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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 3rd, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world covered by this program, all 24-time zones, the program Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell.
		Glad to be here.
		It's going to be a very, very, very interesting night in more ways than one.
		First, I'd like to welcome a brand new affiliate, yes, yet another one, WTKS in Savannah, Georgia.
		That's a good place, Savannah, Georgia.
		1290 on the Nile.
		And I'd like to thank the general manager there, Jerry Stevens, and the P.D. Shea Singleton.
		Great to be on the air in Savannah.
		And I hope you enjoy it when you find out truly how weird it is.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Now, our website is approaching a landmark, I'm sure never in my lifetime, to be repeated figure, of 100 million visitors.
		And it's, you know, the best thing I can do, we're going to give away some prizes, just simple little prizes.
		Let me see here.
		Just let me read you what Keith wrote because he put it so well and it will help you understand what's about to happen.
		Keith wrote, so we're coming up on the 100 millionth visitor to the site.
		Quite an accomplishment for the record.
		The current counter was started at zero in January of 1997.
		While the website did exist before then, I never carried forward the hits from previous incarnations of the site.
		Only when I was able to write an accurate counter, accurate in capital letters, did I keep track of it.
		When Art Bell came out of retirement, I reset the counter back to what it was when he left, thereby removing any hits during the Siegel era.
		a prize has been donated bob cranes the green company has offered a brand new cc radio to the 100 100 millionth visitor.
		So they get a CC radio.
		Another prize has been donated by Mark Easter of Easter Films, who will gladly send a complimentary copy of Roswell, The Naked Truth Revealed, autographed by himself.
		Ramona and myself, I think, are going to add, I should put in here, that we'll send out an autographed KNYE t-shirt.
		We don't ever normally, of course, send those outside of the area for obvious reasons.
		Therefore, people who listen to KNYE in the local area, but we'll make an exception here and send out an autographed, we'll both autograph a t-shirt and send it to the winner too.
		So that's the bones that we are tossing to number 100 million.
		Also, we may actually hide the counter from view on the page when it approaches the 100 million mark so you can't snipe it.
		We want all visitors to have an equal shot at being the winner.
		The website will still count the visit in our log files, but may not display on the site.
		Remember, we did this also with our 66 millionth, 666, 666 count when we froze it but kept track of all the ongoing hints in the background.
		So if you see approaching 100 million on the page, you'll know why.
		It's been up there actually for the last half hour or so, or hour.
		Also keep in mind, if you're sitting there just pressing refresh over and over, you probably will miss the right screen and go right by it.
		Then you'll not get the information to report back to us.
		In other words, the winner is going to get a special screen.
		And you're going to know it's you, but if you're sitting there hitting refresh, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, you might go right by it.
		You might have been the 100 millionth visitor and have gone right by it.
		So it could be missed.
		In fact, if we determine that you were abusing our server by repeatedly attacking our homepage, we will disqualify you.
		We do log all accesses and have already blocked several who have started to cheat.
		So it's okay to come back, obviously, every few minutes or so and check the site, see if you can win.
		That's okay with me.
		But those who jam the F5 key and submit 10 hits per second are not going to win.
		Let's have fun, but not irritate the system administrators.
		Now for some of the rules we need to deal with.
		So that you all know what's going on here, so it's fair.
		Due to the many varied methods of web traffic, proxies, caches, and so forth, we may not have any winner or may have several.
		An automated search engine spider program might be the winner.
		Or if the 100 millionth website page it is cached in a proxy server, many people may see the 100 millionth page.
		In the case of many hits, the first one to follow the instructions and contact us will be the winner.
		In case no real human gets the correct page, I will reset the trigger to look for another specific count and will do so until we get a winner.
		It'll have to be close enough.
		The web is a complicated beast.
		Okay, so that's it.
		If you think any more rules or issues that we have to deal with, I'll add them here.
		Good luck, Keith Webmaster, for the greatest website in radio.
		Well, we are that.
		We certainly are that.
		So I think Keith is going to unleash the counter very shortly here, and we'll just all watch it.
		It's probably going to happen tonight.
		So I'm going to watch the counter myself and see when it begins again.
		And we'll see who wins.
		Remember now, you're going to get a special screen, just the 100 millionth person or the first one to report they've got it with a code word and all kinds of things.
	So don't sit there hitting refresh again and again and again faster than you could stop because you're just, you know, you might blow right by it, and that would be something to blow by.
	So anyway, coming up on 100 million.
	Now, I'm going to do something tonight that I don't frequently do.
	In fact, actually, I've never done it.
	A detective called me, and because I have so many of you who are in trucks out there, truckers, and this is so serious, I am going to read the entire message from this detective.
	Allow me to give you a brief history of what has happened.
	On 210-02, Christopher Fagan, pronounced F-E-G-A-N-Fagan, I guess, violated a temporary protection order stalking his girlfriend.
	The suspect went to her parents' house where she was staying and broke into the house.
	The suspect shot the girl's mother in the shoulder and fought with her stepfather.
	The stepfather died of knife wounds to the neck he received during the fight.
	The mother was tracked down in the house and shot again in the back of the head while she was on the phone with 911 dispatch.
	The suspect fled the area and was last seen in Truckee, California on the 10th.
	The FBI helped secure a small teaser at the beginning of America's Most Wanted, which aired 3902.
	From this five-second teaser, we learned the suspect had traveled to Mobile, Alabama.
	The case probably isn't sexy in quotes enough for much more on the program at this time.
	The suspect has since left Mobile and is suspected of several crimes in that area.
	It is our belief he has traveled to Florida and is blending in with the spring break crowds.
	All of this could no longer be true and it could be somewhere else, of course.
	Going on, I believe the suspect traveled to the southeast via Interstate 10 from California.
	The suspect is believed to have used truckers for transportation.
	Several trucking-related websites have assisted and posted safety notices on their sites.
	Trucking-related radio programs are airing safety information about the suspect.
	They are the ones who suggested contacting you, meaning me, for assistance.
	My request of you is, on your program, will you let the truckers and late-night travelers please know about this suspect?
	He is still armed, considered dangerous.
	The handgun he used to commit the attempted homicide of the girl's mother, yes, she is still alive and doing pretty well, is thought to have been sold or perhaps traded.
	We know he has another handgun that he stole from the subject in Alabama.
	I know about the close relationship you have with the Nye County Sheriff's Office, and I don't wish to impose, I don't want to turn your radio program into a radio version of America's Most Wanted.
	Obviously, this detective wants the word out to you truckers, so I think it's serious enough that I'm doing this.
	I've included the Las Vegas FBI link to the wanted poster for Fagan as well.
	Some additional information, not on the poster.
	Also have included a 24-hour phone number where I may be contacted.
	And I will not give out other numbers that I have here.
	So here we go.
	If you're a trucker, please listen closely.
	The suspect was last seen in Mobile, Alabama, Friday, March 8th.
	Suspect is believed to be hitchhiking.
	May have come from Southern California via Chanda, Alabama.
	Suspect is considered armed and dangerous.
	The suspect is a heavy drinker and gambler.
	He changes his appearance with little trouble.
	The suspect is an avid snowboarder and often speaks of it to date.
	He's used various names, including Jack Johnson, Jack Jackson, Christopher Allen, Alan Fagan, and J.J. Any information, contact the FBI office or a law enforcement agency nearest you.
	So we've got Christopher A. Fagan, age 23, white male American, height 6 feet, weight 180, hair brown, bleached white, but now cut short, and dark brown hair is visible.
	Suspect's hair color changes easily.
	His eyes are blue.
	Suspect killed one.
	Second victim is stable now.
	Suspect is known to have had at least one .357 caliber revolver in his possession.
	The weapon may have been sold or traded, but another weapon is now thought to be in his possession.
	Suspect is an avid snowboarder and has instructed at several local ski areas and talks about snowboarding.
	Obviously, contact local law enforcement or the Douglas County Sheriff's Department.
	Obviously, with as many truckers as listen to this program, I wanted to be Doug.
	I'm sure you heard about this very, very, very dangerous situation for you out there on the road.
	We'll be right back.
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		If this was up to you, would you go back to the moon or would you go straight to Mars?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not even the question I would ask.
unidentified		There could be scientific reasons to go to one destination, geopolitical reasons to go to another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There could be tourist business reasons to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you want to mine an asteroid.
unidentified		And so then when you reach that state, then the solar system becomes your backyard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now you have the freedom to go where you want.
unidentified		That's what a space-faring nation needs to do.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of April 3rd, 2002 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming up in the next hour.
		Oh, I just hit the website.
		Here we go.
		Let's see.
		Where are we?
		All right, the numbers are up.
		We're at 99,990,103 as I just hit it.
		So we are, what, a little less than 10,000 hits away from the 100 million mark.
		Whoever you are, the very first person who can get to Keith Rowland, I would keep it on your screen.
		By the way, if you get the magic screen, I would keep it on there, if I were you.
		And of course, barring that, I think there's a way you can hit print.
		You can print your screen.
		That would be ideal.
		Or go get a camera and take a picture of your screen.
		The first person to get that magic screen and contact Keith Rowan by email is going to be the winner.
		And so I suppose sometime tonight we might know who the winner is.
		I don't know.
unidentified		Let me hit refresh myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And oh my, 5,000 away.
		So it's at 99,995,487.
		You can tell that it's really in there pumping.
		We had 5,000 hits.
		We're only counting, and by the way, to give you an idea of the magnitude of hitting 100 million, take into account what Keith had to say about what he actually removed during the period of time I was gone.
		And keep in mind the fact that we only count main page hits.
		We're not counting pits to hits to auxiliary pages, but main page hits only.
		So these numbers really are astronomical.
		100 million is astronomical.
		Let me see.
		It's going berserk up there right now, and I'm having a hard time getting a return from the main page myself.
		So many people are hitting it.
		In fact, now, wouldn't that be a kick if we, oh, here it comes.
		I was going to say if we totally clobber the server just before we get to 100 million, that would be something.
		It still has not completely reloaded.
		It's being hit so hard.
		Hear me out there.
		If you sit there hitting reload, reload, reload, you're going to miss it.
		Then you've got a high chance of really missing it altogether.
		I mean, you'll see a flash of the magic screen and it'll be gone.
		You will have missed it.
		I can't even get the page to reload right now.
		Maybe we'll die before we get to 100 million.
		The servers will go because I can't get it to reload right now.
		That's how many people are hitting it.
		And of course, it was 5,000 in about two minutes.
		And I've got real fast internet here, so it's the server that's having a hard time coming back.
		Oh, my.
		Well, let me see.
		Can I even get it to reload?
		My God, there must be a lot of people hitting that server.
		So even our bandwidth is 100 gig.
		I mean, we've got more bandwidth than nearly any other site you can imagine.
		We've just got a gigantic pipeline, but obviously it has stopped.
		So we're going to all just have to watch it very carefully.
		Well, let's see.
		The real scary news.
		Oh, we've got a scary program coming up tonight.
		The GIS people are here, and you know what they do, right?
		They record the voices of the dead.
		And these are the voices of the dead.
		It is an eerie, weird, bizarre show to listen to.
		But this organization, which is beyond reproach, you know, they don't accept money.
		They're not selling anything.
		They go into graveyards and, you know, into all kinds of interesting places.
		And they take these tape recorders with brand new tapes.
		I mean, there's a certain set of rules to what they do.
		And they record the voices of the dead.
		EVP is a well-known phenomenon.
		It's been around for probably as many years as I have.
		There were researchers before these researchers.
		But these researchers are very, very serious about what they do.
		And what you will hear is chilling, interesting.
		It's kind of almost an extension of what we're doing this week in a way.
		And, you know, Friday night, this Friday, I'm going to do a Ghost to Ghost AM show.
		I decided Ghost to Ghost is going to be this Friday.
		What is today anyway?
		Wednesday, right?
		Thursday in some places.
		And so we're going to do Ghost to Ghost.
		And it's a very serious ghost show we do.
		And I think it's probably appropriate that we do it with the news of the week and the way the week has gone so far.
		What an absolutely fascinating program, both Monday night and Tuesday night as well.
		Schwartz, you know, when you add up, when you add up what Dr. Schwartz said last night, if you really listened, really has to affect your thinking about the fact that there are ghosts, that all of this is not tomfoolery, that it's absolutely, totally, completely real.
	And the reason it's real is because there is life after death.
	There absolutely is life after death.
	You know, I think last night show nailed that one to the wall.
	Well, I still can't get into the page.
unidentified		And so a network error occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A network error.
		Well, let me try it from scratch here and see what happens.
		We may have blown up the servers.
		If we did before, just before $100 million, I think that's a riot.
		Obviously, at some point, we'll get them back up and going.
		But near as I can tell, it's deader than a door right now.
		It just figures this would happen, huh?
		It's the law of unintended consequences.
		You remember we did that show about unintended consequences?
		The show which blew itself off the air?
		Well, you know, when you're doing something like this, you get, obviously, unintended consequences.
		I can't say.
unidentified		Hahahaha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		all right sometime during the program tonight somebody will go put the parts back together at the server location wherever that is and get back up on the web yep a network error occurred that's the message i'm getting so at this point uh unless it happened and it could have happened you know uh before it went belly up although i don't think it did so i was looking for the 5,000
art bell ▲ ● ▼		mark as I just re-clicked then well so who knows anyway that's story folks we broke our own servers in an attempt to get to 100 million we'll get there sometime tonight make no mistake about that from the high desert I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM We'll build over 100 million as soon as we get it fixed.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 3rd, 2002.
		Come walk me, run it down the dead way Jenny will see the smile for the people she meets.
		on trouble Music through the blue.
		I know when it gets to you.
		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 3rd, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
		Those of you who join at this hour, anything is possible tonight, anything at all.
		Who knows?
		But then again, that's kind of the way I like it.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of April 3rd, 2002 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, everybody, we've got a winner.
		We have a winner, I believe, and I've got the winner on the phone.
		He is, give us your name.
unidentified		Mark Zeewi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mark Zeewee, right?
		Yes.
		Z-E-W-E?
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mark, you really did it?
unidentified		I have it up here on the screen in front of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
		I do.
		And so what is it you have on the screen in front of you?
unidentified		I have a screen and it has, it says Art Bell, 100 million web visitors.
unidentified		It has a bunch of stars, your pictures in the background.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm nervous.
unidentified		First radio show, number one radio show, and Starman down in the corner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, I haven't seen that screen.
unidentified		I'm going to email it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then it has L-U-R.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has a secret word on it.
unidentified		Well, no, that was on a prior screen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was on a prior screen.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And you want me to tell you what the secret word was?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Well, yeah, I'll go ahead.
		What the hell?
unidentified		It's your favorite song, Phaedra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Phaedra.
		Uh-huh.
		What an interesting secret word.
		Phaedra was a very, very unlucky Greek goddess, you know.
unidentified		I like this song.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Mark?
unidentified		I'm in Madera, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Madera, California.
unidentified		About 20 miles north of Fresno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now, how were you trying to be the winner?
		I mean, as it got down there, I couldn't even get in anymore.
		And then the next thing I looked, we were 8,000 over 100 million.
		Now we're 16,000 and counting over 100 million.
		How in heaven's name, what were you doing?
unidentified		I was just, I was surprised, playing around, and I went up there because I listened to your radio at night, and I heard you talking about it.
		I heard you said it was like up high, real high.
		So I just went over there and I clicked on and I had to refresh a couple times and next thing I knew I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you made that.
unidentified		I feel like Willie Wonka.
unidentified		I've got the golden ticket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you just refreshed a couple of times?
unidentified		Yeah, probably about four or five times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because, you know, there were people up there attacking it like crazy.
unidentified		Well, I see that.
unidentified		Every time I refreshed, it was so much more up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll be damned.
		Congratulations to you, the name Fader.
		You get a free CC radio coming your way.
		You get, let's see, a complimentary copy of Roswell, The Naked Truth Revealed, autographed by Mark Easter, actually, of Easter Films.
		And we're going to send you a KNY t-shirt autographed by myself and Ramona and who knows what all.
unidentified		Fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All I can say is, hey, brother, congratulations.
unidentified		I can't believe it's 100 million.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Visitor.
		That's kind of like hitting the lottery.
		Yeah, I think so.
		Was anybody there with you?
unidentified		No, I have a couple family members here, but a couple of them are in bed already.
unidentified		They don't care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when you hit it, what did you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scream?
unidentified		Yeah, I did it.
		I said, I did it.
		I did it.
		I believe it.
		My brother-in-law was going to bed, and I said, wait, wait, you've got to see that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, congratulations, Mark.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		I enjoy your show, Arthur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's truly a...
unidentified		I believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So congratulations to you.
unidentified		You bet.
		I'm a graphic designer, so I did this JPEG for you.
		I'll send it off to Keith right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're actually sending the screen.
unidentified		I actually took a digital photo, took a shot of my computer, so all the clutter, and you'll see on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way to go.
unidentified		Yeah, you'll love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way to go, Mark.
		So that'll be on the way.
		How soon?
unidentified		To the hang-up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then we will look for that to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keith will look for that to arrive, and the minute it gets here, we'll put it up so everybody can see it.
unidentified		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What the winner saw.
unidentified		Well, first it was the black screen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I understand.
unidentified		With all the codes, and Mali's got this really cool screen up here.
unidentified		Got me worried because I thought you said several people could have had this, so I was rushing to get it in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, congratulations.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		God bless.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's Mark Ziwi of Madeira, California, the 100 millionth visitor.
		So when he gets his screen up there, we'll put it up for you.
		That's really pretty cool.
		100 million hits.
		100 million hits.
		Okay, news of the day, such as it is, Israeli texts rolling all over the West Bank.
		They're in Nablus now, as a matter of fact.
		In fact, they were at the point where Jesus was born.
		I was there.
		And as you stand there and you look across the street, there's a big picture of Yasser Arafat graffitied upon the wall on the other side in Bethlehem.
		And so all of that's kind of hard to imagine.
		And where this is headed, I don't know.
		I really don't know.
		This could be headed to a full-fledged war.
		Or Israel could continue to act for the next week or two.
		Behind the scenes, it may well be that George Bush has told the Israelis, look, go clean up what you can clean up in a week or two, and then this has to stop.
		I don't know.
		This is the way things get out of hand.
		Now, I would think that would be the private arrangement, probably.
		In other words, what's Bush to do?
		He's looking at these suicide bombers, and he's probably telling Israel, look, we understand your right to self-defense.
		Go clean them out as best you can, but this can't be allowed to become World War III.
		I think that's kind of how you'd put it, don't you?
		Each side, of course, accusing the other of blocking the way to peace.
		And Israel saying it will not stop moving until the suicide bombings are halted.
		Getting worse.
		So, oh, listen, one of the 300 prisoners the U.S. military is holding in Cuba is now saying that he was born in Louisiana to Saudi parents.
		And he's an American.
		The claim, should it be true, could lead to his transfer to the detention center at a Navy base.
		That would make a whole different deal if he's a U.S. citizen.
		So that's kind of what's going on.
		You know, the market down again, down close.
		Oh, my God, 115 points down to 10,180, 198.
		NASDAQ down 20.
		There are comets coming.
		On March 18th, just as newly found comet Ikiwazung was making its closest approach to the sun and wowing observers around the northern hemisphere, I don't know if you've seen the photos yet, yet another Japanese observer discovered yet another new comet.
		The second comet has an outside chance of also becoming visible to the unaided eye sometime later this month.
		The International Astronomical Union reported on March 20th the discovery of a comet in Twilight.
		This Japanese man made his findings using a 25 by 150 binocular.
		Initially, it described the comet as a 10th magnitude glow in the constellation Pegasus.
		Several days later, a preliminary orbit for the newly named comet indicated that it would reach its closest approach to the sun on April 23rd.
		So the comets, boss, the comets, they coming.
		Yet another comet on the way.
		A lot of people see a lot of things in times when you get a lot of comets.
		Comets portend interesting change.
		I've got so much, obviously, because of what we did tonight.
		Didn't have time to properly lay out the first hour.
		I thought I'd read this to you, though.
		Interesting, dear art, short.
		It's good and short.
		I haven't yet heard you mention this, but did you know that on Paul Harvey's Saturday broadcast, he reported the discovery of warps in space and another dimension.
		Same things we've heard about on your show for years now.
		He said that within three years, and he repeated three years, we would all be forced to change our ideas about space and the way it works.
		I was rather astounded to hear this from such a mainstream journalist and such a respected one at that, Bev and Eugene.
		Thanks, Bev.
		Yes, well, through the years, the listeners who have been listeners to this program for a decade or better know that that has been consistently true throughout my tenure.
		That what you have heard here, many times sounding wacky and very much like science fiction at the time you hear it, later proves to be absolutely true.
		And I could count, oh my, I could count many, many things in the area of the paranormal that all of a sudden, or even during my tenure, and that's a short one relatively, relative to everything else, right?
		A decade, 15 years, whatever, that's not long.
		Maybe a decade of doing this kind of show.
		In that period of time, how many things have become reality that were virtually just science fiction prior to that?
		Amazing.
		It is indeed quickening out there, folks.
		All right, let's take a couple of calls.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening to you, sir.
		Where are you?
		Montana.
		Montana.
		Okay, Ralph.
unidentified		I wanted to do a follow-up call.
unidentified		You had a gentleman on last fall that was talking about digging up a cave in Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I wonder if you could provide a little follow-up information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, right this second, I can't.
		I don't know what the current status is, What else they've dug up, whether they've been back there or anything else.
		So I would have to go back, and I will do so to one of the parties.
		You know, there's a lot of fighting going on about that.
		A lot of researchers, sir, you may or may not know this, and if you don't, then let everybody know at the same time.
		A lot of researchers on those caves, those Illinois caves, they're fighting like dogs.
		I mean, they're fighting like dogs.
		They're all making claims and calling each other names.
		And, you know, I guess it's all, I don't know what it's all over.
		I guess credit, you know, for the find beats me, but they're all going after each other tooth and nail.
unidentified		So as far as you know, he hasn't actually gone below ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is, I don't know what status is.
		Okay, well, I'll find out.
		Appreciate it.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're very welcome.
		Take care.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
		Extinguish your radio and proceed.
unidentified		I already got it off, Art.
		All right.
		See, Art, first time calling line, obviously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		St. Cloud, Minnesota.
unidentified		Thank you, Patrick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to have you, Patrick.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Well, I've been listening to you since 1999 before the whole Y2K thing, and I've been hooked ever since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I never thought I'd be this nervous, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, it's not bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It takes you a few minutes, and then it's just like a phone call, you know.
unidentified		Yeah, the heart rate's already slowing down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good.
unidentified		Anyways, I called about that fish that you got up on your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, he put it up calling it funny fish, and I guess that's what the person in the email called it.
		But there's nothing very funny about it in a lot of ways.
		It's kind of sick.
		I mean, it's like one head and two bodies.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a mutation of a northern pike.
unidentified		I live right on the Mississippi River, been fishing it ever since I've been ten years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, if I caught something like that, I'd probably throw my whole rod and reel back in the water.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Well, you know, there's plenty of those in the river.
		Most people get mad all the time.
		We just chuck them right in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
		Well, it wouldn't be out of anger.
		I mean, let's say you caught what you're looking at there.
unidentified		Sure.
		Would you eat that?
		No, I wouldn't eat that.
		I'll actually mount that one.
		I wouldn't eat it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, mount it.
		That's right.
		There you go.
		Mount it, I suppose.
unidentified		I've been eating the fish out of the river for a number of years.
		You know, this far north, there's not a lot of pollution in the Mississippi River because St. Cloud's pretty much central Minnesota.
		North Central.
		But there is a lot of, oh, what are they saying is in the river nowadays?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, now?
unidentified		Ladies' birth control pills.
unidentified		These ladies, they, you know, they ingest them and they urinate or whatever, and those chemicals are going into the river and mutating the male fish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think that's what's happening?
		You know, looking at this fish.
		It's one head and it's two fish bodies, but it's got two fins.
		Now, I wonder if a fish, you know, like a boat with two propellers, would be going faster.
unidentified		You know, that's what I thought, too.
		I mean, are both these bodies swimming in the same direction?
		You know, that's what I was thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		much in fact it's it's it's a fairly even split there so you would think that anything motion would drive the fish forward uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		more or less straight ahead and maybe a at more of it so Fast fish.
unidentified		Well, northerners do grow quick.
		Started with the frogs.
		Now I guess it's going to start with the fish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well.
unidentified		Well, I haven't seen a mutated frog in quite some time now, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		So that is a good sign.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, I appreciate your call, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, well, hey, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
		Hit $100 million tonight.
		$100 million, folks.
		Man, that's a big number.
		$100 million.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Art.
		Yes.
		My radio is now pre-extinguished.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pre-extinguished.
unidentified		How are you this evening?
unidentified		This is Al from Chatsworth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Al.
unidentified		And I hit $4,706 over $100 million.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do I get?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not a damn thing, Al.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'm just kidding.
unidentified		The main reason, first of all, congratulations to the person who won.
unidentified		At least he's in the same state as me, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's pretty cool.
		And we're all going to get, what's going to be fun is we're all going to get to see the screen that he saw.
		Great.
unidentified		Question I have, not only, I'm a resident of Southern California, but I'm also a property owner out in Logandale, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		That's over probably the mountain range from you.
		Right.
		Question I have is, eventually I want to retire out there.
		And I was wondering on these lonely, clear nights what I'm able to maybe see out there.
		I know you've seen some interesting things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was wondering, you know, in what categories?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anything of the unusual, for example.
unidentified		You know, I'm sure you've seen, you know, lights that are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is a straight out yes.
		All right?
		No question about it.
		Number one, I don't know you could cover any category.
		Number one, our skies here are so gigantic, so big, so clear with such low humidity that on a summer night, you have never in your life.
		If you're from a city, you make it out here and see it sometime.
		It is the most breathtaking.
		I mean, from one horizon to the other goes the Milky Way.
		And the stars are so deep, it's like you're in a new universe.
		It's an incredible place, the high desert.
unidentified		Now, how far am I, to give me like a rough estimate from like area 51?
		I know you're real close.
		Am I in Logondale, Overton?
		I'm near Lake Mead.
		Is that East or West?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're pretty close.
		I've been up in the Overton area.
		We spent a couple nights in Overton, so that's coming up.
		You're up in Las Vegas.
		And to answer the second part of your question, you're close enough.
		Let's put it that way.
		To answer the second part of your question, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have seen many interesting, unidentified, intriguing, and occasionally scary things in the sky here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's what you have to look forward to.
unidentified		Well, like I said, I visit there at least about three, four times your average renter out there right now.
unidentified		And I'm a free and clear property owner, which I'm pretty happy of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can still get property here at a reasonable rate.
unidentified		And Nevada is a great state with no income tax, and I already like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's a win-win.
		You're dead right about all of that.
		Thank you very, very much.
		As a matter of fact, a little town I live that is a burgeoning town, Perromp, Nevada, is a stupendous place to live in so many different ways.
		It's impossible to describe it.
		And, you know, it's not for everybody.
		I understand a lot of people are city dwellers, and I'm speaking to many city dwellers right now.
		And a lot of city dwellers, when they come out here, they go, oh, God, what's this?
		I'm not comfortable with this.
		This is, where is everything?
		Where are the trees?
		Where is everything?
		I just, I can't handle this.
		Too much openness.
		Well, people from this area, from the high desert, have exactly the opposite reaction when they go into the city.
		They feel extremely claustrophobic, all closed in, and you just can't see any kind of horizon.
		And this town from Nevada, once not long ago, was voted as having the best sunrises and sunsets in the country.
		We have spectacular sunsets here.
		Just incredible sunsets here.
		And it's just a very different kind of place.
		So that's what you have to look forward to.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		My name is Chris.
unidentified		Just wanted to say thanks for the clip on the website of the high dive event at Cabol.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the high dive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, I remember that.
unidentified		I'm in the United States Air Force Reserve, the 934th Security Forces Squadron.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I am sitting out on the ramp listening to your program right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the ramp?
		Yes, sir.
		What kind of work do you do, actually?
unidentified		It's security police.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're security police, okay.
unidentified		Yes, I'm a cop in the Air Force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you going to follow that career when you get out?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		I got a tantalizing job offer with a telecommunications company and I think I might pursue that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The pay is a little better.
unidentified		That and getting shot isn't an option there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Getting it probably won't get shot that way.
		I can hear the radio going in the background, which I just covered up.
		Well, listen, it's great to have you on board.
		I, too, was Air Force.
unidentified		And the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How happy are you in the military right now?
unidentified		Well, I'd be a whole lot happier if we got deployed somewhere right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you've been in how long?
unidentified		I've got about eight years now.
unidentified		I came over from the Army about two years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got eight years in?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to jump?
unidentified		No, I came over from the Army.
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you're going to jump out before 20?
unidentified		Oh, no, no, no.
unidentified		I'll stay in the reserves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, listen, thank you for your call.
		We've got a break.
		We've got the end of the hour here.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		$100 million.
unidentified		$100 million.
		You're listening to Ark Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 3rd, 2002.
		Music That I couldn't find a way.
		So I'll double off my day for the day.
		Humiliation.
		When your ball hits the ball.
		I'm falling down the spiral.
		Let's measure alone.
		Double class messenger, all alone.
		Can't get no connection.
		Can't get through.
		Where are you?
		Well, the next with heavy honest guilt and mind heads off from the borderline.
		He knows damn well he has been cheated.
		How you live?
		How am I turning to the twilight zone?
		That it's in the house who beat my feet gone.
		My feet are getting moved on the moon and stars.
		Where am I going?
		I'll never go on the far.
		You will come and go.
		When I'm born and born.
		Where am I going?
		When I'm born and born.
		Here, Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired April 3rd, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, congratulations to our 100 millionth visitor, Mark Ziwi of Madera, California.
		And we're going to have the evidence of the screenshot up there shortly, who was the exact 100 millionth visitor to the site, by the way.
		We're now 35,000 over that mark.
		That was absolutely wild.
		We even know who the 1 millionth and 1 visitor was.
		It's Dave from Des Moines, Arla.
		and I won't identify him any further than that, but we do know who the next one was.
		But the lucky one who got the codename Kate.
		You see, I didn't make that up.
		I didn't know what the code name was.
		Keith came up with it.
		The code name was Phaedra.
		Phaedra, that very unlucky Greek goddess, but very, very lucky for Martiwi.
		That's incredible.
		All right, we are about to enter, in more ways than one, a very, really different world.
		The world of electronic voice phenomena.
		Now, electronic voice phenomena has been around, well, held, basically, since Edison, I guess.
		I think there was rumors of that.
		Anyway, I'm having on the Ghost Investigators Society, Brennan Cook, Barbara Macbeth, represent the society here on the air.
		There are two or five members at our GIS.
		Society is a non-profit.
		They don't sell anything.
		The GIS members have spent thousands of hours and dollars dedicated to researching the ghost phenomena.
		They realize EVP is one of the most controversial aspects of ghost research and that there are many speculations and theories about the spectral voices that have been recorded on audio and videotape.
		The GIS members believe the voices they have recorded are the voices of the dead.
		Most of the time, these voices interact and respond to the members that record them.
		In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs presented will help demonstrate that the consciousness that we all have does survive after the body dies and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life death and ghosts indeed we've been getting that perspective this week and I will continue the tradition this Friday we will do a full pledged ghost to ghost program
		That means ghost stories from all of you.
		And as I told my guest last night, they aren't real hard to get.
		Now, of course, you've got to go for the good ones, and so I'm going to be going for the very best ghost stories.
		It's one of those times when I actually do to some degree personally screen calls.
		Because we want the very best.
		There are so many out there.
		I think for me, as I mentioned to my guest last night, the threshold regarding the existence or the continuance of consciousness, for me, has been passed.
		And so then what you're obviously about to hear tonight is, if you've been tracking with me, unnerving, scary.
unidentified		Why hopeful?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because you're going to continue.
		If you believe what you hear, you will continue.
		So in a sense, it's hopeful, depending on your attitude about continuing.
		I don't know how you feel about that.
		There are people out there who just hope for nothing more than the great eternal blackness, the eternal slice of death.
		But it doesn't look like that's what it's all about.
		So this is what we're going to be talking about tonight.
		What you're going to hear is going to be a little frightening.
		At one point, there's going to be some pretty bad language used.
		And so I'll caution any of you.
		You know, we're on at the hour where we can let this go in context, and it certainly is context.
		The EVP, in this case, utters a four-letter word, and I'm going to let it go.
		So if you have children around, you might want to get them out of the room.
		That will be later in the show anyway, and it will be in the middle of the night in almost every area of the country.
		And we've done that.
		We've asked about it, you know, frequently before, and this language is used apparently on the other side.
		So it's fascinating.
		Coming right up, if you will just simply not move, what you might want to do, turn the lights down a little bit, turn the lights down low, turn the radio up a little bit, because what you're about to hear is going to astound you.
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		I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek the other way just to let it happen.
		I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with Al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
		This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
		There was a much bigger picture there.
		And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go into Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped because it's going to continue.
		We're going to have more and more episodes and more and more involvement in other countries.
		And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
		And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
		Now we take you back to the night of April 3rd, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me quickly do a reload myself and check.
		We're going to get the screen of the winner up there.
		Now we don't have it yet.
		Probably in the next half hour we'll have the screen up that the winner saw.
		A lot of people are seeing the screen we've got up there.
		It says Art Bell, 100 million web visitors.
		That's not it.
		There was a special screen that this one single person got to see.
		Actually, I guess a couple.
		But the first one was our winner, Mark Zeewee.
		And he's taking a photograph of the screen that came up.
		And so we'll have that up there for you to see so you can see what he saw shortly.
		In the meantime, I suggest you brace yourself.
		Because here come two people that, you know, I wonder why they do what they do, frankly.
		I have no idea what they do and why they do this.
		I wouldn't go into a graveyard in the middle of the night.
		But they do.
		Here they are.
		Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth.
		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Nice to be back on your show.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nice to have you.
		How long has the Ghost Investigators Society been an official organization?
		Or unofficial, whatever.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've probably been all together now for about, I'd say, four years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four years.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you, by any chance, get an opportunity to listen to the program last night?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I was able to catch some of it tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you caught some of it.
		All right.
		I thought my guest last night, beyond just any reasonable doubt whatsoever, proved the continued existence of consciousness.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		My kind of person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, he did blind, double blind studies.
		And, I mean, it seemed irrefutable what he did.
		It just absolutely seemed irrefutable.
		I'm sure, like him, I will back away from it and start to doubt again.
		But I'm suddenly over this threshold where I think I'm becoming really convinced that we do continue.
		So, tonight's program sort of fits, you know, right into that.
		Yeah.
		apparently seemingly have evidence of voices from the other side let's tell everybody because I know there's going to be a few new people out there how EVP they give me what history you can of EVP and tell me technically how it is gathered, please.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, to start off, EVP stands for Electronic Voice Phenomena.
		It has literally been around since Edison, as you mentioned before.
		He was actually working on a machine that he was hoping would contact the dead, almost in the same way our tape recorders are doing it now.
		Unfortunately, he did die before that, and nobody has any blueprints to the machine that he was working on.
		Since then, there's been Radave was one of the most well-known people that's studied it.
		He wrote a book called Breakthrough that I've heard it's just amazing.
		He claimed that he would get his friends' voices that passed on.
		He'd get literally hundreds of voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any record of how these people were affected by what they heard?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if they began to actually believe that they were hearing from the other side, maybe there wouldn't be any record of that, of how it hit them.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe Radove acknowledged that these were voices of the dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		What did he think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I know that he thought that it was a phenomena, but he never publicly, if I recall correctly, he did not ever publicly acknowledge that they were voices of the dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's for a second explore the thought that, okay, look, I believe it's a real phenomena.
		There is absolutely no question about it.
		I also now believe that consciousness continues, so that adds to the equation a little bit.
		But what are the other possibilities?
		If these are not voices of the dead, then what are they?
		What could they be?
		What are the other options, if there are any?
unidentified		You know, we've heard, I mean, countless numbers of suggestions as to what we're recording, from cell phone transmissions to CB radios to pre-recorded tapes that we're recording over, which, as we mentioned on every show we've done with you, that's our number one thing that we do not do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like the number one rule, yeah.
unidentified		Yes, we never ever use a pre-recorded tape.
		It's always a brand new tape.
		And as for CB radio transmission, cell phone transmissions, a lot of the voices we get have some kind of information to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're not CB.
		Look, I know what CB sounds like, and I know what an AM CB signal or even a sideband signal would sound like.
		Believe me, it's not CB.
		So what else?
		Cell phones, cell phones?
		No.
		No on cell phones.
		I don't think so.
		There are analog cell phones, more digital now than analog.
		And so you would get a mix of all kinds of things, but you certainly wouldn't get interaction.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And most of the EVPs, some of them are just as clear and louder than we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's another good point.
		Now, this is always done with a recorder.
		What kind of recorder do you use?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We use the Iowa microcassette tape recorder with an external mic.
		We clip on to either our shoulder or the back of our neck.
		Or if somebody's wearing a hat, they'll clip it at the back of their hat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so everybody knows, you never use anything but brand new, unwrap the cellophane from a type brand new tapes, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		In fact, we've gotten to the point where we buy each other tapes for birthdays or Christmas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since you don't sell anything, and since you have never asked the audience for anything, you haven't written books, you haven't, there's no enumeration.
		In fact, it costs you money to do all of this.
		Of course, that adds incredibly, from my point of view and many others, to your credibility.
		But I guess costing you money and costing you time, everybody would like to know, why the heck do you do this?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, for me personally, I hope to be able to go to areas.
		I would love the opportunity to go to places that are known to be extremely haunted.
		I don't know if I'll ever be able to afford to do it, but that's my dream, to conduct investigations at places.
		I'd love to see the GIS get to areas that we...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, just basically, why do you do the whole doggone thing?
		It costs you money.
		It costs you time.
		You haven't reaped any great rewards from this.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's an exciting thing.
		It's a new experience every time.
		And it's almost like a personal reward to me, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are graveyards better places to go?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe that any place that's associated with the dead has activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But for some reason, my concept of consciousness surviving physical death is, you know, the physical body rots away, worms crawl in, worms crawl out, and the consciousness, as was explained by my distinguished guest last night, continues in a stream just as surely as the light from the stars that we see continues in a stream.
		An elegant explanation of how it all occurs, I thought.
		And interaction back this way, yes indeed, he said, certainly would be possible for an organized system.
		It was quite elegant what he had to say about all of this last night.
		Quite convincing.
		But somehow, you two, it's worried me a lot that these dead entities, consciousnesses, whatever you want to call them, will associate with their old rotting Or perhaps even a burned physical body.
		That part I don't like.
unidentified		There are some religions, Art, and we've brought this up before.
		They believe that once you die for a certain period of time, you stay by your body.
		They believe that the body might be resurrected, and they're supposed to stay by their body until that happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which religions would those be?
unidentified		You know, off the top of my head, I really don't know the names of the religions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not mine.
unidentified		No, actually, Jehovah's Witness believes that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jehovah's Witness, okay.
		Boy, do they really?
		that you remain by your body for a period of time until you note that nothing is going to happen or are you required to remain there for some sort of purgatory period of time?
unidentified		Yeah, I really...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just don't want to be in a position where I'm by my physical body or even the ashes.
		I want to be gone into the great hereafter.
		But what you do would seem to argue with that to some fair degree.
		In other words, maybe you're proving what the Jehovah's Witnesses are saying.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Another point, too, that's been brought up to us is this area of land where we get these voices, it might not have anything to do with the cemetery, although I personally don't believe that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But it could have been something that took place 100 or 200 years ago on that property.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could have been, but you just said it yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't believe that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't personally believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you keep going back to graveyards.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, where we know that there is activity that has been reported at them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I take it that you two have been in enough diverse locations to know that graveyards, as a general rule, just as a general rule, are better places to capture more EVP, yes?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, just because the accessibility to them.
		That's probably one of our biggest obstacles is gaining access to locations and being able to conduct an investigation and use all of our equipment gaining access to a place that has reported haunting activities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I want to talk to you about something tonight that you and I have talked about before, and somebody's going to provide this for you, but it would be possible to build a recorder just like the one you have, except modify it so that it would have a record head,
		and then there would be a period of tape that would go through some mechanism, and it would have a playback head, so that you could actually listen in a set of headphones, and a few seconds after a ghost would say something, you would hear it.
		Now, as it is now, you have to go home and sort of listen for hours and hours and decipher these EVPs and hear what was said and sort of bring it to us on the show, as we're going to hear in a few minutes tonight.
		But if you had this special mechanism, this special tape recorder, it would be perhaps possible to have an ongoing conversation with a spirit.
		Has that sunk in yet?
unidentified		We are looking into having one built right now.
		We're looking at a couple people and just seeing what it'll cost us to have it done.
		I mean, obviously, we can't build it ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Right.
		But there are a lot of people out there who have this kind of technology and are just absolute wizzes.
		So if somebody does this for you, you would be willing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've had some people offer, you know, to do that.
		The thing that makes us leery is what do they want from us?
		Are they going to be expecting something from us?
		Are we going to be obligated to them in some way?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
		I understand that.
		And I hope that you can come up with the right combination because you do understand the promise of a device of that sort with what you're doing, right?
unidentified		Oh, yes, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		When we come back from the break, everybody, we're going to begin giving you some of the latest EVP, and it's really good stuff tonight.
		Some of it pretty freaky to be sure that we've got.
		Brendan Cook, Barbara Macbeth.
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		the dead I know to have Nothing but the dead I know to have little head in my little town.
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		I was just my father's son.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, good morning, everybody.
		All right, we've done it.
		We've got it up on the website now.
		This is such a cool way to have gotten our winner.
		Mike Zeewi of Madeira, California was the 100 millionth visitor to our website, and we now have the proof.
		So if you want to go to my website, nowartbell.com, let's see.
		The first under What's New, it says 100 millionth visitor winner.
		Click on that, and when you do, you will see a list of the prizes that he gets.
		And then if you go on down, you will see here are two screen displays.
		One shows the 100 millionth counter, and the second shows, in other words, actually, he took us, oh, that's cool.
		He took a picture, a digital picture of his screen.
		And you can see it says 100 million even.
		That is so cool.
		And he sent us the picture of the 100 millionth screen itself.
		And then below it, there was a special pop-up screen.
		And it's hard to read.
		It says 100 millionth.
		No.
		What does it say?
		Well, if you want to know, you can see the actual picture of the pop-up screen.
		And then the actual, if you click on the point where it says, let's see, what does it say?
		It says, here is the actual pop-up page that came up.
		And it says 100 million.
		You are the 100 millionth visitor to the Art Bell website.
		For verification purposes, you need to email webmaster at artbell.com with the following information.
		The date and time that you hit the site and got this message.
		Your ISP and your IP number, if you know it.
		The secret password of Phaedra.
		That's P-H-A-E-D-R-A.
		And then contact information address and phone number.
		You may want to print this screen, and then you can click on this link to close the window.
		That's what the special pop-up screen said.
		And he's got pictures of both the actual screen with $100 million on it and the pop-up screen.
		And then you can read below that what the pop-up screen actually says, because it's a little difficult to read having taken a digital photograph of it.
		But our winner, Mike Zeewee, provided all the proof in the world, and we've got it up on the website right now.
		He was indeed, is indeed, forevermore, the 100 millionth visitor to the website.
		Incredible.
		will be right back and we're about to enter a different world uh...
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coast to Coast AM Well, all right, here we go, and I urge you now to sort of strap yourself in because what you're going to hear is going to be perhaps disturbing.
		Maybe you will laugh at it, and maybe it'll be a nervous laugh.
		Maybe you will contemplate what you're going to hear.
		Maybe you won't be sure of what you're going to hear.
		We're only sure of the strict method used in gathering what you're going to hear.
		Could it be something other than the voices of the dead?
		It's possible, but I don't think it's very likely.
		Once again, Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
		Welcome back.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let us begin.
		Number one, where, it's always important, I think, to know where these, and under what conditions these were recorded.
		So the first one tonight, what have we got here?
unidentified		All right.
		This first voice was recorded at a private residence.
		The lady had contacted us and asked if we would come investigate her house for her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Well, she had been experiencing children.
		And you'll hear, we're playing a couple clips on the show tonight from her house, and she kind of describes some of the things that have happened to her.
		This clip, you'll hear her say, I had a friend who came in here and said she saw a dog in here.
		Of course, there was no dog there.
		As I said before, she has seen children in there.
		The children, she claimed, would wake her up.
		She also believed there was a ghost of a cat there.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, I thought she had a cat the first time we arrived because when she opened the door to let us in, I heard a cat meow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And I just assumed that she had a cat, and we had been there for quite a while before I learned that she didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, she says that, and then what about the EVP?
unidentified		All right.
		You'll hear in this clip, you'll hear her say, I had a friend who came in here and said she saw a dog in here.
		And then you'll hear a kid that says, good idea.
		It sounds to us like he says, good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that's what a kid would say about a dog or a cat, right?
		Good idea.
		So let's see if we hear that.
		All right, here it comes.
unidentified		I had a friend who came in here one time and said she saw a dog in here.
		Who's that?
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that was pretty hard to hear.
unidentified		Let's try it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I heard it very often.
		All right, I'm going to do this one more time.
		There were four repeats of the good Idea and that was clearly a child's voice.
		So the lady of the house, and then you're going to hear the good idea.
		Wait a minute, wait a minute.
unidentified		A friend came in here one time and said she saw a dad in here.
unidentified		Who's my dad?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you guys fooled me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did four.
unidentified		Yes, we've had some people ask if we can do it four times.
unidentified		They say that three isn't enough to actually hear it clearly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that was clearly a child's voice.
		A child's voice.
		A small child.
		Did she have any small children in the house at the time?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, we never will do investigations with the children in the house because they become afraid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, just hearing what you're doing, I suppose, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We always ask them to have the children at grandma's or at a friend's so that they're not there at the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this next one looks awfully interesting.
		It really does.
		All it says is EVP non-English.
		Now, I've had a million questions about that.
		You know, people have said, why wouldn't we get other languages?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I assume you're including this to show that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		We really don't know what language this is.
		It almost sounds like it could be Hebrew or Arabic.
		I mean, I have no clue what it's saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where were you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We were sitting in our car in our cemetery recording, and you'll hear me say, and just sitting there having to key, and then this voice breaks in, but I can't tell you what it says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what do you mean?
		What do your words mean?
		And just sitting there having to key, what does that mean?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Just what I do on my job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Having to key?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Data entry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, data entry.
		Okay, I've got it.
		All right, and so then we'll have...
		We'll have everybody listen for what it is that said that is apparently non-English, and I'll watch my fast blast, and somebody will blast it to me, no doubt.
		Here we go.
		Listen.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		sitting there having a key.
unidentified		Lord, I'll be help.
unidentified		Lord, I'll be Lord, I'll be Lord, I'll be I'm not...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure about that one more time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, wait a minute.
unidentified		sitting there having a key.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's really weird sounding.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It is, and we tried to reverse it to see if we could make out anything there.
		We couldn't.
		So the only thing we can come up with is another language.
		And hopefully somebody can tell us what it says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have no idea.
		It tries to make sense of what doesn't make sense.
		And so I tried to hear English, and I couldn't get any English there.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We can't either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and that was in a graveyard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, did you, is it worth, for example, when you get something like this in another language, then going back to the graveyard and looking for clues on the headstones to see if, you know, it might have been a person of foreign heritage or extraction or something like that?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and there are several people in this cemetery that were originally born in other countries and came here to this area during the pioneer days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this next one is going to worry me.
		It's already worrying me.
		I'm just reading it.
		So you want to tell everybody where it came from?
unidentified		All right.
		This voice, this was in the same private residence as the first voice we played.
		And you'll hear the lady who owned this house say around 1 o'clock in the morning.
		And she's describing that that's the time when most of the activity would take place.
		And you hear, it almost sounds like a child, but I'm not quite sure, say, am I dead?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, a child's voice, huh?
unidentified		It sounds like a child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's see.
unidentified		Is it around 1 o'clock in the morning?
unidentified		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that was easy.
		That was a, I agree, a child's, probably a child's voice, a whispered voice is what I would say.
		Now, let's, one more time, listen very carefully.
		it's whispered, but it sounds like a child's whispered voice.
		I'm hearing these, by the way, for the first time along with the rest of them.
unidentified		Wait, around 1 o'clock in the morning?
unidentified		Goodbye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, that sounds like M.I. Dead.
unidentified		A lot of the EVPs are very whispery.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Some of them are so much of a whisper that we cannot use them for a radio show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why a whisper?
		I mean, that clearly is a whisper.
		It's not a loud voice coming in weakly, as in a whisper.
		It's a whisper whisper, as in, Am I dead?
		Right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to say about that, except as you know, and I know Barbara, it bothers you too to hear so many children's voices.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's been one thing that's really surprised me on how many children we get on recording.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any suppositions you can make based on getting so many children's voices?
unidentified		I mean, why do you think you are?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I've been told many possibilities.
		I really do not know.
		I have really been surprised at the amount, though, that I've recorded and other people have recorded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever traced a voice, I would imagine, for example, in a single-family residence where they think they know who the ghost is, and you get a recording, you could be fairly sure of the person it is who's passed on that you are recording, correct?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We did a few years ago, a friend of ours had committed suicide and his family felt that he was still there and asked us to come there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you got a recording?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And we got a recording and he called Roger by a name that he would call him sometimes joking around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, when you heard the voice and when the family heard the voice, I never did hear that voice.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I never did play it for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I just felt it wouldn't have been beneficial for them.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, since you both knew the person, correct?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it reasonable to ask you if the voice to you was recognizable?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It sounded like him in a way, and yet it didn't.
		And we've talked about this on how some of the words are pronounced by these entities.
		And it's almost one of our members, Jenny, brought up a good theory.
		It's almost like how when people are deaf and can't hear, it's almost how they pronounce their words sometimes.
		They can't hear, but they can speak, and they don't pronounce their words clearly and defined.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you know so many things to wonder about in this year is a mean why the children Yeah, it really does.
		And here it goes again.
		Number five.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Number four.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Oh, I'm sorry.
		You're right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And this one is quite disturbing.
		It disturbed all of us when we heard it.
		So just a fair warning to the listeners.
		We were in a cemetery, and you will hear one of the GIS members, Jenny, say to a person that was with us that this was where Roger got grabbed.
		And this EVP, it sounds very despondent, and it sounds like a young girl to us.
		And she says, help me.
		And then there's a pause, and then find my dad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Help me and find my dad?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Help me, find my dad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		This is over here.
		The watcher got grabbed.
		Hello Chris.
		Give him a new hand.
		Hello Chris.
		Give him a new hand.
		Hello Chris.
		Give him a new hand.
		Hello Chris.
		Give him a new hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		Yeah.
		Oh, boy.
		Do I hear that?
		And it sounds, if you listen to the voice carefully, to me, it sounds like you said to Sponge, it sounds like the voice is almost in tears.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you all agree with me?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Very distressed.
unidentified		One more time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really distressing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's very heartbreaking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, we hear, gosh, we hear all these stories that when you pass and you're dead relatives, you find those who have passed on before you, and you don't have to go looking for them, and you don't have to be sad because they are just there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's what you go to the light, and there they are, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It sounds to me like there's some that get missed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a movie Robin Williams did.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Which one you're talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which one do you think?
unidentified		I can't even remember the name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In which his wife, I think if I recall correctly, committed suicide.
		And she had gone to hell, and he actually proceeded to hell to find her.
		And so I'm not saying that that's what this situation is, but if one of your loved ones is not in the light, not to be found, then I suppose that's one of the things one could speculate about, eh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's got to be mental.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that's why it's so important to how you think and the kind of person you are to be the best and kindest person you can be here while you're alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This one is almost enough to cause you to mist up yourself a little bit when you really listen to it.
		And I don't do this frequently, but I'm going to do it again.
		Listen to this very carefully, and listen not just to the words that are said, but listen to the emotion.
		Incredible emotion behind the words and the incredible desperation that seems to be behind the words.
unidentified		see if you hear that in this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll break here at the top of the hour.
		My guests Are from an incredible organization called the Ghost Investigators Society.
		They are Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
		And what you're hearing are voices that I guess must be from the other side.
		Boy, what does this say about the nature of the other side?
		From the high desert, a little town called Perup.
		My little town.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Don't touch that dial.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, how prophetic that Phaedra was the word that Keith chose.
		I had no idea, by the way, what Keith was going to do.
		None whatsoever.
		He chose that word, Phaedra, the unlucky Greek goddess.
		But awfully lucky for Mark Zeewe, the 100 millionth visitor to the website, he's got proof.
		He was smart enough to take digital pictures of his monitor.
		It's all right there, so you can go look at it on the website right now.
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		If this was up to you, would you go back to the moon or would you go straight to Mars?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not even the question I would ask.
unidentified		There could be scientific reasons to go to one destination, geopolitical reasons to go to another.
		There could be tourist business reasons to go, maybe you want to mine an asteroid.
		And so then when you reach that state, then the solar system becomes your backyard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now you have the freedom to go where you want.
unidentified		That's what a space-faring nation needs to do.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of April 3rd, 2002 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I think it's fair to say back to the other side.
		Once again, here are my guests, Brennan Cook, Barbara Macbeth from GIS.
		Welcome back, folks.
unidentified		Thank you, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that last one bothered a lot of people.
		I sit here and monitor, you know, the fast blast on my computer screen, and you could hear the desperation in the little voice.
		And that's about the only way I can put it in the way they're putting it.
unidentified		To be honest, we were actually really worried about that.
		We were debating on...
		Yeah, if it was even worth playing, knowing that it might disturb people.
		And so we really had to wrestle with that for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I can see why it disturbed them, all right.
		You know, what does it mean to you?
		I mean, to me, I think of the Robin Williams movie, you know, What Dreams May Come, and I think, well, maybe not all relatives are there.
		Maybe there are different places, and maybe there, like here, not all really is perfect.
		You know, the people who haven't led good lives might not be the same place as those who have, and I don't know.
unidentified		Yeah, when I heard this voice, I started thinking about what she could mean.
		And I was almost wondering if her dad hasn't even passed on yet.
		And she thinks he should be there, but he's obviously not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's move on, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number five, where?
unidentified		All right.
		This EVP was recorded in, well, it used to be an old barn.
		It's now a private business.
		It was built in the 1920s.
		And I mean, there's been a variety of activity that's happened there.
		Lights have turned on and off.
		The people who work there have reported seeing a ghost that they've just nicknamed George now.
		And Barbara and the owner's wife were sitting upstairs in the loft of this business.
		And you'll hear the owner's wife say, they were curious at first, weren't they?
		And then after that, this is kind of interesting because you hear two different EVPs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, two different voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And the first voice is going to say, come here, almost like she's saying, you know, to another ghost, come here and listen to what this lady is saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And you'll hear the first voice say, come here, and then the next voice says, what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		We've never heard two separate EVPs in one recording.
		so let's see if we can detect it.
		Definitely different.
		I don't know what I'm laughing at.
		I guess maybe just that I managed to hear it so clearly, I don't know if the audience did know, oh man, that is definitely two different.
		Now, what that indicates is contemporary dialogue.
		That indicates interaction.
		That indicates consciousness, awareness.
		It indicates interactivity.
		Wow.
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot to be said about that one.
unidentified		okay folks one more time Oh, oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, okay, there you have it.
		That was extremely clear to me.
		Was I about on target with what I said that would indicate if what we're hearing is true?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, definitely.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		What else can it be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This really are going to keep doing this work, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Until I can't move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you can't move anymore.
		you incidentally we brought this up in previous shows we have some kind of packed right in other words one of you uh...
		if one of you walks in front of a mac truck Barbara's going to haunt the hell out of us.
		I wonder if that's considered a worthy goal on the other side.
		I don't know.
		Let's go hot the hell out of there.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think that it's something that...
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that they belong here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And that they should move on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever recorded anything that said to you, in essence, that a spirit knew that it was trapped or in the wrong place or obviously not where it ought to be?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've recorded one that we played it on your show a few shows back, I think.
		It sounded like a self-realization.
		She said, I'm completely dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And to me, it sounded like it just realized that she was dead at that time.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I might be wrong, but that's what it sounded like to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we could have that flash of an instant where we see ourselves in an 80-mile head-on collision.
		We know we're dead for about tenths of a second.
		You're going to know you're about to die.
		And maybe a lot of times it doesn't occur to the person who's now on the other side suddenly that they're even dead.
		They just don't know because they see as clearly as ever until they realize that they're not in the physical body anymore.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's what I believe.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you have self-awareness and you know that you're still existing and you're trying to interact with people that are not responding to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number six.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This EVP, we've had it on our website, and some of your listeners might have heard this before, but we thought that there are some people out there that do not have computers, and so we put in a few of them so that people that don't have computers can hear these.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of people yet without computers.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		So that's why we added these in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, no, that's fine.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We were in a cemetery, me and my husband, and we were in a convertible, a little blue Carmen Guilla, and the top was down, and we were waiting for Brendan and Jenny to show up.
		And I was driving the car, and you will hear Roger say, sit and wait there.
		And this EVP repeats what he says, word for word, sit and wait there.
		It's kind of a creepy voice, and then there's a sound that sounds like a heavy breath after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's see.
unidentified		It's later.
		It's quiet.
		Ah!
		It's quiet.
		Ah!
		It's quiet.
		Ah!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		of brother but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but That sounds psychotically evil.
		How's that for a phrase?
		Psychotically evil.
		Again, folks, I'm hearing these as you are, but just hearing that breath, that breath, yep, psychotically evil.
		One more time.
unidentified		It's glorious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sends a hackles up on my back.
		Yeah, it really does.
		That's a hackles.
		Now, I may hear it, I don't know, more clearly than some out there, but man, that one, ya, ya ya.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have recorded that sound of breathing quite often, which I find quite fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that breathing sound sounds either like, well, it sounds like codically evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all you say.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I'm sure I'll hear from some other people what they think you'd want to talk to.
		That was just me.
		All right, onward.
		Number seven.
unidentified		Okay.
		This one, it sounds, the voice itself sounds like a decrepit old woman almost.
		You'll hear GIS member Roger, this was in a private residence we were investigating, and you'll hear GIS member Roger say, do you think he's past 40?
		And he's referring, he's talking to the owner, referring to the ghost, if the owner thinks that the ghost is past 40 in that age range.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And this decrepit old woman sounds like she says yes.
unidentified		Either yes or he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll let people decide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here you go.
unidentified		Hello, he's a power 40.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh, yes, it sounds like a decrepit old woman.
		You guys are pretty good at this.
		You spend hours and days and weeks and months listening to these, nothing but these, right?
		Looking for these.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Almost, sometimes it is like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, again, I'm bothered.
		Why would there be a decrepit old woman on the other side?
		In other words, surely you don't show up in the depleted, wrinkled, old, aged, mind-boggled, and fuzzied condition that you die in.
		I mean, that's just too much to believe.
		And so why then would we even ever get a decrepit old lady?
unidentified		That's true.
		However, now say she was older when she passed away.
		Now when she goes on to the other side, that's how she's going to remember herself.
		I mean, it's possible that she may remember herself being younger, but it's going to more than likely be easier to remember herself as being the way she was when she passed away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but if her voice sounds like that on the other side, then why shouldn't we imagine that other aspects of her are the same on the other side as well?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To her, and that's the only one that matters to, I suppose.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, there have been ghosts that have been seen that look like old decrepit people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Old, decrepit people.
		So maybe whoever it was who said, die young and leave a pretty body.
		I mean, if it's what you're stuck with in eternity, now.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I also wonder if they appear, the way they appear is how they want you to see them.
unidentified		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Because, like, I think we discussed this previously, there have been cases where the same person has been seen in different stages of their life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they can project themselves in any manner they wish.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe they can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, at that moment, it was a decrepit old lady who was projected to you for that, I guess.
		I don't know.
		I guess we can't dissect all of this and understand all of it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although you struggle to do it.
		Absolutely.
		All right.
		Here we go, Anyet to number eight.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We were investigating a different residence, and you'll hear the lady say, walk in here blindly, and this EVP says goodnight.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Okay, again, it sounds like a child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the lady of a private residence, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let me ask you this, just before we play this.
		Your exposure on this program, pretty big.
		Do you now find that as a result of the exposure that you get invited into more places or that it's a little easier for you on occasion because they know who you are?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've gotten a lot of invitations and our limited funds does not allow us to go to a lot of the places that they've asked us to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Of course.
		Yes, I'm sure that is certainly true.
		People can make their own electronic voice recordings, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll cover that in a moment.
		But anyway, the lady of the house says, walk in here blindly.
		And the EVP says good night.
		Is that about right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		Walk in here blindly.
		Good night.
		Wow.
		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely no question about that one.
		In fact, when you hear it in context, it even sounds better.
		When you pull it apart, I don't even know what sounds.
unidentified		It's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to it in straight context.
unidentified		Please come to me real fast.
unidentified		Oh, oh, oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, why did I do that?
unidentified		I'm sorry, I'm good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		child voice all the way be these are But I almost wonder what's taking place with all the children's voices.
		That's the best thing to hope for, isn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		When you get there, you virtually have a choice, and if you want the innocent joy, and what's to match that?
		When you were discovering the world and everything was new, maybe it is true that a lot of people choose that.
		And can you blame them?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, because usually that's your happiest times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's kind of hard to figure out.
		I mean, they certainly were the most carefree times.
		I'll say that.
		I'm not sure they were the happiest.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, at the time, you don't know any different.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And so your innocence, for most people, protects you, and you're happy then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think I would choose my childhood, but I can clearly see how many, many people would.
		I've had such an incredible adult life, just amazing, that I probably would choose that.
		But I can see that a large part of the population would choose perhaps to be innocent and free again.
		That would have a lot of attraction, I think.
		In fact, so much that here one last time I want to hear.
unidentified		Talking here blindly.
		Good time.
		Good time.
		Good time.
		Good time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a child.
		Okay, onward and upward.
		Let's see, number nine.
		Maybe we can get it in here just before the break.
unidentified		Alright, this voice, it was recording in a Victorian mansion that we've been doing an ongoing investigation at.
		And you'll hear Barbara say, will you come and be with us?
		And it sounds like a man that says either no thank you or oh thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		No thank you or oh thank you.
		Okay, all right.
		Well, let's see what we get.
unidentified		Can you tell me, Rifa?
		Huh.
		Oh, oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that sounds like it sounds like a no thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that kind of tone, no thank you, like that is what I got.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's saying either no thank you or oh thank you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		One of the two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard more of the no, that kind of a no.
unidentified		No thank you.
unidentified		It sounds really almost kind of adamant about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sort of a thanks but no thanks kind of exactly, right?
		All right, well we'll see what other people think.
		And it's very diverse what people hear.
		You two stand by.
		The GIS is here.
		I'm Art Bell.
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		It's been quite a night.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		The GIS is here tonight.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Don't touch that dot.
unidentified		Sounds of fire
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of April 3rd, 2002 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are my guests, and here they are once again.
		All right, you two.
		Jim, you know, I get these messages on the computer.
		Jim from Nova Scotia.
		Wolfville.
		Wolfeville, Nova Scotia, asks a very good question.
		Food for thought, he says.
		It's kind of interesting that the ghosts have to breathe.
		If that's the case, do they have to eat?
		What would they eat?
		Dead plants and animals?
		Interesting show.
		Interesting thought.
		It is a good point.
		I mean, after all, they're dead.
		What do they need with breathing sounds?
unidentified		To be honest, I really don't believe they're actually breathing at all.
		I think it's a memory thing.
		They're remembering how they talked in life, and to do that, they had to breathe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
unidentified		And I think a lot of this is done through memory.
unidentified		That's how they communicate with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
		Yes.
		Perfect explanation, actually.
		if they were going to send a message, they would send it in a recognizable form, and that certainly would include breath.
		All right.
		Number 10, as we continue.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This next one was recorded by one of our members, Barry.
		We were investigating a business.
		The building was originally built back in the late 1800s and had originally been used as a bordello.
		This is one that's also been on our website, and we added it in for people that don't have a computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's many, as long as it's the first time on the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this was a bortello?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, originally, and in fact, the rooms upstairs, they still have the old original wallpaper.
		And it's a woman that we were just getting ready to leave, in fact, and to go back downstairs.
		And Barry was walking out of this room, and there's a, it sounds like a young woman, and she says, gonna miss you, and I mean it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		alright uh...
		let's see uh...
		Oh, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really does sound like that.
		But, God, let's think about this for a second.
		If that's what it is, then is it a memory of what happened so many times in that room?
		Is that what you think?
unidentified		It almost, it could be a residual voice.
unidentified		I mean, there's no real interaction other than us leaving at the time.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Or it could have been a line that she used.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how about this one?
		Just let me throw another one in on the pile here.
		Suppose it's true that a prostitution is some kind of sin.
		I'm just throwing this in.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it's some kind of serious sin that we don't know about.
		More serious than we thought that is.
		So then maybe she, the ghost, is eternally a prostitute.
		Now, I would think that would be pretty much a hell.
unidentified		listen to it one more time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just thought I'd throw that in.
		You guys think about that kind of thing at all?
		Oh, yeah.
		In other words, what hell would...
		who knows i i i don't know you're a good man It would be absolutely horrible.
		Okay.
		Let's continue.
		You know, every show that we do, I want to get...
		A lot of people are going to want to contact you for obvious reasons.
		There will be requests, I'm sure, for you to come and visit a specific location for obvious reasons.
		People want to hear from loved ones that are gone.
		I don't know if it's a good idea or not, but I know you're going to get some of that, and people just will want to converse with you.
		Many people out there are doing their own EVP work, and I know that you try and encourage people to do it themselves, right?
unidentified		Yes, we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, your website tells them how, right?
unidentified		It does.
unidentified		It gives just kind of the basics, you know, how to go about doing it, and obviously a lot of examples of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And people send you EVPs in email, too, right?
unidentified		Yes, they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One night we'll have to do a show on EVPs sent in.
		In other words, when you finally get enough of some really good ones.
		Oh, we could easily do that by now.
		Oh, could we?
		All right, well, listen.
		So people are going to go out and try this themselves.
		What is your email address?
		Do you want to give it out?
unidentified		Well, we have GIS at ghostpicks.com.
		G-I-S.
		And you can also go, if you go to the home page and go to the bottom, you can email each individual member.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but the overall address is G-I-S at ghost, G-H-O-S-T, PICS, P-I-X.com, all strewn together, right?
		That's correct.
		In baby letters.
		Lowercase, G-I-S at ghost, picks, that's P-I-X.com.
		All right.
		Number 11.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, this one, I almost kind of got a little bit creeped out by this.
		It was in the private residence the last few of these voices have been recorded with the children in them.
		And you'll hear the same woman describing, in fact, she says exactly these words.
		She says, this room is always cold, and if you just walk in here, it's cold.
		I don't like this room.
		Every time I've slept in here, I've had nightmares.
		Now, you'll hear that in this clip.
		And right after she says that, a child will say, go to bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh no.
unidentified		Like he's saying, you know, go to bed so you can have some more nightmares.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here comes some more nightmares.
		Be my guest, go to bed.
		Oh, that's creepy.
		All right.
		Now, again, this is a private residence request you were doing.
		An investigation of a haunted place.
		And a lady was talking about how the room is always cold, right?
		Yes.
		Here it comes.
unidentified		It's always cold.
		And I mean, just walk in here, it is cold.
		I don't like this room.
		Every time I slept in here I had nightmares.
		Go to bed.
		Go to bed.
		Go to bed.
		Thank you.
		That's so, so totally creepy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		Totally, totally creepy.
		We're going to do this one more time.
		The lady in the house who's leading the GIS members in this investigation and showing them through the house has made the comment about how the room is always cold, doesn't like it in there, has nightmares, and there's an obvious response.
unidentified		This room is always cold.
		And it's, I mean, just walking here, it is cold.
		I don't like this room.
		Every time I slept in here I had nightmares.
		Go to bed.
		Go to bed.
		Go to bed.
		Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear him giggle too in there in the middle of her sentence?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did.
unidentified		Oh my, my, my, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now this really gets to be a problem because not only do we have a child's voice, but we have what appears to be, if it's in the context, but it certainly appears to be, and the context seems very clear, we have a malevolence from a child's voice.
unidentified		The lady from this residence had always mentioned to us that the majority of this activity happened when she was asleep, and it would either wake her up or she'd have nightmares about it.
		And I wonder if that was almost a way that it was easier for the spirits there to contact her that way.
		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		Maybe.
		But it didn't sound like a friendly voice to me.
		And it was definitely a child's voice, and it wasn't friendly.
		So we have a malevolent child's voice, in my opinion.
		But I know that you want to think of it in a very optimistic way, and I don't blame you.
		All right.
		Number 12.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one was recorded by Jenny, and they were conducting an investigation at an old jail that is now part of a hotel complex that's around it, and the people eat in the jail cells.
		And me and Roger were not at this location at this time.
		And you will hear Ginny say, will you tell us your name?
		And the EVP says, Roger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Really?
		All right, here we go.
unidentified		Can you tell us your name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any question in your mind that that is what you're hearing and that that is absolutely direct interaction?
		Do you understand how important it is, folks, that they have this delay unit so they can record and then a few seconds later hear any electronic voice that comes to them that would enable them to engage in an immediate ongoing conversation?
		If this EVP is real stuff, then that certainly should follow, that you would occasionally get an ongoing conversation.
		There would be perhaps whatever seconds of delay between the record and the playback head, but still, that would be basically an ongoing conversation.
		One more time, listen to the voice answering with his name.
unidentified		Can you tell us your name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty direct response, folks.
unidentified		It is.
unidentified		It is, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to think of how we're going to handle this next one.
		And I tell you, instead of specifically...
		Since a lot of this is subjective, if anybody ever comes back to me and says you shouldn't have let that go on the air, I'll say, well, you know, it's subjective.
		Who knows what you heard, right?
		So we're going to hear, first of all, where was this, please?
		As always, need to know where.
unidentified		Well, this was in the cemetery, and it's a cemetery.
		It's an older pioneer cemetery.
		And we had seen a ghost light in this cemetery earlier.
		And in this clip, what you'll hear is GIS member Jenny, who recorded this, say, Oh, little light, come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, little light, come on?
unidentified		Yeah, she's trying to get the light to come back because we had seen this ghost light appear in the cemetery a few times before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what form, might I ask?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like an orb?
unidentified		Yeah, it was really just, it was a ball of light.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Shrunk down to about the size of your thumbnail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We call those orbs.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, it started out like an orb, but it got very small.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It shrunk down in size as it came down the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Oh, my goodness.
		So we'll hear Jenny say, oh, little light, come on.
		And then we will hear the EVP, which contains some bad language.
		Please note that, everybody.
		There's going to be some possibly interpreted as bad language here.
		I haven't heard it yet.
unidentified		Oh, we're right.
		Come on.
		We should have to come down there and go out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that one clearly to me says, S-head, I'm near the light.
		That's what I hear coming back to Jenny with blank head, insert S-head here.
		I'm near the light is what it sounds like.
unidentified		And that's what we've heard from the many times that we've played it back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		Well, here, you know, to me, it was pretty obvious that it was the bad word, one of the bad, seven bad words.
		Probably you can only say it this time of the morning.
		Actually, you can do that legally.
		But I don't do it unless it's in a context.
		And this is clearly in a context.
		And I'm going to play it again, but I want to ask you, how often, because obviously we don't do this frequently on radio, you don't allow this kind of language, or could be interpreted to be kind of language, that'll keep me on the edge here, to go out over the air.
		So how often do you get bad language included in EVPs?
unidentified		Not a whole lot.
unidentified		I mean, we do get it, but maybe 15% of the time.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'd be surprised if it's even that much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh b somewhere between 10 and 15%.
unidentified		Yes, that that sounds about right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh you you agree with that both of you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better than ten percent, Barber.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I I I don't even think it's that much.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's out of all of the ones that we've gotten uh I think we could count them on one hand, how many.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Where other people they get sworn at a lot, so maybe it's our attitude with them.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe it is.
		All right.
		Let's play this one more time and you all can decide for yourselves.
unidentified		Oh, the light.
		Come on.
		You should have to come out there in the light.
		You should have to come out there in the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now to me, that sounds like a young woman's voice.
		Even maybe a teenage voice, but a young woman's voice.
		What do you think?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's what we thought.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		A young girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A young girl, yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		A teenager.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and not in a real good mood either.
unidentified		Uh-uh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But referring to the light, you know, referring directly back to the light.
		God, that's incredible.
		How do you guys handle some of this when you get it?
		I mean, you know, we're discussing them tonight, and a lot of this has, to me, pretty apparently bad vibes to it.
		I don't know how else to put it.
		Go back to the 60s.
		Really bad vibes to it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Some of them you have to just kind of laugh at.
		I mean, like with this young girl, she has an attitude.
		She must have had one when she was alive, and she still has it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Teenage girls have attitudes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, women in general.
unidentified		Really, you treat them like people.
		I mean, they may not have a physical body, but they're still people.
		I mean, they have the same mentality they had while they were alive.
		and that's really how we treat them when we're out and when we get these voices, I mean, they're general...
		Exactly.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Your personality just carries on.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And I really feel like these EVPs, they really sh show personality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, they do.
		There's a lot of emotion.
		There is a lot of just outright anger and the whole range of...
		Yeah, despair.
		I didn't like the despair one.
		Okay, we can squeeze one more in here for the top of the hour, so let's squeeze.
		It would be, what, number, 14.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Really interesting.
		We've conducted investigations at this location probably over 100 times.
		And over a period of three years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Graveyard?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, it's an old Union Pacific Railroad station that's been turned into a museum now.
		And this area, they call it the gallery.
		We've been in this location many times and we've never heard this take place before or after this.
		We asked the maintenance man if he's ever heard it happen at the time he was there with us and he had never heard it.
		But you'll hear the EVP will say make the pipes do it now and then you will hear the pipes start rattling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're kidding.
		Okay, there's a way to go out of an error.
		But there's more ahead, folks.
		You could actually hear the pipes rattling.
		Now there's one to catch on, tape folks.
		Look, I'll tell you what.
		We're going to break here at the top of the hour, and when we come back, we've got more EVPs, and I will try and get you on the phone with these two GIS members.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 3rd, 2002.
		He was in a bag, but he was way behind.
		He was willing to make a deal when he came across this young man sewing on a fiddle and playing it hot.
		And the devil jumped up on a hickory stump and said, boy, let me tell you what.
		I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player too.
		And if you'd care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
		Now, you play pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil his view.
		I'll bet a fiddle of gold against your soul because I think I'm better than you.
		The boy said, my name's Johnny, and it might be a sin, but I'll take your bet, you're going to regret, because I'm the best it's ever been.
		Johnny, risen up your foe and play your fiddle hard.
		Cause hell broke loose in Georgia, the devil's human heart.
		And if you and you get the shiny little, let'em go.
		I can see you lying back in your satin bed In a room where you do what you don't compare Run down, you better take care If I find you've been creeping round my back there Run
		down, you better take care If I find you've been creeping round my back there She's been looking like a queen in a favorite dream And she don't always say what she really means Sometimes I think it's a shame When I get feeling
		better, when I'm feeling okay Sometimes I think it's a shame When I get feeling better, when I'm feeling okay When I get feeling better, when I'm feeling okay I could picture every move that a man could make, getting lost in another.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 3rd, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I interviewed Gordon Lightfoot, man, who sings this song.
		And he sang about his own life.
		I mean, we sat here and talked about it.
		This was about a woman he was in love with, ended up cheating on him, I think.
		And if you listen to the word song, that's what this is about.
		Now, that kind of person with that kind of passion, and Gordon Lightfoot has a lot of passion, man.
		It's all in the song.
		you just listen to the words and how he housing them that kind of person but would come back in haunt you just So if things don't go away, and the proof seems to be that they do not continue on forever in an organized form, then somebody with that kind of passion would be one who would come back and haunt it.
		It's a very interesting interview.
		That's another one I'll have to repeat one of these days.
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		I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek the other way just to let it happen.
		I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
		This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
		There was a much bigger picture there.
		And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go into Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped.
		Because it's going to continue.
		We're going to have more and more episodes and more and more involvement in other countries.
		And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
		And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 3rd, 2002.
		Coast to Coast AM All right, you two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're back on the air again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, we didn't have time to really discuss what we heard up at the top of the hour, but there was, you know, in the first part of it, there's absolutely no question that you could actually hear the chains rattling, right?
unidentified		It was rattling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or the pipes rather rattling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it was pretty loud, actually.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and they went on for quite a while.
		Really?
		They went on for so long that that was when we asked the maintenance man that was there with us if he had ever heard these pipes do that, because we had never.
		We had been there many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now again, who says, make the pipes do it now?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It was an EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		saying make the pipes do it now apparently as in talking to another EVP or...
		So we might imagine here we've got a couple of ghosties, we'll call them, who are thinking of making trouble or, you know, trying to, I mean, that's one sure sign of haunting, what happens to the pipes, right?
		So if there were a couple of ghosts sitting around trying to decide how they were going to cause mischief, they might sound just like this, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Listen.
		Listen.
		Bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so that's all.
		Well, we can draw a good conclusion from this, and that is that there's a sense of humor on the other side.
		Right?
unidentified		Yes, I believe that many of them do have a sense of humor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here they are, Harry.
		Hit the pipes now.
		You know, that's encouraging to me.
		That one's encouraging to me.
		I mean, I may well be on the other side, and if I'm able to do it, rattling pipes, big footsteps coming up the stairs, that kind of thing, even a door occasionally bowing in, like you see in the movies, you know?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to witness that.
unidentified		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so if I could do that, I'm just the kind of guy who would do that.
		So I have some empathy with that recording I just heard.
		That's a good thing.
		All right, onward.
		Number 15, I believe.
unidentified		Okay, well, Art, in this clip, you will, we're in a cemetery, and you will hear a girl say, this girl was with us, she's not an actual member, but she says, have they no respect?
unidentified		And she's talking about a headstone that had been knocking over by, I guess, teenagers that were going into the cemetery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But she says, have they no respect?
		And then GIS member Jenny answers, I know.
		And then the EVP, it sounds like it says, we are dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does?
unidentified		It's a low EVP, but, I mean, that's all we kind of call the conclusion.
unidentified		see what we can hear or or Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was clear to me.
		We are dead.
		was quite clear to me actually interesting to see what other people have to say about mhm We are dead.
		And you're talking about respect, and so I suppose the dead in this case are thinking they are the ones who should be getting the respect.
		We are dead.
unidentified		That's almost how it sounds.
unidentified		I mean, just in the context it's shown right here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope I'm not adding improper meaning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just giving, as we go, my interpretation.
unidentified		No, that's actually what I thought when we heard this.
unidentified		Alright, here it is again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The plea of the Rodney Dangerfield of the other side, huh?
		All right.
		All right.
		We're not going very quickly here, but we'll get through them.
		I want to get to some phone calls, so we'd better get through these.
		Number 16.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one was recorded in the same cemetery by Jenny, and you will hear Jenny say, I mean I saw it, but, and then this EVP comes in, and it sounds like a child, and it says, do you see my name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like on a headstone?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's what I believe it's asking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see.
unidentified		unless that You know what I hear?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear, can you see my name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really do hear that.
unidentified		Can you see my name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
unidentified		I mean I thought, but...
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I do think it says, can you see my name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you see my name?
		That's what it says.
		Small voice too, huh?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is not encouraging me, on the whole.
		You know, some of them have been all right, but this hanging around graves.
		Any idea which grave or a headstone it was?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, there are so many of them that are so worn, they're really hard to even, they've gotten so that you can't even see names on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which might be another reason that the voice would say, can you still see my name?
unidentified		Is it, oh, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, onward number 17.
unidentified		All right, well, this one was recorded in the same cemetery as the last two.
		And Barbara was saying, right before this voice was recorded, Barbara was remarking on what a pretty cemetery this is.
		And this voice comes in and says, extremely little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Here we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Referring to the size of the cemetery, the voice says extremely little.
		It's pretty clear to me.
		How about the rest of you?
unidentified		How about the rest of you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Cunningham from New York City, New York, New York says, how do you expect me to sleep tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand, actually.
unidentified		We're really not.
		I mean, we don't want to scare anybody by doing this.
		We really, I mean, our model.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got to understand that's the net result in a lot of cases.
		I mean, some of these are questionably scary or unquestionably scary.
		In other words, sure, I guess you can try and put the best spin you can on them.
unidentified		I think it really comes down, it all comes down to the way you look at it.
		I mean, if you, like we do, and view them as just people, I mean, they're not demons, they haven't turned evil because they've passed on.
		You just view them as regular people that don't have a body, it's really not something that bothers you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it might not bother you, but it does bother some of us.
		I mean, these are just regular people minus bodies.
		Now, that's, on the face of it, that sounds pretty good, but, you know, it's a big statement when you think about it.
		These are regular people without bodies.
		That says more than it just says when it rolls off the lips.
		All right, anyway, onward number, what, 18.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one, we were at a bar.
		It's an old establishment.
		It's been, I think at one time it was a general store.
		It's now a biker bar.
		And the workers that work in there, they've had experiences there.
		and you'll hear Ginny say, that's weird.
		And this EVP will say so is the bar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Here we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what it says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So is the bar.
unidentified		listen again folks one more time or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or And just to be clear on this, the bar was not open at the time we recorded this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Wow.
		Might we know for the record, on an average, how many hours of EVP, as an average, do you go through, or how many minutes do you go through to get a legible EVP?
unidentified		It varies so much.
unidentified		I mean, there can be times...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you had to average it out, are you hearing one an hour, one every two hours, one every 10 hours, 12, one every week?
unidentified		What?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we probably spend 8 to 10 hours a day listening through our tapes, and we will probably get an average of probably 20 out of the tapes that we listen to, but we are not able to use them all for the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because they're not that legible.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but that's pretty encouraging.
		In other words, if people are out there thinking about trying this right now themselves, I'd say that's pretty encouraging.
		That would be one hard day's work, say, and you might expect to get 15 or 20, or maybe if you're not good at recognizing them, even 10.
		But even 10, I would think, for a first experiment for somebody out there would be a pretty doggone good yield.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the combination of more than one person listening.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, we're sitting here, all of us listening through our tapes, three different recorders, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so then somebody might yield, let's say then they might yield 10 in three days of man-hour works.
unidentified		That working is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, even that's pretty good for somebody who would like to start out an experiment to expect to get as many as, say, 10 in three days of hard work.
		That would be enough to start you thinking if you want to prove this to yourself, and an awful lot of you have, because I get all these emails saying, oh, my God, Art, I tried it and it worked.
		You can't imagine how many of those I get.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we get a lot of those, too, where they've written to us and told us about it.
unidentified		And that's how I started.
		I mean, as I've said before, I didn't believe in EBP at all when we first started.
		I mean, when I first heard about it, I just thought it was ludicrous to go into a cemetery in the middle of the night and record voices.
		And, you know, it took two or three times, and when we recorded our first voice, it was just, I was blown away by it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to do it at nighttime.
		You can go in midday.
		A lot of times we've taken off in the afternoon while the daylight is still.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I suppose really, what's day or night to somebody on the other side?
		Probably nothing.
		Maybe nothing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter when you get the EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The next one, number 19.
unidentified		All right.
		This one was recorded in a mausoleum, and I didn't include Roger.
		Roger's the one that recorded this, GIS member Roger.
		But I did not include his voice before this because there was a problem with the sound level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So all we're getting here is the EVT itself.
unidentified		The EVT itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever came from the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		Right before this, you'll hear, well, you won't hear it, but Roger had said, will you cut, or welcome, we welcome you to come and join us.
		And then the voice, it sounds like a child's voice, really quickly says, leave me alone.
		Alright, let's see if we can hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the first one that I have a hard time with tonight.
		The others I've heard so clearly, I'm still trying to make out what she's saying.
		Here it is one more time.
		This is the EVP.
		All right, I kind of have a hard time with that one.
		I can't quite make out that it's saying what you believe it is.
		Leave me alone.
unidentified		I think it would have been clearer if I was able to get Roger's sound level down and keep his voice with the EVP.
unidentified		I mean, the context would have been better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		But like I said, I mean, it's just a quick, fast voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, quickly, speaking of quick, number 20.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were recording in an old Victorian house, and they had a couple of boxers, a couple of dogs, that came out of this room.
		And you'll hear me say gorgeous animal.
		And this EVP says batface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Batface?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Batface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As in B-A-T.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Batface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		animals.
unidentified		Earthpiece.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, they had a little mask over their eyes, you know, their markings, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think this is a comment on what they thought the animal looked like?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that might be, yes, because they were beautiful dogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Batface, yeah.
		Well, you know, I understand that comment.
		Here we go, one more time.
unidentified		animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you find something that distinct though, you must all start, is it Yeah, it's loud and clear.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, as you point out, in some cases, the EVP is louder than the voice that was making the invitation or the comment or whatever, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you account?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you possibly account for that?
unidentified		I mean, it's such a mystery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, it is.
unidentified		I don't think there is any way that we can explain it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't either.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Unless that spirit, that ghost, has very strong energy themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They may have that.
		All right, hold on.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		This is Coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to cover the phones here in a moment.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 3rd, 2002.
		Don't bring me down.
		No, no, no, no, no.
		I'll tell you one more before I get out of the door.
		Don't bring me down.
		Don't bring me down.
		You wanna see us fancy friends with your friend?
		Oh no, oh no, I remember I remember what I'm worried.
		How could I ever get the first time the last time we ever met?
		But I know the reason why you gave me time for the beautiful meeting doesn't show, but the pain is so close.
		So forget that you are me to give me a home.
		I'm here for this moment for all my life Oh Lord I'm here for this moment for all my life Oh Lord Oh Lord I'm here for this moment for all my life
		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 3rd, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		coming to you this night from this side and that side.
unidentified		you you you I get back to the night of April 3rd, 2002 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Art Bell This is really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back, you two.
		I got a whole slew of messages here.
		You know, number 20?
		The one you thought was saying Batface?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Mike from Wisconsin says, no, no, no, no.
		Don from Davenport, Iowa, could the last one have been Butt Face?
		Chris, Houston, Texas.
		I think that one said Buttface.
		Robert, Portland, Oregon, says it may be me, but the voice in the dog segment sounded as if it said butt face.
		Yes, they have a good sense of humor.
		Now, therefore, I'm going to listen to this again with that in mind.
		Let's see if it sounds like buttface.
unidentified		Gorgeous animals.
		Buttface.
		Ha.
		Buttface.
		Ha, ha, ha.
		He, he, he, he, he, he.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think they're right.
		Either that or what we say, now it's a close call, obviously, but what we say influences what we hear.
		And to some degree, I'm sure that's true.
		Our brains do that.
		I don't think it in any way lessens the credibility with regard to the work you're doing to have different interpretations of the same thing.
		But by God, the second time I listen to it, these people are right, it sounds like buffets.
unidentified		And it very well could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		A lot of people want to talk to you, and I've got to get you on the lines, but we do have one more, don't we?
		Number 21.
		What do we have?
unidentified		Really quick.
		Okay.
		This one, we were in the cemetery, and my friend actually happens to be buried in this cemetery.
		And I was walking over his grave at this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And you'll hear me, and this is just kind of the way we talked, you'll hear me say, sorry for walking over where you were planted.
unidentified		It sounds like a voice that says, why do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do that?
		Yes.
		Okay.
		Here we go in a cemetery again, where they are so frequently.
unidentified		for walking over where you were planted Why do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what it sounded like.
		Why do that?
		To me, why do that?
		And I guess as you listen to all voices, the phrasing is important.
		Why?
		Why do that?
		Why do that?
		It came just that way, didn't it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here come the phone calls.
		First time, call our line.
		You're on the air with GIS.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Lace in Jonesboro.
		Yes, sir.
		Yeah, like I said, the one you played earlier tonight, I think it was the third or fourth one where you said you thought it might be a foreign language.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, my Latin's a little fuzzy, but it sounded like they might have said the quati, which to me sounds like a conjugation of a Latin word, which means those who talk.
		Oh, really?
		Really?
		It seems to me that that's the I know it has to do with talking because I know like a novo plator means I can't say anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go, folks.
unidentified		I believe Lokwaki would be like a group, like a group of people who talk.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A group of people who talk in Latin.
unidentified		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, caller.
		Well, didn't have long to wish for that one, did we?
		All right, here we go.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with GIS members.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		Hard.
		Congrats on the 100 million.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, that's something, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		This is Jeff calling from Midland, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I have a good sleep with a few extra lights on tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear that.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I have a little different interpretation of one of the messages that was played.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which one?
unidentified		The one about the seem so small.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Extremely little?
unidentified		Or extremely little.
		Exactly.
		Right.
		And what I heard could be the way I heard it, it could be, do I seem small?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What number was that, folks?
unidentified		17.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		17?
unidentified		17.
unidentified		It sounds like a child's voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you say that it's saying what, sir?
unidentified		It seems like it's saying, do I seem small?
unidentified		Alright, let's listen to this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I hear that.
unidentified		Or do I seem small?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I heard the word little.
unidentified		I keep saying the word wrong, but do I seem little?
unidentified		But the way that it's a child's voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, maybe, do I seem little, maybe?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm getting.
unidentified		That's what I was getting at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, hold on.
unidentified		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		Caller, thank you for making the suggestion.
		I don't know if I hear that, but thanks.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, how are you doing?
unidentified		This is Scott calling out of Peoria, Illinois on WMBD 1470.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I was just wondering a couple quick questions there.
unidentified		I was wondering if they've ever tried to, if your guest has ever tried recording at sites such as Gettysburg or maybe even the Ground Zero.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hiroshima.
unidentified		Yeah, if not.
		That would be great.
		And see just kind of what kind of reaction they've gotten.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am sure, you know, they've said it earlier, they'd love to travel.
		Travel takes money.
		And patience, too, these days.
		What about, guys, Gettysburg?
		I mean, have you ever been on vacations, had opportunities to go to historic battlegrounds, that kind of thing?
unidentified		We have not yet gone to Gettysburg.
		We are hopefully going to do that.
		As for Ground Zero, we've mentioned this on your show before.
		It's something if we ever did it, there'd have to be quite a lot of time that passed.
		Just out of curiosity, I know me and a friend, we've really been into the show all night, and I've got recording equipment of my own, a little personal studio.
		I was wondering if would any equipment such as a digital 8-track recorder or anything like that work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That question comes up every show, so we'll deal with it right now.
		Everybody would say, yeah, come on, use Mini C D or a digital format of some kind, and you will eliminate any noise.
		And your answer to that is?
unidentified		Well, the theory with EVP is it's using the EMF or electromagnetic field, which when you're using your tape recorders, that's what you're picking up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're laying down an electromagnetic track on the tape oddsides is what you're doing.
		So what we believe is happening is that these entities are impressing through the use of electromagnetics their voice through the tape head onto the tape.
		Now that would not work, or at least we don't know how it would work, with digital equipment.
		And I take it you have experimented, certainly, with digital.
		I was suggested, if you didn't think of it yourself, what happened?
unidentified		Yeah, I have yet to hear a voice come from a digital recorder.
		A lot of what people claim are voices from digital recorders is actually like a digital static discharge.
		And they sound, I mean, almost kind of demonic and just evil sounding.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And it's questionable.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They don't sound like voices to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		During one of the shows that we have ahead of us that I know we will do again, would you bring one of those up just for grins?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any recordings of those?
unidentified		I don't think we saved any of them.
		They're just not worth it.
		Okay.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We'll try to get one, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you do get one, just sort of include it in a CD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to hear it anyway, what it is that you are dismissing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		How's everybody doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		This is Matt from Southern California, Usland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I had two suggestions for the guests tonight.
		One was being holes, like try recording in holes because of that one you've got with like was probably the most crazy thing I've ever heard with like what sounds like hell almost the Siberian one or whatever and uh and uh the other one would be like uh my uh friend of mine lives in a house uh it used to be like a hospital back like from the way way old days I forgot the exact date but and it's proven haunted like we've seen some crazy or like had some crazy experiences
		and there it's just been oh man it's weird but I'm thinking like just because of the hospital and many people have died in there and stuff you know it'd be interesting right now we are actually working on securing an investigation in a hospital oh it's going to take some time to figure out how and when we can do it but we are working on doing that an active uh an active hospital no actually it's it's abandoned yeah I was gonna say,
art bell ▲ ● ▼		probably most active hospitals, if you tried to go in and get into, say, the critical care area, they wouldn't let you anywhere near it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They would no more want publicity about death than the man in the moon wants his cheese to melt, you know?
unidentified		It would be nearly impossible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you'd have to go to sort of a decommissioned hospital, but with the work you do, that wouldn't matter.
unidentified		No.
		And really, if you think about it, a hospital would be the prime place to look.
		I mean, if you think of how many people have passed away in that one building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		That's the one thing the hospitals, when they're alive, don't want you to think about at all.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with the GIS.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, Ark.
		This is the first time that I ever called you.
		My name's Lawrence, and I live in Haynes City, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Lawrence.
unidentified		My question is, how come that you don't get groups together like these voices would group together?
unidentified		It would seem like as many people are buried in cemeteries that you would get that from time to time, where they would all talk at one time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where you get either multiple voices or conversations ongoing, right?
unidentified		Actually, on the last show we did, we had played one where it sounded almost like there was five different voices talking all at one time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about it.
unidentified		I mean, there are times that we do get EVPs like that, where you get a multitude of voices that, I mean, just obviously aren't the three members of the group that are there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't rise to the level of my Siberian hold tape, but it was very, very good.
		Many voices together.
		Okay.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air with the GIS, huh?
unidentified		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm calling from Fairbanks, Alaska, but my question is, what part of the country are you folks in?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We're in Utah.
unidentified		You're in Utah.
unidentified		Have you ever tried going into California into the gold camp country?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have so many places that we want to go.
unidentified		I would think that if you're in Utah, that would be a place that would be fairly accessible.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, not too far away from you.
unidentified		In the foothills of California where a lot of the gold camps were, there were a lot of tragedies.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
		A lot of the cemeteries there are quite old.
		Yes.
		We have areas like that around here where we're at also.
		But there are so many locations that we would love to get to.
		Do you try mostly to go to older cemeteries?
		No, not necessarily.
		Where we go is to locations that have had reported haunting activity taking place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense, right?
unidentified		Okay.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Because I found cemeteries to be very interesting places to go through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, would you take a tape recorder and go to someplace like that in the middle of the night and sit there?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You sure bet I would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I'll.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I bet I would.
		I find cemeteries to be a very interesting piece of history.
		Oh, they're fantastic.
		They are.
		And the old headstones, some of the sayings on them are just beautiful.
		They are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well.
		Thank you so much.
		Right.
		You're very welcome.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group, Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hey, how are you doing?
		Okay.
		First of all, what I'm going to tell you is not any type of plug, but a little nervous, I guess.
		But I listen to your show a good bit, and Bob Fristle, F-R-I-S-S-E-L-L.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard the name, yes.
unidentified		A lot of the things that you say on your show, your guests say I identify with in some of his books.
		Okay.
		And what I called in for is I've been trying to get a friend to listen to your show.
		So when this one came on, I decided to record it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, you were in the middle of one of your voices, and the tape recorder went off, and I about jumped out of my skin.
unidentified		Thought you might get a laugh out of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean it just clicked off?
unidentified		It clicked off because it was at the end of the tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there'll be a lot of people who are not going to sleep fully soundly tonight.
unidentified		Well, I tell you I'm not.
		As a matter of fact, the room I'm in, I always feel uncomfortable in it, so.
		I will, and if I have any, I will send it to you.
		But he's definitely going to hear these tapes tomorrow, so I will listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you something that may worry you because it worries me all the time.
		When we sit around and we listen to things like this and we discuss things like this, in my opinion, and this is a studied opinion over, you know, 15 years of doing this, you invite the very thing that you're talking about.
		And so it makes, by magnitudes, it makes it more likely that something during the period of time you're listening to and thinking about all of this will occur.
		Simple as that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like an invitation.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And when we're out on investigations, I believe, just in going back over the tapes on the things that we're discussing at the times, most of the time when we get good EVP is when we're discussing what the topic is, the posts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, exactly.
		Exactly.
		So, I mean, that's something to actually consider for all of my listeners.
		When you listen to this sort of thing, discuss and think about this sort of thing, you do invite it.
		So don't be surprised.
		First time calling line, you're on the air with the GIS group.
		Good morning.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm basically in the vicinity of Beaufort, Georgia, headed towards Atlanta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, somewhere out there.
unidentified		Yes.
		Great show.
		You've had me on the edge of my seat all night, keep me awake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, just a great way to drive through the barren Georgia countryside.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Anyway, I've got plans on getting me a tape recorder and actually trying this myself.
		But I was curious, in one of the earlier playbacks, you had your guest, one of the comments was that this is the point where Roger got grabbed.
		Have they actually had physical encounters with spirits while they were doing things like this or entities?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
unidentified		Well, that clip right there that he's referring to, this over here is where Roger got grabbed, a few nights before that voice was recorded, Roger, GIS member Roger, had felt almost like a woman's hand grab his arm.
		I mean it was just, he said it was long bony fingers.
		And as I've mentioned before, I was slapped in that same cemetery, just kind of slapped on my wrist.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I've also stood there, Jenny, our other member, she has beautiful long black hair and I watched her hair get lifted up right in the middle of her head in the back.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It lifted up like somebody would lift her hair up.
unidentified		Golly.
unidentified		That's just unreal.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've had many, many encounters with them, physical encounters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pay attention to the road, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I always do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		The bony hand part.
		Well, I don't like that at all.
		Bony hand.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It kind of upset him.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He came rushing over to where everybody was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
		A bony hand.
		In other words, devoid of skin, just sort of sticks.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, he said he felt a crime.
		He felt with long fingers.
		They felt like long, thin fingers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, you folks, we're at the end of the, just about at the end of our trail here.
		Again, I want you to be able to plug your website.
		We've got a link on our site, but just in case, give them your website address.
		They can hear all kinds of EVP up there, right?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I believe we actually have something 150 EVP samples on there now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		The website is www.ghostpicspix.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they can email you there as well?
unidentified		Yes, they can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They can invite you to sites that you're able to get to.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sort of thing.
		I imagine one day somebody will call up and say, look, I'll sprout for your plane fare.
		I want you to come to so-and-so where we've got a haunting going on, and we'd like you to bring your equipment.
		You'll get that one of these days.
unidentified		And hopefully that'll happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would like to be drawn to some point on the earth that would be of particular great interest.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I suppose getting your plane fare paid or a place to stay, a hotel or something, wouldn't be unacceptable to the wonderful way you've conducted yourselves.
		So I hope you get that.
		Listen, you two.
		Thank you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Art.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's been a pleasure.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, both of you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Art.
		See you on the other side, if not sooner.
		From the high desert, Ta-Ta.
unidentified		I've been aware the eagle flies, rode his wings across all the skies, kissed the sun, and touched the moon.
		But he left me much too soon.
		His lady bird, he left his lady bird.
		Ladybird, come on down.
		I'm here waiting on the ground.
		Ladybird, I preach you goodbye.

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