Art Bell and Richard C. Hoagland debate NASA’s $15B Mars Odyssey findings, exposing "avalanche" claims as likely underground water seepage—65M-year-old deposits tied to a tidally locked Mars theory. Hoagland highlights geometric infrared patterns on Tharsis/Arabia, dismissed by NASA, resembling ancient ruins or artificial structures, with callers confirming unnatural designs. Meanwhile, Columbia’s $500M Hubble repair mission faces cooling system failure, risking early return due to launch vibrations. Hoagland’s script submission to RKO aligns with Odyssey’s science operations, fueling suspicions of suppressed evidence. The episode questions whether shadow governments—like Bush’s post-9/11 75-official continuity plan—hide Mars’ civilization clues to avoid societal upheaval, per the Brookings Report’s warnings. [Automatically generated summary]
Good morning, good afternoon, it says Al-Qaeda intelligent fighters are regrouping in the mountains of eastern Pakistan,
an eastern Pakistani province just over the border.
It says there are about four or five thousand of them.
So gee whiz, why don't we find out where they're regrouping and degroup them?
I would imagine they would cooperate to that degree in Pakistan, wouldn't they?
Let us particularly if they're, you know, like isolated in the mountains somewhere, we apparently have these little drone guys that can go and find a little speckle on the ground and deliver incredible ordinance to it instantly.
Those are some machines we've got buzzing around over there.
President Bush has agreed to Yemen's request to provide U.S. troops to train its military in combating terrorists.
That's interesting.
This is in an interview with a psychiatrist videotaped three weeks after she drowned her five children last summer, Andrea Yates said, get this, she believed she had to kill the children to keep them from going to hell.
On the tape, which was played during her capital murder trial, Yates said that after the bathtub drowning, she believed the state would execute her, Satan would be eliminated from the world, and the children would be saved.
Quote, these were their innocent ears, end quote.
God would take them up.
Former Enron chief executive Jeffrey Skilling says that he could not have overseen everything at the company and accuses lawmakers who have challenged his testimony of acting as judge and jury.
In an election year, he adds, Skilling said on Larry King Live that he believed he made the right decisions before Enron collapsed into the biggest bankruptcy in U.S. history.
That's an interesting line.
You think you made the right decisions just before the biggest bankruptcy in all of U.S. history is declared.
We're going to hear, we're going to break with a little bit of tradition tonight because there's a lot going on in space.
There's a lot going on on Mars.
Oh, man.
All kinds of breaking news.
Obviously, the kind of person you want to have around for that is Richard C. Hogan.
Space Shuttle Columbia blasted into orbit for the first time in more than two years today.
You know, it's interesting.
I forget what it was, 22 minutes after the hour, something like that.
It was 22 after.
And CNN headline was covering or about to cover the launch.
And the lady doing the, as a British would say, presenting, said the shuttle is due to launch, and it goes to a picture of the shuttle.
And you can see the shuttle engines beginning to ignite.
She said it's due to launch at 22 afternoon, and we will cover it.
And then, boom, they went to commercial.
You can actually, as they went to commercial, you could see the shuttle actually starting to launch.
So then when they came back from commercial, all they could do was give us tape.
I wonder how that happened.
Damn it, Frank!
You threw the wrong switch!
Maybe.
Anyway, they've got problems.
It's a cooling system, and it's a pretty big concern, I guess.
Maybe not enough to bring them back immediately, although I guess that was considered.
They may come back in a day.
They're going to have a meeting tomorrow, I guess, and decide what to do.
Richard will fill us in on what's really going on up there.
The Reverend Billy Graham apologized today for a 1972 conversation with former President Nixon, in which he said the Jewish stranglehold, oh wow, the Jewish stranglehold of the media was ruining the country and must be broken.
Speaking of the things we say, what the hell's wrong with Ted Turner anyway?
Here's a Fox News story headline.
Ted Turner says hijackers were brave men.
February 13th.
Most of the world praised the firefighters, rescue workers, and police officers as the courageous ones on September 11th, from our point of view, certainly.
Many of the bravest of all were the passengers who wrestled with their hijackers over Pennsylvania that day, you bet, causing their plane to go down in the mountains and preventing an even worse catastrophe.
But media mogul Ted Turner said Monday night that there were other brave people, the terrorists themselves, on the day of the World Trade Center, when it crumbled to the ground and a section of the Pentagon was destroyed.
Now, In a statement released Tuesday, Ted said his remarks were reported out of context and that he regrets any pain they may have caused.
That's the modern PC apology.
You know, you regret any pain that whatever you did caused.
All right, well, there's a lot of news.
The Bush administration, and I'm sure there's a lot of buzz about this out there, has activated Cold War-era plans for a shadow government.
Now, right away, they've chosen the wrong phrase here, shadow government.
Why would they use that?
What's the matter with those people?
Don't they read the conspiracy stuff on the internet?
Don't they know what people think of the phrase shadow government?
And so they're brazen.
They call it a shadow government, consisting of 75 or more senior officials who live and work secretly outside Washington in case the nation's capital is crippled by a terrorist attack.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, oh gee, now why would he want to be anonymous, said the operation has been in effect since the first hours after the September 11th terrorist attacks and has evolved over time.
And then, of course, you knew I was going to get emails about it, about the shadow government, and so I'm getting them.
And they raise some pretty good points, I would say.
Here's Les, who says, hey, Art, isn't the U.S. government supposed to have three branches executive, legislative, and judicial?
Separation of powers and all that, you know, right?
Well, how come Bush's shadow government only has one branch, apparently executive?
Well, it sounds like the man has created or rather admitted to have already being created is an emergency dictatorship that would not require legislative or judicial branches.
How convenient.
It is clear this shadow government is news to Congress.
So, you know, he makes a pretty good point here.
I mean, where's the you know, a shadow implies that you have some duplication, even if in a negative of the original, and there's a bunch of the shadow missing there.
The checks and balances, part of the shadow, they're missing.
On the other hand, you would expect, and you would even demand, that our government have some kind of plan just in case, you know, if Washington was blown to smithereens or the White House suffered an atomic attack, or God, you could imagine a million horrible scenarios with terrorism, right?
That there would have to be a continuance of government.
So I certainly understand that and that they should be doing that.
But why not make it some resemblance and some semblance of the government that you now know works so well?
I mean, it really does, for all the grumbling that we do about our government.
It's a pretty good system, you know.
The executive branch, the legislative branch, which is probably a pain in the neck to each other, but they are checks and balances.
And then, of course, the great judges who decide what the law of the land is.
Now, that just really does make a good combination, and it's kept us out of trouble a lot of times.
You know, with presidents who would have done things that, well, would have been way out of line.
You know, like grabbing power.
Well, you just can't do that.
You can't grab power here because there's too many checks and balances.
Your butt's going to jail.
But if you just have one branch, that's not good.
That's not a good shadow.
Maybe there's something about it that I haven't heard, but I didn't hear anything about those other branches.
Well, the rash stories.
What am I going to tell you about this?
As you know, the CDC is looking into what the hell this mystery rash is, now officially said to be in, well, I'll read you part of the CNN story.
Federal authorities are working with state and local health officials to determine the cause of mysterious rashes among school children, and I might add more, I'm adding that, in 14 widespread states.
It is not clear whether a single cause is behind the rashes, which tend to be mild and then go away by themselves.
The first outbreak happened in October in Indiana.
Subsequent cases have occurred as recently as February 21.
CDC, let's see, concluded in its morbidity weekly report.
Morbidity and mortality.
Ooh, how'd you like to be the person making out that report?
What do you do?
I make out the morbidity and mortality weekly report.
Probably put an attitude on you after you'd been doing that for a while.
The rashes have been reported primarily among elementary school students, though.
A few middle and high schoolers have been affected as well, said the report.
Listen, I'm here to tell you that almost every single state, I've heard from every state multiple times with regard to this rash.
Now, again, we may be bumping into the snowball effect.
I've got a rash too.
Or this may be absolutely...
How real the component is to this, I don't know yet.
I know I'm getting thousands of emails about rashes.
Thousands of emails.
So I wonder if they're really caught up on how widespread it is.
And it really is a mystery.
There are certain people who claim they know what it is, it has something to do with milk in the schools or something.
But now it's going into the general population.
That's what they're not reporting here.
That's one of the things they're not reporting.
They're not reporting, in my opinion, how really widespread it is at all.
And they're not reporting that it's gone beyond children.
But, you know, according to my reading, it absolutely has.
What's going on on Mars is really, really exciting stuff.
We'll talk about it in a moment or a little bit about it and a whole lot about it with Richard C. Hoagland.
But apparently, folks, what we're getting from the satellite circulating about Mars now is going to confirm a lot of very, I mean, really exciting things about Mars that there probably was, or you might even get a little more excited here, might be now life on Mars.
Maybe not as we know it, but you can almost bet that if there is, I mean, if water came up in volcanic spurts like Old Faithful, if there was that much water and there still is that kind of water underground and there's, you know, there's evidence of very recent water flow and there's even evidence of green stuff.
I mean, this is beginning to get to be fairly interesting.
That's why I thought Richard really ought to be here tonight.
Down at the South Pole, they talk about green stuff that seems to be, or, you know, maybe people are afraid to say it, but who knows?
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If there's that much water on Mars, then as Richard told us last time he was on, I'm sure is going to be telling us again now, that means there is fuel on Mars.
With water, you can make rocket fuel.
And that makes a trip to Mars very likely.
So in other words, the information coming now from the satellite may be what pushes us over the brink of our president, you know, getting on TV and saying, We have a national goal.
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A plume of hot volcanic mantle rock is rising beneath Africa right now.
The title of this article is BBC News.
The title of the article is Volcano Threatens to Divide Africa.
Volcanoes, plural, threaten to divide Africa.
So you've got this hot volcanic mantle rock rising beneath Africa.
And according to international researchers, it could eventually create, check it out, a new ocean.
The Ethiopian rift is one of the few places in the world where we can see the transition from continental rifting to something that looks more oceanic.
According to Dr. Cindy Ebinger, who told the BBC World Service Program, it's a unique area worldwide.
The crack in the Earth's surface runs for 2,000 kilometers.
So they're saying, with the right conditions, a series of volcanoes could divide Africa, if you can imagine that in your mind, divide Africa, and there would be a new ocean created, I guess, between.
Now, those are what I would dub as fairly serious earth changes.
How about you?
Then, of course, there's the big rock in Hawaii that, now that was treated as a fairly small story the other day.
But this rock up on the volcano is the size of Rhode Island.
That's a really big rock.
And it moves several inches.
One of our satellites caught this rock going several inches.
Now the bottom line is, they say if the rock falls into the Pacific Ocean from all the way up on the volcano, this will cause a very large wave.
They're saying about a hundred foot wave that would come crashing ashore around the entire Pacific rim.
That's everywhere.
You know, that's everywhere.
That's all up and down the American coast, you know, the South American coast, Alaska, Japan, China, the Philippines, all the way around.
A hundred-foot wave.
So that's a really big rock.
And so it moved three inches.
That's something to think about.
That was treated as a fairly small story, but it's a pretty big story, really.
That's a pretty serious movement.
Well, they think it is, anyway.
You know, they watch from satellite.
And so we haven't been watching movements like that a lot.
But still, it doesn't sound good to me.
When a big boulder is up there on the cliff and you're down there and you're looking up and the boulder begins to move, you usually go, uh-oh.
Or at least, uh-oh.
Right?
So I thought that story was a bit under-treated, actually.
Richard Hoagland is coming right up.
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Coming up is Richard C. Hoagland, one-time advisor to Walter C. Cronkite, one-time advisor to NASA, winner of the Ingstrom Science Award, man who has a great deal to say about what's going on in space, on Mars, and with the shuttle.
And all of those things are flat out on the table tonight, so it made sense to reach out to Richard.
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No, because there are some things that as we finish this draft, I actually thought at 3 o'clock in the morning, oh, damn it, I wanted to get that in.
So as part of this next round of discussion, which of course is what the budgeting and the stars are all based on, you know, we actually do a serious now budget profile.
We have a wish list, and what's really interesting, everybody, folks out there, is that the wish list includes a lot of people that you know who are household words, household names.
The first time we actually watched a launch, Walter got scared because they had built these big glass cubes sitting 3.5 miles from the launch pad with these huge windows so everybody could have a good view.
And the sound was so loud that we thought that the windows were going to shake loose from the frames and fall down on Cronkite and the whole assembled crew.
And then on subsequent launches, they did a lot of, brought engineers in and building contractors and they beefed them up a lot because the window was vibrating back and forth so much from this low frequency sound.
And then, as you know, today they announced a few hours after launch that they had a little bit of a problem, which is more than a little bit of a problem.
So what they have to do is they have to pump coolant through those mirror doors open to space to radiate the heat generated by the electronics and the crew in the shuttle, otherwise they would die of heat frustration.
And what's happened is that the Freon loop in one of the doors is not working.
And so they only have half the heat rejection capacity.
It's like living out there as you do in Perump in the middle of the summer in July with a temperature outside 115 and your air conditioner, you know, you've got maybe two or three, and you lose two of them.
You've got one left.
Or trying to broadcast from a studio where you're supposed to keep the electronics nice and chilly and you lose your air conditioners.
And it's like what you normally see on Star Trek, where there's a main problem in engineering and they shut down everything but environmental controls.
To do the spacewalks, the five spacewalks, and to do the full-up mission for the 11 days to refurbish Hubble, they will need both radiators in good shape with coolant flowing through them because there's an awful lot of heat generated by a factor of shuttle mission.
In other words, there's no real way they can get at that in a spacesuit, because if it's inside those mirrored sides of the clamshell doors, then it means that it's already evaporated into space.
Well, this was the other part of that mission that was supposed to be carried out.
That's why they call it 3B as opposed to 3A.
3A was the emergency of maybe about a year ago where they had to replace some gyros and some other things.
This mission was supposed to take place now and be mission 3, the third Hubble replacement mission for gear.
They're basically swapping out old equipment and putting in brand new instruments, and some of them are really cool, like the advanced camera for surveys.
It's going to make Hubble ten times better.
The pictures are going to be 10 times better than we've been seeing, and we've been seeing some amazing pictures.
Put in a nutshell, they could stay in space safely for the allotted period of time, but they couldn't do their job.
There's no point in the risk, I'm sure they will decide, and the appropriate thing to do is bring them back, can't fix it, bring them back, so that's what they'll do.
You could actually see in some of the launch footage this afternoon that they downlinked from the shuttle, when they taped during ascent, you could see them sitting in their couches.
And I mean, these couches are massive, bolted structures to the framework of the shuttle itself, and they're vibrating back and forth by as much as two or three inches.
That's the amount of power and the amount of vibration that's shaking everything in that spacecraft.
That's why they call them space-rated systems.
It's not so much what happens when you're in orbit.
so the x whatever it is to go to the moon well with refueling you could That's the hard part because you can't use the really efficient technologies.
For instance, you know, there is hell to pay if you try to use nuclear power to go from Earth's surface to Earth orbit for a whole bunch of very valid reasons, environmental and other.
You don't want to use the incredible energy of a nuclear power source to get you that first step.
If you had a catastrophic explosion during launch, and you had a nuclear reactor, the fear is that you would wind up spreading nuclear material over six states.
So if you divided it up and built it in space, that would be the way you'd get around the safety problems in the environmental, which are very, very germane.
Remember, there's a little atmosphere even at the altitude of the shuttle and the space station.
That's why when the shuttle goes and visits the space station, part of its mission always is to do an orbit burn that boosts the altitude with the excess fuel that it carries up.
So the station goes up a few miles higher.
And so it's constantly going up and then coasting down against air friction.
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NASA officials decided to continue the mission of the Space Shuttle Columbia despite problems with the cooling system.
MMT meeting that we just concluded agreed that we would continue the mission for the next 24 hours while we continued to review data and look at our processing records and our workmanship or modification records to see if there was anything that we can determine might be unusual.
Shuttle program manager Ron Dittmore says depending on the condition of one of the Threon loops in the shuttle's cooling system, the mission may have to be terminated early and the shuttle brought home on Saturday.
Columbia is on a mission to repair the Hubble Space Telescope.
Former Enron President Jeffrey Skilling uses the forum of Larry King show Friday night to sound off against his treatment by members of Congress.
Lawmakers have grilled him about the energy trading giant's collapse.
Skilling issued an accusation of his own.
Well, I think, you know, I certainly think that the Congress was acting as judge and jury.
I don't think the Congress was acting as a fact-finding entity trying to figure out what happened, which is the reason I was trying to help fill in the missing pieces.
President Bush says the U.S. has created a shadow government to make sure there's an ongoing leadership should disaster ever strike the nation's capital.
He has confirmed representatives of key government agencies have been working in secret underground bunkers for the past six months.
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It closed 263 points higher at 10-369.
That puts it just over 4% for the week, something prudential analyst Brian Petarski calls a constructive day.
Looks like March came in like a lion, or at least like a bull.
The third straight day, we had excellent economic news on the Street of Dreams, but unlike prior two sessions, it did not fade.
So what we had was basically some follow-through and a willingness for some traders to take home long positions over the weekend.
I think all said and done, it's a step in the right direction, yet follow-through remains to be seen.
Good news also drove the NASDAQ composite up for its first winning week in more than a month.
The SP 500 also rose.
Yes, it's still winter.
A storm that's already unleashed half a foot of snow around Denver is heading across the Great Plains.
A few flakes are already falling into the Dakotas and Nebraska, but Chicago is under a winter storm advisory.
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We're learning some extraordinary information, but the bizarre thing art is that NASA today played it like a cold fish.
I mean, we have some stunning news to announce tonight, and I wanted enough time to go into the implications, because that's what science is.
It's not just the evidence, it's what it means, what the context is.
And these guys sat on this panel this afternoon for 45 minutes and basically said almost nothing compared to what we have got in the way of evidence, the data now.
They totally underplayed their pre-billing.
There was a leak by Leonard David, who's an old friend of mine, who writes now for Space.com, who was talking to the guys at the University of Arizona, you know, the ones that are in charge of the Odyssey camera, this theme is camera that can see in the visible and the infrared.
This is the graphic that was presented by Dr. William Boynton, who is the principal investigator from the University of Arizona of the Gamma-ray spectrometer on Odyssey.
The gamma-ray spectrometer is a gadget.
It's actually three instruments in one.
It measures gamma rays, which is where it got its name, which are very high-energy beyond the X-ray region of the spectrum, electromagnetic waves.
And they come basically from nuclear reactions.
When cosmic rays hit stuff, you, me, the atmosphere, they generate gamma rays.
The other two instruments in this suite of instruments on the Odyssey spacecraft are two neutron detectors.
You know, back in good old high school when you were learning atomic physics and all that, and there were fundamental particles, protons and electrons and neutrons.
Well, neutrons are one of the building blocks of all matter.
When cosmic rays interact with materials on planets, particularly with water, they give off neutrons and or gamma rays.
So it's kind of like the signature, the fingerprints of water.
And that's what this instrument is looking for, is the telltale fingerprints of water 250 miles below Odyssey as it orbits the planet.
This gadget is listening or looking, because it's not really imaging.
It's sensing with detectors these neutrons or gamma rays.
And it has about a 300, no, 180-mile footprint underneath.
In other words, its pixel size is 180 miles.
So if you can imagine Mars covered with spots, each 180 miles wide, and it's been in orbit now for, what, since October, November, December, January, February, March.
It's been in orbit for almost 1,000 orbits of Mars.
So it's been covering the planet.
So what they did is they produced global maps as Boynton and his team did.
Now, the black outline going around the graphic is basically the separation between the heavily cratered southern hemisphere and the more lightly cratered northern hemisphere.
And you can see that this graphic extends to the equator.
Now, what you want to do is to take the colors that you see, the blues, the reds, the yellows, the greens, and translate them into the presence or absence of neutrons.
Now, here's where things get a little dicey.
Water, if it's down there, is composed of hydrogen and oxygen, H2O.
The hydrogen will interact very strongly with the neutrons.
That's why water is used in nuclear reactors to moderate neutrons.
That's why they call it a moderator.
Gotcha.
So in this case, the absence of evidence is the evidence of the absence.
We said that the water that we would find on Mars would be concentrated in two regions around the equator on opposite sides of the planet in a bimodal distribution.
You'll see there's a lot of missing neutrons in the middle where the polar cap is, which means down to 60 degrees south, it's water down there.
Gobs and gobs and gobs of water.
Of course, it's in the form of ice.
It's frozen because it's very cold.
But if you look at the upper right at about the 1 o'clock position and the lower left at about the 7 o'clock position, you'll see there's blue there too.
That blue is on the Arabia and Tharsis bulges.
Corresponding now, we move to the center graphic.
Corresponding to the MOLA map, remember, Mars surveyor carries a laser and was able to generate altitude maps.
And it found there are two regions on Mars that bulge above the mean datum or the, quote, sea level, even though Mars doesn't have seas anymore.
One is Tharsis, huge set of volcanoes on a huge uplift.
And on the opposite side of the planet, all right, scroll down just a tad on your screen, you'll see it named Arabia.
If you look at the geometry of the Tharsis and Arabia bulges, compare it to now the graphic on the right, the Hen graphic, of the neutron blue, moderate absence of neutrons indicating absorption by water, by hydrogen down there, they are exactly the same.
The only thing you have to do is make a transform in your mind because the graphic from MOLA is looking at the North Pole.
What I was doing here was showing people, everybody who's looking at this site now, that the correspondence of the high and low points on Mars corresponds to the two bilobed water distribution as outlined by Dr. Boynton this afternoon.
They put together a map of hundreds and hundreds of these stains, which NASA claims are avalanches, dust.
And Ephron and Jill and I are absolutely firmly on Mike Barrett.
I shouldn't forget Mike because he did a tremendous amount of work on this.
We are of the opinion, we were of the opinion, that the seeps, the stains, were water melting from underground ice and leaking out on the surface.
And when I saw the two positions, the Tharsis Rise and the Arabia Bulge, where they're concentrated, as you can see on Ephraim's map, that's where I got the data to say, well, Mars may have been a satellite of a bigger planet, a la Tom Van Flandern.
And Gil Levin, remember Gil Levin, the scientist that biosphere...
And it turns out now that we have been misled in thinking that because the atmospheric pressure is so low, that water would just evaporate and never form a little pond.
In fact, for several hours, if you had enough water coming up from underground, you would have a puddle.
It would be just sunlight warming the surface, and it percolates down through the rock and eventually warms it up within a few feet of the surface.
What's crucial about what they announced today, I mean, this is absolute data and it's only going to get better because this is low-sensitive data.
When they extend the boom on the gamma-ray instrument, which they'll do in about a month, they'll increase their sensitivity because they're basically hugging the body of the spacecraft, and the presence of the spacecraft is interfering with the clarity of the signal.
But The signal is so strong, as Dr. Boynton pointed out, that even in this position, which was only supposed to be calibration, I mean, this is literally just a few days of data.
That is the exquisite $64 million question, because this is the news out of today's press conference.
Mars data from this spacecraft, totally untouched by Hoagland and colleagues, is totally affirming the tidal model.
The implications of that are a revolution in our understanding of not just Mars, of the solar system.
Because what it means is that Mars at one time was tidally locked as a moon, as a satellite, orbiting a big guy in the asteroid belt.
And either that planet blew up, a la Tom Van Flandern, or collided with something, a la our alternative model.
But in any case, it was blown to snitherenes.
And Mars was set free relatively late in the history of the solar system as an independent planet with an eccentric orbit and with a bizarre history.
Because when a planet blows up or is smashed into rubble in your front yard, really bad things happen to the place you're standing on.
So the catastrophe, the southern zone of intense cratering and all that, which the mainstream guys at NASA keep claiming is old, old, old, you know, as old as the solar system, uh-uh, it's young.
And the death knell of science is when scientists don't think big enough.
Remember, it's not the far-outness of your ideas.
It's the ability to test those ideas, which is the hallmark of good science.
And on this program and on our website and around the world, we published a model that said this is what the GRS is going to find when they publish their data.
My friend Arthur Clark is maintaining staunchly, sitting there in his lush paradise of Sri Lanka, half a planet away tonight, that there are big banyan-type trees at the South Pole of Mars.
Well, look at the right-hand graphic.
Look at the gobs and gobs of water.
Some reporter today, a very bright gal, works for the Los Angeles Times, who was one of the really curious folks that asked the question, she said, Dr. Boynton, can you quantify how much water is down there?
But he said, for things like aluminum, you know, the spacecraft is built out of aluminum.
So if you have your detector sitting right next to aluminum panel and you're 250 miles above aluminum on Mars, you're going to have a signal-to-noise problem until you extend your boom out away from your spacecraft.
There are something like four billion stars in our galaxy alone, and There are billions of other galaxies.
Each of those stars are potential suns just like ours.
And that means that if one out of every million of those stars has planets around it, and one out of every million of those has some kind of life on it, then the numbers tell us that the chances are very, very great that there is life out there someplace.
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Coast to coast AM with Ardell asks you, how secure are you?
Well, I mean, our take on it is a little different than the NASA folks you would talk to, because our take is that the human race is not going to figure out who it is until it goes to Mars and finds out why that face is lying near at Sidonia.
That the human race somehow had a genesis connected with Mars, with an exquisite civilization.
Well, the face aside for a moment, Richard, is there likely to be anything on Mars below the surface that might be found that would indicate, or even on the surface for that matter, that would indicate that there was life on Mars previously, a large life, perhaps even intelligent life?
Well, if you read the title paper, you'll see that the title model says that Mars, as it orbited this bigger planet, basically experienced a temperate environment similar to the Earth's for about as long as the Earth's.
Remember, life on Earth made its huge explosion into complex forms leading to us about half a billion years ago.
The whole point is that if Mars had this incredible environment that this tidal model now says it had, then the evolution of complex life was almost inevitable.
Particularly when you take into account factors that we're working on that we haven't published yet, having to do with the hyperdimensional model, which gets to the question of why if evolution is an absolute, that it has to occur given certain conditions which you claim were present on Mars, there definitely would have been life, perhaps intelligent life on Mars.
If you look at the moon tonight, anybody who's outside, take a board of radio, go out and look at the moon.
You were looking at the same side of the moon you see tonight, tomorrow night, the next night, a month, a year, ten years, a thousand years.
Because the moon rotates around the Earth in the same amount of time that it takes to spin on its axis.
That's called a tidal lock.
If the moon was not airless, if the moon had water, there would be a big bulge of water on this side, several hundred feet high, and a big bulge of water on the far side, the side that we can't see from the Earth.
At the pole, frozen like the water we see on Mars now in this data.
But if the moon could support an atmosphere and water in a liquid state, if there was enough pressure to maintain it as a liquid, you would have two bulges of water on both sides exactly like we're seeing in this Mars data tonight.
So what that is telling us, I mean, we're talking very simple laws of physics here, fundamental, unbreakable laws of planetary physics.
That distribution of water says that the tidal model is real, that Mars experienced the extraordinary history that I and then Flanner and others have said it has, and that it had a half a billion-year window to develop as complex a life form as is talking on the air tonight to you.
Look, in the next few weeks, remember Christensen, the head of the Themis camera, who presented a pretty amazing image today and again, completely downplayed its significance.
Well, in other words, if you look at the center one, there's a particularly striking outline that looks lower or more jagged or away from a little bit.
I think we're looking at buried remains of a huge ancient Martian city.
Remember, the Themis data is coming not just from the surface, but from under the surface, because when you cover things with dust, the dust acts like an insulator, like a blanket.
Which has never made any sense to me, and they say it too.
You know, when I have the NASA guys on, they say, you know, if we found what we even thought might be a hint of life, we would be screaming it from the top of our lungs because NASA would get funding and we could go to Mars and we could do everything we wanted.
Because, and I've said this again over and over and again, our model now, our political model, forget the science now, the political model of what's been going on with NASA is you are stuck between a rock and a hard place between the hard Brookings guys who basically claim that civilization would implode if we find out that we're not the king of the walk.
You know, he also thinks that Muslims are bad people.
So we put Robertson where he belongs.
The fact is that there is a large percentage of the body politic which believes that this would be the worst thing ever for religious reasons.
And I am coming to believe that the reason that we don't have, quote, disclosure and the reason we don't have scientists sitting on a dais and saying, look at these amazing pictures, we've got to go there and find out what this really means, is because of the religious implications for the politically correct that believe that if they were to put this out on the table, we would destroy ourselves.
They really believe Brookings.
I mean, look, you're kind of a liberal kind of guy when it comes to this stuff, and you believe Brookings.
I mean, we don't know what this is because we don't have enough resolution yet.
But we could.
We could.
It's all a matter of money and focusing and public pressure.
I think that Christensen and his guys know exactly what's down there.
And the reason they know what's down there is because in 1989, the Soviet Union, back when it was the Soviet Union, sent two missions to Mars, Phobos 1 and Phobos 2, named after the inner moon.
Phobos 1 got a wrong command, we were told, and self-destructed electromagnetically in September of 1988 after being lost in July.
Phobos 2 made it all the way to Mars, went into orbit in January, and on March 1st, precisely 13 years prior to this afternoon, took a picture in the infrared a few miles away from this picture art, which we have on our website.
Just go to Enterprise and look at tonight's second story.
After the We Are Right story, which is today's story, look at yesterday's, which is the game's afoot again.
And you will find a series of images, including the missing infrared image for the last 13 years.
We found it.
We dug it up.
And we put it out there.
It shows the most astonishing regular geometry a few miles away from this picture, which looks for all the world like a buried city.
In fact, Dr. John Becklake of the London Museum of Science, who put up a huge exhibit on this in 1989, he stood in front of that exhibit and he said, basically, it looks like Los Angeles.
Yeah, and now if you scan further down, I've now got close-ups of the close-up and look at the geometry and look at the octagons and the little slanted.
Okay, now this was from the Soviets.
So the FEMAS guys, Christensen and NASA, they've known what was there.
What are the odds on a planet which has 15 million square miles that they will take a picture over the hill from the Soviet picture exactly 13 years ago and hold a press conference 13 years ago to the hour From the ones the Soviets held, talking about the same kind of stuff.
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For now, the Space Shuttle Columbia will stay right where it is, roughly 400 miles straight up.
A problem with the cooling system is not serious enough to bring the oldest shuttle back to Earth immediately, but it is cause for concern.
Mission managers decided to keep the crew in orbit for at least one more day while they consider all the options.
Shuttle program manager Ron Dittmore says the crew is not in any immediate danger.
Not in a condition where we have to come home early at this time.
Our initial looks at the system show it to be stable, even with the degradation.
Shuttle managers will discuss the situation again Saturday afternoon.
A jury in Houston has seen the first visual proof of Andrea Yates' mental illness.
A videotape showing a gaunt Yates explaining why she drowned her five children was played in court.
The video shows Yates just three weeks after the murders.
Her rail-thin body is motionless except for the constant clenching of her jaws.
Prosecutors want the death penalty.
Her lawyers claim she was insane.
President Bush is talking about retirement, not his, yours, namely pensions.
In Iowa, the president proposes reforms in the pension laws, letting private citizens invest their own Social Security.
The best way to battle an economic slowdown is to get people your own money back so you can spend it.
And as you spend it, it encourages new products and jobs.
This is USA News.
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USA's John Decker now reports Democrats and Republicans are accusing each other of injecting politics into the war on terrorism.
Republicans said it was Tom Daschell, the Senate's majority leader, who was plunging into politics.
The dust-up began when, in response to questions by reporters, Daschell said that while the fight against terrorism has been successful so far, the continued success is still somewhat in doubt.
The president did not respond to Daschell's criticism of the war effort, but other Republicans were direct in criticizing Daschell, including Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott and House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, who called it disgusting.
John Decker, USA Radio News, Washington.
March roars in like a lion.
A storm that's already left half a foot of snow around Denver is now heading east across the Great Plains.
Few flakes are already falling over the Dakotas and Nebraska, but meteorologists say the heaviest snow is scheduled for the Milwaukee and Chicago areas, where they are under winter storm advisories.
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The bulls run a rampage as investors sent the Dow Jones Industrial Average to its highest closing mark in six months.
The stampede follows a litany of sunny economic reports.
Rises in manufacturing orders, retail sales, and constructions lifted the Dow 2.5%.
It closed at $10,369.
NASDAQ and the SP 500 also gained.
A man who will turn 101 years old next month crashed his car in front of the West Palm Beach driver's license facility.
It was moments after making an appointment to renew his license.
Murray Silver, whose doctors found him fit to drive during the day, pulled out of the facility and struck a car driven by a 47-year-old woman.
She was treated and released.
Neither Silver nor a somewhat younger 75-year-old passenger in his car were hurt.
If the Century Village resident's license is renewed next week, he'll be authored to drive until he is age 106.
Okay, we're going to perform an experiment here for the next little while.
And what I want everybody out there to do is to hang up.
Hang up.
Stop calling me.
And only those people who have been to the Enterprise mission site and have been following along with us, you're the only ones I want to call for a little while here.
And I'll tell you why.
It's because the Mars pictures that we just got today, indeed, Richard really is right.
When you go over and you look at what he's got at the Enterprise mission, and if you're used to looking at satellite photography, this really, to me, looks like a city from space, taken from space.
Looks like Los Angeles might look almost from space.
Really close, actually.
And so I would be interested in hearing from those of you who have seen the photographs that we're talking about, and that'll be a service to those who don't have the capability to see these photographs as well.
If we hear only from those who have seen this photograph over on Enterprise Mission, hopefully you followed from the photographs we got today over to the Enterprise Mission main page and then down to the Phobos II infrared Mars photograph.
I would like to begin to answer some calls only from those of you that have seen this photograph.
And I would like your opinion to some of you average folk out there who are able to look at this.
And you tell me, you tell me what you think we're looking at.
Are we looking at a city?
Now, if we're really looking at a city, then in my mind, to go to the face on Mars would not be as profitable as to land right near the city here.
That's just me.
If this really is you know, and the geometry here really does look like a city in space or what would be left of a c a city.
You know, it really does look that way.
I don't have to use my imagination to see this.
It's pretty obvious.
So I would like to dip into the color pool here, but only those that have actually seen this, if you're sitting there looking at it yourself, I think you could tell us whether we're delusional or whether you're seeing the same thing.
It would be a great service.
So if everybody who's not calling about that would please, we get to open lines here in a little bit, just hang up and let everybody who is able to see this pick up the phone and call.
If you would be so kind as to do that for the next little while, we'll run through some calls and we'll see what people who are also seeing this have to say.
Be right back.
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When I took him to see Santa, he asked for his brother and his sisters back.
And I had to explain that Santa Claus can't bring them back.
They live in heaven now.
Sarah, Taylor, and Brandy Wiggins were killed by a drunk driver.
And all I want is people who have actually seen the same photographs we're looking at right now.
And this will be a service not only to those people, but to all of you out there who are not looking at them so you can sort of get the opinion of the average person.
If the Martians, our great, great, great, great ancestors in this model, were bigger, I mean significantly bigger, so that instead of having buildings the size of, you know, tenths of a city block, they were the size of a couple miles.
There is a lot of mythology on Earth regarding both in Genesis and other places.
My belief is, my model here is that these aren't myths.
These are history.
Distorted and warped by an immense amount of time to where church fathers today, if you look them in the eye and say, well, what about those Nephilim, those giants?
They'll basically blow you off.
They will not address the question.
That's the political contingent art that doesn't want to grapple with this data.
And it's in part the contingent that's funding NASA.
That's just in the eyes of those that don't want us to go.
When you look at what we spend money on in this society, particularly on the weapons, we've got enough money now in George Bush's new budget for defense, $49 billion, to go to Mars five times over.
Who is the bright genius who was obviously a friend of yours and mine in the Pentagon who leaked a story the other day about the Office of Disinformation or whatever they call it?
In other words, sometimes your friends are the ones that put the names out so that people will see the truth for what it is.
And looking at that color image to me, you know, it really reminds me of an aerial view of Portland, actually.
I mean, it's sitting there right below the hills and just above the water level.
It would look like a water level with all that red stuff.
And then you look across the opposite side of the river, you know, and there's that little smaller settlement for the folks that feel they've got to live over there.
And then that close-up on the lower right, or just to the right of Phobos Thermal IR, I mean that sure looks a lot like building rooftops with their duck reducts and all that.
And yes, this stuff's definitely like an ancient city buried under dust and whatever, you know, being sitting there for eons just waiting for somebody to discover it again.
And, Richard, it's a pleasure to talk to you, by the way.
Thank you.
I used to work in a print shop, and we used to have guys come in from the state of Rhode Island to reproduce aerial maps of the state when they would build a highway.
It's like you turn the water up a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, and you test and you test and you test.
Because remember, Brookings scared some of the mainstream folks to death.
It said we would all go crazy if we found out we weren't alone.
If we found out the Nephilim came from Mars, that the men of renown in the Bible were actually from another planet and not angels, there are a lot of people that would be a tad unhappy at that.
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How long do you think the American government has known about it and kept it secret?
I have quotes from the science advisor to Dwight Eisenhower, Dr. S. Fred Singer, regarding Phobos as a huge artificial moon placed in orbit around Mars by ancient races of Martians.
And we'll do more later when we have more time to discuss the politics of this, because we can't just let this stand.
I mean, we've got to do something.
Since 12 people out of 12 people see what's there, and an agency we're paying $15 billion of our money doesn't see what's there, there's something rotten in not Denmark, but right here at home.
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Well, the market finally had a really good day on Friday.
And it's about time.
But what does the future hold?
It's really hard to say.
We may be coming out of the recession.
We may languish in it for a while longer.
Really hard to say.
But it doesn't matter.
When there's volatility, and it was up, what, 260 plus points down?
When there's a lot of volatility, you want to have a balanced portfolio.
And that's what gold does for you.
It gives you balance.
Market down, gold up.
And so you don't have all your eggs sequestered in one basket.
Did you know some gold investments went up over 30% last year?
That's right.
If your broker hasn't told you about gold, well, Lear Financial sure will.
You might ask your broker why Forbes and Financial Times and even Merrill Lynch, those should be names you know, are all reporting big money is moving into gold.
You know, the government right now is not telling us the totality of what they know because I just know that because of what I know, I'm getting thousands of emails from all over the country.
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I heard you talking about rashes on your show.
And from what I remember, it was a back east caller, and I never connected to what was happening until me and my wife really got to talking about it.
And a lot of times I'm sleeping, getting ready to go to work.
I can't listen to the complete show, but it's just anything we use.
There's no lotion out there that will get rid of this.
And the fact that you could maybe look at what we have one set of parallel lines and say, okay, but you've got parallel lines all over the place going horizontally and vertically.
I agree.
And even to the point where you can see large courtyards in the middle of buildings.
And it's funny how these announcements seem to be coming out in bunches, like there was the one the other week about Earth's rotation slowing down because of CO2 emissions.
Somehow I picture Dick Cheney sitting behind this giant oak desk with an American flag and the presidential seal about 500 feet down below the ground, you know?
And that's probably not all that far from reality either.
So, yeah, the government's got to be prudent, of course, and they've got to take steps to see to it there is a continuation of government, but I thought that would mean a continuation of the constitutional form of government that we have come to so love and cherish.
That government to which we have become so accustomed.
Bitch about it as we do.
It's the one that works with the checks and counter-checks and the guys and gals on the Supreme Court and all those senators and troublesome congressional people and then the executive branch.
And that's kind of the way we've always thought of it.
It doesn't seem the way this is, the shadow government.
But this is why they won't release the information to us.
Because just as September 11th affected our economy, if they would release this information to us, it would have such a tremendous effect on our economy and our lives and our governments themselves.
Supposedly, and those who were in power by uses of subtle magic back in the ancient days or whatever were priests.
And they were the religious leaders, and it's just carried on, so forth and so forth.
And since not too many of us have near-death experiences, but then we could even be conditioned to that and our own beliefs, the near-death experience.
I think in order to suddenly accept something of this magnitude, there would have to be a worldwide spiritual renaissance of some incredible magnitude.
Otherwise, there'd be no acceptance of this.
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There'd be utter chaos.
It would take God himself to come down and say, hey, look, I'm real.
I'm here.
And this is the religion, period.
This is my way.
And it would take that being to zap millions of his opponents, Lucifer, in order for this all to come about.
I mean, the Antichrist is supposed to come and solve, seemingly solve all of our problems and lift us out of the day-to-day drudgery of the world and to, you know, all those promises.
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And exactly what it preaches, if God were to come down and show us the things and solve all of our problems, just like you're saying, none of us would believe it because we're so wrapped up in the religious rhetoric that none of us would accept it as being.
About a week ago today, the weather changed about six times from total cloud over pouring down rain to clear blue skies or black skies in about a period of half an hour.
And I just thought that was really strange.
Also with these kids with the rashes showing up all over, we have some kids in our local town that have it.
Could be something the shadow government thought up.
Shadow government.
I just, you know, it's beyond all reason that they would have come up with that name.
Anybody trying to think of a name that would be palatable for public consumption and who had spent even five nerdy minutes on the internet reading some of the conspiracy theory stuff that's going on, the shadow government is the very last thing they would have called it.
The very last thing.
There could have been 10 million names before they would come up with the shadow government.
That's what they came up with.
First time caller online, you're on the air.
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Hello.
Hello.
Yes, first time I've ever called.
Well, it's great.
Look, I want to suggest a guest for you that would really be a good thing for you.
He's an anti-drug prohibition lawyer, Joseph McNamara.
Okay, look, give me an alternative theory that is as compelling to withhold that kind of information.
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Now, let's say, okay, the accomplishment of the guy that built the Coral Castle was quite phenomenal, yet very few people even know that that happened.
Let's say that some of these discoveries led to an open knowledge of giving people the ability to do similar things, like, you know, build their own pyramids.
Was there any sign that they knew you were seeing them?
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I got up and I went in my grandma's room and I could not sleep there anymore.
I got up and I could not sleep there anymore.
USA Radio Network News, I'm L.P. Phillips.
They flew to repair the Hubble telescope, but now the Space Shuttle Columbia's mission is under the microscope.
Columbia will stay in space for at least another 24 hours after mission control engineers notice a problem with the cooling system shortly after takeoff.
Shuttle program manager Ron Dittmore says the problem is a freon launch.
According to our flight rules, we look at this degradation as being near our limits where we would decide whether we continue to fly the flight for the full mission or not.
Dittmore says the shuttle would be able to find a way to finish the whole mission, but a final decision won't be made until this afternoon.
We may just be learning about it, but evidently the Pentagon is claiming the idea of a shadow government is nothing new at all.
Its operations are appropriate after the events of September 11th.
Spokeswoman Victoria Clark says such government backup systems have been around for decades.
It is absolute common sense.
It is absolutely appropriate that the government should have all the parts and all the pieces in place.
So in case of a crisis, in case of an emergency, the government can and will continue to function.
This has been in place for years, for decades, I think probably since the earliest days of the Cold War.
So that's been in place for some time, and everyone in the government is doing what's absolutely appropriate.
A videotape showing a gaunt Andrea Yates explaining why she drowned her five children gave the first visual proof of her mental illness to a Houston jury.
This is USA Radio News.
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The Pentagon says the Taliban and Al-Qaeda troops are gathering in Afghanistan to possibly mount another effort against the U.S. troops, as we hear in this report from USA's John Decker.
The Pentagon is gathering intelligence on pockets of hundreds of suspected al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters regrouping near the city of Gardez in eastern Afghanistan.
The Pentagon said no action has been taken yet, but it could be a focus of upcoming operations in the mountainous area near Pakistan.
It would be up to Army General Tommy Franks, the head of the U.S. Central Command with responsibility for the war, to decide if and when to move against the Pocket.
John Decker, USA Radio News, Washington.
Linda Tripp, the woman who brought us Monica Lewinsky, now has a new problem of her own.
The former Pentagon worker has breast cancer.
She made the revelation through her lawyers who say she is showing great courage and good dignity and is encouraging people to pray for her.
This is USA Radio News.
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Packages containing caustic sodium hydroxide were reportedly mailed to government officials in England, including Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Blair is currently out of the country in Australia.
Stocks ended the day much higher Friday.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average rallied up 262 points to close at 10,368.
S ⁇ P 500 NASDAQ also closing higher.
A Pasadena Maryland man may have caught a falling star.
While starting his van Saturday night, he noticed something strange in the sky, so Dale Pierce went behind a mall where he found a soda can-sized projectile that left a three-foot blue, green, and red trail.
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It may be the fifth meteorite ever found in Maryland and the first in more than 80 years.
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Anything you want to talk about is absolutely fair game.
Well, I have not read the Brookings report on the web.
I guess that's where one can, because I don't have a computer.
So do I understand correctly that you've been saying that their conclusion is that people would be rioting in the streets because of for religious reasons?
Well, if, yes, basically, that's a pretty crude way of putting it, but that's basically right, that religious Groups would not be able to adjust easily at all to such news.
That in fact, that scientists themselves would be perhaps the biggest group upset, that all of their paradigms would crumble around them, that everything we thought about ourselves that was true is not necessarily true.
It would be a pretty big upset, man.
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See, what I'm wondering, as far as the religious part of it is concerned, I can see other reasons for there being rioting in the streets, which maybe I could explain in a minute.
But what I was thinking was that we're only one country in the world.
This is something that would concern the entire world.
Absolutely.
We are unusually religious in this country.
Our religiosity is looked at sort of askance by many of the most civilized countries.
Yeah, and you know, recently I heard a report on the radio, and they mentioned the percentage that about 7% of people in France and England claim to be religious.
And even in the Catholic countries, people are not as religious or don't claim to be either believers or churchgoers as much as people in this country do.
We have more in common with the Islamic fundamentalists if what we say is to be believed.
But, you know, I really think that the actual number of people in this country who are very religious is really much smaller.
And the fundamentalists, who would be the people who would be really upset, are a very small number of people who happen to be in power to some degree right now.
The thing I'm really worried about is that, you know, Cheney, what he's been up to.
And, you know, if he's got the National Guard and if he's got the militia guys in Montana and Wyoming, you know, brought into the fold, you know, he's told the world.
Well, but I am worried about, and in fact, this would even give a raison d'être for why they've been creating this sort of totalitarian framework because they fear what might happen when, you know, if and when things get out, if there are things to get out.
Hey, listen, I have two questions on Mars, but first I'd like to say that on the religious reaction to the findings on Mars, it would seem everybody says omnipotent describing God, but then they try to limit his creative imaginings.
So my first question is, with looking at the photographs, the wide spectrum of scans they have available, thinking about George Sr. and George Jr., both men in the oil, fuel, and energy industries, I was wondering if there's ever been any readings or possible suggestions of energy, an energy source on the surface of Mars.
But my other question was, has anyone ever speculated that instead of Martians coming to Earth, that Atlanteans may have gone to the moon, staged from there to Mars?
Listen, it's because you had a story about, what, three, four weeks ago, of this one lady that went through a whole life change with a near-death experience, and now she has a whole point of a different point of view of life altogether.
There aren't too many people you can think of that I haven't had on over the years.
You know, I've been on the air a lot of years.
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But there are a few out there.
And so anytime anybody has a suggestion about anybody they want on, I always tell them the following.
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Hello, Art.
Yes.
I've always been curious about this ever since I started listening to your show regularly about a year ago.
I first heard about it in 1998.
And I believe that I have met you and had a conversation with you a long time ago, about 14 years ago, and I was about 15 then.
And I talked to a man named Art who didn't say what his last name was.
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Well, all right, I've decided we are going to have a shadow government seal contest.
Now, what is that?
Well, when you presently see the President of the United States, when you generally see the President of the United States addressing the country, there is the seal of the President of the United States right there.
It's very formative.
It's very formidable.
It's what we're all used to seeing and comforted by.
But, you know, the shadow government would have to have a different seal because, as I understand it, there is only one branch.
The other branches are just not there.
So the shadow government seal would have to be different.
Now, I know some of you out there have really grand imaginations.
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We will have a shadow government seal contest.
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As what I just said, I have no qualms or fears regarding what Richard C. Hoagland said regarding Sidonia, the face on Mars, or the other things on Mars.
The gist of what I'm talking about can be summed up in a phrase: we have to live in the real world.
We have to live in reality.
Now, the real world about science and particularly the scientific method.
Another word for science is knowledge.
You should know that.
It's science is the Latin word for knowledge.
Now, the science and the scientific method, which Richard C. Hogan was talking about, does prove out, and I've seen the photos from Phobos and what Richard Hogan was talking about, that there is indeed something artificial on Mars.
Many things artificial on Mars.
So myself, it does not threaten me.
And I think that wouldn't it be better for the whole world to want to know facts?
S-A-C-T-S.
In other words, if Richard C. Hogan is talking about, A, let's say there is no God, B, we were created by beings from Mars or beings from Nebru, if that's true, Zachariah Sitchin, isn't it better to live in the real world to find out?
I'm afraid that maybe, just maybe, NASA, if it's involved with this shadow government that you talk about, the only way this thing may come out, if the alternative is worse, let me explain.
If the alternative somehow meant that we're getting close to, if we are, a World War III nuclear war, and the only way to maybe forestall nuclear World War III, which is what I fear we're leading to now in the Middle East, is by bringing out what's going on in Sidonia, bringing public about Mars in the hopes of bringing the world together.
Anyway, basically calling about tonight's show as far as the Brookings Institute report.
Ah, yes.
Yeah.
I would love to see a show, like it's a suggestion for a future show, whether it's done in the month of March or sometime soon or a month after that, whatever.
But could you please, Art, you know, have a show where there's like a real honest re-evaluation of this report, like 2002 style.
Like if you were to possibly get some experts in a panel of your choosing.
How many would be fundamentalist enough to be disturbed by information that all we thought about ourselves is wrong?
I'll bet you over 25% at least.
Okay.
That's a lot.
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Okay.
Out of that 25%, like if one was to do a re-evaluation of this Brookings Institute report, like you've got to ask yourself, really, what's going to happen?
Like ABCD, as in how many of them would go postal?
All of those are really, thank you, good questions.
I mean, really good questions.
And when it gets right down to it, those are the kind of statistics that you would have to come up with that would aid you in making a decision about whether you would make something public or not.
As he said, how many would become postal?
How many would go to a tower and start shooting?
How many would begin behaving very differently because all of a sudden they believed something different about their origins and possibly God himself?
I would not begin to know how to break down such statistical projections, but there are plenty of people who can do it.
The Brookings report basically is a study done by the Brookings Institution some long time ago now that said that if the population were to be suddenly informed of the presence of alien life, or if they were to suddenly be informed that our origins are not what they thought they were,
or something that would disturb religious and scientific institutions, there would be chaos and that such a secret would be better held as a secret.
You know, but all the things they could have called, I mean, five minutes on any chat site, any bulletin board, anywhere, and somebody would know to call it that.
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Well, I catch you every once in a while when I'm up late on the weekend, but on Friday nights here in Houston.
But I have enjoyed listening to you, and I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me.
They probably have some other technical name for it or something.
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That is precisely why it was called that was because that would really get everybody's attention.
They'd want to go by the paper.
Anyway, I don't want to sound like a complete flake, but I've been wrestling with this for the longest time, and the stuff tonight with Mr. Hugland has got it ruining again in my teeny little head.
I have a hard time justifying for myself, morally, doing something like funding a mission to Mars when we've got babies hungry right now here.
I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
I really do.
And so I think, thank you, with the amounts of money that we spend on weapons systems, which is embarrassing, and the amount of money that even we spend on the space program, I mean, she's got a point.
We could, and we have a responsibility to help those in this country that cannot help themselves.
We do not have a responsibility to Help those who do not wish to participate in what America offers.
You know, as for those people, I'm sorry.
I don't have a lot of sympathy.
You know, if they want to sit around with their hands out, then as far as I'm concerned, their hand can hang in the air.
So we're always going to have some degree of homelessness and poverty in America.
And that should not stop us from doing things that we should be doing.
I can't conduct conversations with radios on in the background.
All right, thank you.
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Thanks.
I think we have to entertain the hypothesis, as fallible human beings, that it might be E.T. disinformation, despite how true all this information might be.
It kind of reminds me of my dad, you know, years ago developing never-ending makework projects, like pulling all the weeds in the yard or varnishing the basketball hoop.
Well, sand it and varnish it and that type of thing.
I mean, it reminds me really of hitting the New World Order and the military and the secret government against the New Agers and the peace next and the environmentalists and keeping us all so busy that we're missing the big story that wasn't mentioned that night was that here we are 10,000 years into an interglacial period overdue for an ice age.
All sorts of things right now are very, very suspicious.
And so you think that a lot of this could be diversionary to keep our eyes off what's occurring and what they're trying to do about it or whatever.
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Like getting two, you know, the good brother and the bad brother fighting in the middle of the road, and meanwhile, they don't see the runaway truck coming down the road hitting them.
I don't know.
I have an open mind about all this, but I'm just suspicious, I guess.
If that was me, I would be wanting to talk to an exorcist right now.
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NASA officials decided to continue with the mission of the Space Shuttle Columbia despite problems with the cooling system.
MMT meeting that we just concluded agreed that we would continue the mission for the next 24 hours while we continued to review data and look at our processing records and our workmanship or modification records to see if there was anything that we can determine might be unusual.
That was shuttle program manager Ron Dittmore who says depending on the conditions of one of the freon loops in the shuttle schooling system, the mission may have to be terminated early.
That determination will not be made until later in the day.
Former Enron President Jeffrey Skilling uses the forum of Larry King show to sound off against his treatment by members of Congress.
Lawmakers have grilled him about the energy trading giant's collapse, and Skilling issued an accusation of his own.
Well, I think, you know, I certainly think that the Congress was acting as judge and jury.
I don't think the Congress was acting as a fact-finding entity trying to figure out what happened, which is the reason I was trying to help fill in the missing pieces.
He said they found him guilty until proven innocent.
In his words, President Bush said Friday the U.S. has created a shadow government to make sure there is ongoing leadership should a disaster ever strike the nation's capital.
He confirmed representatives of key government agencies have been working in secret underground bunkers for the last six months.
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It sent the John Jones Industrial Average to a six-month high Friday, closing 263 points higher at 10,369.
That puts up just over 4% of a gain, something prudential analyst Byron Pakowski calls a constructive day.
Looks like March came in like a lion, or at least like a bulb.
For the third straight day, we had excellent economic news on the Street of Dreams, but unlike prior two sessions, it did not fade.
So what we had was basically some follow-through and a willingness for some traders to take home long positions over the weekend.
I think all said and done is a step in the right direction, yet follow-through remains to be seen.
That good news also drove NASDAQ and the S ⁇ P 500 higher.
Also roaring like a lion, the weather, a storm that's already unleashed half a foot of snow around Denver is now making its way across the eastern Great Plains.
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Charles Schwartz was convicted of violently assaulting Abner Lewima back in 1997.
Linda Tripp, the woman who brought on the Monica Lewinsky scandal by taping her conversations with the intern, has breast cancer.
She made the revelation through her lawyers on Friday, who say she is showing great courage and dignity, encouraging people to pray for her.
Finally, many people just plain think their taxes stink.
This may well be the case, and even a case of poetic justice in one town.
In California's main tax office, they had to evacuate Friday after raw sewage roiled through the halls.
Authorities aren't sure where the muck came from, but about 2,000 employees had to stop everything they were doing, including processing tax returns and get out.
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever thou may be in all 24 time zones served by this program.
Let's see what the world has to serve up to us this night.
It says Al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters are regrouping in the mountains of eastern Pakistan, an eastern Pakistani province just over the border.
says there are about four or five thousand of them.
So gee whiz, why don't we find out where they're regrouping and degroup them?
I would imagine they would cooperate to that degree in Pakistan, wouldn't they?
Let us particularly if they're you know like isolated in the mountains somewhere.
We apparently have these little drone guys that can go and find a little speckle on the ground and deliver incredible ordinance to it instantly.
Those are some machines we've got buzzing around over there.
President Bush has agreed to Yemen's request to provide U.S. troops to train its military in combating terrorists.
That's interesting.
This is in an interview with a psychiatrist videotaped three weeks after she drowned her five children last summer, Andrea Yates said, get this, she believed she had to kill the children to keep them from going to hell.
On the tape, which was played during her capital murder trial, Yates said that after the bathtub drowning, she believed the state would execute her, Satan would be eliminated from the world, and the children would be saved.
Quote, these were their innocent years, end quote.
God would take them up.
Former Enron chief executive Jeffrey Skilling says that he could not have overseen everything at the company and accuses lawmakers who have challenged his testimony of acting as judge and jury.
In an election year, he adds.
Skilling said on Larry King Live that he believed he made the right decisions before Enron collapsed into the biggest bankruptcy in U.S. history.
That's an interesting line.
You think you made the right decisions just before the biggest bankruptcy in all of U.S. history is declared.
We're going to hear, we're going to break with a little bit of tradition tonight because there's a lot going on in space.
There's a lot going on on Mars.
Oh, man.
All kinds of breaking news.
Obviously, the kind of person you want to have around for that is Richard C. Hoglund.
Space Shuttle Columbia blasted into orbit for the first time in more than two years today.
You know, it's interesting.
I forget what it was, 22 minutes after the hour, something like that.
It was 22 after.
And CNN headline was covering or about to cover the launch.
And the lady doing the, as a British would say, presenting, said the shuttle is due to launch, and it goes to a picture of the shuttle.
And you can see the shuttle engines beginning to ignite.
She said it's due to launch at 22 afternoon, and we will cover it.
And then, boom, they went to commercial.
You can actually, as they went to commercial, you could see the shuttle actually starting to launch.
So then when they came back from commercial, all they could do was give us tape.
It's a cooling system, and it's a pretty big concern, I guess.
Maybe not enough to bring them back immediately, although I guess that was considered.
They may come back in a day.
They're going to have a meeting tomorrow, I guess, and decide what to do.
Richard will fill us in on what's really going on up there.
The Reverend Billy Graham apologized today for a 1972 conversation with former President Nixon in which he said the Jewish stranglehold, oh wow, the Jewish stranglehold of the media was ruining the country and must be broken.
Speaking of the things we say, what the hell's wrong with Ted Turner anyway?
Here's a Fox News story headline.
Ted Turner says hijackers were brave men February 13th most of the world praised the firefighters, rescue workers, and police officers as the courageous ones on September 11th, from our point of view, certainly.
Many of the bravest of all were the passengers who wrestled with their hijackers over Pennsylvania that day, you bet, causing their plane to go down in the mountains and preventing an even worse catastrophe.
But media mogul Ted Turner said Monday night that there were other brave people, the terrorists themselves, on the day of the World Trade Center, when it crumbled to the ground and a section of the Pentagon was destroyed.
Now, in a statement released Tuesday, Ted said his remarks were reported out of context and that he regrets any pain they may have caused.
That's the modern PC apology.
you know you regret any pain that whatever you did caused All right, well, there's a lot of news.
The Bush administration, and I'm sure there's a lot of buzz about this out there, has activated Cold War-era plans for a shadow government.
Now, right away, they've chosen the wrong phrase here, shadow government.
Why would they use that?
What's The matter with those people?
Don't they read the conspiracy stuff on the internet?
Don't they know what people think of the phrase shadow government?
And so they're brazen, they call it a shadow government, consisting of 75 or more senior officials who live and work secretly outside Washington in case a nation's capital is crippled by a terrorist attack.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, oh gee, now why would he want to be anonymous, said the operation has been in effect since the first hours after the September 11th terrorist attacks and has evolved over time.
And then, of course, you knew I was going to get emails about it, about the shadow government, and so I'm getting them.
And they raise some pretty good points, I would say.
Yours less, who says, hey, Art, isn't the U.S. government supposed to have three branches executive, legislative, and judicial?
Separation of powers and all that, you know, right?
Well, how come Bush's shadow government only has one branch, apparently executive?
Well, it sounds like the man is created or rather admitted to have already being created is an emergency dictatorship that would not require legislative or judicial branches.
How convenient.
It is clear this shadow government is news to Congress.
So, you know, he makes a pretty good point here.
I mean, where is the you know, a shadow implies that you have some duplication, even if in a negative of the original, and there's a bunch of the shadow missing there.
The checks and balances, part of the shadow, they're missing.
It's like no arms and no legs.
All we have is the body.
On the other hand, you would expect, and you would even demand, that our government have some kind of plan just in case, you know, if Washington was blown to smithereens or the White House suffered an atomic attack, or God, you could imagine a million horrible scenarios with terrorism, right?
That there would have to be a continuance of government.
So I certainly understand that and that they should be doing that.
But why not make it some resemblance and some semblance of the government that you now know works so well?
I mean, it really does, for all the grumbling that we do about our government.
It's a pretty good system, you know.
The executive branch, the legislative branch, which is probably a pain in the neck to each other, but they are checks and balances.
And then, of course, the great judges who decide what the law of the land is.
Now, that just really does make a good combination, and it's kept us out of trouble a lot of times.
You know, with presidents who would have done things that, well, would have been way out of line.
You know, like grabbing power.
Well, you just can't do that.
You can't grab power here because there's too many checks and balances.
Your butt's going to jail.
But if you just have one branch, that's not good.
That's not a good shadow.
Maybe there's something about it that I haven't heard, but I didn't hear anything about those other branches.
Well, the rash stories.
What am I going to tell you about this?
As you know, the CDC is looking into what the hell this mystery rash is, now officially said to be in I'll read you part of the CNN story.
Federal authorities are working with state and local health officials to determine the cause of mysterious rashes among school children, and I might add more, I'm adding that, in 14 widespread states.
It is not clear whether a single cause is behind the rashes, which tend to be mild and then go away by themselves.
The first outbreak happened in October in Indiana.
Subsequent cases have occurred as recently as February 21.
CDC, let's see, concluded in its morbidity weekly report.
Morbidity and mortality.
Ooh, how'd you like to be the person making out that report?
What do you do?
I make out the morbidity and mortality weekly report.
Probably put an attitude on you after you'd been doing that for a while.
The rashes have been reported primarily among elementary school students, though.
A few middle and high schoolers have been affected as well, said the report.
Listen, I'm here to tell you that almost every single state, I've heard from every state multiple times with regard to this rash.
Now, again, we may be bumping into the snowball effect.
Or this may be absolutely, certainly there is a real component.
How real the component is to this, I don't know yet.
I know I'm getting thousands of emails about rashes.
Thousands of emails.
So I wonder if they're really caught up on how widespread it is.
And it really is a mystery.
There are certain people who claim they know what it is.
It has something to do with milk in the schools or something.
But now it's going into the general population.
That's what they're not reporting here.
That's one of the things they're not reporting.
They're not reporting, in my opinion, how really widespread it is at all.
And they're not reporting that it's gone beyond children.
But, you know, according to my reading, it absolutely has.
What's going on on Mars is really, really exciting stuff.
We'll talk about it in a moment or a little bit about it and a whole lot about it with Richard C. Hoagland.
But apparently, folks, what we're getting from the satellite circulating about Mars now is going to confirm a lot of very, I mean, really exciting things about Mars.
There probably was, or you might even get a little more excited here, might be now life on Mars.
Maybe not as we know it, but you can almost bet that if there's I mean, if water came up in volcanic spurts like Old Faithful, if there was that much water and there still is that kind of water underground and there's, you know, there's evidence of very recent water flow and there's even evidence of green stuff.
I mean, this is beginning to get to be fairly interesting.
That's why I thought Richard really ought to be here tonight.
Down at the South Pole, they talk about green stuff that seems to be, or, you know, maybe people are afraid to say it, but who knows?
If there's that much water on Mars, then as Richard told us last time he was on, I'm sure he's going to be telling us again now, that means there is fuel on Mars.
With water, you can make rocket fuel.
And that makes a trip to Mars very likely.
So, in other words, the information coming now from the satellite may be what pushes us over the brink of our president, you know, getting on TV and saying, we have a national goal.
We're going to Mars and we're going to do it by the year 2012.
What do you think, folks?
2012.
How about we play it safe on this side of the mine calendar and we make it before the year 2012?
A plume of hot volcanic metal rock is rising beneath Africa right now.
Now, the title of this article is BBC News.
The title of the article is Volcano Threatens to Divide Africa.
Volcanoes, plural, threaten to divide Africa.
So you've got this hot volcanic mantle rock rising beneath Africa.
And according to international researchers, it could eventually create, check it out, a new ocean.
The Ethiopian Rift is one of the few places in the world where we can see the transition from continental rifting to something that looks more oceanic.
According to Dr. Cindy Ebinger, who told the BBC World Service Program, it's a unique area worldwide.
The crack in the Earth's surface runs for 2,000 kilometers.
So they're saying, with the right conditions, a series of volcanoes could divide Africa, if you can imagine that in your mind, divide Africa, and there would be a new ocean created, I guess, between.
Now, those are what I would dub as fairly serious earth changes.
How about you?
Then, of course, there is the big rock in Hawaii that, now that was treated as a fairly small story the other day.
But this rock up on the volcano is the size of Rhode Island.
That's a really big rock.
And it moves several inches.
One of our satellites caught this rock going several inches.
Now the bottom line is, they say if the rock falls into the Pacific Ocean from all the way up on the volcano, this will cause a very large wave.
They're saying about 100-foot wave that would come crashing ashore around the entire Pacific rim.
That's everywhere.
You know, that's everywhere.
That's all up and down the American coast, you know, the South American coast, Alaska, Japan, China, the Philippines, all the way around.
A hundred-foot wave.
So that's a really big rock.
And so it moved three inches.
That's something to think about.
That was treated as a fairly small story, but it's a pretty big story, really.
That's a pretty serious movement.
Well, they think it is, anyway.
You know, they watch from satellite.
And so we haven't been watching movements like that a lot.
But still, it doesn't sound good to me.
When a big boulder is up there on the cliff and you're down there and you're looking up and the boulder begins to move, you usually go, uh-oh.
Or at least, uh-oh.
Right?
So I thought that story was a bit undertreated, actually.
Richard Hoagland is coming right up.
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Coming up is Richard C. Hoagland, one-time advisor to Walter C. Cronkite, one-time advisor to NASA, winner of the Ingstrom Science Award, man who has a great deal to say about what's going on in space, on Mars, and with the shuttle.
And all of those things are flat out on the table tonight, so it made sense to reach out to Richard.
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No, because there are some things that as we finish this draft, I actually thought at 3 o'clock in the morning, oh, damn it, I wanted to get that in.
So as part of this next round of discussion, which of course is what the budgeting and the stars are all based on, you know, we actually do a serious now budget profile.
We have a wish list, and what's really interesting, everybody, folks out there, is that the wish list includes a lot of people that you know who are household words, household names.
The first time we actually watched a launch, Walter got scared because they had built these big glass cubes sitting 3.5 miles from the launch pad with these huge windows so everybody could have a good view.
And the sound was so loud that we thought that the windows were going to shake loose from the frames and fall down on Cronkite and the whole assembled crew.
And then on subsequent launches, they did a lot of, brought engineers in and building contractors and they beefed them up a lot because the window was vibrating back and forth so much from this low frequency sound.
And then, as you know, today they announced a few hours after launch that they had a little bit of a problem, which is more than a little bit of a problem.
So what they have to do is they have to pump coolant through those mirror doors open to space to radiate the heat generated by the electronics and the crew in the shuttle, otherwise they would die of heat frustration.
And what's happened is that the Freon loop in one of the doors is not working.
And so they only have half the heat rejection capacity.
It's like living out there, as you do in Perrump, in the middle of the summer in July, with a temperature outside 115, and your air conditioner, you know, you've got maybe two or three, and you lose two of them.
You've got one left.
Or trying to broadcast from a studio where you're supposed to keep the electronics nice and chilly, and you lose your air conditioners.
And it's like what you normally see on Star Trek, where there's a main problem in engineering and they shut down everything but environmental controls.
To do the spacewalks, the five spacewalks, and to do the full-up mission for the 11 days to refurbish Hubble, they will need both radiators in good shape with the coolant flowing through them because there's an awful lot of heat generated by a active shuttle mission.
In other words, there's no real way they can get at that in a spacesuit, because if it's inside those mirrored sides of the clamshell doors, then it means that it's already evaporated into space.
Well, this was the other part of that mission that was supposed to be carried out.
That's why they call it 3B as opposed to 3A.
3A was the emergency of maybe about a year ago where they had to replace some gyros and some other things.
This mission was supposed to take place now and be mission 3, the third Hubble replacement mission for gear.
They're basically swapping out old equipment and putting in brand new instruments, and some of them are really cool, like the advanced camera for surveys.
It's going to make Hubble ten times better.
The pictures are going to be 10 times better than we've been seeing, and we've been seeing some amazing pictures.
You could actually see in some of the launch footage this afternoon that they downlinked from the shuttle, when they taped during ascent, you could see them sitting in their couches.
And I mean, these couches are massive, bolted structures to the framework of the shuttle itself, and they're vibrating back and forth by as much as two or three inches.
That's the amount of power and the amount of vibration that's shaking everything in that spacecraft.
That's why they call them space-rated systems.
It's not so much what happens when you're in orbit.
Well, with refueling, you could have, you know, put...
That's the hard part because you can't use the really efficient technologies.
For instance, you know, there is hell to pay if you try to use nuclear power to go from Earth's surface to Earth orbit for a whole bunch of very valid reasons, environmental and other.
You don't want to use the incredible energy of a nuclear power source to get you that first step.
Well, no, if you had a catastrophic explosion during launch and you had a nuclear reactor, the fear is that you would wind up spreading nuclear material over fixed states.
So if you divided it up and built it in space, that would be the way you'd get around the safety problems in the environmental, which are very, very germane.
Remember, there's a little atmosphere even at the altitude of the shuttle and the space station.
That's why when the shuttle goes and visits the space station, part of its mission always is to do an orbit burn that boosts the altitude with the excess fuel that it carries up.
So the station goes up a few miles higher.
And so it's constantly going up and then coasting down against air friction.