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Feb. 28, 2002 - Art Bell
02:30:40
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Michael Horn - The Billy Meier UFO Case. Steve Smith - 100 Million Years Old Human Tooth
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♪♪ From the high desert in the great American South,
well, that is you all. Good evening, good morning, good afternoon,
wherever you may be on Earth, 24 time zones, which are served by this program.
We are everywhere.
Good evening, everybody.
The program is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell, and I've got a lot to do.
Tonight, number one, those of you who may have heard the end of the program last night, Pretty weird stuff and no answers for you tonight except the following.
At about, I don't know, seven minutes before 2 a.m.
Pacific Time last night, my wife ran into the room as I was concluding an interview, very interesting interview I might add, handed me a note that said, honey there's a There's a hot air balloon going right over the house.
I didn't know what to do.
I reported it in the literal last minute of the show.
Grabbed my jacket, ran outside, and I'll be damned if it wasn't true, in cold temperatures, at 2 o'clock in the morning, a balloon by this time had passed over my house and was headed to the west-south-west.
Eventually, apparently, landed.
I mean, there was no question about it.
It was close enough.
You could see the... You know, the guy would pull down and release the flame into the balloon and you could see the whole balloon lighting up and it was just strange.
What would a hot air balloon be doing up there?
Above my house at 2 o'clock in the morning.
It's unanswered.
The balloon came down.
We both watched it descend to the point we could no longer see it against the mountains.
So it came down this side of the mountains, which are California.
That's how close to California we are, about 8 miles away.
It was weird to have a hot air balloon land to fly right over your house at 2 o'clock in the morning.
I didn't think hot air balloons did a whole lot of flying at 2 o'clock in the morning.
What do I know?
First one I've ever seen in my life, and it came straight overhead.
Kind of worrisome, in a lot of ways.
However, there you are.
Now, a couple of items, and then you better get to a computer, because, uh, boy, have I got a story for you coming up.
Get to my website, artbill.com.
Start now.
I do want to get a couple of things in quickly.
A note from somebody who's been feeding wild turkeys for nearly a year.
Lonnie is his name.
Art, I believe there is a very high probability that we're going to have an earthquake in the Bay Area within the next four days.
Well, I don't know about the Bay Area, but I think it's clear we're in a window.
He says, I've been feeding wild turkeys for about a year now and they're acting completely differently than they've ever acted.
They're huddled in the corner of the yard.
They're not making the usual gobbling noises.
They're largely disinterested in eating.
And usually they're very aggressive about eating, pecking each other away from the food, fighting.
I've also been getting strong warnings from Michael Mandeville of the Phoenix Project, and I've talked to Jim Birkland.
The only person who successfully predicted the Loma Prieta quake on the radio, and days ahead of the quake at that, he monitors syzygy, location of the moon, sun, and earth in relation to earthquakes, and we are in a very high probability period.
We're in it right now.
Last night's full moon was the closest one to the earth, a yearly event, but also It was especially bright because of the closeness of the sun as well.
Very rare combination.
The window will close on March 3rd or 4th.
But I agree with... By the way, he talked to Jim who said that it's not a good sign.
Turkeys, he says, are excellent predictors.
They're highly sensitive.
So I want to remind everybody, whether or not anything happens, we are in a really big time window right now.
Now, listen to this.
Art, I live in North Central Texas today, February 28, 2002.
On our local news, Fox 4, out of Fort Worth, Dallas, between 5.30 and 6 p.m., our weatherman reported what he was told was called chaff showing up on the radar.
The weatherman even said that the military, in fact, told him that it was a classified experiment.
The haze in the sky here today looked like high, dirty, brownish, cirrus clouds and oh yeah, lots of chemtrails all through the sky.
So there you are.
Some kind of classified experiment, uh, the weatherman was told there.
Kind of adding a little to what you heard last night, right folks?
Now, I have thousands I mean thousands of emails about this mysterious rash now officially in 14 states.
And I'd like to add that I think it's in all of the states.
That's what I think.
Officially in 14.
The Center for Disease Control in Atlanta is trying to figure out, but as of yet has found no Common denominator in fact they've said that no common denominator, but this rash situation is getting worse and worse and I can tell you from my monitoring of my own email That That it's every everywhere virtually everywhere reports of large groups small groups individuals and
All describing roughly the same symptoms everywhere.
So there is a sudden onset of some weird rash the CDC or apparently nobody else seems to understand.
You know, it could mean a lot of things.
Sometimes a rash is a precursor to something else.
Sometimes a rash, I suppose, is just a rash.
For it to occur With such geologic diversity, and now be declared officially in 14 states, and I'm telling you unofficially, I think it's everywhere, just about, is more than a small mystery.
Watch this story carefully, I'm telling you.
Now, a couple of nights ago, I read you an incredible story.
Tonight, I'm going to follow it up with you.
Do you remember the following email?
If you don't, I'm going to read it to you now.
Hi, Art.
When my dad was working in the oil field after a stint in the Navy during World War II, he was cracking core samples one day in 1948, and from the inside of one core sample popped out a human tooth!
Recently, I had it verified as a human tooth by my dentist, and my brother had it verified by his dentist as well, both Dennis said that it was a bicuspid tooth from a child.
The tooth is almost black, so fossilized.
It is so fossilized.
My father got his degree in geology, so he knew what he was doing in the oil fields, and he has a sworn statement at the request of myself and brother of this find.
He is still alive and 75 years old, better health now than me.
This tooth came out of a core sample from a well near Haynesville, Louisiana.
It came from a depth of 4,300 feet under the surface of the Earth.
My brother took the tooth to another geologist recently and told him where it came from and the depth where it came from as well.
The geologist got out his charts of that area and said that At the depth that tooth was found, it is called the Gloyd, that's G-L-O-Y-D, Limestone Rift.
Did some calculating, found that in that particular location, at a depth of 4,300 feet, the tooth is approximately 100 million years old art.
We have either been here before, or someone else inhabited the Earth a long time ago.
The child's tooth is 100 million years old art.
Now, this was from Randy Smith.
And you'll notice he referenced his brother in there several times.
I happened to get the number for his brother, Steve.
And folks, Steve, bless his heart, who's going to be on the air with us in a moment, has taken the time to do... He took photographs of the tooth Discovered in the core sample.
And we've got those photographs for you tonight.
The tooth here, pictured in two different positions against the size of a dime.
Very good photographs, as a matter of fact.
1998 dime.
And then below it, you will find several handwritten pages from their father, from Steve's father,
of the account which he wrote up in 1999.
Now, all of that is on my website right now in graphic detail under What's New.
Just go to artbell.com, What's New.
First item at the top, Tooth Discovery and Core Sample.
In a moment, we will talk with Steve Smith about what he was kind enough to get to my webmaster
so we could get up on the website for you tonight.
In a moment, we continue to follow up.
Alright, get to my website right now as you listen to what you're about to hear.
Artbell.com is the website's top item under What's New?
Tooth Discovery and Core Sample.
I read you the email.
from Steve's brother.
Now here is Steve Smith.
Hi, Steve.
Hey, how you doing?
I'm all right.
Where are you?
I'm in Shreveport, Louisiana.
Shreveport, Louisiana.
All right.
Start the story again for me.
I, of course, just read the typewritten email from your brother.
OK, so you you apparently have the tooth.
You have a tooth.
Yeah.
Tell me what you know.
Your dad is alive and well, right?
He was born in 1926.
He just had a birthday.
I was a little bit of a bit of a cry baby. I was a little bit of a cry baby. I was a
little bit of a cry baby. I was a little bit of a cry baby.
I was a little bit of a cry baby. I was a little bit of a cry baby. I was a little bit
of a cry baby. I was a little bit of a cry baby. I was a little bit of a cry baby. I was
a little bit of a cry baby.
I was a little bit of a cry baby. I was a little bit of a cry baby. I was a little bit
and...
His first job, he wasn't actually in the oil field, he worked for a sampling, a coring sample company that evaluated core samples that petroleum companies would send in.
I suppose that's the way it works.
In other words, you're drilling for oil and you're constantly sending in cores so you know if you're getting closer you're on the right track or something like that.
Right, right.
They would take these samples.
They were long cylinders and they would break out about a three inch section.
He said from a two and a half to three and a half inch diameter and they would send these samples in and he
would inspect them visually for traces of oil and also would smell them for trace smells of petroleum
and one day well a lot of these contained fossils and being geologists he was interested in and sure
and that you know the old stuff like that Oh, I would be too.
I mean, they were down, what was it, 4,300 feet?
This particular one was around 4,300, yeah.
That's way down there.
Yeah, this area was Historically in the inland sea the Gulf of Mexico went up into I believe Canada and so eons of sedimentation building built the limestone layers that are the bedrock underneath this part of the country.
He would crack these samples open and see if he could find any fossils in them and one particular sample he had one of these little spelunker type hammers and hit it and it broke into two pieces and something fell out on the table in front of him and he picked it up and looked at it and he said it looked like a tooth And he took it to the man that owned the company, I don't believe it was a big company, and showed it to him and the man thought it was some kind of a little hoof or something.
He didn't know what it was.
There was just curiosity and my dad put in a little glass sample vial and put it away.
way.
And we would get, it's in a shoe box with rock samples and when we were growing up we'd
get it out and look at it and look at the rocks.
In fact, there's even a core, a piece of a core sample in the shoe box.
So something that, you know, like as a kid you'd ask your dad about?
Yeah, yeah, of course.
It had some tiny fossils in it, so that was fascinating for us as kids, you know.
I forgot all about it and a few years ago I had just read Graham Chapman's Fingerprints
of the Gods and Randy happened to mention his tooth and I said, what are you talking
about?
He said, he remembers the tooth?
Yeah, he remembers it.
Well, my dad had given him the shoebox and it was in it and he started telling me all
this and as he did it, I started to remember playing with it as a kid and then it just
kind of hit me like a ton of bricks, you know, the implications of this.
It's what you really had.
Yeah, and I didn't go to a geologist.
We have a place here in town called Cyport, which is an own hands discovery place for kids.
In there there's a geology section and they have a chart on the wall, a geographical chart of this area cut away and I was looking at it and at the 4,100 to 4,300 foot level this chart dates 75 to 100 million years ago and this tooth fell out of that sample.
Alright, you took the tooth to your dentist, right?
And I didn't tell him what it was, I just said, What's this?
What is this?
And he looked at me and said, It's a child's tooth.
I said, I don't know why it's black, but, you know, it's just a child's tooth.
And then I told him where it came from, and he was kind of nonplussed.
I don't think it really... On some people it does not register what it means that a tooth would come from 4,300 feet below the earth.
It just doesn't register.
Randy had showed it to two dentist friends of his and they both said it was... A child's tooth?
Yeah.
I asked my dentist, I said, are you sure?
Could this be simian?
Could it be anything else but a human tooth?
He said, no, it's a child's tooth.
Okay, well, we've got lots and lots of dentists listening right now who will, I promise you, go to my website right now and either confirm or argue with that, but it does sure look like a tooth to me.
Now, is there any question at all in your father's mind that this came from a core sample that was 4,300 feet down?
Any question at all?
No, in fact, when I got to talking to him about this recently,
I said, well, of course the smoking gun to this whole situation is where's the core sample?
I mean, there should be an indentation in the two halves.
And he said, well, whenever we inspected them, we just threw them in the trash and they were taken to the landfill.
Yeah.
So in 1949, this was put in the landfill somewhere in, in, in this area.
And then the killer is, It's buried somewhere and all the evidence is right there, but talk about a needle in a haystack.
Yeah, of course, and I understand they would just dispose of unworthy or uninteresting core samples for the job they were doing, naturally.
Yeah, he just said it didn't register to him what he had found, I think.
Your dad wrote a handwritten account that we've got on the website right now of this in 1999, is that correct?
Right.
At whose behest did he do that?
Me.
You asked them to?
Yes, they put it down in your own handwriting, you know.
All right, hold on one sec.
We're at the bottom of the hour, Steve.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
From the high desert, seeing is believing.
We've got it on our website right now.
Go ahead and take a look.
Dennis out there, you tell me what you think.
My guest is Steve Smith.
His dad found a tooth inside a core sample 4,300 feet below the surface of the earth in Louisiana.
We've got a picture of that tooth on my website right now.
We've also got his handwritten account on my website right now.
Steve will be right back.
Happy birthday to you, dying back in my little town.
Happy birthday to you, dying back in my little town.
Once again, all of this on my website under What's New Right Now.
Go to Artbell.com.
See a picture of this tooth and a handwritten note of Steve Smith's father, which was done in 1999.
So you asked him to do it, Steve?
Yes.
Again, so, I mean, this is so... Your dad doesn't want to talk about this publicly, does he?
No.
Why not?
Well, he's just not into it.
I mean, this was something that happened and he didn't see any significance in it back then and he's I guess just still
nonplussed about it.
He doesn't, does he understand the implications of it?
I think so, yeah. It just, he doesn't have on it.
Yeah, I'm sure you've talked to him about it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean to me it's mind boggling. My, it's just,
if this is in fact a human tooth, I mean.
This rewrites history.
Well, you said you had three dentists who examined it, held it in their hand, right?
Right.
Human Tooth?
Right.
Couldn't possibly be an Ape Tooth?
There would definitely be an Ape Tooth.
You know, of course, they're not anthropologists or whatever, but still, I mean, they get teeth every day, so I would think they would be an expert in that.
Have you ever asked your dad if there was any way the depth of the core samples could have been an error, whether he could have grabbed an earlier core sample by mistake or something like that?
Well, when the drilling companies would send these in, they would send them in, I believe it said in his writings that they would put them in cloth bags and they would attach the depth so that they would know if there was oil, what depth.
That they would be needing to go down to.
Makes sense to me.
So this one was tagged at, I think, 4,300 feet.
And he was just seeing what fossils might be in it when he cracked it open.
How has this affected the two of you?
You know, your dad, Bill, obviously, as you say, is sort of still nonplussed.
But you and your brother.
Well, we've talked about it.
It's just, what can you say?
It's staggering, the implications.
I believe that I looked up that that's Jurassic.
Raptors and T-Rex and all that mess.
A hundred million?
Yes.
Oh, yes.
So, you know, here, humanoids of some type, a child back then.
And, you know, the way this sedimentary rock forms, This thing had to have fallen down into the water, fallen on the bottom, and then layer after layer of sediment built up on it for millions and millions of years.
This was in solid rock, you know.
You know, what should we do from here, I wonder?
In other words... I haven't a clue.
Well, we have a lot of resources because we have a lot of investigative tools and people that are willing to devote time to examination of this sort of thing.
Do you have any email address or any way for people to contact you if there is a resource that could develop this story?
Yeah, it's S.R.
Smith.
and number one srsmith1 at earthlink.com. SRsmith1 at earthlink.com.
Okay. Well, I guarantee you are going to get some email. Now, um, all the only
advice I'm going to give to you is, um, do not, uh, lose custodial control of this tooth.
Yeah. No matter what's offered to you. I had thought about getting this carbon dated, but
carbon dating only goes back 50,000 That's a joke.
You know, so I don't know how this could be dated.
And the thing about this tooth is, to me, it doesn't look fossilized.
It's got, I don't know if you can tell it from the photos that I sent you, but this thing has still got like gloss enamel on it.
It's not like a rock.
It's like a tooth.
You know, it's possible, even, that DNA evidence could be recovered from a tooth.
Uh-huh.
I've seen that happen, where they crack the tooth and then pull out and extract the DNA.
DNA, exactly right.
So, you may really have a hot potato on your hands there, a really hot potato.
And again, I say to you, the email address again, folks, is S.R.
Smith, common spelling, S.R.
Smith, 1, the number 1, at earthlink.net
very important earthlink.net alright, so you're going to get a lot of offers of
assistance I would imagine and advice
what I again advise you is do not lose custodial control don't let your eyes off that tooth whatever all is offered
Right.
All right?
Okay.
Will you promise to get back to me, please, with the results?
I'll do it.
You're a real trooper to do all this scanning and get it up just before airtime.
Yeah, you called.
I had just I finished the last scan when you called the first time.
Incredible luck.
This is really good timing.
Steve, thank you.
And please, for me, thank your brother, Randy.
I'll do it.
Thanks for having me.
Take care of my friend.
Okay.
All right.
So there you are.
There's your follow-up, folks.
We'll see where it goes from there.
No, I report stories.
I don't make them up.
So there's your evidence.
There's your follow-up.
And we'll see where it goes.
Let's see what is going on in the world.
At least 76 killed as Hindu rioters attack Muslims.
It was in a Muslim neighborhood in India Thursday.
Kept firefighters away for a number of hours.
At least 76 died in a revenge attack.
So, it goes on.
An autopsy confirmed today.
The body of a child found in the A desert, uh, town that is, uh, is that, in fact, of, uh, seven-year-old Daniel, and, um, disappeared from home a month ago.
So that is now confirmed.
Down in Cuba, the prisoners we have there from, uh, Afghanistan, about two-thirds of them, at least, are on a hunger strike.
Throwing things around, and on a big hunger strike, and I don't know.
They were chanting God is Great in Arabic.
It is their first mass protest since arriving.
And I say let them strike.
And strike, and strike, and strike.
Solve a problem, right?
An Air India jetliner carrying nearly 400 people was shadowed by jet fighters all the way to New York today.
Turned out to be Nothing, though.
Somebody was thought to be on a list of known terrorists, or most wanted terrorists, but... So they just got a nice... Can you imagine being a passenger in a jet, and looking out your window, and seeing an F-16 on your wingtip?
Or just behind you, or just ahead of you, or probably all of the above.
That would be...
You know, you'd probably ring the little thing and say, excuse me, stewardess, could you?
And she'd say, no, I can't.
And then you'd sit there and have a pretty troubled flight, I imagine, the rest of the way, huh?
Big news coming on Mars.
Now, I'm going to break a little bit of tradition tomorrow night.
We're going to do open lines, but the first hour and a half tomorrow night or so is going to be Richard C. Hoagland, because the news is breaking on Mars.
Let me read you something from the New York Times.
Signs of Great Floods on Mars by the New York Times.
Giant channels carved out of the plains of Mars tell of huge floods gushing from volcanic fissures like old faithful gone haywire.
News photos from the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are suggesting that some floods may have been relatively recent Evidence that the interior of Mars remains geologically active.
The images examined by Devin M. Burr and Dr. Alfred S. McEwan, planetary scientists at the University of Arizona, show very few impact craters in the channels.
The finding indicates that the channels were formed in the last few million years.
Given the 4.5 billion dollar... billion dollar... billion year age of Mars, That is geologically almost yesterday.
In the floods, hundreds of cubic miles of water, possibly more water than in Lake Erie, poured out of volcanic fissures.
In the Athabasca Valles region, just north of the equator, the water most likely came from deep aquifers, oh man, a couple of miles below the surface.
The scientists Guessing that the water may have been pushed up by geothermal heat from sources like geysers here on Earth.
Scientists reported their findings in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.
Hypothesize is the word I was trying to say.
Instead I substituted guessing, which is not far off.
Alright, we're getting some signals that And by the way, here at the Top of the Hour, we're going to be talking about the Billy Meyer UFO case, and I have something never before heard.
I have a recording.
My guest has provided, Michael Horn, has provided a recording of one of the beam ships that Billy Meyer saw.
Pretty decent quality recording that I think runs Maybe over two minutes, yeah, three minutes and 14 seconds.
I don't know if we'll get all of that in.
Maybe we will.
An actual recording of one of the Billy Meyer beam ships, or one precisely like it, but one of the beam ships.
We've got an actual audio recording.
I haven't heard it yet.
I generally prefer Hearing or seeing all of this as close to the same time as you all do, so I can kind of, I don't know, react to it the way you are.
You know, as you're hearing it, just sort of react to it on the spot.
All right.
So we're going to be talking about UFOs also next week.
We'll talk about UFOs and about what went on in Ohio.
And what's going on in Canada now?
Our brethren to the north, in Canada, all of a sudden are having a big flap.
CNN, cable news network, is reporting a rise in UFO sightings in Canada.
Now it was not the main story, you know, shown at the bottom of the streaming ticker that they've got now on CNN.
The sentence read, said, a 42% increase in sightings of UFOs in Canada, and nobody knows why.
Now this is recent time, a 42% increase in the number of UFOs.
Nobody has a clue as of why, but that's all across Canada.
So...
Something's going on with respect to UFOs right now, and it's going on north.
Why would there be a 42% rise in the number of sightings?
That's a big, big jump.
That's a really big jump, and so it means something obviously really is going on up north.
I suppose, like everything else today, you could say, Well, it's because of the military increase in traffic due to the 9-11 disaster.
You know, protective flying and that sort of thing.
But, there is not a concurrent increase in activity being reported here in the U.S.
Just in Canada.
So that one, perhaps, does not hold up.
Alright, we're gonna get a couple of calls in, maybe.
This hour.
And then we're going to be talking to Michael Horn.
And as I said, we've got a recording.
I love this kind of thing of a beam ship.
First time caller line.
You are on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Art.
Yes, sir.
Now, turn your radio off, please.
Do that.
Do that right away.
First thing up.
Turn off your radio.
That is so wild that I got through so quick.
Well, that's why we have a first time caller line.
I have to tell you, I'm shocked.
I've called other shows and you just never get on like that.
Well, that's because I don't have call screeners.
I don't believe in call screening.
Well, that's amazing.
Anyway, my name is Sage.
I'm calling from Vancouver, Washington.
Yes.
And actually, I'd like to kind of set up another time maybe to communicate with you.
But one of the reasons I'm calling, I listen to you every night.
And I'm a bit concerned about what's going on with the planet on many levels.
However, the bottom line is a year ago, December, I died in a boating accident.
You died?
Yeah.
You mean a clinical?
Clinical death, like Leonardo going down, DiCaprio, Titanic.
When I came out, My spirit just kind of resurrected my body, but when I came out, I was already sick.
I was dying of lymphatic cancer, and my spirit told me I had to fast and pray, which I did.
I'm trying to make this quick for 43 days.
I actually locked myself in a room for 30 days of that and enfolded about 20 pounds of cancer into nothingness.
Oh my God.
Can you document this?
Yeah.
Yeah, it cost me my relationship and a lot of other things.
But I mean, do you have medical records?
Only of the people rescuing me, but as far as like the actual cancer, I never went.
I was actually, as I was dying, I was kind of looking forward to dying because I was in so much pain.
I've never believed in doctors.
What had happened is my gallbladder had... But you must have had at least one diagnosis so that you knew what you had.
Actually, I didn't even know what I had.
After the death scenario, my spirit came forth so powerfully that it told me what it was.
Alright, you were in a boat?
Yeah, I was on a sailboat.
The rudder pin had fallen out.
As I was resetting the rudder, the wind was really kicking.
It was December.
I was foolish.
I didn't have a life vest on.
As I reset the rudder pin, it kicked over the whole boat.
I had the sail going straight up and flapping in the wind.
It just kicked it over and knocked me over the side.
I spent about 45 minutes out on the water.
I went into severe hypothermia, but the bottom line that I'm trying to get to is that when I came out, my spirit took over my body.
You know, what I believe our bodies are, they're like a biogenetic computer that the soul incarnates into, and it's like when my biogenetic computer gave up, my spirit came forth so much more powerfully than ever in my life. It was like I became a new person really.
How did they find you?
You know to tell you the truth I live right on this lake as my body flipped under for what I
believe to be the last time I was looking right at my house and I could see my bedroom my my ex and
my children were watching a movie as I was and it was just like you know I was hanging them on my
My body went into such severe hypothermia that it just let go.
And as my body started drifting down into the water, I felt such a peaceful calm, you know, and I had been in such pain that, you know, my body was saying, this is good.
You know, physicians will tell you that was the endorphins, the final endorphins kicking in in your brain.
To protect you from the final stages of the dying experience, the pain of the dying experience.
That's what the doctors say.
Well, as I was going underneath, I had an experience with my son.
At the time I slipped under, he was about six months old.
But when he was four months old, I knew that I would never hear him speak or see him walk or anything.
And I was holding him up in my arms and I said, you know, Why did you come here?
And like a bolt of lightning in my brain from my son, it said, I came here to learn from you.
Don't die.
All right, look, we're at the end of this hour, so I've got to break it off.
What you need to do is contact me by email the way the earlier gentleman did.
And we'll see what we can do.
Good morning, everybody.
The Billy Meier UFO case is perhaps one of the best known in all of ufology.
Coming up in a moment is Michael Horn, co-producer of the best-selling video on the Billy Meier UFO case, The Pleiadian Connection.
He's also lectured on the Meier case for public and private groups and corporate executives.
His 10-page article feature on the scientific cooperation for the Meier case beyond Great UFO photos appeared in the March 1999 issue of UFO magazine.
Michael is also the associate producer of the technical remote-viewing home study course video series teaching formerly top-secret psychic intelligence gathering technology developed by the US government.
Michael Horn has been researching the Billy Meyer case since 1979, when he first saw the book of Billy's photographs in UFO Contact from the Pleiades, Volume 1.
86, Michael read the earliest available English translations of the contact notes, containing 2,000 pages of transcripts of Meyer's ongoing conversations with his Pleiadian extraterrestrial contactees.
So, coming up in a moment.
is Michael Horn and we've got one whale of a recording for you.
Here is Michael Horn.
Michael, where are you?
I'm in the lovely town of Playa Del Rey in California, outside of the heart of Los Angeles.
All right, good.
Great to have you on the air with us.
Thank you.
I guess there are a lot of people out there, they've heard the name Billy Meyer, they don't really know the Billy Meyer story, so...
Sure, as best you're able.
How did all this begin for you?
Well, as you kind of mentioned in the beginning, in about 1979 I went into a bookstore in Los
Angeles called the Bodhi Tree.
I looked down and there was a big coffee table sized book with some very startling clear
photographs of UFOs on the cover and of course throughout the book.
Also inside the book were some commentaries and quotes from the alleged contactors of
this one-armed Swiss man, often referred to as a Swiss farmer named Billy Meyer.
I picked up that book and I said, I've got to have this.
This just rings true.
I want to study it.
I took it home with me, read it, looked at it, was just enthralled with the whole thing.
It wasn't until several years later in 1986 that I was in a little sleepy vegetarian cafe
in Sedona waiting for some kind of sandwich with sprouts to show up.
There was a guy sitting in the back of the place and we were the only ones there, just
a couple of people with me and we started to talk.
He was a retired IRS agent.
He and I were starting to talk about things like UFOs and what have you.
I mentioned Billy Meier and he said, have you read the contact notes?
I said, what are the contact notes?
He said, well those are the virtually verbatim transcripts of Mr. Meier's conversations with
these people who were at the time referred to as Pleiadians.
I said, gosh, no, I sure would love to.
He said, well you know I live in Decker Canyon and out there in Malibu area, when you get
back to town give me a call, which I did.
This guy was kind enough to give me volumes, about 1800, almost 2000 pages of some of the
more difficult to read things I've ever had in my life because the Swiss German translation
to English looks like it was done with a dictionary at the time.
So there were a lot of words that were bouncing around.
What caught my eye consistently throughout this, and I read these for days at a time,
I was up reading in the wee hours of the morning.
I would reread because I wanted to get it straight.
But what I found was that there was some very specific information that was not affected
by the quixotic kind of translations.
It was scientific in nature.
So I started to reflect on this, and what I've come to after 23 years.
You know, your show, you speak about some of the most unusual things in the universe that are going on.
We speculate on a lot of things.
You break news about chemtrails, which I might add are being sprayed all over the city of Los Angeles now for months.
All this kind of stuff.
And so I thought to myself, how does one really approach something like the Billy Meyer case?
Wouldn't it be the most important event in human history if it were real and true?
Human contact with Provable human contact would be okay.
So the next question for me.
Well, what's the evidence?
And of course the last question would be well What does it mean to us if we could find out that this was so so I kind of look at it this way We have a speculation and we have facts Speculation, you just had a man on who has an artifact,
right?
A tooth.
Oh, the tooth.
You heard that, yes.
I heard that.
And it's fascinating.
He's got an artifact.
And now there's speculation about it.
He's got an artifact in his hand, but we have to find out more.
You suggested DNA testing.
He said, I can't do carbon dating because it only goes back so far.
And from every indication, this goes back tens of millions of years, maybe 100 million
years, which violates everything we know, right?
Certainly does.
All right.
If we could get a picture of the true origins and history of humanity on this planet, and
we found out that it went back at least 28 million years, that would be rather remarkable.
Well, it would not surprise me.
Well now we come to me the next bump in the road and that is we're now at an age where we're transitioning out of belief and we're going to go into knowledge.
And the way I've looked at that, especially from the Meyer case, here are people that have We're going to find out if we can actually prove that to the satisfaction of your listeners and you.
But let's just say that they've been speaking to him for some time.
In all these conversations and transcripts, which people can read, they are available, I've never heard them use the words, I believe.
They seem to state things factually.
They either know something or they don't.
They will either find it out or they can't.
In our whole world and in every culture in this world, we cling to various beliefs because in certain areas we don't have knowledge.
That's not logical if we want to be a little spocky about it, but we can't blame ourselves if we don't have the knowledge and information.
My other point on this is that it doesn't matter whether or not I like something.
I've got to find out if it's true or not.
If it's true, I've got to adjust.
What I'm going to try to set up for you a little bit here is to answer any questions that you might have up front, to let you know that there is a remarkable book that just came out.
This is the first book in 20 years on this case and it's written by a man who's known Meyer for 20 years and has also taken photographs of the ships.
Talk about it later.
Something else that I do want to say now.
Okay, I've got that.
First of all, let me tell you, I've got a book by, is it Guido Moosberger?
Moosberger, right?
That's it.
Okay, I've got the book in my hand.
It was sent to me ahead of the interview.
Right, good.
And I've got to say this.
I've seen the Meyer photographs.
I have one framed.
A lot of them are really, really, really impressive photographs.
Of all the photographs that he could have chosen to put on the front cover of his book, He chose, in my opinion, the lousiest, the most possibly easily, most easily criticized photograph of all of them.
I'll give you what I think might be a good answer for that.
That photograph is one of a series of several in which the ship ostensibly circles the tree.
Well, okay, it looks, actually, it's in the shadow of the tree.
It's impossible to determine, but it actually looks like a part of the saucer is in the tree.
Right.
And that's where the criticism is going to come from.
Well, let me tell you something.
You were kind enough to post several links on your site.
One of them is by a man named James Deardorff who has researched the case only.
Now, this photo was chosen by the publisher and I think the publisher well knew that Mr.
Deardorff had gone to a little bit of what you might call unusual length.
He took this photograph, this series, and some others and actually inquired of tree
specialists.
I don't know exactly what the technical name was.
He wanted to see if the tree, A, could be identified, if they knew what the species
was, if it could be a model of a tree and any other things.
The link that you have provided for people has...
I'm not going to try to go through the whole thing, but this is where you have to maybe, and I'm speaking to you, the listeners, you have to do, if you're interested enough, do what I've done and what other people have done.
Research and find out, because I will only tell you this much.
He got back information from specialists that identified the species accurately for a species that grows right in that area.
On top of it, they found by examining the photographs and blowing them up enough, They found where the tree had been pruned on the trunk, which was in accordance with how those trees have to be treated to grow.
And they also made comments that when people make model trees, they don't make irregular and, you know, with prune marks and things that are so specific.
There were a whole bunch of other things, but I'll tell you one of the things.
There is also a video.
I'm not doubting any of that.
I'm just telling you that, you know, some of the Meyer photographs of the beamships are absolutely Mind-blowing.
Staggering.
But of all the ones, I would not have chosen this one just because it's so easily criticized.
It's the one that I looked at and I said, I don't know.
Well, it's a variety of Norwegian spruces, I remember.
It's something like Abies Alba or Abies Alba.
You can find out.
It's an unusual tree.
It's not something we have here, you know, growing everywhere, to my knowledge.
I know, but the obvious criticism is, look, this thing was attached to and being held up by the tree.
Right.
The series will prove that to be different because the clouds in back, the lie, the fact that you could not have mounted a model from the distance from the camera, shot this entire series without the clouds having moved.
You'll see, Dierdorf's analysis... I'm going to admit it would be extremely difficult.
I don't argue with you there.
I just say that there are a lot of the other Meyer photographs that would have been, I think... You know, that's why my focus, frankly, isn't on the photographs.
It's on The scientific corroboration for the information of the case, and that will lead us to what the major prediction is.
See, I'm going to cover stuff that Meyer published anywhere from one week to maybe 15 years.
prior to either the events occurring or the same information being promoted and published
as new discoveries by terrestrial science.
I've got the documentation and that will lead us hopefully to the major predictions for
these times that he has put in the book as well.
Okay.
Alright.
Well, I guess first you've got to lay as much as you can about the credibility of the Meyer
case itself because any predictions that would be forthcoming would reflect back on whatever
predictions that would be forthcoming would reflect back on whatever credibility we
credibility we can establish for what happened to Billy Meyer.
can establish for what happened to Billy Meier. Exactly. If I
Exactly.
may start just to say a little bit about the scientific evaluations that had been
If I may start just to say a little bit about the credibility of the Meier case itself because any
done on the physical evidence that Meier presented that he accumulated
between 75 and 78.
Most people do not know that there was a fair amount of scrutiny. You mentioned
sound recording that you have, the wave file that was sent to you. You bet. That
has 32 separate interfacing frequencies, some of which are not audible but which
show up on spectrum analyzers and oscilloscopes.
And the sound engineers who actually analyzed that said that they could not duplicate that with synthesisers at the time.
I will play this coming out of the bottom of the hour break so people can hear it.
Tell me a little bit about it.
When and where and who and how did they record this?
Myer actually took a cassette recorder of all things out into a field.
There may have been a couple people with cassette recorders.
At least he was there and there were several people.
Now the sounds of these ships have been heard by a lot of people in Switzerland because sometimes they don't screen off and other people will hear or other people will see the ships.
Well, this was done on a cassette machine.
This was back, as I say, between 1975 and 1978.
There's a guy named Steve Ambrose who was a sound engineer for Stevie Wonder.
This man invented something called a micromonitor.
It's like a radio set speaker that would fit inside Stevie Wonder's ear.
He and another sound engineer named Nils Ragnarud were among the people who actually analyzed this and realized that they would have needed a bank of synthesizers at that time.
in order to be able to duplicate the sounds.
Now again, this is in more detail in the book that you've got.
You can read more about that because it tells, and indeed they also took it to, I think there's
a Naval Undersea Lab in Connecticut where there's a sound lab and they analyzed there
too, same thing.
They could not.
You have to understand the physical evidence that we already know about is irreproducible to this day.
And I will also tell you later, if you want, about a new attempt by a skeptics group to duplicate Meyer's evidence and the results of that.
But I'll be happy to stick with this and to tell you about any of the experts that have examined the films, the photographs, the sound recordings.
When I gave one of my presentations in Los Angeles at the Biltmore Hotel of all things for about, oh it was like 450 of their corporate clients, I invited a man who I found through Britt and Lee Elders, who were two of the original investigators.
Oh yes, I know them.
Okay, well his name was David Froning and at the time he was with McDonnell Douglas and also at that time he'd been in the astronautical engineering, space engineering for like 25 years.
He was a publisher of theoretical stuff on propulsion, what have you.
He first came into familiarity with the case when his wife came home after seeing the Meyer
book and said, how come this man's talking about tachyon drives?
She was a little familiar.
David Froning, who was a space scientist back in the, let's say this was about 1979, 1980,
said, what are you talking about?
That's a very rarefied field of study, tachyon propulsion system, and he finds out it's a Swiss quote-unquote farmer.
He then reads that this farmer has published information on hyperspace propulsion systems, calculations for going beyond speed of light that are within 20% of the calculations that he, Froning, came up with with a group of scientists that he was involved.
And he didn't say That is interesting.
Oh, yes.
And when he stepped up to the podium, because I introduced him at the lecture, and he said, I just want to tell you, because someone asked him, well, why are you involved in this?
And he said, I want to tell you that a group of scientists that I'm involved with, it's a small group, we take the Meyer case quite seriously.
We've made breakthroughs in our understanding of zero point gravity from looking at his films and studying the material.
Thank you very much.
And these people sat there looking like, you can't be serious.
He's quite serious.
I haven't spoken to him since.
I don't travel in those circles, but I was fortunate that Britt was able to find him and bring him in.
There are people like Robert Post, who had been with JPL Photo Laboratory for 22 years, and he said he couldn't see anything fake about Meyer's photographs.
I know, they've really been looked at by the experts.
You know, from Mars Orbiter.
He said he finds the photographs credible, they're good.
The thing, he said it was hard for him to believe that a Swiss farmer could be in a first-name basis with a bunch of aliens, but the photographs are credible.
And if they're hoaxes, he wants to know about how did he do it.
You know, this is beyond, this would be like a master at work.
When you talk about someone like there was a special effects guy named...
Now for Michael Malin to say that is like pulling a hundred million year old tooth.
I mean...
There you go.
Well, everything I'm telling you...
Let me tell you where I got this information.
A man named Gary Kinder wrote a book called Night Gears back in about 87 on the Meyer case.
He was reluctant to even get involved with it.
He did a lot of research.
He was pretty skeptical of it himself and he interviewed all the people I'm mentioning to you
and more that I haven't gotten to yet.
And he published what he calls an open letter to the UFO community about these people and their comments.
He commented that there was a man named Wally Gentleman, a special effects guy in Hollywood,
who said that his problem...
With the Myers, if anybody was faking this stuff, he had to have an immense budget, plus expert knowledge, and he had to have a whole bank of assistance, because this guy knows, this was a man who was a director of special effects on the Canadian Film Board for 10 years, he was director of special effects for Stanley Kubrick's film 2001, he'd seen Myers' 8mm film segments.
Yeah, and the other thing, they were 8mm by the way.
That's right.
So everybody should understand this is older technology, before we can do the things we can do today.
You're right, pre-computer, pre-computer.
All of that is true.
And also that these contacts...
Didn't happen on any one single day.
The Billy Meyer contacts occurred over a very long period of time.
Is that correct?
And they're still ongoing.
And still ongoing.
Here's one that, you know, Meyer... Alright, hold that thought for a moment.
When we get back, we are going to explore the Meyer case.
Because it is intensely interesting.
And as you just heard, the experts have said they don't have a clue how what he did could have been done.
We have a recording, a very high quality recording, lasting in excess of three minutes of a Pleiadian beam ship.
And you may be one of the first ones to hear that anywhere in the world.
Coming up tonight, I'm Art Bell.
We're discussing with Michael Thorne the ongoing Billy Meyer contact case in Switzerland.
Why a Swiss farmer for contact with a human race and information that will boggle your mind.
You're going to be hearing about that but we've got a recording of a beam ship coming up.
I suggest you ready your tape recorders out there if you'd like a copy of this coming up shortly.
All right, once again, back to Michael Horn.
Michael, I want to set up this recording to play for the audience here in a second.
So anything else you know about it?
Somewhere between 75 and 78 it was recorded.
Let me see if I can recall exactly when that was done.
I believe it could have been 1980, but there'll be information.
Yeah, that was like July of 1980.
July of 1980.
All right.
Do we know exactly who recorded it?
Well, Billy himself.
Billy Meier himself recorded this?
Yes.
And then it's been examined?
By sound experts.
At least three separate parties.
You've got the people I mentioned, Steve Ambrose and Nils Ragnarud and also at the Naval Undersea Labs in Connecticut.
That's the sound.
Perhaps this would be even more interesting to you.
And that is that he turned over to the investigative team a couple of metal alloy samples.
And those metal alloy samples were turned over to Marcel Vogel.
I think you know who he is.
I do, and I know about samples a little bit.
Do you know the conclusion of the analysis?
That I don't know.
Well, okay, there was a videotape that Marcel did where he set up the electron scanning microscope, and this is written about in And Yet They Fly as well.
You'll read about all this kind of old evidence, but it's important just for the listeners.
Marcel Vogel was a research chemist.
He'd been with IBM for about 22 years at the time they brought him the samples.
He held 32 patents.
He invented the magnetic disk coding memory system that IBM uses in disk memories.
And he was also a specialist in what was called the conversion of energy inside crystals.
So he was probing the crystalline structures within this metal crystal sample.
He had the most... Excuse me.
I had a really graphic demonstration of the power of crystals the other night.
Really graphic.
All you do is take them and strike them together and I've got some really good crystals and oh my gosh you get these You get these sparks, and then you get this internal fire.
This weird, lingering internal fire.
Oh, it's really weird.
You can see it in the crystal.
Oh, yes.
Well, try it sometime.
Somebody had me try it and I did it during a break and it blew me away.
Yeah, so crystals are very interesting.
Well, what Marcel Vogel had to say after looking at these crystal metal samples with his electron scanning microscopes, a quarter million dollars worth at the time, I'll give you the quote from his conclusion.
With any technology that I know of, we could not achieve this on this planet.
And I think it is important that those of us who are in the scientific world sit down and do some serious study on these things instead of putting it off as people's imagination.
That's on some physical metal samples presented to Marcel Vogel by Billy Meier and the investigative team.
Now I say this is kind of the old news only because all of this Analysis was done, I guess, early 1980s.
You know, Lieutenant Colonel Wendell Stevens was so instrumental in the investigation and contacting people and specialists and having photos analyzed.
Nonetheless, you have people that were debunking and carrying on, well, it's got to all be fake.
Of course.
Right.
So here I wanted to go to a different level of proof, to have a higher standard, something
that would be, you have to have an incontrovertible, irrefutable standard.
You raise the bar and what I came up with is the standard would be that Meyer would
have to present and publish information, specific, predictive, scientific information in advance
of terrestrial scientific experts and he would have to do it better years before any of our
scientists came up with the same findings.
And I found that information in abundance.
And what I did, and I'll tell people right now, and I've done this even recently in the past couple months,
I went on the internet and I took the things that were presented to Billy Meyer as predictions,
even in casual conversations with his Pleiadian contactors and I did Google searches.
I went into all these different countries where these things were supposed to happen.
And let me just start with the earliest.
No, no, I wanna get this recording on the air.
Oh, well, stop me for that, that'd be great.
All right, fine.
So this recording that has been so examined, it's going to be about a three minute plus cut, right?
Well, you have that much there, yes.
Yes, all right.
Well, I'm gonna play what I have in its entirety for my audience because I don't often get
to hear something like this.
So let's all be silent for about three minutes.
And what you're going to hear is a recording by Billy Meyer himself of one of the ships
that has visited him with so much information.
Here's what it sounds like.
The sound of a train.
listen.
It's a good thing I have a microphone.
you You can actually hear the wind in the microphone if you
Oh, man.
Yes.
Now, is that of a ship moving, hovering?
Do we have any...?
Yes, I can tell you what it was.
It was hovering above him, and actually his wife was there at the time, too.
It gave... It was so loud when Meyer recorded, actually, that he got a headache from it.
I was getting a little headache.
I've got phones on.
I was going to say, I hope you don't get one, too.
You're closer.
But, you know, since you play that, people might say, well, what's the big deal?
It just sounds like somebody... Let me take something out of the book for you, because people can read this from And Yet They Fly Themselves, but let me just... That's the name of the book.
You keep flying by it.
It's called And Yet They Fly.
And Yet They Fly.
That's what my website is called.
They can find it.
But here's a little bit about it.
It was discovered the sounds were a mixture of 32 simultaneous frequencies, 24 with them within the audible range, 8 of them outside of it.
Now Steve Ambrose said that the sound recordings have a number of surprising characteristics.
How can they be produced?
He wasn't speaking of how the carriers can duplicate something of the kind, but how it was possible to get these things on a spectrum sound analyzer and on the oscillograph.
He said it's one thing to create something that sounds like the recorders, but another to create something that sounds
like them and still has those consistent and random oscillations in it.
You could also hear a little bit of wind in the microphone.
Yes. He was outside.
Jim Dilettoso went and got another independent verification from the United States Navy Sonar Sound Lab.
And the guy there, Mr. Robin Shulman, said the equipment was set up to analyze for 50 or 60 Hertz line frequencies, which are common electrical outlets.
Meyer could not have used any electrical AC source to produce the sounds.
If the device that generates the sounds were an electric motor or machine, the line frequencies would be evident, but none were detected.
It goes on and on.
There's an analysis, you know, more about how this is just too unusual for a guy, a farmer out in the field with a cassette recorder to come out with.
So, this really is presented, look, people can research this and find out all this evaluation that was done Before 1987, that really showed that this was authentic, and that was very troublesome because the content of the conversations disturbed a lot of people.
Yeah, I hear you.
Alright, now, before we get to that, on my site right now, people will go to mysiteirfbell.com, click on program, tonight's guest info, you'll see the name Steve Smith.
Steve, there are a number of Well, first of all, we've got the MPEG-3 audio clip.
If people would like to download it for themselves, thank you very much for that.
Then there are several websites listed.
Where would somebody see the best Billy Meyer photographs?
Well, you know, on And Yet They Fly, my book website, we already took some of the nice, clear photos out of the book and a couple of the pages and put it in the gallery there.
They will be able to Jump around from there, they can go to the billymeyer.com website.
There's an abundance, even Jim Dilettoso's website, pardon me, James Deardorff's website there has links to photos, so there's plenty of that.
You know, Meyer's taken hundreds of these things.
Okay, now wait a minute, I'm on andyettheyfly.com.
Right.
Where is, oh, Photo Gallery, okay, what a dummy.
Right below this, I see it, Photo Gallery, and oh yes!
Oh, yes.
Click on an image to enlarge.
These are spectacular photographs, folks.
And, of course, it's bogging down because everybody in the world is going up there right now.
Well, there's over 70 in the book.
You can tell from the book you have in your hands that they're nice color plates.
It's not a cheap production.
They've got over 70 color photos in there.
And not only do they have color photos of the ships, which are outstanding, some of the landing tracks, the beam weapon that they loaned him.
Right.
Okay.
Oh my goodness, the hole in the tree.
I've been there.
I've seen it.
There's so much here to talk about.
I don't mean to be too excited about it, but this is an opportunity to let people do some... No, there's plenty of reason to get excited about all of this.
Believe me.
Okay.
Believe me.
When you hear the predictions, you'll get really excited.
I understand why.
I just thought it very important before we got to any of the predictions, you know, to establish some of the investigative work that's going on with regard to the Meyer contacts, which again began when?
Oh my goodness, well, the truth of the matter is he went public in 75 as he was having, but he had his first contact in about 1942 when he was 5 years old.
He's been having contacts for 60 years.
Alright, everybody would ask, look, you've got the White House, you've got the Kremlin, you've got the capital of China, there are so many places that Alien beings could choose to come down and begin contact with the human race that a Swiss farmer
I mean, just, you know, everybody's obviously going to say, what the hell?
Why a Swiss farmer?
And it's a reasonable question.
Okay.
Would you, would you like a reasonable answer?
Yes, I sure would.
Okay.
Well, I don't know that it'll be a satisfactory answer, but it'll be a reasonable answer.
Take your best shot.
Let's put it this way.
And this, again, this is, let's put this in the realm of speculation.
I can give you facts and I can give you speculation, make of it what you will.
What is said about Meyer is that he, um, He is an unusual man in terms of his spirit.
We sometimes say soul or spirit interchangeably.
In this case, they are very specific.
They say the human spirit, that which incarnates millions of times and millions of times in
the course of evolution as different personalities that have nothing in common with each other,
that don't know each other, etc., that Meyers' spirit is particularly suited through his
abilities and his character to be a contact person who would not only be able to be tutored
and brought up to speed in a lot of things, but would have the strength of character and
devotion to withstand what is ultimately now almost 20 assassination attempts and the onslaught
of vilification.
Yes, of course.
And so it's just, he's not a perfect person and the people that visit him aren't perfect.
Has Billy himself actually asked them, why me?
Yes.
And it was that he, on a spiritual level, has agreed to have this mission be part of
his life in this lifetime.
He's simply qualified and capable for this.
It's just like you have a qualification and a quality that makes you superior at your
job that you've chosen to do.
This is your mission.
You have a radio show.
Someone else's mission is being an airline pilot or a cook.
Or a NASA employee or somebody who works at the White House.
Why choose this Swiss farmer?
The real answer would be, well, why not?
I was once asked this in Hawaii when I was giving a lecture.
Somebody said, well, the same thing.
Why not?
I said, because they chose him.
You're hearing about it.
Had they chosen, had they contacted other people, would you hear about it if the scientists, the government people... You make a very good point there.
I hate to tell you, some of those contacts were attempted.
And Meyer... Well, here's something from the case.
There was an opportunity for us as a planetary people to have contacts with these humans.
But the stipulation was that Meyer was to be the intermediary because he had been tutored in this and prepared for it and he was having the contacts.
And they approached some very powerful government people who declined.
It did not suit their egos.
And so that opportunity was lost because it did not suit the egos of the people.
Now that's the way it's told.
Is that true?
I don't know.
But that's the story.
There's some things I can prove for you here, there's some things I can only tell.
And other things, people have to find out for themselves.
Yeah, yeah.
Um... These photographs were... God, they're incredible.
And now the site is getting slammed.
It's hard to get an enlargement right now, but the thumbnails are there.
It's really getting slammed.
I know that we'll keep the site up obviously for people and if they'll be patient, if it
doesn't work for them tonight to just keep the info or come back to your site and jump
to us.
But we want people to really do this work for themselves because what we're leading
to here, believe it or not, the UFOs are the least important part of it.
That's my take.
Okay, the Pleiadians, there's the Pleiadians and then the Plejurians.
Plejurians is what they actually call themselves.
Let me explain what the story is on that.
When Meyer came out publicly in 75, he talked about Pleiadians, Pleiadians, Pleiadians.
And you notice then there were a lot of people who appeared who were talking about Pleiadians
And you notice then there were a lot of people who appeared who were talking about Pleiadians
and channeling Pleiadians.
and channeling Pleiadians.
Yes, absolutely.
Yes, absolutely.
This was built into the case so that in the late 90s, Meyer was allowed to publish the
This was built into the case so that in the late 90s, Meier was allowed to publish the
fact that they are not Pleiadians.
fact that they are not Pleiadian.
They refer to themselves and are known only as Pleiaren because the word Pleia and Pleiades,
Pleiaren is how they refer to themselves.
That J in there is kind of an I or Y sound.
They put the word Pleiades out because they exist and live in an altered time-space configuration
in the direction of the Pleiades, but we know the Pleiades as we see them cannot support
human life or life of any form.
The stars are too young.
They did that deliberately because they knew that there would be a whole spate of people
that would come out claiming to be in touch with them and other Pleiadians and channeling
what have you.
So they did it and they allowed Meier to take the hits on a lot of things including that.
All right, hold tight right there.
We're at the top of the hour and we'll be right back.
All right.
Coast A.M.
My guest is Michael Horn, and we're talking about a Swiss farmer who continues to have contact I'm Art Bell.
If I were you, I'd stay right in that seat.
If you've ever wondered what the Billy Myers story is all about, if you've never seen the really good photographs, if you've never heard a beam ship, then we've got the show for you tonight.
I'm Art Bell.
I'm a rock star.
I'm a rock star.
What's in a name?
The point is, Pleiadians, whatever, they're extraterrestrials and they're in contact and have been for a long, long time now with this Swiss farmer.
So now, I guess, at this point, with all the documentation of this case, sound, video, audio, still photographs of 8mm stuff that couldn't be faked, all of this important documentation after this we should begin asking about the
Pleiadians themselves.
And the first question out of any Earth person's mouth, other than am I going to die,
probably would be why are you here? Why are you on Earth?
Well, let me give you a little answer. And let me just interject something,
because as impressive as all that information and documentation is, it really isn't even to me
as impressive as what we'll get into that's happened since all of that.
So that would be my first question.
Why are you here?
Here we go.
This is a critical time from their perspective in human evolution because they see us as far outstripping our spiritual development by our technological abilities.
We've become quite enchanted and entranced with our ability to plunge rapidly forward
and develop things.
Not us.
Not us.
However, from their perspective.
Oh, no, no.
I agree completely.
We're a technological society and the spiritual side of us has sort of worn away over the
decades.
No question about it.
What we haven't done, if we want to take their perspective on it, and it doesn't take an
E.T. maybe to come up with this conclusion as well, we haven't been cultivating certain
things like wisdom, understanding, self-reflection.
It's not part of the overall world's preoccupation at this point and for some time.
They are very critical and this will offend people, but you know what?
They're equal opportunity offenders.
They've got something bad to say about everybody, too.
They feel that we are too trapped in our belief systems, that we give in to grabbing onto
a cult, a religion, a belief system, and instead of being able to think and question and challenge
our way through and seek answers from within ourselves, it might sound a little bit of
a stereotypical statement, but to them, this is what we do miss.
And because of that, we've been plunging into a self-destructive greed and materialism that they are telling us will be our undoing.
And this is mapped out and has been mapped out by them and others from their races for centuries in the form of prophecies, in the forms of directions or hints or having somebody come forward to announce certain things at a certain time.
And they're saying that basically we do not see the signposts.
We neglect to recognize what's going on.
When an event occurs that's been prophesied, we are I'm not understanding that the consequence of that leads to the next thing that's prophesied.
All right, all right, all right.
Yes, yes.
Let's, let's review some of the Meyer or Pleiadian prophecies through Meyer that have been made and have come true.
That'll help.
What can you tell us about that?
Let me do that.
And let me just say I got an email from the publisher.
They said the email, the site, apparently, apparently you reach a lot of people.
I know what we do.
Just be patient with us if they can't get through to us tonight.
You know, they'll be able to order the book online, whatever they want, but be patient because your reach is a bit farther than their technological reach.
I know.
There are so many notches on our server, it's ready to fall in half.
Okay, well let me answer your question for you.
We've killed a lot of websites.
Alright, yes please.
As I mentioned earlier, what first really caught my attention that was clear in those contact notes, despite the fact that the Swiss German to English translations were difficult, was that they were very specific about things.
So I'll lay out a few specific things.
All right, please.
In his seventh contact that took place on February 25, 1975, in his 34th contact of September 14, 1975, and in the 35th contact of September 16, 1975, and all the sentences are numbered, Meyer was informed of the dangers that actually faced us from the consequences of human-caused damage to the ozone layer.
Now, this went beyond what we already knew about CFCs and combustion engines, and they said, look, your problems are that the atomic devices that you folks test and explode release what they called elementary radiations in electrical ranges that we don't even know exist.
Those electrical energies were going up and rending holes in the ozone.
They said this was allowing deadly ultraviolet rays to pass through.
It was killing off microorganisms that not only existed in the atmosphere but would exist
in the seas as well, like plankton.
And that this destruction, because there was a symbiotic relationship going on, this destruction was going to lead to problems with the food chain and genetic mutations.
All of this is documented?
Oh yeah.
I had this in my hands in 1986.
But Meyer would have been warned about the ozone layer problem in 1975.
Oh my God.
But, quite specifically about the A-bomb, now here is a headline.
Just everybody catch this one because you can find this in archives.
This was from the California Evening Outlook of November 29th, 1988.
Thirteen years later, here was the new finding.
Atom bomb testing tied to ozone depletion.
That was the headline thirteen years later after Meyer had had the conversation and published it.
Now that's not all.
Alright, may I stop you for one second?
Uh, with regard to the warning about the ozone layer, well documented, no problem there, amazing.
Now, here's what I think, Michael.
I think that if they contacted Billy Meyer with this information...
They probably did so because they had tried contacting governments or agents of governments with this information and had not gotten anywhere.
You're right on.
They actually then told him to send out all this information I'm giving you and more to the governments of the world and also to a scientist at Harvard named Michael McElroy, which he did.
And I went and I did an internet search and I found that guy listed.
And he's involved with atmospheric sciences and things.
The only response Meyer got from 300 mailings I believe it was the West Germans who said, thank you.
That was the only response.
Now, remember... You see, Michael, there are many people who view many things going on around us right now, like chemtrails and the experiments being conducted with the ionosphere and all the rest of it, as having something to do with some kind of attempt at mitigating the circumstances that we may be facing right
now. So could it be that when Billy Meyer was warned, the governments were warned
and they are damn well aware of what we're facing and what we're seeing
in our atmosphere is some attempt to mitigate what otherwise is going to be an
absolute disaster?
Well, I would put that in the category of speculation and I agree with you.
I would too, but... I agree.
Let's hope that the worst case, because I've been making noises here in L.A.
about the chemtrails, and I'm thinking in their head, gosh, you know, have they caught on to what's really going on, and they're trying to remedy it by putting aluminum in the air?
I mean, that's too depressing to think about.
If I can give you a couple more.
Now, he was told about the A-bomb testing, he was told about the damage to the ozone, the food chain, and all that.
He was also told that bromine gases, not only CFCs, but bromine gases were another contributing factor.
Now, in the Los Angeles Times, February 24th, 1992, ozone hole damages food chain 17 years after Meyer,
after Meyer published it.
Then in 1991, one year before, I heard on NPR radio, a scientific report announcing that there was a discovery
that bromine gases indeed were damaging the ozone.
And these are gases that are used like in fumigation, agriculture, wood treatment for woods
that are exported to Japan, stuff like that.
Now, you can find this on the internet now, the connection between bromine gases and the ozone damage.
And I could not find anything earlier than late 80s or 90s on that.
And he published it in 75.
Okay.
Now that, we're just, you know, this is the beginning.
He had a 45th contact on February 25th, it was like 1976.
He was warned that when we extract petroleum and natural gas from the earth, and when we dam waters in huge volumes, we are contributing to the increase of earthquakes and volcanic activity.
That was in 76.
In 1990, June 21st, an article in an L.A.
paper, Earthquakes, Oil, Interact, a scientist from Stanford University.
I've seen the article.
Yep.
And, I mean, this is the kind of thing that people who just want to debunk, they have got to understand.
They better do this research before they debunk.
Please.
There's 400 and some pages in And Yet They Fly.
They will find stuff in here that will curl their hair and We've got plenty here to go on.
Can I give you one other one?
Yes.
This one I found especially interesting.
When I read through the original contact notes, I made a note of the 31st contact.
It was July 17, 1975.
And in there, Meyer, there's a whole quote about, he was taken ostensibly to the outskirts of the planet Venus, shown the planet, and given a volume of information about it, including the height of the clouds, the nature of the gases, the percentages, the topography.
He described the surface, et cetera, et cetera.
The fact that there were, the last cloud formations were at nearly 40 kilometers of height.
There were craters here.
The landscape was wild.
Well, all this stuff.
Wendell Stephens then wrote that a year later after that in Astronomy Magazine, they announced that indeed the space probe that we sent found that the clouds were about 40 kilometers above us.
It was the same information.
And when Stephens went and visited the USGS, the U.S.
Geological Survey National Observatory in Flagstaff in February of 81, Because he was doing research on all this information Meyer had.
The project manager for the Venus topography study, Ray Jordan and Eric Eliasson, showed the relief map of Venus that they were making and it showed virtually what Meyer had described in the notes from 1975.
Alright, you've got a very strong case, Michael.
I'm going to ask you, I understand, but I'm going to ask you to look for me at the other side for just a moment.
Is there anything that Meyer predicted With information from the Pleiadians, or whatever name we want to call them, that did not come true in the specified time period.
In other words, misses.
Did he have any misses?
I'll be honest, Mark, again I'm excited about this stuff.
I have not yet finished researching everything.
To the best of my knowledge, what I've found so far, the closest thing I can say to that, is he was given dates for things which I will get to That were missed in some cases by four to five days at least according to the Searches I did on the internet as to when these things but that's as much of a miss as you've seen so far.
Yeah Maybe a week.
Maybe there was a week Wow.
Yeah, so I've got to um I'm still looking but you know, it's kind of like I once made a lecture in this I said, you know if one of Myers photos is authentic we should take this seriously when I I will take you through a Many, many predictions or prophecies that were fulfilled accurately.
This is only from the English stuff that's been translated into English.
More stuff remains untranslated in German than is available in English, and it's full of all this stuff.
How do we get to it?
Well, if you go to And Yet They Fly, there's links to the Billy Meyer site.
Well, pardon me, you've already put up BillyMeyer.com link there.
There is a forum, an international discussion forum.
Oh my gosh.
They will be... Well, in other words... You can go through the links.
That which has not been translated yet?
Oh, there's over 20,000 pages in German that haven't been translated.
How are we eventually going to get all this?
Who's working on it?
There are teams of people.
A lot of this is done by volunteers who are skilled enough to translate, and they work at their own rate of speed.
It's being translated into... There is a website address where you can go directly.
And see this stuff, because it's in several languages.
So those people out there who may either speak Italian or Spanish or German, there is a www.figu.org.
That's figu.org.
That will help launch him into finding this, because this is a process that's literally going to take years.
There's no way that 20... Meyer brought forth all 20,000 pages that are still untranslated.
And he did it with one hand.
On a typewriter that was modified for him by these people so he could type something like 1,200 characters a minute.
What's Meyers' financial situation?
Well, you know, I went over there last May for the first time in my life to meet.
These appear to be, and he included, people who spend an awful lot of time maintaining a property that they got in a very ramshackle condition, photos are all there, in 77, and they've built it into their home and center.
They all work.
Consistently.
If you go to visit the center for more than 30 minutes, you have to grab a shovel and help plant.
Meyer works there.
Meyer works also on doing his... Has Meyer turned into a kind of a cult?
People have accused that.
I haven't seen it, but let me tell you something.
Wherever there is a person who brings forward information for better or for worse, you're going to have people that will have that intention.
I think that they've done pretty darn well in kicking that away from them.
It's kind of like, you know, when somebody finds the truth, the devil wants to help them organize it.
How does Mr. Meyer view himself now?
When I went there, this might give it to you.
I was there with one of the Americans, a guy from Texas named Mark Campbell.
How long ago?
This is last May.
Okay.
We were walking on the property.
We were there to meet people and all this stuff.
Suddenly, Billy Meyer in his blue jeans and his work shirt comes bouncing out of a door with one arm and his keys and whatever else.
Mark is a gregarious Texan.
He says to him, �Billy, I just want to thank you for everything you've done for everybody.� Billy just looks at him and says, �Don't mention it.
It's my duty,� and walked away.
That was kind of the energy the guy was like.
There was nothing special about the man.
He was plainly not special.
And you didn't have Cadillacs lined up?
No, no, no, no.
These are people, the people involved, and I've met these people, I've now met actually about a dozen people who've also seen the ships.
Two who've also photographed them.
But these are people who have other work.
They come over to this center basically to make it a place where people can come and view the photos I don't know.
learn about the case, take the information, go back to their countries or their homes
or whatever, but most of these people are working as teachers or carpenters or what
have you.
They made a very good point of it when I first met them.
They said, ìPlease do not think we are more spiritual or evolved than anybody.
Weíre simply fascinated and interested and we live here.
Weíve had an opportunity to be close to this.
Donít project stuff on us that we are not.î All right, so theyíre not turning this into the Billy Meyer
religion, are you?
Hopefully not.
I donít see that, but I will tell you that there will always be people that will think
that because a man has had a certain experience he should be exalted.
That is not what this is about.
Not for me.
All right, all right.
When we get back from the break, I guess I would like to hear more about predictions that were made and that have come true.
Then, if you have them, I'd like to move on to predictions that have been made and have not yet come true.
I have a ton of those, too.
All right, stay right where you are.
Well, I think we've laid a pretty good foundation with regard to the Billy Meyer case.
We'll do just a little bit more of that and then I think I want to move into what's coming.
Because if you can verify history, then you might just want to continue and find out what's directly ahead.
Trust me when I tell you you're on a ride in the middle of the night.
With Michael Horn, all on the Billy Meyer case.
And if you listen very carefully, we'll move through a couple of other things he successfully predicted.
And then we'll move into the future, if you'll just stay right there.
Alright, back now, right away, uh, to Michael Horn.
Michael, uh, welcome back.
Alright, a couple of other things, if you will, that Mr. Meyer I don't want to say predicted, because Billy Maher did not predict these things.
He simply passed them on from the Pleiadians.
Yes, the ones we're talking about, indeed.
May I give you, I want to give you a little quote.
It's from somebody else that I think you know.
And the quote is, science is best defined as a careful, disciplined, logical search for knowledge about any and all aspects of the universe, obtained by examination of the best available evidence and always subject to correction and
improvement upon discovery of better evidence.
What's left is magic and it doesn't work.
That quote, the reason I read it, is from the not so amazing Randy.
Now, the reason I read it is because today is the one year anniversary, strangely enough,
of my getting in touch with an organization called CFI West in Los Angeles, which is the
skeptics organization.
And I just want to tell you before I march through the rest of the stuff, I went in there with the videotapes showing the beam ship, books with the photos, and I'm not going to name the man I met.
He's a nice gentleman, but he works for this organization as an investigator.
I showed him all this.
He assured me that it was all hoaxed and fake and that he could duplicate it.
And that he would even go so far as to get a film camera and a photo camera, the same type, and he would show me how easy it was to do this.
You know, I'd like to go to a skeptics meeting.
I bet they're fun.
I wonder what they sit around and do at a skeptics meeting.
Well, I'm skeptical the whole thing, to tell you the truth.
I haven't gone.
But I did meet with this gentleman.
I then spoke with him after he'd obtained the two cameras.
And I stayed in touch on the phone with him.
I met with him two or three times.
And there was always some reason he couldn't quite get to it.
And I said to him one day, I finally said, look, do me the favor.
Take your computer, your special effects, digital Photoshop, anything you want.
But what I would only ask you to do if you want to be a sport is duplicate this stuff with one arm.
It's now one year later.
It's been very silent.
They've failed to duplicate one of anything.
All you need is one arm.
I mean, for the mouse, right?
Piece of cake.
Yeah, piece of cake.
So they haven't done it, huh?
No.
All right.
All right.
Now, again, though, to the Meyer.
Let's go to the Meyer.
Yes.
All right.
Let me go back around the astronomical stuff.
Because this was a kind of very fertile period of time for Meyer when he was ostensibly being taken directly to see different planets and to gather information on them.
Now, Wendell Stevens has had the contact notes in his possession for this particular date that I'm going to refer to.
This was the 19th of October, 1978.
It was 115th contact.
He showed them, as well, to two people that he trusted.
One was a man named Major Rudolf Pestelotsev, USAF, retired, and a Mr. Richard, O. Richard Norton, who was the former director of the Flandrau Planetarium in Tucson.
Okay.
Okay.
So he wanted to verify that they had seen these things, they had them in their possession.
Now, because I get a little blurry-eyed late at night, I'm just trying to do this as best I can.
He, that is Meyer, produced evidence Regarding Jupiter, and it was given to him during this particular voyage, and he put it into this contact to condense it.
Essentially, he said, Jupiter has 17 moons.
There's rings around it.
The red spot is actually a rotating funnel-shaped storm.
There was, at many kilometers, a large cloud formation in the storm, rotating counterclockwise.
rings from the particles that were flung off of the EO volcano on that little moon of Jupiter,
which is the most volcanically active body in the solar system, he published at that
time, had contributed to these rings.
He said that EO's...
Okay, all that's very impressive.
Is there any other terrestrial way that Mr. Meyer could have known all of this?
No, because first of all, we still don't know that Jupiter has 17 moons.
We've come to 16, maybe it's pronounced Io?
Io is one moon, yeah.
Okay, and he also talked about Europa as being an icy moon.
These things apparently we did not discover until subsequent to that.
I believe that it was in 1980 that we discovered, Star and Sky magazine mentioned the discovery
of the 16th moon.
And of course, this, Meyer had already published this.
And the storms and so forth.
And the storms.
In his 150th contact of October 10th, 1981, he reports that there are actually 19 moons of Saturn.
and that he notes the existence and the origin of the Adonis asteroids
from the former planet, Melona or Malbec or Phaeton, that used to exist, that was destroyed.
That's another piece of speculation in terms of the origin of the asteroids,
but that's what they have told him. So we still don't know that there's 19 moons.
And all of this information is based on Mr. Myers actually going to these places.
being shown and being given the information.
This has already been printed in books that in addition to the contact notes that I had in my possession in 86, this stuff was printed by Wendell Stephens.
Does Billy Meyer have any pictures of the Palladians?
He has no portraits in the book and yet they fly.
You will see drawings of some of them that were authorized and are supposed to be extreme good likenesses.
And there are no actual photographs of these.
There's a simple reason.
Why?
According to them, they do not want to be deified.
They don't want cults made about them as we tend to do here on things that are seemingly
larger than our life.
Well, and they certainly are a more advanced race than ours.
Well, let's remember that what they're talking about is their forefathers setting in motion
a lot of the stuff that has helped us to be a not so advanced race.
And there's a certain, if you want to use the word, karma, a self-obligated mission, they call it, for them to assist us to come out of stuff, but they're not going to interfere.
They don't want deification.
They don't want to be attacked.
The Prime Directive.
Probably so.
I'm not a science fiction fan.
People always talk about Star Trek.
I don't... The Prime Directive is simple.
You don't interfere with developing civilizations.
There you go.
You know, with higher technical stuff.
Okay.
You just don't do it.
Well, a lot of the stuff that I've been telling you so far, by the way, are from the contact notes.
A lot of this is in And Yet They Fly.
People can read it and they can actually trace this back and know that it was published on the dates they weren't mentioned.
There's a sketch of Samyaze, the woman who is the main contact person.
Well, let's jump to some more recent fulfilled predictions that I went and found on the internet.
All right, I don't need too many more of these because I want to jump ahead, but go ahead.
Okay, sure.
He had a contact at number 235 on February 3rd of 1990.
They predicted that there would be an earthquake in February of 1992 on the 28th of February in California.
That was only a mere three weeks prior, but it was the date of the Upland earthquake.
It goes on and on.
I understand.
Nuclear accidents, really.
He had a contact that was on February 3, 1992, and that was contact 241.
In there, among other things, was a nuclear accident in Russia that would take place, they said, during the third week of March.
The actual date of that accident was March 27, 1992.
Good enough for me.
That's what I consider a solid base of information.
People can go and check on this themselves.
Right, and there's a lot of it.
All right, fine.
Now, if you wouldn't mind, Michael, begin to give us information that... Pertains to Nelmore?
Well, now and the future.
In other words, stuff that has not yet happened, but nevertheless is being warned about.
Is warned the right word?
Yeah, I think it is.
It's a simple, accurate word.
It's kind of like we're being nudged.
Hey folks, if you want to wake up, because their thing is if we want to destroy ourselves, no one's going to come and there's not going to be a liftoff.
No one's coming to save us.
We own our consequences of our own actions.
So let me give you something that seemed to be, you know, because a lot of people say, well, why don't they help us with these things?
Here's something they told Meyer in 94 about mad cow disease.
And they said that these BSE pathogens cannot be destroyed through the temperature methods that we're currently using.
That we actually have to look at temperatures that are anywhere between 1,228 degrees Fahrenheit and 1,768 degrees.
Well, that is help then.
There is help, because when I went on the internet to look at the temperatures, we were still working in the 700 and slightly above Fahrenheit range.
We were not yet, when I looked last, anywhere near 1,200 to 1,700 Fahrenheit.
All right.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
And one other thing that jumped out recently, because it was just from February 17th that The British Telegraph and other publications had an article about America launching the laser of death.
Oh yes, I read the article.
Now you probably also know then that the laser they're talking about is called a coil or a chemical oxygen iodine laser?
That's exactly correct, yes.
Alright, now I'm not a scientist but you know I'm looking, I'm putting pieces together.
The quote I had in the coil, the power of a chemical reaction is converted to laser energy and the weapon can carry on firing as long as the power source is intact.
That is an exact quote actually, yes.
It is.
Now, July 6th, 1977, and prior to that also on September 29th, 1976,
Meyer was given a laser pistol that operates by, here it is, combining two different elements to generate the beam.
Mayer was not only given that weapon, he was photographed with it.
One of the ETs, with the exception of her face, in her gold space suit, if you will, was photographed holding it.
And more importantly, Mayer was allowed to shoot it at a dead apple tree on his property.
Now, here's the thing.
And I spoke with Wendell Stephens about this.
That when they went there they thought maybe he had just simply taken like a welding torch and tried to bore through the tree.
Yes.
They measured for temperature for the bore of the hole.
Yes.
It exceeded anything that could have been done.
Plus the tree probably wouldn't have been set on fire by a torch.
The other thing, they ran a plumb line through the hole.
All the way back through as far as they could carry it, everything was singed.
In a straight line.
Wow.
Now that tree came back because it was dormant.
It came back online and started to bear fruit.
I have stuck my finger in that hole.
It's there.
This is a two chemical laser weapon which was for the Playarons, or the people that owned it to them, a 600 year old relic.
That we're just developing at the moment.
That we're developing.
That was an antique and they let him play with it.
Those photos are in the book.
People can, you know, go ahead and hassle it out there.
All right.
Okay, so you probably want to move... I do.
I mean, having laid such a solid foundation, and I do think you did very well here, I do want to move ahead and hear what's coming.
All right, so let's move into some of the stuff that's a little less cheery.
Okay.
I'm not going there because I want to depress anybody, but they always talk about, we are not diplomats, we don't cater to diplomacy and flowery words, we tell things as they are.
Let's go.
They have laid out five points that they say are essential for us to pay attention to if we want to avoid some of the catastrophes that we are paving the way towards.
Here's one of them.
The first one is overpopulation.
Now from their perspective, They have calculated and all this material is published.
They talk about what the actual sustainability of the planet is.
We are something like ten times over it.
And the problem is not just that there's a lot of people, but overpopulation leads To starvation, to strife, to environmental destruction, disaster, to illegal immigration, because you have refugees flooding into the country.
So that means that we ought to have perhaps a half billion people, three quarters of a billion people on planet Saturn.
A little more than a half a billion.
But instead we have six billion and really going.
Yes.
Now let me just clarify that with prophecies, these are generally negative things because it's showing what what is being dictated by our actions, what we're doing in
our state of evolution.
That's fine.
So what they say there is we've got to, if we wanted to take control of this, we would
have to enforce a system of birth regulation and they actually have, I don't mean the physical
method of it, but there's actually a regulation of births, how they show you to go about it
so that we cease overproducing humans, let the planet recover, let humans recover.
That's step one, I won't overdo it.
The second thing... But that's impossible.
Well, if our thinking dictates that, and I wouldn't be arguing with you right now.
Look, we have powerful religious forces that are totally contrary to that and other belief systems.
However, I will tell you this.
There are people at the top of governments or even some people believe beyond the top of known governments.
Who are saying some really, from our point of view as the populace, really dark things about the need for population control.
Yeah, but the way they may want to go about it.
I know.
I know, alright, so you're saying, they're saying that's... There's a method, and I don't mean to talk about it and make it exactly like the method, but there's a method, a mathematical method of how to control it so that we can let things catch up and we'll be fine with the, you know, by reducing the population in a natural way.
And if we don't?
We are contributing to our own destruction, and here are the other four steps.
If we don't cease the exploitation of the earth and environment... See, it doesn't take an ET to tell you this, I'll tell you right away, but here's what they said.
Extracting petroleum and gas and ores and destroying forests, we're killing ourselves.
If we don't cease, next point, atomic testing and development of what they call the chain reaction bomb.
This was told to Meyer in 76 and it hasn't been changed.
There was a bomb in development that would have ignited the atmosphere of the planet within eight minutes.
There would have been no chance of saving anything here.
And they were going to test it.
That test was interfered with.
They also suggest the destruction of all constructed dams.
Wait a minute.
Hold on.
That's too big what you said.
You said there was a weapon developed, some sort of chain reaction nuclear device or whatever.
That, uh, would have, actually would have ignited the atmosphere, which was what they were worried about when they built the first atomic bombs.
They were worried that could occur, and you're saying they actually, they as in we as in the U.S.
probably, or the U.S.
as in ours?
More than likely worked towards the creation and testing of that device.
And you're saying they tried to deploy and test that device?
What I understand is it was interfered with.
It was interfered with.
Now, I don't know if that means that... Now, whether or not the government had been officially contacted, believe me, if a test of that magnitude was screwed with by others, that would be... Nobody would get a clue.
More than a clue.
They would absolutely have confirmation that what they're doing is being observed and now there's been intervention.
So you've contradicted yourself.
On the one hand, you said earlier, they would do nothing to interfere
with our own destruction.
Well, this clearly falls under that category.
Different category.
They won't allow the physical planet itself to be destroyed because of the consequences
that are implicit in the destruction of a planet.
If a planet explodes, it can have consequences that even go beyond its solar system.
And they, so they're very clear about that.
They said, look, if you folks want to kill yourselves off in the third world war and all the rest of this stuff
that I'll get to, we're not interfering, but we will stop the destruction of the planet
because it has consequences far beyond.
I know.
Okay, I'm with you now.
Yes, I'm with you now.
And this would have or had the potential to destroy the entire planet.
They said it would have taken seven to eight minutes and it would have been gone.
Just destroyed.
You know, we have brilliant minds that take left turns.
Uh, we do.
So, the other thing, just to sort of get the last two in for you, destroying, you know, deconstructing dams, huge dams, because they do contribute to earthquakes, as do the building of concentrated cities with immense concentrations of skyscrapers and other things.
We are not yet aware of how we imbalance the plate.
Yeah, but how about this?
Hydroelectric power is one of the cleanest forms of production of energy That we have and the other stuff they're talking about that emits all these gases and is getting us into so much damn trouble.
I mean, I don't know whether they mentioned that or not, but to disassemble the hydroelectric dams would be to take away one of the cleanest forms of energy.
We are probably using our ingenuity.
If we are focused on producing clean energy and even using that method or finding another means of using that method, I'll bet we can do it if we really thought it was important to us.
Again, I'm not a scientist.
Okay, but they're saying the... That the dams themselves pose a danger because of the physical concentration of the huge volumes of weight in inappropriate places on a planet.
These aren't mountain ranges that are supported from deep within the earth.
Yeah, yeah.
I hear you.
In other words, an artificial dam would put an incredible amount of weight in a place that Did not have it before.
I don't know what the consequences of that are, do they say?
They say that this, in concert with our extraction of the synovial fluid of the planet, which is petroleum, imbalances the plates, and because there are natural forces that contribute to earthquake and volcano anyhow, we are precipitating more disastrous and more frequent occurrences because of these combinations of ingredients.
And the damning of water is contributing to that.
All right, uh, hold it right there.
So in other words, the very energy that we need to exist, six billion of us and going fast, is what will do us in.
Okay?
You are obviously listening to one of the most impassioned, interesting renditions of the Billy Meyer material ever on the radio, as far as I'm concerned, and I've been on the radio for a while.
I'm Art Bell, my guest is Michael Horn, and he'll be right back.
All right, the devil winds have begun to blow in the desert in the last hour or so.
Winds are now clocking at 30, headed toward 40 miles an hour.
As I speak to you, we're really getting blown around here in the desert, so...
It should make for an interesting night, I would say.
Once again, here is my guest, Michael Horne.
Michael?
Hi, Art.
I wanted to just say something because right before the break, it sounded like a big downer that, you know, if we were going to dismantle these plants, power plants... Well, I'm trying to envision... You see, I'm looking at this politically.
If we stop drawing oil from the ground, if we dismantle the hydroelectric plants and take down the dams
and let everything revert to the way it was, guess what?
We're going to revert to the way it was as well because without all of that
the lights don't shine, the computers don't compute and you know it's just, I don't see a way out of that one.
Do any of us really doubt that if tomorrow suddenly the last drop of oil was being extracted that
that made big power companies wouldn't have put all of it together.
I mean, they'd find some way.
And what these people are apparently saying to Meyer is, because we're going to get now into the meat of the matter for you in terms of what's called Contact 251, where the prophecies for these times.
That's what I want.
And they do, see, we have a choice.
Prophecies are, Things that point ways and some things can happen.
If we decide that we want to go in another direction, we as a collective consciousness
can do it.
By the way, the last thing they said is that we do have to eliminate all nuclear power
stations.
They are toxic.
We do not have the technology to deal with it safely and that was the fifth of those.
Let's move on to what you want, which is now dealing with kind of the from here on in a
way.
Okay.
There are 13 pages of this in the book and yet they fly in detail.
This was taken down by Billy, actually presented by Billy on February 3rd, 1995.
He created this and showed it to the Playarens who basically signed off on it.
It had been on the internet for a couple years.
I downloaded it.
I have the date still on my page.
11-20-98.
I downloaded it.
Now, the reason that's important is I want to read you something here.
And some of the words in German, they are still in the translations.
They're occasionally choosing one word over another.
And the next book should have, you know, all the super refined choices.
But here it is.
Sure.
From February 3rd, 1995, here's the beginning of a prophecy or a prediction.
It turned out, I think, to be a prediction.
And I quote, Expect a strike involving the USA and its president, which will stun the entire world.
Uprisings, revolutions, wars will escalate tremendously with Islamic fundamentalism, mesmerizing the entire globe, playing a very sad part in the scenario.
1995.
Expect a strike.
Okay, so somebody's got a glimpse into the future, but this is a mix-and-match prophecy.
Some of the things that Meyer spoke about were the benefits of genetic engineering and modification.
Any science has its positive and negative applications.
They have encouraged us to not protest genetic engineering for the sake of its science, but to monitor and sit tight in watching which direction it
takes so that we can make sure that that technology goes to our benefit.
There will be something that they have emphasized even in previous material.
There will be the discovery and the rectification of what they call the aging gene, also known
by them as the original sin.
Oh, really?
Yes.
Now, I'll just fill you in a little on this again.
People can read more about this, but here's somewhat the heart of the matter.
When you spoke about that tooth, I haven't forgotten that tooth of yours from last show, last hours before me, they said that when humanity understands its true origins and and understands what has been done to it by its distant forefathers, the genetic engineering that limited the lifespan to approximately 100 years.
Now we're talking about, what would you say, creator gods for want of a better term, and these were always humans.
In the star system of Sirius, now just go into a little bit of this and if you You know, if you want to stop me just to go back, I won't miss out on these prophecies.
I've got them right in front of me.
I'll give them to you.
But what they wanted to tell us was this, that farther back than we could even imagine, several tens of millions of years ago, humans had already developed in other parts of the universe, in the constellation of Lyra or Lyra, in the Vega system, and some had migrated into the system of Sirius, the star system of Sirius.
They had become extremely advanced.
and highly spiritual in many ways, technologically advanced, but what they did to themselves
was to engineer out of themselves the aggression and the barbarism that they found offensive
in their pursuit of spirituality.
They degenerated themselves to the positive, is the way to play Ernst put it.
They then became susceptible to attack from other already space traveling races who had
not made this alteration in themselves and were all too happy to come in for the picking
so to speak.
These beings in Sirius then created another human race, genetically engineered and implanted and generated and promoted the barbarism, the fighting instincts that they had minimized inside themselves.
They were masters of the laws of science.
They created these people to be warriors for them and deliberately set this lifespan at about a hundred years so that they could not, being very long-lived themselves, they could not be threatened to be overthrown.
At a point in this history, which is, here we're back to the speculation in Star Wars, but what is said is that they then determined that these beings, millions of them, had served their purpose and they were to be destroyed.
certain members of their own highly evolved minions if you will
took masses of these people in huge ships and fled from the Syria system because ethically and
morally they objected to this and this was the beginning
of what has been handed down to us in holy books and spoken word legend
and I mean we could do a show on this it is an immense thing and I believe we will find more and
more of the evidence now Meier has said more than likely by now by this date
scientists have actually either recognized but have certainly stumbled upon the aging gene
There will be a series of developments where the lifespan will be bumping up in increments, the next increment they put at about 145 years.
From then it will go up because in order for us to become truly a space-traveling race, we will have to regain these biblical, seemingly mythical lifespans.
900 years.
And it is within us.
and it is in the original sin gene.
Well, the original sin was the alteration, the limiting on the lifespan.
Now, we will, in the process of this, and you're going to have Richard Holden on,
we will make discoveries of previous human habitation of Mars.
The structures and the artifacts that we see from Earth are only literally the surface of the table.
Boy, it sure looks headed that way.
We've got new news on Mars tonight.
Rich will be here to update it tomorrow night.
It's true.
Water, water, water everywhere on Mars.
It was one of three inhabited planets of humans.
There is again material and yet they fly that describes us, that tells us.
There is a history here to who and what we are, which is why we're pushing forward in this Contact 251, because it gets heavy.
It does really make sense that Mars had life.
It just makes sense.
More and more, as we discover more and more.
Well, there's going to be, in our evolution, there's a couple things coming our way.
There will be, now again, Meyer wrote about this in detail in 95, about chip implantations, Uh, nerves being hooked up directly to various biochips, human species being put into android robotic forms, half-human, half-machines, um, human and pig DNA experiments.
He wrote about this before it took place because he said we will... When did he write about that?
This was 95.
Aye, aye, aye.
And not only that, where it leads in terms of a hybrid warrior part pig, human, that will be bred.
These are some of the wild things, you know, that sounds like science fiction, but Here's where it gets, um, there's two things that are looming.
One is seemingly unavoidable, and that is a deep impact scenario that they have described and they've given the location.
They will not give the date of it.
It doesn't seem like it's immediately imminent, but they've said we do have to construct a defense system against asteroids and incoming bodies.
They described how the actual continent of Atlantis was destroyed by a deliberately engineered asteroid chunk And this is something else where I found evidence that they're probably right about that.
And then I heard a lecture by David Adair and many things have fallen into place, but I'm trying to move along here because I know you want this.
So that's something we have to look out for according to him.
Now here's where it gets into the heavies about war.
And this is the type of thing that will probably, it's going to irritate people, but this is in there.
Meyer's a guy who has put up with almost 20 assassination attempts.
The least I can do is read the material.
Sure.
There are signals of a looming third world war that they say we must heed and some of them will be clear.
Some of them we may even be perceiving.
There will be a hoarding of weapons, a stockpiling of weapons worldwide.
And this will all come after there had been difficult economic times that are being rectified.
There will be a new and very extremely destructive weapon that would be built and that would play a part in this war.
But here, one of the signposts they talk about, the death of four heads of state who will die within seven days from each other.
Now, within two years of those events, A world war would erupt if we have not, first of all, if we have not changed the course, and we're not through with how this plays out.
The war would begin with conventional weaponry, and then it would go nuclear, chemical, and biological.
Now, at this point, I will insert something, because anybody that goes and looks at James Deardorff's site will find a document there that Meyer was a co-discoverer of in 1963 in Jerusalem.
It was translated in part by 1970.
In it, I will just tell you, from 2,000 years ago, a war fought with nuclear, chemical, biological weapons is described, not allegorically, but literally.
I'll jump away from that and let you think about it.
They talk about this war starting in November of a specific year after five years of intensive effort are spent to reach the goal.
It proceeded by all these years of, you know, unspecified preparations and armaments and what have you.
Does it specify where this war begins?
Well, I don't think exactly.
Although in a previous prediction from Meyer, I believe from 78, he talks about a chain of events that NATO and the UN will be powerless to stop.
It will erupt out of a conventional war.
One plus one plus one and then there's a nuclear war.
Now, what they're saying here is that this war, should it break out, should we not collectively wake up and say, let's do something else?
It's going to go on for three years and 11 months and then end in October of the fourth year.
I think that Americans don't understand how close to nuclear war we've been.
CNN was running some very interesting Quotes from just now released Nixon tapes right earlier in the day and Nixon Had absolute it was absolutely ready to nuke a North Vietnam Yeah, blow those bastards right off the face of the earth, you know about people who stopped it Kissinger Kissinger stopped him and and then of course there was Cuba people do not understand how close
We've come across big concern there and not escalating Vietnam War with crazy Johnson.
Yeah.
That bastard was to limit the war and to not invite Russia.
In other words, not to spark a global conflict.
And so we were only allowed to do certain things.
Got a hell of a lot of people killed.
Anyway, that's a whole nother story.
But the truth is, Nixon wanted to nuke North Vietnam.
That would have been There it would have gone.
Maybe.
Well, they continue on about this war because they're quite specific about consequences of it.
That it would last for as long as it would.
They said the Northern Hemisphere I don't want to sensationalize this.
I'm a reporter.
This is what's in there.
No, no, that's fine.
You just tell me what's in there.
Here's the rest of it.
as well but the problem that would be a source that would be a hemisphere that
would be us and i think it you know if we i'm not i don't want to
sensationalize this i'm i'm i'm a reporter this is what's in there we know
i know that's fine you just tell me what's in there here's the rest of it
it will be another eleven years of poverty starvation nuclear radiation crippling mutations
people who would even survive this would be contaminated and burned
There would be skin diseases and you know what from biological warfare it would be vicious human freaks would be coming out of this.
It would be a horror and we can stop that.
Now they are, I'll move it right to a couple points, there's another warning sign and if this occurs is virtually irrevocable then we have gone too far.
And that is if Vesuvius erupts I don't doubt it for a second.
people saying well Vesuvius you know Rome will be destroyed by that and
people have argued with this prophecy because they think that Vesuvius is you
know not close enough but the belly of that volcano goes way down and if
Vesuvius erupts that will destroy the Vatican and Rome. I don't doubt it for a
second I stood at the base of Vesuvius and looked at it and if it really let go
what you say is well. It would go.
But what they're saying is that this is because we are cosmically and organically tied.
What I don't understand is how that ties into human action or miscreant action with regard to nuclear weapons.
This is my understanding.
And again, we all have to just figure this out for ourselves.
Listen, we're at the bottom of the hour, so we're going to have to continue with this.
All right, good.
Hold on.
My guest is Michael Horne.
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Back now to Michael Horn and we may or may not get calls.
The information is coming so fast and heavy that I hate to interrupt the flow.
Michael, go ahead.
Hi, Eric.
How are you?
Oh, fine.
Well... Okay, I guess it depends on how you take the information, I guess.
Well, you know, we've come a long way.
We started off with scientific information, spaceship sounds, a one-armed farmer in Switzerland.
Now we're talking about marching through some very hopeful things but also some dreadful possibilities.
It doesn't take an extraterrestrial to say some of the things that have been said here but I will give you the most recent things that have come as of this year from Meyer and obviously with the blessings of the Pleiadians for what it's worth.
Just a couple quotes and this will probably irritate people as well but this is the way Here's the first quote was, war, assassination, hate, revenge, retaliation and other acts of terror are never a means and way to fight the same with the same.
And injustice, murder and manslaughter as well as massacre and other inhuman atrocities to atone or to create justice and peace.
Because to retaliate terror with terror means new war and hatred.
new assassination and retaliation as well as new revenge and other new terror.
You could take that I suppose and apply it to our present situation, right?
Well, the next quote sort of leads to say, in actual fact, the so-called American retaliatory
measures against the Afghanis are merely a campaign of revenge and an act of counter-terror
whereby predominantly the innocent population suffers heavy casualties, but not the terrorists
against whom this campaign is supposedly waged.
In fact, the question arises if this war, which indeed it is, is not rather an execution of a long-planned military campaign against Islam and a means to an end to secure the access to the vast resources of oil, mineral gas, and other resources of Central Asia.
Um, you know, speaking of assassination attempts, there were supposedly, how many?
Sixteen against Billy Meyer?
Eighteen.
Eighteen assassination attempts.
Do we know anything about the origin of them?
I have spoken with two people who have witnessed a total of seven of them.
Wendell Stevens sat with Meyer on the front porch during one of his interviews when Meyer's head suddenly jerked to the side.
They heard a sound coinciding.
They got up and there was a rifle bullet embedded in the wall of the residence where Meyer's head had been.
Meyer could not have voluntarily moved his head out of the way.
A man that I did some work with on the farm there, who was kind of the main Groundsman, if you will.
He was with Billy on five separate attempts.
So there are people that don't particularly like what he has to say or what he's doing and it apparently comes with the territory.
So if you want to say that he's a kind of a prophet or a message carrier, there's nothing glamorous about it because you end up getting shot at.
And that's why I want to just make it clear.
I'm a reporter.
This is what's in the material.
One other thing, if I may.
And I mentioned before that a document was discovered in 1963 and was translated by 1970 into German, then subsequently into English.
It's been published.
And there is one passage that I do want to read to you.
And it says this.
This is 2000 years old.
The structure of the Earth's sky and air will be disturbed and the land will burn because of the black oil of the Earth, ignited by people's craving for power, and the sky will darken because of smoke and fire, which will rage for a thousand days.
Prior to that, that same author, said they will build machines made from metal for use in the air on the water and on land to kill off one another they will throw heavy projectiles out of these machines made of metal across the land and the cities and fire will come out of these and burn the world so that not much will be spared they will put the cornerstones of life and deadly air into the projectiles to kindle a deadly fire and destroy land and life if
That's 2,000 years old.
It was written by one of the contactees of the Pleiadian play, 2,000 years ago.
It's all in the for what's it's worth department and that's some of it.
If people want to do the research, if they want to look into this, contemplate, dismiss,
what have you.
Well, yeah, these are very dire predictions.
Having laid the kind of foundation you did, you must be personally very concerned with
the rather immediate future, eh?
Yeah.
Sure, because a person feels at times helpless when you see the world going the way it does.
You want to make your contribution and you want to alert people.
You want to gather people together.
You want to think things through.
And it's just a difficult thing for all of us because we are so used to media.
We are so used to movies and make-believe.
We're not in make-believe anymore.
I don't think we've gotten it.
And this is very blunt stuff.
Touch the tip of the iceberg about what they're saying to us now.
And they're saying we're paving the way.
Here's the last quote I'll give you.
All of this can happen just because one single insane person, a human being without reason, mind, and responsibility craves to satisfy his power or operates with confused political or erroneous religious thoughts, feelings, and desires, etc.
Well, the world has seen that before.
Maybe not with that ultimate result, but certainly lots of attempts.
Well, frankly, I'm not in love with doom and gloom.
When I first picked up this stuff in 1979, I was fascinated with the fact that there were evolved humans living somewhere.
The book talks about how they live, what they do.
You can get a more comprehensive picture than I'm laying out, because we're focusing on some of the real meat of the matter, because this is what we've been given.
There are 13 pages of this.
You read that and if you can say, gee, that's funny, that just happened, or it looks like this is going to happen,
we'll either hear the wake-up call or we won't.
And nobody's going to come and say, hey, we're going to rescue you from your ignorance.
I guess that just leaves us cold, doesn't it?
In other words, in order to avert everything you just talked about, it would require It would require steps that mankind will not take.
It would require reducing the population to less than a sixth of what it is presently.
It would require undamming the dams that we have, stopping the oil drilling, revising the way we all live.
It would require steps that, in every practical way, I can't even imagine us beginning to take.
Can you?
I think it actually might require something else, and that is, for some reason or other, you allowed and invited me to come on and talk about this, not quite knowing where it would go.
I never know where shows are going to go.
Clearly.
I was hesitant about going all the way with this, but this is what it is, and this man A lot of different types of onslaughts to bring this forward.
Maybe he's just crazy and he's manufactured it all.
Maybe he hasn't.
Here's what I think about the moment now.
You have allowed this to go out over the airwaves.
I don't know how many listeners you have.
A couple million for all I know.
If people will just think and start thinking how do we change our own individual relationship to the world.
We don't have to, tomorrow, un-dam all the waters and flood the land.
But if we will start in our own way questioning and asking, if we will even look at what we're doing as a nation, what this war is going to lead to, it's been laid out.
This will not put an end to terrorism.
It's creating more terror.
But it's inevitable because we don't have the self-control to pull ourselves in.
Yeah, but you know something?
I've got to be honest with you here.
I understand.
These bastards took down two of our tallest buildings in New York City.
Yes.
Maybe I'm a marionette on a string, cosmically or something.
But there's no way that we can not go and kill these people.
And I don't know how much more basically I can put it.
We have to kill these people.
Now that's war.
In the true sense of the word.
Killing and breaking things.
Well they broke things and killed people and we have to respond and there's no way I can see That we cannot.
There's no way.
Personally, I speak for myself.
Sure.
Self-defense is a spiritual responsibility.
Being victimized is a crime against oneself.
It could be argued, and I'm sure this is discussed in many formats, the people that did that act are dead.
We may say we know for certain that those guys running around in Afghanistan uh... you know throwing their primitive weapons against our
special forces individuals who did it or did you have those who planned it
consent those individuals may or may not be for the most part that it's true and
and as a quote said we know only that were inflicting terrible damage
on many innocent without any guarantee that those if those indeed are
the people that perpetrated in plan to plan that act and send perpetrators to
do it so all the other hand i are are are only defense in my
opinion is that our military r c i a
those who are pursuing the people who did this are making their best attempt to kill those who actually
did this and their supporters
In a selective way, when you take two airliners and crash it into two giant buildings, you're not trying to be selective, you're just trying to kill as many as you can.
That is not our intent in the way we're waging our war.
We're going after, as selectively as we're able with the technology that we have, the people who did this.
But, you know, I'm sure that... Ultimately, we're going to find out if we're reasoning this out properly.
It's a very difficult question, but for what it's worth, department, we have people that oppose or that stand behind terrestrially what we do, what people do.
We've come to this point in this particular source of information and it resolves itself, if it does indeed, with some of these points of view.
I can't tell you just because it comes from the Pleiadians or Billy Meyer that makes it right or true and we should just drop everything and embrace that.
That would be wrong, but we've got to think.
And if the best we can do is to think of destroying people and going and attacking and killing thousands or millions of people and potentially doing what they're telling us we're doing, that is paving the way to the Third World War, then we will find out either that our actions were right and profited us and put an end to terrorism or they may have contributed to putting an end to civilization.
I understood at the time that we began this war in Afghanistan the time we went after them I told the audience that we're throwing the war dice and when you do that you really don't know what's going to come up and I stand by that and I feel that still today and that we're far from having this solved a lot of people are beginning to relax and say you know we got him well we haven't got him yet And it may well be that we are going to experience some future real terror in this country.
It may not be over at all, and everybody has to imagine that might be the case, and I think most people do.
So, yeah, when you, you know, roll the dice, you could get, you can come up with craps.
But if, on the other hand, you know, the animal instinctual deep part of me says if people if you know this is done to you and to your country and you don't respond then maybe you no longer deserve to stand any longer and that is that is stronger than my fear of where this might lead we all have to individually and collectively wrestle with this one
Can I share a quick personal thing that happened to me?
I'll just make it as brief as I can.
Sure.
It occurred to me a bare few weeks after September 11th.
I'd gone to a restaurant that had a buffet.
I was hungry and I got in there and I went back for seconds and there was a man and woman kind of in front of me.
It was an Indian restaurant.
He was a Middle Eastern man, apparent by appearance, shaved head, stocky, and I kind of was trying to reach around to get something and he looked at me and gave me a dirty look and then started commenting on how rude I was.
Oh. And before I knew it, he was facing off to me saying he wanted to take me outside
and beat the heck out of me about my trying to reach around and get this piece of chicken
and his girlfriend was all irritated and I just kind of looked at him and I went and
I sat down and I thought, well you know, I guess we could go outside and have a fight
but I'd like to finish eating first and he's glowering at me from a table and then I thought,
no wait a minute, we've just seen our country attacked and people destroyed before our very
I had this crazy idea and I got up from my table and I walked over to him and I held my hands out like an empty-handed gesture that I'm harmless.
I walked over to his table and I said, you know, and just as I was about to talk to him, a guy got up next to him from another table to leave who was a bodybuilder, one of these big guys with all this plumbing.
And I said, hey, wait a minute, buddy.
Would you have said the same things you said to me?
Because I'm a man of small stature.
If that guy was there and he said to me, you bet I would because you were rude.
You were discourteous.
I'm a courteous person.
I was raised better than that.
And I said, wait a minute.
You mean I offended you and I was rude to you?
He said, yes.
And I said, well, you know what?
I'm sorry.
I didn't get it.
But you know what?
I think I can see your point of view.
The guy leaps out of his chair, throws his arms around me as if I'm his long lost brother.
And the next thing I know, we're sitting there.
He's buying me tea.
I bought him lunch.
I'm not telling you that you can solve the problems of terrorism, but I've got these impulses in me.
I was ready to go outside and go to blows with this guy.
He was ready to go to blows with me over something.
Let's try another tact here then.
Let's suppose for a second that you were a New Yorker.
Right.
And that your sister and your mother were in the World Trade Center when it came down.
Right.
And that you were in a restaurant with somebody chuckling.
That they had had something to do with taking those buildings down.
You think you'd have ended up with his arms around you?
No.
Probably not.
No, probably not, indeed.
But I don't know where we could take that to.
What would we have done to each other and all this stuff?
But this is the thing.
You said it.
There's this animal instinct in us.
There's this thing that roars up and wants vengeance.
I did not understand enough about that until I I started to train in martial arts and got over certain
fears that wanted me to get involved with fighting with people.
This is not the solution to all of this in the big sense, but in the small sense I have
to come to terms with me and you with you and we have to figure better ways.
I don't want to be attacked, and I don't want people to be harmed either, and I think we have to defend ourselves.
We have to find out what that really means, and we're on this adventure.
We're going to find out.
I simply hope that what's in this case, because we've come to this intensely heavy moment in the discussion, I hope there'll be stuff in here, even above and beyond, that's deep within here, that people can nourish themselves on, question, criticize, accept or reject, Well, I'm all for that.
The book is called And Yet They Fly and you want to promote that.
What else do you want to promote?
Do you have tapes or do you have anything else?
Well, my personal life is a different thing.
These are spiritual elders, perhaps the extraterrestrials.
I have my own career.
I teach movement to senior citizens.
I work with elder people every day.
You've been gracious enough to list my website.
I didn't come on for that.
I appreciate it, and if anybody wants to look at that, I'm delighted.
I want to support Guido Musbrugger, and he doesn't speak English, or he'd probably be doing the interview.
The publishers are kind enough to allow me.
So you are the one sent forth by the publishers?
And I want to do it, and I'm going to be in Laughlin at that International UFO Congress.
I'm going to be speaking at MUFON in Los Angeles.
There are links on our sites to give those dates.
I have a feeling you're going to be a very popular speaker.
All right.
Is this book on Amazon?
Does the link take people over to Amazon?
I believe it is available on Amazon, yes.
We hope they'll go right to our site because we can fulfill the orders right away and that's what the publishers would love to do.
However, let them get it any way they can if they want it.
Publishers are real open about that.
They don't care how So people can get it from your site or they can probably go
to Amazon or you know several places.
They'll probably get it quicker from the publishers because they're sitting there with boxes of
them and they want to ship them out.
I guess that's the truth of the matter.
Amazing book and a lot of really well detailed high quality images in the book too.
They didn't skimp.
Yeah, they really didn't skimp.
In a lot of books, you can never get anywhere close to these kind of color images.
One last thing you should know, on Meyer's website, they have a video that was done in 1981.
If anybody doubts that Meyer is taking pictures of real spaceships, this will do it for them.
So I just say, they can get there through andyettheyfly.com.
Come on down.
We're dealing here.
I don't know.
It's 2 in the morning on the West Coast, and you've been gracious to host my conversation with you.
Well, Michael, it has been an absolute pleasure having you on the program, and I would love to have you back again.
Perhaps after you do your speaking circuit, we'll get you back on the air.
I'd love that.
Because it sounds like we barely scratched the surface.
True.
All right.
Take care, Michael.
Thank you, Art.
Right.
That's Michael Horne.
And that is, without a doubt, the best show that I think I've ever done on the Meyer case.
Actually, I didn't do it.
I just posted it.
Michael Horn did it, so he goes down as the best spokesman for Meyer that I've ever had on.
I think.
Very controversial material.
If it has caused you to want to research more, go to my website.
Go to the name Michael Horn under tonight's program, or if it passes into tomorrow, yesterday's program, and begin your search.
For now, from the windy high desert, I'm Art Bell.
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