John Hutchinson, a self-taught Canadian scientist, demonstrated the "Hutchison effect" in 1979 using Tesla coils (up to 2MV), RF generators at 455 kHz, and military surplus gear like a Westinghouse transformer. Witnesses—including Boeing engineers and U.S. military personnel—documented levitation, metal transmutation, and interdimensional distortions, with anomalies extending 300 feet. NASA explored his tech in 1997’s Advanced Propulsion Workshop, but Hutchinson refused weaponization, fearing secrecy. His lab was seized in 1990 under false PCB claims, and later experiments under the Alex Fraser Bridge were blocked by RCMP. Though open to collaboration (via HFECT@infinite.net), he remains skeptical of replication due to resource limits, leaving his work’s potential—from space travel to atmospheric repair—both intriguing and frustratingly elusive. [Automatically generated summary]
What you're going to see is just about beyond belief.
We have video clips of heavy objects levitating.
Canadian John Hutchinson is a self-taught scientist who reports to have accidentally stumbled upon a collection of phenomena now known as the Hutchinson effect.
During attempts to study the longitudinal waves of Tesla back in 1979, some of the effects produced include levitation of heavy objects, metal samples turned transparent, metals turned into jelly, and the spontaneous fracturing of metals.
The Hutchinson effect has been well documented both on film and videotape, has been witnessed many times by numerous credentialed scientists and engineers.
Hutchinson has presented over 750 demonstrations of levitations, all generated by the Hutchinson effect.
He also has video documentation showing metallurgical samples falling apart, as well as the transmutation of wood impregnated into metals.
His findings have been televised in the U.S., Japan, and Canada, and have peaked interest from electrical engineering and aircraft companies, the Canadian Department of Defense, and the military, as you might well imagine.
Coming up in a moment, John Hutchinson.
I immediately, immediately recommend that you go to my website and in the following order, watch what I'm going to instruct you to watch.
All right.
Go to artbell.com and go to program and then tonight's guest info.
And under the name John Hutchinson, you will want to click on video of photos of experiments.
And there is video clip number one and video clip number two.
But if you will go to the bottom of the page, you can see the first page, past all the still photographs.
You will see video of John's laboratory.
Now, John has a laboratory that rivals anything it looks like to me at NASA.
It is extremely impressive.
And until tonight, I was not aware of the Hutchinson effect nor of John Hutchinson.
But the videos that we have, the proof that we are offering you, is mind-boggling.
Just curious, before we move on, are you aware that the alleged Philadelphia experiment, which used large electromagnetic fields and rotating RF fields, actually has a lot of parallels to what you're talking to me about right now?
That's what I discovered in 1982 when Dr. Guy Obolinsky suggested I fine-tune the frequencies and I'd start to get the same kind of effects as the Philadelphia experiment.
Oddly enough, some of these things actually did happen.
We had a whole building disappear in 1987 when I was with us.
And basically, he came down and found no building.
It was just an empty lot.
So we questioned him about the surrounding area.
What did you see when you came here, the address, and everything went over and over and over again.
And basically, he got very upset and angry.
He's saying, you guys are trying to play a practical joke on me.
I don't get it.
And he just backed off and never came around again.
Now, I didn't see this happen, but my friends, of course, told me the story.
And other times, of course, on the analysis of the 8mm film, the old-style film by the Canadian government, they found that some of these metal samples would turn semi-transparent.
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And you can actually see through them and see the objects underneath them.
Yeah, but my God, whatever you would throw at these things, I can understand little pieces of tin or foil or something jumping around with great electrostatic prodding, but not things taking off into the air like this, John.
Now, the idea, and there's something, I have a lot of scientific papers written by other scientists, but there appears that these are like keyways that open up some other dimension to allow this to happen.
Well, I had a lot of equipment running at that time.
And I'd set the units on once I got them tuned up with a lot of heat and that with all these things and they sort of drift and you have to keep adjusting them until you start getting effects.
Now, if you're to buy these things off the shelf, you'd be running into many, many millions.
Right.
However, in Canada, there is many scrapyards, surplus yards, where it seemed the stuff came to me.
I go to one place called Convoy Electrical Machinery, and there I found almost an exact duplicate of the Colorado Springs Tesla transformer, Westinghouse 56 KVA.
Right.
And basically, they didn't want it, and they said they'd deliver it.
They wanted to get rid of it.
And over and over again, I set up a network where people phone me and say, well, we got a Siemens transformer at DC voltage, 200,000 volts.
Now, the results have been duplicated a tiny bit by friend and well-respected scientist Ken Shoulders and well-respected scientist Richard Hull on the invisibility factor.
Again, boy, I'll tell you, we're really brushing up against the Philadelphia experiment in more ways than one.
So the tale told of the Philadelphia experiment, at least technically, I don't know whether you've ever heard it or not, but what they used really sounded an awful lot like what you're doing.
I was highly fascinated by the Philadelphia experiment.
I read some of the books that were published in the early days.
And some U.S. scientist in New York, Dr. Guy Obelinski, suggested to me to fine-tune the frequencies I was using, and I got similar results, which I did do.
John, you only sort of know what you're doing, huh?
In other words, you know you've learned how to fine-tune frequencies and produce effects, but you're not totally sure, are you, what this is all about?
And I wasn't I was just doing this because it was a fascinating thing to do, and the neighbors basically called basically called the Vancouver Sun newspaper and the Province newspaper and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
And they all came around into the backyard, and I was caught, basically.
But in those days, it was kind of a fun thing, and even the military people were humored?
Oh, they're highly humored, and they wondered because there are all these UFO blips on radar.
you know it just it it's not logical for things to what would you say they are defying gravity at In other words, how would you phrase what's happening to these metal objects and solid objects?
Almost the end of 79, that was in regards to I was picked out as somebody to be harassed by the government at that time under gun control registration.
I had a large collection of old weapons and stuff.
But, you know, it's when I was first into the scientific community, I thought to myself, well, you know, I don't have any education.
You know, I'm still using my fingers to count and all this kind of stuff, but why did they think it's so important?
So they kept convincing me and suggesting things and bringing scientific visitors to the Lynn Valley location until this happened for a couple of years until and rolling Super 8 film, the old film.
It was a document in regards to that Alex Pizarro, George Hathaway, Norman Hathaway and associates could help me in bringing this out into the scientific community.
Okay.
I think it was a four-page document witnessed by an attorney.
And after that, I moved from that location in Lynn Valley to yet another location.
He sent an email tonight to me saying there's some incorrection or some things wrong in that bio, so I mailed him back saying, oh, yeah, there probably is.
There's so much stuff going on, I lose track because I never was.
And a friend of mine, Lieutenant Colonel John Bearden, Tom Bearden, that is, gave me the names, proper names, which allowed me to track down.
Then other people came into the scene, like Jack Howek, McDonald's Douglas Aerospace, who did a non-classified experiment for two days and released the videos to me and documentation in his report.
I've learned to date from this new publication just in the last couple of months that Lockheed Martin Skunkwork has the Hutchison Effect Now, all written down by Nick Cook, who's chief aviation editor for Jane's Defense Weekly.
He basically said, I'm trying to go by memory here.
It's a nice piece they did on me.
Good producers in that.
Basically, Colonel John B. Alexander said himself, you know, this is very hard to explain why a steel bar is very hard at one end and the other end is like lead, is one of the things he mentioned on TLC.
The others is that they had the video analyzed at Los Alamos National Laboratory to see if it was a fake or not.
This is prior to the video stuff that you're seeing now.
So then somehow it was decided that they would start to get the project going.
And Alex Pizarro, George Hathaway made their presentation to, I would say, the Pentagon because it involved a close relationship to Ronald Reagan Star Wars.
And one general wanted to inform the president right away.
But then the other general said, well, what if this turns out to be a fake?
It would be a very bad embarrassment for the U.S. government.
Now, I'm told this verbally, of course, by Alex Pizarro and George Hathaway.
So it was decided then to do a look and see.
So John arranged the team, I believe.
I don't know all the details yet.
And we were working four months.
And John would make his appearances once in a while, and then the whole team came.
But unfortunately, it was a bad element in that team, Bob Freeman or Freiberg.
We all refer to him as Bad Bob, who basically wanted this thing shut down.
And John didn't feel that was proper, that the report...
Well, no, that couldn't be because you'd have a complete whiteout of the camera taking the pictures.
I see no lightning bolts.
For example, one scene in the video, folks, for those of you who can't see it, shows one of those plastic bottles all collapsed in, crushed in, and then slowly coming out.
That was the idea, a brilliant idea, of the very brilliant scientist, Jack Houck, McDonnell Douglas, who felt that if we could somehow focus this field, it would be self-lifting.
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So you could actually lift the whole lab itself up.
Well, I don't know about that, but I can see the military, for example, would want to focus this effect because if you could do that, oh my.
All right, hold on, John.
John Hutchinson is my guest.
I suggest you use this break, and I'm very serious about this, to go to my website if you have access to a computer.
Go to program, second item down, tonight's guest info, John Hutchinson's name, and click on videos and photos of experiments.
It's a knockout, I'm telling you.
From Canada comes John Hutchinson, a discoverer of the Hutchinson effect, which is on display on my website right now.
If you'd like to go to artbell.com, go to a program, tonight's guest info, you really do need to see these videos.
Objects not levitating might be the wrong word.
They just literally take up and go.
I mean, they rocket off the table.
A multitude of objects made of all kinds of things, not just metal, but glass, liquids, plastics, metal that ends up misshapen on one end and softer on one end than the other, and all kinds of strange things.
I just had a quick conversation during the news with Colonel Alexander.
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really uh... really amazing stuff and you've got to see it for yourself all right playing a little catch-up there
You know, looking again at these videos, one criticism somebody might make is: well, these are videos being played in reverse, and these are objects being dropped, not going up as in levitating, or actually not levitating so much as just rocketing up.
Now, I don't, having watched critically with that in mind, I don't think that's possible because some of these objects are doing motions that are not consistent at all with being dropped.
In fact, some of them take off at angles, some of them move sideways for a moment and then take off.
No, I don't think that could be.
In fact, there's one hovering near the broom, it kind of moves sideways and then takes off up.
Now, that looks like to me, and I'm going to just sit here and play it again and again, but it looks to me like water is being pulled up prior to the dish itself being pulled up.
That's incredible, John.
Incredible.
A broom just stands up straight and then takes off.
Do you have any idea where every one of these aspects that you used-the Tesla coils, the electrostatic voltage, the 455 kilohertz RF, all of these critical to the equation?
I'd turn off all the lights in the lab, and I'd see all these magical sparks and little balls of light flying around.
And then, which intrigued me, and I like creating things all the time and building these Tesla coils to the old standards of Tesla himself and would go and search scrapyards for the old wires, gauges, and wire coverings of the time period.
And I'd even go right down and building the ornate little fences around these things.
So basically, I enjoyed doing that.
And then, of course, these effects started to happen.
And one time we had a sheet of aluminium foil actually floating across the basement of this house that I was in.
And Mark Murphy, the landlord's son there, and I were having fun.
And sometimes we'd throw a round ball of foil into the field and toss it back to us was another thing we're doing.
But when this sheet was floating all six feet off the ground, my landlady, Mrs. Murphy, came down and said, what are you guys doing?
So, you know, you're maybe the third or fourth person who's been playing with this exact stuff that I've interviewed over the years.
Another man I interviewed, who I nicknamed my nickname, Madman Markham, created a time machine, or what he thought was a time machine, using very similar technology.
And I saw this at the Denver conference in 1994 when it was with Brian O'Leary and the whole crew there helped you off when we were giving our lecture.
And another time when Alex DeSaro's wife brought us dinner on a long run, we call them long run or long burns, preparing for the next group of visitors.
We put our dinners in the field and we waited a while and we started getting hungry, of course, and we went and got the dinners out.
We did our show and it aired on the national news there, and we got a great reception from it.
Had all kinds of visitors coming in.
And the same journalist actually appeared on, this is back in 1985, the same journalist appeared on a recent Fox television show talking about those great old days.
What I think I'm doing, I think I'm basically manipulating with great familiarity RF fields, Tesla fields, static, electrostatic fields, magnetics, focusing them in a geometric fashion, much like certain electronics.
If you get VLF electronics, the physics of it is quite different than HF or to super HF structures of these, let's say, transceivers for a better analogy here.
So I feel like what I'm doing, and there's been papers written on this by Rennie Louis Fallet of France and Andrea Sakharov.
I think he's passed on what could be happening.
And it was accepted by the U.S. government in this document, which I still have, of course, to keep everything.
There's some kind of interdimensional effect happening that influences gravity and time.
Now, this paper was given to the U.S. government guys in 83 and was accepted.
And it shows that, of course, your Tesla coil or a static generator or an RF generation system can't cause these kind of effects.
But in combination, somehow, they cause some type of second type of distortion.
I had a defense contract lawyer, a friend, who was just in Vancouver for a short time, who kept talking to me, and I was trying to show him that the results were going on, but he said, I said, well, I'll just shut it off now, okay?
And he said, this is the most exciting thing I've ever seen.
Others, you know, the scientific teams will be very careful, look for any kind of trickery, and seal the area off, and then run all the tests and videotape on every angle and use videos and super 8mm film, such as the Canadian government guys did.
Dr. L.A. Kuhn, head of the Scientific Technical Intelligence Agency.
The energy from that has been calculated by scientists, analyzed by Max Planck Institute, Fraunhofer, and many of the German labs to come from within the material outward, causing that kind of fracturing.
That might indicate that whatever the field is doing, it's disturbing the molecular structure of the material itself, and the change comes from within in this case.
Second photograph down, still photograph, is a metal slab with holes in it, one hole on each side, a big metal slab, and by God, impaled inside of this metal slab, and I mean impaled, is a knife.
You can just sort of, well, you can see the knife coming out of the edge, and you can sort of see it impaled in the metal.
Well, I had an offer from a team in Germany and a team in Austria that financed everything.
And I really wanted by this time to get out of the group that is involved with who were connected to Boeing.
And I felt there was going to be a major takeover, and they were suggesting that I get back into the military to study this effect as a psychotronic thing.
So I dug my heels in there and I felt I don't want to go through this route again because you can't talk about it.
He can't be sort of a showman, which I am in some ways.
And the German team were very supportive, sent large amounts of money over.
We managed to get some of it into shipping containers within two hours of raiding the lab, which was locked up on me.
And the attorneys then thought that they could actually arrange by contact to government people to have it released and put in shipping containers, which it eventually did get into shipping containers.
And what happened was the government seized it, the two containers.
Oh, their excuse was it contained polychlorinated bipenos or PCBs.
And normally Tesla coils and those kind of machines don't.
The test gear, yes.
This is an interesting story because they tried to keep it a secret, but again, the press found out about it and made the front page of the Vancouver Sun newspapers.
It seems that it's kind of a statement that newspaper people use.
Yes.
meaning that, well, here is this guy doing levitation experiments, and I guess when they took the lab, the guy can't levitate anything, so he goes to ground, I guess.
Yeah, they charged the house that I was staying in because they felt that I was being held captive by people from the East Bloc.
I know there was East Bloc interference, a lot of it.
And I wrote to Dr. Pappas in Greeceland, in Greece, that is, it's Greeceland is the German word.
And he said, no, there's a game going on.
It's a dangerous game.
Be careful.
He gave me the agents involved, the names and all that.
the Germans were protecting me however the East Germans were protecting you?
No, no.
The fellow in Greece, Dr. P.T. Pappas, was protecting me with information, which I passed on to the German people who are protecting me against any kind of interference from the East Bloc, people that wanted this technology.
However, when I had to come back here, I did meet the representative, Richard Glue, of the Environment Protection Agency, and he showed me all these documents, which he actually gave them to me, showing all the procedures and things that went on when I was away about this laboratory.
And basically, he said, well, this is something I can tell my grandchildren, kind of thing, about.
And I said, okay, but you said you have some of it in storage for me, which he did have, and that was all the test equipment with the PCBs.
Because I tried, through my dad's ideas of trying to contact the different government officials, I got one person who said, well, it cost ten sorry, $20,000 to move it.
I took their $300 a week, and I was curious what these people were going to do.
Because by this time, I was away from George Hathaway and the protection of the U.S. government guys, like Colonel Alexander, who I respect really highly in his opinions, and correcting me for certain mistakes I might make in my talks.
But these guys started bad-mouthing Alex Pizarro, who actually founded me and some of the other scientists at that time.
And then, of course, the next step was the lab was to be transferred to Germany, actually to Austria, into a massive laboratory by very high-ranking scientists that are real scientists, not suitable.
Listen, what I would like to do is, in the next hour coming up, by now, I think enough people have seen your videos so that we can take some good, intelligent questions for you from the audience.
I'm going to ask that those of you who have seen the still photographs and those of you who have seen the videos on my website call up.
And it's really one of those things that you've got to see.
I mean, you have just got to see it.
That's all there is to it.
So if you've seen it, and if you have a question for John Hutchinson of the John Hutchinson or the Hutchinson effect, pick up your telephone and let's hear from you.
Once again, John Hutchinson.
And John, you never did levitation, but you never did personal levitation.
I'm a former Persian Gulf veteran, and we had to go through obstacles, and I was in a tank, an M1 Abrams.
Do you think that the Hutchinson field could be used as a weapon which would discombobulate the tanks, you know, rip the metal apart and levitate the tanks, causing all kinds of confusion?
Yes, I've been following Mr. Hutchinson's experiments for about 10 years now, and I've been trying for five years to get him on your show.
I thought he was sort of ended up like Tesla hit by a car in a street corner.
But yeah, you're going the right way there with not going after the military aspect and, you know, supporting life.
I mean, I was thinking that this is basically a propulsion system for a craft that could virtually leave this planet.
I'm thinking that our atmosphere is thinning so much year by year that eventually we may need what you have designed to leave this planet and go elsewhere and probably end up saving life on this planet.
And it also could be used for a control of all the radioactive waste.
There's some experiments there that I did some years ago that made radioactive material inert.
And also could help sweep the atmosphere and make a resurrection of an environment.
That's what I like to see happen also with this kind of technology.
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Yeah, that's true.
Have you been hypnotically regressed?
Because there's a lot of people with limited who haven't been to Harvard universities and stuff who have came up with incredible inventions such as yourself.
And I believe myself that I've worked with Lockheed and my education wasn't so great, but I've came up with incredible ideas that are just beyond my abilities.
I don't know how it happens.
It happens to other people.
But what happens is somehow it got in your mind.
I think if you could be hypnotically regressed to get the full aspect of what you know out of your mind, because I believe what's in your subconscious is drifting over your conscious.
That's how you're doing this, pretty much.
Do you believe hypnotic regression, maybe somehow this got in your mind somehow?
I have thought of many areas why I'm like this, why I have this drive to do these things and why anything I need seems to come to me for me to perform this.
Well, my friend who, Nick Cook of Change Defense Weekly Chief Aviation Editor, went into the United States to check out why so much money is using to be used for the Black Budget project.
I think the show was called A Billion Dollar Question.
So he did many interviews until he hit extremely lucky at Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, interviewed Boyd Bushman, who had copies of my tape and showed them.
And this, I didn't know, was on television.
I was getting phone calls the next day.
And people saying, gee, that's incredible stuff what's going on there.
You should contact these people and all this and that.
And which I didn't do.
I did email.
I tried to email the Skunk Works people for Boyd Bushman, but I didn't get through.
Didn't get a response.
Then later on, just about a month or so ago, Nick's book came out explaining everything.
And I'm reading this book.
I'm featured in the book.
I'm reading stuff that I never even knew it transpired with all the CIA guys and all the defense contractors and Boyd Bushman.
And I just learned a week ago that there's a court fight between Bushman and Lockheed Martin over something.
Firstly, I greatly value your show, Art, and I had this question for John.
I was curious about the apparatus that you use in the exact configuration or positioning of either Tesla coils or Vandegraff generators with respect to each other to produce levitational effects.
I plunked my color in Buck and Block, so it can't be quite the official documents.
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Well, you should be.
But the couple of questions that I had were the videos and the pictures are extraordinary, and I was just wondering, has anyone, like I said, I missed the first part of the show, has any professional videographers gotten pictures of, I guess, better video?
And the pictures are great.
But also, do you have any plans on reproducing?
Has anybody attempted to give you funding or something like that to reproduce this equipment?
A friend of mine, I really respected a scientist, wrote to Prince Sandam Liechtenstein, who's known me for 12 years, for funding to get the Hutchinson effect moved from Canada down to Badiga Bay, California, and set it up in operation so that the scientists, such as John Alexander or Ken Shoulders or Dr. Elizabeth Ann Roger, can come in and see what I'm doing.
So they can take notes and extrapolate and calculate certain things that I'm doing and get it into a logical scientific format.
I would have to go by the words of Dr. Robert Forward in regards to at this point, it'd pretty well be into many millions to replicate that stuff I once had.
Now, I put a lot in here.
I do research in here, but it's limited because it's an apartment.
And when I did the 99 experiment for Fox TV, I was lucky it was a Canadian holiday, but the field affected the building across the street.
We used to have funny things happen in the 80s and, of course, 99, is that when the field goes through into another structure, it moves objects around like dishes.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with John Hutchinson.
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Hello.
All right, this is Stephen Glendor.
Yes, hello.
You know, I happen to see that video, and I studied it quite closely when it ran on the Learning Channel, and I got the impression that it was the old Hollywood illusion where you construct your set upside down, and you use magnets and gravity to manipulate an object before you remove the magnet, and it falls to the floor.
Okay, I, too, watch the video again and again, Caller.
And the only problem I had with that, it could be a backwards video, except that several of the objects move in a lateral direction before they take off.
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No, not backwards.
Literally, where you build the set upside down.
Like, if I remember there was a trash can in the shot and all that, that stuff is nailed up basically on the ceiling, and then you film it so that it looks like it's right side up when, in fact, it's upside down.
You have a magnet on the roof holding the objects.
You manipulate the objects with the magnet.
They kind of dance around a little bit.
You remove the magnet, and it plummets to the floor, but it looks like it's falling up when, in fact, it's falling down.
What came to my mind was an old movie by Fred Astaire, where he was tap dancing on the walls of a building.
Is that what you mean?
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Yeah, well, something similar to that.
But now, here's the thing.
Look, I wasn't there, so I don't know.
But here's another thing that I considered.
Is it possible that your laboratory was located on one of the planet's ley lines or near one of the planet's ley lines so that that helped the effect that you were trying to create?
A lot of people are curious about these magnetic ley lines and think things like this are more likely at those points, but maybe this is an effect that just can be done.
And also, on the internet, if you look under Yahoo Search or Google search, under Hutchison Effect, there's many websites there that show my work and tell the latest things that are going on.
Do you mean put the equipment on a spinning table?
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Yeah, an inside-out motor will levitate because we've done it here in Pittsburgh with a PhD that was part of the Philadelphia experiment.
He should be able to do the same thing in that the Tesla effect of the coils in the Philadelphia experiment, they use four.
He's only using three.
But the concept there of the coils and the frequency of DC, you should be able, if you can get a table to go up to 2,000 revolutions by its power, it'll probably take over and levitate for you.
It's called an inside-out motor.
And then, of course, other clothing to control it.
Well, what I want to do is introduce it in the entertainment industry.
Now, also, a lot of filmmakers are after me to sign a contract for doing my whole life story, and I'm considering that also.
By saying I've had it, in a way, I feel a bit burned out, and I like my surplus electronics, and I had a lot of fun working on Navy ships, warships that were just a half a mile from here.
And I would go down there and get electronics and study of the ships.
I was basically third in command of this for artificial reefs, and I was allowed to take anything off the ships.
So it's, I guess you need to get re-inspired.
I think it would be fun.
My main thing I always wanted to do was give a massive demonstration to one of the biggest U.S. networks to show this thing off to maybe ABC or NBC.
It got in a bit of a tuffle with Triage Entertainment.
I mentioned that, that I would do that, and they didn't like that, and they started to give me some negative feedback on certain things when they aired the show.
John, I had emailed you a couple times in the last two months.
We've had, I guess, a couple correspondents, and I'm very glad to make both of your acquaintances on the air today.
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Cool.
And I had a couple questions for you.
And a couple just broad statements, I guess, that I was hoping you could make a couple comments on.
I'm just going to catch my breath here.
I guess I wanted to allude especially to the last caller who was talking about spinning things, which is directly kind of what I've been working on somewhat like I guess you had been about 20 years back in isolation somewhat, as that's easy to do in Canada when it's freezing for half the year.
What was interesting is, I guess, the aspect of the Philadelphia experiment and some of the spinning antennas that they had, such as the Delta antenna, which is actually...
Yeah, so what we have to do for the average layman that's looking, I think, for a little bit of background into this area is to look into the actual things that Einstein talked about, which is the space matrix.
And we have to kind of lean towards a non-conventional way of looking at the system.
And if we recall what John had just said a moment ago about the geometric arrangement of the Tesla coils, which is quite crucial to harmonizing with the very fabric of nature.
And I guess that would kind of lead you into a lot of Buckminster Fuller's work with spatial, or what he called omni-int inter-accommodational, which is a type of way of tapping into and expressing the knowledge of which Hoagland has briefly mentioned upon the tetrahedron, which is only one of the platonic or dimensional levels.
And I guess I'm trying to allude to a unified field theory or a theory of everything that has been mainly quite elusive because of our Cartesian slash, cubicle ways of thinking about nature and space, and how this might interrelate into some of the Russian pyramids that they're doing in.
I just heard of the French experiments where they would spin magnetic fields at the speed of light within an electrostatic field, which is intriguing to me.
Well, I mean, what you're doing or did do is way out there.
I wish you luck.
You know, if anybody in the media wants to contact you, since that's the way you seem to want to go right now, it would be H, the letter H, and then effect, HFFT at infinite.net.