Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath of the Ghost Investigators Society (GIS)—a non-profit using unrecorded Iowa TPM 920 tapes in cemeteries, jails, and haunted hotels—share chilling EVPs like a child’s "bye-bye" or Alma Berg’s voice in mausoleums, suggesting spirits linger due to unresolved grief. They debate ethical boundaries (e.g., Flight 93 crash site) and analog vs. digital tech, citing analog’s superior EMF sensitivity despite skepticism from Art Bell and callers. While lunar phases show no impact, their research remains credible yet underfunded, leaving unanswered questions about consciousness after death and the nature of ghostly communication. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good afternoon, good morning, whatever applies and whatever which of the 24 time zones you're in around the world.
I'm Art Bell, and this program heard in all of them is Coast to Coast AM great to be here.
It is a Friday night, Saturday morning, and I'm going to break a little bit of tradition tonight.
And because we did an open live show earlier in the week, we are going to have guests.
It's the GIF spokes tonight, and they heard some of the freakiest guests you'll ever hear.
It's what they do that's kind of freaky.
I just never really become comfortable with it.
They take it's electronic voice phenomena, that's what it's called.
They take tape recorders with brand new tapes, never recorded upon tapes before, and they frequently go visit graveyards and other, you know, jails and hospitals and places like that.
And they do recording and they get results.
And what they get would appear to come from the other side.
So that's what we'll do in the next hour.
This hour open lines.
A few items for you.
Of course, it's all Utah at the moment, and the Olympics are everywhere.
In a powerful display tonight that launched the nation's first Olympic Winter Games in 22 years, that's been a while, an honor guard of U.S. athletes, accompanied by New York police firefighters, entered Rice Eccles Olympics Stadium, clutching the tattered flag recovered from the ashes of the World Trade Center.
A hush fell over the crowd.
At sight of the fragile banner, a giant hole ripped through the red and white stripes.
President watched along with the International Olympic Committee.
And so it begins.
But it begins in a different sort of way with snipers peering over the top of the rooftop, helicopters hovering overhead, a $310 million effort to protect the Olympics, $310 million.
59 agencies.
16,000 security workers.
It's incredible, and I hope it's a great Olympics.
And then there's a whole lot of Enron news through a spokeswoman for former Enron Chairman Kenneth Lay, who said today he hadn't decided what he's going to do about his scheduled Senate testimony on Tuesday.
They're optimistic.
Lay would answer questions, but there have been an awful lot of I don't recalls from other witnesses, so we'll see.
We've got the Taliban foreign minister who has given himself up.
We are transporting more Taliban to Cuba as we get them.
They're covered by the Geneva Convention, but not as war prisoners of war, POW, so I'm not exactly sure what their status is.
I'm not even sure our government is sure what their status is going to be and how they're going to be tried, if they will be tried at all.
You may recall that certain promises are made to those who have the religious affiliation that Osama bin Laden is said to have.
And so I thought I would just lay this on you.
After getting, and we still don't have Osama, you know, this is really a curious thing.
If they don't ever find him, then the legend of bin Laden will be around forever.
You know, he will be, no doubt, thought of as cloned like Hitler and others that have just sort of disappeared off the face of the earth.
Anyway, after getting nailed by a daisy cutter, we can hope that happened, Osama bin Laden made his way to the Pearly Gates.
He was greeted by George Washington, who yelled, how dare you attack the nation I helped to conceive, slapping Osama in the face.
Patrick Henry next said, you wanted to end America's liberty, so they gave you death and punched Osama right in the kisser.
James Madison up next said, this is why I allowed the federal government to provide for the common defense, kicked Osama right in the groin.
Osama was the subject of similar beatings from John Randolph, Roanoke, James Monroe, and 67 other people who had the same love for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
As Osama writhed in agony on the ground, Thomas Jefferson picked him up and hurled him back to the gates to be judged.
While Osama waited his turn, he screamed, This is not what I was promised.
An angel replied, I don't know what you expected.
you were told there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you.
I tell you, there are, let's see, one, two, three, four national stories now about Enron.
It is beginning to take over the news while the war goes to the back burner.
Interesting email, and I followed up on it.
This says, hi, Art.
My name's Rich, and I'm from Horsham, Pennsylvania, close to Linda in Jameson.
Two schools have been closed in Montgomery County, both in Quakertown, due to a strange, itchy, bumpy rash hundreds of students have come down with.
Hundreds.
Today, the rashes have been reported in yet two more schools 30 miles from the original outbreaks.
Health officials are completely baffled about the rash and its cause.
Cleaning agents first suspected as a possible cause have now been ruled out.
The rash begins as a red area that itches, and when it fades, it leaves behind bizarre bumps on the skin.
This was all reported first last week when the first school was shut down.
Quarantined students rushed to a local hospital to be washed down.
Video footage of health officials in their biohazard suits and masks has the look of an apocalyptic plague.
All known contagious viruses have been ruled out.
We do indeed live in strange times, and so here is the newspaper article on it.
Health officials are still stumped about what's causing students at two Bucks County schools to break out in rashes now.
Youngsters at a school in Montgomery County are complaining about a pink burning rash.
The mystery rash has now shown up at the Springfield Intermediate School in Royford, Montgomery County.
Ten students there developed a pink burning rash on Thursday.
Investigators were at the two schools in the Quakerstown Community School District that have been closed down indefinitely because of nearly now 100 cases, newspaper says, of the mysterious rash.
So we have no idea what's really going on as we develop new plagues.
And we've got a guest, I think, coming up on that perhaps in the next week.
By the way, we also have a forensic pathologist coming up on Monday that is absolutely incredible.
She is a doctor.
And some of the stories that she's going to tell you are going to curl your hair.
Not so much about the work she does, which is a kind of morbid for most of us, of course, but about the things that other forensic pathologists will not talk about.
And I refer to, and by the way, she is still employed, so she's very brave, I think, to come forward.
And so at this point, I won't even tell you who she is.
She's still employed doing her job.
And she has some definite thoughts and stories on life after death.
Now, here's an interesting article.
It's entitled, Teleporting Larger Objects Becomes Real Possibility.
And I have sent this over to Keith if he would like to put the link up.
It's from New Scientist.
The dream of teleporting atoms and molecules and maybe even larger objects has become a real possibility for the first time.
Now, the advance is thanks to physicists who have now suggested a method that, in theory, could be used to entangle absolutely any kind of particle.
Quantum entanglement is the bizarre property that allows two particles to behave as one no matter how far apart they might be.
If you measure the state of one particle, you instantly determine the state of the other.
This could one day allow us to teleport objects by transferring their properties instantly from one place to another.
Until now, physicists have only been able to entangle photons, electrons, and atoms using different methods in each case.
For instance, atoms are entangled by forcing them to interact inside an optical trap while photons are made to interact with a crystal.
Aha, a crystal.
These schemes are very specific, according to the University of Oxford spokesperson.
But they have now demonstrated a single mechanism that could be used to entangle any particles, even atoms or larger molecules.
Now, what this might mean is that things, you know, products, the end result of factories could be instead of shipped or trucked or flown, they could be teleported from one place to another.
What it might also mean is that now within our grasp, and I refer now to just years ahead, is the Star Trek Transporter.
Now, imagine the impact such thing would have on our airline industry, not to mention other transportation services, if you could just walk into a little cubicle and you're 2,000 or 10,000 miles away, instantly what a world that will be.
You'll notice I didn't say what might be, will be.
I believe we are definitely headed there.
We may not see it, but our children may, and their children certainly might.
Amazing work going on.
Now, here is an email that I tend to agree with.
It says, Art, I agree with you on your current view of the effect of mind on reality.
It occurs to me that mind, and in a larger sense, consciousness, at least partly controls the physical world as we know it.
Now, think about that.
What we all think about becomes reality.
Now, I know you've Always had an interest in the concept of time as well.
You bet I have.
It seems likely to me that time does not really exist on its own, but an aspect only of consciousness.
Conceding that Einstein had almost everything right, he might have been more accurate describing the dimension of space-time as space consciousness.
Interesting, huh?
Man has actually lived by these rules throughout history.
It has generally been seen in a religious context and in the case of Christianity, the power of the mind has been called free will, albeit no one has perceived just how far reaching free will might be.
The act of implementing the power of mind has been prayer.
Since time does not exist in a physical sense, prophets do not see through time, but rather the good ones are sensitive to the collective consciousness and are able to perceive what the state of the collective consciousness at a given instant portends for the future.
What must give you pause on occasion art is what effect your show might have on the state of the universe when many of your guests are doomsayers and probably affect the thinking of many of your listeners in a scary way.
Could believing calamity is imminent by enough people create calamity?
Sleep well.
Mike, don't think for one second that I haven't given that a very, very, very serious thought as these experiments have continued.
Even some of the ones with unintended consequences, like in the last couple of days, they all worry me.
And the last couple of days, particularly so, we're obviously on to something really big.
I've simply taken a cautionary note and will continue to take a cautionary note because I am now realizing we are on something big, but you know, that it absolutely is real.
And, you know, we've got to be careful, I think, with what we're doing.
We've got to be very, very, very careful with what we're doing.
And so I certainly intend to be.
I've thought a lot about it.
It has kept me awake sometimes when it should not have.
You know, just thinking about the whole thing and whether I'm really doing the right thing or not.
All right, we'll take a brief break here.
I've got more for you, and then, of course, I will open the lines and we'll see what's going on.
Then, in less than an hour, it's off to the cemeteries, prisons, and hospitals, and voices, real voices from the other side.
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"The End"And now we take you back to the night of February 8, 2002 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Scientists are split over the theory that natural selection has come to a standstill in the West.
That would be us folks.
For those who dream of a better life, science has some bad news.
This is the best it's going to get.
Our species, says the article, has reached its biological pinnacle and is no longer capable of changing.
That is the stark, controversial view of a group of biologists who believe that Western lifestyle now protects humanity from the forces that used to shape Homo sapiens.
If you want to know what utopia is like, just look around because this is it, according to Professor Steve Jones of the University of London, who is to present, and you know, I'd like to interview him.
Professor Steve Jones of the University College London, who's to present his argument at a Royal Society Edinburgh debate.
Is evolution over?
It'll be next week.
Things have simply stopped getting better or worse for our species.
The view is controversial, however.
Other scientists, of course, argue mankind is still being influenced by the evolutionary forces that created the myriad species which have inhabited Earth over the past three billion years.
But basically, this scientist's argument is probably a pretty fair one.
We have, with our modern society, the conveniences we have, the medical miracles that we have produced, we have eliminated the process of natural selection.
And I'm not saying that the compassion we show when we bring the weak up by their bootstraps and help them and keep them alive is wrong, but the argument is somewhat compelling, isn't it?
Think about it a little bit.
Think about it a little bit.
Most people do believe the process of natural selection, the strong survive, the weak do not, provided the engine that was, yes, past tense, evolution.
And now we have a society where even the weak survive and even prosper.
And natural selection is gone, particularly in the West.
That's what they're saying here.
And I am certainly going to consider that argument as perhaps a very valid one.
It may be human evolution here in the West has ended.
I wonder what's going to happen in the rest of the world.
Will they continue to progress, or when they get to our stage, will they stop evolving?
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You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 8th, 2002.
Nothing matters.
It's the night.
Nothing matters.
In the night, no control.
Through the wall, something like me.
Wearing mine as I'm walking down the street of my soul.
You take yourself, you take myself control.
You got me living only for the last before the morning of the story told.
You take yourself...
I'd like to help you.
There must be 50 ways to leave your lover.
She said it's really not my habit to intrude.
Furthermore, I hope my meaning won't be lost.
My risk is true.
But I'll repeat myself at the risk of being cruel.
There must be 50 ways to leave your lover.
50 ways to leave your lover.
Just slip out the back, Jack.
Make a new plan, Steph.
You don't need to be caught, right?
Just get yourself free.
Hop on the bus, cause you don't need to discuss much.
Just hop off the key and get yourself free.
Ooh, slip out the back, Jack.
Make a new plan, Steph.
Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired February 8th, 2002.
And by the way, this intriguing article on human evolution and natural selection, which sure makes sense to me, comes from The Guardian.
Now, I don't mean to bitch unnecessarily, but too much of the news that I have to bring to you comes from foreign sources.
And it doesn't mean that it's not accurate.
I mean, The Observer is just fine in London, and a lot of other London and European publications are very well respected, as well respected as our New York Times and L.A. Times and all the rest of it.
It's just that for whatever reason, the news doesn't make it here.
Now, there's something on my website that I want you to see.
For those of you who think that the hand of man doesn't have a lot to do with anything that's going on with regard to our Earth, I haven't made up my mind about that one, by the way.
I want you to look at something that one of my listeners put together.
It was obviously done by NASA, but my listener did a particularly elegant job of putting it together.
Now, it's under What's New, and it's entitled, I think it's called The Earth at Night.
Yeah, The Earth at Night.
And many of you may have already seen this, but I don't think you've ever seen it put together as well as it's put together here.
This is from, obviously, from the Space Shuttle, and it is virtually the entire world at night.
And you can see how much light there is coming from Earth, as seen from several hundred miles in space.
And it's kind of scary because obviously we do have some effect.
I mean, just look at that photograph and tell me we don't have some effect because we do.
We have to.
With this much energy in use, we just simply have to.
I don't know.
You look yourself.
I've been trying to tell you for a long time, looking into space gives you a very different perspective on things.
Looking at Earth from space in this context is definitely going to give you a different view of things.
So make it to my website, that's artbell.com.
Under what's new, just take a glance at the Earth at night, a particularly well-put-together presentation.
Just a quick note about what you were just talking about as far as the view from space.
In fact, I've often thought that we should at least put a space-based telescope on the dark side of the moon.
But not only that, but put a viewing some kind of a way that we can actually link so we can actually get a view for me being through the internet or through a computer, because you do truly get a different perspective of the Earth.
I find it fascinating when I see people who say, well, we've stopped, you know, we've ended this, or they think we've been there and they've done that.
In fact, I feel sorry for them, sir, because to me, every day should be a learning experience.
And the day that we stop evolving as a human race is the day that we might as well just sit down and say, well, we'll just wait for old age and take us away.
Because frankly, as we've evolved and also we've acclimated to our surroundings, as we dig to the sands of time, we've seen ourselves.
Human evolution means a real change occurring to human beings, you know, are actually evolving, not just inventing a better widget and going to the point.
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No, I don't mean in a technical sense, sir.
I mean simply I mean by if we actually start to move to other planets and things like that, maybe perhaps as we adapt, even as we've seen as our own Earth has changed over the time, I'm sure we have changed as human beings as the Earth itself has changed.
I was listening to Ridley Street with Streamland, and then he had Lynn Moldenhow on.
Yes.
And she was talking to Nancy Copland, director of Jonestown, branch of Pennsylvania Ghost Hunter Society.
Right.
And when they're talking about the United Flight 93, when it crashed, it's weird because I was listening to this, and I was recording this off my radio.
And I wrote them an email, and I told them if they could come down to San Diego, and I'd be happy to show them the haunted sites here in San Diego, like the Whaley House and Hotel Dell.
Now, the Titanic, of course, there have been several actually there's ongoing investigations with regard to Titanic and those who would even think about raising the Titanic and others who are saying, look, the Titanic is the appropriate, proper burial ground for many, many, many, many, too many people, and it should not be disturbed.
It should be regarded as a burial ground.
I don't know how you feel about that.
Would the GIS want to get in the vicinity of the Titanic?
Well, that would be quite a chore, but it would certainly be an interesting investigation, wouldn't it?
Well, this starts off in a rather well-known star's house.
You've no doubt heard the name of Jean Harlow.
Of course.
And she was married to a guy by the name of Paul Byrne back in the 1930s.
And it ended rather abruptly one night, the marriage that it did.
Flash forward to 1968, same house, a rather well-known hairstylist and shampoo maker or something like that, is living in the house.
And he has to go out of town for a day.
And so his girlfriend, he asks her to watch the house during the night while he's gone.
Sure.
So, sure enough, she goes up to bed and is awakened during the night by a god-awful racket, wakes up, turns on the light, and sees Paul Byrne ransacking the bedroom, looking for something.
When the lover came back the next day, she told him about it, and they basically forgot about it and didn't really know that it was a terrifying warning from the future.
Well, do you ever wonder about the stuff like, for example, how many people do you think have seen an apparition, a ghost, a devil, whatever you want to call it, and had heart attacks and died?
The answer is you have no idea, and I don't either, because they're dead.
You think about it, how many people do you suppose have died of fright?
And you certainly can die of fright.
I mean, it can absolutely give you a heart attack, and you could die on the spot.
Well, they just can't come back to tell us why they died, why they had that heart attack, can they?
Well, you might be right, and this scientist might be right.
I never really thought about it until I read this article, but I thought, you know, with regard to the West, our area of the world, Europe, America, he's more or less right.
I mean, natural selection here has pretty much ground a halt, you've got to admit.
unidentified
Well, yeah, if we're going to live a hunting and gathering type existence, it has.
We do all kinds of things that protect us and allow us to do things we would not ordinarily do and protect us from things that ordinarily we would not be protected from.
And intelligence, as far as I believe, that intelligence is a genetic characteristic that evolves from not being illuminated through natural selection.
I would much rather believe what you're saying than I would what the scientists are saying.
unidentified
See, I believe that all this technology has allowed genetic traits that haven't been able to surface in the past to sprout up and, you know, produce great people.
Well, boy, but when you get, yeah, but when you get into the genetic argument, then you begin to lose again because if anything, you would think our gene pool is weakening because of the process of natural selection going away.
You start to lose the argument when you go into genetics because I think probably the gene pool is becoming generally weaker.
unidentified
Well, that all depends on what you think is successful traits to have in an organism.
I would like to continue this, but we've got a break.
Very good call.
I appreciate the call.
Hop of the hour.
We're going to cemeteries, prisons, and hospitals, and God knows where for voices from God knows where.
I'm Art Bell.
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You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 8th, 2002.
We're driving on a Saturday night.
Come walk me on a dance the day away.
Come walk me on a dance the day away.
Get in with me.
Just a smile for...
...and I'll see you next time.
young and get it all before our time You're listening to Art Bells Somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 8th 2002 into the light that's where I want to go Not hanging around the cemetery That's one thing scares me about what you're about to hear Actually, there are several things that scare me about what you're about to hear.
Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society, the GIS.
The Ghost Investigators Society is a non-profit organization.
That scares me.
They're not making money.
They're not writing books.
They're just doing this dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
Not only do they conduct investigations, but they instruct, assist, and educate anyone who believes they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena or
those who are just simply curious in an effort to educate public about ghosts the GIS hopes the EVP's electronic voice phenomena presented will help demonstrate that the consciousness does not survive correction consciousness does survive after the body dies and that these voices may help us give a different perspective about life death and ghosts So that's what we're up to tonight,
and I should advise you up front: this is kind of scary stuff.
If you're trucking across the country in an 18-wheeler and it's dark out there and you're by yourself, you may not want to do this.
I don't know.
I say this from having done several shows with them in the past.
Now, let me preface just very briefly what they do so that you understand how weird what you're about to hear is.
They go to these places, cemeteries, hospitals, prisons, and sometimes just regular areas, but in general, they go to areas that are very likely going to be haunted.
And with them, they take very high-quality cassette tape players.
And into those players, they put only brand new tapes, tapes that have never had anything electromagnetically imprinted upon them, have never been recorded straight out of the wrapper.
These new tapes go into the machines.
And unfortunately, they get results.
I say unfortunately.
Well, maybe it's fortunate.
You know, maybe it does mean that consciousness continues.
It's just the manner in which it apparently continues in some cases that always has me bugged.
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Anyway, we're off to the races shortly.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 8, 2002.
I thought it was quite insane to be going into a cemetery in the middle of the night trying to record mysterious voices, and somehow they would magically appear on your tape and interact with you.
One of the things that bothers me, and I think a lot of the audience, the audience will frequently dismiss guests when they hear they're selling a book or they're selling tapes or they're selling, I don't know, whatever.
They will use that if they don't like the subject or it scares them.
They will use that to dismiss it mentally.
It's an easy thing to do.
Ah, they're a huckster, selling this, selling that, you know, whatever.
You guys aren't selling anything, and I think that bothers people.
Well, that's one thing that we have discussed amongst ourselves.
We've had a lot of requests since we've had our pictures up on our website of our shirts that we wear.
We've had so many requests to sell our shirts, and we've really debated about even doing that, even with people requesting, because we do not want to give the impression like there are so many groups out there that it seems like they're out there just for the money.
And I do not want, and I know the rest of the members of GIS do not want us to look like that's what we're doing this for.
I think there's quite a majority of people, I believe, really do want to know this.
Whether they want to believe us personally or not, I'm not sure, but I do believe that quite a majority of people do want to know if there is something on the other side.
And I can't explain why there would be, especially like in this one that we go to that has always yielded up some of our best voices, why there would be so many in this.
So I don't know if the reason that we're getting so many children's voices is because people in their thoughts and their consciousness, that was a happy time period for them.
And that's what they are thinking about.
Or if there are a lot of little children's spirits out there, I think I mentioned before that one possibility is because it's so hard for people to let go when they lose a child.
And we never have children at a place when we're doing it.
If they have children, we'll always ask them to have them over at their grandparents or someplace else because children have a tendency to become afraid because we do this in the dark, you know, most of the time.
And we do not want children to become afraid, so we always ask them to have the children someplace else when we're there.
And for the people that have listened to us on the show in the past, I think the voices tonight, they'll realize they actually come across a little clearer.
We actually came across a new plug-in for the software that we use, and it enables the voice to come out almost exactly as it appears on the tape.
I believe they had seen us on a local newscast that aired in Utah, and they had just emailed, and we put them through the interview process that we do and decided that it was something we wanted to look into.
Well, I'm going to give you advice, and that is I know the temptation is to probably sell t-shirts or certainly to sell tapes and that sort of thing.
Maybe the day will come later when you can do that.
But I would think while you're in the active part of your investigation, as you are now, that a great deal of your credibility rests on the fact that you're not doing that.
You're not selling things.
And it confuses people to the point where they listen to you.
And I guess maybe a lot of them don't like it because it's kind of nerve-wracking to hear this sort of thing.
All right, I'm going to warn you right now that over the period of time that GIS has appeared on the show, literally hundreds of people have taken up the challenge and they've listened to the kind of equipment used and they've gone out and done this on their own to the extent that people write to me and say, oh my God, Art, I didn't think there was anything to this.
I'm really skeptical.
I went out and did it and here's a sound file of something I got.
I'm beginning to get all these sound files.
Hundreds of people have tried this, most of them with success.
So ask yourself whether you really, really want to try this with the information we're about to give you.
All right, you two, what kind of equipment would you recommend somebody go buy if they want to try it?
But part of that that I've never understood and don't understand now is why you need a mic at all.
Yeah, it's strange because you've said some of these are occasionally audible.
Most of them are not audible, at least to the human ear.
And so the presumption would be, sure, ghosts are electromagnetic in nature, and you could imagine a ghost imprinting upon an electromagnetic media-like tape the way a tape head would.
That's imaginable.
But if it's the microphone picking it up, it has a specific frequency range which begins, I don't know, around 300 cycles and may go to, you know, depending on the quality of the tape, I don't know, 15, 20 kilohertz, somewhere up there.
Same thing a human ear would hear roughly, mostly.
Yeah, that really, I mean, it's a real mystery in EVP, period.
And I've almost got two theories on it.
One, like you said, it is imprinted on the tape, and that seems to be an extremely popular theory.
And the other one is they use some sort of vibration, being that they don't have their own vocal cords.
They use some sort of vibration in the air that's already in the atmosphere at the time, or they're using maybe an investigator's voice to imprint their voice on the tape.
Well, first of all, Iowa has always seemed to be good for us in the first place.
The voices, I mean, just listening to the comparison between voices that we have received with the tape recorder we're currently using and the tape recorders we've used in the past, the last voice being a good example, the voices we receive now, I mean, just sound a lot clearer.
No, we really, after an investigation, because it's usually pretty late at night, we'll all disperse to our homes, and we try to listen to it as soon as we can while everything is fresh in our mind.
So you figure if you're on an investigation for two hours, you go home and listen to the tape for two hours and go through the whole thing again.
There's nights that we might go to one place and pick up five really, really loud, clear voices, go back the next night and not pick up a single thing.
Is there anything at all that either one of you have learned to correlate with getting a lot of voices versus not even having a little tug on your line?
In other words, the cycle of the moon or the kind of weather that's going on or the time of the month or I don't know, whatever.
So not only then do you have to traipse down to a mausoleum or a cemetery or whatever, but you probably have to do it at night because it's quiet, if for no other reason.
This was in the mausoleum, and again, you can almost, you can hear the effect of being in a mausoleum late at night, in the cold, in the dark, and it sounds like our death gate.
Roger had said to these ghosts that are there to he had said about our to please excuse our lights because we're flashing cameras, you know, the flash going off and our infrared video cameras and our flashlights.
And he had just mentioned he apologized about our lights and to please not let them bother them, that he hoped that our lights didn't bother them.
And he had just made that statement when he recorded that voice.
And it almost makes me wonder if it's referring, you know how people, when they have the near-death experience and they mention going to the light, it almost makes me wonder if it's referring to the light as their death gate.
Last week on, I think it was on Dreamland with Whitley Streeber, Linda Moulton Howe has reported on a story that's on her website at earthfiles.com with respect to Flight 93.
Now, that, of course, was the flight in which one man reported to his wife that he was going to take the damn airplane down.
He was going to take matters into his own hands and do what he had to do.
He knew what was going on.
You remember he was on a cell phone.
These are heroes, real American heroes.
And it's being reported by reliable sources, and this is backed up by the information Linda has on her site, that this is an incredibly haunted site.
In fact, there's actually a photograph on Linda's site I've just seen of the plume of smoke from the crash of Flight 93.
Well, there's quite a story to go with it.
You can read it at earthfiles.com.
In the meantime, I have received countless fast blasts and emails saying, all right, you need to be aware of this, which I am, and you need to suggest to Barbara and Brendan that this would be a very, very interesting site to get to if they could in Pennsylvania.
Well, maybe there are some people in that part of Pennsylvania that will take up the challenge and send us some EVPs from that area, but I respect what you said.
All right, now on to our next one, short and sweet, it looks like.
In fact, people that are just starting trying this themselves, we always use headphones when we're listening to our tapes because voices can be very, very low sometimes where you can hardly hear them.
And this one is quite low, but it answers and says no.
Well, now there's an interesting question of itself.
How many times, percentage-wise, do these entities appear to wish to talk to you versus those times when they've expressed specifically a wish not to talk to you?
Most of the time, they seem anxious to talk to us, but at other times, it's just like when you come across people that just don't want to be bothered in life.
And I think it goes with that person's personality.
Well, we were, me and Roger and another GIS member, Barry, we were leaving in Barry's car.
We were in the car and we were leaving from an investigation.
And I have never done this before.
I accidentally left my tape recorder running and I had put it in my bag and recorded while this tape recorder was in my camera bag two voices that say, see ya, see ya.
And you'll hear Barry say right after that, he says, no hitchhikers, everybody out.
And then I will say, if anyone's in the car, please get out.
Well, I'm trying to think back if I would consider.
The only bad thing, negative thing that I experienced was an odor that rushed at me one time, but I was unprepared for it, but that's about the worst thing.
Anything physical would have, I mean, I'm just pontificating on the behalf of the ghost here, but it would almost seem like it was just to get your attention.
I mean, there was one time I mentioned this on your show before that I had been slapped, but I mean, it didn't hurt.
I think it was more just to get my attention and make me realize something was there.
Is it your impression, the two of you, that it takes a great deal of effort or energy for whatever is on the other Side to make itself or to imprint upon the tape anything at all?
Is it a great deal of energy and effort or just something that maybe it's as hard for them to do on occasion as it is for you to hear it on occasion?
Well, we always ask permission to take their picture.
We ask them to, because you wouldn't go and take a picture of somebody you don't know without asking permission.
And so we invite them to get in front of our camera and join, if we're taking a group shot, to join with us and stand in, you know, to get their picture taken.
Hopefully in the comfort of your big rig, your car, your home, wherever you are, not in the middle of a cold, freezing mausoleum in the middle of the night.
But that's where these folks have been.
And here comes number 12, which is interesting because it has question marks by it.
This was recorded in the auditorium, and I can see where a student at one time would have done a talk on this location, just because of the history of this Rainbow Gardens.
Either a response to, in his case, in that clip's case, a response to a question that was asked or some kind of interaction with what we're doing as a group, not even pertaining to a ghost investigation.
In fact, a couple of clips down is a really good example of it actually witnessing what we're doing.
We've done enough programs now, the three of us, that a lot of people in my audience have tried this for themselves.
Very, very serious skeptics have gone out and they've come back totally freaked out because they've gotten something.
I mean, I'm sent a lot of samples myself, some of them pretty awful.
And so be wary, folks.
If you are going to try this, listen to what we said earlier about how to do it, the equipment to use, but don't be surprised if you really get something.
And if you do, it's probably going to change the way you think about almost everything.
I cannot see how you could do this, particularly as you all have for years on end, without it changing your view of everything.
Well, there are so many things that we don't know about.
Mankind has a sense that we have discovered and know everything, and as science progresses, we are finding that we have to rewrite everything that we thought we knew.
And I think the technology, as it advances and what's just available to us as a common person, it enables you to do things, go out on investigations like this.
Well, as I've told my audience, Monday I've got a, I think it's Monday, let me look, a forensic pathologist is coming on, a doctor.
And there are not many people, yes, I'm not going to give her name.
She'll be here Monday.
Now, there are not many people who deal with death, who work in mortuaries, physicians, people who work in hostels, all kinds of areas where death is dealt with on a regular basis.
These people usually will not talk about it.
They simply will not talk about it.
Particularly in our society, it's just not something that you talk about very often.
And most of the people who work in these fields know it.
So, you know, this is going to be really something on Monday, but we are getting some pretty important evidence, I believe, in totality on this program that backs up exactly what you seem to be proving with these recordings, that there is indeed life after death or some sort of existence after death.
When we come back, we've not had much of a chance in the past to do this, so we're going to open the phone lines and let you ask these two any question in the world you would like to.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 8th, 2002.
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I thought that we had made it to the top.
I gave you all I have to give.
What did have to stop?
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Without a reason why.
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listening to Art Bells Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 8th, 2002.
During the news break, I was listening to the news and USA Radio News, and they said that there is some thought, apparently, that Osama bin Laden may have been hit by a CIA missile.
Now, check me if I'm wrong here, but I didn't think the CIA had missiles.
Did you?
That's exactly what they said, though.
A CIA missile.
Now, of course, they could have meant a directed, a CIA-directed missile.
That's not what they said, though.
They said a CIA missiles, or a CIA missile, singular.
Sorry.
So, are we now to believe the CIA has a stock O missiles?
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interesting.
And now we take you back to the night of February 8th, 2002 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
And we would love to have the opportunity to go to some locations around the world that have reported haunting activity, some of the most haunted ones that are known.
But since we are funding ourselves, we probably will not ever have a chance to.
But it's a serious research for us, and we put in as much time into this as we do our regular jobs.
A lot of ghost investigators have reported batteries drained, electromagnetic influence of all sort going on that affected their equipment, cameras, and or recorders.
We've had our batteries just completely drained when it's been a brand new battery on our cameras, our video cameras, where we've charged them before we go and they are completely drained within five minutes.
How frequently can you correlate, go back and correlate something recorded on the EMF detector or in the infrared or anything else with what you heard?
First of all, I wanted to say thank you to them for doing their work with such obvious integrity.
And while I was sitting on hold, I actually had a thought that I wanted to quickly share about.
I mean, I think that each person is unique and individual and has their own unique and individual belief system.
And there's every chance that when each individual, unique person dies, they have a unique individual experience based on their belief system and what they've had growing up and all of that kind of stuff.
But that wasn't really my question.
My question is about seeing them a lot in cemeteries, which was mentioned early on in the program.
Why would you see them in cemeteries who wants to hang out by their rotting body and all?
I'm wondering if that has anything to do, not that you would know, but if you ever had any feeling that maybe that is sort of induced by their belief system.
I've heard stories about some ghosts hanging out to sort of comfort the living.
Suppose I were to say to you that I really do believe, without any reservation whatsoever, that the living human mind can do a lot of things that we don't know about.
I mean, there's absolutely no question about that.
The living human mind can do some pretty strange things.
And, you know, That could be, but the only problem with that is when we get these contemporary information responses, such as the plastic eyes that we played before, we had no idea that that was something that was done when you prepare a body.
Well, when we return, we'll ask them, if they can, to tell us what kind of help they need, if it's spiritual help or if it's physical help, if they need something told to somebody.
Very seldom, in fact, very rarely do we get any kind of response to that.
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Okay, well, that's super that you do try to help.
One personal question, Barbara.
Do you have any relatives living in Fort Smith, Arkansas?
I believe that the voices that we record are spirits that are either bound here for some reason, have chosen to stay, they have not progressed on to where they're supposed to be.
Might I ask what made you decide to begin to investigate EVP, Meth?
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I didn't.
She tape recorded it and gave me a copy.
I had no idea what it even was.
I see.
And, you know, she called me the next day, and I had gotten some pictures that night that she was there with me.
And it was just an incredible experience.
And I still have it.
It really was.
And the voice sounded so sincere, and just so desperate and lonely.
And it was this woman's voice.
And you know the story of the Whaley House.
You know, Violet committed suicide, shot herself in the heart.
And I think she really is still there.
Now, here's my question for you.
You know, I know that some of the EDPs you get, they don't really make sense, you know, and not like they're really in our time.
And then other ones do.
Do you think there's more than one type of spirit or ghost, you know, like layers of them, like some that maybe can communicate with us and some that have no clue that we're there.
They're just still there like a tape recorder going over and over and over.
And I would like to know if your guests have any feelings about getting in touch with people perhaps before they make that final transition, if maybe they're still hanging around a bit.
I've still got the tape, but it's, you know, I've played it over and over so much, and I've tried using like a cool edit technique to clean it up, and I don't know how to do it.
It seems pretty complicated, and I wanted to.
I'm glad you gave out these people's email address because I want to get more information.
I want to suggest something to you that a listener called in during one of the breaks about, and I think we've had this on a previous show, but I don't know how much depth we got into.
The technology you're using could be modified in a pretty unique way, and I want you both to think about this.
Anybody who knows anything about reel-to-reel recorders knows that, and there's not a lot of difference between a reel-to-reel and what you're using now, really, but they know that you can make a special tape setup where a tape runs by a record head and there's seven or eight or ten seconds of space in between before it hits the playhead.
And so there would be the possibility that you could actually hear, you could sit and listen to what's being recorded.
You'd be listening to it about seven or ten seconds later, which would allow you some greater measure, a gigantic greater measure of interactivity if you wanted to try it.
In fact, we've had a couple of people offer through email to send it to us, and we need to get a P.O. box because I don't want to give out home addresses.
Well, just a thought, and a pretty good one, because it would extend your ability to immediately get an immediate response.
I mean, if one of these entities were to say something and you were able to detect really what it was and respond in some way, you might then generate an ongoing dialogue of some sort.
It would be kind of scary, but interesting.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
I was wondering when the ghost said to so-and-so who was over by the car, you know, well, not to them, but it was talking about them, if that was the ghost planning to somehow enter their energy interpretation point
in their body or cross through them while thinking a thought.
Obviously they can think things or project things.
And if it were to cross through a mind or in somebody's body at a point where the energy is interpreted, If it was planning to make him think something or interpret something to him.
It could be possible, or it also could be, and we found this on a lot of our EVPs, some almost frustration that they will say something to us and almost like they get frustrated that we can't hear them at the time.
And I personally believe that it was just trying to tell Roger that his drink and bug spray were back in the back of the car.
And I was curious, I apologize that this has been addressed before, but I wanted to know what they thought, if they're aware of this, what they thought about shadow people.
We have seen these things when we have been out on investigations.
I've also videotaped one at a school in an auditorium that's up on our website.
And I know that a lot of interpretation goes into these, a lot of people feel like they're wicked or evil because of the, I think because a lot of it is associated with them being color black.
But I don't believe that I feel like they're just a regular manifestation of ghosts that are able to manifest themselves in many different ways.
And I think that that is just one way that they manifest.
I have a question of a little bit of skepticism here for your guests.
Essentially, they use handheld mini cassette recorders, correct, with an external microphone?
Yes, that's correct.
Why, with all the technology available, and I'm sure Art's aware of this, have you not taken a decent NAGRA unit or a remote battery-operated DAT DAT machine?
Most ghost manifestations, no matter how they are, physical, a light you see, a voice you hear, whatever, involve electromagnetic radiation.
And tape recorders, obviously, with tape heads, are very sensitive electromagnetic devices to imprint or to play back.
Very, very sensitive.
And so obviously, if the mode is electromagnetic, then you could imagine that it would show up on a tape, received on a tape head, but not in digital form, not at all in digital form.
I had read a book a while back called Voices from the Tapes.
And at some point during that book, they were saying something about how they had constructed some kind of receiver for these voices, and they would listen to them at night and that they got better response at night.
And so what I was curious about is since you've mentioned, or since your guests have mentioned, that they can go back to the same location and get voices, the same kinds of voices, do they ever try to go, or have you ever tried to go and go back during different phases of the moon to see perhaps maybe if there is greater efficacy at some different phase or less, you know, something like that?