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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - Monsters

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest Indigenous, good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever the case may be, wherever you are in all 24 time zones, covered by this radio program, Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Art Bell.
		And we have so much to do tonight.
unidentified		It's going to be open minds all the way tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything at all you want to talk about is there again.
		However, because of the final call I had last night really split me.
		And I asked the gentleman to contact me, and he did.
		And I've got Ken on the line, and he'll be with us here in a bit.
		It was the last story told last night.
		And I want to hear the whole story.
		And actually from the beginning, because I understand a lot of you would have missed some of it, and we can, of course, get it now in more detail.
		So what he was describing may not turn out to be, but it sounded to me like, and in fact, what we discussed last night with Mothman and all the rest of it, Mothman really is a monster, isn't he?
		Mothman is a monster.
		And so I thought, I have never opened a monster line.
		Therefore, I would ask any of you who have encountered what you would consider to be a monster, that's a broad category, monster is a big category, if you have ever actually and truly encountered what you would call a monster, then I would like to hear from you tonight as the program progresses.
		Now the news.
		Now it's all Enron.
		Oh man, is it Enron?
		Well, I hit that one on the head.
		So did somebody who predicted at the beginning of the year.
		First time I saw an Enron story, I said, oh man, here it comes.
		Clifford Baxter, 43, a former Enron Corporation executive who reportedly complained about the company's questionable accounting practices and resigned last May, was found shot to death in a car today.
		An apparent underline, apparent suicide.
		Now the House Energy Commerce Committee had asked to visit with Mr. Baxter and, you know, obviously there's going to be speculation that Mr. Baxter didn't want to visit with them much.
		And so he put a gun to his head.
		Must be some story here, huh?
		The White House today ordered a review of $70 million worth of federal contracts with Enron and the Arthur Anderson accounting firm to determine whether the embattled companies are worthy of government business.
		Also today, the U.S. Comptroller General set new limits on the consulting work that accounting firms can do for any federal agency they audit or for firms receiving federal money.
		Meanwhile, two lawmakers urged the Chief of Congress Investigative Arm to take the Bush administration to court for refusing to reveal its contacts with the energy industry.
		This one seems like it's gigantic and it seems like it's going all the way to the top.
		And it seems like it's doing that very, very quickly.
		A gentleman in Big Fork, Montana, I mean, everybody out there is struggling to try and grasp and understand the magnitude of what's happened with Enron here.
		My God, what's happened?
		Well, we don't obviously have those answers yet, but Buck in Big Fork, Montana, tries to help you out here as he writes, understanding Enron's problem.
		In case you were wondering how Enron came to be in so much trouble, here's a brief explanation reputedly given by an Aggie professor to explain the whole thing in terms his students could understand.
		Capitalism.
unidentified		Simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have two cows.
		You sell one and buy a bull.
		Your herd multiplies, the economy grows.
		You sell them and retire on the income.
		Extremely simplified, right?
		And that doesn't explain Enron.
		Now, does this explain Enron?
		This is Enron venture capitalism.
		According to Buck, you have two cows.
		You sell three of them to your publicly listed company using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank.
		Then execute a debt equity swap with an associated general offer, so you get all four cows back with a tax exemption for five.
		The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company, secretly owned by the majority stockholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company.
		The annual report says the company owns eight cows with an option to buy one more.
		Now, do you see why a company with $62 billion in assets is declaring bankruptcy?
		No, I don't, but it was a hell of a story.
		Let's see what else is going on.
		The Mideast continues to implode.
		It looks like President Bush is considering whether he would like to sever ties with Mr. Arafat.
		There's a big bunch of trouble possibly brewing over there, and the Palestinian Authority is saying that breaking ties with Arafat would be sort of like just setting the whole thing off.
		You know, using words kind of like that.
		Meanwhile, the Israeli government sent warplanes to attack Palestinian security installations in the West Bank and Gaza after a Palestinian suicide bomber wounded 24 in a crowded Tel Aviv pedestrian mall.
		Nothing ever changes there, but, you know, if they hexorcise Mr. Arafat from...
		I maintain they never really appeared in the first place.
		There was never peace there, and there may never be peace there.
		A stem cell has been found, folks, in adults that can turn into every single tissue in the body.
		This is an amazing discovery.
		Until now, only stem cells from early embryos were thought to have such properties.
		Should the finding be confirmed, it's going to mean cells from your own body could one day be turned into all sorts of perfectly matched replacement tissues and even organs.
		In other words, they've found a stem cell, they believe, in adults, adults that will multiply, given the right encouragement, whatever you do to them, into all kinds of replacement stuff for you.
		Cloning would become unnecessary.
		We wouldn't need to clone if this is true.
		Princeton University says this work is very exciting.
		It can apparently differentiate into pretty much everything that an embryonic stem cell can differentiate into.
		The cells were found in the bone marrows of adults by a University of Minnesota researcher.
		And now, of course, everybody is saying quickly that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
		And new scientists is reporting on this, but nobody knows for sure whether it's the real deal.
		We can certainly hope that it is the real deal.
		Anyway, right now they're thinking they really have done it.
		Now, let's think about that.
		So any little scraping of you, any scraping of your skin or perhaps plucking one of your hairs out would give the scientists all they need to grow you anything you want.
		Need a liver?
		Hey, one liver on the way.
		Need a replacement heart?
		One that's really you on the way.
		Of course, you can imagine the price tag for this is going to be heavy duty.
		Need another right leg?
		Let's brew one up.
		From your own cells, from your own DNA instructions.
		One little tiny stem cell can do all of this is what they're saying.
		Absolutely amazing.
		An amazing, amazing discovery, if true.
		So on this one, everybody, it would change everything, so you should hold your breath and hope that it is true.
		And then maybe we're not going to be going down the cloning road we thought we were.
		Oh, these discoveries, they come very quickly.
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		When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
		I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
		You know, when you start looking into things, there's only certain set of conclusions you can reach.
		And unfortunately, this is one of them.
		You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
		Now we take you back to the night of January 25, 2002, on ArtVell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		ArtVell Somewhere in Time Let us begin where we left off last night.
		The story was getting so interesting that I asked the gentleman last night, that would be Ken, to email me and give me some contact information.
		And he did.
		And so here is my last caller from last night, Ken.
		Hello, Ken.
		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm really happy you decided to come back on with me tonight, and I appreciate your taking the time to do that.
unidentified		No problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let us begin as we did last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have the luxury now of a little more time, and you can tell us in a little more detail exactly what happened.
unidentified		Exactly what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay, well, New Year's Eve of 2000, we moved into this house.
		Where are you?
		I'm out of Portland, Oregon.
		Right.
		And the house that we moved into is, oh, God, it was built in 1910.
		So it's a fairly old home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And from day one, Sherry, my girlfriend, she just, something about the place wasn't right to her.
unidentified		She just felt that there was something that was off there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was this a fixer-upper, that kind of deal?
unidentified		It was, well, it was a rental.
		And it was through a friend that they weren't going to rent it, but I needed a place.
		And they said, sure, you know, it had been sitting vacant for like six months, I guess.
		Six to eight months.
		Later, we came to find out that the gal that lived there before just up and left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The way you ultimately had to.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		And since then, we found out some other stuff, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but let's not jump ahead.
		Go to the beginning.
		You moved into the house.
		Lucky to get in.
		Sherry didn't much like it.
unidentified		You know, a little work and fix it up some, you know, it might, you know, come around, you know, feel a little better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Well, she's kind of like she's able to really pick up on stuff.
		You know, sees things that other people don't see, you know, or feel stuff.
		You know, she's really in tune with what's going on around her.
		A lot more than I am until now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you would have described yourself as, what, kind of skeptical of that?
		Yeah, very skeptical.
		Okay.
		All right, good.
unidentified		And so it started off with, she said that she'd seen like angels around the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Angels?
unidentified		Yeah, you know, which I thought, you know, that was kind of odd.
		And she says, well, it's a good thing, you know.
		And, okay, so I never seen them.
		But she said there was always just one out by this tree, and then he'd be in this other room.
		She had this thing about being in the kitchen all the time, that she felt safe there, didn't like being in any other rooms in the house, especially the front room area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, rooms can have a feel to them.
unidentified		Sure.
		And so this went on, and it was kind of funny because every now and then, sometimes I'd fall asleep on the couch, and I'd be woke up to somebody whispering in your ear, really weird, kind of like saying something that's like, you know, like, leave me alone.
		I'm trying to sleep and look, and there's nobody there.
		So, you know, I just kind of like, oh, I was dreaming.
		You know, I just passed it off.
		And then there were several times I'd be sitting in the front room by myself and maybe the kids might be upstairs and she was at work.
		I'd be playing a video game or something, just kind of fighting some time.
		And you get that feeling that somebody's walking up behind you, like you can hear the floor kind of squeak, you know, and you turn around and there's nobody there.
		So this would happen off and on.
		You know, it wasn't, you know, it's just kind of like, okay, you know, just my imagination running rapid never really put anything together.
		So a little bit later, then we started hearing the little girl laughter.
		You know, this is a couple of months of being there.
		Most of the time when I heard it, I would be upstairs in the bathroom, and it was like right outside the door, but nobody would be there at the house.
		It only happened when nobody was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Children, do you have a little girl?
unidentified		I have an 11-year-old daughter and a 12-year-old son.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No really little girls.
unidentified		No, no.
		This is younger than what they would be.
		And it's just like a little laugh or like he was playing with a friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just outside your door.
unidentified		Right outside the bathroom door, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Audible, loud, just like you would hear it if there was a little girl.
unidentified		Exactly.
		My kids were right there in the house.
		I'd be the only one in there.
		And then, like, Sherry would see shadows move all the time in the house.
		You know, like, oh, there it goes.
		You know, it was in the front room, but I wouldn't see it.
		Well, then I started, after a while, catching out of the corner of my eye, seeing something move.
		Sometimes in the bathroom upstairs, there was a mirror on the back wall.
		And if you had the medicine cabinet open, you could see right into the hallway when I was shaving.
		This one particular day, I'm in there shaving, and I see this go from my room into my son's room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See what go?
unidentified		Shadow figure, something black, four feet in height, you know, like a kid or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Small.
unidentified		Yeah, so right after that, my son comes running up the stairs, and I say, you know, hey, Brandon, is there somebody with you?
		And he's like, nope, by myself.
		I'm like, okay.
		I just must be seeing things again, you know.
		So this kind of keeps going on.
		And then it was kind of odd because that first summer there in the house, the house is real drafty.
		I mean, it's, you know, really old.
		It's not insulated.
		Well, it's, you know, 90 degrees out in the summertime.
		And when we come home from work, you'd have to go around and open up all the doors to let the heat in because it was so cold in the house that you'd have to wear a coat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		You know, and it's like, there's something not right.
		Sherry kept bringing that up.
		And I'm like, oh, well, we've got the shade of the trees.
		You know, skeptics try to make reason out of anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The brain struggles to do that.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Which I did all the time.
		And so this went along.
		And then her went through that winter.
		And there was just somewhere activity going on.
		And then her son come to live with us.
		He was living out of state and come up.
		And the first night that he was there, we were talking about what he's been doing and what's going on.
		And so we went up to bed and he slept downstairs in the front room on the couch.
		I don't know what time was it?
		About probably 11, 11.30 like that.
		Sherry gets woke up by my son's radio in his room blasting.
		It's like, why did he set his alarm?
		Get up.
		So she gets up, goes walking in there, and it's just blasting loud.
		And she's shaking him, trying to wake him up, and he won't wake up.
		And the radio, which she normally has like on all these but goodies and stuff, is saying over and over again, time to kill, time to kill, which just freaks her out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Time to kill?
unidentified		Yes.
		So she rips the cord out of the wall, turning the radio off, walks out of the room, and there's Greg is sitting at the top of the stairs, just white as a ghost, looking at her.
		And he goes, I am not sleeping down there by myself.
		Can I sleep in your room?
		Because something has just pinned me on the couch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, Ken, hold on.
		We're here at the bottom of the hour.
		There's more to this.
		He was the last caller last night.
		You didn't get to hear all of this.
		Tonight you are.
		I'm Arthur.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Then I bet you can tell.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 25, 2002.
		Coast to Coast AM from January
		25, 2002.
		Coast to Coast AM from January 25, 2002.
		You are the end, but I'm alive.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ken tells me Sherry, his girlfriend, is there and prepare to verify everything you're hearing from Ken right now.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Don't move.
unidentified		Don't move.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of January 25, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back now to Ken.
		Ken, you know, if I had encountered a radio blaring out time to kill my child's room, hey, that would be when I'd pack up and haul butt.
		And that's what some people on Fast Blaster are saying here.
		It would be time to go.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		Which is, that's one of the things that we have been discussing between ourselves and what was going on, because something would happen like that or something else.
		And it seemed like within 15 to 20 minutes time that it was like you never even knew it happened.
		there was some type of control manipulation whatever it was there the power that this thing had but now by that do you mean you didn't remember the event or do you do you mean the event just didn't seem You know, like there was really nothing going on.
		Okay.
		You know, it was like something would push everything to the back of your mind.
		Okay.
		I mean, even the stuff that happened to Sherry that, you know, she would be traumatized, and within two or three hours, we were back to doing our normal daily routine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess that's really the way life is.
		I've had a lot of traumatic events in my life, and they do pass, and, you know, life does go on, as the old saying goes.
		And so, yeah, I understand.
		Okay.
unidentified		And, you know, time and time again we talked about getting out of there, you know, but it just, it wouldn't, you know, we'd make up excuses about stuff or something or, you know, it didn't seem so bad.
		Yeah.
		You know, or Sherry would try to leave and be like, that's it.
		I've got to get out of here.
		And I would talk to her and she would end up staying.
		Right.
		And it wasn't until after we were out of there that we were able to really start putting the pieces together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, after this business with the radio, what then?
		How bad did it get?
		I mean, last night you mentioned that Sherry was physically attacked by something.
unidentified		She was.
		And actually, the first time was just prior to Greg's attack.
		It was just before he came.
		It was like a week earlier.
		And so I kind of screwed up on my timeline there.
		But she was attacked.
		And we just thought that, well, we won't say nothing to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She was attacked how?
unidentified		She was sleeping in the bed upstairs and was awoke out of the sleep being pinned with her face junk.
		She was laying on her stomach with her face stuffed into the pillow and just being pushed into the bed.
		You know, she couldn't even, you know, she was able to get her head turned around and there was nobody there.
		She was just being held down, you know, and it was like by a completely unseen force of some kind.
		Exactly.
		You know, couldn't see it, but could feel it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Ken, it's not that I doubt what you're saying.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you would be willing to put Sherry on for a moment, this might be a time when she should describe what happened to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		If she's willing.
		Here she is.
		Okay.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Sherry.
		Hi.
		Thank you, first of all, for coming on.
		I really appreciate it.
		But Ken was just beginning to tell me about being pinned down or something in bed.
		And I thought I ought to hear this from you.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yeah, I was sleeping, and I just woke up to my face being shoved into the pillow.
		My body was totally paralyzed.
		I couldn't move.
		And it was a terrific amount of weight that was laying on top of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did it feel like a body?
unidentified		It felt like a body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or not a blunt weight, but a body.
unidentified		A body.
unidentified		Yes, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I had other occasions where it would just come in and just touch my leg.
		And you could actually see the comforter indent.
		You couldn't see anything there, but you could feel it and you could see the comforter move.
		And at times it would tuck you in just like you were a child.
		Not hurt you.
		Just tuck your comforter all the way around you.
		It was really, it was terrifying.
		And it got to, after that happened, I refused to go to bed by myself.
		I refused to go to any room but the kitchen.
		I just sat in the kitchen for almost two years straight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God, this went on for two years.
		For two years.
		Two years.
		Is it over now?
unidentified		No.
		I hope it is.
		We're Christians, and we've been going to church, and we've had people praying for us.
		And we moved into this house, which has, it's a brand new home, and nobody's lived here.
		And our first night here by ourselves, I was just rolling over to put my arm around Ken and this horrible laugh, like it was in a tunnel, but it was right up above us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever this is, it has followed you.
unidentified		It sure seems like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's not even over now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may be there now.
unidentified		It could be.
unidentified		I haven't felt anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you had physical marks, bruises from?
unidentified		I've had a bite on my back, in the middle of my back from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A bite on your back?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Teeth marks.
unidentified		Teeth marks.
unidentified		It took six weeks for it to heal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did this happen?
unidentified		I was just up in the bedroom and it was just, ow, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean just you were standing, laying down in bed?
unidentified		I was standing in the bedroom.
		And it was just, you know, just pain in my back.
		And so I went downstairs and had Ken lift my shirt up to look at my back, and there it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's a bite mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That takes six weeks to heal?
unidentified		It took six weeks, and he kept putting peroxide, and it, you know, it was quite something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I asked Ken, and I'll ask you too, and maybe you'll have the same answer, but after going in to your son's room and hearing a radio blaring time to kill, time to kill, most people would be so out of there, Sherry.
unidentified		Oh, I tried.
		I was so terrified.
		I was so scared.
		And yet, there was some kind of power that took over.
		And Ken was such a skeptic, even though he was hearing the things that were happening.
		You know, he said, well, nothing happens when you're with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it, you were not as much of a skeptic as you were.
unidentified		I was not.
		Well, I've never had anything like this ever happen to me before.
		And I didn't know what it was, but I really believed that I knew I wasn't crazy, and I knew this stuff was really happening to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what about your children?
unidentified		Well, we kept it quiet.
unidentified		They're very young, and we didn't want to frighten them, but we asked questions to make sure that nothing was hurting them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they really weren't being affected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so they weren't being affected particularly?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		But my children, my oldest one is 26 and my youngest one is 22, and they both had incidents with it, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And the 22-year-old is the one that came into our room and slept on the floor that night that he was pinned.
unidentified		But he had absolutely no clue because I never mentioned this to him at all until that night when he was attacked and we told him what had been happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like sometimes it was, you say it tucked you in, for example.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that almost seems benign.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That almost seems friendly.
unidentified		Well, as the story goes, I thought there was just one thing there.
unidentified		But after the end of the story, you'll hear that there might have been several more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but everything Ken's been telling us is basically the way you remember it, too.
		Oh, yeah.
		And even down to the point where after these things would occur, like the radio and the rest of it, it would sort of fade from your mind in a way that lessened the importance of what had just happened in some way causing you to stay?
unidentified		No.
		I would have anxiety even.
		I didn't want to go back to the house.
		tried to stay away.
		We were bike riders and we had Yeah.
		It didn't fade as much for me.
		I was terrified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any sense, any idea of why you thought the kitchen was a safe place?
unidentified		I didn't have the feeling of...
unidentified		You could just feel it like breathing on you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of that was not present in the kitchen.
unidentified		It wasn't in the kitchen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you spent a lot of time in the kitchen.
unidentified		I spent two years of my, I wouldn't go watch TV even.
		I couldn't sit in the living room at all, which would aggravate the family.
		But I was that uncomfortable I could not sit in any room but the kitchen.
		And then I would stay up and wait until Ken would go to bed at night because I would not go up and sleep in that bedroom by myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's like some kind of prison.
unidentified		It was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For you.
unidentified		It was a prison to me.
unidentified		It was really horrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I may ask you to come back.
		I don't know, but I wanted to hear your words, and I just have.
		You can remember as plainly as they that radio blaring out.
unidentified		I can remember everything just as if I'm standing there.
unidentified		Yep, everything is very clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me talk once again to Ken, if I could, please.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
		Hi, Ken.
		Addie.
		Okay, so I guess we haven't even heard it all yet?
unidentified		No.
		There's more.
		Okay.
		So, oh, great, the phone's going to start going yet.
		Go up and get the other phone.
		Let's see, where are we?
		After Greg event pinned, there was a time he went out one night, we were setting up, and was talking in bed, and we heard the door downstairs shut, and we heard Girl laughter, and we thought, oh, Greg's home, and he's brought some friends with him.
		So she gets up, Sherry goes downstairs, comes running back up there, there's nobody there, which there was nobody there.
		He never came home that night.
		And so just little things like that kept going on until he had a girlfriend moving with him.
		And Jamie started encountering.
		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's not a problem.
		You know, I mean, here's your wife almost not willing to come out of the kitchen.
		How were you handling that?
		Hello?
		Yes, hi.
unidentified		Hold on a second.
		Let me turn this volume up if there's one on it.
		Where is it at?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're on some other phone now?
unidentified		This is great.
unidentified		Are you there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm here.
unidentified		Trying to get this volume on this phone to...
unidentified		Can you hold on for just a second?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like we are having technical difficulties.
unidentified		I got a phone problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can tell.
		Oh, great.
		I'm hearing you all right.
unidentified		Oh, there we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, you need to turn the radio off in the background if you can.
unidentified		Okay, she's downstairs with the other phone.
unidentified		She must have just hung it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right, sounds good.
		Now, here we go.
		What I asked you, I'm going to ask you again now, Ken.
		Okay.
		You've got a girlfriend who is spending almost every day for two years in her kitchen.
		How did you handle that?
unidentified		Very difficultly.
		You know, I sat in there with her most of the time and stuff.
		It was like we knew that we needed to move, but we didn't have the funds available to.
		We were just getting by at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of work do you do?
unidentified		I'm a mechanic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a mechanic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And does your girlfriend also work?
unidentified		She was laid off at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So she was home all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But she would try to stay gone during the daytime if I wasn't there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But yes, I understand.
		As a skeptic, what did you think was going on?
		I mean, did you think that she was having problems, or had you seen enough of this so you knew she wasn't having problems?
		It's just that y'all had a problem.
unidentified		Well, that's kind of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it was like...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to get to the bottom of how you reacted.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, I started getting really frustrated about it, is how I ended up reacting, which is kind of weird because since we've gotten out of there and we've been sitting there talking about it, it's like, you know, I knew what was going on, but something wasn't letting me deal with it the way that I should have.
		You know, it was like there was some, whatever it is that's there, it has an agenda.
		It's got a plan of something that it wants to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever get an idea of what you think that was?
unidentified		I don't know.
		We've talked to a few people.
		There's one guy in particular that I've really done a lot of talking with that he's done a lot of ghost research and on properties.
		Anyway, he does a lot of research on the back, on the history of like, you know, a place where it's haunted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And he'll get the history all the way back to the original landowners and try to find out what's happened on that property.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you know about that house?
unidentified		That's the thing.
		We've been having a little problem trying to find, I need to get a hold of Historical Society to get the original back stuff of what's going on.
		But I did find out that there was a family that lived in the house 20 years earlier that in the middle of the night left and never came back.
		Left everything behind.
		Food, clothes, toys, everything.
		Furniture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They just left?
unidentified		They just left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Strong hint there, Kim.
unidentified		But we didn't find that out until after we were out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		You know, and it's like, whoa, you know, we start, you know, because I'm really trying to research this stuff and talking to people and come to find out that there's several houses in the area there that have hauntings all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a skeptic, when your wife pulled up her blouse or whatever and you saw a bite mark on her back, how'd you react to that?
unidentified		It was like, how in the hell did that get there?
unidentified		know i mean i knew she didn't have it earlier so it's kind of like uh That would be the morning that I seen it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This dark, small whatever.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		It's a week's time, but that just built up into this chaotic frenzy of us bailing in a very rapid fashion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you left the house, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so it got suddenly much worse.
unidentified		It did.
		Um, Greg and Jamie had moved out, and that was the point where it started getting worse.
		They moved over to Eastern Oregon, and they're over there now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And after he had left, the activity started picking up.
		So this one friend of ours, she came over and had like some ideas on how to get rid of the ghost in the house or whatever it was and was trying that, you know.
		And it's like Sherry's going, she's pissing it off.
		You know, she's really making this thing agitated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was she doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Religious sort of thing?
unidentified		We'd anointed the house.
		We'd prayed in every room.
		We'd commanded it for the name of Jesus Christ and God to vacate the premises and rebuked it.
		And whatever it was, it wasn't going to leave.
		And we found out later that some things take a whole congregation of people to get rid of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what began to happen the last week?
unidentified		Okay, so she had come over here a few times trying to get rid of this thing.
		Then kicking it off.
		Anyway, Sherry and Wendy were outside at the tree out there, and Sherry's going, I really feel something out here by this tree.
		So to humor them, I went out and dug a hole.
		And a friend of mine, he's search and rescue, and I worked with him for years doing search and rescue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, you dug a hole?
unidentified		I dug a hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said there's something strange by it.
		Did they conclude beneath it?
		And is that how you started digging?
		Or did you decide to dig?
unidentified		This is the thing here is the house is built on a knoll, and we found out that the place that was across the way was intended to be a mortuary.
unidentified		So that leads me to believe that in the pioneer days they used knolls as family burial sites.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ken, what did you think you were digging for?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I was going to dig a hole to appease them so that I could get some rest.
		This is 9 o'clock at night in the dark or the light.
		I'm out there digging this hole.
		I'll tell you what, I'll call my friend up, have him come over with his dog that he uses for finding buried people or drowning victims.
		And if it hits on the hole, then we've got something.
		If it doesn't, okay, you know.
		So we go to bed that night.
		Get up in the morning.
		Sherry was working at that time.
		She left just before I got up.
		I got up, come downstairs, and I'd pour a cup of coffee and look out the window.
		And the hole spilled in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		The hole spilled in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much of a hole had you dug?
unidentified		I dug it, like, it's two and a half feet around by three feet deep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a big hole.
unidentified		Yeah, and it's filled back in.
		And so I called, she called me on her lunch break and I asked her if she filled a hole in, and she said no.
		And I talked to Wendy, and Wendy said no.
		And I was like, okay, and nobody filled a hole in, how to get filled in.
		So then I had, that was like a Thursday night.
		Harry was going to come over on Friday, couldn't make it until the following day on Saturday.
		So he came over with his dog, which the dog did an alert out by the tree, but it was a real mild one, but it wasn't in the same spot.
		was about three feet away.
		From where you had the...
		It did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ken, hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		Just stay right where you are.
		Oh, this is one for the books.
		One from Oregon.
		Ken and Sherry.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM in the nighttime.
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		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 25, 2002.
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		Tonight's program originally aired January 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over the years, this has to be one of the best or worst, depending on your point of view I've ever heard.
		We'll get back to my sort of temporary guest, I guess.
		That's how it's happening, Ken, and Sherry with quite a story about a house in Oregon.
		Oh my, that house.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		Stay right where you are.
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		Now we take you back to the night of January 25, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell Well, all right, Jen, we're down to the last week, the last straw, I suppose, in a way, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last straw, the last story.
unidentified		Yeah, the last couple of days there, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow, it was absolutely the last straw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what happened?
unidentified		Okay, so Saturday I had my friend Harry come over with his dog and worked the property, you know, and it hit on that one spot by the tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Well, we went and put him in the truck and we walked through the house and Harry's got a digital camera and he took some shots and stuff like that, see if anything happened to come up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But he goes, well, tell you what, he goes, why don't we take her down to the basement and see what happens down there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take the dog?
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay.
		So you go down in this basement and when you go down these stairs and you turn right at the bottom and it opens up.
		It's an unfinished basement.
		It's all dirt floor.
		But somebody put plywood up on the right side that goes down and angles over, making a room, like an old storage room or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And he opened up the door to that and went in there with the dog and that dog literally turned inside out.
		It did not want anything to do with that room.
		Oh.
		I mean, just I've seen dogs react doing death alerts and this was like a major one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Death alert.
unidentified		Yeah, that's what it's called.
		And the dog, you know, we took it out and went upstairs and it took like a week for his dog to calm down from that.
		He said the last time he's seen a dog like that was when he had it in Turkey at the earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did either one of you go back down to that room?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Smart.
unidentified		And because I've seen my buddy, I've never seen him scared.
		And we've been in a lot of predicaments when we did search and rescue and stuff.
		And I know him really well.
		And he had the look of terror on his face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was enough for you?
unidentified		That was enough for me.
		So we went up and we talked for a while.
		We were going to get together that Saturday night and go out, get away from the house, you know, try and calm ourselves down.
		My kids were at my focus's for the weekend.
		And so we went, ended up going out that evening.
		And when we came back, I ran down to the store because Sherry goes, well, run down to the store.
		We need this real quick.
		And I've got something I've got to do.
		And I come back up.
		She's in the basement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's in the basement?
unidentified		She's in the basement in that room with a shovel and a flashlight going, I'm going to get you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		That was my thought.
		So I come down there and she just freaks and goes running out of there.
		So we talk about this stuff.
		And, you know, I go, you can't do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had told her about the room and the dog and all the rest of it.
unidentified		She was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So she knew about all this.
unidentified		Right, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So she knew something was in that room or under.
unidentified		Right, or something's been there for some time or that's with a power or whatever it is there that's coming from or you know, I don't know.
		But whatever it is, it's bad.
		It's pure evil of the death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you find her with a shovel in her hand saying she's going to get it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then what?
unidentified		So then what?
		Well, we go upstairs and we're talking.
		And it's like, you know, I'm trying to get a level head view of this thing, you know, and it's like, oh, my God, you know, I mean, we've got to do something about this.
		And she says, we have to do something because somebody is going to get seriously injured or killed is what she says.
		You know, and it's like, okay, so we go to bed that night.
		Now the next morning is when this happens.
		Well, actually, right after that is when I got upset after we had this talk and I go, that's it.
		I go, all right, whatever you are, show yourself.
		I'm tired of this.
		We're going at it, you know.
		And I really got upset, and I was walking through the house ranting and raving that I wanted to see whatever it is, show yourself now.
		Nothing, you know.
		So we go to bed, get up in the morning, take a shower, go back into the bedroom there.
		I've got stereo in the rooms playing.
		Threw my sweats on and my slippers and t-shirt.
		We're going to go downstairs and we hear this, like I said last night, this thump, thump.
		I mean, heavy.
		I can go up and down the footstep or the stairs.
		I weigh 180 pounds and I don't even come close to making the sound that this thing was making.
		And I look at her and it's like, who's in the house?
		And so I turn and I look out the window because our driveway comes up and wraps around and there's no cars there or nothing.
		And the dog's laying by the end of the bed on the floor.
		And I look at the dog and the dog's head is just starting to turn sideways as it's looking through the doorway, you know, at what's coming up.
		And she barks at everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's something big coming up.
unidentified		There's something coming up.
		And she's not saying a word.
		Just her head's just turning.
		And so I step over and Sherry steps over and here it comes up the stair, you know, whatever it is, it's pure black, as black can be.
		I mean, I've got a black snap-on jacket, and it was as black as that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of shape?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like a shape like a human again, small?
unidentified		No, this is big.
unidentified		This is like six foot two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Bigger than me.
unidentified		I'm five's eight and a half and I'm looking up at this thing and it's got this enormous head and then this body, but you can't see like arms or legs, but you can make out the shape of this enormous head that comes down and then this body comes out from it that goes down to the floor but doesn't touch the floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
unidentified		And it's like its head's tipped down like it's looking at the floor where it's going and it comes, gets up like the stairs in and you know you got to where the platform goes all the way around that you walk on.
		And it just starts rotating towards me.
		And it rotates to the right and I'm standing there looking at this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not on feet though, just rotating in the air.
unidentified		Yeah, just rotating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And I'm looking at the dog and the dog's looking at it and it's like, you know, the dog's saying like, well, screw me, you know.
		And Sherry just drops to her knees.
		And I just, there's just the thought going through my mind is if this thing looks up, I'm done.
		I'm dead.
		This thing is coming.
		This has an agenda.
		It is right now, it is decided that it is going to do some damage.
		And it starts coming towards us.
		And it's just like, I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Alien, where there's a part in a film where it comes at the one girl in the spaceship, and it's just like in slow motion.
		As it comes to her, she's just freaked out.
		That's the way this thing was coming, you know, like there was nothing I could do and it was going to have me.
		And as it came towards me, it got just about to the door and it just turned to the right and was a blur, gone, blink.
		And she just screams out, did you see that?
		And I'm like, hell yes.
		Did you see the size of the head on this thing?
		And I run to the door and I look out expecting to see this thing right there, but there's nothing.
		All the doors are shut.
		There's no light in the hallway except for the light that's coming from our room, which is just the light through the windows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm just speculating, Ken, but it sounds like when your wife was downstairs with that shovel in that room, it knew it had been found.
		Yeah.
		Do you think that could be right?
unidentified		I very well think that could be right.
unidentified		And whatever is there does not want to be disturbed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't disturb it for anything.
		One more time, if you don't mind.
		May I speak to Sherry?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate that.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Sherry.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything he said so far correct?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sherry, could you tell me what took you down to that room with a shovel in your hand?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you remember what went through your head to get there?
unidentified		Yes.
		I was so fed up with all the stress of it, and I just wanted it to be gone.
		And I believed that whatever was in the house was probably buried down there because of the way the dog acted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		This dog is like 99% on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were just, you were fed up?
unidentified		I was fed up.
		I wanted release from it.
		I didn't care what it took to get rid of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were going to dig it up?
unidentified		I was going to dig it up.
		The only thing is that there's concrete under that gravel.
		And the shovel wouldn't go through it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were trying when Ken came down?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Wow.
		Sherry, the being that Ken just described that came up the steps.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		That's exactly what I saw.
		We've drawn pictures of it, and that's exactly what we saw.
		And it was so unusual.
		I was so happy because it's shown itself to me before, but it's never shown it to two people at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was a relief to you that he finally saw it.
unidentified		He saw it.
unidentified		He was no longer a skeptic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I sort of wanted to understand what was going through your mind that took you down there with a shovel.
		That's pretty radical stuff.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
unidentified		But if you'd been through all that, you would have probably done the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I agree.
		Thanks for talking to me, Sherry, and put Ken on one last time.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So at this point, now you've both seen this thing.
		Your skepticism, obviously, is long gone.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, that just already made it out of the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So at what point did you two say that's it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That must have been the point.
unidentified		Well, this is...
		Because I look out there and there was nothing there, and I turn around and she's backpedaling towards the windows, trying to find some security, get her back up against something.
		And I, you know, run in there and I grab her, come on, and I look out the door and it's Claire still and it's like, come on, Chewy, and down the stairs we went and we ran out of the house.
		So we're standing out there in the driveway, just trembling, shaking, and I'm like, oh, my wallet and my keys, they're on the dresser in the bedroom.
		Great.
		That means I've got to go back in the house.
		So we just kind of hung out there for a little bit and went back in and normal.
		It was like nothing going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There were photographs taken, and you've got a photograph of some kind of creature, don't you?
unidentified		Yes, I have.
unidentified		There's several on the picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Several?
unidentified		Yes, there's several that look like monsters, and then there's a couple that look like demons, and a human-looking guy that's looking over looks like a tombstone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A tombstone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In order to get me these photographs, you don't have a scanner on your own.
unidentified		I don't here at home, though.
unidentified		I have to go to a friend's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you could go to a friend's and get these scanned and send them to me.
		Yes, I could.
		You're the hell out of that house now.
		Although you may not be done with this thing or it with you, I guess.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		We've had some episodes since we've left there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want an investigation?
		Do you want some sort of, it sounds to me like some sort of college or a paranormal investigation team should be in that house or maybe not, maybe with you.
		But certainly somebody should go look at that little storage area in the dirt basement.
unidentified		Yeah, see, that's the whole thing.
		Since we left the house, it kind of made it to where the landlord's kind of back in control, you know.
		And he doesn't really believe us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't believe you?
unidentified		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet he probably knows the history of somebody else who's run out of that house a long time ago, right?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And still he, well, of course, I guess the landlord probably wouldn't want to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know whether anybody new is there now?
unidentified		No, no.
		Right now he's in the process of laying new carpet and painting.
		In fact, I have to go there tomorrow.
		I still have a two-car garage that's set off from the house there.
		I have a bunch of parts in and a couple cars to move.
		Because we left the house two weeks before Thanksgiving and we're just now getting to the end of getting stuff from there.
		That's how bad it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God.
unidentified		To go back there.
unidentified		The day, that night after we'd seen it, and I took the photos that night because there was just this ball activity of like little plasma balls and stuff going through the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And we went to bed that night.
		And the activity moved from downstairs up to our room.
		And Sherry went to sleep at like 1130.
		And I laid there until 330 watching this stuff.
		And I go, I've got to go to sleep.
		And I'm looking.
		It's like, oh, it's 4 o'clock.
		Because I've got to get up and go to work.
		So I lay in there on my side and I close my eyes.
		And the next thing I know, the comforter is just sucked around me.
		And I'm rolled over flat on my back like I'm in a mummy bag.
		You know, one of them zip-up sleeping bags that you can't hardly move in.
		Right.
		And I don't know what it is because I can't see it that's on top of me.
		And it's pushing all the air out of my lungs.
		And to where I can't breathe and I'm struggling.
		And I say Sherry's name.
		And I'm like, Sherry, with as hard as I can trying to get her name out.
		And, you know, I'm trying to look at her.
		And she opens up her eyes and she looks.
		And I said her name again and she kind of looks at me like, what?
		You know, and I was able to say it one more time.
		And she sat up and then it quit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This thing was trying to kill you.
unidentified		That's what I think.
		It felt like it was like partially into my body.
		It was pushing me down in the mattress.
		I mean, I was being pushed into the mattress.
		Like it was trying to suffocate me or kill me.
		Right there, she would have woke up in the morning and thought I died in my sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in your opinion, the landlord wouldn't have a thing to do with any sort of investigation of this.
unidentified		I really highly doubt it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel like you should be talking to the people who are going to next rent it and warning them?
unidentified		I very well probably will.
unidentified		You know, we've discussed this, that that could end us in some type of lawsuit or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
unidentified		To have somebody go through what we went through, I don't want to see that.
unidentified		Because whatever is there is evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How convinced are you that whatever it is may have followed you and be with you now?
unidentified		Because when we moved from there to the other house we were at, we had several incidents that happened there.
		And then it managed to calm down.
		And we got the house that we're in now.
		And we had been moving stuff in here.
		My kids were staying the night at their friend's house over by the old place.
		And we were here alone the first night alone in the house here.
		And we went to bed.
		And like Sherry had told you earlier, she was laying there in bed.
		And she like literally jumped on top of me.
		You know.
		She goes, I'm scared.
		And I hear this echoing, like kind of in a dimension, but not the one that we're in, like in a tunnel.
		You know, like if somebody off in the distance going from the bed out the doorway of the bedroom.
		And I just thought, like, you bastard.
		You know, here's this evil laugh like I found you.
		Yeah.
		You know, guess what?
		But that's the last thing that's happened here.
		It's really odd.
		You know, yeah, we've been going to church every week.
		And, you know, it's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is one last question I want to ask.
		And, again, you don't have to answer it.
		But have either one of you considered the possibility that whatever this is, is coming from one of you?
unidentified		You know, we were thinking about that.
		But neither one of us ever had any experiences like this until being in that house.
		Ever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, hi, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you talked to any other media about this?
unidentified		No, I have not.
		Other than the one guy that he's wrote four books.
		And he gave me a lot of really good information that's really helped to protect us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you haven't done any other interviews until now?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		What I want to do is stay in touch with you and Sherry.
		And I want to know how this comes out.
		All right?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
unidentified		I would be happy to let you know how it comes out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope well, and I wish you both well.
unidentified		I'll get those pictures back to you.
unidentified		You can study those for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And put them on the website with your permission.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I'll discuss that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All righty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ken, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Have a nice night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say good night to Sherry.
unidentified		Aye, aye, aye.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Onward.
		Monsters.
		The subject for tonight.
unidentified		I guess that was a pretty good warm-up, wasn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 25, 2002.
		Go go.
		Do a look around me with a little window.
		With a little girl in a Hollywood bungalow.
		Are you a lucky little lady in the city of life?
		Or did you not alone think you're old?
		City of night.
		Woo!
		Boom!
		Boom!
		Sound decaying by Timwater in Hall.
		Sound decaying by Timwater in Hall.
		can feel it calling in the air of the night.
		Hold on.
		And I can wait for it for all my life.
		Hold on.
		Can I feel it calling in the end of the night?
		Hold on.
		oh Whether you told me you were drowning, I would not end the hand.
		I'll see your face before I read.
		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, in my opinion, from what you just heard, that's as bad as it gets.
		And I mean, that's as bad as it gets.
		And I understand the inclination of people to say, look here, if something like that happened to me, I've been going out of there so long before that, your head had been spinning.
		But in real life, it doesn't always work out that way.
		You've rented a place, you've got money down, you don't have a lot of money to spare, you've got a job, got a wife and children to take care of.
		You just don't easily jump, especially when you are skeptical.
		But boy, that went on for an awful long time, didn't it?
		Pretty freaky stuff, but then again, that's what this is the home of.
		Stay right there.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premiere Radio Networks.
unidentified		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 25, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was strange.
		Does that qualify as a monster?
		Well, maybe.
		Ghost monster.
		Sounded like a monster, didn't it?
		So, you know, I thought I would ask you about monsters.
		Anybody who's encountered monsters, and I sure did get a good start there.
		That was the last.
		He was actually the last caller on last night's program.
		He didn't give that kind of detail.
		Just one more item, and then we go to open lines.
		In 1966, Art, I passed through a pickup.
		I was riding a Honda 305 touring bike.
		This happened in front of a Catholic church just after Mass when the congregation was loitering outside 50 feet away.
		The event, in fact, was witnessed by almost the entire church, Nashville, Arkansas, including the local newspaper editor.
		The miracle did not, however, appear in the paper.
		He passed through a pickup.
		In other words, and you can't believe how many emails I've had since we had this call, I don't know when it was, some nights ago, from a man who was in an obvious fatal accident.
		In other words, that instant when you know you've blown a stop sign at high speed, you see the other car directly in your path, and you know you're dead.
		Only you're not dead.
		Because you pass somehow right through the vehicle in your path.
		A lot of emails like that.
		Like this one.
		An entire church congregation saw it happen.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Thank you for waiting.
unidentified		Hi, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Chicago Ridge, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		My name's Doug?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Doug.
unidentified		I got a story for you.
		It's freaked me out all these years.
		Okay.
		All right, about seven years ago, I was sleeping alone in bed, and I wake up, and there's three hooded monks at the foot of my bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you say monks?
unidentified		Because it looked like they had monks' outfits on.
		Now, this is a two-part story.
		It just looked that way.
		I mean, it was about an hour before sunrise.
		And my drapes were clothes, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, they were hooded.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they have discernible shapes for faces and arms and legs?
unidentified		Well, it just looked like they, well, I thought, all right.
		It looked like they had, it looked like hooded months.
		That's the best way to describe them.
		Okay.
		So I sit up on my bed and I look at them.
		They look at each other, then they look back at me.
		I jump out of bed.
		I run in my hallway.
		I'm heading for my living room.
		And I look to my left and there's two more of these things in my other bedroom.
		Didn't look at me.
		They're looking around at my stuff in my bedroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy moly.
unidentified		All right, This is the first part, so I'm freaking out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least.
unidentified		I run in my living room, I get out of eyesight, and my heart's pounding.
		And I don't know, I'm thinking they're going to come around the corner.
		So I'm there for a couple minutes.
		I go back, I look, peek around the corner, they're gone.
		About three days later, it's about the same time, about an hour before sunrise, I'm sound asleep again, and I wake up, and there's someone illuminated in white light standing on the side of my bed.
		The left side of my bed.
		And my bed was against the wall.
		There shouldn't have been enough room for him to stand there.
		So I go to jump out of bed, and something slams me back on the bed.
		And I'm on my knees on the bed, and I'm about a foot and a half away from this thing.
		And something starts guiding my eyes.
		My eyes go up his body, from like the thigh up, going up the center of his body.
		And he was wearing like a white cassock, I think it's called.
		I wore when I was an altar boy.
		I go up, it gets to his chest, and my eyes start going down to his right side, because his arms were held out.
		So my eyes are going down his left arm.
		And right before I would have got to see his hand, it let me go or I don't know what happened, but I ran.
		I ended up jumping out of bed and running.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Logical reaction.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And again, I'm freaking out.
		So now I don't sleep with the drapes closed anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it had something to do with the drapes being closed?
unidentified		Well, I think one other time I did sleep with my drapes closed, and I saw a ghost, an old woman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea where these drapes came from?
unidentified		From the apartment.
		They were left here.
		And they are freaky looking.
		I don't think it's the drapes, but I mean, it just freaks me out to this day what it meant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But do you have any thoughts on what it all meant?
unidentified		Well, after it happened, I'm thinking, well, maybe my soul could go either way.
unidentified		You know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your soul.
unidentified		My soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they were there looking around for your soul.
unidentified		No, I don't know.
		I don't know.
		I'm glad the white figure came second than first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good point, I guess.
		I mean, whatever comforts you.
		Thanks for the story.
unidentified		Thanks, Arthur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, take care.
		Figures his soul could go either way.
		But comforted by the fact that the guy in white came second, not first.
		Five little guys in black looking around your apartment.
		First staring at you and then obviously ransacking or looking around your apartment.
		Mm-mm-mm-mm.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Chuck in Fairbanks, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Chuck.
unidentified		And I listen to you at night.
		I carve fossilized ivory and bone, and I also deal in fossils.
		And I had a customer who I sold a very, very rare fossil to.
		It was a bear.
		And it was a huge monster bear.
		And he, last summer he called and he said, look, I got this film crew from England.
		And they're flying up, and they want to take pictures of where this bear is.
		And I showed him around a little bit.
		And we went to some mines.
		I took them in an underground mine where there's a mammoth skull.
		And just to make a long story short, it was real interesting.
		These are some premier videographers on documentaries and medical things.
		And they called me a few weeks later and they said, look, we're looking for some, and I really didn't even know what this is all about, but we're looking for some meat that is anywhere from 100 to 500, 1,000 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, why would anybody want that?
unidentified		Well, evidently, this hasn't come out yet.
unidentified		You mentioned a little bit about these cells that they're getting out of bones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Human stem cells that would appear to be able to reproduce every single organ in your body from the cell.
unidentified		This is another scientist on the East Coast that's doing the same thing.
		It's along the same lines, and I had never heard of them before.
		And these guys that were doing the video wouldn't tell me anything about it, but my friend, the collector, said they're calling spore cells.
		And they're extremely microscopic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you think they were trying to do to reproduce this spore?
unidentified		Well, here's what I found out later, they can take these spore cells, and they can cultivate them and actually grow them.
		And they're doing this documentary, and my collector friend said, the guy's going to get a Nobel Prize.
		Well, it sounds to me like from what you said in the news tonight, there are other people working on this same thing.
		They're at these spore cells.
		Well, I said, well, I go out to the villages and buy ivory from the Eskimos.
		And I sent a flyer out to this village out in the middle of the Bering Sea where people have lived for over 2,000 years.
		And I put something on the board that said reward for ancient old meat caches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Frozen, frozen flesh.
unidentified		Frozen meat.
		And it was real, really a fascinating experience.
		I hadn't been out there in years and years.
		And these Siberian Yupik Eskimos have lived there for over 2,000 years.
		Well, when they hunt the walrus in the spring, they bury the meat.
		They take a big piece of the hide off and they wrap the meat up in it.
		And they bury it in these holes that are sometimes 15 feet deep.
		It's like a refrigerator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, they, from time to time, might come on a stash, a very ancient stash.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, on this same island, they also dig for these artifacts.
		And when they're digging in these old village sites, they find these meatballs.
		And this guy called me, and I said, yeah.
		And he says, I've got two or three of these.
		I know where they're at, and I can dig them up for you.
		So I went out and videoed it, and I got two of these ancient meatballs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meatballs, you call them.
unidentified		Yeah, they're meatballs.
		These are chunks of walrus meat, and it's wrapped up in walrus hide and it looked to me like a mummy but it was heavy and very frozen.
		You could tell it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you able to tell the age?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you describe it?
unidentified		Well the way we can tell, and I got a video of all this, I took a video camera and I videoed the guy pulling this out of the hole.
		The village, like I say, is 2,000 years old and we went to the oldest, this came out of one of the oldest sites of the village where these people hadn't lived or anybody had anything to do with it for like 500 years.
		And the ground is, as you know, up here is permanently frozen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And they just work all summer like chipping concrete to get these artifacts out.
		Some of the most incredible, credible artifacts.
		Some of them are worth tens of thousands of dollars.
		This ancient civilization was one of the most sophisticated in North America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think you dug up this ancient meat to be reproduced?
unidentified		Well, I called the lady.
		When I got back, I FedEx this.
		I put it on dry ice and I sent it to the guy that's doing the research.
		I'm not going to mention his name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, please don't.
unidentified		It hasn't come out yet.
		I could email it to you and you could maybe get a hold of him.
		But I sent it by FedEx and she wouldn't tell me a thing about it.
		But I talked to my friend later and he said that the meat had something.
		They were really emphatic about telling me that this meat cannot be thawed.
		And I got this the 1st of November.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean cannot be thawed?
unidentified		Well, they didn't want it thawed because they didn't want bacteria to contaminate it, and it would be harder for them to get the cell to the power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
unidentified		But I heard the crew from England came over.
		I sent it off to them.
		And the crew from England came over in December and were videoing at this doctor's laboratory.
		And I emailed them.
		They wouldn't email me back.
		And I called my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell me where this lab was?
unidentified		It's in Massachusetts.
unidentified		Massachusetts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I knew this kind of stuff was going on in labs privately around the world.
unidentified		Right.
		And this guy, you know, I talked to his secretary, and he's a professor.
		And really what he's involved in, he's a real bigwig professor, and it doesn't sound like this is something he's doing on the side, like you say.
		He's not a full-time researcher.
		Evidently, this guy and his brother are involved in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was a good money-making venture for you?
unidentified		Well, I had the time of my life because I carved bone and ivory, and I got just tons of neat material to work.
		And I did.
		No, I made a couple thousand dollars, and I got some really good contacts, but I got word of mouth from my friend who is the fossil collector that there were some meat had been frozen and thawed, but they were able to, inside one of the bones, get some of these spore cells and cultivate them.
		So I just thought it was kind of going along.
		I tried to call you a couple of times when you were talking about cloning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how do you feel about being part of this?
unidentified		Well, I have real mixed feelings.
		I don't believe that humans should be cloned.
		I don't think it's something we need to do.
		And hopefully, maybe this research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how about ancient animals, though?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, bringing back ancient animals, is that?
unidentified		You know, my life is tied up in carving and dealing in.
		I'll send you a picture of myself.
		I've sold probably more mammoth tusks and ivory than anybody in the country.
		I've sold tens of thousands of pounds of mammoth ivory.
		And these creatures fascinate me.
		Fairbanks are here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that, and I understand the condition of the ground in Fairbanks, believe me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I still, you know, should we be...
unidentified		I think it's going to happen.
		I don't know about humans.
		I think the Japanese are working on the mammoths, and there's such an interest in it.
		It's going to happen.
		They really, these new cells that I'm talking about, you were reading about are probably the way it will be done.
		And this stuff hasn't even come out yet.
		But as far as finding that Japanese guy that went to Russia and all that, the way they were going about it is not going to work.
		But they'll come up with a method.
		They'll be able to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know the advisability of bringing into the modern world an ancient animal that really doesn't belong here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
unidentified		Well, these mammoths were here yesterday.
		I mean, it was such a short period of time ago.
		There are legends of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were fine yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in years.
unidentified		Well, the paleontologists say 20,000 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, just 20,000 years.
unidentified		But they have found evidence in Russia, like on Wrangell Island, 3,000 years.
		And there's legends of people that would say that it's been within the last 1,200, 1,500 years.
		Some of these things.
		And there were so many more animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but Christ was just 2002, right?
		So you're talking about 20,000 years.
		It was still maybe a blink in cosmic time, but I'm telling you, 20,000 years evolutionary in terms of the world's history as we know it, say, since Christ.
		Gosh, folks, that's a pretty ancient animal in a pretty modern world.
		And why do I always think something like this is going to go wrong?
unidentified		Well, it could.
		It very well could.
		And, you know, I believe that the reason that these animals aren't here anymore is because of man.
		And I look at it from a Christian perspective that the earth was designed and it was so much more complex and beautiful.
		And because of what man has done to it by not taking care of the environment and not following the rule book, things have gotten the way they are.
		And we're continuing to lose species.
		And we're really messing things up.
		Still, doesn't it slightly give you the heebie chips?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		to be honest with you I mean, bones are one thing, but digging up essentially fresh meat from 20,000 years ago and sending it to a scientist in Massachusetts.
unidentified		I don't know.
		Yeah, I do have some mixed feelings, but I think it's fascinating.
		And I believe in the creator, and I think that it's not going to go any further than...
		He'll put a stop to it, I think, if it...
		But yeah, we could talk all night.
		I had a real interesting experience I'll tell you about here two weeks ago.
		Well, maybe a little longer than that.
		We have a daughter who we adopted.
		She's seven.
		And this really shook me up.
		But we came home from church.
		It was at night.
		And I ran across the road to check the mail.
		And my wife was sitting in the van.
		And she started running.
		A car came flying by.
		And I screamed.
		And something that we couldn't see grabbed her by the neck and jerked her back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw that happen, sir?
unidentified		Right in front of our eyes, my wife just took this And you saw her move as if by a totally unseen force?
		Exactly.
		We never had anything actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you see anything actually pulling on her?
unidentified		Well, no, but she was jerked backwards.
unidentified		She was running at a full tilt, and something grabbed her from behind and pulled her back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		And I honestly believe, like you say, Art, that things are happening at a breakneck pace.
		My wife says she sees these shadow people in her house.
		My daughter says she sees the same thing.
		I've never even thought or heard anything like that.
		This just happened with the earth in the last year.
		There's something going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is something going on.
		Something's breaking down.
		And what happened to your daughter, that was clearly a miracle.
unidentified		It was a miracle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Appreciate the call from Fairbanks.
		Fresh meet, huh?
unidentified		Yikes.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 25, 2002.
		All this air and cold can find a love of no shame.
		I'm ready every time you will see to take this time.
		What is the motion that you turn around today?
		They are the best way.
		What is the motion that you turn around today?
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine barreling down the highway in the middle of a dark Nevada night in an 18-wheeler hearing all this stuff?
		Man, I'd stop the rig, I'd get on CB, I'd call for company, and I'll think I'd move until I'd heard the last of it.
		Either that, or I'd switch to music.
unidentified		Ha!
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of January 25, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell All right, once again, into the night and the unknown we go.
		We're in open lines.
		We're kind of talking about monsters of all kinds.
		Randy in Keithville, Louisiana writes, these ancient animals, the ones we were talking about a moment ago, these ancient animals are dead for a reason.
		And what kind of diseases are these scientists going to release upon us that lived 20,000 years ago and killed these animals off?
		Has anybody thought about any of this?
		It's wrong, it's bad, and it's dangerous.
		And I do know they're doing it, too.
		They all died.
		And hasn't it occurred to anybody out there that there must have been a good reason why they died?
		And I'm not sure if we really want to find out, but I guess we're going to, aren't we?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
unidentified		Yes.
		I'm just thankful just to be able to talk to you about this because I never knew about Art Bell.
		And there's two things that I've always wanted to talk to you about.
		The first thing is, I have no recollection of what had from a past experience moving into a house the first time as a child at five years old.
		Basically what I'm getting at is it was like I was in a dream state, but I was awake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your family moved you into a new house.
unidentified		In a new house.
		And what I remember from this new house, I can remember the interior of it.
		I cannot remember the exterior.
		But I remember the things that were the most serious things that I have ever witnessed in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In that house.
unidentified		In that house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
unidentified		I'm talking things that were fluorescent.
		They looked moldy.
		In a sense.
		They were there were snakes in the house.
		Snakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		now, were you the only one seeing these or were your parents seeing these?
unidentified		I was the only one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were the only one.
unidentified		Right.
		And I've had dreams continuously throughout my life, not on an everyday basis, but I'm saying like maybe once or twice a year of the same house as the child that I was experiencing at the time.
		And I was in an awake state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you're yet to move into this house yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe these are precognitive dreams.
unidentified		I'm not really sure, but from becoming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something's going to come full circle for you.
unidentified		Full?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Full circle.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the story, sir.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, I don't know what to tell you.
		That's one you can put down to a young child's imagination.
		Trouble is, he's had these dreams as he's grown up.
		Sounds precognitive to me.
		Don't need to worry you, sir.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Dan in Idaho Falls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Dan.
unidentified		I wanted to talk about the dangers of Passover of a monster comet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A monster?
		Well, that would be a monster of a kind.
		A monster comet.
		How close is this comet?
unidentified		It overflies Earth tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tomorrow?
unidentified		From South Pole to the North Pole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean tomorrow as in today after midnight today, or do you mean tomorrow tomorrow?
unidentified		After midnight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this day, then?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know about this monster comet?
unidentified		Well, I discovered it more than three years ago, and I gave the course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it's as close as you say it is, shouldn't the major astronomical observatories around the world be seeing it like crazy right now?
unidentified		You see, this comet was altered.
		The course was altered by the U.S. government.
		And apparently they're going to be secret about it.
		But I wanted to talk about the dangers that we're going to experience tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And those are what?
unidentified		Planetary lightning bolts and a tremendous electrical storm.
unidentified		Don't you got a hundred-foot tower there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, yes.
unidentified		Ooh.
unidentified		Smoking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Both have great, just great, planetary lightning bolts.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Everybody should be tuned to NOAA weather alert because you're not going to see the comet.
		It's going to go by in minutes and people who see it are going to be in mid-Pacific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea about what time?
unidentified		You're in the Mountain Standard Time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm Pacific.
unidentified		Pacific.
unidentified		That would be 6.57 p.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		6.57 p.m.
unidentified		That's when it crosses the equator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And as this comet passes, there are going to be incredible disturbances, you say, to our atmosphere.
unidentified		Yeah, electrical lightning storms.
unidentified		And you want to disconnect your electrical power at the main when it starts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thanks for the warning.
		I'm going to really feel extremely stupid if I don't pay attention to that man, and it happens.
		Yes, I've got a tower.
		another tower here in town, the radio station, and enough electronics to make up my own war room, you know, if I wanted to rewire it all.
		So, if we are about to have a gigantic comet pass and massive electrical storms in our atmosphere later today, I would have to have Because it's going to fry all my broadcast equipment, my uplink and all the stuff at the end of the dish, you know, that the head that transmits to the satellite.
		And God knows what it's going to do to the satellite.
		So what chance do I have?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Art?
		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, this is Jason from Syracuse, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jason.
unidentified		I've been trying to call you for months.
		We've actually been contacted.
		It happened east of Phoenix near Canyon Lake, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who has been contacted?
unidentified		Me and two friends of mine.
		The Anunnaki actually communicated with us mentally from three spacecrafts, two silver disks, and one large octagonal.
		It was gigantic.
		It flew right above our car.
		And as it was flying right above our car, it stopped and it hovered.
		It didn't make any sound.
		And we all felt our minds being lifted.
		And as our minds were being lifted, we could understand what they were trying to say.
		And I could actually know what my friends were thinking.
		and that was like the most mind-boggling thing.
		I could actually, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are all sharing a mind.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where were you when this occurred, please?
unidentified		Canyon Lake.
unidentified		It's 50 miles east of Phoenix, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what were you doing out there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you now?
unidentified		Right now I'm in Syracuse, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Syracuse, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were out there on vacation or something or what?
unidentified		I went to college there for a whole semester there in Mesa.
		And we had gone camping that weekend.
		And the weekend before we went out there to swim in Canyon Lake.
		And we were like, well, let's go back camping and watch the sun come up because out there you can see all the stars and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		It's really cool.
		Beautiful.
		But as they were above us, our minds were lifted to where we could understand what they were saying.
		And I could read my friends' minds.
		And they gave us assignments to complete on Earth.
		That's what I'm about to get to.
		In the year and a half since our first encounter with them, I've somehow been able to channel this great galactic music force.
		and so far I've completed 83 galactic songs and they also let me know that once I was done to get a hold of you A galactic promo?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, galactic promo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For galactic music.
unidentified		Well, they're communicating through this music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, but that is what you're doing, right?
unidentified		Well, basically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you have, all right, well, galactically, I'm going to suggest that you email me.
		And I'll listen to some of your galactically channeled music.
		And if it is sufficiently interesting, I will put it on the air so everybody can hear it.
		Yes, that was a galactic promo.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		This is Kat from near San Francisco.
		Yes, sir.
		Back in the late 60s, got out of the military and went to work for one of the big companies in the San Francisco area.
		And I had a bunch of women working for me.
		19 of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		19 women.
unidentified		Yeah, they were a pretty good crew.
		Like a little family.
		They were good.
		They really did really efficient work.
		Everything was going fine.
		Added this one new gal.
		And all of a sudden, things started going to hell.
		Sick leaves went up.
		People started making a lot of mistakes.
		I started getting a little concerned and started really paying attention to my flock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you associated this with the addition of the new one?
unidentified		The only thing that was different.
		And I watched her, and one day, towards break time, she was kind of wandering around through the work area as if...
		Oh, sure.
		She was doing just like that.
		She was backing this one gal up, and this gal was really frightened.
		So I started off in her direction.
		This gal, you know, that was frightened, she had her hands up, and this other one was reaching for her about the time I got to her.
		I turned her around, put my hands on either side of her head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And she had this real funny reaction.
		She lost all the color out of her face.
		Her knees buckled.
		She hit the floor.
		I told her if she ever did that again, I was going to finish the job.
		Just after that, a woman from another area came walking up to me.
		She claimed she was a witch.
		And she said that this gal that I had just dealt with was a psychic vampire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A psychic vampire?
unidentified		I'd never heard of it before.
		This is the kind of thing that you get for working with so many women.
		Well, it was the first time I ever ran across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got a psychic vampire, you've got a witch, and that's a pretty small crew to come up with.
unidentified		In the San Francisco area, you've got a lot of people who are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got a point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so she was a psychic vampire, and the witch was helping you out by telling you this.
unidentified		Well, she was telling me what the story was.
		Gotcha.
		She apparently was attempting to deal with it, and apparently, well, hey, the other one was messing with my particular flock, and they were doing good work up until she showed up, so I got angry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You keep calling them your flock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so she was virtually feeding on your flock.
unidentified		This is what I was told.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what happened?
unidentified		Well, she left a couple days later.
unidentified		Everything finally settled down and returned back to normal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of psychic vampires.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did the members of your flock have any comment on this woman?
unidentified		Yeah, they started talking about it afterwards.
unidentified		They started telling myself and a couple other people that they were scared of hell of her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, were their energies depleted?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were they psychically affected in some way?
unidentified		Their sick records went up enormously after this gal showed up.
unidentified		And it was almost as if I had an epidemic on my hands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and your production numbers, no doubt, fell.
unidentified		Like a rock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to say about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I guess the situation cleared, and it was okay after that.
unidentified		Yeah.
		It was a new one on me.
		I'd never heard of it before.
		As a matter of fact, I never met a witch before in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A witch would know.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, a witch would know.
		Well, that's an amazing story.
		You're not employed there any longer.
unidentified		No, I'm not employed there any longer.
unidentified		Gotten long in the tooth and retired myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's one to remember, huh?
unidentified		It's one that I put in a basket that I have labeled.
unidentified		I haven't got the wildest idea of what it's all about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you often tell people about this?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your telling me.
unidentified		All righty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a good morning.
unidentified		I shall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that many women.
		I don't know.
		He called them his flock.
		Psychic vampires.
		We have done a little bit of talk about psychic vampires in the past.
		They're an interesting group, and they do appear to be real.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		My name's Doug.
		I live in Bozeman, Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I have a kind of crazy calling in, actually, just because I never always considered myself a fan of yours, but I never thought that anything strange would ever happen to me.
		My wife and I recently moved into a house, oh, I'd say about a year ago and it has a lot of weird things that happen in it.
		Anywhere from late at night I come home from work, I work the graveyard shift and laying on the couch kind of getting ready for bed.
		Sure.
		Knocking at the the rear glass door and I'm actually a police officer so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh you are?
unidentified		I am I am.
unidentified		So it worried me a little bit of course and I'd come home and put my gun belt on the table and thought right away of that and it was and it was near the the sliding glass door and so I I quickly got up rounded the corner and grabbed that you know because we also bring our own police vehicles home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been a police officer?
unidentified		Oh about five years I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you on patrol duty?
unidentified		I am yeah.
unidentified		I was actually a border patrol agent before that too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh okay.
unidentified		But anyway so things like that no one there.
		I searched around couldn't find anything.
		Stereo turns on a lot on its own.
		I don't know this place is crazy.
		And you know listening you talk to the guy earlier about having other concerns about not moving out of the house because of monetary reasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, absolutely.
unidentified		And nothing bad has happened.
unidentified		We found our good pots and pans laying in the middle of the garage cement floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you see, if you listen to his story, it started out with the kind of things that you're describing.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it progressed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I don't know at what point you say, enough, I'm the hell out of here.
unidentified		Well, luckily enough, actually, I guess we're probably moving for good or bad.
		You know, it has nothing to do with the house.
		I have another job opportunity somewhere else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If something seven or eight feet tall, black, and obviously not exactly human, as we understand it, were to begin approaching you and you had a gun, what would you do?
unidentified		Well, I don't, I mean, think I would shoot it.
		I wouldn't know what to do.
		I deal in the human realm all the time, of course, and if I didn't think it was human, I wouldn't know what to do, honestly.
		I'd be a little intimidated.
		We have, you know, I kind of laugh about it because I myself am not super convinced as to what's going on.
		The knock at the door was the weirdest because, well, the second weirdest, just because of the fact that I was right there and I looked around thinking some joker was playing a trick on me, you know, a nose on the cop or whatever.
		But no one was there and they couldn't have gotten away that quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think people would be disinclined to play pranks on people they know have guns.
unidentified		They just, you know, nothing surprises me.
unidentified		I did wake up one afternoon with scratch marks on my back, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scratch marks?
unidentified		Yeah, well, that kind of worried me.
unidentified		I was a little bit reluctant to show my wife because, of course, she hadn't placed them there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I understand.
		She might be concerned about who did.
		Officer, listen, I've got a scoot because we're at a breakpoint here.
unidentified		Yeah, well, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Find a new place to live.
unidentified		Yeah, I'll try my best.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, see ya.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 25, 2002.
		I'll be right back in the alley.
		I'm ready.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready.
		Oh, oh, oh, I'm ready.
		And I'm really going to rock tonight.
		Sweet little lady, sing a song for it.
		Sing me out like you ain't never heard of what she ain't ready.
		No, no, no, he ain't ready.
		No, no, no, he ain't ready.
		The ending ain't gonna rock and roll.
		Kick me out like you ain't never heard of what she ain't.
		And the run.
		The music plays.
		The nonchalas.
		The lonely day.
		The lonely night.
		Where would I be without my woman?
		The lonely day.
		The lonely night.
		Where would I be without my woman?
		Lonely day.
		Lonely night.
		Where would I be without my woman?
		The lonely day.
		The lonely night.
		The lonely night.
		Where would I be without my woman?
		The lonely day.
		Lonely days, lonely night.
		Where would I be without my love?
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired January 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tonight's program may come under the category of be very, very careful what you ask for.
		I thought we'd talk just a little bit about monsters, but it's gotten way out of control.
		Way out of control.
		This is Freaky Stuff, and we'll be right back.
unidentified		Freaky Stuff, and we'll be right back.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of January 25, 2002, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The next caller I actually know the name of, he's Jay in Akron, Ohio, and he just fast-blasted me the following.
		Got a weird story for you.
		I hit a UFO with my car.
		If you'd like to chat with me about it, call so-and-so, and I've got the number, and actually I've got Jay online.
		Hello there, Jay.
		Hi, Art.
		How you doing?
		Yeah, I hear you fine.
unidentified		I'm doing okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in Ohio, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I live in Akron.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		Welcome to you on WTAM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened to you?
unidentified		Well, this happened about, I don't know, I think 99, summer 99.
unidentified		I was driving home from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I was on Route 7, or Interstate 76, heading westbound.
		And it was about 3 o'clock in the morning.
		I was visiting friends, and I was just heading home.
		And at night on the freeway, you know, there was hardly any cars, maybe just a couple of rigs driving by.
		And I come around the corner.
		I was doing probably about 70 miles an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you in a car or a truck?
unidentified		Yeah, I was in my car.
		I drive an ESA.
		And I had just come around the corner, and there was a rig off to the side of the road.
		And when I drove by, you know, he was just sitting there.
		And when I drove by him, he blew his truck on it, you know, which I thought was kind of strange.
		So I looked back and I just saw him just burr.
		And he made the sound.
		And I looked around and I'm like, oh, this is weird.
		I wonder what he's doing.
		And I looked ahead and all of a sudden in the middle of the road was a, I just saw the black outline of it.
		And it looked just like the thing that, I forget his name, that guy that found a UFO when, I think it was Washington and the alien attacked him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, Dr. Reed.
unidentified		Yeah, it was shaped like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about what he called the obelisk?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		It was shaped like the obelisk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that trucker that blew the horn was really trying to warn you, wasn't he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		I have no idea why he was sitting there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if he was stopped, then I would conclude that he saw whatever it was in the road.
unidentified		Yeah, but the way he blew his horn, it made me turn around and look at him, and I was like, what the hell's going on?
		And then I looked and I saw it.
		And it was floating in the middle of the highway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just floating.
unidentified		Just right there in the middle of the highway.
		My headlights hit it, but what was weird is the light didn't really reflect off of it.
		It just kind of like absorbed it almost.
		Like it wasn't even made of metal.
		And my car came right underneath it, and when it did, top half of my windshield hit it.
		And I spun out in the road and I landed in the median.
		And when I looked around, it was gone.
		It was gone.
		Yeah.
		But the truck was still there.
		The truck was sitting.
		I saw his headlights and everything.
		And I got stuck.
		And I tried to back out and I couldn't do it.
		And I had to get out of my car.
		And he just left.
		He started to roll away and he drove right past me and just kept on going.
		And I'm sitting there in the middle of the road like, what the hell?
		But I looked at my windshield.
		And the only damage to my car was the windshield was cracked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So about, I don't know, about 10 minutes later, another car came down the road and I waved him over.
		And I told him I ran off the road.
		I didn't tell him about the UFO or anything or anything I hit.
		And he helped me get my car out of there.
		And the only other damage to my car was I had ripped a metal shield that's like a heat shield off the top of my exhaust pipe.
		That was the only other damage to my car besides the crack of my windshield.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's odd.
		That whole thing is odd.
		What do you think you hit?
unidentified		I have no idea, but I've been trying to call you, I don't know, for the past couple months, but now I kind of forgot about calling you, and then you guys were talking about things in the middle of the road and all that stuff.
unidentified		So I decided to, you know, fact splash you to see if you could, you know, get a hold of me or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I did, and I appreciate your story.
		I don't know.
		I don't even begin to know how to diagnose what happened to you.
unidentified		You know, it's pretty weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're sure that whatever it was was just hovering there.
unidentified		Just hovering right in the middle of the road, and I hit it at about 70 miles an hour.
		And, I mean, I don't even know if I damaged it or whatever.
		All I remember is this big bunk, and I ducked my head.
		Next thing I know, I'm off in the ditch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
unidentified		See, and I turned around, you know, looking around.
		I didn't really see much.
		I just saw a truck off in the distance.
		And I think it was gone because I got out of my car.
		I didn't see anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He probably didn't want anything to do with any of it.
unidentified		But I'm standing there looking at him, and he just drives away, and he just pulls away.
		And, you know, it was like one of those, I forget what kind of trucking company it is.
		I probably shouldn't even have mentioned it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, don't, please.
		But it's not necessary.
		You know, it's human nature.
		I mean, I really think the guy probably had seen this and was stopped looking at it and was trying to warn you.
unidentified		Unless he hit it too or something.
		I have no idea.
		It was just weird.
		It was a weird occasion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Weird Ohio, weird Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		All right, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		All right, there you go.
		For what it's worth.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Yes.
		Yes, my name is Albert, and I'm calling from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And my story is this.
		I'll try to make it short.
		Routinely, in a previous house that I was living in, it was a rented house.
		We had a separate garage from the house, and I would operate a ham shack out of the garage, as well as I had a workbench where I would put together printed circuit boards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Play your ham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your ham.
unidentified		Finally, I spent a lot of evening hours inside that shed, and nothing unusual happened other than just listening to you on the radio.
unidentified		But one night, I was working on a circuit board, and then all of a sudden I start hearing a crunching sound on top of the garage roof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Crunching?
unidentified		Yes, like somebody really heavyweight walking on top of the roof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And since I have I had set up a lot of antennas on top of the roof for different frequencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like, oh my god, my antennas.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Either my antennas or somebody was out there to do something to them, you know?
		So immediately I opened up, I had a mag light, you know, one of these big flashlights, and I walked outside the back side of the garage and shined the light up on top of the roof.
		And what I saw is something that was so incredible that to this day I'm still freaked out over it.
		I can't understand what I saw.
		But basically it comes in line with what you guys have been talking about.
		It was like a black figure.
		It was tall.
		This thing was tall.
		It was at least six and a half feet tall.
		And it was totally black.
		It seemed like it just was a figure of a person, but not quite.
		And again, the same thing, almost like it had reddish eyes.
		And it just stood there and stared back at me.
		And I said, God, this must be somebody wearing a disguise or something, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The mind tries to make it into something we understand.
unidentified		Yeah, and then I said to myself, I'm going to catch this sucker because I'm not going to allow him to be on top of my roof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You screw with my antennas.
unidentified		Exactly.
		So, you know, it stood there for a moment and it was stunned and it was just staring back at me.
		And then it turned towards the left and walked towards the edge of the roof, hopped off, and this, it's not an easy jump, you know, but it hopped off and I could hear it hit the ground and I went out towards the front of the garage and by the time I made it to the front, it was gone.
		Nowhere to be found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about footprints?
unidentified		No footprints.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about damage to your antennas?
unidentified		Nothing at all.
		Nothing at all.
		And I still can't explain what it was, but it just was something that I've never experienced before in my life.
		It just left me stunned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You operate on the low bands?
unidentified		I operate on basically 2 meters and 440.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Running a lot of power?
unidentified		No, not much.
unidentified		Too much, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just kidding, buddy.
		All right.
		Well, listen, I appreciate the story.
		Do you have any afterthoughts on what you saw, what that was?
unidentified		No, but I had other phenomenon happen in the same house to where it just, we eventually just moved out of the place.
unidentified		But, God, that was the most scariest one of all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it did it for me.
		Thank you very much.
		I can only imagine.
		Of course, everything I own has antennas growing from it.
		You know, my house, all my cars, and the RV.
		Oh, the RV has a lot of antennas growing from it.
		And if anything were crunching on my roof, I would react exactly as he did.
		Maybe.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is David, WGE 1360, Green Bay.
		Yes, sir.
		Last night, I heard you talking about the Mothman, and I heard you make mention of a bat showing up on your porch after your father's passing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly did happen, yes.
unidentified		Okay, I have something similar that happened.
		Our family, well, the last three generations, have been in one house.
		And I'm 51 now.
		In 1996, my well, in 1995, my mother became ill, and she became so ill that my younger brother and I moved in with her to care for her.
		In September of 96, on my daughter's 16th birthday, my mother passed away.
		Thank you.
		About a month later, sometime in October, I worked nights and my brother worked early in the morning.
		I came home from work, and I went into the house.
		My mother had been dead for about a month.
		And my brother was in the kitchen making coffee, and I said hi to him, went upstairs, turned the hall light on, and went upstairs.
		And down the hall, on the left was my bedroom, and on the right was her old bedroom.
		Both bedroom doors were open.
		The hall light was shining into both.
		I turned right into my bedroom, clicked on the light, changed into my houseclothes, and came out into the hall.
		I clicked off my bedroom light, came out into the hall.
		And as I passed by my mother's open bedroom doorway, my shadow went past her bed, but it was not in sync with my body.
		It seemed to move either slower or faster.
		I can't remember which now.
		And I thought, wow, that's odd.
		And I took a step back, and the hall light was shining on, you know, behind me, kind of going into her room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sort of testing your own shadow again.
unidentified		Yes, exactly.
		And it was, again, not in thinking, so I just stopped and I looked.
		And I could see this little black shadow flitting around.
		And I realized a bat in my mother's old bedroom.
		And I was so flipped, I could not reach out and touch that doorknob and shut the door.
		I went downstairs.
		I said to Allie, my brother, I said, Allie, there is a bat up in mama's old bedroom.
		He goes, what?
		And I said, there's a bat up there.
		And I told him I wasn't going to go up there.
		So he got on.
		My brother loves animals.
		He's not afraid of them.
		He got these pair of leather gloves on and got a sack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's going to go catch the bat.
unidentified		Yes, he did.
		He brought it downstairs.
		About five ten minutes later, I was sitting at the kitchen table, ramrod upright.
		I mean, I wasn't moving.
		He said, I'm going to release it out into the backyard.
		My brother loves animals.
		He said, come on along.
		I said, Evan, there's no way.
		And he said, well, it's more afraid of you are than of it.
		That's an old wise tale about them landing in your hair, which I knew.
		I went out there, He tipped the bag over.
		I was standing back about 15 feet.
		Well, first it was upright.
		The bat wouldn't leave.
		Then he tipped the bag over in the grass.
		And the bat, I guess it's got little claws on its wings or something.
		He was telling me you have to be really careful of them because their bones are so fragile you'll break them.
		So it climbed out of the bag and in the grass.
		Then it made a couple of swoops around the yard, I remember ducking.
		Then it just kind of went north into these other neighbors' backyards and disappeared.
		And the thing is, when I heard you talk about your father and the bat, it just, I just about fell out of my chair.
		I had to call you up and tell you this.
		And I just, what do you, my mother was such a good person.
		If this had happened before she had died, I think, well, it was somewhat portentous.
		But this is like a month afterwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if there would be a connection or not.
		Who knows about these things?
		I appreciate the story.
		It was an odd story.
		My father, as you probably know, had cancer and was in the final stages of that cancer.
		And I had booked a flight to be leaving that day, as a matter of fact, to go be with him.
		I don't know if you all knew this or not.
		And I was booked on a flight that day, and I got a call in the middle of the night saying my father had passed away, had had a heart attack, and they thought it was quite merciful as opposed to going through the end stages, the very end stages of cancer.
		You know, he just had a heart attack and suddenly passed away.
		And that morning, that same morning, something really, really, really strange happened.
		I mean, it just doesn't happen.
		It's never happened before nor since.
		We went out to the borg, and there on our porch was a bat.
		This is in the summer, here in the desert.
		Here was a bat on our porch, just sitting there.
		We thought it was dead, but it wasn't dead.
		We thought it was sick, but it wasn't even apparently sick.
		So my wife scooped up the bat, and we took the bat into the causeway where there was shade, because, you know, it gets very hot here in the summer.
		The desert, very hot.
		And the bat just remained in the causeway, and when we got up, much later, after dark, the bat was just gone.
		That bat stayed here all day.
unidentified		It just stayed the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was odd.
		It was really odd.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah.
		First, I was over at my friend's house about two years ago.
		I was about 15 then.
		He was petrified going into the woods behind his house after dark.
		And now I know for good reason.
		We were going back there, right?
		I like hiking, especially going out during the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, he goes to put the flashlight down to tie his shoe.
		I see something kind of palish, about three feet tall, scamper in front of the light, and down this hill, it's 80 degrees, about 50 feet down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And he's like, I'm like, you know, get up, get up, what was that?
		He's like, I've seen that before, you know, that's why I don't want to come out here.
		Let's go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What exactly did you see?
unidentified		He's telling me it's a monster.
		I'm just, you know, something that's back there.
		I just think it's his little brother or something.
		You know, he is convinced, though.
		And his little brother, of course I know it's not his little brother because, you know, he was out for the night of his friend's house, you know.
		And now he's had bad dreams about it because it's in his backyard.
		And then I have a second story.
		My grandma's house.
		She's been renting it.
		Well, before she died, she rented it out.
		This is in Detroit, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So, you know, old murder capital of the world.
		Person got murdered there.
		My cousins are messing around with the Ouija board because they live there now.
		One night we were messing around and I said, "I fall asleep because I Let's back up here a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's consider the wisdom of you're in Detroit, the old murder capital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was somebody murdered in the house where you are, and you're cranking out a Ouija board.
unidentified		I was skeptical because I used to be that way about ghosts and monsters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but this whole scenario is just that it's not very bright.
		I mean, you already know you're in a bad house.
		And you're bringing out a Ouija board.
		You're just asking for trouble.
unidentified		Yeah, so I fall asleep, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You fell asleep.
unidentified		Yeah.
		My cousins are sitting there when I wake up.
		The Ouija board is like three inches off the floor.
		Floating there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Floating above the floor.
unidentified		Yes, and the pointer was three inches above that.
		Floating above the Ouija board.
		Now, that freaked me out.
		And I have a real quick question.
		A guy came on your show a few days ago, called himself Messenger666.
		Yes.
		I'd like to hear him on again or something if he ever comes in because he says he's correctly predicted four signs of the apocalypse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I recall.
unidentified		Okay, because I haven't heard those.
		I've heard about the supernova.
		He said it was 100-some days until something happens.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why worry about that when I had a caller just a little while ago who said later today at 6-something or another, 6.57 p.m. Pacific time, this big giant comet's coming by and is going to cause massive electrical storms here on Earth and murder most electronic equipment.
unidentified		Because he says our government can barely put a man on the moon.
unidentified		I don't believe that we can divert a comet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not if it's really coming, sir.
		I don't believe it either.
		I appreciate your call.
unidentified		Yeah, have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
		Have a good night.
		And a good day, too, especially a late afternoon, right?
		O Doom, thy many names.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and we're into open and very weird lines.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 25th, 2002.
		Strange what desire will make the rich people do I've never dreamed that I'd meet somebody like you And I've never dreamed that I'd meet somebody like you
		If you could read my mind, love, what a tale my thoughts could tell.
		Just like an old-time movie, about a ghost from a wishing well.
		In a castle dark or a fortress strong, with chains upon my feet, you know that a ghost is me.
		And I will never be set free.
		As long as I'm a ghost, you can see.
		If I could read your mind, love, what a tale your thoughts could tell.
		Just like a paper mac and hovel, the kind of drugs don't sell.
		When you reach the part where the heartaches come, the hero would be me.
		The hero of the day.
		You won't read that book again, because the ending's just too hard to take
		I walk away like a movie star who gets burned in a three-way strip.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an ongoing presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very early Saturday morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most everywhere.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And kind of a strange one.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Stay right there.
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		Weird stories on the radio must be Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
		The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
		And all of a sudden, I woke up.
		I simply woke up.
		Is that what happened with you two?
		Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
		And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
		And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
		Here's the three options.
		Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
		And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
		They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
		There's no doubt in my mind.
		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 25, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And back into the night sky we go.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Mr. Bell.
		Yes.
		I've been listening to talk shows for many, many years, but I got turned on to you.
		I was channel searching a couple of weeks back, and you played Some Velvet Morning.
		It knocked me out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that song has knocked me off.
		I've heard it again.
		Yes.
		By the way, be sure your radio's off all the way, please.
unidentified		Okay, it's about 30 feet away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, don't do that.
unidentified		Okay, just give me one second and I'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound like you're an elf, so just go turn it off and wait.
		That's not good.
		No, you want to have your radio nearby so you can turn it off when you actually get on the air.
		That's the trick.
		Otherwise.
unidentified		You still there, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		All right, thank you.
		Proceed.
		You know, they talk about ghosts.
		I got a belief that they're on a mission to either scare or a mission to save.
		And in my case, they saved me.
		By the way, I'm Dave from calling from Hawaii.
		And as a child, I was raised in Japan as a missionary kid.
		And we lived about a quarter mile from the railroad tracks.
		And back then, those locomotives are huge, 100 feet long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What part of Japan were you in?
unidentified		About 50 miles north of Tokyo.
		And so it was in the middle.
		We had our house in the middle of probably 100 acres of rice paddies.
		And this track, this double track ran right through the rice paddies.
		Nobody, nobody, you never see anybody walking along the tracks.
		It's just impossible.
		One day my mom said, Dave, go and buy a dozen eggs at this old farmer's house across the tracks.
		So I jump on my bike.
		I pass over the track.
		I buy my dozen eggs.
		I'm coming back and there's this long train that's I'm coming up probably about 100 feet to the tracks and I'm timing it.
		You know when you're a kid you're I'm about eight years old.
		You know you like to take stupid chances.
		So I see the caboose coming around.
		And this thing's going maybe 65, 70 miles an hour, just chugging and going.
		And I'm saying, okay, I'm going to see how fast and how close I can get to that caboose.
		It's a two-lane railroad track, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		One going one way, one going the other.
		And there's only about 10 feet, 15 feet at the max separating the two.
		So this thing, I'm going up to it, and the train is going to my right, toward my right.
		I see the caboose coming.
		I'm timing myself.
		Okay, I'm going to get this sucker.
		I'm going to go right.
		I'm going to kiss this caboose right on the side.
		And I'm timing now.
		I'm coming up to that big thing and I'm going.
		I must be going 15, 20 miles an hour.
		Oh, all of a sudden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're doing this on a run then, another run.
unidentified		Oh, man.
		I'm just, I'm blitzing it, okay?
		Man, it's, okay, and I've crossed this track a thousand times.
		I should know better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
unidentified		No, what happens?
		The caboose passes.
		I barely skimmed that caboose.
		Somehow, I hear this scream on the left, across the tracks, on the track area.
		This whole thing is like 30 feet.
		It's an abutment above the rice patties.
		There's this guy dressed in, there again, it's that word, black.
		I couldn't see the face.
		All I could see was a figure waving his arms, screaming at me.
		And he must have been screaming loud because this train was just past.
		I looked to the left.
		I see this guy screaming at me.
		I looked to the right.
		By this time, I had crossed the track, and I'm headed in this no-fly zone, so to speak, heading for the next track, which is about to come.
		And I see on my right this huge local, I mean, coming the other way.
		It's coming the other way.
		And I must have missed that thing by inches.
		I mean, I had spray, mist, everything all over my face.
		My bike, I fell down.
		I cracked a couple of eggs.
		I mean, it was horrendous.
		The train, and I'm sitting there shaking, shaking.
		This train passes.
		It must have taken forever to pass.
		It passes.
		The caboose leaves.
		I'm still on the ground on my knees.
		I get back shaking on my bike.
		I'm walking the bike over the next, the rail, and I'm coming down, and I get on the bike.
		I don't remember this guy.
		And I start going down the hill, and what happened?
		And I look back, and this guy was non-existent.
		Nowhere.
		It was rice patties all around.
		This black figure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've gone right through that countryside, actually.
unidentified		You probably have passed our old house in next to Tsuchiura.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as you move out of Tokyo by train, you do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You pass right through rice patties.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		And nobody walks the train tracks.
		So this guy, I've never seen him since, but this guy was a ghost.
		This guy was a ghost, and he saved my life.
		To this day, I'm 50 years old.
		I look back and I think about that experience all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That ghost saved his life.
		Maybe.
		Maybe.
		You know, we assign certain motivations to paranormal things that happen, and that might not have been the case.
		Maybe it did save his life, and maybe it was there to warn him, and maybe it was there to observe what was about to happen, and maybe a lot of things.
		But we attach, I guess after periods of time, we assume, we start to make assumptions about what its motivation was.
		It may have been there for the incident of death.
		It may have been there to collect you.
		It may have been there to warn you.
		I don't know.
		News of the Rockies, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's an interesting night, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		Oh, I'm doing just fine.
unidentified		I got a story for you, and I also got a little bit of a theory on some of this stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I've talked to you a couple of times before.
		My name's Shane.
		I'm from Tulsa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		When I was growing up, my best friend was a girl named Janet.
		And I don't know, we were probably seven or eight years old, and she had a little sleepover party with a bunch of the girls that were her age, that were her friends.
		And they played with Ouija board for several hours.
		This was a long time before the whole thing with Ouija boards come out.
		I had never even heard of a Ouija board back then.
		We were just a bunch of kids, and she found it in her mom's closet and was playing with it.
		For the next probably, I'd say close to 10 years after that, we had all kinds of problems.
		Every time that she would get a boyfriend, it got really bad when she started dating.
		Things would happen.
		She would wake up in the middle of the night and she would see a dark figure at the foot of her bed.
		She'd turn the light on it.
		It would be gone.
		She would start to leave her room and the door would slam in her face.
		Things like that just constantly.
		But it got really bad after she started dating.
		It started throwing things at people, usually knives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Knives.
unidentified		This happened in public places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Young teenage girls, they're really, really, really a problem.
unidentified		But she didn't really handle it well.
		She freaked all the time.
		The area that I'm from, in Virginia, is a very heavy-duty Baptist, you know, Hellfire and Brimstone kind of place.
		And the more agitated she would get, the more prolific this thing would get with her.
		And it got worse and worse and worse.
		I don't know how many boyfriends she lost because of it.
		The only time that it didn't seem to bother her, or at least to Bother her as much was when I was around.
		And it got to the point where there were times that I would spend weeks at her house because of the fact that that was the only way that she got any rest is if I was in the room with her, sitting in the chair beside her bed.
		And this went on for years, on and off.
		I mean, it would get really bad, and then it would slack off, and then it would get bad again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But knives actually through the air?
unidentified		In the middle of a restaurant, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the middle of a restaurant?
unidentified		There's a restaurant, it's called an Italian Village.
		I don't know if you've ever heard of it.
		No.
		Just like a little pizzeria kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I know any knife coming through the air in a restaurant would ruin my meal.
unidentified		Well, there's a little area next to the counter where you place your order and everything, and right there beside it is this little, you know, the standard little cafeteria knife and fork dispenser thing.
		Yes.
		And there's, you know, sharp, sharp burr knives, not really like real sharp, but at least little serrated edge knives in the containers along with forks and spoons and stuff like that.
		She was sitting 15 feet away in a booth.
		There was nobody at the counter, nobody behind the counter.
		And knives started flipping out of the thing and flying across the restaurant at Chris, who was her boyfriend at the time.
		And this happened in the presence of 40 people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This would slow you down, as a boyfriend.
unidentified		Yeah.
		It got to the point where nobody would date her because of it.
		But this went on and on.
		It didn't seem to bother her little brother.
		It didn't seem to bother her mother.
		It was very focused around Janet.
		And it went on until we were well up in our teens.
		But it never, like I said, when I was in the house, if it did anything, it was mischievous things like hide things, that nature.
		She would find the Ouija board out on her bed all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you ever feel compelled to sit down as you noticed she was taking a cotton to somebody or a relationship was beginning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you ever feel compelled to sit down and say, listen, my friend, you really don't know what you're getting into here?
unidentified		Well, you know, Janet was my best friend.
		And, you know, I wanted her to be happy.
		And, you know, it would come and go.
		Like I said, you know, she would have like spells and nothing would happen for a long time.
		And she would be back in the swing of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you still maintain contact with Janet?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think Janet would talk about this?
unidentified		I kind of doubt it.
		She's pretty scared still.
		She doesn't like to talk about it.
		She doesn't even like to talk about it with me.
		You know, I can ask her, but I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you ask her for me?
unidentified		I'll do that.
		I'll send you an email if she says yes.
		Would you?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know the address, right?
unidentified		Right.
		But this went on right up through the end of high school and everything.
		And I mean, it did get involved after I got married.
		My wife, who at that time was my fiancé, Janet used to compete in beauty pageants.
		And this thing would follow her to different places.
		One time, her and my wife, my wife was going to help her with her makeup and her dress and stuff during a particular pageant.
		And it hid the makeup case from them.
		And there was nobody, I mean, she had her own little dressing room, and there was nobody else in there.
		And they had the makeup case.
		Susan turned around to help her apply some makeup, turned back around, the makeup case was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gone.
unidentified		They looked for it for two and a half hours, couldn't find it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You talk to Janet for me.
unidentified		Okay?
		Anyway, the other thing I was wanting to tell you is I've got a theory about this.
		And I honestly think that this is fairly valid given the circumstances of what I've seen.
		I don't think that everything that people see as poltergeist, ghosts, that kind of thing, are actually dead people.
		I don't think that there may be...
		They're either people or they started off as people or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The truth is we don't know what these things are, sir.
unidentified		Exactly.
		But the thing of it is I think that they feed on things.
		I think that when a person is, when it's, If you feed it, it comes back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting analogy.
unidentified		And I think that what is happening is a lot of times when something like this comes into a home, it's looking for a free meal.
		And it finds, like, strong emotion or...
		It feeds.
		And especially, I think that you've got good and bad of these things.
		It just a particular taste.
		Maybe this particular entity has developed a taste for terror.
		And in order to obtain food, it's going to start doing stuff to make you afraid.
		The more afraid you are, the better it's eating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's entirely possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Totally possible that it feeds off emotional energy and fear is about the strongest thing you're going to come upon.
unidentified		And honestly, I'm just curious, out of your audience, if there was any reported cases of something like this happening to an atheist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To an atheist.
unidentified		To an atheist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because a lack of belief.
unidentified		Like, you know, salad of milk or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Do these things happen to atheists?
		Oh, yes, I think so.
		How they react?
		It is an interesting question, and perhaps an atheist out there who's had something like this happen would be willing to comment.
		That would be intriguing to hear, wouldn't it?
		West to the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Yes, Arch.
		I wanted to tell about something that I had seen from Englewood, California.
		There's a street that goes east-west called Hyde Park Boulevard.
		It goes between Centonella Boulevard and Marlboro.
		Yes, ma'am.
		The only reason I'm saying this, you never know, somebody might be listening who saw this.
		But it's pretty heavily traveled.
		And I was going, there's a place right just as you start going eastbound where it goes down and then comes back up almost like a roller coaster.
		Well, there was a youngish black couple that were standing, leaning against a fender of a car, maybe like a late 60s or early 70s car.
		And they were standing in the street, you know, facing towards the middle of the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And they were sat just side by side talking.
		And between them and me was another car, and this guy was driving crazy.
		I don't know if he was drunk or what, but it almost seemed to me as if he was aiming for them.
		This happened like maybe a hundred, about, oh, probably 150, 200 feet ahead of me.
		And it's like he was aiming at their legs.
		And, you know, it was like watching something horrible that was going to happen because they were...
		He actually seemed to be aiming at them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he took a bead on them.
unidentified		That's what it looked like to me.
unidentified		And it's like, you know, you're seeing this happening and you know it's going to be awful if it happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, yes.
unidentified		Oh, I didn't want to see this, you know.
		And it was the darndest thing, Art, I ever saw.
		These two people, in one motion, without flexing their knees, without showing any effort whatsoever, went straight up and back and they were standing on the fender of that car.
		Now, I could have seen them, if they knew, if they had some participation in this miraculous escape, they would have been sprawling over the hood or you would have seen them jumping with different motions.
		But they just, it's as if something was standing above them and picked them straight up.
		And then they were standing without having moved a muscle on the center of that car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so, oh my God.
unidentified		Now, are you sure?
		And they looked at each other, and the car swept on past.
		It didn't hit the car they were on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure of what you saw?
unidentified		Oh, I'm positive.
		Absolutely.
		This happened in broad daylight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, hold on for a few.
unidentified		And they looked at each other and looked at it.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I've got.
		I've got a break.
		Can you hold on?
unidentified		All right, hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe this is what happens when you call into the nighttime.
		I don't know.
		I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
		This is Coast to Coast AM, and we're not done.
		Not yet.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 25th, 2002.
		She's coming in 12 bloody fights.
		The moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide you towards salvation.
		I stopped an old man along the way, hoping to find some old forgotten words or ancient belly gears.
		He turned to me as ever, forever.
		Gonna be some people coming down the night.
		I bet you're singing high.
		Oh, I bet you will fire.
		It's gonna be a long night, gonna be alright, on the night You found another hole.
		I know you're not a hole.
		Good night, yeah.
		You found another hope.
		I know you're not home.
		The night.
		The night.
		Jacket, Jacket.
		Hear what you're doing now.
		It seems like yesterday when we were working.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 25th, 2002.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me, all right.
		Right here on the night shift.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AF.
unidentified		Scoffs Thank you.
		Now we take you back to the night of January 25th, 2002.
		on Art Bell, somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now into the night.
		Here's an interesting fast blast from Daniel in Reedley, California, who says, referring to the lady on the line here, he says, you know, that happened to me when I was 71.
		I was walking along a canal.
		I'm sorry, he was seven.
		Not 71.
		When I was seven, I was walking along a canal, and as I threw a rock in, I fell in.
		I was drowning.
		But then I was lifted out, and nobody was there.
unidentified		That sound familiar, ma'am?
unidentified		Oh, that sounds exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you are absolutely certain these people were lifted up vertically.
unidentified		Well, how easily could you jump straight up with somebody else beside you, both of you in one motion, jump straight up and then go backwards without any visible effort?
unidentified		Could you do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		I couldn't either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you saw this with your own eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then this car in front of you would have hit them had they remained where they were.
unidentified		They would have definitely been left with stumps if they were even alive.
		I mean, it was going to be a horrible thing.
		The car, you know, veered towards them and paralleled the car that they ended up on top of, that they were standing in front of.
		Probably missed it by, oh, inches, and then continued on down the road.
		And these two just looked at each other.
		They were just stunned, and they just started laughing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Laughing?
unidentified		They were laughing like they couldn't believe it.
unidentified		And they both experienced this together and couldn't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you stop?
unidentified		No, I know I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You kept going.
unidentified		I kept going.
		I should have stopped.
		I should have said, What was that?
		It was just an amazing thing to see.
		You know, and I thought after that, I really begin to think maybe there really are angels.
		Because there's no way possible, even with good reflexes, that they could have done that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
		I appreciate the story.
		Thanks.
		Take care.
		Maybe.
		Maybe angels.
		I don't know.
		First time call our line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		All right, how are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
unidentified		I'm actually right near Chicago.
		Okay.
		A small little town there.
		Actually, this happened when I was about five years old, and I told this to a couple people, and it's probably going to make your hair stand on end, even though I know you've heard a thousand crazy things from a thousand different people.
		My father, when I was younger, he was in the real estate, and he bought a lot of property.
		Well, the house we eventually moved into, which my parents still live in today, it's legitimately haunted.
		And I can say this because when I was about five years old, he came to see the property and it was on the market and it was extremely, I mean, extremely cheap for the size of the house in the neighborhood.
		And when it was questioned, the person's brother said, well, my sister died in the house.
		Turns out she was murdered in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Murdered?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		She was actually pushed down the stairs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That will drive the price of any house down.
unidentified		And the funny thing is, when we were going, I mean, everything was still there, all her possessions.
		Nothing was moved out.
		When we moved in, everything was, you know, it was just left to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, people don't like buying houses where there's been a murder for this exact reason.
unidentified		And so the way it works is my staircase, it goes down, it turns, and then it goes down again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Well, right to the left where the stairs go down is a little room.
		We call it the library because we store our books in there and stuff like that.
		But a couple days into the house, my parents were planning it out and everything like that, I went into this room, and there was a chair in the middle of the room.
		And I sat down in the chair.
		In fact, I'm pretty nervous talking about it now.
		I sat in this chair and there was on top of these shelves were these mannequin heads.
		Mannequin heads?
		Shaped shoe or wigs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		And the thing is, when I sat in the chair, it felt like somebody had, like, I don't know if you've ever been hit in the head, and you get that feeling for a second?
		Yes.
		You know, it was like that.
		I kept this feeling like a hit in my head, and then I heard a chattering.
		And the chattering got louder, and the chattering got louder, and it got louder.
		And I'm five years old, and I'm sitting in this chair, looking at these heads, and it was very intense, and my father screamed at me.
		He's like, get out of that chair, and I snapped out of it.
		Do you think those heads were chattering?
		I don't know.
		I don't think it was the heads.
		I think it was more of the, I had all this going on, and I'm looking at these heads.
		I'm looking all around the room.
		I'm only like five years old.
		And he screams and he's like, get out of the chair.
		That's the chair she died in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Sheesh.
unidentified		She fell down the stairs, crawled over to the chair, got in the chair, and died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And died there.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you don't live there anymore, right?
unidentified		Actually, I moved out about three, four months ago, just recently, got married now, moved out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very recently, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, but instances all over the house, I've seen her, I had that experience.
		I saw her silhouette go across windows.
		And this is like not coincidental stuff, but when I was a kid, I used to tell my friends, I have a ghost in the house, and they'd be like, no, you don't.
		And one time, just joking around, I said, her name was Marguerite.
		I said, Marguerite, why don't you show yourself?
		And a silhouette went across the windows of a figure.
		Yeah, my ma saw her from her bedroom.
		She was reading a book.
		She looks up.
		We have a hallway.
		And she looks up from her, where she was in bed.
		The door was open.
		She said, she saw her float across.
		Look at my ma and keep floating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		Well, I appreciate the story, sir.
		And I know exactly the kind of stairwell that he's talking about.
		It goes down one flight of stairs, and then it turns and goes down another flight.
		But before it turns, there's a little area there.
		And a lot of people have little storage areas in that area.
		You know, it's easy to build a little storage area in there.
		And the chair where she died.
		Oh, great.
		Well, you see, that is why people don't move into those kind of homes where there's been a murder.
		Yikes.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell, calling from Chicago Area WLS.
		Yes, sir.
		I had a few stories.
		I had an entity attack one evening that left a scar on my arm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of attack, sir?
unidentified		It was very strange.
		It was waking up, it was like the twilight time, early in the morning, and it was definitely a human figure.
		And the only way I could describe it, it was almost like a melee in a sense.
		I was confronted with this entity, and then we were standing in squared off against each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		entity that looked like what?
unidentified		It was a human.
		Some type of...
		It looked like dressed in armor.
		And at some point, I saw something out of the corner of my eye in the dream state, and something hit my arm.
		And then the next morning when I woke up, I thought it was just a strange dream, but I had a scab running right by the crook of my elbow, running up my arm.
		And it was in directly where this thing had hit me in the dream state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it had already scabbed by morning?
unidentified		Yeah.
		It was scabbed over in the morning.
		It was very, very strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So who did you tell?
unidentified		I called to let you know that it was an enemy attack, but it wasn't any type of dark being because I've seen a shadow person.
		And this was a male human in the dream state that left this scar.
		But this shadow person encounter that I had was very strange because I was sitting at a desk in front of a computer and it was almost like a perspective change because I saw the back of the chair and behind the chair crouched was the shadow person in a humanoid form.
		And it was strange because I was looking at the computer and this was behind the chair and I could see that myself in the chair and the shadow person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me try and give you an explanation of why this might be happening.
		This is just a stab in the dark folks and it could be totally wrong.
		But in the world of computers in the days of computers which are these days we have monitors and they have scan rates and they have very fast scan rates.
		A really good monitor has a very fast scan rate.
		So fast that you do not perceive with your eye the flickering of the screen.
		That used to be a problem.
		There would always be a little flicker in there, right?
		Well today's modern monitors are set up so that they're moving so fast scan rate-wise you don't see that flicker.
		However, what I do believe may be occurring to you is that your eyes and your brain, because your eyes are attached to your brain, are adjusting to this different scan rate.
		Are you all following me?
		It's just a theory, folks.
		I believe your eyes are adjusting to this new and different scan rate, and as you spend hours in front of a computer, you slowly begin to see at a different frequency.
		And as you see at a different frequency, you begin to see things that exist in a different frequency.
		Now, you've heard the Art Bell theory of why some things may be seen that heretofore have not been seen and why it's getting so prolific and frequently why it seems to have to do with people who are nearby computers.
		Just a thought, folks.
		It's mine, and I've been thinking it over.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, hi, Art.
unidentified		Hi, this is Bill in West Rockford, Connecticut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Bill.
unidentified		Caller earlier asked if any atheist had ever had any paranormal or experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You probably just about broke a finger trying to get in from that point on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, Bill, have you ever had an experience?
unidentified		Actually, thank goodness, no, except for one thing that is very interesting.
		I'll tell you about it in one second.
		It's not a ghost, but it certainly is very inexplicable to me.
		I want to say, first of all, before I tell you the event, if anything did paranormal happen to me at all, I would be scared blank with no end.
		I would not want at all any paranormal or ghost events or monster events ever to happen to me in my life.
		Now, having said that, sometime in the 1970s, roughly between 1970 and 1980, I can't pin it down any easier than that, when I was living at my parents' house at that time, I was in my 20s between age 20 and 30 at the time,
		in my room upstairs, upstairs in my parents' house, still in the same city, West Hartford, Connecticut, there was one time, this has to do with a pool of water, I'm going to explain, a pool of water about a diameter of a yard, a three-foot yard circle, of water that inexplicably was on the floor in my bedroom.
		Now, it had been raining outside.
		Yes, it had been raining, but the windows were closed, I remember.
		There's no opening on the roof, and this is right in the center of the floor of my room, not near the window, so it wasn't like the rain somehow sleeped through an open window.
		I remember the windows were closed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did it get there?
unidentified		Yes, how did a large circle of water, about three feet, say like a big pool of water?
		My mother said to me, did you urinate on the floor?
		Of course not, Mom.
		No, I did not.
		Believe me, I did not urinate, do that on the floor.
		She was inexplicable.
		She went and she got some mops and dried it up, and I was just wondering, how the heck did a big pool of water get on the floor?
		Now, that's the only thing in my whole life that is inexplicable to me that I can't explain.
		I don't know how it happened.
		Now, does that mean a ghost, would you say, or a monster or a ghost or something?
		Or how would you, how would you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Bill, I wouldn't say that.
		I'd just say, I don't know what I'd say.
		I'd say...
		Probably.
		But then again, Bill, since you don't believe in anything, why would you put it in any category at all, except to got you in trouble?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, Art.
		Yes.
		This is Jimmy in St. Petersburg, Florida.
		Yes.
		WFLA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		I just wanted to tell you, several years ago, I was just waking up in the morning and I saw like a small sort of human form walking around my bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Walking around your bed?
unidentified		It was sort of like playing around my bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Playing?
		Yeah.
		You mean like a little person?
unidentified		A little person.
		And I thought, opened my eyes, and it seemed to be like a sort of a, I don't know, maybe this was just my perception.
		It looked sort of reddish blue or something.
		And when I saw it, it was surprised that I had seen it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's classic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody that's talked to is almost about a shadow person, especially when they see them straight on, the way you apparently did, and they notice each other, they get startled.
unidentified		it was startled and then it ran And then it ran around my dresser and disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how were you at that point?
unidentified		Well, I was sort of shocked, you know, and then, I don't know, I didn't know what to think of it.
		At the time, I had never heard of shadow people, so I had no idea what it was.
		And I was living in Virginia Beach, Virginia at the time.
		That's where I'm from.
		And you know that the Casey Foundation is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure do.
unidentified		And so I asked a few people about it, and most people seemed to think that I had seen some kind of demon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Adear, you may have seen a demon.
		I don't know.
		You may have seen just the classic shadow person.
		It may be that shadow persons are demons.
		I wish I had the answers.
		West of the Rockies or on the air?
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, turn your radio off for us, please.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so what's up?
unidentified		I want to ask you if you've ever had pokefish.
unidentified		I heard the man from Alaska earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Have you had pokefish?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
		Why?
		Why do you ask?
unidentified		Well, um my father is Native American and we had pokefish every year until I was like six years old.
		Um Polkfish is uh fish that has been buried in the permacross for six to twelve months.
		And then it's eaten the next season.
		But anyways, um, I had a we I grew up in a house that had headstones out lining our garden in in our front yard and so, um, we had very interesting entities around the house and I swore I had an imaginary friend named Lou.
		And when I turned 18, I met her in Alaska.
		She's my cousin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, maybe you ate too much pulpfish.
		It's possible.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um it's uh it is definitely a strange world we live in, isn't it?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I thought it was kind of creepy because um I had never seen pictures of her before ever, and it was just like looking into a mirror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well listen, thank you very much for the call.
		We're out of time.
		I've got to go.
		I leave you with a song that I think is most appropriate tonight, one that Crystal Gale sang for me and brought to me.
		From the high desert, I'm Mark Bell.
		Ta-Ta now.
unidentified		Midnight in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
		This magical journey will take us dawn around.
		Filled with the longing, searching for the truth.
		Will we make it to tomorrow with the sun shine on you?
		Midnight in the desert, and we're listening.
		Let's not do you.
		Midnight in the desert, and there's wisdom in the air.
		I've been looking for the answer all my life.
		I failed you there.
		As the world we live in, are we eating all the time?
		Have we lost our intuition?
		Are we running out of time?
		Midnight in the desert.
		And we're listening.

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