George Zeiler, MUFON’s Deputy International Director, examines the Stan Romanek UFO sighting (Sept 30, 2023) in Lakewood, Colorado, where a round, concave craft with crisscrossing rails and internal light followed his car, witnessed by children who reportedly said "aliens." Zeiler’s credibility rating of 13 highlights multiple videos, physiological effects on Romanek—fluorescent lesions under blacklight—and birds drawn to the scene. He dismisses government denials as Cold War-era cover-ups, citing missing Roswell records and Vandenberg missile test anomalies where UFOs disrupted launches. With millions of reports potentially overwhelming skepticism, Zeiler argues MUFON’s grassroots investigations are key to exposing real-time threats, not just historical mysteries, before humanity remains defenseless. [Automatically generated summary]
During the second hour, we're going to have, it's going to be a UFO coming up.
We're going to have George A. Zeiler on, who is Deputy International Director and Field Investigator of MUCON, the biggest reporting agency of its kind in the world.
He's going to be following up on the San Romanek case and a lot more.
So that's coming up next hour.
This hour, I would first like to welcome K-O-G-O-F-M, Kogo FM.
Oh, ho, ho.
San Diego, California.
San Diego, Temecula, simulcasting with Kogo AM.
Hey, now that's pretty cool.
Kogo FM serves, they say, the beautiful Temecula Valley in southwest Riverside County, including Mariata, Lake Elsinore, Hemet, Wildemar, and Paris.
And so, Kevin McCarthy and Cliff Albert, hey, hey, hey, all right, for you guys, FM.
Very cool indeed.
Very cool indeed.
So it's 94.5 FM, 94.5.
If you're down south, you might give that a listen.
It's kind of cool coming in on FM, believe me.
Now, let us peruse what's going on in the world.
American Taliban, Mr. Walker is arriving at Dulles International, back in the USA, back in a good old USA.
He is the American Al-Qaeda.
That's what he's called.
The American Al-Qaeda soldier, Taliban fighter, the American Taliban.
There were also some British Taliban, about three of them, I think.
Kenneth Lay, the embattled chairman and chief executive of Enron, here it is, top of the news again, resigned tonight from the bankrupt energy company but will remain on the company's board.
Again, back to the war at the U.S. military base outside Kandahar, Afghanistan, FBI Director Robert Mueller said, members of Osama bin Laden's terror network detained here have, he said, provided valuable information that's prevented new attacks against the U.S. and targets worldwide.
Now, that's interesting.
The terrorists they're holding there, not here, mind you, have provided valuable information.
Now, how willingly do you think they provided this information?
Now, this is only being talked about at the fringes, but you know, that's me, the fringe.
We talked for a while about whether or not you would torture a terrorist to save a lot of American lives.
And I think the general consensus was, yes, you would, but you wouldn't use the word torture.
There is something about using the word torture that Americans cringe away from, but arose by any other name would be still.
Now, where did you say that next attack was coming from?
Islamic militants are threatening, in their words, quote, all-out war, end quote, to avenge the killing of a Hamas commander in the West Bank and Yazar Arafat's Palestine authorities said can no longer expect to enforce any sort of truce with Israel.
So things are going to hell in a handbasket rather rapidly in the Middle East.
A colleague of mine is gone at a competitor's station in Phoenix, KTAR.
I'm on KFYI.
Was once on KTAR, but now KFYI is the home.
A talk show host there, who did a show similar to mine called Mysteries Around Us, and it dealt with the paranormal and things we deal with on this program, did an odd thing last week.
He predicted he would die January 19th.
And that's exactly what occurred.
He died of congestive heart failure Saturday at the age of 71.
So he predicted the exact day of his own death and did so on the air.
Sort of a moment to think about him and say goodbye to a colleague.
You know, we've been talking about the second coming of our sun, and we have been past the peak now of the solar cycle for some time, but now we're getting interesting quotes from scientists.
Joanne Jocelyn of the University of Colorado at Boulder, who ought to know, said, quote, the second peak has really swamped the first in some ways, she said.
She is a solar scientist at the University of Colorado at Boulder.
In terms of weather near Earth, the resurgence of solar storms has meant more aurora light showing for people at high and mid-latitudes in both the northern and southern hemispheres.
Now, what's happening with the Sun is pretty strange, I guess not unheard of, but I don't recall twin peaks previously.
There are certainly peaks and valleys as you go through the 11-year cycle, but what we're having right now, I think, is sort of unprecedented.
And the Sun has been going totally berserk.
Should be getting rather quiet about now, really, but it's not.
It's a very interesting story from Dublin, Reuters story.
It has been a pipe dream of inventors since Leonardo da Vinci, but has the secret of free energy now been found in Ireland?
A cold stone house on a windswept Irish hillside may seem an unlikely setting for the birthplace of any such epic-making discovery, but here it is.
It said an Irish inventor has developed a machine that will do no less than change the entire world.
A 58-year-old electrical engineer who lives in the Irish Republic and intends, for security and public avoidance reasons, he says, to keep his identity secret has spent 23 years perfecting what he calls the Jasker Power System.
It is, he says, an electromechanical device that's capable of nothing less than replenishing its own energy source.
The Irishman is not alone in making such assertions.
The internet is awash with speculation about free or zero-point energy.
Many claiming to have cracked the problem using magnets, coils, even crystals.
These claims come along every 10 years or so, and nothing ever comes of them.
They're all cases of voodoo science, said Robert Park, professor of physics at the University of Maryland.
Makers of the Jasker, the name derived from family abbreviation, say it can be built to scale using off-the-shelf components and can power anything that requires a motor.
The Jasker produces emission-free energy at no cost apart from the installation.
It's quite possible the most significant invention since the wheel.
Now, they were given a demonstration of this device.
Reuters was, and apparently rather impressed.
In a demonstration for Reuters, a prototype roughly the size of a dishwasher was run for about 10 minutes using four 12-volt carb batteries as an initial power source.
Emitting a steady motorized hum, the machine powered three 100-watt light bulbs for the duration.
A multimeter reading of the battery's voltage before the device began showed a total of 48.9 volts.
When it was switched off, the second reading showed 51.2 volts, indicating that somehow they had been reimbursed.
The machine went on to run for about two hours while photographs were taken with no diminution in the brightness of the bulbs, which remained lit, by the way, during a short power cut.
The draw on the batteries was estimated at more than 4.5 kilowatts.
With any existing technology, the batteries would have been drained flat in one and one-half minutes, according to the inventor.
So there you have it, yet another claim, which, of course, we can't really do anything with.
But if I can find some way to follow up on this and I could get some really solid information, I would surely bring it to you.
In a moment, I have kind of a local story for you involving my own area, and I'll tell you exactly the way it developed in a moment.
Stay right where you are.
Well, all right.
This afternoon, I was at our own radio station here in Perump, KNYE 95.1, plug, plug, plug.
And every now and then when I go down to the station, you know, we're playing, first of all, we're non-commercial right now in the sense that we're not running commercials.
Aside from those that appear in the news, we're just running music from 6 in the morning till 10 at night.
Non-stop.
An ID here and there, but that's it.
We're just going after all the listeners there are, and we're just financing it ourselves and running music.
It's wonderful to listen to.
Anyway, every now and then I'll go down in the afternoon and do 30 minutes of how you doing in prompt, what's going on, that kind of thing.
And I did that this afternoon, and I began to get calls from first citizens, and then a young lady whose dad was nice enough to put her on the phone, a high school student.
And it seems that shortly before I went on the air here in Perump this afternoon, this is just for a local Promp audience, we began to get news that the high school had just closed, as in closed down, because of black mold.
And I said, what?
And I said, well, we'll treat this as a rumor until we know more.
And then, of course, we investigated and the Nye County School District sent us a press release that indicates that indeed they are closing the high school to ensure student and faculty safety, it says here.
The building is to be vacated until a full investigation is completed by specialists in the field.
Now, what they have found is Stochi Botris Shatarum.
It's S-T-A-C-H-Y, B-O-T-R-Y-S, C-H-A-R-T-A-R-U-M.
Shatarum.
And I did some reading on the internet about this.
And this Shaturum, steroctris shatarum can cause rashes, cough, congestion.
They say it's extremely toxic.
Neurological damage exists in buildings that have sustained water damage or have standing water, heavily wetted wallboard or damp conditions.
Now, they name some other schools that have been affected, the Cashman School in Amesbury, and there have been others.
Now, we began to get reports of black mold, you may recall, about a year ago, but oddly, the reports were coming from, guess where, the American Southwest here, Arizona, I believe, New Mexico, and they mentioned Nevada.
And of course, that's where I am, Nevada.
But here's the thing that won't click with me.
And I might add our county buildings also had to be abandoned here because of black mold.
Now, bear in mind where I am.
We're, you know, 20 or 30 miles from Death Valley.
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This is, you know, serious desert that I live in here.
In the summer, our humidity levels are single-digit most times.
In the winter, they're very low, double-digit.
And this is one of the driest places in the world.
Now, I'm not saying that mold can't exist here because, you know, you could break water pipes, air conditioning problems, I don't know, a million things, I suppose, could get something wet.
But that this whole mold story would be sweeping through the southwest.
In fact, right here in Perrump, Nevada, just astounds me.
You would think if there was going to be a sort of a problem that it would have shown up first on the coasts.
Now, this really may be nothing more than, certainly I'm not a scientist, so I don't know, but I've done a little bit of reading on this, and maybe it's nothing more than you would get behind your refrigerator.
But again, I'm stumped at the fact that it's turning up in the American southwest here, in the arid desert, where you just wouldn't expect it.
And if it was just here, that would be one thing, but it was all over several southwestern states.
And now here it is in Nevada.
So I don't know.
One more time, I want to call your attention to a very, very interesting story.
A lot of people just were shocked by what Mark Hazelwood had to say about the tenth planet or the possibility of a tenth planet.
Well, again, there is an ABC story, a science story, about exactly that.
The title, in fact, of the article is A Tenth Planet, Question Mark.
And it says that astronomers may have found hints of a massive, distant, still unseen object at the edge of the solar system, perhaps a tenth planet, perhaps a failed companion star.
And when I read this, we've got it on the website in case you would like to read the entire article.
It all came crashing in, and the article came to me sent by somebody a couple of days after Mark was on the air.
Anyway, fascinating.
And if you want to read it for yourself, go to my website, and we've got the ABC, or a link to the ABC story there for you now.
The following story, I will just read to you.
The headline is, Flushed with Anger, Woman Gets Stuck to Airline Toilet Seat.
Oslo Reuters.
An American woman had no need to fasten her seatbelt on a flight from Scandinavia.
That's a long flight from Scandinavia to the United States after a high-pressure vacuum flush sealed her to the toilet seat of the transatlantic airliner.
The woman filed a complaint with Scandinavian Airlines System, SAS, after her ordeal on a Boeing 767 flight last year.
Apparently, she got sucked in after pushing the flush button while seated, activating a system to clean the toilet by vacuum, said the airline on Monday.
She could not get up by herself and had to sit on the toilet until the flight had landed so that ground technicians could help her get loose.
An SAS spokeswoman told Reuters, she was stuck there for quite a long time.
Well, yes, that's a very, very, very long flight.
And if somewhere early in the flight, you were to stroll into the bathroom and by accident flush while you remained seated, nine, ten, eleven hours in the air, sitting there, until finally what you had to look forward to was a bunch of airline mechanic guides coming in to help free your butt.
And I don't know, I'm not really comfortable with the entire image that this calls up.
nor should you be if you are mentally calling it up and it's almost unavoidable as you hear the story.
I've been on some transatlantic trans-Pacific flights.
They're very long and to imagine sitting there unable to free yourself, so to speak.
It's unimaginable.
It's terrorism by accident.
I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
We'll be in open line for about 30 here.
And then at the top of the hour, we're going to talk to the Deputy International Director and Field Investigator for MUFON, the guy who goes out and actually investigates these incredible stories and eyewitness reports and sometimes photographs.
And we've got all of that for you tonight.
It's all day long today and probably tomorrow, and I bet for a whole week I'm going to be stuck in my head with the image of this poor lady stuck to this seat on an airliner for a whole transatlantic flight.
It's a terrible image, and you just, you can't get rid of it.
Now I've given it to you, and you won't be able to get rid of it either.
And WMAL, our local station, cut away on the hour, and it left me in San Francisco with this guy's teeth knocked out, and he just woked up or something.
He'd been in a coma, and I never did find out what happened.
I don't want to give away any secret information, but it's not really secret, even though you're just hearing about it for the first time right now.
We booked Mel Waters for Tuesday.
He happened to be traveling around and was quite surprised hearing himself on the radio and contacted the network, and it seems he has come upon a second seemingly endless hole.
This one's really fascinating, but because of obvious concerns surrounding the confiscation, I will call it, or whatever you want to call it, the deal he couldn't refuse from the government of the first hole.
I'm not going to talk about where it is.
I will leave that up to him to either say or not say.
But it is, again, a fascinating story.
So to be caught up on what happened and what is happening now, you're going to want to listen Tuesday night.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Hi, Art.
This is Ethan Salt Lake City from 570K NRS, calling?
We have winter, and then we have a few days of what some people around here call spring, then we have summer, then we have a few days of what some people around here call fall, then we have winter.
Serious, those are our four seasons.
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sounds as bad as here.
It's either hot and humid here, or we have a hurricane blow through, or our winters are so mild we're out in bathing suits and shorts during Christmas time.
Now, here's one more thing about this whole mold business.
Now, when I was in high school, I don't remember one story ever, any place, of any place closing because of mold, of high schools and county buildings and such closing because of mold.
Now, maybe it happened and I wasn't paying attention, but I don't remember anything like that.
Not on the scale that we've got now.
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Well, there's side effects like people are getting rashes from it.
I mean, I come from a house here where three of the members of the four-member family here get allergies real bad.
And if you have any of this mold or anything in your air system ducts or anywhere, or carpeting that's gotten just a little bit damp, it's going to affect you on and down the road.
And people think, well, well, I'll just let the carpet dry out.
No, you need to rip that carpet out because otherwise you're going to have thousands and thousands of dollars more damaged in the structure of your home and in the drywall that's no longer dry, but it's off all this mold.
So it's a problem.
And insurance companies, they're fixing just falls a bandwagon here in other states, too, like they are here in Texas.
Well, you know, again, in Houston, I mean, you're in a pretty humid climate, so it's somewhat understandable, but I just, the rash of it here in the southwest is puzzling.
The most fascinating one was in Sausalito, right over almost downtown, coming into the marina there.
My brother and I looked up and saw what looked like a super white, bright spotlight from a, like we saw a helicopter going back and forth searching this one little square block area.
And then it just shot straight up in the air with lightning speed and left a blue, green streak in the upper atmosphere that lasted for over half an hour.
Now, you know, I have people on who are skeptical, but you said boring when you got on.
There's nothing boring about seeing that.
It'll leave your mouth hanging open on your chest, you know.
It'll hit your chest.
Now, this is going on all over the world.
And I get these skeptics on here, and they say, well, I tend to put down UFOs because I just don't believe in that stuff or because they would make contact or something or another.
All the things that people say.
And yet this is going on.
It is real.
It is happening.
And somebody's got to look into it.
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It permanently tweaks your reality, especially at the time that a person sees it.
We saw one of the kid, too.
It was like a black monolith.
It looked like the one in the Dorito Taco story where the guy, we saw the websites with that diamond black, cold black, marquee-shaped UFO.
And we saw it just sat there, and my brother and my friend and myself were all standing there telling my dad.
And he says, he was in the service for 20-something years.
No, if it's come to the point where UFOs are boring because the stories are so prolific, then to me that just makes it even a bigger story.
And obviously something is flying in our space, our airspace, our airspace, our space above the planet.
Something is here.
Now, I cannot for certain say it is aliens, nor can I say it is not the government, nor can I say it is.
I don't know what the hell it is.
I know that millions and millions and millions of people cannot be wrong.
Some of them can be.
Some of them misled by seeing things they simply don't understand are going to be reported, of course, as UFOs.
But we have sightings, massive sightings by reliable people, police officers, staff of the NTSC, people in airports at control towers, you know, people who really know what they're looking at.
And then, of course, I had my own sighting.
And so whatever it is, these things are here, and they are in our skies.
And somewhere there is an explanation for it all.
Now.
The truth eventually will prevail, and whatever they are, we'll figure it out.
A more effective way than whatever they're using at the moment?
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Well, I don't know what they're doing now, but I think this will be effective.
Yeah, I don't need it.
Let them all see this, slaughter a pig, and dip a box of bullets in the pig's blood, and open a new box of clean bullets.
I have two soldiers there, each one with a gun, and give the prisoners their choice of being shot with the one that was contaminated with pig blood or shot with the clean one.
And the more they talk, the better their chances of being shot with the clean bullets.
Well, yeah, there's something about some number of virgins waiting over on the other side.
I don't think we're going that far.
But I do think, particularly in Afghanistan, whether it's at arm's length with the Afghanis that are sympathetic to our cause, or at least say they're sympathetic to our cause.
By the way, I wouldn't take any bets on that.
They may have elicited information from the Taliban at the wink and nod behest of our spook guys.
Yeah, and it would depend, of course, on its relative altitude.
That would depend, you know, it's all line of sight.
In other words, if it's at 40 or 50,000 feet or 100,000 feet or 300,000 feet, then you've got a very, very different measurement.
If, on the other hand, for example, you've, I'm sure, seen a jet scream over your head, you hear it about three seconds before and about three seconds after and it's gone.
So it depends on the altitude.
That's the only way you'd measure speed.
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Yeah, what about like how I because like I'm not going to get into the whole story, but seeing something about five times, having something with me about three times, and like it, you know, stops and starts and goes back, but it can never figure out like how much distance it's covering and how quickly like, you know what I mean?
There are sort of rough ways to, you know, you hold it up and you say, well, it was roughly the size of, because you have reference objects, but otherwise it's very difficult to say how, unless you know how big something is and what its altitude is, it's very, very difficult, very difficult to come up with any sort of speed estimate.
Now, of course, when they get radar on it and that sort of thing, then they can do that, and they have measured some incredible speeds on radar.
Speeds that normal man would not be capable of and, of course, would turn us to jelly.
Yeah, there was a movie, sir, that I cannot recall the name of it.
It doesn't really matter, but it involved time travelers who would travel as you would with, you know, a group of travelers.
And they would go back to various times in history when various cataclysms had occurred.
And they were time tourists.
They would check into a hotel about a week before a comet or something was going to smash into a particular area.
And then they would watch the event and scurry away in time, you know, just sort of as tourist observers of a cataclysm.
And you have to imagine that if time travel is possible or if visitors from elsewhere are here, that they would very likely be aware of any cataclysm that might occur here prior to our being aware of it with their technology.
There's some evidence that there have been cataclysms the size of something that Nibiru would have caused or a planetary passage that close would have caused here on Earth.
And there seems no question that science now is imagining there may be a tenth planet out there.
Again, I reference you to the story, the ABC story that hit me right between the eyes after Mr. Hazelwood's visit the other night.
Now, the one thing missing from this story, of course, is whether this object appears headed in our direction.
They don't know.
And if they do, they're not saying.
So that's the one part of Mr. Hazelwood's presentation that I'm not sure about.
It may be there.
And modern science seems to be confirming the possibility that it may well be there.
But I think the key question is whether it's headed our way in any sort of short-term or long-term 3,600-year returning orbit, anything of that sort.
I just don't know.
But even hearing part of what he had to say confirmed sent a few chills down my spine.
I don't know about you.
Coming up in a moment is George A. Zeiler, currently Deputy International Director and Field Investigator of MUFON.
We are going to be talking about UFOs.
To be that kind of night.
And by the way, there's a very interesting rendition of the UFO that was seen in the case we're going to talk about right under George Zeiler's name.
If you want to take a look, I'm Mark Bell from the high, moldy deserts in the Great American Southwest.
We'll be right back.
It certainly is.
And Stan Romanowski had an incredible UFO sighting.
We have the video from that sighting on my website.
Now, what was incredible about the video?
It was shaky.
You got to see the object.
There were stills provided of the object.
I'll tell you what was credible and amazing about the video.
To me.
And that was toward the last part of the second video.
Stan had a whole crowd around him.
I mean, it was like a scene out of close encounters of the third kind when they all got together and they were discussing, oh my God, did you see that?
Well, that's what was at the end of the video.
Now, because it was under investigation, we gave none of the names of the other witnesses.
But to see that on video and to hear what those people were saying during that UFO encounter was astounding.
It was astounding.
Well, that case has been investigated by MUFON.
And tonight I have George Zeiler here.
He is currently Deputy International Director and Field Investigator of the Mutual UFO Network or MUFON, which is none other than the world's largest civilian UFO research organization.
His background includes experience in various aspects of banking and real estate.
He was owner of his own private investigation business.
That's interesting.
George learned a variety of skills for gleaning information from obscure situations, which has served him very well in his paranormal and UFO investigations.
His interest in the UFO phenomena was stirred after serving at Nellis Air Force Base.
That's interesting.
Just over the hill here.
Currently, his private investigation experience is being put to good use by MUFON.
George has recently wrapped up his investigation of the San Romanex sighting.
Now, that may not be entirely true.
It may not be entirely wrapped up, but I guess the case has proceeded to a point where we can tell you more than we did before.
And we'll sort of recap the case and find out what's new.
It's interesting to hear from somebody who saw the UFO, who even got video of the UFO, but it's really interesting to hear about somebody with George Zeiler's credentials who has investigated the entire case and more, and that's what's coming up.
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You know, one of those things.
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It's a natural thing.
It's aging.
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It's really the beginning of the seed, if you might say.
I pretty much was a skeptic up until a few years ago, but having been stationed at Nellis and working in classified projects when I came back from Vietnam, as you know, being classified projects at Nellis?
Yes.
Okay.
Not that there are any classified projects at Nellis ever, but as you know, that's the test center.
Actually, the Stan Romanek case started when this particular sighting on September 30th.
He had come home from work and had gone to a gas station and was on his way home.
Well, on the way home, this craft of some kind, which was located about 30 feet above the telephone poles, was seen following his car down a street called Estes Street in Lakewood, Colorado.
Now, that's pretty unusual in itself in that it's a pretty heavy metropolitan area.
For us, it was in our backyard because our headquarters is only about three miles from there.
Well, there were a number of witnesses that saw him going down the street, and in fact, he didn't even think anything of it.
He thought it was a police helicopter following him.
So he even waved at it.
He thought it was kind of funny.
He's going to give him the salute out the window until he sees all these people stopping their cars and pointing upward.
And then he reacts to it.
Stan having had a number of sightings that month, which again is an unusual phenomenon in itself.
There's a lot of people who've never seen one, myself included.
But you see a lot of strange things, but they're generally little lights in the sky, a little in a ball right over the top of your car.
What's even more unusual, Stan, then, because he had had these other sightings, is carrying this video camera, and he jumps out and proceeds to get about 15 minutes of footage, which is terrific from our sense because he had had the experience of shooting some other ones that didn't come out so well.
And I don't mean to put it down because God knows in that situation, I don't know how many camera sensibilities I'd be able to maintain.
Thank you very much.
But it was kind of jerky in the beginning.
I thought, you know, and then it showed the still, and I went, oh, that's kind of interesting when I saw the still.
And then when, at the end, George, when I saw all of these people gathered around like a scene out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, that's impressive.
That's really impressive.
They were all in a shocked kind of condition.
I mean, this is something that really happened, period.
On my website tonight, under your name, there is a rendition.
Let's see.
We've got Stan's video number one and Stan's video number two.
And by the way, I recommend everybody watch number two and watch it to the very end so you can see what I'm talking about.
But on Stan's UFO page, there is now a rendition of what Stan says he saw, what he captured on videotape, a pretty good rendition of it, and it's a really weird-looking object.
Generally they are, but one thing that you should note, Art, is that the reason that we interview all of them separately, and again, I would like to thank you and your staff for being so sensitive to our investigation on your last show because it was very helpful.
Well, you know, the first one that really grabbed me was the fellow sitting at the stoplight when Peter Davenport initially, and you know, at MUFON, we get reports from a lot of different sources because we're the major investigative arm around the world.
This is an older man that has been around the block.
He didn't want people to think he was crazy, but he thought enough of it that he did report it.
That grabs you when a man of that stature sees it.
And then you see all these witnesses on the film, which was more astounding.
One thing we learned in this business is that witnesses don't always see under stress things the same way.
So we take and do comparative analysis of what those witnesses see and glean from it the scientific information that we can.
And then we take and do all the physical processes.
So another one that grabbed me was the young little girls that first saw it in the picnic.
Now, here's this park that he pulls into.
Now Stan Romanek pulled into a park where this family was having a picnic.
Now mind you, this is a nice day.
They've just finished having an all-day picnic for a 10-year-old birthday.
You know, the whole family's gathered and it's just getting toward dusk.
There's still about 68 or 70 degrees.
You know, there's virtually no clouds in the sky.
There's some clouds coming from the southeast and a little breeze, you know, six or seven miles an hour from the southeast.
So that's kind of the setting.
Full moon, just Gorgeous night.
And all of a sudden, these little girls are walking to the restroom and they turn around and they see this blinking thing right along the top of the trees.
The first words out of their mouth were, Aliens, aliens.
And, you know, for us in the administration and running the headquarters, to have it in our backyard, it gave us an opportunity to really, you know, get our teeth into something so close to home.
So inside what they saw as this deep hole, the actual light or the beam that was seen throughout, and you could see even in the stop frames, you could see that little white protrusion.
All right, then, would I safely conclude, then, just so I can dismiss this, that there is something that if it happened, you could not still tell us about.
And you run into a lot of fiction, just like in ufology and studying the paranormal.
The majority of the reports you get are really people seeing a star, a planet, in a car, and they're moving, so they see it moving, and subsequently they believe that they saw something.
The case with being able to see the ball and, you know, the things that we'll ultimately be able to extract things about the propulsion systems, their external parts of the craft, as they're able to take the film apart.
But, you know, how many of you seen art, truthfully?
You see, when that happens, okay, we go through a filtering process to sort them out.
And all of a sudden we're hit with this one where we've got multiple witnesses, multiple videos, but it still centers on Stan.
When I first interviewed him and I find out that he's videoed four or five in the month of September in different locations in the country, one of them being September 20th at Daniels Park, which was talked about by Stan and also when you had your other guest on the
He was shown on Fox TV in December 2000 when he had another close encounter in a place called Red Rocks Park.
That was just, you know, like eight or nine months before that, a major sighting.
So to me as an investigator, the witnesses and the craft and the electrical effects of when it goes into the cloud and the bursts of lightning, I mean, those are all really central to this case.
This case, the September 30th sighting.
But when you look at the whole case beyond that, you have to say, why are they looking at Stan?
So one of the things that we did, and he had after his September 20th sighting, and I have talked to Stan today and he's allowed me to discuss a little bit of some of the things that he's done, but we aren't done with medical examinations.
Yes, and I think people are right to say, look, if these things had all of this technology, I mean, after all, we already have stealth technology for radar, and we probably have some sort of visual stealth technology developed by now as well.
I'm sure we do.
In fact, I know of some things I probably shouldn't talk about.
And so, you know, a craft like this, if it did not want to be seen, surely would not be seen.
Now, this is a very important case, along with some others.
It's a very, very important case.
And it makes me ask, why feed it to us this way, a little bit at a time?
These very solid cases, like the one we're talking about right now with Stan, why would they sort of let themselves be seen every now and then, even wanting to be seen every now and then, and yet not make contact?
To come all that way, if in fact they have, or through another dimension, wherever they have come from, and not make contact.
You know, those are the kinds of questions that drive us crazy.
Unfortunately, we don't have answers.
We don't know what their purpose are.
We don't know who they are.
We don't know where they come from.
And we certainly don't know what they are.
We certainly know that if they can do the things that you see them do, even in that film, when it appears that it blinks out, it really doesn't blink out.
It actually goes from the east back to the west to the mountains, and it just skips completely out of the frame of the film.
Is there a way, based on that, and the rough geography involved, and the time frame involved from frame to frame, to make an estimation of speed of the object?
You know, and we're a heavy oxygenated atmosphere, so that makes it, they just do things that I've never seen craft do.
And having come from an Air Force background and an interest in flying and, you know, airtight structure, it's just amazing the things that these things do.
Have you come to a personal conclusion, George, about what we're dealing with?
In other words, you certainly said earlier you thought it was extraterrestrial versus some sort of government Experiment.
Have you come to a fairly firm conclusion in your own mind after all of these investigations that we are dealing with some sort of alien or dimensional life form?
Well, you know, I think I can answer that in a couple of different ways.
If you go back historically to 1947, 1948 through maybe 1953, 54, we just came out of a World War.
We just detonated this explosive device that destroyed a couple of cities.
There was fear of the Russians gaining and having access to the same access to the German scientists that we had, and we didn't know how far along they were with their technology.
And then along come the UFOs, and the fear was that it was the Russians, the Russians thought it was the Americans, and so you had this going back and forth.
And there was always concern that they could be misconstrued as incoming because they couldn't decipher what they were militarily.
So much evidence, George, so much secrecy that even our own congressmen and senators, elected representatives, cannot get the information.
Even presidents of the U.S. that have requested information cannot get the information they seek.
They cannot get the truth.
The truth may be out there, but it's way out there if a president can't get it.
Now, maybe we'll pick up on that when we get back.
We're taking a break here at the top of the hour.
My guest is George A. Zeiler, who is the Deputy International Director and Field Investigator for MUFON.
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I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A.M. It is.
That would be me, George A. Zeiler, Deputy International Director and Field Investigator for MUFON is my guest, and he will be right back.
The End Once again, here is George A. Zeiler, and welcome back, George.
Thank you, Ert.
Let's see, where were we?
We were talking about the bomb at Nagasaki and Hiroshima and all we've done and, you know, what they might be doing, whether they might be observing us for some reason and not contacting us directly for some reason,
but sort of giving us this slowly dispersing medicine that will eventually come to some sort of crescendo of realization that, as I was pointing out, even presidents have been unable to get information on what's going on.
You know, I had to laugh about that because, you know, Barry Goldwater, when he was the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, and he was running for president in 1960.
And I discovered copies of his memorandums, which were numerous, but of particular interest when he went to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, and General LeMay told him, look, don't even go there.
I mean, I had a caller who said he went to a book signing for Jimmy Carter.
And you know how it is.
I do anyway, at a book signing, your head is down, and boy, you're just signing one after another after another.
And this gentleman said he went up to Jimmy Carter and somehow managed to capture his attention and said, Mr. President, you promised you would tell us what you would find out about UFOs when you got into office.
And Jimmy Carter just stopped cold and began to, actually a tear appeared in his eye.
And he looked at this fellow and without comment, it went on.
But in other words, he was extremely emotional at even being asked that question.
And so, you know, obviously the average person like myself is going to think, well, my God, if presidents of the U.S. don't know about this, or it's so secret, if they do know, they cannot talk, then it must be a secret sovereign, so well kept, hard as that is to believe, that there's almost a government operating outside a government to keep it.
You know, I don't know how to respond to that because I don't know that that's a fact.
But, you know, I've been looking at politics for a long time and I'm a constitutionalist.
I certainly am disturbed that the infringement upon we the people, because the government is supposed to be us, when our own representatives are denied information by the intelligence community, it almost lends itself to questioning what's going on.
How do you feel about people like Dr. Greer and others who are trying to force the door open and force congressional hearings and bring witnesses in front of the government and just shove this right in their face until something breaks?
It's another thing when you work in classified projects and you're forced to sign secrecy and oath agreements that commit you to long prison terms or other sanctions that are pretty severe.
Well, there are lots and lots of people listening to you right now who have signed such agreements and have information that would no doubt be of great value to you.
Here's another way of looking at it that might or might not be true.
Our government is charged with protecting us against terrorists, other enemy nations, people who would wish us harm or dead, and we know there are plenty of those out there.
That's their job, to protect us with the military against threats of that sort.
Now, with regard to UFOs, there are a lot of people who believe, well, the government knows about them, but cannot do a damn thing about them.
In other words, the technology in use is so far beyond even their understanding that they are defenseless against them and what they wish to do, whether it's picking up cows, shining lights or beams on people like Stan or whatever all else they do.
Our government can't do a damn thing about it.
And because they are defenseless, they choose to ignore the fact of their existence publicly altogether Because they can't do anything about it.
And it's my belief that we have the right to know the truth.
I mean, if we're facing an adversary, but you see, we don't know whether these aliens, and we'll use that term because alien just means that.
It's foreign to us.
It's different than we are.
Okay, by taking that tact, when we have alien technology and when we have something that's foreign that's going on, we have the right to know what we're up against.
That's been the rallying point of our people forever.
And our right to speak like this and talk about subjects without scrutiny of government is part of what makes our culture great.
So you would cite the 9-11 events as proof the American public could psychologically and in many other ways handle information that we are in fact being visited by some things.
Here's another one I want to throw at you.
A good portion of my audience, George, agrees these things are out there and they are being seen and people are having experiences like Stan had, but that they are evil entities.
And I don't think that that can be any more ruled out than any of the other things we might discuss here as possibilities, that they're evil entities of some sort, you know, and these people are literal believers in the Bible, and the Bible says there will be things like this, and that when they appear, they will be evil entities.
And so a substantial portion of the population believes that.
Now, there are a lot of people once they have, but to go back to the resiliency issue, the people in this video is a classic example where while the initial shock, when it wore off, they actually talked in terms of elation.
They had this warm sensation.
They, you know, I mean, it was incredible to them.
You know, all of a sudden it became a reality instead of speculation.
We're seeing now in the thousands of reports that we get at MUFON, and we get them from all various sources.
But, you know, one of the problems, Art, is this, and it's part of the reason why I got really involved in MUFON, is investigations in the paranormal and ufology have always been in the past tense.
The crafts change, what they see changes, the technology changes, but it seems like our technology is always behind time.
And so we're always backward looking.
You know, we see all of these things, you know, and we observe them and record them and we analyze them and then we see the coloration changes and we see the effects on people.
But, you know, as those transitions happen, the real time is their technology is always ahead.
It always just seems to be ahead.
We're looking at ways to try and find new ways to approach the investigation, the analyzation, the sciences of it, so that we can be more forward-thinking the parallel.
Because you hit it on the head.
When you're behind the curve, you're defenseless.
And there's nothing to believe that they're totally benevolent.
Well, there's a pretty good basic question of the thousands of reports of all this that MUFON has processed.
If you were to guess, what percentage of the people regarded what happened to them as a warm and fuzzy situation that made them feel wonderful and great, as opposed to those who weren't so happy with what happened to them?
Well, there are a number of people who have written books that suggest this phenomena is real, but it's not warm and fuzzy little creatures at all, and that we all need to be very wary of what we're dealing with here, that it may not be something with our best interests in mind,
and as you pointed out, with what's been done to cows and some people, and, you know, this whole thing, it just doesn't necessarily seem friendly.
It doesn't seem overtly hostile, because after all, and I agree with the people who say with that technology, they could vaporize us.
Well, right.
Probably they could.
So they haven't done that yet, so not overtly hostile, but not real friendly either.
And we're going to take some calls as well for George A. Zeilot, who's in a position to know, in a position to know, Deputy International Director and Field Investigator of MUFON, the world's largest civilian UFO research organization.
And I know a lot of you out there have questions, some of them which George no doubt cannot answer, some of them which nobody we know can answer or will answer.
I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AF Works.
Okay, in a moment, we're going to open the lines for you to speak with George A. Zeiland, Deputy International Director and Field Investigator for MUFON.
An unusual opportunity coming up next.
All right, tomorrow night, John A. Keele is here.
It's all about the Mothman prophecies.
There's a big movie coming out with Richard Gere and company about the Mothman prophecies.
And the man to talk about this is certainly John A. Keel.
He'll be here tomorrow night.
It'll be interesting because that's one subject I know very, very little about.
I've heard about it all my life, but I really have no idea what the Mothman prophecies are all about.
And I heard George talking about strange things occurring with birds, and I also heard you have a program one night about strange things happening with birds in Tennessee.
The reporter seemed to say, I was so startled by it that it just blew me away.
The reporter seemed to say that they had caused so much electricity with themselves somehow from being frantic or misguided or disorientated that they electrocuted themselves.
And UFOs have been long reputed to disrupt electromagnetic fields and, as you pointed out earlier, stop cars and do all kinds of weird things that might involve certainly electromagnetism of some sort.
So birds acting strangely and out of character around UFOs might not be a big surprise, George?
Well, in the case he mentioned of the radio station in Tennessee, I interviewed the manager of that station.
And they end up, by the way, moving the radio station.
Some really odd things happened.
And there were electromagnetic pulses that destroyed the phone equipment, almost all the electronic equipment of the station, and some adjacent businesses.
Birds were actually brought out of mid-air, George, which were burned to a crisp.
I mean, we had pictures of birds with their wings mostly burned off that just virtually fell out of the clear sky when this pulse hit.
And that's what he was talking about.
So birds, very interesting.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with George Zeiler.
George, is there anything in Move On Records that would not one that rings a bell, but that was my question I was going to ask him if they saw any follow-up military aircraft or anything like that?
Because generally my experience with something like that is those areas get sealed off very quickly and there's no access to them.
And over the course of our interview, we called the Hayes County Sheriff's Department to get transcripts of the reports of the UFO because I discovered that the night I made my report, there were several other reports made.
Now, when we called the Hayes County Sheriff's Department and asked for transcripts, I was put on hold for about seven minutes or eight minutes, and the guy came back on and said, we have no reports of any UFOs on that night or any other night.
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All the reports had just mysteriously disappeared.
Well, a former congressman from New Mexico went back and tried to find all the reports you may remember on what occurred at Roswell and found to his dismay that they had all been destroyed.
In fact, in the case of Stan Romanek, here the case we've been talking about tonight, one of the things in the video that was very obvious was that there was a police car running code, code meaning red lights and siren.
Right.
There was an obvious fire truck running with red lights and siren.
You could hear the difference in the sirens.
And then there was also an ambulance that ran.
Now, I personally contacted every police agency in the Denver metropolitan area in that area, and none of them had any reports, not only of the UFO, but they didn't have any reports of anybody running on an emergency run on an hour and a half time frame.
it's interesting because one of the things that I have set up is I'm going to have the opportunity to speak with the chief of police in the particular city where this took place and I'm going to let him listen to the video and then explain what it is.
But you know, Buckley Air Force Base is also in Denver and that is the satellite input feed place for Cheyenne Mountain and they have all the radars and everything now.
Stan's UFO was obviously very low at the beginning but it went up into the cloud cover at 17,000 feet.
You know, the phenomena of why do they have to do that?
You know, the energy that's lost of talented people like John Mack and all of our consultants could be working towards solving the problem and working together in concert with our government rather than trying to discover what they know.
I mean, if there are 13 reports made, I guess it's irresistible.
Without boring my audience to death with my sighting, I had a very close encounter sighting along with my wife.
We contacted Nellis Air Force Base, not we, but the newspaper, because it was seen by many other people here in the area where I live, George.
I contacted Nellis.
And Nellis' response was, yes, there was a secret mission, quoting them, that may have overflown the Prump Valley on the night and time in question.
However, the aircraft was a C-130.
Now, that was an insulting, insulting response, in my opinion, to the reports of this silent triangle that flew over everybody here.
It was a C-130.
Well, I flew in the Air Force as well, in C-130s, in fact, and I can tell you, that's an insult.
So, you know, whatever agency it is, and there are many, from the police all the way, although the police, some of them are getting better, to official government agencies, they simply are in total denial mode, sometimes to the ludicrous point, to the point where it's funny, and it is funny.
You know, kind of like the, if you remember the Air Force news conference trying to explain away Roswell.
Again, Buckley called the police department because they had a radar sighting of something hovering over the southwest end of their Installation and they requested the police department to go out and see if they could see it, which they couldn't because of the light clutter.
But on the instructions that they gave to the police department, they indicated that if anybody calls from the media or from civilians wondering what that is, just tell them that it's a supernova.
My first dealings with the ETs was about 58 years ago.
So I've had a leg up on some of this stuff probably about the time you fellas were born.
And my first sighting was in 1947.
But I've made quite a study of the cattle mutilations.
And I've been in contact with one of the old military fellas that's been deeply involved with all of even picking up some crises that's been on your program.
I don't know whether I should mention his name or not.
I have had a lady here that's been involved in abductions more than once back in the 70s, 75 and 79.
But we've had ships coming in quite regularly in around close to their house up here in the foothills of close to Pendleton.
And I have that noted in the book that I recently put out.
And also there's been sightings since.
And other people have also cited them on the same evening to know that it's not a hoax.
But the one thing that I'm investigating now is I find all of these people in this family have a lot of health problems.
The missus had two different cancer surgeries.
And the father of girl had his Patriot Sputnik shutdown on him, and he isn't even 60 yet.
And the girl's about 30, and she's had two major surgeries in her throat for cis and is suffering greatly now from many different, well, her immune system is just zero, I would say, and she's only about 30.
And when she came into my book signing in September, I got a little video, but she didn't even want to talk about it.
She's got some very, very bad hang-ups with the whole thing.
She's had two surgeries in her throat up in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, a little over a year ago, and now she's under treatment.
And I'm trying to help her with herbs and such that should help.
But, you know, with young people, a lot of times they don't cooperate to take care of themselves.
But I did check with the museum in Roswell, which I've kept close contact with, and they said that they found quite a few people that have been abducted more than once that have health problems.
And Tim, I would encourage you to contact me through my email site.
You know, one of the things that happens is people have different effects.
I mean, some people have had messages sent to them.
Some people have come on and been given technology.
In fact, when you had Stanton Friedman on, we had an individual call from Amarillo, Texas, who we've lost track of, a man named Al from Amarillo, Texas.
And we've been trying to get in touch with him.
But he was given an extraordinary amount of technical data.
There was a Lutheran pastor down in Texas that had the same thing.
No technical background at all.
And all of a sudden they're giving this physics equations, so to speak, on technical equipment.
But then again, the manifestation of medical problems is real common.
A lot of them end up with a lot of fear and hate toward the abductors.
And, you know, I think it's one of the problems within the ufology community.
And, you know, we talked about earlier, Art, that, you know, we need to be more future-thinking instead of this constant regressive investigation process where we're constantly looking into the past.
I think David Jacobs, in fact, he's going to be one of our feature speakers at this year's symposium, which is going to be held in Rochester in New York in July.
Well, I don't think that any single person is right.
That's my personal opinion.
I think what's happened is the individual nature of ufologists has always been criticism from their peers.
Rather than taking a collective investigative approach, like if you had a serial killer, you have a task force of multi-agencies get together in a think tank and use those kinds of tools to solve those.
Well, there's something I want to ask you about, George.
Since you're at the top of the heap and move on, what I have observed in ufology and for that matter, other paranormal matters, big controversies concerning the 12th planet, the 10th planet, Niburo, the whole thing.
People accuse each other of stealing each other's information.
There's horrendous amounts of infighting that goes on, jealousy, anger.
People who get into these terrible fights with each other within ufology.
Now, ufology is hard enough to talk about under any circumstance because, you know, people are naturally skeptical, of course.
But when all this infighting goes on, this horrible infighting, it's my information.
I discovered it.
It just drives me absolutely crazy because it takes a weak case and hurts it, to be honest with you.
What are your comments on all this infighting that's going on?
I try to bring those sides together through reason, because our only chance at solving and really understanding the phenomena is to enjoy forces and to move in a common direction.
It may be part of some sort of disinformation campaign.
It wouldn't take very much because people are human and they have egos, I suppose, and all you have to do is put a pin in the right place and an ego and it just goes nuts.
Even some of the very best people that I've dealt with who are really, really good people have fallen into the trap of getting into these gigantic fights with other people in the field.
And I understand how they fall into it, and I understand how it happens.
But I also understand that it has to be stopped somehow, or a very difficult case is going to be impossible to prove.
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All right, let's continue first time caller line you're on the air with george zeiler hi hi my name is kevin and i'm here at fort phantom in abilene texas on klif yes sir um i'm a i was a combat engineer from 1979 to 1982 and i'm a recent graduate of abilene christian university i've i've had a mri before and i've witnessed many ufos and even an abduction from about a thousand meters away recently i just saw those 15
supposed the Russian space thing that fell into the sky above Abilene and you got a call in all the way up to Omaha, Nebraska.
And I witnessed lights on the craft, not like something that was burning up.
Now through my studies, after my curiosity, I would like to know, have you heard of the Book of Death and the Necronomicon?
And I would like to know if you've noticed that the gate symbols that are supposedly to open up the abyss, to let the serpent out of the abyss that Revelations refers to.
But there, George, is an example of a religious view.
And that's what I was talking about a little bit earlier.
There is a substantial portion of the population, and that man represents it just quite well, that believes that these are open gates and that evil entities are coming through them.
And it's not something that you can reject.
It's really not.
It's as open a possibility, certainly, as little beings coming from other planets or people jumping through dimensional portals or whatever.
I mean, something real is going on, but you can't rule that one out either, right?
you at aol.com right that's correct okay you know he's really right that one of the things that that we've seen is the crop circles and ancient geometry there's some symmetry to that and you have to be open to viewpoints of everybody to really find the solution you know I don't think any of us have all the answers and
and we're open to taking information from everywhere okay Wildcard line you're on the air with George A. Zeiler hi hello Art yes sir okay I've got a I've got a quick comment to put on before my question what seems funny to me is that they're not wanting to be covert if they were they would be going to areas where humans are secluded from the rest of our global civilization so why wouldn't they be picking
to areas where they're obviously going to be in the open to study us, maybe as we study our closest cousins, so to speak, like we study the monkeys.
But going on to my question, talking before when you guys mentioned about the government being defenseless against this.
But, you know, the historical aspect is that we've seen in petroglyphs, in howardlyphs, through generations.
You know, seven or eight, nine thousand years where there are symbols representing UFOs and the symbols being there in art.
So if you were going to study the monkeys and you wanted to see them in their own environment, like you said, Arch, you would go live with them, or you would go to where they are.
Getting on to the point of the government being defenseless, I was wondering if your guest, or maybe any of the callers had ever heard of any military operation where a military vehicle, such as a guided missile or something, that either proceeding or following the loss of control of such a vehicle, there was a UFO or some sort of aerial anomaly there.
had taken place before this vehicle left the control of its human controllers George?
I'm sure that what the collar is referring to is the Vandenberg missile test, which is a pretty famous sighting where they launched the test missile and actually they filmed the UFO actually going around the outside of the propulsion and then they lost control of it and it detonated out over the ocean.
No, I was more referring to having heard all the stories about, you know, if just before a UFO sighting or something, a vehicle loses power, something goes dead, things go haywire.
But more of if there was any instances known to where a vehicle left control of the original controllers, like the U.S. government or somebody, and not really went out of control, but was definitely controlled by a separate force.
Are you aware of the reports of the Russian ICBM sites that had actually begun to activate with ICBM sites that were activated by discs hovering above them?
An investigator and deputy international director for MUFON, George A. Zeiler, is my guest, and we'll get right back to him.
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But that's not, you know, that's not much different than saying, well, it is the Air Force doing these things, yet they send up fighter jets to chase them.
And yet you never hear about that.
That's right.
So the sightings by the pilots, there's always a swamp gas or, you know, they just happen to see Aurora Borealis.
You know, these are experienced people, but yet they discount the individual to eliminate the incident.
About a week or two, I asked somebody about swamp gas, and actually, I've never heard anybody report swamp gas.
I've heard it given as an explanation to explain almost everything, but I've never really heard a report of swamp gas.
I'm not even exactly sure what swamp gas is.
I guess it's something that hovers over a swamp theoretically, but I've never really heard much talk of swamp gas per se, always just to explain something that doesn't seem at all like swamp gas.
Well, there are many, many reports, are there not, George, of things that are somewhere in between a UFO and a cloud, or UFOs in clouds, or UFOs that morph from clouds and all kinds of combinations with clouds, all right?
And when I first heard you, Art, describe what you have seen in your area, it just floored me because, I mean, my heart started pounding because it's been four years I've been living with this.
And as I was walking out from my vehicle, I had turned, I was putting the key in there, and I looked over the top of the facility itself, and I saw the object moving slowly over the top of the facility, triangular shaped, very large, quiet.
Did not make any sound, and it was moving slowly over the top.
So I didn't say anything that evening, but the next day I went in and I talked to our security team because I work at a high-tech facility and we have lots of surveillance equipment.
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They told me that the surveillance equipment was not working that night.
Okay?
And that's the only answer I got.
I didn't tell them I saw anything, and I stayed quiet about the whole thing, a matter of fact, until this now.
It was moving from, I'd say, Pendleton towards Area 51, to be honest with you.
All right, let's ask George.
George, my wife and I both saw a triangular object.
It came about 150 feet over our heads.
It was gigantic, about 11 o'clock at night, totally silent, maybe 30 miles an hour.
As I say, triangular, solid, not like a balloon, which some people have suggested at all, but very solid, and just totally black.
But there was almost a full moon, and stars were bright, and it was quiet out here, and it just floated above our heads and floated on out toward Area 51.
And this caller is relating something just like that.
I was just looking through the stack of reports that I had laid out, which over the last couple, three weeks, and there's probably 10 or 12 from around the world, not just in the United States.
I mean this phenomenon is not just in the United States.
I mean it's all over the world.
That were just triangles.
Now just as an aside to that art, if you take a disc and turn it sideways to you like a dime, if you turn the dime on its side, it's flat and you only see the side of it.
So the optical illusion of what we see isn't always necessarily the external structure of the craft itself.
It may be the side that you're seeing.
Of course.
In Estes Park, Colorado, and ironic enough, it was September, and that's one of the things we're looking at is the timing of when they show up in relation to astronomical position.
The one that my wife and I saw, as I say, was about 150 feet above us.
I'm going to look at it.
We saw this, George, because my wife was able to somehow sense the movement over her shoulder, and so we caught it before it even passed over us, stopped the car, got out, and watched it as it approached, moved directly over us, and then we stood and watched it float out over the Prompt Valley toward Area 51.
And I say float, not fly, because at 30 miles an hour there's no aerodynamic flight going on, and there's no sound going on.
You could hear crickets quarter mile away.
This thing was defying gravity, and it was not a balloon.
If somebody were to tomorrow get in front of, hold a news conference and say, I killed President Kennedy, nobody would even notice.
There have been so many theories about who killed Kennedy and the whole cover-up and all the rest of it that if the truth were to suddenly come out in a news conference tomorrow, nobody would even know it.
It would just be piled on with the rest of the, I don't know, 10 tons of information about that assassination and all the theories behind it.
Now, if we were to suddenly hear the absolute truth about UFOs, how would we know it?
George, I've had hundreds, if not thousands, of pictures on my website over the years of UFOs.
And I found, and no doubt, you know, a high percentage of them may be fake, but a lot of them I think are not.
And I find that when I have a picture that's slightly blurry, people say, aha ha ha, a blurry picture, another blurry picture of a UFO.
If I have a very clear photograph, they complain it's too clear.
You know, and that's what we all hope for, and that's what we work for.
It's the ultimate question art, and it's people like yourself and the thousands of volunteers in Lufon and other organizations that are working toward that and the education of the public, the counter-PSYOPS, if you will.
I think I kind of like your theory of slow-release medicine, that we are slowly being prepared for the truth, and then when it finally arrives, we'll all go, well, gee, what a surprise with a yawn.
Wildcardline, you're on the air with George A. Zeiler.
So, George, if you should come upon breaking information, if a flap should suddenly occur, would you be willing to contact my network because I can get you on the air El Pronto?