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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Clinically Dead Line - Open Lines

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unidentified		Welcome to Arkbell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, good evening, good afternoon, good morning, wherever you may be across all 24 times unobserved by this program around the world.
unidentified		In other words, how you doing?
unidentified		It's Monday night, Saturday morning, a bit of a holiday weekend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going into open minds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a weekend's been.
unidentified		So many things to talk to you about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First, however, the warnings.
		According to the president, Obama bin Laden may have slithered out.
		His words slithered out of Afghanistan, but will not escape the global reach of U.S. forces.
		And the President pronounced 2001 a success for America's war on terrorism and for the Republican domestic agenda.
		Tribal leaders streamed into the Afghan capital on Friday for the inauguration of an interim government that they hope is going to bring lasting peace.
		They should not use a term like lasting peace, in my opinion.
		They use that in the Middle East all the time.
		Look at that.
		Anyway, hope will bring lasting peace to a nation torn apart by war for decades now.
		The 30-member government taking office Saturday will face, of course, the staggering challenge of rebuilding a nation who, well, when you look at pictures of Afghanistan, actually even prior to the U.S. bombing, it looked like it had already been bombed, and of course it had.
		But we tossed around a lot of rubble, that's for sure.
		The Pentagon said U.S. warplanes Friday attacked a convoy carrying Taliban or al-Qaeda leaders in Afghanistan.
		Now, the Afghans don't say it that way.
		They say the trucks were bringing tribal leaders loyal to the new government to the capital.
		So in other words, they're saying we bombed some members of the new government.
		Not the al-Qaeda or any of their fighters.
		We'll have to see how that one turns out.
		Anti-terrorist police boarded a cargo ship in the English Channel Friday after being tipped off.
		That vessel might be carrying explosives or even anthrax.
		Ayayay.
		The search continues, but no terror-related stuff found yet.
		Near Argentina, where they've been going tipsy all over the place, a caretaker president assumed office on Friday after some days now of rioting and civil disobedience, toppled the old government.
		So wonder if the new boss will be any different than the old boss.
		All right, well, that's the war news.
		Now, for tonight, we're going to do a couple of things based on, well, I guess first, I want to read you an email that I've received from a homicide detective whose name, for obvious reasons, I am going to withhold.
		This man is not a believer in the paranormal or anything beyond the world that he sees every day, which, by the way, in the case of a homicide detective is not that positive a world usually.
		Anyway, let me read this to you and see if it hits you the way it hit me, okay?
		Art, I was working the murder of a young woman.
		While at the scene in a vacant lot across the street, I saw a young boy standing there.
		Young boy appeared to be waving me to come over.
		As I approached the figure of the boy, it faded away.
		And when I got about 10 feet away from him, he completely disappeared.
		Well, after finishing the crime scene, I was on my way to the morgue when I passed a large apartment building.
		And on the steps of the building, here's this boy appearing again.
		I stop the car and again approach the boy.
		Again, he vanishes, but this time I got a closer look at the face.
		On the steps and into the building, I observed blood droplets leading into the building.
		I recorded my findings and went on my way.
		The following day, I went to notify the mother of the victim.
		As I was in her living room, I observed the victim in a photo and on her lap, and it was this boy.
		So I asked the mother who the boy was in the photo, and she told me this was her grandson, the child of the murder victim.
		She told me the boy died two years ago.
		He was struck by an automobile.
		To make a long story short, I returned to the vacant lot where the boy was seen, and exactly where he was standing, or I thought he was, I found a bloody knife, the murder weapon.
		The knife had the fingerprints of the murderer on it.
		I went to the place where the blood was found, and yes, where the murderer lived and killed that woman.
		Please explain to me, if you can, what happened that night.
		I never believed in ghosts or anything of that nature.
		Please explain to you what happened that night.
		I uh I can't explain that.
		And that'll cause me to kind of launch into uh what I want to do tonight.
		Again, referring back to the the case of Pam Reynolds.
		You see, I can't get this out of my mind.
		There's no way I can get this out of my mind.
		The woman who had the aneurysm in her brain, all the blood drained from her body, her heart stops, her brain waves stop.
		Any ability to measure any brain activity whatsoever was zero for one hour.
		For one hour.
		Meanwhile, they go in, they clip the aneurysm in her brain, and then they put the blood back in, apply the paddles.
		I'm giving you the short version here, and Pam returns, returns.
		Memory's in great shape.
		You know, she's back in the world.
		Where was Pam?
		She was able to describe exactly what went on in the operating room.
		Now, last night we had Professor Michio Kaku on.
	And I think he did an absolutely stellar job all night long.
	But you know, on this question, and I think I brought it to his attention right at the beginning of the show or near it, I thought it was an unscientific answer that he gave.
	And I should have argued this with him last night, but what he said was, well, Art, it would have to be that Pam's brain, at a level they could not measure, continued to function.
	Some little tiny neuron activity taking place that they could not measure.
	Well, you know, that's not a scientific answer.
	That's a guess.
	That's a guess, and that's fine.
	Dr. Kaku is certainly welcome to guess about what might be the case, you know, in an effort to try and explain this.
	He's a pretty hardcore scientist, and so I understand, you know, the leap to try and explain it, but it is not a scientific answer.
	And I think as scientific answer is demanded, he did go on to say that he certainly would be in favor of some modern research into the nature of death, because we've got studies that, oh, say, are 100 years old that show some pretty spectacular things, people losing weight at the moment of death and all that sort of thing.
	It's not exactly going to be politically correct to try and get somebody who's dying up on a scale.
	You know, it's just you don't do that today.
	They could do it then.
	So I think that tonight we'll do two things, along with just general open lines.
	All right?
	My normally first-time caller line is now going to be restricted to one category of calls.
	Either those who have had an incredible, well, okay, let me define it this way.
	It's restricted to anybody who has actually experienced clinical death.
	Hear me now.
	Clinical death.
	Cessation of heartbeat, cessation of brain waves, dead.
	Now, I would expect, in the case of some we will hear from, they will have nothing to say.
	They were simply revived, and when they were gone, there was nothing but blackness.
	If we are to believe the surveys.
	Or in other cases, if we are to believe these surveys, we're going to hear from people who did, you know, were able to watch those trying to resuscitate them, the efforts going on,
	and all the rest of it, and describe in intimate detail what happened, as well as many of them going to a tunnel, light, you know, whatever it is that everybody says, and the stories are remarkably consistent, by the way, about the tunnel of light and the relatives and all the rest of it.
	It may be that you could argue that socially we have so integrated this story of near-death into society that it is simply people's expectations being fulfilled at the moment of death, with those neurons still going to sputter, sputter, sputter.
	But I don't buy that.
	And then on any other line, only those who have actually experienced clinical death.
unidentified		Actual clinical death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that means somebody was there to actually determine that you had passed away, that you were dead.
		Hold a line open for only that.
		Now I'll screen those calls, so if that's not what you're calling about, do not call that number.
		Actual clinical death.
		Now, on my other lines, you're welcome to call in on any subject at all.
		However, while I am not officially calling this a ghost-to-ghost program, I would welcome ghost stories, and particularly any stories of this sort of phenomena from police officers.
		I found this one just to be staggering to me.
		In terms of telling this detective what happened to him, I wouldn't begin to try.
		It would appear self-evident, wouldn't it, that the young boy, very anxious for his own mother's murder To be solved helped him out.
		I mean, that's exactly what it would appear to be.
		Now, what it was, whether it was not that, I have no way of knowing.
		What I do know is that the evidence for life after death, the life of for consciousness anyway, surviving death appears to be mounting at an exponential rate as far as I am concerned.
		So I thought I would sort of point the program in that direction tonight.
		But again, only for those who have experienced, hear me now, full clinical death.
		Whether you went nowhere and just had blackness and then woke up, or whether you had some sort of experience during that period.
		Either way, the qualifier is that you experienced actual clinical death.
unidentified		The End.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The following, I also hold to be self-evident.
		And as a truth, it is simply self-evident.
		What I'm talking about is it's our women.
		Now, whatever men are meant to understand on the globe, women, they're not in the mix.
		We will more easily understand the nature of death and the other side, in my opinion, than women.
		But the following are just all self-evident.
		When a woman says the following, here's what it really means.
		When she says, fine, this is the word we use at the end of any argument that we feel we are right about, but need to shut you up about.
		Never use fine to describe how a woman looks.
		This will cause you to have one of those arguments.
		So that defines the word fine.
		And then five minutes, five minutes.
		This actually is a half hour.
		It is equivalent to the five minutes that your football game is going to last before you take out the trash.
		So it's an even trade.
unidentified		When she says nothing, this means something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you should be on your toes.
		Nothing is usually used to describe the feeling that a woman has of wanting to turn you inside out, upside down, backwards.
		Nothing usually signifies an argument that will last five minutes and end with a huffy fine.
		Now there's go ahead.
		Go ahead with raised eyebrows.
		This is a dare, one that will result in my getting upset over nothing and will end with the word fine.
		Go ahead.
		Now with normal eyebrows, this means I give up.
		Do what you want because I don't care.
		You will get a raised eyebrow.
		Go ahead in just a few minutes followed by nothing and then fine.
		And she'll talk to you in about five minutes when she cools off.
		Loud sigh.
		This is not actually a word, but it's still often a verbal statement, very misunderstood by all men.
		A loud sigh means she thinks you are an idiot at the moment and wonders why she's wasting her time standing here arguing with you over nothing.
		Soft sigh.
		Again, not a word, but a verbal statement.
		Soft sighs are one of the few things that some men actually understand.
		She is content.
		Your best bet is to not move nor breathe.
		She will stay content.
		Oh!
		This exclamation followed by any statement is trouble.
		Example, oh, let me get that.
		Or, oh, I talked to him about what you were doing last night.
		If she says, oh, before a statement, run, do not walk to the nearest exit.
		She will tell you that she is fine when she is done tossing your clothes out the window, but don't expect her to talk to you for at least two days after that.
		O, as the lead to a sentence, usually signifies that you are caught in a lie.
		Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or you will get raised eyebrows and go ahead, followed by acts so unspeakable that we cannot bring ourselves to write about them.
		That's okay.
		This is one of the most dangerous statements that any woman can say to any man.
		That's okay.
		Means that she wants to think long and hard before paying you retributions for whatever it is that you've done.
		That's okay is often used with the word fine and used in conjunction with a raised eyebrow go ahead.
		At some point in the near future, when she has plotted and planned, you are going to be in big trouble.
		Then there's please do.
		This is not a statement, but it's an offer.
		A young woman is giving you the chance to come up with whatever excuse or reason you have for doing whatever it is you've done.
		You have a fair chance to tell the truth, so be careful that you shouldn't get it.
		That's okay.
		That's please do.
		Thanks.
		A woman is indeed thanking you.
		Do not faint.
		Just say you are welcome.
unidentified		And then thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is much different from thanks.
		A woman will say thanks a lot when she's really ticked off at you.
		It signifies that you have hurt her in some callous way and will be followed perhaps by a loud sigh.
		Be careful not to ask what's wrong after the loud sigh.
unidentified		Walk like an angel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But be careful, guys.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
		For if you are never in disguise, you fool me with your kisses.
		You cheated and you screamed.
		Heaven knows how you lie to me.
		You lied the way you seem.
		You look like an angel, walk like an angel, talk like an angel.
		But I got wise.
		The End
		Some bell good morning when I drink.
		I'm gonna open up your gate and maybe tell you about the drug and how she gave me love and how she made it.
		So they'll be good on it.
		Drive and fly and die for dear Learn from us very much Look at us but do not touch Pedro is my name Some velvet morning
		when I'm straight I'm I'm about your gate and maybe tell you about Pharaoh and how she gave me life and how she made me.
		You're listening to Arch Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
		Oh, this song.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Guess what, folks?
		Today, I got a message from Nancy Sinatra's manager.
		And she'd like to come on the program to talk about pop culture of the 60s and the lasting impact of that culture.
		And of course, this was part of that, you know.
		It's such a spine-tingling, back-of-the-hair, stand-in-straight-up kind of song.
unidentified		It's just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why, I don't know.
unidentified		It's just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was very nice to hear from her manager and from Nancy Sinatra.
		They're glad we're playing the song.
		And I did torture you with that, I know, a bit earlier.
		There are a couple of other songs she did that are equally eerie that came from the same rough time era.
		All right, listen to me.
		Once again, I'm stressing to you, my first-time caller line is restricted to only those who have experienced clinical death and would like to tell us about it.
		Whatever it is that happened, not necessarily those who had the old white light tunnel experience or even the pitchfork guy or whatever, you know, whatever happened, anybody out there at all who has experienced clinical death.
		That's for that line only.
		Then all other lines, I would encourage anybody with a good ghost story to tell it or open line, so whatever you would like to talk about.
		That's exactly what lies ahead.
		Just had a fellow call on the clinical death line who said he mainlined LSD.
		I said, sir, clinical death.
		And he just seemed, I guess he didn't understand.
		I didn't mean loose version of brain death.
		Clinical death only, folks.
		That's what I want.
		However it went for you, however it went, whether you had a classic experience or no experience at all, I think I'd like to hear about it.
		But only those who have actually experienced clinical death, he says yet one last time.
		Area code 775-727-1222.
		And on my clinical death line, you're on the map.
unidentified		Yes, me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You indeed.
unidentified		Oh, hello.
unidentified		I was listening to a tape to make you more psychic back in 1983.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it was all you heard of his waves.
		But that fall I was walking on my farm.
		I was living in Arkansas at the time.
		I'm from Connecticut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I got a flash of my birth.
		I was at the ceiling looking down.
		There was a fat nurse holding me.
		The doctor was just throwing gloves off of his hands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		I need to understand.
		Is this actually something that?
unidentified		Yes, I confirmed it with my mother that Christmas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is not a dream.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
unidentified		My mother freaked out, and I said, was I born dead, mom?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was I born dead?
unidentified		I was born dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were born dead?
unidentified		they use oxygen i mean um...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A near-death or a death experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At birth.
unidentified		I didn't see any tunnel.
unidentified		I was at the ceiling looking down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You remember this?
unidentified		I could see myself in my own bilgo cord the whole bit.
		You're kidding.
		I didn't like the doctor.
		I knew he was a social climber.
		I'm serious.
		And he played golf.
		I knew that, and I knew I didn't like him at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a lot to understand for a dead baby.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just, yeah, you know, I'm kidding with you a little bit.
		I mean, that is incredible that I've never talked to anybody who had died at birth or was more likely born dead.
		Do you have any idea what condition it was that caused?
unidentified		it's very odd?
		My mother was torn up having her first baby.
		She had a twin stolen.
		We believe it's another, that's a whole other show.
		But there was a lot of scar tissue, and when I was coming through the birth canal two and a half years later, I couldn't fit, and they had to use ether on my mom at the last minute back at the Stanford Hospital.
		And I died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for some reason, the doctor gave up on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gave up on you?
unidentified		And this big fat nurse, I know, she was Irish.
unidentified		I know because my mom had an Irish surname at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		If she wouldn't give up or what, but she didn't give up on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, may I ask, you know, this is so unique.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your memories of this, are they like memories of other things early in your life?
unidentified		I have pretty good recollection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
		You know what I mean?
		Do they come to you the same way or are they imprinted in some more vivid way?
		I mean, it's amazing that you could remember this as an adult.
unidentified		I have a real high IQ, although I had damage from being born, so I was a bad student.
		But I have pretty good recollection from about nine months on.
		My cousins are like that.
		My sisters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely an amazing story, sir.
		I appreciate it.
		Thank you.
		That's a first for me.
		Wow.
		Being born dead.
		And recollecting the whole thing.
		Try and figure what that one means.
		You know, there are many arguments about when the soul is inculcated in the fetus.
		You know, many religious will argue at the instant of conception.
		Other less reverent people will say when a guy says, how you doing, babe, that's conception.
		However, many believe that after the first trimester, there's some sort of entering of a soul.
		But there's a man who was born dead and yet recalls the details of the Oh, that's an amazing story.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is George from Queens, listening to you on WABC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		WABC 77, yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I have one item on Pam Reynolds and one on the Phaedra.
		Okay.
		On Pam Reynolds, that was one of the best shows you've had in recent memory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Profound, yes.
unidentified		Very good.
unidentified		And I have an observation or a question that maybe you want to put to people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		If her routine of being packed in ice and drained the blood becomes more routine, and doctors can identify people as being good candidates for this procedure, assuming that you only have an aneurysm of any sort that she had, would people be willing to undergo this type of procedure to try to cross over to the other side?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about a variation of flatliners, and the answer is not only no, but hell no.
		Doctors wouldn't do it.
		People wouldn't risk it because, of course, you might not come back, but doctors wouldn't do it because, well, heck, they can get sued just for looking at somebody cross-eyed.
unidentified		I'm assuming if the procedure became more reliable and that they can identify the candidates as being good candidates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, let me submit to you that there's nothing at all reliable about bringing back somebody who's been dead.
		You know, whether it's just you drop dead on the floor from a heart attack or whatever it is, resuscitation is dicey and happens not as frequently as you think.
		And even on the operating table, I don't think they're ever going to get that procedure to the point where they can say with 100% certainty, you're coming back.
		I mean, you've got to imagine when you get on an operating table, even as advanced as it might be, it could be goodbye time.
unidentified		I understand that.
		There's always risk with any operation you undergo.
		But I was thinking in the future, maybe 10 years from now, perhaps, where they have more assurance or understanding of how to control every part of it.
		All right, let's move on to the other subject I'd like to talk about, that being Phaedra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Phaedra.
unidentified		I had a chance to do a little research on that, and indeed she is a character from Greek mythology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Map figures.
unidentified		And it turns out that she was a stepmother of a god Hippolytus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't she end up hanging herself?
unidentified		Yes, she had unrequited love respect to Hippolytus, and she accused him of rape, and then she hung herself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I believe that is absolutely accurate.
		The name Phaedra is just eerie.
		It's kind of eerie.
		I had a very interesting experience earlier today.
		I was doing a little bit of, I'll open the phone lines for a while on KNYE 95.1 KNYE here in Perome.
		And a young lady named Phaedra called me.
		I thought that was amazing.
		Phaedra called me.
		And she had been named Phaedra back in the late 60s by her mom who had been influenced by that song.
		And I thought that was quite remarkable.
		I have never known anybody actually named Phaedra, but here in Perump we have one.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on the air, sir.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what's up?
unidentified		This is Roy in St. Joseph, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Roy.
unidentified		I'd like to tell you a story that happened to me about this is not exactly a ghost story.
		It's possibly more of a guardian angel story.
		That's fine.
		When I was young, I lived in El Paso, Texas, and my street had a four-way stoplight down at the corner.
		And at that four-way stoplight was a road that went up a hill to a rock quarry.
		And at that rock quarry, very large trucks weighing several tons used to be full of gravel coming down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And so I was about 16 years old, and I had been driving for a little while, but not too long.
		And one afternoon, I was at the stoplight.
		The light was red.
		And the light changed to green, and I stepped on the accelerator, went to step on the accelerator, and I felt a hand come out from underneath my seat and grab my ankle and stop me.
		I mean, it was so strong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean it stopped your foot from going?
unidentified		It stopped my foot from hitting that accelerator.
		And you know what?
		Two seconds later, a large gravel truck full, I mean, weighing tons, whose brakes had gone out, went right through that red light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good Lord.
unidentified		And, you know, I'm telling you, I mean, I'm 16 years old.
		I never thought much about spiritual things or anything like that.
		You know, didn't necessarily believe in anything, ghosts or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you now?
unidentified		Well, I'm 59 right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		59.
unidentified		This is a long time ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when you think back to that, is it clear?
unidentified		It's very clear.
		It's very clear that this was a protection.
		It was a materialization of a spirit.
		It was so strong that I immediately put the car and parked, and I expected to see someone in the back seat with their hands reaching underneath the driver's seat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, wow, wow.
unidentified		It was that strong.
		And I tell you what, I believe that was a guardian of destiny for my life.
		And I have no problem believing in the materialization of spirits, believe me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Must be you're here for some special reason.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		You think I should find out what it is before I die?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we'll all try to work on that one.
		All right, my friend.
		Thank you.
		Oh, that's an incredible story.
		Oh, that's an incredible story.
		You know, now that I think back on it, and I know there'll be a million 16-year-olds who will hate my guts for this, but I'm not so sure 16-year-olds ought to be able to drive.
		I remember when I was 16, and I just, I don't know for the life of me how insurance companies, even at the rates they charge, can insure 16-year-olds.
		I mean, there's no absolute in this world, of course, but as a general rule, 16-year-olds, I don't know, they just, you know, when you give them that license, you're counting down the seconds until the first car wreck.
		And there's going to be a first car wreck.
		Almost inevitably, there's going to be a car wreck, usually not life-threatening, but generally pretty metal-twisting.
		And it's just going to happen.
		That's all there is to it.
		They don't think to look both ways.
		There is some maturity that, of course, maybe everybody just has to go through that to eventually get to be a good driver.
		I don't know.
		I just know that I remember myself at 16, and I just, if I was an insurance company, I'd say, hey, forget it.
		We'll insure the older ones.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		First of all, I actually just wanted to see if there was anybody out there who actually has done what they did in the movie Flatliners, even though it's illegal and hospitals probably don't do it and stuff.
		And second of all, I wanted to know if you ever read this book, Many Masters, Many Lives, by Dr. Brian Weiss?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm certainly familiar with it, and I've interviewed Dr. Weiss.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		So I just thought that was an interesting book that talked about the different planes and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, let's boil this down to a simple question for you.
		If you had a doctor that you trusted and a group of nurses, maybe even several doctors, and they were offering you the opportunity to experience clinical death, here you are.
		What's your name?
		Ben.
		Right, Ben.
		Just lie on this gurney, and what we're going to do is we're going to hit you with the paddles.
		First, we're going to relax you a little bit with some sort of sedative, and then we're a light sedative, I might add.
		Then we're going to hit you with the paddles, and we're going to stop your heart, Ben.
		And you are going to try and record your experiences, and then after about 30 or 40 seconds, we're going to hit you with the paddles again and try to bring you back, Ben.
		Are you ready?
unidentified		Yeah, I think I would do it.
		I know there's risk and everything.
		you are i think it would change my life if i experience something and for the rest of my life i would probably live I know.
		Yeah, that's true.
		And I'd probably, I mean, that'd be a really tough decision to make.
		But I can't say that I would say no.
		Even though, I mean, there is a possibility that I would say yes, even though there's a chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no way I'd do that.
		Thanks, Ben.
		No way.
		I wouldn't do it.
		No, it's not worth the risk.
		Now, you could talk to a paramedic.
		It might be, as in flatliners, that a healthy person to begin with would have an obviously better chance of resuscitation under those conditions.
		Still, though, you'd have to talk to a paramedic or a doctor about what your actual odds would be.
		And my sense is once you heard them, you probably wouldn't proceed.
		And then just in case, there is an other side, right?
		I don't think it would be good to stroll up to the Pearlies and have to explain that you're there because of an experiment you decided to try.
		Probably not a good idea.
		And what manner of tragic death did you, sir or madame, experience?
		Well, I just wanted to see what death was like.
		Think you're going to get through the door on that one?
		Probably not.
		On my clinical death line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Mike from Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Mike.
unidentified		And you had...
unidentified		I flatlined as far as brainwave, respiration, and the cardiac.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened to you?
unidentified		I had a very bad case of meningococcal meningitis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's bad, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were gone for how long?
unidentified		Just a couple of seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A couple of seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And do you have any recollection of what happened to you during that couple of seconds?
unidentified		Yes, I'll be very brief.
		I had a hallucination that I was driving down a long stretch of Highway 80 between Arlington and Fort Worth, Texas, and that there were like street lights, but it wasn't like going through a tunnel of lights.
		And then all of a sudden I got to an area where I should have been familiar and I was totally unfamiliar with where I was.
		And there was a bright flash of light.
		And all of a sudden, I became aware that I was standing in the corner of the intensive care room of the hospital that I was in, looking at myself laying in the bed.
		And I looked at myself and I thought, you don't look dead.
		I had been told I probably was not going to live through the night and I was trying to stay awake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can see why you would.
		Listen, I'm sorry to have to cut you short, but there you are, looking at himself.
		That story again and again.
unidentified		You're listening to Arch Bells Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
		Logical, and on the bird in between, they've been thinking so happily.
		Oh, joyfully, oh, faithfully, watching me.
		But then they send me away, teach me how to be and go.
		Logical, oh, beyond the dough, happy gold.
		But then they show me a world, and the feel so deep and dull.
		Oh, cleaning up, oh, we can let you know.
		Clinical Paradise, but all the world will be overwhelming.
		Thank you.
		Don't bother out for explanation.
		I should have done you that you came In the air of the camp I should have done you that you came She doesn't give you time for the judge as she locks up your arm and holds.
		And you follow to your bed from which direction completely disappears.
		Mother boots of all never market thoughts of the hint that she leads you to.
		These days I feel my life.
		Just like a river running through The year of the camp The year of the
		camp Thank you.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired December 21st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the beginning of this song, they sing about countries where they turn back time.
		I've been to the Greek Islands.
		When you go to the Greek islands, it's kind of like they turn back time.
		When you walk off the ship and you walk onto one of these islands, it's just like the clock went back.
		It's like you went back a hundred years.
		It's absolutely amazing.
		It is, in fact, like times turned back.
		Music Anyway, listen, remember, my first-time caller line is only for those who have actually experienced clinical death.
		I don't know why I'm on this kick, more of it a little kick, huh?
		But it's interesting.
		The whole area is now not just interesting, but almost an absolute fascination.
		But by the way, would I flatline voluntarily to find out?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I wouldn't.
		but those of you who have been there involuntarily well i'm sure you've got a story to tell All right, back into the night we go.
		And on my clinical death line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what's your first name?
unidentified		My first name is Maury.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maury, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Maury?
unidentified		I'm in Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Montana, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened to you?
unidentified		Is this Art Bell?
		Well, sure.
		I'm just so thrilled.
		Oh, thank you.
		Well, I had a pulmonary embolism.
		Oh, and blood clot went to my heart and lung.
		Of course, I didn't know it then, but I was clinically dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's usually fatal, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An embolism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so your heart stopped.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		It stopped.
		I was dead.
		And I was up.
		What I remember was I was in ER.
		I wasn't when it happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did this happen?
unidentified		Oh, I had gone to the hospital because I wasn't feeling well.
unidentified		They did a test, running some blood and things, and found out that my blood was too thick, so they put me in medical and they were putting administering stuff into my veins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		Probably blood thinners, the biggest of which is coumadin.
		It's really something.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they give you blood thinners, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I couldn't breathe, and I remember saying to mine going to die.
		And the next thing, I woke up in ER after dying, and I was...
		No, just my records.
		They say clinical dead.
		Clinical dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clinically dead, yeah.
unidentified		And what I remember was I was up on the ceiling in the ER room looking down at the doctor who was above me working on me.
		And there was two nurses at the foot of my bed.
		And one of them took her stethoscope and she put it on my foot or on my feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And she said, I'm afraid, doctor, we've lost her.
		And I said, oh, no, you haven't.
		I'm not done yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really saw all of this in this much detail.
unidentified		Yes, and I slipped back into my body.
unidentified		And when I opened my eyes, the doctor was just taking this big needle out of my heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		yeah and so you remember the nursing i i i i'm afraid we've lost her and you said i You went back into your body.
		Yeah.
		As he pulled a needle from your heart.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's some timing, ma'am.
unidentified		I'll tell you, it sure changed my life.
unidentified		I think that you just learn what to really value.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old were you at that point?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long ago was this?
unidentified		Oh, this was 1987.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		87.
		Well, let's see.
		This is soon 2002, huh?
		So you've done pretty well.
		You're still here.
unidentified		I'm still here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the story.
unidentified		Oh, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		How do you account for that?
		How do you account for that?
		Do you suppose some people are allowed to make their own decision?
		In other words, as you hover above your body, seeing what that lady saw, do you think that if she had said, okay, then I'm out of here, she would have just gone on.
		They put a tag on her toe, you know, she'd been on the way to the morgue.
		Or did she make her own decision to come back?
		This really is a kind of a morbid fascination, but it's one of the great ways we're going to approach the truth about life after death.
		It's one of the closest ways I can think of to try and nail it down.
		And boy, I'll tell you, we're getting close to nailing this thing down.
		Fascinating.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hi.
		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's an honor to talk with you, and I've waited many long time to talk with you there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I'm glad to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, and what is your first name?
unidentified		My name's Tony, and I'm calling from Eastern North America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eastern North America, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that narrows it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Tony.
unidentified		Detroit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Detroit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, anyway.
unidentified		Anyway, well, I gotta show up here a story stand out to me.
		I explained it to my friend, but he said he was riding his bike along a trail, and then a humanoid black figure, like semi-human, semi-umal, ran across the trail, then jumped up onto a fence and perched there, I guess.
		So anyway, I just found that interesting because he said made noise, and normally they don't make noise, so what do you have to say about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, more importantly, what did your friend say?
unidentified		Well, he didn't have much to say about it.
unidentified		He just said he stopped them, and then it slowly faded away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And slowly faded away.
		Well, I don't know.
		Gee, if that happened to me, if I was on a bike and this thing jumped up on a fence in front of me, I'm sitting here trying to think, but generally, I'd probably drop the bike and run.
		I think that would probably be my reaction.
unidentified		Dropping the bike and running.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what you say about something like that.
		There's more and more of it going on.
		People are seeing odd things.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		My name is Jessica, and I'm calling from Chicago, and I'm listening on WLS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a big one in Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jessica.
unidentified		How are you doing?
		It's a pleasure to talk to you.
		Thank you.
		I just have two very quick stories for you about death.
		A friend of my family growing up, in his very late 60s, he was really sick, you know, kidney problems, things like that.
		Apparently in his 20s, 30s, and 40s, he was not such a nice guy, maybe carrying around a lot of bad karma, I don't know.
		But anyway, he was pronounced clinically dead.
		And he came, you know, when he was getting better, he discussed with my parents how he was very freaked out and scared because when he experienced his clinical death, he saw devils, fire, tortured souls, and it was this really a very scary thing for him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, he probably thinks he went and had a little bit of vision of hell.
unidentified		Yeah, and after that, he was very afraid, like that was what was awaiting him when he finally did die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did it cause him to change his life and become a Boy Scout?
unidentified		Well, he certainly became very pleasant after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he?
unidentified		Yes, he really did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's something that I wonder about, the fairness of it.
		In other words, somebody who experiences clinical death has a leg up on all of us.
		And it doesn't matter whether they go to a hellish experience.
		Most people, by the way, don't talk about that.
		So you hear fewer of them.
		They're very rare and very interesting.
		Or they have the tunnel with the relatives and all the rest of it.
unidentified		I have one more quick little story that's also very interesting.
unidentified		My best friend from high school, her mother, when she had her last child, was hemorrhaging really badly in the hospital and actually pronounced dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And she was actually, oh, it's quite morbid.
		She was actually put into a body bag and everything and into a body bag.
		Yeah, and her husband was notified, and he insisted on going back in and seeing her.
		And it turns out she started moving inside the body bag.
		And then they discovered that she had come back to life.
		And apparently she, when this was all happening, she, like your other caller, was saying that she had this frantic sense of like, well, no, I'm not really dead.
		you know even though they were pronouncing her dead yes she was like I'm not dead and she could kind of see what was transpiring and got really even SARS That part, I honestly am not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very disconcerting.
		What I was going to say earlier, and it fits for both cases, is as follows.
		It's kind of not fair.
		Whether you go to heaven or hell in your little experience, you have a leg up on everybody else and you have a chance to straighten out your life and fly right or understand that you're going to a better place and you have much less fear of death.
		Anybody who has never had this experience doesn't enjoy that advantage.
		So in a way, it's like giving somebody a second chance, and it doesn't seem fair.
		The average bad guy doesn't get a second chance.
unidentified		Yeah, that's an amazing point when you think about it.
		Because they've already been there.
		They've already done it, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Now, if I could ask you one quick question, if I could take your comments off the air if you want.
		I was wondering if you heard about the government releasing this information that these whales that mysteriously were beaching were actually killed by sonar experiments.
		Have you heard of that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, you'll get my comments off the air.
		No, I certainly haven't.
		I've heard a great deal of speculation from people like Greenpeace and a lot of activist organizations that this incredibly high decibel sonar the Navy is using right now is causing death and is causing beachings.
		Whether anybody has actually proven the causative relationship or not, I'm not aware of that.
		You may know of a story that I am not yet aware, but if that is occurring, then of course the Navy should cease those operations immediately.
		But I suppose beachings and the use of this loud decibel sonar, you know, it's going to be very hard to connect.
		A lot of you may say no-brainer, but really until you can make a direct evidentiary connection, you're not going to get them to stop.
		That's for sure.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		This is Thomas in Mesa, Arizona, 550 KFYI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Well, I've had a near-death experience in my life, if that counts against the topic tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on this line, anything goes, so be my guest.
unidentified		Well, sir, it was about 92, maybe 1993.
unidentified		I was at home, asleep or maybe mostly asleep in my bed, and I could see the darkness off in the distance and the dome of light, like, you know, maybe headlights coming off in the distance on the horizon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I could feel myself moving closer to it.
unidentified		And as I was moving closer to it, I could make out silhouettes and white shadows and, you know, the sort of afterlife experience that modern people would think about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was moving toward it, and I wouldn't have minded checking out right then in my sleep.
		And, well, I wasn't too old then.
		I'm 38 now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, they say sleep itself is a little slice of death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it may be that occasionally, even in sleep, we get a bit of a glimpse of, you know, down the hall.
unidentified		But anyway, I didn't think, you know, at that particular time anyway, you know, checking out my sleep wouldn't have been that bad.
		But amazingly enough, the one thing that brought me back to our side of reality, as it were, the neighbor's dog barking through my townhouse wall, calling me back.
		She was calling me back to life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Is your name Rum?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		But she was aware.
unidentified		And that particular animal had affection for me, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the story.
unidentified		That's incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, why not?
		If sleep, and in a sense, it certainly is a bit of a slice of death, huh?
		And one other thing he mentioned, he would have gone willingly at that point.
		And let me suggest to you that you think about the following.
		Many Americans, what does the song say, 40,000 men every day?
		Men and women every day.
		40,000.
		I think that's what it says.
		Die in their sleep.
		Now, I wonder if those who pass away in their sleep, of course we'll never know, will we, have the kind of dream that man just had, only make a different decision.
		We would never know because they die in their sleep.
		You know, and frequently it is said he died peacefully in his sleep.
		And I've always wondered how do they know?
		How do they know he died peacefully?
		They found him the next morning.
		He may have been screaming and ripping in agony in the middle of the night.
		Nobody heard him.
		But they always say died peacefully in his sleep.
		And some people do.
		The question is, did they have an opportunity to make a choice?
		Sort of get a little taste of the other side.
		That's an interesting question.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I'm on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would appear so, yes, with an echo, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Florida, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got a terrible echo, hon. Did you experience clinical death?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
unidentified		Well, I called because, and I don't know what I guess there's a delay because I heard you saying something about how people who are 16 shouldn't have an insurance or a driver's license.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, well, look, I didn't mean to offend you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you 16?
unidentified		No, I'm 28 now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		28.
		But do you know what I mean?
		Do you remember?
unidentified		Yeah, because I was in a car accident when I was 16.
		Oh.
		And it was a head-on collision, and I was pronounced dead.
		And they covered me up with a sheet.
		And one of the paramedics looked over, I don't know how long, you know, what amount of time had passed, but they saw my chest moving up and down.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, okay.
		During this period of time, what do you, is there any memory whatsoever?
		Do you have any memory of what happened?
unidentified		No, and this is going to be hard to explain because, you know, it's been 12 years that I've been going over it in my head, and I haven't told too many people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, I'm coming up to a break.
		I don't want to interrupt your story.
		Are you able to hang on the line?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then I'm going to hold you over.
		Stay right where you are.
		And I guess we're about to hear a story that not many people have heard.
		Clinically dead on the side of the road.
		Morning.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM where all kinds of deals.
unidentified		You're listening to Ark Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
		And the devil jumped up on a hickory dump and said, boy, let me tell you what.
		I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player too.
		And if you'd care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
		Now, you play pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil his view.
		I'll bet a fiddle of gold against your soul, because I think I'm better than you.
		The boy said, my name's Johnny, and it might be a sin, but I'll take your bet, you're going to regret, because I'm the best it's ever been.
		Johnny rising up your poet, play your fiddle hard.
		'Cause hell's both loose in Georgia and the devil feels it hard.
		I go on your lonely mansion with a tear in every room.
		All I want's a love you promise beneath the halo's moon.
		But you think I should be happy with your money and your name.
		And hide myself in sorrow while you play your cheating game.
		Silver threads and golden needles in a endless heart of mine.
		And I dare not find my sorrow in the warm glow of your wine.
		But you think I should be happy with your money and your name.
		And hide myself in sorrow while you play your cheating game.
		Silver threads and golden needles in a endless heart of mine.
		And I dare not find my sorrow in the warm glow of your wine.
		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this program seems to be headed toward being a clinical depth program.
		Way it's going to be, then so be it.
		That's fine by me.
		So, I suppose if you have a story of that nature, you can try and get through on any line.
		It is generally open lines Friday night, Saturday morning, Amart Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. Oh, now this is serious.
		I'm getting confirmation all over the place.
		Brent in Memphis, Karen in L.A., and a million others are saying the whale problem, indeed, it seems the Navy did discern the causal death of whale sonar-cause trauma.
		So apparently, some whales that beached and killed themselves, the Navy now has concluded, did that because of their sonar.
		They're going to have to rethink that policy very quickly and not make such a decision ever again.
		Well, they were warned.
		They surely were warned by an awful lot of people, including the Greenpeace folks, that this was going to happen.
		And I have this really strong feeling that we ought not be killing whales.
		Probably a very bad idea.
		Remember the Star Trek episode, right?
		Killing whales.
		Not good.
		okay, you're back on the air again with that horrible echo.
		So you go ahead with your story, please, and tell us what happened.
unidentified		I'm on a portable phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's okay, we'll live with it.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, I was in a 67 Volkswagen Beetle, and I got hit by, like, a Lincoln Continental as I was making a turn, and I can't remember exactly if I guess the car stalled.
		It had been doing that.
		I didn't have like a, what I would call like an outgassing where you see a light or anything like that.
		And I don't have any visible memories of being dead.
		But I kind of describe it to the people I've described it to as I kind of still had my foot in the door as far as being in touch with my body.
		But I was totally somewhere else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were totally somewhere else, but you had your foot in the door of reality, so you just barely sort of were hanging on to what was here on earth.
unidentified		I was still kind of in my body.
		I was in a coma for about a month or a month and a half.
		So while I was in the hospital, my mom said that, and she was there with me the whole time, day and night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, then let me ask you this, and I've always wanted to ask this of somebody who's been in a coma for a long time.
		If you're in a coma for a month, I'm sure your mom was there and talking to you.
		Doctors today even advise that talking to people in comas may be a good idea because sometimes they do hear it.
unidentified		Do you remember anything at all?
unidentified		Well, it is a good idea to talk to people because you need to stimulate their senses, their hearing, and touch them and stuff, just to help keep them there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the question is, do you remember your mother talking to you?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So for you, it was kind of a big blank?
unidentified		Well, it was a big blank, but I came back with a feeling that I had been somewhere and experienced, like, say, a life's worth of experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you so much for your call.
		In other words, maybe you were not meant maybe you were not meant to remember it.
		Maybe it was a very great deal in that period of time in 30 days, 30 days in a coma.
		You could have had a lifetime of experience because the time there is not necessarily, it doesn't necessarily equate with the time here in any way whatsoever.
		No relevance at all.
		So it may be you had another lifetime during that period.
		Very interesting.
		Very interesting.
		Wow, Carline, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, I've never had any out-of-body experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		But ever since I was a young child, I used to have visions.
		And some of the visions were very scary.
		One time I envisioned six tornadoes around a great big tornado.
		And I went around telling my friends for two weeks straight.
		And everybody says, you're crazy.
		You're nuts, man.
		Quit talking about the tornadoes.
		And two weeks from the day that I predicted it would hit, it devastated the town that I live in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where was that?
unidentified		It's in Sedalia, Missouri.
		This was in 1976.
		Yeah, I heard about those tornadoes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, were you actually going to your friends and predicting this, or were you going to your friends and just recounting the dream?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you didn't begin calling it predictive until after the event, or did you say it was going to happen?
unidentified		I said it would happen two weeks before it happened, every day for two weeks, up until the day that it happened.
		I was warning everybody, and everybody thought that I was crazy.
		And I used to have different visions like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what I would say to you is, stay in touch with me, will you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And as you get visions, email them off to me and I'll pass them on.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		You never know exactly how to react to a story like that.
		I have no reason to believe he's not telling the truth.
		There's no way, of course, at this point to prove it.
		However, in the future, if he has such vivid visions, then he has the opportunity to get them here, and I'll get them on the air, and we'll memorialize them.
		Then we'll listen harder.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, who are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Well, I'm in Connecticut.
		Okay.
		And I want to tell you an amazing story which brings streams, tears to my eyes every time I talk about it.
		Sure.
		Puts the hair in the back of my head standing up.
		My hands are sweating now.
		This is like a guardian angel story.
		This woman, when I was a young, young boy, I was born on December 25th, 1957.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Merry Christmas.
unidentified		And this woman lived next to us.
		She always called me her child.
		She was an old woman.
		Her name, they called her in the neighborhood, they said she was a witch.
		They called her Miss Pri.
		Her name, my mom said her name was Miss Pri Abahak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but they called her Miss Pri as in P-R-E?
unidentified		As in Preamula.
		Okay.
		Her real name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Preamula, okay.
unidentified		Preamula Abuhak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like a witch's name, doesn't it?
unidentified		It does.
		In fact, it is the witch's name.
		I see.
		But her father was an Egyptian, and her mother was an African-American.
		Amazingly enough, when she died, my mother says she was always favoring me.
		I'm the oldest of seven sons.
		She's the youngest of seven daughters.
		I found out.
		But when I would go to her house, she would always read a book to me.
		She would always make me take off my shoes.
		And this went on for a long, long time.
		And I don't remember anything she said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't remember what she read to you?
unidentified		I know what it is now.
		It was the Quran she was reading to me.
		The Quran.
		And she, when I would be sick, I used to have severe head problems.
		I mean, my head would just feel like it was bursting in half.
		They used to take me to doctors and everything.
		But when she would read something over me and rub my head, it would go away.
		Just go away.
		Later, I had the chance, ten years ago, I became a Muslim, unbeknownst to anything that she was doing, I thought.
		And I realized there's a science now that I've been to Saudi and studied called aluqiya, which is reading certain verses of the Quran over a person, and it will relieve all kinds of things.
		So I wanted to mention that, but she also had the smell of roses always around her.
		Once I was running up a hill at a family reunion, I was a young boy, and I was running away from some guys who were trying to tag me.
		As I went to run up this hill, there's a steep hill, I said, oh, I'm going to get over that hill and I'm going to just run down.
		I heard her voice say, no, slow down, stop.
		As I reached the hill, her voice made me kneel to my knees.
		And as I looked over it, it was a deep cliff.
		If I had went over it, I would have died for sure.
		As soon as I heard a voice, I smelt roses all around me.
		The second time it happened, I was years older.
		I was out of high school.
		A friend of mine and I, we were getting ready to go to the bar after work.
		It was a Friday.
		We were going down this busy street.
		He was going to make this wild left-hand turn onto the other side of the street.
		I heard a voice say, stop.
		As soon as I heard a voice, I smelled the roses.
		I told my friend, stop, like that.
		When he stopped, this truck raced right past us.
		It would have just crushed us.
		This, don't make long trade, it had happened several other times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she obviously is watching over you.
unidentified		I hope so, but I also wanted to mention this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's watching over you, that's all.
unidentified		I also wanted to mention this.
		This is something that I think everyone should take notice of about Osama bin Laden and about Mumar Omar.
		There's a video that they have of Mumar Omar who holds up this cloak and he's waving it back and forth to the Taliban as they throw their turbans up to touch it and everything.
		Do you know what this cloak is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir?
unidentified		Do you know that cloak?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		This cloak is the cloak of the Prophet Muhammad.
		This cloak has special powers.
		If you put this cloak on, you disappear with a prayer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it is a known fact in the Arab and Muslim world but somehow Maybe he slipped on the rope.
		Robe.
		I don't know.
		Rope.
		We slip right there.
		Well, you know, I have not made up my mind about a lot of things.
		and uh...
		what he said about the reading of the quran by this which uh...
		the reading of the bible the reading of the quran the reading of any uh...
		book by one of the great profits uh...
		i think probably is uh...
		I think that reading the Quran and praying for something to occur is probably as powerful as reading the Bible and praying for something to occur.
		I'm not altogether sure about that yet, but I really do think so.
		I think that you can reach any state of absolute faith and project power with prayer.
		And that that would occur probably with any religion, but I'm not sure about that part yet.
		You know, they've done double-blind studies on people who are sick, very sick, even critically ill, and are prayed for versus other groups who are not prayed for.
		And the results are absolutely startling and irrefutable.
		The group that's prayed for does by a great percentage better.
		They know that's true.
		And I would suspect it would be true of any religion that we know about with a group praying to whoever their God is.
		But I don't know all that for sure.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi.
unidentified		I've got ghost activity in my house tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have ghost activity now?
unidentified		Not for about the last half hour, but up until about a half an hour ago, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in northern New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Northern New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of an enchanted place anyway, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you in an old house or what's the deal?
unidentified		The house was built back in the 50s by the government as a chicken coop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're living in an old chicken coop?
unidentified		Well, that's what it was.
		That's not what it is anymore, but that was its original purpose.
		There is a lot of that in northern New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what has begun to happen to you, and when did it begin to happen?
unidentified		Oh, I'm so glad that you asked it that way.
unidentified		I've had stuff happen since I first moved here, but I live alone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which was how long ago?
unidentified		It's been two years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You live alone?
unidentified		Yeah, I live alone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Invitation to trouble right away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Young lady living alone in northern rural New Mexico.
unidentified		Okay.
		I have three dogs.
		And, you know, I've never felt unsafe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, what began to happen?
unidentified		Well, I guess the first thing that I noticed was here about a year ago, we got a bunch of photos back from the photo lab, and they were filled with those orb things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the orb things, yeah.
unidentified		Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them.
		I mean, some of the pictures you can't even see, and I had tried to dismiss it in all kinds of ways.
		And then I started seeing the orb pictures on your site, and I thought, okay, I'm not nuts.
		This is really something that's happening out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it really is.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
		And so that was the first of it.
		Let me tell you what happened tonight, because a lot of what happened tonight has just sort of gone on.
		Yeah, go ahead.
		About three hours ago, I was working at the computer, and it sounded like a freight train was coming through my house.
		The windows were shaking, and the wind's been blowing today, so I thought, oh, God, are we having a tornado or something?
		And I looked out the window, and the winds had calmed, and the dogs were going nuts.
		And I had something like this happen before, and it centered.
		I use wood heat is my main heat source, and it centered in the chimney when it finally rattled all of the windows in the house, and it ended up coming down the chimney and dispersing in my fireplace.
		Just the smaller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, smokes.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, it was creepy.
		So tonight it sounds like a freight train comes running through the house, and the dogs are freaking out.
		And I thought, well, maybe the wind died down right after it did that.
		So I blew it off.
		And about 10 minutes later, my dog comes running through the dog door, runs right up next to where I'm working, and she pulls a remake of that scene from Poltergeist where the dog jumps up on the bed where the entities have used the wall as an entry port.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember that reading?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I do.
unidentified		No, I'm not kidding.
		She did it.
		She put on her best play growl, play bark, and she was just being wiggy, you know, kind of running around in circles.
		And I couldn't make anything out about it.
		And then I realized last night as I was laying in bed reading, I had the only thing that I can call it is a shadow orb.
		And it flew right at my face.
		And I mean, it was profound.
		I dropped a book I was reading.
		The dog jumped about a foot.
		And I thought, well, maybe I nodded off or something.
		I mean, you try to find ways to explain things when you live alone and there's no one else there to witness these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how are you handling this living there alone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how can you even handle this happening?
unidentified		Well, you know what?
		Up until the dog reacted tonight, I guess that I was just sort of taking it in stride and thinking, well, if there was anything to it, maybe the dogs would react or something.
		But it's like now I have tangible validation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The night from your perspective is yet young.
unidentified		Oh, well, let me tell you the other thing that happens, Art, and this is the real freaky one.
		You've got cats, and so I'm sure you've had this experience.
		You're laying in bed at night, and the cat jumps up, and they don't weigh a lot, but you can feel their little feet on the bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's no question.
		Listen, hold this story.
		Can you stay on the line here?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're paying the nickel.
		What the heck, you can.
		Stay there, and we'll bring you back after the news.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
		We'll be right back.
		We'll be right back.
		Be the sight of the sand, the smell of the touch, something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of a touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak roots deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up from tarmac to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
		To lie in the meadow and hear the grass sing.
		All these things in our memories ow.
		and the users are laughing yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I'll be great for you.
		Why take it right?
		Take my friend.
		I'm by me.
		It's not a dream But I was looking to say it's a year But I'm not just doing my fears And to end my life before I had But by now, I have to.
		You're listening to Arch Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There really are some rides you might rather not take.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And tonight we're talking about some of those.
unidentified		We have a clinical depth line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all we're taking on that line.
		Only thing we're taking there is stories of actual full clinical depth.
		It is fascinating.
		And so much more.
		Otherwise, actually, it's kind of turning into that kind of a program, which is also okay.
		That's what we're doing.
		If you'll stay right there, it is bound to be a ride.
		Well, all right.
		She hung on all this time.
		Please proceed, hun.
unidentified		Okay, here's kind of the clincher to this story.
unidentified		Last night, after the shadow orb flew at me and scared the book out of my hand, I felt this what felt like my cat walking on my bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right next to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know the feeling they walk all over us.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those paws were made for walking.
unidentified		Oh, good God.
		And if you've got a water bed, all the better.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		But, you know, when they're not right on top of you, they're kind of circling around your body, trying to figure out where they're going to strike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, that feeling was on the bed.
		And I realized I was laying close enough to the edge of the bed that there's no way there was room for that cat up there.
		And she was laying in her basket in the pantry.
		And I got to thinking about it.
		And, you know, all of this stuff has happened throughout the time that I've lived in this house.
		But I've always found a way to dismiss it until the dogs flipped out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, wait a minute.
		let's go back to the water bed for a second here you're telling me I see.
		Okay, but you're telling me, nevertheless, that a cat walked about you, or what felt like a cat, but it was not a cat because your cat wasn't there.
		That's right.
		Now, and you live alone, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, if you were a man, you'd have big cojones.
		I don't know what you need for a woman to stay in a house alone like that, but how are you managing?
		Are you going to stick it out?
unidentified		Well, you know, Art, since I was young, I've had paranormal manifestations in my life.
		So I guess it's something that to me seems fairly normal.
		And believe it or not, one of the things that helps me deal with it a little bit better is your program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many hours till the sun comes up for you?
unidentified		Oh, God, I don't know.
		Probably about six.
		I mean, I really don't lose any sleep over it.
		I mean, I don't know.
		If the dogs go off again today, I was obviously unnerved enough that I felt like I needed to call Art and talk to him about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have my email.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a computer?
unidentified		Yeah, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have my email address, right?
unidentified		Yeah, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If something else happens between now and endo show, call me, okay?
unidentified		You got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Is somebody undergoing paranormal experiences right now?
		I don't know how she could handle that.
		I mean, if something was walking around my bed, if I felt it walking around me, fine, it's a cat.
		And then you look over in your cat, your only cat is sleeping comfortably somewhere else.
		I would not be sleeping comfortably.
		Let me put it that way.
		First time caller line, actually on my clinical death line, you're on there.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		Lisa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lisa, where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from San Diego.
		Okay.
		California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Just a very beautiful, warming, absolute, intense experience.
		It was in 1982, and I was a student at Chico State, which is in Northern California.
		And a very popular thing to do was to go up to the pools and waterfalls and go swimming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And I was swimming at 18 years old under this gorgeous waterfall, and I could see all the fish underneath.
		And I saw a friend on a rock, so his hands, he was leaning over the pool as if to pull me up onto the rock.
		And I actually swam towards the rock, and he grasped my hand and pulled me up, suddenly lost the grasp, and I disappeared.
		And I was sucked under an underground waterfall.
		It was about 60 feet.
		And as I scraped all the way down, I could feel the scraping.
		And I knew I was a goner.
		And no one knew where I was because I just completely disappeared looking down at the pool as it cleared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to understand an underground waterfall.
unidentified		Well, it was an underground tunnel of water.
		These were just gorgeous pools in Northern California near the Buttes.
		It's like a mini Grand Canyon.
		It's gorgeous.
		Anyway, I was sucked in feet first into an underground tunnel, and as it turns out, it was about 60 feet long down the river, the Rushing River.
		And as I was scraping down, it was the most, and after I realized this is it, I don't know, it was the most incredible, beautiful, warming light.
		Now, I knew nothing about this at the time, these experiences.
		I've never heard of them before.
		And I remember as I popped up, I popped out on top of a rock and my leg was caught on a log.
		And I popped out over the waterfall, over this other little mini jacuzzi-like waterfall.
		And I heard someone say, there she is.
		And I was in shock and vomiting and et cetera, et cetera.
		But the point is, is when I came out of this experience, I was deeply saddened.
		I didn't want to come out of it.
		And I'm a very happy girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you're not the first person to say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Given a choice, you would not have come back.
unidentified		Right.
		It was unbelievable.
		And I'm a happy girl.
		I'm one of those, you know, just not, you know, that's been, I really enjoy life.
		And it wasn't that I was depressed at the time or going through tough, you know, things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do you think this has affected your life since?
unidentified		Well, a deep appreciation, and I can't explain it, but it's like an all-knowing that there is definitely something greater.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No fear of death.
unidentified		No fear at all.
		No, and it's made me want to accomplish really something, you know.
		I think we all go through life wanting to make that big difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		It was just quite incredible.
unidentified		I guess that's the difference of those callers I've heard is that I did not want to come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I went back.
		I wonder how long it took you.
		Did they tell you from the time you went under until they found you?
unidentified		So they figured out it was about 60 feet.
		And as it turned out, after I changed drastically for two to three months, I got very quiet and I didn't understand my experience.
		I was embarrassed.
		I thought, if I tell people, they'll think I'm weird.
		And then I went to the library and found case study after case study throughout the 1600s of these types of experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me ask you.
unidentified		Fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Let me ask again.
		From the time that you lost the grasp of the person trying to grab you and you began going into the tunnel until they found you on the other side, how long was that?
		Do you know?
unidentified		It was 60 to 70 feet.
unidentified		Oh, how long?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long in time?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I just, oh, they said it was probably, oh, okay.
		It was about probably a minute.
		No, a minute and a half to two minutes.
		So, because I was scraping down, and I guess where I was going with that, I was very thin at the time.
		And if had I weighed five more pounds, I would have gotten stuck in the tunnel and learned later that three people had died because they weighed over 130.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In that tunnel.
unidentified		And they got stuck and had to be dredged out.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, it was just an amazing experience, but did not want to come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't be threading that needle myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call.
unidentified		Okay, I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, thank you so much.
		There you are.
		She didn't want to come back.
		Now, that's interesting because earlier I was speculating about a choice, you know, whether some of us get to make a choice.
		And she apparently did not.
		or if she'd been able to, would have stayed.
		So maybe it's not...
		Maybe other times there is destiny.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I'm Colleen from Albuquerque.
		I'm listening to you on KKOB.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		What I wanted to tell you, I listened to your show last night, and I was very intrigued also by the mention of Tam Reynolds story that you aired last week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't let go of it.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I just wanted to let you know, you know, to undergo a procedure like that, she'd have to be anesthetized.
		So that's going to decrease her blood flow.
		It's also going to suppress her neural transmission.
		But she had a profound hypothermia.
		And even with just a few degrees of hypothermia, you can inhibit neural transmission in the brain.
		She had profound hypothermia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Profound, indeed, yes.
unidentified		And she was on what I assume was cardiopulmonary bypass with low blood pressure.
unidentified		I'm not sure that her body was completely drained of the blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they said completely drained.
		Actually, completely drained.
		It was the only way, apparently, to get the bulge of the aneurysm to recede.
		So they said they actually took all the blood out.
		I mean, this is not amazing.
		Yeah, it's amazing, right?
		So that means there was nothing pumping any oxygen whatsoever to the brain.
		Zero oxygen.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Then you've got to get that doctor on there because we wouldn't even have any oxygen to basal metabolism of the neural cells.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		There wouldn't be any neurotransmitters going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		This was not a hallucination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you all the way.
unidentified		I mean, this is incredible information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		And we are scheduling the doctor on, who I am told will back up her story.
		And that means her story of exactly what occurred during the linear hour that she was dead, of what went on in the operating room, the kind of tools they used and what they did, and the whole thing.
		So, yeah, this is a very, very profound story with profound implications.
		And I'm not done with it yet.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Not by a long shot.
		Am I done with it?
		It comes closest to answering the question that I've been wanting to answer all my life.
		There are no doubt other similar cases.
		And actually, I think that it probably prompted the line that I wanted to do tonight, the stories that you're hearing.
		I know some people are not going to believe, but that's okay.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello?
		I don't know if he is at home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going twice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, are you there?
unidentified		I'm east of the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed, you are, dear, and you're also on the air.
unidentified		Oh, my goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
unidentified		I'm working.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't mean to interrupt the conversation there.
unidentified		No, I was working.
		I'm a security officer.
		I just wanted to say I'm the one that called last week, and you said to email that I don't have an address, I mean, a computer to email you concerning when I told you I had been dead for 40-some minutes when I had my son in Germany.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		I wasn't trying to put you off or anything.
		It's just that I don't have a computer, and I've asked around, and I don't know anyone with a computer is all.
		Or I would have sent you the details, and you could have checked it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give me a few details now.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		When I died, I went inside myself, and my heart gave out.
		Well, I was pregnant, and I was in Germany, and my husband was military.
		He was gone all day.
		Come 6 o'clock in the morning, I'm having pains, and I held back on the baby until after 6 that night, until he got home.
		And when he got home, I had to be raced to the hospital, of course.
		And I should have had the baby at 6 in the morning.
		Well, it caused me a lot of problems, and my heart gave out, and I died.
		And I went inside myself in a German Kranken house.
		When I went in there, they had put me in, they don't have birthing like here in the United States.
		It was like a birthing chair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm trying to figure out what you mean by you went inside yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, to us, to me, for example, I'm inside myself now.
unidentified		So what do you mean?
		No, I mean, when I went inside myself, I was like inside where the baby was.
		And the baby looked huge.
		I was way smaller than the baby.
		It sounds dumb, but it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, I got you.
unidentified		Okay.
		And I was helping push my baby down the birth canal.
		I mean, this was what I was doing in there.
		And then my son, After I guess he made it through the birth canal, I popped out and I was like in a place of light.
		But to me, it appeared like a round ball with no rays or anything, just warmth.
		It was like a bright yellow sun, but no rays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this the period of time when you were clinically dead?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
unidentified		They had tried to revive me over and over, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you actually pushed out your own child and then came out of yourself, and you were outside your body.
		At that moment, you were clinically dead.
		So you had died giving birth.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
unidentified		But I didn't know I was dead at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of thoughts did you have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you're outside your body and you have conscious thought, you're certainly going to be thinking some pretty strange thoughts.
unidentified		I actually wasn't thinking anything at that time.
		I was just like, I don't know.
		I was just doing something, but it was without thinking about it.
		I don't know how to put it.
		It's like, you know, you're not attached.
		I just, like, you know how you sit down and eat a dinner.
		Well, you're not thinking about it, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it didn't feel weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you didn't recognize what a bizarre situation you were in.
unidentified		No, I thought I, no, I didn't even relate to this world anymore.
		You know, it just was like a natural place for me.
		It was like that's where I belonged, and I didn't even, I mean, I wasn't even thinking of, I had no like, like, life passing before my eyes.
		All I knew was I was in this warmth of this orange glow.
		And it appeared round, but I think it's because your pupils on your eyes are round.
		That's the only way I know how to explain it.
		And I just, I wasn't thinking that I'm dead.
		I wasn't thinking anything.
		I was just there and enjoying this warmth.
		And it just felt wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you have chosen to remain there if you could have?
unidentified		Yes, because that was perfectly natural to me.
		It was like that, see, when you're there, or at least for me, I did not remember here whatsoever.
		It was like I had never been here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
		I had no idea about being here.
		I know it sounds crazy, but it's true.
		You know, and it's like the minute that light told me, it was a male's voice and kind of a weird sounding voice.
		I mean, it wasn't even, to me, it wasn't even a pleasant voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a goddess.
unidentified		But I heard it say, Diana, go to your son.
		And at that instant, as soon as it said it, I remember opening my eyes and I was on this gurney instead of in the birthing chair.
		They had me on like a gurney.
		And I guess they were getting ready to wheel me because they were all working on my child.
		He had been born a blue baby from holding back.
		And they saved him.
		They brought him out of it.
		But they were over there sucking the fluid from his lungs because he was drowned when he was born from me holding back so long.
		And, you know, I set up because I didn't know then that I had been dead.
		You know, I just thought, wow, that's pretty much it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they happen to tell you how long clinically you had been dead?
unidentified		On my papers in the report, it said that I was 47 minutes because that's how long they were working on my son Neil.
unidentified		So it had been 47 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I was.
unidentified		I mean, it's not a pleasant experience when you come back because I've had terrible problems all my life with my joints and, you know, just pain.
		I have chronic pain, and it's not pleasant whatsoever.
		But it's all because of that time that I had been deceased.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got it.
		All right.
		Thank you very, very much for your call.
		That was some story.
		She was inside herself.
		She helped push out her child, who was a blue baby.
		And then she followed her child out and was outside of her body while she was clinically dead.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's kind of what we do here, run with a knife.
		Chase the shadows.
		Playing in the shadows.
		We do that too.
		It is true, isn't it?
		More of it coming up in a moment.
		Don't forget the first-time caller line restricted away to the clinical deaf line tonight.
		Boy, there's been a lot of that.
		I suppose we could call this the Night of the Walking Dead, but it really wouldn't have quite the same spiritual significance, would it?
		Hey, listen, I'm going to be off Monday and Tuesday, Christmas Eve and Christmas, and on those nights, you're going to have an unusual opportunity.
		On Monday night, Tuesday, we're going to replay the show from 97 with Bob Lazar and Gene Huff.
		Bob Lazar is a man who worked at Area 51.
		He worked on Alien Craft.
		And if you have never heard the show, it is dynamic, impressive, truthful sounding.
		And if you've been wondering what goes on at Area 51, you're not going to want to miss that.
		That's Monday.
		Tuesday night, we're going to have Graham Hancock going back yet another year to 96.
		We'll be talking about Egypt.
		And of course, that subject is absolutely ageless.
		And so if you've never heard Graham, that's going to be an extremely unusual opportunity for you.
		Hope you all have a good Christmas.
		On my clinically deadline, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well, well, well.
		Yes.
		I first just want to let you know that I'm listening to you on this groovy little Bajan that I bought in 99 on your advice.
		It was a wonderful purchase, and I just wanted to mention that I had lost the hookup to go to House Current, so all night I have to crank that rascal.
		Well, you know what?
		It gives you the greatest workout.
		So I just wanted to let you know that there's two, it's a double use instrument.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The idea is an amazing radio, isn't it?
		Absolutely amazing.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Near Yosemite National Park in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, what happened to you?
unidentified		Well, I was in a horrendous horse wreck back in the 1950s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say horse wreck?
unidentified		A horrendous horse mule wreck.
unidentified		The whole herd ran over me after I fell off the front horse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you were trampled.
unidentified		I certainly was.
		I was thrashed.
		And I was in the operating room late at night.
		They were trying to patch me up.
		And they were working on my shoulder at the time.
		They were in there stapling bones together.
		And this was in the old days when they used ether for anesthesia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
unidentified		Well, what it amounted to was they put a little mask over your face, and then the person that was administering would just start pouring a few drops of the stuff on the mask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct, yes.
unidentified		There was no way to really gauge it.
		So basically, I was just a tiny little sprout.
		I was maybe six, seven years old.
		And they overdosed me, and they killed me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've got a good sense of humor about it now, I guess, after all this time.
unidentified		Well, art has been a great blessing and a privilege.
		And so, yes, I do have a real good attitude about it.
		They had a drape over my chest and abdomen.
		They were working on my shoulder.
		Well, they had set a lot of instruments and scalpels and things on this drape, basically on my chest.
		And all of a sudden, someone said, we've lost her, we've lost her.
		And they started scrambling.
		Here they've got this little tiny tot, and all of a sudden she's gone.
		And so they started flinging instruments off of me, trying to get to my chest.
		And as they were scrambling and flinging, one of them dropped a scalpel down onto my arm, and it stabbed into my arm.
		And they, you know, it was a minor problem in the big scheme of things.
		But it was an accident.
		Meanwhile, somebody else is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still, it would have been kind of annoying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you were aware in any way, either in or out of your body and you saw them stab you with a scalpel, it would be, hey, hey, hey.
unidentified		Well, you know, back then, I was so tiny.
		I had never, of course, heard of a near death.
		Back in the 50s, I don't know if it was even discussed much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happened to you?
unidentified		Well, what happened to me was they started pounding on my chest.
		And I was looking down, the same old story.
		I was looking down and watching, and I was thinking, gee, and then I realized, well, that's me down there.
		I thought, wow.
		And then I realized there's this presence on My left waiting with me up in the air, 18 or 20 feet, hovering.
		There I am looking down.
		And there is this being.
		I don't know, I shouldn't say being.
		I did not turn to my left and look at who was with me.
		But I was not frightened.
		The person with me was not threatening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You knew you were in company.
unidentified		I was in company, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did this entity impart any information to you?
unidentified		No, just waiting patiently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just waiting.
unidentified		The gist of it was they got me started back up and they proceeded to put me in a body cast.
		And I woke up towards the end of the body cast part.
		I was back in my body.
		My mother, the next day or so, I was telling her that something happened in there and that they dropped something on me and cut me.
		And she, you know, I was so small that she, you know, what with the ether and all?
		She just figured, well, you know, whatever.
		And the doctor, she had told me later, much later, that the doctor had come out of the operating room and said, well, we had a few problems in there, but everything's okay.
		And we're hoping that, you know, she's going to do okay with the body cast.
		I was in the hospital forever and the body cast forever.
		Well, when they finally took it off, they used the old same thing they still use.
		You know, it's that saw thing that you think is going to cut you in half when they're taking the cast off.
		That's right.
		And he said, the doctor told my mother just before he started, he says, oh, he says, I don't know if I told you.
		He said, but we had a small mishap in there.
		He said, she was nicked by an instrument, and we just gave her one little suture, and it's fine.
		Well, they took the body cast off, and I still have that scar on my arm, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, what a story.
		What a story.
		And wow, what a story.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, thank you.
unidentified		I'd like to just say one thing.
		I spoke to a hypnotherapist about the possibility of regression, post-hypnotic regression.
		I want to go back and I want to be in the air with that whatever it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you should try it.
unidentified		I want to turn to my left and I want to look and see what it was or who it was.
unidentified		I think perhaps maybe the death angel or maybe the life creator, the force, the life force, maybe they send messengers to bring you where you're supposed to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame you.
		I do it.
		I would want to do the exact same thing if that had happened to me.
		Wow, what a story.
		So there was a presence with her waiting.
		Now, what does that suggest?
		That it's not all in our hands.
		I mean, why would there be a presence there waiting unless it was somewhat unsure, the outcome was unsure?
		Other than, again, you would think God or the Creator would know for sure that you're dead me.
		Maybe he doesn't.
		And maybe it's not entirely within the Lord's hands whether you're going to die or return to your body.
		Maybe it's just not entirely.
		And so there is somebody there just in case the most probable occurs, and you need guidance from there forward.
		In this case, of course, she didn't.
		But she was aware enough and knew that they had dropped, you know, in the middle of trying to revive her dead body, they dropped scalpel and it stabbed her in the arm.
		Now, like Pam Reynolds, how can you possibly account for these stories without colliding with this wall of, oh my God, there is something on the other side?
		You know, all this is real.
		It's not a joke.
		It's not a wish.
		It's not a hope.
		It's not even a faith.
		It's a fact that there is something beyond.
		How many stories like this can you hear from obviously a very articulate people who don't sound one little bit like they're making it up, do they?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		No, about Kaku last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Dr. Kaku, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I was thinking, you know, that he did really turn a beautiful story into a horror story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well.
unidentified		I wonder how many people are buried alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen.
		I respect Dr. Kaku a very great deal, but I said earlier in the program, and I'm going to say it again now, in my opinion, what he rendered up as an answer for the story of, you know, Pam was not scientific, and I think he would be the first to admit that.
		In other words, he was grasping at some possible explanation, which he had no scientific basis for reaching, for, you know, and trying to explain away what happened to Pam.
		And I don't think he gave us anything in science.
		He said what he said was, if I heard correctly, well, look, there must be some neural activity, as minor as it might be, going on that they simply couldn't measure.
		But that's pure speculation on his part.
		In fact, they were measuring nothing.
		In fact, there was no blood going to carry oxygen to the brain.
		There was no measurable neural activity.
		She was dead.
unidentified		If he was right, though, imagine how many people have been watching their own autopsies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I said that.
		If he would be right, it would be the biggest horror story of all time.
		It would be like you'd know you were being wheeled into the morgue, and, you know, now we're going to drain the juice.
unidentified		Oh, no, not that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		Oh, no, no.
		That'd be a horror story.
		But you see, I don't think I'd believe that at all.
unidentified		Oh, I hope not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you don't really believe that, do you?
unidentified		I don't choose to believe that.
unidentified		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or how about this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in an enclosed space, and you can hear your casket being wheeled toward the flames.
unidentified		That's what I was thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		Yeah, better not to think about it.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
		Of course, if Dr. Conku was right, then that could conceivably be the horrendous result.
		Yeah, I don't think so.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Raymond Collin from South Texas.
		Okay.
		Last, I guess it's been the last couple weeks, you'd received a couple calls and you sent some emails about people being awakened by people calling their names.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I'd recently suffered a minor back injury and I'd been off work.
unidentified		And during the time that I was off, I had occasion to be in bed quite a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And I had been woken on several occasions by what I perceived to be somebody calling my name.
		I thought it was probably the medication until the last event, which was the last evening I work a night shift.
		And the last evening I was sleeping up until the time I had to go to work.
		And while I was sleeping, I was awoke by a voice calling my name saying time to get up.
		And my alarm clock was broken, so I was using my cellular phone as an alarm.
		Anyway, I get up and I look at the cellular phone, and sure enough, the alarm is within probably a minute of time to go to work.
		So I turn on the light and get ready, and I grab my watch, and I realize that it's not the correct time on my cell phone.
		So I guess the significance of this is the voice told me it was time to get up by the incorrect time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, there's a couple of ways to look at this.
		One is that, you know, you mentioned medication.
		Right.
		Medication may disturb your brain to cause you to, you know, hear something false, or, you know, medication may also open some doors that allow you to hear something you wouldn't hear otherwise.
		Same deal for sleep deprivation or disturbed sleeping patterns.
		In other words, if your sleeping is very disturbed, you can imagine that you would just have a lot of dreams and vivid stuff.
		Or you can also imagine that it simply opens doors because you're spending more time in the twilight zone of sleep where these weird things occur.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Simple as that.
		So you can look at it either way.
		You can take your experience and suggest it was just drug-induced or because you were having poor sleeping patterns.
		Or you can imagine that those things are simply opening doors, allowing you to know things that you would not know otherwise.
		Either one could easily be true.
		West to the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello.
		Nia, I wanted to talk about some near-death experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, you're a little hard to hear, huh?
unidentified		Okay, I wanted to talk about the near-death experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Near-death?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Salinas, Calpani.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Salinas, okay.
unidentified		Okay, when I was 18, you know, I was experimenting.
unidentified		You know, I didn't, I never tried any kind of drugs or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But I did find like a cigar in a bag, you know, and I was I found it in school, so I thought, you know, it was a regular cigar.
unidentified		So I went in the back of my house and I smoked it for a couple, you know, puffs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You smoked the cigar?
unidentified		Yeah, a big cigar.
		And then that was my first time I ever smoked anything, you know, my first time.
		Next thing you know, you know, I went in my house and my family was there and we were watching television.
		But all of a sudden, you know, something started happening to me.
		I just became really scared.
		I could see myself, you know, really looking at myself like a mirror.
		And it seemed like I was in air and I was a really small person myself, you know how I look, but I was a small person looking at myself and I was really scared because I could see myself and I could see, you know, I could see myself really small.
		And I've never seen that, and I was really scared.
		So I just started shaking and then my family put a blanket on me.
		I said, I want to be in the dark.
		I'm really scared.
		And they put a blanket over me and they didn't know what was going on.
		And so my family called the ambulance and I went in the ambulance to the hospital because they don't know what's going on with me.
		And so I was in the hospital the next day and then they asked me, well, what happened?
		Why is it that?
		You're almost going to die, almost near death.
		What happened to you?
		And then I told them, you know, that I had taken some drugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That you had smoked this.
unidentified		Yeah, that I had taken some drug maybe that I didn't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what it was?
unidentified		No, I just I found it at school in a bag and I just you know, I just wanted to try.
		You know, I was 18.
		I was very young.
		And so they just gave me a warning.
		They said, you know, I was making it.
		That's what I was saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, maybe 16-year-olds shouldn't drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even 18-year-olds, I don't know.
unidentified		I mean, you find this bag with a cigar, who's take it away, smoke it up.
		Yeah, they told me next time you try something like this, you might not make it.
		So we suggest that you don't try any more trips at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine that, Doug.
unidentified		I was saying you were very lucky that you made it.
		You almost died.
		I just wanted to recall that I really could see myself in it.
		It's like myself, but really a small person that's in the air and you're looking down at yourself.
		So I don't know what that small.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sounds an awful lot, thank you, like the near-death experiences that have been described by so many others tonight, doesn't it?
		See, that's what I mean by being stupid when you're young.
		You're stupid.
		That's all there is to it.
unidentified		You're stupid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Find a bag out there so it's sort of like a half-smoked cigar in it and take it home and smoke it and see what happens.
		Do that at 18.
		You wouldn't do that now, would you?
		Would you?
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Don't forget, first time call our line is now the I was officially terminated dead line.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
		The world and the heaven of the sea.
		Everybody is looking for something special.
		Some of them want to use you, some of them want to get used by you, some of them want to abuse you, some of them want to be of you.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Riders on the storm, riders on the storm into this house we're born into this world we're thrown like a dog without a bone and hacker out of both Riders on the storm There's the killer on the road His
		brain is squirming like a toad Take a long ball today Let your children play If you get this brain a ride,
		sweet everybody will die Kill her on the road You're listening to Arkbell Somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the shadow of the valley of death, a little town called Perup.
		It's where we are in the high desert.
		Good morning, everybody.
unidentified		Girl, you've got to love your man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Talking about over there.
		A lot about over there.
		There'll be more of it in a moment.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, let's go play with the shadows in the nighttime a little bit, shall we?
		On the first time, actually on my, I was actually dead, clinically deadline.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I was, I'm calling from Cleveland, Ohio.
		Okay.
		And WTAM 1100.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a big one, yes.
unidentified		Yep.
		And my name is Caroline.
		Okay.
		And what I'm calling about is when I was 14 in about 1961, I had a clinical death.
		I was in the operating room.
		I had appendicitis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		It was a simple operation, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was supposed to be.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, anyhow, what happened was I started to hemorrhage.
		The doctor cut a vein.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And I was hemorrhaging, and the blood got into my lungs and suffocated me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would do it.
unidentified		And what happened was I was, I could hear them talking, but what I was seeing was a black velvet screen with cards like poker hands and a roulette wheel and craft ice rolling across the table.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You went to Vegas in the sky?
unidentified		I went to Vegas, yeah.
		And I was only 14.
		I didn't even know poker or I didn't even know what crafts were.
		I found out later what they were.
		And anyways, I could hear everything they were saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You realize that suggests there could be gambling on the other side?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		There could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe a roll or two of the craps dice was to determine which direction you were headed.
unidentified		Yeah, I thought about that after I learned about what dice were and what they were used for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is a first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, what happened?
unidentified		What happened was they managed to cut my lungs open and to stick some air into it and suction.
		And they suctioned me out and they sealed up my lungs and I started breathing again.
		I had a tube down my nose, into my throat, into my lungs.
		And that was a worse sensation because I didn't have to breathe.
		It was breathing for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, gotcha.
unidentified		So, yeah, I did have an, I was asleep.
		I was clinically dead.
		I heard them say she's dead.
		She's gone.
		And there's nothing we can do for her.
		She's hemorrhaged out.
		And then all of a sudden, I just woke up and I just said, no, no, no, no, no.
		No, I'm not dead.
		I'm not dead.
		Don't kill me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		So it was quite an experience for me.
unidentified		I haven't forgotten it yet, and I'm 56 years old, and I don't think I ever will to the day I really die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're telling me that while you were there, there were Vegas-like games all around you?
unidentified		All around me.
		And I could see it on this black velvet cloth with the light from above.
		And all these games were being played.
		And poker hands, I did see aces and ace, and I saw Royal Flush in Hearts.
		I remember it in detail because it was something that I never had before, and I never ever repeated it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's great.
		I really appreciate your story.
		Thank you.
		I don't know what to say about that.
		That is a first.
		A Vegas-like scene on the other side.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Might be all right after all, huh?
		That's really a first.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		It's Stephen in Evansville, Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Stephen.
unidentified		Hey, she just said to be glad it didn't come up snake eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First roll snake eyes, and then you're drifting off, you know.
unidentified		Yeah, I had a comment about the program last night.
unidentified		I wanted to tell you a brief ghost story and ask you a question about cloning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot.
unidentified		So I'll make it real quick.
unidentified		The Washington Times had an article today about the global warming, and they basically just poo-pooed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well.
unidentified		Yeah, they said that it was good for us because we were making money off of the crop that we were growing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm familiar with those sorts of stories.
unidentified		My ghost story is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, your ghost story?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Well, I lived with my grandmother until I was seven, and she died.
		And I was in the funeral home, and I was sitting there looking at her, and she sat up in her casket.
		She sat up and turned and looked at me.
		And then someone started talking to me, and when I looked back, she was laying back down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure of what you saw?
unidentified		I'm not sure about that part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, about her sitting up part?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		I saw that.
		Oh, that would be no one else saw it, just me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That wouldn't matter.
		If you saw it, that would be really not good.
		I mean, really not good.
		I mean, wouldn't you saw it?
unidentified		No, I wasn't afraid at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		Forget afraid for a second, even though, yeah, I'd be afraid.
		But wouldn't you scream to everybody, hey, grandma's not dead?
		She just sat up.
unidentified		No, no, I don't know.
		I was just like totally calm about it.
		And then that night, I woke up.
		I was in bed and I woke up.
		Yes.
		And I raised up and looked down and I realized that I was laying on her.
		She was laying across my bed and I was laying on her.
		And I woke up and I said, oh, it's okay, Mama, because I called my grandmother, Mama.
		It's okay, Mama.
		Go back to sleep.
		I'm okay.
		You don't have to worry about me anymore.
		Never saw her again after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
unidentified		And I laid down, went back to sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate the story, sir.
		I don't know what to tell you.
		Yikes.
		That would not be, to me, your average reaction, you know, of somebody who glanced over at grandma who's in the casket, who sits up straight.
		That would produce a near-death experience for me.
		I mean, if somebody sat up straight out of their casket, I'd probably have a heart attack.
		And I'll bet a lot of other people would, too.
		It just, it's wrong.
		In fact, that would probably be a great way to give somebody a heart attack, wouldn't it?
		A little practical joke.
		Sit up maybe with your eyes wide staring at the person.
		You have a hearty give out.
		Eastern the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		Great.
unidentified		I'm calling from Richmond, Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		And my name is Gail.
unidentified		And I was listening to you earlier, and a lady called talking about the waterfall experience she had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Drags.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		60 feet, I believe, she said, through a virtual tunnel, yeah.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, I have something similar to this.
		This was back when I was 16, about 69.
		And it was in New York at Jones Beach in Long Island.
		And I went with my church to a beach party, actually.
		And I was jumping the waves, and I got a little bit too far out.
		And it seemed that the sand just fell, and I fell down into, I don't know if it was a hole or whatever, but it was a deep fall.
		And I was just being thrown around in the water.
		Next thing I knew, I was 16 at the time.
		I was watching myself drown.
		It was an out-of-body experience.
		I wish this lady, I could contact her because I would love to talk to her.
		I had this out-of-body experience where I was actually watching myself drown.
		And I was totally, I was freaking out.
		I was 16.
		And I saw my hair growing around and my eyes were bulging.
		And I didn't know what to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could see it in a detached way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you were...
unidentified		I was standing next to myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Totally detached, yeah.
unidentified		Totally detached.
unidentified		Totally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you remember your feeling?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		I remember it was the most, you know, I've heard people talk about, you know, I'm a dreamer and I've had a lot of different experiences and I was a terminal cancer patient 12 years ago and I've had a lot of experiences.
		But this one, I've heard people talk about the light and the tunnels and the music.
		Well, there was light, but it wasn't, it was as if You are a part of the light.
		It wasn't separate.
		It was as if you were a part of the light.
		And it was the most beautiful light that I've ever, ever seen.
		And there was music.
		And the music was just, it was so clear and it was so beautiful.
		And I've never been able to put this into words until I read a book by Betty Eady Into the Light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course, yes.
unidentified		And she said that music, that water, every drop of water is an exact, the most absolute clarity of music, a note of music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've had Betty Eady on a number of times.
unidentified		Really?
		Oh, my God.
		And she said that this music, each note, each drop of water is a note of music to the most absolute form.
		And when you put it all together as an ocean, it would be the most beautiful sound.
		And the light was the same way.
		It was the most wonderful.
		Once I got over the shock of it, of what was happening to me, and at 16 I didn't talk about it to anybody.
		Not back then, because I would have been put away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know if you had an opportunity to make a choice about whether to come back or not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you want to come back?
unidentified		You know, at that time, I wasn't thinking about it.
		Once I got out of there, once I was back on shore, I wanted to go through it again.
		And I'm 51 now, and I think about this so much.
		I would love to experience this again.
		It was the most wonderful feeling.
		The warmth, the music, the light, just there was so, I know that there's more to this, what we're experiencing now.
		I have no fear of death.
		I don't want to die now when it's my time, fine.
		But when that time comes, I will be so ready for it.
		Because I know that there's more to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's what everybody who's had your experience just about says.
unidentified		To hear her talk about it, when she spoke about her drowning experience, I've never heard anybody else speak about it.
		And when she mentioned the light, I said, I've got to find a way to contact this woman and talk about it with her.
		It was just wonderful.
		It was the most beautiful thing I've ever, ever experienced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would imagine there would be support groups for people who have had experiences of these sort.
		But, you know, they're so rare that I really don't know.
		So I'll see what I can find out.
unidentified		Well, I would appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And I'll listen to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for sharing that.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand a lot of people just would never talk about something like this on my clinically deadline or on the air.
unidentified		Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		Well, I'll be done.
		I've been hitting the redial button for quite a while.
		Amazing.
		I just have a story about something that happened in 1974.
		This is John from Dallas calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, John.
unidentified		And I was seeing a doctor, elderly, and I had a low-grade infection.
		Well, he didn't seem to get rid of it.
		This time he gave me a huge shot of penicillin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what they do.
unidentified		And I heard a buzz in my ears almost as soon as I pulled up my pants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time callers, area code 775-727-1222.
unidentified		Saw this shock on his face, this look, and he said, lay down, lay down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I modified a little bit of what you just said there.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you might understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you said, darn, I wonder what's happening.
unidentified		Yes.
		Oh, okay.
		I forgot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me.
		Yeah, we are on radio.
		But I understand the experience justifies the word.
		It's just that we have these regulations about that sort of thing.
unidentified		Okay, and I laid down on this couch that he had.
		I turned my face to the wall, and I said, I put my trust in God.
		I knew something was happening.
		I didn't know what.
		Well, this is very hard to explain because there didn't seem to be a definite sequence to it, except I was laying there.
		I felt like my, as I said the word God, I felt like my tongue was going to just fall out of my mouth.
		And then I felt this, I heard him, I think I heard him yelling to his wife, and then that's all I remember.
		And I felt this, I can't, I don't know exactly how to describe it, it was like an energy going up through my body and felt like my head was going to blow off.
		And later I found out what that was.
		gave me a shot of adrenaline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But at that moment, And that's what a shot of adrenaline feels like, huh?
unidentified		It was going just like that, loud and louder.
		I just remember grabbing my throat, and that's all I remember.
		I went into this blackness, like a velvety, dark, dark.
		It looked like a curtain coming down.
		And then I was somewhere.
		Don't know where I was.
		Didn't see my body.
		I just was somewhere.
		And it was like a meeting of some kind.
		They were saying, it's not your time.
		You have to go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you actually remember something saying that to you or why?
unidentified		I just heard it.
		Like I just heard it.
		It's not your time.
		You have to go back.
		And I felt this disappointment is the best way I could describe it.
		Sort of like a drop in my energy or a disappointment.
		And then all of a sudden, I saw this golden light.
		I guess they said, well, we'll give him something.
		I don't know.
		I saw this golden light and a voice said, this beautiful voice, it seemed like my own voice.
		It said, God.
		I said, oh, God, you're beautiful.
		And I just kept repeating this.
		Oh, God, you're beautiful.
		And it was just, oh, it was incredible.
		I just kept saying, oh, God, you're beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As though there are no real words.
unidentified		No real words.
		But it was words, my words in my head somehow or somewhere.
		And it was a golden light.
		And then from this golden light, it began to diminish and I saw a light coming forth from it and it was sparkly, very sparkly, but separated.
		And then it began to condense into a form and I said, it's Jesus.
		Oh Jesus, you're beautiful.
		And then it faded away before it became a form that I could recognize exactly.
		It was more of a lot of lights, like millions of lights.
		And then I was aware of people around me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At that point, you were back in your body.
unidentified		Coming back, yes, coming back.
		And I was aware, and I could see the soul or the inner being of each one.
		And I were communicating on a mental level.
		And they were telling me how long they were going to live, how long they were going to be on the earth plane.
		Wow.
		And they were beautiful.
		I was looking into their beauty, into their soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, I've got to leave you.
		I appreciate the story.
		Thank you so much.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbells Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
		We'll be right back.
		Here in the darkness.
		You will believe that I love to win.
		But I love you never be for one day by win.
		What you say is you promise you heaven will you ever win.
		All our times have come.
		Here for the town has gone.
		Seasons don't feel the reaper.
		Nor do the wind and the sun and the rain.
		We can be like chaos.
		Come on baby.
		Don't feel the reaper.
		Baby take my hand.
		Don't feel the reaper.
		We'll be able to fly.
		Don't feel the reaper.
		Baby I'm your man.
		La la la la la la.
		La la la la la la.
		Parasite.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 21st, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You notice all the fear is gone too.
unidentified		Romeo and Juliet, all together in eternity.
		Romeo and...
		40,000 men will never stay.
		40,000 men will never stay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just always seems to somehow, you know, fit right in.
unidentified		Yeah!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		It's been a very unusual program.
		Not frequently do you hear what you're hearing tonight.
		Very, very unusual, actually.
		On the clinically dead line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		My name is Barbara, and I'm calling because I wanted to let you know that I was dead, and I'm an agnostic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're agnostic?
unidentified		Agnostic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were or are?
unidentified		I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened to you?
unidentified		Okay, I was very successful modeling and singing.
unidentified		I was in my 20s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I was a born-again Christian, going to church, doing a lot of charity work, making records, praying for the sick.
		I had a heart condition.
		I still do.
		I'm your age at the present time.
		Well, I started feeling very ill at night, and I went to a telephone booth to try to get help.
		And I started sweating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was one indication of heart trouble.
unidentified		Yes, I was having a heart attack.
unidentified		Heart stoppage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I tried to cross the street.
		I just was so sick.
		I just didn't know what was happening.
		And I did not go through the tunnel.
		I did not see any light.
		I was instantly in this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I take it at some point you didn't make it across the street.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You collapsed right on the street or was it?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
unidentified		At the curb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the curb.
		Yes.
		And you experienced qu your heart stopped?
unidentified		My heart stopped.
		I had had heart trouble all my life.
		I still do.
		Anyhow, I was in this dimension of which there were beautiful beings in like, you know, like they were like lights.
		And you do not speak the way we are right now.
		You speak telepathically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've heard this.
unidentified		They told me so many things of which I cannot remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't remember.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you remember information coming at you from these beings of lights.
unidentified		Yes, I remember that they told me I couldn't stay.
unidentified		It was like a very light room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I once had a young lady who explained it to me as almost like a blue star.
unidentified		No, it wasn't blue.
unidentified		It was like being in an operating room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And it was very light, and I did not feel my body.
		I did not think of my parents.
		I did not think of my boyfriend.
		I did not think of my career, of which, you know, I was really soaring in the right direction.
		I was doing everything good, being a Christian and everything.
		And I begged and pleaded that I could stay.
		And I remember seeing a door, and they would not let me go through.
		They were mean.
		And they really were not very nice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe they knew it was a door you weren't supposed to be going through yet.
unidentified		But it was so beautiful, and I wanted to stay.
		I knew exactly that I wanted to be there.
		And then they told me, you just can't.
		And when I came to, I was in the ambulance.
		My lip was hanging off.
		After I had won several beauty pageants, I lost my looks.
		Oh, my gosh.
		My hair never came in properly.
		I lost everything, my money.
		For all the years, 30 years that I've been on this earth, I have had nothing but bad luck.
		Never gotten married.
		Have no children.
		It's been hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of curiosity, though, even with all of this negativity that's happened to you, having experienced that and knowing that there is something beyond physical death, how can you be agnostic?
unidentified		Because it was almost like as if the beings up there, these entities, they were not angels.
		They were something almost like aliens, you might say, playing a game.
		It was almost like I was being tortured because I was shown a beautiful place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I don't wish to be at all insensitive, but has it occurred to you that perhaps you took the down escalator?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I don't mean that you went to hell, but you didn't exactly, you know, rise up.
unidentified		It was so beautiful up there.
		And telepathically, we were speaking so nicely and everything, but they were stern and very, very insensitive, you might say.
		And when I was in the ambulance and, you know, I was coming alive, and, you know, it was just horrible.
		All I can say is that what I said was darn.
		It was a little worse than darn.
		I mean, I was so disappointed that I had to come back in the condition and that my mission had never been fulfilled.
		I lost my singing voice.
		How do you feel now about death?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a normal fear of death now or an enhanced fear of death?
unidentified		I have an indifferent feeling toward death.
		I feel that when a person dies, you will remember just as you before you were born.
		It'll be nothing.
		Because to go through what I went through and to have to have a life like I've had now is hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but this life, it's so short compared to what awaits.
		I mean, it really is short, you know, the years we're here.
		It's very short, really.
unidentified		Well, I'm your age now, and all I can say is that there might be something.
unidentified		There's a great possibility that there will be something, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's bound to get better, because according to what you've been telling me, it can't get much worse.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's bound to get better, right?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, you know, I came to with no teeth.
unidentified		My teeth were chipped because they had fallen on that teeth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting the picture.
		Oh, you were wrecked.
		So there you are.
		It can do nothing but get better.
		Have a cheery thought for the night and think that.
unidentified		Okay, I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Wow.
		Well, here's another truth about these kinds of stories.
		Now, not all of them are good.
		And you just had a sample of one that was not, and a life that followed that has not been to this point.
		People are really, really, I mean, they're hesitant to tell these kinds of stories anyway.
		But to tell that kind of a story, people are really hesitant.
		So I think by proportion, you hear far fewer than actually occur, if you follow me.
		Wildcard line, you're Annie, or hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hello, my name's Jeff.
		I was in a very severe car accident back on December 6th, 1980.
		I was thrown through the driver's window of the car, landing upon the pavement, and I was knocked unconscious for 33 days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's called a coma, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I was in a coma for 33 days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And I guess on my way through the window of the car, I ripped my stomach open and had this big old scar about a foot and a half long on my belly.
		And anyway, so they thought I had pneumonia because it was like the 6th of December.
		So they give me a tracheomy.
		That's why my voice sounds so deranged.
		And anyway, they took me back to the hospital there in Vernal, Utah.
		They patched me up and then flew me to Salt Lake City, Utah on my flight.
		And there I was in the hospital bed.
		And all of a sudden on January 9th of 81, I started to regain my consciousness.
		And it was like I had three people in the room.
		Myself and two other people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Two other me's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, two other you's.
unidentified		Yeah, two other knees.
unidentified		One was at the foot of the bed and the other one, the good knee, was laying up on the headboard, a three-quarter inch headboard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Do you, sir, remember anything, do you think, of the 33 days that you were just in coma?
		Are there any flashes of anything that you remember of that time?
unidentified		Well, I remember watching the football game that year, the Super Bowl, parts of it, against the Philadelphia Eagles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this during the time that you were in coma?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And my mother kept bringing my cowboy boots and my cowboy hats and all my stuff to the hospital trying to bring my recognizable stuff to the hospital, trying to pull me out.
unidentified		Yes, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember any of that?
unidentified		Vaguely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vaguely.
		All right.
		Anyway, continue.
		There were three of you.
unidentified		Yeah, there's three of me.
		And like the good knee was on the headboard of the bed, and then all of a sudden this the room went dark and then it went, you know, I could see it again.
		I could see the little guy down at the foot of the bed poking his head up.
		And then all of a sudden it was like these two darker objects, little shadow-type objects, grabbed him and it was like they sucking him in.
		And, you know, it was like they've taken him back to hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somewhere else, yeah.
unidentified		And then all of a sudden I seen this really bright light.
		I was in a really bright area.
		And all of a sudden I was going through this curtain.
		And I was walking hand in hand with Jesus Christ.
		And Jesus Christ was in a really beautiful apricot colored robe.
		Really beautiful robe.
		And him and I were walking through this forest of real viny trees, you know, real beautiful.
		And all of a sudden, his hand starts slipping out of mine.
		He says, Jeff, I do not have time to take you back with me now.
		I'm going to leave you on the earth.
		Make something of yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And back you came.
unidentified		And then I woke up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After 33 days.
unidentified		Yeah, after 33 days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's interesting.
		That's the near-death experience of a Christian.
		Now, I wonder what would have happened if he'd been Buddhist.
		I wonder if it would have been Buddha.
		Or would a Buddhist be surprised, shocked, and dismayed to find it was Jesus?
		You ever wonder about that?
		I've wondered a lot about that.
		On my clinically deadline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Crystal from Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Crystal.
unidentified		I haven't really had a near-death experience, but I almost did kind of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, almost did kind of.
		This is an absolute mind, Crystal.
		I mean, clinical death is clinical death.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I had a vision in front of me, and I screamed out a voice that I didn't know where it came from, and that's what happened, pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I'm going to hold it right there, and I understand, but again, that's a clinical death line.
		That's a very specific restriction to that line, and I'm not sure that a simple vision qualifies.
		We're talking about clinical death here, cessation of breathing, cessation of the heart and the pumping of blood and so forth.
		You know, real clinical death.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		This is Francis, and I'm in Clearwater, Florida.
		Welcome.
		Thank you.
		And this happened back in 1988, and I had been very, very close to my deceased grandmother.
		And she had been on my mind for two or three days constantly.
		And I mentioned this to a friend, and a friend told me that when I went to bed that night to ask my grandmother, evidently she had something to tell me, and ask her to come to me in a dream and tell me what she had to say and help me remember it in the morning.
		Now, one of the facts was, regrettably, I was near the very, very end of alcoholism.
		And when you are like that, you pass out.
		You don't normal dream and you don't normal sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Blackout time.
unidentified		I was not having dreams.
		But anyway, I did what my friend suggested, and this sounds gruesome, but it was not frightening at all.
		I knew it was a message from her.
		I was sitting on a dusty porch, and there was a real dusty, dirt road in front of me.
		And out of the sky, this little 50 or 60 pound creature fell in the middle of the road.
		And it was not quite a skeleton, which I assumed was dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But it wasn't quite alive.
unidentified		It had, it was starting to miss hair and flesh, and it looked horrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
unidentified		But as I looked at it, it raised up and looked at me in the face.
		And when our eyes connected, I realized that that was me, that I was, I could go either way.
		I was on the verge.
		And like I said, it wasn't frightening.
		And the next morning, when I did remember this, I really felt like my grandmother was saying, please, I'm showing you how close you are.
		Do something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe that was the bottom that most alcoholics talk about, huh?
unidentified		That was that morning.
unidentified		I called AA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And away you went.
		Listen, I'm sorry, I don't mean to cut you short, but the program is ending.
		And I want to take a moment first to thank everybody for an incredible night tonight, no doubt about it.
		And also, if I might, to take just a second to wish all of you truly a Merry Christmas.
		And of course, we'll be here between Christmas and the new year for predictions, as we do every year.
		But I really wanted to say Merry Christmas and leave you with the song that Crystal Gale sang for me.
unidentified		Ta-ta.
		Ta-ta.
		Midnight in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
		This magical journey will take us on a rise.
		Filled with belonging, searching for the truth.
		We make it to tomorrow with the sun shine on you.
		Midnight in the desert, and we're listening to you.
		Less than you.
		Midnight in the desert, and there's wisdom in the air.
		I've been looking for the answer.
		All my life I found you there.
		Has the world we live in quite dumb?
		Are we heating all the time?
		Have we lost our enemies?
		We're shown.
		Are we running out of time?
		Midnight in the desert.
		And we're left now.

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