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Dec. 18, 2001 - Art Bell
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So, more news coming up in a moment.
Woodley Striebel.
Woodley, who's been a, I don't know, a friend now for, I don't know, we'll have to rummage over that.
It's been a long time.
He, of course, is the host of Dreamland on Saturdays now, and He's got, well, as you know, Whitley and I wrote a book called The Coming Global Superstorm.
Maybe you didn't know that.
Well, we did.
And it was about rapid climate change, an idea, you know, at the time that we wrote the book, that was outlandish.
Now, those aren't my words.
Those are the words of some pundants and thought of as pretty wild stuff by some TV anchors.
Now, of course, there's some pretty late-breaking news that would tend to vindicate our point of view with regard to rapid climate change.
We'll talk a little bit about that in a minute.
First, the war news.
Many Afghan tribal fighters have apparently taken off from the White Mountains on Tuesday, saying basically they've won.
They've defeated Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terror network.
Only a few hundred of the estimated 1,000 to 2,000 Al-Qaeda forces were reported to have been either killed or captured.
Now isn't that a few hundred of the estimated 1,000 to 2,000?
Others may have fled the bombing.
And many senior Taliban officials have slipped away into Pakistan where they're being protected by Pakistani authorities and money talks.
And you know about the rest, right?
The United States is entering a new phase in the war now, in Afghanistan.
And apparently, this stage is the, we're going cave to cave stage, and we're going to find Bin Laden.
Checking cave by cave.
That would be a dangerous job, to be sure.
So if you'll stay put right where you are, Whitley Strieber coming up.
Then in the next hour, electronic voice phenomena.
Voices from the other side.
It is astounding.
Brennan Cook and Barbara Macbeth both are amazing people who do what they do with no remuneration.
They don't get paid for it.
They don't write books.
They don't do anything.
They just do what they do because they love it.
It's an astounding phenomenon.
It really is an astounding phenomenon, particularly in view of the lady Pam that I had on and some of the stories I've been hearing recently about People who have not just had near-death experiences, but death experiences.
I'm on the track of several right now, just amazing, just blow-you-away kind of stories.
So, coming up in a moment.
If you want to know what the weather is going to be like, if you want to know what's coming,
then you're going to want to listen because we were right then and we're right now.
Let me read you a very, very quick story that I just received tonight, not an hour ago.
Planet Earth's average temperature in 2001 is expected to be the second highest since global records began 140 years ago, according to the UN Weather Agency.
World Meteorological Organization Deputy Secretary, the Deputy Secretary General of it said, Warming temperatures led to an increase in the severity and frequency of storms and droughts and other unusual weather conditions.
Temperatures are getting hotter and they are getting hotter faster now than any time in the past.
I'm still quoting.
Since nine of the ten warmest years in the last four decades have occurred since 1990 and temperatures, now get this, are rising Three times faster than in the early 90s.
That was the W.E.
Secretary General of the World Meteorological Organization, and that story is just breaking.
Whitley, welcome to the program.
Good to be here, Ark.
Great to have you.
From San Antonio, as always, right?
Yeah, that's right.
Okay, well that was kind of an interesting little story, wasn't it?
Yeah, indeed it was, and it just is a sort of a sign of what's happening.
You know, we have, with the National Academy of Sciences sort of announcement just a couple of days ago, that abrupt climate change is a real possibility. A lot of things have changed. Among
them, our book, which was, I think, in reviewing another book in Booklist, another
book about the weather, they made, Booklist makes reference to our book being preposterous,
which is sort of the way the media took our book. Oh yes.
Like you were saying a few minutes ago. I certainly remember, yes.
Now, we've got the National Academy of Sciences saying that abrupt climate change is a very real possibility.
Right.
And, you know, it's really a good thing that they finally have effaced this, because one of the points that I think that you and I, when we were working on the book, found was that there's absolutely no monitoring of the of the strength of ocean current.
There's some, I take that back, but it's not the kind of detailed monitoring that is needed.
Now with the National Academy of Sciences weighing in on this and saying specifically
that ocean currents are the problem, they particularly mention the Gulf Stream.
Well, they do because of course if it slows or disintegrates virtually,
which is certainly a possibility they're saying now, they're admitting,
Europe would roughly be subjected to a climate which would approximate that of Alaska.
Right.
It would be an unparalleled disaster for Europe.
But during the process of it happening, once the Gulf Stream stops, really, to an extent, depending on the time of year when it happens,
there's evidence from the past, by the way, that this has happened before. I want to get
into the causes of it, because there's some very interesting new data that suggests that this
might not be entirely man-made, that we may be the equivalent of a medium-sized volcano, but not
necessarily the whole cause of the thing.
Oh, I never imagined that we were. There are cycles and cycles within cycles, and then there's
man's hand, and he only has a small part of it. I think the National Academy of Sciences and other
or...
Organizations like the Meteorological Associations are definitely realizing what's going on now.
The people that are not realizing what's going on are our leaders.
Now, so far, they're just ignoring what these agencies are saying.
And I'm not surprised because of the economic implications of having to, you know, deal with it, grasp it, and understand what it's going to mean.
Right.
Well, of course, you know, there's a real open question about that, because take a company like DuPont, which went on a program of massively reducing its atmospheric emissions just as a company.
Of course, DuPont being a chemical company, it has heavy-duty emissions.
And what they found was that a program that they had budgeted millions of dollars for
became so cost effective so quickly that it's become a profit center.
Because in reducing their emissions, they increased their efficiency so much, they also
reduced their costs.
Well, emissions as a general rule, Whitley, when you're talking about energy, emissions
or significant emissions absolutely equate to efficiency.
Exactly.
Everything they're setting up a smokestack is something that they're not selling.
It's waste.
It's just a waste of.
In other words, it's energy going up in smoke.
Right.
So, the question of whether or not it would cost a great deal of money is really an open one.
It might not.
It might mean that a lot of companies could use this as a means of getting much more efficient and maybe getting a government subsidy to do it.
Well, I think what most people want to know, most Americans, I mean, even with Europe, believe it or not, we sit here and we say, Europe could turn into Alaska, and they go, oh, well, too bad for Europe.
Right.
But if we have a full global climate change, one thing you might explain to people is what it could mean for them.
Well, in our book, and in a number of other places, most notably in a long article in the Atlantic Monthly a
few years ago and in some scientific studies about the last time there was a climate upheaval
like this which was about 15,000 B.C. there was evidence that it happened very suddenly over
a single season and apparently what occurred then was methane poured into the atmosphere
as the sun and we'll talk about the sun's role in this in a few minutes. Oh it's got a big
one. A big one. It heated the earth up and the glaciers began to melt. As they melted the
permafrost melted and this caused an outgassing of methane which is also happening now
in the Arctic. And in fact the permafrost is melting.
I saw it for myself.
It was pretty kind of sad to see, actually.
Alaskans could call and tell you all about it.
Yeah, they are really experiencing it very personally up there, what's happening.
but in any case when this happens
it create it makes the atmosphere so uniformly warm the gulf stream which is depend depends on the water being
cold in the north and warm in the south
generate the current that it way the the
the the energy that's generated by the different temperatures
of water what cause the current to flow.
Just exactly the way differing energies in high and low weather systems, when you're in between them, you'll notice a great deal of energy in the form of wind or whatever.
Right.
You know, the opposites.
They generate energy in between.
And the Gulf Stream is like that.
It's a sort of a permanent kind of a jet stream structure under the Atlantic.
Oh, that's a good analogy.
Yeah.
Now, if that stops, what happens, what the fossil record suggests happens, is there is one whale of a storm.
And the reason is that the warm air has been being pumped up from the Arctic and has filled, I mean from the equator and from the tropics, and has filled the Arctic.
The Gulf Stream therefore collapses, and when it does, there's suddenly nothing pushing that warm air up there anymore, and the cold air that has been pushed all the way into the upper atmosphere, the cold comes pouring down.
And you have a blizzard that basically covers the whole northern half of the northern hemisphere.
We've never seen a storm like that.
We don't really know what it would be like.
We don't know, for example, if the Earth could sustain an organized single storm that big.
But one thing we do know is that...
It would sustain it.
It would stand it.
You mean whether it could actually... whether there would be sufficient energy to form it.
Well, whether or not weather...
Atmospheric structures that big can exist on the Earth.
But what we do know is if it's not one big storm, then it's certainly a series of smaller
ones.
And by smaller, I mean four or five of them, each... blizzards each the size of a large
That's right, but the same end effect.
You've got a sudden global climate change, and now they're saying, yes, it's likely to happen.
And look, they can look back, tree rings and all these geologic methods they have, and they can damn well see that it's happened before.
Well they, exactly, it happened about 15,000 years ago and it has been painstakingly pointed out by some scientists that this was very violent and a very intense thing and most of them don't want to face that and it's why we ran into trouble like when we were out on TV because people just don't want to face it.
I know.
and you know what we really ought to be doing is just forget the emotions and objectively
figure out what's really going on and plan for whatever we have to plan for.
Ah, but you see that requires the leaders that I was talking to you about a little while
ago to realize that these agencies, forget listening to us, you know, these agencies
that they sustain with government money, our money, that they listen to them and they're
not listening to them because the implications of listening to them are, well they're not
something they can face up to.
Right.
They just can't.
And especially because of the fact that the United States Congress and the administration, all of them are heavily influenced by by lobbyists who are saying that this isn't a problem.
And unfortunately, a lot of different companies and industries that could benefit from reducing their emissions are Working on the assumption that that would be a very costly process that they would not be able to recover from, and that it would cost them a lot of economic hardship, when the opposite, at least according to DuPont's experience, is true.
Is true.
Whitley, let me again ask you, people in the United States, people in this country, people listening right now, or in Canada, you know, in North America, what would North America, if such a shift occurred, and rapidly, If it occurred, what would we likely experience?
Well, I think it would be an unimaginable disaster for us.
Well, give us some idea of what scale.
What do you mean?
You would see blizzards reaching down into the central United States that in their centers and in the northern reaches would be essentially not survivable.
In all probability, that's what I think.
I think that you would see the destruction, essentially, of Canada.
And the United States would be very, very severely damaged if we're right about the speed of this.
And as I say, I think we are.
I think the evidence is there that it has happened like this in the past.
This is what, of course, the media, they don't want to alarm people.
Well, now though, there are a lot of warnings.
The ones we've been talking about.
I read you one.
You referred to the other one.
Uh, they are starting to issue these warnings.
Uh, why do you think, suddenly, uh, what, I mean, after all, uh, the news of prior rapid climate change, you know, has been around, or has been known, certainly, to, uh, geologists for a long time, Whitley, so why now are these agencies making public statements like this?
It always worries me when this happens, because it's a sign that it might be too late.
But, you know, Right before you and I went out on our author tour for the Superstorm book, there was an unbelievable wild winter in Europe.
Oh yes.
And some scientists at the University of Norway said that the Gulf Stream had slowed down, which is what had caused this winter situation.
Now, this was the destruction of hundreds of millions of trees, It nearly blew over the steeple at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris.
130 mile an hour winds roaring across Europe.
I recall, I remember the reports, yes.
Stunning!
And that was associated with just the slowing of the Gulf Stream.
Right.
The energies that are involved in this are unimaginable.
We think of the Earth as belonging to us, but nature on Earth is much, much more powerful
and much bigger than we are even now. Well, I think what we think is that because
it's never changed in our lifetimes, it's hard for us to imagine nature from our point of view
turning against us in such a way.
It's just hard to imagine.
It's one of those stable things, like you say, standing on the earth.
Nature just doesn't do that.
There's weather ups and downs, but there's sort of A general average that's pleasing to humanity.
Well, that may not always be so.
Bottom of the hour, Whitley, and we'll be right back.
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Good morning, everybody.
I want to quote just a little bit here from The National Academy of Sciences, because we spoke about it, but we didn't tell you what they said in part.
Now, this is a byline Robert C. Cohen, a special with the Christian Science Monitor, and the headline is interesting.
It says, Be prepared.
Sudden shifts in climate coming.
If you're concerned about forecasts of long-term global warming, you might be worried about the wrong thing.
The U.S.
National Academy of Sciences warns that sudden Unexpected climate change on a scale that could cause widespread drought or plunge Earth into a deep freeze poses a more immediate danger.
The evidence, embedded in ancient tree rings and ice cores, are signs that quick, drastic change is a fundamental characteristic of Earth's climate.
Data show that the climate can switch abruptly from one mode, such as an ice age, to another, such as a milder interglacial period.
Climateologists say.
We'll be right back.
One more line here from the National Academy of Sciences.
This is just out.
In a sense, the report notes, humanity has been living in the meteorological equivalent of a fool's paradise.
These are strong words from these people.
Wendley?
Strong words, indeed.
Yeah, a fool's paradise.
Right.
Well, you know, I was thinking when you were reading the story about the National Science Foundation that people must be wondering, well, what is the signal?
Is there anything that can give us some kind of warning?
And actually, there is.
Well, for one thing, I'd say the first story that I read, you know, it's increasing exponentially at the moment.
That's certainly got to happen.
Just prior to some large event of this sort, it's like the earth rattling before a volcano goes kapooey.
Well, what worries me about the way this has changed, and it has changed a lot in two years, it's easy enough for them to say, well, we always knew this, but boy, when you and I were out there, they surely didn't seem to know it.
No, not then.
No.
I know.
Now, one of the things, I have on my website, which is unknown country dot com on the home page down the left hand column the first thing you see as you go down there is something that says what's new and in what's new there is a section called quick watch you click on it and that takes you to four or five different data points the water temperatures in the
far north Atlantic, on the east Scotia slope, this is right in the Gulf Stream.
Right.
And the temperature at the magnetic north pole, the air temperature, polar ice cap status,
the condition of the Gulf Stream, and something called Straddle Alert,
which tells us whether or not the upper atmosphere is warmer than it should be.
That's right. And why would the upper atmosphere be changing temperature?
One big reason would be the sun.
Well, right.
The sun is going through some pretty interesting cycles.
Very unusual stuff is going on.
You bet.
We should be way on the downside now of the cycle, but it's going berserk up there.
Had another giant X-class flare the other day.
I associate a great deal of human behavior, frankly, with the activity on the sun.
The sunspot level is at 210 right now.
That's correct, yes.
Which is way higher than it should be.
Right.
But this is reflected in a very unexpected place, which is on Mars.
Mars is melting.
I know.
Which is totally unexpected that the Martian polar caps are melting right now.
You know, when they announced that the other day, when I came on the air and I said, you know, how come they tell us the ice caps on Mars are about to melt?
And reminding myself we're the third out from the sun here, right?
Third right from the sun.
And so if they're going to be affected in that manner, then for gosh sakes, why didn't the people who did this report ask any questions about the effect on the third planet?
Right.
Well, they should have.
Well, short and right, they should have.
Because we're here, and we're closer to the Sun and Mars.
That's right.
That was my figuring, too.
That was my figuring, too.
I don't know what to say except, again, I think there's this intentional, I don't know, head in the sand thing as far as a lot of people are concerned.
They just cannot think about it willingly and I don't know how we're going to get them to.
It's intentional on the part of people who feel like they have something to lose by facing it.
Big companies primarily and the politicians who go with them.
I think that the average person is perfectly willing to face it, and not only that, I think we have any number of ways of getting around this.
I think that we can probably learn to live with the changed climate.
Well, I imagine so.
I've been getting some interesting calls because, of course, the weather has been so cattywampus.
Right.
Here right now, at this very moment, it's below freezing near Death Valley at 30.9 degrees.
It's 30.9.
And I get these emails from people in the Northeast and the Upper Midwest who are saying, oh man, we love this.
What are you talking about?
This is great.
We're so happy, yeah.
Well, see, everybody's pretty much a short-term thinker.
It's a great day out there, hot diggity, but they're not thinking to what this change might be a precursor to.
Right.
Well, to give you an idea of how wacky things really are, right now, if you were to go out into the depths of the North Atlantic in the middle of December, You would think the water would be pretty cold.
Real cold.
It's 60.
What?
Did you say 60?
60.
Today.
At 11 a.m.
today, on the East Scotia Slope, the water temperature was 60.6 degrees.
Oh my god.
It's quite far above normal.
The thing that you have to watch for, and this is, we monitor this regularly on our website and Believe me, anybody who watches it will find out very quickly if this change is a sudden drop in this temperature, because it would mean that the Gulf Stream had collapsed.
We used to monitor an even better buoy, by the way.
This buoy has been set up by the Canadians.
It's a Canadian boy, but the one that I mentioned specifically in the part of that section of
Superstorm was taken down by the U.S. government.
It was taken down.
Taken down, right, on the banks.
Better not to look.
Better not to look, not to let us look.
But you know, one of the things also I think that people don't like to hear is the idea
that it's their fault.
It's our fault.
Oh, I see.
I see.
But this is a much larger thing.
I mean, if there's global warming going on on Mars, obviously it's not all our fault.
No.
Actually, whether the hand of man plays much of a percentage part in it at all is a totally open question.
We can probably slow it down and speed it up, but we can't ultimately change it.
Only at the margins do we have any effect at all, if we would even notice that in my opinion.
Well, no one can be sure, but we probably could have some effect on it.
We could probably, if the process is indeed oriented towards human activity as they claim, then presumably we could have some effect on it if we were to reduce our emissions.
But the last time it happened, what occurred was, as I was saying earlier, the perifrost melted.
That melt was triggered, not triggered, by people setting, uh, with, uh, building campfires.
Because, you know, there wasn't that many people around at that time.
Right.
Uh, it was triggered.
It had to have been triggered by the sun.
There's no other heat source that could have done it.
And whatever the sun did then, it appears to be doing again.
And will it do it enough to cause this whole process to occur or not?
We... we don't know.
But one thing we should do is we should certainly keep watch on it and we, and science, should try to understand it instead of holding their head in the sand.
So this National Science Foundation thing is a good, it's a good step forward because they are finally saying that, yes, there is a problem.
Of course, nobody bothered to say that we were right, but that's... That would not be expected.
No.
You know, now I'll get out on a limb a little bit, Whitley.
Other than the scientific evidence and now what these organizations are saying, all fine and well.
But back when we wrote the book, I knew instinctually, emotionally, I don't know, maybe even psychically, as we're all psychic to some degree.
Not to any special degree in my case, thank you.
But I just knew, I felt in my gut that we were on the verge of a gigantic weather change.
And that's all emotional stuff, but it's important to me.
I'm rarely wrong about these things, and I felt it so, so strongly, and I still do.
Well, I have felt the sense of there being a change of some kind in the wind for a while.
I guess when we were starting to go on the tour, and I was beginning to see this horrible weather in Europe, I wasn't really surprised.
Right.
You know something that came across my desk just today?
This is from the German magazine Der Spiegel, a listener to Dreamland sent this to me.
It turns out, you speak of wild weather, that the German cruise ship Bremen last February was taking an Antarctic cruise when the ship encountered A hundred and fifteen foot wave that came out of nowhere and nearly capsized it.
Rogue wave.
Rogue wave, a la the Poseidon Adventure.
Sure.
I mean, and, uh, the cruise line successfully covered the whole thing up.
The story was not, didn't make the news, and they claim that there was no damage and nobody was hurt.
But one of the passengers claims that he saw bodies in the war.
So, uh, according to Der Spiegel, which is a pretty ripped at the time magazine of Germany.
Wow.
I wonder how they kept this story of that magnitude under wraps.
I mean, I can understand that a cruise company wouldn't, uh, reach out to publicize something like that.
Well, I think it's because they, they, they, uh, uh, when they came back, they came into Argentina and it's, It's just very far from everywhere, and they did it successfully.
So I think that's how they did it.
The remarkable thing about it is, though, I think that 115 feet is about the largest wave that's ever been observed.
And interestingly enough, there is an organization that has been set up to study Basically to study rogue waves and these extremes that are taking place and there's evidence but it's not entirely clear that this is happening but that there is more and more of this taking place that it's not that it's a rapidly growing phenomena.
Well another attitude that's out there and and I do understand this attitude to a large degree is uh look um maybe you guys are right But there's not a damn thing we can do about it.
There's really nothing, ultimately, we can do about it.
It's forces that are way beyond our control, and to some degree.
I mean, those people are correct.
They are correct.
At a personal level, you say to yourself, you know, if the Earth's climate changes, what am I going to do about it?
Well, that's where I think that we underestimate ourselves.
The human species has got a tremendous amount of ingenuity and energy, and I have a feeling that if we really tackled this, there would be all kinds of unexpected changes that we would be able to make, that we can't even imagine right now.
Well, try this one out for size, Whit.
Let's imagine for a second, and I think I believe this, that our government at some level Uh, understands and has indeed absorbed these reports and understands what may lie ahead.
One could imagine that, um, all sorts of, uh, a covert... I mean, after all, before these public statements are made by these UN organizations and our own meteorological organizations, you know that others were consulted before it was made public, so... Right.
I mean, they know, so an open question would be, Could there be ongoing experimental programs trying to avert what's coming?
Well of course that's one of the things that the chemtrails people claim.
That there isn't such a program.
Over the Pahrump Valley earlier today we had heavy all-day type chemtrail activities.
It's really starting up again in my area.
But, yeah, that's one of the things they say.
Do you imagine it to be possible, Woodley, that there, whether it's chemtrails or something else, that there is an effort to somehow modify or lessen what may be coming?
I think that such an effort, yeah, and I would think that there might be a lot of reasons to keep it secret, too.
Among them, the concerns about The economy, the insurance industry, which would take an unbelievable hit on its stock, on its shares, if anything like this was made public.
The fear factor, people wanting to move away from seacoasts or away from areas that they feared might be vulnerable.
All the implications are unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
And so it's inevitable that if there is an effort to To do something about this like, for example, trying to reduce the amount of light reaching the planet by the use of something like chemtrails.
I think it is a very good question. I think it is a very good question. I think it is
a very good question. I think it is a very good question. I think it is a very good question.
I think it is a very good question. I think it is a very good question.
I think it is a very good question. I think it is a very good question.
I don't see how they could...
I mean, I really don't.
I think that any kind of project like that would be a last ditch effort.
There's a lot of evidence that others have existed.
I mean, look at the city off Cuba now.
Look at all the other archaeological evidence building up.
And maybe it's always a race from the formation of intelligent man.
And I'm obviously suggesting intelligent man has been around before and gone.
Maybe it's always a race, Whit, from the time man steps foot on Earth and begins to grasp some sort of technology, whether it be like ours or very different.
A race to see whether he can beat the elements getting him.
Right.
And in some cases, we haven't beat the elements.
You know, that city is absolutely amazing.
It's 2300 feet under the ocean which means it must be incredibly ancient.
What took it down to a depth like that if it's not like...
No pun intended, Whitley.
Some rapid change.
Some very, very rapid change.
The area hasn't been as far as we understand it above water in thousands and thousands
of years.
Incidentally, an interesting thing is happening with that.
Incidentally, an interesting thing is happening with that.
The National Geographic Society was supposed to go there this summer and now because of
The National Geographic Society was supposed to go there this summer.
Now because of 9-11 and what they described as Cuban red tape...
9-11 and what they described as Cuban red tape, it's being put off.
It's interesting.
I'm not surprised.
9-11, of course, stopped everything kind of for a while.
For a while, yeah.
There's obviously more to it that we are probably to know sometime in the future.
No, right now there's more to it though.
Well, somebody takes a tremendous interest in our not knowing too much about the past.
For example, a good friend of mine found out quite by accident that there is very heavy
duty classified...
To hear more about this and other things, Willie, we're at the end of the hour.
lives. Now what possible, why would something made, allegedly made by Indians using kites
thousands of, a thousand years ago be of any, why would it have to be classified? I don't
know. To hear more about this and other things, Willie, we're at the end of the hour. You
do Dreamland, which airs Saturday, I think, from 6 to 10 Pacific Time, right? It airs
Saturday night, 6 to 10 Pacific Time.
Fascinating subject.
Thank you, brother.
Thank you for being here.
Thanks for having me.
Take care.
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You are about to hear voices from the other side.
That's exactly what you're going to hear, voices from the other side.
It's called electronic voice phenomenon.
And we keep having Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth back because their material is absolutely incredible and credible.
Incredible and credible.
And they're credible.
They don't take a penny for what they do.
They don't write books, at least not yet.
They're not selling anything.
They just do what they do because they're fascinated.
And I've got to tell you, I have them on for the same reason.
Now, I had Pam Reynolds on about a week ago.
Pam Reynolds came closer to making me a believer, a firm believer, I might add, in the other side, in the fact that we exist after we die, than any program that I've done to date.
And I've done a bunch.
That program had a profound effect on me.
That woman, that woman, well, she died.
She died.
All the blood drained from her body, all of her blood gone.
Her heart stopped.
Her brainwaves, zero.
Almost an hour.
An hour.
Dead.
And yet, this lady was able to describe what went on during the operation.
In linear time, she could account for the hour that she was D-E-A-D, dead.
We're gonna have her doctor, we're on the trail of getting her doctor on, too, by the way, who will, uh, attest to all of that, so...
When you hear something like that, if it does not have a very profound effect on you, then you just weren't listening.
I mean, where was Pam for that hour?
She was dead, only her consciousness wasn't.
So, that comes pretty close for me, to the kind of proof that I've been searching for, that there is life on the other side, and electronic voice phenomena, Would seem also to underscore that very heavily, and that's why we keep having Brendan and Barbara back tonight.
You're going to hear never-heard recordings, never-before-heard recordings that have been recorded on blank audio tape.
They have certain protocols for what they do, you know.
They have absolutely brand-new audio tape that's never had any recording on it before.
and these two tromp off to places like cemeteries and prisons and they've been all over the place and they record and what they come up with sometimes is a little worrisome sometimes is just comforting sometimes you know it depends on how you take it and how you feel about your knowledge and your belief of what's going to come
after you pass out of the physical world.
After all, we're not here all that long, any of us on this mortal earth, are we?
So I think you truly will find the next several hours enlightening in more ways than one if you
listen to it with an open mind and know that these two, as I said, are very credible at presenting
the incredible. And I know it sounds incredible, but maybe not so much if you listen to Pam Reynolds.
Stay right there.
Well, the official little intro bio reads, uh, Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society.
The Ghost Investigators Society, or GIS, we'll call it, you'll hear us refer to GIS a lot, is a non-profit organization dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
Not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, educate anyone who believes they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena, or those who are just simply curious.
Brendan and Barbara have recordings of ghost voices, also called EVP.
And I've known about that all my life.
Electronic Voice Phenomena stands... EVP stands for Electronic Voice Phenomena.
The phenomena occurs when the voices of a spirit Interrupt an electromagnetic field EMF so in turn using audio tape in other words from a microcassette recorder Reveals these voices whereas before they couldn't be heard by a human ear Kind of the same way with a dog whistle the dog in this case being the audio recorder We as humans cannot pick up the sound of this dog whistle Because the frequency is simply too high We don't even know it's being sounded
But the dog, on the other hand, instantly notices because his eardrum is designed to hear higher frequencies than we can.
The audio recorder uses magnets to record on tape.
When an electromagnetic field is interrupted, such as when paranormal activity occurs, this in turn affects the tape.
In other words, electronic voice phenomena.
It's eerie.
It's strange to listen to.
And here, once again, would be Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth.
Hello, you two.
Hello, Art.
Good evening, Art.
Great to have you.
You two are up north someplace or another, right?
Yeah, we're in Utah.
Utah.
That's north from me.
OK.
Did you, either one of you or both of you, happen to hear the show that I did with Pam Reynolds?
I didn't.
No.
Oh, that's too bad.
And I did want to hear it, and I Usually, I'm either out on a ghost investigation or sleeping.
I know you two are very, very busy, I know.
Well, it was as I described a little while ago, you know, all the blood gone from the body.
Maybe there was one thing that I didn't add, no heartbeat and measured absolutely not one neuron firing, no neural activity, brain death for an hour.
Death, brain death, no neural activity.
I have heard about her, and I really would have liked to have heard that show.
Right.
But, you know, nobody can answer the question, where was Pam for that hour?
Where was she?
Where could she possibly have been?
How in heaven's name could she have described what went on in the operating room in incredible detail, accounting for the hour, plus accounting for where she went?
To the other side, meeting relatives and the whole thing.
It is a profound story.
It is.
Totally backed up by every medical record you could imagine.
And if that doesn't cause you to start believing that there's consciousness after death, then I don't know what will.
And I'm pretty hard to convince.
I've always been a doubter on the subject.
I personally believe that the consciousness continues on.
Oh, the body dies.
We do continue.
There's been too many documented cases of, not in the extreme of hers, but people that have been pronounced clinically dead.
That's right.
And have experienced.
That's right.
But you see, one argument always made by the critics in cases like that would be, well,
you know the brain doesn't die instantly.
It takes the brain a little bit of time to die and during that process people see, you
know, it dies from the outside moving inward and so they tend to see a white light or something
in the middle and that's how a lot of neurologists have explained away this phenomena that so
many millions now have experienced.
But in the case of Pam, it's a little harder to explain that one away because there was
no activity, zero brain activity measured by some of the best medical people in the
entire world.
So, that's a little different.
Well, I have no doubt about what she experienced.
And the question is, the nature of the other side, other than what she's on, and she admittedly I was told early on that she had to go back. She was not
admitted to a much higher, she was at what she thought was a very low level of the other side. And I'm constantly
struggling, and I'm sure a lot of my audience is too, to try to understand the nature of the other side. Where are
these people, these souls, these consciousnesses, these entities, where are they?
Well, you know, I for one tend to believe that humans may not even be capable of understanding the other side, at
least to a certain degree.
Um...
As for where are they, I believe they're almost at another plane, but yet they're still stuck in this plane at the same time.
Different dimensions.
Yeah, different dimensions, I suppose.
I do think that there's different levels of the other side.
Okay, but all right, let's go to electronic voice phenomena.
So much of what you get on tape appears to me or seems to be a direct response to something that a living, breathing human being has said, provoked, or asked.
Yes, many of them are responding to what is taking place at the time or being said at the time.
Exactly.
So that would indicate to me that they must have a much clearer view from their side of our dimension, or whatever word you want to use, than we have of theirs.
Yes, because it's consciousness.
They're not inhibited by the physical being.
The other thing I get from listening to the Electronic Voice Phenomena is that we probably don't change much.
If we are warm, loving people when we kick the bucket, then there's a good chance we're warm, loving spirits on the other side.
If we're miserable bastards here, then we're probably miserable bastards over there.
I believe that.
And that's, to me, what some of your recordings have sort of shown.
I don't see why death would alter our personalities when our consciousness continues.
So there's, you know, all manner of spirit on the other side, I guess.
Angry people, greedy people, people with avarice.
Is there avarice on the other side?
There's jealousy on the other side.
There's hatred.
Probably guys looking at their wives getting remarried, going nuts over on the other side.
You know, on and on, yes, on and on, indeed.
Have you ever had, before we get into these, have you ever had communication from a spirit which you thought was at a different, or in a different place, a different realm?
There are many who feel that only one level above us can communicate back to us, but that not other higher levels.
I, that would be hard to say.
I believe that the ones, this is all just theory, you know, I, I don't think it's just theory.
Sure.
But, um, I believe that the voices that we record are stuck in this plane that's with us.
I think that they have not gone on to where they should go.
I think that they are stuck here for some reason, whatever reason they haven't, resolve something or they don't realize they're dead, they're in the same realm unseen by us.
I think that people that have continued on to where they go and are experienced by one of their loved ones or something like that, they're coming back for a purpose.
But the ones that we record, I believe, are still around us.
Uh, and again, just like they were in life, pretty much.
Not a whole lot of difference.
Right.
That's my own personal belief.
Why do you two continue to do this?
I mean, uh, I realize that probably buying a tape recorder is not an... And by the way, folks, you can do what they are doing if you want to.
If you have the colonies for it and want to get a tape recorder and wander off into a cemetery for a while, hey, Have at it, you'll get results and then you'll believe yourself.
In the meantime though, why are you two doing this?
You're not realizing any financial gain from it, no books yet, no CD sales or I don't know, whatever all you might be able to do, you haven't done it.
Why?
You know, for me personally, it's just utterly fascinating.
I mean, that's really what it comes down to.
I know, but how can you afford your fascination?
Well, sometimes it's not easy.
It's a lot of hard work is what it is.
A lot of sacrificing.
This is a priority with us and we set it as a priority.
It's not just merely a hobby.
Well, what do you want to know?
What do the two of you want to know?
I sort of articulated what I want to know.
I want to know the nature of the other side.
You two, at this point, as deep into it as you are, what are the questions that you're wanting to answer from your research?
You know, what we want to know is almost exactly what you just said.
We want to understand the nature of what the other side is, as far as we can understand it.
That's why we ask questions of what is it like on your side, where are you at, what do you see, that kind of thing.
You don't get a lot of detailed answers, do you?
No.
And you don't get a lot of long answers.
You tend to get either one word or a short sentence and only very occasionally a long sentence, but that's about the best it gets, right?
That's right.
There's a real phenomenon taking place.
It is really too bad that mainstream science doesn't look at this phenomenon because it does exist.
I agree.
Oh, I agree with you.
And just so, once again, before we get into them, the rules that you follow, your own rules, are very strict.
You never use any pre-recorded tape ever, ever, ever, right?
That's correct.
Um, we will, if we listen to a tape, uh, and we re-listen to it, and if we don't hear any EVPs on it, we throw the tape away.
So you've got to go through a lot of tapes, then, don't you?
We go through hundreds of tapes.
Hundreds of tapes.
I hope you've got a good bulk buyer or something.
And people will notice, if you've got a cassette recorder, try it yourself.
When you receive a tape, open it up, take the cellophane off and put it in.
It'll be dead quiet.
After you've recorded, even if you go out, for example, and you leave your recorder in a silent room, and then you listen back to the recording, you will hear The soft hiss, it'll sound different, you'll hear the soft hiss and background ambient noise, whatever it might be, of this supposedly totally silent room.
So you will know it's been, or tape that it's been recorded on, and I just want everybody to understand, these are absolutely first rate, right out of the cellophane, blank tapes that these voices appear on.
That's correct.
Another thing people say as well, Maybe you were near a radio station and you got some RF radiation or something that got into your tape machine and there was a little hit of a voice on there, something from that, from a radio or TV broadcast.
Yeah, and we hear that quite a bit, actually.
And, you know, truth be told, it does happen.
But the sound quality of the voice that's ends up as a radio transmission on the tape, you can tell
the difference between EVP and a radio transmission. There's a different sound quality.
And then on top of that, the majority of these voices are interacting with us. If
not what we're asking them, they interact with something that we're doing just amongst
ourselves as a group.
So, I don't know.
I'll let people conclude what they will from listening to these tapes, but I conclude the other side is neither a happy nor an unhappy place.
Probably both.
In other words, as you listen to the voices you hear tonight, folks, I think you're going to realize that you're hearing both very happy souls and very unhappy souls.
And I haven't even listened to the recordings yet, but would that be a safe conclusion?
Yes, it would be.
It's just like people that you meet in everyday life.
Right.
All right.
Hold on, you two.
So coming up after the break, we're going to dig into voices from the other side.
We had to do that set up so you would understand exactly what it is you're hearing.
They don't make a cent on it.
They do it because they're fascinated and they want to know the same thing I want to know.
What the heck is over there and what do we have to look forward to?
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All right, now to my guests and our Electronic Voice Phenomena voices, actually from the other side, Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth, welcome back.
Thank you.
All right, let's talk about the first item that we have tonight.
All right, well, this first one was recorded in a cemetery we actually go to quite frequently.
And we happened to record this on the night that we had witnessed a ghost light.
Well, with our own eyes.
We didn't even need our infrared to see this.
I believe there was nine people there at this time.
Can you recall?
Tell me what you saw.
Well, actually, if you go to the website, there's a photograph of it on our website.
You've got a photograph?
Yeah, in fact, it was after it landed on my back.
Landed on your back?
All right.
I'm on my way to the website.
Let's see.
I'm going to go to my website.
I'm going to go to Program.
I'm going to go to Tonight's Guest Info.
And I'm going to go to your website.
And I am on your website.
Where do I go?
If you click on EVP.
Okay.
And you go down to, I believe it's EVP Gallery 2.
EVP Gallery 2.
I am there.
It'll be under a link that says Northern Utah Cemetery.
Northern Utah Cemetery.
You guys love cemeteries, don't you?
They're wonderful places.
Let's see.
Oh, there are so many.
There's a million links here.
Oh, my gosh.
Gallery 2 is full of a million links.
Yeah.
Actually, each gallery has, I believe, 25 EVPs.
Right.
How far down is this one?
Do you know?
I believe it's maybe eight down.
It's somewhere in the middle.
All right.
Let's see.
Oh, here it is.
The link is dedicated to the voices recorded in a northern Utah cemetery, correct?
Mm-hmm.
All right.
Click on that.
And let's see.
What then?
There should be a photograph that loads.
Oh no, I'm afraid what happened is I clicked on it and I got something that says,
Aliens must have abducted this page.
Oh.
Yeah, ever since we were scheduled to come on your show, our site's been going a little weird.
Yeah, we've done that.
We probably do that to a lot of sites.
Hundreds of sites over the years.
And this is no exception.
This page must have been abducted by aliens.
God.
All right, let's go to the EVP.
Anyway, here you were in the cemetery.
All right.
Well, what had happened?
We had just witnessed this ghost light, and it was starting to move away from the group.
And Barbara says, Parker, don't leave.
This was our little nickname for this light was Parker because of a... It kept going down into a grave that the headstone said Parker and it would come up out of there.
Oh wait a minute the gravestone said Parker?
Yes.
And so you obviously then called it obviously Parker.
Yeah.
What kind of light was this please?
I mean was it a Like an orb?
Was it a softer light?
How did it manifest?
You know it was almost kind of a fluorescent globule.
It started out quite large and as it had come down the road closer to us it got about the size of your thumbnail.
It stayed that size.
It was very intense.
When it came between me and Brendan it was very bright, bright white with I also noticed it almost had like an electrical charge where it had orange and blue.
And it would blink out and come back on.
Sounds electromagnetic to me.
Okay.
It does.
So you said, Parker, don't leave?
Yeah, on this clip you're going to hear Barbara say, Parker, don't leave.
And then directly after, you'll hear a voice say, I'm not far.
I'm not far.
Alright, here we go.
Take a listen to this photo.
Parker, don't leave.
I'm not far.
Come not far.
Come not far.
You know, uh, alright, it does say, I'm not far, but the way it says it would lead me to believe either one of two things, the, uh, the spirit almost like has a cold, or it has a British accent, I can't tell which.
Exactly, that's, that's one of the first things I told Barbara when we were thinking about using this voice for the show, that I believed it either had an accent, or it was nasally congested.
Yeah, I'm not far, it definitely says I'm not far, listen for us.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
I'm not...
Ha!
I'm not...
Ha!
I'm not...
Ha!
That is too weird.
Really too weird.
And in a cemetery at that.
Aren't you guys even a little bit creeped out going to cemeteries, particularly at night?
I mean, I did that a few times.
Probably most kids have done it, you know?
Sort of gone into a cemetery at night and creeped yourself out.
But going in, knowing what you guys know, having received what you've received in the past, knowing what you were there for, isn't that creepy?
The only thing that creeps me out is if there might be an actual person in there that I'm not aware of.
You mean a living person?
Yes.
That idea bothers me.
So you don't fear the dead, you fear the living?
Yes.
I would much rather come up against any ghost than somebody lurking around in a cemetery that I don't know.
Well, I suppose that's fair.
All right, number two here, what do we have?
This was in a different cemetery.
This was recorded by GIS member Jenny, and nothing was really being said at this time.
She just recorded this voice that says, really, and I don't know if it was referring to something that we were doing or she was doing or what, but it just... Just came out of nowhere, huh?
Came out of nowhere.
Here it is.
Really?
Really?
Really indeed.
All right.
Now, I've got to ask this again.
You've said to me many times that cemeteries are not necessarily the best places to get voices, you know, that they can occur anywhere.
That's correct.
And not every cemetery Yields, EVPs.
Yields, voices.
Fine, all fine.
Nevertheless, I would say...
But there are some that are real active.
I would say, though, that the majority of the EVPs you've submitted, short the ones in the prison, which were
incredible, have come from cemeteries.
How come?
You know, I really believe that's because that's the easiest place to get access to.
And, you know, most people have a ghost story about a cemetery.
So that's where we get a lot of our information from.
And we can just head on up to whatever cemetery it is that people let us know about and do what we do.
The first cemetery, the first voice out of that cemetery, one of the local sheriffs had told us about that location.
And about Parker?
Not about Parker, but about Other things that have been seen in there, and in fact, when they happen to know that we're there, many times they'll come up and be with us.
The sheriff department, the... I think we had the fire department up there.
We had the fire department.
I think the whole town turned out.
So do you notify authorities before you go?
Yes.
Oh, yes.
Yes, we get permission.
And so that you don't have to worry about getting busted, you know, it's better to be relaxed and concentrate on what you're doing.
Still, I wonder how they take these calls.
I mean, I was a 9-1-1 operator in Monterey County and I don't know if I picked up the phone and I said 9-1-1 emergency and you said Uh, well, I suppose you wouldn't call 9-1-1.
Not me, unless there was a thug in there.
You know, even if I was in the sheriff's department, I'd pick up the phone.
You said, uh, say, listen, uh, we're just letting you know we're going to be in a cemetery recording, uh, voices of the dead.
I wanted to let you know ahead of time.
I might, I might, Dispatch a car just based on your saying that.
Well, we will.
What I have done in the past is if I like when we were up in Wyoming, we wanted to go to a cemetery in this town where we were staying overnight.
And the first policeman I saw out on patrol, I approached him and asked him if there was any kind of ordinance for that city to be in the cemetery after dark.
Right.
And told him what we were doing and why we were there.
And we wanted to do an investigation in the cemetery.
And he said that he was fine with him and he'd notify the other officers that we were in there.
That's something.
All right.
Here comes number three.
What is this and where did this come from?
All right.
Well, this is another one from another cemetery.
Yet another cemetery.
Yes.
And, you know, this one, we kind of have, at least me, I hear two different things.
Uh, on here we have it, should we move over there, is what is listed on this.
Right.
Uh, I also can hear that room over there.
That room over there.
Well, we'll let everybody make up their own mind.
Should we move over there or that room over there?
there folks here it comes.
Ooh that's got an eerie quality to it.
Should we move over there is what I'm hearing.
That's what I think it's saying also.
When you get one of these, I'm sure it's very exciting.
People don't understand.
You don't just go and harvest these voices as you would wheat.
They're rarer.
They're fairly rare to be able to get them.
But when you do get one, I'm sure you're jumping up and down, and then I bet you sit there and argue about what it said.
Yes, we do many times.
Sometimes it's very obvious to all of us what it's saying, and other times we all hear different things.
You know, and I really don't want to give the impression to people that, you know, the EVP is just so easy to come by.
It is somewhat rare.
I mean, we literally have hundreds, if not thousands of hours of tape that we've gone through.
just to harvest what we do have.
Right.
No, I wanted to make that clear.
It is fairly rare.
Even though the audience can go do this themselves, I mean, a mini cassette recorder and a microphone,
that's all you need, right?
Exactly.
And if anyone's thinking about going and doing it, you know, give it three times at the most.
And more often than not, you know, I'm pretty sure they'd come up with something.
Well, I've had all of these emails, because now you've been on with me a number of times, so I've had a lot of response to your programs.
Some people have taken up the challenge, and they've gone out, and I've had some really incredible responses, like, you know, I was kind of laughing at this, but oh my God, Art, listen to this, and they'll send me sound clips.
Yes, we have the same kind of response.
You do?
Mm-hmm.
All right, number four.
This one, we were at a funeral parlor and you will hear Roger say, he was talking to one of the employees that worked there, and you'll hear him say, time don't mean nothing to them usually, and you'll hear a whispery voice respond yes.
Okay, here we go.
Ooh.
Oh, that could not be more clear and yet eerie at the same time.
Listen again, folks.
No, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Here we go.
That one creeps me out.
That creeps me out a little bit.
But that's also what I hear from everybody in the field of study, that whatever we understand time-wise here has no meaning whatsoever, no relevance on the other side.
Time is meaningless.
Dan, I definitely tend to believe that.
And yet, and yet, they're responding to you in a specific time.
In other words, you said something and got an immediate Well, I hope people get a different perspective about ghosts and the other side.
in our linear time the response was linear on the tape from the time you asked the question
to the time you got the answer. That's correct. Oh it's so mystifying this whole thing on
the other side is so incredibly I guess it's meant to be though huh? Well I hope people
get a different perspective about ghosts and the other side.
That's one thing that I have tried personally is to educate people on this phenomena and
give a different perspective.
All right.
Based on all you've heard, not just tonight's EVP and all we're going to play, but all you've done for all your career of collecting this stuff, what have you guys concluded that the American people should know about the other side?
If you were just to sum it up and what would you say?
Well, I would say to try to resolve things in this life and be as kind and the best person
that you can be because you're not going to change after you die and your mental troubles
and problems are going to be with you still.
That's probably very good advice.
Number five.
This one was recorded at a historic hotel.
It's called the Ben Lomond Hotel.
It's in Ogden, Utah.
Okay.
And a ghost that's supposed to haunt this place, her name's Mrs. Eccles, and she's supposed to have a scent of strong lilacs that accompanies her whenever she manifests herself.
And we were doing this investigation at this hotel, and suddenly one of the members had smelled this lilac smell and had said, what's that smell?
Right.
and this voice comes in, it's a clear woman's voice that says,
it's a white night.
Now for a long time, this made no sense to us whatsoever.
It's a white night?
Exactly, but finally we got an email from somebody saying, Mary Kay used to make a perfume called White Night,
but it wasn't night as in, you know, it's nighttime.
It was night as in medieval night.
K-N-I-G-H-T.
Alright.
Let's listen.
Here it is, folks.
Is it a white man? Is it a white man? Is it a white man?
SES It sounds like it's saying it's a white night.
It's a white night.
This hotel, they've had so much activity, the general manager started documenting the activities reported at the hotel by staff and guests there.
Do you think that they welcome that and then sort of try to turn it into a tourist attraction?
I know a lot of hotels don't want a damn thing to do with it.
They just don't want anything to do with anything like that and they think that it will keep
potential customers away and scare them and they'll go somewhere else.
I mean, how do they feel about it?
I don't know if they're using it so much as a tourist attraction, but I do know that they
are quite proud of the ghost that they have there and they're very willing to talk about
Proud of the ghost?
Yeah, in fact, you know, I think in February, on the Discovery Channel, they're going to be doing something about the ghost that's supposed to haunt this place.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I mean, I guess they have it registered in the Historical Society, it's supposed to be haunted, and so on.
It's quite active, and it's very old, and it's had quite a history.
of itself, you know, just the events that have happened there in this hotel.
Well, you know, it did sound like a woman, perhaps of middle age to me, you know, the
voice.
Yes.
And she, her voice to me has kind of a educated elegance about it or something.
It doesn't sound like a, she sounds quite elegant to me.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Listen one more time, folks.
It's a white night.
Oh, that's not a white night.
What am I doing?
Let me get it back here.
That would have been some good bumper music.
In fact, here's what I'm trying to get to right now.
It does say it's a white knight, I believe. It's a white knight. It's a white knight. It's a white knight.
Night is not as clear as it might be, but that is what it seems to be saying.
Yes.
So, I just, you know, I don't know what to say about this, except it is what it is.
What do you think most people at home are saying to themselves right now?
Well, you know, people for so long have been taught, especially in America, have been taught that ghosts do not exist.
Their parents teach them that.
Schools teach them that.
And for us to come out and present these things, showing that it does exist, I think really bothers them.
I do too.
All right.
Anyway, we'll lay this down with honors tonight.
And we'll be right back with a lot more electronic voice phenomena.
Voices from the other side, if that's what you want to believe.
If you don't want to believe that, I'm sure nothing we can do tonight will convince you.
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Lots of electronic voice phenomena.
Voices from the other side.
directly ahead.
Sound of jet engine.
Somebody is fast blasting me, wanting to know actually a number of people.
Uh, you two, whether there's any danger that any of these entities that you have recorded would take more than just note of you and have ever followed you home?
It is possible, and we've heard of cases that that's happened, and I've suspected that's happened with me.
Oh?
One of the reasons, one of the things we always ask people to do is when you're done with an investigation, tell them, I mean out loud, physically out loud, say,
I'm leaving now and you're not welcome to come home with us, stay here.
Tell me about what you think followed you.
Well, me personally, I think it was just, I mean, it was just a ghost.
I mean, that's all I can, that's all I can say.
We'd done an investigation and, I mean, it was no more than a few nights later
that just weird things had started happening in my house.
And I have never questioned that my house was haunted.
I mean, it's never even crossed my mind.
And, you know, suddenly things were turning on and, you know, I'd find things broken in the living room.
Is that when you decided to construct the disclaimer for we're leaving now?
Don't don't follow, please.
No, we've always done that.
I see.
All right, let's move on.
I liked it.
It's a white night.
Anyway, onward to number six.
What have we got here?
This voice was recorded by Jenny.
We were in an abandoned military hospital that's also been used as a school.
And this was one of our first nights going there.
There are many buildings on this site and we had gone into one of the buildings and
I think I had just purchased my infrared camera.
It was one of the first times that we had used it.
She recorded this voice, it's kind of a gruff man's voice and it sounds like it says,
that's weird as hell.
Oh, that is weird as hell.
That's weird as hell.
Now let's think about that statement for a moment.
If that came from the other side, you would think that problems and things to wonder about,
you know, once you're dead, Those questions would all be answered.
And over on the other side, you wouldn't... On this side, there's lots of reason all the time to say, that's weird as hell.
But over on the other side, you think they've got the same dilemmas going on on a day-to-day basis?
Well, you know, really, I think he could have been referring to us.
Maybe at the fact we were even looking for them.
Well, you've got a good point.
It could be exactly that.
We are the phenomena.
Maybe there, we are the phenomena.
There we are the phenomena.
Exactly.
That's some way to think about it.
Okay, that one creeped me out sufficiently.
What's next?
Alright, I think you'll like this one.
This was recorded by GIS member Jenny, and it was recorded in a cemetery.
On the tape you're going to hear Jenny say, is anybody here?
Will you please talk to us?
Then you're going to hear a child's voice say, they talk good or do they talk good?
That's interesting.
All I have listed is just the first part of her question.
I didn't know there was an answer.
Yeah, yeah, and we had to rush and make the set list for you so we could get it out on time.
Alright, alright.
So let's all listen very carefully.
You're listening for a child's voice after cursing.
Is anybody here?
Will you please talk to us?
What?
And what do you think it said there?
I believe it said, do they talk good?
Do they talk good?
Alright, let me listen to that one more time.
That's absolutely a child's voice.
Yes.
Absolutely a child's voice.
I, you know, we've talked about this on lots of previous programs.
They creep me out the most.
Children's voices.
And I know they do you too, Barbara.
Yes.
And that would indicate, I mean, a child's voice.
A child's voice.
So then, if you die as an old man or an old woman, you are an old voice.
And if you die as a child, you are a child's voice.
Or can't, can we not come to those conclusions from hearing these?
Well, you know, the thing with this is we just don't know.
I mean, There's no way of really telling.
Well, I can tell one thing.
That's a child's voice.
That is a child's voice.
And I have heard of cases where people have, a ghost has been seen by different people in different stages of that ghost's life when he was alive.
They've seen, people have seen a certain ghost, you know, as a young person, as an older person.
Right.
I don't know if that is something we have control over or if that is residual.
This is just thrown out of theory, but maybe some of these so many children's voices are
reverting back to when they were a child.
I can't explain why we record so many children's voices because we never have children with
us.
What if you made a deal with each other?
In other words, if one of you goes before the other?
I'm going to try like hell to come back and let them know.
As long as you're not trying from hell.
I don't think I will.
All right.
Here comes, what's number eight here?
This one we were with a local fox crew at a theater that has been kind of revamped.
It's a historical theater.
I was showing the cameraman something that I had recorded on my videotape while they were doing a take with an employee at this place.
I have been told this several times at different locations, but this voice says, why don't you sit there?
I've been told to sit down a lot at different locations.
The other side wants you to sit.
They want me to sit down.
All right.
Why was Fox there?
They were doing a report on a haunted place.
On this theater, yes.
I see.
All right, here we go.
It supposedly says, why don't you sit here, or something like it.
Listen carefully.
Ida said, it says, why don't you sit there?
Yes, that's right here.
Okay, as opposed to here.
Right.
Yeah, it really sounds like that.
Why don't you sit there?
And I was standing up at the time.
Right.
Again, that seems responsive to your being there.
It sounds immediately responsive to you.
Any idea, you two, why such short bursts Uh, are able to come through in only such short bursts.
I mean, if it's constant barrage, you know, like they say in the song, the bumper music that I play, uh, 40,000 men and women every day.
You know, that's a lot, uh, that die here on earth and go, uh, sailing on over to the other side.
It ought to be a cacophony.
It ought to just be a real crowded place.
Again, like an idiot, I, I pretend to understand the nature of the other side.
Maybe there's plenty of space, but You'd think there would be many, many, many spirits over there, wouldn't you?
I believe there are.
Well, you know, it's possible that this might be these little short bursts or all the energy they have just to make these short sentences.
You know, they obviously don't have the physical vocal cords to do this.
And it sounds like it, too.
I mean, it's not easy to listen to, and yet some are fully clear enough to hear.
They just have this odd sound, this quality to them.
That's true.
And, you know, it almost makes me wonder if maybe some of them, at least, are using just various vibrations, sound vibrations, to create their noise.
Create what sounds like speech?
Yes.
Well, they do it very well, then, because in the case of a child, there is no question about it being a child.
All right, on to number nine.
All right.
This one was recorded in an abandoned mental hospital, and this is also the same place where we've recorded the voice, you little murdering tramp that we've played a few times on your show.
I recall that very well.
And this one, it's a very gruff voice.
Yeah, he died up here.
G.I.S. member Barry, maybe it should sit on your lap, referring to a ghost.
Uh-huh. And this voice comes in probably ten seconds after she had said this and says, he died up here.
He died up here? That's what it sounds like.
Well, let's see. He died up here.
He died up here. Yeah, he died up here.
If you listen very closely, it's he died up here already.
But on the other hand, that would seem to contradict what we understand about death.
Here is where you actually die.
There is where you go when you have died.
So what do you make out of that one?
You know, I really don't know.
Maybe what I'm thinking of is he's talking about someone that died in that hospital.
Oh.
Up here as in the hospital.
Wow.
So, if you died in a mental hospital, you might remain there.
Any idea why these spirits, for the most part, seem to remain in the areas where they died?
I believe that they are linked to that location where they haunt.
By what, though?
something in their life either their link there somehow from life.
So if you're walking across the street and you got smushed by an 18-wheeler
you'd be a highway ghost?
I could be or I could go back to someplace that was familiar to me.
I do believe that they are able to move around just like how we are.
Alright, you've got a couple of cuts coming up that you just have question marks by.
What does that mean?
It means you don't understand it?
Well, what we did is we left these two open to let your audience decide what they think they hear.
Oh.
I know what I hear.
All right, so in other words, you want to play them cold.
Yes.
All right, let's try playing the 10th Cut Cold and see what the audience hears.
This next one, you're going to hear a person that we had with us.
She was referring to a camera that was malfunctioning for some reason at this cemetery.
And you'll hear her say, it happened again.
She's asking, it happened again?
And this voice will come in.
And say something.
Yes.
Uh, it happened again.
Okay, here we, here we go, folks.
It happened again?
Wow, is that weird?
But I'm not sure what was said.
Alright, here it is again, folks.
Um, somebody send me some quick fast blasts about what you think is being said here.
What happened again?
Oh, oh yeah.
I'm not sure.
So I'm going to let the audience say what it is that they think they heard.
And we'll get those responses rolling in by fast blast in a moment.
Whatever it is, it had again that ethereal sort of weird I don't know, from another place kind of sound.
Yes, I've already... I mentioned this before, it almost sounds like how you would sound underwater if you were talking.
Yes, underwater.
Actually, it sounds a lot like some modern cell phones I hear.
Oh, really?
Alright, here come the guesses.
Let's see, Sandra from Naperville says, who knows?
Robert from Los Angeles says, please stay.
Phil from Nashville says, too late.
Uh, Joshua from Denver says, uh, please don't.
Uh, Jordan from Evansville, Indiana says, please lady.
Uh, Burke from Portland, Oregon says, who died?
Uh, Lynn from Redding says, sounds like, oh no.
Now that's what I thought it said.
You thought it said, oh no?
Yes.
All right.
With all of that in mind, uh, one more time with feeling folks.
Uh, here we go.
go. It happened again? Well I don't know about oh no but it was obviously some
some sort of response. Now I've been talking to other people last night's
guest for example who said that cameras Taken into recently created crop circles and this is really well documented by all kinds of commercial camera crews as well as amateur.
The batteries tend to die in the fields in these crop circles and I think that you have experienced some of the same thing haven't you?
Yes, a lot of our electronic equipment will malfunction.
In fact that last voice The lady that says it happened again is referring to a camera that was malfunctioning.
Well, there you go.
So, there's some connection here, perhaps dimensionally.
I mean, a lot of people, after all, think the other side is merely but another vibrational level, another dimension.
And we know that electromagnetics are absolutely involved.
After all, that's how you get what you get on tape.
An audio tape, so it would figure that you'd both run into the same kind of troubles with your equipment.
Yes, I think that they do affect the electromagnetic field.
Huh.
Alright, we've got one more for everybody to guess, and we have the luxury of having a break come up, so we can play this next cut and let people guess what it is they're hearing.
I assume that you guys don't do this instantly, the way I'm making the audience do right now.
You sit down and probably listen to it a hundred times over, don't you, before you finally settle in on whatever.
At least a hundred times.
At least a hundred times.
All right, same deal on this one.
You want to say where it was recorded?
Yeah, this was actually recorded in that same mental hospital as the voice before the last one.
All right.
And you're going to hear in this clip Barbara say, we invite you to come and be with us and talk to us.
And then you're going to hear a deep man's voice.
And it's the audience's job to decide what the deep man's voice is saying.
Here we go.
We invite you to come and be with us and talk to us.
I hear him.
I hear him.
That's pretty weird.
So during the break, you all decide what it is you're hearing there.
We'd love to come and do this with some fast and fast.
I don't want to do this.
There you've got it. You decide for yourself what was it you were hearing.
Fast blast me with what you thought you heard, and we'll compare it to what they came up with after listening about
I'm Art Bell.
a hundred times.
I'm Art Bell.
It's all right. It's coming on.
We gotta get right back to where we started from.
Love is good. Love can be strong.
We gotta get right back to where we started from.
Love is good. Love can be strong.
you and I'm Art Bell.
It's in the air tonight and every night.
And that's it, folks.
You've gotta feel it.
And if you stretch a little, you can.
More EVP coming up.
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With us tonight, the Ghost Investigators Society, Barbara McBeth, Brendan Cook, and we're listening, that's what we're listening to, voices from the other side.
If you think it's something else, you might want to tell us what that is.
And again, we're reviewing one that we heard just before the break.
And in a moment, I'll have the results.
And they are very, very varied indeed.
All right, back to it we go.
And this is kind of interesting.
Again, what we're trying to do is decipher what was said.
They certainly did not give us the easy ones.
Here it is one more time.
We'd like you to come in with us and pass yourselves.
I love you.
All right, some I thought got close to what I heard.
Diane in Washington, the voice sounds like it's saying you got a beer there.
Matt, let's see, Matt in Anchorage, Alaska says I heard I'm in the bathroom.
Steve in Springfield, Oregon heard, the last one sounded like, what's for dinner?
I heard dinner in it myself.
Alan in Chicago, I'd be afraid.
Rod in La Crosse, Wisconsin.
Violet's in my bed.
Here's one saying, second spirit saying, I'll be there.
These spirits, he goes on, this is Glenn in Oakland, California.
These spirits have an extremely hard time vocalizing, like you have, kind of like you have a sore throat.
You two, anybody close?
One of, well, Jenny that recorded this says that she thinks that it says, I'll be there.
I'll be there.
I heard I've been dead, so... This kind of gives people an idea of what we go through when we listen to these.
It is kind of interpretive, isn't it?
Yes.
What's not interpretive is the manner in which it's gathered.
That's correct.
These are cold, hard facts.
But yeah, what's heard certainly is interpretive.
And when you tell us the results of your research ahead of time, it's a lot easier to hear.
Although I must say, you did not exactly pick two of the easier ones for the audience to try.
And there was a reason for that.
Yeah, I'm sure.
Okay, on to number 12.
This one was recorded by Ginny also and it's at an old military fort that was established back in the 1800s and is still semi-in use.
Right.
And we were conducting an investigation and we believe that it says, I'd be fine now.
I'd be fine now.
Alright, here we are.
Something about... yeah, it does kinda sound like I'd be fine now.
That's pretty close.
And actually, I appreciate your telling us what you believe it says.
It does make it easier to listen to, though we don't always agree with you.
That's correct, I know.
And that's fine, you know.
This is...
going between five people trying to determine some of these voices.
If other people hear something different, that's okay because we don't proclaim that that's exactly what it's saying.
It's just what it sounds like to us.
Well, obviously they have a very difficult time getting it through legibly.
Whatever the problem is from the other side, it's very hard to get it through legibly.
Yes.
And what you said about it sounding like someone that's talking that has a sore throat.
Yes.
If you've ever had a severe sore throat, it is very hard to pronounce your words correctly and that's a good analogy.
Yeah, yeah.
Boy, I wish I could learn more about the other side.
Maybe we're not meant to know.
Do you run up against that?
That occasionally you just finally throw up your hands and say we're not meant to know?
I don't think we will probably ever know.
I don't think that we can comprehend what lies in wait for us.
It is probably a good thing that we don't know.
Maybe it is.
I am, though, beginning to certainly believe there absolutely is something.
The evidence to me is mounting very, very heavily on the side that there is something after this physical death and what you all are doing here.
Certainly adds to that.
All right, number 13.
All right, well, this one was recorded in the same military fort in Salt Lake City, and we believe it just simply says, he's scared.
Okay, he's scared.
Let's go.
This is very whispery.
Roger had just mentioned that he had scared himself.
Oh, he had?
He was talking to the museum curator and he was going down into the basement and he had scared himself and he had told the curator that he had scared himself.
Ah, this one's creepy.
Here it is again.
Oh, that's creepy.
That's really creepy.
Whispers are, especially whispers that sound like that, are really, really, just really creepy.
And that really seems to be the majority of what we get is whispers.
Really?
Yeah.
And, you know, of course, tonight and for a radio show, it's much easier to play the I think it's a great thing to do. I think it's a great
thing to do. I think it's a great thing to do. I think it's a great thing to do. I think it's
a great thing to do. I think it's a great thing to do. I think it's a great thing to do.
I think it's a great thing to do. I think it's a great thing to do. I think it's a great
thing to do. I think it's a great thing to do.
Did you know there's a story from Britain, now you mentioned cell phones, that's very interesting, I read it the other night, a story from Britain, that cell phones are killing off, or driving off, we have no way of knowing, Ghosts or entities.
There is a researcher in Great Britain who is convinced cell phones are killing ghosts.
I wasn't aware of that.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, that's some fairly serious research.
In areas of high cell phone use, they're having very low numbers of hauntings.
I wonder if it's the electrical interference.
Well?
I don't think that it would be killing ghosts, but maybe they are not able to manifest as Well, a cell phone emits electromagnetic energy to do what it does.
So anything is possible.
I suppose anything is possible.
All right.
On to the next one.
Number 14.
This was recorded at that same fort.
And this, we believe, is a voice that says, Oh, my God.
In response to something or just out of the blue?
This was just out of the blue.
Out of the blue.
Alright, here we go.
Let's hear what you folks say.
That one's hard for me.
I don't hear that.
And I also hear two voices on that last word.
Uh, let me listen.
Yup, could be.
Could be.
Could be two voices.
I don't know.
I hear a whispery breathy one.
And then the voice also that is saying, oh my.
Fascinating.
Again, these are really open to interpretation.
And if you tell us what we're about to hear first, it's a lot easier to hear it.
And probably the tendency of the human brain, you know, is to try and match What you're saying it is with what we're playing here.
That's correct.
So I agree with the people who say that if we don't tell people what it is, they're probably going to come up with a million different interpretations as we just proved, a few of which will be very much like what you heard or I heard, but they'll still be very, very different.
The only unambiguous thing here is that These do appear to be voices from the other side.
Unless there's any other answer, is there any other possible answer that the two of you have come up with, with regard to what you're hearing, other than voices from the other side?
You know, really, there isn't any other answer that I've come up with.
As I mentioned before, it is possible to get radio transmission.
Uh, which we have picked up before.
Oh, these clearly are not that.
Exactly.
If you're getting a commercial, uh, transmission, uh, it's going to be very, very, very easy to identify.
Very easy to identify.
And that's not the way these sound.
Not even close.
Yes.
You know, what proves this to me, in my mind, is the fact that they interact with us.
And, you know, since I've started, and up until now, and probably Until I quit doing it, which I don't know when that'll be.
The most amazing aspect is that they do interact.
Have you ever come close to quitting?
No.
No, and I don't believe I will.
You think you'll do this right up until the time you completely become a voice?
Yes, I definitely believe that.
Boy, it's... And they promised me that they'd push me out in my wheelchair when I get too old.
Well, we're still in the same military fort.
In fact, I think the majority of these were recorded on the same night.
over and on my own.
Brendan, hand me another tape.
I need a tape, Brendan.
Might not be too far off either.
Yeah, that's right.
All right, number 15.
All right, well, we're still in the same military fort.
In fact, I think the majority of these were recorded on the same night.
Really?
This was a fertile night.
Yes, and this place seems to be very active.
And this voice, I mean, it sounds like it says one poor man, but I can also hear one important man.
Huh. Let's see what everybody out there hears.
I would vote for, I think he's saying important. Important man.
Something about an important man.
I do hear that.
Yes, that's what I hear.
Alright, one last time.
What do you hear?
It could even be, we have an important man.
We have an important man.
No.
Now that I've suggested it, let's try a little reverse psychology.
Listen for, uh, we have an important man.
We have an important man.
Listen. What about it?
on it.
Yeah, I can hear the word have now.
I can't hear we.
Oh, well.
Oh, well, again, usually an audience will, in an attempt to shoot holes in something
like this, say, oh, come on, you know, play it and don't tell them what's being said.
And the audience is correct.
I mean, you do come up with a million different interpretations because people's ears are hearing different things.
All that is left for them to explain is how these voices get on these tapes.
That's correct.
And how they sound like this and how they appear to be responsive, more times than not, to something you're saying or doing, which implies some kind of consciousness.
Of course, I suppose they could suggest you are the ones attaching the relevance to what's being said.
What about that?
That's true.
And, you know, we get emails like this all the time just because of the nature of what we're doing.
And really, all we can tell people is if they question it, to try it for themselves.
I mean, that's really the only thing we can say.
How many people write to you guys and are angry and then don't like what you're doing and think you're tampering, you know, in areas that will bring you misfortune or a haunting or bad will of some sort?
In other words, they're very unhappy with your doing this.
You know, surprisingly very few.
Really?
I can come to remember probably four emails that were like that.
Other than that, everything's been pretty much positive.
I mean, we do get the emails of people saying, oh, this is bull, and this is not true, and you guys are faking this.
And we tell them, You know, for one, what reason do we have to fake this?
I mean, what do we actually gain by faking anything?
Actually, I don't think you have anything to gain by anything you're doing.
Exactly.
And, you know, and then again, like I said before, we invite them to go out and try it for themselves.
And we have had people write in who say that, you know, this is all fake and then go try it and write back and say,
oh, I was wrong.
Yeah, I've had lots of those.
What should people do?
Fine.
Go to a cemetery, for example.
And do you attempt, should they attempt, take the tape recorder along and then do you begin talking to the graves, talking to the area, talking to the air?
I talk to the air.
You just talk to the air?
It takes a little getting used to.
And you don't have to go out at night.
If there's city ordinances or if a person is afraid, they should never go by themselves.
They should take at least somebody with them and just take a stroll through the cemetery.
They're very peaceful during the day because many of these voices that we have played on the shows have been recorded during the day.
It doesn't have to be at night.
We just go out at night because it's more quiet.
Well, I probably wouldn't be inclined mostly to go out at night.
People that aren't really into this, I can see where they would be afraid of it.
If they want to try it, they can do it in the daylight.
It doesn't have to be at night.
There are a lot of people who think that you're taking a risk, that you're opening a door,
that what you're doing is the equivalent of sitting down to play with a Ouija board.
It's not the same at all.
Okay.
You, um... Well, it's not the same.
On a Ouija board, you're moving this piece around, trying to communicate with the dead.
In your case, you're rolling a tape recorder, Trying to communicate with the dead.
There's not a giant difference.
Yes, there is.
Alright, what is it?
Uh, we go to locations that have reported, uh, haunting activity and ghost activity.
When you are using a Ouija board, you are inviting anything in.
Well, that's, I guess, right.
A lot of people that play with the Ouija board, there is no kind of activity in their home
originally but they will have a lot of activity after.
They are inviting any kind of entity, any kind of force that is out there to come in.
After they look at the Ouija board as a game and it is not a game, it is very serious.
Just before the top of the hour, number 16.
This one was recorded in the same fort by Jenny and I believe it says, I demand to differ.
Now, Brendan hears, I demand a difference, but I hear, I demand to differ.
Alright, let's see what I hear.
Oh gee, I think that's quite clear.
I think it's saying, I demand a difference.
So I guess I agree with Brendan one more time.
It sounds like, I demand a difference.
I am a man who takes the time.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Ah, Brendan, I've got to be on your side on this one.
I demand... The difference word seems very clear to me.
Yes, and me too.
The night that I...
Recorded this that's the first thing I thought was it was saying difference And I can just hear differ.
I wonder if If he's Complaining in essence about some conditions on the other side You don't want to believe that but I mean I demand a difference.
I demand change The hierarchy will straighten itself out up here.
We in heaven are tired of paying these taxes.
I For low clouds and short wings.
Roll around by the wind.
Roll down in a spin.
I gave you love.
I thought that we had made it to the top.
I gave you all I have to give But didn't have to stop
You're floating off skyline I'm floating off skyline
I'm floating off skyline A
man is in the zone, my brother's not for mine, that I don't understand.
You shouldn't worry, I said that ain't no crime, cause if you get it wrong, you'll get it right next time.
You're my friend.
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Good morning.
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Brendan and Barbara, and we've got more voices coming up from the other side.
Or is it down from the other side?
I don't really know.
Anyway, more of them coming up shortly.
Stay right there.
All right, back now to our frequent visitors to graveyards and other places where people
have passed away.
Brendan and Barbara, you're back on the air again.
We're here.
All right.
Dare I even ask about Whistle?
Well, this one gets into an interesting place.
When we got to it, it was an abandoned movie theater.
And we had heard stories for the past couple of years about this location.
And it just so happened that this place had just become abandoned.
So we decided we would go in and do some investigations.
Well, This really is the only place that I've ever felt extremely uneasy about.
I don't know what it is about this location, but there was just an uneasy, dark feeling about it.
Some of the members that had gone in there with us before, when we first started doing it, I guess had got physically ill and had to leave.
One got so freaked out because he saw somebody standing right next to him that he just ran out of the building and stayed in the parking lot.
That's a little hint.
So, um, so not just you, but others have had, uh, what about you, Barbara?
No bad vibes for you?
No, I really didn't.
I, uh, I thought it was a very interesting location and I was very sorry to see them tear it down.
Alright, what do you think, was this interactive or is this just something that popped up?
This, are you referring to the voice or the location?
Well it says whistle, I don't know, I mean what was this whistle, whatever that means, was it an interactive response or just something you caught?
Well, in the clip you're going to hear this little short, It sounds like a whistle.
It's like it whistles twice.
And then, and Barbara and Roger heard this at the time.
Audibly heard it?
Audibly heard it.
Because right after it happens, you're going to hear Barbara say, what was that?
And then her husband, GIS member Roger, says, I thought it was you.
And then you'll hear Barbara again say, no.
Okay.
See?
What was that?
I thought it was you.
What?
Wow.
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
I'm not sure what to make of that myself.
I'm not sure what to make of that.
I don't know what that sound was.
It could have been a whistle, or it could have been an attempt at trying to form a word.
I can't make it out.
I think that someone was trying to get our attention.
Yeah, that could easily be.
Could easily be.
All right, 18.
Uh, this one was in the same theater and, um, Ginny recorded this one and it's, it, uh, Brendan has it down that, uh, it says, I'm scared, but I think it says, are you scared?
Alright, here we go.
Ooh.
Oh, now that one is really, really, really, really bizarre.
One more time.
I'm scared.
Well, I clearly hear it saying, are you scared?
I'm with you, I think, Barbara.
Are you scared?
It could not be more clear to me.
Yeah, I think, uh, kind of a whispering.
And it almost sounds somewhat like a child's voice, too.
Female and child.
Female or young female or child.
It's hard to make out.
Let me hear one more time.
Hold on.
Hold on.
I'm scared.
Yeah, clearly a young female or a child asking, are you scared?
Now...
Bye.
God, that one's clear.
That one's too clear for me.
And it also reflects really what you were saying, Brendan.
After all, you were scared.
Yeah, I wouldn't know if I'd call it scared, but it was definitely uneasy.
Almost everybody that would go in there felt very uneasy.
There was just something that was almost dark about this location.
And it was completely empty of any of the theater seats.
There was three theaters in this building.
The only thing that was left in it was two concession stands, you know, in the middle of the building.
And I know that anyone that went in there, any of the group, felt very uneasy in there.
Do you all think that the hauntings are related to specific buildings, old buildings in particular, or the land on which they sit, the area, the physical area in which they are?
I think the majority could be.
You mentioned the land.
There's a popular misconception that it's always over an old ancient Indian burial ground.
In fact, we hear that probably 80% of the time when people call us.
They will say that their house was built on ancient Indian burial ground.
Right.
It doesn't necessarily mean that that's correct.
Who knows what could have happened on that land hundreds, thousands of years ago?
I mean, that could cause it to be haunted.
If it's true that ghosts don't have a concept of time, I mean, they could still be haunting that land even though they died over a thousand years ago.
That's something to think about, isn't it?
I mean, I suppose on the other side it wouldn't be a bother because there is not that concept of time.
Although that's hard for us to understand.
A thousand years sounds like a long time to be hanging around anywhere.
Exactly.
And, you know, like we said, I believe that us as living humans probably won't be capable
of understanding the other side to a point.
I think we can understand maybe some aspects of it, but, you know, we'll never fully understand
it.
All right.
Here comes another one.
And this, I guess, is a child's voice, huh?
Yeah, this one is really interesting because this was, I think, I believe, second or third
investigation at this theater.
And Barbara recorded this.
And we had realized the first couple of investigations prior to this that there were children in
We had recorded children's voices.
So Barbara is saying a little nursery rhyme in this clip and you will hear a child interact with her.
She'll say five, six, And after that, you'll hear a child say, five, six.
Oh, boy.
And then she'll say, pick up sticks.
And the little child will say, sticks.
Oh, you're kidding.
No, you're obviously not kidding.
And she'll say, seven, eight, lay them straight.
And then you'll hear the child say, straight.
And then nine, ten, a big fat hen.
And then she laughs.
And directly after that, you'll hear a child say, hen.
Says big fat hen.
Really?
This one generally creeps me out just because I have somewhat of a weird phobia of nursery rhymes.
Alright, let's see what we think.
5, 6, pick up 6, 7, 8, lay them straight, 9, 10, a big fat hand.
I heard hen at the end. I heard hen at the end myself.
One more time.
Hen.
Five, six.
Pick up sticks.
Seven, eight.
Wave them straight.
Nine, ten. A big fat hen.
Hen.
Hen. Actually the hen, the sound of the hen comes over the sound of Barbara herself.
Yes, it does.
All the other in-between parts are a little bit lower than Barbara.
Right.
But that very end part is... It comes over her voice.
A lot of people are going to have a hard time explaining that one.
Oh my God.
And I was really hoping that Whatever children were there would interact with this rhyme.
How frequently do these voices overlap your voices?
In other words, in the middle of either asking a question or trying to elicit a response or speaking to the air,
whatever you do, the voice comes in on top of your voice.
It'll happen quite often because we're not aware that we're getting a response at the time.
Of course not.
Sometimes we could...
I... me, myself...
I could just kick myself for going on talking.
I hear you.
But you would have no way of knowing.
No.
You know, this next clip that Barbara is going to explain, you can hear a little bit of that overlapping.
Again?
Well, this next one is just bizarre.
It's just kind of cheesy.
Why do you say cheesy?
Well, it just sounds like a stereotype.
Ghosts, what's in ghost movies, in B-rated, you know, those B-movies.
Oh, I see.
Of ghosts, it just sounds like a stereotype ghost moaning and groaning, like it's something trying to scare us.
And at the very end, I don't know if you can hear it over the radio, but you can barely hear Jenny say, hear that?
All right, here we go.
Oh, that's the worst one I've ever heard.
Isn't that horrible?
Yeah, so that's horrible.
In other words, I don't react quite in the same way you do.
I didn't get cheesy out of it.
I just got, oh, that's not good.
I think it sounds cheesy.
Whatever it is, it's not good.
Oh, not good at all.
Yeah, that's a moan, all right.
That's more of a... That's like a death moan.
I mean, that's like a, you're going to die moan.
Yeah.
I just think it sounds like a stereotype.
What people would imagine it goes to sound like, you know, an old haunted house.
Has it ever occurred to you that that old stereotype, that most myths are, you know, they have some Vestige of truth in them.
And most stereotypes have some vestige of reason for being that stereotype.
In other words, that did occur to you?
Yes.
One more time.
Oh, you saved the best for last.
That one was really good.
I might have to save that clip myself.
Alright, I want to get some questions from the audience in the last segment, so let's try and move on here.
Number 21.
Alright, well this was recorded by JAS member Jenny, and in this clip, this was in that same theater, and you'll hear Jenny say, it's probably, and she's trying to point out where she had seen an orb on the infrared camera.
Okay.
And she doesn't quite finish her sentence, but right after she says it's probably, you hear a young child say, stay with me.
Oh, it's a child again, huh?
Alright, here we go.
Move, hold up.
Oh.
That's so clear.
That's so clear, sir.
Stay With Me is so clear.
one more time.
Oh, no question about it.
That's a child saying, Stay With Me.
And, you know, honestly, I think that's one of the clearest child's voices that I've heard, with the exception of that It's Dark In Here that we played on your show before.
Yes.
You know, the night I not recorded that, but found that on the tape, I phoned Barbara and told her that I had heard that.
Yes.
And, you know, I almost felt guilty because I was excited about hearing this clear voice, but yet it made me feel so bad that this child felt so alone and just sounded like he was so alone.
This is the part that's almost too hard for me.
The children are over there, wherever there is and whatever it is.
And they're alone, and sometimes they're scared, and they're frightened, and they think it's dark.
And that just... It just doesn't sound like the expectation that I have of what the other side would be like, especially for a child.
Yeah, see, and the thing that got me about this location, too, was the children sounded incredibly young.
Yeah, I agree.
Uh, that child, that child's voice, uh...
Sounded like a five or a six year old or something like that
I'd say five or six years old Yeah, I was thinking even younger.
Really?
Again, who are we to know the nature of the other side?
And admittedly, we don't.
But hearing that is just so unnerving and so worrisome.
Why would a child be Either lonely, scared, or cold on the other side.
Anybody want to take a shot at that one?
You know, I had a friend talking to me about this and she said maybe one of the reasons that we get so many children is that the families are mourning and won't let them go.
Yeah, mourning does seem to have a lot to do with it, and it does seem like relatives who will not let go, just absolutely will not let go, they keep these spirits on the side, don't they?
Yes, and I think that there is a lot to be said for that.
I believe that, but I can't understand what the child would be doing in this theater, I don't know.
It's just, it makes me uncomfortable.
But we're not here to be comfortable or uncomfortable, just to present the material.
Thank you to, uh, we'll go to calls here in a moment, okay?
Alright.
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GIS investigators are here, and you're hearing voices from the other side.
We're going to take a few questions for Brendan and Barbara in a moment.
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Back now to the Ghost Investigators Society and Brendan and Barbara and we have just one more to go, one more to play before we take a few calls.
What is this one?
This one was recorded by myself in that same theater and it's kind of a singing voice and is there, do you recall Art, if there was ever like a A product called Chlorident.
Yeah, I think there was.
Chloro-something.
Like a chiclet?
Like a gum or something?
Something like that, sure.
I'm sure there was.
This voice, what I believe it is saying, it's kind of a singing voice, and it says, cold, cold, Chlorident.
Really?
Okay, let's see what we get.
Almost sounds like the man.
Something cool, and I hear chlorodent.
I hear cold and chlorodent in there.
Yeah, it almost reminds me of an ad or something.
Yeah, it does, does it?
A little jingle.
Alright, uh, let's, uh, subject you two to the audience and see what they've got to say.
First time caller of the line, you're on the air with GIS.
Hello.
Hi.
I think it was Chlorettes, the gum.
That could be.
Hello, good morning, Brendan, Barbara.
Hello.
Good morning.
This is James from Midland, Texas.
I had a question about how, um, how you thought these voices, um, were formed on the tape.
I've been following EVP for a few years now, and I think the most fascinating thing is where The voices manipulate sounds in the environment, and it's almost like the sounds transform into the voice.
I was wondering, do you think the voices are imprinted on the tape, telekinetically, or are they actually produced in the air around the tape?
Well, you know, there's numerous different theories on how this actually takes place.
I tend to believe two different theories.
One, that yes, it is imprinted on the tape.
I believe some of them are imprinted on the tape.
Yeah, but I'd like to note that, for example, tonight, in at least two instances, people heard audibly what came on the tape.
Yeah, and that goes to my next theory that I believe some other voices are using variant sounds that are in the atmosphere or in that location to form their voice.
Yeah, they're just theories, sir.
Your guess is as good as anybody's.
They're the investigators, and that's all they've got is theories.
What do you think?
Well, I'm thinking of an example of where one woman was recording over a television set, and in the background was a French program, right?
Yes.
And she asked the question, do you pray to God?
And it was in English, the question.
And all of a sudden, the French program, it almost like it morphed into English.
And the French in the background said, of course I pray to God.
That is odd.
That's an interesting question, one that several people ask.
Do you get, of course you might not recognize it, but do you get voices in other languages?
Yes, we do.
Yes, we do.
Oh, you do?
Yes, and we have, I believe, five or six examples posted on our website right now.
All right.
If we were to bring these on the air, they would be so indecipherable.
They're hardly decipherable in English.
But if we were to bring other languages, it would really confuse people.
But the answer is you do get them.
Yes, we have some in German, Spanish.
I believe we've got some in what sounds like French.
OK.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with the GIS.
Hello.
Hi, this is almost as chilling as some velvet morning, Art.
Sure it is.
I wanted to ask your guest, whatever happened to Dr. Radov, I believe?
What's his name?
Oh, Radovay?
That might have been it.
I guess he started the whole research.
Is he the father of EVP?
To a point, yes.
He's the one that really brought it out to people.
Is he still around?
No, he's passed away.
Uh-huh.
And actually there's been some researchers who claim they've recorded his voice.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, you would think anybody who in life had had a passion for receiving voices from the other side would be a likely transmitter when they got on the other side because they'd be intent on doing specifically that.
Yeah, and I had read an article where he had said that he would try to leave his voice on somebody's recorder.
I believe it was a I had a comment too.
I looked up for the lady who was saying White Night.
I went immediately to my Oxford Complete Word Finder and under White Night I found British for Sleepless Night.
So maybe that puts another interpretation on it.
Wow.
Very interesting.
So thank you very much, guys.
All right.
Thank you, sir.
Very interesting because, again, my comment at the time was perhaps a British accent or a nasal voice.
Somebody with a cold, I think I said.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with GIS.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Hi.
My name is Beth.
I'm from Buffalo.
Yes.
And my question is, once you hear these recordings and you hear what people are saying and they sound sad and scared and everything like that, Do you ever go back to the place and tell them to go to the light?
To kind of end their misery?
Yeah, that's a good question actually.
We go to, we will return to the location.
And we will ask, is there anything that we can do for you?
Although I've never recorded an answer to that.
We do not tell them to go to the light.
No.
Is it because you want to keep going back and recording them?
No, no, no.
I feel like whatever I do is not going to make a difference whether they go or not.
I feel like a lot of these ghosts that are still lingering around there is a reason why they're staying and they haven't resolved whatever they need to resolve.
Yeah, I'm not sure we know enough about the other side to be a traffic cop for it, you know, and tell them where to go.
I don't think that...
Me saying to go to the light is going to make them go anywhere.
I understand that that's what we think.
We think, you know, off to the light with you, you know.
But maybe we don't know what we're talking about.
We just don't understand much about the other side.
But evidence like this has got to make you think.
Right, ma'am?
Oh, absolutely.
Thank you so much.
Thank you and take care.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS.
Hi.
Hi.
Yes, sir.
Hi, this is Matt from Tucson, Arizona.
Yes, Matt.
And I was just wondering, why do they think that they are being communicated with?
I mean, this kind of goes back to the last question, but are they trying to get help, or are they just eager to communicate like any living human being?
Well, when we go out on an investigation, and we go to these locations that have reported ghost activity, we invite these Who is ever there to join in our conversation and talk with us?
Most of the time we will get at least a voice within that first hour.
Sometimes we won't get anything at a place where we've gotten voices before.
We won't get anything on a certain night.
But we always talk to them like they are a living person.
We're respectful.
Most of the time they'll join in our conversation and talk with us amongst ourselves when we're talking and respond to things that we're talking about amongst each other.
Can you hear these?
At the time when we record them, most of the time we can't.
We don't hear them usually until we go back home and listen to our tape.
But on rare occasion, a couple of times tonight, you did hear something.
Yes, and it takes you off guard when you audibly hear something.
You can't tell where it's coming from.
You know you heard something, you don't know what.
Now, do you think that you actually audibly hear it, or do you hear it in your mind?
I believe I hear it.
Hear it.
So do I.
Okay.
You know, one other aspect is we find most of the time, if you don't talk to them, they won't talk to you.
You actually have to physically communicate with them.
Throughout an investigation, I continually invite them to talk with us.
Anything else, Culler?
No, thanks, Art.
Okay, thank you, and take care.
First time, Culler Line, you're on the air with GIS.
Good morning.
Hello?
Hello.
Yes, sir, you're on the air.
Oh, great.
Yeah, my name's Don.
I'm up here in North Denver in an 18-wheeler.
Okay.
Okay.
Must be kind of weird cruising through the night in a truck listening to this.
Oh, it's terrific.
I love it.
I was up there in Wyoming just eating it up, you know.
Okay, my question is, okay, I go back east a lot, up into Massachusetts, and I ran into some ancient cemeteries up there in the middle of nowhere.
Very quiet, weeds growing up, stones kind of half-tipped over and stuff.
Have you ever done an investigation in a place like that before?
Yes, we have.
And we've recorded voices in those locations.
Because they live in Utah, a lot of what you tend to hear, obviously, is from prisons and graveyards and theaters and so forth that are near to them and easy access.
But you've all done some traveling, right?
Yes.
Uh-huh.
If you hear of a real hotspot, is there a sort of a net of EVP people?
Do you know where the hotspots are?
No.
What I usually do is I will go and ask people if they know of any locations that are reportedly haunted.
Okay.
If we travel to an area and, you know, take it from there, we seek out places that have had reported activity.
All right.
Well, the Northeast is a good one, huh, sir?
Oh, yeah.
That was quite a place up there.
I've been up in the little byways up there and just seen these deserted, just abandoned cemeteries up there.
And I've gotten out and read some of the stones from back in the 16th, 1700s.
And it's just amazing.
Like, who were these people, you know?
You should take a tape recorder with you next time.
Now, does it take a special kind of microphone to To record this, or is it just a regular standard tape recorder?
Yeah, good question.
Why don't you tell them what the optimal equipment is for you two that you have found.
What is it?
For one, it doesn't take a special kind of microphone.
We use an external mic, and that cuts down on the inner noise of the recorder itself.
People will notice that cassette recorders Have motors in them, and so that generates a little bit of noise all by itself.
So if you use an external mic, you are away from that mechanical aspect.
That's correct.
Right.
And other than that, the only reason... I mean, we use microcassette recorders, and the only reason we use that is so it's portable.
We can carry that around with us everywhere.
Any tape recorder will work.
I mean, it really doesn't matter.
As long as you're using a brand new tape, it'll work.
Do you get... Well, a microcassette recorder...
would not give you as much quality, or would it?
You tell me as a, I don't know, a whoop-dee-doo downtown cassette type recorder.
I believe, personally, the quality would be pretty close to the same.
And that's just my own personal thought we haven't used the Regular size tape recorders as much as we've used the micro cassette recorders.
All right now some because you're recording with magnetic tape There's some inherent hiss noise involved the new rage out there now is and I've got one a mini CD recorder a mini CD recorder Is astounding.
I mean, the range of audio that you get is CD quality.
The injected noise from the mechanism or from the electronics is almost undetectable.
It is so quiet and such a high quality device that you would think it would be perfect for this sort of thing.
Just one little catch.
CDs are made in a very different way than tapes.
Now, have you tried taking something like that into the field?
Well, one of our old members actually bought one and tried it,
and never really had any success with it.
And, you know, really, as far as I know, there haven't been too many people who have had success
with it.
So, it looks like it's the electromagnetic aspect of it that allows the imprint.
That's correct.
And that, you know, then again, I mentioned this on your show before, that we have seen correlations between our EMF meter and EVP, so that right there shows that they're affecting the electromagnetic field somehow.
You bet.
You betcha.
Alright, Wildcard Line, you're on the air with the GIS folks.
Hello.
Hi Art, this is Ryan calling from North Carolina.
Yes, sir.
Last time you guys were on, I think, you played one particular sample that was really interesting.
It was one of those children's voices, which I know Art hates.
But she said something to the effect of, can you talk with it?
Oh, yes.
Right at that moment, I kind of got an idea in my head.
I was wondering, I don't know, I'm not too well into electronics or anything, but wondering whether or not it would be possible to create a tape recorder with two heads on it.
So that you could basically record and then after a few second delay actually hear what you just recorded
Oh, and you might actually be able to communicate more in real time with these entities
Oh, you know, that's a hell of an idea you know, and we've thought of that before and
We've also had people suggest that to us. It's really just getting the funds to actually
Make that yeah, I would imagine it would be somewhat expensive to get a custom tape recorder like that
Yeah, in fact, I think I had one guy email me saying he would sell us one for $15,000, I think it was.
Really?
Yeah, it was just an enormous price.
Good thinking anyway, sir.
You would have to have, it couldn't be out loud, you'd have to have headphones on or it would foul, but it would get into a loop.
But what he's saying would work.
And I suppose that might be the next step if somebody could help you out electronically.
Listen, you two, we're at the end of a program.
Boy, it just goes whoosh, like that.
It just flew.
Is there a way for people to contact you?
Yeah, anyone who wants to contact us can write to GIS at ghostpix.com or they can go to the website at ghostpix.com and contact any one of the members individually.
And of course, we've got a link up there.
Until we meet next time, folks, thank you so much once again.
Thank you, Art.
For another eerie night.
If I have trouble sleeping tonight, it's your fault.
Okay.
Happy holidays to all of you.
Happy holidays to you, Art.
Take care.
Merry Christmas.
Bye-bye.
I'm Art Bell.
Ta-ta.
Shooting stars across the sky.
This magical journey will take us on a ride.
Filled with the longing, searching for the truth.
We make it till tomorrow, where the sun will shine on you.
Midnight in the desert, I'm a less than, ooh a less than a you
I'm a less than, ooh a less than a you I'm a less than, ooh a less than a you
I'm a less than, ooh a less than a you I'm a less than, ooh a less than a you
I'm a less than, ooh a less than a you Midnight in the desert, and there's wisdom in the air
I've been looking for the answers, all my life I've found Midnight in the desert, and there's wisdom in the air.
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