Art Bell welcomes Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath of the Ghost Investigators Society (GIS), who share eerie EVP encounters—like "Mrs. Eccles" whispering "it’s a white night" at Utah’s Ben Lomond Hotel, tied to a perfume scent, or a child’s voice repeating nursery rhymes in an abandoned theater. They debate whether spirits linger due to unresolved earthly issues (e.g., hatred, jealousy) or electromagnetic interference, like cell phones disrupting manifestations. GIS avoids "go to the light" commands, instead asking for help without recorded replies, while Strieber calls from a truck to discuss EVPs in Massachusetts’ ancient cemeteries. Listeners propose tech fixes, like dual-headed recorders, but Cook and McBeath stress intuition over gadgets, urging others to join their quest at ghostpicks.com—where the unseen may still speak. [Automatically generated summary]
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Whitley, who's been a friend now for, I don't know, we'll have to rummage over that.
It's been a long time.
He, of course, is the host of Dreamland on Saturdays now.
And he's got, well, as you know, Whitley and I wrote a book called The Coming Global Superstorm.
Maybe you didn't know that.
We did.
And it was about rapid climate change, an idea, you know, at the time that we wrote the book that was outlandish.
Now, those aren't my words.
Those are the words of some pundits and thought of as pretty wild stuff by some TV anchors.
And now, of course, there's some pretty late-breaking news that would tend to vindicate our point of view with regard to rapid climate change.
We'll talk a little bit about that in a minute.
First, the war news.
Many Afghan tribal fighters have apparently taken off from the White Mountains on Tuesday, saying basically they've won.
They've defeated Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terror network.
Only a few hundred of the estimated 1,000 to 2,000 al-Qaeda forces were reported to have been either killed or captured.
Now, isn't that a few hundred of the estimated 1,000 to 2,000?
Others may have fled the bombing.
And many senior Taliban officials have slipped away into Pakistan where they're being protected by Pakistani authorities and money talks.
And you know about the rest, right?
The United States is entering a new phase in the war now in Afghanistan.
And apparently, this stage is the we're going cave to cave stage, and we're going to find bin Laden checking cave by cave.
That would be a dangerous job, to be sure.
So if you'll stay put right where you are, Whitley's Friend were coming up.
Then in the next hour, electronic voice phenomena, voices from the other side.
It is astounding.
Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth both are amazing people who do what they do with no remuneration.
They don't get paid for it.
They don't write books.
They don't do anything.
They just do what they do because they love it.
It's an astounding phenomenon.
It really is an astounding phenomenon, particularly in view of the lady Pam that I had on and some of the stories I've been hearing recently about people who have not just had near-death experiences, but death experiences.
I'm on the track of several right now.
Just amazing, just blow-you-away kind of stories.
So coming up in a moment, if you want to know what the weather is going to be like, if you want to know what's coming, then you're going to want to listen because we were right then and we're right now.
Let me read you a very, very quick story that I just received tonight, not an hour ago.
Planet Earth's average temperature in 2001 is expected to be the second highest since global records began, 140 years ago, according to the UN Weather Agency.
World Meteorological Organization Deputy Secretary, the Deputy Secretary General of it, said the warming temperatures led to an increase in the severity and frequency of storms and droughts and other unusual weather conditions.
Temperatures are getting hotter, and they are getting hotter faster now than any time in the past.
I'm still quoting.
Since nine of the ten warmest years in the last four decades have occurred since 1990 and temperatures, now get this, are rising three times faster than in the early 90s.
That was the Deputy Secretary General of the World Meteorological Organization, and that story is just breaking.
And it just is a sort of a sign of what's happening.
You know, we have, with the National Academy of Sciences sort of announcement just a couple of days ago that abrupt climate change is a real possibility, a lot of things have changed.
Among them, our book, which was, I think, in reviewing another book in Book List, another book about the weather, Book List makes reference to our book being preposterous, which is sort of the way the media took our book.
And, you know, it's really a good thing that this they finally have faced this because one of the points that I think that you and I, when we were working on the book, found was that there's absolutely No monitoring of the strength of ocean current.
There's some, I take that back, but it's not the kind of detailed monitoring that is needed.
Now, with the National Academy of Sciences weighing in on this and saying specifically that ocean current are the problem, they particularly mention the Gulf Stream.
Well, they do because, of course, if it slows or disintegrates virtually, which is certainly a possibility, they're saying now, they're admitting, Europe would roughly be subjected to a climate which would approximate that of Alaska.
But during the process of it happening, once the Gulf Stream stops, really, to an extent, depending on the time of year when it happens, there's evidence from the past, by the way, that this has happened before.
I want to get into the causes of it, because there's some very interesting new data that suggests that this might not be entirely man-made, that we may be the equivalent of a medium-sized volcano, but not necessarily the whole cause of the thing.
Well, of course, you know, there's a real open question about that because take a company like DuPont, which went on a program of massively reducing its atmospheric emissions just as a company.
And, of course, DuPont being a chemical company, it has heavy-duty emissions.
And what they found was that a program that they had budgeted millions of dollars for became so cost-effective so quickly that it's become a profit center.
Because in reducing their emissions, they increased their efficiency so much, they also reduced their costs.
Well, I think what most people want to know, most Americans, I mean, even with Europe, believe it or not, we sit here and we say Europe could turn into Alaska, and they go, oh, well, too bad for Europe.
Right.
But if we have a full global climate change, one thing you might explain to people is what it could mean for them.
Well, in our book and in a number of other places, most notably in a long article in the Atlantic Monthly a few years ago and in some scientific studies about the last time there was a climate upheaval like this, which was about 15,000 BC, there was evidence that it happened very suddenly over a single season.
And apparently what occurred then was methane poured into the atmosphere as the sun, and we'll talk about the sun's role in this in a few minutes.
Yeah, they are really experiencing it very personally up there, what's happening.
But in any case, when this happens, it makes the atmosphere so uniformly warm that the Gulf Stream, which depends on the water being cold in the north and warm in the south, to generate the current, the energy that's generated by the differing temperatures of water are what caused the current to flow.
Just exactly the way differing energies in high and low weather systems, when you're in between them, you'll notice a great deal of energy in the form of wind or whatever.
Now, if that stops, what happens, what the fossil record suggests happens, is there is one whale of a storm.
And the reason is that the warm air has been being pumped up from the Arctic and has filled, I mean from the equator and from the tropics and has filled the Arctic.
The Gulf Stream therefore collapses.
And when it does, there's suddenly nothing pushing that warm air up there anymore.
And the cold air that has been pushed all the way into the upper atmosphere, the cold comes pouring down.
It happened about 15,000 years ago, and has been painstakingly pointed out by some scientists that this was very violent and a very intense thing, and most of them don't want to face that.
And it's why we ran into trouble like when we were out on TV because people just don't want to face it.
And, you know, what we really ought to be doing is just forget the emotions and objectively figure out what's really going on and plan for whatever we have to plan for.
Ah, but you see, that requires the leaders that I was talking to you about a little while ago to realize that these agencies, forget listening to us, you know, these agencies that they sustain with government money, our money, that they listen to them and they're not listening to them because the implications of listening to them are, well, they're not something they can face up to.
And especially because of the fact that the United States Congress and the administration, all of them are heavily influenced by lobbyists who are saying that this isn't a problem.
And unfortunately, a lot of different companies and industries that could benefit from reducing their emissions are working on the assumption that that would be a very costly process that they would not be able to recover from and that it would cause them a lot of economic hardship.
And the opposite, at least according to DuPont's experience, is true.
Let me again ask you, people in the United States, people in this country, people listening right now, or in Canada, you know, in North America, what would North America, if such a shift occurred and rapidly, if it occurred, what would we likely experience?
You would see blizzards reaching down into the central United States that in their centers and in the northern reaches would be essentially not survivable, in all probability.
That's what I think.
I think that you would see the destruction essentially of Canada.
And the United States would be very, very severely damaged if we're right about the speed of this.
And as I say, I think we are.
I think the evidence is there that it has happened like this in the past.
This is what, of course, the media, they don't want to alarm people.
Well, now, though, there are a lot of warnings, the ones we've been talking about.
I read you one.
You referred to the other one.
They are starting to issue these warnings.
Why do you think suddenly what, I mean, after all, the news of prior rapid climate change has been around or has been known, certainly, to geologists for a long time, Whitley?
So why now these agencies making public statements like this?
Well, I think what we think is that because it's never changed in our lifetimes, it's hard for us to imagine nature, from our point of view, turning against us in such a way.
It's just hard to imagine.
It's one of those stable things, like you say, standing on the earth.
Nature just doesn't do that.
There's weather ups and downs, but there's sort of a general average that's pleasing to humanity.
Well, that may not always be so.
Bottom of the hour, Whitley, and we'll be right back.
I'm Art Bell.
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I want to quote just a little bit here from the National Academy of Sciences, because we spoke about it, but we didn't tell you what they said in part.
Now, this is byline Robert C. Cohen, a special of the Christian Science Monitor, and the headline is interesting.
It says, Be prepared.
Sudden shifts in climate coming.
If you're concerned about forecasts of long-term global warming, you might be worried about the wrong thing.
The U.S. National Academy of Sciences warns that sudden, unexpected climate change on a scale that could cause widespread drought or plunge Earth into a deep freeze poses a more immediate danger.
The evidence embedded in ancient tree rings and ice cores are signs that quick, drastic change is a fundamental characteristic of Earth's climate.
As data show that the climate can switch abruptly from one mode, such as an ice age, to another, such as a milder interglacial period, climatologists say.
Well, you know, I was thinking when you were reading the story about the National Science Foundation that people must be wondering, well, what is the signal?
Is there anything that can give us some kind of warning?
Well, what worries me about the way this has changed, and it has changed a lot in two years, but it's easy enough for them to say, oh, well, we always knew this, but boy, when you and I were out there, they surely didn't seem to know it.
Now, one of the things, some of I have on my website, which is unknowncountry.com, on the homepage, down the left-hand column, the first thing you see as you go down there is something that says What's View.
And in What's View, there is a section called Quick Watch.
You click on it, and that takes you to four or five different data points.
The water temperatures in the far North Atlantic, on the East Scotia slope, this is right in the Gulf Stream, right?
And the temperature at the magnetic North Pole, the air temperature, the polar ice cap status, the condition of the Gulf Stream, and something called straddlert, which tells us whether or not the upper atmosphere is warmer than it should be.
You know, when they announced that the other day, Wed, I came on the air and I said, you know, how come they tell us the ice caps on Mars are about to melt.
And reminding myself, we're the third out from the sun here, right?
Third way from the sun.
And so, so, yeah, and so if they're going to be affected in that manner, then for gosh sakes, why didn't the people who did this report ask any questions about the effect on the third planet?
It's intentional on the part of people who think they have something to lose by facing it, big companies primarily and the politicians who go with them.
But I think that the average person is perfectly willing to face it.
And not only that, I think we have any number of ways of getting around this.
I think that we can probably learn to live with the changed climate.
The thing that you have to watch for, and this is, we monitor this regularly on our website, and believe me, anybody who watches it will find out very quickly if this change is a sudden drop in this temperature, because it would mean that the Gulf Stream had collapsed.
And that's, we used to monitor an even better buoy, by the way.
This buoy has been set up by the Canadians.
It's a Canadian buoy, but the one that I mentioned specifically in the part of that section of Superstorm was taken down by the U.S. government.
We could probably, if the process is indeed as oriented towards human activity as they claim, then presumably we could have some effect on it if we were to reduce our emissions.
But the last time it happened, what occurred was, as I was saying earlier, the permafrost melted.
And that melt was triggered, not triggered by people setting, building campfires, because, you know, there weren't all that many people around at that time.
It was triggered, it had to have been triggered by the sun.
There's no other heat source that could have done it.
And whatever the sun did then, it appears to be doing again.
And will it do it enough to cause this whole process to occur or not?
We don't know.
But one thing we should do is we should certainly keep watch on it, and science should try to understand it instead of holding their head in the sand.
So this National Science Foundation thing is a good step forward because they are finally saying that, yes, there is a problem.
Of course, nobody bothered to say that we were right, but that's...
You know, now I'll get out on a limb a little bit, Whitley.
Other than the scientific evidence and now what these organizations are saying, all fine and well.
But back when we wrote the book, I knew instinctually, emotionally, I don't know, maybe even psychically, as we're all psychic to some degree, not to any special degree in my case, thank you.
But I just knew, I felt in my gut that we were on the verge of a gigantic weather change, and that's all emotional stuff.
But it's important to me, I'm rarely wrong about these things, and I felt it so, so strongly, and I still do.
Well, I've felt the sense of there being a change of some kind in the absence of the wind for a while.
I have, I guess when we were starting to go on the tour and I was beginning to see this horrible weather in Europe, I wasn't really surprised.
You know something that speaking that came across my desk just today, this is from the German magazine Der Spiegel, a listener to Dreamland, sent this to me.
It turns out, you speak of wild weather, that the German cruise ship Bremen last February was taking an Antarctic cruise when the ship encountered a 115-foot wave that came out of nowhere and nearly capsized it.
I mean, and the cruise line successfully covered the whole thing up.
The story was not, it didn't make the news, and they claim that there was no damage and nobody was hurt, but one of the passengers claims that he saw bodies in the war.
So, according to De Spiegel, which is a pretty ricket at the time magazine of Germany.
The remarkable thing about it is, though, I think that 115 feet is about the largest wave that's ever been observed.
And interestingly enough, there is an organization that has been set up to study, basically to study rogue waves and these extremes that are taking place, and there's evidence, but it's not entirely clear that this is happening, but that there is more and more of this taking place, that it's a rapidly growing phenomenon.
Well, another attitude that's out there, and I do understand this attitude to a large degree, is, look, maybe you guys are right, but there's not a damn thing we can do about it.
There's really nothing ultimately we can do about it.
It's forces that are way beyond our control, and to some degree, I mean, those people are correct.
They are correct.
At a personal level, you say to yourself, you know, if the Earth's climate changes, what am I going to do about it?
Well, you see, that's where I think that we underestimate ourselves.
The human species has got a tremendous amount of ingenuity and energy, and I have a feeling that if we really tackled this, there would be all kinds of unexpected changes that we would be able to make that we can't even imagine right now.
Let's imagine for a second, and I think I believe this, that our government at some level understands and has indeed absorbed these reports and understands what may lie ahead.
One could imagine that all sorts of covert, I mean, after all, before these public statements are made by these UN organizations and our own meteorological organizations.
You know that others were consulted before it was made public.
So I mean, they know.
So an open question would be: could there be ongoing experimental programs trying to avert what's coming?
Over the Perup Valley earlier today, we had heavy, all-day-type chemtrail activities.
It's really starting up again in my area.
But yeah, that's one of the things they say.
Do you imagine it to be possible, Woodley, whether it's chemtrails or something else, that there is an effort to somehow modify or lessen what may be coming?
I think that such an effort, yeah, and I would think that there might be a lot of reasons to keep it secret, too.
Among them, the concerns about the economy, the insurance industry, which would take an unbelievable hit on its stock, on its shares if anything like this was made public.
The fear factor, people wanting to move away from seacoasts or away from areas that they feared might be vulnerable to the power.
And so it's inevitable that if there is an effort to do something about this, like, for example, trying to reduce the amount of light reaching the planet by the use of something like chemtrails.
There's a lot of evidence that others have existed.
I mean, look at the city off Cuba now, Wit.
Look at all the other archaeological evidence building up, and maybe it's always a race from the formation of intelligent man, and I'm obviously suggesting intelligent man has been around before and gone.
Maybe it's always a race, Wit, from the time man steps foot on Earth and begins to grasp some sort of technology, whether it be like ours or very different, a race to see whether he can beat the elements getting him.
Because, I mean, that area hasn't been, as far as we understand it, hasn't been above water in thousands and thousands of years.
So incidentally, an interesting thing is happening with that.
The National Geographic Society was supposed to go there this summer, and now because of 9-11 and what they described as Cuban red tape, it's being put off.
Well, somebody takes a tremendous interest in our not knowing too much about the past.
For example, a good friend of mine found out quite by accident that there is very heavy-duty, classified information of some kind about the Nazca Lines.
Now, what possible, why would something allegedly made by Indians using kites a thousand years ago be of any, why would it have to be classified?
And we keep having Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth back because their material is absolutely incredible and credible.
Incredible and credible.
And they're credible.
They don't take a penny for what they do.
They don't write books, at least not yet.
They're not selling anything.
They just do what they do because they're fascinated.
And I've got to tell you, I have them on for the same reason.
Now, I had Pam Reynolds on about a week ago.
Pam Reynolds came closer to making me a believer, a firm believer, I might add, in the other side, in the fact that we exist after we die, than any program that I've done to date.
And I've done a bunch.
That program had a profound effect on me.
That woman, that woman, well, she died.
She died.
All the blood drained from her body, all of her blood gone.
Her heart stopped.
Her brain waves zero.
Almost an hour.
An hour.
Dead.
And yet, this lady was able to describe what went on during the operation in linear time.
She could account for the hour that she was D E A D dead.
We're going to have her doctor.
We're on the trail of getting her doctor on too, by the way, who will attest to all of that.
So when you hear something like that, if it does not have a very profound effect on you, then you just weren't listening.
I mean, where was Pam for that hour?
She was dead, only her consciousness wasn't.
So that comes pretty close for me to the kind of proof that I've been searching for that there is life on the other side.
And electronic voice phenomena would seem also to underscore that very heavily.
And that's why we keep having Brendan and Barbara back tonight.
You're going to hear never heard recordings, never before heard recordings that have been recorded on blank audio tape.
They have certain protocols for what they do.
They have absolutely brand new audio tape that's never had any recording on it before.
And these two tromp off to places like cemeteries and prisons, and they've been all over the place.
And they record.
And what they come up with sometimes is a little worrisome.
Sometimes is just comforting.
Sometimes, you know, it depends on how you take it and how you feel about your knowledge and your belief of what's going to come after you pass out of the physical world.
And after all, we're not here all that long, any of us on this mortal earth, are we?
So I think you truly will find the next several hours enlightening in more ways than one if you listen to it with an open mind and know that these two, as I said, are very credible at presenting the incredible.
And I know it sounds incredible, but maybe not so much if you listen to Pam Reynolds.
Stay right there.
Well, the official little intro bio reads, Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society.
The Ghost Investigators Society, or GIS, we'll call it, you'll hear us referred to GIS a lot, is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
Not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, educate anyone who believes they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena or those who are just simply curious.
Brendan and Barbara have recordings of ghost voices, also called EVP.
And I've known about that all my life.
Electronic voice phenomena stands, EVP stands for electronic voice phenomena.
The phenomena occurs when the voices of a spirit interrupt an electromagnetic field EMF, so in turn using audio tape, in other words from a micro-cassette recorder, reveals these voices, whereas before they couldn't be heard by a human ear.
The same way with a dog whistle, the dog in this case being the audio recorder, we as humans cannot pick up the sound of this dog whistle because the frequency is simply too high.
We don't even know it's being sounded.
But the dog, on the other hand, instantly notices because his eardrum is designed to hear higher frequencies than we can.
The audio recorder uses magnets to record on tape when an electromagnetic field is interrupted, such as when paranormal activity occurs.
This in turn affects the tape.
In other words, electronic voice phenomena.
It's eerie.
It's strange to listen to.
And here once again would be Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
But, you know, nobody can answer the question, where was Pam for that hour?
Where was she?
Where could she possibly have been?
How, in heaven's name, could she have described what went on in the operating room in incredible detail, accounting for the hour, plus accounting for where she went to the other side, meeting relatives and the whole thing.
It is a profound story.
It's totally backed up by every medical record you could imagine.
And if that doesn't cause you to start believing that there's consciousness after death, then I don't know what will.
And I'm pretty hard to convince.
I've always been a doubter on the subject.
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I personally believe that the consciousness continues on.
Even though the body dies, we do continue.
There's been too many documented cases of not in the extreme of hers, but people that have been pronounced clinically dead and have experienced that.
But you see, one argument always made by the critics in cases like that would be, well, you know, the brain doesn't die instantly.
It takes the brain a little bit of time to die.
And during that process, people see, you know, it dies from the outside moving inward, and so they tend to see a white light or something in the middle.
And that's how a lot of neurologists have explained away this phenomena that so many millions now have experienced.
But in the case of Pam, it's a little harder to explain that one away because there was no activity, zero brain activity measured by some of the best medical people in the entire world.
Okay, but, all right, let's go to electronic voice phenomena.
So much of what you get on tape appears to me or seems to be a direct response to something that a living, breathing human being has said, provoked, or asked.
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Yes, many of them are responding to what is taking place at the time or being said at the time.
So that would indicate to me that they must have a much clearer view from their side of our dimension or whatever word you want to use than we have of theirs.
Have you ever had, before we get into these, have you ever had communication from a spirit which you thought was at a different or in a different place, a different realm?
There are many who feel that only one level above us can communicate back to us, but that not other higher levels.
But I believe that the voices that we record are stuck in this plane that's with us.
I think that they have not gone on to where they should go.
I think that they are stuck here for some reason, whatever reason.
They haven't resolved something or they don't realize they're dead.
they're in the same realm, unseen by us.
I think that people that have continued on to where they go and are experienced by one of their loved ones or something like that, they are coming back for a purpose.
But the ones that we record, I believe, are still around us.
And people will notice if you've got a cassette recorder, try it yourself.
When you receive a tape, open it up, take the Zellovane off and put it in.
It'll be dead quiet.
After you've recorded, even if you go out, for example, and you leave your recorder in a silent room and then you listen back to the recording, you will hear the soft hiss.
It'll sound different.
You'll hear the soft hiss and background ambient noise, whatever it might be of this supposedly totally silent room.
So you will know it's been a tape that has been recorded on.
And I just want everybody to understand, these are absolutely first-rate, right-out of the cellophane, blank tapes that these voices appear on.
That's correct.
Another thing people say as, well, maybe you were near a radio station and you got some RF radiation or something that got into your tape machine and there was a little hint of a voice on there or something from that, from a radio or TV broadcast.
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Yeah, and we hear that quite a bit, actually.
And, you know, truth be told, it does happen.
But the sound quality of the voice that ends up as a radio transmission on the tape, you can tell the difference between EVP and a radio transmission.
There's a different sound quality.
And then on top of that, the majority of these voices are interacting with us.
If not what we're asking them, they interact with something that we're doing just amongst ourselves as a group.
I'll let people conclude what they will from listening to these tapes, but I conclude the other side is neither a happy nor an unhappy place.
Probably both.
In other words, as you listen to the voices you hear tonight, folks, I think you're going to realize that you're hearing both very happy souls and very unhappy souls.
And I haven't even listened to the recordings yet, but would that be a safe conclusion?
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Yes, it would be.
It's just like people that you meet in everyday life.
take a listen to this phone You know, all right, it does say, I'm not far.
But the way it says it would lead me to believe either one of two things.
The spirit almost like has a cold or it has a British accent.
I can't tell which.
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Exactly.
That's one of the first things I told Barbara when we were thinking about using this voice for the show that I believed it either had an accent or it was nasally congested.
This was recorded by GIS member Jenny, and nothing was really being said at this time.
she just recorded this voice that says really and i don't know if it was referring to something that we were doing or she was doing or what but it just Came out of nowhere.
I mean, I was a 911 operator in Monterey County, and I don't know if I picked up the phone and I said, 911, emergency, and you said, well, I suppose you wouldn't call 911.
You know, even if I was in a sheriff's department, I picked up the phone, you said, say, listen, we're just letting you know, we're going to be in a cemetery recording voices of the dead.
I wanted to let you know ahead of time.
I might dispatch a car just based on your saying that.
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Well, we will, what I have done in the past is if I, like when we were up in Wyoming, we wanted to go to a cemetery in this town where we were staying overnight.
And the first policeman I saw out on patrol, I approached him and asked him if there was any kind of ordinance for that city to be in the cemetery after dark.
Right.
And told him what we were doing and why we were there.
And we wanted to do an investigation in the cemetery.
And he said that it was fine with him and he'd notify the other officers that we were in there.
Well, I've had all of these emails because now you've been on with me a number of times, so I've had a lot of response to your programs.
And, you know, some people have taken up the challenge and they've gone out, and I've had some really incredible responses like, you know, I was kind of laughing at this, but oh my God, Art, listen to this, and they'll send me sound clips.
But that's also what I hear from everybody in the field of study, that whatever we understand time-wise here, has no meaning whatsoever, no relevance on the other side.
Based on all you've heard, not just tonight's EVP and all we're going to play, but all you've done for all your career of collecting this stuff, what have you guys concluded that the American people should know about the other side?
If you were just to sum it up, and what would you say?
unidentified
Well, I would say to try to resolve things in this life and be as kind and the best person that you can be because you're not going to change after you die and your mental troubles and problems are going to be with you still.
And a ghost that's supposed to haunt this place, her name's Mrs. Eccles, and she's supposed to have a scent of strong lilacs that accompanies her whenever she manifests herself.
And we were doing this investigation at this hotel, and suddenly one of the members had smelled this lilac smell and had said, what's that smell?
Right.
And this voice comes in.
It's a clear woman's voice that says, it's a white night.
Now, for a long time, this made no sense to us whatsoever.
Do you think that they welcome that and then sort of try to turn it into a tourist attraction?
I know a lot of hotels don't want a damn thing to do with it.
They just don't want anything to do with anything like that, and they think that it will keep potential customers away and scare them, and they'll go somewhere else.
I mean, how do they feel about it?
unidentified
You know, I don't know if they're using it so much as a tourist attraction, but I do know that they are quite proud of the ghost that they have there, and they're very willing to talk about it.
Yeah, in fact, you know, I think in February on the Discovery Channel, they're going to be doing something about the ghost that's supposed to haunt this place.
Somebody is fast blasting me, wanting to know, actually, a number of people, you two, whether there's any danger that any of these entities that you have recorded would take more than just note of you and have ever followed you home.
unidentified
It is possible, and we've heard of cases that that's happened, and I've suspected that it's happened with me.
Oh.
One of the reasons, one of the things we always ask people to do is when you're done with an investigation, tell them, I mean, out loud, physically out loud, say, I'm leaving now and you're not welcome to come home with us.
Now, let's think about that statement for a moment.
If that came from the other side, you would think that problems and things to wonder about, you know, once you're dead, those questions would all be answered.
And over on the other side, you wouldn't...
But over on the other side, you think they've got the same dilemmas going on on a day-to-day basis?
unidentified
Well, you know, really, I think he could have been referring to us.
And that would indicate, I mean, a child's voice, a child's voice.
So then, if you die as an old man or an old woman, you are an old voice, and if you die as a child, you are a child's voice, or can we not come to those conclusions from hearing these?
unidentified
Well, you know, the thing with this is we just don't know.
Any idea, you two, why such short bursts are able to come through and only such short bursts, I mean, if it's constant barrage, you know, like they say in the song, the bumper music that I play, 40,000 men and women every day, you know, that's a lot that die here on Earth and go sailing on over to the other side.
It ought to be a cacophony.
It ought to just be a real crowded place.
Again, like an idiot, I pretend to understand the nature of the other side.
Maybe there's plenty of space, but you'd think there would be many, many, many spirits over there, wouldn't you?
unidentified
I believe there are.
Well, you know, it's possible that this might be these little short bursts or all the energy they have just to make these short sentences.
you know, they obviously don't have the physical vocal cords to do this.
All right, let's try playing the 10th cut cold and see what the audience hears.
unidentified
Well, this next one, you're going to hear a person that we had with us, she was referring to a camera that was malfunctioning for some reason at this cemetery.
Well, I don't know about oh no, but it was obviously some sort of response.
Now, I've been talking to other people, last night's guest, for example, who said that cameras taken into recently created crop circles, and this is really well documented by all kinds of commercial camera crews as well as amateur, the batteries tend to die in the fields in these crop circles.
And I think that you have experienced some of the same thing, haven't you?
unidentified
Yes.
A lot of our electronic equipment will malfunction.
In fact, that last voice, the lady that says it happened again, is referring to a camera that was malfunctioning.
We've got one more for everybody to guess, and we have the luxury of having a break come up so we can play this next cut and let people guess what it is they're hearing.
I assume that you guys don't do this instantly the way I'm making the audience do right now.
You sit down and probably listen to it a hundred times over, don't you, before you finally settle in on whatever.
Well, obviously they have a very difficult time getting it through legibly.
Whatever the problem is from the other side, it's very hard to get it through legibly.
unidentified
Yes.
And what you said about it sounding like someone that's talking that has a sore throat, if you've ever had a severe sore throat, it is very hard to pronounce your words correctly, and that's a good analogy.
I am, though, beginning to certainly believe there absolutely is something.
The evidence to me is mounting very, very heavily on the side that there is something after this physical death, and what y'all are doing here certainly adds to that.
All right, number 13.
unidentified
All right, well, this one was recorded in the same military fort in Salt Lake City, and we believe it just simply says he's scared.
He was talking to the museum curator, and he had was going down into the basement, and he had scared himself, and he had told the curator that he had scared himself.
Yeah, and, you know, of course, tonight, for a radio show, it's much easier to play the louder, more pronounced stuff, but the majority of the voices we record are whispers.
Many of them we can't use because they are so whispery.
And if you tell us what we're about to hear first, it's a lot easier to hear it.
And probably the tendency of the human brain is to try and match what you're saying it is with what we're playing here.
That's correct.
So I agree with the people who say that if we don't tell people what it is, they're probably going to come up with a million different interpretations, as we just proved, a few of which will be very much like what you heard or I heard, but they'll still be very, very different.
The only unambiguous thing here is that these do appear to be voices from the other side.
Unless there's any other answer, is there any other possible answer that the two of you have come up with with regard to what you're hearing other than voices from the other side?
unidentified
You know, really, there isn't any other answer that I've come up with.
As I mentioned before, it is possible to get radio transmission, which we have picked up before.
If you're getting a commercial transmission, it's going to be very, very, very easy to identify.
Very easy to identify.
And that's not the way these sound, not even close.
unidentified
Yes, you know, what proves this to me, in my mind, is the fact that they interact with us.
And, you know, since I've started and up until now, and probably until I quit doing it, which I don't know when that'll be, the most amazing aspect is that they do interact.
Oh, well, again, usually an audience will, in an attempt to shoot holes in something like this, say, oh, come on, you know, play and don't tell them what's being said.
And the audience is correct.
I mean, you do come up with a million different interpretations because people's ears are hearing different things.
All that is left for them to explain is how these voices get on these tapes and how they sound like this and how they appear to be responsive more times than not to something you are saying or doing, which implies some kind of consciousness.
Of course, I suppose they could suggest you are the ones attaching the relevance to what's being said.
What about that?
unidentified
That's true.
And, you know, we get emails like this all the time just because of the nature of what we're doing.
And really all we can tell people is if they question it, to try it for themselves.
How many people write to you guys and are angry and don't like what you're doing and think you're tampering in areas that will bring you misfortune or a haunting or bad will of some sort?
In other words, they're very unhappy with your doing this.
Go to a cemetery, for example, and do you attempt, should they attempt, take the tape recorder along and then do you begin talking to the graves, talking to the area, talking to the air?
Okay, well, there are a lot of people who think that you're taking a risk, that you're opening a door, that what you're doing is the equivalent of sitting down to play with a Ouija board.
Do you all think that the hauntings are related to specific buildings, old buildings in particular, or the land on which they sit, the area, the physical area in which they are?
unidentified
I think the majority could be.
And, you know, you mentioned the land.
There's a popular misconception that it's always over an old ancient Indian burial ground.
In fact, we hear that probably 80% of the time when people call us, they will say that their house was built on an ancient Indian burial ground.
And, you know, it doesn't necessarily mean that that's correct.
Who knows what could have happened on that land hundreds, thousands of years ago?
I mean, that could cause it to be haunted.
If it's true that ghosts don't have a concept of time, I mean, they could still be haunting that land even though they died over a thousand years ago.
How frequently do these voices overlap your voices?
In other words, in the middle of either asking a question or trying to elicit a response or speaking to the air or whatever you do, the voice comes in on top of your voice.
unidentified
It'll happen quite often because we're not aware that we're getting a response at the time.
And, you know, honestly, I think that's one of the clearest child's voices that I've heard, with the exception of that It's Dark In Here that we've played on your show before.
Yes.
You know, the night I recorded that, but found that on the tape, I phoned Barbara and told her that I had heard that.
And, you know, I almost felt guilty because I was excited about hearing this clear voice, but yet it made me feel so bad that this child felt so alone and just sounded like he was so alone.
That children are over there wherever there is and whatever it is, and they're alone, and sometimes they're scared and they're frightened and they think it's dark.
And that just doesn't sound like the expectation that I have of what the other side would be like, especially for a child.
unidentified
Yeah, say, and the thing that got me about this location, too, was the children sounded incredibly young.
Again, who are we to know the nature of the other side?
And admittedly, we don't.
But hearing that is just so unnerving and so worrisome.
Why would a child be either lonely, scared, or cold on the other side?
Anybody want to take a shot at that one?
unidentified
No, I had a friend talking to me about this, and she said maybe one of the reasons that we get so many children is that the families are mourning and won't let them go.
Yeah, mourning does seem to have a lot to do with it, and it does seem like relatives who will not let go, just absolutely will not let go, don't they?
They keep these spirits on this side, don't they?
unidentified
Yes, and I think that there is a lot to be said for that.
I believe that, but I can't understand what the child would be doing in this theater, but.
I had a question About how you thought these voices were formed on the tape.
I've been following EVP for a few years now, and I think the most fascinating thing is where the voices manipulate sounds in the environment, and it's almost like the sounds transform into the voice.
I was wondering: do you think the voices are like imprinted on the tape?
Telekinetically, or are they actually produced in the air around the tape?
Well, you know, there's numerous different theories on how this actually takes place.
Yeah, but I'd like to note that, for example, tonight, in at least two instances, people heard audibly what came on the tape.
unidentified
Well, yeah, and that goes to my next theory, that I believe some other voices are using variant sounds that are in the atmosphere or in that location to form their voice.
Yeah, you would think anybody who in life had had a passion for receiving voices from the other side would be a likely transmitter when they got on the other side because they'd be intent on doing specifically that.
unidentified
Yeah, and I had read an article where he had said that he would try to leave his voice on somebody's recorder.
I believe it was a man that was working with him.
He said he would come back to him and leave his voice on his recorder.
I had a comment, too.
I looked up for the lady who was saying White Knight.
And my question is, once you hear these recordings and you hear what the people are saying and they sound sad and scared and everything like that, do you ever go back to the place and tell them to go to the light to kind of end their misery?
We will return to the location and we will ask, is there anything that we can do for you?
Although I've never recorded an answer to that.
We do not tell them to go to the light.
Is that because you want to keep going back and recording them?
No, no, no, no.
I feel like whatever I do is not going to make a difference whether they go or not.
I feel like a lot of these ghosts that are still lingering around there is a reason why they're staying and they haven't resolved whatever they need to resolve.
And I was just wondering, why do they think that they are being communicated with?
I mean, this kind of goes back to the last question, but I mean, are they trying to get help or are they just eager to communicate like any living human being?
Okay.
Well, when we go out on an investigation and we go to these locations that have reported ghost activity, we invite who is ever there to join in our conversation and talk with us.
And most of the time, we will get at least a voice within that first hour.
Sometimes we won't get anything at a place that we've gotten voices before.
We won't get anything On a certain night.
But we always talk to them like they are a living person.
We're respectful.
Most of the time they'll join in our conversation and talk with us amongst ourselves when we're talking and respond to things that we're talking about amongst each other.
Can you hear these?
At the time when we record them, most of the time we can't.
We don't hear them usually until we go back home and listen to our taste.
Because they live in Utah, a lot of what you tend to hear, obviously, is from prisons and graveyards and theaters and so forth that are near to them and easy access.
But you all have done some traveling, right?
Yes.
If you hear of a real hotspot, is there a sort of a net of EVP people?
Do you know where the hotspots are?
unidentified
No, what I usually do is I will go and ask people if they know of any locations that are reportedly haunted.
Okay.
If we travel to an area and, you know, take it from there.
We seek out places that have had reported activity.
Do you get, well, a micro cassette recorder would not give you as much quality, or would it, you tell me, as a, I don't know, you know, a whoop-de-doo downtown cassette type recorder.
unidentified
I believe personally the quality would be pretty close to the same.
And that's just my own personal thought.
We haven't used the regular size tape recorders as much as we've used the microcassette recorders.
See, last time you guys were on, I think, you played one particular sample that was really interesting.
It was one of those children's voices, which I know Art hates.
But she said something to the effect of, can you talk with it?
And right at that moment, I kind of got an idea in my head.
I was wondering, I don't know, I'm not too well into electronics or anything, but wondering whether or not it would be possible to create a tape recorder with two heads on it so that you could basically record and then after a few seconds away actually hear what you just recorded.
And you might actually be able to communicate more in real time with these entities.
You'd have to have headphones on or it would foul.
But it would get into a loop.
But what he's saying would work.
And I suppose that might be the next step if somebody could help you out electronically.
Listen, you do.
We're at the end of a program.
Boy, it just goes whoosh like that.
Is there a way for people to contact you?
unidentified
Yeah, anyone who wants to contact us can write to GIS at ghostpicks.com or they can go to the website at ghostpicks.com and contact any one of the members individually.