Pam Reynolds, clinically dead for an hour during 1991 aneurysm surgery at Phoenix’s Barrow Institute—heart stopped, blood drained, brain flatlined—described a vivid "soul experience" with cellular vision, a bright light ("God’s breath"), and warnings about irreversible changes. She claims to have downloaded knowledge on 2012’s polar shifts and global consciousness while hearing Hotel California post-revival, defying conventional science. Though skeptical doctors later validated her account, Reynolds insists her insights reveal humanity’s interconnected spiritual evolution, not rigid dogma, and hints at a broader, unexplained physical law. [Automatically generated summary]
I guess I'll begin by telling you that next hour, you know, we frequently have, because I guess we're also interested in what lies on the other side, we have guests on the program who have had near-death experiences.
Tonight, for the first time, we're going to have a guest who really died.
She really died.
She had an embolism in her brain.
She's Pam Reynolds.
She had an embolism in her brain.
And a group of very daring surgeons in Phoenix, Arizona brought her to what's known as stand still.
And what happens is your body is cooled to 58 degrees Fahrenheit.
The heart stops.
Most of the blood is drained from the body.
Brain waves cease.
And in short, you are dead.
And then they operate and take out the embolism.
And Pam Reynolds was indeed dead.
While in that state, if dead is a state, she encountered one of the most remarkable near-death experiences ever documented.
Now, I think you don't call it near-death.
I don't see how you can call it near-death.
Not in this case.
And so that should be pretty interesting, I would say, coming up next hour.
Now, I'm going to go ahead and lead the news with this anyway.
Well, no, first I've got an affiliate.
I guess I better do things in some order, huh?
We've got a brand new affiliate again tonight.
It is WKCI in Waynesboro, Virginia.
970 on the dial.
It's a good spot on the dial.
970.
WKCI in Waynesboro, Virginia.
I bid you good day, folks.
The GM there is Chris Zimmerman.
Hi, Chris.
And the program director, Steve Kanup.
Kanup.
That's the way he said.
Actually pronounced the K, I guess.
Knap.
So glad to have you on board.
The ever-growing network just soaring in affiliates.
Now, I guess I better do this.
CNN is breaking news right now that Taliban soldiers are said to be giving up their weapons, giving it up.
Now, these are early reports, and I caution you that you should treat these reports as such.
It does look like Kandahar is about to fall.
Unfortunately, there will be Taliban fighters all over the country who will not get the word.
So just cross your fingers, everybody.
I guess we might as well go ahead with the rest of the news news, and then I'll drop the bomb on you.
Mail being processed.
It looks like they've got the Fed.
Mail being processed at a facility set up in a courtyard near the Federal Reserve's headquarters that was put there, you know, to test the mail, I'm afraid, has found one which has tested positive for anthrax.
Officials said the positive reading was obtained for a batch of mail containing between 100 and 150 letters, and it had not yet been determined if any of the letters actually contained anthrax spores or whether there was some sort of cross-contamination.
I wonder if the people who wrote these letters knew.
There are one of two things going on here.
Either the cross-contamination thing is something the authorities never figured on, or there's a lot more anthrax letters out there than one was originally led to believe.
I don't know which it might be.
Israeli warplanes bombed a police post in Gaza, keeping pressure on Yasser Arafat to arrest yet more.
So many of the arrests that Arafat makes, you hear, they say arrests, and what they do is they give them, well, they put them under house arrest.
You're going to have to stay in your house.
No phone calls.
And that's an Arafat arrest, by the way.
We'll see.
Arafat's going to have to really get going here.
U.S. Marines went on alert late Thursday and fired mortars around their base in southern Afghanistan to repel what a spokesman said was nearly certainly an attempt by Taliban forces to probe their defenses.
Well, they probed, all right.
And now they're probably part of the sticks.
The U.S. is not going to tolerate any arrangement that allows a Taliban leader, Mahalla Mohammed Omar, to remain free and live in dignity in Afghanistan.
So we're going to just, we're saying it, we're going to do it.
We're going to chase them down, all of them that we want.
We're going to get them, and I'm not sure what we're going to do with them, but we're going to get them.
Don't you wonder what the orders are?
If they find Osama bin Laden, what are the real orders, do you think?
A man opened fire today at the simulated wood factory where he worked, killing a co-worker and wounding several others before committing suicide, another head shaker.
And now it only took them six months.
Six months it took the mainstream press to break this.
I've been keeping track of how long it would take for the mainstream press to finally break this story.
Tonight they're breaking it.
I sat straight up a little after 9 o'clock watching CNN headline news, and a headline came along that said something to the effect of incredible lost city found under the water, off Cuban waters, lost city found.
So there it was.
CNN is breaking the news.
MSNBC is breaking the news.
Reuters is, in fact, here's a Reuters story.
Long one, too.
Explorers using a miniature submarine to probe the seafloor off the coast of Cuba said on Thursday they had confirmed, underlined, confirmed the discovery of stone structures deep below the ocean surface that may have been built by an unknown human civilization thousands of years ago.
Researchers with a Canadian exploration company say they filmed over the summer ruins of a possible submerged lost city off the Caribbean islands western tip.
The researchers cautioned they did not fully understand the nature of their find and plan to return in January for more analysis.
The explorers said they believed the mysterious structures discovered at the astounding depth of around 2,100 feet are laid out like an urban area.
Could have been built at least 6,000 years ago.
That would be, of course, 1,500 years earlier than the Great Giza Pyramids of Egypt, but they don't really know how old it is.
Old, old.
And tonight, all of these networks are breaking this news.
And tomorrow, I imagine it will spread and the big networks will pick it up and NBC and CBS and ABC will all be running the news.
So count them, folks.
The mainstream press began the break on this news tonight, and that would be just about six months after we broke it here.
Now, speaking of possible hits, I'm sent the following hiart.
Didn't Ed Dames talk about a fungus?
Wasn't there something about a fungus spreading, killing lots of trees and other plants?
Well, if you read the whole article, probably the hair will stand up on the back of your neck as it did mine.
Note the following.
Unknown origin.
The oak disease is caused by a recently named fungal organism called, and I'll spell it for you, P-H-Y-T-O-P-H-T-H-O-R-A.
R-A-M-O-R-U-M.
It also attacks a dozen other tree and plant species, including rhododendron, huckleberry, honeysuckle, coffeeberry, manzanita, buckeye, big-leaf maple, bay laurel, evergreen, and madrone.
Preliminary tests on the disease indicate that, get this folks, it enters through the bark of plants and trees rather than the roots, as many species do, and travels in, are you ready, travels in raindrops.
And my facts are continues, and besides other eastern species of oak, who knows what else it kills?
That's just, you know, people who are looking at the kinds of things we do here are coming to the same conclusions because the same evidence trail is being followed.
Might I suggest to you, get a hold of the Secretary Company and get one of the Wilson antennas.
The Wilson cell antennas.
I'm telling you, man, it's unbelievable.
You know, you'll have like no lights at all, and you plug in this cell antenna to the bottom of your cell phone, you know, an external one, and it goes right up to four lights.
It's unbelievable.
unidentified
Yeah, I've been meaning to do that, and I guess I'm shopping around.
Sounds like it would be myth because I don't know how you would have such a different climate in just one little spot at the pole, near the pole.
unidentified
Well, a long time ago with the I'm trying to think what they call it, the North Wind, the South Wind, something like that.
Well, I'm telling you, when the North Wind, or when one of those winds hit down in the middle of the earth, one of the stars from outer space fell down in the middle of the Earth.
That I suppose there could be, you know, as we have underground hot springs, right?
And we have a volcanic activity that occurs under the ground, maybe even there at the pole.
And I suppose that one time long ago, somebody might have found a small subtropical or almost tropical area within the area of the pole that was receiving its virtual immediate climate from some sort of ground heat.
That's interesting.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Hi, this is Etson, E-D-S-O-N, Etson.
And I'm in a place called Southern California, which is just outside of Los Angeles.
Well, I guess in a way there could have been unidentified objects as you described, but they did sound like fairly conventional aircraft just with strange markings.
But definitely clouds turning black and then falling down.
That's definitely a new one.
unidentified
Let me ask something else.
I haven't heard about this, and I know he wasn't very popular with him, but what do you think about the death of William Cooper, Bill Cooper?
I think that what's to think, you know, as you know, I was never a big fan of Bill Cooper, so I would not want to speak ill of the dead, and I shall not.
I think he shot at, what, a deputy sheriff or something?
And I hit him in the head, and they shot back and killed Bill Cooper, and that's the way I heard the story.
It is, and I am so pleased to see the Cuban story after about half a year finally breaking in the mainstream press.
Check it out yourself.
I think Keith is beginning to get a lot of the links up from the various news services that I told you about.
And, you know, I wonder, I really wonder how this is going to, I mean, I know all of you are listeners here, so you've known about this for a long time, but how do you think this is going to settle in this news on the general public?
That's a really important question.
How do you think the rest of the world is going to handle this news?
That what we thought we knew about how it all began, well, that might just not be the way it all began.
It's going to be fascinating, fascinating to follow.
Now, tomorrow night is Friday night, Saturday.
That's Open Lines.
Now, I am interested always in special lines.
You know, I have a propensity for opening a special line every now and then for this or that.
And tomorrow night, I might be inclined to do that if one of you makes a really good suggestion about the kind of line to open.
Not sure what kind of mood I'm in.
But there ought to be an interesting line to open, I would think, tomorrow night, a special line.
So if you have a suggestion about a special line you would particularly enjoy.
I can think of so many.
Make it to me in email at artbell.com, or artbell, at mindspring.com.
Artbell at mindspring.com.
Maybe I will select one of the entries and we will have some sort of special line or just open line smart night.
I don't know.
Anyway, I do enjoy the open line segments as we have right now.
And he used his knowledge and maps and everything to kind of correlate what would fit with the description of Atlantis, you know, and he decided on he went with the plane, the rectangular plane that is referred to, the big rectangular plane, but it's higher than the sea level, and then there's mountains on the other end of that.
And he's putting that in Bolivia.
And this was what really got me was the name Atlantis, he's broken it down into two Native American words.
One is Mayan, and I didn't catch the other one.
But one is atoll, which is water, and antis, which is copper.
And another thing that really led him over to South America was the reference to or-calcum, which is a particular alloy, a natural alloy of gold, tin, and copper, I think.
And the only place where that is is in South America.
And he went through all this stuff, and they have...
Right, right.
But there's a city called Tiwanako that looks just amazing, and they've only excavated like 3.5% of it.
And they found in it things that to fasten blocks of stone together made of copper and nickel alloy, to make that you have to have temperatures of 3,500 degrees.
It was not a, this could be called a near-death experience.
A friend of mine was thrown from a car with head injuries, etc.
And we took her to the hospital.
They had said she was stable, and they checked her out and everything, and they had her in just a room, like a, they'd already checked her into a room.
There are thousands, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of stories like that.
The only, you know who I've got coming on, right, at the top of the ark.
Right.
I've had a lot of NDEs, like the one you're describing, you know, where you stop breathing or even the heart stops, but where you are really dead, dead, dead, brain waves cease.
Now, most neurologists, I think, use brain waves as a measure of, you know, the final wisps of life, right?
It's really nice that it comes, but I'd never organized it.
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Organizing it, running it through your head.
You know, do we have this, that?
What it is, is they're just organized people as far as not that they give a damn about it, like having lots of it, but I'm talking about just, you know, keeping it straight and everything.
I think that the whole thing at Princeton proves it.
There's some sort of mass understanding.
Yeah, for two weeks before it, I kept saying every night, I'm telling you, man, something big is coming.
I can feel it.
I just feel this pending doom.
And I kept saying it, and boom, there it was.
That's not to say I predicted it.
I just felt a mass, whatever it was we all felt.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
And I felt the same thing.
And here's why I'm calling.
I'm starting to freak out again, and I'm starting to feel this again.
And I'm, you know, here's the thing.
What I've noticed lately is, you know, for the last month or since September 11th, we've had this great upspring of instant patriotism and people flying flags and being nice to each other on the surface.
But underneath, I think people, you know, out on the street, people are really on edge, really cranky.
I hear horns honking a whole lot more than I used to.
And, you know, the flags are starting to go away, and I think we're starting to return to normal.
And about Osama bin Laden, I think I don't want to see him executed because he gets off too easy that way.
I would like to see, and I know, you know, we obviously don't want to make him into a martyr.
We don't want to, certainly don't want to turn him into a political prisoner where people can take hostages and do things like that and demand his release.
And I don't think we want to go for the pig juice or the turning him into a woman thing.
There's a lot going around right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
But I just think if he gets, it's like, you know, a lot of these people on death row, you know, if they deserve to be there, once they're gone, their suffering is over.
I had a guest on last night who, and no, the night before, who was saying that basically, if you're a bad person in life, and this really got to me, you continue to be a bad person in death.
In other words, you are a ghost with criminal attitude, and you attack people and do that kind of thing in the afterlife.
No, Stephen Greer has been on tour, and I will surely have him on again soon.
I'm sure.
Generally, when Stephen has something he wants to say, he contacts me.
That's the way it works.
I don't have him on just to have him on.
When Stephen Greer comes on, sir, he's usually got big-time breaking news, and so that's what generally causes me to say, let's do a show with Stephen Greer.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Here's that evil eye look.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 6th, 2001.
So I came into you, sweet lady.
And this is in your mystic cocoa.
Crystal ball on the table.
Show them up into the past.
Same cat with them.
Thank you.
And in the brink time of heat, when the tree ground beneath, and the ash and look at the bird.
You're listening to Art Bells somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 6th, 2001.
There are some rides you might not wish to take, like the one Pam Reynolds took.
Pam Reynolds is coming up in a moment.
She's a practicing musician, wife, and mother of three, and a member of a very prominent music publishing family.
In 1991, she underwent one of the most fantastic surgical procedures ever performed.
Dr. Robert F. Spetzler, director of the Barrow Institute for Neurology in Phoenix, Arizona, and his team of daring surgeons, clipped an aneurysm in her brain by a process known as, in quotes, stand still.
Her body was cooled to 58 degrees Fahrenheit, her heart stopped, most of her blood drained from her body.
In short, Pam Reynolds was dead.
While in this state, she encountered one of the most remarkable near-death experiences ever documented.
Or was it a death experience, actually?
Ten years later, hers remains the most scientifically documented case on record.
48 Hours did a story on her.
You may have seen that.
48 Hours, though, an in-depth magazine show would never in the world have the sort of time that we have to cover a story of this magnitude.
I got in the car, I left the last specialist, and my husband and I got in the car and went immediately to our attorney's office for the filing of my last will and testament.
and the dispensation of our three children who were of course my eldest was twelve and my baby was seven not quite eight how did you face uh...
I think I was in a state of shock, and thank God for shock, because in my case, it allowed me to very easily go through the motions of getting things taken care of.
And being a mother, I wasn't so concerned with myself as I was for my children.
The way my wife and I are, as close as we are, it's unimaginable to lose her.
So to have sort of notification that you're about to, that's just too much.
So did your personal doctor give you any, well, listen, you've got, we're going to estimate you've got weeks or months or a year to live, or what did he tell you?
My mother was a physician's assistant for many years until she retired, and many of my dearest friends are physicians and have been all of my life.
And I heard this incredible story about a doctor who was performing this daring surgery whereby they literally put the body in a state of stasis, draining all the blood, taking the temperature down to 58 degrees Fahrenheit, stopping the heart, no brain waves.
Yes, we immediately contacted Barrow Institute and sent our records out, and I was found to be an extremely good candidate for the surgery because in every other way I was perfectly healthy and very strong.
Well, on a personal level, he promised he'd get me back.
He did.
And I believed him wholeheartedly.
This man has a very, very strong ability to win confidence.
He himself is a very confident person.
you know as a as a present with as we consider our heads and our brains you know where in your brain was this it was in the circle of willis a place where my physician tells me that a very few short years ago no one dared to go because Is that toward the central part of your brain?
Well, there was the other option, but that's no option, really.
Exactly.
And nevertheless, though, I mean, you're balancing the possibility of another month of life against the possibility of death on the operating table, and I'm sure you and your husband talked that one over.
You know, really, we didn't spend a lot of time with that because with the surgical procedure, we felt like we had an opportunity to live out the entire lifetime.
So we didn't really look at it as another month of life or death on the table.
Now, when you went down there to talk to him, was your expectation that you were going to have this operation right away, or did you just think you were going to go see him and maybe have some tests and that sort of thing, and then come home and then maybe come back and have the operation?
Well, they came into the hall to visit with me for a moment before they wheeled me into the OR, and it was just hugs and kisses and see you on the other side.
Listen, I'm going to ask a lot of questions through this, and if at any time you don't want to, if it's too personal, you can tell me to go climb a tree, okay?
Good, because I just, you know, what you went through is so incredible that I really want to fully understand it.
And I can only do that by, I guess, understanding the mood.
So you went, I understand it's really important that somebody go into an operation like this with a lot of confidence, a lot of hope, a lot of, you know, good feelings and not negativity.
They rolled you in, and even though you didn't completely understand what they were going to do, you did at least understand your heart was going to come to a stop.
All right, again, you know, we're on this risk thing, and even though he gave you great amounts of confidence, and I understand why he would want to do that and why it would be good for you, nevertheless, at some point he had a responsibility, I think, to, you know, to explain to you that there was a pretty serious risk.
So in you go, and it looks pretty good, and I guess they're saying we're about to give you a little bit of this or that and count backwards for us or the trees.
I heard a pitch, and I pitched it at natural D. As a musician with perfect pitch, it was natural D. And the sound of it sort of reminded me of being in a dentist's office, of a drill.
No, not necessarily because I think, you know, in mortuaries, I don't want to get too morbid, but they drain the blood there without the heart pumping.
So obviously there must be a way to do it.
I'm not a medical expert.
So there must be a way to do it.
So they cool you off, and then they drain all your blood, and this is stored in a blood vap.
But the feeling of coming out of it, especially having endured so much pain for so long, the feeling was total freedom, total peace, just complete serenity.
But it's almost like I could smell fresh, new, just the feeling of being a garden.
But now, remember, I was not permitted to go all the way through.
I was stopped and detained at one point and told or communicated to that if I were allowed to go any further, something, a physical change would occur and they would be unable to reconnect the spiritual me to the physical me.
So I was held there and not permitted to go all the way in.
Oh, that's a fabulous question, because when I first got there, my first thought was, I hope I'm in the right place because I have not lived a perfect life.
I've always been a loving person, but, you know, I was taught in a very stringent Christian environment that if you screw up, guess where you go?
So after the relatives or with them, after chatting with them, some voice or something imparted to you in what way that, listen, you can't really go any further.
However, in terms of linear time, the physicians who investigated the case tell me that my recount of the experience matched perfectly with the timing of the surgery.
Yeah, but as you began to give him details of what you could not possibly, not possibly have known, this must have been a little difficult for him to handle.
He's certainly, although it doesn't correspond with what he knows about the brain, I believe he said on one of the Discovery Channel programs, he certainly is not all knowing enough to say it didn't happen.
And it is quite unusual that those kinds of details in that great of number would be so forthcoming so quickly after the process.
Not only that, but when I came back into the body, and it still to this day astounds me, Art, that I'm able to recall this, that it registered and downloaded, and it's such a vivid memory.
It's as if it's still happening.
And how does that happen?
See, that, to me, is one of those physical answers that I believe is knowable.
Pam, I want to tell you about a quick experience I had, because it seems to parallel something that happened to you.
This is the only time it ever happened in my life.
You know, for years, I've interviewed people about out-of-body experiences and all the rest of it, and it was all very interesting, but nothing had ever happened to me.
My wife and I had the opportunity, it was really cool, to go to Paris on the Concorde.
You know, it was one of those deals where we got to ride along as part of a sort of a radio station thing.
Belief system being belief systems, and faith being a thing that's unprovable.
Physical law has no basis in belief system.
You don't have to believe the sun will come up.
up in the morning for the sun to come up because it's physical law well you mentioned you were raised as a Christian a very strict Christian household pretty much yes so did any part of your experience validate your religion or was religion sort of not exactly part of it well Yes, it validated everything that I believe, but it did a little more than that for me.
I learned while I was there that each and every one of us has a different tone, a different spirit.
We're not cookie-cutter people.
And I firmly believe, as per my experience, that we all find our path on our own, in our own individual ways.
Do you think that it, of course, there's not going to be a way for you to answer this unless you had a conversation, but do you think it's going to be the same for everybody or an individual experience for everybody?
And it was also communicated to me that even though I didn't see them and talk with them on a daily basis, that they were able to come here and be with us.
So, I mean, for a while, I was a little nervous about getting the shower.
Well, you know, I really didn't contemplate it until I found out it was going to happen to me.
I don't think I had a fear of death per se.
I had a fear of leaving my children without their mother.
Of course.
But in terms of fearing death, absolutely not.
In fact, I've got another funny story for you.
The way that I was introduced to Dr. Michael Sabaum, who did the initial research on this case, was I went in for an appointment with a neurologist, and I had had a concussion to the back of the head and a severe brain injury after the surgery.
And she told me, in a very solemn way, that I was left with a condition that could easily take my life.
That's another thing that's happened to a lot of people who have done nearly what you have done, and that is that they have a heightened sense of psychic ability.
In the beginning, Danion told me he couldn't, and that bothered him intensely.
I mean, he would get to the point where he would tell everybody, get out of the room.
I'm sorry.
I want to be alone.
I want to meditate.
I want to be alone.
I have to be alone.
Right.
Remarkable.
All right.
We're at the bottom of an hour.
Pam, hold on.
Pam Reynolds is my guest.
She went to the other side and back.
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I'm just beginning to see now I'm on my way.
It doesn't matter to me, chasing the clouds away.
Some day holds to me.
The trees are joined.
What a wonderful world.
I see skies so blue and clouds of white.
The bright blessed day stalks say goodnight.
And I think to myself, What a wonderful world The colors of the rainbow so pretty in the sky are also on the faces of people going by I see friends shaking hands saying how
I'll be there.
They're really saying I love you.
I have made this cry.
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And I had, since then, I came back with a sure and certain knowledge of the way we were going and how we were getting there and how we could avoid getting there.
Well, I don't see the end of the world, but I do see a breakthrough in physics that will make it, cause us to understand, the space-time continuum and how terribly wrong we are to look at time as a linear thing.
We don't understand that everything that has ever happened and will ever happen is actually happening right now.
That linear time is a man-made device in order for us to control our environment, to be able to label it and move within the physical structure that we're in.
And it has really no relativity whatsoever outside of the human condition.
And there's also, Pam, you know, there's mounting evidence now that what we had previously thought about what happened here on earth and man's history is all wrong.
About six months ago, Pam, I began breaking a story about this remarkable find 2,200 feet, almost a half a mile below the water in Cuba, of this what appears to be an urban area city.
And just tonight on CNN, MSNBC, Reuters, they're breaking the story themselves that there's been this urban city found way below the water in Cuba.
It's breaking the mainstream press.
So, you know, it would tend to underscore what you're saying right now.
The thing is, you know, I really believe that with all of our technology, we are so vulnerable to destruction because we all use computers, but can we build one?
And can we network all of these wonderful things that we have?
I think not.
We're too specialized for that.
And if we have a shutdown or a meltdown, we're right back to planting the seed and harvesting just to stay alive.
So it's very easy for me to see how advanced civilizations could go from that kind of advancement right back to agriculture.
I don't see that happening, but I don't see it happening globally.
I think that we've come to a point, humanity has come to a point, that our technology is merging with our spirituality.
Mm-hmm.
And as this begins to happen, our memories become more complex, acute and i believe that we are able to store and pass on to future generations more of that than we were ever before in In this great download of information that occurred to you, was there anything with regard to what's happening in the world, the environment of the world itself?
Yes, in terms of, like, for instance, the war in the Middle East?
Yes.
That was something that I shared, as a matter of fact, with a very dear friend of mine shortly after the process.
And it's not, but again, I can't say that that's purely psychic phenomenon because there was so much information available that I obviously with an IQ of 160, I'm going to pay attention to that.
But the big barrier, Pam, the big barrier, and what I cannot understand, rationalize in any scientific way known to mankind or in my own mind, is that, look, once, I mean, your heart can stop, a little oxygen still to the brain, fine.
But when they take out all your blood, your heart stops, and then your brain wave totally goes flat line.
And the time that you spent gone seemed to, though there was no real relationship, what you were able to tell them later seemed to coincide with the hour?
Do you remember whether the movement you saw in the operating room and around you was whether people were moving at normal speed, speaking in normal speech?
You know, In an attempt to explain what you're talking about right now, a lot of neurosurgeons have said, oh, well, you know, the brain dies from the outside moving inward.
So this pinpoint of light is the very center of the brain or the last place where the neurons are firing.
And so they explain that as the tunnel and the light at the end of the tunnel.
Now, the very last bastion for the brainwave theory is that they don't believe that the equipment, the technology we have is sensitive enough to pick up the minute brain activity that may have been occurring, but I am told...
I don't think so either, and neither do my doctors.
They feel like if that kind of hallucination would definitely have recorded, we would have seen something.
And the whole theory behind I heard what was going on in the operating room and built a picture, they put speakers in my ears that made such a loud clicking noise that I'm told if I were fully conscious, I couldn't have heard a thing.
Were you a spiritual person before this, in the sense of even considering things like our environment, earth changes, what's happening in the Middle East, all of this information that was downloaded to you?
I wonder if that would be, and I've wondered about this in recent days, whether that would be a good thing if we conclusively, scientifically prove that consciousness not only continues, but is enhanced following physical death, what kind of effect that's going to have on the world and all the people in it?
I didn't see any hell, but I can't tell you it doesn't exist just because I didn't see it.
I didn't have any sense of it.
It wasn't discussed.
but I do have a profound sense that if I don't do what's expected of me, then I will bear the consequences for that in much the same way as I would bear those consequences here on the earth.
I am a doctor of chiropractic, and I've been doing a little research on the body-mind stress relationship to health and the manifestation of illnesses in the body, and finding that virtually every one of them has some kind of negative thoughts or negative emotions behind them.
So my question to you is, do you remember when you were a child ever having had the wind knocked out of you to where you were not sure you would ever get it back?
And I have found three people, so that's why I ask, and I don't know if you have anyone who is alive that you could ask that question of if when you were a child, perhaps that might have happened to you.
But I know three people who have had either aneurysms or one was cancer in which they did live through it, but they had all the thing in common that they had had the wind knocked out of them, which means they set a negative thought up in their mind which said, I'm going to die if I do not get my breath back.
And those literal words were like an energy that was set up there.
That's what I'm postulating.
I'm going to die if I don't get my breath back.
And then it takes many years before it manifests.
With these people, it took around 20 some odd years before it manifested.
And so anyway, that was the question.
And then I had a, so, you know, it'd be really interesting if you could find from a sister or brother or anyone else that was living if they know if that ever happened to you.
No, no, it's a listen, we'll cut it off there, but it's a very good point.
In other words, we tromping around Earth doing whatever we do every day, we think of this as reality.
But the sense that I got from listening to you, Pam, was that there was a much greater reality, a much heightened sense of consciousness and reality where you were than here.
I got the feeling coming back into the body and being there a day or two that 99% of the people around me were asleep and the rest of us were in a profound state of shock from what we were seeing.
With me, when I had my little blast in Paris, I just, it was so overwhelming and so shocking that I blasted myself back into my body very, very quickly.
But boy, talk about an overwhelming, indescribable.
I tried to find words for it and tell my audience, and I really couldn't.
And I kind of got the impression that the reason we're in school in these dense bodies is because you don't give Porsches to three-year-olds because they can't ride.
And how, I mean, I've been listening to your show now a couple weeks, so I'm brand new, but I heard the Sean David Morton show on the remote viewing, and a lot of what she said ties into that.
My question was, this downloading, this open-mindedness, Pam, is this something that's continual now?
It's like when you have a dream, when you awake immediately, you have this very vivid image of what the dream was, and then as it goes, you sort of lose it.
I guess this is the opposite.
Exactly.
It's sort of like you took a picture, and now you're able to examine the details of the picture.
Yeah, I was just completely floored by the similarities in what she said about her, I don't want to call them predictions so much as what she saw in her downloading and the similarities in the remote viewing that Sean was talking about.
I saw a program on television, Discovery, for 48 Hours, where at the very end, you were telling your story, and you said when you met up with your relative, you felt as though you were standing in the breath of God.
And it caused me to basically jump up and go, she's right, she's right.
It was just something that I knew instinctively was correct.
As I told Art just a little while ago, when I asked the nature of the light, it was explained to me that the light was not in and of itself God, but it was what happened when he respirated.
Right.
And at that time, at that exact moment, I thought, wow, I'm standing in the breath of God.
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Okay, so someone told you before you said that then?
Well, it was communicated to me when I was on the other side.
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Wow.
Right, and I feel that that is very correct.
I don't know why, just instinctively.
My second question is, with everything that you've been through in your life, the way you were raised and now what you've gone through, do you feel or do you know whether or not the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is relevant or important, should be paid attention to?
No, no, I never saw Jesus or God, but I can tell you, it's my personal belief that God is a whole lot more forgiving than we are and that we have to come to grips with ourselves and be the kind of people that we have to become what is good in our eyes.
At the time, I'll give you a thumbnail background here to my question.
At the time, I worked right next to the research lab.
And someone somewhere offered a huge reward for anyone who could prove the existence of a soul.
And there was much research done around the world.
And there was finally a book published.
And of course, no one proved anything.
But it was very interesting.
It was something that I would like to have heard more about, but never did.
But my question in that respect is, I didn't understand you to say that when you were out of your body, that you were actually a soul or that you were just a conscious entity of some sort.
I got the sense that he believed me totally and completely immediately.
And I have no way of knowing why he believed me.
Other than, like I said, I assumed that his being in touch with life and death every day, I assumed that this was a common occurrence and would later find out on no contraire.
You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 6th, 2001.
You know, we could, you know, we could, we could insist on the star.
It's so easy All we gotta do Every little thing I need Oh, I've been so many places I've seen someplace.
Yes, I have.
I know that love is here.
Yes, it is.
He's open this world to get me.
Ain't nothing better, ain't nothing better.
And all the answers are rocking.
Love is the same everywhere.
Just the same now.
Thank you.
Knights in white Saturn, never reaching the end.
Letters I've written, never meaning to send beauty at others with these eyes before just what the truth is.
I can't say anymore because I love you gazing at people,
some hand in hand just what I'm doing they can understand some tried to tell you listen to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 6th, 2001.
Or for those who want to contribute online, they can go to my website at pamreynolds.com, click on a message from Pam, and that will give you a link that will take you directly to the contribution page.
Folks, if you want to see this, this is astounding to see.
Go to my website, artl.com.
Under program, click on tonight's guest info, and then click on angiogram image.
And first of all, Pam, the first comment I would have is, how could a blood vessel that relatively thin produce something that big without killing you first?
Well, if I managed to get your doctor on the air, and I asked him, what can you tell me about her ability to describe what went on during the operation in a period of time when she had absolutely no brain waves whatsoever?
How can you rationalize, how have you rationalized that?
Well, if I know Dr. Spetzler, he would say there are so many things about the brain that we do not understand, but a lot of these things are knowable, and we're right in the middle of doing an awful lot of relevant research to find out about the brain and how it functions.
And hopefully we'll be able to unlock the door to some of these answers.
I mean, the brain is one thing, and many people feel the soul or the spirit, they may be separate or the same, are altogether something else, and maybe they cannot know about that or will not know about that.
Who knows?
But I know they are making progress, so maybe they can be answered.
I'm impressed by the fact you mentioned the year 2012.
And as Art knows, the late great Terrence McKenna thought there would be a change of consciousness.
I'm wondering what else you could tell us about how you arrived at that date, what else you think mankind should do to prepare for what's coming and how we might survive it and what this consciousness change might mean for us.
I've got a couple questions here for you, Pam, and they're real quick.
I'll go ahead and ask them and then hang up and listen.
That's okay.
You said that you weren't afraid before you went into the operation.
You weren't afraid to die, but what you were afraid of was leaving your children behind.
Yes.
When you were on the other side, did you have any feelings of remorse or sadness or anything like that that you were leaving your children behind at that time?
You've filled many nights with great entertainment.
And I just want to say I've had a lot of strange experiences in my life.
And I've been diagnosed as schizophrenic.
But right now I'm on antidepressants.
And I've kind of experienced everything you've talked about, Pam.
In a couple months' time, I had a lot of sleep deprivation, and I felt like remote viewers were communicating with me and following me around.
And I about lost my mind, but I didn't.
And I'm pretty much normal now.
I'm on antidepressants.
And I feel the next level that you were going to go to after, you know, you were saying there was more to be seen is that you kind of said it yourself when you said yourselves sensed everything.
You sensed everything.
Remember that?
I feel like pretty much that we will find ourselves alone in the darkness and we will be God and then create our own universe.
This whole thing, this entire program has been really comforting to do it with you.
Pam, and I have a feeling a lot of other people will feel the same way.
When your book comes out, you know, most people won't come on the air with this sort of thing until they actually are in the business of promoting their book.
So when your book does come out, you be really sure and call me, get a hold of me, and I will have you back on the air.