Art Bell welcomes Dan Aykroyd and David Sereda to explore NASA’s alleged UFO cover-ups, including 40-ton water balls entering Earth’s atmosphere at 35,000 mph—visible only in ultraviolet light—suggesting Sirius-linked technology. Sereda claims five NASA scientists vanished after questioning disclosures, while Aykroyd cites suppressed research like John Hutchinson’s zero-point energy experiments and the 1958 Space Act’s legal barriers. They debate benevolent vs. non-benevolent extraterrestrials, referencing Dr. David Jacobs’ abduction theories and the Brookings Institution’s 1950s warning of societal collapse if UFO truths emerged. Bell highlights astronauts’ post-mission struggles and Masonic ties in NASA’s footage, while Aykroyd contrasts U.S. secrecy with Europe’s openness, like Belgium’s military encounters. Ultimately, they argue humanity may be ready for disclosure, but governments prioritize control over truth. [Automatically generated summary]
Hi Desert Great American Southwest you all good evening, good afternoon, good morning, whatever time of the day it might be at all 24 time zones covered by this video program ever growing tonight, including a new affiliate K-T-Y-X-F-M in Atchis, Mississippi.
Three American soldiers were killed, and 19 were wounded in Afghanistan today when a U.S. bomb missed its Taliban target.
The bomb carrying 2,000 pounds of explosives landed about 100 yards from the soldiers' position north of Kandahar, where the Taliban are making their last stand.
Now, officials are saying it's a mystery and they don't know how it happened or what happened.
Well, I do.
There's no mystery to it.
When you call in an airstrike virtually on your own position or so close, it happens.
It's happened in every single war.
Anti-Taliban forces battled guerrillas loyal to bin Laden with tanks, mortars, and whatever else they had today, fighting their way through remote mountains toward a cave complex where they believe the terrorist suspect is holed up.
Now, so in other words, they're getting close, perhaps, to Osama bin Laden in the White Mountain area.
B-52's laid down some carpet stuff with 250 and 500-pound bombs.
Now, I keep asking the question, and people don't know what to say.
And the question is simple, what do we do if we catch bin Laden?
What do we do with him?
Does he die on the spot?
I mean, certainly that can be arranged, and you can imagine there could be orders that, you know, would include that phrase, terminate immediately with prejudice or whatever.
Do we bring him back, put him on trial?
What war crimes?
I mean, what do we do with bin Laden?
Nobody really knows what's right because of the apparent or possible repercussions.
No, apparent is more like it repercussions if we put him in jail.
Security and public health demands could cost states up to about $4 billion.
That's serious money this year.
In protection against bioterrorism of one sort or another.
The Dow has finally made its way to the 10,000 mark.
We'll see if it stays tomorrow, but another very good day for the markets, both the Dow and the NASDAQ.
An escaped convict suspected of mailing hundreds of anthrax hoax letters to abortion clinics was caught at a copy shop in a Cincinnati suburb.
Clayton Lee Wagner, one of the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives, was arrested after employees at Kinko's, All Right Kinko's, recognized him and called police.
So apparently he would go to Kinko's to do his dirty work, send threats and messages and what have you, and somebody at Kinko's nailed him.
Called the police and they got him.
Way to go, Kinko's.
Well, this is interesting.
You may remember my visit to the Today Show on NBC about the coming global superstorm and then the follow-up interview that occurred about a year ago now.
The Today Show this morning spent a couple of segments just on the weather alone.
They showed scenes from one state in the Mid US, can't remember which one, with snow like you wouldn't believe, not typical for snow for this time of year, not even close.
Then they showed lovely Buffalo, New York, where, of course, they get more snow than anywhere else in the world, except now they're expecting a high or were of 67 degrees, which is clearly a record breaker.
And they haven't had any white stuff fall at all.
No snow.
No snow in Buffalo, but 67 degrees.
It's a virtually unthinkable concept if you've lived in Buffalo or live in Buffalo now.
The residents there seemed rather thrilled about it.
Well, why not?
Sure.
We saw scenes of folks hanging up their outside Christmas decorations, wearing shorts.
Scenes of other lightly dressed folks casually strolling down sidewalks.
The reporter did the segment on downtown Buffalo did have a sweater on, but the sleeves were rolled up, and this was at 7 in the morning.
The same reporter showed news footage of a report he did this month last year from Buffalo.
At that time, Buffalo had blizzard conditions.
Anyway, says my faxer, Brian in Kennewick, Washington, Matt, Katie, and Al will come around eventually.
So, yeah, I agree.
I think they're beginning to get with a curve a little bit and recognize what's going on.
If and when the coming global superstorm gets to be a miniseries, I think you should go on the Dead Day Show just again to say, hey, I'm not going away and either is the weather.
Well, clearly, the weather is in the middle of a very, you know, a very, Very serious change.
And probably, as far as mortal man is concerned, the ones that are alive now, permanent.
And then I keep getting, I'm getting a million of these.
Listen, Hiart was listening in on Monday night, heard one caller mention the problem he had with hearing voices prior to who, or when falling asleep, the caller mentioned that he could hear several hundred voices, and then, or just one voice calling his name, which would cause him to wake up.
Since I have had the same experiences, I thought I should look it up on the World Wide Web.
And it seems there are many, many others afflicted with this in quotes, problem, and most of the psychological reference guides call it hypnagogic hallucination.
Other sites associate these types of hallucinations with narcolepsy.
However, I've only had one or two and sleep just fine the rest of the time.
I can only think that it's an event triggered by stress or some other life issue, or it may well be the other side trying to connect with us through this drowsy dimension.
This drowsy, this interesting, and it is a really we should have some sort of sleep expert on the program to talk about this magical period of time between, you know, when you're awake and thinking whatever thoughts you are and that instant when you pass into sleep and, you know, lapse out of a conscious state.
But in that little twilight zone, good name, twilight zone of a time, oh my my, all sorts of magical, interesting things occur.
We can move out of our bodies.
We can see things we would not normally see.
We can hear things we would not normally hear.
And of course, the psychologists have explanation A for that.
You know, nice and neat.
They've got a name for it.
But I'm not so sure at all.
And I'm not so sure that they're sure either.
They just write papers and have to publish or perish, and so they say what they say about it.
But, you know, to me, it does seem possible that this little magical period of time is a time when communication with the other side or another side, we don't really know what we're talking about here, right?
Is possible, even probable.
And so since Monday's program, when we got that call, we've had, I don't know, I've just been flooded with these.
In other words, and so for that reason, because of the intelligence you could get about Al-Qaeda's plans around the world, yeah, sure, strap him down, inject him with some irresistible juice.
I work at night, and I had a Jeep Wrangler soft top, and I was listening, and I couldn't pull over and concentrate with everybody, but I was doing it as I was driving, and it was 3 o'clock in the morning.
Trying to imagine things that during the day you just can't spend time imagining and thinking about because there is so much more to this world than what we tromp around every day doing out of habit or even love or for whatever reason you do what you do at night.
Things are calmer.
People are more reflective about their lives in these dark hours.
And you can begin to think of a few of the things that are probably much more important in the long run than whatever occupies your mind during the day's busy work.
Well, I wish I could help you out, sir, but I've had many, many people who fit the description of Rocket Man, one way or the other.
And I've also talked to, collectively, quite a number of people who have been at Area 51, including one last night.
So I'm not exactly sure.
This was sent to me, written actually, by Bruce Cameron.
And it's called The Eight Simple Rules for Dating My Daughter.
Now, you think you've heard them, but these are new rules.
So thank you very much, Bruce Cameron.
When I was in high school, I used to be terrified of my girlfriend's father, who I believe suspected me of wanting to place my hands on his daughter's chest.
He'd open the door and immediately affect a good-naturedly murderous expression, holding out a handshake that, when gripped, felt like it could squeeze carbon into diamonds.
Now, years later, it's my turn to be the dad.
Remembering how unfairly persecuted I felt when I'd pick up my dates, I do my best to make my daughter's suitors feel even worse.
My motto?
Wilt them in the living room and they stay wilted all night.
So, I'll call out jovily, I see you have your nose pierced.
Is that because you're stupid?
Or did you merely want to appear stupid?
As a dad, I have some basic rules which I've carved into two stone tablets that I have actually displayed in my living room.
Rule one.
If you pull into my driveway and honk, you'd better be delivering a package because you're sure as heck not picking anything up.
Rule two.
You do not touch my daughter in front of me.
You may glance at her so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck.
If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off my daughter's body, I will remove them.
Rule three.
I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips.
Please don't take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots.
Still, I want to be fair and open-minded about the issue, so I propose this compromise.
You may come to the door with your underwear showing and your pants 10 sizes too big, and I will not object.
However, in order to assure that your clothes do not, in fact, come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my electric staple gun and fasten your trousers securely in place around your waist.
Rule 4.
I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, sex without utilizing a barrier method of some kind can kill you.
Let me elaborate.
When it comes to sex, I am the barrier and I will kill you.
In order for us to get to know each other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the day.
Please do not do this.
The only information I require from you is an indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my house.
And the only word I need from you on this subject is early.
Rule 6.
I have no doubt that you are a popular fellow with many opportunities to date other girls.
This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my daughter.
Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you.
Top of the hour coming of Dan Aykroyd and David Sarita.
Let's see, where was I?
Rule 7, right?
Those were the six rules, but there are actually eight Rule 7.
About dating my daughter.
As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear, and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget.
If you want to be on time for the movie, you shouldn't be dating.
My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process that can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge.
Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something useful like changing the oil in my car?
And then finally, Rule 8.
The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter.
Places where there are bed sofas or anything softer than a wooden stool.
Places lacking parents, policemen, or nuns.
Places where there is darkness.
Places where there is dancing, holding hands, or happiness.
Places where the ambient temperature is warm enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff t-shirts, or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a Gustav Parka zip to the chin.
Movies with a strong romantic or sexual theme are to be avoided.
Movies which feature chainsaws, however, are okay.
Hockey games are okay.
My daughter claims it embarrasses her to come downstairs and find me attempting to get her date to recite these eight simple rules from memory.
I'd be embarrassed, too.
There are only eight of them for crying out loud, and for the record, I did not suggest to even one of these cretons that I would have these rules tattooed on their arm if he couldn't remember them.
I checked into it, and the cost is prohibitive.
I merely told him that I thought that writing rules on his arm with a ballpoint pen might be ink washes off after all, and that my wood-burning set was probably a better alternative.
One time when my wife caught me having one of my daughter's would-be suitors practice pulling into the driveway, getting out of the car, going up to knock on the front door, he had violated rule number one, so I figured he needed to run through the drill a few dozen times.
She asked me why I was being so hard on the boy.
Don't you remember being that age?
She challenged.
Of course I remember.
Why do you think I came up with the eight simple rules?
By the way, we have got a really, really, really, really cool photo for you to see.
If you'll go to my website, we've got a link to it.
And it's called Why Did the Salmon Cross the Road?
And here is, here's this salmon, this monster of a salmon, crossing the road.
Now, there's been a little bit of flooding going on.
It says a male chum salmon tries to get across the Scomish Valley Road to re-enter the Scomish River and continue its journey to the salmon hatchery upstream.
The fish and the others along the side of the road seem to wait for the wake of a passing vehicle to make their dash across the road.
And this was a photograph taken by a Seattle photographer for the newspaper there.
And so we've got a link to the page, Seattle Times.
Harley Salt, S-O-L-T-E-S, took the photograph, and it's amazing.
And I've been involved in investigating people's sightings of ghosts for some time, about five years.
I've been involved with some organizations here on the East Coast.
And what I've come across is I wonder what you think about it, is that it seems that some of the top theories are revolving around what ghosts actually are are that they're actually imprints of energy on particular areas.
Oh, my God, that was exactly what we were talking about.
What a ghost, the definition of a ghost is, an imprint or an actual consciousness.
And the answer would appear to be both.
unidentified
Correct, that's right.
As far as I believe, I think there's two categories.
And I think the shadow people might be an extension of that first category of an energy imprint because, like a photograph, there can be that negative image and created something like, you know, there's a dark shade.
Yeah, that's they're certainly one of the most frightening people that I've heard.
I've collected many stories and spoken to many people, and these shadow people seem to scare people more so than any other specter or paranormal experience.
Okay, that does, you see, it does change everything.
It indicates there's some sort of consciousness, some sort of intelligence to be recognized and then to flee requires, well, you know what it requires.
Well, you know, if our weather really is profoundly changing, sir, people like yourself in normally cold places really are going to, for a little while, in the short term, they're going to love it.
Well, let me tell you a couple things that have happened recently.
Being on the East Coast and so close to D.C. and New York, I've had the opportunity to pass both sites.
And the first one was the Pentagon, and that was pretty amazing, just amazing.
And one of the things that happened, being kind of lost because of the way the traffic is rerouted, I happened to pull off into what I thought would be a service road, and it was blocked off by a guard shack.
And immediately, my wife and I were immediately, there was a big black sedan and a big black car immediately on our tails.
It was very frightening.
Now, the scary thing about the whole thing is, just before we left home in Wilmington, we got on 95, had a major gas leak.
Our fuel line had disconnected, and after we settled down, after our close encounter with our fearless government, we kind of thought how terrible it would have been if the gas line had come apart at that moment.
That's not something that I kind of want to have happen.
However, has it occurred to you that there could be any relationship at all between your encounter with the, we'll call them the men in black, and your broken gas line?
unidentified
Well, they would have had to know that we were on our way down there.
But yeah, anything's possible.
Anything is possible.
Now, in New York, that was, I just, you know, the smell, the sense of the spirit, the very spirit in the whole area is, it's just, you can't put it into words.
It is one of the saddest experiences I've ever had in my life.
And, you know, I took photographs.
You know the camera that I had.
It can really get in there.
And I took a couple hundred photographs.
And out of all those photographs with a 20-power lens, I saw one object that was recognizable.
If you would please thank you and send some of those photographs as well, as well as any of the earlier ones you have.
I would really appreciate that.
Oh, yes, I know.
We have a set of exclusive Ground Zero photographs up on the website that are astounding.
Simply astounding.
The whole thing is astounding.
And I suppose this event is going to be imprinted on the American psyche the way Pearl Harbor was.
It's certainly going to be in that category, and it's happened in your lifetime, and succeeding generations will speak of this as we now speak of Pearl Harbor.
And he said, do you have a piece of paper and a pen?
And I said, sure.
And I fished it out of my purse.
And he said, would you write your name on the paper, please?
So I did.
And he tells you not to let him see it.
And I wrote my name.
And he says, will you hand it to me?
And I did.
Now, he touched my hand and I touched his.
But I was no more than two feet away from him.
And he held it in his hand and he put his hand down.
And I was watching his hand the whole time to see how he was going to do this.
And he says, do you know where the paper is now?
And I said, no.
And he says, will you check your shoe?
Will you take off your shoe and look inside of it?
Yes.
I did not have my shoe off while he was standing there.
And I had loafers on, and I slipped my shoe off, and there was a piece of paper inside of it, and I picked it up, and it was my name in my handwriting.
And I don't know how he now has to do with the power of the paper.
Yeah, and I remember back quite a while ago, I guess, you talked about how some people were having memories that possibly Nelson Mandela had passed away when he was in prison.
If time travel is real, most of those who say it would be possible say that if an event were changed, the world would continue.
There'd be another little bubble created and everything would continue down a completely different road and that there would be as many of these alternate universes created as there had been tamperings with time.
It is indeed David Serrita and Dan Aykroyd are here, and they'll be here in a moment.
David Serrita, last time, he was on the show.
We had a magnetic anomaly occur that took out all land-based microwave and satellite signals, including my satellite signal, the one that goes to the network.
It is the second time in the history of this program that ever happened.
Something took us out, and I think intentionally.
David Serrita, born in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, was first introduced to meditation by his dad, Dr. Lynn Serrita, psychology UC Berkeley, when he was 13 years old, began a deep and lasting quest to find God and the answers to many of life's most perplexing questions.
He's met and studied with many Hindu, Buddhist, Native American, and Christian teachers while maintaining a daily meditation practice for 17 years.
David worked mainly as an environmentalist, has planted over 900,000 trees, wow, in British Columbia, Canada, helped to clean up oil spills, direct the LA-based Tesla Foundation, which prompted scientific discoveries for a better environment.
President of the Green and Blue Corporation, trying to bring eco-technology projects to private investors and corporations.
President of High Energy Micro Devices, a small company developing leading-edge technology for the detection of buried landmines.
You know who Dan Aykroyd is, right?
For over two decades, Dan has brought his brilliant comedic, dramatic style to films and TV, born on July 1st, 1952 in Ottawa, Canada.
Aykroyd had four years of undergraduate study at Carleton University in Ottawa in the fields of psychology, political science, and criminal sociology.
In addition to those pursuits, he was also active in the university's Sock and Buskin Drama Guild.
72, he went into show business.
You know what he's done.
75, Saturday Night Live, Dan helped to forever change the face of TV, forming the Blues Brothers band with John Belushi.
The two recorded their big hit Briefcase Full of Blues album in 79, starring in the hit comedy feature the Blues Brothers, and embarked on a live 10-day tour and the Made in America Live album.
Of course, Duo also appeared in Steven Spielberg's 1941 and Neighbors.
Remember the movie Neighbors?
Aykroyd's screen acting career has included starring roles in Trading Places, opposite Eddie Murphy, Ghostbusters 2, which he also originated, by the way, and co-wrote, Spies Like Us, again, an originator and co-writer, Dragnet, co-writer, and Coneheads.
Coneheads is one of my wife's favorite movies of all time.
She watches it over and over and over and over.
Other films credit, you know them, Dr. Detroit, The Couch Trip, The Great Outdoors, My Stepmother is an Alien, Loose Cannon's, My Girl 2, North Exit, Eden, Tommy, Row, and Rainbow, with guest star appearances in Into the Night, Twilight Zone, the movie at Catty Shack 2, of course.
Great movie.
In 1986, Aykroyd produced the feature film One More Saturday Night for Home Video and Cable Markets.
Well, you mentioned the following couple of nights that there could have been an NSA national security connection.
And in that letter that you read, it stated that these scientists that I had been speaking to at NASA that I personally know quite well would never be speaking to me so openly in the future.
So I decided to test that theory.
And I contacted Dr. Knuth at NASA and many of the other scientists at NASA and really asked them a very simple question.
Nothing really about UFOs, just a very simple question.
And they ignored me.
I didn't get one answer.
And normally my answers come within 24 hours.
And even a month later, none of five scientists that I wrote ever spoke to me again.
However, I am attempting to catalog on video on the sci-fi channel and treat with the proper degree of respect and humor and perhaps skepticism some of the theories that have been put forth and that will be put out there,
which is the name of the show, by the leading experts in the fields which I've been interested in, I guess, since being a teenager and being exposed to my father's and my family's interest in supernatural and paranormal occurrences.
Now, this ranges from healers to the apparition at Fatima to religious rapture to spontaneous combustion.
All of the things are basically that interest us as folkloric inquirers.
I'm not a scientist, and I'll never say I am, but I am an entertainer, and it is entertaining, and I am a folkloric researcher.
And so under that sort of umbrella, I think I'm going to be able to make some very interesting inquiries and have really fascinating guests on and hopefully open up to get some answers and maybe look where we're going in the future as a species, as a body of spirits, and point to maybe the fact that there will be some positive revelation that will affect mankind in a good sense, and God knows we need it today.
And we'll get them on camera there, and I will attempt to open up to the sci-fi audience, which I imagine, you know, it's about 700,000 people, we estimate, you know, given their current ratings, some of these ideas and hopefully expose some of these people, too, for commercial purposes so they can sell their tapes and books and get a living out of the way that they've devoted their lives.
Like Stephen Greer and Linda Moulton Howe, you know, they've devoted their lives to this.
And they should be compensated for their efforts and for their continuing research.
Before we dive into anything pretty, and we've got a lot of serious stuff to dive into, the one question I really do have for you is, when you made Ghostbusters 2, did you have a lot of fun?
I always have fun when I work with those guys and Murray and Ramos.
It was really great.
We took over New York, or a good part of it for that.
And then we built on the Columbia soundstage in the valley there for perhaps one of the biggest sets that have ever been constructed.
We had the whole, the full, full soundstage for the top of the building in the first movie.
And it was great to have their resources behind us and to just to come to work and see that anything you write can be created if you have enough labor, time, and money.
You know, see that the terror dogs there and the Slimer model and Mr. Staypuffed, they had a small person walking down Broadway.
He was about four foot tall and they had a scale model of Broadway there.
They can pretend and believe that there's some kind of an entrapment particle beam coming out of the instrument.
But for most of it, Ivan would just, if there was an apparition we were pointing at, he would be up on a stepladder way up high with a grip spotting him, and he'd be waving a pie plate at us.
Well, it's a miracle how movies get made in the movie.
You can have 150 people coming together for three months, all of different trades.
It's still a business that hasn't changed since 1928, since sound came in, because you have the picture recorded separately and then the sound recorded separately, and it's all married later.
That still hasn't changed.
The lighting essentially hasn't changed.
There's new types of lights and trucks and that.
But basically, it's the same technologically, really, except there's video assist now and editing is done on video.
But the way a movie's shot is essentially the same as it is in 1928.
You have this primitive system.
You have, you know, still, I believe, negatives sometimes are being cut by a negative cutter with white gloves.
You know, and, you know, you have all these different trades contributing.
It takes a long time.
You have a star actor working for a week or two, and then that actor might go away for a week and come back.
You hope nothing happens to them.
It's amazing how these films have come together.
I've just been gratified to have worked with the best people in my career.
I mean, my success is due to the people I've worked with.
And it's always great when you sit in that screening room or with an audience even better.
And all the jokes are working and all the moments are working.
It's the peak of creativity and, I guess, satisfaction as an artist.
Well, you hope you know when you're shooting it, and then depending upon how it's been executed, if everybody has the same vision, all those moments connect.
The personal experience of really feeling a performance click is when, like, doing music, you know, you come out there and you rip into a song, and then the audience is up on their feet, and they're there till the end of the concert.
And Jimmy Belushi and I have been doing that quite a bit across country for various corporate, private, charitable events.
We met through a mutual friend in L.A. who is doing a really interesting documentary cataloging all of the elders, spiritual tribal elders in North America, the native elders who are left, getting their wisdom, getting their images and visages on camera.
And she is a native Canadian, an Aboriginal Canadian, from one of the tribal bands up there.
Well, working with Ms. Sean Mussel on the Native Elders City Old Library Archives, which is how Dan and I met, basically the idea of the project is that native elders transmitted most of their spiritual knowledge in oral teachings.
They didn't really write things down.
And today, there are very few elders alive who really have kept an accurate record of ancient teachings.
And a lot of the very sacred elders are passing away.
And a lot of the younger generations are getting so distracted by the modern world and a lot of the difficulties of modern life, they're not spending the quality time they used to spend with their elders.
And the idea of her project is to video archive The elders' words and oral teachings at great length, not like a normal documentary film, but at great length, and preserve them in a video library so that future generations can learn from them of all nationalities.
Did they, in listening to all of that, though, did they have anything to say on a large worldwide scale that you found either interesting or worrisome?
Yeah, we're seeing evidence of what the Hopi elders were saying.
It's not just a myth anymore.
Also, in India, they have discovered a site, and I can't quote the exact location, but they found a city that is covered by two or three inches of radioactive ash that's over 12,000 years old.
And we wonder, how could an area that large be surrounded by a radioactive layer of ash 12,000 years old?
And we go into the Mahabharata and the Hindu Bhagavad Gita, we learn of a war that was very similar to Armageddon 5,000 B.C., 5,000 years ago or 5,000 B.C. Do both of you think that the human race could handle understanding that others have been here with almost virtually all of the evidence of their existence almost erased, almost not quite erased?
Do you think the human race could understand and grasp the fact that it's not as we have believed it to be all our lives?
But, you know, now we found evidence of the great flood, of the time of Noah, and we're now finding evidence of Atlantis.
So the story is starting to unfold as we get closer to yet that same turning point that the Hopi elders spoke of.
And I think that is why, at this time in history, there are so many sightings of UFOs and what may possibly be actually our ancient gods and goddesses from other stars.
Well, all right, Dan Aykroyd, David Serita, both back.
Dan, let me ask you a question.
You are going to do a new show called Out There, but you did do one called The Psi Factor, and a lot of people, I've got a little computer next to me, and they can send me messages during the show, and a lot of people are asking about Psy Factor.
No, but the other half has to be introduced to such stuff, and I guess that's why you're doing it.
We do this, you know.
And the size factor was the outgrowth of case files that my brother and I found, which was the was the property, which was the property of a technology company which was was formed to specifically develop, perhaps develop hardware and software out of the field of supernatural exploration.
And out of it came some incredible studies and some incredible cases that were, when I read them, they read so genuinely that I actually went and went to syndicated TV with them.
The first year of Sci Factor, we stayed right with the cases.
There was the case of this growing black void in the corner of a guy's house, and it just kept eating.
It was in Argentina.
It kept eating and eating and eating everything in sight.
And finally, they found a connection between that and a black void in a container ship in China.
From this place in Argentina, yes, through into this container.
That's the way the original case read.
Now, we had to change it in our story, you know, dramatization and all that.
The first year of Sci-Factor was really, really great.
The second year, we had to develop the characters.
The third year, people were falling in love with the characters.
Therefore, we had to make some of the cases more revolve around the characters at the risk and the peril of not being as accurate as we were in the first year.
And, you know, that's good because when people ask me about the paranormal and supernatural, I say, well, it's really wonderful and it's entertaining and it's great and it's where inquiry ought to be going.
But look at all the things that are happening in legitimate science in terms of genetics and electronics and healing and medicine and astrophysics, quantum physics, particle physics.
All of these are where the keys to the supernatural and paranormal are.
So if you want to be in that for life, go and study quantum foam, and that'll give you start to give you.
Well, it's just maybe there's a threat there in terms of some of the conventional views, and it makes us recognize that some of what we talk about is threatening.
But really, it keeps us in check a little bit because we can get out there when we start to talk about Jersey Devil and spontaneous combustion, which I'm still sitting on the fence over.
I had the honor of interviewing him three times, and his story was absolutely spectacular.
He did what you were talking about.
He had documents, and he had actual artifacts from Roswell, which he parceled out, apparently, he said, on direction to private industry to engineer some of this stuff.
You know, like some of the major inventions we've got now, he claims, came from what he parceled out to private industry.
You know, I read Corso, and I just don't know how we're benefiting from it today.
Certainly there's no propulsion system evident in conventional aircraft that even mimics some of these interdimensional machines that wink in and out of our world, just like they're, you know, at the corner of 7th and 42.
But conventional science and the scientific community was thinking along these terms.
The studies and research into photonics has been going on for a long time.
Certainly, he's got the credentials, military man and all that.
Again, it bears inquiry and investigation.
I guess some of the cloaking the stealth materials, maybe alloys, maybe graphite bonds, that type of thing.
Maybe there was some insight.
Look, hey, there's a theory that, as we all know, in the abduction world, about a hybrid program and about eggs and sperm being taken and about an intervention on a genetic level from afar that happened in history many times, many, many years ago, centuries ago, eons ago.
Well, you know, they're finding out that a lot of these cloned animals have strange growths.
The lifespan is shorter.
I don't think we're creating perfect replicas.
To me, well, human life is sacred.
I can't say that I'm a fan of abortion, but I do believe women have the right to choose.
I think that if you're harvesting, if you create a full being for the purpose of harvesting, well, obviously we're into a legal area here and a moral area that gets us into some reprehensibility.
It's not right to do that.
But I think where you can maybe grow a liver, grow a heart, grow skin.
So really, the issue is whether there's suffering and whether there's murder.
And again, when you cross-section religion, if you go to Buddhism and you go to Hinduism, you get different views.
Certainly, it's a very sensitive subject.
And I do believe from profound evidence from researchers like Zacharias Titchin and other ancient gospels such as the Nag Hammani Library, the newfound Gospels of Christ that were found in Egypt in 1945 reveal a much different story of the creation of the human species.
And it is possible, just as we are now embarking on modifying DNA and improving DNA, in fact, there are scientists now who can actually stop aging in single-cell tissues.
I believe a scientist named Dr. Michael West at the University of Dallas Southwest Medical Center years ago had discovered how to stop aging in single-cell tissues.
Yeah, and all this means that in the future, we may, if we can reach the stars, if we can break the speed of light and start branching out into our universe, we become demigods.
We become co-creators in our universe.
And that has some very powerful implications.
And I believe also, if you consider the size of the universe, that life may have actually originally seeded on Earth from other star systems.
And that means we have grandfathers and grandmothers out there from other star systems that originally seeded life on this planet.
And I think one of the things that's happened in this NASA UFO investigation is we are seeing a clear link from what appears to be a powerful case.
And you can never be 100% certain, but what looks like a powerful case in a connection to a particular star system that represents the foundations and the founding of the earliest civilizations on our planet.
Well, I'd like to preface all of this by saying there's something very comforting in all of this to me, and that is that all of it, the multiverse, everything, these creatures, whether we are linked beyond to some interdimensional species or extraterrestrial species, all of it comes and was created by a God or a Godhead or the cosmic engineer, a great divine being.
I believe that.
I'm not a fundamentalist.
I'm a lapsed Catholic, an ex-altra boy, ex-seminarian, but I do believe that there is a divine presence behind all of it.
Oh, I, I mean, as part of my life's work, I've worked on the environment.
I've worked in high technology.
I planted trees.
But I've also, as artists mentioned, I'd spent 20 years under the influence of my father, who is a PhD in psychology from Berkeley, teaching me how to meditate since I was 13 years old.
And in meditation, you don't just look for a belief in God.
You actually look for the direct experience.
And without going into massive detail, I've had experiences that have verified that for me, that there is absolutely a supreme creator behind all this.
And whatever that creator might be, he certainly facilitated the technological advance that I was witness to.
And that is that I was in Martha's Vineyard, I was asleep, and I woke up to go outside and basically take a leak off my stone terrace there, the house I have in one of the hills on the island.
And I stood up on the terrace, and it was about 3 in the morning, and I looked up, and at about 100,000 feet, I'm sorry, it was about 50,000 feet up, because I know it was 50,000 feet up because it's exactly the height that the Concorde makes that right turn to go to Europe.
And I've seen the Concorde do that at 50,000 feet from that very stone terrace.
I have an aeronautical uh reference there.
Uh and I saw two glowing white disks side by side flying tandem or edge to edge or wing to wing or what have you, completely round, completely white and glowing, very luminous.
And they crossed from the southeast horizon right across the sky to the northwest in about 20 seconds.
And, you know, they were really, really moving.
And this was not a helicopter, not Venus, not the North Star, not the kite formation.
Once you've seen something like that, you've actually seen it with your own eyes, and I have too, in two separate instances, life is never going to be quite the same, is it?
Well, it makes for exciting conversation and exciting sort of reaffirmation of why we should go out at night and watch the skies and witness things in the heavens that are there naturally and perhaps unnaturally.
It was very exciting, and of course, to this day, I relate that experience and still get a tingle thinking about the moment that I saw that.
And now I can turn to my wife, and she can turn to me, and when someone brings up this conversation or this subject, we can say, well, we've had an experience, so we believe that there's something there, some species that has this technological ability.
Well, at that point, you know, they were so high up, it wasn't as if they were disturbing air traffic and they weren't a threat, they weren't a harm, all sorts of.
You know, Ronald Reagan said he saw one in his Beechcraft airplane coming from Sacramento to L.A. And also Jimmy Carter spoke of it and reported it to NICAP.
You know, you have many, many people, many, many people claiming that this is part of the plan.
Well, if they're really there, NASA would certainly have plenty of experience with them.
And when we come back, I want to talk to you too about things that I know you've seen, NASA footage you've seen, and NASA footage I've seen, for which there is no logical explanation.
Both of you, hold on.
We'll be right back.
Dan Aykroyd, David Sarita are here.
And we're talking about the stuff we usually talk about here.
Because if it's real.
And I tell you it is because I've seen it with my eyes, as has Dan Aykroyd and David.
It's important.
We'll be right back.
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I believe that extra-dimensionals, extraterrestrials, I believe that we are being visited by beings in possession of a superior, advanced, futuristic technology that enables them to wink in and out of beyond the fourth dimension that we perceive every day and possibly bend gravity to skip through time.
And David's book has an extraordinary theory about how this would be technically and scientifically possible.
There was a British Defense Ministry spokesman.
I forget his name.
No, Nick Pope would know about him.
But he was a guy in the 50 Lord something from the Ministry of Defense.
He said, postulated that we are being visited by as many as 23 different species, and that it's been going on since the beginning of recorded time.
And certainly people say, where's the proof, Dan?
Where's the evidence?
Well, you know, there's paintings, there's now photos, there's extraordinary amount of videotape now that you can get.
And, you know, those things on videotape, it's not helicopters.
It's not Venus.
It's not the moon.
It's these machines.
Now, is it us in the future coming back to re-engineer our DNA to make us in the future stronger?
Or is it a foreign species in a foreign star system?
And I think that David's book presents very plausible and believable and compelling evidence that we are being visited by a benevolent and beneficent species that really cares about us and our environment.
They certainly would have the power if they can do what they're doing, whether it's traverse dimensions or traverse the amount of space required to get here.
They could instantly get rid of us if they really wanted to.
So the question is, what are they doing?
Observing?
This is for either one of you.
Do you think they're observing?
Do you think they will step in at some point if we're about to wink ourselves out?
A Chinese professor named Chai Pu Te in 1938 led an archaeology team of Tibetan and Chinese archaeologists into the high mountains of Bayan Kara Ula on the Tibetan-Chinese border.
And that's 1938.
They found the skeletal remains of what appeared to be tiny people with large bulbous heads in a grave site with interlocking caves.
And that's an image I think that stands out in everybody's mind.
Where was that again?
It's on the border of Tibetan China in the mountains of Bayankara-Ula.
Professor Chai Pu Te in 1938.
Now then, when they go through the grave site, they find these round stones, round discs.
They're quite large, maybe two feet in diameter, roughly.
They find 716 of them.
They're round.
They have a hole in the center, a notch.
Many of them have a notch cut out of the side, and they have a spiraling groove of closely written characters, not unlike hieroglyphics, that actually were later translated.
He was going to say that the translation revealed that these round discs were emulations of giant spacecraft that crash-landed in these mountains 12,000 years ago and actually described this burning disc.
They were miniature replicas of the craft that came crash-landing into the mountains, and then they found these small people from another star system.
And then the answer was, okay, where were the people from?
I mean, there's not a lot written of them other than the fact that they crash-landed from another star system.
Inside of the caves, they had little p-sized dots connecting between stars and the Earth.
So these pea-sized dots were theoretically telling us where the origin of these ancient peoples were from.
In 1947, an English scientist named Dr. Carl Robin Evans went in under an audience from the 14th Dalai Lama, our current Dalai Lama.
He got an audience with him, and then he went to study with the local tribespeople in the area, learned the language, and then he learns from a local tribesman named Lurgon Law that this crash saucer and these ancient peoples came from the star system of Sirius 12,000 years ago.
So then we got an answer to what a Dropa Stone was, what it emulated, and where this ancient civilization was from.
And all of these images, if a picture is taken and it's transmitted back to ground control, well, that comes down through the ether and can be received by satellite, by receiving dishes on Earth.
Let's go to Vancouver, David, and talk about your friend at the cable station there and the massive material he gathered over the years and explain the body of the material that he gathered and his progress.
Yeah, the audience should understand how it was interrupted.
We no longer have that availability today because NASA has encrypted their broadcast.
But back then, in about 1994, I had been working with many of the top physicists from the United States and Russia in the field of nuclear fusion and had access to some of the literally the top physicists in the world.
And Martin Stubbs, the program manager of a cables TV station, through a photographer friend of mine named Michael Boyle, had approached me and said, would you do an investigation into this space shuttle phenomena, into what may be UFOs?
And I said, yeah.
I mean, I myself, in 1968 in Berkeley, California, was one of hundreds of witnesses to a daylight UFO sighting.
So for me, I knew they existed.
So it wasn't an absurd question to me.
And I took a look at the footage, and I looked at it.
And originally, I thought this would be a very quick investigation that would have some sort of a plausible answer.
And what I started to do was Martin Stubbs, the program manager of the cable TV station, started giving more and more of this footage.
He had spent around six or seven years of his life recording live NASA broadcasts and cataloging what appeared to be UFOs, or at least in the true sense of the word, unidentified flying objects.
So I started studying them, and I started writing scientists at NASA and talking to other physicists about them.
I had a lot of knowledge in science and physics myself, from being a fly-in-the-wall to many Nobel Prize-winning physicists and having them at my disposal.
So I knew how to do a lot of thinking myself.
And I started dialogue at NASA at the highest level.
I had been talking to scientists like Dr. Earl Van Landingham, who back in 1989 was the head of propulsion, power, and energy at NASA.
I had talked to Dr. Joseph Knuth III, who was NASA's head of astrochemistry.
I had talked to National Space Act Award-winning astrophysicist Lou Frank and Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell.
And there were quite a number of other physicists that over the course of the six years I was sharing the footage with and looking for answers.
You have the shuttle, it releases the satellite, a tethered satellite, hopefully to go up and get into the trajectory that they want it to achieve, but there was a mistake and the tether broke, correct, David?
And they also, when I freeze-frame these pulsing phenomenal discs, I got a spiraling wave exactly with showing all three phenomena matching the Dropa Stone, the notch, the hole in the middle, the round shape, and the spiraling wave.
And I suppose both of you are aware of some of the astounding UFO sightings in Europe that show exactly what you're talking about with a notch and all.
What occurred was that the 12-mile length of the tether, first of all, they ran a charge of electricity through it, just like you would charge any antenna.
And they were trying to produce energy as the tether dragged through the Earth's ionosphere, the magnetically charged part of our atmosphere, and also collecting highly charged particles that are basically permeating space in the zero plane of space all day long.
So, you know, you might speculate, at least I might, I can do that, that these beings were aware that we were on the precipice of discovering a new energy source that might change this planet forever.
So there's a lot more energy in the zero of space and what's now called the quantum void than scientists had ever previously thought.
And that energy field in space may be what some of these great civilizations from other star systems are tapping into to traverse the great distances of our universe.
But also, there seems to be a benevolent intervention here, David.
And in your book, you go on to postulate a theory as to why these crafts are visiting our outer atmospheres, or ionosphere, stratosphere.
And that would be why.
Why is this particular species, with this particular craft, what are they doing with these huge, are they just observing or are they acting on a benevolent impulse here?
Well, the first thing, I'd have to backtrack a bit to answer the question.
My original investigation at NASA started with Dr. News, the head of astrochemistry at NASA, talking about a discovery NASA had made in space of something they couldn't explain.
Giant 40-ton balls of water doing 35,000 miles an hour were entering our atmosphere at a rate of 10 to 20 million impacts a year.
David, you were in correspondence with this Dr. Knuf.
Now, how did you find out about the NASA research, which was revealing knowledge of these huge balls of water coming into the atmosphere and avoiding satellites and avoiding shuttles and somehow seemingly being directed?
Well, basically, about 1985, a scientist named Dr. Louis A. Frank, who was operating satellites that could see into the ultraviolet light spectrum.
Incidentally, the ultraviolet light spectrum is the spectrum of light that we can't see as humans, but because it's too high in energy for us to see.
They had developed cameras that were looking into these upper spectra of light.
And Frank started to detect these moving objects that were quite large and moving and entering our atmosphere.
And they were only showing up in these ultraviolet light spectrum.
Something that no one in the history of space science had ever observed before.
Normally, when you take a picture of an object, if I have any gas, liquid, or solid object in space, I can take a picture of it in an infrared, which is heat, a spectrum of light that's lower than the human eye can see, and then you could also take a picture of it in the visible spectrum, which we can see with our eyes.
But this was something completely different.
NASA was looking at something that was only showing up into the near and far ultraviolet.
That immediately cued my attention for a particular reason.
I'll have to backtrack a little bit.
In 1989, I was speaking with Dr. Earl Van Landingham, who was then NASA head of propulsion, power, and energy.
We had had a long talk about nuclear fusion.
And I decided to candidly ask him, had NASA ever made contact with an extraterrestrial civilization?
And Dr. Van Landingham didn't laugh.
He took the question very seriously.
And he said, no, we haven't.
And he said, when you consider the amount of energy it takes for a spacecraft to do the speed of light, to arrive at Earth from another star system, Alpha, Centauri, A and B are like 4.3 light years from Earth, and Sirius is 8.7, it takes a tremendous amount of energy to get velocity in a spacecraft.
And then, of course, you have other problems.
Another problem you have with a spacecraft attaining the speed of light is Einstein's law.
I'll make this very simple for people.
Basically, E equals M C squared tells us that solid mass, a spacecraft like the shuttle, can't go too fast.
It can't accelerate too fast because the faster it travels, the more the impeding force of inertia.
If you use the example of wind, if you stick your head out of a car doing 70 miles an hour, the wind impedes upon your face and pushes you back.
The faster you want to go, the stronger the wind gets.
When you go through space, there's not as much inertia, but as you start to get into incredible speeds, it starts to impede upon you.
And Einstein says the physical mass cannot attain light speed because the faster you go, the greater the inertia, and then you've got to increase your energy to the point that you can never actually attain light speed.
So where am I going with this?
Basically, what eventually physicists discover is that the only way you can go light speed is if you could, theoretically, if you could change the solid structure of a spacecraft and turn it into light, turn it into actual energy, so that it no longer has solid mass.
If you did achieve the speed of light, you would literally have to transform into light.
So if you look at why a photon can do the speed of light, it's because it has no mass.
It basically is called a massless particle.
So again, where is this going?
Dr. Earl Van Landingham, director of propulsion, power, and energy at NASA, told me, again, the energy part of the equation and that when you consider that, the great amounts of energy that it takes for a spacecraft to do the speed of light, he said we would detect a signal well advanced in the arrival of the spacecraft.
Well, where do we detect high-energy signals when we look at how we actually observe phenomena as humans we observe things in light speed time and we actually look at things in regards to light how do we actually make high energy observations well in the electromagnetic spectrum at the bottom of the spectrum you have radio and t v waves higher in frequency than that you have microwaves then you have infrared all of these spectrum are invisible but detectable to humans at this point with our current
technology.
And as you go higher into the spectrum, what you're actually observing is higher and higher levels of energy.
So in regards to Van Lanningham's statement, where we should be looking to see greater energy signal is not down in radio where SETI is looking, but rather up into the visible and the near ultraviolet, the far ultraviolet, the extreme ultraviolet, and even higher into X-ray and gamma-ray waves.
And everyone's starting to figure this out now because, again, when you take the energy part of the equation that both Einstein and Earl Van Lanningham are stating to us, we need to be looking at higher energy signals.
And so NASA's video cameras on the space shuttle, which all of this footage of the tether was taken on is a special camera that is kind of, they basically take an off the shelf video camera and they soup it up kind of like you would soup up a hot rod car to see into the near ultraviolet light spectrum.
So when something only shows up in the ultraviolet light spectrum, it means the entirety of the object.
It means every single atom is vibrating as pure waveform energy in a spectrum of energy that is actually radiating with so much energy that we can't see it.
That's exactly what, in regards to what Van Lanningham is saying, where we should be looking to detect such a signal and and that's exactly where these UFOs are showing up so how are they explaining this now when he started to find these water balls only showing up in the ultraviolet spectrum going 35,000 miles an hour and hitting our upper atmospheres hitting hitting our upper atmosphere doing 35,000
miles an hour I went oh my god this these this meets the criteria of unidentified flying object phenomena for what we should be looking for and then I got in the middle of this huge debate between Lou Frank all these other scientists and Dr. Joseph Newt III the head of astrochemistry at NASA trying to find out what these things were and that's where it all began what we ended up with was a war on one hand Frank really did appear to be seeing giant water balls entering our atmosphere but on the other hand there were so
of them and they weren't showing up in infrared which they should which showed me they were highly quantized phenomenal objects and then noose was pulling his hair out of his head because he said with this many objects impacting our atmosphere no satellite nor the space shuttle has a chance of surviving days let alone years if these were actually naturally occurring water balls or what are now called small comets and and so there's a huge disagreement the only answer in
the end that i could come up with in in the debate was that these water balls were being intelligently directed around the satellites and that was the only way we could describe how they the only answer to explain why they aren't hitting the satellite hitting them well is it so hard to imagine after all uh there's a very strong theory that uh that's the way life was seeded originally on earth water is the matrix of all life it is you bet every living thing is made of water and then
the other part of the problem was that water cannot survive deep transits in space not small amounts of water like this right without burning up under the intensely hot rays of ultraviolet and gamma rays and x-rays in fact it shouldn't even be here so then i postulated to newfet the only possible answer is that they had a phenomenal membrane around them kind of like a radiant barrier uh let me explain to people what a radiant barrier is in space the temperature
the temperature of space is minus 273 degrees so it's freezing but as soon as you have a gas liquid or solid exposed to space above the atmosphere it basically gets bombarded by cosmic rays from our sun and from other stars and you get temperature so because you're getting temperature uh on the water at such a high degree the water should theoretically burn up it shouldn't have arrived here so the only way to protect anything in space satellites this the space shuttle
or these the other ones that are going to be able to protect the air at the air is that they had a foil like or a gold reflective uh...
radiant barrier to balance out those those harmful rays kind of like we know the same way down on the earth here we try to we are uh...
the more intense cosmic rays from entering our atmosphere so at this point the
only way we could see the water ball surviving is if they had a barrier around them and that would start to look like some sort of an intelligence and that's something that nasa would could not agree to so the the debate remains stagnant has remained stagnant to this day i thought in the blanks the answer was clear to me the only way they could be going that there would could be so many of them impacting our atmosphere and not hitting the satellites is for one they were going around them and two they might must have had some sort of a thin or
protective shell and that and that starts to lead to the idea that we're dealing with intelligence yes but nasa then is well aware of this and and all of the other nasa footage that i'm sure dan has seen a lot of i've seen it too you can't watch this footage without your mind getting blown and and you're you're saying to yourself well then we're being lied to i think that i think that the rank and file of nasa i think i think that that there are many there who are big fans of this footage it's known that many were big fans of the mission to
mars movie which which laid out and postulated uh...
the seating scenario and that i think that your public relations uh...
mechanism at NASA has is just operating under this is it the Space Act of 1958 David yeah exactly it was the Space Act of 1958 There's a blank, you know, government employees and people in aerospace and astrophysics and in the military are prohibited by United States code by, I forget what title it is, title something, subsection paragraph, you know.
You'd have to have a lawyer look into it, but are prohibited from talking about UFOs.
Well, I had two NASA public relations guys on the air with me, and it was very instructive.
Their answers were very instructive in essentially denying everything.
I mean, just it was an obvious, full-blown, we're going to deny everything, ice crystals, propulsion, any reason at all one can give, the reasons they do give.
Okay, so this gets incredibly interesting because, again, I didn't know where this investigation was going.
This was day one.
Basically, what happens and what I started arguing with Dr. Knuth about is first he agreed with me.
He said one of the problems with Frank's hypothesis is that these water balls theoretically could not be coming here.
They couldn't survive the intense temperatures of space.
I eliminated tailings from the recent passings of comets such as Halebop.
He said, no, these are definitely not melted tailings from the passing of a comet because it's something that's been occurring even when no comet has been passing by.
So we eliminated that.
We eliminated shooting stars, space debris, space junk, just about everything in the argument.
And then I said to Dr. Newth, well, wouldn't the enormity of water, you've got 40 tons of water, they're evaporating as they hit the upper atmosphere.
I said, wouldn't the intense radiation from the sun break the H and the O, water is hydrogen and oxygen, separate the two.
At 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, hydrogen separates from oxygen, and the oxygen, as it got bombarded, the oxygen that was released from the water would be bombarded by solar radiation and produce ozone.
So we all know our ozone layer is dying, and yet these mysterious balls of water would be producing oxygen, which would then transmutate into O3, which is ozone.
So I said, oh my God, is the, actually my first question to Knuth about that is, is there a God?
Is someone hearing our call?
Are these things actually producing ozone?
And he agreed with me, yes, they would actually produce some ozone.
He didn't know or understand exactly how much ozone they're producing.
And it's a very difficult conversation to have with a scientist like Dr. Knuth at NASA because, first of all, they're not able to take accurate measurements about how much ozone has been depleted and also how much these things are producing.
So if we're seeing a retardation in the damage to the ozone layer, it could be related to these giant water balls.
I used to know the scientist at NASA, retired now at Berkeley, Dr. Johnston, who did the original calculations on ozone depletion for NASA about 15 years ago.
And his calculations showed me something so terrifying.
He said within 30 years, that was about 10 or 15 years ago, life could end on this planet.
He said, we don't have to lose all the ozone for life to end.
We only have to lose some of it.
And yet that hasn't happened.
So I'm quite interested.
I don't know how much ozone these things are producing, but it seems to be an act of benevolence because what later happens in this investigation, we were talking earlier about the dropostones and how they looked identical with the square notch cut of the side, the hole in the middle, and the spiraling wave to a dropistone.
Now, I didn't know where this investigation was going, but many years later, basically five or six years later, when I had made, through a researcher named David Boward, made the connection to the Dropostones, and I researched how they were connected to the star system Sirius, and then I decided to read Robert Temple's book, The Sirius Mystery, and I learned, oh my God, here was my answer.
The ancient Syrian gods were known as the masters of water.
They were known as the water gods who were from watery planets in the Sirius star system.
And everything came crashing together.
In Temple's book, The Sirius Mystery, he talks of a tribe, an African tribe called the Dogon tribe in northwest Africa who prophecy the return of these Syrian gods.
And the day of the return would be called the Day of the Fish, which is quite interesting to describe the aquatic or watery nature of these gods.
And lo and behold, during the STS-75 tether incident, the tether and the satellite and the shuttle were passing directly over northwest Africa, moving on over to Egypt, the precise home and location of the Dogon tribe who prophesied their return.
So was all this a coincidence?
Was the original investigation into water and the intelligence around water and then the enormous UFOs and how they led me to the star system of Sirius and then finding out that the Syrian gods, Which again you can learn about all this in great detail in the documentary, were the masters of water and that they had mastery over water.
And in fact, if we look back in biblical history, we can see the God of Moses parting the Red Sea.
We can see Jesus Christ walking on the water and commanding the sea to a calm.
We can see all of these great gods of Egypt who were known as masters of water.
So it really looks like we're looking at something far beyond coincidence, that we could not have so many coincidences.
Well, when you've got frogs missing limbs and growing extra limbs and missing eyes and tumors, when you have species dying out around the world in South America, in formerly pristine areas like rainforests and jungles,
when you have acid rain eating the paint off my farmhouse, air pollution at such degrees now that even towns along here where we are in Lake Ontario are suffering.
Formerly, they didn't have that kind of a problem.
You know, I think we are in, we're probably, as David Suzuki, the great environmentalist, says, we are a minute from midnight and midnight being catastrophe.
But David, tell us about the shuttle launch and the Syrians being the proponents of water, these beings that are the masters of these water balls in your theory.
Well, basically, you know, where we left off is, again, we've made a connection here.
We started an investigation six years ago at NASA into water balls that defied all logic and all physics.
They seem to be, to me, to be intelligently driven.
And ultimately, in chemistry, water breaks down into hydrogen and oxygen, and the oxygen transmutates into ozone.
And that would definitely be producing a significant amount of ozone in our atmosphere.
And that would obviously have some sort of a healing or benefit to our failing ozone layer.
And then, of course, we made the connection to the Dropostones, and the Dropostones led us to Sirius, the star system of Sirius.
And when I read Robert Temple's book, which is another book I really urge people to read, we make the connection to the Syrian gods as the masters of water.
And the ancient Egyptian gods and goddesses were known as, in Temple's research, the masters of water.
So again, it all came crashing together.
There were so many coincidences.
And further, that the space shuttle and during the Tether incident was traveling right over Northwest Africa, the home of the ancient Dogon priests and the Dogon tribe who live in Mali, Northwest Africa, and prophesied the return of the Nomos, what they call the Nomos, or the ancient gods from the star system of Sirius, and said it would be called the Day of the Fish and the Star of the 10th Moon.
And this would mark their return.
And that Tempo actually wrote in his book that the Dogons described these ancient gods from Sirius traveling to Earth in watery spacecraft that would be encapsulated in a thin metal shell.
And inadvertently, Tempo was actually describing Dr. Frank's discovery of water balls that had a radiant barrier or some sort of a foil protecting barrier around them to prevent them from burning up under the intense radiation from the sun.
So there was just so many coincidences in this investigation that it just doesn't look like many of NASA scientists trying to slough these things off as some sort of explainable phenomena.
And I've talked to NASA people, and I tell them about the kind of things you're talking about right now, and they say, my God, if NASA knew of something like this going on, some program like this going on, extraterrestrials visiting us, we would be the very first to tell you about it because we depend on a budget.
And nothing would get our budget going like, you know, a discovery of extraterrestrials.
So there's got to be some much larger force at work that would prevent them from feeding their own budget.
Well, Actually, just before we went on the show tonight, I got off the phone with a friend of mine who was working on the space station.
I can't really tell his name because he has since become a massive fan of the NASA footage.
I've shared it with him and his family.
And he's saying NASA's falling apart under Bush right now.
In fact, Dan Golden, who is actually resigning from NASA because of arguments with the president and the president trying to cut funding, cutting back the space station, cutting back everything at NASA.
A lot, and again, I've worked with in the association of many of the top physicists in this country, including people like Glenn Sieberg, who chaired the Atomic Energy Commission and invented plutonium, won the Nobel Prize for it, responsible for all the nuclear testing out in Nevada under Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon.
And people, these people are not really trained to understand how to look for, again, going back to Earl Van Lenningham's statement, how would you recognize a high-energy signal?
And I don't think they really, when they were looking through these cameras and seeing these glowing giant disks, and then they pull their eye away from the camera and there's nothing there.
i think that uh...
they didn't even really understand what they were seeing but uh...
Yeah, I think they'd have a hard time with it, yeah.
I mean, again, people I know at NASA, there's a couple of physicists that I mentioned in my investigation who are absolutely baffled by these videotapes.
Dr. Louis A. Frank was so baffled, and his research team was so baffled, he couldn't even...
And this is a National Space Act Award-winning astrophysicist admitting to me he can't explain what these things are.
Those were 200 to 300 mile wide circles and they were moving and they showed up on radar, but we couldn't see them.
That is exactly what we should be looking for in regards to considering Einstein's law that a solid craft can't do the speed of light, but if you turn into pure energy, you can.
Well, that's a subject that in the video, in the documentary, and also in the book, I treat with incredible respect.
What I did is with a zero-point energy scientist named Steve Okriland and Maui, we got a giant TV, plugged the tether tape into an incredibly good quality VCR, and we watched the pulsing waves, the UFOs that are actually pulsing as they move over the top of the tether.
Okay, I freeze-framed those pulses with an incredibly accurate VCR, and I started studying the wave patterns.
And you're going to see this in the documentary, and it's really hard to explain it on the air, but I'll basically tell you that the wave patterns revealed to me that the propulsion system of these craft and the generating, the energy generation system of these crafts.
And I'll explain.
Basically, extremely high frequency waves that are obviously stronger than light are pulsating through the craft.
And what happens when you pulsate mass, steel, with high frequency waves of energy?
A Canadian scientist named John Hutchison, who is discoverer of the Hutchison effect, is actually doing the exact same thing.
He's been pulsing extremely high frequency waves from Tesla coils and Van de Graaff generators and really high frequency radio waves at steel and solid objects.
So what ends up happening is you're seeing, when I looked at the UFOs and I see these high-frequency waves pulsating through their mass, they're telling me how they're levitating And moving their craft.
Hutchison proves the point by in his experiments, he's pulsating a 70-pound cannonball with high-frequency waves.
Eventually, the solid structure of the cannonball becomes so high in frequency that it starts to defy gravity and levitates.
So, many of the reports we've had, Dan mentioned it a little while ago, are of craft that come into the visual spectrum for a period of time and then, to us anyway, virtually wink out and then may appear later an impossible distance away.
I can completely explain that with what I'm explaining to you.
Actually, in the NASA UFO documentary, we have footage from the space shuttle looking down at the Earth.
You'll see a UFO materialize suddenly in front of the space shuttle cameras, as if from another dimension.
Again, when we consider the space shuttle cameras looking into, say, the near-ultraviolet light spectrum, a spectrum of energy that's too high in frequency for us to see, these craft are able to take their solid mass, like Hutchison's cannonball, transform them into a high-frequency wave state, which makes them turn into mass becomes energy.
And as mass becomes energy, it basically is transforming into light.
As it goes higher in frequency in that spectrum, it eventually can go so high in energy that we can't see it anymore.
So it appears to go into another dimension.
If the UFO started vibrating in the near ultraviolet, for instance, suddenly it would appear to disappear in front of our eyes.
The reason it's doing that is because the higher its frequency it becomes, it's becoming lighter and lighter and lighter.
And once it becomes as light as a photon, it's easy for it to do the speed of light.
In fact, it requires very little energy in the form of propulsion to move a solid spacecraft made of photons, made of light, because they have no mass.
Probably not as advanced, but I can tell you one thing about Area 51 that I've done some research into, and that is that a company called EG ⁇ G, one of the top four defense contractors in 1968 boasted that they had a successful demonstration of a nuclear propulsion system called Phobos 2A.
Now, that would be a radioactive nuclear propulsion system because we know that we haven't actually developed truly non-radioactive nuclear power sources yet.
I worked with some of the top nuclear fusion scientists in the world.
I spoke in Congress in fusion in 1992, and there is definitely a retardation in our country to funding truly non-radioactive types of fusion, and we haven't gone there yet.
So one of the signatures you could look for in discerning between an experimental craft, such as those being developed at Area 51 that are nuclear propulsion systems, is that there would be radioactivity evident.
And that would mean during a fighting or encounter, you might receive radiation burns.
We can't assume that someone coming from a star system like Sirius or Alpha Centauri is going to be exposing themselves to radiation because they would die long before they got here.
So when we see radiation around spacecraft, harmful radiation, I should point out, we might be seeing a signature that we're looking at something that was developed at Area 51 or somewhere else on the Earth that is some sort of experimental craft.
But non-radioactive nuclear energies, and certainly getting into zero-point energy and gravity beyond light speed theory or magnetism beyond light speed theory craft, which is what I think we're looking at in the video, they're obviously far beyond nuclear fusion.
I'll give you an example.
In about 1989, 1990, I met Dr. Glenn Seaborg, who chaired the Atomic Energy Commission under Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon.
And he was getting involved in a type of non-radioactive nuclear fusion called helium-3 fusion, developed by a scientist I know very well from MIT named Dr. Bogdan Maglich.
And I asked Seaborg about zero-point energy and these alternative energy developers.
And he said, if anyone had developed a gravity generator, they would have the most advanced form of energy, so far advanced that even it would make nuclear fusion obsolete.
And he said, I don't believe anyone's developing anything like that on the Earth today.
Show the footage, discuss the topic of the Syrian, the benevolent Syrians who may be helping us heal our ozone and on many other subjects, hopefully in subsequent shows.
I know that we only have a half hour with each guest, but we're going to get into a full range of subjects, and I'm sure David will be a frequent guest.
And in answer to your question about why they don't reveal this, why they don't, there's no open discussion here of these matters.
Well, there was a congressional study done in the 50s about what this knowledge would do to Western society.
And, you know, it was concluded in that study that there'd be a general breakdown of respect for authority.
Yeah, we're supposed to respect the teacher, the cop on the street, the military man and the president when there's a higher being and a higher force up there.
And you'd have that breakdown in society and that disrespect for authority, people not going to work, people not going to church.
Well, this is the theory anyway.
I think humankind at this point, today, in the year 2001, with all that's happening on the planet, with 50% of the people in polls taken all the time believing in paranormal and supernatural events and that there is much more beyond the four dimensions that we live in, much more than we see.
I think people are ready to handle it.
And I think that Brookings' report was done a half a century ago, and times have changed.
All one has to do is read the tremendous books that were out in the 70s and 80s about the ghost of flight 401, Lockheed L1011 that crashed in the swamp in Florida.
That is a compelling ghost story, and that's one I frequently tell around the fire here in Canada.
There are many, many books out.
I have photos that were taken.
We took a bike ride up through Louisiana and into Mississippi, and we went to the Myrtles plantation there.
And with our Harleys, we pulled up in our leathers.
We were walking around, and I have Polaroids of things in behind my friends' heads.
Shapes, shrouds, shrouded figures, right there on camera.
And people purport that the Myrtles is one of the most haunted places in America.
I've spoken to United States Park Rangers who work at Ellis Island.
And they say that walking those parapets at night, they have seen gray apparitions.
They've felt cold spots.
They've heard voices.
You know, Hans Holtzer was a great researcher of all of this stuff, and he's got audio tapes of otherworldly voices that just are, again, compelling, compelling evidence.
I've heard the stories for years and years and years.
So compelling.
And I've seen a lot of very compelling photographs.
So I believe.
What I'm interested in, though, is the possibility that these ghosts or these entities are hard to separate from some of what we're talking about with David.
We don't really know that they're from necessarily Sirius or who they are or what dimension they're from or anything else about them, in quotes.
And I'm not so sure that all of this is not connected.
I mean, one night I was going crazy because you had a woman on in the Los Angeles area who was taking pictures in the ultraviolet and seeing these UFOs show up that weren't showing up in regular view.
And I knew the answer.
I was trying to get through on the line, but I couldn't.
But also, in regards to Sirius, and when you mentioned NASA, do they know?
Your most profound space science researcher, Richard Hogwan, stated on your show that on May 27th, 1999, NASA launched STS mission 96 at 6.50 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time with Sirius at 33.33 degrees on the horizon.
And that number, 33.33 degrees, is the highest number in symbology, in Masonic wisdom.
Do you think there's any evidence that quantum ideas, and even beyond light speed theory technologies.
So NASA suddenly became very interested in 1996 and funded this new division into zero-point energy, something that previously they weren't interested in.
Why was it all happening around that year?
Also, an astronaut who was on board that particular mission, Dr. Franklin Chang-Diaz, who saw whatever we are seeing on the videotape live that day, we saw pulsing UFOs.
Dr. Franklin Chang-Diaz became the head of the Johnson Space Center's propulsion lab, and he developed a pulsed plasma rocket just a few years later.
Was he trying in his own way to reverse engineer the kind of physics he thought he was seeing that day?
There's just so many coincidences as we go through this investigation.
And I really think people should look and take a look at this documentary and the video and see and read the book if they can and make their own decision.
I've shown arguments on NASA's side as to why they think they're not UFOs, some scientists at NASA that are mystified and from the viewpoint that these are unidentified flying objects, and I think I've shown all sides in this case, and people can make up their minds in the end who they want to believe.
Well, the people who would have seen a lot of this are the astronauts.
Now, the astronauts, those including those who went to the moon, have all had incredibly difficult lives since their missions, as though they are aware of something, and they're keeping it inside.
I mean, they have had about alcoholism at just an astounding rate, loss of families, divorces, all kinds of very difficult things have happened to these guys who had the right stuff.
And so there are NASA employees, NASA first-hand astronauts, space travelers, star travelers of earthly origin, who are humans who are of our consciousness and intelligence, who are admitting that there is much more.
Go to Alpine and go 30 miles west of Alpine and park your car at the state-certified Paranormal Mystery parking lot.
Because the state of Texas has right there Marfa Mystery Lights and gives you a little table and a chair and a place to pull your RV over.
And watch those lights, and they appear every night between dusk and dawn.
And they hop around.
They change colors.
I've sighted them with an infrared viewer.
I've seen them with the naked eye.
i've had people with me
thing is there's nothing out there to produce them there's no gas there's no it's not a car it's not a generator but they're there they're there and that is a true paranormal mystery and one recognized by the state of Texas by the way uh here in Nevada to give ourselves a plug we've got something called the extraterrestrial highway recognized by the state of Nevada that's right yeah I almost hit a cow there a couple years Ago on a motorcycle going up to the Little Alien.
I've been to, yeah, been to Rachel, seen the mailbox.
And what is great about the Little Alien is you go into the corner as you're eating your burger and having your milkshake, and with all the fine people there, Pat and everybody, on the wall is just the most vivid and spectacular collection of home-assembled photos of UFOs.
You know, people just tack these photos up, and they've been coming from all over the world for years, and there's a great, great display there that kind of rivals the one at the Roswell Museum.
Well, I think personally that this is all very obvious to my listeners, to the two of you, to myself, and I think that you're right.
I think that the Brookings Institution study is still in force, and I believe that at the highest levels in this country, they've determined that this information cannot get out.
Simply cannot get out.
And I don't know, with shows like mine, with shows like the one you've got coming, Dan, and the information you've got, David, if it's really this serious, they're not going to really let this get out.
Not to the point where there's a public epiphany, you know, and everybody suddenly realizes it really is true.
They're just not going to, they can't let it happen.
Only, well, the ones that David writes about, the Syrian theory, those are benevolent species.
I believe that there are non-benevolent ones at all.
And I think there are probably training programs underway at certain levels of the military.
And there should be with a defensive stance.
Now, Stephen Greer says that we should not be developing the missile defense shield.
We should not be developing space-oriented weapons at all because they, I guess, will act as a deterrent to the species coming down to try to make contact.
But I think it helps to have something in reserve.
Well, there is that footage, David, that you showed me of some kind of a high-speed craft coming towards Earth, and then a beam comes up from Earth, and it misses it, and then the thing makes the right angle turn and kind of flies away.
We actually have a lot of research, and I didn't go into it into this investigation, of what are known as ultraviolet light weapons, which would attack them in their frequency.
But the Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology, a wealth of information in that agency as to the most advanced defense capabilities we have, I'm very well aware of.
We've got a gathering over Africa of about eight or nine UFOs gathering in a circle.
We have a UFO manifesting from another dimension.
We've got a UFO that I'm able to calculate speed on at over 900,000 miles an hour moving over the curvature of the Earth and disappearing on the horizon.
We have a high-speed nearly 90-degree turn, which is something that just baffles physicists' minds.
There's an incredible amount of footage and investigation and a lot of compelling theories and arguments going along with each piece of footage.
And the Brazilian defense guy there who was in the last couple of years speaking about his activities and his studies and the investigations that he undertook.