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Dec. 5, 2001 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - The Case for NASA UFOs - David Sereda - Dan Aykroyd
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♪ From the high desert and the great American Southwest,
I bid you all good evening, good afternoon, good morning, whatever time of day it might be in all 24 time zones,
by this radio program ever growing.
Tonight, including a new affiliate, KTYXFM in Natchez, Mississippi.
I like that name.
Natchez, Mississippi.
Something about that.
GM there, Margaret Perkins.
Margaret, thank you for putting us on the air.
I hope you don't regret it.
It's a pretty strange show.
But, boy, there sure are a lot of affiliates out there.
Glad to have you all.
Glad you're along.
First, the war news.
Three American soldiers were killed and 19 were wounded in Afghanistan today when a U.S.
bomb missed its Taliban target.
The bomb carrying 2,000 pounds of explosives landed about 100 yards from the soldiers' position north of Kandahar, where the Taliban are making their last stand.
Now, officials are saying it's a mystery and they don't know how it happened or what happened.
Well, I do.
There's no mystery to it.
When you call in an airstrike virtually on your own position, or so close, it happens.
It's happened in every single war.
Anti-Taliban forces battled guerrillas loyal to bin Laden with tanks, mortars, and whatever else they had today, fighting their way through remote mountains toward a cave complex where they believe the terror suspect is holed up.
Now, So in other words, they're getting close, perhaps, to Osama Bin Laden in the White Mountain area.
A B-52's laid down some carpet stuff with 250 and 500 pound bombs.
Now, I keep asking the question, and people don't know what to say.
And the question is simple.
What do we do if we catch Bin Laden?
What do we do with him?
Does he die on the spot?
I mean, certainly that can be arranged, and you can imagine there could be orders that, uh, you know, would, uh, would include that phrase, terminate immediately with prejudice or whatever.
Do we bring him back, put him on trial?
What, war crimes?
I mean, what do we do with Ben Laden?
Nobody really knows what's right because of the apparent or possible, no, apparent is more like it, repercussions if we put him in jail.
Security and public health demands could cost states up to about four billion dollars, that's serious money this year, in protection against bioterrorism of one sort or another.
That's a lot of money.
A lot of money.
Wow.
The Dow has finally made its way to the 10,000 mark.
We'll see if it stays tomorrow, but another very good day for the markets, both the Dow and the Nasdaq.
An escaped convict suspected of mailing hundreds of anthrax hoax letters to abortion clinics was caught at a copy shop in a Cincinnati suburb.
Clayton Lee Wagner, one of the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives, was arrested after employees at Kinko's, All Right Kinko's, recognized him and called police.
So apparently he, you know, would go to Kinko's to do his dirty work, send, you know, threats and messages and what have you, and somebody at Kinko's nailed him.
Called the police and they got him.
Way to go, Kinko's.
Well, this is interesting.
You may remember my visit to the Today Show on NBC.
About the coming global superstorm and then follow-up interview that occurred about a year ago now.
The Today Show this morning spent a couple of segments just on the weather alone.
They showed scenes from one state in the mid-US, can't remember which one, with snow like you wouldn't believe.
Not typical for snow, you know, for this time of year, not even close.
Then they showed lovely Buffalo, New York.
Where, of course, they get more snow than anywhere else in the world except now.
They're expecting a high, or were, of 67 degrees, which is clearly a record breaker.
And they haven't had any white stuff fall at all.
No snow.
No snow in Buffalo.
But 67 degrees.
It's a virtually unthinkable concept if you lived in Buffalo or live in Buffalo now.
The residents there seemed rather thrilled about it.
Well, why not?
Sure.
We saw scenes of folks hanging up their outside Christmas decorations, wearing shorts.
Scenes of other lightly-dressed folks casually strolling down sidewalks.
A reporter did the segment on downtown Buffalo, did have a sweater on, but the sleeves were rolled up, and this was at 7 in the morning.
The same reporter showed news footage of a report he did this month last year from Buffalo.
At that time, Buffalo had blizzard conditions.
Anyway, says my faxer, Brian in Kennewick, Washington, Matt, Katie, and Al will come around eventually.
So, yeah, I agree.
I think they're beginning to get with the curve a little bit and recognize what's going on.
If and when the coming global superstorm gets to be a miniseries, I think you should go on the Dead Day Show just again to say, hey, I'm not going away and either is the weather.
Well, clearly the weather is in the middle of a very, you know, a very, very Serious change.
And probably, as far as mortal man is concerned, the ones that are alive now, permanent.
And then I keep getting, I'm getting a million of these.
Listen.
Hi Art.
Was listening in on Monday night.
Heard one caller mention the problem he had with hearing voices prior to or when falling asleep.
The caller mentioned that he could hear several hundred voices.
And then, or just one voice calling his name, which would cause him to wake up.
Since I have had the same experiences, I thought I should look it up on the World Wide Web.
And it seems there are many, many others afflicted with this, in quotes, problem.
And most of the psychological reference guides call it hypnagogic hallucination.
Other sites associate these types of hallucinations with narcolepsy.
However, I've only had one or two and sleep just fine the rest of the time.
I can only think that it's an event triggered by stress or some other life issue or it may well be the other side trying to connect with us through this drowsy dimension.
This drowsy, this interesting, and it is a really, we should have some sort of sleep expert on the program to talk about this magical period of time between you know when you're awake and thinking whatever thoughts you are and that instant when you pass into sleep and you know lapse out of a conscious state but in that little twilight zone good name twilight zone of a time oh my my
All sorts of magical, interesting things occur.
We can move out of our bodies.
We can see things we would not normally see.
We can hear things we would not normally hear.
And, of course, these psychologists have explanation A for that.
You know, nice and neat.
They've got a name for it.
But I'm not so sure, at all.
And I'm not so sure that they're sure, either.
They just write papers and have to publish or perish, and so they say what they say about it.
But, you know, to me, it does seem possible that this little magical period of time is a time when communication with the other side, or another side, we don't really know what we're talking about here, right?
Is possible, even probable.
And so, since Monday's program, when we got that call, we've had, uh, I... I don't know, I've just been flooded with these.
I could read them to you all night long.
People having exactly the same experience.
Fascinating.
Alright, let's try a call or two here.
Open lines, balance of this hour, then next hour... David Cerita.
And Dan Aykroyd, yes, the Dan Aykroyd, are going to be here.
And they're going to be talking a lot about NASA.
And who knows what they're going to talk about.
I mean, you get Dan Aykroyd on the air and David Sirita.
David, we had... Last time we had David Sirita on, for the second time in the history of this show, the satellite connection went kaboot.
It was really weird.
It was historical.
It was on an anniversary of the same event.
And I sort of don't even want to talk about it.
Anyway, tonight, David Sarita and Dan Aykroyd.
In the next hour.
This hour?
Oh, very much open lines.
First time caller line, you are on the air.
Good morning.
Hi.
Hi.
Where are you, sir?
San Diego.
Okay, welcome.
Oh, thank you.
You know, I have never listened to your program until after 9-11, and I've heard it almost every night since then.
You really got some very interesting subjects on there.
You know, you're probably right in that a lot of people like yourself were traumatized and couldn't sleep after that event, after the 9-11 event, and I bet I got a lot of listeners that way, huh?
One thing I want to bring up, you know, I keep hearing you talking about what to do with Ben Laden if they catch him.
Yes.
I don't know if this has come up or not, but, uh, you know, truth serum to have him, uh, captured alive?
Yeah.
Truth serum and find out what he knows, not only about, uh, areas he's in, but the other couple of countries we've been concerned about.
That was my only thought about that.
In other words, and so for that reason, because of the intelligence you could get about Al Qaeda's plans around the world, yeah, sure, strap him down, inject him with some irresistible juice.
That would not be helpful, huh?
All right.
All right.
Thank you very much for the question.
That's interesting.
Now, there is a creative idea for you.
While certainly the temptation is to want a quick piece of hot lead between the eyes, He would have the ultimate intelligence about what was going to happen, where it was being organized.
Yeah, you know, he's really right about that, when you think about it.
You know, you want immediate vengeance, right?
But a little truth juice might go a long way.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Wow, Art, this is wonderful.
I can't believe I got through.
Well, yes, you have.
Where are you?
My name is Denise.
I'm calling from Tampa, Florida, listening on 970 WFLA.
Of course.
I cannot believe I got through.
You're not going to believe what I have to call and tell you about.
All right.
I'm listening.
The night that you did the Princeton thing.
Yes.
This is so weird.
Oh, my God.
My stomach is all sick.
I work at night and I had I had a Jeep Wrangler soft top.
Mm-hmm.
And I was listening, and I couldn't pull over and concentrate with everybody, but I was doing it, you know, as I was driving, and it was three o'clock in the morning.
Right.
And I had a tingly feeling while I was thinking about it.
So did I. Because I felt like I was a part of something.
So did I. And a cat ran in front of my Jeep.
I lost control, and it turned two times into a ditch and bounced off the utility pole.
Oh my God.
And I have no serious injuries, and I just feel like I just feel like something was there protecting me, and it was just so incredible, and I've been dying to tell you this.
I've been meaning to email you, and I tried to call a couple times, but I'm so excited that I was able to tell you.
What happened to the cat?
The cat lived.
Isn't that wonderful?
It is.
So you... Well, I'll be doggoned.
I have six cats at home.
There's no way that I could not have swerved and missed that cat.
No, I know.
I'm the very same way.
There's no way I could hit a cat.
I'd probably wreck my car.
Yeah, it was scary, and I just...
I never lost consciousness and I have some bruises left and some scrapes, but I'm just so lucky and I really appreciate your show and everything that you do.
It really makes you think outside the box, right?
That's the idea.
Thank you and take care.
Yes, thinking outside the box is indeed the idea.
Trying to imagine things that during the day you just can't spend time imagining and thinking about because there is so much more to this world than what we tromp around every day doing out of habit or even love or for whatever reason you do what you do.
At night, things are calmer.
People are more reflective about their lives in these dark hours.
And you can begin to think of a few of the things that are probably much more important in the long run than whatever occupies your mind during the day's busy work.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Yes.
How are you doing tonight?
Okay, sir.
What's up?
Oh, I just thought I'd call and, uh...
Ask you about a gift you had on there before.
It was about that Rocket Man or whatever they call him.
What'd you call him?
Uh, oh yes, the Rocket Man, of course.
Uh, the man who's going to... 1997?
The man who's going to blast himself into space, right?
No, no, no.
Oh, no?
No, it was a different man.
The one that you had, uh, it was supposed to make that engine.
It went down to Area 51 and that.
Uh, now I'm not sure who you're talking about.
Oh, it was in 1997.
You had it on a while back, the best of.
That is a while back.
Well, I wish I could help you out, sir, but I've had many, many people who fit the description of Rocket Man, one way or the other.
And I've also talked to, collectively, quite a number of people who have been at Area 51, including one last night.
So I'm not exactly sure.
This was sent to me, written actually, by Bruce Cameron.
And, uh... It's called, The Eight Simple Rules for Dating My Daughter.
Now, you think you've heard them, but these are new rules.
So, uh, thank you very much, uh, Bruce Cameron.
When I was in high school, I used to be terrified of my girlfriend's father, who I believe suspected me of wanting to place my hands on his daughter's chest.
He'd open the door and immediately affect a good-naturedly murderous expression, holding out a handshake that, when gripped, felt like it could squeeze carbon into diamonds.
Now, years later, it's my turn to be the dad, remembering how unfairly persecuted I felt when I'd pick up my dates.
I do my best to make my daughter's suitors feel even worse.
My motto?
Wilt them in the living room and they stay wilted all night.
So, I'll call out jovially.
I see you have your nose pierced.
Is that because you're stupid?
Or did you merely want to appear stupid?
As a dad, I have some basic rules which I've carved into two stone tablets that I have actually displayed in my living room.
Rule one.
If you pull into my driveway and honk, You'd better be delivering a package because you're sure as heck not picking anything up.
Rule 2.
You do not touch my daughter in front of me.
You may glance at her so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck.
If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off my daughter's body, I will remove them.
Rule 3.
I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips.
Please don't take this as an insult.
But you and all of your friends are complete idiots.
Still, I want to be fair and open-minded about the issue, so I propose this compromise.
You may come to the door with your underwear showing and your pants ten sizes too big, and I will not object.
However, in order to assure that your clothes do not, in fact, come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my electric staple gun and fasten your trousers securely in place around your waist.
Well, Four, I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, sex without utilizing a barrier method of some kind can kill you.
Let me elaborate.
When it comes to sex, I am the barrier, and I will kill you.
In order for us to get to know each other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the day.
Please do not do this.
The only information I require from you is an indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my house.
And the only word I need from you on this subject is, early.
Rule six.
I have no doubt that you are a popular fellow with many opportunities to date other girls.
This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my daughter.
Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you.
If you make her cry, I will make you cry.
There's a couple of more rules.
Two more, I think.
I'll get to those after the break.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
have or my daughters. I couldn't.
I can't.
We. Any.
It's only more than I'm singing, yeah.
I'm in you, you're in me.
I'm in you, you're in me.
Cause you gave me the love, love that I never had.
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Let's see, where was I?
Rule 7, right?
Those were the six rules, but there are actually rule seven.
About dating my daughter.
As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear, and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget.
If you want to be on time for the movie, you shouldn't be dating.
My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process that can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge.
Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something useful like changing the oil in my car?
And then finally, Rule 8.
The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter.
Places where there are bed sofas or anything softer than a wooden stool.
Places lacking parents, policemen, or nuns.
Places where there is darkness.
Places where there is dancing, holding hands, or happiness.
Places where the ambient temperature is warm enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff t-shirts, or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose down parka zipped to the chin.
Movies with a strong romantic or sexual theme are to be avoided.
Movies which feature chainsaws, however, are okay.
Hockey games are okay.
My daughter claims it embarrasses her to come downstairs and find me attempting to get her date to recite these eight simple rules from memory.
I'd be embarrassed, too.
There are only eight of them, for crying out loud, and for the record, I did not suggest to even one of these cretins that I would have these rules tattooed on their arm if he couldn't remember them.
I checked into it and the cost is prohibitive.
I merely told him that I thought that writing rules on his arm with a ballpoint pen might be, ink washes off after all, and that my wood-burning set was probably a better alternative.
One time when my wife caught me having one of my daughter's would-be suitors practice pulling into the driveway, getting out of the car, going up to knock on the front door, He had violated rule number one, so I figured he needed to run through the drill a few dozen times.
She asked me why I was being so hard on the boy.
Don't you remember being that age?
She challenged, of course I remember.
Why do you think I came up with the eight simple rules?
By the way, we have got a really, really, really, really cool photo for you to see.
If you'll go to my website, We've got a link to it, and it's called, Why Did the Salmon Cross the Road?
And here is, here's this salmon, this monster of a salmon, crossing the road.
Now, there's been a little bit of flooding going on.
It says, a male chum salmon tries to get across the Skomish Valley Road to re-enter the Skomish River and continue its journey to the salmon hatchery upstream.
The fish And the others along the side of the road seem to wait for the wake of a passing vehicle to make their dash across the road.
And this was a photograph taken by a Seattle photographer for the newspaper there.
And so we've got a link to the page, Seattle Times.
Harley Solt, S-O-L-T-E-S, took the photograph.
And it's amazing!
God, it's amazing!
Here are all these salmon waiting on the side of the road in some standing water.
For their shot to cross the road and here this guy has taken his shot as a car is coming down the street And this is one big mama of a salmon So they cross roads to get in streams, and we've got the the photograph to prove it now How do you get the photograph everybody's going to ask me?
It's really a cool photo You go to my website artbell.com You click on What's New, and then you make your cursor go up instead of down.
When it goes up, you go to News, News and Other Websites, and it is the first listed link.
Why did the salmon cross the road?
It's worth seeing.
I mean, it's an amazing, amazing photograph.
Absolutely amazing.
This fish is just wiggling his way across the road.
I wouldn't believe this unless I'd seen it for myself, and there's a whole line of them waiting their chance to go across.
God, amazing!
All right, back to open lines.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
It's great to talk to you.
It's Jeff in White Plains, New York.
Oh, welcome.
Okay, I just wanted to say that listening to your program has made three years of law school evenings go by quite nicely.
You're going to be a lawyer, huh?
Well, an environmental lawyer trying to protect the nation's treasures out there.
So you're going to be a poor lawyer?
Extremely, extremely poor but hopefully happy.
Good for you.
Mike, my question is regarding shadow people and I've been involved in investigating people sightings of ghosts for some time, about five years I've been involved with some organizations here on the East Coast and what I've come across, I wonder what you think about it, is that It seems that some of the top theories are revolving around what ghosts actually are, are that they're actually imprints of energy on particular areas.
That's what we spent most of last night talking about.
Did you catch this?
I'm sorry, I didn't catch last night.
Oh my god, that was exactly what we were talking about.
What a ghost, the definition of a ghost is, an imprint or an actual consciousness, and the answer would appear to be Both.
Correct.
That's right.
That's as far as I believe.
I think there's two categories and I think the shadow people might be an extension of that first category of an energy imprint because like a photograph, there can be that negative image and created something like, you know, the dark shade.
Wait a minute.
Hold on.
Okay.
Hold on.
Too many people called me, sir, and I've had now thousands of emails and hundreds of calls about this, and too many people have said, when confronted, when somebody sees a shadow person straight on, two things happen.
One, they appear startled, and two, they take off like a bat out of hell.
Well, that changes everything then.
Yeah, it would seem to.
Yeah, they're certainly one of the most frightening people that I've heard.
I've collected many stories and spoken to many people, and these shadow people seem to scare people more so than any other specter or paranormal experience.
Well, and there are so many of them.
One has to wonder what percentage of us might become shadow people.
Yes.
In our time after here on Earth.
I don't know if that's the way I want to spend my time, but... I very much appreciate your call, sir.
Okay, thanks a lot.
You see, it does change everything.
It indicates there's some sort of a consciousness, some sort of intelligence to be recognized and then to flee requires... Well, you know what it requires.
It says a lot.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Yeah, good morning, Art.
How are you?
I'm okay, sir.
Where are you?
I'm in Wilmington, Delaware, enjoying this wonderful tropical weather.
Yeah, I hear it is rather unusually balmy, huh?
Yes, indeed.
I've been out in the garden quite a bit today.
Well, you know, if our weather really is profoundly changing, sir, people like yourself in normally cold places really are going to, for a little while, in the short term, they're going to love it.
Right.
I'm with you on it.
I met you in New York at the book signing.
Oh, in New York City, yes.
I met you and your wife in Whitley and it was just great.
I got a couple books signed, took a lot of pictures, sent you a few pictures, so that was kind of nice.
Thank you.
You're very welcome.
I had a couple interesting experiences.
I've had a lot of them.
I'm a registered nurse.
I work at night, long-term care, helping people at the end of their life.
I've got plenty more I might have to send them to you.
Let me tell you a couple of things that have happened recently.
Being on the East Coast and so close to D.C.
and New York, I've had the opportunity to pass both sites.
The first one was the Pentagon and that was pretty amazing, just amazing.
And one of the things that happened, being kind of lost because of The way the traffic is rerouted.
I happened to pull off into what I thought would be a service road and it was blocked off by a guard shack.
And immediately, my wife and I, immediately there was a big black sedan and a big black car immediately on our tails.
It was very frightening.
Now the scary thing about the whole thing is Just before we left home in Wilmington, we got on 95, had a major gas leak.
Our fuel line had disconnected, and after we settled down after our close encounter with our fearless government, we kind of thought how terrible it would have been if the gas line had come apart at that moment.
That's not something that we want to have happen.
And then I took my wife and I were in New York.
We had to be up there.
We had a friend that we lost in the towers.
I don't want to cause you to think thoughts you haven't thought otherwise.
However, has it occurred to you that there could be any relationship at all between your encounter with the we'll call them the men in black and your broken gas line?
Well, they would have had to know that we were on our way down there.
But yeah, anything's possible.
Anything's possible.
Now, in New York, that was, I just, you know, the smell, the sense of the spirit, the spirit in the whole area is, it's just, you can't put it into words.
It is one of the saddest experiences I've ever had in my life.
Yeah, I took photographs.
You know the camera that I had, it can really get in there, and I took a couple hundred photographs, and out of all those photographs, with a 20-power lens, I saw one object that was recognizable, and it looked like either a desk or a tabletop.
All right, well, do me a favor, if you would, please, thank you, and send some of those photographs as well, as well as any of the earlier ones you have.
I would really appreciate that.
Oh, yes, I know.
We have a set of exclusive Ground Zero photographs up on the website that are astounding.
Simply astounding.
The whole thing is astounding and I suppose this event is going to be imprinted on the American psyche the way Pearl Harbor was.
It's certainly, it's going to be in that category and it's happened in your lifetime and succeeding generations will speak of this As we now speak of Pearl Harbor, no question about it.
It was the day America changed.
Forever.
You know, nothing is ever going to be the same.
Uh, East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
This is Barb from Meadville, Pennsylvania.
Yes, Barb.
Uh, about David Blaine?
Um, the, uh, the man who... The magician?
Yes, mm-hmm.
Uh, he is amazing.
No, no, no.
Dear lady, I must ask you.
Did you see him do this?
Yeah.
Alright, here's why I'm asking.
Alright, this is really important.
Now, I've got a guy on my website who sent a video.
I don't know whether you saw it, but he simulates what Blaine did, or what he thinks Blaine did.
And by God, it looks like he's levitating now.
To me, it is kind of a giveaway the way he's standing, but if you were really an eyewitness to David Blaine's levitation... Right out on the street in broad daylight.
And you're absolutely certain that one toe was not touching the ground?
Are you sure?
Both of his feet, his entire feet, was off the ground.
You're sure?
You had a view that allowed you to see the front of his... We all did, yeah.
All of us in the group did.
See, that's why I'm so interested.
But the trick he did on me, I have spent so much time trying to figure out how he did that, and I cannot.
I cannot.
And what was it he did?
Well, he does street magic.
Right.
It's always in broad daylight and all he has with him is a camera man.
He stood two feet away from me and I was with two women in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
He walked down the street and I knew who he was.
Because I've watched programs about him before, and I recognize him.
Alright, so what did he do?
He walked up to us and, you know, Can I do something with you?
And my one friend, she was going to say no.
And I said, of course you can.
Sounds like a pickup line.
Yeah, right.
And so he picked me.
He honed in on me.
And he said, do you have a piece of paper and a pen?
And I said, sure.
And I fished it out of my purse.
And he said, would you write your name on the paper, please?
So I did.
And he tells you not to let him see it.
Right.
And I wrote my name, and he says, will you hand it to me?
And I did.
Now, he touched my hand, and I touched his.
Right.
But I was no more than two feet away from him.
And he held it in his hand, and he put his hand down, and I was watching his hand the whole time.
Uh, to see what was, uh, how he was going to do this.
And, uh, he says, do you know where the paper is now?
And I said, no.
And he says, uh, will you check your shoe?
What?
Your shoe?
Will you take off your shoe and look inside of it?
Yes.
I didn't, I did not have my shoe off while he was standing there.
Oh, I understand.
And I, I, I had loafers on and I slipped my shoe off.
And there was a piece of paper inside of it and I picked it up and it was my name in my handwriting.
And I don't know how he... Now, during all the time from the point where he received this piece of paper from you... He didn't bend down.
That's what I was going to ask.
And I didn't bend down.
And now all your five senses tell you that this is impossible.
And yet your common sense says he had to have done it somehow.
Yeah.
And it was my handwriting, and that was inside my shoe, and my foot was pressing down on my shoe all the time.
I don't know how it got in.
He's amazing.
You don't want to see another magician.
Maybe it was magic.
Look, there's always going to be people out there... There's no such thing as real magic.
How do you know that?
It's all illusionism, but I don't know how.
But how do you know that for sure, ma'am?
Oh, I know.
I'm a realist.
I'm in my right mind, Art.
Oh, ma'am.
I'm not five years old anymore.
No, there is real magic, though.
It's not that most magicians are just that.
They're magicians, illusionists, and he may be, too, for all I know.
And I did see him levitate.
Well, then how can you say there's not magic?
And... No, wait, wait!
Answer that!
If you... The first thing I thought of... Hold it, hold it, hold it!
You just said you saw him levitate, and you said it without question, and I asked you, are you sure you had a view of both feet?
Now, if that isn't magic, what is it?
And the first thing I thought of was air.
Yeah, air beneath his feet.
He's using little air jets or something inside his trousers, and there's no sound.
I don't think so.
So you don't hear air hissing?
I don't think so, ma'am.
Magic, magic, magic.
No, no, no.
Well, alright, alright, so in other words, this lady saw it with her own eyes, right?
I'm only questioning what she told me.
She told me Without equivocation, this man levitated.
She knew it.
She saw it.
But, oh, there's no such thing as magic.
Well, if he really levitated, then there is, too, magic, right?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
This is Diane from Loomis, California.
Hi, Diane.
Hi, and I'm listening to you on Talk 650 in Sacramento.
Um, quite a while ago I guess you talked about how some people were having memories that possibly Nelson Mandela had passed away when he was in prison.
You bet, and memories of other things that never, well that as far as we know, historically never actually happened.
Okay, well when I heard the Nelson Mandela part, I said, you know what?
That does sort of sound familiar, but today I had the same exact feeling come over me.
I was watching, I think it was Access Hollywood or Extra, I can't remember which one it was, and they were talking about Robert Duvall's new movie.
And I said, I thought he died.
And I remember watching a special about him And it was showing all of his different roles, and I remember saying to my fiancé, oh, that was my favorite role when he played an apostle, because I thought that was really awesome.
But I swear I remember... Well, here's the thing, ma'am.
Here's the thing.
If time travel is real, most of those who say it would be possible say that if an event were changed, the world would continue.
There'd be another little bubble created, and everything would continue down a completely different road, and that there would be as many of these alternate universes created as there had been tamperings with time, so...
I remember Dr. Cocker saying that.
There you are.
But still, you might have a vague remembrance of what really did happen in another timeline.
Listen, I've got to go.
We're going to be talking with Dan Aykroyd here.
Cool.
Thanks, Art.
Bye-bye.
Thank you.
Dan Aykroyd and David Sirita coming up next on Coast to Coast AM.
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It is indeed.
David Sirita and Dan Aykroyd are here, and they'll be here in a moment.
David Sirita, last time he was on the show...
We had a magnetic anomaly occur that took out all land-based microwave and satellite signals, including my satellite signal, the one that goes to the network.
It is the second time in the history of this program that ever happened.
Something took us out, and I think intentionally.
David Sirita, born in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, was first introduced to meditation by his dad, Dr. Lynn Sirita.
Psychology, UC Berkeley, when he was 13 years old, began a deep and lasting quest to find God and the answers to many of life's most perplexing questions.
He's met and studied with many Hindu, Buddhist, Native American, and Christian teachers while maintaining a daily meditation practice for 17 years.
David worked mainly as an environmentalist, has planted over 900,000 trees, wow, in British Columbia, Canada, helped to clean up oil spills, direct the LA-based Tesla Foundation, Which prompted scientific discoveries for a better environment.
President of the Green and Blue Corporation, trying to bring eco-technology projects to private investors and corporations.
President of High Energy Micro Devices, a small company developing leading-edge technology for the detection of buried landmines.
You know who Dan Aykroyd is, right?
For over two decades, Dan has brought his brilliant comedic Dramatic style to films and TV, born on July 1st, 1952 in Ottawa, Canada.
Aykroyd had four years of undergraduate study at Carleton University in Ottawa in the fields of psychology, political science, and criminal sociology.
In addition to those pursuits, he was also active in the university's Sock and Buskin Drama Guild.
In 72, he went into show business.
You know what he's done.
75, Saturday Night Live.
Dan helped to forever change the face of TV, forming the Blues Brothers Band with John Belushi.
The two recorded their big-hit briefcase full of blues album in 79, starring in the hit comedy feature, The Blues Brothers, and embarked on a live 10-day tour.
And the Made in America live album, of course, duo, also appeared in Steven Spielberg's 1941.
And Neighbors.
Remember the movie Neighbors?
Ackroyd's screen acting career has included starring roles in Trading Places, opposite Eddie Murphy, Ghostbusters 2, in which he also originated, by the way, and co-wrote, Spies Like Us, again, an originator and co-writer, Dragnet, co-writer, and Coneheads.
Coneheads Is one of my wife's favorite movies of all time.
She watches it over and over and over and over.
Other films, credits, you know them.
Doctor Detroit, The Couch Trip, The Great Outdoors, My Stepmother is an Alien, Loose Cannons, My Girl 2, North Exit, Eden, Tommy Rowe, and Rainbow.
With guest star appearances in Into the Night, Twilight Zone, the movie, and Candy Shack 2, of course.
Great movie.
In 1986, Aykroyd produced the feature film One More Saturday Night for home video and cable markets, and you might be asking, why is Dan here tonight?
In a moment, you'll find out.
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Well, alright, David Cerrito, are you there?
Yes I am, Art.
David, welcome back to the program.
Thanks for having me back, Art.
You bet, and thank you for... By the way, the last time you were on, David, that was easily the second strangest thing that has ever happened on this program, and I personally believe it was intentional.
Well, you mentioned the following couple of nights that there could have been an NSA national security connection.
And in that letter that you read, it stated that these scientists that I had been speaking to at NASA, that I personally know quite well, would never be speaking to me so openly in the future.
So I decided to test that theory.
And?
And I contacted Dr. Knuth at NASA, and many of the other scientists at NASA, and really asked them a very simple question.
Nothing really about UFOs, just a very simple question.
And they ignored me.
I didn't get one answer.
And normally my answers come within 24 hours.
Yes.
And even a month later, none of five scientists that I wrote ever spoke to me again.
So that made me very, very suspicious.
Well, you have brought with you Dan Aykroyd.
Dan, welcome to the program.
Hi, Art.
Thanks very much.
God, it's great to have you.
Wonderful to be on.
Of course, I'm an avid listener.
Driving across country, through the desert, through the great southwest of America, listening to your program is one of the peak experiences of life.
That is the way to do it.
At night, it's dark, you're on a road without many other cars, and this kind of program will get right inside you.
It's really wonderful.
I've had people with me, and we've been wrapped and just gripped for the hour or two that we've been able to receive you.
You're going to be doing a program kind of like this, aren't you?
Well, one can never do a program of the scope and quality of the Art Bell Show in any medium, I don't think.
Very kind.
However, I am attempting to catalog on video on the Sci-Fi Channel.
Treat with, you know, the proper degree of respect and humor and perhaps skepticism.
Some of the theories that have been put forth and that will be put out there, which is the name of the show, by the leading experts in the fields which I've been interested in, I guess, since being a teenager and being exposed to my father's and my family's interest in supernatural and paranormal occurrences.
Now, this ranges from Healers to the apparition at Fatima, to religious rapture, to spontaneous combustion, all of the things are basically that interest us.
As folkloric inquirers, I'm not a scientist, and I'll never say I am, but I am an entertainer, and it is entertaining, and I am a folkloric researcher, and so under that Sort of umbrella, I think I'm going to be able to make some very interesting inquiries and have really fascinating guests on, and hopefully open up to get some answers and maybe look where we're going in the future as a species, as a body of spirits, and point to maybe the fact that there will be some positive revelation that will affect mankind in a
In a good sense, and God knows we need it today.
So you'll probably touch base with the number of guests I've had on the program?
No doubt, of course.
And we'll get them on camera there, and I will attempt to open up to the sci-fi audience, which I imagine, you know, if it's about 700,000 people, we estimate, you know, given their current ratings, some of these ideas.
And hopefully expose some of these people too, for commercial purposes, so they can sell their tapes and books and get a living out of the way that they've devoted their lives, like Stephen Greer and Linda Bolton Howe.
You know, they've devoted their lives to this.
They sure have.
They should be compensated for their efforts and for their continuing research, and I'm happy to plug Stuff like that.
All right.
Before we dive in anything pretty, and we've got a lot of serious stuff to dive into, the one question I really do have for you is, when you made Ghostbusters 2, did you have a lot of fun?
Was that fun?
I had a lot.
Well, I made both, one and two, with Bill Murray and Harold Ramis.
It was brilliant, brilliant.
You know, he's into Velikovsky.
And those guys and you know he knows he can talk about Madame Blavatsky and the false spiritualists.
I mean he's brilliant.
And then Billy, a brilliant comedian.
Ivan, a great director.
Myself, we were this pool of talent that came together at a very special time.
I mean I know it's work, it's work, but at the same time it really did look like you must have had a lot of fun doing it.
I always have fun when I work with those guys and Murray and Ramos.
It was really great.
You know, took over New York, or a good part of it for that, and then we built on the Columbia Soundstage in the valley there, perhaps one of the biggest sets that have ever been constructed.
We had the whole, full, full soundstage for the top of the building in the first movie, and it was great to have their resources behind us, and to, you know, just to come to work and see that Anything you write can be created if you have enough labor time and money.
You don't see the terror dogs there and, you know, the Slimer model and Mr. Stay Puft.
They had a small person walking down Broadway.
He was about four foot tall and they had a scale model of Broadway.
There, you know, these were just wonderful days.
When you were, you know, it must be hard, and here's the other thing I wanted to always ask about.
When you were firing your weapons, and you did that many times at various apparitions, obviously, when you made the movie, you had to sit there firing the weapon without anything really coming out of it.
How do you learn to do that?
Well, like, you know, actors can They can pretend and believe that there's some kind of an entrapment particle beam coming out of the instrument, but for most of it, Ivan would just, you know, if there was an apparition we were pointing at, he'd be up on a stepladder way up high with a grip spotting him, and he'd be waving a pipe blade at us.
That's your apparition.
Yeah, that was, you know.
Of course, it takes direction, too.
He's going to say, you know, You're slack-jawed, you laugh, you're nervous, you're scared.
You know, he would be basically talking us through all the emotions and then he picks it later in editing so that the most genuine reactions are used.
And how cool is it later to see the finished product and see how right it all was?
Well, it's a miracle how movies get made.
It is.
You have 150 people coming together for three months, all of different trades.
It's still a business that hasn't changed since 1928, since sound came in, because you have the picture recorded separately, and then the sound recorded separately, and it's all married later.
That still hasn't changed.
The lighting essentially hasn't changed.
There's new types of lights and trucks and that.
But basically, it's the same technologically, really, except there's video assist now, and editing is done on video.
But the way a movie's shot is essentially the same.
As it is in 1928, you have this primitive system.
You have, you know, still, I believe, negatives sometimes are being cut by a negative cutter with white gloves.
You know, and you have all these different trades contributing.
It takes a long time.
You have a star actor working for a week or two, and then that actor might go away for a week and come back.
You know, you hope nothing happens to them.
It's amazing how these films have come together.
I've been gratified to have worked with the best people in my career.
My success is due to the people I've worked with.
It's always great when you sit in that screening room or with an audience even better.
All the jokes are working and all the moments are working.
It's the peak of creativity and satisfaction as an artist.
You really know when you're on, don't you?
You hope you know when you're shooting it.
Depending on how it's been executed, if everybody has the same vision, all those moments connect.
Yeah, but you can feel it.
When it's clicking, you can absolutely feel it.
You feel it in an audience.
Yeah, I mean, the personal experience of really feeling a performance click is when, like, doing music, you know?
You come out there, and you rip into a song, and then the audience is up on their feet, and they're there till the end of the concert, and Jimmy Belushi and I have been doing that quite a bit.
Across country for various corporate, private, charitable events.
So that immediate feedback?
Yeah, that's really great.
It's harder to do, harder to tell in a movie.
Frequently, it does connect.
Well, Laurie, somehow you got involved in the serious side of this.
You met, I don't know how you met David.
In fact, you might tell me how you met David and maybe that will explain how you got involved.
I don't know.
We met through a mutual friend in L.A. who is doing a really interesting documentary
cataloging all of the spiritual tribal elders in North America, the native elders who are
left getting their wisdom, getting their images and visages on camera.
And she is a native Canadian, an aboriginal Canadian, from one of the tribal bands up there.
David, is that, not the Denny.
It's the Stolo.
Stolo.
Stolo, yes.
And so David is a colleague of hers and I guess we met just to kind of hang out in L.A.
at the House of Blues and she told me that David had some interest in subjects that I was interested in and then we got to sitting down and of course shared all the common references about UFOs and And UAPs, among other things, David is very, I would say,
spiritually advanced, very healthy, and I need some of his DNA.
I once did a program, by the way, Dan, if you're on a portable phone, you need to be...
I'm not, actually.
I'm on the landline here.
Oh, okay.
I'm hearing a little... I know.
I'm not sure what that is.
I hope it's not on my end here.
That could be on my end.
I'm sitting next to a computer here.
Maybe I should turn it off.
Turn it off, yeah.
Okay.
Why not?
Give it a try.
Listen, I did a program.
It was very arduous.
I had a number of Hopi elders on the program, and it had to be translated, so that made it kind of arduous to listen to.
However, What they had to say, oh my God, what they had to say was a little worrisome.
They said they would normally never speak in public, they would never come on the air.
However, times were so urgent and time is so short that they felt compelled to come on.
And I wonder what you have heard from other elders, either one of you.
Working with Ms.
Shawn Muscle on the Native Elder City Library Archives, which is how Dan and I had met, basically, the idea of the project is that Native elders transmitted most of their spiritual knowledge in oral teachings.
They didn't really write things down.
And today, there are very few elders alive who really have kept an accurate record of ancient teachings.
Right.
And a lot of the very sacred elders are passing away And a lot of the younger generations are getting so distracted by the modern world and a lot of the difficulties in modern life.
They're not spending the quality time they used to spend with their elders.
Yes.
And the idea of her project is to video archive the elders' words and oral teachings at great length, not like a normal documentary film, but at great length, and preserve them in a video library so that future generations can learn from them of all nationalities.
Did they In listening to all of that, though, did they have anything to say on a large, worldwide scale that you found either interesting or worrisome?
Well, extremely interesting.
I mean, the Hopi Indians are so advanced in their ability to store and accurately transfer ancient knowledge for so many generations.
I mean, they basically tell us, as we have been told by Robert Ghostwolf, We're now in the fourth world.
We've done this four times.
We've reached the same peak of civilization and technology.
And three times in a row, we chose the wrong road.
And because we chose not to live in harmony with nature, the Earth, in a sense, had to protect itself and temporarily destroy mankind, humankind.
And those elders would receive visions, just kind of like the same way Noah received a vision of God.
And they would preserve the people and hide in the high mesas in the mountains.
And many other tribes have the same type of stories.
And then the world would go through another great cycle.
The Hindus also say the exact same thing.
In fact, there's a lot of evidence now when we consider the discovery of Atlantis and the new story about what was discovered off the coast of Miami.
Oh my God, what a story that is!
Yeah, we're seeing evidence of what the Hopi elders were saying.
It's not just a myth anymore.
Also in India they have discovered a site and I can't quote the exact location but they found a city that is covered by two or three inches of radioactive ash that's over 12,000 years old and we wonder how could An area that large be surrounded by a radioactive layer of
ash 12,000 years old The only answer would be a nuclear explosion and we go into
the Mahabharata and the the Hindu Bhagavad-Gita We learn of a war that was very similar to Armageddon
5000 BC five thousand years ago or five thousand BC do do both of you think that the human race could handle?
Understanding that others have been here With almost virtually all of the evidence of their
existence almost erased almost not quite erased Do you think the human race could understand and grasp the fact that it's not as we have believed it to be all our lives?
I think a lot of people could.
I think people need to see evidence.
And some couldn't.
And some couldn't, absolutely couldn't.
You know, now we found evidence of the Great Flood of the time of Noah, and we're now finding evidence of Atlantis.
So the story is starting to unfold as we get closer to yet that same turning point that the Hopi elders spoke of, and I think that is why at this time in history there are so many sightings of ufo's and and and what may
possibly be actually or ancient god and goddesses from other stars there there
is an interesting thought hold it right there will be right back
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Dan Aykroyd, David Sirita are here.
We're going to talk of all sorts of things.
Yes, if you never heard that show with the Hobie Indians, we'll try and get it repeated one of these days.
It was Absolutely awesome.
Only word I could use.
Awesome.
Really was that.
And if you heard it, you will never, ever forget it.
Until your last day, and maybe not even then.
Stay right where you are.
All right, Dan Aykroyd, David Sirita, both back.
Dan, let me ask you a question.
You are going to do a new show called Out There, but you did do one called The Psy Factor, and a lot of people... I've got a little computer next to me, and they can send me messages during the show, and a lot of people are asking about Psy Factor.
They loved it.
Well, to address your first question about the human race being ready for revelations... Yes.
I would say that 50% is ready, half is ready.
That's not enough?
No, but the other half has to be introduced to such stuff, and I guess that's why... You're doing it.
We do this, you know?
And Psi Factor was the outgrowth of case files that my brother and I found Which was the property of a technology company which was formed to specifically develop, perhaps develop hardware and software out of the field of supernatural exploration and out of it came some incredible studies and some incredible cases that were, when I read them, they read so genuinely that I actually went and
Went to Syndicated TV with them.
The first year of Psy Factor, we stayed right with the cases.
There was the case of, you know, this growing black void in a corner of a guy's house and, you know, it just kept eating.
It was in Argentina.
It kept eating and eating and eating everything in sight and finally they found a connection between that and a black void in a container ship in China.
Really?
You know, they sent a paperclip through.
Uh, so here we had an Einstein Rosen bridge or a wormhole or something and it was... You're telling me they sent a paperclip from China?
From this place in Argentina, yes.
Argentina?
Threw into this container.
That's the way the original case read.
Now we had to change it in our story.
You know, dramatization and all that.
The first year of Sci-Factor was really, really great.
The second year, we had to develop the characters.
The third year, people were falling in love with the characters.
Therefore, we had to make some of the cases more revolve around the characters at the risk and the peril of Not being as accurate as we were in the first year.
Did you begin to grieve at that?
I did.
I was disappointed, but I understood that to have a success in television, you've got to follow what the audience wants.
That's right.
And still, we did get into some interesting topics, and at least we were there trying to address some of these things.
I'd love to take those case files and maybe do a couple of feature films.
There were some incredible stories that We're broken down along the criteria of, you know, is it a hoax?
Is it a climatological event?
Is there something real going on here that's an anomaly, a mystery, or can it be explained through real physical empirical terms?
And that's why I went into it now.
Subsequently, I am the recipient of the Stuffed Candle Award.
You've heard of that.
I have it, too.
I know.
Signed by Steve Allen.
And, you know, that's good, because when people ask me about the paranormal and supernatural, I say, well, it's really wonderful and it's entertaining and it's great and it's where inquiry ought to be going, but look at all the things that are happening in legitimate science in terms of genetics and electronics and Healing and medicine and astrophysics, quantum physics, you know, particle physics, all of these are where the keys to the supernatural and paranormal are.
So if you want to be in that for life, you know, go and be a, you know, go and study quantum foam and that'll, that'll give you, start to give you... There you are.
My, my snuff candle award is up next to my FCC licenses, my Marconi award nominations, all the important stuff.
It's really important to me.
I'm proud of it.
Well, it's just maybe there's a threat there in terms of, you know, some conventional, uh, you know, views and, uh, you know, and that makes us recognize that there's, that, that some, some of what we talk about is, is threatening.
But really, uh, it keeps us in check a little bit because, you know, we can't get out there when we start to talk, you know, about Jersey devil and, uh, so spontaneous combustion, which I, I'm, I'm still sitting on the fence over.
I'm not quite sure.
Have you seen the photos of the doctor?
of father doctor you know that there was a doctor who spontaneously combusted
it is a probably the most famous case i i've had them on the website and uh...
he completely was consumed uh... his chair was consumed and
only a tiny spot on the floor not another lick of flame or fire anywhere
not a good not be totally inexplicable i have a
the fbi sort of says that the fat burns so so hot that it did consume itself and
there's nothing else to consume and uh... and then the fires out but
again this needs real physical this week's really don't scientific inquiry
Someone has to get interested.
We have to get someone who's an expert in adipose combustion, and I guess, you know, there's more to be studied there.
But Trifactor was fun, and we had four years in syndicated TV.
That was great.
And then the market completely dried up, and all of a sudden all these syndicators were producing Saturday morning programming for kids.
And our dollars dried up, but we still run on, I think, one of the Turner Networks, TBN, I think, or TBS.
And so, it all has a life.
By the way, are you familiar with Philip Corso?
Colonel Philip Corso?
I am.
Is he still alive?
He is not.
I had the honor of interviewing him three times, and his story was absolutely spectacular.
He did what you were talking about.
He had documents and he had actual artifacts from Roswell, which he parceled out, apparently, he said, Uh, on direction to private industry to, uh, to engineer some of this stuff, you know, like, uh, some of the major inventions we've got now, he claims, came from what he parceled out to private industry.
So you, you believe that has gone on?
Um, you know, I, I, I read Corso and it's, uh, I, I just don't know what, how we're benefiting from, from it today.
Certainly there's no propulsion system evident in conventional aircraft that even mimics some of these interdimensional machines that wink in and
out of our world, just like they're at the corner of 7th and 42. There's no propulsion.
He claims fiber optics, for example.
Fiber optics, perhaps. But the conventional science and scientific community was thinking
along these terms. The studies and research into photonics has been going on for a long
Oh, yes.
Certainly, you know, he's got the credentials, military man and all that.
Again, it bears inquiry and investigation.
I guess some of the cloaking, the stealth materials, maybe alloys, maybe, you know, graphite bonds, that type of thing.
Maybe there was some insight.
You know, there's a theory that as we all know in the abduction world about a hybrid program and about eggs and sperm being taken and about, you know, an intervention on a genetic level.
From afar, that happened in history many times, many, many years ago, centuries ago, eons ago, and so why not technology too?
How do you feel about our doing that?
We're taking cells from eggs and then a little hank of hair or a little scrape of skin and on the verge of creating a human being or a clone.
They're finding out that a lot of these cloned animals have strange growth, the lifespan is shorter.
That's right.
I don't think we're creating perfect replicas.
To me, well, human life is sacred.
I can't say that I'm a fan of abortion, but I do believe women have the right to choose.
I think that if you're harvesting, if you create a full being for the purpose of harvesting, well, obviously we're into a legal area here and a moral area that is that that that gets us into some reprehensibility it's not
not right to do that but uh... but i think where you you can maybe grow a
liver grow a heart grow scan that sounds good
i think that's good i really do i i i think that
part of what medicine should be should be about what do you think david
i mean is is for and the issue of abortion goes i mean that
that there's the it's so there's so many views about when the soul actually comes
Right.
And again, I've cross-sectioned religious studies.
Many Hindu masters believe it comes in somewhere around 31 days after conception.
So, prior to that, technically to a Hindu, there is no suffering.
There's no death upon terminating a life.
The idea in Catholicism is that It's murder.
That basically to kill an unborn infant is murder.
But in Catholicism they don't really have any philosophy or Christianity of when the soul actually is conceived in the body.
Most fundamentalist Christians believe the soul and the body are not separate and nor can they separate.
What do you believe David?
I think, I think Catholics, you know, believe that conception is when the, uh, you know, when the being comes into, uh, and, and... Yeah, at the moment of, oh, you mean at the moment of, sorry, at the moment of conception I think is mostly, I mean, that, that seems to be the Catholic and good Christian... Yeah, that, and that, and that would mean that you cannot abort.
So really the issue is whether there's suffering and whether, whether there's murder.
And, and again, when you cross-section religion, if you go to Buddhism and you go to Hinduism, you get different views.
Certainly, It's a very sensitive subject and I do believe from profound evidence from researchers like Zechariah Sitchin and other ancient gospels such as the Nag Hammadi Library that the new found book Gospels of Christ that were found in Egypt in 1945 reveal a much different story of the creation of the human species and it is possible just as we are now embarking on modifying DNA and improving DNA
In fact, there are scientists now who can actually stop aging in single cell tissues.
I believe a scientist named Dr. Michael West at the University of Dallas Southwest Medical Center years ago had discovered how to stop aging in single cell tissues.
Well, that's his company.
Yeah, and all this means that in the future we may, if we can reach the stars, if we can break the speed of light and start branching out into our universe, we become demigods.
We become co-creators in our universe.
And that has some very powerful implications, and I believe also, if you consider the size of the universe, that life may have actually originally seeded on Earth from other star systems, and that means we have grandfathers and grandmothers out there from other star systems that originally seeded life on this planet.
Well, if we can live forever, virtually, then we will get to the stars.
We will get to the stars, and I think our One of the things that's happened in this NASA UFO investigation is we are seeing a clear link from what appears to be a powerful case, and you can never be 100% certain, but what looks like a powerful case and a connection to a particular star system that represents
The foundations and the founding of the early civilizations on our planet.
And that's what we're about to get into, NASA.
Dan, did you see, have you seen a UFO?
Have you seen something that you absolutely, simply cannot explain?
Absolutely, yes.
Yes, I have.
I've heard that rumor.
What have you seen?
Well, I'd like to preface all of this by saying there's something very comforting in all of this to me, and that is that all of it, the multiverse, everything, These creatures, whether we are linked beyond to some interdimensional species or extraterrestrial species, all of it comes and was created by a god or a godhead or the cosmic engineer, a great divine being.
I believe that.
I'm not a fundamentalist.
I'm a lapsed Catholic, ex-altar boy, ex-seminarian, but I do believe that there is a divine presence behind all of it.
David, what do you think?
I mean, as part of my life's work, I've worked on the environment, I've worked in high technology, I've planted trees, but I've also, as Artis mentioned, I've spent 20 years under the influence of my father, who is a PhD in psychology from Berkeley, teaching me how to meditate since I was 13 years old.
And in meditation, you don't just look for a belief in God, you actually look for the direct experience.
And without going into massive detail, I've had experiences That have verified that for me that there is absolutely a supreme creator behind all this.
You're very lucky.
And whatever that creator might be, he certainly facilitated the technological advance that I was witness to, and that is that I was in Martha's Vineyard, I was asleep, and I woke up to go outside and basically take a leak off my stone terrace there, the house I have in one of the hills on the island, and I I stood up on the terrace and, you know, it was about 3 in the morning and I looked up and at about 100,000 feet, I'm sorry, I was about 50,000 feet up because I know it's 50,000 feet up because it's exactly the height that the Concorde makes that right turn to go to Europe and I've seen the Concorde do that at 50,000 feet from that very stone terrace.
Right.
I have an aeronautical.
A reference there, and I saw two glowing white disks side-by-side flying tandem or edge-to-edge or wing-to-wing or what have you, completely round, completely white and glowing, very luminous.
And they crossed from the south-east horizon right across the sky to the northwest end Oh, about 20 seconds.
And, you know, they were really, really moving, and this was not a helicopter, not Venus, not the North Star, not the kite formation.
Sure.
This, you know, and I called my wife out, and I called my friend Larry out, and I called his girlfriend out, and the four of us saw these discs go across.
Now, this is way high up, and they were little dots, you know, but they weren't a satellite.
It wasn't, you know, the Nortel satellite or whatever.
You know, the telephone satellite going across.
It wasn't the space shuttle.
It was something that was going really fast, probably 15,000 miles an hour.
Once you've seen something like that, you've actually seen it with your own eyes, and I have too, in two separate instances, life is never going to be quite the same, is it?
Well, it makes for, you know, exciting conversation and exciting sort of Reaffirmation of why we should go out at night and watch the skies and witness things in the heavens that are there naturally and perhaps unnaturally.
It was very exciting and of course to this day I relate that experience and still get a tingle thinking about the moment that I saw that.
And now I can turn to my wife and she can turn to me and when someone brings up this conversation After you saw this, did you debate with yourself and the others who saw it about public disclosure?
So we believe that there's something there, that some species that has this technological
ability.
After you saw this, did you debate with yourself and the others who saw it about public disclosure?
Whether we should publicly disclose?
That's right.
Well, at that point, you know, they were so high up, it wasn't as if they were disturbing
air traffic and they weren't a threat, they weren't a harm also.
Oh, no, I just meant going to the public in whatever venue and admitting that you have seen something that is... Well, probably at that time I didn't really have an arena to do it.
I didn't really have a voice.
I should have called your show and gone on, I guess.
I just didn't have an outlet to really discuss it, but of course, I've talked about it with many people.
I have a friend who you should have on your show, and I shouldn't mention his name on the air, but afterwards I'll give it to you and you can contact him.
He's a very famous director and writer, and he had a vivid UFO experience in the 70s.
So seeing him, we swapped our stories, and that was recently within the last couple of years.
So it's just great to have a real point of reference and say, hey, I've shared something like this.
Well, there is a certain danger, of course, in going public and saying this sort of thing.
And I thought pretty hard about it, even though I do this kind of program.
When I saw it, and I had a close-in experience, 150 feet above my head, a triangle soundlessly passing over myself and my wife.
Yeah.
Gigantic thing.
Stars went away.
Moon went away.
Almost close encounters, you know?
Right.
And I thought really hard before I went on the air, and I dragged my poor wife on to be my witness.
Yeah.
Kind of hard about it, because people have sort of an attitude, although that is now changing.
It is changing, and you know, there's a tremendous document, the Rockefeller Report.
Oh yes.
And you know, of all the anecdotes.
I mean, that's a first-hand reference right there.
And you know, Stephen Greer's work.
And all of that, I think, is going to open things up.
There's so many people in... Have you met Stephen Greer?
I haven't.
I hope to get him on my show.
He's an amazing man.
Just amazing.
And absolutely driven.
Driven is the only word you can use to describe Stephen Greer.
You know, Ronald Reagan said he saw one in his Beechcraft airplane coming from Sacramento to L.A.
That's right.
And also, Jimmy Carter spoke of it and reported it to NICAP.
You know, you have many, many people claiming that this is part of their... Well, if they're really there, NASA would certainly have plenty of experience with them.
And when we come back, I want to talk to you, too, about things that I know you've seen, NASA footage you've seen, and NASA footage I've seen, for which there is no logical explanation.
Both of you, hold on, we'll be right back.
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And we're talking about the stuff we usually talk about here.
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Once again, Dan Aykroyd and David Sirita, and just one last question, Dan, before we blast into NASA for a second.
Do you believe, flat out question, blunt question, do you believe we're being visited by extraterrestrials?
I do.
I believe that, why, extradimensionals, extraterrestrials, I believe that we're being visited by beings in possession of a superior, advanced, futuristic technology that enables them to Wink in and out of, uh, beyond the fourth dimension that we, uh, we perceive every day and, uh, possibly bend gravity, uh, to, um, to skip through time.
And, uh, David's book has an extraordinary theory about how this would be technically and scientifically possible.
There was a British defense ministry spokesman.
I forget his name.
Um, I don't know.
Nick Pope would know about him.
But he was a guy in the 50 Lord something, you know, from the Ministry of Defense.
He said, postulated that we are being visited by as many as 23 different species, and that it's been going on since the beginning of recorded time.
And certainly, people say, where's the proof, Dan?
Where's the evidence?
Well, you know, there's paintings, there's now photos, there's an extraordinary amount of videotape now.
That you can get, and you know those things on videotape that's not helicopters, it's not the moon, it's these machines.
Now is it us in the future coming back to re-engineer our DNA to make us in the future stronger?
Or is it a foreign species in a foreign star system, and I think that David This book presents very plausible and believable and compelling evidence that we are being visited by a benevolent and beneficent species that really cares about us and our environment.
Well, they must or we'd already be gone.
They certainly would have the power if they can do what they're doing, whether it's traverse, you know, dimensions or traverse the amount of space required to get here.
They could instantly get rid of us if they really wanted to.
So the question is, what are they doing?
Observing?
This is for either one of you.
Do you think they're observing?
Do you think they will step in at some point if we're about to wink ourselves out?
Or why have they not contacted us after all?
Well, they, you know, they're abducting, some species are abducting people all the time.
Yeah, I know.
And so that's a contact, it's not a, it is kind of a positive contact.
Many of these abductees, and I've been in a room with them, you say, would you want to be visited again and taken again?
And, you know, three quarters of their hands go up, yes.
I know.
They don't feel as invasive.
They've been giving, They've been given knowledge, they've been given information, they've been given an insight into why the particular species of being that abducted them came to do so.
But the species written about in David's book, first of all, let me, David, let's just put an image in the listeners out there.
Tell us, describe to me, and tell Arden and I, what is a dropa stone?
What does it look like, and what is its significance in world culture?
Okay, first of all, a Chinese professor named Chai Pute in 1938 led an archaeology team of Tibetan and Chinese archaeologists into the high mounds of Bayan-Kara-Ula on the Tibetan-Chinese border, and that's 1938.
They found the skeletal remains of what appeared to be tiny people with large bulbous heads.
In a grave site with interlocking caves.
And that's an image I think that stands out in everybody's mind.
And where was that again?
That's on the border of Tibet and China in the mountains of Bayankara, Ula.
Professor Chai Pute in 1938.
Now then, when they go through the grave site, they find these round stones.
Round disks.
They're quite large.
Maybe two feet in diameter, roughly.
They find 716 of them.
They're round, they have a hole in the center, a notch.
Many of them have a notch cut out of the side and they have a spiraling groove of closely written characters, not unlike hieroglyphics, that actually were later translated.
Like a lifesaver with a notch out of it.
Exactly.
And so what does this mean?
We know that ancient civilizations and ancient peoples recorded History in stone.
That's how a lot of the ancient peoples recorded their history, the same way we record things in paper and in computers today.
So what did it mean?
And basically what happened is that there were two answers that came.
One, another Chinese professor in 1962, Dr. Sum Omnui, actually translated the characters in the Drop of Stone And when he was about to publish his findings at the university, he was banished from the university for what he was about to state publicly.
And what was that?
What was he going to say?
He was going to say that the translation revealed that these round disks were emulations of giant spacecraft that crash-landed in these mountains 12,000 years ago and actually described This burning disk... These were replicas, like miniature replicas of... Right.
They were miniature replicas of the craft that came crash-landing into the mountains and then they found these small people from another star system.
And then the answer was, okay, where were the people from?
I mean, there's not a lot written of them other than the fact that they crash-landed from another star system.
Inside of the caves they had little pea-sized dots connecting between stars and the Earth, so these pea-sized dots were Theoretically, telling us where the origin of these ancient peoples were from.
In 1947, an English scientist named Dr. Carl Robin Evans went in under an audience from the 14th Dalai Lama, our current Dalai Lama.
He got an audience with him, and then he went to study with the local tribe people in the area, learned the language, and then he learned from a local tribesman named Lurgan Law that This crash saucer and these ancient peoples came from the star system of Sirius 12,000 years ago.
So then we got an answer to what a drop of stone was, what it emulated, and where this ancient civilization was from.
So we get a connection to a star system.
And so I bring that up just first to put that image out there of this stone with the significance and then cut to Modern technology today, the Space Shuttle, Space Shuttle number 79, Mission 79, was it not?
February 1996.
Okay, which on board there are numerous recording devices, audio and video for the work of the astronauts and for ground control and monitoring.
There are also cameras outside in the shuttle bay when it's open and they look at the Earth's horizon and they get all kinds of views.
And after all, folks, if these things are really going on, these things we see, they would have to see them Wouldn't they?
And I believe the evidence is that they have.
And all of these images, if a picture is taken and it's transmitted back to ground control, well, that comes down through the ether and can be received by receiving dishes on Earth.
That's right.
Let's go to Vancouver, David, and talk about your friend at the cable station there.
Yeah.
The massive material he gathered over the years, uh, and, uh, explain the body of the material that he gathered and, uh, and his process.
The audience should understand, there's something called NASA Select, I can receive it here on CBAN, and you receive, at least certainly in those days, it was not tape-delayed, you received live transmissions From the shuttle.
And this man apparently was dedicated to recording them.
Is that correct, David?
That's correct.
We no longer have that availability today because NASA has encrypted their broadcast.
But back then, in about 1994, I had been working with many of the top physicists from the United States and Russia in the field of nuclear fusion and had access to some of the, literally, the top physicists in the world.
And Martin Stubbs, the program manager of a cable TV station, through a photographer friend of mine named Michael Boyle, had approached me and said, uh, would you do an investigation, uh, into this spatial phenomena, into what, what may be UFOs?
And I said, yeah.
I mean, I, myself in 1968 in Berkeley, California was one of hundreds of witnesses to a daylight UFO sighting.
So for me, I knew they, they existed.
So it wasn't an observed question to me.
And I took a look at the footage, and I looked at it, and originally I thought this would be a very quick investigation that would have some sort of a plausible answer.
And what I started to do was Martin Stubbs, the program manager of the cable TV station, started giving more and more of this footage.
He had spent around six or seven years of his life recording live NASA broadcasts and cataloging what appeared to be UFOs, or at least In the true sense of the word, unidentified flying objects.
So, I started studying them and I started writing scientists at NASA and talking to other physicists about them.
I had a lot of knowledge in science and physics myself from being a fly in the wall to many Nobel Prize winning physicists and having them at my disposal.
So I knew how to do a lot of thinking myself.
And I started dialoguing at NASA at the highest level.
I'd been talking to Scientists like Dr. Earl Van Landingham, who back in 1989 was the Head of Propulsion, Power, and Energy at NASA.
I had talked to Dr. Joseph Knuth III, who was NASA's Head of Astrochemistry.
I had talked to National Space Act Award-winning astrophysicist Lou Frank, and Paul XIV astronaut Edgar Mitchell.
And there were quite a number of other physicists that, over the course of the six years, I was sharing the footage with and looking for answers.
And on the footage, and the reason that David made this inquiry is because it is very, very compelling.
You see the NASA, and Dave, you'll correct me as I go along here, but you see in this particular piece from STS-79, you see, and you can get it if it's available.
He says 75, and then there's 80, and there's quite a number of missions that have... The one that's really compelling is the one with the tether.
Of the satellite that breaks off.
Oh, that's incredible.
You have a shuttle that releases a satellite, a tethered satellite, hopefully to go up and get into the trajectory that they wanted to achieve, but there was a mistake and the tether broke.
Correct, David?
That's correct.
So you see the satellite come out, you see the tether, which is long, a mile long.
Twelve miles long.
Twelve miles long, the tether, and it breaks away and floats away from the Space Shuttle, to a distance of about what?
Starting camera is about 77 miles away, drifting to 100.
Right.
So you see this long, long, glowing, straight cord, which is the tether.
And that's the phenomenon you see.
Glowing, glowing is right.
And then in the background, slowly, these objects begin to float in behind this 12 mile long tether, which is 100 miles away.
And these objects are round, with a hole in the middle and a notch in the side.
That's right.
Like the same symmetry as the Dropa stone.
And they also, when I freeze-framed these pulsing phenomenal disks, I got a spiraling wave exactly with so showing all three phenomena matching the drop of
stone the notch the hole in the middle of the round shape in the spiraling wave
and I suppose both of you are aware
of some of the us down being you ever sightings in Europe that show exactly what you're talking about
yes with a notch and all know exactly the woman others a woman in England who
would seem that's a couple of times that's right And she caught a hell of a photo, and I think she sold it to somebody for television.
Yeah, that was Robert Kiviot.
And it's round, it's got the notch, it's got the spirals.
Now David, the dimensions of these craft, if in fact you've got the shuttle, you've got the 12 miles away is the tether, I mean 100 miles away is the tether, 12 miles long, What are the dimensions in scale as you look at this footage?
What does it seem the dimensions of these craft are?
Well, there's a couple of ways that I take the measurements.
Firstly, we have a 12-mile long tether.
And again, I've done very deep research at NASA into this.
It's all on tape, folks.
All on tape.
I mean, right now, we finished a three-hour documentary, so people can order it.
People have been going through Art Bell, your site, all day today.
Um, so everything we're talking about, um, uh, can, you can now actually see in the documentary and also read about in the book.
So your measurements are taken how?
The measurements are taken, okay, first of all, the tether is 12 miles long.
So you've got a reference.
You've got, you've got relativity.
Sure.
You can clearly see the objects are going behind the tether, so that actually confirms that you're not looking at an optical illusion.
If I put a piece of fluff near the camera lens and And I measured against something 100 miles away.
I couldn't get a true relativity measurement.
But we can clearly see they're going behind.
And so... Many, many of them, David.
There's many of them.
And the largest... Measuring the diameters of the UFOs against the 12-mile length of the tether, I estimate 2 to 3 miles in diameter minimum sizes.
And if they're farther behind the tether than I think, they could be much larger than that even.
These are, but at minimum, two to three miles wide.
Those are big, big objects.
Now, let's backtrack just a little bit.
The tether broke.
Now, it was a fascinating experiment that, as far as I know, they have not yet repeated.
Who knows why?
It was an energy-gathering thing, right?
It sure was.
And, as a matter of fact, they gathered so much energy.
When we say the tether broke, that's not exactly what occurred.
No, that's not exactly what occurred.
What occurred was The 12 mile length of the tether, first of all, they ran a charge of electricity through it, just like you would charge any antenna.
And they were trying to produce energy as the tether dragged through the Earth's ionosphere, the magnetically charged part of our atmosphere.
Also collecting highly charged particles that are basically permeating space in the zero plane of space all day long.
And what they got was so much more than they expected that it just literally melted.
Exactly.
It melted.
So, you know, you might speculate, at least I might, I can do that, that these beings were...
They were aware that we were on the precipice of discovering a new energy source that might change this planet forever.
That's what I think, personally.
Well, that's what NASA discovered, and it really gets quite advanced, the tether, is that space has a lot more energy.
In fact, in the tether, the measurements were ten times more than physicists had predicted.
Thank you.
There's a lot more energy in the zero of space in what's now called the quantum void than scientists had ever previously thought.
And that energy field in space may be what some of these great civilizations from other star systems are tapping into to traverse the great distances of our universe.
Well, maybe they're not ready for us to tap into it just yet.
Maybe not, maybe that could be part of it, but also there seems to be a benevolent intervention here, David, and in your book you go on to postulate a theory as to why these crafts are visiting our outer atmospheres, our ionosphere, stratosphere.
And that would be why.
Why is this particular species, with this particular crowd, what are they doing with these huge, are they just observing or are they acting on a benevolent impulse here?
Well, the first thing, I'd have to backtrack a bit to answer the question.
My original investigation at NASA started with Dr. Knuth, the head of astrochemistry at NASA, talking about A discovery NASA had made in space of something they couldn't explain.
Giant 40-ton balls of water doing 35,000 miles an hour were entering our atmosphere at a rate of 10 to 20 million impacts a year.
David, David, you're going to have to hold it right there.
That really is an interesting point to hold it to.
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Well, it has to be that NASA knows these things are there, right?
So, that means they're lying to us, not telling us the truth.
And the question would be, why?
Why would they lie to us?
And I'm sure we'll cover that shortly with these two gentlemen.
Dan Aykroyd, the Dan Aykroyd, and David Sirita are my guests, and they'll be right back.
Once again, uh, Dan Aykroyd and David Sirita.
Gentlemen, welcome back.
We're talking about these balls of water, or I suppose if they were in space, uh, ice, and water when they get here, uh, crashing into Earth.
David?
Yes, okay, that's where we left off.
David, you were in correspondence with this Dr. Knuth.
Now, how did you find out about the NASA research which was revealing knowledge of these huge balls of water coming into the atmosphere and avoiding satellites and avoiding shuttles and somehow seemingly being directed What was the origin of the NASA study?
Well, basically, about 1985, a scientist named Dr. Louis A. Frank, who was operating satellites that could see into the ultraviolet light spectrum.
Incidentally, the ultraviolet light spectrum is the spectrum of light that we can't see as humans, but because it's too high in energy for us to see.
They had developed cameras that were looking into these upper spectra of light, and Frank started to detect these moving objects that were quite large and moving and entering our atmosphere.
And they were only showing up in these ultraviolet light spectrum.
Something that no one in the history of space science has ever observed before.
Normally when you take a picture of an object, if I have any gas, liquid or solid object in space, I can take a picture of it in infrared, which is heat.
A spectrum of light that's lower than the human eye can see, and then you could also take a picture of it in the visible spectrum, which we can see with our eyes.
But this was something completely different.
NASA was looking at something that was only showing up into the near and far ultraviolet.
That immediately cued my attention for a particular reason.
I'll have to backtrack a little bit.
In 1989, I was speaking with Dr. Earl Van Landingham, who was then NASA Head of Propulsion, Power and Energy.
We had a long talk about nuclear fusion, and I decided to candidly ask him, had NASA ever made contact with an extraterrestrial civilization?
And Dr. Van Manningham didn't laugh, he took the question very seriously, and he said, no we haven't.
And he said, when you consider the amount of energy it takes for a spacecraft to do the speed of light, to arrive at Earth from another star system, Alpha Centauri A and B are like 4.3 light years from Earth, and Sirius is 8.7, It takes a tremendous amount of energy to get velocity in a spacecraft.
And then, of course, you have other problems.
Another problem you have with a spacecraft attaining the speed of light is Einstein's Law.
I'll make this very simple for people, basically.
Equals MC squared tells us that solid mass, a spacecraft like the shuttle, can't go too fast.
It can't accelerate too fast because the faster it travels, The more the impeding force of inertia, if I, if you use the example of wind, if you stick your head out of the car doing 70 miles an hour, the wind impedes upon your face and pushes you back.
The faster you want to go, the stronger the wind gets.
When you go through space, there's not as much inertia, but as you start to get into incredible speeds, it starts to impede upon you, and Einstein says the physical mass cannot attain light speed because The faster you go, the greater the inertia, and then you've got to increase your energy to the point that you can never actually attain light speed.
So, where am I going with this?
Basically, what eventually physicists discover is that the only way you can go light speed is if you could, theoretically, if you could change the solid structure of a spacecraft and turn it into light, turn it into actual energy, so that it no longer has solid mass, it's actually Waveform or pure energy.
Make it vibrate at a higher level.
Actually, I thought Einstein suggested that if you did achieve the speed of light, that is exactly what would happen.
That's exactly, and that's the next evolution of it.
If you did achieve the speed of light, you would literally have to transform into light.
So if you look at why a photon can do the speed of light, it's because it has no mass.
It basically is called a massless particle.
Again, where is this going?
Dr. Earl Van Landingham, Director of Propulsion, Power and Energy at NASA, told me, again, the energy part of the equation, and that when you consider that, the great amounts of energy that it takes for a spacecraft to do the speed of light, he said we would detect a signal well advanced in the arrival of the spacecraft.
Well, where do we detect high energy signals?
When we look at how we actually observe phenomena, as humans, we observe things in light speed time, and we actually look at things in regards to light.
How do we actually make high-energy observations?
Well, in the electromagnetic spectrum, at the bottom of the spectrum, you have radio and TV waves.
Higher in frequency than that, you have microwaves, then you have infrared.
All these spectrum are invisible but detectable to humans at this point with our current technology and as you go higher into the spectrum, what you're actually observing is higher and higher levels of energy.
So in regards to Van Manningham's statement, where we should be looking to see The greater energy signal is not down in radio where SETI is looking, but rather up into the visible and the near-ultraviolet, the far-ultraviolet, the extreme ultraviolet, and even higher into X-ray and gamma-ray waves.
And that's exactly where NASA's looking.
And that's exactly where Frank was looking.
SETI is also moving in that direction.
Everyone's starting to figure this out now, because again, when you take the energy part of the equation, That both Einstein and Earl Van Manning are stating to us, we need to be looking at higher energy signals.
And so NASA's video cameras on the space shuttle, which all of this footage of the tether was taken on, is a special camera that is kind of, they basically take an off-the-shelf video camera and they soup it up kind of like you would soup up a hot rod car to see into the near ultraviolet light spectrum.
So, when something only shows up in the ultraviolet light spectrum, it means the entirety of the object.
It means every single atom is vibrating as pure waveform energy in a spectrum of energy that is actually radiating with so much energy that we can't see it.
That's exactly what, in regards to what Van Manningham is saying, where we should be looking
to detect such a signal and that's exactly where these UFOs are showing up.
Alright, so how are they explaining this?
Now, when he started to find these water balls only showing up in the ultraviolet spectrum.
Going 35,000 miles an hour and hitting our upper atmosphere.
Hitting our upper atmosphere, doing 35,000 miles an hour.
I went, oh my god, this meets the criteria of unidentified flying object phenomena for what we should be looking for.
And then I got in the middle of this huge debate between Lou Frank, all these other scientists, and Dr. Joseph Knuth III, the head of astrochemistry at NASA, trying to find out what these things were.
And that's where it all began.
What we ended up with was a war.
On one hand, Frank really did appear to be seeing giant water balls entering our atmosphere, but on the other hand, there were so many of them, and they weren't showing up in infrared, which they should, which showed me they were highly quantized, phenomenal objects.
And then, Knuth was pulling his hair out of his head because he said, with this many objects impacting our atmosphere, No satellite, nor the space shuttle, had the chance of surviving days, let alone years, if these were actually naturally occurring water balls, or what are now called small comets.
And so there's a huge disagreement.
The only answer, in the end, that I could come up with in the debate was that these water balls were being intelligently directed around the satellites, and that was the only way we could describe how they The only answer to explain why they aren't hitting the satellites.
Hitting them.
Well, is it so hard to imagine?
After all, there's a very strong theory that that's the way life was seeded originally on Earth.
Water is the matrix of all life.
You bet.
Every living thing is made of water.
And then, the other part of the problem was that Water cannot survive deep transits in space.
Not small amounts of water like this.
Right.
Without burning up under the intensely hot rays of ultraviolet and gamma rays and x-rays.
In fact, it shouldn't even be here.
So then I postulated to Newt that the only possible answer is that they had a phenomenal membrane around them, kind of like a radiant barrier.
Let me explain to people what a radiant barrier is.
In space, the temperature of space is minus 273 degrees, so it's freezing.
But as soon as you have a gas, liquid, or solid exposed to space, above the atmosphere, it basically gets bombarded by cosmic rays from our sun and from other stars, and you get temperature.
So, because you're getting temperature on the water at such a high degree, the water should theoretically burn up.
It shouldn't have arrived here.
So the only way to protect Anything in space, satellites, the space shuttle, or these alleged water balls at this point, is if they had a foil-like or a gold reflective radiant barrier to bounce out those harmful rays.
Kind of like, you know, the same way down on the Earth here, our atmosphere actually filters out all the harmful rays, the more intense cosmic rays, from entering our atmosphere.
So, at this point, The only way we could see these water balls surviving is if they had a barrier around them, and that would start to look like some sort of an intelligence, and that's something that NASA could not agree to, so the debate has remained stagnant to this day.
I filled in the blanks.
The answer was clear to me.
The only way they could be going, that there could be so many of them impacting our atmosphere and not hitting the satellites is, for one, they were going around them, And two, they must have had some sort of a thin or protective shell, and that starts to lead to the idea that we're dealing with intelligence.
Yes, but NASA then is well aware of this, and all of the other NASA footage that I'm sure Dan has seen a lot of, I've seen it too, you can't watch this footage without your mind getting blown, and you're saying to yourself, well then we're being lied to.
I think that the rank and file of NASA, I think that there are many there who are big fans of this footage.
It's known that many were big fans of the Mission to Mars movie, which laid out and postulated the seeding scenario, and I think that your public relations Mechanism at NASA is just operating under the Space Act of 1958, David.
Yeah, exactly.
It was the Space Act of 1958.
There's a blank, you know, government employees and people in aerospace and astrophysics and in the military are prohibited by United States Code.
I forget what title it is.
Title something.
Subsection, paragraph, you know.
You'd have to have a lawyer look into it, but are prohibited from talking about UFOs.
Well, I had two NASA public relations guys on the air with me, and it was very instructive.
Their answers were very instructive in essentially denying everything.
I mean, just, it was an obvious, full-blown, we're gonna deny everything, ice crystals, propulsion, any reason at all one can give, the reasons they do give.
And they just flat denied everything.
And that's what I did for this six-year investigation.
And again, in the middle of this conversation, I'd actually like to point out that people
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And why are they being hurled at us by this intelligent?
Okay, so this gets incredibly interesting because again, I didn't know where this investigation was going.
This was day one.
Basically, what happened and what I started arguing with Dr. Knuth about is, first, he agreed with me.
He said one of the problems with Frank's hypothesis is that these water balls theoretically could not be coming here.
They couldn't survive the intense temperatures of space.
I eliminated tailings from the recent passings of comets, such as Hale-Bopp.
He said, no, these are definitely not melted tailings from the passing of a comet, because it's something that's been occurring even when no comet has been passing by.
So we eliminated that.
We eliminated shooting stars, space debris, space junk, just about everything in the argument.
And then I said to Dr. Knuth, well wouldn't the enormity of water, you've got 40 tons of water, they're evaporating as they hit the upper atmosphere.
I said wouldn't the intense radiation from the sun break the H and the O, water is hydrogen and oxygen, separate the two, Um, at 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, hydrogen separates from oxygen, and the oxygen, as it got bombarded, the oxygen that was released from the water would be bombarded by solar radiation and produce ozone.
So, we all know our ozone layer is dying, and yet, these mysterious balls of water would be producing oxygen, which would then transmutate into O3, which is ozone.
So I said, oh my God, is the... Actually, my first question to Newt about that is, is there a God?
Is someone hearing our call?
Are these things actually producing ozone?
And he agreed with me, yes, they would actually produce some ozone.
He didn't know or understand exactly how much ozone they're producing.
And it's a very difficult conversation to have with a scientist like Dr. Knuth at NASA because, first of all, they're not able to take accurate measurements about how much ozone has been depleted and also how much these things are producing.
If we're seeing a retardation in the damage to the ozone layer, it could be related to these giant water balls.
Well, we do know how serious the ozone depletion is becoming.
I mean, three to five percent, I believe, over the North American continent, for example.
Zillions more cancers, all kinds of problems as a result of it.
Exactly.
I used to know the scientists at NASA Retired now at Berkeley, Dr. Johnson, who did the original calculations on ozone depletion for NASA about 15 years ago.
And his calculations showed me something so terrifying.
He said within 30 years, that was about 10 or 15 years ago, life could end on this planet.
He said we don't have to lose all the ozone for life to end.
We only have to lose some of it.
And yet that hasn't happened.
So I'm quite I'm quite interested.
I don't know how much ozone these things are producing, but it seems to be an act of benevolence, because what later happens in this investigation... We were talking earlier about the dropastones, and how they looked identical with the square notch kind of the side, the hole in the middle, and the spiraling wave to a dropastone.
Now, I didn't know where this investigation was going, but many years later, basically five or six years later, when I had made Through a researcher named David Bower, made the connection to the Dropa Stones, and I researched how they were connected to the star system Sirius, and then I decided to read Robert Temple's book, The Sirius Mystery, and I learned, oh my God, here was my answer.
The ancient Sirian gods were known as the masters of water.
They were known as the water gods, who were from watery planets in the Sirius star system.
And everything came crashing together.
In Temple's book, The Serious Mystery, he talks of a tribe, an African tribe called the Dogon tribe in northwest Africa, who prophesy the return of these Syrian gods.
And in the day of the return would be called the Day of the Fish, which is quite interesting to describe the aquatic or watery nature of these gods.
And lo and behold, during the STS-75 tether incident, The tether, and the satellite, and the shuttle were passing directly over Northwest Africa, moving on over to Egypt, the precise home and location of the Dogon tribe, who prophesied their return.
So was all this a coincidence?
Was the original investigation into water, and the intelligence around water, and then the enormous UFOs, and how they led me to the star system of Sirius, and then finding out that the Sirian gods Which again, you can learn about all of this in great detail in the documentary, were the masters of water.
And that they had mastery over water.
And in fact, if we look back in biblical history, we can see the God of Moses parting the Red Sea.
We can see Jesus Christ walking on the water and commanding the sea to a calm.
That's right.
We can see all of these great gods of Egypt.
Um, who are known as masters of water.
So it really looks like we're looking at something far beyond coincidence that we could not have so many coincidences.
If this were to extrapolate it right out, there would be a benevolent species which is grafting the damaged ozone layer with a view towards healing this planet and that gives me a lot of hope if there's any grounds for credible All right, we're at the top of the hour.
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That number to order the tapes, 1-877-UFO-NASA.
as one can and he's laid it all out here.
All right, we're at the top of the hour.
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Yeah.
All right, good.
That number to order the tape, 1-877-UFO-NASA.
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NASA.
Yeah, they've got to love that.
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Where were we?
We've got a drop of stone in ancient culture that is like a lifesaver with a notch cut out of it.
We have a picture that a woman took in England of such a craft in the sky.
We have the NASA STS-75, their own cameras recording The tether with these objects in the background looks like a lifesaver notch out of it.
We have water balls hitting the planet, producing ozone to hopefully heal the atmosphere.
In this theory, we have the Syrian connection.
And, David, you spoke of the launch of the shuttle at a particular time.
Yeah.
And I was at the end of your book and his and David's book is called
the best evidence the case for NASA UFOs, it's a must read and
Incredible incredible volume with a great theory about a life-affirming benevolent presence
Hopefully that well Dan how much trouble do you think we're in?
environmentally Well when you've got frogs, you know missing limbs and
growing extra limbs and and and missing eyes and tumors When you have species dying out around the world
in South America in formerly pristine areas like rainforests
and jungles When you have acid rain eating the paint off my farmhouse
else.
Air pollution at such degrees now that even towns along here where we are in Lake Ontario are suffering formally.
They didn't have that kind of a problem.
You know, I think we are in... We're probably, as David Suzuki, the great environmentalist says, we are a minute from midnight and midnight being catastrophe.
The weather would also seem to be undergoing a fairly profound change at the moment.
Even the major networks are beginning to take note.
Yeah, I'm up here in Eastern Ontario, near Ottawa, the capital city of Canada, which is on the same latitude as Moscow.
And, you know, today it was like almost 65 degrees, and we're sitting at night.
I've got the door open here.
Really?
On the other hand, Dan, I'm about 20 miles from Death Valley, and it's presently 29.5 degrees.
That nice cool desert air.
But, David, tell us about the shuttle launch and the Syrians being the proponents of water, these beings that are the masters of these water balls in your theory.
Well, basically, you know, where we left off is, again, we've made a connection here.
We started an investigation six years ago at NASA into water balls that defied all logic and all physics.
They seem to be To me, to be intelligently driven, and ultimately, in chemistry, water breaks down into hydrogen and oxygen, and the oxygen transmutates into ozone, and that would definitely be producing a significant amount of ozone in our atmosphere, and that would obviously have some sort of a healing or benefit to our failing ozone layer.
And then, of course, we made the connection to the Dropa stones, and the Dropa stones led us to Sirius, the star system of Sirius, And when I read Robert Temple's book, which is another book I really urge people to read, we make the connection to the Syrian gods as the masters of water.
And the ancient Egyptian gods and goddesses were known as, in Temple's research, the masters of water.
So again, it all came crashing together.
There were so many coincidences.
And further, that the space shuttle, and during the tether incident, was traveling right over northwest Africa, The home of the ancient Dogon priests and the Dogon tribe who live in Mali, Northwest Africa, and prophesied the return of the Nomos, what they call the Nomos, or the ancient gods from the star system of Sirius, and said it would be called the Day of the Fish and the Star of the Tenth Moon, and this would mark their return, and that Temple actually wrote in his book that the Dogons described
These ancient gods from Sirius traveling to Earth in watery spacecraft that would be encapsulated in a thin metal shell.
And inadvertently, Temple was actually describing Dr. Frank's discovery of water balls that had a radiant barrier or some sort of a foil protecting barrier around them to prevent them from burning up under the intense radiation from the sun.
There was just so many coincidences in this investigation that it just doesn't look like many of NASA's scientists trying to fluff these things off as some sort of explainable phenomenon.
Yeah, but here's the problem, David and Dan.
It's this.
And I've talked to NASA people, and I tell them about the kind of things you're talking about right now, and they say, My God!
If NASA knew of something like this going on, some program like this going on, extraterrestrials visiting us, we would be the very first to tell you about it because we depend on a budget.
And nothing would get our budget going like, you know, a discovery of extraterrestrials.
So there's got to be some much larger force at work that would prevent them from You know, feeding their own budget.
What about that?
Actually, just before we went on the show tonight, I got off the phone with a friend of mine who was working on the space station.
I can't really tell his name because he has since become a massive fan of the NASA footage.
I've shared it with him and his family.
And he's saying NASA's falling apart.
Under Bush right now, in fact, Dan Golden, who is actually resigning from NASA because of arguments with the President, and the President trying to cut funding Cutting back the space station.
Cutting back everything in NASA.
And I think that this is a mistake.
I think that we have to... Well, so do I. But again, explain.
After all, they could announce this, and the funding would go through the roof, wouldn't it?
Well, here's the question.
A lot, and again, I've worked with, in the association of many of the top physicists in this country, including people like Glenn Seaver, who chaired the Atomic Energy Commission, And invented plutonium, won the Nobel Prize for it, responsible for all the nuclear testing out in Nevada under Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon.
And people, these people are not really trained to understand how to look for, again, going back to Earl Van Lanningham's statement, how would you recognize a high-energy signal?
And I don't think they really When they were looking through these cameras and seeing these glowing giant disks, and then they pulled their eye away from the camera and there's nothing there, I think that they didn't even really understand what they were seeing.
It would be very difficult, I think, for the conventional publicity mechanism of NASA to present this theory and have it be believed.
Yeah, I think they'd have a hard time with it, yeah.
They would.
Yes, I know, but we have this evidence, though, of these craft traversing our atmosphere at, you know, 25,000 miles an hour, going across the Atlantic.
There's some pretty impressive radar confirmations and visual confirmations and photographs and all the rest of it.
So, somebody there has to know something.
Well, I think they know.
I mean, again, people I know at NASA, There's a couple of physicists that I mentioned in my investigation who are absolutely baffled by these videotapes.
Dr. Louis A. Frank was so baffled, and his research team was so baffled, he couldn't even...
He said we've seen the tape over and over several times and I want to speak to you about it because basically he's saying he's mystified.
And this is a National Space Act award-winning astrophysicist admitting to me he can't explain what these things are.
I understand, but again, playing the devil's advocate, this is what the NASA guys said on my program.
They said we would at least announce something about this to get our budget cooking.
I think you have a great point, but I also think some people at NASA have figured out what I've figured out.
And I'll tell you, again, you've had Richard Hoagland, a profound space research scientist, on your show, and two incidences he reported that really got my attention.
Again, I've been in the business of detection with physicists, and I understand how we make detections on a vast level.
I think it was called the Pegasus Incident.
Remember the Pegasus Incident?
I remember it very clearly.
Remember the giant disc that showed up on radar but didn't show up in the visible spectrum?
Yes.
That's exactly what I'm looking for.
You're looking for a high energy signal of something that isn't appearing in lower dimensions.
I don't think there's a big argument.
Those were two to three hundred mile wide circles and they were moving and they showed up on radar but we couldn't see them.
That is exactly what we should be looking for in regards to considering Einstein's law that a solid craft can't do the speed of light, but if you turn into pure energy, you can.
That's what we should be looking for.
How does that happen?
How do we take mass and turn it into light, and how is it possible that from eight and a half light years away, these craft are able to make this journey in much less time than that?
Well, that's a subject that, in the video, in the documentary, and also in the book, I treat with incredible respect.
What I did is, with a zero-point energy scientist named Steve Okerlund in Maui, we got a giant TV I plugged the tether tape into an incredibly good quality VCR, and we watched the pulsing waves, the UFOs that are actually pulsing as they move over the top of the tether.
That's right, I've seen it.
Okay, I freeze-framed those pulses with an incredibly accurate VCR, and I started studying the wave patterns.
And you're going to see this in the documentary, and it's really hard to explain it on the air, but I'll basically tell you that the wave patterns revealed to me The propulsion system of these craft and the energy generation system of these crafts, and I'll explain.
Basically, extremely high frequency waves that are obviously stronger than light are pulsating through the craft.
And what happens when you pulsate mass steel with high frequency waves of energy?
A Canadian scientist named John Hutchison, who is discoverer of the Hutchison effect, is actually doing the exact same thing.
He's been pulsing Extremely high frequency waves from Tesla coils and Van de Graaff generators and really high frequency radio waves at steel and solid objects.
With what kind of result?
He actually levitated a 70 pound cannonball.
The 70 pound cannonball starts to absorb the high frequency waves and it starts to levitate and he's actually got it on film and you can see it in the documentary.
What is actually happening is everything Nikola Tesla Basically measured the Earth vibrating at between 6 and 7 Hertz.
Or is it 7 and 8 Hertz?
It's a very low frequency state.
So matter, as we know it, is just energy vibrating at a very low frequency.
If you can change the frequency of mass into a lighter frequency, it actually becomes... Its mass is actually reducing.
It's becoming less and less mass.
So with reference to gravity... So what ends up happening is When I looked at the UFOs and I see these high frequency
waves pulsating through their mass, they're telling me how they're levitating and moving their
craft.
Hutchison proves the point by, in his experiments, he's pulsating a 70 pound cannonball with high frequency
waves.
Eventually, the solid structure of the cannonball becomes so high in frequency that it starts to defy gravity and levitate.
Alright, maybe you can answer this.
So many of the reports we've had, Dan mentioned it a little while ago, are of craft that come into the visual spectrum for a period of time and then To us, anyway, virtually wink out, and then may appear later an impossible distance away.
I can completely explain that with what I'm explaining to you.
Actually, in the NASA UFO documentary, we have footage from the space shuttle.
Looking down at the Earth, you'll see a UFO materialize suddenly in front of the space shuttle cameras, as if from another dimension.
When we consider the space shuttle cameras looking into, say, the near ultraviolet light spectrum, a spectrum of energy that's too high in frequency for us to see, these craft are able to take their solid mass, like Hutchison's cannonball, transform them into a high frequency wave state which makes them turn into mass becomes energy.
And as mass becomes energy, it basically is transforming into light.
As it goes higher in frequency in that spectrum, it eventually can go so high in energy that we can't see it anymore, so it appears to go into another dimension.
If the UFO started vibrating in the near ultraviolet, for instance, suddenly, it would appear to disappear in front of our eyes.
The reason it's doing that is because the higher its frequency, it becomes, it's becoming lighter and lighter and lighter.
And once it becomes as light as a photon, It's easy for it to do the speed of light.
In fact, it requires very little energy in the form of propulsion to move a solid spacecraft made of photons, made of light, because they have no mass.
Is it your opinion, David, and or Dan?
That what's going on at Area 51 and other secret areas is experimentation in exactly this technology.
Probably not as advanced at this, David.
Probably not as advanced, but I can tell you one thing about Area 51 that I've done some research into, and that is that A company called EG&G.
Oh, I know them well.
One of the top four defense contractors in 1968 boasted that they had a successful demonstration of a nuclear propulsion system called Phobos 2A.
Now, that would be a radioactive nuclear propulsion system.
Because we know that we haven't actually developed truly non-radioactive nuclear power sources yet.
We think we haven't.
I worked with some of the top nuclear fusion scientists in the world.
I spoke in Congress in fusion in 1992.
And there is definitely a retardation in our country to funding truly non-radioactive types of fusion.
And we haven't gone there yet.
So one of the signatures you could look for in discerning between an experimental craft Such as those being developed in Area 51 that are nuclear propulsion systems, is that there would be radioactivity evident, and that would mean during a fighting or encounter you might receive radiation burns.
We can't assume that someone coming from a star system like Ceres or Alpha Centauri is going to be exposing themselves to radiation because they would die long before they got here.
So when we see radiation around spacecraft, harmful radiation I should point out, We might be seeing a signature that we're looking at something that was developed at Area 51 or somewhere else on the Earth.
It is some sort of experimental craft, but non-radioactive nuclear energies and certainly getting into zero-point energy and gravity beyond light speed theory or magnetism beyond light speed theory craft, which is what I think we're looking at in the video, they're obviously far beyond nuclear fusion.
I'll give you an example in about In 1989, 1990, I met Dr. Glenn Seaborg, who chaired the Atomic Energy Commission under Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon.
And he was getting involved in a type of non-radioactive nuclear fusion called helium-3 fusion, developed by a scientist I know very well from MIT named Dr. Bogdan Maglic.
And I asked Seaborg about zero-point energy and these alternative energy developers, and he said, If anyone had developed a gravity generator, they would have the most advanced form of energy, so far advanced that even it would make nuclear fusion obsolete.
And he said, I don't believe anyone's developing anything like that on the Earth today.
Well, they should be, because look at the waves.
And I think that's what these UFOs, again, another benevolent signal, the pulsing waves coming off of the UFO and studying those waves and revealing how They're levitating their craft, and then when I met Canadian scientist John Hutchison, I saw he was doing the same thing, and it was working.
Well, I think we're on to this technology to some degree.
I just think that it's being suppressed for obvious reasons.
It is.
Hutchison has had McDonald, Douglas, Lockheed Martin, all the defense contractors come up and try to study his technology and try to duplicate it.
And I think they're on to him, and I think we're heading in the right direction, but again, We're very slow.
We're very, very slow.
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From space, you surely can see miles and miles and miles.
And if these things that we're all seeing, or many of us, are real, Then NASA has seen them.
NASA, in all likelihood, has a pretty good idea what they are.
And I still think it's a really good question.
Maybe a hard political question, but a good one.
How come they're not telling us?
Dan Aykroyd's new show is going to be called out there on the Sci-Fi Channel.
Dan, are you going to have David on and some of this footage?
Oh, absolutely.
David is one of our key guests.
Very excited to have him on, show the footage, discuss the topic of the Benevolent Syrians, who may be helping us heal our ozone, and on many other subjects, hopefully in subsequent shows.
I know that we only have a half hour with each guest.
We're going to get into a full range of subjects, and I'm sure David will be a frequent guest, and in answer to your question about why they don't reveal this, why there's no open discussion here on these matters, well, there was a congressional study done in the 50s about what this knowledge would do to a Western society, and it was concluded in that study that there would be a general breakdown of respect for authority.
And, you know, oh, wait a minute.
That's the Brookings Report.
You're talking about the Brookings Report.
Yes, of course.
Yeah, what are we supposed to do?
We're supposed to respect the teacher, the cop on the street, the military man and the president when there's a higher being and a higher force out there.
Wait a minute.
Hold on.
Get out of the way.
Get out of the way.
We want to talk to him.
We want to talk to that entity.
That's right.
That breakdown of society, that disrespect for authority, people not going to work, people not going to church.
Well, this is the theory anyway.
I think humankind at this point today, in the year 2001, with all that's happening on the planet, with 50% of the people in polls taken all the time believing in paranormal and supernatural events, that there is much more beyond the four dimensions that we live in, much more than we see.
I think people are ready to handle it.
And I think that that Brookings Report was done, you know, a half a century ago, and times have changed.
Technology's changed, and I think people are ready for a revelation.
Well, to some degree, perhaps, Dan, but I'll tell you, I talk to a number of fundamentalists on this program all the time.
They're not ready.
But it's all from God.
It all comes from God.
It all comes from the divine being.
It doesn't undermine God in any way.
I don't see where it undermines God or anything Judeo-Christian at all.
You've done your movies about ghosts, light-hearted stuff.
Do you believe in them?
Oh yes, absolutely.
All one has to do is read the tremendous books that were out in the 70s and 80s about the ghost of flight.
401, Lockheed L-1011 that crashed in a swamp in Florida.
You bet.
That is a compelling ghost story, and that's one I frequently tell around the fire here in Canada.
There are many, many books out.
I have photos that were taken.
We took a bike ride up through Louisiana and into Mississippi.
We went to the Myrtles Plantation there.
And with our Harleys, we pulled up in our leathers.
We were walking around, and I have Polaroids of things in behind my friend's head.
Shapes.
Shrouds.
Shrouded figures.
Right there on camera.
And people purport that the Myrtles is one of the most haunted places in America.
I've spoken to United States park rangers who work at Ellis Island.
And they say that walking those parapets at night, they have seen gray apparitions.
They've felt cold spots.
They've heard voices.
You know, Hans Holzer was a great researcher.
Of all of this stuff, and he's got audio tapes of otherworldly voices that just are, again, compelling evidence.
Okay, I agree with you.
I, too, believe in ghosts.
I've heard the stories for years and years and years.
So compelling.
And I've seen a lot of very compelling photographs.
So, I believe.
What I'm interested in, though, is the possibility that these ghosts or these entities Uh, are hard to separate from some of what we're talking about with, with, uh, David.
We don't really know that they're from necessarily serious or who they are or what dimension they're from or anything else, uh, about them in quotes.
And I'm not so sure that, uh, all of this is not connected.
Well, remember Art, I mentioned, uh, how the...
These higher spectrum of light, which is essentially higher energy.
Yes, well, David, David, David, if you look at nids and people who have done work in UV, for example, they have seen things that would just blow your mind.
You know, they've seen openings in midair with creatures crawling out in light spectrum that we can't see.
All of that relates to what you're talking about.
Exactly.
I mean one night I was going crazy because you had a woman on in the Los Angeles area who was taking pictures in the ultraviolet and seeing these UFOs show up that weren't showing up in a regular view and I knew the answer.
That's right.
I was trying to get through on the line but I couldn't.
But also in regards to Sirius and when you mentioned NASA, do they know?
Your most profound space science researcher Richard Hoagland stated on your show that on May 27th 1999 NASA launched STS mission 96 at 6 50 a.m.
Eastern Daylight Time with Sirius at 33.33 degrees on the horizon and that number 33.33 degrees is the highest number in symbology in Masonic wisdom.
That's true.
We know the founding fathers of our Constitution were all Masons and we know The people very high up at NASA are also very aware of Masonic symbology.
So why, again, was it serious?
Three years later, after STS-75, which was in 1996, and now we got three years later, and 33.33 degrees, and serious.
It's serious.
It's on the horizon.
So I postulate that NASA may know, and I figured out the same thing I have, and I'm just one step behind them.
There you are.
And that they know who our visitors are, and they've said it.
In a very subtle way.
And all we had to do was decipher it, and thanks to Richard Hogan, we have that fact.
Right.
What about their quest for zero-point energy?
Do you think there's any evidence that...
Well, again, in 1996, mysterious or not, the same year as the mission of the STS-75 incident,
NASA opens up a new division headed by a very young physicist around the same age as me,
Dr. Mark Millis, into research into zero-point energy, quantum ideas, and even beyond light
speed theory, technologies.
So NASA suddenly became very interested in 1996 and funded this new division into zero-point
energy, something that previously they weren't interested in.
Why was it all happening around that year?
Also an astronaut who was on board that particular mission, Dr. Franklin Chang Diaz, who saw
whatever we were seeing on the videotape live that day, we saw pulsing UFOs.
Dr. Franklin Chang-Diaz became the head of the Johnson Space Center's propulsion lab, and he developed a pulsed plasma rocket just a few years later.
Was he trying in his own way to reverse engineer the kind of physics he thought he was seeing that day?
There's just so many coincidences as we go through this investigation.
And I really think people should look and take a look at this documentary and the video and see and read the book if they can.
And make their own decision.
I've shown arguments on NASA's side as to why they think they're not UFOs, some scientists at NASA that are mystified, and from the viewpoint that these are unidentified flying objects, and I think I've shown all sides in this case, and people can make up their minds in the end who they want to believe.
Well, the people who would have seen a lot of this are the astronauts.
Now, the astronauts, those, including those who went to the moon, Have all had incredibly difficult lives since their missions, as though they are aware of something and they're keeping it inside.
I mean, they have had bouts with alcoholism at just an astounding rate, loss of families, divorces, all kinds of very difficult things have happened to these guys who had the right stuff.
But a few have come out and said that they've seen things.
Yes, sir, they have.
And so there are NASA employees, NASA first-hand astronauts, space travelers, star travelers of earthly origin, of, you know, who are humans, who are of our consciousness and intelligence, who are admitting that there is much more.
You bet.
One of the most compelling shows, Art, that you ever had on was the night that you played the 9-1-1 calls in Liberty County, Ohio.
I agree.
Remember that?
Oh, of course I do.
That was a fantastic show because you had, and you went with it, because you played 45 minutes of these cops chasing UFOs, you know, all over the countryside.
Yes.
Culminating with the guy climbing up in the water tower and seeing four of them go over his head.
Incredible.
It didn't need comment.
We just laid it out on the air.
You could hear it for yourself.
It was beautiful.
It was just vivid and wonderful.
You know, it's that thought type.
And as just a blanket, sort of, anybody who comes up to me and says, well, how can you believe in ghosts and the supernatural and the paranormal?
What proof is there?
I say, well, go to Marfa, Texas.
Oh, yes.
Marfa, yes.
Go to Alpine and go 30 miles west of Alpine and park your car at the State-certified paranormal mystery parking lot, because the state of Texas has right there.
Marfa Mystery License gives you a little table and a chair and place to pull your RV over and watch those lights and they appear every night between dusk and dawn and they hop around, they change colors.
I've sighted them with an infrared viewer.
I've seen them with the naked eye.
I've had people with me.
The thing is, there's nothing out there to produce them.
There's no gas, there's no, it's not a car, it's not a generator.
But they're there.
They're there.
And that is a true paranormal mystery and one recognized by the state of Texas.
By the way, here in Nevada, to give ourselves a plug, we've got something called the Extraterrestrial Highway.
Recognized by the state of Nevada.
That's right.
Yeah, we almost hit a cow there a couple years ago on a motorcycle.
Going up to the Little Ailey Inn.
Oh yes, oh you've been there?
I've been to, yeah, I've been to Rachel's, seen the mailbox.
And what is great about the Little Ailey Inn is you go into the corner as you're eating your burger and having your milkshake and with all of the fine people there, Pat and everybody, On the wall is just the most vivid and spectacular collection of home-assembled photos of UFOs.
People just, they tack these photos up and they've been coming from all over the world for years and there's a great, great display there that kind of rivals the one at the Roswell Museum.
Well, I think, personally, That this is all very obvious to my listeners, to the two of you, to myself, and I think that you're right.
I think that the Brookings Institution study is still in force, and I believe that at the highest levels in this country, they've determined that this information cannot get out.
Simply cannot get out.
And I don't know, with shows like mine, with shows like the one you've got coming, Dan, and the information you've got, David, if it's really this serious, they're not going to really let this get out.
Not to the point where there's a public epiphany, you know, and everybody suddenly realizes it really is true.
They're just not going to... They can't let it happen.
Well, thanks to people like you and Dan that you guys have had the courage to open these doors.
and let people know and that's why so many people stay up so late at night just to hear this because they want to
know the truth.
Well Dan, how do you... there are stars in Hollywood that lend themselves to political points of view or whatever.
You've done something else entirely here. You're lending your voice, your celebrity, to this cause.
So you must feel awfully strongly about it.
Well I do. I like truth to be told and there are thousands and thousands of people out there around the world who've
been taken.
And we haven't even gotten into that phenomenon, to the work of Bud Hopkins and John Mack.
And these are people from all walks of life.
You know, Herb Shermer, the highway patrolman.
Nebraska who went aboard a ship oh yes and spoke of that Barney and Betty Hill the Allagash guys
the Pascagoula guys the Hopkinsville incident incident, you know
These people told their friends and their friends told their friends and so there there are people out there who
know Are you pretty well convinced
Dan that that these are these creatures have have our best interests at heart or
Or, you know, there's people like Dr. David Jacobs who write that they may not be what we think they are, and those who come back, you know, from these kidnappings or these abductions, Hello, you guys?
Yes, hello.
I'm sorry, I had my handset cut out here.
Oh, okay, okay.
Are you familiar with the work of Dr. Jacobs?
Dr. David Jacobs.
I'm not sure.
Okay, well, he's... it's simple.
He doesn't think these are such friendly creatures at all, and he thinks those who have been abducted have been brainwashed, and he said we should be very, very cautious.
Now, you obviously seem to think they're pretty friendly, Only, well, the ones that David writes about, the Syrian theory, those are benevolent species.
I believe that there are non-benevolent ones at all, and I think that, I think there are probably training programs underway at certain levels of the military, and there should be, with a defensive stance.
Now, Stephen Greer says that we should not be developing The Missile Defense Shield.
We should not be developing space-oriented weapons at all, because they, I guess, will act as a deterrent to the species coming down to try to make contact.
But, I, um... Well, Dr. Greer... I think it helps to have something in reserve.
Dr. Greer thinks we're crazy to be developing space-based weapons systems, and he thinks we've been shooting at these things.
Well, there is that footage, David, that you showed me of some kind of a high-speed craft coming towards Earth, and then a beam comes up from Earth, and it misses it, and then the thing makes a right-angle turn and kind of Yeah, I actually have a lot of research and I didn't go into it in this investigation of what are known as ultraviolet light weapons, which would attack them in their frequency.
but uh... the undersecretary defense for acquisition in technology
uh... a wealth of information uh... in that agency as to the most advanced
defense uh...
capabilities we have a very well aware of the uh... the footage that uh...
vendors talk about is that in your yeah that
we have several incidents in this documentary
uh... the tethered or you'll be one of you know you actually see a beam come up i'm familiar with
it and a lot of things are we've got a a gathering over uh... over africa of about
eight or nine ufo gathering in a circle
we have a ufo manifesting from another dimension We've got a UFO that I'm able to calculate speed on at over 900,000 miles an hour, moving over the curvature of the Earth and disappearing on the horizon.
We have a high-speed, nearly 90-degree turn, which is something that just baffles the physicist's mind.
There's an incredible amount of footage and investigation and a lot of compelling theories and arguments going along with each piece of footage.
All right, and this is available again at a phone number right now.
I presume now?
Right now, yeah.
For $24.95, a two-video set.
It's 1-877-UFO-NASA.
This is the real thing.
Now, incidentally, the Brookings Institution was an American-sponsored document, and in Europe, in Belgium, you know, you had the Air Force General on there talking about his F-15s chasing craft that were going 75 100 miles an hour.
There doesn't seem to be this blanket denial in the public relations mechanisms of many European governments.
There's people who are quite open in the... The French have just come out with a large disclosure project over the last couple of years.
Even the Mexicans, Dan, they've had collisions with UFOs out of Mexico City.
Right.
And they talk about it.
Yeah, they talk about it.
Yeah.
But we don't.
And the Brazilian defense guy there who was, in the last couple of years, speaking about his activities and his studies and the investigations that he undertook.
Well, listen, you two, we're out of show.
We're out of time.
Boy, that went fast.
That was three hours.
Boom.
Just like that.
Well, we've got to do it again sometime.
And, Art, if I can convince you to come to New York City, I'd love to have you on my show.
And I've got to get out to the high desert because I need A good dose of that pure, beautiful air and that great, endless sky.
Dan, thank you.
Thank you for having us.
Thank you, my friend.
David, good night.
Good night.
Thank you, Art.
Yep.
Good night, all.
All right.
There you have it.
David Sirita, Dan Aykroyd.
I'm Art Bell from the high desert.
It is really happening, you know.
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