Dr. Nick Begich warns of HAARP’s ionospheric heating in Alaska—used for submarine comms and deep-earth scanning—posing risks like ELF-induced seizures or DNA disruption, with $80B slated for missile defense despite Russian objections and untested biological effects. He links past MKUltra abuses (500K+ Americans exposed) to modern mind-mapping tech, citing U.S. Army War College’s The Mind Has No Firewalls and voice biometrics tracking dissent in seconds. Alaska truckers report HAARP-linked weather anomalies altering animal behavior, while Begich cautions fear-driven laws like the Patriot Act lack oversight. Concludes: cutting-edge surveillance and energy weapons demand urgent public debate before irreversible civil liberties erosion or unintended global consequences unfold. [Automatically generated summary]
Love it you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever it may be, wherever you are in all 24 time zones covered by this program called Ghost Ghost AMI Mart Bell.
And tonight, it's hard to know where to begin in the news.
There is so much going on.
In the second hour, Dr. Nick Begich will be here, and I have suspected for some time, in fact, as a replacement for our guest who came down with a sore throat, for some time I have...
And of course, HARP will be the subject with Dr. McVigich next hour.
First of all, I'd like to welcome another new affiliate, KMAX, in Colfax, Virginia, 840 on the dial in Colfax, Virginia.
And Bob Hauser, hello there, General Manager.
Steve Rubbs, the program director.
Great to have you on board.
I don't know precisely where Colfax is.
Somebody I'm sure will blast me or email me and let me know.
Now.
Again, it's pretty hard to know where to begin.
You know, about the awful attacks on Israel.
So we'll discuss that in a moment.
We'll discuss what is now the latest warning to all Americans.
Here it comes again.
Another warning to all Americans, folks.
Nonspecific but credible information that something is going to happen during the holiday season.
Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge announced the third government alert since the September 11th hijacking, saying the information doesn't point to any specific target or type of attack.
So that just sort of lets you imagine everything, and I guess anything is possible.
So Americans, you have been warned tonight for a third time that something's going to happen, or may happen.
In Israel, as you know, there have been a number of suicide attacks resulting in many, many injuries and quite a number of deaths, and Israel's had it.
I told you, if you remember Friday's program, I told you that something was cooking.
I knew it was.
Something was cooking in Israel.
There was increased military activity in Israel.
I knew something was up in Israel, and sure enough, it broke over the weekend.
Now, they are going to, they're declaring their own war on terrorism, kind of a brilliant move in a lot of ways.
Usually, the United States is always trying to get Israel to calm down, to show restraint, and to try and push forward no matter what happens with the peace process.
This time, two things are different.
One, we're involved in our own war against terrorism.
And there is a fierce fight going on, by the way, in southern Afghanistan, in Kandahar, outskirts of Kandahar.
How many Marines are involved, we're not sure.
But a fierce fight.
And while all of this is going on, the Middle East blows up.
It's my understanding that they're calling the PLO now a terrorist-aiding organization, Israelist.
And they've got tanks, apparently, near Arafat headquarters.
And almost anything can happen in the Middle East.
Boy, dangerous.
Talk about dangerous times.
We are engaged in Afghanistan.
The Middle East is blowing up.
And who knows what's going on over in Iraq?
Apparently, four Afghan factions agreed early Tuesday to get together on some sort of framework for a post-Taliban administration.
The deal just coming hours after the U.S. pressured the Northern Alliance to drop its objections.
In a night of very what's described as hectic diplomacy, U.S. appeals finally persuaded Northern Alliance leaders in Kabul to release a long, delayed list of candidates for an interim administration, so we're pressing hard.
But I said on Friday, and I say again tonight, I wonder if the new boss is going to be any different than the old boss.
I wonder what these people are really.
We don't really know what these factions are about, what they believe in, which one is going to prevail, whether a coalition really even can exist.
We don't know anything about any of that.
So what a mess we've got going on in the world right now, huh?
Our own war in Afghanistan that will probably spread from there.
And the Middle East disintegrating very quickly indeed.
Something to really think about.
Now, it finally, as I told you it would, was revealed Monday morning what it or Ginger is.
And what it is, is a scooter.
Inventor Dean Kamen quieted months of widespread buzz.
Actually, you know, the buzz had died down, really, of all about it.
The buzz had really died down.
And I think that's why, instead of, I guess you can read the story this way if you want to, but I would not have printed it this way.
The buzz had died down, and so they finally decided, I think, to announce it because as much publicity had been melked from it as possible.
It is a scooter.
As I told you, I thought a long time ago, it's based on the IBOC technology.
It's a gyro-stabilized scooter.
That's all it is.
It doesn't fly.
It doesn't defy gravity.
It does stand up straight, as by the way, you must If you're on this scooter, in other words, it's two wheels, and that's what the gyros are all about.
You know, keeping it stable, it'll do, what, about 13 miles an hour, like a lot of electric scooters, about 13 miles an hour.
Without question, it's interesting, but you've got to stand up.
And that would be a major complaint and sticking point for me.
You've got to stand up.
It looks like a pretty good personal transportation vehicle.
You know, I've thought for a long time that scooters are really the way to go.
I've got them.
I've got one called a Buzz, and it's awesome.
Really awesome.
But it's cool because you get to sit down.
With this, it, you have to stand.
And they showed it going through water and up little ramps and stuff like that.
Pretty cool.
But not anti-gravity and not as cool as a lot of people had formed it up to be in their mind.
And again, very much formed up around the I-BOT, which was our best guess, you'll recall.
So there you've got it.
You may have comments on it.
Were you disappointed in it?
Will you run out and buy it?
It, I understand, will be about $3,000.
The beefed up version of it, going to be used by some postal authorities or delivering people, mail delivery people to deliver the mail.
That'll cost a whole lot more, actually.
But for the consumer model, maybe around $3,000.
You know, and he says things like, why do you need 3,000 pounds of steel around you to go up to the store?
Well, you don't, really.
On the other hand, if some of those people maintain the 3,000 or 4,000 pounds of steel about them, and you're on it, well, there's no...
I wonder if it can go anywhere anybody can walk.
Whether it'll be legal on sidewalks and that sort of thing.
You know, an it-person collision would not be good.
An it-vehicle collision would be really bad.
But there it is, anyway.
I'm sure some of you may have comments on it.
It's just irresistible, you know, with that name, not to use it.
Okay, open minds for the balance of this hour coming up.
There are a couple of other things.
There are earthquake swarms going on now in the Spokane area.
For some time, Spokane has been experiencing just swarm, earthquake after earthquake after earthquake.
And I wonder what it is that's going on up there.
Some sort of fault line that may have escaped the experts' attention until now.
They're not sure.
But apparently that may well be the case.
They're feeling all kinds of small earthquakes.
Now, whether that portends something wider or not, you know, you have to have a crystal ball.
Worldwide, now this may not surprise a lot of you, worldwide, fish catches are not just down, they are plummeting.
The number of fish that fishermen worldwide are able to catch is plummeting.
A team of scientists based at the University of British Columbia at Vancouver found that global catches thought in the 1990s to be increasing by 700 million pounds of fish per year, guess what, have actually been decreasing instead by 800 million pounds annually.
So somebody got their numbers way wrong, way wrong.
Are you surprised?
I'm certainly not.
They had numbers.
Now, again, let's think about this, showing there was a big increase in the number of fish being caught by about 700 million.
That's a lot.
But now they're wrong, and not just by that number, but by over twice that number.
Actually, it's decreasing by nearly 800 million pounds annually.
I had a question about kind of a phenomenon I've been experiencing since I was younger.
Whenever I go to sleep at night, as I'm laying there and I start to relax and drift in that happy middle place, I start to hear what sounds like thousands and thousands and thousands of voices talking loudly.
And I can't understand any of any words or anything, but it's kind of disturbing, frankly.
Well, are you really sure that you would specifically describe it that way as thousands of voices, or could you describe it as sort of a gigantic hum or vibration?
unidentified
Oh, no, it definitely sounds like people speaking.
The other thing that I have is sometimes it'll be like a singular voice where I can never pick out an actual word, but it sounds like somebody just yells my name or just yells something, a phrase, a sentence, something, and it kind of makes me start back to reality.
I was just wondering if you had ever heard anything like that or if any of your callers had called in with a similar problem.
You know, I understand there are a lot of fundamentalists, and I give them voice when they want it, who think the Earth is only 6,000 years old, and that all of the evidence, actually, the mountains of evidence now, that we're not only very old,
but that we're a whole lot older than even we think and even the scientists think, and that man has been tromping about, or some version of man, on Earth for a really, really long time.
That was going to be the center of a discussion tonight regarding Atlantis, but again, my guest is ill, sore throat, and so that'll have to be rescheduled.
Nevertheless, I find it increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to buy into these 6,000.
You know, man has only been on the planet for 6,000 years theory.
That creation virtually occurred that long ago.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, this is our Trucker Ken from Running Level Country.
Well, I'm watching the sun very carefully, as always.
I've done that all my life, and our sun is really going berserko.
In fact, if you're a ham radio operator, as I am, you might have experienced openings now to Europe, Europe on 50 megahertz, six meters, which is astounding.
Not unheard of, but absolutely astounding.
And I say that as I comment on the general world situation.
Wars, rumors of wars, terrorism.
It's all happening.
The financial market's askew.
Everything is caddywampus.
Environmentally, it's a disaster out there.
And to a large degree, I blame a lot of human behavior and misbehavior on activity on the sun.
And the way the earth affects the, rather, the way the sun affects the earth's magnetic field and hence all of us.
The one thing that does bother me is after that, after I've finished myself, my next clone, I'm not sure which would be my first choice, possibly Bo Derrick or Crystal Gale.
You know, I think what's going to drive up the cost of stamps is the fact that not as many people are using the mails, and it's going to cause that's causing a terrible thing.
I mean, you cannot imagine what's, I can barely imagine what's occurring to the post office right now.
I feel sorry for them.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, maybe if they change their procedure as far as no more drop boxes, everybody has to get a fingerprint instead of a stamp, you know, and then they could be able to trace a fingerprint on the letter.
That's one of the type things that we're going to be talking about tonight with Nick Begich.
This whole privacy thing.
unidentified
You know, with the 911, when 911 happened and everybody was blaming the government for not seeing this terrorist attack coming, I think that's why you have every now and then this is the third disclosure where they are saying America be careful because something is going to happen.
I think the evidence is clearly, very clearly mounting for anybody who really wants to look at it.
And I understand there are a lot of people who don't.
You know, that man has been here for a very, very long time and had technologies that we don't have today.
We've gone down a different sort of path, a linear technological path.
And our science is sort of straight ahead in one direction with physics as we understand them.
And it may be there was a whole different set of physics that allowed people in a different time, a different era, to do things that we do now in a different way.
and i think maybe we i'm hoping when i'm hoping this is all about eventually if we were up with russia we will finally form a counterbalance from twenty years of being blackmailed by the saudis i think we had a former national wind farm reserve down the middle of the country and put up a huge amount of windmills we did we get an energy for the whole country but we should be doing the windmill thing and solar panels and all the rest of them we should have been doing doing it for a long time.
Absolutely.
That would be true, security.
Back to it, though.
I must say I was a bit disappointed.
It was kind of what I expected.
But, I mean, it didn't even have a hydrogen power source.
Yeah, I don't know that it justifies the hype that came before it.
unidentified
But, Art, there is a device that would be revolutionary.
I think I heard you musing, I think it was Friday when Open Lines, you were talking about you wished you had a magic hovering carpet that would hover silently through the air?
And also, we had a caller officer actually from Connecticut as well that was talking about that when they go into a, when they're starting to fall asleep, they hear voices and everything.
Yes.
And I myself have two sleep disorders.
So I've kind of gone through a lot of this in the past 15 years.
And one of the things that my therapist was telling me that was quite interesting was what happens is before you get into that lucid dream state, as you're falling asleep, what happens is it's kind of like you're getting into REM state to where you can have dreams.
But as we know, we've set several thousand dreams that we're lucky if we're conscious of a single one of them.
Every now and then, certain influences come out in that state, and we're conscious of it because we're not totally achieving REM sleep.
Yeah, that's because you're in a particularly vulnerable moment.
unidentified
Yeah, but it's really interesting.
For instance, if you're falling asleep, how many times have you got that quick flinch where you're jumping, like you think you're falling or something is coming up?
Of course, different pharmacology will affect different people in a different way.
Some people may react as you did.
Some may react as I did.
I'm allergic to codeine, and it's kind of interesting what happened.
This was a lot of years ago, and I went to the dentist, and the dentist did some pretty substantial work on me.
And at the end of it all, gave me some codeine, you know, to go away with to feel better for the day.
I think actually it was after two or three root canals and some bridge work.
And this was many, many years ago, and I'll tell you how many years ago.
You'll know in a second.
I took the codeine and went with a gal, an acquaintance of mine, a gal, to a drive-in movie theater.
And the codeine reaction set in while I was at the drive-in movies.
We don't have drive-in movies anymore.
I guess there are a few scattered around the country, but by and large, they're gone.
Anyway, we went to a drive-in movie theater, and the codeine reaction hit.
You know, I have that allergy, and I passed out, you know, right in the car watching the movie.
Passed out.
Well, they called an ambulance to come and Get me.
And the ambulance came roaring into the theater.
And I don't know how many of you remember the old drive-in theaters, but one way they prevented you from sneaking into the drive-in was they would put these spikes, which I'm sure you all know about, that if you're going the wrong way, they call it severe tire damage.
Actually, it totally shreds your tire.
Well, the ambulance, of course, wasn't taking its time.
It was trying to get to me very quickly, and it came roaring in the wrong way.
And all you could hear was boom, boom, boom, boom, four explosions, as this ambulance screams over this wrong way spike, set of spikes.
And then I never did take the ambulance to the hospital anyway.
So they had to be towed away.
They put it up in a flatbed and took the ambulance away, but not me.
I knew from then on codeine was not for me, and the ambulance company, I presume, knew which way to come into that theater after that.
East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Yes, Mr. Bell.
How are you this evening?
I'd like to just comment on your policy that you were...
What I was talking about was individual isolationism.
In other words, if something occurs, a biological release of some sort or some other terrorist act in this country, there may be a period of time when, for your own safety and that of your family, you might have to isolate yourself.
I'm an amateur radio operator, worked for a large, let's say, aerospace company, worked TRF and so forth.
But, you know, as far as amateur radio and the sun and so forth, what we were talking about, if you think about what's going on now, and the time is 2001, and we have going on what's going on now, if you go back 11 years.
All right, now, Dr. comes Dr. Nick Begich, eldest son of a U.S. Congressman from Alaska, Nick Begich Sr. and political activist Peggy Begich.
He is a very well-known Alaskan for his own political activities, was twice elected president of both the Alaska Federation of Teachers and the Anchorage Council of Education, has been pursuing independent research in the sciences and politics for most of his adult life.
Begich received his doctorate in traditional medicine from the Open International University for Contemporary Medicines in November 1994.
So it's Dr. Begich.
He co-authored the book Angels Don't Play This Harp, Advances in Tesla Technology, and wrote Towards a New Alchemy, The Millennium Science.
His latest book, Earth Rising, The Revolution Toward a Thousand Years of Peace, co-authored with James Roderick in December of 99, also editor of the Earth Pulse Flashpoints, a continuing new science book series.
Begich has published articles in science, politics, and education.
He's a well-known lecturer, having presented throughout the U.S. and in 19 countries, has been featured as a guest on thousands of radio broadcasts reporting his research activities, including new technologies, health, and earth science-related issues.
He's also appeared on dozens of TV documentaries and other programs throughout the world, including BBC, CBC, Telemundo, and, of course, many others.
Doctor, in the last hour, somebody called about the post office, and he was talking about he thought eventually everybody would be fingerprinted and wouldn't be allowed to send mail or something unless they were specifically identified.
Of course, now you can just put a letter with a bunch of poison in it and mail it off and cause all kinds of havoc, as was done.
But surely, with these threats, with terrorism, with the war, with everything that's going on right now, it's inevitable security measures are coming.
You know, this is probably the single biggest area that's sort of sleeping right now in terms of people really recognizing how much can come and how quick and how fast the temperature can change.
Because just the idea of, say, a thumbprint to mail a letter, a year ago, that would have been considered pretty intrusive for most people's points of view.
And today, today that's a much different equation and something I think that's not too far off.
One of the first things along this line, of course, has been the discussion of smart card technologies for affirmative identifications.
And as I think most people know now, the military unveiled their smart card for introduction for access to almost every electronic system in the military.
But this same technology has been posed for either visitors to the United States to go in conjunction with passports or even for U.S. citizens where all of us are required, some form of ID with a biometric measure, which is a measure that takes some unique characteristic that's uniquely our own, whether it's a thumbprint, which most of us are familiar with, or even digitized voice information or iris scans.
A number of things can be used for tracking that kind of data.
And my sort of predictions on that, based on how we're seeing the technology unfold and what we've seen over really the last seven or eight years even, you first see the introduction of the smart ID card into military circles for obvious control and ease of access and control of access situations.
But the other thing that shows up in sort of the next leap is then, of course, to foreign travelers.
And most people don't object to some form of very positive, verifiable ID for people visiting as guests in our country.
The next place where you see it is in frequent travelers.
In fact, one of the suggestions by the airline industry is the trusted traveler card.
Now, so I guess that means everyone who doesn't get one is the untrusted trusted traveler.
And the idea from the industry was to get very specific biometric data, things that identified an individual absolutely so that people who frequently flew could bypass some of the more stringent security checks based on more thorough backwatch on the individuals.
And that sort of a step actually rings back to something we wrote about in our first book and even in our last one a couple years ago, which was the idea of biocircuitry implants, the fusion of biological material with electronic material.
And this first showed up in the military literature in 1989 that we found, and it was in a U.S. Army War College document that was called The Revolution of Military Affairs.
And it talked about sort of the advancement of new technologies and what was coming, one of those things being implantable technologies.
But what it also said in this paper was that it was, you know, it's contrary to American values that in order for those kinds of technologies to be introduced, values would have to be changed.
And interestingly enough, the two scenarios they suggested would change those values were fear and panic developed or created by either international terrorism or international drug trafficking or a little bit of each.
In fact, there was a conference back in 1997 that Secretary of Defense William Cohen and Senators Luger, and I think it was Nunn, was the other U.S. Senator.
It was at the University of Georgia in April of 97 on weapons of mass destruction and international terrorism.
And in that conference, one of the big concerns that he actually expressed was this idea of how much will we give up as Americans individually in terms of civil liberties in exchange for safety and security.
And I think that's really the crux of what we've seen change.
But, you know, obviously if something else occurs, and it could easily, based on a lot of stories I've heard about security since then, then there's going to be some real tightening.
I mean, there's the security of the planet in terms of airports.
But even general European traffic is more well controlled.
I mean, when you look out on the tarmac at a Skivil airport in the Netherlands and you see a truck pull up to an airplane, two people with automatic weapons meet them, and the people come off the truck, they're searched, their carts are searched, and then they load the food.
There's a lot more going on and has been overseas that I don't feel, at the first time I went through European Customs, where they actually do a personal interview with every single person getting on the plane, that's a pretty intense experience.
You've got a guy about five inches from your face asking you 50 questions, and if you're not expecting it, it's quite unnerving.
But that's the level of security that's been there for some time, multiple security checks, personal interviews, and very stringent activity on the tarmac.
Unfortunately, I think the percentage is probably around 60 percent, I'd say, and climbing as things intensify.
And I think that what we've seen in the last few months might seem like positive movement in terms of containing the threat.
But in actuality, I think it's maybe an expression, a little bit of frustration, because the threat is much different than any threat we've had before.
And quite frankly, I don't think we've done a lot to solve the real problem underlying all of this, which is a type of mindset, a type of anti-Americanism that springs from all kinds of faulted policies of the past and for a lot of other reasons.
But the fact is, you know, we're facing a very different kind of warfare environment and one that many have been concerned about for the better part of a decade in terms of military planners, at least from what we've seen.
And this project is here based in Alaska, and we've been, of course, I think, in fact, you were the first major person on radio to take this story public.
In fact, we did this same topic almost six years ago to this week at least that we first went on the air on that very subject.
And the stated goals of the HAARP project in Alaska, all these antennas and all this power, which concentrates from a broad beam on the ground to a very narrow beam where it hits the ionosphere, the stated goals of this project are what?
Well, the first issue was communications with submarines communication at depth.
And in order to accomplish that, they needed to figure out a way to generate what's called a long wave, an extremely low frequency signal.
What they do with HAARP is it's a large radio transmitter on the ground, and by manipulating the energy, by pulsing that energy into the ionosphere, this layer that starts about 30 miles above the Earth's surface, they're able to actually cause the ionosphere to modulate or vibrate.
And when it does, it sends a signal back to the Earth in this ELF, extremely low frequency range that actually penetrates the Earth and sea and allows for the communication with submarines.
Another sort of side effect of that is a certain amount of that signal is reflected back.
And if you have sensitive instruments on the ground that can analyze that reflection, you can actually deduce with a great degree of accuracy exactly what's under the ground, whether it's underground tunnels, bunkers, oil reserves, certain types of minerals show up pretty dramatically.
Yeah, it releases a good deal of energy in the ionosphere if it's manipulated in just the right way.
But one of the things that's important to note is this idea of earth-penetrating tomography back in 95, 96 when they were debating this in the Congress, it was determined that the only way they would get additional funding is if they could prove that particular use.
And so they did create the modulation in the ionosphere.
In fact, it was reported by Professor Papadopoulos, who was at the University of Maryland at the time involved in the HARP project in BBC on a program called Horizons, where they described how they were able to locate underground mining facilities in the area of Fairbanks with a great degree of accuracy.
Well, this is a great point because, you know, when we first interviewed one of the key players on this project, John Heckscher, who was at that time the PR guy for the military.
Well, he was suggesting at one point when we interviewed him that wouldn't this have been nice to have during the Gulf War for exactly that purpose, locating those underground facilities that we suspected had the biological and chemical, maybe even some dirty atomic sort of plants that they may have had there.
The reality is a lot of money has been pumped into this over the years.
And we've tracked it through the years, and what they've done in the last, say, four or five years is the initiative for missile defense.
And we had always said in the very beginning that one of the main issues with HAARP was to design a better missile defense system that would have a more versatile instrument in terms of detection and surveillance.
And that's what HARP offered that was different from the prior technology.
But the other issue is this whole idea of locating underground facilities, whether it's Korea or Iraq or now Afghanistan, this technology is critical when you're fighting in this kind of war environment.
It's a much different environment.
Being able to look into the earth offers incredible advantages.
And we're talking about not just a few hundred feet, but perhaps as many as several kilometers deep.
Well, from what's been described, pretty high resolution, and even going back to technologies developed in the 80s, there was a guy named Brooks Agnew.
He was doing work in earth-penetrating tomography using very, very low amounts of power, but creating a resonance signal that easily transferred through the earth and came back even back in, say, the 80s, with enough computing power available then to analyze with what he described as 99.9% accuracy,
and that was analyzing 26 known drilling cores done by Halliburton, oil and gas, in nine different states through various types of strata.
And they had that kind of accuracy in determining what was there, and even to the grade of the oil and gas, which is pretty phenomenal.
And, you know, one of the things that they indicated very clearly is where this technology is based in the fact that the full power contracts that are being negotiated now, even in the last few weeks, with Arco Power Technologies, Inc., which was later bought out by eSystems and then Raytheon Corporation, has actually begun the negotiating process for full power.
All right, I think I'm caught up now in my commercials.
And once again, here's Dr. Nick Begich.
So, a billion watts of effective radiated power.
That's an enormous amount of power.
Enough so that, and we're just covering this as quickly as we can, along with looking at underground tunnels and bunkers and all the rest of it, topography, all the rest of it.
There could be biological effects on human beings because if it can get underground, it has to first go through those who are above ground.
In fact, this, again, was a major area of interest to us because it turns out that extremely low frequency signals can have a tremendous effect on human physiology.
In fact, there was an article that was published in, it was called Decoding the Minds and Foiling Adversaries.
It was in Signal Magazine 2001, October's issue.
And this is the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association's journal.
And when they were talking about sort of new technologies that affect human behavior, one of the things they remind us of in that article is the event in Japan where the flicker of a light coming off of a television screen was sufficient to cause 700 children to have epileptic seizures a few years ago.
And light coming from a television screen is considered harmless in most cases.
But the flicker rate hit this extremely low frequency range, this particular range that allows for reactions within the brain.
The same can be created by any number of external signal drivers, whether it were a flashing light signal from a television screen or even the very subtle energy returning to the earth after a heartburst.
If you hit the right window frequencies, this is where these effects can occur.
In the case of the flickering light, it affected that same portion of the brain that would be responsible for the visual system.
But at the same time, what they have found is any number of carriers can create the same effect.
The idea of using even a signal embedded, say, on a radio broadcast or a television broadcast, this is something that was reported to have been used in the Gulf War, something the Scottish media reported after the events.
But the idea of using a system like HAARP where you're trying to create an earth-penetrating, say, tomography application where you're looking into the Earth to see what's under the surface of the ground, that same signal could actually have a tremendous impact on the people living there.
Well, you know, the thing about HARP is you've got to be able to reflect the signal over the horizon to a certain level.
But what they've done is they've essentially built a number of transmitters of a similar nature.
We now know of at least two additional transmitters in Alaska.
A number have been built across Canada.
In fact, one researcher, Rosalie Bertel, who had done quite a bit of work, she's a physicist and an MD, published a book in Europe on the Canadian system, and then there's also the Izikat system in Europe.
And we're talking about huge amounts of energy directed in a way never contemplated before.
At the same time, what the research showed at Stanford University is interesting is that if you hit certain window frequencies, just like triggering those instabilities in the human mind, you can create instabilities in the ionosphere.
In the VLF range, it was found that once the signal reaches the upper ionosphere, which is several hundred kilometers out, and couples with the magnetosphere, VLF energy generated in the right frequency range causes the amplification effect of up to 1,000 times.
And what happens is it picks up on the energy that's there and triggers the release of energy that's already available.
And that's where HAARP has perhaps the greatest risk and the greatest potentials from a military perspective, is this sort of nonlinear effect, this ability to take a small amount of energy and then create a huge amount of energy.
Absolutely.
And this is, again, you know, and sort of the rush to these kinds of dilemmas is the idea that, okay, now the science will sort of accelerate.
There weren't very many controls on this to begin with.
Now there's even less.
And I think that can be problematic for lots of different reasons.
And I think the reasons that we've been writing and saying what we have for the last six or seven years has been really to try and avoid sort of the rush to panic or the rush to enact a lot of law without a lot of consideration.
And I think a careful review of the history and the evolution of these technologies is pretty clear on what the risks can entail.
Well, they're always going to balance potential risks against current potential risks to all of us.
In other words, it's all a scale.
And I'm sure that what's going on right now is tipping the balance very much in their direction, both politically, and of course that's going to mean money too, right?
I mean, the missile defense system, you know, we were tracking it back in 95, and we said back then that this would lead to the eventual abrogation or renegotiation of the ABM Treaty, which is exactly what the dialogue has been about the last few years.
And in Earth Rising, when we really got into the subject of sort of where does the missile defense system goes, to a certain extent, we think a lot of it's been sort of misdirected.
I mean, when you look at missile-to-missile intercepts, we think that's a misdirection.
The real interest is in new energy technologies that can intercept missiles, but more importantly, the idea is to be able to detect before the launch and avoid the problem to begin with.
And that's where the earth-penetrating tomography comes in.
That's where some of the more sophisticated surveillance technologies actually start to play into the formulas of national defense.
And, you know, the way that the country is postured on this, which is kind of interesting, is they basically said, look, we're going to build the whole system.
And when we're all done, we won't be in violation of the treaty unless we throw the switch.
And, you know, yeah, I know.
I react the same way.
It's like, if the Chinese were saying that to us, we would not be standing still, nor have the Chinese nor the Russians.
But things are in flux right now.
There's a lot of political trade-offs being orchestrated that maybe wouldn't have happened even a few months ago.
So who knows?
I mean, I personally think the missile defense system is going to go through.
I don't have any doubt in my mind that whatever problems the Russians have used to negotiate whatever it is they're looking for in life these days is going to happen, and we're going to see this thing advance.
And I think the idea of international terrorism as a catalyst for a whole lot of change, that is here to stay.
And I think what we saw on September 11th is the first volley in a very long and drawn-out conflict that's going to create a much different world.
In fact, again, this whole idea of sort of looking at the human being as the prime driver in military operations, I think we all can understand that.
And what's changed and what started showing up in the literature even a couple of decades ago, but more so recently, is this idea that attacking the human being in a much more different way by affecting the brain itself.
And this has resulted in numerous patents and technologies, but the latest is a couple of things that showed up, again, in military journals.
One of them is the idea of being able to literally tell what emotional state or even specific thoughts an individual might have.
And the way they're doing this, it's interesting, is it requires huge amounts of computing power in order to interpret the complex signals of the human brain and then establish sort of patterns that are repeated no matter which human brain is monitored while they're thinking very specific thoughts.
So it takes a while to build the database, but as computing capacity increases, this becomes...
In other words, the sonar, if it gets a bit of a listen, can actually goes right into the computer and it spits out exactly what class, in fact, what boat it is.
And so they know exactly what submarine they're hearing, even at a great distance.
Are they doing the same thing basically with the human mind, listening to it and discerning between, as they do between submarines and whales and other sea life?
In fact, in Air and Space for the 21st Century, which was put together by the Air Force Science Advisory Board a number of years ago, one of their predictions for the next, well, now it would be about 15 years, is the idea that you'd be able to actually delete complete memory sets and create synthetic ones and replace them with them.
In other words, the ultimate training tool for military trainers would be this type of technology.
In other words, a complete memory configuration, say a whole portion of your given memory could be erased, just like hitting the delete button on a computer.
But again, you're talking about sort of the futuristic views of some of the military planners, but when you look at it collectively, and I guess that's what we do, is we look at it sort of over the course of time and try and put it in one place.
And when you look at it, from a military perspective, the idea of being able to come in and, say, train a technical person in a relatively short period of time by being able to do this might be highly advantageous.
But the problem comes in, and this was voiced by a guy named Shmirnov, who worked in the psychocorrection labs in the Soviet Union, the mind control labs of the former Soviet Union, USSR Academy of Sciences.
And he actually said that, and others have repeated this, is the idea that you bypass the normal mental filters when information is put in in this way.
In other words, you don't have that portion of the brain that filters out right and wrong, good and evil.
Essentially, it's, as he said, like a commandment of God.
It can't be resisted once that information is loaded in.
Even reading minds, how would you, for example, delineate between, let's say I was in a state where I was really pissed at my boss or my wife or somebody close to me, oh, raging angry.
How would they delineate between that and somebody who had intent to do, you know, had a bomb or whatever all?
Well, kind of the way they see that, at least the first generations of this, is they're really trying to eliminate what they consider to be the highest risk potentials.
And this is, again, where these technologies are sloppy in their infancy.
At least I would not expect the first generation of this kind of device to be able to discern one kind of anger from another, but pick up those portions of the brain that are associated with anger in most people and be able to deduce that somebody is angry.
So they maybe subject you to the search that the other guy doesn't get.
But again, this is sort of the beginning, at least in the public literature, of a desired objective of military planners for at least two decades.
Yeah, essentially what they're saying is, again, sort of pushing towards this sort of transparency of the human being.
This is the ultimate lie detector, if you will.
I mean, it'll determine all kinds of basic information that they already know from the basic mapping of the brain that we already have completed.
The thing that becomes interesting is when you start to think about not just the idea of reading what's there, but manipulating what's there, you know, then where does it, you know, it starts to raise all kinds of cloudy questions like what happens to the rules of evidence in court proceedings?
What happens to training?
And who decides who educates children and what technologies might be used in the future?
And, you know, when you look at just the whole idea of technologies advancing in these areas and the idea that very little regulation constraining the use is being considered, but a great deal is being done right now to allow sort of free reign of a number of organizations to develop new technologies with even more autonomy and less scrutiny.
You know, you run into a number of questions start to come up, not just in terms of rules of evidence, but I mean, think about First Amendment liberties that start off with the freedom to think freely.
Boy, talk about running into the Fourth Amendment.
Holy man, well, they could look into your mind, or even worse, actually hit the delete key on parts of your memory and your thinking.
And so those are the things we're working on, huh?
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Well, I think it's time to get ready To realize just what I have found I have been only half of what I am It's all clear to me now Once again, Dr. Nick Begich.
Dr. Begich, I can't imagine a bigger violation of human rights than either to have your mind read even under present circumstances, or even worse yet, to have memories deleted.
You know, this whole area of what many have now coined the phrase mind control technologies, which is really what it's about.
I mean, we've looked at this issue for years, and just what shows up in the public literature is pretty astounding.
I mean, New World Vistas, Air and Space for the 21st Century, the ancillary volume, which was put together by the Science Advisory Board for the Air Force, it's pretty incredible the kinds of things that they expect to see happening.
Not only the ability to interpret the signals of the brain, but actually be able to even talk to an adversary.
In fact, in one line of that document, I'll read it because it's pretty clear what it's intended to imply.
It says, it would also appear possible to create high-fidelity speech in the human body, raising the possibility of covert suggestion and psychological direction.
Thus, it may be possible to talk to selected adversaries in a fashion that would be most disturbing to them.
And this is a pretty standard issue that we get confronted with fairly frequently.
Over the years, we hear from people regularly that complain about it.
And the problem, of course, is figuring out who is really indeed being inflicted by perhaps an experimental technology and who is just having a lot of other problems.
But it's pretty tough to discern.
I mean, we can't figure it out from where we sit in a lot.
In fact, if you go back to the 1960s and 70s when the first experiments in this area were being done, the MKUltra work, one of the things that was concluded from those investigations was they picked out people in ordinary walks of life to see what the effect would be, because that would be the real effect in an environment where you would use such a technology.
And when you think about this, recently we've heard the war of asymmetric warfare, this idea of throwing something at the adversary totally unexpected and unanticipated.
And we've been saying the adversary, in this case, terrorists are doing this to us, but in fact, this is a double-edged sword.
Any new technology introduced in the battle environment has those components, the idea of unexpected and unanticipated and essentially no way to guard against.
And we've used those new technologies in every conflict we've been involved in since probably the Middle Ages when gunpowder was first introduced.
Well, if you heard my first hour, you heard my comments, I think, about what I believe with respect to the sun's activity, the solar cycle, its effect on our magnetic field, and its effect on all of us.
Yeah, you know, there was a guy that did a study on that some years ago, and it was pretty interesting.
I can't remember the guy's name, but he went back, you know, all through the various periods of depressions and major conflicts and analyzed that against solar activity and found that there were great correlations.
And the same is true, you know, about the, if you think about the sun's effect on the moon when the light is polarized, when it's reflected off the moon, and the idea of lunacy or the word lunatic coming from associations with the moon.
Well, you know, that's statistically borne out in modern studies of the effects of lunar activity.
But here we are talking about specifically designed high-intensity weapons, which are basically, when you think about it, using the same sort of technological effect that, right?
Because one of the things, when you look at, for instance, going back to HARP for a moment, when you look at what HARP's intended to do is modify the ionosphere, this area of our environment is responsible for clean communications.
Well, when solar activity disturbs the ionosphere, those communications don't take effect.
A lot of strange things can happen with power grids and sensitive electronics.
But the idea of being able to deliberately do this and then perhaps having not just effects on machines, but also effects on human beings.
In fact, there was a Chinese report that came out some months ago that was released by the Central Intelligence Agency before all of this nonsense arose with just the whole approach to terrorism.
When they were still releasing data, one of the things that came out was a Chinese sort of initiative in new technologies along these same lines, some targeting just hardware, some human beings or the modern software, and then some combination of each.
And energy weapons really are the essence of not just surveillance technology, but deliberate replacements for ordinance with a specific idea in mind.
And one of those comes out, you know, again, in earlier press reports on these kinds of issues.
One of the things that came up with the whole development of what are called non-lethal technologies shows up with a quote.
This is from a paper called Non-lethal Technology and Air Power, a Winning Combination for Strategic Paralysis by Air Chronicles, written in, I guess it was 97.
And what it says is, if we use non-lethal technology to achieve paralysis, eliminate unintentional killing, and erase signs of visible destruction, then perhaps in some situations we can rid the news of sensationalism without a riveting story to tell the medium, media may be silenced, unquote.
That's pretty disturbing when you think of the motivation behind scientism.
I mean, just the whole idea of creating sort of neat killing events that don't create the clutter of destruction.
I mean, that's basically what it's saying.
This idea that we can somehow kill politely, I suppose, is what's denoted there.
And that disturbs me, I think, more than anything.
I mean, when we wrote Earthrising the Revolution, it was written as a warning for exactly the circumstances we find ourselves in today.
The idea that fear and panic has gripped the country, gripped the globe in a way where people are running to what they think is safety, when, in fact, if we give up all of these things, if we sort of set them aside and accept this sort of big brother mentality, then maybe these guys really did win.
By the way, I know you comment a lot on politics, so let me ask you about this.
Tonight, we received, today, yesterday now, my time zone, we received another warning from our own government of something potentially coming or about to happen.
Not specific.
It's never specific.
It just sort of says, they sort of say, well, here's a warning.
We have credible, nonspecific information that something bad may be about to happen.
I mean, a nonspecific threat basically makes, creates, again, an environment of fear.
And I can tell you, when you look at what occurs with human beings in an environment of fear, if you look at the brain activity, just in basic terms of brain activity of humans in fear and panic, you cannot make rational decisions.
Odds are, if you make any rational decisions, it'll be pure chance.
And listen, people who are either angry, anger masks rationality, of course, and fear masks it as well.
Both of those cause you to make completely irrational decisions, and you've got to sort of recognize you're in that state and refrain from making important decisions.
And this is, again, why I think writers and researchers who have taken these subjects on have tried to take them on in an environment of calm rather than an environment of uncertainty.
And that's, you know, when you look at the rush through legislation, you know, one of the big things was this anti-terrorism bill, which I guess they renamed the Patriot Bill.
And, you know, the thing about it is, you know, there was a big call for sunset provisions so that it would be re-looked at in 2004, I believe, or 2005.
The problem was, even with the sunset provisions in the bill, there were a number of sections excluded from those sunset provisions.
You know, those excluded sections are important for maintaining at least the level of civil liberties we once enjoyed in the state.
This is information before there's an indictment, before there's a sense of guilt.
The procedures for disclosure of information are not sunsetted under this provision.
The employment of translators, that's understandable.
Designation of judges and new courts.
The idea and scope of subpoenas for records of electronic communications aren't sunsetted in this.
Some clarifications as to scope are really unclear.
The authority for delaying notice of the execution of a warrant is not sunsetted under this provision.
And the delays can be as long as 90 days.
Modification of authorities relating to the use of pen registers and traps and trace devices.
This is using new technologies for electronic communications.
The idea of single jurisdiction search warrants for terrorism, that's probably understandable.
Trade sanctions, that's probably understandable.
But the assistance to law enforcement agencies is ill-defined, and probably the biggest, most glaring is any ongoing investigation, but that's not well-defined.
So does that mean every group that we tag or name in the course of the next four years that we say are now open to investigation, they're not going to sense it under this provision, which could be every single organization under the sun that might be slightly.
And the thing about it is the agencies granted this authority, the Central Intelligence Agency and the FBI, are agencies that periodically, and even in the weeks before the September 11th event, were being called on the carpet for inappropriate use of their power and authority and poor management and mismanagement of evidence and other considerations in a number of major investigations.
These are the very same people now that we have vested additional powers, additional ability to reach into our private lives without additional accountability.
And that's another major flaw in this legislation, the accountability factor.
All right, if we're going to give them more rules and regulations in terms of what it's going to do to us in terms of privacy, then let's hold them to a higher standard of accountability, not a lower standard of accountability.
If American civil liberties are being set aside, then let's ask those charged with responsibility of guarding those civil liberties to be accountable for what mistakes they might make in the process.
I think there's at least at some point I agree that we have to sort of recognize the position we're in, but at the same time, this is where sunset provisions in these laws, you have the Congress telling us they are there when, in fact, they are not there.
They are there only in part.
I think those are the important provisions that need to exist.
And I think that's, again, where those different ways, as we look at each of these things, need to be developed in concert with good, smart domestic law.
Let's look at the anti-terrorism implications again.
You know, recently, the anti-terrorism bill was passed that had a whole lot to do with the use of the Internet for terrorist acts.
But, you know, for other forms of harassment, laws that protect American citizens still don't exist on the books in most states, including this one, where a person can take your identity, set up a website, do all kinds of things in your name, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
And some of us, me included, have been victimized by that very event.
Sure, sure, sure.
And even since September 11th, and you know, if you call the FBI and complain today as a private citizen for that kind of an infraction?
Good luck.
Yeah, they don't have time to even return your call.
And the sad story is, is who's watching the rest of the hen house of the United States right now in terms of federal law enforcement?
And it's getting a little bit scant in terms of the other things.
The other issue that comes up with a highly surveyed society, which is essentially what is happening, it's not necessarily the sophisticated terrorist that becomes the headline, but they'll actually be targeting probably less sophisticated individuals, which will give the appearance of some sense of control.
But in fact, they're catching people they probably would have caught in any case over time.
I mean, the percentages still of failure is high as well.
I don't want to overstate their capacity.
In Great Britain, where they're used extensively, and again, Earthrising talks a lot about what happened in Great Britain with the development of this technology, first for crime neighborhoods and then in a broader scale.
But they're used there.
They're used in neighborhoods in Florida.
They're also used in a number of neighborhoods in terms of developing the technology around the country.
But the Secret Service actually is going to be monitoring the Super Bowl again this year with technology.
I assume they're going to use the same again because it was fairly effective.
They were able to pick out felons.
And the technology, if you get a good straight-on shot, they can even go through facial hair and disguises of various kinds because essentially you're picking out really detailed markers in terms of the facial markers and comparing photographic images and so on.
And this has been, again, the idea of sort of scanning a crowd.
Think about it in terms of the evolution of some of the, again, why I'm concerned about civil liberties, the evolution of these non-lethal technologies and surveillance technologies, and then the deployment of those into regional police forces for things like monitoring protests like the WTO, the idea of having your face scanned in a crowd when you're assembling peaceably.
And the concern comes up when you look at the original protocols from 1994 between Department of Defense and the Department of Justice where the development of non-lethals under a priority were those that could be used both domestically, for policing purposes, and overseas.
And that's an important point, I think a well-made point.
And just before the break, when we were talking about this joint protocol between Justice and Department of Defense, one of the things that it says that people that will be subject to this technology are Those that are opposed to government policy or adversaries of the government, as are defined loosely in that document.
The thing is, it's anyone that opposes American policy.
That would be anyone that stands up and says, hey, look, I don't like what our government is doing.
I think it ought to be a different way.
That happens to be the very cornerstone of this democratic republic, the idea that we can openly dissent, have those kind of conversations, and result in something.
Or thoughts, in particular, the things that lead to being able to have those specific ideas.
But let's take a look at that for a second, and let's look at where the technology goes.
If you start to think about the idea that how many times in our lives have we thought something that we actually didn't do because it was wrong, you're right.
I mean, who can count those times, right?
Now, all of a sudden, now your activity that goes on in the brain is suspect because you might have thoughts that you don't act on.
Now, that is, to me, the greatest of invasions, the idea that even within the privacy of your home is one thing, within the privacy of your mind is another.
And now, in this modern age, the digital doorway to who you are in terms of how much information is housed about you outside of your home, that's a whole nother concept that the law and the technology sort of haven't kept up with each other.
But how we approach these things should be with a whole lot of discussion to make sure private rights are protected.
In other words, those rights that keep people from stealing our identities, from doing things that are damaging to us because the technology allows them to and the law doesn't prevent them from it.
This, again, it doesn't just work with governments.
It works with individuals.
I mean, let's look at just technologies for influencing behavior.
One of the things that we point out in the mind control section of Earth Rising is this idea of what are called silent subliminals, the very thing used in the Gulf War for creating fear and panic by putting messages or at least emotional signals on the broadcasts of Muslim songs and prayers going into the battle environment.
The same technology was used in Japan, and there's actually a United States patent for putting silent subliminals on the music and department stores for dissuading shoplifters.
Well, the same might be used for encouraging shopping rather than dissuading.
As a matter of interest, these subliminals, for example, in discouraging shoplifting, they must have some stats by now on how much less shoplifting goes on where there are subliminals versus not.
Well, what their conclusions were in the articles that we quote from were that it was a significant and dramatic effect.
They didn't give a precise percentage, but now take into consideration what's already in the public literature about creating specific states of emotion within the human brain from external signals, whether it be modulated sound signals, or whether it be flashing lights or strobes or a combination of sound and light signals or even signals embedded within radio broadcasts, as an example.
But, you know, I've yet to track down the laws specific on that issue.
And when you look at sort of what's happened since, and this is, again, what we found in researching some of the laws up here in Alaska on telecommunications, the industry hasn't kept up.
The laws haven't kept up.
What's illegal to do on a phone line is legal to do on the Internet.
Again, because of poor definitions within law and technologies that didn't exist when laws were written.
When you're talking about subliminal specific words or phrases embedded on a screen, that effect is known as a 25th frame effect today, saying that every 25th frame in a movie sequence can create this sort of really deep, hypnotic, almost like ability to impress a person.
What they did in Russia and was demonstrated on a show on Canadian broadcasting called Undercurrents February 7th of 99 was a program on mind control where they actually showed Russian scientists using this, using computer screens essentially and suggesting that the same thing could be driven through the Internet if somebody had the desire and the interest.
All these six years we've been talking about on this show, and finally it hits MSNBC.
That's right.
That's right.
It's something I said going into the break, and that is that all of these things that we've been talking about on this program, or many of them, that have sounded like silly science fiction for years, are now well in use and absolutely true.
So you have to be very careful.
I mean, I know that what you're talking about right now is research underway or even in use.
In terms of, there's an article, a really excellent one.
It's put out again by the U.S. Army War College, and it's called The Mind Has No Firewalls.
And it's a couple years old now.
But this got into a lot of the same technology.
And one of the things that they suggested was that you could use any kind of carrier for creating huge effects in terms of just emotional states if that's what you were after.
And in fact, that's much more easily achieved than, say, something as complex as a specific voice or a thought or something of this nature.
I mean, for instance, for microwaves, one of the simple things for microwaves that works fairly effectively is a fine metal mesh screen, as an example.
But depending again upon the carrier, and this is wherein lies the trick, is when you can use any number of carriers for bringing signals in, then you need very sophisticated filters for keeping them out.
In fact, going again to the program broadcast in Canada, this idea of filters or chips embedded on computers, not for tracking urine going and outgoing, which is what we keep hearing about, but for keeping people out from doing exactly that.
This technology is available now, but it's not installed in computers as a matter of routine, although the technology exists to do exactly that without these.
And I ask that because I read a recent book, a very good one, in which a CIA agent had a tracking device embedded in his, surgically embedded, in his body.
A device that would allow a GPS satellite to track his very precise whereabouts.
We've had it since at least 1989, according, again, to a document, the Revolution Military Affairs in Conflict Short of War and the Revolution Military Affairs, which was put together by the U.S. Army War College by Metz, and I forget the other author, but they talked about a transponder technology for locating an individual.
But the thing that's happened since then, now they can monitor heart rate, breathing, stress situations, the amount of sophistication of what you can pack into circuitry today, and then to get the body to accept it by the merger of essentially biological material and electronic substrates, perhaps even your own at some point.
And the U.S. Army War College, when they wrote about it, they talked about it in terms of first military personnel going into combat situations so they could be located if wounded or hurt.
And certainly if I were going into Afghanistan right now, I might want that option, provided I could get it out at the other end of the war.
But we know about what goes into the skin of military personnel.
They don't usually have much control of when it goes in and when it comes out.
The other issue that comes up in that same document is the potential use of this same technology for business travelers.
Of course, they suggest they wouldn't turn it on unless there were some conflict.
The problem with all of that, it gets right back to where we are today, is first you talk about, and we can talk about the smart cards and the military personnel using them, and then we can talk about including some biometric material or information, whether it's a thumbprint or IRIS scan or even a voice print, interestingly enough, is something that can be captured.
And under the new roving wiretap rules, you can actually pick out a person's voice if they transit monitored systems in as little as 4 to 20 seconds of voice information.
Does that mean that, for example, as you pass from cell to cell, if you're using a cell phone or, I don't know, even if you go to a pay phone, some computer somewhere is tracking you no matter where you go?
If they're interested in your specific personhood and your voice is an attribute of that personhood, and it's programmed into the echelon systems or other systems that are available to intelligence community, every time you pick up a phone anywhere on the planet where a digital signal transits those systems,
which is pretty extensive, almost everything, there's a high likelihood that they're going to pick out where you called, when you called, who you called, and whether it's a cell phone or a landline just on voice biometric information.
And now with the roving wiretap rules, that can be applied readily to that kind of intelligence gathering.
And the thing to go back to that I go back to often when I think about the balancing question here is a statement by Zbigniew Brzezinski in his book Between Two Ages, which was written almost three decades ago now.
And it was a predictor for where we'd be today, and it's quite accurate, dead accurate.
And what he say about technology, if I can paraphrase, is that once it developed to the point of being able to control political outcomes, no matter who was in power, liberal or conservative, their interest in using that technology to further their political ends would probably go first instead of good judgment to restrain.
And I think all of that, when you think about it, technology is used against us in many, many different ways, whether it's sophisticated spin of media and press releases or advertising or now even more sophisticated means, actual technologies that can bend the emotions and reframe the mind.
And when you think about the sort of two-edged sword side of the story is there are some tremendous human potential applications here that could be quite good if in the right hands and with the right intent.
And the thing is, what we also know about the advancement of technology is for all of us to keep up, our capacity as human beings needs to dramatically change as well.
And we're pretty adaptive as creative creatures.
So these adaptations of our technology to make us perhaps more fully What we're possibly capable of.
Those are the exciting parts of the mind technology.
And in today's world, what makes governments strong is, in fact, their technologies.
And what makes democracy strong in this age is going to be the knowledge of the average citizen of those technologies and how they might rightly be applied.
Well, Americans, Dr. Begich, are a very stubborn, willful people, and they would never allow their government to simply impose these apparent violations of our privacy.
But in fact, the way it's likely to happen is the people themselves will demand it, won't they?
Yeah, and this is again, you know, it goes right back to what we were writing two years ago.
It's exactly how we said it.
In fact, that's the old story, you know, when you go back in history is whenever security has been at risk, people are willing, or whether it's food and starvation or whether it's the threat of warfare, instill an event that's probably less likely to kill you, at least at this stage, than a traffic accident or medical malpractice for that matter in any given year.
But the point is, we have a tremendous environment of fear in which we're ready to sort of look the other way as a whole lot of things change.
And the idea that, well, you know, if we don't have anything to hide, well, what if somebody disagrees with what you fundamentally believe as a human being, as an individual person, things that you're free to believe, but someone disagrees and thinks that's a threat?
Who's going to draw those lines and who's going to make those determinations?
And this is where things done in secret and in closed doors and without accountability breed contempt of the average human.
Well, there are many who believe that there is an intentional manipulation of events to bring about exactly this clamor so that this technology can be implemented.
Well, you know, whether, you know, it's kind of the chicken and the egg equation, you know, I think people that are basically insecure and paranoid and militaries tend to be that way because that's kind of their job, I guess, in one sense.
Yeah, and so, you know, there's a lot that's maybe given up in the course of that, and sometimes I think it's like mission loss.
But the point is, I think we can really drift a long way in the wrong direction at this particular time because of just the circumstances that we're in.
The latest is Earth Rising the Revolution, which was written now almost two years ago.
And we're just coming out with sort of a follow-on that we've had on a delay since September, basically to try and integrate some of the new stuff that's coming up.
In fact, that particular title, every single subject we've covered tonight was covered in that two years ago, and all of these subjects now are certainly making the mainstream in half.
In fact, again, sort of the area that's, I think probably the most disturbing of all when you look at all of this is what's already occurred, not even with the laws already on the books.
There was a comment made by Secretary of Energy O'Leary when she was in that position, and her suggestion was that over a half a million Americans have been subject to some form of human experimentation over a 40-year period without their consent.
A half a million is what they acknowledged publicly, and who knows to what extent it went beyond that.
But mind control technologies were subject of congressional investigations during the mid-70s.
It resulted in a thorough review of the Central Intelligence Agency.
Unfortunately, a lot of the main documents were shredded at that time, but chemical means for controlling people's behavior were being looked at, including hallucinogenics like LSD.
One of the things that wasn't well understood then but came out years later through Freedom of Information Act requests made by a researcher back east, a guy named Harlan Girard, got them.
And they showed the financial transactions in the accounting department, the Central Intelligence Agency associated with those early programs.
And there's actually an electromagnetic component going back to the use of electromagnetic fields or oscillating fields to change human behavior, even back to the 1960s.
Well, you know, the reality is, and it's come out periodically, and again, this probably, of all the things that I've written over the years, this section of Earthrising was the most disturbing because the reality is, is periodically another report gets leaked, whether it's prisoners or whether it's minority populations.
I mean, here last year in the budget, the federal budget, they settled with indigenous Alaskan natives for radioactive iodine experiments.
A few years ago, it was black men in the southeast that were experimented on with syphilis to see how they would decay over a period of decades.
In fact, you can look at the history and the target populations in many cases were the most vulnerable, orphans, mentally retarded, handicapped prisoners.
In fact, just, you know, in terms of general experimentation, the reality is periodically it does surface and it gets found out and somebody's hands get slapped and they eventually drift right back in the same pattern once again.
And this is the fear of many of the researchers in these areas when you consider, you know, it's hard to tell whether the last caller was talking about a technology that really was deployed against them or whether it was something else.
And it's almost impossible to tell with this type of technology when it's used.
And the fact of the matter is you can prove, well, you can easily prove the technology.
I mean, just in the public domain, there's over three dozen U.S. patents showing the evolution of this technology from the early 60s to its present state.
And if you look at the military literature on the subject and just what they confirm has already been achieved, it's pretty fantastic.
And if you go back to sort of the earlier writings, I was trying to find that quote during one of the breaks from Brzezinski.
And here's what he said.
And it was specifically about mind control technologies.
And he predicted this in 1973.
He said, I foresee the time when we shall have the means and therefore inevitably the temptation to manipulate the behavior and intellectual functioning of all the people through environmental and biochemical manipulation of the brain.
Unquote.
I mean, this is, and what he based it on was the work being done at UCLA at the time with modulations that would create changes in emotional state.
And one of the suggestions by J.F. Gordon McDonald at the time was that if you could ever figure out how to electronically stroke the ionosphere in just the right way, you could manipulate the behavior of populations over large geographic areas.
And that's, interestingly enough, exactly what HAARP does almost 30 years ago.
Well, how do you know you've been experimented on?
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A year ago, a year and a half ago, I was at a concert.
And during the concert, I not only seemed to have a perceptual shift, but I also heard what I would say would be voices in my head.
It wasn't disturbing to me.
It was surprising.
It didn't make me afraid of what was going on.
But since that time, I have had very strange experiences after that concert.
I've had phone calls that are always unknown number, unknown name, but they're just tones, and they beep at certain frequencies over and over.
I've had a black suburban drive by my home a year ago in the winter that shined a strobe light into my window.
It was a pulsed light at 4.20 in the morning because I woke up from a strange dream and my computer hard drive started compiling for some reason and I looked up and a black suburban with cab lights drove by and shined a strobe light through the window.
Let's for a second assume that all of this really is everything you imagine it to be, exactly.
Why do you think you would be the target of such technology?
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Well, in my opinion, during the coming times, like as you mentioned, the quickening, I think certain people on this planet have certain abilities that may be beneficial towards all of humanity.
I believe it has a correlation to that, and I'm still seeking the truth as much as possible.
I've never really had anything like this happen.
I've gone about and done a normal day's work in my life, but since that concert and since the specific experience where I heard certain tones and noises, and I felt my body heat up, and different perceptions happened, and continuing till this day, different things are happening.
I see myself as a target in an experiment or a control atmosphere.
If something like this was going to be done, a large gathering like the Super Bowl or a concert or some big event that would have many people at it would be a likely proper stage for an experiment of this sort, wouldn't it?
I mean, if you want to get some control or some kind of a real effect, you'd want to be able to direct it and know who you're directing at and follow up and see what the effects were.
And you'd want some advance information on the person's behavior and so on to try and figure out whether they were deviations from their norm.
And so I think it's a lot of the things that we get this basic kind of report probably a couple times a week by mail, by phone, in some manner.
And the fact is you can't sort out the fact from the fiction in this sense.
Everyone is sincere in what they're reporting and what they're observing.
Obviously, they're in some kind of very horrible situation in most cases.
The trouble with all this is that when we get somebody who really is a victim of something like this, they're going to sound exactly like the last caller.
And the reality is, everyone that has objected to this technology, and if you go back to where lots of reports like this were being made and people were starting to look at this issue, you know, it does parallel in some cases the timelines of some of this.
But, you know, you go back to the invention of radio and some people said about 1% of the population at the time said that it was affecting them in a negative way.
And then years later, we discover this phenomena called the Tao's Hum, which affects about 1% of the population from all reports.
So who knows what we might be seeing as a result of other things within our natural environment that are changing.
All of these EM fields, as they interact with human beings, along with all of the added chemicals that we add to our environments and to our bodies, and everyone reacts a little bit differently.
So what might be occurring and probably is occurring, and certainly there's research to show it in a number of fields, the idea that the interaction of these things are causing health effects that really are taking time to develop.
But you look at things that are showing up presently as the various forms of cancers, stress-related illness, cardiovascular disease.
And if you think about electromagnetic fields and just all the energy that surrounds us daily, I'll tell you when you really notice it, is when power failures occur.
And it's not just the quiet of the moment, but actually you almost feel like a big letting out a deep breath, just like your whole body sort of contracts.
And what that is, that sensation is, is the actual body no longer in a stress situation trying to find equilibrium, balancing against all of the subtle forms of energy.
And that energy affects people in lots of different ways, whether it's deliberate or whether it just creates chemical imbalances that lead to other kinds of problems.
What it was is striking the upper limits of the ionosphere and lower limits of the magnetosphere.
Stanford research showed that you could actually create a VLF signal amplification by about 1,000 times tapping at a trillion watts.
Huge potential, absolutely.
And here's the other consideration, and that goes along with the sort of the way in which HARP is intended to be used, is by sending energy through the magnetic lines of force as waveguides.
Normally, that energy is going from the South Pole to the North Pole.
But as waveguides, this energy can sort of corkscrew its way around those magnetic lines of force, working their way to the South Pole, creating the over-the-horizon effects and certain applications for missile shields particularly.
That was what was envisioned.
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Okay, when you're talking at that type of wattage, what are we talking about when it comes back off of the ionosphere back towards Earth?
Okay, we're talking about some different applications.
In this case, when Stanford observed it with just standard VLF transmitters, what they saw come back to the Earth was what they described as an electron particle rain with the kind of energy that's possible with HAARP.
They really don't know what the full effect is.
Because one of the things that's pointed out is the idea of creating Instabilities and then trying to discover where the stabilities sort of reform.
Again, depending on what they do at the moment and what areas it covers, it could be very disruptive to DNA structures.
One of the concerns as well with transmitters of this size is creating a hole in the ionosphere allows various kinds of particle streams to enter the environment that are screened out otherwise.
And this, again, is one of the concerns expressed by scientists who opposed HAARP.
The other consideration, and one that's kind of interesting, is it's again, it sort of depends on how it's used.
The idea of creating chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere was one of the earlier thoughts with HARP.
The idea of being able to, for instance, trigger those reactions that might lead to the creation of ozone or replenishment of ozone or knocking out specific pollutants were actually mentioned in the original patents and have never been, as we understand it, explored by anyone associated with HARP, which is unfortunate because this is a major problem leading to a lot of other problems on the planet right now.
And this is a dedicated single-line line, so I know it's not any other extensions in my house.
But it's interesting in just the way sort of all of this evolves.
You know, the work that I do used to be called investigative reporting.
And about two years ago, the military coined a phrase called accumulators, where people who kind of peruse the public databases, whether they're libraries or internet or the combination of all kinds of things.
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You know, that's a good question, and I believe the answer is probably yes.
In fact, the likelihood of the technology already being evolved to that point is pretty good, just given what we've already seen in the open literature and what's already acknowledged by military and academics.
The idea that you can create sort of an override to the conscious mind, the part that filters out what is right and what is wrong, that's really pretty much universal in terms of people working in this field knowing that that can be accomplished.
And I think that there's a softening up in general of all the nations as far as getting rid of portions of the brain or the mind or whatever.
This is being done through chemical abodes, ECT, electric shock therapy, you might call it hypnosis, all these different things that have been around almost forever through the field of psychiatry.
And I feel with these people already being softened up and then exposed to what HAARP is intending, not only are they going to remove past portions of memory, but they're also going to remove any desire for a future because you're going to have a world full of zombies.
In fact, you know, when you look at the development of an understanding of human mind and body, that's what leads to the development of better weapons, systems in order to exploit vulnerabilities.
But at the same time, that basic knowledge are the key sort of the future of medical science in the sense that they start to unravel the mysteries of things like acupuncture, healing with hands, these things that are not understood, but essentially the transfer of modulated energy either by a tool or by a person.
And these are the things that science is pointing more and more towards in terms of having profound physiological effect.
But unfortunately, most of what's being learned is being used to really interfere or damage.
And in some cases, I mean, even in the military literature, to be fair, a couple of things that are kind of interesting is one, they point to what they call anomalous functioning of the human mind and body.
In other words, these extraordinary or sort of outer seventh sense kind of experiences of some individuals to explain if you can figure out enough about how energy works and maybe you can create people with greater capacities as human beings, demonstrating those anomalous things that only rare individuals do today.
Hello, Dr. I was reading an article in the New England Journal of Medicine where they were trying to duplicate the actual intellectual level of our human beings, and I think they referred to this as the case of the Calvelli.
I wanted to know if you could actually touch on that, if you're familiar with it.
Lynn should just elaborate a little bit, not by that name, that doesn't ring a bell.
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Yes, well, they say in the case of the Calvelli, what they were trying to do was the neural synapses of human beings, if they could replicate that, say if one person was a psychotic, they could actually duplicate it and study it in a lab.
Yeah, and there's been a number of experiments in this area or in the idea that you could do this.
There was a gentleman doing work in this area who was a graduate of electrophysiology at the University of Madrid.
He was doing work in the mid-70s at the University of Australia, Queensland, a guy named Michaela.
And what he found and what he had shown is that you could, in fact, create by outside stimulus the same signals.
And this is basically the easier signals to create or emotional because they tend to be just the way the signals are created.
They're not so complex.
Voice and that kind of information was something that was, I think, figured out a lot later and in different degrees of sophistication.
When you look at whether they're microwave carriers or electromagnetic signals, there's a couple of patents on the books that actually demonstrate this ability.
So, you know, the stuff has been around.
I think what's really changed is a way in which it's starting to make it into, I think, the common literature.
Even when you see military publications going into the major libraries talking about the potentials of this technology, it becomes pretty startling because no one's really challenging it.
And yet, you know, this is the direction our militaries are going right now.
I have been listening to your show for years, and I have been looking forward to talking to Dr. Begins for a long time.
I drive trucks in the Fairbanks and Anchorage at night since 1990.
And we've noticed a friend of mine, myself, have noticed a weird change in the weather patterns in certain spots.
And we were attributing it to the heart project because of, you know, we could hear certain things on our C D radios, like he was telling me was radar and stuff.
You could hear it.
It would come on, and there'd be long stretches of warm spots on the road.
And at the same time, there was, we saw, I saw your book, and I'm kind of nervous right now.
My friends are going to tease me for this, but Angels Don't Play This Harp.
And it talked about animal migration, how they can mess with animal migration and mind control and stuff.
Yeah, one of the things that's been found out about most migratory species is they have small amounts of magnetite within the brain, a magnetic mineral, essentially.
And they figure it acts like a switch, allowing them to sort of navigate and maybe is responsible for a lot more sensitivities than we're aware of.
But again, when you talk about the high energy of systems like HARP, one of the problems that comes up is will it and can it interfere with the magnetic field lines of the Earth?
And it's actually designed to do that.
And as a consequence, those are the very lines whose rhythms are followed by migratory species, according to almost all literature now.
I mean, they used to believe it was sense of smell and geographic location.
And that's what's understood today to be truly the navigating system for most species.
So when you enter man's introduction of new technologies that actually interfere with Those background radiations that these animals apparently are more sensitive to be able to pick out.
And I think one time man was as well.
I think we've sort of lost that as we've surrounded ourselves in a sea of electromagnetic noise in the sense of the amount of energy that's around us compared to what was normal in that.
Doctor, if you take a project like HARP or any of the others that we've been discussing tonight, and you consider the budget that they have for development of this technology for whatever stated goal they have, how much of that budget do you imagine is usually apportioned to researching possible unintended consequences?
I mean, in the case of HARP, for instance, in all these years that we've complained about it and other political bodies now have complained about it, you know, they've never put sort of the biological team on the project, people with the requisite background in the right fields of science that they have available to them, that publish for them on the project to sort of look at the effects.
What they've defaulted to is whatever safety standards and rationale that they can lead to.
And then occasionally they exceed the limits of their permits and their rationale and blame it on whatever, contractor error or whatever, which they've done in the past.
The fact is, now they're getting special permissions under the emergency powers that go into effect with many of the pieces of legislation.
Bear in mind now they're accelerating the funding of this project.
The missile defense is going forward at about $80 billion is what's anticipated to be spent over the next few years.
A lot of money is being pledged into these projects that before were being incrementally dropped in on us.
Now they're coming in mass.
And it's going to change the complexion of warfare and have a dramatic effect on democracies and the way in which they operate.
Nick, if you could maybe expound upon the cumulative effect of the technology that you've been sharing with in the context of an effort to manipulate the minds and thoughts of humanity from a religious point of view using holographic technology,
technology that could actually transmit voices into the minds of people, project imagery, etc., in the context of there being some great salvational experience in light of the kinds of catastrophic events that are not only happening now,
but prophetically are going to happen down the road, and how we as a people can be deceived into believing that all of a sudden there's some great spiritual salvational program coming to our rescue.
This is holographic projection is real possible now.
I mean, we have that technology.
The idea of projecting a voice, so it almost sounds like it emanates from a three-dimensional space, heterodyning sound and manipulating sound in very specific ways, like to create that illusion is possible.
So yeah, that can be done.
And again, in the right context, it might be used.
The idea, again, kind of going back to sort of Brzezinski's take on the whole thing, you know, would they use it for our own good, which is really what we're talking about.
And, you know, I think a lot of people in government really honestly believe that what they do is for our own good and would make those decisions without necessarily consulting us.
And that's, I think, the greatest fear.
You know, these issues go back to lots of things within our government.
Think about this.
A half a million Americans experimented on without anyone ever being held accountable.
I think there was only one case of someone actually suing and winning, and it was the CIA's drugging of an individual who was said to have committed suicide, but was drugged.
That's right.
But out of a half a million, only one.
You know, that's a pretty sad state of affairs under any kind of accountability system.
Even though that is what you're stating is a well-known fact, people are in denial about it because they just don't want to believe their own government would do this to them.
Yeah, and I think that, you know, it's interesting.
There was a government teacher here that I gave a copy of Revolution Military Affairs, which talked about a lot of this.
And they took it to his class, and they all read it, and they commented on it.
One of them went home, and their dad was a military guy, because there are a lot of military here, and said, no, it's absolutely not true.
And was just angry.
And it's a U.S. Army War College document.
The other parent was, yeah, it's true.
And unfortunately, it's the way it is.
But you have those kind of reactions because people commit themselves to the things they believe the country stands for.
And when we find out that it doesn't always roll that way, we do go into denial.
And the fact is, we need to hold our government and those within it accountable for the things they do that infract on the very things that represent the values I think that all of this is supposed to be about.
I believe you spoke on this, touched around the edges of it at least earlier, but let me ask the question directly.
Do you believe that considering the potentialities of HAARP, that what we're going through now with the debate about the missile defense technology is really what it comes down to is budgetary and political masturbation?
Well, I think what we're going to get once the money is appropriated is different than what's being sold right now, only because there's good technology that's much superior to what's being told to the public.
But what it's really about is a lot of money and a lot of technology.
It is about national defense.
At the same time, it's about some risk.
I think the risks need to be debated.
I think the national defense needs to be secured.
And I think we can have both, but not in a vacuum and not in an environment of fear.
And unfortunately, that's where we are at the moment.
And I know a lot of what you heard sounds like science fiction, but as I tried to point out to you, as I really tried to point out to you earlier in the show, much of what we have discussed on this program, now well over a decade old nationally, has come to pass.
So you should be careful about what you ignore and dismiss as poppy cock, because it's not.