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Nov. 30, 2001 - Art Bell

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi desert, the great American Southwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can do well, good evening, good morning.
unidentified		On a Friday night, Saturday morning, open line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is your program tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I applied at least for one night every week, preferably Friday night, because everybody's in a pretty good mood for open lines, and that is tonight.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New affiliates.
unidentified		KFDO in Fargo, North Dakota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		790 on the dial.
		5,000 watts that thing on a rip across North, North Dakota, and more.
		I'm sure it's 790 on the dial.
		KBOX in Moorhead, Fargo, North Dakota.
		Stopping 1280 on the dial.
		Gosh, that Fargo covered all of a sudden, huh?
unidentified		Welcome, Fargo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		AMGO and KVOX.
unidentified		Glad to have you on the ever-growing network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, during the program last night, in the last 30 minutes of the program, it reached me that George Harrison had passed away.
		And so that left me in about 30 minutes of, for the program anyway, of shock.
		And then all day long today, friends, family, fans, everybody, the country, the world is grieving the death of George Harrison.
		And so you saw a lot of George Harrison all day long on all the news media and properly so.
		I don't know how you can say enough about him.
		I beat cancer twice and it got him the third time around.
		It's like something died inside when you lose somebody like this.
		I grew up with the Beatles.
		I'm 56 years old, so I grew up with them.
		They have been a part of my life.
		The really good thing about this is they'll always be a part of our life.
		They leave a legacy as they leave us that will live on forever.
unidentified		Forever and ever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so that's how I have started to think about it today.
		You know, they'll be with us forever.
		So I'm so, you know, music, I can't even tell you how much of my life is involved with music.
		It is so much a part of me and has been all my life.
		I worked in music radio my adult life prior to talk radio.
		Talk radio was my second incarnation in radio.
		My first was surely in music.
		And I lived the life of a rock and roll disc jockey and I probably was on as many as 30 radio stations in my time.
		Living as a joc is a it's a rough tough existence folks and yet you do it because surely not because of the money.
		Oh, you starved to death.
		Until you finally get to some pretty big markets.
		I made it to some big ones finally.
		But I, you know, in the beginning, like everybody else as a kid, I starved to death.
		But my love of radio, my love of music drove me forth anyway.
		Sure never had a hard time getting a job.
		That was radio.
		You could always get a job.
		I mean, if you were sort of halfway decent, you could get a job.
		And I never was lacking for one unless I intentionally wanted to be.
		So I just had a blast.
		I loved those years.
		I loved music.
		And so the loss of somebody like Harrison is like something, a little something dying inside.
		But then as I began to sort of deal with the grief, as we all do during the day, I thought, well, you know, he leaves a legacy that will last forever.
unidentified		And he sure does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, George Harrison.
unidentified		War news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anti-Taliban transgressions.
		tribesmen claimed that they were advancing Friday on Kandahar the last Taliban stronghold in Afghanistan a former governor there reportedly had a force of about 3,000 fighters moving on Kandahar from the south another tribe closing in on the city from the north U.S. airstrikes supporting all of this you know my question dare I ask this question you know you have tribe A and you have tribe B advancing
		on Kandahar and the U.S. helping out it does look as though we are about to consolidate Afghanistan great but will the new boss be any better than the old boss I think we all ought to be asking that these various tribes I don't have a clue with regard to what they're politically how they're made up but it could be you know the old the old boss or the new boss no different than the old boss I
		I guess we're going to have to just find out, though.
		It's hard to believe anything's worse than the Taliban.
		I still think that what has happened now in Afghanistan, and I know there'll be a bunch of hissing out there about this, but you remember just a few months ago, well, more than a few now, but not that many, when they blew up the big Buddhas, you remember that?
		You could imagine this is karma for the Taliban.
		That did it.
		And for, you know, for Afghanistan.
		You could imagine this is some sort of karma.
		They blew up those giant Buddhas.
		And I thought then that that was one of the worst things I had ever seen, and lo and behold, comes a war in Afghanistan shortly thereafter.
		Just a thought.
		Perhaps coincidence, huh?
		The Taliban announced.
		al-Qaeda terrorist group according to our defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld Become, or actually are becoming more dangerous now than they were.
		You know, it's one of those situations where as we consolidate, if you can call it that, Afghanistan, it's getting harder to tell the good guys from the bad guys.
		And they still have forces outside Afghanistan.
		So for those of you, it's tempting, you know, to say to yourself, oh, boy, we are really kicking the hell out of them over there, and we are.
		But Al-Qaeda is stretched around the world.
		And what we are doing right now will have repercussions itself.
		So it's no time to relax and think it's over because baby, it ain't over yet, not by a long shot.
		But you've got to say, we're doing pretty well in Afghanistan.
		certainly do.
		Talks on Afghanistan's Listen to this.
		Political front and future deadlocked Friday after the Northern Alliance leader in Kabul insisted an interim administration be elected and objected to plans for international peacekeepers.
		They don't want them in there.
		Well, I'm not saying the new boss is as bad as the old boss, but I'm saying there is that possibility and you should brace yourself.
		We'll see.
		That poor 94-year-old woman in Connecticut who died from anthrax, according to the governor of Connecticut, she might have gotten it from the male, but they really have no specific way of proving that at all.
		They don't know.
		That's a purity guess.
		There is no proof.
		They don't know how.
		They don't know how.
		The Green River murder suspect has been arrested, a man arrested today in connection with the deaths of four women.
		That's a Green River killer.
		And you know how they did it?
		DNA.
		They had old DNA that they matched with new DNA, and he's the guy.
		Listen, Monday.
		ABC's Good Morning America.
		This should be really, really interesting.
		I can't wait in a way, and in another way, I'm sick of waiting.
unidentified		Dean Kamen's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Diane Sawyer said she's going to reveal what it finally is.
		And I think that one of the reasons that we're finally going to find out is because people got tired of asking and having conjecture about it.
		They finally didn't care anymore.
		And so now it's time to reveal it.
		Monday morning, we'll all know, I guess, what it is.
		A lot of heightened military activity.
		You won't see this in the headlines going on in Israel right now that is not being widely reported.
		There may be something going on in Israel.
		We'll just have to wait and see.
		Just wanted to alert you, there's some unusual military activity in Israel.
		I am aware of that fact.
		All right, so if you would like to talk about anything that we have talked about.
		Oh, and there's so much that piled up during the week.
		Surely the discovery off the coast of Cuba, that's a monster, a monster story.
		A monster story, and we're not done with that.
		Cloning.
		I'm far from finished with cloning.
		The discoveries in the state of Illinois in the cave, you may want to comment on that.
		You may want to comment on Dean Raden, who virtually came on the air and confirmed everything I told you about the experiments that I've run in past years.
		And you may have some comments on those experiments.
		As you know, I have once again sort of put them in hiatus.
		But what has occurred with them is, you know, it's astounding.
		And I think this may be a power ultimately as large as the atom bomb or much, much bigger, much bigger.
		So we're on to so many stories right now on the program that I can imagine you would have comment on one or many of them.
		And I will welcome it.
		Anything goes, it's your night tonight.
		Open line Friday night, Saturday morning, and I am in a great mood.
unidentified		Open line Friday night, Saturday morning, and I am in a great mood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Open lines promised.
		Open lines coming now.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Heim.
unidentified		Hello, Art Bill.
		My God, it's wonderful to talk to you.
		I finally got through to you.
		Landing meeting.
		My name is Levi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I drive a truck for a living.
		I can hear the truck and I can hear the cell phone.
		Where are you, roughly?
unidentified		Oh, God, I'm somewhere in Illinois on 74.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
unidentified		Years ago, I had a strange dream that involved a rain shower in it.
		I knew a guy over in Tulsa knew about that sort of thing.
		And he said, anytime you have a rain in a dream, it symbolizes a spiritual blessing.
		And I noticed when George Bush and Vladimir Putin got together down in Texas, I mean, the bottom fell out of those clouds.
		It sure seemed like God shining on whatever they were talking about over there.
		I just wondered if anybody else noticed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but they weren't dreaming, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were.
unidentified		No, I mean, well, if it's true in the dream, I figure it's good in the physical, too, because he don't have to let it rain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, you know, you're worrying me, because as soon as you said that, I started thinking, have I ever in my life had a dream where it rained?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And actually, I don't think I have.
unidentified		I've only had one, and it was a really strange dream, but I don't know, just assuming that somebody in Russia listens to your broadcast, I'd like to, you know, ask God bless George Bush and Vladimir Putin, and maybe they can, you know, bless both of their countries.
unidentified		I mean, I think it's great that these two are finally getting together and being allies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I appreciate it.
		I hope that's true.
		I hope that's true, and I think it is true.
		I think that ultimately Russia really will be our ally.
		It's still really hard to tell what's going to happen over there.
		I've been to Russia, and even though all the barriers have fallen and Russia has economically collapsed, I would say, Ronald Reagan was right.
		Trust but verify.
		And I hope they do become our allies.
		It's a pretty strange country to be in, and there is still a lot of communist sentiment there.
		There are a lot of people who miss communism.
		Believe me, there are a lot of people who miss communism.
		So I don't think the final story on Russia's direction is going to be told until they either completely begin to succeed or completely fail economically and are forced to do something else, you know.
		If they get some success economically, then I think you could conclude they're certainly off in the right direction and we'll keep going that way.
		First time call our line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Dennis in San Antonio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dennis.
unidentified		Hi, well, I guess I'm a Generation Xer, and I just wanted to say what George Harrison meant to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please do.
unidentified		There's so many baby boomers on the air talking about what he meant to them when they were young.
		And I just wanted to tell you about a weekend I had back in, I guess, 1987.
		I was an adolescent, and I was just discovering music for the first time.
		And, well, it was a thing on a radio station where they play six Beatles songs every hour.
		And I mean, I listened to that the whole weekend.
		I didn't even sleep.
		And when I did sleep, I recorded it.
		That was like having Beatlemania.
		Their whole catalog, not just the first year, but their whole six or seven-year catalog all at once.
		It was a very powerful experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Beatles, sir, were very powerful.
		What they did, the music they wrote, and the music they sang.
		That's the right word.
		Very powerful indeed.
		And always will be.
		Still is.
		That was the one thing that cheered me up today, is that the music is always going to be there for us.
		There to inspire other musicians to try to rise to that level.
		It'll always be there.
		At least that hasn't left.
		As the individuals do, sadly.
		The music doesn't.
		It's still there.
		It'll always be there.
		What a legacy.
		Most of us can't begin to leave that sort of legacy to the world, so that's a good thing.
		Wow, Carline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Ann in the Springfield, Missouri Ozarks.
		I'm listening to you on KWTO.
		Yes, ma'am.
		I wanted to call and say a couple of things, if I may.
		First of all, about George Harrison.
		He truly was a minstrel with talents from God.
		Did you know, Art, that there is an entire legion of professional drivers who are in the rock and roll industry?
		All they do is go across the United States transporting all the personal equipment for different rock and roll stars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean Roadies?
unidentified		You got it, man.
unidentified		Do you know that there's a legion of them from a group called Stage Call that are devout followers of yours?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know I didn't know that, but I'm certainly happy to hear it.
		You know, I understand a Roadie's life.
		Believe me, I understand a Roadie's life, and so I can understand why they'd be listeners to this program.
unidentified		Oh, they are.
unidentified		Matter of fact, a friend of mine, a personal friend of mine, is driving the personal equipment for Aerosmith right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I wanted to tell you a real short story, if I may, about George Harrison.
		Sure.
		My husband, Tim, even though I'm from the Ozarks, I grew up in Tulsa, Oklahoma, back in the 60s and 70s, and that was a cool place to be because even though it wasn't a large city, Leon Russell had a recording studio and label called Shelter Records.
		And because of that, many of your rock and roll icons hung out in Tulsa all the time, jamming and hanging out with Leon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know an awful lot about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to explain to me your involvement?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you involved?
unidentified		All right.
		My husband, Tim, lived over in Tulsa, and we were out in the backyard barbecuing one day, and a friend of his, whose parents lived next door to him, was a killer guitar player named Carl Radel.
		He played jammed a lot with Eric Clapton and was on a lot of different records.
		And Carl drove up and his new BMW and got out and came over.
		And Tim and I are barbecuing back there and everything.
		And he walks up with George Harrison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Yeah, totally cool.
		So we're standing around visiting and everything.
		And George goes, you know, in his British accent, what are you cooking on the barbecue and all this kind of stuff?
		And Tim goes, man, I'm smoking some ribs.
		And apparently they had the munchies.
		And George said, could I try one?
		And Tim says, of course, you know, so he pulls out some clean paper towels and opens up the smoking barbecue and wraps the big old rib up and hands it to him.
		And we all stand around munching ribs with George Harrison.
		And he was so real art.
		He was such a nice person, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, most people are.
		I mean, there are a few people who get great fame and, you know, they become new body artices, right?
		But for the most part, people are just people.
		I mean, that's all there is to it.
		They're just people.
		And Sherry was a nice guy.
		So you've hobnobbed quite a bit, haven't you?
		I can tell.
unidentified		Yes, I have.
unidentified		I used to be a disc jockey, and I've met a lot of cool people in the music industry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I knew, and I could hear it just in your voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could hear it.
unidentified		But I'll tell you, Art, you're great, man.
unidentified		I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have a good night, good morning, whatever.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could hear it in her voice.
unidentified		Munching on ribs with Harrison, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell from the high desert.
		It goes your way tonight.
		Open lines, Friday night, Saturday morning.
		Anything you want to talk about?
		It's fair game.
		It is a strange world, isn't it?
		Full of all kinds of different people who want different things.
unidentified		Sweet dreams are made of bees.
		When mind you deserve me, I travel the world and the seven seas.
		Everybody is looking for something.
		Some of them want to use you.
		Some of them want to get used by you.
		Some of them want to abuse you.
		Some of them want to be a things to hide deep inside your mind.
		Oh, I have cried silent fears full of pride in a world made of feel, made of stone.
		Well Where I keep the moon of my beautiful round of my heart.
		What I'm feeling, feel believing I can't handle it, I'm now dancing for my life Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		First-time callers may rechart at 1-775-727-1222.
		And the wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295.
		To rechart on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with our fellow from the Kingdom of Nine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, listen, do you remember last night when people were talking about David Blaine?
		David Blaine is a magician.
		Only the fellow who called me said he's not a magician.
		He really does.
		Well, I got a million emails about all that today, and I've got a picture.
		Somebody sent me a picture of David Blaine levitating on a sidewalk with his feet up off the sidewalk, and I'll be damned if that isn't what it looks like.
		So it's up on the website right now.
unidentified		I just got it up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or Keith did more accurately.
		I sent it to Keith and got it up there right away.
		You should see this photo.
		Oh, man, oh man, this guy is levitating up off a sidewalk.
		Either that.
unidentified		Well, I don't see what else it could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This guy is hovering above a sidewalk.
		I, yi, yi.
		Want to take a look?
		It's at artbell.com and also the new ghost photo.
		You got to see that.
		Everybody's saying that's a real knockdown photo.
		It's called Ghost in Indonesia.
		Both of these items are available right now at artbell.com under what's new.
		Take a look, see.
		I'd like your opinion actually on both.
		And when you call tonight, if you can get to a computer before you call and get a look at these photos, the blame photo and the ghost photo, I sure would like your opinion.
		Open lines.
		What's going on right now is my first time caller line.
		You're on the air.
		Hi there.
unidentified		Art, big fan, New York City.
		Ah, 77WLC.
		A Beatlesy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		September 11th terrorist attack was launched from within the United States.
		And we must get serious by deporting all illegal immigrants with a timeout on legal immigration.
		Because right now the FBI and the CIA are dealing with a tangled web with all these people inside this country.
		We do not know who they are.
		And the easiest way to ease up the pain on the FBI and the CIA is by deporting these people.
		Because we have a big problem on our hands in this country.
		And it will only be settled with deportations of these illegals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've always wondered why we don't enforce the law.
		I mean, there's a law against illegally coming to America, period.
		And what we do is we gather up several million, many million illegals, and then we give them amnesty and make them citizens.
		And we say we're never doing this anymore.
		We pass laws.
		Then we don't follow the laws.
		And then we have another amnesty for illegal aliens.
		And now they're talking about another one.
		It's an insane policy.
		It means the whole damn thing doesn't work.
unidentified		Right.
		The whole world is coming to America.
		Let's be honest.
		Business groups and minority groups inside America want this flood of immigration inside of America.
		They're changing our culture.
		And right now, for security reasons, that's the most important thing right now.
		We have to have these illegals deported.
		I don't hear no one talking about it.
		You know, Art, if MacArthur and General Patton were both still alive today, you know where they would want to be stationed?
		They would want to be stationed right here inside the United States of America because they know that's where the enemy are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where the biggest threat is.
		Yeah, thanks.
		Well, look.
		You know, I detect in what you said a sort of a bias against ethnicity.
		It strengthens America.
		Ethnicity strengthens America.
		But I do agree with you with regard to the illegals.
		You know, the policy we have on this is nuts.
		And it really is no policy, and it really doesn't work.
		And so we continue this failed policy by letting the number of illegals build up until we can't do a damn thing about it anymore, and then we give them all amnesty.
		And so you can almost know if you're coming to America and you can just beat the system for long enough, they're going to give you amnesty and you're going to become a citizen.
		That's a stupid, non-working, idiotic, dangerous policy.
		In my opinion.
		Wild Guard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Wow, I can't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, believe it, you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Ohio.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay, sir.
unidentified		Great.
		You know, it's really sad about George passing away.
		And I just wanted to mention there's a really great album out there that Beatles fans would just flip over.
		It's a new release.
		It's called The Tribute to London and the Beatles album.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Oh, it's fantastic.
		Oh, my God.
		You've got to get it.
		You've got to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When do you think that we will ever have an opportunity for any music group to come along and change the face of everything that's happening the way the Beatles did?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will that ever happen again, I wonder, in our lifetimes?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe not.
unidentified		It won't happen because society at that time was just young enough and naive enough to be hit with this heavy promotion that brought them to our shores that people are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But hey, we've got lots of groups, sir, that get tons of promotion.
		That's the problem.
		It's just that.
unidentified		Everything's being promoted today.
unidentified		And a lot of it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but in the case of the Beatles, the promotion didn't even do justice to the product.
unidentified		I know.
		I know.
		Just like you can tell people all day long about our bell.
		Oh, they choose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, please, no, don't start putting me in that league.
		You were doing okay until you got to me.
		Now, don't.
		Don't do that.
		Why are you being so modest?
		Because I am, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call, but no, no, don't do that.
		I'm not in that league.
		Don't wouldn't ever begin to think so, and don't need you telling me that.
		I'm not.
		And I just do a talk show.
		That's all.
		And my contribution, I'll be well to be remembered, you know, it all, in some circles.
		But the Beatles?
unidentified		Huh.
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Beatles changed everything forever.
		Bless them.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		Oh, gosh, Ryan here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ryan, where are you?
unidentified		I'm sorry, how am I?
		I am yourself.
		I know you're good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I was asking, where are you?
unidentified		Oh, I am here in Kansas City here in Yon 17, KCMO.
		Right.
		Most admit to be an avid listener.
		I've missed a few of your shows, I confess, and I'm wondering what we've discussed about Ginger, what we've heard about her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Ginger?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a female name, but it doesn't mean it's a female, whatever in the hell it is.
unidentified		No, sir.
		I'm under the impression that it's anti-gravity.
		I was fascinated by your program and something I heard on NPR as well.
		Are you in agreement with that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I would lay you money it is not anti-gravity.
unidentified		Well, that has something to do with gyroscopes, aren't I?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is a good bet, yes.
		Gyroscopes, I think so, but not anti-gravity as we really imagine anti-gravity.
		I mean, actually defying gravity.
		No.
unidentified		Yeah, I think that they're holding on to that until it becomes necessary for a war that I'm sure is unnecessary.
unidentified		That's when I unveil this whole anti-gravity thing that people have been reporting for so many years now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that in the labs, they're pretty well along toward anti-gravity.
		Now, would I love it to be, what would I like ginger to be?
		Now, there's a good question.
		I would like ginger to be an anti-gravity personal transportation vehicle.
		That's what I would like it to be.
		I don't think it's going to be that, sir, but wouldn't it be cool?
unidentified		That's what I've been hoping.
unidentified		And if indeed it is, of course, I think every new innovation that we see is being developed independently from the technology that the government decides not to fill us in on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be something if it was that.
		I wish it was that, sir, but I don't for a second think it is.
		You know, they're doing some interesting experiments with anti-gravity.
		And they've had some success, you know, with these spinning things that are opposite each other.
		And there's been some pretty interesting reports, but I don't think that it has matured quietly into a personal anti-gravity transport vehicle.
		But my God, I hope that in my lifetime I get to have one.
		Wouldn't that be fun?
		Just floating.
		Nothing, no propulsion in particular needed.
		You would just float.
		Oh, that would be so much fun.
		Close to the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		I didn't get to hear your whole show when you were asking people about the cloning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And one question when you were asking people, are they for it or against it, I wanted to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't done a whole show on it yet.
		I'm working up to that.
		I really, really, really want to do it with a bioethicist of some sort.
		I want to have a very serious discussion about this cloning thing.
		I don't think we ought to go ahead.
unidentified		Oh, that's right.
unidentified		What I wanted to know was, would you, if you could get your back fixed, would you do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean if I could have a whole new body and a perfect back along with the rod and all the rest of it, would I be cloned?
unidentified		No, you were talking about cloning body parts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean if they could clone me a new back?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, sure, I'd go for that.
		But that's the individual body parts.
		If they could make hands and arms for people who don't have them and that sort of thing, without having to sever them from some poor clone, that's my worry.
		If they could grow them individually, then, oh, all bets are off.
unidentified		Okay, because I remember you saying if they could grow a clone that had no awareness whatsoever, just brain function enough to live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, unfortunately, they're going to be able to do that, sir.
		That's only one of the pitfalls of cloning.
		The others are probably not so bearable for me.
		I mean, they're going to have monsters for one thing.
		Even though this company has, oh, it's just at the cellular level and we're not going to go ahead and clone a whole human, we're right on the verge of it.
		They're about to clone a human.
unidentified		And I also wanted to make a suggestion.
		Your song that you play, Sweet Dream?
		Yes.
		I think you ought to switch to the Marilyn Manson version.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I like the arrhythmic version, but I'll consider it.
		I thought the arrhythmics nailed it right on.
		I like the words.
		I like the song.
		That's why I play it.
		First time, Colorline, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Arch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to you, sir.
unidentified		This is Tim in Springfield, Illinois, listening to you on 970 WNAY.
		Yes, sir.
		And I heard you say earlier that there were some discoveries in the caves of Illinois.
		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We did an entire show on it this week.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		Talk about somebody missing something here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		With Glenn Kimball, they have uncovered in caves under the ground in Illinois, unspecified location, what appear to be Egyptian artifacts, artifacts from Greece.
		In other words, if this is true, it changes everything we thought.
		It just throws away so much history.
		It means that Lord, people were crossing oceans with transportation and all kinds of technology and what have you long, you know, back when we thought they were dragging women into caves by their hair.
unidentified		Now, back a couple of years ago, I tried to plan a trip to the Egypt site when they were going to put the capstone back on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And hopefully, I would have been lucky enough to meet Mr. Hoagland.
		Unfortunately, I had to cancel, and of course, the whole thing was called off as well.
		But isn't that around the same longitude as Illinois for longitude, latitude?
		I forget which one it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not really sure.
		I have no idea if it's close in lateral lines.
		I have no idea.
		I mean, you get out a globe and you can decide for yourself.
		But I can tell you this.
		If you get the opportunity to go to Egypt and Giza, you should go.
		My wife and I were very fortunate, along with some of you, to go to Egypt.
		And Egypt was amazing.
		It gives you a whole new sort of look at life to go and to look at something that ancient and that incredible and that impossible.
		And as you actually walk in it and you touch it and you look at it, you have a sense of wonder and awe that it could ever have been done because it can't even be done today.
		They can't duplicate what was done then.
		Not even close.
		Nobody has a clue how it was done.
		There was some sort of technology that they had that we probably could still have if we had remembered.
		But apparently we've forgotten.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Oh, hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Oh, hello.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
		As regards to the previous call talking about immigration, I mean, look what they did to Pat Buchanan when he brought that up.
		I mean, they virtually tar and feathered the guy.
		It's like a big taboo in this country, and it's a total outrage.
		Art, as far as that CIA operative in Afghanistan, I mean, I was totally outraged what happened to that young man.
		Why weren't those prisoners strip searched and put in shackles with more American firepower in the room before they conducted those interviews with those prisoners?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		It was a riot, as you know, and so I have no idea why they didn't have more security.
		You would think they'd have a lot of it.
unidentified		This is supposed to be the greatest nation in the world with the most powerful military.
		We virtually hung that young man out to dry in that room.
		I mean, he was a fearless man, but I mean, the people have to get after the Pentagon and their congressional people because of that.
		That's a total outrage.
		Art, do you are familiar with Congressman Tom Tincredo of Colorado?
		He is the only congressman who is sponsoring legislation to reform immigration in this country, and he is the one who's really fighting for this.
		But it's actually the Republicans who are in charge of the House of Representatives who's actually stopping his bill from coming out of committee.
		And he's a Republican.
		The people, the last line of defense in this country, is the American people.
		And they're the ones who are going to have to demand a reform of immigration.
		I know you're a big fan of shortwave radio, and I have a couple of regular guys who do a show on Friday night.
		It's 10 o'clock.
		It's 7.415 on the dial.
		These guys are great.
		It's Frank of Queens and John of Staten Island.
		They're from New York City.
		They were longtime callers of Talk Radio.
		Big fans of yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		they decided to do a program, huh?
unidentified		Because they were outraged because no one...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way it should be done.
unidentified		That's the American way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		If you're ever interested in listening, it's 7.415.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		7415.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard it.
unidentified		7.415 on the dial.
		Great show.
		Your show is absolutely the best, and I hope it keeps expanding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, is 7415 a legal?
unidentified		Yes, it's actually short wave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, good.
		No, that's good.
		I've got it.
		Thank you very much.
		7415.
		Yeah, I listen to a lot of short wave, as you know.
		And that's the way to do it.
		If you're outraged about something, you want voice, then go get voice.
		Go raise hell about whatever it is.
		And immigration is a pretty good subject.
		I have two feelings about immigration.
		One, immigration and ethnicity in America is a strong point of ours, and we shouldn't stop it.
		On the other hand, our present immigration policies are stupid, dangerous, don't work, and we should control our borders completely.
		That doesn't mean we shouldn't allow immigration.
		It's just that we should know who's coming and going and what they're doing.
		And to just allow leaky borders and then sort of give everybody the big blessing at one time, all right, you've all managed to evade the INS for long enough, so now we're going to pardon you and make you citizens.
		But we're going to pass these tough laws, see, and we're going to do things like clamp down on employers and all the rest of it.
		Well, none of that crap has worked.
		And so we still get the same level of illegal immigration, and we solve it the same way.
		They're already pressuring the president to give another blanket amnesty.
		It's idiotic.
		Totally idiotic.
		What's to the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		I'm glad you're having a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad, too.
unidentified		I've got a couple of things.
unidentified		First, about George Harrison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I got through the day-to-day because last week I had a dream where John Lennon showed up and told me he was going to take care of George Harrison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite a dream to have a week beforehand.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, I knew he was sick, so it could have come from anywhere.
		And have you ever interviewed Tom Robbins?
		No.
		Have you ever thought about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The motivator, Tom Robbins?
unidentified		Uh, no, the guy that wrote to Life with Woodpecker and Jitterbug Perfume and even Cowgirls Get the Blues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't ever interviewed him.
unidentified		Oh, I think that'd be a fun interview.
unidentified		I'd love to hear you interview him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think I'd do all right in that?
unidentified		Yeah, I think you guys would be a good team.
unidentified		I think it would work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm willing to try anything.
unidentified		Well, he's pretty visible.
unidentified		You probably wouldn't have any trouble getting a hold of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, help me out.
		You know, when people want to have somebody on, that's fine.
		Best thing to do is send me an email, artbell at mindsprain.com, artbell at mindspring.com, and just give me what info you have to help me out a little bit.
unidentified		I can give you his publisher's name.
unidentified		I'll send that tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be good.
unidentified		And then in terms of the new boss, the old boss overseas, I think Pete Townsend summed it up when he said, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I was ripping it from.
		But I mean, the sentiment is there.
		Whoever these various factions are in Afghanistan, I've got a feeling they may not be everything we think they are or wish they were.
unidentified		That's usually the way it goes, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It usually is.
		Thanks for the calling.
		I got to run.
unidentified		Have a good night, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Oh, I wasn't looking for.
		And then you moved in next door.
		Pretty blue eyes.
		Pretty blue eyes.
		All the guy from the neighborhood.
		You made me good.
		Pretty blue eyes.
		Pretty blue eyes.
		Oh, my God.
		It came from somewhere you had long ago.
		Sam and the old girl she tried it harder to recreate, but forget to be creative.
		Once in her life, she lost his whole smile.
		Boy is not a dead.
		Never coming near what he wanted to say.
		Only to realize it never really was.
		She had a thing in his life.
		He had a big thing as she rises through her body.
		Everybody else would surely know He's watching her grow What a fool will be He sees the wise and wise of the world To reach Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye.
		From west of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255.
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		Or use the wildcard line at 1-775-727-1295.
		To reach out on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you might be interested in a little of what we're going to do next week.
		Oh, it's going to be quite a week next week, actually.
		It'll begin Monday with Frank Joseph.
		He was on with Linimo Powell, and he has been on a lifelong search for the lost civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria.
		So, since we appear to be on the verge of discovering Atlantis, he's a pretty compelling guest, and we'll talk about Atlantis and Lemuria on Monday.
unidentified		How's that sound, huh?
unidentified		Let me see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll have something on the paranormal for you on Tuesday about the evil in Asheville, for example.
		Hear about that?
		The evil in Asheville?
		And on that score, we've got a ghost photo tonight that'll blow your socks off on the website.
		You've really got to see it.
		Feedback on this one has been really good, and people on this issue are really critical, but they really did like this one.
		And then Pam Reynolds will be here on Wednesday.
		Pam, you know that surgical procedure we're talking about all the time where they cool your body down in order to get to an aneurysm.
		They cool your body down.
		They remove all the blood from your body.
		She went through it.
		She went through it.
		She did this.
		And she's going to tell us about her near-death experience.
		In other words, where she went during that time.
		How's that?
		That should be very, very, very interesting, I'd say.
		That'll be on Thursday.
		And Wednesday, Wednesday, Dan Aykroyd is going to be here.
		Yes, the Dan Aykroyd with David Serrita.
		And we're going to be talking about UFL.
		So, you know, it's a really big lineup coming up next week.
		Just thought you'd want to know.
		Back to open lines in a moment.
		And back to it we go.
		First time call online.
		You are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, that's me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		All right, how are you doing?
unidentified		First-time caller, long-time listener?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to have you.
unidentified		I appreciate you having the line here for me to call in.
		Sure.
		I wanted to talk a little bit about more about cloning.
		I hope to push you more towards back on the fence a little bit.
		It sounds like you're heading towards the no side.
		And I think it's very, very important that we not fear this technology as quick as it's being vilified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's rock.
		I mean, I'm glad to offer up my worries and fears to you.
		And you can, instead, why don't you start?
		Why should I be in favor of cloning?
unidentified		Well, I think the term is a scientific term that has to do with the repetitive nature of growing cells.
		And thus you can, and it goes from a variety of different issues.
		They've been cloning plants and looking at being able to create an entire being, especially a mammal clone.
		Of course, it's been done with dollies, sheep, and so forth.
		And I'm sure, as you say, someone will probably try to do it with a human.
		However, the same thing can be said for almost any technology, that it can be used inappropriately, as with an individual who can take over an airplane full of gasoline and its passengers and smash it in as a way to get away from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Answer this for me then, sir.
		What's appropriate about cloning a human being?
		I mean, in the case of Dolly, they had a lot of failures and a lot of monsters before they got Dolly.
		Now, if that's going to happen with a human being, I'd like to hear your justification for it.
unidentified		Well, my justification isn't for the monsters that could be genetically created by man.
		I think you have to be aware that genetic monsters are created by nature on a daily basis and are born and are raised by people and animals and so forth.
		It's a sad fact of nature on those aspects.
		As far as man's manipulation of those genes, I really don't know how deeply, how far they took these fetuses.
		I really don't know.
		I didn't hear any of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They claim only to the multiplication of cell level.
		They didn't let it go.
		They stopped it there, they say.
unidentified		And that's where they should stop it.
		And I think that's really the key of this technology.
		You know, the nature of the way science reports its findings through peer-reviewed journals and so forth, I've always been uncomfortable with that because it leaves for the person who really wants to dig the answers on how to do anything that someone has discovered and reported on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you don't honestly believe, do you, sir, they're going to stop at that?
unidentified		No, of course not.
		But however, I think that the important thing is, is there's a great example of this, is it has to do with science being responsible and telling us, the public, on what they're doing in a careful way so that people don't have the imagination that Osama bin Laden or anyone else can go out and create copies and copies and copies of themselves.
		It's a heck of a lot easier and a whole lot cheaper just to grab the kids out of kindergarten at the school down the street in their respective countries and put them in their armies.
		And that's what they will do if they want to raise an army.
		So from that aspect, I don't think people need to fear.
		From the other side of things, from how it can impact man in a positive nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, sir, you could clone an army.
		You could clone an army of the fiercest killing machines the world has ever seen.
		And if you don't think they're going to want to do that, then you really are kind of naive in my opinion.
unidentified		No, I'm not naive on that aspect.
unidentified		I think that we're hundreds and hundreds of years away from them being able to manipulate and create the type of individual that they want to create in a clone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
unidentified		Well, that's my review.
unidentified		I think that the other piece of it is that we have to expect some type of leadership from our religious and moral and ethical communities on what standards they want to create, as we talked about last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you honestly believe the Department of Defense is going to consult the clergy before they do what they're going to do?
unidentified		Oh, of course they.
		But I still don't think the Department of Defense is going to run with things.
		But let's stay off of the negative and gloom and doom sides of cloming.
		Let's talk about the positive sides.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the positive sides are I could get a new heart, I could get a new back, I could get a new liver, whatever it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is what we're a lot closer to.
unidentified		Yeah, and I think we're a lot closer to the reality of creating those organs than for an entire person next to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, the two of them are going to come together.
unidentified		Oh, I agree.
		There's going to be convergence of that, and I think without educating the public early on, then we're going to create people who are going to do this in the back rooms and also have an unreasonable fear of the technology.
		Eric Landers, who heads up the genetic research arm of the Whitehead Institute, really down-to-earth guy, you ought to have him on your show one time.
		I watched him on Charlie Rose earlier this year.
		And he said, we're really only about 10 to 15 years away from mapping the entire process of every human disease, which means that we will know how its infancy is completion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The genome project itself ended years early.
		Even from the projections, it ended years early.
		That tells you how fast the technology is proceeding.
unidentified		That's exactly right.
unidentified		And Eric also said that we're going to shoot ourselves in the foot if the scientific community doesn't come forward and explain and carefully document this technology to the public so that they're not scared of it and think that monsters are going to be created.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But monsters can be created, my friend.
		Listen, thanks.
		I'm going to leave it there, and they would be created.
		And the perfect soldier would be created.
		If you think for one second that our Department of Defense would not step in that direction, you are naive.
		I'm sorry.
		We're going to create all kinds of perfect things.
		Or we're going to try to.
		And in that process, we're going to create a lot of imperfect things.
		I don't know.
		I could still be swung, I suppose.
		I could be swung probably either way, depending on how the technology develops.
		It's just that I probably tend to see the terrible possibilities with this more than I see the benefit side of it.
		But I know there's a big upside.
		I mean, if you could get a new heart and they could just grow a single heart that would be compatible, non-rejectable, and a brand new heart for you, and they could just grow that, and we're going to be able to do that.
		That's a big thing, all right.
		On the positive side.
		Oh, the pitfalls in this.
		The pitfalls in this are so serious.
		People are inclined to say, oh, they're nothing but twins.
		It's no big deal.
		It's just like twins.
		It is just like twins, but then the manipulation that can occur is your imagination, frankly, there's no bounds to it.
		Wildcard line, you're on here.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I'm calling.
		You had a caller the other night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're going to have to get close to the phone and really yell at me, hon. You're not too loud.
unidentified		All right.
		I'm in Las Vegas here.
		Okay.
		I'm calling about the bright light that you had a caller from California call in, Gene?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I've been watching a light every night for several weeks that's got the bright colors shooting off of it.
unidentified		I'd like to hear more about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it, you're sure you're not seeing a star?
unidentified		Well, you know, well, I guess it could be a star, but I didn't know stars shot off reds and blues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They do.
unidentified		They do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
unidentified		Well, then I guess this could be a star then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Venus will do that.
unidentified		It will, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it sure will.
		In fact, something happens with your vision.
		If you stare at Venus, not only does it twinkle and give off all these different colors, but it also appears to move like up and down and left and right.
unidentified		I haven't seen this one move at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		But this is over the sheet mountains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds star-like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the other hand, in Perrump, here where I live in Perump and over the hill, we've had, in your area, we've had an awful lot of sightings lately.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, something's up.
		Keep an eye on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thanks for the call and take care.
		What you're describing, though, sounds, you know, if it's dependably there every night, it kind of sounds like a star.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Hey.
		Yeah, I'm a law student here in Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are?
unidentified		And I came across, I did a search on your name on the West Law database to see what'd come up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes?
unidentified		Well, there are two legal things I want to talk to you.
		The first one is this is kind of a funny thing.
		And when I did that search on your name, I came up with probably the funniest case I've ever come across regarding an actual published case.
		And this guy, I don't know if you remember, he claimed to be the Messiah.
		And he was at prison inmate, I believe, in Pennsylvania.
		Oh, yeah.
		And he sued me, and he sued Clear Channel, and he sued everybody.
		Whitley Streeber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, he even sued Israel.
unidentified		Yeah, well, what's funny is...
		Yeah, the Supreme Council of Ancient Scottish Rite.
		I mean, there's an example, but one of the interesting things, in the alternative, if he wasn't found to be the Messiah, if the court didn't find him to be the Messiah, he wanted other things declared, and he wanted other things to happen.
		It's kind of a rambling petition he sent to the court.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of?
unidentified		Well, no, it was absolutely rambling.
		I'd like to get it.
		125 pages.
		I just don't have time to get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a copy preserved somewhere.
		This never got to be public, actually.
		It's the first time the public's hearing about it, but this prisoner, yeah.
unidentified		He wanted a declaration of safe passage and sanctuary for Osama bin Laden.
		And, of course, this case came down before September 11th.
		That was an interesting tidbit.
		But some of the things that he wanted in the alternative, if the court didn't find that he was the Messiah, he wanted from the government, for example, 600 million metric tons of 0.995 fine gold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You read more of it than I did.
unidentified		I can give out the site for your listeners and know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		I don't allow sites to be given out, but I appreciate the call.
		This caller is absolutely right.
		This guy, this prisoner sued me.
		Claire Channel.
		Israel.
		I think Britain.
		It was, you know, and there were a number of other nation states named.
		And I never really quite got a grasp on what it was all about.
		But as the caller said, he did want to be declared the Messiah by the courts for something or another.
		People behind bars with too much time on their hands.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		This is Jesse Collin from Medford, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have some information on your levitation video on your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's just a photo of David Blaine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, tell me he's not floating above that sidebar.
unidentified		He's not a floating.
		I have proof.
		I watched, he did a show on one of the major networks a few years back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I went out to my local magic store, and they sell coin tricks and stuff like that.
unidentified		And I bought a $20 video on how to do this trick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's hear it.
		I don't care.
		I'll blow it.
		How do you do it?
unidentified		I hate to let you down, but he's standing on one foot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		It's an angle perception.
unidentified		I swear to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me look at it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me look at it again.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me see here.
unidentified		I paid $20 for this video on Osborne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I know, but there's videos that, you know.
unidentified		I pulled the trick off once for some of my co-workers, and that's about all I got out of it.
		It's the way you angle your shot.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
unidentified		I swear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking at it right now, and there's enough room below his feet and between there and the sidewalk that there couldn't be anything touching.
		I'm looking at it.
		Now, are you looking at it?
unidentified		I've seen the video plenty of times.
		I've seen it.
		I know exactly what you're talking about.
		David Blaine, he went to Las Vegas and stuff like that and did it on the streets and saw people on television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, it looks to me like he's floating.
		Now, look, you could be absolutely right.
		And after all, people don't float around every day, so probably you're right.
		But I sure would like to interview this fellow.
unidentified		He's standing on one foot, I swear.
		It's just an angle.
		It's a very deceptive angle.
		I mean, you have to have just the right...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I'm sorry, but this, number one, it doesn't look like it's a pose shot because in the shot, there's some guy with a pretty fair-sized belly there about to block the shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it doesn't look like it was really set up or anything, right?
unidentified		It's not.
		You've got to have it just right.
		You just tip, you stand up on one foot, just barely angled up.
		I pulled it off.
		I pulled it off.
		I stunned a couple of my coworkers one day, and they thought I was the devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, I'll take a word for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it thank you thank you very much for the call actually i won't take your word for it i'm sorry but my eyes are telling me one thing and what they're telling me is if you all want to look at this picture it's at artbell.com someone sent it in today after we talked about david blain i don't really know much i don't really know much about david blain but i'll be damned if it doesn't look like to me that he's hovering off the sidewalk and i cannot see how you could not see one toe being down on the sidewalk i just i can't see it
unidentified		You can see enough underneath it couldn't be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, I guess I should have David Blake on and ask him how he does this and whether or not it's a trick.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take a look at the photograph.
		You tell me what you think.
		On the first time caller line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, my name is John, and I'm from Orange County.
unidentified		I'm KFI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi, John.
unidentified		Yes, I was kind of thinking on a theory of a recycling solar system, and I just wondered what you might think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A recycling solar system?
unidentified		Solar system, yes.
unidentified		I believe that the solar system may actually recycle itself as in planets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you mean the expansion and contraction theory or what?
unidentified		Well, what I'm thinking, I'm not familiar with that theory, but, you know, it just seems to me that Venus is like a planet that's dead through the greenhouse effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, from our point of view, it's dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, there may be life that can exist on Venus that is just not based on life as it's based here.
unidentified		Yes, as we know it.
		Yeah.
		But it just seems like, you know, what they're talking about with the global warming and everything, it just seems like Venus could have been, you know, a living planet at one point in time.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, yeah, that we could end up like Venus.
unidentified		Yeah, I've seen pictures of it, I guess, where they look through the clouds and take pictures of it.
		And it looks like there have been continents there.
		If you look at it, it actually looks like, you know, the landmass.
		And if you've ever seen a picture of it, I'm sure you have.
		It just really looks familiar.
		And with all this talk about Mars...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, listen, listen.
		I've got a break coming up, so let me hold you over.
		All right.
		Stay right there.
unidentified		All of time has come Fear for the town of America Seasons don't feel the reaper No to the wind and the sun and the rain Need a game Come on, baby Don't feel the reaper Better take my hand
		hand rattle rubbing rattle of film I gave you love,
		I thought that we had made it to the top.
		I gave you all I have to give.
		Why didn't have to stop?
		You blown it all sky.
		I fell in your lies.
		Without a reason why To blow it all to my heart You've blown it all sky.
		Our love has been too far.
		We couldn't have touched the sky.
		You've blown it all sky.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with Arpell from the Kingdom of Thai.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you know, I really would like to talk to David Plain.
		This is a very interesting picture.
		Now, if he really can't levitate, I should have a talk with him, shouldn't I?
		If, on the other hand, it's just a simple magic trick, it's just that here's this photograph.
		Take a look at it from my website, along with the new ghost photograph from Indonesia that's a real knockdown ghost photograph.
		One of the best I've ever seen.
		We got that one up last night.
		So I'd love your opinion.
		In the meantime, open lines continue all night long.
		Stay right where you are.
		Once again, into the night we go.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hi, Arbell.
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I just wanted to let you know that I did see David Blaine in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		At the Imperial Palace on August 8th of 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And we took home video.
unidentified		Me and my friend Paul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he levitate?
unidentified		You know what?
unidentified		A lot of people panicked and were afraid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm asking you, did he levitate?
unidentified		Definitely.
unidentified		He levitated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way in your mind?
		Now, I know, I mean, the guy's a magician, right?
		Well, I was very skeptical about it, okay?
unidentified		And he started announcing right in front of Impera Palace that he was going to levitate.
		And me and my friend Paul said, well, let's go check it out.
		You know, I was really doubtful.
		I thought it was just some kind of stunt.
		But he did it outside, right in front of a couple thousand people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Were you close enough?
		This is a really critical question for me.
		Were you close enough to see if he was standing on one toe?
unidentified		Definitely not.
unidentified		Nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was no way.
unidentified		See, that's just the way this photograph looks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be damned if he's standing on a toe.
		I'm looking at it, and he's hovering a fair amount above the sidewalk.
		Now, I just don't see how that can be a magic trick.
unidentified		Well, we have home video of it, and I was like about 10 feet from his feet.
		Right.
		And me and my friend Paul were there.
		We had just come out in Piro Palace.
		We're going to the casino, and we happened to be right in the front.
		We started videotaping, and there was nothing there.
		There's not even no wires.
		I mean, you should have seen it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was really.
		All right, well, I'm going to talk to him then.
		All right.
		Call goes out.
		I want to have David Blaine on and ask him about this.
		Would you enjoy that?
unidentified		Oh, God, I'd be able to listen to you all night.
		I'm a big fan of yours.
		Me and my mom and my friend Paul.
		We're really, you know, we love your show.
		We really love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Let me tell you, everybody who's listening, it's true.
		It's real.
		You've got to have him on your show, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, thank you.
		All right, so we want to have David Blaine on.
		I really, I've been puzzling over this photograph since I saw it earlier today.
		Because of the talk last night, somebody sent it in, and I got it up on the website right away.
		Got it to Keith.
		And I just looked at it, and I looked at it, and I looked at it, and I zoomed in on it.
		It looks like an amateur photograph, I would say.
		As I said, somebody with a pretty big front's about to get in the way of the photograph, but they're not.
		It's clear, and you can see this guy is hovering off the sidewalk.
		Now, obviously, I suppose there could be some kind of trick, but you heard what this man just said.
		So I guess I'm going to have to have Mr. Blaine on.
		Ms. Blaine, if you would like to come on the radio program and explain how you do what you do, how long you've been able to do this, and, you know, tell us with your hand on a good book or something or another that you're telling us the truth.
		I would, you know, I mean, seeing is believing.
		Or maybe not with a magician.
		But anyway, it's interesting enough that I would like to talk with him.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, you do a great job, Art.
		We listen to you practically every night.
		And I wanted to talk about Linda Moulton-Howell's report last week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, incredible report, yes.
unidentified		Just a comment about David Blaine, just to one thing I noticed when I've watched those programs during his levitation act, that he always seems to back himself off from his audience, immediate audience.
unidentified		So he requires about like a 10-foot clearance from the audience before he does his levitation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but even so, 10 feet isn't much.
		You can clearly see if someone's standing on their...
		I can stand on one toe.
		I can do that.
		Well, I'm on one toe.
		I don't even look like I'm levitating.
		I look like I'm standing on one toe.
unidentified		Well, I don't think he will actually levitate.
		I think it's some optical illusion of some sort.
		But getting back to Linda Moulton Howell's report, I was interested in listening to her report of the sunken city 2,200 feet below the sea.
		And basically, she had talked, the interview was with Paula Zielinski.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Paulina Zielinski, yes.
unidentified		Zielinski intrigued me.
		And when her husband mentioned the fact that he had information concerning the symposium, Britain regarding natural disasters, that probed my interest in checking out the chronological table of the Jerusalem Bible to see if there are any events that cross that particular time frame.
		And if you go to Joshua chapter 10, there's a famous incident in the Old Testament there when Joshua were fighting the Amorite kings.
		And it's called the long, some people noted as the long day in the Bible when the sun didn't set.
		And Joshua prayed to God that they would defeat the Amorite kings.
		And God rained down hailstorms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I could imagine, the sun not setting, you'd either have to be at a very high northern latitude, A, or B, the earth would shift on its axis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's about the only way you get the sun not setting.
unidentified		Unless you have another event, like he described, the comets colliding each other and hovering over the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would appear to be a sun not setting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'd be as bright as the sun, I suppose.
unidentified		Yes.
		And again, there were hailstorms that came down that defeated the enemy.
		It caused them to try to go back to caves, if you read that passage in Joshua 10.
		And it defeated the enemy that way.
		And the timing of that was in 1200 BC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		Listen, I agree.
		I think there's a human history that the academics refuse to admit to, but is becoming, you know, almost more than obvious.
		All of the discoveries going on would indicate that we were around long, long, long before they tell us we were.
		You know, or somebody was here.
		I mean, there are artifacts, there is forbidden archaeology, there is evidence below our sea, below our earth.
		And it's generally ignored by the academics, but we're hearing so much of it, so much breaking news here on Coast to Coast AM about all of this that I'm beginning to conclude it's almost a foregone conclusion for me now.
		I know that goes against a lot of the grain out there, but you know, the evidence really is getting pretty strong.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, what's going on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going on at the moment.
unidentified		Hey, I have an interpretation for a dream that you put on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you coming from?
unidentified		Ohio, Alan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ohio, all right.
unidentified		I'll tell you the dream and I'll tell you the interpretation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was my dream?
unidentified		All right, your dream was.
unidentified		Now, here's the thing, though, is that I want to tell you something else, but I'm going to qualify by telling you your dream and the interpretation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		The dream was you had a dream about a Pope that you saw standing in a balcony over a congregation of people.
		and this pope held in his hand a tube of toothpaste.
		And depending on whether...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the Pope was advertising the toothpaste.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Now, if he went thumbs up, the people bought it.
		That was a hot seller.
		If he went thumbs down, people didn't buy it.
		They listened to him and they went with something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, entire companies were going under in my dream because the Pope would give a product a thumbs down, you know.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I did interpret that, or I did dream that.
		So your interpretation of that?
unidentified		My interpretation of that is that what you saw was the Pope acting in the capacity of the false prophet.
		If you read in Revelation, it teaches that the false prophet is going to cause the world to worship the beast.
		Well, to have that kind of power, whether he did a thumbs up or a thumbs down towards the Antichrist, these people would worship him because this false Christ, this false prophet is telling the people with this kind of power and authority that this is God.
		This is the man that you need to worship.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think I dreamt of the Antichrist?
unidentified		I think of the false prophet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Antichrist.
unidentified		Well, the false prophet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Antichrist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same, one and the same, right?
unidentified		No, they're not one and the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but the Antichrist is a false prophet.
unidentified		No.
		Well, yes.
		Well, no, not really.
		See, the false prophet is a person that's speaking on behalf of one person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the Antichrist.
unidentified		And the Antichrist himself is speaking on behalf of himself as God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I've got it.
		I didn't think there was anything particularly biblical about my dream.
		I did, however, think it was a very weird dream.
		Now, maybe his interpretation is in some way correct or not.
		I wouldn't have the slightest idea.
		Maybe my dream was nothing more than just a dream, but I thought it was, you know, in a tragic way, it was very humorous because I could imagine, you know, this company with whatever product they have, you know, it's like they know their product has gone to the Vatican, right?
		And they know the Pope is about to come out on the balcony and hold their product and give it a thumbs up or thumbs down.
		Entire corporations would either rise or fall because of the Pope's thumb.
		That was my dream.
		And I remember having some involvement in it.
		It's like my product was going to go to the Pope or I was involved with a product that was going to the Pope or something.
		Anyway, who knows why you dream the things you dream, but there you are.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Yeah, Art.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Killen from Alturas, California.
		All right.
		And I got a question about cloning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And what they were talking about is, you know, you take a little DNA from this man, and then you make his twin.
		All right.
		Well, my question is, when you make this twin, does he have a soul?
		Because I don't believe a soul or that spirit has DNA that you can take and create it.
		So if you have no DNA for a soul, then is this clone soulless?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Of course, that's one of the things we're going to find out.
		Most people would say if a living human being is created, it would be inculcated with a soul.
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		And nobody knows yet.
unidentified		Okay, and then say they do find out that somehow they, through future generations, that this is soulless.
unidentified		And then if they killed this clone for body parts or experiments, then is it murder?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not if they were to be able to prove, I suppose, that it didn't have a soul, as a human being does.
		But I guess it wouldn't matter.
		All of the AZLUs and all the civil rights organizations in the world would confer everything upon it anyway.
		So it's going to be a mess, sir.
		It's just going to be a mess if we begin to clone.
		You can't imagine the mess that's coming.
unidentified		Well, could I ask you one more question?
		Sure.
		The other night, it was Wednesday night when you had that guy on about, you know, life after death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure who you're referring to.
unidentified		Well, you know, he was talking about the energy and when we die and, you know, going to heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		James von Prandtl.
unidentified		Yes, that's him.
		Yes.
		I was listening to that, and right at the one time when a question was asked, I had to leave and something happened, and I couldn't get back to it.
		And you were talking about if an axe murderer dies and he doesn't have any remorse or regard for life, where did he go?
		I didn't catch that.
		And if you could answer that, I'd really be happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, all right.
		I'll do the best I can.
		What he said pretty basically was that you get what you give.
		You reap what you sow.
		When you die, you are the architect of your own hell.
		And if you were a remorseless axe-murderer, the odds are that you were going to live in your own hell.
		That was kind of his answer.
		And you know what?
		I kind of buy that.
		I think you are the architect of your own hell or your own heaven in the sense that you are forced to have your own life review and then you are forced to judge yourself and I think you're unable to be anything but a good judge.
		In other words, I don't think you can fudge that one.
		You can't beef up the resume when you're at the Pearlies.
		You know, it is what it is, what it is.
		And that's the answer he gave, and I thought it was a pretty good one.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		All right, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Clearwater, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		It's an honor and a pleasure to speak to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		It's a little off the subject, but I guess that's why it's called the wildcard line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's, well, it's the first, you've never called before, right?
unidentified		No, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, it's the first time caller line anyway, but it is open line, so go ahead.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
		I got a couple incidents that happened to me while I was in New England.
		You might be able to shed a little bit of light on these.
		I've been listening to you for about a year now, and I hear a lot of different things.
		Well, I pulled off the side of the road.
		I was taking a ride with my fiancé, and we pulled off the side of the road.
		I had to use the restroom, and it was in kind of a remote area near Exeter, New Hampshire.
		And I get out of the car and walk up to the edge of the woods, and it was really, really dark.
		And as I walked up to the edge of the woods, I'm standing at the edge of the woods, and I couldn't see into the woods because the light was behind me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't pull off at a restroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were headed for the woods for your doings.
unidentified		Yeah, I was using the woods for my break.
		And I walk up to the edge of the woods, and as I'm standing there, I couldn't see into the woods, but I heard a little rustling about 20 feet off.
		And I didn't think anything of it, and I'm just standing there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll usually put you off a little bit in terms of your business.
unidentified		Yeah, but all of a sudden I just heard two distinct footsteps, just a thump, thump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thump, thump.
unidentified		and what about it was like it was a real good i did it on the call you mean you mean like It was a weird sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By now, if you're not zipping up, you're not human.
unidentified		I didn't get it.
		Every hair on my body stood up.
		And I'm standing there, and as I'm standing there, I couldn't move.
		But all of a sudden, a couple feet over my head, I hear this breathing sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I never moved so fast in my entire life.
		I flew over the hood of the car, into the front seat, and I had a soda sitting on the dashboard.
		I took off, and it flew all over my girlfriend.
		And then about a month later, I'm with a friend of mine who I actually rode in a bus with from Florida to New Hampshire.
		And Dan and I were out in the woods behind his house near a swamp, and it was frozen over, and we were stargazing.
		And we were looking at some of the constellations, and as we were doing so, we heard a crash in the woods across the swamp from us.
		And it was a really dark night.
		That's why we went out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you met up with the environmental guardian monster.
unidentified		Is that what it was, anyway?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were about to truly foul the environment, right?
unidentified		No, no, no.
unidentified		Oh, yes, you were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You told me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not really.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, that night.
		Okay, yeah, this is a totally separate incident.
		These are two different incidents.
		The first one, I was getting ready.
		Well, I actually already started.
		I never even put it back in my pants.
		I jumped right in the car and took off.
		Sure.
		The second one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you've got to admit, sir, before we move on, you're going to be less likely to stop the car and walk into the woods for your business from now on, right?
unidentified		Actually, I'm still notorious for doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you really?
unidentified		Yeah, I love nature.
		Got to be outside.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, be careful, the bobbit monsters out there.
unidentified		The next time, Dean and I, anyways, we're standing out there, and it was in the middle of the woods in Barrington, New Hampshire, and we're in the swamp, and the next thing you know, we're standing in the woods, and across the swamp, we heard a crash into the ice, and we heard a squeal.
unidentified		Like I've never, I could actually make it almost exactly, and it freaks me out every time I hear myself do the squeal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The sound?
unidentified		the sound of whatever it was and it just started coming at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything at all like that?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
		Holy shoot.
		You know what that is, don't you?
		That's a real recording of a Bigfoot.
		That's what that is, a real recording of the Bigfoot.
		no i was spending too much That's what it is.
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		Wait, wait, art, art, art.
		Is there any way you can put that audio file on your website so my wife can hear this?
		You want to?
		I want my wife to hear this.
		She's in bed right now.
		She's pregnant.
		I don't want to wake her up.
		I want her to hear this because that is exactly what I heard, man.
		I could make the sound for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
unidentified		you could make that sound i could make that sound almost just like you just Let me shut this window here because I got neighbors in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and you do have a pregnant wife.
unidentified		This is what I heard, Art.
		Yeah, go ahead.
		And I'm on a portable phone, but this is what I heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		And it was coming right at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty disgusting.
unidentified		And it was moving through the woods, through the swamp, crushing through the ice.
unidentified		You'd hear it splashing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it, you ran, sorry.
		I'm out of time here.
		You ran.
unidentified		We never stopped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good for you.
unidentified		More than nothing but bad luck.
		Since the day I saw the cat at the door, so I came into you, sweet lady.
		She's been your mistress of all.
		Kissed them all on the table.
		Showing up you to the past.
		Same cat with me and me all eyes.
		And I knew it was a span.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Ghost AM.
unidentified		She's like the devil.
		Come on, we live on our minds.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, are the Raiders chicken butt this year or what?
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		It's a great time, and you're a great bunch.
		Here we go.
		First time caller line, you're on there.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Yes.
		This is Sarah Jane from the Appalachian Mountains of Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sarah Jane, how are you?
unidentified		Just great.
		It's a thrill to talk to you.
		I've been listeners since 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A while now.
unidentified		Yeah, so I've been through a lot.
unidentified		You too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you're right, you have.
unidentified		And I just love your show.
unidentified		And I just have to say that I had the best laugh the way JC and you go after each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		JC is, he's cut from a different cloth.
unidentified		Well, I just, he just gave, I mean, we just had the best laugh, and that's what, you know, I love you, I love JC, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have to understand that JC is serious.
unidentified		You mean that, and I'm not making fun of him at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even though he comes off the way he does, he's absolutely serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are people who live their lives the way JC does.
unidentified		No, and I'm not making fun of JC.
		I hope if you're listening, I'm not.
		I just said that I thank you, JC, for being who he is.
		And just to say that he lifted my solo.
		But anyway, I was going to talk about cloning, but before I do, I was saying that last call about in the woods, sounds in the woods.
		Yes.
		Have you ever heard a wildcat?
		Yes.
		Boy, they'll tell you, being alone in the woods and hearing a wildcat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in the middle of that business.
		Bad news.
		Bad news.
		Anyway, you wanted to say something about cloning?
unidentified		Yes.
		When you brought the subject up first, I was kind of neutral on it one way or the other.
		I didn't have one reaction one way or the other on it.
		But you did bring up some good points, you know, Khan and some of your speakers have given some good points on Pro.
		But I was really appalled that should cloning come to a human being, that some people would judge this person not to have a soul.
		I mean, what are we to say somebody has a soul or not?
		How do you judge such a thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me give you a little test, all right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If a clone was born and raised to young adulthood and or perhaps early 20s, and the person had no emotion, didn't express any emotion, happiness, sadness, jealousy, no human emotion.
unidentified		What would that make you think?
		I don't know.
		There are people that are not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if this were true of all clones, what would you think?
unidentified		There was something wrong with the cloning process.
		Whether that would indicate that, you know, it didn't have a soul or not.
		But I was afraid, even if they did show emotion, there'd be people that would say, this person doesn't have a soul, therefore it's not human, doesn't have a soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or how would you feel if they created a clone and then genetically modified it so that it was so far advanced that, frankly, to it, you would look like an ant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it would have no more regard for you than you might have for an ant you would step on on the sidewalk.
unidentified		I'd probably run.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are some.
unidentified		The point I was making, I don't think we're ready as a society.
unidentified		Oh, I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't think so either.
unidentified		I mean, if we try to make these judgments at this point and we're ready to condemn any living thing as being soulless and godless.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the other hand, ready or not, here we go.
unidentified		That is an argument that may be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now here's the final.
		Here's the final ultimate test.
		All right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you?
unidentified		50.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		50.
		If you were in the hospital, dying, maybe the doctor's giving you a day or two or even a week if you're lucky, because your heart was failing.
		But there's this clone heart available.
		This perfect, absolutely guaranteed not-to-be-rejected heart available from a clone.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you accept it?
unidentified		No, I would not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would die instead.
unidentified		I would not take another life or my life.
unidentified		And I'm not afraid of death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an absolutely honest answer, right?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, then, all right.
		You pass.
		I don't know how many people would really give that answer.
		And, you know, it's not so unrealistic.
		This little test I'm giving you.
		It's not unrealistic at all.
		There are, of course, a lot of deathbed conversions.
		They had a PSA that I really enjoyed, and I forget where I heard it running some radio station, but, you know, it was exactly that situation.
		The guy was dying, and he was being offered a heart.
		And I don't know, he was a white guy, and I can't remember.
		It was a heart of like a black man or an American Indian or something or another.
		And he was sitting there saying, oh, no, no, no, no.
		And the doctor was saying, well, then you're going to die.
		And there was this immediate conversion.
		So I don't know.
		When it got right down to it, I'm not sure how many people really would refuse.
		I mean, these are the dangers.
		This is life and death.
		It's life and death.
		And there's a lot of positive possible aspects to this technology.
		But oh, my gosh, the downside.
		Anyway, it doesn't really matter.
		It's academic because we are going to proceed.
		You and I both know we're going to proceed.
		If we can do it, we're going to do it.
		Wild Cardeline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		Hi, it's good to have you back, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to be back, believe me.
unidentified		Yeah, and also good to hear Gabriel's horn out there, too.
		That was good.
		Actually, I wanted to run this by you to see what your opinion is on dreams and two people having the same dream at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean by this the same dream?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A shared dream?
unidentified		Well, you know, I should run it by you so you can really understand the nature of it.
		Okay.
		My mother was sick with cancer.
		She was in the later stages.
		And I had a dream one morning before getting up to take care of her.
		And I had a dream that this was kind of weird in itself, but there was like paranormal effects in the house going on.
		I thought it was awake.
		And furniture was floating, all this other weird stuff.
		And I went down to her room.
		She was laying in bed.
		And there was like a shelf on the wall that fell as all this paranormal activity was going on.
		It fell down and it hit her head and it knocked her out.
		And I was standing over her by her bed and I was yelling, you know, mom, mom.
		I was yelling louder and louder to see if she would come to.
		And she did come to.
		And right about then, I guess I woke up at that point.
		And I looked over at the clock, and it was 7.30 in the morning.
		I brushed my eyes away.
		And I got up, and I went and got her breakfast, and I brought it in to her.
		And as I did, she said, what are you doing?
		She was all confused.
		And I said, well, I'm bringing you breakfast.
		She goes, you were just standing here a minute ago.
		I said, no, I haven't been in here yet.
		And she went, but you were standing there and you were saying, mom, mom, mom.
		And I got irritated and I yelled, what?
		And she said that that woke her up when she said, what?
		And at that time, that's when she looked at me.
		She said, oh, I must have been having a dream.
		And I asked her, what time was that?
		And she said, that was about 7.30.
		It was about around that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll give you my best guess.
unidentified		Yeah, what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you probably had an out-of-body experience.
unidentified		Yeah, and I wonder, because with the dream, all the other paranormal phenomena going on in the dream, it's kind of strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's my best guess, that you were out of your body because it was shared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, it could have been, I suppose, a shared dream, but it really sounds...
unidentified		Does that suggest that maybe that dreams are kind of like a gateway to experiences that we don't normally have when we're conscious?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
		Yeah, of course.
		You're in a very different state then.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, but that's my best guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could have been a shared dream, but I think you probably were out of your body.
unidentified		Okay, all right.
unidentified		Well, I appreciate it, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care and travel well.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Scott Collins from Monroe.
		Yes.
		Louisiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I want to talk to you about cloning, but first I want to ask you about something I hadn't heard about in a long time, and that's there was a tunnel that led from the big pyramid to the Sphinx, supposedly leading to the Hall of Records.
		Right.
		Do you remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, yes, of course.
unidentified		Well, whatever came of that, do you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they still firmly believe from all the testing they've done that it is there.
		But the Egyptian authorities are not presently, or either that or they're just now presently allowing some drilling or digs to take place.
		They were very much against the exploration, but almost everybody who's looked at it believes it's there.
unidentified		Yeah, I've seen pictures or the sonograms and seen stuff like that.
unidentified		It's just really weird, especially what Edgar Casey had to say about the chamber under there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think we would find if, in fact, there was a hall of records and we got to it?
		What do you think would be there?
		What kind of records?
		What would we find out?
unidentified		I think that we would be really, really amazed.
		I think that it might be something really even beyond our own technology today.
		Like you said, there's no way today to move those stones.
		There's just no way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, I think the power of that secret would be there along with a lot more.
unidentified		I agree.
		I think that they might even have some kind of sort of like a time capsule saying this is us, this is why we built them.
		This is why we put them right here because everything, I've seen the stories about how everything's true north and it has pie in it before pie was supposed to be available.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can go on and on and on.
unidentified		On and on, right.
		But I think that I just can't wait if they reveal it, if they reveal it.
		I don't know if they will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's another unfortunate school of thought, and that is that unfortunately, people, modern people, have already been there, and the secrets and the important stuff have been taken away and are now being secured by secret societies.
unidentified		That wouldn't surprise me at all.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it really wouldn't surprise me either.
unidentified		Getting back to this cloning, though, there's an aspect of this cloning that most of us haven't even considered yet, and I want to run it by you.
		Sure.
		And if we are successful at creating clones, and if it becomes legal to own clones, even if they're only capable of menial work such as washing dishes or making their bed or whatever, we must assume that they will be capable eventually of reproduction.
		And if we assume that these clones have no soul, then we must also assume that their offspring will have no soul.
		But we as Americans also must grant them the benefit of the doubt and assign rise to these clones so that we won't be just creating just a race of slaves.
		But these clones must also be differentiated from the humans.
		So perhaps they'll be engineered with a certain visible defect, perhaps a birthmark on the arm or forehead, so that we can get away with the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you could have one of these relatively brainless, hard-working, virtual slaves, and you could buy one, would you?
unidentified		I think I'd wait for the robots.
unidentified		I'd much rather, I'd feel much more comfortable with a machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But a robot is never going to be, well, I shouldn't say never, but certainly in the foreseeable future, it's never going to get close to what would be near human function.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No way.
unidentified		I personally would not.
		It would be too weird for me.
		i mean uh...
		i don't know i don't think that uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		even well first of all i don't think that they would make a clone that was just stupid And they wouldn't mind because they wouldn't think about it.
unidentified		Yeah, but that's not the point.
		We would mind.
		There would be too many of us that would mind, and we wouldn't allow it to go very far.
		We'd say, okay, if you're going to create clones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you might not buy one, but how many people do you think would turn it down, and how many people do you think would buy it?
unidentified		That's the scary number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite a few, probably, huh?
unidentified		Probably so, yes.
		But I was just wondering, you know, about the reproduction and all that stuff.
		I mean, how long before all the religious people come out and say, well, you know, here's a bunch of soulless human-like creatures carrying the mark of the beast.
		You know, and that's not a sign of the quickening, then I don't know what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the really frightening thing is that with what they have just done, all of this is now really within reach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the things we're talking about could be in the rather immediate future.
unidentified		How soon do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our lifetimes.
unidentified		Do you think?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think probably in some very quiet labs, it's already going on now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may have already gone on.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's how fast it's moving.
unidentified		Well, I appreciate it, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it, Skull.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have the opportunity, I guess, if we wanted to play God.
		But we all might remember the lesson of the Nephilim, right?
		If we were to begin creating these beings for our pleasure and our leisure, we might well remember the Nephilim.
		I'm not saying there's a direct correlation, but there might be.
		And if there is God looking down, that might be the final straw.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Ert, this is Kurt in Grover Beach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Curious, why the David Blaine photograph on the website?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because someone said it to me, and I looked at it, and I said, well, he's levitating.
		That's why.
		I just, it blew me away.
		I can't see where he's standing on a toe.
		Can you?
unidentified		Well, this particular, I'm a magician myself, and this particular subject has been covered extensively since the show aired, which was, I think, a couple of years ago.
		Well.
		And essentially, you know, I'm not going to give any secrets away here, but what he was doing is called the Balducci levitation.
		and in person, I assure you, it does not look like that.
		That particular shot, which is the only shot that you actually see of the levitation being performed by him on that show, was rigged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is on a sidewalk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The shot I've got is on a sidewalk.
unidentified		No, correct.
unidentified		But that particular image was taken from the show that was aired on ABC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, whatever.
unidentified		So anyway, the point being is that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll tell you what.
		Listen to me.
		The point being, after the break, if you can hold on.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on to what you're saying.
unidentified		Drop it on the sea of heartbreak.
unidentified		Trying to keep myself ashore for so long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just want to talk to David Blaine.
		You know, it just looks to me like he's levitating.
		Maybe it's a treat.
unidentified		Listen to the strangest stories.
		Wondering where it all went wrong for so long.
		For so long.
		Thank you.
		Hold on, hold on, hold on, see what you got.
		He was born on a summer day, 1951 And with a slap of a hand, he had managed to father said, What a lovely boy.
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		It'll teach him how to fight to be.
		Nobody's through.
		Oh, oh, what a lonely boy.
		Oh, what a lonely boy.
		In the summer of 53, his mother brought him a sister.
		Told him we must have been doing.
		member than you Well he went on the whole and he cried Oh, how could his parents have lied when they said he wasn't only one He thought he was the only one Reachart Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies dial 1-800-618-8255 East of the Rockies 1-800-825-5033 First-time
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		He sounds like somebody from the legal department, doesn't he?
		All right, back to my caller.
		You're back on there, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Well, anyway, I guess my point was to just enlighten you a little bit on what exactly occurred there, and that is that the show that they taped, David performed that levitation in front of a whole bunch of people.
		They showed a bunch of different clips of people reacting.
		But they only showed him do the levitation once.
		And that is from the shot that you see on the show.
		What it is, is the actual levitation he's doing does not look like that in person.
		They did an enhanced rigged shot for the purpose of the show.
		And to this day, everyone kind of wonders why he did that.
		Well, in accurate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I'd author up.
		I had a caller a little while ago who said he was there and saw this when it happened.
		And he was 10 feet away from the guy's legs.
unidentified		Right.
		That's true.
		Well, I actually do this myself.
		I performed this levitation.
		In fact, I'm actually considering doing a quick time little video for you of myself doing it, and I can email it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do it.
unidentified		I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if it's good, I'll put it up.
unidentified		And you'll be able to see what it actually looks like from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Am I going to see your toe somehow touching the ground?
unidentified		It is a very, very good illusion.
		It is a perfect illusion.
		But it's all about the psychological setup.
		I'd say 80% of it is about what is said to the individual who's about to see it prior to doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, see, I can't buy that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, sir, I looked at this photograph with nobody telling me.
unidentified		You're correct.
		Yes, yes, yes.
		You are correct.
		Regarding that photo, you are correct.
		But that is because that photo, again, was coming from a rigged situation.
		And again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But how do you, as like, how do you rig walking on water?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you rig being in midair?
unidentified		Well, in this particular shot that you're looking at on your website, there is a fulcrum that was set up that's going around his waist, under his shirt, going forward, out, forward, past, beyond him to a point on the sidewalk that you cannot see, and a counterweight that is lifting him.
		Either that or it is cables that were lifting him.
		Whatever.
		All right, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, but okay, but all right.
		Look, I appreciate your call, but you sort of gave yourself away.
		You don't really know.
		You're imagining it's got to be this or it's got to be that.
		There's got to be something out in front of him or there's got to be wires hanging or something or another.
		You don't really know.
		You're just imagining because you have no explanation for it.
		And I don't either.
		That's my point.
		I would like to talk to Mr. Blaine.
		Oh, this is an ABC picture.
		See, it says ABC there.
		I hope they're not upset with us.
		I just noticed it says ABC.
		Bill Laura sent this to us.
		Well, I suppose you better go look at it before ABC jumps down our throat and says we're not supposed to put it up.
		You know, he looks like he's in midair.
		I would like to talk to him.
		That's all.
		I just don't.
		I don't.
		But of course, that's the object of magic, isn't it?
		A magician's magic that you're not supposed to know how he does it, but I mean, right, this is right.
unidentified		It's okay.
unidentified		Sidewalk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time call online, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, good morning, Art.
		My name is Bridget, and I'm calling from Niagara Falls, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the honeymoon capital.
unidentified		Yes, happy December 1st and healthy December 1st and all of that to you and all of your listeners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I have a thought that I'd like to share with you in the imagination about cloning.
		Okay.
		I know that you're a very imaginative Advant Guard person and you can imagine souls waiting for humans to become so that they can come to earth and experience being human beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be the Guff.
unidentified		The Guff?
		Yeah, they call it.
		And I wonder, I'd like to ask you, is it possible to imagine souls waiting for clones to become so that they can have the experience?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can imagine souls swimming around and wherever they swim around and like a bunch of guppies just waiting for.
unidentified		All kinds of things.
		Sure.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wanted your thoughts on that because it could be that a clone engineered by a human being would simply be a receptacle for a soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
unidentified		It could be.
unidentified		Of a certain sort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The problem, though, is we don't know, do we?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		I'm using my imagination, and I wonder if that's possible in your imagination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I can easily imagine that, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, there may be souls who are waiting for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
		All right.
		Yeah, there could be a whole pool of souls that are ready to inculcate themselves into human clones.
		And it may be that we are supposed to clone.
		It may be that we are supposed to become the masters of our own design.
		Maybe.
		I mean, I can look at that aspect of it, and I can agree with a lady and say maybe it is meant to be.
		If God will allow us to do it, then perhaps we should be allowed to do it.
		Or maybe not.
		It could be a big maybe not.
		But yeah, it could go either way, sure.
		Wild Carline, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Mike in Seattle.
		Hi, Mike.
		I read an article on David Blaine, right?
		And before all this got kicked off, he walked into and talked to the executives of ABC.
		They gave him a million-dollar contract on the spot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They did?
unidentified		So he's not just pulling a rabbit salt a hat.
unidentified		All right, he must have done something pretty spectacular to get that kind of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you could go into like an ABC executive's office, you know, with a bunch of the big wigs sitting around smoking their cigars, if you can still do that these days, and if he levitated off the floor for them, I can imagine them writing a million-dollar contract right on the spot.
unidentified		and i was wondering if you get to talk to him can you be in the same room with him when this goes down There's no way to get him up to you where you're at then?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, there's always ways to do everything.
		I don't know.
		If I were to see somebody actually levitate in front of me, I'd probably lose my cookies.
		I mean, wouldn't you?
unidentified		Yes.
		I saw the guy on TV.
		He has more than one TV show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, here I've got the photograph.
		I think it's interesting enough that I would like to have him on.
		And I've already given him a million dollars in publicity tonight.
		But, you know, maybe he deserves it.
		I mean, if you really can do this, what can I say?
		I'd like to ask him about it.
		Wouldn't that be an interesting interview?
unidentified		Yes, he's done more than one special, so I've seen him do it more than once.
		And there's people, they go, it panned the camera from the people right to him, and it's happening.
		It's not like they're splitting up the segments.
		Well, it's all one even flow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that's my point.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very interesting.
		Thank you very much.
		Yeah, the photograph.
		I hope ABC doesn't yell at us.
		They probably won't.
		I mean, it's good publicity, right?
		Look at this photograph.
		How to look at the photograph.
		Everybody, we can't see the photograph.
		Go to artbill.com.
		What's new?
		And the first item there is David Blaine levitation photo.
		The second item is the beginning of the orb collection, people sending orb photographs.
		And the third is Ghost in Indonesia.
		And the Ghost in Indonesia, oh, my, my, my.
		It's got to be one of the top 1% ghost photographs we've ever received.
		I reject, as I said last night, about 99.9% of them and send on to Keith the ones that I consider to be particularly interesting.
		Some, just fairly interesting.
		This one, high interest.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is John from Glun, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		What's really not a speculation or an illusion is the change in the weather that's really been frightening me.
unidentified		I'm a hunter up here in northern Minnesota, and I'm 52 years old, and I've been watching the weather pretty closely for a number of decades now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is changing.
unidentified		In November, the high is normally about 36 degrees, and the low is about 15, 16 degrees or so.
		What we normally do is shoot a deer and hang it up in a tree, and when we get around to it, we'll cut it up three days later, or who knows when.
		But the first half of November up here was 50 and 60 degree temperatures for the first full half of November.
		It was just frightening.
		And it keeps sparking thoughts in my minds.
		My mind when I remember the people you've had on, like Ed Dames, he's mentioned the word ice age.
		You know, what goes up must come down.
		And also the coming global superstar, of course, and the Master of the Keys talked about that.
		And then, you know, I was looking at Sean Morton the last time he was on, and I was kind of in the hospital.
		My wife was having a baby, and I was running in between rooms here trying to catch you, you know.
		But anyway, Sean Morton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trying to catch my show?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		While your wife's having a baby in the hospital?
unidentified		Well, yeah.
		I found a room.
		I couldn't pick it up except for one doorway in this one hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the devotion, but that's really pushing it.
unidentified		Well, it was light labor at the time.
		So anyway.
		But the thing about Sean Morton, though, is he affirmed the coming global superstar at one point that I heard talking about that there was a military report saying nuclear testing has thrown the Earth's rotation off a bit and it's going to precipitate a pole shift about 2012.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many believe that, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would also count to the end of the Mayan calendar.
unidentified		That's pretty much what I caught from that.
unidentified		But he was affirming that whole scenario, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, anybody who thinks the weather isn't changing is out of their mind.
		We're slowly boiling frogs here.
		The weather's obviously changing.
		In fact, I think it's such a done deal that we should begin imagining how we're going to shift the farming to account for it.
		And that process should begin now.
		You know, that'll prevent a lot of starvation.
		The weather is changing, so we have to change with it.
		But I think the argument about whether or not it is changing is over.
		It is.
		Global warming is occurring.
		A cycle is changing.
		Whether you want to believe it a natural cycle or you want to believe man's hand in there sort of pushing it along a little bit.
		Either way, it's a done deal.
		It's a fact.
		So we should begin dealing with how we're going to modify what we do to maintain our good lifestyle.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		I'm talking to Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that would be me.
unidentified		Okay.
		This is Patrick and Kingman.
		I would like to add a little bit to the program in just confirming that there are a lot of people around that do believe in spiritual abilities such as levitation, disappear here, reappear there, as in dematerialization and rematerialization and levitating objects and even causing objects to disappear and reappear, etc., etc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just that usually there's no real solid proof for it.
		That's the problem.
		I understand there are a lot of people who believe in it, but there's very little except anecdotal evidence.
		Now, getting a photograph of somebody doing it, well, you know, that's a little movement away from anecdotal evidence toward more like toward, oh my God, look at that.
		That is some photograph.
		It really is.
		Yeah, I've got to talk to him.
		I've really got to talk to him.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		This is Art Bell?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		Oh, geez.
		Sorry about that.
		Hold on a second.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holding while she doesn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We bring you on the air right away, you know, so you've got to have that radio nearby to turn it off quickly.
unidentified		You there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called radio on the fly.
		Yes, I'm here.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Sorry about that.
		I got a question for you.
		You know, ever since the recent capturing of the cities in Afghanistan, I'm a little bit off the topics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no topic.
unidentified		Well, that's debatable.
		All of a sudden, we've noticed that the focus has kind of shifted from the capture of bin Laden.
		Nobody seems to be talking, well, the media especially are not talking that much about the capture of bin Laden.
		I just wanted to get your comments on that.
		I was wondering what you thought of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think if they don't get bin Laden, it's not going to be considered a success.
		They either have to get his dead body or him, one way or the other, or there will be complaints forever and ever and ever about this whole thing.
		So they'll get him.
unidentified		Well, okay, another question.
		If they get bin Laden, and a lot of people may or may not agree, it's not going to be the end of that.
		And the al-Qaeda, obviously, well, not obviously, but in my opinion, has networks all over, including the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And our government firmly believes that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right, yes.
unidentified		So, I mean, why do you think our government is so hip on just getting bin Laden when they should be able to get it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think he's a good beginning because I think they believe that he ordered the attacks on September 11th, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I think there's good reason to get bastard and do whatever.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now, that doesn't mean it's going to be the end of terrorism, and they're saying that.
		You know, they're being pretty frank about that.
		It's not going to be the end of terrorism.
		But if this guy ordered that, then I hope he goes straight to hell.
unidentified		Yeah, well, so do I. One last question.
		Here it is.
		Now, I understand that a lot of the abortion clinics were getting messages and not just messages, but mail, threat mail, about, well, was it?
		Oh, yeah, the big scare, the anthrax.
		Now, alrighty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't heard that at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the abortion clinics get threats and bombs go off and get burned down all the time, but not anything to do with the 9-11 stuff.
unidentified		Well, exactly.
		I'm talking like 96, 97.
		Yeah, okay.
		They got stuff in the mail about anthrax and stuff, and of course, nobody really responded too much about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for one thing, sir, nothing ever happened.
		I don't see the connection between the two.
		Nothing ever happened.
		As far as I know, there was never any anthrax sent to any abortion clinic.
		It was usually pretty crude stuff, you know, burn it down, blow it up.
		That's what they were doing.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm actually in Canada, Hammond, Alberta.
unidentified		We got about a foot and a half of snow tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You betcha?
unidentified		Okay.
		We want to talk about cloning real quick.
		Sure.
		And I know it's your show and I want you to do the talking.
		Just thought I'd throw you away for an idea.
		Well, I don't want to follow a boat rocker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A clone could be instructed to shovel snow, you know, 12 hours a day.
unidentified		Well, that's what kids are for.
unidentified		We just pass on 21 chromosomes apiece.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those kind of clones.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, okay.
unidentified		I really like the imagination that the lady earlier a few minutes ago had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she's right.
unidentified		She is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it could go either way.
unidentified		Well, I got a curveball to carry on from her idea.
		Okay.
		Which would be, you know, we are a bit of an arrogant species, first of all.
		And I just want to know what you think about this idea that maybe there could be clones or souls waiting for bodies that just might be clones.
		But what if we scientifically proved that everybody's born with a soul, so that it doesn't come from somewhere else, it's a physiological thing.
		There are stranger things that have happened.
		So that none of us really have souls.
		It's a metaphysical or physical thing that exists in our body already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what if we proved nobody has any souls?
unidentified		Well, that's part of the point.
		The other point is maybe we are clones.
		Everything all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure, I've thought of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, relatives of the Anunnaki?
unidentified		Well, I don't have to convince you that there's gold or life in the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That we're all gold diggers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Relatives of gold diggers, right?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, sometimes, you know, we get a little comfy in our idea of what is reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I always thought there was something to that.
		I mean, that we were bred to dig gold.
		The Anunnaki bred us to dig gold.
		Now, what's the foundation for that?
		Nothing solid, but consider the human reaction to gold.
		You know what they call gold fever?
		It'll happen to you.
		Try it sometimes.
		Hold some solid gold in your hand.
		I don't care whether it's a solid gold coin or it's a solid gold nugget.
		Hold it in your hand, and a weird feeling will come over you.
		A little bit of that gold fever.
		It'll come over you in a wave.
		Humans have got something about gold.
unidentified		Never frightened or worried.
		I know I always get by.
		I heat up, cool down.
		Don't forget my way ungrounded.
		Don't let light get me down.
		Gonna take it the way that I found it I got music in there, I got music in there I got music in there, yeah She doesn't give you time for questions As she
		locks up your arm and holds And you follow through your sense Of which direction completely disappears By the blue cloud walls near the pockets of stones With the hidden door she leads you to These days she says I feel my life Just like a river running through The air of the cat
		Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye From west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255 East of the Rockies 1-800-825-5033 First time callers may reach out at 1-775-727-1222 And the wild card line is open at 1-775-727-1295 To reach out on the ground
		on the toll-free international line call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My website has rotating front pages.
		You know, you get a new picture almost every time you click.
		And I just happened to click on it this time, and it shows a simulation of human DNA, the human DNA strand.
		It says Art Bell at the top, then at the bottom, over the DNA strand, it says, want to take a ride?
unidentified		Oh, my God.
		Think about that.
		That's going to be a ride, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going to be a ride for the whole human race.
		Strange times ahead, folks.
		No thunder before its time.
		All right, back to the lines.
		First time caller align.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		This is Paul in District Heights, Maryland.
		Hi, Paul.
		I've been listening to your program since Hail Bop came by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a while ago.
unidentified		And you've had some great guests on.
unidentified		But one of my favorites is Dr. David Jacobs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, me too.
unidentified		And I've read his book, The Threat.
unidentified		And I've read it twice, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I happen to agree with Dr. Jacobs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know there are a lot of people out there who think these visitors inevitably are going to be advanced, spiritually pure, wonderful creatures who are going to lead us into the golden age.
unidentified		However, I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think there's every possibility they could have ill intentions.
		And all of history on Earth proves that.
		Every culture we've touched, we've polluted, and we're ruined.
		So why would we think that our culture being touched would be such a good thing?
unidentified		Yeah, and he's very, well, he's very serious.
		Anyone who's read his book, he's very scared about this phenomenon of abduction and what it means.
		And so I'd like to, well, anything that the public, I think it's something to be taken seriously.
		Betty and Barney Hill seem to be serious people, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I talked to Betty Hill about a month ago.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm eventually going to have Betty on.
		She doesn't stay up late.
		She'd really like to tell her story on the show, and I'd really like to have her do it.
		So I keep checking back with her, and she's a really nice lady, and she really wants to come on.
		It's just a matter of staying up.
unidentified		That would be great.
		Yep.
		That would be fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Yep.
		She's out there.
		Robert Ghostwolf was another great guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I haven't heard him for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has been a while, hasn't it?
unidentified		But thank you for a fascinating show, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And thank you for your call.
		Take care.
		Yeah, Betty Hill is a very, very nice lady, and we've had quite a few talks.
		I guess I've never told you about this, but she's just, she just doesn't, there are people, you know, who don't keep these hours that we keep.
		And to ask them to come on the air, she just had some recent surgery, and, you know, she's a day person.
		And it's kind of tough to stay up, but I'll talk her into it one of these nights.
		Wild Cardline, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, Art, how are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Okay, we're all talking about cloning tonight, so the question is, they say that the clones won't have a soul, but if you have a male clone and a female clone breed, will they create a soul with the baby?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are questions that we have no answer to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, my guess is that if we successfully, and that's really a big if, successfully cloned human beings, I kind of think they would have souls, or we would think they have souls, because they would appear to be as you and me.
unidentified		Yeah, but they say, well, let's use them for spare parts.
unidentified		Well, isn't that like opening the Pandora's box?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the spare parts argument would have to include genetic manipulation.
		In other words, you would create a being with all the physical proper parts in the right place, except for the brain.
		There'd virtually be probably nothing but a brain stem there, you know, not a full brain.
		And so they would make the argument that this person would be ideal for organ donation.
unidentified		Or for a super soldier?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or for a super soldier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, there's lots of dark areas in cloning.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		By the way, this is Charles on Driving Across Oklahoma, listening to you on 1200 WOAI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Okay, the second question is, well, there hasn't been that many UFO sightings.
unidentified		Do you think they're just waiting, sitting back and seeing what's going to happen with what happened on 9-11?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're actually wrong about the UFO sightings.
		And we kind of talked a little bit about this last night.
		There have been, in fact, there's been a lot of UFO sightings.
		In fact, right here in Pahrump, Nevada, where I am, there have been many, many recent UFO sightings.
		It's just that since 9-11, nothing else has been in the news save this program.
		And even we devoted a very great deal of time, of course, after 9-11 to the whole thing.
		And continue to, to some degree.
		But it's, you know, it wiped everything off the news.
		Everything.
		And as I explained last night, UFO stories, even big ones, tend to be not the lead items on newscasts.
		Right?
		In fact, a lot of times, they're kickers.
		So, you know, UFOs have been wiped so far off the news slate that you just don't hear about them.
		But trust me when I tell you, the reports have not diminished.
		In fact, perhaps the contrary.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Pleasant good morning to you from Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oklahoma again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, I was wanting to talk to you and maybe let your listeners know a little bit about some rare occurrences in the night sky coming up this month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Earlier, a lot of people may have missed it.
		They may have seen it.
		The moon occulted or passed in front of Saturn.
		It was earlier in the evening.
		This is going to happen again.
		If those people get out there and if they don't already have a telescope from Hardin optical, they get one for Christmas, December 28th.
		It will happen again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now that is fortunate timing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if one were to find a telescope under their Christmas tree, or perhaps in the case of the Hardin scope, supporting the Christmas tree, they would have three days later a rare opportunity, wouldn't they?
unidentified		Oh, yes, and the moon won't quite be full, so Saturn will slip behind the moon rings first.
unidentified		And you watch it in a telescope, it's a spectacular sight because the rings just slowly disappear from the planet and the rest of the rings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		December 14th, of course, the night of 13th, 14th, is the Geminid meteor shower, which they're known for their fireballs.
unidentified		Not that many, you know, maybe 35, 40 if you're out in a real dark area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but fireballs are really cool.
unidentified		Oh, they are.
		They are.
		And then on the evening, or towards the sunset of the 14th, your listeners on the east coast are going to see a partial solar eclipse as the sun sets.
		Of course, the sun will be higher as you get west, but there will be a partial solar eclipse.
		Depending on how far north you live, it will be better the further south the listeners are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Up to about what percent, do you know?
unidentified		Okay, in your area, it's going to probably run around 20%.
		Uh-huh.
		As you get up towards Canada, I think the northern limit, it's just over the border into Canada.
		Probably down around, oh, say, 40%.
		for northern Montana and the Dakotas 10% well here in Oklahoma it'll run about 30 percent Well, that's a pretty good lineup of events on the way.
		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what I've always noticed about solar eclipses.
		You would think partials, or even very good partials, would only sort of look like dusk coming on.
		But to me, a pretty good solar eclipse has always looked like the air has suddenly become thin.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the only way I can describe it.
		It's not like sunset.
		It's like the air gets thin.
		It's really, it's weird.
unidentified		You will notice it if a person who's used to being out in the sunlight will notice that.
		Just like I think it's on, well, December 30th, two weeks later, we're going to have a lunar eclipse, but it'll be what they call a prenumbal, which means that the Earth is only going to be, the moon is only going to be in the partial shadow of the Earth.
		And people who's not used to looking at the moon will never notice it.
		It just dims a little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear about NASA's plan to move Earth?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		I don't think that's such a wise idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a possible way to handle global warming, NASA actually is proposing moving the Earth further away from the Sun.
		Now, try and imagine that for a moment.
		Assuming they could do it.
		Maybe they can.
		Assuming they could do it, that's exactly what would occur.
		The sun, as we moved our planet...
		The sun would begin to get smaller and smaller.
		The air would get thinner and thinner looking.
		It would be really weird.
		And their idea is to move the Earth away from the sun for a period of time to adjust the climate, reduce global warming, and then when the cycle reversed, they would move the planet back toward the sun.
		Now, I don't know why, but I have this feeling that it's the old nothing can go wrong scenario.
		And they would begin moving the Earth either away from the Sun or then later closer to the Sun.
		And something would go tragically wrong.
		But imagine what it would be like to wake up every day and see yourself farther from the Sun because the whole Earth was moving.
		NASA seriously proposed this.
		West of the Rockies, your army, or hello?
unidentified		Hi, this is Bill in San Jose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bill.
unidentified		How are you doing?
		I got a take on that NASA moving the Earth.
		What are they going to tell everybody to lean left so we'll shift our orbit?
		Move it back, have everybody lean right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, if I recall properly, the plan is to get a gigantic rock headed toward the Earth.
		And it wouldn't actually hit the Earth.
		NASA would arrange to have it just graze our atmosphere in order to nudge us out of our present orbit and move us a little bit further away from the Sun.
unidentified		And these are the same people that can't send a small little probe to Mars to take some pictures and let them throw a big massive rock at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be the same people.
unidentified		Okay, I had a new take on the cloning project.
		Now, let's say, you know, the FBI, they have, say, that hunk of hair we're talking about for cloning.
		Now, what if they had evidence on a crime scene of DNA, but they don't have any idea what the person looks like?
		Couldn't they use that to clone the person to know what they look like?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I guess so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you mean to you get a sample of the DNA?
unidentified		On the crime scene of this murderer that killed X amount of people.
		They don't know what he looks like, but they have his DNA.
		Couldn't they make a copy of him so they know what he looks like, so they know who they're going after?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now, the possible fly in that ointment would be that you would now have an exact clone of this serial killer, let's say.
unidentified		This is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Axe murderer, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And while you might then find out who he is, you would now have copy number two on your hands.
unidentified		But even though it will be equal, copy, will it still have the same bad traits?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a pretty good chance it would since it's an exact clone.
unidentified		Will it have a brain, though?
		We're talking about just a brain stem.
		So it would just be, say, just a shell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		So we got our fingerprints from it.
		We got our picture.
		We got the criminal.
		Huh.
		That's just a new take on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we would grow a brainless, exact copy in order to identify precisely who that's really.
unidentified		Yep, fingerprints, photographs, everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Thank you very much.
		You have really helped me make my case.
		Does that sound like a horror show or what?
		Even though it would catch a criminal eventually, does that sound like some kind of horror show?
		To grow a brainless copy of a serial killer so you could ID the serial killer?
		Would we really, do we really want to begin creating human life for these kinds of purposes?
		Well, it's going to be possible.
		And unfortunately, if it's possible, we'll probably do it.
		First time call our line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, where are you?
unidentified		This is Joe from Midwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I was just waiting to hear about Dean Kamen's new invention he's got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, the big announcement is coming Monday by Diane Sawyer, I am told.
unidentified		Yeah, I can't wait to hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think it is?
unidentified		I'm not for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you like it to be?
unidentified		Some kind of new engine type that produces power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm personally going for an anti-gravity personal transport vehicle.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'd like.
unidentified		Yeah, I know this inventor.
unidentified		He's working on this bladeless turbine engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he's got it working at a major power producer right now.
unidentified		And it's supposed to make electricity at like tenth the cost of what electricity is being produced at now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you know, earlier today I was talking with a friend about something and I would like to drop this on all of you and I know it's probably a stupid idea.
		But there are these new wind turbines.
		Only they're not turbines.
		They're like tunnels.
		You will see them soon.
		It's a cutting-edge technology and they're like tunnels.
		And I was thinking if you have something that will produce power that is a virtual tunnel then why not mount something like that on an automobile?
		Now how are we going with automobiles?
		We're getting to these hybrids, right?
		half electric, half gas.
		Well, if a car is going down the road at 60, 55, or 60, or whatever, miles per hour, and you were to insert one of these tunnel devices somehow on the car or in the car, or it would be going through the car, or I don't know what, and there's not as much drag as is associated with traditional turbines,
		wouldn't it be a natural form of generated energy, energy not free energy mind you but something that would generate rather significant amounts of electricity as the car went down the road and the wind went through this tunnel-like turbine?
		It was just something that we kind of chewed around, a friend and I, a little bit earlier, and I thought about that.
		Why not, if they really have these special tunnel turbine things, put one on a car that's going down the road pretty fast anyway.
unidentified		Not free energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it sure would cut down on the amount of power you needed, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's probably a big hole in that idea.
unidentified		I have no idea what it is, but there's an idea for you.
		A medical, a bit beautiful.
		Magical and all about your trees.
		You make me singing so happily.
		I'm right.
		Magic me.
		But then they send me away.
		Teach me how to be sensible.
		Magical, irresponsible.
		Benny show me your way.
		I could be so deep in the world.
		Oh, clinical, oh, intellectual, cynical.
		There are times when all the world is still.
		The questions run through you for such a simple man.
		Won't you please please tell me what's in love?
		I know it's true, Mr. President.
		Please tell me who I am.
		I said, now what would you say?
		I'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a magical criminal.
		Come on.
		Reachart now in the Kingdom of Nye.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I love a song with a message.
		Good morning, everybody.
		This is Open Lines, Friday night, Saturday morning.
		Anything you want to say or talk about is fair game.
		And when I say open lines, I really mean open lines.
		Hey, Keith, if you're listening out there, this is one freaky photo on the website.
		It really is.
		I am so wrapped up in this whole cloning thing.
		This is one strange picture.
		Pretty cool picture, actually.
		Somebody took it.
		It looks like Eminem stuck to a thing that looks like...
		And it just says, want to take a ride.
		If you can freeze that picture for about 24 hours so everybody can see it.
		Maybe I'm asking too much.
		It's really freaky.
		I don't know why.
		I've just been giving so much thought to it.
		I'm sitting here thinking, what a ride this is going to be.
		First time call our line, you're on air.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		How's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going.
unidentified		Hey, I want to talk about gun control a little bit.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of control?
unidentified		Well, I'm going down tomorrow to purchase a handgun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, so then your control is holding it steadily.
unidentified		Well, the deal is, there is a 10-day waiting period, and there is a background check, which is in the 10-day period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But now I have to pay $20 to the state to let them say, okay, you can handle a handgun.
		Is that good?
		got bad?
		Well, um...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's probably, probably good.
		In other words, you're paying for the check.
		And I suppose...
		I think that you should have the right to get a gun.
		You know, if you're not a felon or whatever the other reasons are, that you should be able to get a gun.
		but I don't think criminals ought to be able to get guns.
unidentified		Well, yeah, I mean, I agree completely, but...
unidentified		Well, by the background check, I would assume.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
unidentified		But it just, you know, you look at the amendments and what have you, there was no, well, you have to go in and give the state some money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		But I still think it's a small bitch.
		You know, really, I want to protect our right to have guns, but I really don't want bad people to have guns.
		If we can keep them out of their hands, then it's probably worth the 20 bucks or whatever.
unidentified		Well, then, you know, you go back to the three-day deal, a gun fair.
unidentified		Well, what is that keeping out of anybody's hands?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so why aren't you going to a gun fair and buying a gun there?
unidentified		You know what?
unidentified		I don't know why I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't need to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're complaining about it.
unidentified		I'm a law-abiding citizen, and I'm going to go down and get a gun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can, as a law-abiding citizen, you can go to a gun fair and get one, too.
unidentified		I still have to do the 10-day waiting deal, though, don't I?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that you don't.
unidentified		I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know that for sure, but that's what I've heard.
		I mean, people complain that you can go to a gun fair, and of course you can buy, you know, I mean, you can look in the newspaper and somebody advertise you can go buy a gun privately.
		No waiting period there.
unidentified		Right?
unidentified		True, yeah, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, you do have options, but if you want to go, if you want to contribute, it seems to me, to a safer environment, then you will go through the background check.
		Yeah, you can buy guns underground.
		There's always that option, too.
		But why not contribute to a safe environment?
		A safer environment.
		It's never going to be safe, but safer.
		If we keep hundreds of thousands of guns out of hands of bad people, then that's a good thing.
		I don't see it as a really serious infringement on your right to possess a weapon.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes, all right.
		Jim at Mobile, WNTM News Talk.
		Yes, sir.
		I started dialing in a previous life.
		I wanted to talk to you about David Blaine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		The difference with David Blaine is that he's strictly a street magician.
		He never performs before a huge audience.
		He always performs, and his shows are made up of video and film.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a pretty serious difference.
unidentified		It is.
		And when he does his levitation, and I'm a fan of magic, and I video every magic show that comes on.
		And on stage, you can see the sleight of hand sometimes.
		And the reason you can't see it with David Blaine is that he edits.
		They edit.
		And he does his levitation before maybe eight or ten people.
		And he chooses the location.
		So the lights and the distance and everything is good for his levitation.
		And then he performs it, and it wows him, and it looks great.
		But he was exposed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do you fool the camera?
unidentified		Well, how do you fool the camera?
unidentified		The picture you're talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're charging that this is an edited picture, that somebody went in with Photoshop or something like that and edited the photograph.
		Okay, well, here's the problem I've got with that.
		Again, I just talked to a guy a little while ago who was 10 feet away from the guy when he did it, you know, standing there.
		Sure.
		You know, if it's a Photoshop deal, then what did this eyewitness see?
unidentified		No, when you see him do it, it was done like that magician that was on with you said.
		It's done on one toe.
		Now, he was exposed by this masked magician, his levitation trick.
		And they showed how he did it.
		He set up the same scene and was next to a building, and he had a rig set up on top of the building.
		This is after everybody left.
		And he had the same wires that Copperfield uses when he flies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it lifted him off the What's bothering me about what you're saying, sir, is on the one hand, you're saying it's a Photoshop trick, that he really isn't levitating.
		And then on the other hand, you're telling me there were wires that actually lifted him up.
		Now, if there were wires that lifted him up, they wouldn't need to mess around with Photoshop, would they?
		That just doesn't make sense to me.
		Now, I can understand you might think it is a trick in some way.
		Fine, go ahead and think that.
		But the way you presented that doesn't work for me.
		If they were lifting him with wires, there would be no need for anybody to play with Photoshop.
		You sound too anxious to explain away what you can't explain away.
		The picture is somewhat astounding.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Thank you for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Winchester, Virginia.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is really beautiful country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I spent some time at a friend's house in Winchester, and it's beautiful.
unidentified		Well, I'm glad you like the area.
unidentified		Unfortunately, the deer won't stay out of the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are worse problems to have.
unidentified		True.
		My first name, I think you still don't take last names.
		Right.
		My first name is Mike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Mike.
unidentified		And two things I wanted to talk about.
unidentified		First, if we catch Osama bin Laden alive, I hope they make him watch the NASA archive video footage of the STS-93 mission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Of the five astronauts on that mission, two of them, including the mission commander, were women.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
unidentified		And they have this thing about how women have to be treated like...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He would just believe that it's an atrocity that he's viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I don't see what it would do to him.
unidentified		Well, after we show it to him, we're going to tell him that we're going to show the same film to every Islamic woman in the world.
unidentified		Thereby giving them the idea that they too can do more than Be treated like cattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this sounds somewhat cruel, but I have much more in mind for him.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And the second thing I want to talk about was cloning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I think it all depends on what you do with it.
		You can do good things with it, you can do bad things with it.
		Right.
		And I, for one, would like to see them clone girls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what kind of girls?
unidentified		Lots of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lots and lots.
		So in other words, as to even disrupt the present general relationship percentage-wise between the sexes so that, say, there were two or three women for each guy?
		Something along that line?
unidentified		Something like that, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would there be any particular...
unidentified		Some variation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not too much.
unidentified		Some variation, but all somewhat attractive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		Just somewhat attractive.
		Why not extremely attractive?
unidentified		Well, most of us can agree on what's somewhat attractive, but we have a harder time agreeing on what's extremely attractive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's go by you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you say would be extremely attractive?
unidentified		Okay, let's see.
		Blonde hair, blue eyes, stands 5 feet 2 inches tall in stocking feet and measurements of 24 measurements of 36, 22, 38.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Well, I wanted to let you finish that up for that exact reason.
		Now, ladies and gentlemen, you now have in front of you one of the gigantic probable problems with cloning.
		The guy was honest.
		You know, he wants to clone babes.
		Now you just know there's going to be a lot of opposition to this, right?
		Women have the vote now and everything, and it's just not going to, it's not going to go.
		It's not going to go.
		But you can believe that there will be some who will endeavor to do this as you can create supermen and good soldiers and whatever all else you might create.
		You can indeed create babes.
		And more people than would admit, as this gentleman just so bravely admitted on the air, more people than not would like to do exactly what he wants done.
		And you know they're going to do it.
		You just know they're going to do it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		What's up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you at the moment.
unidentified		Okay, cool.
unidentified		I'm Wendy from Burley, Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Wendy.
unidentified		Hi.
		And I have to say that you've kept me awake many times.
		I work Graveyard Shift, and I appreciate your program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
unidentified		I had an incident.
		My daughter was 16 months old at the time, and she was really sick.
		And so I put her in bed with me.
		And, you know, I was sleeping.
		And all of a sudden, I heard a baby cry.
		And so I woke up.
		And my daughter, she was asleep.
		Well, about a minute later, she started crying too.
		And so I figured that she just cried and woke me up.
		Well, so she went back to sleep.
		And I was watching for a while.
		And I heard a baby cry again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And my daughter's mouth was closed.
unidentified		It could not have come from her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ho, ho, ho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you mean it was as close as your girl?
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As close as your little girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, a close cry?
unidentified		Exact.
		Because about five seconds later, she cried exactly the same way.
		And this happened like four or five times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I just watched her and it was like, way cool.
unidentified		And I tell people about it, but they don't believe me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just said to yourself, way cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, her mouth was closed and...
unidentified		And then she'd wake up and cry the same way.
		She'd cry herself awake.
		And it would be the exact same way.
		It was very cool.
		Maybe.
		I don't know if it was telepathy or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, either telepathy or she, yeah, telepathy.
		She was projecting a cry that was about to happen.
		Pretty cool.
unidentified		And it had to be her because the only child that was close by was like a six-year-old boy.
unidentified		And so, and he was like a block and a half away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's pretty weird, all right.
unidentified		He's the only one.
		And I have another thing about this cloning.
		It's about the egg.
		The egg, the genetic material is taken out of this egg and is replaced by other material.
		Well, about this genetic material, let me give my thoughts somewhere here.
		I didn't expect to be on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way I read it was they just took DNA from an egg, only the DNA, and then like a hank of hair or a skin scraping, I believe it was, from the male donor and combined them, and it took.
		And it would have grown into a human if they had let it go, but they only let it go so far.
		I mean, that is some kind of serious achievement.
unidentified		It is.
		It's pretty impressive.
		But what makes people think, you know, look at it from a religious perspective, what makes people think that they know more about what should go into that egg than the genes that were predetermined by a superior being?
		And if you look at it as an evolutionary way, what makes people think that they know more than what nature has evolved for thousands and thousands of years and just take it out and put something else in there?
		What I feel is that what they're essentially doing is depriving a potential person of half their genes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're going to do it, hon. I know.
unidentified		I understand that point.
		But I just, I object to it on that basis.
		it doesn't seem right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder, I mean, what kind of weird position are we in the U.S.?
		This technology is going to go forward.
		It's going forward in Great Britain and all around the world right now.
		But we're considering laws against it.
		No research here.
		Do you think, would you dare we pass such a law and not do it here while the rest of the world does?
unidentified		If we were to find it morally offensive, then I see that we would have no choice but to, in order to keep our own conscience cleared, no matter what other countries were doing.
unidentified		But it would put us behind medically, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not just medically, but even militarily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what, after all, if another country breeds the ultimate soldier?
unidentified		Well, that's what we got nukes for.
		That's what we got those big old things for.
		I have faith in the U.S. military.
		I think that we can pretty much take care of anything, including genetically superior clones marching towards us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope you're right.
		I mean, they could be genetically, intellectually so far ahead of the game that our nukes might not mean as much as you think.
		I mean, it's a very serious area of research.
		I have incredible reservations about it, but I also see the possibilities.
		And it's one of those things, like, we've got to be in the game, don't we?
unidentified		Yeah, if we were going to clone them, I would sincerely hope that we would try to do the best that we can.
		The idea of clones running around with just a brain stem, I find that offensive also.
		You might as well make an entire person if you're running.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they don't.
		They would not be running around.
		They would be sort of probably in some sort of suspension, you know, hanging somewhere or floating in something or in a bed or, you know, whatever.
unidentified		They wouldn't be doing anything except floating or waiting for their heart organs to be harvested.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Waiting for harvest time, that's right.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't like that.
unidentified		I think that if you're going to make a person, you might as well make a full-blooded, breathing, living, thinking person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they wouldn't be aware they were waiting for harvesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They wouldn't know that.
unidentified		We would know that, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We would know it, yes.
unidentified		Yes, we would.
unidentified		How could we live as a society knowing that there's these that you're not going to be able to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear the young fellow on before me?
unidentified		Yeah, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what he wanted for a clone?
unidentified		Well, that sounds like my sister's, but it sure doesn't sound like me.
		I don't know.
		I think I'm kind of...
		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't like that, would you?
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
unidentified		I think a bunch of big old Arnold Schwarzenegger type guys would be kind of cool, wouldn't they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, both sides.
		Both sides.
		We're going to do it.
		I can tell we're going to do it.
		From the high desert.
		See you, Monday.

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