Linda Moulton Howe and investigative journalist Chris Ruddy warn of anthrax’s rare nasal strain in Florida, tied to suspicious letters near a September 11th-linked airstrip, while the FBI scrambles amid antibiotic shortages. Ruddy claims Russian nukes may have entered the U.S. and links economic attacks to WMD threats, citing ignored pre-9/11 warnings like a Minnesota flight school alert. Howe’s nanobomb tech, delayed by bureaucracy, could neutralize bioterror agents—yet fear of future attacks (including water systems) grows as governments prioritize secrecy over preparedness. Callers report potential outbreaks, but Bell insists on self-reliance and transparency, urging listeners to stockpile supplies while questioning why vaccines remain inaccessible despite military use. The episode underscores how bioterrorism and nuclear risks exploit systemic failures, leaving the public vulnerable without clear action or accountability. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be across the globe in all these time zones across the globe.
You know, I've been doing radio now for 35 years, and radio people are kind of crazy.
You know, they like music.
I did a lot of years of rock and roll music, believe me, in my career, a lot of years.
And you wear headphones for all of those years, and you slowly, slowly turn the volume up a little more and a little more.
It's just a natural thing for a radio person.
And so most of us in the business for a long time suffered some hearing loss, but this is obviously not in that category at all.
It's something completely separate that he says he has a theory about and is not prepared to air yet.
The war is on.
The United States pounded terrorist targets in Afghanistan from the air for now a second night in an effort to undercut the Taliban militia sheltering Osama bin Laden.
I had a feeling that's exactly what we would take after their military infrastructure, and we are doing that.
He's still alive.
We haven't got him.
The U.S. is now telling the U.N. that aside from the attacks which we're all observing right now, there may be other countries that are going to be attacked.
And I would imagine so if you're really going after Al-Qaeda, then you're going to go after them wherever they are, and they are all over the place.
So I imagine they'll go after them in every nest where they find them.
They have now arrested over 600 people in the investigations following September 11th.
In Florida, a situation which we'll talk with Linda Moulton Howe about in a moment.
I was rather suspicious of the first anthrax Outbreak there.
Inhaled anthrax is a really rare thing, 26, 27 years now since we've had a case.
It now seems we've got a second case.
The FBI has taken over the case into the investigation of the anthrax death of a Florida man after the germ was found in the nose of a co-worker and on a computer keyboard in their office.
Hundreds of people who worked anywhere near the men lined up to get medical tests in Florida.
And now it looks to me like this is some sort of a terrorist outbreak, a minimal one to be sure, or at least a crime.
Certainly one cannot imagine how anthrax could simply get sort of scattered about.
It just doesn't happen that way as far as I know.
But we'll find out more shortly from Linda Moltenhow.
Maybe there is a way.
You know, they said the first man was an outdoorsman, and he might have caught it that way.
But I have my suspicions.
I did from the report of the first man, and now with somebody else and with them finding it in the office, it kind of changes everything, doesn't it?
We'll be back with Linda Moulton Howe in just a moment.
Linda Moulton Howe, she has been a reporter for this program for years and years and years and years, many years, and she reports on all kinds of strange occurrences, things that are inexplicable otherwise.
And she's very, very good at what she does.
She has won awards across the board.
Tonight, she's going to be reporting on this anthrax situation in Florida and so much more.
It's obviously taken another step with what's occurred in Florida.
And here to tell us what she knows about this and a few other related things from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is Linda Moulton Howell Linda, welcome.
Well, for the first time since the mid-1970s, as you pointed out, two cases of inhalation anthrax caused by breathing in bacteria spores have been confirmed in two Florida men.
First was 63-year-old Robert Stevens, who died Friday.
He was a photo editor for The Sun, a tabloid newspaper published along with the National Enquirer at American Media in Lantana, Florida.
Traces of anthrax were also found on the computer keyboard used by Robert Stevens at his American Media office.
His home was not far from the airstrip where September 11th hijacker Mohamed Ada rented planes.
The second man who tested positive for exposure to anthrax is 73-year-old Ernesto Blanco.
He worked in the mailroom at American Media.
His second anthrax case was confirmed after Ernesto Blanco was admitted to Cedars Center Hospital in Miami-Dade County last week and treated for pneumonia.
He went home but returned to the hospital.
The fact that Blanco worked in the same office building as Stevens caught the attention of investigators who were checking intensive care units and morgues in southern Florida.
So they gave him a nasal swab test and it was positive for anthrax.
Medical experts say that inhalation anthrax rarely occurs naturally.
More commonly, humans contract anthrax bacteria from contaminated soils or animals through skin cuts or in food or water.
But with terrorism on everyone's mind and these two cases, this afternoon I talked about this surprising development with Dr. Donald Henderson, professor of medicine and public health and director of the Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland.
Dr. Henderson.
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Okay, and here we go.
Okay, we've got a strange phenomenon in a sense that we have an individual from whom anthrax has been isolated from his nose, nasal passages.
He is ill, but the illness does not, according to what I hear, look at all like anthrax.
The first case died, and certainly the clinical picture, everything I heard about there sounded very much like anthrax.
I don't know whether an autopsy has been done, so I don't know what they've seen.
The second case is very strange in that it really is sort of like somebody's carrying the organism now.
That information may be wrong in time, but at the moment it doesn't look like it.
So we have something that looks a little more ominous with a second isolate, but on the other hand, it's such a strange phenomenon.
And secondly, we have, we've now looked at the organism.
It's a pretty common ordinary garden variety anthrax that we have out in the west coast or out in the central plains from where animals are infected.
It's very sensitive to all antibiotics.
It's not some weird engineered bacterium at all.
And one wonders at this point just where this could possibly have come from or what may have happened.
How it got there, how this particular strain got into one man's lung, into somebody else's nose and onto a computer keyboard, is what our mystery is at this point in time.
And as I say, I think once we get a lot more in the way of samples from around that area, we have a chance to look at each of those three strains and compare them.
Are they the same?
If a man is breathing in anthrax in any amount, one would expect this would be turning up in the lung, but it certainly does not seem to be.
I think there's just a number of things yet that we need to wait to find out about before we're ready to jump to any conclusions.
And wouldn't that mean that whatever found in the nose would be in the lungs as well?
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No, actually, inhalation anthrax does not usually cause pneumonia.
people think of this as being anthrax pneumonia.
And in fact, it's a growth of the organism in the center of the chest, outside the lungs.
What happens is the spore of anthrax goes into the deep part of the lungs and it's picked up by a cell, a white cell it's called, and then it migrates into the center of the chest.
And at some point that spore begins to grow.
It grows very rapidly and it produces poisons or toxins.
And the individual may have, feel like he's got pressure in his chest, he may have some trouble breathing, but he does not normally have a pneumonia.
The second man had clearly a pneumonia, an x-ray, and clearly had some complications from the pneumonia.
And the last I'd heard, I think there was a feeling was that this was a different disease that is caused by a different organism and not anthrax.
The general audience right now is asking a question that you can see why.
Could this be related to the same terrorists that were training in those airplanes to crash into the buildings in New York and Washington because it's sort of in that general same area, two cases within three or four days of something inhalation anthrax, which nobody has seen a case of in the United States since the mid-1970s.
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That's correct.
The coincidence in time and place where these things have happened is certainly something to be looked at with concern.
But meanwhile, what has been done is that the building is cordoned off so that samples can be taken throughout, and they are being taken.
The people who worked in the building have been started on antibiotics, which is the proper course to take.
Certainly the FBI is very active in this case, as are the people from the Centers for Disease Control, as well as the local health department people who are, as I've been told, very good.
I don't see that we can make a judgment at this point other than to say, let's do everything we can to find out just how this man got infected or the two of them got infected and how those anthrax spores wound up in the keyboard.
The FBI says so far it has not been able to link the two inhalation anthrax cases to any terrorist act, but Florida's Health Department is urging that all American media employees who have worked in that building since August 1st report to the Palm Beach County Health Department in Delray Beach for testing.
That's where the Inquirer and The Sun are both published, and The Sun is where the first man worked in the photo department who died, and the second man who is now being treated both for anthrax and this pneumonia, he worked down in the mailroom.
And now the health department is giving out an antibiotic that is effective in killing anthrax back there.
Well, and the incubation period for anthrax from the very first breathing in to symptoms can be anywhere from 6 to 45 days.
Fortunately, it is not contagious from person to person.
But these two cases underscore the importance of understanding and coping with bioterrorist attacks in aerosols deliberately released from airplanes or other sprayers filled with biological weapons such as dry spore anthrax or smallpox viruses.
And I ask Dr. Henderson why some people argue that anthrax cannot be distributed easily by spray planes or other mechanical spray devices.
And I'll have his answer and more after this break.
Well, it may because the 73-year-old is the one who worked in the mail room.
The one who got so sick and died was the one who found the anthrax spores on his computer keys.
And depending upon if he opened the mail, who delivered and who got the largest dose, there is a direct association based on research in Russia that the amount of spores that you breathe in, if you just breathed in one, you probably are not going to get any kind of disease.
But if you breathe in a concentrated amount, then that seems to be what tips over going into disease.
And since none of us know yet exactly what did occur, and the fact that there was this mailroom connection, the same building, and the photo guy, it certainly is, as you're jumping to that statement, the mailroom would certainly be suspicious.
And I imagine the FBI has been all over there.
But it's also interesting that the first man who died Friday, his home was only one mile approximately from that same airstrip where the men who were involved in the crashes into the buildings on September 11th were renting planes.
Again, I would ask my audience to pray for Rush Limbaugh.
Rush is going through a terrible thing right now to lose, trying to imagine to lose your hearing, especially in this business where your voice and your hearing are how you do it.
All right, once again, back to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and Linda Moulton Howe Linda, you've got it again.
Thursday, I was in New York at Ground Zero with an attorney who represents police and fire people there.
And the odor alone was overwhelming.
It's a mixture of burning tires, burning electrical cord, and flesh.
And it stings the eyes, it stings the nose, the throat, into the lungs.
And probably one of the most dominant conversations, whether we were walking on the street or moving at Ground Zero, where there were officials, and they had high nozzle sprayers that were spraying the tires of all of the cars that were going and leaving Ground Zero.
The question everywhere was, this air is so acrid, how bad is it?
And there were these machines measuring the air quality in a lot of buildings.
You could hear the rat-at-tat-tat of the same kinds of machines.
And on everybody's subtitle was, and could terrorists do something in this air that would then end up poisoning people?
Well, this is on everybody's minds.
It's on the front covers of Time and Newsweek and now the anthrac cases.
And I went into an in-depth conversation with Dr. Henderson about anthrax, about smallpox, and the controversy about whether or not it is easy to spray these kinds of biological microbes from the air or through mechanical devices.
And that is back to Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Russian research prior to the change from the Soviet Union to Russia.
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That is correct.
We know for a fact that the Russians were turning out anthrax spores in tons and ton quantities.
They even had an accident when one of the plants that was making anthrax in this form leaked from the plant, and somewhere around 100 people died as much as three miles away.
And it was just a minute amount of these anthrax spores that escaped.
The Iraqis had a very extensive operation producing anthrax.
What we suspect is that there are a number of other countries that have this capacity, including to produce like anthrax in this form, including such as North Korea, Iran, Syria, Libya, so that it is not just Iraq and Russia.
And if terrorists got a spray plane with this right, dry, powdery anthrax and distributed it, let's say, over the city of New York, what is the worst case that could happen?
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There are several problems that have to be solved, and you can't really answer that question easily.
First of all, you've got a wind.
And if the wind is very still, it's not going to go anywhere.
If the wind is too strong, it's going to blow it away, and It's not going to settle as you'd like it to settle.
If it's done with a bright sunshine, the sunshine itself may kill off the organisms.
Well, on the issue of smallpox, since we have a generation that has not been vaccinated against smallpox, and we've already had demonstrated that Osama bin Laden and Taliban advocate dying in the sacrifice for their cause,
all they would have to do would be to infect some of their people with smallpox here in this country and have them walk around, and it is highly contagious, and it could end up starting something that could keep spreading throughout one entire generation.
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Let us say you have a patient who is sick and has the rash.
What you want to do is find out who has been in contact with him since he first became sick.
And then you would immediately want to vaccinate those individuals and their household contacts.
Smallpox vaccine is quite unique in a way that many people don't realize.
Smallpox vaccine will protect, even though it's given two to three days after you've been exposed.
You may be exposed to an individual, may even have inhaled the virus, but if you're vaccinated within two to three days after that, you are still protected.
With most vaccines, you have to be protected well beforehand.
But this is different.
And even when it's given four to five days later, it has a major influence in avoiding a fatal outcome.
The Bush administration has authorized new production of more smallpox vaccines, which will increase U.S. supply in 2002.
And in addition to vaccines, there is another discovery waiting in the wings, which could neutralize the bioterrorism threat by literally blowing up the germs, and it's called nanobombs.
These microscopic droplets of oil are layered with detergent and suspended in a watery solution.
The oil drops are called nanobombs because they are smaller than anthrax bacteria or smallpox viruses.
So when those tiny droplets come in contact with germs, they fuse to the surface of the bacteria and viruses, which happens to be the way oil and water react, and that causes the membrane surrounding the microbes to burst.
Now I first reported this in 1999 and 2000 about this breakthrough with its inventor, Dr. James Baker at the University of Michigan.
And the last time I interviewed him, he was getting ready to test his nanobomb solution for the U.S. Army.
He also took his invention through the patent process and now has a company called NanoBio Corporation affiliated with the University of Michigan to produce and distribute what could be a wonderful non-toxic answer to bioterrorism.
And this week I talked with the chief executive officer of Nanobio.
Well, you would think that everybody would be enthusiastically embracing this now because from the last time I talked with Dr. Baker, it was very clear that this material could be sprayed on children, animals, plants, and people without harm and yet blow up viruses and bacteria.
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Exactly.
We are seeing some signs of interest from the Department of Defense and from our government.
We hope they embrace this enthusiastically.
Haven't yet.
Quite frankly, I'm expecting that to happen.
And I'm waiting for them to call and have us come to Washington and sit down and talk about how we get this out into the field and out into the population within six months.
Well, if the Army already knows that it works in tests and works the best, why would it not already be front and center and being distributed throughout the country?
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Very interesting question.
I don't know.
It isn't for lack of our talking to different people in the Department of Defense.
The only thing I can tell you at this point is that the only timetable I had seen prior to Terrible Tuesday from the Army was a timetable that would put this material or some material, some biodefense material, in the hands of the soldiers by 2006.
Now, of course, after Terrible Tuesday, this is clearly going to be accelerated.
Well, and how do you accelerate it if people are still not calling you to Washington?
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That's a very good question.
Heaven forbid.
But if there is an anthrax attack at this moment or within the next couple of weeks, there isn't a darn thing we can do because we cannot get this material approved, manufactured, and distributed that quickly.
And these news reports with images right now, including a contrast in Petri dishes at the University of Michigan showing what happened to anthrax in one dish after this nanobomb solution was applied and the anthrax bacteria are completely gone.
You can see these photographs at my website, www.earthfiles.com, by going to the top of the headlines at my website, earthfiles.com.
Go to the headlines page, and it's the top story.
And Art, in this time of so much uncertainty about what will happen in the Middle East and around the world, I wanted to also let coast listeners know that there's going to be a very interesting conference coming up about earth mysteries that tie into the ancient past of the Middle East that seems that it has had so many conflicts and problems on the earth for so long.
And it's a conference that's going to feature the work of Zacharias Sitchin, who has done a lot of books and work analyzing ancient Sumerian tablets about struggles in Mesopotamia.
And I'm going to be there presenting information about some of the ancient Hermetic texts as they relate to mysterious lights and crop circles, which is the subject of my latest book.
And this is going to be a conference in Sedona.
And the place to go to get information, again, is at my website, www.earthfiles.com on the headlines page.
This is a year in which there are so many changes coming so quickly and rapidly.
And this was a season also in which the crop patterns in Germany, Holland, Canada, and England have also been truly strange.
Very quickly, may I ask you, are there any new developments because of all that's been going on, we haven't touched on it, the possibility of Atlantis off the coast of Cuba.
Does this story still have legs?
Is a story still alive?
Nobody's hearing anything because of everything else that's going on.
Yes, and probably for the very good reasons that if you are on a story that is going to perhaps be profound in its implications, you've got to get a lot of ducks in the row.
And they also are coordinating with various media.
And so when the time is right, we're going to have more.
And in the meantime, what is happening in this world now with all of the subjects that we have been talking about tonight and how everything is going to continue to unfold, I hope that what coast listeners will take from this report tonight is that it is a complicated issue when you start getting into bioterrorism.
But one of the things that in interviewing Dr. Henderson and others is that there are ways to contain disease.
With smallpox, the approach is vaccination immediately in any areas where they would break out.
And because of this unique aspect of the vaccination of smallpox, that you can have an effect on people even within three or four days after breaking out with RASH.
And that tends to contain in what they call rings of vaccination around outbreaks.
So we are at the point where public health and various investigators are looking for signs of disease anywhere and everywhere, more so probably than they ever have.
And they are ready with some vaccines and they are getting more into production so that right now they feel somewhat confident that they could control smallpox and that anthrax, which is not contagious person to person, when there is an outbreak, they can also move in with antibiotics.
And for the most part, if the disease is caught early, they can save people.
So it isn't all terrible doom and gloom.
And out of all of this, as Dr. Henderson also said, there has been a sharpening of the focus and the training.
They have been running training courses in various labs, training more people to be able to detect anthrax, to have a lookout for smallpox and other diseases that might come in the country.
And one of the other things that was satisfying to hear is when you hear about bubonic plague or Ebola or some of the others, they are extremely difficult.
They are not at all transmissible as easily as, say, smallpox.
And so there is a kind of self-containment in some of these diseases.
You heard his one polite statement that the earliest that there was any timeline to introduce some kind of a decontaminant into the Defense Department's arsenals was 2006.
And here we are in 2001.
We've had this major event which is going to accelerate everything.
And one of the wonderful things is to realize that this material could be sprayed in subways, on buses, on planes, on streets, on people.
On this radio program, the longtime listeners know that we know how to do something that we haven't done now in a couple of years.
And with the news from Rush Limbaugh today, tomorrow night, we're going to do what we haven't done in a couple of years.
And we are going to try.
I don't know how you feel about prayer.
I don't even know how I feel about prayer.
That is to say, why it works.
Because I really don't know.
I just know that it does work.
Actually, intense concentration and willing something good to happen appears to work.
And actually, I'll go beyond that.
It does work.
And in view of what Rush announced earlier today, I think tomorrow night, God willing, I'll be here, and we will do what we have not done for a couple of years, and that is get millions of people concentrating simultaneously on the same thing.
And we're going to give it a try.
It is in with a group of great experiments that I stopped doing a couple of years ago for what I think is a very good reason, and that I now resume for what I think is a very good reason.
So having said that, spread the word to your friends.
Tomorrow we are going to try an experiment that we haven't done in a long time.
Coming up in a moment is Chris Ruddy.
Christopher Ruddy is one of the nation's premier journalists.
In 1999, Newsweek, in fact, named him one of America's top 20 new media personalities.
And investigative reporter, Mr. Ruddy has broken numerous stories that have received national acclaim.
In 92, he first exposed revelations that a PBS documentary had fabricated key facts, causing PBS, as a result, to withdraw their support for the film.
First time they had ever done any such thing.
At the New York Post, Mr. Ruddy's series on abuses of the Social Security disability programs led to a national media flurry and congressional reforms.
Also at the Post, Mr. Ruddy broke several stories relating to the death investigation of Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster.
He appeared many times on this program with respect to that investigation.
He has appeared on just about every radio and television show in the world.
William Sessions, the former director of the FBI, said of Chris, Chris is tenacious.
His reporting is serious and compelling.
He sure is tenacious.
He certainly is tenacious.
Coming up in a moment, Christopher Ruddy.
All right, here now is the tenacious, very tenacious, Christopher Ruddy.
And I think we don't want to lose someone like him, and your program and his have demonstrated the great need this country has to have the alternative information the big media don't give us well thank you um i i'm i'm pretty shocked and devastated that you know what's happened it really really really came out of left field today and uh jolted me hard um chris uh since we've la since we last spoke uh well gee let's see uh the
The Twin Towers were hit, the Pentagon was hit, were at war.
An awful lot's happened, Chris.
And now we have begun the attack, two days now, many attacks into...
As a matter of fact, I just heard that we're attacking now, apparently during daylight hours as well.
There was, I guess, a morning attack.
So an awful lot has happened, and I hardly know where to start.
Do you want to just give us some comments on what happened in New York and at the Pentagon and Bin Laden, and what can you tell us?
the bars and fellow journalists and the like and i know a number of people that knew bob stevens and it's almost shocking that so close we have an example of someone that that had anthrax and contracted it and died of it okay well let's begin with that what do you know about this story i had lynn moulton how in the hour prior to you and uh she said that uh there One of them worked in the mail room, and I immediately jumped at the conclusion that, boy, it was probably sent in the mail and somebody opened the damn thing.
Well, the latest story out tonight, and we have a link up to it on newsmax.com, is the evidence that the FBI is focusing on a strange letter that was sent to the National Inquirer.
In it was a Star of David and some strange powder and made some comments.
Of course, the Star of David is a symbol of Judaism and is frequently the target of these terrorists, the Jewish community.
And some strange, it was a love letter, apparently, to Jennifer Lopez.
And apparently they get these type of strange letters from fans or the like.
And people passed the letter around, and it had this powder on it.
And Bob Stevens was apparently one of the persons that touched that letter.
And apparently the gentleman from the mailroom had carried the letter as well.
They haven't revealed that information, but what's interesting, Art, is that, of course, you know, this is the inquiry.
They deal in celebrities.
So I guess if they wanted people in the building to pay attention to something, they would suggest that it would be linked to something involving a celebrity.
Now, we don't know exactly what was in the letter that made people interested in it and the reason it was passed around.
Now, there must have been something in there that caused people some interest in the office that they would pass it around.
Now, there's another development is that the FBI is apparently focusing on an Egyptian young man or of Egyptian nationality that was an employee or a summer intern at the inquirer.
And when he left, he sent a strange email, which some people thought was rather threatening, to some of the staff saying, goodbye, nice to know you all, and there'll be some surprises in the future.
And a number of people were quite shocked by it.
And after the incidents of the anthrax, you know, took it very seriously.
And let's remember, this is pulmonary anthrax.
When the government said, oh, nothing to worry about, don't bother.
And I was called by a doctor friend in New York, and he said, look, if people in your area die or start to die of anthrax, past this guy, Bob Stevens, you should immediately go on antibiotics.
I said, well, if I get the flu.
He said, no, no, no, you misunderstand.
The government's not telling people the truth on this.
By the time you get the symptoms, you're dead.
It's almost a strong probability, like 90% you will die, even if you take massive amounts of antibiotics intravenously.
And this is why, after ignoring this and saying that it wasn't a problem, everybody over at American Media, I'm told, has been already informed, even if they don't have any symptoms, to start going on a regimen of antibiotics, a 15-day regimen, apparently.
And that is good sense.
But the government should be explaining this to people, that if people in your community, you know, diothrax, you should have, and people should have a supply of antibiotics on hand, even a limited amount.
Well, I can tell you, I live not far from Palm Beach.
I had dinner with some very influential people over there, and they told me that they've sold out of antibiotics in Palm Beach.
I know people in Manhattan and in New York and people in the medical community that tell me in all the upscale areas, you can't even get antibiotics.
So people who are not unsophisticated have already gone out and gotten antibiotics.
And if you had to ask me what I would rather have, a gas mask or antibiotics, I would say that...
Yeah, I mean, clearly.
And I don't even know if they'll...
And if the American people begin to prepare themselves, we can stave off a bioterror attack that might have killed hundreds of thousands of people.
We're going to be a lot more aware of these things.
But we've got to act with some deliberation about it rather than this nonsense the Media Kufsan telling us, like on 60 Minutes, oh, don't worry, it doesn't have any effect.
They can't do it.
Oh, yeah, they can't do it.
They just took four jets using box cutters and took down the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon.
Oh, absolutely, because that's going to be vital to having the public's confidence in the government to pull us out of the recession.
I believe that this economy would not have fallen off the cliff as it is doing right now had the government and the Bush administration immediately allowed the pilots who have demanded this, many of them are former military people, to arm themselves.
The minute, I mean, 90% of it I have flown since September 11th.
I've been on four flights.
I know people.
I can sense they're scared.
I know a lot of people that aren't flying.
But if people knew that one of the pilots in the cockpit had a gun and that someone with a gun or a box cutter could not go running in there and try to come and dear the plane, they would be, most people would be reassured by that.
But because we're so politically correct in this country, we're not taking steps that would, again, you know, most people, I have great confidence with the American people.
Look at the heroism art of these firemen in New York.
Well, a friend of mine used to run the Port Authority of New York, George Marlin.
He ran for mayor.
He used to be in that building.
His successor died in that building.
And he was telling me stories of heroism.
For instance, on the day of September 11th, the firemen and the police quickly realized that both buildings would probably go down, but still they were trying to rescue people.
And apparently they sent out a 911 to the Archdiocese of New York.
As you know, most of these fire and cops, fire guys and cops, are Catholics, they're Italians, they're Irish, they're ethnic people.
And they figured they would get the Catholic priest there to help with the sick and the wounded and people hurting.
But the fire chief apparently came over to the priest and said, look, our men are going in.
They're probably not coming out, but they're going to try to save as many lives as possible.
Would you give them the last right?
And what they call like an emergency confession where they don't actually have to confess their sins.
And these firemen lined up, got the last rights, and went into those buildings knowing full well that they were probably not going to come out.
They can't say to us the airlines are safe when the pilots are going before Congress saying they're not safe, we need guns, the airline stewardesses are saying we need stun guns, and the government is publishing reports they're going to shoot down civilian airliners with military jets if they lose control of them.
I mean, that's not reassuring.
I think they need to be honest with the public and take steps to ensure public safety.
As a matter of fact, there was an incident today in an aircraft, and the aircraft was an airline passenger, apparently crazy, tried to enter a cockpit.
And the plane was escorted to its landing place after the pilot gave an alert by 2F-16.
So, yeah, they're real serious.
But we're just, I think this fear of an economic dive is keeping our government from telling us the full truth.
I just, I don't appreciate it when we're sort of fed tablum, in my opinion, on 60 minutes, and we're sort of lulled into a false security.
Well, I believe that this syndrome of lies and deceit that we're getting from the government didn't start recently.
It's been a long process happening over decades and perhaps reached its height in the 90s where we were deceived and lulled about a lot of things, including our security.
Well, again, don't underestimate the American people.
Just let us know the truth.
We will act like adults.
We will behave civilly.
We will come and rally.
But when we're told mistruths or things that are not right, it doesn't instill confidence and people will hold back and challenge the American people with the truth and see how we'll rise up.
And I think President Bush is doing, I think, a remarkable job under very difficult circumstances.
And he's come forward and said things which very few politicians would say, such as, this is going to mean a lot of casualties.
This is going to be not a limited war, but a broad war.
We're going to take years if we need to.
Usually politicians come out and say, don't worry, we've got everything under control, and we'll wrap this up quickly.
So it was refreshing, I think, to hear that.
I don't think he likes to point fingers backwards.
That's not his style.
But I think he's moving forward, and I like that a lot.
But I think there needs to be that same feeling throughout the government, not just limited to him.
By the way, I took a pretty interesting photograph, I think, the other Day, right out my back door.
Actually, I think it was Sunday, right out my back door, and sent it in to Keith, and he posted it.
And you can see a high-res version of it, if you wish, as well as the photograph itself.
It's simply the first snow that hit our mountain behind Perump here, where I live, and it's a pretty cool picture.
And so it's posted.
If you want to see it, you just go to artbell.com and go to what's new.
Second item down says first snow in Perump Mountains.
You might want to see that.
Also, Ralph Sarchi sent in the photographs he was going to send to the World Trade Center.
They're also up there at artbell.com tonight, right now.
So you might take a look at both.
Ralph Sarchi was the sergeant in the New York City Police Department that I had on, who has been involved in a whole lot of interesting work over the years, including exorcisms and a lot more.
And he took some colleagues of his in the police department took some photographs of what would appear to be souls, what would appear to be entities near the Ground Zero area.
And he finally did send in these photographs.
Wish I'd had them the night of the show, but he sent them in, and they're up there right now.
You can take a look and see what you think.
Once again, here is Christopher Ruddy.
Christopher, let's comment, have some comment from you on the situation ongoing right now.
I mean, here we are.
We're bombing.
The missiles of various forms are flying.
The planes are bombing.
B-52s are dropping lots and lots of bombs.
How do you think it's going, and what do you think it's going to lead to?
Well, I think that there was a desire by the administration to please the American people here, that people are very angry after what happened on September 11th, and they wanted action taken.
That's right.
And the best thing we can do right now is bomb someone, and I think we're trying to hit some of the camps that Osama bin Laden had, but they've been pretty honest in saying there aren't that many military targets in Afghanistan.
Well, and when they talk about there's some experts say on the high side, on the high side, the plot that led to September 11th that the terrorists used, they spent probably a half million dollars or less.
I think so, especially if the goal here is to overthrow the Taliban regime.
I was speaking with Congressman Rohrbacher on the phone earlier today, and he told me the U.S. government was supporting the Taliban for some years now, that we wanted them as opposed to these other Afghan groups, which were more amenable to America.
We knew that they were backing Osama bin Laden all these years, and we were still sending them aid and support covertly and openly.
Sometimes we do foolish things, and it comes back to harm us.
But I think that they're doing what they can.
I don't think, though, that it's just a PR move.
I think it's the first of several steps.
And the step is to hit out what they can hit using missiles and planes.
Then they're going to send the special ops in to try to capture Osama bin Laden or get some of his cells.
Well, I think also they would not want him sitting in a prison somewhere where he became some sort of hostage that they could then capture American ambassadors, American businessmen.
And yeah, he may be a martyr in the Muslim world, but it's probably better to have him as a martyr than as a bargaining chip in some future escalation.
Well, you know, there's an executive statute, executive order that bans assassinations.
And I think that that is a bad executive order.
I think the U.S. government should be able to get bad guys like this.
And they should also be able to offer rewards.
There's a former State Department official named Chuck Lucum that has been proposing for some time, even before September 11th, that we put $100 million to $1 billion on the head of Osama bin Laden and see if we can get one of his intimates to turn him over.
I understand it is, and there's people like Congressman Barr that have been pushing for this to be overturned.
What they don't want to get into is what happened during the Kennedy years and before, where apparently the Kennedy administration was ordering hits, and some people believe that may have led to his own demise.
I think the enemies of the U.S. learned a big lesson during the Carter years because they made a fool of Carter and he lost and they ended up with Reagan Bush for 12 years and no more missed a nice guy.
And I think they figured the Saddam Hussein and all they said, look, let's let the previous administration stay in there for eight years.
Then we'll hit them when they're weak and vulnerable after eight years.
And I think now we are waking up, but I wonder if the enemies of the United States have figured they have an opportunity they may not have again.
You know, we have Admiral Mora Art that writes for Newsmax.
He's the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Singhwab.
We have up on newsmax.com their story where they're basically saying there is a potential of a global war out of this.
You could have countries like North Korea or Iraq or China and Taiwan launching attacks knowing that we are diverted and that we have all of our little resources concentrated somewhere else in the world.
Well, Singlop, who I think is a real brass tax type guy, he's the former commander of U.S. forces in Korea, says that he thinks there's a high probability of another conflict breaking out.
Now, it may not happen immediately, but he, for instance, studies Korea, has studied it for 30 years.
He says the only way we could repel an armored invasion from the north into the south and to preserve the lives of as many men as we could of our 30,000 troops would be to use tactical nuclear weapons.
There's already indications that some of the leading princes and royal families in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have left their kingdoms right immediately after the September 11th attacks.
Now, this is very interesting because there is an early warning system.
These two countries are the early warning because they know it's only a matter of hours before Saddam Hussein's armored tank divisions, and he has as many tanks as he did before the Gulf War now.
I mean, we allowed him to rebuild to that point now.
That it's only a matter of probably an hour to be in Kuwait.
Now, I was in Kuwait just two summers ago, and I was there, and I saw how easy it is for tanks to roll across.
I mean, it's like between you going from your home to Las Vegas.
I hear on the net and elsewhere that Saudi Arabia is not warming up to what we're doing at all, that they're not really willing to help.
And then you hear government spokesmen go on and say, well, no, Saudi Arabia's going to come through for us and do everything we want, but they're not, are they?
I have been reading some Israeli news websites that you might be familiar with that are suggesting that Americans have moved tactical nukes into the arena where we presently are moving troops and planes and equipment, and that there is some consideration, probably not much, but some consideration for their use.
And there's also news about Russians moving tactical nukes.
Well, I've seen the reports in that one website I saw it on, probably the same one you did.
It's not so credible.
And there are certain treaties that we signed under the Elder Bush's administration, which bans the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons we have on our ships or planes, any forward deployment, which was, I think, crazy.
We also destroyed over the past decade most of our tactical nuclear arsenal.
We don't have many left, and we certainly don't have any neutron Bombs, which is probably the most effective weapon we have because it doesn't really cause much damage and they're very small and limited in their blast.
Well, I've interviewed Sam Cohn, who's the creator, and he told me that he was told that they destroyed all of the neutron bombs that Reagan built in the 80s.
There was not much press on it, but apparently they were.
And they're highly effective.
They would be great in this type of situation because they don't leave any radioactivity.
They do very little collateral destruction, but they could kill people in caves and in areas of terrain that are difficult to get at.
There's a great fear of doing that because, again, if we won't arm the pilots, we wouldn't do things.
Again, I was speaking to this gentleman that served Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman.
He lives in Panama.
He's an American expatriate.
And he told me, he said, look, you know, Harry Truman didn't build coalitions.
He never thought in terms of coalitions.
He always thought, I'm President of the United States.
What must I do to secure the interests of the United States?
And he said, the minute you start trying to build coalitions, you start lessening your interests in the favor of other interests.
And right now, in America, is in a really difficult struggle because we know that these folks are gaining weapons of mass destruction quickly if they don't have them already.
And there obviously was evidence that the president and the vice president feared and continue to fear that there will be a nuclear weapon use because all their behavior indicates that this constant movement of both of them out of each other's vicinity.
The fact Air Force One was engaging in maneuvers on September 11th where it was kept in the air and went to Air Force bases.
This is consistent with plans on continuity of government after a nuclear attack.
They say it was a threat to Air Force One and that perhaps the terrorists knew about the flight plans of Air Force One.
I really wonder about that.
I think the government may have feared again that a nuclear weapon may have been used and that they don't want to admit that again and goes back to what we said.
They don't want to tell us the whole truth.
For example, we know that the president had a prayer meeting before his address to Congress and it was revealed, we had it up on Newsmax, and he met with Billy Graham's son and a number of others, but he told them that there was things he couldn't tell them and that there was a possibility of the use of a nuclear weapon and that their prayers were more needed than ever.
And he's been warning for years that there's missing nuclear suitcase bombs from the Russian arsenal.
He believes the Russians have smuggled some of them into the United States already as part of their just operational procedures.
He believes that the mafia works closely with the military there.
There were some very strange things that happened this summer.
Newsmax has been the only place to report this, that the Russian press, Pravda, reported in July, citing an economics minister, that there was going to be a major, quote-unquote, financial attack on the United States that they had never seen before.
Yeah, this is how they described it, as a financial attack.
And the interviewer in Pravda, I mean, this is a page one story in Pravda, and it told people to, Russians, to get out of dollars, to buy rubles in gold, that there would be a collapse of the U.S. economy.
And the person was very quizzical, like, how do you know this?
Now, the government minister was predicting that it would take place in mid-August.
And her name was Korajina, and she said that Dr. Korajina, close to apparently President Putin, that there was going to be some sort of quote-unquote financial attack that would lead to this collapse that America had never seen before.
Now, we know the events of September 11th, like you said, was an attack on our economy.
That's what's happening.
She has since been reinterviewed by Pravda, and she again told them that she was mistaken about the date, but wasn't too far off, that there will be additional strikes against the United States to destroy the economy and make it no longer a world power.
And apparently, there's evidence that it was an economic attack because those people that did the attack benefited using the stock market and short-selling stock.
Oh, yes.
Not only in the airline industry, apparently in some of the companies that were in the World Trade Center that had their headquarters there.
Well, apparently they're still looking, and apparently there were a number of companies in the World Trade Center where there was a lot of unusual activity, like companies like Morgan Stanley, apparently, which had offices there, and the effect that that had on their stock.
Apparently, also there's been some money not collected, millions of dollars of money that was made by some firms or in the name of certain individuals overseas, and they have yet to collect the funds.
But other funds, because there's so many, we have a global economy where things go across borders and transactions happen quickly.
You can't track all of it.
And I mean, it's a brilliant plan.
Here they launch a war, and they fund the war by attacking our economy and the losses on the economy, and they bet the economy is going down on various mechanisms.
We have these investments like short selling and options and futures trading, and they can make money on a whole host of schemes, which they've obviously thought out and could fund hundreds of millions of dollars into this.
What's interesting, which brings up the whole issue that Russia was reporting there would be this financial attack, and then the economist for the Russian government said again in September that there would be additional attacks of a very unusual nature that will really destroy the American economy.
We can't forget, Art, that Russia is the main backer of every country on the State Department list of terrorism.
That includes Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, North Korea, and Cuba.
And you have to wonder with such close ties with their political and military establishment that they wouldn't know about this scheme.
They wouldn't have heard.
And we know of apparently efforts by Russia to develop nuclear weapons in Iraq and to help the, I'm sorry, in Iran and to develop the Iraqi bioterror weapons.
And so these links are very bothersome in my mind.
Well, I think Israel is in a fairly good position because it has a very smart military man heading its government, General Sharon, who is despised by a lot of people, but no one doubts, and I know this from my own visits to the Middle East, the Arabs may hate him, but they respect him.
And they know that he's a ruthless military man.
And you talked about our fear about using nuclear weapons and the like, and we have it.
He has no inhibitions.
If they're attacked with some weapon of mass destruction, the Israelis have a plan.
It's been written about.
It's called the Sampson option.
You've probably heard of it.
And basically, it says to the Arab world, if you use a weapon of mass destruction on our soil, like a nuclear bomb in Tel Aviv, we have a plan to destroy every Arab major population center in the whole Arab world.
It all goes up using atomic weapons.
And Israel has the weapons to do it.
And it has kept Israel safe.
And this is why they're coming over to pick on us, because they see us as a backer of Israel.
They're going to leave Israel alone.
But Sharon is frightened, I think, not so much by the Arabs, but what's happened recently is where the U.S. is suddenly calling for a Palestinian state.
And he realizes how dangerous that is, even though some people might support that idea, and it may be a good idea.
Let's put that aside for a second.
For the U.S. to announce that three weeks after these attacks has set a very bad note.
And that's why Sharon got up and said, we're not going to be Czechoslovakia and don't engage in appeasement.
And everybody criticized him.
But I can understand the fear that they have that there is going to be an effort of appeasement and that Israel would be on the losing side in that.
What about our own policy with regards to the use of some sort of weapon of mass destruction?
I've heard that we have a similar policy, that if bioterrorism or chemical terrorism were to kill many, many, that we might consider the use of nuclear weapons.
I mean, certainly during the Iraq war, it was reported that Bush let in 1991 that if Saddam Hussein used such weapons against American troops, he could expect a nuclear retaliation.
This war is a little different because we don't really know who the enemy is, and we haven't drawn any close links, or at least publicly, to any country.
And what I think has come out of these terrorist groups is that they figured out that it's so hard to pin blame that they can get away with impunity like they did in the Pan Am crash, where it was really hard to figure out who did it various times in the 80s where during the Reagan years where there were bombings that went unresponded to, certainly during the Clinton years.
And because of that, I think our enemies think, wow, we could detonate a nuclear warhead in an American city.
What are the Americans going to do?
They're going to blame it on Iran or Iraq?
The world will look at us very angrily if we retaliate.
Now, what Colonel Lunev says and has written about on Newsmax.com, I think It's the only plan that works is to warn these countries that we know are the usual suspects, Iraq and Iran and others, and say, Look, we're not going to even do an investigation as to who dropped the bomb.
You're all going to suffer, much along the lines the Israelis have planned out.
And not only do we need to tell them that, but we need To plan as if we're going to do it, because as soon as we start planning in our government to do this, it'll get back to the Russians and spies through these feedback loops that we are actually serious.
Well, basically, one of the top scientists in the U.S. government told him that anthrax is basically a poor man's nuclear weapon, and that the studies the U.S. government conducted at Oak Ridge National Laboratory by Dr. Chester discovered that for less than $50, you could kill large parts of the U.S. population just in the total cost of the anthrax.
Well, he said it's interesting.
I spoke to Kevin about this.
He said that he was at a seminar where Dr. Chester was revealing quite a bit of information that had never been published before.
Now, Kevin was the former president of the American Civil Defense Association, so he's very familiar with what's available.
And he said, and Dr. Chester said, look, we've done various tests at Oak Ridge.
And what we've discovered is that with a small amount of anthrax, we had two scenarios we tested.
One is a single operating terrorist with a truck with a 55-gallon drum of anthrax and a sprayer could cause tens of thousands of deaths within one city.
But scenario two, the government found, was that a sophisticated and well-trained technical terrorist group with four medium-sized planes of a DC-3 size were shown to potentially kill 35%, that's a third, of the U.S. population with one night flight spraying anthrax over key population centers.
And basically, you know, you see these things in the news, oh, it's hard to deliver, it's hard to dispense, the weather conditions, all of this.
Yeah, well, look what they were saying before this.
Look what they were saying, Art, before the September 11th attack.
If you look at it, it is apparently, and Kevin points this out, yeah, weather, if there's a sunlight, the temperature's a little bit off, but if you basically have a breezy, windy weather and you have a cold front, which is cloudy, those spores of anthrax will thrive and decimate large parts of the population.
Well, and I've heard of one person describe where you take a Cessna over the Canadian border, not even in America, and you get high in the altitude with a cold front moving over the northeast, and it could cause significant damage.
Mike Wallace, our good friend, was on last night saying had a number of experts, and they were not saying that these things couldn't be done.
In fact, one of the experts said, look, if you were to ask me, could somebody with box cutters do what they did on September 11th, I would have said you're crazy.
So I think basically, he said, I'm paraphrasing, all bets are off now about what they're capable of doing.
And we know they have, these terrorist groups have government support.
So they're sophisticated, they're funded.
Obviously, even look at September 11th.
They obviously had engineers look at the building of the towers and figured out if they put that amount of jet fuel in, they could crumble the building.
I mean, very sophisticated attacks.
So you're not dealing with people, you know, Bedouins running on donkeys through the desert.
That's the image they're trying to portray to the Arab world or anything.
You constantly pretend like you're about to invade because they're do something because then people will let down their guard, and that's what's happened in this country.
We know that the basic problem was, and Newsmax.com broke the story about how the CIA was not able to recruit spies in these networks, which is an incredible story.
To put in an Anglo-Saxon male, a woman from the United States, into a terrorist network, absolutely almost impossible.
Yeah, that wouldn't happen.
But the ability of the U.S. government to recruit, I saw briefly that one of the main players in this, for instance, one of the main players in the al-Qaeda network is a gentleman, and he was apparently organizing the money transfers out of the Gulf, was a student, a graduate, an Arab graduate of the London School of Economics.
And that caught my eye because, of course, I'm a graduate of the London School of Economics.
And I can tell you, it has students from all over the world.
And the U.S. government at one point used to recruit.
The CIA would go to campuses abroad and recruit people from foreign nationals.
But we certainly could have gotten and there would have been more than enough people, either for money or for good reason or good cause, to join with us.
But we have to be out there with our fishing hooks and trying to bait people or trying to hope they'll bite and join with us and becoming informants.
I'm sure there, well, I hear a lot of Congress is upset and all of this.
But our whole system is based on the concept of accountability.
And what we've seen is that there's really no accountability, and that is frightening.
In the British system, had this happened, you would have had several ministers probably, if not the whole government, fall.
Now, in the case here, we don't have that system, but we certainly, the president just arrived, his government really didn't have much responsibility, obviously, in preparing the nation for this.
It's a new government.
So people aren't holding him as accountable.
But certainly Congress has been around for a while, and they've been saying there have been these threats, and they haven't really done much.
So they should be held accountable.
But then the CIA and the FBI, there was a report we had up yesterday, got very little coverage.
It was in Newsweek and the New York Times buried in the New York Times on a Saturday.
One of the old tricks in journalism is if you have a big story and you want to bury it, you put it in the Saturday newspaper.
Well, there it was, New York Times.
And basically it said that the FBI had warnings from a Minnesota flight school that one of the terrorists connected with this group had come there and said, I wanted flight lessons.
I don't want to learn how to take off or land.
I just want to learn how to fly a plane in the New York airspace.
And the people there called the FBI, and the local FBI office said this was threatening superiors in Washington, told them not to investigate.
And the CIA, you have this current CIA director, George Tennant, who's been there for several years, should assume full responsibility here, but hasn't.
And the president has voiced confidence in him, and maybe he knows something we don't.
And according to the most extreme interpretations, the world is divided for people like Osama bin Laden into two parts.
One is the House of Islam, where Islam is currently controlling the society and the land.
And the other is the House of the Sword, which is the area that needs to be conquered by Islam or destroyed.
And by that thinking, you know, Israel is land that they need to get capture, but also other parts of the world which they once controlled, including Spain and Russia, and then the whole world.
They want to see the rise of Islam.
And what they've discovered is that they can take down a great power or attack one with very modest means, sort of like mosquitoes around a bear or flies around a bear.
And they're using this technique, which they used so well against the Russians in Afghanistan.
But now their weapons are growing in sophistication.
I had worked at the Trade Center, and it's pretty amazing that that building is down for those in the country that have never been there.
But my question, to be quick, is, is there any chance in your mind that this is a big ploy, in a sense, by Russia and China that have had close relationships over the last few years?
Russia's been giving China technology.
And could this be that maybe we're being set up in some way, that there's a lot more to this than just something as simple as being someone in Afghanistan with a lot of money that is out for the United States, you know, out against the United States?
I don't believe that Osama bin Laden pulled this off.
I think at least one nation, possibly several, backed him on this, or possibly more than one.
And those nations in the suspected group are all backed by Russia.
And so, yeah, I would be very concerned that there's part of a larger plan here.
And interestingly enough, when we talked to Admiral Moore and General Singh Law, they were not as concerned with Osama bin Laden.
They see him as an important agad.
They're concerned about the larger picture that there could be a war breaking out somewhere else, that the United States, in their view, should begin preparing for a larger war.
And I don't know if that mentality has really been brought to the fore in our government.
Well, I've said to my audience a lot of times, and I'll say it again now, when you take the, and I'm not saying we shouldn't, but when you roll the war dice, you know, anything can happen.
I think the Arab world is already, and as much as we have gone to great lengths, and I really don't believe the American people have any anger towards Islam or want to go after the Islamic world, it is already being interpreted by the Arab world as a grave attack on them by us bombing Afghanistan or wanting to bring American troops or to fight back.
And I don't think we're ever going to appease them.
And Osama bin Laden's very clever with the PR, and I think he has the hearts and minds of a lot of ordinary people in the Arab world.
Well, there's been some disagreement within the U.S. government.
There's some real arguments going on, largely pitting Colin Powell against the Defense Department and a gentleman named Wolfowitz, who's the Deputy Defense Secretary.
And Powell does not want to wide a war.
He does not want to go after Saddam Hussein.
And Wolfowitz and others want to go against him.
And there's a good argument on both sides.
I think the argument that wins is the one that protects America in the long run, and that is that we need to take these guys out before they get the big weapons of mass destruction.
But I'm very buoyed by the fact that the president has several times said, look, we're going to go after the country's behind this, not just Afghanistan.
So I don't think he would be saying that.
Bush is a guy who likes to keep his cards very close to the vest, is my understanding of him.
And I think you're not going to hear a lot of talk from him.
He's more a person of action, not a PR person.
You notice when the men came back from the EP3 from China, he didn't go run to see them.
When the New York bomb, he doesn't go run up for the press conference.
But on the other hand, he does follow up quietly, methodically, and aggressively in other ways.
Wild Gregline, you're on the air with Christopher Ruddy.
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Well, I guess that last caller sort of took my question away.
About the Moscow-Beijing connection, since everybody knows in reality that these guys are the puppeteers.
It almost seems like Islam is just used as their foot soldiers, their frontline troops.
When you look at the EP-3 incident, the buzzing of our kitty hawk, and this unprecedented strategic military alliances between China and Russia, even though as far as it goes with military exercises simulating mock nuclear attacks on our 7th Fleet, now every white paper I've read from every branch of the service says we're going to be in a conflict with either Russia or China or both by the year at least 2005, 210, or 215.
So are we farther down the line?
Are we doing a preemptive thing here, even though our attention is drawn just to Afghanistan?
Do you think that we know what's coming and this thing will escalate to this level?
I mean, if we did know the future, we'd all be down at the racetrack.
But we do know it is important to watch trends.
And you're right.
I mean, Russia and China are growing in an alliance that's very fearful.
And Arts talked about this and Russia's nuclear weaponry and the militarization there that isn't getting reported.
But one of the things that we should notice is that apparently the group that really doesn't really want any of this happening is the Chinese because they're benefiting now.
They're getting so much money and they're growing in so much power.
And now, who fears that?
I believe the Russians would rather start a war sooner than later because if they allow this to continue, China is going to far surpass them very quickly.
So that's another dynamic that we need to be aware of.
Well, I understood they were testing, but I had not heard definitively what the answer was.
And of course, even if it's a natural strain, it could have still been a natural spore that was grown somewhere.
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Okay, apparently they were saying it's not the natural occurring kind that you would find in the soil or in the dead animals.
But I have another quick question for you regarding a story that was on NewsMax.com last week, and I wondered if you had heard anything about this.
There's a plane in the Bahamas that came up missing, a crop dusting plane.
And it has disappeared, and it's still missing.
They can't find it.
And I was also on the same station listening to a lady who called in from Tam Miami today over the weekend that said she heard a small plane very low flying over her house.
And she was so concerned about that she called the police.
The police said, we don't have any information about it.
Call the tower at the Tam Miami airport.
They're supposed to have a record of all the planes flying in the area.
So she actually called the tower, and they said there's no record of any planes.
We have no record of any planes.
And mosquito planes do not fly at that time in the morning.
So it can't be a mosquito plane flying from a spring for mosquitoes.
They said call the FBI.
So she actually called the FBI.
The FBI told her, we don't have anything to do with that.
You need to call the airport tower at Miami.
And she says, I did.
And they said, don't worry about it.
So what the heck?
She's wanting to know what the heck flew over my house.
Chris, you said earlier that they may have as many as hundreds of sleeper agents in this country or people that they could activate.
One would imagine as we began our retaliation, our bombing, and then what's to come, which I guess is a lot, that if they had the capability, they would order something else pretty quick.
Well, I think they were waiting for our attack because they want to justify in the eyes of the world in their PR campaign that we killed innocent civilians and therefore this is an act of war.
And now we are responding.
They're responding.
And the whole escalation of the campaign of terror.
So, yeah, you know, the FBI has already arrested and detained over 600 people as of yesterday.
But I'm sure that the way these cells and networks operated was that everyone, the hijackers of the 11th may not have known other groups and networks that were working for the same cause.
And this is why there is a great fear that they may eventually use a more sophisticated weapon.
I'd be concerned about the food supply, the water supply.
We have a story up on Newsmax that there was some Arab fellow asking the librarian in Canton, Ohio for records about the water supply in Canton, Ohio.
Really?
How the piping system, strange, she alerted the FBI sometime after the fact.
But apparently it turned out the gentleman, according to news reports, was linked with the terrorists.
And I mean, they're going into Canton, Ohio to look at the water piping and supplies, you've got to wonder what their plans are, that it's not always going to be some big center like the World Trade Center, some big target.
And now we have the American Media Building.
Who would think that that would be a potential target?
Oh, I was saying that I don't really think that bin Laden did this.
I think that he's taken some of the glory.
Like you said, he's their PR man, but I kind of suspect that the real people behind it was Iraq, Iran, and Hamas, which is very, I think, a lot of people aren't looking at Hamas.
And if you looked at his interview, the leader of Hamas, right after the attacks, he said, I think the United States should rethink the Palestinian question.
And he had a very smug look on his face.
Now, there was an article in the Tucson Citizen on Saturday about Muhammad Atta had met with a very high-ranking Iraqi intelligence agent and apparently left his last will and testament with this guy.
But I'm wondering if anybody's looking at Hamas's connection.
And then my second thing is that I think, you know, those suitcase nuclear bombs you were talking about and these sleeper agencies, coming from New York, I would look right around the Brighton Beach area and the Russian neighborhood there because there's a lot of Chechens there.
Well, about the nukes, you know, Bill Gertz of the Washington Times, a top reporter there, reported that bin Laden's been having contacts with the Russian mafia and that our intelligence picked up that he was trying to acquire either suitcase nukes or biochemical weapons from them.
So that's ominous.
I mean, it's not just a rumor.
It's out there.
It's been published.
I don't know.
You know, I think the government's made a convincing case that there were a lot of links to Osama bin Laden, but I agree with your second point, which was that other countries were involved or could have been involved.
I have fond memories of being up very late talking about the 1990s, as you were one of the few hosts in the country that would touch some of the subjects that I would touch upon.
And I appreciate that and a reason why I think people listen to you and enjoy listening to you.
Number one, let's say hypothetically that there was some kind of a chemical problem like this anthrax, and it occurred in or near a big city like Los Angeles.
I really don't know, and maybe Chris Ruddy knows or you know or have some information.
Will the air currents pick that stuff up and carry it across state?
Well, Chris Ruddy mentioned, you may not have heard it, but he mentioned that one plan that could be put into effect would be to go to an area where, for example, a cold front is proceeding.
A cold front will sweep with pretty high winds ahead of it, and were they to dump it ahead of that, the cold front would just merrily carry it along and dump it as it went.
So there's all kinds of horrible little scenarios.
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Are there certain areas of the country that are safer than others?
The other idea that I had was, and I'm looking at the thinking that's going on here, and I'm wondering, from listening to the news, my perception or interpretation may be incorrect, but I'm hearing that the terrorists are doing this, or they could do that, or they could do this.
And I'm almost wondering, are we taking a, your opinion on, are we taking a tread lightly approach here?
And should we be more aggressive and be doing some other things to other countries that are being done to us?
I'm going to repeat what I said a little while ago.
I'm slowly, it's dawning on me that this is an Armageddon-like scenario.
In Armageddon, the aliens landed and everybody sort of waited for demands.
You know, they were killing people and blowing up cities and doing dastardly things to us and no demands.
They didn't want anything.
They made no demands.
They just wanted us dead.
And despite the noises bin Laden made about the Palestinians and the rest of it, it is my view that they just want us dead.
Basically, they want us to no longer exist like Israel.
They want Israel dead.
They don't want it to exist.
They pretty much regard us as infidels, don't want us to exist.
They want us dead.
And so, from my point of view, I want them dead.
Whatever it takes, however, we have to do it.
Do I think we're treading lightly?
No, I think we're treading wisely at the moment.
It looks to me like the President's doing a pretty damn good job in proceeding the way he is.
I don't know how else he would proceed, but at some point if the attacks on the United States continue and weapons of mass destruction are used, then I don't know that we would have any choice but to identify the likely suspects, as Chris Ruddy suggested, and do to them as they are doing to us.
I don't know what other choice there would be, and then, of course, you have a much, much, much wider war.
But that's really what war is all about.
You know, there aren't a lot of rules in war.
There aren't a lot of rules.
Once it begins and gets out of control, it's what it is.
It's war.
It's you dead or them dead.
So I think it's an Armageddon-like scenario, personally.
That's just my own personal opinion.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
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Hello.
Hello, this is Nancy Lee from Hawaii.
Hi, Nancy.
I wanted to ask you, what tomorrow night are you going to ask everybody to pray for, and what time is it going to be?
Because in Hawaii, we're a different time from you all.
I've been in radio for 35 years doing programs with headphones on.
I've got a little bit of hearing loss.
That's not what's happening to him.
He's going totally deaf, huh?
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Well, Greg Braydendon was on your program on a Sunday night, and he says that the best thing for us to do, if we were, because Princeton University is doing research on this, that the best thing for us to do is for us all to pray for world, to say thank you for sending us world peace.
Make no mistake, in another month or two, he will be totally death unless one of these interventions, a medical or spiritual, works.
And so we're going to try it.
I haven't done this in a couple of years, but while there's still time, we're going to give it a try.
Prayer works.
The concentration of millions of minds on one objective works.
I think we have recent evidence of that from Princeton University, as a matter of fact.
That's another show that we've got to get on the air about what's going on at Princeton.
In the meantime, I'm not going to wait.
And we will try a mass concentration, or if you wish, prayer, slash prayer, whatever you want to call it.
On Rush's behalf.
So if you hadn't heard the news today, he announced to his audience yesterday that he's going deaf.
He's lost all the hearing in one ear already and 80% in the second ear, and he cannot hear conversations now like the one we're having right now or music or anything else.
So when I say West of the Rockies and you're called in on West of the Rockies, that means you.
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Got her.
Prayer works.
There's no doubt about it.
You know, somewhere in our defense thinking over the last almost two decades, we've gotten away from George Washington's counsel in his farewell address.
That is, that the best way to prevent the kind of situation we're in right now is to be prepared for it initially.
I mean, we have been essentially inviting people to send their students into this country, their nationals into this country, just on more or less open visas, student visas, whatever, not following up on them.
Prior to that, of course, as you're well aware, over the Cold War period, the Red Bloc was doing the same thing.
They were implanting sleepers.
But whatever else, I mean, as your guest was pointing out, this country has been in a phase of unilateral disarmament.
And as such, I mean, putting dummy warheads on our MX, and the President talks about phasing them out next year, putting dummy warheads on our MX.
But unfortunately, we're at a point where the inertia of the thing is not working for us.
It's fairly obvious.
And I mean, the idea that there is an argument in the Defense Department right now is we ought to go after Iraq.
Heavens, we had, what, close to half a million men in place to protect Saudi Arabia and to lean on Saddam Hussein.
And right now, the capability, except to go to weapons of mass destruction, is totally with him.
And do you feel that I think I agree with you that the president's doing what he has to do?
But obviously, as your guest pointed out, this thing is pretty complicated.
The attack on the trade towers, you have people from many nationalities, the same ethnic group, but many nations that have been involved in this, mostly Marxist states.
I mean, Iraq, you've had people whose brothers, whose fathers who are.
I think that we are rethinking everything right now, and I think that we're rethinking, for example, as Chris and I were discussing, our policy always was to keep Saddam Hussein down but not out.
And we had certain political reasons for doing that.
We had certain real-world reasons for doing that, we thought.
However, with what's going on now, I'm sure that policy is being revisited.
And as the UN was warned earlier, there will be other countries that will be attacked.
In all likelihood, there will be other countries.
And no doubt, that will include Iraq.
And if you think for one second that we would go and not finish the job this time, then either we're crazy if that's the tack we took, or And I don't think we are, so I think we would go and finish the job.
I'm sure all of that is being reconsidered now in Washington.
Well, I think Nobody's pointed out that our bad image around the world has a lot to do with the U.S. Information Agency not doing their job and maybe the news media.
There should be billboards, newspaper ads, TV ads all across the Arab world showing who Americans really are: Muslim children going to school in Virginia and Afghani taxi drivers in New York.
Well, Okay, one thing to bear in mind is that with regard to Osama bin Laden and what he's probably done, if you look at the terrorist acts that he's accomplished so far, he has not shied away from killing Muslims in combination with Americans and other nationalities when it has suited his purpose to do so.
You know, he's not gone out of his way to keep from killing his fellow Muslims.
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That's right.
But that's not the general impression that the average Muslim has of who he is killing who America is.
Since you're so far away, I mean, you're in Copenhagen, that's a long ways away.
What's the press like there?
And what is the press saying there about all of this?
How are they reacting to the American attacks?
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Well, basically, all the Scandinavian countries have agreed, have gone along firmly with the U.S. policy.
You get a lot of commentators who are analyzing more of the Arab viewpoint and pointing out that the reason so many of the Arabs, and especially the Palestinians, hate America is because they see that we've been supporting Israel in supporting the Israeli occupation of what they consider to be their land.
And so they spend a lot more time talking, I think, with Arabs and showing their viewpoint on this.
And I don't know if you've seen lately, right now there's big riots going on in Palestine where the Palestinian police forces are fighting their own people.
And they've killed a number of people, including a 12-year-old boy.
Now, this is Palestinian police force fighting the Palestinian people.
But the demonstrators are walking around with pictures of Osama bin Laden.
Yeah, I don't know if you heard this or not, but just a couple hours ago on the AM news report here, there was a report that a man who was sick in Florida with the anthrax had recalled opening a funny letter.
It was just a white-lettered card that had Star of David on it.
But I think that it's a jump to imagine from something they would receive in their mailroom, which would be an attack certainly against them, to imagine that it would get in the publications that are being sold is a big leap.
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I understand, but I'm just trying to make sense out of why they would pick this one building.
I'm sorry, I can't really participate in this thing for a rush because it looks like we're just saving this guy's job, and I was just wondering how much he offered you to do this.
A lot of people that have called you, you can tell that.
Anyway, I'm calling because I'm really scared about what's going on.
I don't want to panic, but I'm not going to go out and buy a gas mask or anything, but I don't know whether I should stock up on water or buy canned goods, put a package together or what I should do.
You know, I would put a package together, and I'd include a good first aid, a comprehensive first aid kit, a way to purify water, you know, if you can get your hands on it, some sort of antibiotics.
Goes against what the government's saying right now, but I mean, these things just seem like plain old common sense to me.
Some kind of emergency power, information, radio, flashlights, blah, blah.
I heard tonight on a program that one lady was saying that God has done this to shake us up or allowed it to happen to shake us up so that we will be more humble and get down on our knees.
No, I don't think it has anything to do with meat.
I think it has to do with a disease.
You know, a rare disease, no doubt.
And it's a horrible thing to imagine, to lose your hearing.
To have your hearing completely go.
And in another 30 or 60 days, probably at the most, his will be gone.
And he will attempt to continue to do what he is doing.
The reason that I'm saying that I think this is a good idea in the case of Rush is because I've seen it work before.
And it is particularly effective, it seems like, in health issues, you know, with health issues, as you may recall with Daniel Brinkley.
Particularly effective in that area when there's an ongoing health problem.
Many, many minds together seem to have the power of many minds, which is more than one.
And I've never been able to conclusively say in my own mind whether it is prayer, because prayer is nothing but a mass concentration, an intense concentration on trying to get something good done.
Or whether it's just the power of the mind and many minds.
Pretty much, I'd say within an hour or two, they'd probably know conclusively.
But I believe I also heard something on MSNBC, but I slipped back and forth between all the channels, so I didn't really get to see how that turned out.
But like I said, I just wanted to inform you, and that's about it.
For us, there is no anthrax vaccine, and they were saying that it was only manufactured in one plant, I believe, up by the Great Lakes, and that it hasn't been manufactured there for quite some time.
Well, I wonder if anybody has given any thought to the coincidence of the war about to take place and the facts of the mounting evidence of extraterrestrial life due to people like Stephen Greer, Richard Hoagland, Paul Kohlbeck, and Whitley Striever.
Well, I doubt that one necessarily has to do with the other.
Now, if you believe in extraterrestrial life, you might believe that there might be some sort of intervention, but my feeling about that has always remained the same, and that is God tends to help those who help themselves.
And if you're waiting for little green guys or anybody else to save our ass, you better not, because it'll probably get buried if that's what you're waiting for.
So I tend not to look at that as a possible solution.
You know, it's something we've got to do for ourselves right now.
I saw that nightline the other night, and you might want to check up on this, but I thought what they said was if you're exposed to the anthrax, the antibiotics, they don't cure it, but they keep it in bay, and eventually you need to get the vaccine.