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Oct. 8, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Linda Howe - Bioterrorism - Chris Ruddy - Investigative Journalist

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	♪♪ From the high desert and the great American Southwest,
	I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, Maybe across the globe in all these time zones across the
	globe I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good evening, everybody.
	I'd like to welcome a brand new affiliate, WJNC, in Jacksonville, North Carolina.
	That is my birth town.
	Jacksonville, North Carolina is where I was born.
	Camp Lejeune's right there.
	As you know, my parents were both Marines.
	They're 1240 on the dial in Jacksonville, North Carolina.
	And happy to have you.
	It's a great place.
	All right.
	There are a number of things I want to say right at the top of the program here.
	And yes, here I am once again after missing, what, three days last week.
	When I am not here, It is because I cannot walk, I cannot sit, mostly I can't sit, and I can't stand, and I can't much lie down without being in pain.
	I can only hope that people understand what's going on.
	If I could sit here, I'd be here.
	You can be sure of that.
	But what happens is, my back begins to spasm, and it begins to damage itself, and that's it.
	I'm bent over.
	I'm bent over.
	Virtually crippled.
	And so when I'm not here, that's what's going on.
	And that's what was going on last week.
	And I decided I probably shouldn't be here tonight.
	But I am here because of what's going on.
	And I felt I should be here.
	So I'm kind of in that in-between state.
	And I hope that I can make it through the program without breaking into spasms.
	But it's kind of like a rattlesnake threatening my back.
	My doctors have offered me an option.
	For surgery, which is not a very good one.
	You know, the odds of it being a success are not good.
	And get this, if it is a success, you will sacrifice, I don't know, 10 or 20 percent of your mobility.
	That's if it's a success.
	Going the other way, you don't even want to know what can happen.
	So I'm obviously trying to avoid surgery and trying to stick it out and hoping it'll get better.
	Maybe it will.
	Maybe it won't.
	Uh, at any rate, uh, when I'm not here, uh, know that I'm not here only because I absolutely can't be here or anywhere else.
	Um, period.
	My colleague Rush is in trouble.
	Uh, Rush Limbaugh told everybody Monday that he is virtually deaf.
	He has lost all of his hearing in one year and lost, uh, 80% or better in the other year and, and given the next probable, probably two months, He will lose the remaining 20% and it's already to the point where he cannot hear phone callers.
	He cannot hear conversation.
	He cannot hear music.
	And he's very concerned about his voice, obviously.
	There is a thing, you know, where you hear your own voice.
	And if you cannot hear your own voice, you begin to lose some identity with your voice.
	And that happens to people without hearing.
	And I am so sorry about Rush.
	Please pray for him.
	Please pray for him.
	He is bound and determined to continue doing what he is doing in some method, in some way.
	That's a pretty heavy load.
	He discovered it, as you know if you listened, only May 29th.
	And then sort of dealt with it through the summer as his hearing deteriorated.
	He's a colleague, a friend.
	He gave me a really neat alien that's in the back of my studio.
	It used to be in his New York studio, and it's now in the back of my studio.
	And he's a great guy.
	Very dedicated to his work, and Rush, my friend.
	Let's hope for a miracle, and better yet, actually, if everybody would be so kind as to pray for a miracle.
	I think that would be appropriate.
	Almost inconceivable.
	Most radio people have hearing loss.
	I have hearing loss.
	Quite a bit of it.
	You know, I've been doing radio now for 35 years, and radio people are kind of crazy.
	You know, they like music.
	I did a lot of years of rock and roll music, believe me, in my career.
	A lot of years.
	You wear headphones for all of those years and you slowly, uh, slowly turn the volume up a little more and a little more.
	It's just a natural thing for a radio person.
	And so most of us in the business for a long time have suffered some hearing loss, but this is obviously, uh, not in that category at all.
	It's something, uh, completely separate that he says he has a theory about and is not prepared to, uh, air yet.
	The war is on.
	The United States pounded terrorist targets in Afghanistan from the air for now a second night in an effort to undercut the Taliban militia sheltering Osama bin Laden.
	I had a feeling that's exactly what we would take after their military infrastructure and we are doing that.
	He's still alive, we haven't got him.
	The U.S.
	is now telling the U.N.
	that aside from the attacks which we're all observing right now, there may be other countries that are going to be attacked, and I would imagine so if you're really going after Al Qaeda.
	Then you're going to go after them wherever they are, and they are all over the place.
	So I imagine they'll go after them in every nest where they find them.
	They have now arrested over 600 people in the investigations following September 11th.
	In Florida, a situation which we'll talk with Linda Moulton-Hall about in a moment.
	I was rather suspicious of the first anthrax outbreak there.
	Inhaled anthrax is a really rare thing.
	26, 27 years now since we've had a case.
	It now seems we've got a second case.
	The FBI has taken over the case into the investigation of the death of a Florida man after the germ was found in the nose of a co-worker and on a computer keyboard in their office.
	Hundreds of people who worked anywhere near the man lined up to get medical tests in Florida.
	And now it looks to me like this is some sort of a terrorist outbreak.
	A minimal one to be sure.
	Or at least a crime.
	Certainly one cannot imagine how anthrax could simply get sort of scattered about.
	It just doesn't happen that way as far as I know, but we'll find out more shortly from Linda Moulton how maybe there is a way.
	You know, they said the first man was an outdoorsman and he might have caught it that way.
	But I have my suspicions.
	I did from the report of the first man and now with somebody else and with them finding it in the office, it kind of changes everything, doesn't it?
	We'll be back with Linda Moulton Howe in just a moment.
	Now, Linda Moulton Howe, she has been a reporter for this program for years and years and years and years.
	Many years and she reports on all kinds of strange occurrences, things that are inexplicable otherwise.
	And she's very, very good at what she does.
	She has won awards across the board.
	Tonight, she's going to be reporting on this anthrax situation in Florida and so much more.
	It's obviously taken another step with what's occurred in Florida.
	And here to tell us what she knows about this and a few other related things from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, is Linda Moulton Howell.
	Linda, welcome.
	Thanks, Art.
	Well, for the first time since the mid-1970s, as you pointed out, Two cases of inhalation anthrax caused by breathing in bacteria spores have been confirmed in two Florida men.
	First was 63-year-old Robert Stevens who died Friday.
	He was a photo editor for The Sun, a tabloid newspaper published along with the National Enquirer at American Media in Lantana, Florida.
	Traces of anthrax were also found on the computer keyboard used by Robert Stevens at his American Media office.
	His home was not far from the airstrip where September 11th hijacker, Mohammed Adda, rented planes.
	The second man who tested positive for exposure to anthrax, anthrax is 73-year-old Ernesto Blanco.
	He worked in the mailroom at American Media.
	The second anthrax case was confirmed after Ernesto Blanco was admitted to Cedars Center Hospital in Miami-Dade County last week and treated for pneumonia.
	He went home but returned to the hospital.
	The fact that Blanco worked in the same office building as Stevens caught the attention of investigators who were checking intensive care units and morgues in southern Florida.
	So they gave him a nasal swab test and it was positive for anthrax.
	Medical experts say that inhalation anthrax rarely occurs naturally.
	More commonly, humans contract anthrax bacteria from contaminated soils or animals through skin cuts or in food or water.
	But with terrorism on everyone's mind and these two cases, this afternoon I talked about this surprising development with Dr. Donald Henderson, Professor of Medicine and Public Health and Director of the Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland.
	Dr. Henderson.
	Okay, and here we go.
	Okay, we've got a strange phenomenon in a sense that we have an individual from whom anthrax has been isolated from his nose, nasal passages.
	He is ill, but the illness does not, according to what I hear, look at all like anthrax.
	And this is the second case?
	The second case.
	The first case died, and certainly the clinical picture, everything I heard about there sounded very much like anthrax.
	I don't know whether an autopsy's been done, so I don't know what they've seen.
	The second case is very strange in that it really is Sort of like somebody's carrying the organism now.
	That information may be wrong in time, but at the moment it doesn't look like it.
	So we have something that looks a little more ominous with a second isolate, but on the other hand, it's such a strange phenomenon.
	And secondly, we have now looked at the organism.
	It's a pretty common, ordinary garden variety, anthrax, that we have out on the West Coast.
	We're out in the central plains from where animals are infected.
	It's very sensitive to all antibiotics.
	It's not some weird engineered bacterium at all.
	And one wonders at this point just where this could possibly have come from or what might have happened.
	How it got there, how this particular strain got into one man's lung, into somebody else's nose and onto a computer keyboard, is what our mystery is at this point in time.
	And as I say, I think once we get a lot more samples from around that area, we have a chance to look at each of those three strains and compare them out at the same.
	Man is breathing in anthrax in any amount.
	One would expect this would be turning up in the lung, but it certainly does not seem to be.
	I think there's just a number of things yet that we need to wait to find out about before we're ready to jump to any conclusions.
	But he did go to the hospital with what they thought was pneumonia.
	That's right.
	And wouldn't that mean that whatever they found in the nose would be in the lungs as well?
	No.
	Actually, inhalation anthrax does not usually cause pneumonia.
	People think of this as being anthrax pneumonia.
	In fact, it's a growth of the organism in the center of the chest, outside the lungs.
	What happens is the spore of anthrax goes into the deep part of the lungs and it's picked up by a cell, a white cell it's called, and then it migrates into the center of the chest and at some point that spore begins to grow.
	It grows very rapidly and it produces poisons or toxins and the individual may have I feel like he's got pressure in his chest, he may have some trouble breathing, but he does not normally have a pneumonia.
	The second man had clearly a pneumonia by x-ray, and clearly had some complications from the pneumonia.
	And the last I'd heard, I think there was a feeling was that this was a different disease that is caused by a different organism, and not anthrax.
	And yet he had a positive testing for anthrax in the mucus of his nose.
	That's correct.
	And that's what's puzzling.
	That's right.
	The general audience right now is asking a question that you can see why.
	Could this be related to the same terrorists that were training in those airplanes to crash into the buildings in New York and Washington?
	Because it's sort of in that general same area.
	Two cases within three or four days of something in Elation Anthrax, which nobody has seen a case of in the United States since the mid-1970s.
	That's correct.
	The coincidence in time and place where these things have happened is certainly something to be looked at with concern.
	Meanwhile, what has been done is that the building is this cordoned off so that samples can be taken throughout and
	they are being taken.
	The people who worked in the building have been started on antibiotics, which is the
	proper course to take.
	Certainly the FBI is very active in this case, as are the people from the Centers for Disease
	Control as well as the local health department people who are, as I've been told, very good.
	I don't see that we can make a judgment at this point other than to say let's do everything
	we can to find out just how this man got infected, or the two of them got infected, and how those
	anthrax spores wound up in the keyboard.
	The FBI says so far...
	It has not been able to link the two inhalation anthrax cases to any terrorist act, but Florida's Health Department is urging that all American media employees who have worked in that building since August 1st report to the Palm Beach County Health Department in Delray Beach for testing.
	Yeah, it's a newspaper, right?
	Yes, the American media is.
	That's where the Inquirer and The Sun Are both published and the son is where the first man worked in the photo department who died and the second man who is now being treated both for anthrax and this pneumonia, he worked down in the mail room.
	And now the health department is giving out an antibiotic that is effective in killing anthrax bacteria.
	Excuse me, Linda.
	You said he worked in the mail room?
	Yes.
	The 73-year-old, the second case, worked in the mail room of the same building.
	It sure would lead me to suspect that somebody opened a piece of mail with something in it.
	Well, there is the mail room, the keys, and that man who worked in the photo room, and that is what they are trying to connect.
	See, I'm just a talk show host.
	I can jump to conclusions.
	Yeah, well, and at the incubation period for anthrax, From the very first breathing in to symptoms can be anywhere from 6 to 45 days.
	Fortunately, it is not contagious from person to person.
	Right.
	But these two cases underscore the importance of understanding and coping with bioterrorist attacks in aerosols deliberately released from airplanes or other sprayers filled with biological weapons such as dry spore anthrax Or smallpox viruses.
	And I ask, Dr. Henderson, why some people argue that anthrax cannot be distributed easily by spray planes or other mechanical spray devices, and I'll have his answer and more after this break.
	Okay, well we're not quite up to the break yet.
	Okay, Linda, I suspected when the first man I was ill that something was really, really wrong.
	When the second man got ill, I think there's almost no question.
	I bet it came in the mail.
	I'll bet you it came in the mail.
	Well, it may because the 73-year-old is the one who worked in the mailroom, the one who got so sick and died, was the one who found, they found the anthrax spores on his computer keys.
	And depending upon if he opened the mail, who delivered and who got the largest dose, There is a direct association based on research in Russia that the amount of spores that you breathe in, if you just breathe in one, you probably are not going to get any kind of disease.
	But if you breathe in a concentrated amount, then that seems to be what tips over going into disease.
	And since none of us know yet, Exactly what did occur and the fact that there was this mailroom connection the same building and the photo guy it certainly is as you're jumping to that statement the mailroom would certainly be suspicious and I imagine the FBI has been all over there but it's also interesting that the first man who died Friday his home was only one mile approximately from that same airstrip
	Where the men who were involved in the crashes into the buildings on September 11th were renting planes.
	Whether there was any connection there or not.
	That's really, really odd.
	Yes.
	The whole thing is odd.
	All right, Linda.
	Hold on.
	We'll be right back.
	Again, I would ask my audience to pray for Rush Limbaugh.
	Rush is It's going through a terrible thing right now to lose, trying to imagine to lose your hearing, especially in this business where your voice and your hearing are how you do it.
	All right, once again, back to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and Linda Moulton Howell.
	Linda, you've got it again.
	All right.
	All right.
	Thanks.
	Thursday, I was in New York at Ground Zero with an attorney who represents police and fire people there.
	And the odor alone was overwhelming.
	It's a mixture of burning tires, burning electrical cord, and flesh.
	And it stings the eyes, it stings the nose, the throat, into the lungs.
	And probably one of the most Dominant conversations, whether we were walking on the street, or moving at Ground Zero, where there were officials, and they had high nozzle sprayers that were spraying the tires of all of the cars that were going and leaving Ground Zero.
	The question everywhere was, this air is so acrid, how bad is it?
	And there were these machines measuring the air quality in a lot of buildings.
	You could hear the rat-a-tat-tat of the same kinds of machines.
	And on everybody's subtitle was, and could terrorists do something in this air that would then end up poisoning people?
	Well, this is on everybody's minds.
	It's on the front covers of Time and Newsweek.
	And now the anthrax cases and I went into an in-depth conversation with Dr. Henderson about anthrax, about smallpox, and the controversy about whether or not it is easy to spray these kinds of biological microbes from the air or through mechanical devices.
	And here we begin with Dr. Henderson.
	All right.
	It is not just all that easy to grow up the anthrax organism and to put it in the right kind of form and then to distribute it.
	On the other hand, let's recall that the people who flew the airplanes into the International Trade Center didn't make airplanes.
	I'm sure they didn't know how to build airplanes.
	They captured the airplane.
	Could they go and buy anthrax spores?
	Well, there are a lot of countries, quite a number of countries, that have the ability to make anthrax in the form that it could be used.
	And that is back to Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Russian research prior to the change from the Soviet Union to Russia?
	That is correct.
	We know for a fact that the Russians We're turning out anthrax spores in tons and ton quantities.
	We even had an accident when one of the plants that was making anthrax in this form leaked from the plant and somewhere around a hundred people died as much as three miles away and it was just a minute amount of these anthrax spores that escaped.
	The Iraqis had a very extensive operation producing anthrax.
	What we suspect is that there are a number of other countries that have this capacity, including to produce like anthrax in this form, including such as North Korea, Iran, Syria, Libya, so that it is not just Iraq and Russia.
	Could you please explain what the problems are in distribution by Well, the trick is to put up what we call an aerosol.
	or what have you in your studies now on this bioterrorism threat concluded
	about the difficulties or the ease of distributing anthrax in smallpox?
	Well, the trick is to put up what we call an aerosol.
	When you dust your roses, you have a powder there, right?
	Right.
	The organism that's used is about the same size as anthrax.
	And you just sort of, it's a very fine powder and it drifts out over the roses.
	There are various ways by which you can, once you have it in powder form, that it can be distributed.
	And what we know that, we talk about the crop dusters and people say, well, it's very large particles, they don't, they don't Normally, spray with fine particles drifts away.
	True.
	But you can change the adjustments on your aerosolizers.
	It's not difficult to do.
	You just change a couple of nozzles.
	It's quite simple.
	And if terrorists got a spray plane with this right dry powdery anthrax and distributed it, let's say, over the city of New York, What is the worst case that could happen?
	There are several problems that have to be solved, and you can't really answer that question easily.
	First of all, you've got a wind.
	And if the wind is very still, it's not going to go anywhere.
	If the wind is too strong, it's going to blow it away, and it's not going to settle as you'd like it to settle.
	Uh, if it's done with a bright sunshine, uh, the sunshine itself may kill off the organisms.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So UV light could kill, uh, an aerosol of anthrax?
	Yes.
	And could it kill an aerosol of smallpox?
	Yes, it could.
	So daytime distribution might, uh, not work, but nighttime distribution might.
	Exactly.
	Well, on the issue of smallpox, since we have a generation that has not been vaccinated against smallpox, and we've already had demonstrated that Osama bin Laden and Taliban advocate dying in the sacrifice for their cause, all they would have to do would be to infect Some of their people with smallpox here in this country and have them walk around and it is highly contagious and it could end up starting something that could keep spreading from throughout one entire generation.
	Let us say you have a patient who is sick with and has the rash.
	What you want to do is find out who has been in contact with him.
	Since he first became sick.
	And then you would immediately want to vaccinate those individuals and their household contacts.
	Smallpox vaccine is quite unique in a way that many people don't realize.
	Smallpox vaccine will protect even though it's given two to three days after you've been exposed.
	You may be exposed to an individual They even have inhaled the virus.
	But if you're vaccinated within two to three days after that, you are still protected.
	But most vaccines have to be protected well beforehand.
	But this is different.
	And even when it's given four to five days later, it has a major influence in avoiding a fatal outcome.
	The Bush administration has authorized New production of more smallpox vaccines, which will increase U.S.
	supply in 2002.
	And in addition to vaccines, there is another discovery waiting in the wings, which could neutralize the bioterrorism threat by literally blowing up the germs, and it's called nanobombs.
	These microscopic droplets of oil are layered with detergent and suspended in a watery solution.
	The oil drops are called nanobombs because they are smaller than anthrax bacteria or smallpox viruses.
	So when those tiny droplets come in contact with germs, they fuse to the surface of the bacteria and viruses, which happens to be the way oil and water react, and that causes the membrane surrounding the microbes to burst.
	Now I first reported this in 1999 and 2000, about this breakthrough with its inventor, Dr. James Baker, at the University of Michigan.
	And the last time I interviewed him, he was getting ready to test his nanobomb solution for the U.S.
	Army.
	He also took his invention through the patent process and now has a company called NanoBio Corporation, affiliated with the University of Michigan, to produce and distribute what could be a wonderful, non-toxic answer to bioterrorism.
	And this week, I talked with the Chief Executive Officer of NanoBio.
	His name is Ted Anis.
	All right, here we go.
	Kills the bad guys.
	Dr. Baker's material took top honors, and it was the only material, by the way, that was not toxic.
	And not caustic and not corrosive.
	So you can actually drink this material.
	You can put it on your skin and you're okay.
	What was the Army's reaction to the fact that this basically oily water substance could be so effective and be non-toxic at the same time?
	They were very pleased and they were very happy with this result.
	The part of the Department of Defense known as DARPA ...which funded this research was extremely pleased.
	This is a big DARPA success.
	They funded this research at the University of Michigan.
	Dr. Baker discovered this material, or invented this material, and it's regarded as quite a success.
	This material can be loosely described as the salad dressing that kills anthrax.
	And people are skeptical when they hear that, including people in the military, despite the military's own data.
	Well, you would think that everybody would be enthusiastically embracing this now because from the last time I talked with Dr. Baker, it was very clear that this material could be sprayed on children, animals, plants, and people without harm and yet blow up viruses and bacteria.
	Exactly.
	We are seeing some signs of interest from the Department of Defense and from our government.
	We hope they embrace us enthusiastically.
	Haven't yet.
	Quite frankly, I'm expecting that to happen.
	And I'm waiting for them to call and have us come to Washington and sit down and talk about how we get this out into the field and out into the population within six months.
	Well, if the Army already knows that it works in tests and works the best, why would it not already be front and center and being distributed throughout the country?
	Very interesting question.
	I don't know.
	It isn't for lack of our talking to different people in the Department of Defense.
	The only thing I can tell you at this point is that the only timetable I had seen prior to Terrible Tuesday from the Army was a timetable that would put this material or some material, some biodefense material, In the hands of the soldiers by 2006.
	Now, of course, after Terrible Tuesday, this is clearly going to be accelerated.
	Well, and how do you accelerate it if people are still not calling you to Washington?
	That's a very good question.
	Heaven forbid.
	But if there is an anthrax attack at this moment or within the next couple of weeks, there isn't a darn thing we can do because we cannot get this material Approved, manufactured, and distributed that quickly.
	And these news reports with images right now including a contrast in Petri dishes at the University of Michigan showing what happened to anthrax in one dish after this nanobomb solution was applied and the anthrax bacteria are completely gone.
	You can see these photographs at my website, www.earthfiles.com, by going to the top of the headlines at my website, earthfiles.com.
	Go to the headlines page and it's the top story.
	And Art, in this time of so much uncertainty about what will happen in the Middle East and around the world, I wanted to also let host listeners know that there's going to be a very interesting conference coming up about Earth mysteries that tie into the ancient past of the Middle East.
	It seems that it has had so many conflicts and problems on the Earth for so long.
	And it's a conference that's going to feature the work of Zechariah Sitchin, who has done a lot of books and work analyzing ancient Sumerian tablets.
	about struggles in Mesopotamia and I'm going to be there presenting information about some of the ancient Hermetic texts as they relate to mysterious lights and crop circles which is the subject of my latest book and this is going to be a conference in Sedona and the place to go to get information again is at my website www.earthbios.com on the headlines page.
	This is a year in which there are so many changes coming so quickly and rapidly and this was a season also in which the crop patterns in Germany, Holland, Canada and England have also been truly strange.
	I know, it's been a wild year, Linda.
	Very quickly, may I ask you, are there any new developments because of all that's been going on, we haven't touched on it, the possibility of Atlantis off the coast of Cuba?
	Uh, does this story still have legs?
	Is the story still alive?
	Nobody's hearing anything because of everything else that's going on.
	Yes, it does.
	And, uh, yes, I hope to be doing a report about it when it's possible to do a report.
	Um, but, uh, right now everything is, uh, sort of under wraps.
	And, uh, as soon as, uh, there is something to report, I will call you.
	Boy, they sure did clamp mouths shut on this one, didn't they?
	Yes, and probably for the very good reasons that if you are on a story that is going to perhaps be profound in its implications, you've got to get a lot of ducks in the row.
	And they also are coordinating with various media.
	And so when the time is right, you'll have it for us.
	We're going to have more.
	And in the meantime, what is happening in this world now with all of the subjects that we have been talking about tonight and how everything is going to continue to unfold.
	I hope that what Coast listeners will take from this report tonight is that it is a complicated issue when you start getting into bioterrorism but one of the things that in interviewing Dr. Henderson and others is that there are ways to contain disease with smallpox.
	The approach is vaccination immediately in any areas where they would break out and because of this unique aspect of the vaccination of smallpox That you can have an effect on people even within three or four days after breaking out with a rash.
	And that tends to contain in what they call rings of vaccination around outbreaks.
	So we are at the point where public health and various investigators are looking for signs of disease anywhere and everywhere more so probably than they ever have.
	And they are ready with some vaccines and they are getting more into production.
	So that right now they feel somewhat confident that they could control smallpox and that anthrax, which is not contagious person to person, when there is an outbreak, they can also move in with antibiotics.
	And for the most part, if the disease is caught early, they can save people.
	So it isn't all terrible doom and gloom.
	And out of all of this there, as Dr. Henderson also said, There has been a sharpening of the focus and the training.
	They have been running training courses in various labs, training more people to be able to detect anthrax, to have a lookout for smallpox and other diseases that might come in the country.
	And one of the other things that was satisfying to hear is when you hear about bubonic plague or Ebola or some of the others, They are extremely difficult.
	They are not at all transmissible as easily as, say, smallpox.
	And so there is a kind of self-containment in some of these diseases.
	Well, Lynn, if they have this nanobomb you were talking about that would kill this stuff, why is it not being developed like crazy?
	Well, that's...
	It is the issue of bureaucracies.
	You heard his one polite statement that the earliest that there was any timeline to introduce some kind of decontaminant into the Defense Department's arsenals was 2006.
	And here we are in 2001.
	We've had this major event which is going to accelerate everything.
	One of the wonderful things is to realize that this material could be sprayed in subways, on buses, on planes, on streets, on people.
	Yes, to prevent all this.
	And it would kill everything without hurting life forms.
	So maybe out of all of this, that if there's a silver lining, it is that we are getting arsenals that may help us Faster than we ever thought.
	All right.
	Linda, as always, wonderful having you here.
	Great reports.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so very much.
	Thank you.
	Good night.
	All right, folks.
	That's it.
	That's the latest on the anthrax.
	And I had no idea about the nanobomb.
	Isn't that something?
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good morning everybody.
	This is Art Bell.
	On this radio program, uh, the longtime listeners know that we know how to do something that we haven't done now in a couple of years.
	And with the news from Rush Limbaugh today, tomorrow night we're going to do what we haven't done in a couple of years.
	And we are going to try... I don't know how you feel, you know, about prayer.
	I don't even know how I feel about prayer.
	That is to say, Why it works.
	Because I really don't know.
	I just know that it does work.
	Actually, intense concentration and willing something good to happen appears to work.
	And actually, I'll go beyond that.
	It does work.
	And in view of what Rush announced earlier today, I think tomorrow night God willing, I'll be here, and we will do what we have not done for a couple of years, and that is get millions of people concentrating simultaneously on the same thing.
	And we're going to give it a try.
	It is in with a group of great experiments that I stopped doing a couple of years ago for what I think is a very good reason, and that I now resume for what I think is a very good reason.
	So having said that, spread the word to your friends.
	Tomorrow we are going to try an experiment that we haven't done in a long time.
	Coming up in a moment is Chris Ruddy.
	Christopher Ruddy is one of the nation's premier journalists.
	In 1999, Newsweek in fact named him one of America's top 20.
	New media personalities.
	An investigative reporter, Mr. Reddy, has broken numerous stories that have received national acclaim.
	In 92, he first exposed revelations that a PBS documentary had fabricated key facts, causing PBS, as a result, to withdraw their support for the film.
	First time they had ever done any such thing.
	At the New York Post, Mr. Ruddy's series on abuses of the social security disability programs led to a national media flurry and congressional reforms.
	Also at the Post, Mr. Ruddy broke several stories relating to the death investigation of Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster.
	He appeared many times on this program with respect to that investigation.
	He has appeared on just about every radio and television show in the world.
	Uh, William Sessions, the former director of the FBI, said of Chris, Chris is tenacious.
	His reporting is serious and compelling.
	He sure is tenacious.
	He certainly is tenacious.
	Coming up in a moment, Christopher Ruddy.
	Alright, here now is the tenacious, very tenacious, uh, Christopher Ruddy.
	Chris, hi.
	Hello, Chris.
	Hello, R. Oh, there you are.
	You thought you lost me there for a second.
	I did, yes.
	I had put you on the speakerphone, and I had to press the button there.
	I see.
	All right.
	Welcome to the program.
	Well, thank you for having me.
	We're living during interesting times, incredible times, but it's very disappointing to hear about, saddening about Rush Limbaugh.
	Boy.
	And I think We don't want to lose someone like him, and your program and his have demonstrated the great need this country has to have the alternative information the big media don't give us.
	Well, thank you.
	I'm pretty shocked and devastated that, you know, what's happened.
	It really, really, really came out of left field today and jolted me hard.
	Chris, since we last spoke, Well, gee, let's see.
	The Twin Towers were hit.
	The Pentagon was hit.
	We're at war.
	An awful lot's happened, Chris.
	And now we have begun the attack.
	Two days now.
	Many attacks into... As a matter of fact, I just heard that we're attacking now apparently during daylight hours as well.
	There was, I guess, a morning attack.
	So, an awful lot has happened and I hardly know where to start.
	Um, do you want to just give us some comments on, uh, on, on, on what happened, uh, in New York and, uh, at the Pentagon, uh, and, and Bin Laden?
	And what can you tell us?
	Well, so much has happened.
	It really is.
	I think most people still are in a state of shock over this.
	I don't think we're fully absorbed.
	I was out this evening.
	I'm down here in South Florida, just a few miles from where Bob Stevens died.
	I've been in the American media building.
	I know a lot of people over there.
	You know, this is a small universe down here of journalists, so we bump elbows with a lot of people in the tabloids, the bars, and fellow journalists and the like, and I know a number of people that knew Bob Stevens, and it's almost shocking that so close we have an example of someone that had anthrax and contracted it and died of it.
	Okay, well let's begin with that.
	What do you know about this story?
	I had Linda Moulton Howe in the hour prior to you, and she said that One of them worked in the mail room and I immediately jumped to the conclusion that, boy, it was probably sent in the mail and somebody opened the damn thing.
	What do you know?
	Well, the latest story out tonight, we have a link up to it on Newsmax.com, is the evidence that the FBI is focusing on a strange letter that was sent to the National Enquirer.
	In it was a star of David and some strange powder.
	Oh.
	made some comments of course the Star of David is the symbol of Judaism and it's frequently the target of these terrorists is the Jewish community and some strange it was a love letter apparently to Jennifer Lopez and apparently they get these type of strange letters from fans or the like and people passed the letter around and it had this powder on it and Bob Stevens was apparently one of the persons who touched that letter, and apparently the gentleman from the mailroom had carried the letter as well.
	Wait a minute.
	It was a love letter to Jennifer Lopez?
	Well, this is what they're reporting.
	Why would they be sending that to... Do you know to whom it was addressed?
	They haven't revealed that information, but what's interesting, Art, is that of course,
	you know, this is the Inquirer, they deal in celebrities, so I guess if they wanted
	people in the building to pay attention to something, they would suggest that it would
	be linked to something involving a celebrity.
	We don't know exactly what was in the letter that made people interested in it and the
	reason it was passed around.
	Now there must have been something in there that caused people some interest in the office,
	that they would pass it around.
	Indeed.
	Now there's another development, is that the FBI is apparently focusing on an Egyptian young man, or of Egyptian nationality, that was an employee or a summer intern at the Enquirer, and when he left, he sent a strange email, which some people thought was rather threatening, to some of the staff saying, Goodbye, nice to know you all, and there'll be some surprises in the future.
	And a number of people were quite shocked by it, and after the incidents of the anthrax, you know, took it very seriously.
	And let's remember, this is pulmonary anthrax.
	When the government said, oh, nothing to worry about, don't bother, this is an isolated incident.
	In fact, did you see 60 Minutes last week?
	I did.
	Not this last one, but the week prior.
	About the anthrax?
	Yeah, and they had somebody on who said, look, nothing to worry about.
	We have all these push operations ready to respond anywhere, and we are totally prepared.
	Is our government really totally prepared?
	Um, no.
	And the information they're giving the public, I think, is disinformation or bad information.
	They're saying, oh, don't panic, don't do this, don't worry.
	Tommy Thompson, you're referring to his appearance on the 60 Minutes program, said, we have plenty of medicine if there is an outbreak, don't worry about it.
	Well, here's the problem.
	Here we had the first test case, really.
	It was in American media.
	And it was a case of pulmonary anthrax.
	And the media at first just said, well, there's always every year a case of anthrax.
	Well, there hasn't been a case of pulmonary anthrax since 1976, so this should have set off alarm bells.
	Right.
	And I was called by a doctor friend in New York, and he said, look, if people in your area die or start to die of anthrax, past this guy Bob Stevens, you should immediately go on antibiotics.
	I said, well, if I get the flu.
	He said, no, no, no, you misunderstand.
	The government's not telling people the truth on this.
	By the time you get the symptoms, you're dead.
	It's almost a strong probability, like 90% you will die, even if you take massive amounts of antibiotics intravenously.
	And this is why, after ignoring this and saying that it wasn't a problem, everybody over at American Media, I'm told, has been already informed, even if they don't have any symptoms, to start going on a regimen of antibiotics.
	A 15-day regimen, apparently.
	And that is good sense.
	But the government should be explaining this to people, that if people in your community, you know, die of anthrax, you should have, and people should have, a supply of antibiotics on hand.
	Even a limited amount.
	Well, that's another thing.
	On that program, he said, no, you should not store antibiotics.
	No, you should not get a gas mask.
	No, you should not worry.
	Well I can tell you I live not far from Palm Beach.
	I had dinner with some very influential people over there and they told me that they've sold out of antibiotics in Palm Beach.
	I know people in Manhattan and in New York and people in the medical community that tell me in all the upscale areas you can't even get antibiotics.
	So people who are not unsophisticated have already gone out and gotten antibiotics.
	And if you had to ask me what I would rather have, a gas mask or antibiotics, I would say that... Antibiotics.
	Yeah, I mean, clearly.
	And I don't even know if there'll... We now know, and this is the good, I think, that will come out of September 11th, or could come out of it, is that there are far greater dangers than the horrific acts of September 11th.
	And if the American people begin to prepare themselves, we can stave off a bioterror attack that might have killed hundreds of thousands of people.
	We're going to be a lot more aware of these things, but we've got to act with some deliberation about it.
	Rather than this nonsense the media keeps on telling us, like on 60 Minutes, oh don't worry, it doesn't have any effect, they can't do it.
	Oh yeah, they can't do it, they just took four jets using box cutters and took down the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon.
	Well, I think there's a reason why they're doing this, and if I were to guess at that reason, it is as follows, Christopher.
	The economy in America has turned sour.
	It was turning sour prior to September 11th.
	It is considerably soured from September 11th and getting worse rapidly.
	If people are scared, if people stay home, if people don't buy stuff, if they hunker down, It's going to really smash the economy.
	It's going to do probably more damage than any terrorist could do with any single strike, or even some multiple strikes.
	It's going to ruin the economy, and I think that's what they're afraid of.
	Well, I agree with you on the economy.
	We are in deep trouble.
	However, it is very important that the government maintain A great deal of credibility with the public.
	That's like the truth.
	How about maintaining the truth?
	Oh, absolutely, because that's going to be vital to having the public's confidence in the government to pull us out of the recession.
	I believe that this economy would not have fallen off the cliff as it is doing right now had the government and the Bush administration immediately allowed the pilots who have demanded this, many of them are former military people, To arm themselves.
	I agree with that.
	The minute... I mean, 90% of... I have flown since September 11th.
	I've been on four flights.
	I know people.
	I can sense they're scared.
	I know a lot of people that aren't flying.
	But if people knew that one of the pilots in the cockpit had a gun, and that someone with a gun or a box cutter could not go running in there and try to commandeer the plane, they would be... Most people would be reassured by that.
	But because we're so politically correct in this country, We're not taking steps that would... Again, you know, most people... I have great confidence in the American people.
	Look at the heroism art of these firemen in New York.
	Yes.
	I mean, I heard stories... A friend of mine... And the people on Flight 93.
	Well, a friend of mine used to run the Port Authority of New York.
	George Marlin, he ran for mayor.
	He used to be in that building.
	His successor died in that building.
	And, uh, he was telling me stories of heroism.
	For instance, on the day of the, um, of September 11th, the firemen and the police quickly realized that both buildings would probably go down, but still they were trying to rescue people.
	And apparently they sent out a 911 to the Archdiocese of New York.
	As you know, most of these fire and cops Fire guys and cops are Catholics, they're Italians, they're Irish, they're ethnic people.
	And they figured they would get the Catholic priests there to help with the sick and the wounded and people hurting.
	But the fire chief apparently came over to the priest and said, look, our men are going in.
	They're probably not coming out, but they're going to try to save as many lives as possible.
	Would you give them the last right?
	And then what they call like an emergency confession where they don't actually have to confess their sins.
	And these firemen lined up, got the last right, and went into those buildings knowing full well that they were probably not going to come out.
	That is heroism.
	That is America.
	You bet.
	And then again, the people on Flight 93 who apparently rushed these hijackers and brought that plane down.
	Um, so there's a lot of heroism.
	I think that Americans are sturdier than our government gives us credit for.
	And I think they're holding back information because they think we're not so sturdy.
	Well, and you know, we've got common sense.
	They can't say to us the airlines are safe when the pilots are going before Congress saying they're not safe, we need guns.
	The airline stewardess is just saying we need stun guns.
	And the government is publishing reports they're going to shoot down civilian airliners with military jets if they lose control of them.
	I mean, that's not reassuring.
	I think they need to be honest with the public and take steps to ensure public safety.
	I agree.
	As a matter of fact, there was an incident today in an aircraft and the aircraft was an airline passenger.
	Apparently a crazy tried to enter a cockpit.
	And the plane was escorted to its landing place after the pilot gave an alert by 2F16.
	So, yeah, they're real serious.
	But we're just, I think this fear of an economic dive is keeping our government from telling us the full truth.
	I just, I don't appreciate it when we're sort of fed pablum.
	In my opinion.
	On 60 Minutes.
	And we're sort of lulled into a false security.
	That's the wrong way to approach this.
	Well, I believe that the syndrome of lies and deceit that we're getting from the government didn't start Recently, it's been a long process happening over decades, and perhaps reached its height in the 90s, where we were deceived and lulled about a lot of things, including our security.
	But hell, we're at war.
	I can understand that.
	I'm still going to function as a human being and a member of society.
	I'm still going to buy stuff, my needs, and so forth and so on, but we're at war.
	I understand that we're all, to some degree, at risk, so I don't need to be Fed Pablum.
	Well, again, don't underestimate the American people.
	Just let us know the truth.
	We will act.
	And like adults, we will behave civilly.
	We will come and rally.
	But when we're told mistruths or things that are not right, it doesn't instill confidence and people will hold back and challenge the American people with the truth and see how we'll rise up.
	And I think President Bush is doing, I think, a remarkable job under very difficult circumstances.
	And he's come forward and said things which very few politicians would say, such as, this is going to mean a lot of casualties.
	This is going to be not a limited war, but a broad war.
	We're going to take years if we need to.
	Usually politicians come out and say, don't worry, we've got everything under control and we'll wrap this up quickly.
	Yes.
	So it was refreshing, I think, to hear that.
	I don't think he likes to point fingers backwards.
	That's not his style.
	But I think he's moving forward, and I like that a lot.
	But I think there needs to be that same feeling throughout the government, not just limited to him.
	Hear, hear.
	All right, we'll continue with this in a moment.
	Stay right where you are.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good morning.
	I've been drifting on the sea of heartbreak, trying to get myself ashore for so long, for
	so long.
	By the way, I took a pretty interesting photograph, I think, the other day.
	Right out my back door.
	Actually, I think it was Sunday.
	Right out my back door.
	And sent it in to Keith, and he posted it.
	And you can see a high-res version of it, if you wish.
	As well as the photograph itself.
	It's simply the first snow that hit our mountain behind Pahrump here, where I live.
	And it's a pretty cool picture.
	And so...
	It's posted.
	If you want to see it, you just go to artbell.com and go to what's new.
	The second item down says, First Snow in Pahrump Mountains.
	You might want to see that.
	Also, Ralph Sarchie sent in the photographs he was going to send to the World Trade Center.
	They're also up there at artbell.com tonight, right now.
	So you might take a look at both.
	Ralph Sarchie was the sergeant in the New York City Police Department that I had on, who has been involved in a whole lot of Uh, interesting work over the years, including exorcisms and a lot more.
	And he took, uh, some colleagues of his in the police department, took some photographs of what would appear to be, uh, souls.
	What would appear to be entities, uh, near the Ground Zero area.
	And he finally did send in these photographs.
	Wish I'd had them the night of the show, but he sent them in and they're up there right now.
	You can take a look and see what you think.
	Once again, here is Christopher Ruddy.
	Christopher, let's have some comment from you on the situation ongoing right now.
	I mean, here we are.
	We're bombing.
	The missiles of various forms are flying.
	The planes are bombing.
	B-52s are dropping lots and lots of bombs.
	How do you think it's going, and what do you think it's going to lead to?
	Well, I think that there was a desire by the administration to please the American people here, that people are very angry after what happened on September 11th and they wanted action taken.
	That's right.
	And the best thing we can do right now is bomb someone.
	I think we're trying to hit some of the camps that Osama bin Laden had, but they've been
	pretty honest in saying there aren't that many military targets in Afghanistan.
	No, the camps are probably empty and the people are probably in caves.
	And remember, each cruise missile I think costs about 500 million, is it?
	Five million dollars or something?
	I think it's five million.
	I thought they were about a million apiece.
	Yeah, or maybe that's correct.
	Still a lot of money.
	Well, and when they talk about, there's some experts say on the high side, on the high
	side, the plot that led to September 11th that the terrorists used, they spent probably
	a half million dollars or less.
	Well, I can understand the strategy of taking out their ability to do anything at all in
	You know, anti-aircraft guns, probably whatever limited air force they have, take that out.
	But we're really going to have to go in on the ground, aren't we?
	I think so, especially if the goal here is to overthrow the Taliban regime.
	I was speaking with Congressman Rohrabacher on the phone earlier today and he told me the U.S.
	government was supporting the Taliban.
	For some years now that we wanted them as opposed to these other Afghan groups which were more amenable to America.
	We knew that they were backing Osama Bin Laden all these years and we were still sending them aid and support covertly and openly.
	Sometimes we do foolish things and it comes back to harm us.
	But I think that they're doing what they can.
	I don't think though that it's just a PR move.
	I think it's the first of several steps, and the step is to hit out what they can hit using missiles and planes.
	Then they're going to send the special ops in to try to capture Osama Bin Laden or get some of his cells.
	How about killing him?
	Well, I think they would love to do it if they could, as opposed to capturing.
	I mean, I'm not so sure.
	I want to see a long trial of Osama Bin Laden anywhere.
	I just sort of want to see him dead.
	Well, I think also they would not want him sitting in a prison somewhere where he became...
	Some sort of hostage that they could then capture American ambassadors, American businessmen, and yeah, he may be a martyr in the Muslim world, but it's probably better to have him as a martyr than as a bargaining chip in some future escalation.
	Sure.
	Imagine how much of a martyr, as you point out, he would be if we actually had him in a jail somewhere, my God.
	No, I think he should be dead.
	Well, you know, there's an executive statute, executive order that bans assassinations.
	And I think that that is a bad executive order.
	I think the U.S.
	government should be able to get bad guys like this.
	And they should also be able to offer rewards.
	There's a former State Department official named Chuck Lukum that has been proposing for some time, even before September 11th, That we put a hundred million to a billion dollars on the head of Osama Bin Laden and see if we can get one of his intimates to turn him over.
	Isn't that executive order under review right now?
	I understand it is and there's people like Congressman Barr that have been pushing for this to be overturned.
	What they don't want to get into is what happened during the Kennedy years and before where apparently the Kennedy administration was ordering hits.
	And some people believe that may have led to his own demise, and once you start the game of assassination... Yeah, but my view is, if they could kill our president, they'd do it now.
	Well, I think they may have tried on September 11th.
	There you are.
	You know, if they could kill him today, they would kill him.
	Yeah, and it's war.
	It's war.
	It's not like the good, the old days with the KGB where we basically had this agreement, you don't kill our guys and we won't kill your guys.
	Right.
	Right.
	Actually, that worked out when you had a good Cold War in place, which we don't have anymore.
	Right.
	Who would think we'd be dreaming about getting the Cold War back?
	Yeah, the good old days, right?
	Yeah.
	So, anyway.
	What do you think we're in for?
	And by that I mean, for example, do you have any information at all about whether the FBI is aware of how many might still be in the country?
	Well, I've heard that there's probably hundreds if not thousands.
	Those are numbers that have been bandied about in the country.
	We basically have an open border policy.
	People can come in like Like water through a hose.
	I mean, there is nothing stopping them from coming into this country and residing here and getting visas to students.
	It's only just a few days ago that they stopped giving visas to students from countries that sponsor terrorism like Syria and Libya.
	And it's almost insane that we were doing this.
	You wonder if we have a death wish at some point that we were allowing people like this into the country.
	I also wonder, I think they That we were vulnerable before this incident.
	Very vulnerable.
	And that they waited a certain period before they woke us up.
	That's for sure.
	I think the enemies of the U.S.
	learned a big lesson during the Carter years because they made a fool of Carter and he lost and they ended up with Reagan Bush for 12 years and no more Mr. Nice Guy.
	And I think they They figured the Saddam Hussein's and others said, look, let's let the previous administration stay in there for eight years.
	Then we'll hit them when they're weak and vulnerable after eight years.
	And I think now we, we are waking up, but I wonder if the enemies of the United States have figured they have an opportunity they may not have again.
	You know, we have Admiral Mora Art that writes for Newsmax.
	He's the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Singh Lobb.
	We have up on Newsmax.com their story where they're basically saying there is a potential
	of a global war out of this.
	You could have countries like North Korea or Iraq or China and Taiwan launching attacks
	knowing that we are diverted and that we have all of our little resources concentrated somewhere
	else in the world.
	How do we sit?
	Could we, if Iraq began to act up, or North Korea, do we have sufficient resources to prosecute in two areas at once?
	Well, Singh Lop, who I think is a real press tax type guy, he's the former commander of U.S.
	forces in Korea, says that he thinks there's a high probability of another conflict breaking out.
	Now, it may not happen immediately, But he, for instance, studies Korea, has studied it for 30 years.
	He says the only way we could repel an armoured invasion from the North into the South and to preserve the lives of as many men as we could of our 30,000 troops would be to use tactical nuclear weapons.
	Oh, that's another subject I want to talk to you about.
	I mean, there's one instance.
	Then you have Iraq.
	There's already indications that some of the leading princes and royal families in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have left their kingdoms right immediately after the September 11th attacks.
	Now this is very interesting because There is an early warning system.
	These two countries are the early warning because they know it's only a matter of hours before Saddam Hussein's armored tank divisions, and he has as many tanks as he did before the Gulf War now.
	I mean, we allowed him to rebuild to that point now.
	That it's only a matter of probably an hour to be in Kuwait.
	Now, I was in Kuwait just two summers ago.
	And I was there and I saw how easy it is for tanks to roll across.
	I mean, it's like between you going from your home to Las Vegas.
	It's not far away.
	Well, tell me what's going on with Saudi Arabia.
	I hear...
	On the net and elsewhere, that Saudi Arabia is not warming up to what we're doing at all, that they're not really willing to help.
	And then you hear government spokesmen go on and say, well, no, Saudi Arabia is going to come through for us and do everything we want.
	But they're not, are they?
	Well, I think they're in a bind.
	I don't think they really want to back Osama bin Laden.
	But I think that all of these regimes don't really trust America.
	They have seen Saddam Hussein come back into great power again, where he's very influential and has a big military again over the past eight years.
	And Egypt, Mubarak has the same situation.
	They know the fundamentalists would like to overthrow them as much as they'd like to kill the Americans.
	And so if they side too closely with us, they will get burned.
	And they're not so sure they're going to be on the winning side this time.
	And the Emir of Kuwait, as I mentioned before, left for London almost immediately after the attack.
	And that was one indication.
	I don't think that was good.
	The king's brother took up residence.
	There's more Saudi princes in Geneva than they've seen in a long time there, I'm told.
	So those things, I think, are things I watch to see because they're sort of early warnings that people are afraid of something breaking out there.
	The military we have today is 40% smaller than it was under Operation Desert Storm.
	And back then, Art, it took us six months before we launched the ground war.
	That's right.
	We wouldn't be able to do that today.
	All right.
	Tactical nukes.
	That's something I want to bring up with you.
	I have been reading some Israeli news websites that you might be familiar with that are suggesting that Americans have moved tactical nukes into the arena where we presently are moving troops and planes and equipment, and that there is some consideration, probably not much, but some consideration for their use.
	And there's also news about Russians moving tactical nukes.
	Have you been hearing any of this?
	Well, I've seen the reports, and that one website I saw it on, Probably the same one you did.
	It's not so credible, and there are certain treaties that we signed under the elder Bush's administration which bans the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons we have on our ships or planes, any forward deployment, which was I think crazy.
	We also destroyed, over the past decade, most of our tactical nuclear arsenal.
	We don't have many left, and we certainly don't have any neutron bombs, which is probably the most effective weapon we have, because it doesn't really cause much damage, and they're very small and limited in their blast.
	The website we obviously both read also talked about those.
	Yeah, the neutron bomb.
	Well, I've interviewed Sam Cohn, who's the creator, and he told me that he was told that they destroyed all of the neutron bombs that Reagan built in the 80s.
	There was not much press on it, but apparently they were.
	And they're highly effective.
	They would be great in this type of situation because they don't leave any radioactivity.
	They do very little collateral destruction, but they could kill people in caves.
	And in areas of terrain that are difficult to get at.
	Do you really think we've destroyed them all?
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	I know we've destroyed almost all our tactical nukes and the neutrons were considered part of that arsenal.
	Can you imagine a scenario in which we would use anything with the name nuclear on it?
	There's a great fear of doing that because, again, if we won't arm the pilots, we wouldn't do things.
	Again, I was speaking to this gentleman that served Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman.
	He lives in Panama.
	He's an American expatriate.
	And he told me, he said, look, you know, Harry Truman didn't build coalitions.
	He never thought in terms of coalitions.
	He always thought I'm president of the United States.
	What must I do to secure the interests of the United States?
	And he said, the minute you start trying to build coalitions, you start lessening your interest in the favor of other interests.
	And right now in America is in a really difficult struggle because we know that these folks are gaining weapons of mass destruction quickly if they don't have them already.
	And there obviously was evidence that the President and the Vice President feared and continue to fear that there will be a nuclear weapon use.
	Because all their behavior indicates it.
	This constant movement of both of them out of each other's vicinity.
	The fact that Air Force One was engaging in maneuvers On September 11th, where it was kept in the air and went to Air Force bases, this is consistent with plans of continuity of government after a nuclear attack.
	How much do you know about that?
	There have been... There was an initial story that almost was retracted about the threat to Air Force One and then it all quieted down.
	What do you know?
	They say it was a threat to Air Force One and then perhaps the terrorists knew about the flight plans of Air Force One.
	I really wonder about that.
	I think the government may have feared again that a nuclear weapon may have been used and that they were they don't want to admit that again goes back to what we said.
	Yeah.
	They don't want to tell us the whole truth.
	Of course.
	For example, we know that the president had a prayer meeting before his address to Congress and it was revealed we had it up on Newsmax and he met with Billy Graham's son and a number of others but he told them that there was things he couldn't tell them And that there was a possibility of the use of a nuclear weapon.
	And that their prayers were more needed than ever.
	Oh my God.
	What do you suppose that means?
	Does that mean that we have knowledge that they have a nuclear weapon?
	I can only imagine that.
	Not that we would use one, because if we were to use a nuclear weapon, our coalition would go poof, that'd be it.
	Yeah, well, yeah, for sure.
	People would not, there would be a lot of angry parties already we have fraying of our coalition.
	So to me that would mean that somebody else has one that they fear might be used.
	Oh yeah, well that's clearly what the president was indicating to the ministers and the religious clergymen.
	And you've had one of our writers on your show, Colonel Stanislav Lunev, who's the highest ranking defector ever from Russia.
	Right.
	And he's been warning for years that there's missing nuclear suitcase bombs from the Russian arsenal.
	He believes the Russians have smuggled some of them into the United States already as part of their just operational procedures.
	He believes that the mafia works closely with the military there.
	There was some very strange things that happened this summer Newsmax has been the only place to report this That the Russian press Pravda reported in July citing a economics minister that there was going to be a major Quote-unquote financial attack on the United States that they had never seen before Financial attack?
	Yeah, this is how they described it as a financial attack And the interview in Pravda, I mean this is a page one story in Pravda, and it told people to, Russians, to get out of dollars, to buy rubles and gold, that there would be a collapse of the U.S.
	economy.
	And the person was very quizzical, like, how do you know this?
	Now, the government minister was predicting that it would take place in mid-August.
	And her name was Korogina, and she said that Dr. Korogina, close to apparently President Putin, That there was going to be some sort of quote-unquote financial attack that would lead to this collapse that America had never seen before.
	Now we know the events of September 11th, like you said, was an attack on our economy.
	That's what's happening.
	She has since been re-interviewed by Pravda and she again told them that she was mistaken about the date but wasn't too far off, that there will be additional strikes against the United States to destroy the economy and make it no longer a world power.
	Christopher, are you good for another hour?
	Sure.
	Alright, then another hour it is.
	Stay right there.
	Okay, we'll be back and we'll take some calls for Christopher Ruddy when we do get back.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM at the beginning of the week.
	Good morning.
	The world was on fire, no one could save me but you.
	Once again, here is Christopher Ruddy.
	Chris, you mentioned an economic attack.
	Would you regard that as what happened on the 11th or something yet to come, or what?
	Well, I believe that was the main goal, and apparently there's evidence that it was an economic attack because those people that did the attack benefited using the stock market and short-selling stock.
	Oh yes!
	Not only in the airline industry, apparently in some of the companies That were in the World Trade Center that had their headquarters there.
	So this was very cleverly and well thought out.
	Where is that investigation?
	I know the SEC is looking into the short selling that went on.
	There were some stories and then it got quiet.
	What's going on?
	Well apparently they're still looking and apparently there were a number of companies in the World Trade Center where there was a lot of unusual activity.
	Companies like Morgan Stanley apparently.
	Which had offices there and the effect that that had on their stock.
	Apparently also there's been some money not collected.
	Millions of dollars of money that was made by some firms or in the name of certain individuals overseas and they have yet to collect the funds.
	Oh really?
	But other funds because there's so many.
	We have a global economy where things go across borders and transactions happen quickly.
	Right.
	You can't track all of it.
	And I mean it's a brilliant plan.
	Here they launch a war.
	And they fund the war by attacking our economy and the losses on the economy and they bet the economy is going down on various mechanisms.
	We have these investments like short selling and options and futures trading and they can make money on a whole host of schemes which they've obviously thought out and could fund hundreds of millions of dollars into this.
	What's interesting, which brings up the whole issue that Russia was reporting there would be this financial attack and then the economist for the Russian government said again in September that there would be additional attacks of a very unusual nature that will really destroy the American economy.
	We can't forget, Art, that Russia is the main backer of every country on the State Department list of terrorism.
	That includes Iraq.
	Iran, Syria, Libya, North Korea, and Cuba.
	And you have to wonder with such close ties with their political and military establishment that they wouldn't know about this scheme.
	They wouldn't have heard.
	And we know of apparently efforts by Russia to develop nuclear weapons in Iraq and to help the, I'm sorry, in Iran and to develop the Iraqi bioterror weapons.
	And so these links are very bothersome in my mind.
	Israel sat out Desert Storm, and so far they're sitting this out, I guess.
	We had to, I guess, promise they wouldn't be part of any coalition in order to get Pakistan to join hands with us, insomuch as they have.
	What do you think Israel will do if the stuff hits a fan?
	Well, I think Israel is in a fairly good position because it has a very smart military man heading its government, General Sharon, who is despised by a lot of people, but no one doubts, and I know this from my own visits to the Middle East, the Arabs may hate him, but they respect him.
	And they know that he's a ruthless military man.
	And you talked about our fear about using nuclear weapons and the like, and we have it.
	He has no inhibitions if they're attacked with some weapon of mass destruction.
	The Israelis have a plan, it's been written about, it's called the Samson Option.
	You've probably heard of it.
	And basically it says to the Arab world, if you use a weapon of mass destruction on our soil, like a nuclear bomb in Tel Aviv, We have a plan to destroy every Arab major population center in the whole Arab world.
	It all goes up using atomic weapons.
	And Israel has the weapons to do it.
	And it has kept Israel safe.
	And this is why they're coming over to pick on us, because they see us as a backer of Israel.
	They're going to leave Israel alone.
	But Sharon is frightened, I think, not so much by the Arabs, but what's happened recently is where the U.S.
	suddenly calling for a Palestinian state.
	And he realizes how dangerous that is, even though some people might support that idea
	and it may be a good idea.
	Let's put that aside for a second.
	For the US to announce that three weeks after these attacks has set a very bad note.
	And that's why Sharon got up and said, we're not gonna be Czechoslovakia
	and don't engage in appeasement.
	And everybody criticized him.
	But I can understand the fear that they have that there is going to be an effort of appeasement
	and that Israel would be on the losing side in that.
	What about our own policy with regards to the use of some sort of weapon of mass destruction?
	I've heard that we have A similar policy that if bioterrorism or chemical terrorism were to kill many many that we might consider the use of nuclear weapons.
	Well, yes and no.
	I mean certainly during the Iraq war it was reported that Bush let in 91 that if Saddam Hussein used such weapons against American troops he could expect a nuclear retaliation.
	This war is a little different because we don't really know who the enemy is and We haven't drawn any close links, or at least publicly, to any country.
	And what I think has come out of these terrorist groups is that they figured out that it's so hard to pin blame that they can get away with impunity, like they did in the Pan Am crash, where it was really hard to figure out who did it.
	Various times in the 80s, where during the Reagan years, where there were bombings that went unresponded to, certainly during the Clinton years.
	Because of that, I think our enemies think, wow, we could detonate a nuclear warhead in an American city.
	What are the Americans going to do?
	Are they going to blame it on Iran or Iraq?
	The world will look at us very angrily if we retaliate.
	Now what Colonel Lunaf says and is written about on Newsmax.com, I think it's the only plan that works, is to warn these countries that we know are the usual suspects, Iraq and Iran and others, and say, look, we're not going to even do an investigation as to who dropped the bomb.
	You're all going to suffer much along the lines the Israelis have planned out.
	And not only do we need to tell them that, But we need to plan as if we're going to do it.
	Because as soon as we start planning in our government to do this, it'll get back to the Russians and spies through these feedback loops that we are actually serious.
	And that, I don't think we've really laid out.
	Would Russia be one of those we would include?
	Well, it certainly could be.
	It is the main sponsor of all of these countries that is supporting nuclear weapons.
	You have to wonder, you know, the old saying, the Romans had qui bono.
	You know, when the Romans tried to figure out blame, they just figured out who qui bono means in Latin, who benefit.
	And the Russians seemingly are benefiting or would benefit by our harm and destruction.
	And I'm not so worried about a nuclear weapon now is, you know, we have a thing up on the website.
	It's called Anthrax Q&A, and it was put together by a former Pentagon planner, Kevin Briggs, an Air Force officer.
	What's he on Sean?
	Well, basically, one of the top scientists in the U.S.
	government told him that anthrax is basically a poor man's nuclear weapon, and that the studies the U.S.
	government conducted at Oak Ridge National Laboratory by Dr. Chester discovered that For less than $50, you could kill large parts of the U.S.
	population just in the total cost of the anthrax.
	So again, then, we're not really being told the truth.
	Well, he said it's interesting.
	I spoke to Kevin about this.
	He said that he was at a seminar where Dr. Chester was revealing quite a bit of information that had never been published before.
	Now, Kevin was the former president of the American Civil Defense Association, so he's very familiar with what's available.
	And he said, and Dr. Chester said, look, we've done various tests at Oak Ridge.
	What we've discovered is that with a small amount of anthrax, we had two scenarios we tested.
	One is a single operating terrorist with a truck with a 55-gallon drum of anthrax and a sprayer could cause tens of thousands of deaths within one city.
	But scenario two the government found was that a sophisticated and well-trained technical terrorist group with four medium-sized planes of a DC-3 size, were shown to potentially kill 35%, that's a third of the U.S.
	population, with one night flight spring anthrax over key population centers.
	And basically, you know, you see these things in the news, oh, it's hard to deliver, it's hard to dispense, the weather conditions, all of this.
	That's what they're saying everywhere.
	Yeah, well, look what they were saying before this.
	Look what they were saying, Art, before the September 11th attack.
	If you look at it, it is, um, apparently, and Kevin points this out, yeah, weather, if there's a sunlight, the temperature's a little bit off, but if you basically have a breezy, windy weather, and you have a cold front, which is cloudy, that, those spores of anthrax will thrive.
	And decimate large parts of the population.
	And it would be carried right along the front, then.
	And there's large parts of the country where you have that type of weather condition.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Mostly moving west to east.
	Most weather moves west to east, generally.
	Well, and I've heard of one person describe where you take a Cessna over the Canadian border, you're not even in America, and you get high in the altitude with a cold front moving over the northeast.
	And it could cause significant damage.
	Why isn't anybody saying this?
	I mean, I have watched interview after interview on CNN and elsewhere where they say, look, it's just not practical.
	You cannot kill a lot of people this way.
	We should worry about other things and not worry about this.
	I mean, they really are laying that down heavily.
	They must be very, very afraid of a panic.
	Well, it's interesting.
	You talked about 60 Minutes.
	Mike Wallace, our good friend, was on last night saying, had a number of experts, and they were not saying that these things couldn't be done.
	In fact, one of the experts said, Look, if you were to ask me, could somebody with box cutters do what they did on September 11th, I would have said, you're crazy.
	So I think basically he said, I'm paraphrasing, all bets are off now about what they're capable of doing.
	And we know they have, these terrorist groups have government support.
	So they're sophisticated, they're funded.
	Obviously, even looking at September 11th, they obviously had engineers look at the building of the Twin Towers.
	Must have.
	Yeah, must have.
	And figured out if they put that amount of jet fuel in, they could crumble the building.
	I mean, very sophisticated attacks.
	You're not dealing with people, you know, Bedouins running on donkeys through the desert.
	That's the image they're trying to portray to the Arab world.
	I mean, sophisticated power players behind them.
	Did we know this was coming?
	Well apparently there were some warnings.
	That's what I've heard.
	There are apparently some warnings and the Israelis provided some warnings and said to the U.S.
	government there may be an attack it may be coming soon we don't know the nature of it and apparently and You probably remember in the news hearing that there were warnings of Osama Bin Laden for the past several years.
	Yes.
	A lot of false alarms.
	Yes.
	It's also a great tactic in military planning and surprise.
	Constantly threatened.
	Yeah.
	I mean, governments have done that.
	You constantly pretend like you're about to invade because or do something because some people will lay down their, put down their guard and that's what's happened in this country.
	Um, We know that the basic problem was, and Newsmax.com broke the story about how the CIA was not able to recruit spies in these networks, which is an incredible story.
	Well, they're so different in every way.
	I can understand it would be difficult for us, very difficult for us.
	Not impossible, but very, very difficult.
	I disagree.
	I think it would be far easier than you think to put in Um, an Anglo-Saxon male or woman from the United States into a terrorist network?
	Absolutely almost impossible.
	Yeah, that wouldn't happen.
	But the ability of the U.S.
	government to recruit... I saw briefly that one of the main players in this, for instance, um, one of the main players in the Al-Qaeda network is a gentleman and he was apparently organizing the money transfers out of the Gulf.
	Was a student, a graduate, an Arab graduate of the London School of Economics.
	And that caught my eye because of course I'm a graduate of the London School of Economics.
	And I can tell you it has students from all over the world.
	And the U.S.
	government at one point used to recruit, the CIA would go to campuses abroad and recruit people from foreign nationals.
	Right, but we have been sort of not doing much of that in recent years, right?
	Yeah, and that was a big mistake.
	But we certainly could have gotten, and there would have been more than enough people, either
	for money or for good reason or good cause, to join with us.
	But we have to be out there with our fishing hooks and trying to bait people or trying
	to hope they'll bite and join with us and becoming informants.
	Inside the government and the CIA and our various agencies, how much recrimination is going on that we're not hearing about over this?
	Not enough.
	Not enough.
	I'm sure there... Well, I hear a lot of Congress is upset and all of this.
	But our whole system is based on the concept of accountability.
	And what we've seen is that there's really no accountability.
	And that is frightening.
	In the British system, had this happened, you would have had several ministers, probably, if not the whole government fall.
	Now, in the case here, we don't have that system, but we certainly, the president just arrived, his government really didn't have much responsibility in, obviously, in preparing the nation for this.
	It's a new government.
	So people aren't holding him as accountable.
	But certainly Congress has been around for a while, and they've been saying there have been these threats, and they haven't really done much.
	So they should be held accountable.
	But then the CIA and the FBI, there was a report we had up yesterday, got very little coverage.
	It was in Newsweek and the New... buried in the New York Times on a Saturday.
	One of the old tricks in journalism is if you have a big story and you want to bury it, you put it in the Saturday newspaper.
	Well, there it was, the New York Times.
	Sure.
	And basically it said, The FBI had warnings from a Minnesota flight school that one of the terrorists connected with this group had come there and said, I wanted flight lessons.
	I don't want to learn how to take off or land.
	I just want to learn how to fly a plane in the New York airspace.
	And the people there called the FBI and the local FBI office said this was threatening.
	Superiors in Washington told them not to investigate.
	What?
	Now has anyone held accountable?
	Has anyone been fired?
	No.
	And the CIA, you have this current CIA director, George Tenet, who's been there for several years, should assume full responsibility here, but hasn't.
	And the President has voiced confidence in him, and maybe he knows something we don't.
	In fact, he went out of his way to bolster the CIA.
	He went out of his way to do that.
	And I guess he felt that either morale in the CIA needed boosting, or, you know, I'm not exactly sure what he thought, but Well, his style, from what I've seen, has always been not to point fingers, not to look back, and go forward, and be optimistic, and all of that is great, but the system depends on accountability.
	Sure.
	And yet, nobody wants to hold anyone accountable, and if we're not holding anyone accountable, how are we going to really get out of this mess at the end of the day?
	A couple of other things, Chris.
	Normally, I would associate a terrorist action with a demand.
	Now, there haven't been demands in recent terrorist actions, you know, in Saudi Arabia.
	And here with this, nobody claims credit particularly, although Osama Bin Laden has said he's very happy about what happened in New York.
	Nobody's claimed credit or Well, I think Osama laid it out pretty clearly last night.
	or anything else. So what are we to imagine that the motive for this was? What are we
	to imagine? Well, I think Osama laid it out pretty clearly last night. He said that the
	cause of this was Israel. Yeah, I know, but you know, the Palestinians, they don't even
	want to be associated with Osama bin Laden's actions.
	He tried to suggest that it was Israel and the Palestinian struggle and all the rest of it.
	Maybe, but they don't want to be associated with it.
	Other people think he's just saying that to grab on to something to say.
	Listen, hold on.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	Christopher Ruddy is my guest.
	I'm going to tell you what I think it's like.
	I think it's like Armageddon.
	You all remember Armageddon the movie?
	Do you remember the alien invasion of Earth?
	Do you remember how shocking it was when we found out they were going to attack us?
	And we, you know, we got no demands.
	They didn't really want anything from us.
	They just wanted us dead.
	Now, Osama Bin Laden may be making some noise about the Palestinians, and he certainly may want us out of Um, Saudi Arabia and other countries.
	But basically, I've kind of come to the conclusion that he just wants us dead.
	That's why there's been no real demands made.
	Uh, I think he's just sort of latching on to the, uh, Palestinian question.
	I think basically he wants us dead.
	And that's why we have not really been getting demands.
	And since he basically wants us dead, then from my point of view, I just basically want him and his ilk dead.
	But I've kind of come to that conclusion, Chris.
	I think he wants us dead.
	Destroyed.
	Kind of like Israel.
	They want Israel destroyed.
	Not to exist anymore.
	And I think that's the way they feel about us.
	He is an avowed extreme fundamentalist of the Islamic religion.
	And according to the most extreme interpretations, the world is divided for people like Osama Bin Laden into two parts.
	One is the House of Islam, where Islam is currently controlling the society and the land.
	And the other is the House of the Sword.
	Which is the area that needs to be conquered by Islam, or destroyed.
	And by that thinking, you know, Israel is land that they need to get capture, but also other parts of the world which they want controlled, including Spain and Russia, and then the whole world.
	They want to see the rise of Islam, and what they've discovered is that they can take down a great power, or attack one with very modest means, Sort of like mosquitoes around a bear or flies around a bear.
	And they're using this technique which they use so well against the Russians in Afghanistan, but now their weapons are growing in sophistication.
	And that's the grave danger that we now face.
	All right, Chris. I have people that want to talk to you and we're short on time.
	So let's do it very quickly, if we could keep our questions short.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Christopher Ruddy. Hello.
	Good evening, Art. Good evening, Chris.
	I had worked at the Trade Center and it's pretty amazing that that building is down
	for those in the country that have never been there.
	But my question, to be quick, is, is there any chance in your mind that
	this is a big ploy, in a sense, by Russia and China that have had close relationships over the last few years?
	Russia's been giving China technology and could this be that maybe we're being set up in some way that there's a lot more to this than just the Something as simple as being someone in Afghanistan with a lot of money that is out to get the United States.
	Good question.
	Chris?
	Yeah, I think I agree with that.
	I don't believe that Osama Bin Laden pulled this off.
	I think at least one nation, possibly several, backed him on this.
	Possibly more than one.
	And those nations in the suspected group are all backed by Russia.
	And so yeah, I would be very concerned that there's part of a larger plan here.
	And interestingly enough, when we talked to Admiral Moore and General Singwell, they were not as concerned with Osama Bin Laden.
	They see him as important again.
	They're concerned about the larger picture, that there could be a war breaking out somewhere else.
	That the United States, in their view, should begin preparing for a larger war.
	And I don't know if that mentality has Has really been brought to the fore in our government.
	Well, I've said to my audience a lot of times, and I'll say it again now, when you take the, and I'm not saying we shouldn't, but when you roll the war dice, you know, anything can happen.
	Anything can happen.
	And it could end up being World War III.
	Nobody should doubt that possibility.
	Well, World War I began with the terrorism of the killing of Archduke Ferdinand.
	Precisely.
	The Austro-Hungarians believe that the Serbs were behind the terrorism and that's what really ignited the war.
	We're going to very great lengths now to try to assure the larger Islamic world that this is not a war against Islam.
	As it becomes protracted and perhaps even more violent, are we going to continue, in your opinion, to be successful in that?
	Well, I don't think we've been so successful.
	I think the Arab world is already, and as much as we have gone to great lengths, and I really don't believe the American people have any anger towards Islam or want to go after the Islamic world, it is already being interpreted by the Arab world as a grave attack on them by us bombing Afghanistan or wanting to bring American troops to fight back.
	And I don't think we're ever going to appease them and Um, Osama Bin Laden's very clever with the PR and I think he has the hearts and minds of a lot of ordinary people in the Arab world.
	Right, just earlier today we told the UN there could be other countries that we will attack.
	Now as we broaden this to other countries, no doubt Islamic countries, it's going to be harder to hold that point of view in the world, isn't it?
	Oh absolutely.
	Even Saddam Hussein, who we despise, you know, he's a hero now in the Arab world.
	He wasn't a hero back ten years ago, but he is now a hero.
	And you would think this evil, diabolical, who we view as sort of like an Adolf Hitler, they sort of admire him.
	And he is probably, there's a story out on the New York Times today that Iraq is going to be the next target, and we've already decided that.
	Now, I had heard several days ago that there was a statement saying we would not attack Iraq.
	No?
	Well, there's been some disagreement within the U.S.
	government.
	There's some real arguments going on, largely pitting Colin Powell against the Defense Department and a gentleman named Wolfowitz, who's the Deputy Defense Secretary.
	And Powell does not want a wider war.
	He does not want to go after Saddam Hussein.
	And Wolfowitz and others want to go against him.
	And there's a good argument on both sides.
	I think the argument that wins is the one that protects America in the long run, and that is that we need to take these guys out before they get the big weapons of mass destruction.
	Well, our psychology, I am told, was to keep Saddam down but not out.
	We were worried about who might replace him, or I don't know what the hell we were worried about keeping Iran in check.
	I don't know, but the psychology used to be keep him down but not out.
	Is that now changing?
	Well, that was certainly the plan or the idea after the end of the Gulf War.
	Let's leave him in there, but let's just keep him flattened.
	Right.
	And he's come back.
	He's very strong now.
	Right.
	Has that now changed?
	Well, I hope it has, but I'm not so sure.
	But I'm very buoyed by the fact that the president has several times said, look, we're going to go after the countries behind this, not just Afghanistan.
	So I don't think he would be saying that.
	Bush is a guy who likes to keep his cards very close to the vest.
	Right.
	That's my understanding of him.
	And I think he's going, you're not going to hear a lot of talk from him.
	He's more a person of action, not a PR person.
	You notice when the men came back from the EP3 from China, he didn't go run to see them.
	That's right.
	When the New York bomb, he doesn't go run up to the press conference.
	On the other hand, he does follow up quietly, methodically.
	And aggressively in other ways, and that's what we may need here.
	Indeed.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Christopher Ruddy.
	Hello.
	Well, I guess that last caller sort of took my question away.
	About the Moscow-Beijing connection, since everybody knows, in reality, that these guys are the puppeteers.
	It almost seems like Islam is just used as their foot soldier, their frontline troops.
	When you look at the EP3 incident, the buzzing of our Kitty Hawk, In this unprecedented strategic military alliances between China and Russia, even as far as it goes with military exercises simulating mock nuclear attacks on our 7th Fleet.
	Now, every white paper I've read from every branch of the service says we're going to
	be in a conflict with either Russia or China or both by the year at least 2005, 2010, or
	2015.
	So, are we farther down the line, are we doing a preemptive thing here?
	Even though our attention is drawn just to Afghanistan, do you think that we know what's coming, and this thing will escalate?
	No one knows what's coming.
	I mean, if we did know the future, we'd all be down at the racetrack.
	But we do know it is important to watch trends.
	And you're right.
	I mean, Russia and China are growing in an alliance that's very fearful.
	And Arts talked about this, and Russia's nuclear weaponry, militarization there that isn't getting reported.
	But one of the things that we should notice is that apparently the group that really doesn't really want any of this happening is the Chinese, because they're benefiting now.
	They're getting so much money and they're growing in so much power.
	Now, who fears that?
	I believe the Russians would rather start a war sooner than later, because if they allow this to continue, China is going to far surpass them very quickly.
	So that's another dynamic that we need to be aware of.
	The nuclear weapons they have.
	Do you think it could get to the point with respect to the pressure, the Chinese pressure, that it would be a use them or lose them kind of deal?
	Well, I don't think the... I think Russia knows it has a great strategic advantage in nuclear weapons now.
	Over the US.
	And tactical... For the moment.
	For the moment, yeah.
	And...
	They're not building a lot of new weapons, but they are still building.
	We're not building any.
	And in fact, we've already embarked on unilateral disarmament of all our tactical weapons.
	And then President Bush called for the disarmament of all our MX missiles, which I disagree with.
	And he wants to do that in an expedited schedule next year.
	And I think that's foolhardy.
	And I think that In the current situation with Russia and China, I think we need to be very careful.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Christopher Ruddy.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	All right.
	Yes.
	Hi, this is Sandman A1A.
	Proceed.
	The CDC has narrowed down a strain of anthrax here, locally, in Lantana, Florida.
	Uh-huh.
	And I was wondering if Chris had any information about it.
	They've narrowed it down to a synthetic strain, which I'm told is produced in a laboratory.
	It's not the naturally occurring kind.
	Oh my, where did you hear that caller?
	I heard that today on a local news station.
	The same station I listen to you guys on.
	Well, I understood they were testing, but I had not heard definitively what the answer was.
	And of course, even if it's a natural strain, it could have still been a natural spore that was grown somewhere.
	Okay, apparently they were saying it's not the natural occurring kind that you would find in the soil or in the dead animals.
	But I have another quick question for you regarding a story that was on Newsmax.com last week, and I wondered if you had heard anything about this.
	There's a plane in the Bahamas that came up Missing a crop dusting plane and it has disappeared and it's still missing.
	They can't find it and I was also on the same station listening to a lady who called in from Tamiami today Over the weekend that said she heard a very a small plane very low flying over her house And she was so concerned about that.
	She called the police The police said we don't have any information about it called the tower and At the Tamiami Airport.
	They're supposed to have a record of all the planes flying in the area.
	So she actually called the tower and they said there's no record of any planes.
	We have no record of any planes.
	And mosquito planes do not fly at that time in the morning.
	So it can't be a mosquito plane flying for a spring for mosquitoes.
	They said call the FBI.
	So she actually called the FBI.
	The FBI told her Uh, we don't have anything to do with that.
	You need to call the airport tower at Miami.
	And she says I did.
	And they said, don't worry about it.
	So what the heck?
	She's wanting to know what the heck flew over my house.
	Well, you know, I'm in here in South Florida, planes fly over and you're apparently there as well.
	I mean, planes fly over all the time.
	They're coming from.
	And of course, I'm more concerned about the Bahamas and this government plane that's missing.
	This was a State Department plane of the crop duster variety.
	So you know about that?
	Oh yeah, well it disappeared after leaving some islands just to the south of the Bahamas en route back to the U.S.
	Right.
	Back here to Florida from Columbia.
	Right.
	And it just went off the route.
	They don't know what happened to it.
	That was Monday, a week ago, today, yesterday.
	And so that's disappeared.
	And then we had those deaths, the death of Bob Stevens on top of that.
	And then, of course, the Bahamas is only 100 miles away.
	And, you know, who's watching the plane activity over there?
	Yeah, it's not something that we're going to easily be able to control.
	Chris, you said earlier that they may have as many as hundreds of sleeper agents in this country or people that they could activate.
	One would imagine that as we began our retaliation, our bombing, and then what's to come, which I guess is a lot, that if they had the capability, they would order something else pretty quick.
	Well, I think they were waiting for our attack because they want to justify in the eyes of the world and their PR campaign that we killed innocent civilians and therefore this is an act of war and now we are responding, they're responding.
	And the whole escalation of the campaign of terror.
	So yeah, you know the FBI's already arrested and detained over 600 people as of yesterday.
	That's a lot of people.
	So that's a lot of people that they know of.
	But I'm sure that the way these cells and networks operated was that everyone, the hijackers of the 11th, may not have known other groups and networks that were working for the same cause.
	And this is why there is a great fear that they may eventually use a more sophisticated weapon.
	I'd be concerned about the food supply, the water supply. We have a story up on Newsmax
	that there was some Arab fellow asking the librarian in Canton, Ohio
	for records about the water supply in Canton, Ohio.
	Really?
	Um, how the piping system, strange she alerted the FBI, uh, sometime after the fact, but apparently it turned out the gentleman, according to news reports, was linked with the terrorists.
	And I mean, they're going into Canton, Ohio to look at the water piping and supplies.
	You've got to wonder what their plans are, um, that it's not always going to be some big center like the World Trade Center.
	Some big target.
	But now we have the American Media Building.
	Who would think that that would be a potential target?
	I've been in that building.
	I wouldn't think it was a target of anything.
	Well, for the Rockies, you're on the air with Christopher Ruddy.
	Hello.
	Hi, Christopher.
	Yes.
	Hello?
	Yes, go ahead, sir.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, I was saying that I don't really think that bin Laden did this.
	I think that he's taken some of the glory.
	Like you said, he's their PR man, but I kind of suspect that the real people behind it was Iraq, Iran, and Hamas, which is very, I think, a lot of people aren't looking at Hamas.
	And if you looked at his interview, the leader of Hamas, right after the attack, he said, I think the United States should rethink the Palestinian question.
	And he had a very smug look on his face.
	Now, there was an article in the Tucson Citizen on Saturday about Mohammed Atta had met with a very high-ranking Iraqi intelligence agent and apparently left his last will and testament with this guy.
	But I'm wondering if anybody's looking at Hamas's connection.
	And then my second thing is that I think, you know, those suitcase nuclear bombs you were talking about, And these sleeper agencies, uh, coming from New York, I would look right around the Brighton Beach area and the Russian neighborhood there because there's a lot of Chechens there.
	Well, the Washington Times?
	And I've known that these guys work with them.
	So what's your thought on this?
	Well, about the nukes, you know, Bill Gertz of the Washington Times, uh, top reporter there, reported that Bin Laden's been having contacts with the Russian mafia and that our intelligence picked up that he was trying to acquire Either suitcase nukes or biochemical weapons from them.
	So that's ominous.
	I mean, it's not just a rumor.
	It's out there.
	It's been published.
	All right.
	I don't know.
	You know, I think the government's made a convincing case that there were a lot of links to Osama bin Laden.
	But I agree with your second point, which was that other countries were involved or could have been involved.
	Chris, are you writing for Newsmax.com?
	I am.
	And also for Newsmax Magazine.
	Which, um, there are some people that can't go online, Art.
	They'd like to get the magazine.
	They can call 1-800-NEWSMAX.
	They can ask for the war briefing with Admiral Mora and General Singlom.
	They get a free subscription to the magazine.
	Okay, what's the number again?
	1-800-NEWSMAX.
	1-800-NEWSMAX.
	Real simple.
	Alright, well, uh, as always, I want to really, really, really thank you for being here tonight, being so straight with us.
	That's why I wanted some straight talk.
	Well, thank you, Art, and it's great to be on with you.
	I have fond memories of being up very late talking about the 1990s, as in, you were one of the few hosts in the country that would touch some of the subjects that I would touch upon, and I appreciate that, and a reason why I think people listen to you and enjoy listening to you.
	Boy, it sure doesn't seem like much, Chris, compared to what's going on now, does it?
	No, it doesn't.
	Strange times.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Okay, thank you.
	We'll have you back soon.
	Take care.
	Take care.
	That's Christopher Ruddy.
	When we come back, we'll go into open lines for an hour.
	I wanted to definitely get some open lines in.
	An awful lot going on in the world.
	Barely time to talk about it all.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	♪♪ All right, once again, uh, back into the night.
	And here we go with open lines.
	Anything you want to talk about, it's absolutely fair game.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes.
	Hi, Art?
	Yes, sir, that would be me.
	Thank you.
	I didn't realize I was on the first caller line, and that's why I asked.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I have two ideas I would like your comments on.
	Number one, let's say hypothetically that there was some kind of a chemical problem like this anthrax, and it occurred in or near a big city like Los Angeles.
	I really don't know, and maybe Chris Ruddy knows or you know or have some information, Will the air currents pick that stuff up and carry it across state?
	Well, Chris Ruddy mentioned, you may not have heard it, but he mentioned that one plan that could be put into effect would be to go to an area where, for example, a cold front is proceeding.
	You've seen weather maps with cold fronts, right?
	Yes.
	A cold front will sweep with pretty high winds ahead of it, and were they to dump it ahead of that, the cold front would just merrily carry it along.
	And dump it as it went.
	So there's all kinds of horrible little scenarios.
	Are there certain areas of the country that are safer than others?
	I wouldn't think so.
	Okay.
	The other idea that I had was, and I'm looking at the thinking that's going on here, and I'm wondering, from listening to the news, my perception or interpretation may be incorrect, but I'm hearing that The terrorists are doing this or they could do that or they could do this and and I'm almost wondering are we taking a Your opinion on are we taking a a tread lightly approach here And should we be more aggressive and be doing some other things to other countries that are being done to us, okay?
	Well listen on the air.
	I I'm gonna repeat what I said a little while ago.
	I I'm slowly.
	It's dawning on me that this is an Armageddon like scenario in Armageddon the aliens landed and and Everybody sort of waited for demands.
	You know, they were killing people and blowing up cities and doing dastardly things to us and no demands.
	They didn't want anything.
	They made no demands.
	They just wanted us dead.
	And despite the noises Bin Laden made about Palestinians and the rest of it, it is my view that they just want us dead.
	Basically, they want us to no longer exist like Israel.
	They want Israel dead.
	They don't want it to exist.
	They pretty much regard us as infidels, don't want us to exist.
	They want us dead.
	And so, from my point of view, I want them dead.
	Whatever it takes, however, we have to do it.
	Do I think we're treading lightly?
	No, I think we're treading wisely at the moment.
	It looks to me like the President's doing a pretty damn good job.
	In preceding the way he is, I don't know how else you would proceed, but at some point, if the attacks on the United States continue and weapons of mass destruction are used, then I don't know that we would have any choice but to identify the likely suspects, as Chris Ruddy suggested, and do to them as they are doing to us.
	I don't know what other choice there would be, and then of course you have a much, much, much wider war.
	But that's really what war is all about.
	You know, there aren't a lot of rules in war.
	There aren't a lot of rules.
	Once it begins and gets out of control, it's what it is.
	It's war.
	It's you dead or them dead.
	So I think it's an Armageddon-like scenario, personally.
	That's just my own personal opinion.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, this is Nancy Lee from Hawaii.
	Hi, Nancy.
	I wanted to ask you, what tomorrow night are you going to ask everybody to pray for?
	And what time is it going to be?
	Because in Hawaii, we're a different time from you all.
	Well, we'll all do it at the same time.
	I know, but... Are you aware that Rush Limbaugh is going deaf?
	Is he going deaf?
	Deaf, yes, deaf.
	Well, a lot of teenagers are from listening to a lot of loud music, but... No, no, that's not it.
	I've been in radio for 35 years doing programs with headphones on.
	I've got a little bit of hearing loss.
	That's not what's happening to him.
	He's going totally deaf on it.
	Well, Greg Bridenden was on your program on a Sunday night, and he says that the best thing for us to do, because Princeton University is doing research on this, that the best thing for us to do is for us all to pray for world, to say thank you for sending us world peace.
	What world peace?
	World peace for the whole planet.
	You mean to pray for world peace?
	Yes.
	Yeah, well that's not a bad idea anyway.
	That's what Greg Bretton did.
	Please call him and ask him about the best way to do this.
	I really... What time?
	See, we're three hours later than you all are in Hawaii, and I want to be a part of this.
	Well, all you have to do is listen, because I will coordinate it for all time zones, alright?
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Alright, thank you, and we'll do it while I'm on the air.
	Rush Limbaugh is going deaf.
	It's horrible.
	He's a colleague of mine and same company.
	We're in the same company.
	And I am still in shock about it.
	He announced it to his audience earlier today.
	Make no mistake, in another month or two, he will be a totally death, unless one of these interventions, a medical or spiritual works.
	And so we're going to try it.
	I haven't done this in a couple of years, but while there's still time, we're going to give it a try.
	Prayer works.
	The concentration of millions of minds on one objective works.
	I think we have recent evidence of that from Princeton University.
	As a matter of fact, that's another show that we've got to get on the air about what's going on at Princeton.
	In the meantime, I'm not going to wait.
	And we will try a mass concentration, or if you wish, prayer, slash prayer, whatever you want to call it, on Rush's behalf.
	So if you haven't heard the news today, he announced to his audience yesterday that he's going deaf.
	He's lost all the hearing in one ear already, and 80% in the second ear, and he cannot hear conversations now, like the one we're having right now, or music, or anything else.
	He's losing his hearing.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Are you gonna speak?
	I hear you breathing.
	Are you there?
	Last chance.
	Sayonara.
	West of the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Good morning.
	That would be me.
	I don't normally have that hissing noise when it switches.
	That's because we have silent switches now.
	Oh, okay.
	So, when I say West of the Rockies and you're called in on West of the Rockies, that means you.
	Got it.
	Prayer works, there's no doubt about it.
	You know, somewhere in our defense thinking over the last almost two decades, we've gotten away from George Washington's counsel in his farewell address that is that the best way to prevent the kind of situation we're in right now is to be prepared for it initially.
	I mean, we have been essentially inviting people to send their students into this country, their nationals into this country.
	Just on more or less open visas, student visas, whatever, not following up on them.
	Prior to that, as you're well aware, over the Cold War period, the Red Block was doing the same thing.
	They were implanting sleepers.
	But whatever else, as your guest was pointing out, this country has been in a phase of unilateral disarmament.
	I imagine that's being rethought right now.
	Well, yeah, it is, but unfortunately we're at a point where the inertia of the thing is not working for us.
	It's fairly obvious.
	warheads on. Unfortunately we are at a point where the inertia of the thing is not working
	for us. It is fairly obvious. The idea that there is an argument in the Defense Department
	right now is that we ought to go after Iraq. Heavens, we had close to half a million men
	in place to protect Saudi Arabia and to lean on Saddam Hussein.
	And right now, the capability except to go to weapons of mass destruction is totally with him.
	Do you feel that, I think I agree with you that the President is doing what he has to
	do, but obviously as your guest pointed out this thing is pretty complicated, the attack
	on the trade towers.
	You have people from many nationalities, the same ethnic group, but many nations that have
	been involved in this, mostly Marxist states, I mean Iraq, you've had people whose brothers,
	whose fathers...
	Alright, alright, alright.
	I think that we are rethinking everything right now and I think that we're rethinking,
	for example, as Chris and I were discussing, our policy always was to keep Saddam Hussein
	down but not out.
	And we had certain political reasons for doing that.
	We had certain real-world reasons for doing that, we thought.
	However, with what's going on now, I'm sure that policy is being revisited.
	And as the UN was warned earlier, there will be other countries that will be attacked.
	In all likelihood, there will be other countries.
	And no doubt, that will include Iraq.
	And if you think for one second that we would go and not finish the job this time, then either we're crazy, if that's the tackle we took, or... And I don't think we are, so I think we would go and finish the job.
	I'm sure all of that is being reconsidered now in Washington.
	On the international line, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello, Art.
	This is David in Copenhagen, Denmark.
	Hi, David.
	How are you?
	And how's Copenhagen?
	Oh, beautiful.
	Beautiful, clear, sunny day today.
	Oh, good.
	Well, what's up?
	Well, I think somebody, nobody's pointed out that our bad image around the world has a lot to do with the U.S.
	Information Agency not doing their job and maybe the news media.
	There should be billboards, newspaper ads, TV ads all across the Arab world showing who Americans really are.
	Muslim children going to school in Virginia?
	Afghani taxi drivers in New York?
	One thing to bear in mind is that with regard to Osama Bin Laden and what he's probably done, if you look at the terrorist acts that he's accomplished so far, he has not shied away from killing Muslims in combination with Americans and other nationalities when it has suited his purpose to do so.
	You know, he's not going out of his way to keep from killing his fellow Muslims.
	That's right.
	But that's not the general impression that the average Muslim has of who he is killing.
	That's true.
	And who America is.
	That's absolutely true.
	And I think it needs to be shown to the rest... I mean, people just think America is white middle-aged men like ourselves.
	Instead of who... You know, America is a huge diversity of people.
	So, in other words, you're really saying that we need to do better PR, and then you're right.
	That's exactly right.
	No, you're exactly right.
	Since you're so far away, I mean, you're in Copenhagen, that's a long ways away, what's the press like there, and what is the press saying there about all of this?
	How are they reacting to the American attacks?
	Basically, all the Scandinavian countries have agreed, have gone along firmly with the U.S.
	policy.
	You get a lot of commentators who are analyzing more of the Arab viewpoint, and pointing out that the reason so many of the Arabs, and especially the Palestinians, hate America is because they see that we have been supporting Israel, and supporting the Israeli occupation of what they consider to be their land.
	And so they spend a lot more time talking, I think, with Arabs when showing their viewpoint on this.
	And I don't know if you've seen lately, right now there's big riots going on in Palestine where the Palestinian police forces are fighting their own people.
	And they've killed a number of people, including a 12-year-old boy.
	This is a Palestinian police force fighting the Palestinian people.
	The demonstrators are walking around with pictures of Osama Bin Laden.
	Yeah, I know.
	Big riots also going on in Pakistan right now, and similar pictures being hefted.
	That's right.
	But the Pakistani riots are a very small minority.
	It's a much larger participation in Palestine.
	Alright, well listen, I really thank you for the call, from all the way over there.
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	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, Art.
	Hello.
	This is Linda from Seattle.
	Hi, Linda.
	Hi.
	You know, so tomorrow you're going to do the Rush Limbaugh and World Peace?
	No, I don't think I said that.
	I'll do one at a time.
	I'm going to do it for Rush tomorrow.
	It sure seems a shame to waste all that goodness, you know, on Rush when you could do world peace right away.
	Mmm.
	Because this is a guy who spent his life...
	I'm not... look, I don't care whether you agree or disagree with Rush. It has really nothing to do with it.
	This has to do with an ongoing health problem.
	This kind of prayer, this kind of concentration has been shown to work in cases of health problems.
	I can appreciate that, but it seems like a real waste of a mass energy.
	Well, now that's your opinion, isn't it?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, that's, you know... And opinions are like belly buttons.
	Everybody's got one.
	Some are crusty, too.
	And you're welcome to yours.
	That's right.
	Crusty belly buttons.
	Well, then I'm calling you so I can give you my opinion.
	Well, you have.
	Thanks.
	Take care.
	Take care.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, Art.
	This is George from Los Angeles.
	Hi, George.
	Yeah, I don't know if you heard this or not, but just a couple hours ago on the AM News report here, there was a report that a man who was sick in Florida with the anthrax had recalled opening a funny letter.
	It was just a white letter card that had Star of David on it.
	No, I know.
	That news started breaking around 11 or midnight.
	It's funny.
	I came on and talked about it with Linda, and I sort of speculated, God, mail room.
	Sounds like something came in the mail.
	And then the news just broke, so I'm not surprised.
	Yeah, and by the way, I was at the Surplus store a couple days ago, unrelated reason, and there were boxes and boxes of gas masks.
	Really?
	And the guy was saying they were expecting to sell out.
	They were pretty pricey, though.
	Yup.
	I'm sure they're selling out everywhere.
	Yeah, they are.
	Alright, take care.
	I'm sure they're selling out everywhere.
	Will there be that kind of attack?
	There may be.
	You know, that's something I think we have to face up to, and I think we can face up to it, and I think that I would like our government to tell us the truth.
	That was the core of a lot of what we talked about with Chris Ruddy.
	I would like to be told the truth.
	I think Americans can handle it, and there might be some quick buying of gas masks, stocking up on antibiotics and so forth and so on, but so what?
	That's not exactly an irrational reaction to what's happening, what's going on right now, is it?
	Preparation is not an irrational reaction at all.
	It's rational.
	And... If I'm angry with our government for anything at all, it's... It's for not telling us the truth.
	For coddling us.
	I just... I don't... I don't like that.
	And, uh... And I think that we're capable of understanding the truth and the threat that we face.
	We understand what war is.
	I understand what war is.
	And I'm sure you do too.
	And what the implications and possibilities are when you roll the word ice, right?
	So, that's one thing that our government could do that I think would inspire some confidence.
	They could tell the people the truth about what they're facing.
	And if the people want to prepare for it, then allow them to prepare for it.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	After all, it may really come to that.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Back into the night, back onto the phones, here we go.
	On the first time caller line, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, Art?
	Yes.
	Um, you were discussing with Chris, really, about this anthrax breakout in Florida, and why they would pick that multimedia building?
	Yeah.
	If I'm not mistaken, there's several tabloids that are out of that building.
	That's correct.
	And all the tabloids are also printed in that building.
	That's correct.
	What better way to disperse anthrax But through magazines that are in every grocery store, every bookstore in the country.
	Well, I think you're jumping a little bit here because... Well, we didn't expect... ...it was received in the mail room from what we can gather.
	We didn't expect two airplanes to go into the World Trade Towers either.
	No, that's right.
	But I think that it's a jump to imagine from something they would receive in their mail room, which would be an attack certainly against them.
	To imagine that it would get in the publications that are being sold is a big leap.
	I understand, but I'm just trying to make sense out of why they would pick this one building.
	And that's the only thing I could conclude.
	Well, what better way, I suppose, to get national publicity than to hit a national media outlet, huh?
	Well, think about it.
	I am.
	That's the only thing I could come up with.
	And it just doesn't make any more sense than that.
	I hate to sound, I hate to be the bringer of doom, but it just makes sense.
	It just does.
	All right, sir.
	Thank you.
	Well, it doesn't make sense to me.
	In other words, to imagine that anthrax would be distributed in publications like that does not make sense.
	And it's a gigantic leap from, they got something in the mail room that people handled.
	Uh, however, what does make sense is that you would attack a media outlet, because what better way to, uh, ensure you get, uh, national publicity, and what is terror all about, right?
	Other than to terrorize, and, uh, you can terrorize by, uh, simply, uh, not doing the big things, like the Trade Center, but doing the smaller things, and having that publicity get out.
	Right?
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	How are you doing this morning?
	Okay, sir.
	Where are you?
	This is North Hollywood, California.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, I'm sorry.
	I can't really participate in this thing for Rush, because it looks like we're just saving this guy's job, and I was just wondering how much he offered you to do this for him.
	How about saving his hearing?
	You know, as far as I'm concerned, you're a dweeb, and so is that other girl who called.
	A total dweeb.
	I don't give a crap whether you agree with him or not.
	This is somebody losing his hearing.
	Yeah, but we like people.
	So don't participate, you know?
	Don't participate.
	Who's asking you to?
	I'm not.
	If you honestly, because you don't like somebody, would say, I don't want to participate because I don't like him or I don't agree with his opinion, so what?
	Right.
	Well, this guy's talking about millions of dollars.
	We're not talking about hearing.
	We're talking about a guy who makes millions of dollars off his career.
	Oh, go to hell.
	You know, I'm not in a mood to hear this crap.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Denise from Chicago.
	Hi, Denise.
	Hi, I just can't believe these people and their calling about Rush Limbaugh.
	I'm not going to take it.
	I can't believe that.
	It's unbelievable.
	It's how people are, you know.
	Minds can get small, but rarely was I aware they could get that small.
	You know, whether you agree or disagree, there's plenty of people in the world that I disagree with.
	As a matter of fact, Frankly, I disagree most times with Rush.
	So what?
	I mean, such an attitude just pisses me off.
	Excuse me.
	Well, now people are just, they're very heartless.
	Yeah, obviously.
	A lot of people that have called you, you can tell that.
	Anyway, I'm calling because I'm really scared about what's going on.
	I don't want to panic.
	I'm not going to go out and buy a gas mask or anything, but I don't know whether I should stock up on water or buy canned goods, put a package together, or what I should do.
	I think that's a good idea.
	I would put a package together and I'd include a comprehensive first aid kit, a way to purify water.
	You know, if you can get your hands on it, uh, some sort of antibiotics.
	Goes against what the government's saying right now, but I mean, these things just seem like plain old common sense to me.
	Some kind of emergency power, information, radio, flashlights, blah blah, you know, the normal stuff.
	Right.
	Uh, get out my Y2K package again.
	Exactly.
	Those who prepared, uh, for Y2K are pretty well set.
	Those who didn't, and scoffed afterwards, are not.
	And now maybe they ought to be thinking about it, you know?
	Right.
	I haven't been able to sleep very well since this whole thing happened.
	I'm just, like, walking around like a zombie.
	According to surveys, you're with the majority of Americans.
	Oh.
	Good.
	Well... Yeah, I'd prepare.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you, and take care.
	Sure, I'd prepare.
	It's just common sense.
	You don't know what's gonna happen, and, uh, none of us knows where this is going.
	And so, some common sense preparations make sense just the way they did for Y2K.
	And maybe, just like with Y2K, you won't have to use them.
	That's something worth praying for.
	Oh, West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, that button.
	Now you're on the air.
	West of the Rockies, hello.
	Yes, is that me?
	That's you.
	Oh, okay.
	Thank you, Art.
	Laverne in Portland.
	Ever since the planes have started flying again, every time I see or hear one, I say, God bless America.
	And if we would all stop and do that, it's a small thing.
	You know, I think God might put a little bit more protection around us.
	Boy, we can sure use it right now, huh?
	We sure can!
	I heard tonight on a program that one lady was saying that God has done this to shake us up, or allowed it to happen to shake us up so that we will be more humble and get down on our knees.
	And so, since it's happened, let's do that.
	Well, I'm in full agreement with you.
	And I thank you for doing that for Rush.
	Bless his heart.
	I wish he'd throw them cigars away and quit eating the steaks, because that's part of it.
	Well, he's done quite well.
	You know, he's lost a lot of weight.
	I don't know whether you've seen him recently, but he's... Oh, I mean, no, I'm just saying that's a health thing.
	I mean, I think it would help his hearing.
	I don't know.
	So, and I love a steak as well as anyone, so.
	So do I. So, but anyway, it's, we weren't, God didn't make us to be meat eaters, although we love it.
	So, well, okay, and God bless you and what you're doing there.
	Thank you.
	And hope the best for you.
	You take care.
	No, I don't think it has anything to do with meat.
	I think it has to do with a disease.
	You know, a rare disease, no doubt.
	And it's a horrible thing to imagine, to lose your hearing.
	To have your hearing completely go.
	And in another 30 or 60 days, probably at the most, his will be gone.
	And he will attempt to continue to do what he is doing.
	The reason that I'm saying that I think this is a good idea in the case of Rush is because I've seen it work before.
	And it is particularly effective, it seems like, in health issues.
	You know, with health issues.
	As you may recall with Daniel Brinkley.
	Particularly effective in that area when there's an ongoing health problem.
	Many, many minds together seem to have the power of many minds, which is more than one.
	And I've never been able to conclusively say in my own mind whether it is prayer, Because prayer is nothing but a mass concentration and an intense concentration on trying to get something good done.
	Or whether it's just the power of the mind.
	And many minds.
	I don't know.
	All I know is it works.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, I'm Eric Bella, correct?
	Yes, that's me.
	Okay, wow, I would have never expected to have gotten through.
	Well, that's how it works.
	That's why we have a first time caller line.
	You are a first time caller?
	Yes, I am.
	Tim from Buffalo.
	Yes, sir.
	I just wanted to see if you heard anything about this suspected third outbreak in Washington.
	All I'll say is this.
	I had a caller a little while ago that didn't stay on the line, and he said, Art, had you heard there was a third outbreak in Virginia?
	Yes.
	And, uh, no sir, I'm just now, between that caller and you, I'm just hearing about it.
	Where did you hear about this?
	Well, um... What did you hear?
	Well, I've only heard it, uh, twice.
	There was breaking news, and, uh, the radio interrupted your program twice.
	The radio interrupted my program?
	Yes.
	It's been doing it pretty often.
	And they're, yeah, I understand, uh, with what's going on.
	And so they're reporting a third outbreak?
	Well, uh, suspected.
	They're, um, pretty much, I...
	I'd say within an hour or two, they'd probably know conclusively.
	But, um, I believe I also heard something on, uh, MSNBC, but, uh, I've slipped back and forth between all the channels, so... I didn't really get to, um, see how that turned out, but, like I said, I just wanted to inform you, and, uh, that's about it.
	Okay, I-I appreciate it, sir.
	I-I've now heard that from two callers, and that's as far as it goes.
	I've heard it from two callers.
	So, uh, here's what I would say to you.
	I would say the apparent method of distribution is by the mail.
	Or at least it would certainly seem that way in Florida.
	Now, based on that, I would say that media outlets around the country should now... What the hell do you do?
	How do you monitor your mail?
	I'm going to give some serious thought to it myself.
	And I imagine others who get mass mailings and, uh, you know, mail from all over the country, as I do, will consider it.
	So, uh, we're all going to have to watch our mail, and I would think that would be an immediate, uh, cautionary note for everybody.
	Uh, wildcard line, you're on the air, hello.
	Hello?
	Yes, turn your radio off, please.
	There you go, good for you.
	Where are you?
	Phoenix.
	Yes, sir.
	Proceed.
	I... am I calling Art?
	I don't know, are you?
	You're the one making the call.
	I want to call Art.
	You do?
	Well?
	You have succeeded!
	You have me!
	Very good!
	Thank you, Art.
	Yes, proceed.
	I don't know how many times I've heard people say, you don't sound right.
	I know.
	Okay, I heard that Prince George County was the site of the third possible... Oh my God, Prince George County?
	I think it was Maryland.
	In Maryland?
	Somewhere around Washington.
	Oh my gosh.
	And the victim was associated with the Sun Newspapers.
	The Sun Newspapers again?
	Yeah.
	America Media.
	Oh my gosh.
	You know, those tabloids aren't very kind to Osama.
	There's pictures all over the front of one I saw in the supermarket last night.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I doubt that's the... I doubt it's retaliation for Osama's picture appearing on there, but one never knows.
	All right, I appreciate the call, sir.
	So now that's three.
	We now have three people saying there may be a third outbreak.
	And again, this man suggested it was a Sun employee.
	My, my, my.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, Art.
	Yes, hello.
	Um, how you doing tonight?
	I'm alright, sir.
	This is Kevin from Wisconsin.
	Yes, Kevin.
	Obviously in a truck.
	Yes, I am.
	Hey, um, I think it's a wonderful thing that you're doing for Mr. Limbaugh there.
	But along with that, can we get your listener to take five minutes for you?
	To fix your back?
	I mean, listening to you at night makes my whole night.
	It's like fine wine and your wife.
	You can't beat it.
	That's very kind.
	I would not.
	I don't think I'll do such a self-serving thing.
	And it's not quite the same as losing your hearing.
	It's true that when my back attacks, that's what I call the back attack, it disables me entirely.
	In other words, it cripples me.
	People don't quite understand.
	They say, well, why don't you go on the air with the bed back?
	You can go on the air with the bed back.
	No, you can't.
	You can't lie down.
	You can't sit down.
	You can't stand.
	People have had this happen to them.
	They understand what it is.
	People who have not have no idea.
	It simply cripples you.
	It turns you into a cripple.
	You can't do anything as a human being.
	Yeah, I know what you mean.
	But I'm asking your listeners to do it for all of us.
	All right.
	Well, that's very kind.
	Thank you very much.
	I appreciate the thought.
	I do.
	But you know what?
	I don't think this kind of self-serving thing works.
	And so...
	So I wouldn't do it.
	I don't even think it works.
	I think that this is something that you just have to do for somebody else.
	At least, that's the way I feel about it.
	So, that's the way it is.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi there.
	I heard... My name's Feather.
	I heard a program on the weekend, or maybe Friday, I believe it was Ted Koppel, and it was Town Meeting.
	Did you happen to catch that?
	Sounds like one I missed.
	He does a lot of them.
	They had experts in the field of the chemical and biological problem and anthrax problem on the program and the experts in the field were saying that there is no anthrax vaccine.
	Well, that will come as a big surprise to our military members who were forced to, in some cases, take it.
	Yes.
	The FDA apparently approved the anthrax vaccine for use for military personnel, first responders, and the medical emergency people.
	Oh, but you mean for the larger populace?
	For us, there is no anthrax vaccine, and they were saying that it was only manufactured in one plant, I believe, up by the Great Lakes, and that it hasn't been manufactured there for quite some time.
	Yeah, so I suppose the best defense for the masses would be the family of antibiotics.
	They were also saying that apparently that only works part of the time and that you have to have the vaccine for the antibiotic to work.
	No, I hadn't heard that.
	I heard antibiotics were effective against it if you'd had exposure and you start right away on a regimen of antibiotics.
	So, you know, I'm not a doctor.
	Yeah, I wish I knew who this person was and I don't.
	But they were very interesting people and if you can somehow get that transcript or something of that program,
	it was very recent.
	There was an awful lot of very scary information on it.
	They were also suggesting that people don't buy gas masks because you have to wear them 24 hours a day.
	You never know when the gas is released.
	And that they wanted people to leave them alone for the first responders so that they could come and rescue us
	after we're already dead.
	But anyway, that was his show and I thought it was very interesting that there is no Antrax vaccine for us.
	Well, it's pretty obvious we're not being told the whole truth.
	Well, I don't think we're being told the truth about much of anything.
	No, I don't either.
	You know, I think we can take it.
	I really think we can take it.
	People understand, and if they don't, they can be made to understand very quickly what war Good night.
	Yeah, this is, uh, hi Art, this is John in Anchorage.
	Hi, John.
	I'm a long-time listener to 650KE&I.
	And they've been a long-time affiliate.
	Have it be done with. Thank you. I agree. Take your night.
	Good night first time caller line. You're on the air. Hello Yeah, this is a hi art. This is John in Anchorage. Hi John
	I'm a longtime listener to 650 K and I and they've been a longtime affiliate
	Yeah, I had some thoughts that I wrote down here on the 14th of
	September I'm wondering... I would prefer you don't read to us.
	Just give us a synopsis of what you feel.
	Okay.
	Well, I wonder if anybody has given any thought to the coincidence of the war about to take place and the facts of the mounting evidence of extraterrestrial life due to people like Stephen Greer, Richard Hoagland, Paul Colbeck, and Whitley Striever.
	Well, I doubt that one necessarily has to do with the other.
	Now, if you believe In extraterrestrial life, you might believe that there might be some sort of intervention, but my feeling about that has always remained the same, and that is God tends to help those who help themselves, and if you're waiting for little green guys or anybody else to save our ass, you better not, because it'll probably get buried if that's what you're waiting for, so I tend not to look at that as a possible solution.
	You know, it's something we've got to do for ourselves right now.
	We are at war.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	Hey, how you doing, bud?
	Okay.
	What's up?
	Yeah, this is Terry from Lincoln.
	Yes, Terry.
	I'm listening via the internet.
	Mm-hmm.
	And concerning an Anzac case in Virginia... Yes.
	That's being reported by AP on Drudge's website.
	Oh, brother.
	So I thought maybe I'd just pass that on.
	That's all I got to say.
	And hey, I wish Rush well, and I wish you well too, bud.
	Thank you.
	All right, and thank you for being on the air.
	Take care, my friend.
	Okay, you too.
	All right, East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Is this Art?
	Yes.
	I saw that nightline the other night.
	You know, you might want to check up on this, but I thought what they said was, if you're exposed to the anthrax, the antibiotics, they don't cure it, but they Buy time?
	They keep it in bay and eventually you need to get the vaccine.
	Yeah, so in other words, it buys time for you.
	Exactly.
	Otherwise, I guess it's pretty deadly pretty quick.
	Yeah, they said after two weeks you really need to get the vaccine is what I think.
	Well, it's interesting.
	We're going to have to find out what we're up against right now.
	If we really have a bunch of cases suddenly breaking out, then it would certainly turn out the attack occurred some time ago.
	Uh, you would never really know when it occurred, uh, except when people began to get sick, right?
	That's... that's right.
	So, hearing about these possible additional cases is kind of worrisome.
	One other thing I wanted to ask you, Art, if I have time, is, uh... Very quickly.
	Are you familiar with Christopher Langan?
	Uh, I know... The genius from Long Island?
	Yeah, I know the name.
	Would you consider having him as a guest?
	I would always... I'd consider about anybody.
	Uh, I appreciate it.
	He'd be real interesting.
	Give me the information on how to contact him.
	Thank you.
	Alright, take care.
	If you want to email me, and I prefer email to snail mail, it's artbell at mindspring.com.
	That's artbell at mindspring.com.
	From the high desert, I am Art Bell.
	Good night.
	Ta-ta.

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