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Oct. 2, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Demonology & Excorcisms - Ralph Sarchie

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, this man is here to talk about.
		As a matter of fact, he's a close with the close confidence of the late Father Melachim Martin.
		He's about to champ it.
		And boy, does he have a lot to say, so he'll be here in the second hour.
		Right now, you cannot get XM radios.
		I don't know if I should really say that.
		There may be a way, but everybody I know is trying like crazy and can't get their hands on one.
		So we're there if you happen to be one of the elite few who has a radio.
		Anyway, we are on XM right now.
		The Bush administration today said that some of the same terrorists involved in the September 11th attacks on New York and Washington also now have been linked to the East Africa Embassy bombings and the attack on the USS calls.
		Matter of fact, the administration has briefed the president of Pakistan, and everybody is saying, including the Brits, that the proof is now proof positive.
		It was Osama bin Laden who did it.
		Proof positive.
		Compelling.
		Impossible to not believe proof.
		I have yet to see it.
		I'm sure most of you have yet to see it, but that is what they're saying.
		President of Pakistan was given a private viewing.
		And by the way, you might want to go to my website if you want to have some warmongering fun.
		You can go to my website, and when you get there, click on what's new.
		And then up at the top, instead of going down, you go up and you'll see it says listener feedback, news and other websites.
		Click on news and other websites.
		And the third item down is Bin Laden Liquors, the game.
		Got a flash for that.
		So you might want to give that a try.
		It's a lot of fun and puts you in the right mood.
		There is a story about some instant messages that were sent to Israel.
		A link I sent to Keith.
		And you might want to read about that.
		Instant messages being regarded by the authorities in Israel as a two-hour warning ahead of time before the attacks on 9-11.
		So there's a lot up there.
		Those two things, number two and number three, you might want to take a look at bin Laden liquors you're going to like.
unidentified		It gives a body a great deal of satisfaction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of bloodthirsty, but it's fun.
		It's a lot of fun.
		I mean, what can you say?
		Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld leaving tonight on a four-nation mission that could, they say, be a prelude to military strikes against terrorists.
		Rumfeld is going to hold talks with leaders in Saudi Arabia, Oman, Egypt, and Uzbekistan, all key members of the president's growing coalition against terrorism.
		So this could be, they're speculating, kind of a final round of, well, here we go, folks.
		Are you with us or again us?
		And meanwhile, the killing goes on in Israel.
		Two Israelis killed in a Gaza attack, yet another in the long string of never-ending attacks there.
		Senate and Justice Department negotiators failed today to reach a final compromise on the administration's anti-terrorism package one day after House leaders announced their package was ready for passage.
		Now, let's see, what else do we know tonight?
		Well, quite a bit, actually.
		I am proceeding really hard with this whole Princeton thing.
		Now, Princeton is using a whole bunch of computers generating random number generators, and they have been looking at world-scale events for some time now, kind of like a Richter scale of the group consciousness out there.
		Maybe you could call it that, a Richter scale of the group consciousness.
		You see, for some reason, these random number generators started becoming much less random at 6 o'clock in the morning before the attack, then right as the attack occurred, big spike, then afterwards it continued to spike.
		Some are considering this proof positive that random number generators are being affected by the larger mass consciousness out there.
		Then I received this really interesting email from a young lady in the Bay Area, Sandra.
		And Sandra has been doing some interesting work, and she's really shocked.
		She's a paramedic for the San Francisco Fire Department, but she has a hobby, and I guess it's speech.
		And what Sandra did was to begin to feed nonsense, basically nonsense, into a random number generator.
		In other words, speech.
		What did she use?
unidentified		She used Sesame Street, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She used a news show on CNN, which talked largely about stem cell research, Chandra Levy and Lizzie Grubman, a bunch of stuff.
		And then submits it to a random number generator.
		This is so interesting in view of Princeton.
		Anyway, what comes out on the other end is coherent speech.
		Things like missiles head for New York City at dusk and many more messages that are pretty bone-chilling.
		Now, why would that come out, be spit out of a random number generator, unless that random number generator were being affected by the group consciousness?
		All this done, by the way, before the attacks on the World Trade Center.
		Pretty doggone, weird stuff.
		Wouldn't you say I certainly would.
		So we're going to follow this.
		And tomorrow night, Richard C. Hoagland may have some more for you, certainly a catch-up report on what's going on at Princeton.
		He's working very hard on it right now.
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, I've got a lot more information here for you of varying sorts, but I think I'm going to hold it and disperse it as the program continues tonight.
		What a fascinating time we're in.
		First time caller line, you would have been on the air.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Dean Collin from Tampa, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dean.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		One thing I'd like to ask you, sir, is what do you think how the role the media has played in far as almost the fear effect?
		Because one thing I noticed, like, even before Y2K, I can remember NBC put out a movie regarding the whole Y2K fear and things like that, and even a plane played in a factor in that.
		And then you see with like current news magazine programs, you almost see where they start going piece by piece what targets in America people to go for.
		And to me, it almost seems like it's an instruction book, and it almost plays into the whole part of it.
		It's hard to actually get back to a normal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, don't worry about the media instructing the terrorists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The terrorists are far ahead of the media.
unidentified		Oh, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'm not worried about that.
		In terms of speculation about targets, well.
		It's inevitable.
		I mean, where do you live?
unidentified		I'm sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do you live?
unidentified		Tampa, right next to MacDill Air Force Base, which is a very ground-based for a lot of action as far as the Middle East part.
unidentified		In fact, it was where the Gulf War actually started to come out of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any of us right now, I think, in medium to large-sized cities have got to consider the possibility.
unidentified		Do you think we're prepared for like that?
unidentified		Because one thing I looked into a couple years ago, as far as even the biological part of it, there's very few hospitals that are actually prepared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think we're prepared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The government is sending people forth to tell everybody that we're prepared, but I don't leave it for a second.
unidentified		One last thing, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The economic stimulus type package that we keep hearing about, one thing we've bailed out the airlines for just a moment with the $15 billion, but the one thing we've seen with the economy, I think not only have we lost so many lives and we've hurt so many people, but yet I think by just allowing this to just for our whole economy and so many people losing their jobs, to me that seems like such a ripple effect that if the government can't do something about that, it almost seems like this will play out.
unidentified		And I think that's one of the more important things we need to do is get our foundation back and then we can put up the walls for shelter instead of dividing us and actually start building that foundation back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right about that.
		Thank you very much.
		Boy, he is dead right about that, too.
		The ripple effect from this is staggering.
		Staggering.
		Forget about the market.
		That's, of course, one indicator.
		But Main Street is the other indicator.
		Right now, the malls in big cities, mom and pop stores in malls in big cities are suffering, may go out of business.
		People, make no mistake about it, have chosen to stay home.
		They're not flying.
		This has been a big shock to them.
		So to that degree, the terrorists, I suppose, have achieved their aim.
		People are a little scared, and can you blame them?
		However, life eventually does go on, and I'm not sure how long it's going to take.
		Certainly, it's taking longer than the authorities want right now for people to get back out and begin doing what they do every day, you know, flying, buying stuff, shopping, doing what people do.
		Well, they're not doing it right now, and they haven't started again yet.
		Much as everybody wants to get back to what they call normal, it's not normal yet.
		But it will be.
		I'm just, it's just not yet.
		I'm watching it very closely, and if you listen to what the authorities are saying, they are scared.
		They're scared that habits have somehow immediately changed, and our base economy is at risk.
		No question about it.
		Maybe soon.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Is this Art?
		Yes.
		Art, this is Dave from Richfield, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dave.
unidentified		I think I'm the one that sent you that Ben Lawton thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think probably a number of people did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean Ben Lawton Liquors?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a number of, it's like a lot of other things.
		Oh, did you happen to see CNN earlier tonight?
		They ran a story on all of the hoaxes and the guy sitting on the supposed observation deck at the World Trade Center with the airplane coming.
		That was one of them.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a number of other internet hoaxes that they think, God, thank you, CNN, just bash them down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So hopefully people will stop sending that out.
unidentified		There was this other one that I sent you.
		It was called The Crock Hunter.
		It was about Ben Lawton, you know, when the Crock Hunter goes out and catches Ben Lawton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen it yet.
		No, I haven't seen it.
		I'll look for it in my email.
		I'm getting so much email, you won't believe it.
unidentified		Okay, that's basically a WAV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A WAV file?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll watch for it.
unidentified		It's hilarious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, and take care.
		This Bin Laden Liquors is great.
		Again, how to get to it?
		You go to artbell.com.
		Watch will crash their website.
		Go to artbell.com.
		In fact, let me check now and see if it's still up.
		When you get there, just click on what's new and go up to news and other websites.
		I think it's the third item down right now.
		It's called Bin Laden Liquors, the game.
		Let me click on it and see if I can get there.
		Yeah, I can get there.
		You've really got to see this.
		It is an absolute war-mongering riot.
		You're going to like it.
		First time call online.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I wanted to talk to Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I just did.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I apologize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you commented just a minute ago with regards to the Fed cutting the interest rate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, another 50 basis points.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I was listening to that today, and they made the comment that the interest rate was down now to 2.5%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's below the rate of inflation.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I have a hard time understanding then why we can't get mortgage rates down that low.
unidentified		What's the scoop there?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Is that really, in fact, the rate of return that our money is hitting in the bank?
unidentified		Or who's pulling the roll over whose eyes here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, the banks will adjust, and some will be a little higher, and some will be a little lower.
		You know, they offer what they want to offer, but pretty much that's it.
		I mean, if you have money and you're depending on living on interest from your money, you're probably in dire straits right now because there isn't much there, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		So it really doesn't affect the general public at large.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		It's just how low the rates are for banks to borrow money from the Fed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, it does affect the general public.
		Now, you're right.
		It doesn't affect mortgage rates very quickly.
		And I don't know what to tell you about that.
		I know mortgage rates remain high and don't fall in sync with what Mr. Greenspan does.
		I can't explain that.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Well, perhaps maybe some of the listeners can comment on that because I'm kind of confused with that as well.
		I mean, they're blasting it all over the radio as well as the TV.
		And like so many other people in this country, I'm an entrepreneur trying to make a living myself, and it doesn't do me a darn bit of good, and I don't know anybody else that does any good.
		I'll listen off the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Interest rates will eventually follow.
		Not right on down to that rate, but they will eventually follow in taking a dip.
		And because they have fallen, more people are buying homes.
		Look at the new home rate and the sales rate for used homes.
		It's, you know, through the roof, which is pretty good.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right.
unidentified		WRKO Radio, Boston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Joe, and I heard your commercial, and they bleeped you out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What commercial?
unidentified		Like the satellite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, did they, really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And I don't think that was your network.
		It wasn't our station because it came in.
		I know where it is.
		The new radio, yeah.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Talk about the terrorism, and I was very disheartened.
		I like the Canadian's approach to it.
		Now they're going to put steel doors so that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The airline said steel bars.
unidentified		Well, steel bars and then reinforcement.
		And the pilot said, well, passengers make it, a bunch of them may get hurt, but rather them get hurt.
		I agree.
		You don't have to run into buildings, but instead of doing that, they all should be trained how to defend themselves.
		And you can have good doors, but I don't think those men should be isolated because my friend that went to the airport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do.
unidentified		My friend went to the airport and he said it looks like a boot camp.
		Ask the Canadians how they deal with it.
		They had a whole thing on CBC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the Canadians ask the Israelis.
unidentified		Yeah, but we don't have to get that way, Artemis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, we do.
		Yes, we do.
		And putting bars on the doors, actually making the door and the bulkhead there bulletproof, seems like a really good idea to me.
		And there's going to be a lot of different messages go out.
		Now, I think that in a lot of cases, they may not recommend, but they're not going to be dissatisfied if the passengers rush the hijackers because there are many more passengers than there are hijackers, usually, right?
		So they're outnumbered, which is one reason, no doubt, the hijackers wanted to keep the number on those four planes low just in case there was something like that.
		Makes sense, right?
		Not save lives, just so that they wouldn't get jumped by too many people.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		Scott, I'm calling from Salt Lake City.
		Right.
		I just had a couple of comments at some of the other calls that were placed earlier.
		One gentleman had questions about the interest rates and how that will kind of affect the average American.
		I work for a large financial company.
		And the interest rates for, I mean, in regard to, let's say, home loans or mortgages, if you have a fixed mortgage, it won't really affect you because your rate's already been locked in.
		You could refinance and get a lower rate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe he was talking about mortgage rates being offered right now as compared to the base rate.
unidentified		Yeah, and I've looked at those too because I'm looking at buying a home myself right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The mortgage rates follow, generally not all the way down, but they follow in dips, you know, after a month or two after the Fed is acted.
unidentified		Yeah, and most companies right now are taking the position that they're kind of holding back to see how consumer confidence or if anything actually swings back into play like outlines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not very much out there right now.
unidentified		No, no, no.
		And then your last caller, I was just listening to the gentleman from Boston.
		I spent a lot of time in the Marine Corps.
		I spent years in the Marine Corps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I'll tell you what.
		You want to hold through the break.
		Just stare right there.
unidentified		Perfect.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell from the high deserts.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		There's something happening here.
		What it is ain't exactly clear.
		There's a man with a gun over there telling me I got to beware.
		But you find without children, watch that sound.
		Everybody look what's going down.
		All right.
		Never coming near what you wanted to say.
		Oh, if you realize He never really was She had a place in his life She never made a place And she rises to her apology
		Everybody else would surely know You're watching my go But who will be?
		Nobody can find the power To reach it away Wanna take a ride?
		Well, call Art Bell from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		First-time callers may rechart at 1-775-727-1222.
		The wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295.
		And to rechart on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Arpell on the Premier Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
		Good morning to you all.
		It's great to be here.
		We're talking about the September 11th tragedy, terrorism, if you will.
		This is not Reuters.
		And a whole lot more.
		So anything you want to talk about is fair again.
		We've got a gentleman waiting.
unidentified		He'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, in CNN's properly debunking some of this internet junk that's been running around, they did refer to the, in fact they showed, the devil in the smoke photograph.
		And there's no debunking to be done because even as CNN pointed out, these were unretouched photographs.
		Now, as I said last night, I'll say again, now, you can imagine that people will see what they will see in anything.
		However, I tell you, test, go test yourself.
		Look at photographs on my website.
		They're unretouched.
		There's no question about it.
		It jumps right out at you.
		There is a face of the devil in that smoke.
		It's not something you have to stare at to see or wonder about.
		It's just there.
		Like that.
		It's there.
		I mean, it hits you right between the eyes.
unidentified		Maybe it was meant to, if you believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, you're back on the air again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for waiting.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
		Yeah, I was just going to continue with my comment.
		I spent a lot of six years in the Marine Corps, and in that time I was in a lot of different places and trained with some other national forces, the Australians, the Canadians, even had some dealings with some Israeli advisors.
		A lot of people in America don't understand the security situations or the protocols that are putting into place in other countries.
		I went to Europe after high school in the early 1990s, and I was just in awe in Frankfurt as to German national police walking through the airport with machine guns and dogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's all over the world.
		It's not just here.
		It's South America, Asia.
		Go to China.
		It looks like a submachine gun manufacturing plant.
unidentified		Yeah, it's everywhere.
		And in American airports, you don't see that.
		And now you have people.
		There's some people that are criticizing saying that, well, we're going to lose a lot of our civil liberties, a lot of our freedoms.
		If we want to play on the international stage, in respect to security with travel and everything, I think everybody should be on the same page.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the other hand, think about this, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever been to Israel?
unidentified		No, I haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have.
		And in Israel, it makes all we've just talked about pale by comparison.
		Every guy and his dog has a submachine gun.
		They all have.
		And they're getting hit with terror almost daily.
		Just a thought.
		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you very much.
		Just a thought, honey.
		All the guns in the world don't seem to be able to prevent it there.
		I don't know.
		You know, I don't really know what the answer to terrorism is.
		I suspect it's what we're about to do.
		Just go pound the crap out of them.
		You know, that's what Israel does, and yet they still suffer it.
		So I don't know.
		Two ways to look at it, I guess.
		First time caller line, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Sim from Buffalo, New York.
unidentified		Visits you on WBEN night, 9.30 a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Sam, how come you sent your quarterback to San Diego?
		That was a dumb thing to do.
unidentified		No comment.
		Hey, Art, I was trying to get a hold of you for, like last week.
		I just couldn't get through.
		I was listening to all the anti-war and all the pacifism that was coming over that you were picking up from the internet and the calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's getting rampant out there.
unidentified		I was just, you know, just sitting here being fright about it.
unidentified		What I wanted to comment about was the lady that answered the phone from the Flight 93, the wife of the gentleman that called there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
unidentified		I just can't get that out of my mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never will.
unidentified		And, you know, I wish these people would just think that, you know, I'm 47.
		I would go off to the service that I had to.
		Or while I'll stay here and defend the country.
		You need to do it.
		They should have the attitude to do it for them.
		And all those thousands and, you know, there's kids left behind and all that.
		Just listening when you were making comments about the people not going to war and all this stuff, we were attacked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The United States was hit.
unidentified		And I just want to get out and just voice my opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To me, it's a complete no-brainer.
		You destroy buildings in New York.
		You kill thousands of Americans.
		You destroy part of the Pentagon.
		You die.
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's that.
		I appreciate your call, sir.
		Thank you.
		You die.
		Whoever did that dies.
		Summary.
		removal from planet with prejudice.
		On to face whoever's next.
		To me, there's no question about it.
		Period.
		A wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight?
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of phone are you on?
unidentified		I'm on a cell phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, with cell phones, there's rarely better.
		There's only different.
		Yes, sir.
		Go right ahead.
unidentified		Well, my first comment was about, I don't know if anybody's brought it up.
		I just got you on, about the pilot safety, and, you know, as far as the cockpit goes.
		Sure.
		I have friends that are commercial pilots, and in their mind, they know when they get in that airplane that if it goes down, they're the first ones to see it hit the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		So their consensus, along with carrying arms, I mean, carrying arms is one thing, but their consensus is make the cockpit a tight, secure area with a vault-type door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I think.
unidentified		Because there's nobody that needs to get in there besides, you know, two-way radio use from the steward or ground crew or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They need a dumb waiter or something for coffee.
unidentified		Well, yeah, that's, you know, a door or something.
		But, I mean, if somebody gets on the airplane with a bomb, that's a different story.
		But, you know, terrorism years ago, you know, when you hijacked an airplane, you just wanted to go someplace for a free ride.
		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's all right now.
		And then, and until recently, you know, the flight crew was always trained to cooperate, to try to get on the ground as quickly as they could, and go, you know, to do what they had to do.
		Now, everything has changed.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Everything.
		I don't know what the answer is, but the last caller said, you know, I flown into Frankfurt myself, too, and my wife went out of Vegas.
		I know I think you used to live over the hump.
		I'm not sure if you're up there or not anymore.
		But my wife went out of Vegas last Friday night down to Florida with two of my daughters, both my daughters.
		And, you know, they stayed, my daughter's, one daughter's two years old, one daughter's eight months.
		And they ran the scanner up and down them and did the thing.
		And everybody stayed in line and everybody was patient.
		Nobody said a word.
		There was nobody that was getting, you know, come on, let's go.
		And it was, you know, it made me feel good to send my whole family on an airplane, which I really wasn't excited about.
		But, you know, she wanted to go down there and there's nothing wrong with it.
		There's nothing wrong with the added security.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand completely, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I think that they should make the cockpit inaccessible, period.
		One reason that the airlines are hurting, I really think if you think about this, you'll know I'm right.
		Where I am would be by air right now impossible to justify.
		In other words, let's say I wanted to get to Los Angeles, all right?
		I would have to take a one-hour trip from where I am to Las Vegas.
		I would then have to wait an hour and a half to two hours, I guess, I am being told, in the airport for security checks and such.
		Then there would be a one-hour flight to Los Angeles, and then, of course, the attendant difficulty in traversing the Los Angeles airport.
		It would be easier to drive.
		It would be as fast to drive and less hectic to drive.
		And so I don't know what's going to happen.
		I guess we're going to have to adjust what we do in America, and we're going to have to get used to the security.
		And maybe the short-haul flights will not be as profitable as they once were.
		Now, certainly for any long-haul flight, if you were going across the country, no contest.
		You would certainly still fly.
		You would have to fly.
		And for many things, you're going to have to fly.
		But for short, relatively short hauls, you know, 350, 400 miles, something like that, do the math.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		How are you doing, Hurt?
		All right.
		I just wanted to comment about the calls you got in, about the anti-war comments and all that.
		And I know you're probably still getting many of them.
		But I was wondering if you'd noticed, at least I did, and I kind of drew this conclusion from last Tuesday's broadcast, that most of the people who were calling in that were against going to war or were, you know, unnerved by it seemed to be of baby boomer generation age.
		Now, I don't want anyone getting upset about this, but it just seemed to me, and I didn't know whether you felt that way and if you did feel that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought that it was a pretty good demographic spread, actually.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, I was wondering if the reason behind that might be because of that they had to go through the Vietnam War and they did have to go see what kind of hassles and problems and tragedies that came out of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you what I noticed about them.
		Not so much any demographic specific city, but rather I noticed that most of them that thought we should not go to war, should not go get these people, also spent at least half their call, or better, documenting why they don't like the United States, documenting why our foreign policy stinks, documenting, they said, you know, why everything that we're doing wrong.
		In other words, it seemed to me that they weren't exactly on our side.
unidentified		So Canadians?
		No, that was wrong.
		No.
		No, I mean, was it just people?
		Do you think that people in America, that America is so down on itself that there are so many people out there that feel that America is such an unjust place?
		How did this happen?
		How did we get it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, people have various axes to grind, sir.
unidentified		For example, people who don't like abortion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Basically, they're saying, well, then we deserved it.
		People who don't like our support of Israel, well, then we deserved it.
		People who don't like some of the fracuss that we've been involved in and some CIA-type operations that we've been involved in, were involved in During the Cold War.
		They don't like that, so we deserve it, and we shouldn't go get them.
		That's what I noticed about the callers.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		My question is really kind of something a little bit different.
		How come, what I want to know is how come they can't, if they can build an ejection to eject the cockpit of space shuttle and save the astronauts, why can't they do the same thing for an airplane?
		For the cabin?
		Well, keep people from being killed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what are you talking about?
unidentified		Like, figure out a...
unidentified		Eject the cabin down with parachutes like they would with the cockpit of spaceship.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think there's been any engineering that would achieve that yet, sir.
		Thank you.
		It is an idea, and it's being used on light planes.
		Light planes, actually, some of them now have parachutes.
		So they get in trouble, they pop the chute, and the plane floats down.
		I'm not sure the parachute idea is functional with an airline of the size of the 737 or better.
		But, you know, I'm not an engineer.
		What do I know?
		Wildcardline, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you and who are you?
unidentified		I'm calling you from Boston, WRKO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boston, of course.
unidentified		Art, I knew Malachi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you knew Malachi?
unidentified		I'm not lying to you.
		I knew him.
		Okay.
		And he said on your show, do you remember what he said?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember a lot of things he said, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you referring to?
unidentified		is pertaining to this.
		He said something is going to be Well, actually, what he said, sir, was something would happen that would have everybody looking up.
		He did.
		Okay, maybe I misheard, but I could have sworn he said something is going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he would use the word scare.
unidentified		Frightened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think he used the word frightened.
		He might have used that.
		He really did say, though, that something would happen that would have everybody looking up.
unidentified		Can I make a suggestion?
		Sure.
		First of all, people who are into the We Deserve It syndrome, it has nothing to do with foreign policy.
		Like you've been saying, these people aren't just out to destroy us.
		They're out to destroy the West.
		It's not all of a stone paranoia.
		Governments around the world are frightened by these people.
		That's the issue.
		The issue is a matter of survival.
		It's not a matter of whether we deserve it on our foreign policy.
		These people are beyond negotiation.
		I would like to make a couple suggestions to you.
		The first thing is, and I know you probably feel very controversial about this, is that there should be some sort of specially researched prayer session on your show one particular evening that possibly could be linked to radio stations throughout the world that would allow everybody to concentrate in a constructive way on prayer.
		And there's that doctor whose name escapes me in Arizona, New Mexico, who you probably know, he's a physician.
		You know who I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I listened and I heard that female officer and I'll never forget that all my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I've heard that, Sergeant.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
		It's just a terrible atrocity.
		I won't even consider this a tragedy.
		It's an atrocity.
		The attacks on innocent civilians and the loss of life is just so great that you can't really understand it.
		When I finally gotten down to ground zero, just the gravity of what I was saying was something that I couldn't really fathom.
		I thought I was in a dream, basically.
		I would walk away and have to go back just to view it again.
		I did that quite a number of times, and it's just a horrible feeling inside that you get when you're standing there and just taking it all in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How is the morale in the police department and the fire department now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess you can speak to the police department at least.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, I could tell you we're working long hours.
		It's starting to subside now.
		When this first happened, we were working pretty much six to seven days a week, 12-hour tours, and then some.
		The cops, they wanted, they were actually fighting with the supervisors to actually get down to ground zero because every single one of them wanted to get in there and help in some manner.
		So they arranged that to let pretty much everybody on the force at this particular time get down to ground zero and do some kind of digging, rescue, to get into the rescue effort.
		Most of us, we are sent down there as a security detail to secure the perimeter to make sure that no one gets in that's not supposed to be there.
		It is one large crime scene, and I've never seen a crime scene that large before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's New York like now?
		Have things begun to resemble anything approaching normal now?
		Or, you know, you can kind of feel a beat of the street and you're on the street all the time.
		So what's it like?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, the work crews down there are doing a fantastic job.
		They're really, really working around the clock.
		Seven days a week.
		We have firemen and police officers coming from all over the country.
		It's pretty amazing to see the Los Angeles County Police Department walk by with their rescue efforts.
		And the one thing that I noticed the most is the outpouring of support and love from the people in New York City.
		They're actually feeding us, clothing us, giving us places to sleep.
		The support is something that I've never seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess in a way that is kind of what I was asking about.
		In other words, you're out on the street on a daily basis when you're working, when you don't have a night off.
		What are people like?
		Do you notice a difference in people since September 11th?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
		It's hard to describe, basically.
		When we would drive by in R ⁇ Ps, let's face it, we're not the most well-liked people out there most of the time.
		But when we drive through the streets, we actually have people waving, telling us that they really appreciate it, you know, that God bless you, the whole nine yards.
		It's really something.
		It's such a change in the climate of the city.
		Very, very provocative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say here at the bottom of the sheet that I've got that you're a devout Catholic.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I first looked at some of the photographs that came from CNN of the impact on the Second World Trade Center, there is unmistakably, you don't have to wonder about it.
		It's an unretouched photograph.
		It shows what appears to be a demonic face in the smoke.
		I don't know whether you've had an opportunity to see that photograph or not yet.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's one chilling photograph.
		It's not something, it's not like a Roche test where you have to sort of look at it and, well, gee, let's see, what do I see here?
		It kind of jumps right out at you, doesn't it?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it your view at all that there could have been some sort of real demonic demonstration there?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, this basically leads us into the types of evil that we have.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		The primary evil, which comes from the devil, and secondary evil is the evil that human beings inflict on one another.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot of people, Sergeant, that think the only kind of evil in the world is the kind that people have within themselves.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're mistaken.
		They're definitely mistaken.
		There is an orchestrator of this evil, and he is known as the devil and Satan.
		And he is very, very real.
		This particular act that has the footprint of the devil on it, but it was carried out by so-called human beings.
		It's something that we have this thing called free will.
		I know that you've touched on this many a times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure have.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		And we are given free reign to exercise that free will, to do either good or evil.
		These particular characters decided that they were going to do evil.
		The devil doesn't have any control over a person's free will, but he can definitely influence it and manipulate it through the physical world as well as internally, through the person's senses.
		And I know that you've discussed these problems with fundamentalists, and I'm sorry to say that pretty much every major religion in the world has had these dark moments where they've actually killed other people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Including Christianity.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, including Christianity.
		But this is not based on the whole of Christianity.
		I would go as far as to say it was a small group.
		But a small group can do a lot of damage if they have the means.
		You bet.
		And that's what we've seen here with the World Trade Center.
		But I'm a firm believer that God does not allow evil to exist without something good coming out of it.
		We may not see it.
		It may be something that takes place somewhere else.
		But in this situation, the World Trade Center is that is the center of the universe right now.
		And everything outside of that is going to be affected by it.
		And I've seen good coming out of this.
		I know that it's an unfortunate situation and it's an atrocity, like I said earlier.
		But I see a lot of people coming together that normally wouldn't be coming together.
		And I'm just hoping that we can continue on this path and we will have a better world for it.
		And that's what I'm praying for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right now, and we were talking about it a little bit last hour, the spiral coming out of all of that is affecting everything.
		It's affecting the economy.
		People are staying home.
		People aren't flying.
		Despite the urgings of everybody concerned, they're kind of keeping the home fires burning right now, and the economy is suffering.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's going to happen with something of this magnitude.
		Hopefully with time, we'll be able to heal and get on.
		But this is a little something that's different.
		We still have a very strong possibility.
		I would say pretty much 100% that there are going to be more attacks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		And we are gearing up for it.
		You know, the FBI is working around the clock.
		The CIA, the police departments are doing all we can for this.
		A lot of cops are out there.
		They're very vigilant.
		They're checking things out.
		And hopefully we can put an end to a lot of these terrorist cells that are out there and at least put a dent in the type of damage that they can cause.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One has to wonder how many are still in this country and probably prepared to act.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the answer to that is probably quite a few and that they will try.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure of it.
		I'm sure of it.
		Unfortunately, I am sure of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But again, even though it was the act of these men who did what they did, still, is it possible that the stamp of real evil behind this somewhere was seen that day?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, with that photograph with the figure, the face on it, you know, I'm of the belief that you can take photographs of smoke and eventually get something out of it.
		You can.
		I'm pretty sure of that.
		I mean, I have one of my cops show me a photograph, and he actually has a demonic face in the smoke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's there, for real.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		And I will be trying to get you those photographs because the cops have taken some tremendous photographs down there.
		When I asked to look at the photographs, I was just looking to see what it looked like on the photograph, you know, what the World Trade Center looked like on the photograph.
		And I wound up getting a different array of spirit energy on these photographs, literally hundreds, which is consistent with the amount of people that perished in those buildings.
		So I am continually, the cops are coming up to me with their photographs now to look at them.
		I guess they all want to get some kind of spirit energy and they're not being disappointed with the stuff that they get.
		And I will get them to you when I get copies so you can put them up on your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what kind of things are they showing you, Sergeant?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, what we were seeing in one particular photograph that stands out in my mind, there was what I consider what I call spirit energy, which is little balls of light.
		And some of them are different, varying degrees of intensity.
		Some are very bright, some are very dark, or you can really, you can't really see them that well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine there's an incredible amount of that kind of energy in that area.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, from what I've seen, like I said, there was hundreds of them in this particular photograph.
		And the officer that took the photograph had stepped over to his left about maybe two or three feet and snapped another photograph within a minute's time.
		And on that photograph, you can only see about three balls of energy.
		He felt that the photograph was ruined.
		And I told him it's not ruined.
		What you have here is you have a very good photograph of spirit energy.
		He thought that they were dust particles, but that's not the case because the other photograph, you can actually see only three of them in there.
		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
		At that point, I was really scrutinizing these photographs, and some of them were just so profound that you didn't even have to look that hard.
		You could see it.
		One of the theories that I've had over the years is that spirit energy only comes out in circles and round balls.
		I always felt that anything octagonal in shape was the lens reflecting the light.
		I started to see other shapes of spirit energy in these photographs.
		Some of them were pretty close to a cross and other types of shapes.
		And that sort of threw my theory right out the window because they were just as profound as the round balls of energy.
		And they were all over the photograph, so it wasn't just one light source.
		And there were actually some photographs that were taken where there was no light at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it your view, Sergeant, that these energies that you have photographs of are the energies of the souls of the departed?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		And what struck me is the different intensities that they were coming out on the film.
		And I attribute that to the spirituality of the person while they were alive.
		The more spiritual they were, the brighter in intensity that spirit energy appeared on the film.
		I would be safe to say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that those constitute what we understand to be the soul of that person and there's a real consciousness contained in that or is it just what's left?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm sure that it is a real consciousness in there.
		That is basically the person themselves.
		We have a physical body, but our soul is really what we are.
		That energy that's showing up on that film is actually these poor souls that perished in the attack.
		There's no doubt in my mind that a lot of them are confused.
		They have no idea what's happened to them, and they're staying there.
		They're hanging around.
unidentified		Eventually, through a lot of prayer, they'll move on.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that they'll move on, but some will linger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Sergeant.
		Hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
		Sergeant Ralph Sarkey, New York City Police Department, is my guest.
		He's been on the force there for 16 years.
		We've got a lot to talk about tonight with somebody who knows an awful lot.
		I'm Mark Bell from the High Desert.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're on a ride, all right.
		Sergeant Ralph Sarchi is with us, New York City Police Department, for 16 years.
		We're talking about all kinds of things you probably wouldn't expect we're going to talk about.
		Stand by.
		All right.
		You were treated to an extra commercial or so then, and that means there'll be less later.
		Sergeant, welcome back.
		you know, those spirits that you were talking about that were photographed, how would you delineate between those spirits of departed and something that might be demonic or evil?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, you would need somebody who has a psychic ability to pretty much decipher that.
		This spirit energy would come out the same, probably more pronounced, more in intensity for a demonic spirit than it would for a human spirit.
		But that would be a tough one to call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You knew Father Malachi Martin, Lee, Father Malachi Martin, I understand, and he was a very good friend of mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had him on the air many times, as I'm sure you know.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder how you met him and what your dealings with him were.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was asked to drive him up to a seminar up in Connecticut.
		I had some friends up there that I worked with.
		And I just got in touch with Father Martin, and we met myself and my partner, Joe Forrester.
		We went down to meet him.
		We built a very good friendship from that first meeting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was that like?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, after reading about him and being involved in the work, that was a super experience.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I have never really met anybody like him that's involved in this work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nor have I. And you were involved in this work prior to meeting him, weren't you?
		Long time.
		Yes.
		How in the world, as a police sergeant, did you get involved in this work?
		And to the degree that you took part in, what, a whole bunch of exorcisms, I understand, about 20?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		20, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		20 more than I have.
		And so take me back, if you will, and tell me how in the world you got involved in this.
		That's dangerous work.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's just as dangerous as being a cop.
		I mean, you know, you take your chances and you put your faith in God that he's going to protect you.
		And that's basically how, you know, I go through life, just putting my faith in God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what Father Malachi said when I asked him about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's roughly what he said.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		That's the way it's supposed to be.
		Unfortunately, the way the world is, not too many people really feel that way, and they're sort of missing something as far as I'm concerned, as far as Father Martin is concerned.
		We have many discussions about faith.
		We didn't only talk about the devil.
		Sometimes I just don't want to talk about him and neither did Father Martin.
		So we would talk about a whole array of other things and faith just happened to be on the top of the list.
		He taught me so much.
		He taught me an awful lot about this work and about my faith.
		Actually, I made quite a few changes as far as how my faith goes now.
		I am basically a traditional Catholic like Father Martin was.
		And I actually worked with a traditional Catholic bishop, Bishop Robert McKenna, out of Monroe, Connecticut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, were all of the exorcisms that you were involved in sanctioned by the Catholic Church?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were all basically done by Bishop McKenna, like I said.
		I've worked on official church cases, but not in an official capacity.
		They wouldn't really come to a layman, you know, basically outside the realm, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The very inner circle.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pretty much.
		It's a matter of trust.
		The Catholic Church doesn't really trust a lot of people outside that inner circle.
		And, you know, whichever way it works, I've gotten a lot of cases from Catholic priests who knew about the work that I was involved in, and I would get a lot of referrals that way.
		But basically, my area of work is with Bishop McKenna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think you were selected to be present at exorcisms?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I built a rapport with Bishop McKenna, and I was there to offer my assistance.
		And, you know, through the people that I work with, it was just the way it went.
		That's where I would bring my cases when I got them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell me about an exorcism?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's different degrees of exorcism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe the one that stays in your mind with the strongest echoes.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		The one that stays in my mind is a very dangerous case for me.
		It was a woman who's been possessed for many, many years.
		And this actually came into my partner, Joe.
		He had met the woman through a priest who performed healing masses.
		And Joe had set up an exorcism with the bishop.
		This was even before I was involved in the work.
		The exorcism was unsuccessful, as every subsequent exorcism that this woman has gone through.
		This is a very, very powerful demon.
		It's what we consider a devil.
		devils are very very powerful uh...
		they get so not not the devil or or or We call them devils because they were very high on the hierarchy of angelic spirits prior to them being cast out of heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what kind of behavior, Sergeant, would lead you to believe that, For example, in this case, and I obviously you're not going to identify her and I don't want you to, but I mean, what kind of behavior would delineate between somebody needing an exorcism and somebody who, you know, perhaps should better be at Bellevue or any number of other answers that would be short of demonic possession?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what we would look for is the signs that are listed in the Roman ritual, speaking in a different language, knowing future or past events that they would have no way of knowing, a complete and utter hatred for anything holy,
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		religious articles, churches, and also levitating, and pretty much other physical acts that are so outside the realm of levitating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said levitating.
		Yes, levitating.
		Have you seen levitation?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you heard of people who have seen it?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm very familiar with cases where there were levitations that were taking place.
		I've been spared that up until this point.
		And to tell you the truth, I hope that I'm spared from that for the rest of my life as long as I'm involved in work.
		It's not something that I want to see.
		My only...
		Well, you know what happens is that a person who's suffering from mental illness, they're pretty much suffering from mental illness, and you could see that.
		A person who is demonically possessed, they'll go through periods of normalcy in their life.
		In other words, they're able to function in a normal fashion to a degree.
		The demonic, they don't possess somebody 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
		There are periods of normalcy in there.
		And it also depends on what's taking place.
		We can have a demonic possession that's progressed from the first stage of diabolical activity, which is infestation.
		We can actually map out what stage we're in by the types of phenomenon that's taken place.
		Usually the person, they know that there is something definitely wrong, something that's not quite normal in their lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A husband, a wife, a family member?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Everybody in the family usually say it.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you were asking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I assume that before it comes to your attention, obviously somebody in the family has called it to the attention of others.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		Yeah, this is something that it will upset the whole entire family.
		But the thing is that demonic, they will attack in different ways.
		We've found that the stages sometimes don't progress in the order that we prescribe them, like the infestation, the oppression, and the actual possession.
		Sometimes stages are skipped.
		Sometimes they progress in two weeks' time.
		Sometimes they'll take ten years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I understand infestation.
		No question about that.
		That's when it gets in you.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, the infestation is basically where you would have your haunted house, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that kind of infestation.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would be your physical environment that's being manipulated at that point to a very small degree.
		It's usually very subtle.
		It starts slowly and then progresses.
		It's usually centered around one particular person.
		That's how the demonic isolate people in the homes and they effectively break down their wills at that point.
		Because here we are back to the free will again.
		The demonic cannot possess somebody if the person can resist at that point.
		They have no control over a person or their soul because that's God-given.
		The soul belongs to God unless that particular person gives permission to the demonic to possess them.
		Then you have a perfect possession.
		Father Malachi Martin told me if you come across somebody who's perfectly possessed, run like hell.
		And coming from him, I know that he's very serious about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, he told me the same thing, Sergeant.
		In fact, he said, I asked him, I said, have you come to be able to recognize the perfectly possessed?
		And he said, oh, yes, I can recognize them as I walk down the streets of New York.
		If I pass one, I know what I've passed.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		He had that ability.
		That was his God-given ability to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then the second stage is what?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		The second stage would be the oppression.
		And it's a two-fold stage now.
		With the oppression, you still have the phenomenon that was happening in the infestation stage, but now it's multiplied.
		The phenomenon becomes increasingly frightening to the family members who pretty much have no clue as to what's going on.
		You know, their life is turned upside down.
		They're living in a hellish nightmare, and they really don't have any way of getting out of it.
		The second part to this stage is the obsession, where the attacks become internalized on what we call the focal person.
		This is the person that the demonic has singled out for possession.
		Now you'll have the weaknesses of that particular person are attacked.
		Their sin becomes even worse.
		Bad habits lead into sin.
		They're starting to get these thoughts, alien thoughts.
		They could even become violent, uncontrollable.
		It starts to rip the family apart because one of the tactics of the demonic is to divide and conquer.
		Where you have a family with no love, it's easier to break down will.
		And they basically have a free reign at that point because there's nothing holding the family together.
		They're dysfunctional at this particular point.
		After that, then you'll have the stage of possession, of full possession, where the demonic spirit actually takes over that focal person, Which would lead into an exorcism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Father Malachi Martin told me that during the last year that he was alive, the number of possessions and demonic possessions in his area, your area, went up by 800%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		800%.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure of it because if you just look at the Archdiocese of New York, we have Father James LeBarr as the official exorcist for this diocese.
		He's also trained four other priests to become exorcists.
		Now, if that doesn't show you that there's a need for it, I don't know what will.
		The Archdiocese of Chicago is just the point that an exorcist within the last few years after not having one for 160 years.
		The Pope had actually performed an exorcism in September of 2000 in St. Peter's Square of a woman that was possessed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Pope did?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		The Pope had actually performed an exorcism, yes, an impromptu exorcism at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've even heard there was a story going around that even Mother Teresa had undergone an exorcism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It seemed too incredible to even discuss, but I heard that it had happened.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, that wasn't explained properly.
		It is very possible that Mother Teresa had gone through an exorcism, but not for the reason that we would think.
		She was not possessed.
		Throughout the lives of these saints, like St. John Vianni, Curie of Oz, and Brother Peter Bastow, they were assaulted by the demonic.
		They would have infestation taking place within their cells at night.
		Padre Pio was another saintly man who was attacked by the devil physically.
		The way I see it is that Mother Teresa was having this type of phenomenon taking place.
		It would be considered an oppression.
		And an exorcism can be performed on a person who is obsessed.
		It would be the minor form of exorcism, which is the Pope Lee the 13th prayer, or the Roman ritual could be used.
		Either one, it depends on the priest performing the exorcism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in effect she was under attack.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what it was.
		She was under attack.
		She was not possessed.
		That I can assure you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there ever any stage of possession when it is too late, when an exorcism will not work?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, perfect possession is one example of that.
		And there are particular cases that, like we started to discuss that earlier, with the woman, it seems that there are certain cases that no matter how many times they're exorcised, how many priests are used, it just doesn't seem to happen.
		There could be so many different variables when it comes to that.
		The person themselves can somehow hold a demonic spirit in and not want the exorcism to basically succeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, I don't think that most people understand that's possible.
		Most people thought that exorcism would drive out the very worst case no matter what.
		The answer to that is not true.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, unfortunately, it's not true.
		We have different types of demonic spirits like I was discussing, leading from very low-level demonic spirits, which we would call familiars, to devils.
		Not the devil himself, but a demonic spirit that's very, very powerful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would it be proper to say of the devil?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know of too many cases where the devil himself would actually possess somebody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but of the devil, in some manner of the devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not directly of the devil.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly one of his pals.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, sure.
		Well, that's where they come from.
		He's the boss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's the boss, right?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Do what he says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Sergeant.
unidentified		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Relax.
		You've got about a 10-minute break.
		We'll do the news, take care of a little bit of business, and be right back.
		Sergeant Ralph Sargent of the New York City Police Department, 16 years with the New York City Police Department, is my guest.
		He was a confidant of Father Malachi Martin.
		And we'll be back with more in a few moments.
		Go ahead with this lady, the one that you were telling us about.
		As much as I can understand it, I really would like to know exactly, really, what does go on at an exorcism?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, with this particular cafe, like I said, she undergone many exorcisms.
		And she had contacted my partner, Joe, and asked if Bishop McKenna would work with her again.
		So we decided to set up a three-day exorcism for her.
		Three-day?
		It was going to go over a three-day period.
		We were going to end the exorcism on the triumph of the cross.
		It's a holy day in the Catholic Church.
		Well, we had gone through the three days, and there really wasn't a lot of violence going on with this particular demon, although it could definitely have attacked in that manner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it constant?
		I mean, during the three days, is that a 24-hour day operation?
		Are you by her all the time?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, we would go for as long as the bishop deemed necessary, and then we would stop or take breaks during the exorcism.
		But this was over a three-day period with breaks in between.
		Meaning, we didn't go on a full 24 hours.
		There's no way we could do that.
		The attacks were more mental in the mental realm Than a physical attack.
		There are areas that demonic will attack during an exorcism, and that could be emotionally, mentally, and spiritually.
		And of course, physically.
		This particular demon was a very powerful demon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does a demon try to break your faith, your spirit?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, that's where one of the attacks you come.
		If it's spiritual, you'll start to think about, you'll start to doubt your faith.
		And this is a very, very dangerous area for the exorcist to go through.
		If he starts to doubt his faith, he could wind up basically losing his life, if not becoming possessed himself.
		So the exorcist himself has to be of unwavering faith.
		And nothing can enter into his thoughts during the time of the exorcism, except he must keep his eyes, his mind on God, read the Roman ritual, and ask certain questions that have to be asked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, sir, the exorcist, if he begins to doubt his own faith, he begins to then exhibit the same weaknesses that allowed the possession to occur in the person they're trying to exercise, and that's the danger, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could jump.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, that could be very possible.
		A transient possession could take place, meaning that it's not a full possession, but he can be possessed for a short period of time, or it can be a full possession where he actually is taken over fully.
		The exorcist has to keep his mind on God, and he has to dismiss that type of an attack immediately.
		That would be the class stage that Father Martin talks about, where it's an actual battle between the exorcist and the demon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen that?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, a lot of times the stages, they don't present themselves as clearly to everybody in the room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you were saying that, and that it might not even occur in the prescribed stages.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, it can.
		All the stages can come at once, as Father Martin had told my partner, Joe, is that all of these stages during the exorcism could come at once, or they could come in different order.
		The demonic are not bound by anything but God, and if he allows it to happen, then you can rest assured that they are going to do it.
		But this particular exorcism, like I said, it took a total of three days, and it wasn't successful.
		Some of the things that I seen at that exorcism, I will never forget.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you talk about it?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, there was one particular, it was the last day of the exorcism, and I brought a relic of the true cross with me.
		We actually had three relics of the true cross in that church.
		And we decided to do that because it was the triumph of the cross.
		Like I said, it was a day that we celebrate the cross in the Catholic faith.
		And I was behind the woman, and I had placed the relic right next to the right side of her temple.
		And I can see the demon basically was in control of this person at this point.
		It would not allow her to turn her head and look directly at the cross, but I could see this extremely hateful and murderous look that this demon was given the relic of the true cross.
		And that's something that I'll never forget.
		I mean, I've seen people in all stages of emotions out there on the street.
		I've seen people that would just sooner stab you than look at you.
		I've seen people that were mentally deranged.
		And I have seen people that were completely and utterly devastated from the loss of a loved one.
		And I have never seen a look in their eyes the way this look was.
		They say that the eyes are the window of the soul.
		Well, I could tell you I was looking at pure evil at that particular moment.
		It's pretty unnerving when you have a woman speaking in a deep guttural voice that is not her own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very unnerving.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		It is very unnerving, but basically you're there to do a job, and that's the way we look at it.
		We're there to protect the bishop from coming under harm.
		We're there to protect the person who's being exercised from coming under harm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, your job then, at least to some degree, was protection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that they depended on you for, if it was needed, real physical protection.
unidentified		Well, the assistant is...
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		A layman, a layperson, should never take the role of exorcist when it comes to a public exorcism or a solemn exorcism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can tell you, when I had Father Martin on, people used to call who had done exorcisms, and he would always warn them that there was great danger, and I guess there is great danger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've described some of it.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		You have to be a very holy and pious person to undertake the role of exorcism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, don't try this at home.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, don't.
		I would not suggest it.
		The Catholic Church does not suggest it.
		That would be really playing with fire, and you could get burnt very, very badly.
		Basically what happens is if the exorcism is not successful, there is a certain amount of backlash that you're going to receive.
		And in this particular case, I received enough of it for a lifetime.
		For every year after that exorcism, in September, I've had major problems in my life.
		And it's just something that I never even thought about.
		It would actually take My partner Joe to tell me, hey, Ralph, you know, it's September.
		Do you remember?
		And then I would say, oh, you know, you're right.
		And I wasn't vigilant enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, you think this is still affecting your life now?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Without a doubt.
		And it's also the other exorcisms that I've been involved in and the other cases.
		It's not only exorcisms that can affect you.
		I mean, you could go into a case of infestation or oppression and get affected in that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yourself?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, definitely.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		My whole entire family has come under attack at one time or another because of my involvement in the work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do they feel about that?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, my wife knows that this is something that I feel very strongly about, and she supports me 100%.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		She's not really too happy when she sees what you would consider the shadow people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The shadow people?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, she's not too happy.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		My daughters, they're quite young, but they remember seeing some things in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, since you brought it up, as you probably know, that came out of nowhere.
		One person sending me an email, which I happened to read on the air, and then I got thousands upon thousands of people saying they have seen these beings, whatever they are.
		People have seen them.
		I even got photographs, Sergeant, one of an obviously evil entity on top of a young boy.
		That was really troubling.
		You have something to say about these so-called shadow people?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, I believe that the shadow people are predominantly demonic spirits in nature.
		They're diabolical in nature.
		But you will have, I'm sure, human spirits that are manifesting themselves in that way.
		You usually see them from your peripheral vision.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		When you take a look head-on, it's no longer there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		This particular shadow that we were seeing, you could see head-on.
		And it was rather large.
		It was about eight feet tall.
		My wife had seen it first.
		I had seen it soon after that.
		And then it reappeared once again in my home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I began to get these thousands of responses, Sergeant, many of them said, at first I saw them in my peripheral vision, but for some time now I've been seeing them head-on.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that doesn't surprise you?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
		It wants to be seen.
		If you're seeing it head-on, it wants to be seen.
		It wants to, you know, get some kind of a response from you, usually see it.
		It's not really nice if you would get up in the middle of the night to go get a drink of water and see a black shape that's blacker than the night.
		You cannot mistake it.
		It's there.
		You can see it.
		And you can actually feel that your body responds to it.
		But like I said, it could be also a human spirit.
		That's the way it chose to manifest itself.
		And it could actually be somebody astral projecting themselves to your area also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That has been suggested by just about everybody, that it might be, might be, might be this and that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose it could be those things.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but what I found is that it's very consistent with cases of infestation and oppression that these spirits would be seen.
		But not only that, I've had cases where people were telling me about these grotesque beings that would actually manifest in front of them.
		And they were all different types of shapes and sizes, but there was one thing that was consistent with every single one of them.
		And that was the feeling of hatred that they got from this particular manifestation.
		It was so overpowering that they would recoil from that hatred.
		And that's what the demonic is all about, is that hatred, because they hate humanity.
		They want to destroy us because we are all made in the image of God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it worth asking, Sergeant, if there's an 800% increase in exorcisms, and we must assume there is an increase in evil presence or possession on earth right now, not just New York, but probably right across the face of the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is there so much more evil here now?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's that time, that point in history that we are all waiting for.
		I don't want to go into saying that the end times are near.
		I wouldn't be as fanatical as that.
		But I definitely see a breakdown in society, in the morals that we have, in the way we go about conducting business, the spirituality of people.
		I do see a rise in spirituality, though.
		There is, yes.
		And that's what I mentioned earlier in the beginning of the program, is that God will never allow evil to flourish without something good coming from it.
		And I believe in that so strongly that, you know, I can actually see that.
		There are people that are hungry for spirituality.
		And the problem is a lot of people just don't know where to start.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, church attendance is up.
		Programs like mine that deal a great deal with spirituality are being listened to.
		You're right.
		I mean, there is more spiritual behavior out there.
		There's no question about it.
		But it's going on at the same time the increase in evil is.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you have an increase in spirituality, you'll have an increase in evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a result?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, is this like, you know, it's a war and we're the pawns?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, basically, yeah.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		It's the way it works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Basically, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, basically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Most Americans are used to about the only thing they know about exorcisms would be the movie The Exorcist, right?
		That's about all they know.
		It's not quite like that, is it?
		Or is it?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't believe that there's a person on the face of the earth that can go through that type of phenomenon in one exorcism, in one sitting.
		That's just Hollywood hype.
		A lot of the things that took place during the movie, the levitations, the actual change in features, the vomiting, maybe not to that degree, but the original exorcist case, instead of the vomit,
		it was spit that this particular 12-year-old boy, he had a dead Marsman eye to hit you in the face with his spit from across the room.
		And that's where that came from.
		The change in voice, that's all consistent with what exism is all about.
		As far as a head spinning around, I really don't believe that that would happen.
		At least I hope not, because I don't think I would ever be the same after seeing something like that.
		Probably not.
		But, you know, you have to realize that we are human beings that are involved in this, and God will not allow certain things to happen because of our, you know, how fragile we really are.
		And I believe he protects us from a lot of the things.
		In fact, I know he protects us from a lot of the things that the demonic would love to do to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever, during the course of an exorcism, begun to feel yourself fail in any way?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, probably one of the most profound things that happened to me at an exorcism was these frightening visions that pop into your mind.
		Things that I wouldn't even want to discuss.
		You know, I wrote about a lot of these things in the book.
		I wouldn't go into them because I really just don't want to relive that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Your book.
		It's called Beware of the Night.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Beware the Night, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beware of the Night.
		And of course, as always, it's available, I think, folks, on amazon.com.
		I presume it is, right?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Sergeant, so people can go to my website, article.com.
		Just go to tonight's guest info.
		It'll take you over there for the book, Beware the Night, which is, I guess, a detailed account of some of these things you went through, Sergeant?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		I've gone into specific cases that I thought was consistent with the point that I wanted to bring about about demonic and how they, you know, how they work in our lives.
		So it's not just a book of cases.
		It's a book of where I go into explaining exactly what's going on in the case and why it's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sergeant, you're on the street a lot, right?
		You're on patrol, I take it?
		Yes.
		On the street, have there been times when you and your partner have run into something that was just not a crime, but was demonic itself?
		Where you looked at each other and you both knew what was going on?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't.
		I really haven't.
		I can't say that I did.
		A lot of times, evil does not want to have any light shed on it.
		And they would very well know what I'm involved in.
		And they wouldn't want any chance of me getting involved in actually setting something up for an exorcism and things of that nature.
		What I run mostly into, and it's sort of ironic, is disproving that somebody is possessed.
		I would get a lot of, you know, if I would go to a job, somebody would say, you know, I'm the devil and all that stuff.
		And I would basically just tell them, shut up and sit down, and that would be the end of it.
		But I run more into that.
		You know, I would have people say to me, you know, this person is possessed, and I would look into it right there on the scene.
		And I would see no signs of possession.
		I would see signs of a mental illness or, you know, drug use or alcoholism, things of that nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just straight out criminal behavior.
		There are some crimes, though, and I know police don't run into these every day like they do on television, but there are some crimes that are so horrible, so horrible, some of them without apparent motive, where people are just killing to kill, that, you know, the average person sits down there and watches the news and wonders, God, that just plain seems evil.
		Why else to have done it?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what it is.
		It's that secondary evil because, like I said before, the devil hates humanity so much, and any way that he can get to destroy a person, he will take.
		And if that is working through somebody, you know, working through a human being, they're exercising that free will to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		By the way, your compatriots, Brooklyn South 67 Precinct, are all listening to you right now.
		They say hi.
		So I guess that's going on across the city this morning, New York City.
		I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Sergeant Ralph Sarty from the New York Police Department, New York City Police Department.
		And we'll do another half hour.
		Then we'll do some open lines.
		If the sergeant can stay with us, and I think he probably can.
		So you stay there, too.
unidentified		I hear the clouds echoing tonight.
		is only with friends of some quiet conversation.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Oh, my God.
		When you try to have everything, you're trying, you're trying.
		I'm running down.
		I know the earth didn't see me happy.
		We will make me happy.
		You're crying.
		You're crying.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beware the Night.
		Has a title I like and I can get into, Beware the Night.
		That's the title of the Sergeant's book.
		And if you'd like to look into it, go to my website, simpleartbell.com.
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		Click on tonight's guest information.
		You will see the sergeant's name.
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		Good late night reading, I reflect.
		Is it possible to be possessed without knowing?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, usually what happens is they'll know something is wrong.
		There is something alien.
		A lot of people don't understand what's happening to them though.
		Especially when they're attacked through the intellect.
		There are demons that will attack through intellect.
		There are other demons that I call the brutes.
		They just attack through brute force.
		They just possess somebody.
		It's plain and simple, just like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In cases, Sergeant, where the exorcism is successful and whatever it was that was in there is now out, where is it?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's binded, and it's commanded to leave, in the name of Jesus Christ, to wherever Jesus sends it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Binded?
		That's very interesting.
		You would use the word binded.
		You know, people who practice the craft use the same word.
		They bind things.
unidentified		Yes.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, they bind things so it doesn't affect them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, they might bind somebody as safe from something or themselves as safe from some sort of retribution or something.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, basically, what we're trying to do during the Roman ritual or the Exodus is trying to do is it's basically commanded in the name of Jesus Christ to be silent.
		The whole Roman ritual is a command.
		It's one big giant command.
		You can't appease to the demonic to please leave.
		They have to be forced.
		And it's through command.
		And that is basically the only time in a priest's life that he should feel contempt for anything that is against the demonic.
		There has to be a great feeling of contempt for what these demonic spirits are doing.
		But then again, there is a trap in that.
		If they feel too much contempt, the demonic can use it against them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Carol in Madison, Wisconsin asks the following.
		A hard question, too, about New York.
		Where is God now?
		In everyone who has donated blood and so forth in this time of crisis?
		Is that where we are to see God now?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		God is everywhere, and he will remain everywhere.
		And just because the devil tries to cause us to turn away from God doesn't mean that we should accept his invitation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think of parapsychologists, I have many of them on this program, who investigate hauntings from a scientific point of view using camels and other equipment instead of the equipment used by an exorcist, you know, the holy water relics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said you used relics, that sort of thing.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's your take on that?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, they don't approach it from a religious point of view.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		That's number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		And number two is what they're basically going to do is they're going to go into a home and they're going to take readings with gauss meters and thermometers and infrared film.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		And they'll measure the atmosphere and then they're going to turn around, they're going to leave.
		And the family is still going to have their problem.
		When I go into a home, my main concern is not to get images on film, recordings, EVP, none of that.
		My concern is to try to get the thing out of the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But do you understand why people want to do that?
		I mean, for many people out there of no doubt less faith than yourself, we want to be sure, we want to know that these things are true.
		And the only way we know to measure that is with science.
		And when we can measure it with science, it probably increases our faith that these things are real.
		I mean, I do understand why they go out and do it, and I do understand why I crave that kind of evidence to put on the air here.
		Because I want people to understand this is real.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I understand that, but I have really never met a parapsychologist who believes in demonic spirits.
		I would get, you know, basically what they would say is it's electromagnetic energy and it's underground streams and that's causing the phenomenon.
		I think that's a bunch of hogwash, but it doesn't fit into their scientific point of view.
		So they're not really equipped to deal with it.
		And that's one of the things that I discuss in the book is, you know, to let people know that this stuff does exist.
		And if you're actually out there investigating cases of haunted houses, you're going to run into the demonic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		The only thing that saves you, basically, is that you are no longer a threat to the demonic if you're going to look at it from a scientific point of view.
		The danger comes in is when you become a threat.
		They would want to eliminate you, but it's God's protection that keeps us safe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, from my point of view, I wish I had the faith you have and many others have and are very comfortable within, and I know it comforts you.
		I wish I had that.
		I believe in God, but I'm the kind of guy who just has to put his hand on something to really believe it.
		And therefore, I hope the science continues.
		You've got to admit, Sergeant, that if science was able to conclusively prove an afterlife that we survived this life somehow or another, our consciousness survives, Then many things would change, probably for the better.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I would say that you're correct in that matter.
		But see, God doesn't want us to come to him like that.
		I know.
unidentified		To have proof, proof without a doubt.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Basically, you're letting that proof that you're seeing take over your free will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		In order to have faith, he wants you to exercise that free will and to have an unconditional love for him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess there were absolute proof, then faith would be not needed.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		There would be no need.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or you could argue that if there were absolute proof, a lot of people would get faith.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very quickly.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		But you know what?
		I also find that people that are under the attack of the demonic get faith very quickly.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you delineate?
		You know, when you are asked to attend an exorcism, I suppose by then it's an absolute case of possession and they have determined that before you're there.
		But you did say there were people who fake it.
		And how do you determine that?
		In other words, if they're sitting there faking a voice or faking the ability to speak some language that you don't recognize or generally faking, how do you know?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, you would go by the phenomenon that was taking place.
		That would be number one.
		You know, you would do, well, I know I do an interview.
		And being a police officer for the amount of years, I'm coming up on 18 years actually, you know, I sort of learned how to interview people and bring the truth out of them.
		My partner, Joe, works for legal aid.
		He's a polygraph examiner.
		He's another person that basically does interviews for a living.
		But we have our little things that we do.
		And obviously I can't tell you over the air because then everybody's going to know what I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		When I look into these cases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it like interviewing some perp, sitting in a room and interviewing the perp and trying to get to the truth of what happened?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't say that it is that type of atmosphere.
		It would be more of an interview, and I would just let the person talk to me and tell me exactly what's going on in their life.
		And while this is happening, I'm able to look at the person and see through gesture and how they relate to me and what they're relating to me.
		Then I could pretty much make my determination.
		I work with psychics.
		I pray a lot on the matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You work with psychics?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that surprises me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After what we just talked about with regard to parapsychologists in general, you work with psychics.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, usually these psychics have a religious background.
		For a number of years, I was working with Brother Andrew, who was in religious life.
		He had an extremely powerful gift.
		His abilities were very, very powerful.
		And they were centered around God.
		And there are other psychics that I work with that have a religious tone to what they do.
		I really don't work with every psychic that I meet because I have to trust their judgment.
		And until they could prove to me that they do have a gift and it is coming from God, I wouldn't be so quick to listen to what they have to say.
		But I do a lot of praying on the matter.
		And I'm just guided by what I feel and my intuition.
		And like I said, we have certain signs and the phenomenon has taken place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me throw a tough one at you.
		Mary in Des Moines, Iowa is asking on the computer.
		Please ask how Father Martin died.
		Was there an investigation?
		We heard a lot of rumors, Sergeant, about Father's death.
		Of course, there are a lot of rumors around, I suppose, any famous person's death.
		But there was a rumor out there that he was pushed.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, this isn't the first time.
		And I did have a long discussion with Father Martin about the time that he was actually picked up and flipped over.
		And he related to me that he actually saw the devil on his way down.
		And I believe he sustained a broken collarbone and a slight concussion in that attack.
		But I do not doubt at all that the devil had a hand in his demise.
		Somehow, some way, the devil was able to get at him.
		I won't really blame the devil for his death, but I feel that maybe some circumstances, you know, it would be the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So at one point he was pushed.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, well, he was more than pushed.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		He was actually lifted up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, I had not heard this for sure previously.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		He was flipped over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was flipped over.
		Well, you see, I remember very well because I spoke with him myself, and I spoke with others who were taking care of him.
		And there was an odd kind of situation with those who were taking care of him.
		They were exceptionally protective of him.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very protective of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that time when he was flipped really began the slide downward health-wise for Father Martin, I would say, wouldn't you?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Well, he was up there in years, you know, in age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was, yes.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		And there's only so much that a man can take, knowing that he was involved for so many years with exorcisms and investigating the demonic, that will take a toll on you.
		There is no doubt about it.
		And the way I see it, He was in the field a little bit too long.
		But it was because of his faith and his love for God that he was able to last as long as he did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he would not quit.
unidentified		No, no, he would never quit.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I believe that Father Martin was called to his final reward, and he deserved it.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		And he deserved to finally meet face to face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there any official investigation, Sergeant, of his death?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Not that I'm aware of, no.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Not that I'm aware of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So these rumors are more than rumors?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say so.
		You know, there is no sense in investigating it as far as I'm concerned because the devil plays such a strong game that he would intervene anyway, and we would never get the truth.
		He would never allow the truth to come out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was just absolutely an amazing man.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he was.
		And, you know, the family that was very protective of him, they adopted him.
		Basically, they adopted him.
		There are a lot of rumors going around that, you know, he had left the Jesuit order because of some woman.
		That was all a bunch of hogwash.
		That was not the case.
		This is just a ploy to smear his good name, which is consistent with somebody who's doing good in this world, the way I see it.
		And there's absolutely no reality to that rumor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Bob in Los Angeles asks a pretty good question.
		Why would anyone purposely invite the demonic in for a perfect possession?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		That is a good question.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		The only way I can answer that is that people, they crave power, they crave money, it may satisfy someone's ego, and they want to be able to manipulate the world around them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the part of this, Sergeant, that never made sense to me and doesn't now is that if somebody believed strongly enough in an evil force that could let us say, give us these short-term material gains, gains on the job, gains in love, in whatever area of life you wanted these gains, in trade for their immortal soul, if they believed that strongly that it could be done, then they would have to believe in the rest of it too and understand exactly what they were doing.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say that their desire for the earthly goods that they're getting will outweigh what they're going to go through when they finally meet the devil head-on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's so hard to believe because, again, to imagine that they could be given all that in this life, you've then got to, by extension, imagine that they know there's a God and what it is they're trading away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's but of course, people end their lives with their own hand, and so I guess people do all kinds of things, and it's just hard to imagine.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, you yourself had a guest on.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember her name, but she was a witch, and the things that she was saying, I know for a fact she's perfectly possessed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You remember her?
unidentified		I remember her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Harlotte was her name.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's it.
		I was working that night, and I was sitting in an R ⁇ P with my driver, and I think my driver just wanted to crawl underneath the front seat of the car to get away from what he was hearing.
		The things that she was saying are very consistent with what the demonic are all about.
		She was so full of hate that it actually consumed her.
unidentified		She was so full of hate for God that she didn't care what would happen to her, her own soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		It still scares me to remember that.
		And the scariest and the worst part of it all was right toward the end of the interview, I'm sure you may remember, I asked her about her son.
		I was just flabbergasted, and I said, what about your son?
		And she said, well, he'll be with me.
		He'll be in hell with me.
		And I said, you can't do that to his soul.
		And she said, oh, yes, I can.
		I've given his soul to the devil.
		And that's, you know, not long after that, I interviewed Father Martin.
		And I said, could a mother give her son's soul to the devil?
		And to my everlasting surprise, he said, yes.
		And I just don't understand that, how that can be done, how somebody can give away their own child's soul to the devil without that child accepting it.
		How could that be done?
		Do you understand that?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do understand that.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		And I do have a little trouble with that as far as that soul still not belonging to God because it's not a conscious effort on that particular person to give his soul to the devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		But the thing is that probably one of the most powerful curses that you can get is from a blood relative to another.
		Actually, one of the cases that I touch on in the book discusses something similar to that and how powerful that particular curse would be.
		You don't even really have to have any background in black magic or sorcery.
		You can just utter it, but mean it and give it energy.
		And there is a good chance that a demonic spirit will pick up on it.
		And, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sergeant, is black magic real?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, hold it right there.
unidentified		We're going to take some phone calls when we get back.
unidentified		I thought so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Finding and such.
		Maybe both forces use it.
		It's a strange world we live in, isn't it?
		I'm Ardell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM from the high desert.
unidentified		The world was on fire.
unidentified		No one could save me but you.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		A number that was attributed to Satan.
		And basically, that's it.
		There are variations of that, but that's what it would be, the sign of the beast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not even a great religious person, Sergeant, but when my thermometer, and I've got a big one, says 66.6 degrees, I go, oh, look at that.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Do you run on it?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Do you get out of the house?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but geez, look at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, of course you're on the air with Sergeant Sarchi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		My name is Jack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jack.
unidentified		I'm in Phoenix, Arizona.
		Okay.
		And I want to let you know that I'm very happy to hear somebody that even knows Father Malachi on your station.
		That's great.
		That man definitely moved me.
		I wrote him a letter about two weeks before he died.
		Oh.
		And I let him know about things that happened with me in my life.
		And I was very depressed when I found out that he passed away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As were we all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, do you have a question?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		My question is, if you've been obsessed in the past, can you actually fight that off?
		Because when I was 13 years old, I remember laying on my mom's bed and I was raised Catholic.
		And I remember just coming back from Mass one Sunday.
		My mom went to work, my dad went to work.
		And I was just rolling back and forth.
		I was in a sweat.
		I might have been sick.
		I don't know.
		But I was just asking if there was God or if there was Satan.
		If there was something, just come to me.
		Let me know.
		And I was doing Hell Mary, the whole thing.
		And I kind of just went out for a minute and I came to.
		I looked over and there was a big white chair right next to my mom's bed.
		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I can't say if this has actually happened or not, because in my life, when it comes to spiritual matters, there's always the twilight.
		Things happen in the twilight where it's like I look and I see, but I'm not sure if I'm awake or I'm asleep.
		It's like right in between.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Carl Wall's like a shadow person story in a way, and a lot of things like that seen in the twilight.
		I don't know.
		How would you know if you were in the throes of obsession, Sergeant?
		How would you know?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you would have to look and see basically how your life has been running.
		If you've been, you've always had, you know, a steady way about yourself and, you know, you didn't suffer from any kind of mental problem.
		And all of a sudden you start to get these overwhelmingly powerful thoughts into your mind.
		You know, I would just start to pray.
		Basically, the prayer that I would use is the rosary.
		It's a very powerful prayer, especially in time of trouble.
		But, you know, you would basically want to see if there were other things taking place in your life.
		Maybe some outward manifestation.
		It can be where the demonic will skip that stage of infestation and skip all outward manifestations and just attack internally enough to break down your will.
		I actually had a case of that nature where it started out as a form of obsession and wound up moving into a full-blown possession.
		But at that point, you would really have to stop praying and seek somebody's help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sergeant, is Catholicism the only Western religion that recognizes possession of this sort and does exorcism?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, every major religion has some form of exorcism right.
		Oh, really?
		The Muslims have what's called a domo, and that is an exorcist in the Muslim religion.
		The Jewish faith, they will have a group of rabbis that would sit and pray over a spirit.
		They call an evil spirit a divik.
		And they would have a group of rabbis praying.
		And then you have the different Protestant and Baptist religions that have their deliverance services.
		It's an exorcism, but it's not quite like the Roman Catholic exorcism where we use the Roman ritual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds really fascinating.
		I mean, I think most Americans, along with me, would be surprised.
		I had no idea that other religions had similar, I don't know what the right word for it is, similar rights, I guess.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a problem that attacks all different religions and all different races and creeds.
		As Father Martin said, he had done a study of about 800 exorcisms and there was not one identifying factor that would relate to why a person would become possessed.
		In other words, we cannot say, you see that person over there, they're the perfect candidate to be possessed.
		The demonic do not discriminate.
		That's the best way that I can put it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it could happen to a young person, an old person, a middle-aged person, a Catholic, a Muslim, whatever.
unidentified		Yes.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Most definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sergeant Rolf Sarge.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, go ahead, sir.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Hey, what's happening on?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		I'm calling from Brooklyn, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brooklyn, all right?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		First of all, gotta say to the officer here, how you doing?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		God bless you, you know.
unidentified		You appreciate all the work.
unidentified		And that's about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And you two are.
		God bless you.
		God bless you.
		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		I don't know.
		You tell me, was that really somebody from Brooklyn or somebody trying to sound like they were from Brooklyn, Sergeant?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sounds like somebody who's trying to sound like he's from Brooklyn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I thought, too.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Sergeant Sarti.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, I missed most of the program, but I take you're talking about demonology and demon possession and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		Well, what I would say to the audience and everyone is the best protection against that kind of thing is a life of prayer and virtue, and particularly the sacraments.
		And we have in the Eastern Orthodox Church a mantra.
		You would call it a mantra.
		It's a prayer that goes, Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
		You say that like thousands of times, and you start to feel peace around you, and demons cannot come around the name of Christ.
		So just basically a life of virtue, sanctity, and prayer, and you should all be okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you'll get no argument from that, right, Sergeant?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		None whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		It's been a too long time with no peace of mind.
		I'm ready for the time to get better.
		I'm ready for the time to get better.
		I've got to tell you, I've been rocking my brain, hoping to find a way out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jason in Napperville, Illinois asks, are there certain types of people who are more likely to be possessed, and are there certain situations that would increase the risk or chances of a possession?
		That's a really good question.
		In other words, would a generally weak person, a drug user, somebody who has already been giving in to a lot of earthly temptations, would that person be more easily possessed, Sergeant?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's certainly a draw for the demonic, you know, that type of behavior.
		But like Father Martin had the study that he had done that we just spoke about, you know, there isn't one particular type of person.
		It's not something that we can look at in that way.
		Of course, when you're playing with black magic and you're into Satanism, yeah, sure, that would, I would say your chances of becoming possessed are a lot greater than if you aren't involved in something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A weaker person of will, I would assume, would more easily be possessed than one of strong will.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's also true because a demonic will pick on somebody who is weaker-willed.
		But if they have a plan and the person's will happens to be strong, they will do things to break down that will.
		In one of my cases, the demonic spirit was looking to possess the mother.
		And how did it go about breaking down her will?
		It really attacked her daughter unmercifully.
		Physical assaults every single day for about three months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would make sense.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Before we actually got involved with the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the target wasn't the daughter, it was the mother?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		No, the demonic spirit was looking to possess the mother.
		And it broke down or attempted to break down her will.
		And what is the best way to get at a parent?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Through their children.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, first time caller line, you're on the air with Sergeant Ralph Sarchi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, hi, you're.
		Listen, I was wondering if the sergeant could briefly touch on the case of the Calvelli.
		It's something that's a bit sensitive, but if you could touch on that, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in New York City.
unidentified		Yes, the case of the Calvelli.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you familiar with that case, Sergeant?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		The Calvelli?
		No, I'm not.
		Tell me about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, what are you talking about?
unidentified		Caller?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		We've probably been scammed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was him, perhaps so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Sergeant Ralph Sargi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Sergeant Ralph.
		This is Dan in Sacramento.
		I was curious to, I wanted to ask you if you had any experience or if you were if it's possible that people that immerse themselves in heavy metal rock music like the real dark negative music, if that's a way to open yourself up to possession or to be oppressed by demonic spirits.
		And also, the other, I think the question was kind of answered, is how people can open themselves up to possession or how it happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		On the one hand, the answer seems to be that there's no answer, that they just go after, the devil goes after who they want.
		But on the other hand, it's a good question.
		I mean, the music that is so dark and almost evil does seem to psychologically set somebody up for something like that.
		That's what the average person would think, Sergeant?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would feel that it would be, it would tend to more of temptation than actual possession.
		But then again, you know, like I said, anything is possible.
		It depends on the person.
		You know, are they using drugs?
		Are they weakening their aura?
		You know, what kind of spirituality?
		Obviously, if you're going to listen to, I mean, really heavy metal music, you know, you're not going to be too much into going to church on Sundays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not likely.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		But the only thing that people that dabble in that kind of stuff have is they still have protection from God.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		And if God doesn't allow it to happen, it won't happen no matter how much heavy metal music they listen to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's interesting.
		I made this comment at the bottom of the hour, Sergeant.
		People who make derisive comments and humor and have to joke about this kind of thing, either that or get angry about the kind of things that you're saying tonight.
		What I've noticed is that their comments, ignorant comments, usually come because of fear.
		They're afraid, and they're afraid for themselves and their behavior, and they know what they're all about.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, at that call that we just had prior to this gentleman we just spoke to, I believe I know where that came from.
unidentified		Do you?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's the kind of thing that I mean, though.
		They've got to reach out and say something, wise acre something, or laugh or make a derisive comment.
		And it's because of fear, and it's fear of their own behavior.
		Now, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sergeant Sergeant.
unidentified		High.
		Yes.
		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		Mark from Richmond, Virginia.
		Okay.
		Sergeant, sir, congratulations on your book sales moving up a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And that's not all art, although he's a big help.
unidentified		You pretty much have sold your own book, sir.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		It's enjoyable hearing of good things happening to good people.
		I wish we could have more of it.
		Evil is insidious.
		I don't have to tell you that.
		That's my take on it from what little I've seen.
		Have you ever been fooled by someone mentally ill, acting possessed, or more so, vice versa?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Actually, yes.
		I have been fooled by this particular person.
		The gentleman sounded extremely normal on the telephone, I mean, to both myself and my partner.
		By the time we got to this gentleman's home, we basically found out that the man was demented.
		So we sort of like turned around and left.
		I didn't feel like there was, and my partner concurred with me that this man was suffering from any kind of diabolical activity.
		But just because a person has some kind of a mental problem does not mean that they're not being harassed by the demonic.
		It's a negative emotion.
		And the demonic are attracted to negativity, like we discussed with alcoholism and drug abuse and child abuse.
		You know, these are all negative emotions that would be used.
		And the demonic are attracted to that, just like they're attracted to a weak and broken up aura.
unidentified		I'm sure you did, Father.
unidentified		Father Malachi, proud to have even made that call to make that trip over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Sergeant Rals Archie.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Sergeant.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		I just had a question.
		Maybe Father Malachi had some dealings with either politicians or maybe some famous people that he had to do any exorcisms on or dealings like that, and I'll hang up and let you answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I doubt we're going to be able to answer that one because I guess in a general way you can answer it.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wasn't aware of anything of that nature.
		And, you know, if I were, I wouldn't be at liberty to say anything about that.
		But as far as I know, Father Martin wasn't involved in anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Sergeant Sarchi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello, Art.
		It's very nice to actually get through and talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad you did.
unidentified		Where are you?
		I'm in Duluth, Minnesota.
		And I'd just like to say that I'm a senior here at the University of Minnesota in Duluth.
		And your show has been a big part of my life during late-night study sessions over the past four years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		So thank you very much.
unidentified		And good evening, Sergeant.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		I'm doing all right.
unidentified		How are you?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
unidentified		Excellent.
		I had one question for you that maybe isn't directly related to demonic possession, but it goes back about 25 years ago, a little bit before my time.
		I know that since you are from New York and you are on the NYPD, I'm sure, well, obviously you're familiar with the Son of Sam case.
		And I'm wondering if you're also familiar with Maury Terry's book, The Ultimate Evil.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
unidentified		And in it, he seems to think that there's this nationwide cabal, I guess, of ritual magicians.
		And I'm wondering if you think that if there's anything to that as far as maybe an increase in demonic possessions being related to the activity of some of these groups, and if you've ever run across any of their, I don't know, I guess, lower-level soldiers, I guess, in your work as a police officer in New York.
		As far as my to such a, if you've seen anything that would justify such a suspicion.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have dealt directly with Satanic groups on a few of my cases where the actual group was on the scene in two separate cases.
		I had two separate groups of Satanists present in the vicinity.
		One group was what we considered dabblers.
		They're not very well organized, but doesn't make them any less dangerous.
		And the other group was a very well-organized group.
		And that would be the group that I would, what you would consider.
		They're larger in scale.
		They consist of more professional people.
		Unfortunately, policemen are involved, nurses, doctors, even clergymen, nuns.
		There are plenty of groups.
		There are exclusive groups that only have ex-nuns within the Santanic coven.
		Unfortunately, Satanism does reach into every aspect of our life, or life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's a lot more of it out there than we imagine?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and their secrecy is very important to them.
		And they have the means because of the professional people that they have in there to actually cover their tracks because they have the money, they have the people that are in place to ensure their secrecy.
		Now, I know that there's a lot of people out there that don't believe in the Santana conspiracy.
		I don't know if it reaches across state lines, but I can tell you that there are a lot of groups operating pretty much in every community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
		I had no idea.
		I mean, to talk about nuns and priests and police officers and that seems impossible, but not.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		You know, the devil has very long reach, and he's pretty much in every aspect of this world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you became aware of a police officer involved, an active police officer involved in such a thing, what would your options be, Sergeant?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, as long as he's not breaking any laws, Satanism is looked upon as an organized religion.
		If you look at the Church of Satan, the Temple of Set, these are all organized satanic religions.
		And as long as they are not breaking any laws, there really isn't anything you can do about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I tell you, you wouldn't be out to partner up with somebody like that.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, put it this way.
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		He wouldn't be driving me.
unidentified		I'll tell you that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Guard Line, you're on the air with Sergeant Ralph Sarchi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hello.
		Sergeant, it seems like you mentioned earlier in the show that you saw the CNN picture of what looks like an evil entity.
		Yeah.
		And did you see any other pictures of people who took that as well?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There were many.
unidentified		There were many that took that and saw that got that picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there were many.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you just see?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		There is more to come.
		Once I actually get copies of these photographs, I will be giving them to Art so he can put them on the website.
		But you'll be amazed at some of the photographs that are taken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you haven't seen any?
		Well, take a trip to my website, get to the library or something, and take a look.
		It's pretty chilling stuff, so there'll be more as soon as we get them.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sergeant Ralph Sarchie.
unidentified		Hello?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		You're on the air.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Excuse me, Ark.
		Good morning.
		I have a couple of questions there for the sergeant.
		More along the lines of I'm very disturbed by what I'm hearing tonight and some of the misinformation that I feel like is going on out there.
		Mr. Sergeant, you had stated earlier tonight that demons enter the body through specific points, the solar plexus, some areas around the top of the head, was that correct?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		If these are non-corporeal beings, non-physical beings, I believe we can agree that demons are spiritual, are they not?
		Yes.
		Then why do they need a specific point to enter the body?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		Well, these are areas that your aura will flow in and out of.
		Your aura is your spiritual protection.
		And this is how the demonic spirit would most likely enter.
		And the way we know that is that during exorcism, there are certain parts of the body that are affected.
		Usually the head, the stomach.
		In one case that I handled, it was the back.
		And these pretty much were the areas that we knew that the demonic had entered through.
		So what we would do at that point, or the exorcist would do basically, is he would take a relic and he would apply it to that area.
		And that area causes extreme torment to the demonic spirit and hopefully was spurred to leave at that point.
		So that's why I talk about that.
		But certainly, they are spirit and they do not have to enter at that point.
		It's just that through our experience, we find this to be true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sergeant Ralph Sarchi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Marcia from Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Marcia.
unidentified		Hi.
		I have kind of a serious question here.
		Many, many years ago, I was working one evening and a man had come into where I was working and had ordered a glass of red wine.
		And when I went to collect his money, he took my hand and he says, tell your med there we're watching over you.
		And of course I come back because I thought, who is this person?
		And in the end, he had given me a card that said, devil may care.
		And I've been fighting this for approximately 23 years.
		They've been working on me a lot.
		And I'm pretty strong.
		You know, they've worked at my kids.
		I've been to them on senior.
		I've had protection around me and stuff.
		What bringing it up right now is I was looking on your website of this demon that they're showing.
		And I swear to God, that is the man.
		And it just hit me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		This man has followed me many, many places.
		I have moved.
		This happened like in the Bay Area.
		I moved to Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is.
		I'll tell you what.
		And gender is a pretty good question.
		We're pretty short on time here.
		But would a person possessed, or perfectly possessed, but possessed, seem to somebody like this lady or anybody else who encountered them to be from the devil?
		In other words, would they think they might have encountered the devil?
ralph sarchie ▲ ● ▼		It's very likely because what happens is most of the time when you come into contact with pure evil, you'll react to it.
		It's such an unnatural, it's so opposite of humanity that your body will react to it.
		Usually, it would say, people describe it as a creepy feeling, for lack of a better word.
		And that's pretty much the way it would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		So you would know you were in its presence.
		There would be no question about that.

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