Ralph Sarchie, NYPD sergeant and exorcism expert, links 9/11’s Princeton random number generator anomalies—like "missiles head for New York City at dusk"—to supernatural forces, while dismissing media conspiracy claims. He details demonic possession stages, from infestation to full control, citing cases like a woman unable to view holy relics and a priest flipped by unseen forces before his death. Sarchie confirms the Vatican’s exorcism efforts and an 800% rise in possessions pre-Father Martin’s passing, attributing it to moral decay but noting God’s counterbalance through growing spiritual awareness. Real demonic attacks, he insists, leave undeniable physical traces—like shadow people and eerie sensations—far beyond Hollywood’s exaggerated portrayals. [Automatically generated summary]
As a matter of fact, he's a close with the close confidence of the late Father Melachim Martin.
He's about to champ it.
And boy, does he have a lot to say, so he'll be here in the second hour.
Right now, you cannot get XM radios.
I don't know if I should really say that.
There may be a way, but everybody I know is trying like crazy and can't get their hands on one.
So we're there if you happen to be one of the elite few who has a radio.
Anyway, we are on XM right now.
The Bush administration today said that some of the same terrorists involved in the September 11th attacks on New York and Washington also now have been linked to the East Africa Embassy bombings and the attack on the USS calls.
Matter of fact, the administration has briefed the president of Pakistan, and everybody is saying, including the Brits, that the proof is now proof positive.
It was Osama bin Laden who did it.
Proof positive.
Compelling.
Impossible to not believe proof.
I have yet to see it.
I'm sure most of you have yet to see it, but that is what they're saying.
President of Pakistan was given a private viewing.
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There is a story about some instant messages that were sent to Israel.
A link I sent to Keith.
And you might want to read about that.
Instant messages being regarded by the authorities in Israel as a two-hour warning ahead of time before the attacks on 9-11.
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Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld leaving tonight on a four-nation mission that could, they say, be a prelude to military strikes against terrorists.
Rumfeld is going to hold talks with leaders in Saudi Arabia, Oman, Egypt, and Uzbekistan, all key members of the president's growing coalition against terrorism.
So this could be, they're speculating, kind of a final round of, well, here we go, folks.
Are you with us or again us?
And meanwhile, the killing goes on in Israel.
Two Israelis killed in a Gaza attack, yet another in the long string of never-ending attacks there.
Senate and Justice Department negotiators failed today to reach a final compromise on the administration's anti-terrorism package one day after House leaders announced their package was ready for passage.
Now, let's see, what else do we know tonight?
Well, quite a bit, actually.
I am proceeding really hard with this whole Princeton thing.
Now, Princeton is using a whole bunch of computers generating random number generators, and they have been looking at world-scale events for some time now, kind of like a Richter scale of the group consciousness out there.
Maybe you could call it that, a Richter scale of the group consciousness.
You see, for some reason, these random number generators started becoming much less random at 6 o'clock in the morning before the attack, then right as the attack occurred, big spike, then afterwards it continued to spike.
Some are considering this proof positive that random number generators are being affected by the larger mass consciousness out there.
Then I received this really interesting email from a young lady in the Bay Area, Sandra.
And Sandra has been doing some interesting work, and she's really shocked.
She's a paramedic for the San Francisco Fire Department, but she has a hobby, and I guess it's speech.
And what Sandra did was to begin to feed nonsense, basically nonsense, into a random number generator.
She used a news show on CNN, which talked largely about stem cell research, Chandra Levy and Lizzie Grubman, a bunch of stuff.
And then submits it to a random number generator.
This is so interesting in view of Princeton.
Anyway, what comes out on the other end is coherent speech.
Things like missiles head for New York City at dusk and many more messages that are pretty bone-chilling.
Now, why would that come out, be spit out of a random number generator, unless that random number generator were being affected by the group consciousness?
All this done, by the way, before the attacks on the World Trade Center.
Pretty doggone, weird stuff.
Wouldn't you say I certainly would.
So we're going to follow this.
And tomorrow night, Richard C. Hoagland may have some more for you, certainly a catch-up report on what's going on at Princeton.
Well, I'll tell you, I've got a lot more information here for you of varying sorts, but I think I'm going to hold it and disperse it as the program continues tonight.
What a fascinating time we're in.
First time caller line, you would have been on the air.
One thing I'd like to ask you, sir, is what do you think how the role the media has played in far as almost the fear effect?
Because one thing I noticed, like, even before Y2K, I can remember NBC put out a movie regarding the whole Y2K fear and things like that, and even a plane played in a factor in that.
And then you see with like current news magazine programs, you almost see where they start going piece by piece what targets in America people to go for.
And to me, it almost seems like it's an instruction book, and it almost plays into the whole part of it.
The economic stimulus type package that we keep hearing about, one thing we've bailed out the airlines for just a moment with the $15 billion, but the one thing we've seen with the economy, I think not only have we lost so many lives and we've hurt so many people, but yet I think by just allowing this to just for our whole economy and so many people losing their jobs, to me that seems like such a ripple effect that if the government can't do something about that, it almost seems like this will play out.
And I think that's one of the more important things we need to do is get our foundation back and then we can put up the walls for shelter instead of dividing us and actually start building that foundation back.
Right now, the malls in big cities, mom and pop stores in malls in big cities are suffering, may go out of business.
People, make no mistake about it, have chosen to stay home.
They're not flying.
This has been a big shock to them.
So to that degree, the terrorists, I suppose, have achieved their aim.
People are a little scared, and can you blame them?
However, life eventually does go on, and I'm not sure how long it's going to take.
Certainly, it's taking longer than the authorities want right now for people to get back out and begin doing what they do every day, you know, flying, buying stuff, shopping, doing what people do.
Well, they're not doing it right now, and they haven't started again yet.
Much as everybody wants to get back to what they call normal, it's not normal yet.
But it will be.
I'm just, it's just not yet.
I'm watching it very closely, and if you listen to what the authorities are saying, they are scared.
They're scared that habits have somehow immediately changed, and our base economy is at risk.
Well, of course, the banks will adjust, and some will be a little higher, and some will be a little lower.
You know, they offer what they want to offer, but pretty much that's it.
I mean, if you have money and you're depending on living on interest from your money, you're probably in dire straits right now because there isn't much there, sir.
Well, perhaps maybe some of the listeners can comment on that because I'm kind of confused with that as well.
I mean, they're blasting it all over the radio as well as the TV.
And like so many other people in this country, I'm an entrepreneur trying to make a living myself, and it doesn't do me a darn bit of good, and I don't know anybody else that does any good.
And putting bars on the doors, actually making the door and the bulkhead there bulletproof, seems like a really good idea to me.
And there's going to be a lot of different messages go out.
Now, I think that in a lot of cases, they may not recommend, but they're not going to be dissatisfied if the passengers rush the hijackers because there are many more passengers than there are hijackers, usually, right?
So they're outnumbered, which is one reason, no doubt, the hijackers wanted to keep the number on those four planes low just in case there was something like that.
Makes sense, right?
Not save lives, just so that they wouldn't get jumped by too many people.
I just had a couple of comments at some of the other calls that were placed earlier.
One gentleman had questions about the interest rates and how that will kind of affect the average American.
I work for a large financial company.
And the interest rates for, I mean, in regard to, let's say, home loans or mortgages, if you have a fixed mortgage, it won't really affect you because your rate's already been locked in.
The mortgage rates follow, generally not all the way down, but they follow in dips, you know, after a month or two after the Fed is acted.
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Yeah, and most companies right now are taking the position that they're kind of holding back to see how consumer confidence or if anything actually swings back into play like outlines.
By the way, in CNN's properly debunking some of this internet junk that's been running around, they did refer to the, in fact they showed, the devil in the smoke photograph.
And there's no debunking to be done because even as CNN pointed out, these were unretouched photographs.
Now, as I said last night, I'll say again, now, you can imagine that people will see what they will see in anything.
However, I tell you, test, go test yourself.
Look at photographs on my website.
They're unretouched.
There's no question about it.
It jumps right out at you.
There is a face of the devil in that smoke.
It's not something you have to stare at to see or wonder about.
Yeah, I was just going to continue with my comment.
I spent a lot of six years in the Marine Corps, and in that time I was in a lot of different places and trained with some other national forces, the Australians, the Canadians, even had some dealings with some Israeli advisors.
A lot of people in America don't understand the security situations or the protocols that are putting into place in other countries.
I went to Europe after high school in the early 1990s, and I was just in awe in Frankfurt as to German national police walking through the airport with machine guns and dogs.
Well, my first comment was about, I don't know if anybody's brought it up.
I just got you on, about the pilot safety, and, you know, as far as the cockpit goes.
Sure.
I have friends that are commercial pilots, and in their mind, they know when they get in that airplane that if it goes down, they're the first ones to see it hit the ground.
So their consensus, along with carrying arms, I mean, carrying arms is one thing, but their consensus is make the cockpit a tight, secure area with a vault-type door.
And then, and until recently, you know, the flight crew was always trained to cooperate, to try to get on the ground as quickly as they could, and go, you know, to do what they had to do.
Now, everything has changed.
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Yeah.
Everything.
I don't know what the answer is, but the last caller said, you know, I flown into Frankfurt myself, too, and my wife went out of Vegas.
I know I think you used to live over the hump.
I'm not sure if you're up there or not anymore.
But my wife went out of Vegas last Friday night down to Florida with two of my daughters, both my daughters.
And, you know, they stayed, my daughter's, one daughter's two years old, one daughter's eight months.
And they ran the scanner up and down them and did the thing.
And everybody stayed in line and everybody was patient.
Nobody said a word.
There was nobody that was getting, you know, come on, let's go.
And it was, you know, it made me feel good to send my whole family on an airplane, which I really wasn't excited about.
But, you know, she wanted to go down there and there's nothing wrong with it.
Yes, and I think that they should make the cockpit inaccessible, period.
One reason that the airlines are hurting, I really think if you think about this, you'll know I'm right.
Where I am would be by air right now impossible to justify.
In other words, let's say I wanted to get to Los Angeles, all right?
I would have to take a one-hour trip from where I am to Las Vegas.
I would then have to wait an hour and a half to two hours, I guess, I am being told, in the airport for security checks and such.
Then there would be a one-hour flight to Los Angeles, and then, of course, the attendant difficulty in traversing the Los Angeles airport.
It would be easier to drive.
It would be as fast to drive and less hectic to drive.
And so I don't know what's going to happen.
I guess we're going to have to adjust what we do in America, and we're going to have to get used to the security.
And maybe the short-haul flights will not be as profitable as they once were.
Now, certainly for any long-haul flight, if you were going across the country, no contest.
You would certainly still fly.
You would have to fly.
And for many things, you're going to have to fly.
But for short, relatively short hauls, you know, 350, 400 miles, something like that, do the math.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Hello.
Hi.
How are you doing, Hurt?
All right.
I just wanted to comment about the calls you got in, about the anti-war comments and all that.
And I know you're probably still getting many of them.
But I was wondering if you'd noticed, at least I did, and I kind of drew this conclusion from last Tuesday's broadcast, that most of the people who were calling in that were against going to war or were, you know, unnerved by it seemed to be of baby boomer generation age.
Now, I don't want anyone getting upset about this, but it just seemed to me, and I didn't know whether you felt that way and if you did feel that way.
I thought that it was a pretty good demographic spread, actually.
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Okay.
Well, I was wondering if the reason behind that might be because of that they had to go through the Vietnam War and they did have to go see what kind of hassles and problems and tragedies that came out of that.
Not so much any demographic specific city, but rather I noticed that most of them that thought we should not go to war, should not go get these people, also spent at least half their call, or better, documenting why they don't like the United States, documenting why our foreign policy stinks, documenting, they said, you know, why everything that we're doing wrong.
In other words, it seemed to me that they weren't exactly on our side.
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So Canadians?
No, that was wrong.
No.
No, I mean, was it just people?
Do you think that people in America, that America is so down on itself that there are so many people out there that feel that America is such an unjust place?
Basically, they're saying, well, then we deserved it.
People who don't like our support of Israel, well, then we deserved it.
People who don't like some of the fracuss that we've been involved in and some CIA-type operations that we've been involved in, were involved in During the Cold War.
They don't like that, so we deserve it, and we shouldn't go get them.
That's what I noticed about the callers.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Hi.
My question is really kind of something a little bit different.
How come, what I want to know is how come they can't, if they can build an ejection to eject the cockpit of space shuttle and save the astronauts, why can't they do the same thing for an airplane?
He really did say, though, that something would happen that would have everybody looking up.
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Can I make a suggestion?
Sure.
First of all, people who are into the We Deserve It syndrome, it has nothing to do with foreign policy.
Like you've been saying, these people aren't just out to destroy us.
They're out to destroy the West.
It's not all of a stone paranoia.
Governments around the world are frightened by these people.
That's the issue.
The issue is a matter of survival.
It's not a matter of whether we deserve it on our foreign policy.
These people are beyond negotiation.
I would like to make a couple suggestions to you.
The first thing is, and I know you probably feel very controversial about this, is that there should be some sort of specially researched prayer session on your show one particular evening that possibly could be linked to radio stations throughout the world that would allow everybody to concentrate in a constructive way on prayer.
And there's that doctor whose name escapes me in Arizona, New Mexico, who you probably know, he's a physician.
When this first happened, we were working pretty much six to seven days a week, 12-hour tours, and then some.
The cops, they wanted, they were actually fighting with the supervisors to actually get down to ground zero because every single one of them wanted to get in there and help in some manner.
So they arranged that to let pretty much everybody on the force at this particular time get down to ground zero and do some kind of digging, rescue, to get into the rescue effort.
Most of us, we are sent down there as a security detail to secure the perimeter to make sure that no one gets in that's not supposed to be there.
It is one large crime scene, and I've never seen a crime scene that large before.
When we would drive by in R ⁇ Ps, let's face it, we're not the most well-liked people out there most of the time.
But when we drive through the streets, we actually have people waving, telling us that they really appreciate it, you know, that God bless you, the whole nine yards.
When I first looked at some of the photographs that came from CNN of the impact on the Second World Trade Center, there is unmistakably, you don't have to wonder about it.
It's an unretouched photograph.
It shows what appears to be a demonic face in the smoke.
I don't know whether you've had an opportunity to see that photograph or not yet.
And we are given free reign to exercise that free will, to do either good or evil.
These particular characters decided that they were going to do evil.
The devil doesn't have any control over a person's free will, but he can definitely influence it and manipulate it through the physical world as well as internally, through the person's senses.
And I know that you've discussed these problems with fundamentalists, and I'm sorry to say that pretty much every major religion in the world has had these dark moments where they've actually killed other people.
The CIA, the police departments are doing all we can for this.
A lot of cops are out there.
They're very vigilant.
They're checking things out.
And hopefully we can put an end to a lot of these terrorist cells that are out there and at least put a dent in the type of damage that they can cause.
But again, even though it was the act of these men who did what they did, still, is it possible that the stamp of real evil behind this somewhere was seen that day?
Well, you know, with that photograph with the figure, the face on it, you know, I'm of the belief that you can take photographs of smoke and eventually get something out of it.
You can.
I'm pretty sure of that.
I mean, I have one of my cops show me a photograph, and he actually has a demonic face in the smoke.
And I will be trying to get you those photographs because the cops have taken some tremendous photographs down there.
When I asked to look at the photographs, I was just looking to see what it looked like on the photograph, you know, what the World Trade Center looked like on the photograph.
And I wound up getting a different array of spirit energy on these photographs, literally hundreds, which is consistent with the amount of people that perished in those buildings.
So I am continually, the cops are coming up to me with their photographs now to look at them.
I guess they all want to get some kind of spirit energy and they're not being disappointed with the stuff that they get.
And I will get them to you when I get copies so you can put them up on your website.
Well, what we were seeing in one particular photograph that stands out in my mind, there was what I consider what I call spirit energy, which is little balls of light.
And some of them are different, varying degrees of intensity.
Some are very bright, some are very dark, or you can really, you can't really see them that well.
Well, from what I've seen, like I said, there was hundreds of them in this particular photograph.
And the officer that took the photograph had stepped over to his left about maybe two or three feet and snapped another photograph within a minute's time.
And on that photograph, you can only see about three balls of energy.
He felt that the photograph was ruined.
And I told him it's not ruined.
What you have here is you have a very good photograph of spirit energy.
He thought that they were dust particles, but that's not the case because the other photograph, you can actually see only three of them in there.
Do you think that those constitute what we understand to be the soul of that person and there's a real consciousness contained in that or is it just what's left?
Sergeant Ralph Sarchi is with us, New York City Police Department, for 16 years.
We're talking about all kinds of things you probably wouldn't expect we're going to talk about.
Stand by.
All right.
You were treated to an extra commercial or so then, and that means there'll be less later.
Sergeant, welcome back.
you know, those spirits that you were talking about that were photographed, how would you delineate between those spirits of departed and something that might be demonic or evil?
Unfortunately, the way the world is, not too many people really feel that way, and they're sort of missing something as far as I'm concerned, as far as Father Martin is concerned.
We have many discussions about faith.
We didn't only talk about the devil.
Sometimes I just don't want to talk about him and neither did Father Martin.
So we would talk about a whole array of other things and faith just happened to be on the top of the list.
He taught me so much.
He taught me an awful lot about this work and about my faith.
Actually, I made quite a few changes as far as how my faith goes now.
I am basically a traditional Catholic like Father Martin was.
And I actually worked with a traditional Catholic bishop, Bishop Robert McKenna, out of Monroe, Connecticut.
The Catholic Church doesn't really trust a lot of people outside that inner circle.
And, you know, whichever way it works, I've gotten a lot of cases from Catholic priests who knew about the work that I was involved in, and I would get a lot of referrals that way.
But basically, my area of work is with Bishop McKenna.
The one that stays in my mind is a very dangerous case for me.
It was a woman who's been possessed for many, many years.
And this actually came into my partner, Joe.
He had met the woman through a priest who performed healing masses.
And Joe had set up an exorcism with the bishop.
This was even before I was involved in the work.
The exorcism was unsuccessful, as every subsequent exorcism that this woman has gone through.
This is a very, very powerful demon.
It's what we consider a devil.
devils are very very powerful uh...
they get so not not the devil or or or We call them devils because they were very high on the hierarchy of angelic spirits prior to them being cast out of heaven.
Well, what kind of behavior, Sergeant, would lead you to believe that, For example, in this case, and I obviously you're not going to identify her and I don't want you to, but I mean, what kind of behavior would delineate between somebody needing an exorcism and somebody who, you know, perhaps should better be at Bellevue or any number of other answers that would be short of demonic possession?
Okay, what we would look for is the signs that are listed in the Roman ritual, speaking in a different language, knowing future or past events that they would have no way of knowing, a complete and utter hatred for anything holy,
religious articles, churches, and also levitating, and pretty much other physical acts that are so outside the realm of levitating.
Yes, I'm very familiar with cases where there were levitations that were taking place.
I've been spared that up until this point.
And to tell you the truth, I hope that I'm spared from that for the rest of my life as long as I'm involved in work.
It's not something that I want to see.
My only...
Well, you know what happens is that a person who's suffering from mental illness, they're pretty much suffering from mental illness, and you could see that.
A person who is demonically possessed, they'll go through periods of normalcy in their life.
In other words, they're able to function in a normal fashion to a degree.
The demonic, they don't possess somebody 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
There are periods of normalcy in there.
And it also depends on what's taking place.
We can have a demonic possession that's progressed from the first stage of diabolical activity, which is infestation.
We can actually map out what stage we're in by the types of phenomenon that's taken place.
Usually the person, they know that there is something definitely wrong, something that's not quite normal in their lives.
Yeah, this is something that it will upset the whole entire family.
But the thing is that demonic, they will attack in different ways.
We've found that the stages sometimes don't progress in the order that we prescribe them, like the infestation, the oppression, and the actual possession.
With the oppression, you still have the phenomenon that was happening in the infestation stage, but now it's multiplied.
The phenomenon becomes increasingly frightening to the family members who pretty much have no clue as to what's going on.
You know, their life is turned upside down.
They're living in a hellish nightmare, and they really don't have any way of getting out of it.
The second part to this stage is the obsession, where the attacks become internalized on what we call the focal person.
This is the person that the demonic has singled out for possession.
Now you'll have the weaknesses of that particular person are attacked.
Their sin becomes even worse.
Bad habits lead into sin.
They're starting to get these thoughts, alien thoughts.
They could even become violent, uncontrollable.
It starts to rip the family apart because one of the tactics of the demonic is to divide and conquer.
Where you have a family with no love, it's easier to break down will.
And they basically have a free reign at that point because there's nothing holding the family together.
They're dysfunctional at this particular point.
After that, then you'll have the stage of possession, of full possession, where the demonic spirit actually takes over that focal person, Which would lead into an exorcism.
You know, Father Malachi Martin told me that during the last year that he was alive, the number of possessions and demonic possessions in his area, your area, went up by 800%.
Well, yeah, perfect possession is one example of that.
And there are particular cases that, like we started to discuss that earlier, with the woman, it seems that there are certain cases that no matter how many times they're exorcised, how many priests are used, it just doesn't seem to happen.
There could be so many different variables when it comes to that.
The person themselves can somehow hold a demonic spirit in and not want the exorcism to basically succeed.
We have different types of demonic spirits like I was discussing, leading from very low-level demonic spirits, which we would call familiars, to devils.
Not the devil himself, but a demonic spirit that's very, very powerful.
Well, with this particular cafe, like I said, she undergone many exorcisms.
And she had contacted my partner, Joe, and asked if Bishop McKenna would work with her again.
So we decided to set up a three-day exorcism for her.
Three-day?
It was going to go over a three-day period.
We were going to end the exorcism on the triumph of the cross.
It's a holy day in the Catholic Church.
Well, we had gone through the three days, and there really wasn't a lot of violence going on with this particular demon, although it could definitely have attacked in that manner.
Well, yeah, that's where one of the attacks you come.
If it's spiritual, you'll start to think about, you'll start to doubt your faith.
And this is a very, very dangerous area for the exorcist to go through.
If he starts to doubt his faith, he could wind up basically losing his life, if not becoming possessed himself.
So the exorcist himself has to be of unwavering faith.
And nothing can enter into his thoughts during the time of the exorcism, except he must keep his eyes, his mind on God, read the Roman ritual, and ask certain questions that have to be asked.
So in other words, sir, the exorcist, if he begins to doubt his own faith, he begins to then exhibit the same weaknesses that allowed the possession to occur in the person they're trying to exercise, and that's the danger, right?
A transient possession could take place, meaning that it's not a full possession, but he can be possessed for a short period of time, or it can be a full possession where he actually is taken over fully.
The exorcist has to keep his mind on God, and he has to dismiss that type of an attack immediately.
That would be the class stage that Father Martin talks about, where it's an actual battle between the exorcist and the demon.
All the stages can come at once, as Father Martin had told my partner, Joe, is that all of these stages during the exorcism could come at once, or they could come in different order.
The demonic are not bound by anything but God, and if he allows it to happen, then you can rest assured that they are going to do it.
But this particular exorcism, like I said, it took a total of three days, and it wasn't successful.
Some of the things that I seen at that exorcism, I will never forget.
Yeah, well, there was one particular, it was the last day of the exorcism, and I brought a relic of the true cross with me.
We actually had three relics of the true cross in that church.
And we decided to do that because it was the triumph of the cross.
Like I said, it was a day that we celebrate the cross in the Catholic faith.
And I was behind the woman, and I had placed the relic right next to the right side of her temple.
And I can see the demon basically was in control of this person at this point.
It would not allow her to turn her head and look directly at the cross, but I could see this extremely hateful and murderous look that this demon was given the relic of the true cross.
And that's something that I'll never forget.
I mean, I've seen people in all stages of emotions out there on the street.
I've seen people that would just sooner stab you than look at you.
I've seen people that were mentally deranged.
And I have seen people that were completely and utterly devastated from the loss of a loved one.
And I have never seen a look in their eyes the way this look was.
They say that the eyes are the window of the soul.
Well, I could tell you I was looking at pure evil at that particular moment.
It's pretty unnerving when you have a woman speaking in a deep guttural voice that is not her own.
Well, I can tell you, when I had Father Martin on, people used to call who had done exorcisms, and he would always warn them that there was great danger, and I guess there is great danger.
Well, since you brought it up, as you probably know, that came out of nowhere.
One person sending me an email, which I happened to read on the air, and then I got thousands upon thousands of people saying they have seen these beings, whatever they are.
People have seen them.
I even got photographs, Sergeant, one of an obviously evil entity on top of a young boy.
That was really troubling.
You have something to say about these so-called shadow people?
Well, as I began to get these thousands of responses, Sergeant, many of them said, at first I saw them in my peripheral vision, but for some time now I've been seeing them head-on.
Is it worth asking, Sergeant, if there's an 800% increase in exorcisms, and we must assume there is an increase in evil presence or possession on earth right now, not just New York, but probably right across the face of the earth.
Well, I think it's that time, that point in history that we are all waiting for.
I don't want to go into saying that the end times are near.
I wouldn't be as fanatical as that.
But I definitely see a breakdown in society, in the morals that we have, in the way we go about conducting business, the spirituality of people.
I do see a rise in spirituality, though.
There is, yes.
And that's what I mentioned earlier in the beginning of the program, is that God will never allow evil to flourish without something good coming from it.
And I believe in that so strongly that, you know, I can actually see that.
There are people that are hungry for spirituality.
And the problem is a lot of people just don't know where to start.
No, I don't believe that there's a person on the face of the earth that can go through that type of phenomenon in one exorcism, in one sitting.
That's just Hollywood hype.
A lot of the things that took place during the movie, the levitations, the actual change in features, the vomiting, maybe not to that degree, but the original exorcist case, instead of the vomit,
it was spit that this particular 12-year-old boy, he had a dead Marsman eye to hit you in the face with his spit from across the room.
And that's where that came from.
The change in voice, that's all consistent with what exism is all about.
As far as a head spinning around, I really don't believe that that would happen.
At least I hope not, because I don't think I would ever be the same after seeing something like that.
Probably not.
But, you know, you have to realize that we are human beings that are involved in this, and God will not allow certain things to happen because of our, you know, how fragile we really are.
And I believe he protects us from a lot of the things.
In fact, I know he protects us from a lot of the things that the demonic would love to do to us.
I've gone into specific cases that I thought was consistent with the point that I wanted to bring about about demonic and how they, you know, how they work in our lives.
So it's not just a book of cases.
It's a book of where I go into explaining exactly what's going on in the case and why it's going on.
There are some crimes, though, and I know police don't run into these every day like they do on television, but there are some crimes that are so horrible, so horrible, some of them without apparent motive, where people are just killing to kill, that, you know, the average person sits down there and watches the news and wonders, God, that just plain seems evil.
Well, basically, what we're trying to do during the Roman ritual or the Exodus is trying to do is it's basically commanded in the name of Jesus Christ to be silent.
The whole Roman ritual is a command.
It's one big giant command.
You can't appease to the demonic to please leave.
They have to be forced.
And it's through command.
And that is basically the only time in a priest's life that he should feel contempt for anything that is against the demonic.
There has to be a great feeling of contempt for what these demonic spirits are doing.
But then again, there is a trap in that.
If they feel too much contempt, the demonic can use it against them.
What do you think of parapsychologists, I have many of them on this program, who investigate hauntings from a scientific point of view using camels and other equipment instead of the equipment used by an exorcist, you know, the holy water relics.
And number two is what they're basically going to do is they're going to go into a home and they're going to take readings with gauss meters and thermometers and infrared film.
The only thing that saves you, basically, is that you are no longer a threat to the demonic if you're going to look at it from a scientific point of view.
The danger comes in is when you become a threat.
They would want to eliminate you, but it's God's protection that keeps us safe.
Well, from my point of view, I wish I had the faith you have and many others have and are very comfortable within, and I know it comforts you.
I wish I had that.
I believe in God, but I'm the kind of guy who just has to put his hand on something to really believe it.
And therefore, I hope the science continues.
You've got to admit, Sergeant, that if science was able to conclusively prove an afterlife that we survived this life somehow or another, our consciousness survives, Then many things would change, probably for the better.
You know, when you are asked to attend an exorcism, I suppose by then it's an absolute case of possession and they have determined that before you're there.
But you did say there were people who fake it.
And how do you determine that?
In other words, if they're sitting there faking a voice or faking the ability to speak some language that you don't recognize or generally faking, how do you know?
Well, you would go by the phenomenon that was taking place.
That would be number one.
You know, you would do, well, I know I do an interview.
And being a police officer for the amount of years, I'm coming up on 18 years actually, you know, I sort of learned how to interview people and bring the truth out of them.
My partner, Joe, works for legal aid.
He's a polygraph examiner.
He's another person that basically does interviews for a living.
But we have our little things that we do.
And obviously I can't tell you over the air because then everybody's going to know what I do.
And there's only so much that a man can take, knowing that he was involved for so many years with exorcisms and investigating the demonic, that will take a toll on you.
There is no doubt about it.
And the way I see it, He was in the field a little bit too long.
But it was because of his faith and his love for God that he was able to last as long as he did.
You know, there is no sense in investigating it as far as I'm concerned because the devil plays such a strong game that he would intervene anyway, and we would never get the truth.
The only way I can answer that is that people, they crave power, they crave money, it may satisfy someone's ego, and they want to be able to manipulate the world around them.
But the part of this, Sergeant, that never made sense to me and doesn't now is that if somebody believed strongly enough in an evil force that could let us say, give us these short-term material gains, gains on the job, gains in love, in whatever area of life you wanted these gains, in trade for their immortal soul, if they believed that strongly that it could be done, then they would have to believe in the rest of it too and understand exactly what they were doing.
Well, I would say that their desire for the earthly goods that they're getting will outweigh what they're going to go through when they finally meet the devil head-on.
That's so hard to believe because, again, to imagine that they could be given all that in this life, you've then got to, by extension, imagine that they know there's a God and what it is they're trading away.
I mean, it's but of course, people end their lives with their own hand, and so I guess people do all kinds of things, and it's just hard to imagine.
I was working that night, and I was sitting in an R ⁇ P with my driver, and I think my driver just wanted to crawl underneath the front seat of the car to get away from what he was hearing.
The things that she was saying are very consistent with what the demonic are all about.
She was so full of hate that it actually consumed her.
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She was so full of hate for God that she didn't care what would happen to her, her own soul.
And the scariest and the worst part of it all was right toward the end of the interview, I'm sure you may remember, I asked her about her son.
I was just flabbergasted, and I said, what about your son?
And she said, well, he'll be with me.
He'll be in hell with me.
And I said, you can't do that to his soul.
And she said, oh, yes, I can.
I've given his soul to the devil.
And that's, you know, not long after that, I interviewed Father Martin.
And I said, could a mother give her son's soul to the devil?
And to my everlasting surprise, he said, yes.
And I just don't understand that, how that can be done, how somebody can give away their own child's soul to the devil without that child accepting it.
And I do have a little trouble with that as far as that soul still not belonging to God because it's not a conscious effort on that particular person to give his soul to the devil.
Well, you know, you would have to look and see basically how your life has been running.
If you've been, you've always had, you know, a steady way about yourself and, you know, you didn't suffer from any kind of mental problem.
And all of a sudden you start to get these overwhelmingly powerful thoughts into your mind.
You know, I would just start to pray.
Basically, the prayer that I would use is the rosary.
It's a very powerful prayer, especially in time of trouble.
But, you know, you would basically want to see if there were other things taking place in your life.
Maybe some outward manifestation.
It can be where the demonic will skip that stage of infestation and skip all outward manifestations and just attack internally enough to break down your will.
I actually had a case of that nature where it started out as a form of obsession and wound up moving into a full-blown possession.
But at that point, you would really have to stop praying and seek somebody's help.
Well, it's a problem that attacks all different religions and all different races and creeds.
As Father Martin said, he had done a study of about 800 exorcisms and there was not one identifying factor that would relate to why a person would become possessed.
In other words, we cannot say, you see that person over there, they're the perfect candidate to be possessed.
Well, what I would say to the audience and everyone is the best protection against that kind of thing is a life of prayer and virtue, and particularly the sacraments.
And we have in the Eastern Orthodox Church a mantra.
You would call it a mantra.
It's a prayer that goes, Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
You say that like thousands of times, and you start to feel peace around you, and demons cannot come around the name of Christ.
So just basically a life of virtue, sanctity, and prayer, and you should all be okay.
Jason in Napperville, Illinois asks, are there certain types of people who are more likely to be possessed, and are there certain situations that would increase the risk or chances of a possession?
That's a really good question.
In other words, would a generally weak person, a drug user, somebody who has already been giving in to a lot of earthly temptations, would that person be more easily possessed, Sergeant?
Well, it's certainly a draw for the demonic, you know, that type of behavior.
But like Father Martin had the study that he had done that we just spoke about, you know, there isn't one particular type of person.
It's not something that we can look at in that way.
Of course, when you're playing with black magic and you're into Satanism, yeah, sure, that would, I would say your chances of becoming possessed are a lot greater than if you aren't involved in something like that.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Sergeant Ralph Sargi.
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Yeah, hi, Sergeant Ralph.
This is Dan in Sacramento.
I was curious to, I wanted to ask you if you had any experience or if you were if it's possible that people that immerse themselves in heavy metal rock music like the real dark negative music, if that's a way to open yourself up to possession or to be oppressed by demonic spirits.
And also, the other, I think the question was kind of answered, is how people can open themselves up to possession or how it happens.
I made this comment at the bottom of the hour, Sergeant.
People who make derisive comments and humor and have to joke about this kind of thing, either that or get angry about the kind of things that you're saying tonight.
What I've noticed is that their comments, ignorant comments, usually come because of fear.
They're afraid, and they're afraid for themselves and their behavior, and they know what they're all about.
West of the Rockies, you're on there with Sergeant Rals Archie.
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Hi.
Hi, Sergeant.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
I just had a question.
Maybe Father Malachi had some dealings with either politicians or maybe some famous people that he had to do any exorcisms on or dealings like that, and I'll hang up and let you answer.
And in it, he seems to think that there's this nationwide cabal, I guess, of ritual magicians.
And I'm wondering if you think that if there's anything to that as far as maybe an increase in demonic possessions being related to the activity of some of these groups, and if you've ever run across any of their, I don't know, I guess, lower-level soldiers, I guess, in your work as a police officer in New York.
As far as my to such a, if you've seen anything that would justify such a suspicion.
And they have the means because of the professional people that they have in there to actually cover their tracks because they have the money, they have the people that are in place to ensure their secrecy.
Now, I know that there's a lot of people out there that don't believe in the Santana conspiracy.
I don't know if it reaches across state lines, but I can tell you that there are a lot of groups operating pretty much in every community.
I have a couple of questions there for the sergeant.
More along the lines of I'm very disturbed by what I'm hearing tonight and some of the misinformation that I feel like is going on out there.
Mr. Sergeant, you had stated earlier tonight that demons enter the body through specific points, the solar plexus, some areas around the top of the head, was that correct?
But would a person possessed, or perfectly possessed, but possessed, seem to somebody like this lady or anybody else who encountered them to be from the devil?
In other words, would they think they might have encountered the devil?