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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - The September 11, 2001 Show

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi Desert, I'm the Great American Southwest.
		This is close to post AM.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, as the case may be across the world, and we will get into international coverage of the night wears on.
		This, of course, is uh post to post AM, and I've like many of you, most of you probably, I've been up since uh early morning, uh without rest, watching the horrific events of the day.
		And I've thought about what to do tonight, all day long, and I have come to the conclusion that I cannot, nor should I, try to out-export CNN or any of the other large outlets.
		You've been getting that all day long since early morning.
		It's still going on now, and I expect days from now it will still be going on.
		The events in New York are just a lot of faxers and emailers to me said, Art, there just aren't words.
		And yet, in radio and broadcasting, we deal in words.
		So I thought perhaps by this time of the night or morning, depending on your time zone, the best thing that I could possibly do would be to essentially open the lines and let all of you speak.
		Instead of just sort of sitting here and speculating, I'll let you speculate.
		There's no expert I could bring that would be more powerful than those CNN and others have had on the air.
		It's just as simple as that.
		So I'm going to open the phone lines here shortly.
		And I'm just going to let America speak to America.
		I know you've got a lot.
		By now, you've got a lot of pent-up feelings.
		I think that's the proper thing for me to do.
		What happened was compared by so many media outlets, you know, to Pearl Harbor.
		It is certainly another day of infamy, but in my opinion, far more dastardly than Pearl Harbor.
		Pearl Harbor, at least, was an attack on the U.S. military.
		This was an attack on U.S. civilians.
		In New York City, earlier today, I happened to speak with the president of our network, and I mean Premier Radio Network, the network that syndicates Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, myself, Mike Reagan, and so many others.
		And when I spoke with him, I asked him if he would be so kind as to come on the air tonight with me for a moment and sort of give us a rough idea of the mood, the feeling, and what's going on in New York.
		And he agreed to come on, even at this late hour in New York.
		And it's a little after one o'clock in the morning in New York, of course.
		So here from New York City is the president of this network, Craig Kitchen.
		Craig, welcome.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where were you when all of this occurred, Craig?
unidentified		I was in a building just above the very popular Radio City Music Hall Marquee.
		And like so many other people in New York City, just starting what we would call just a normal business day when we first heard the news of what really was the first, what we described as accident.
		And certainly thought that after all this time and all that heavy traffic over New York City, that maybe one of those small consumer airplanes, the small civilian airplanes, might have accidentally flown into a tall building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
		I can imagine, though, that would be the first thought, of course, that there had been some tragic accident.
		Sure.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		Certainly the electronic news in New York City and the availability of television newscasts and even the radio broadcasts, you know, very quickly informed us that it was something much more than that, which is why I think so many people in New York City and probably to a lesser extent around the country had their televisions on when we witnessed that just horrific picture that we'll always have in our minds of a commercial airliner just literally going right smack dab into the World Trade Center tower number two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, burned into memories forever more.
		Forever more.
		At the time you would know about this.
		Of course everybody wanted to know what had happened to Rush.
		Where was Rush?
		Because it was right in that time period where all the confusion was going on.
		What, in fact, had happened to Rush?
unidentified		Well, he had long planned to take today as a vacation day and was on a plane on his way to the middle of the country to make an appearance today.
		And his long anticipated vacation day for himself turned into, as you pointed out, many people perceiving that he might not be available or in a place that was safe.
		In reality, he was in an airplane that, like a lot of other aircraft around this country, were forced to land and then had to go about the process of getting himself home, and he eventually did back to a place that he could be on the air the last 30 minutes of the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, I caught a little bit of that program, Craig.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Craig, as it became apparent what had happened in New York, what was it like in the city during the day?
unidentified		The first two hours after the events, from 9.30 to 11.30 or so, was just a real mixture of emotion.
		Certainly people were just caught in amazement, many people crying or in tears or shaking with fear that either people that they knew were in the World Trade Center or that some of the other high-profile buildings in New York City, the Empire State Building, for instance, Rockefeller Center, would be next, if you would, on the list of attacks.
		So there was certainly a great amount of fear, no panic, hushed comments, a lot of hugging.
		One building after another asked the employees of the building to vacate.
		And so the streets were absolutely full of people.
		And again, no panic, a very orderly process.
		Many people, as many as 6 million people, commute onto the island of Manhattan every day.
		And of course, instantly the subways were closed, the trains, the ferries off of the island of Manhattan were closed.
		And so you have this outpouring onto the streets of just millions of people.
		You have the exits off of the island temporarily disconnected.
		And as a result, people sought hotel rooms and apartments and homes of those that they knew on the island so that they had a place to go.
		And so by almost noon New York time, the city had become very quiet again, almost as New York City was on the mute button that you would hold on your television remote control to the extent that there was no subway trains underneath and there was no aircraft overhead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That must have been very, very eerie for New York City.
unidentified		It is disturbingly.
		Even six hours later, in the 6 o'clock hour, which is normally reserved for just the heaviest rush hour, you could see photographers from some of the news press in the middle of the lanes of some of the busiest streets, you know, in Times Square and on 6th Avenue,
		just taking pictures of, if you will, the city 40 or 50 blocks away from what everybody in your audience tonight has seen on television, taking pictures of what will be the only time in Manhattan where nobody was on Avenue of the Americas, not a single car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Really, for the number of millions of Americans who live here, you're right, it's really a stark contrast to what's normal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what kind of day New York City will have later today, your time zone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What will happen in New York?
unidentified		Well, they have suggested that schools will be open tomorrow in Manhattan, that the banks will be open, that businesses will be open.
		In some ways, it almost forces the routine of America to kind of continue.
		Sure.
		But even in hushed terms, you can hear people around Manhattan who are not necessarily ready to go back to do business or to, because it's such a superficial, almost callous-like disrespect for what has gone on literally less than two miles away where we just know that there are potentially thousands of people buried under the rubble of almost 4 million square feet of office space that has just crumbled in front of us today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The President seemed to suggest at the core of his message, perhaps, and that's where they're taking this from, that we can't be defeated by terrorism and will not be defeated by terrorism.
		You know, steel and concrete may be, but we are not.
		And so people from that may be taking the message that they should pick up and continue.
		Craig, I can't thank you enough for coming on the air.
		I wanted to get some sense, since you were right there in the middle of it all, what the city was like tonight, and you gave that to me.
unidentified		Excellent.
		Well, good luck, and I'm very fortunate that you're in a place tonight that Americans all over the country can speak.
		I'm sure that they've listened a whole lot, and I'm sure there's a place for some of the emotion to come across tonight.
		And this is obviously an excellent form, and you're just the person to allow people to share.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Craig.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's Craig Kitchen, president of Premier Radio Networks.
		In New York City.
		And that's exactly what I'm going to do.
		As I said at the top of the show, there's no way I can out, nor will I try to out, experts CNN and the others.
		This is talk radio, and so I'm going to let you all talk.
		Now, I have one caveat to that.
		Any of my guests, previous, present, or for that matter, ones that have not been on yet who would like a word with a national audience, and I'm going to keep it short in every case, are welcome to contact my network office in Medford, Oregon.
		That would be the way to get on the air, and they'll filter the calls there and relay them to me.
		And if I think something is appropriate to put on the air, I will do so.
		My network phone number in Medford, Oregon is area code 541-664-8829.
		Once again, area code 5401-664-8829.
		So if you're somebody who has something to contribute in the category of any of the guests that I've had on over the years, or even those I have not, you're welcome to call that number, and they will screen those calls and pick out what they think is important.
		And perhaps we'll get some of that on the air.
		But by and large, what I'm going to do the night through is to let all of you say what you want to say.
		I can't think of any greater nor more important service right now than to do that in these late hours.
		You have the phone numbers.
		If you don't, we'll give them out shortly.
		So in a moment, we will get underway with all of that.
		Once again, I'm going to assume that my audience is very well aware of what has occurred during the day, so I'm not going to regurgitate all of the facts for you.
		I will get any new information as it breaks on the air.
		But I'm not going to sit here and regurgitate all the horrible facts to you.
		I'm just going to let you speak.
		I think it's the wise thing to do.
		As I listened around, I hardly heard any of that going on.
		So we shall do that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Ark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Binghamton, New York.
		Okay.
		I'm a little ways away from the city.
		I'm not sure if you know exactly whereabouts that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About how far from New York City are you?
unidentified		About two hours.
		Okay.
		I just wanted to say the mood here, even upstate, is unimaginable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a tragedy like this, it hits every one of us, and I think that we go through stages of shock and then maybe anger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For me right now, it's still squarely in the shock category.
unidentified		We have a lot of our National Guard members.
		The lines for donating blood, it's just phenomenal.
		It's like a six-hour wait.
		Even here, it's incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe I'll ask you what I thought I would ask everybody as a general question.
		It's a simple question, straightforward.
		How do you think this will change America?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		We'll definitely remember it forever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but more than that, it has the possibility of changing our lives.
		That the response to this and the sudden knowledge that we are this vulnerable will produce all kinds of things that some will say will threaten freedom.
		Yeah.
		And that's worth considering how much of a trade-off you're willing to make, you know, whether you're willing to sacrifice some of your freedom for more security, because that is what it will come down to.
unidentified		I would be willing to sacrifice more of my freedom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would?
unidentified		Yeah, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the form of what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More security?
unidentified		More security, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More big brother?
unidentified		More big brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I appreciate your call, sir.
		Thank you.
		And, you know, let me ask all of you that.
		How do you think this will change America?
		Because there is indeed going to be a profound change.
		I would like to remind my international listeners that you can reach us, and the following process will help you get to us.
		Canada, of course, can use the U.S. 800 numbers.
		However, if you're outside the U.S.-Canadian areas, you would simply go to my website, artbell.com, and you would go down to Interact on the left-hand side in the yellow area, go to Interact, go to Call-In Numbers, and when you do, you will see codes for almost every country in the world.
		You might try dialing with that code, and then, of course, once you've dialed that code, dial our 800 number, which is toll-free from anywhere in the world.
		It's 800-893-0903.
		That's 800-893-0903.
		Toll-free from anywhere in the world.
		Wall Carline, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Arth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Good morning.
		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Mike calling from Austin, Texas, listening to you on the internet this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		It's been quite a day, to say the least, but I wanted to approach an angle that, well, I think your show is the perfect forum for because I haven't heard anywhere on any of the national media outlets the mere mention, although there's a little buzz on the internet stirring up, about connections with Nostradamus prophecy.
		Yes.
		And specifically, the one that Major Ed Daines tried to remote view a while back that was talking about terror from the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And there's a great number of people that are saying that Nostradamus may have been off on the time.
		As you're probably aware, timelines are the most difficult.
		Right.
		So what they said is a lot of people were talking that perhaps this was indicating a nuclear attack on the new city, terror from the sky, and the man in the blue turban and all of that.
		But I really think that this is what Nostradamus could have been envisioning was a terror from the sky that was visited on us today in the new city.
		I'm pulling up actually a prophecy, not the one that Major Ed Dangs, the one that talked about terror from the sky, but there's one I'll read to you.
		It says, In the city of gold there will be a great thunder, two brothers torn apart by chaos.
		While the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb.
		The third big war will begin when the city is burning.
		And there are a lot of people that are speculating that the two brothers torn apart by chaos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, obviously, the Twin Towers, yes.
		Absolutely.
		All right, got it.
		Thank you.
		Thank you very much.
		Also on my website right now, and let me answer the international line and just say, hold on a moment.
		If you'll check my website, one interesting item, this is all under tonight's guest, and I am tonight's guest.
		There is no specific guest tonight.
		We canceled our guest.
		There's an alternate prophecies.Nostradamus newsgroup.
		And in that newsgroup was the following message.
		Something is going to happen tomorrow.
		This is a witness against everyone on this newsgroup.
		I hate this newsgroup.
		And everyone on it sucks.
		Repent.
		You are all evil liars.
		Do not be so evil and be holy.
		You're going to get me killed because of the truth of my mouth.
		I am not telling you what is going to happen until it does, because an evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign.
		Now that's the message.
		It was meant, I think, originally to be on the 1st of September, or that somebody thought something was going to happen on the 1st of September.
		But then he mentioned in seven days he would be leaving.
		And of course, that brings the date to exactly today.
		So you might take a look at that.
		It's on my website.
		That's something that Keith just dug up.
		And if you go to program, tonight's guest info, and then just once you get there, scroll down.
		There is a link to that newsgroup and that specific message.
		And you might look around yourself and see what you think.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Teresa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Teresa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		From Tennessee.
		Okay.
		It was so eerie.
		Well, I just wanted to say I'm glad that you're on the show tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I was worried that we wouldn't be able to hear Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I should note here, no doubt, some large number of affiliates are off into their own continuing coverage of this.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure even how many affiliates we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably quite a number, though.
unidentified		Well, I'm very glad that you're on tonight.
		It was really strange, the previous caller, about Nastradamas, because I was going to talk about that, but he already covered what everybody else is thinking.
		But my heartfelt thing, my heartfelt thoughts is about the children, the kids, how are they going to see the world now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw a psychiatrist on one of our local Las Vegas channels advising people not to tell the small ones about this at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better just not tell them about it at all.
unidentified		But see, it's been so over the media and everything, it'd be very hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If your child is old enough to sit there and look at a bulletin or a CCNN, then you're probably going to have to say something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But for the very little ones, they're advising you.
unidentified		Well, yeah.
unidentified		I don't have any kids, but I'm just, you know, worried about how they'll feel the day after, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to go a lot further than the day after.
		This is going to be with us always.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That is what we're going to do.
		We're going to pretty much be in open lines all night long, and we're going to just listen to what you have to say.
		I'm sure you're well aware of events as they've taken place in New York now.
		There really are almost no words, and yet you have to find them if you do a radio program.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
		I can hear it coming in the air at night All I want All I want And I've been waiting for this hold up for my life.
		Oh, Lord.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed.
		Good morning.
		As I told you, I'm not going to try and out-expert the experts and the CNNs of the world.
		They're doing a very, very good job of that.
		I thought my job, rather, was to clear the decks, clear the air, and let all of you speak.
		And that's exactly what I'm going to do.
		Up with a word for us in a moment.
		Whitley Streeber, who would like to say something?
		So that's coming right up.
		Stay right there.
		All right.
		I'm not sure what that was.
		All right, everybody.
		You know, I think I'm in shock myself.
		Since early morning, my wife, Ramona, came in and woke me and said, you've got to get up right away.
		That was shortly after 8 o'clock.
		And since then, until now, that's all I've done is watch CNN.
		And it absolutely puts you into a state of shock.
		And that is my current state.
		I'm assessing myself.
		I'm kind of in shock.
		Here from near San Antonio, Texas, is Whitley Streeber, Whitley old friend.
		Hi.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, not too well.
		I would think I'm in shock, too.
		I sat down at my desk this morning right after I got a phone call, I believe, from my brother telling me that this had happened, that the first plane had hit, and at the time, of course, we thought it was an accident.
		Over the course of this day, I learned what it really means to run a news-oriented website, which I've been doing for about a year.
		And we posted, I think, over the course of the day, 40 stories from some of them from the news media, some of them that came in directly to us, and some of them that we picked up here and there.
		And it was an appalling, awesome, just amazingly emotional experience.
		And the calls from New York, from Washington, calls from people who string for our website, people who are just friends.
		It was absolutely amazing.
		Looking at my message boards and seeing this huge, just vast outpouring of what people are saying.
		And there was one story that just did something for me.
		And that is the story from the International Space Station.
		240 miles above the Earth, Frank Cuthbertson and two Russian cosmonauts saw, they could actually see the fires from the World Trade Center.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure they could.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Cuthbertson said this, as we went over Maine, we could see New York City and the smoke from the fires.
		Our prayers and our thoughts go out to all of the people there and everywhere else.
		Incredible, just the vastness of what has happened, that the skyline of the world city has been changed forever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I think I'll ask you what I'm going to ask everybody else tonight.
		A simple question.
		How do you think this will change America?
		Because it will change America.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, in a funny way, it's going to bring us closer together the same way it is in New York.
		I had calls from friends who were talking.
		In one case, someone who was actually in a meeting who was within, just really literally across the street from the World Trade Center and saw the whole thing unfolding.
unidentified		And he said, we will prevail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will prevail.
		I have no doubt about it.
		We will change.
		This will change us from a security point of view, maybe from what we regard as some of our basic freedoms point of view.
		There's going to be that challenge, you know, the security aspect against the freedom aspect.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You know, when I was growing up, my dad was sort of a minor politician, but he was a very devoted American.
		And he used to say never to forget this, that it takes courage to be free, and it takes toughness.
		You've got to be tough to be free.
		And boy, are we learning the truth of those words now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whitley, thank you, my friend.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Whitley Streeber.
		We've been friends for a lot of years now.
		Sure, this is going to change us, but indeed, you bet we'll prevail.
		Oh, you bet we will.
		You know, I've been watching the speculation about who they think did it.
		And they obviously don't know for sure yet who did it.
		Osama bin Laden, maybe.
		But no firm ID yet.
		It was an act of war.
		An absolute act of war.
		In all likelihood, more people died today in New York.
		Still my time zone today.
		Than died at Pearl Harbor.
		Somewhere I have the figures for how many died at Pearl Harbor, and it was over 2,000 soldiers and a far lesser number of civilians.
		So that'll give you an idea of scale.
		And everybody is, of course, comparing this to Pearl Harbor.
		And I guess that's fair.
		This just was a far more cowardly act, in my opinion, because this was actually aimed at civilians, whereas at least in Pearl Harbor, they were after military assets, which is what you do in war.
		That shows you how war has changed.
		On my international line, you're on the air.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm coming from Sydney in Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sydney, yes, ma'am.
unidentified		Yes, of course, for the time difference.
		I'm working in my office here, and of course it's night time over there.
		And I just wanted to say, it's unbelievable.
		Absolutely.
		It's just unbelievable.
		We can't believe it here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the reaction like in Australia?
unidentified		Sadness.
		Incredible sadness.
		We can't believe it.
		I was going to bed last night about 11 and I thought I'd just have a look at the news before I went to bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		They'd just got the first film footage of the first tower.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I woke my husband up and said, oh, you won't believe what's happened.
unidentified		A plane has smashed into one of the twin towers and we just thought it was an accident, you know, a terrible accident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what apparently everybody thought at the time.
unidentified		And then as we were watching this, all of a sudden, bang went the other tower.
		And then we realised, oh, no, no, this is terrorism.
		And not long after that, the news about the Pentagon and then the news about some planes circling the White House.
		And then we were just watching it.
		And then suddenly the first tower collapsed, and then the next tower collapsed.
		It was unbelievable.
		Unbelievable.
		Here in Australia, we're in shock that it's happened.
		And I don't know how the American public are viewing this, but in Australia, the people I've talked to seem to think this is an act of war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is an act of war, yes.
		And I think we view it that way.
		Somewhere here, I've got a recent, yeah, here it is, a Gallup poll.
		I'll let you know what the American people think right now.
		It says more than half, 55% in fact, said they thought Tuesday's attacks represent the beginning of a sustained terrorist campaign against the U.S. that will continue for several weeks or more.
		3 in 10 disagreed.
		Almost 9 in 10 said they considered the attacks an act of war.
		I said 9 in 10.
		Half were very confident in the President's ability to handle the situation.
		Another third somewhat confident.
		Nine in 10 said the attacks were the most tragic events of their lifetime.
		So there you have a quick read on what Americans think.
unidentified		It's terrible.
		It's really terrible.
		And what really shook us here was we've never really had a terrorist attack here in Australia.
		And we just feel so sorry for those people in the airplane.
		And just the way it seemed to have been timed to make sure that there was a maximum amount of police and firemen and emergency personnel that would be there and would be killed in the second.
		They just seem to just aim for maximum amount of casualties.
		And that's the thing that's most shocking here, that someone can just go to work in the morning and that's it for them.
		And it's caused, I don't know if you're aware of here, but we've had a lot happening here with the Afghani and Pakistan refugees constantly trying to get into our country.
		And we actually turned back a boat last week, we refused to let them land.
		And we turned back another two boats and they're actually going to Papua New New Guinea and Nairu to be processed.
		But I mean we weren't really keen on these people coming here in the first place strictly because we already have a policy of a refugee policy through proper channels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, I'm going to have to leave, but I really appreciate your sort of overview of how Australia is taking this.
		I imagine we'll hear from other Australians during the night.
		Thank you, ma'am.
unidentified		All right, thank you, Bob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm still in shock.
		I mean, I've been up all day long since very early morning, and I thought, you know, I should get some sleep.
		And so I went to bed late afternoon, and I tried, and it would not come.
		Sleep would not come.
		Try as I might.
		My mind would not quiet.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good evening, Art.
		Hi.
		This is Jay.
		And I share your shock.
		I thank your caller from Australia for her sympathies also.
		I'm calling from southern Oregon and the beautiful Illinois Valley.
		I did grow up within eyesight of the New York City Skyline, right on Route 3, major channel into the Lincoln Tunnel.
		I feel like I've been up for days after I leaped out of bed this morning to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, at this hour, I sort of realized, self-diagnosed, and I realized I'm in shock.
		I've been in shock all day, just sitting, my eyes glazed, looking at report after report, each one seeming more impossible.
		Just impossible.
unidentified		I didn't plan on commenting on this, but the Internet short took a hit today.
		I didn't have any TV all day, and I had to access the Internet, and it was very difficult to obtain any news, but I did have NPR tuned in.
		I just want to make a couple of comments, and I do have a dream to relate to you that's related.
		Well, my dad was in New York City.
		That was the thrust of my concern this morning was getting to work and getting online where I could try and contact Dad.
		He works on Wall Street.
		Finally, he called me about noon, my time here on the West Coast.
		And he was okay.
		He made it to a hotel, and he was fine, but he was right there.
		I want to mention and answer your question about how this would change the United States.
		And I'm 32 years old.
		My generation has not seen has not had a hands-on or a direct mental contact with any kind of war or death like this.
		The things that we see on the news are half a world away to us and detached.
		And this is, I think, going to affect the younger people in a deep way.
		You know, like when somebody tells me that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm going to hold it there for you.
		I think you're right.
		I think it will affect the young people in a particularly profound way.
		And I'm not sure how it will change them.
		Actually, that's a question I really want to ask all of you tonight.
		How do you think this is going to change America?
		Again, we're going to prevail.
		Make no mistake about that.
		We certainly will.
		But it will change us in many significant, profound ways that will affect all of our lives.
		Simple as that.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, this is Philip in Costa Mesa, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Philip.
unidentified		How you doing?
		Well, that's a really bad question right about now.
		It's really in shock about the whole everything, everything about this whole day.
		I was at work all day, and so I heard nothing but audio of the entire event of the day.
		And when I got home this afternoon, I am in shock.
		That's as puny as the English language is, it's the only word that comes to mind.
		It's just terrible.
		Absolutely terrible.
		I have to say one thing, though.
		It almost seems, it is absolutely systematic the way the events occurred today.
		And I feel a great disservice being done to being said right now in the city of Los Angeles, where they are, for the most part, saying all is calm, all is good, everything's safe.
		If indeed, as we saw, the occurrences of the day reveal themselves for them to come out and say that as a city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, isn't really the message of this the real message?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing is safe.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		And I feel there's a great disservice being done.
		And I'm just speaking for the city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're probably trying to keep the city of Los Angeles calm, and so I understand that.
		They're saying you are immediately safe.
		I guess they're probably not saying in the larger way everything is safe, because that's ludicrous.
unidentified		Right, absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		And I think it can be truly misconstrued or misunderstood by the general populace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
unidentified		Yeah, it's, but I think, again, I almost completely expect new attacks tomorrow.
		It just is something.
		I have to share something with you similar to the caller before.
		I went through a very, very deep anxiety the latter part of last week, and I could not pinpoint it on anything.
		I would say to a degree, I have had cir certain abilities, so to speak, certain feelings, absolute dreams that have come true.
		And if this goes hand in hand with any of the feelings and dreams I've had before, it's not going to stop after today's events.
		It's just a real terrible, raw, just nagging feeling.
		But again, collectively as a nation, no matter how bad those things, it could have been something nuclear for the most part.
		It was for the most part conventional.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know if I had to bring this up, but I got a call from one of my previous guests, Harvey Wasserman.
		And he's talked to us about things nuclear in the past.
		And he said, actually, Art, we should be counting our lucky stars that they did not target one of the U.S. nuclear facilities.
		They certainly would be vulnerable, obviously, to this kind of attack, you know, a nuclear power plant, something like that.
		As vulnerable as the Twin Towers, at least.
		So we've all got a lot of thinking to do about how this is going to change us, and it will change us.
		We will begin to take actions and security measures that Americans are not used to seeing.
		Americans are not.
		You know, you travel in a lot of other parts of the world, and you see people routinely with machine guns and soldiers routinely in the streets.
		Travel to Israel.
		You would be absolutely amazed at what the atmosphere is like in Israel.
		Now, it's very casual.
		I would call it casual with arms everywhere.
		Just about everybody you pass in the street, or at least every other person, carries a gun.
		And Americans are just not used to seeing that, other than on the hip of our domestic police.
		Well, obviously, the military is going to get involved, and we are going to see things we're not used to seeing, and we're going to, some of us, I think, feel infringed upon, our freedoms infringed upon as a result of the security that we're going to have to have.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Don't know what is on here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are.
unidentified		This is Sean from South Dakota.
		Yes, Sean.
		I got a couple of things just kind of throw into the mix here a little bit.
		Sure.
		I think with putting airplanes back in the air tomorrow or later today, I think it may be a big mistake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, last I heard, they said at least until noon tomorrow.
		The at least part being, I think, important.
		In other words, I sort of feel that they will extend that.
		I kind of doubt they'll let planes back in the air at noon, but they might.
		You never know.
unidentified		Yeah, I think they need to kind of take a couple steps back on this one and figure out what they want to do.
		something else i was trying to figure out is why they would not uh...
		declare a national emergency on something like that especially when you have no idea if the airplane that's final your house is going to crash into uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		the business or a crash into a military facility here However, it may well be, thank you very much for the call.
		We're running toward the top of the hour.
		It may be that the behavior of the American people is so appropriate that they don't need to declare martial law.
		And that's the way I guess I would like to think of it, that all of you are acting in a rather appropriate, shocked, albeit, but appropriate manner.
		And so the authorities have not felt the need for that yet.
unidentified		That's something to kind of mull over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's something good, something on our side on a very, very bad day.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anybody see Yaster Arafat out there?
		Arafat sort of expressing condolences and big Arafat crocodile tears?
		What a bunch of crap.
		He doesn't represent the Palestinian people.
		I saw the Palestinian people during the day, and he certainly doesn't represent them.
		All right, in a moment, we're going to hear from perhaps a series of people.
		Major Ed Dames has got some news for us, so we'll get to all of that in a moment.
		I'm Art Bell.
		The only thing Lear Financial would like to say to you all this morning Is, again, they would like to join others in expressing their condolences for what has occurred today to America and to Americans.
		A very profoundly sad day for all of us, and a day that I think continues in sort of a state of shock.
		It certainly does for me.
		So, from Lear Financial, condolences.
		One of the men who brought remote viewing out of the U.S. military was Major Ed Dames.
		He's a frequent guest of mine, was due to be on this week, as a matter of fact.
		He's in the Hawaiian Islands, and here's Ed Dames.
		Major Dames, welcome.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
		I want to be terse and succinct, and to the point here, most of your listeners know who I am, so I don't think there's any need to go in the background.
		What I wanted to say was for the last 12 hours, the best remote viewers in the world have been working on locating the command and control authority for today's attack, and we have now pinpointed that.
		So I'd like to give you and your listeners that information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know where the origins of the attack?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We have a pinpoint location on the controlling authority.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We are the best in the business.
		And it's not risk-taking when you do that.
		It's very high competence.
		This is the kind of thing we did for the Department of Defense and the Defense Intelligence Agency.
		I was the operations and training officer for the unit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You go right ahead, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		The Technical Remote Viewing Institute is very closely associated with the Matrix Intelligence Agency.
		MIA is a civilian intelligence collection company.
		It has as its assets a number of things.
		It's a think tanks think tank.
		And it has some of the best remote viewers in the world working for it.
		I've not talked much about it, if at all.
		But its assets are the ones that supplied the sketch that you have in your hand so that I facts to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to explain to people what it is?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm going to explain what it is.
		The sketch is of a domed mausoleum.
		This is Ahmad Shah Durrani's tomb in the city of Kandahar, Afghanistan.
		Inside that tomb is an entrance, a secret entrance, to a series of bunkers, two levels of bunkers that extend out and away from the tomb itself.
		But the entrance is inside Ahmad Shah Durrani's tomb.
		You go in there, go down two levels, and there is a bunker.
		In that bunker, this entire attack was planned and executed by two individuals.
		Now, we don't know who the individuals are.
		We can surmise, of course, who they may be.
		But we do not have that information.
		But the attack was planned and executed from that bunker underneath and outside of Ahmad Shah Durrani's tomb in the city of Kandahar, Afghanistan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I notice what I have here, Ed, is in what you sent me, I see a series of notes that must be the notes of the remote viewers who are doing this.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That is it.
		Those notes are of one individual, Aaron Donahue.
		Those are his notes.
		You need not look at the notes.
		They probably would not mean a lot to you.
		But the sketch itself is important.
		And it is precise.
		It's the same kind of precision that we use to support Delta Force and others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So Kandahar.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Kandahar in Afghanistan, southern Afghanistan, and that bunker complex is two levels below that tomb.
		The tomb dominates the city of Kandahar.
		The tomb, Ahmad Shah Aztur, he was the first emir of Afghanistan, and he laid the city out.
		That's his tomb right there.
		It's very big, very beautiful, and impressive.
		Probably as impressive as the World Trade Towers were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will get this sketch with your permission up on the website.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And is that all right to do?
		Yes.
		Please be my guest.
		And we are now turning our attention to any other targets that are outstanding that this Command and Control Center, this authorizing authority, has on its plate.
		We want to see if there are any more targets that have not been hit.
		And that's what we're turning our attention to now, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, when you get news on that, get hold of me right away, and I'll get you on the air.
		In the meantime, a lot of people are emailing me and saying, well, why didn't the remote viewers know this was going to happen?
		Remote viewers are not psychics.
		They are people who look at specific targets.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We have to turn our attention to something.
		In fact, our attention was on the Chandra Levy murderer.
		We were looking for the murderer himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you have news on that.
		And when we do a program, Ed, we'll get that on the air.
		In the meantime, thank you so much for what you did tonight.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		A pleasure, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That's Ed Dames in the Hawaiian Islands.
		And he did provide me with a sketch that shows a bunker.
		It's a pretty detailed sketch.
		And for the record, we will forward this to the website and try to get some sort of representation of it up on the website.
		Maybe it can be scanned and put in from there.
		Or maybe I'm going to have to scan it here to get enough detail.
		Too many generations of tax machines, and pretty soon you have just a big mush.
		On the international line, you are on the air.
		Hello, where are you, please?
unidentified		Yes, I'm in Taiwan.
unidentified		I'm Brian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Brian.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm an American who's been living overseas here for about 12 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder when and how the news reached you and how prolific a story it is in Taiwan.
unidentified		Well, it was, I guess, about a half hour after the event started.
		Someone called me on my cell phone as I was driving home from a friend's house and said, you know, get to the TV now.
		Which I did.
		I do not have cable.
		I just get the local channels.
		All three local channels, all they were doing was playing CNN feed and commenting over it in Chinese.
		Until I went to bed about 3 in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think.
unidentified		I'm 12 hours different from East Coast hunt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		I think most of the world probably, if they had access to CNN, spent the day in shock watching CNN.
		It just got worse and worse.
unidentified		Yes.
		Going into work in the morning, everyone was, you know, we're so sorry.
		We're so sorry.
		We can't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's dominating the news in Taiwan?
unidentified		Yes.
		One of the channels right now is still, that's all it's rock.
		All the sitcoms, the soap operas, all it's running is news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for your information, that is predominantly what's occurring here as well.
		Just about all normal programming is suspended.
		All right, well, listen, I think it must be a rough time to be away from America.
unidentified		A very difficult time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for your call, and take care.
		Taiwan.
		And again, the way that you can make it to us internationally is to get hold of the AT ⁇ T operator or partake of the information on my website, artbell.com, where you can get a list of telephone numbers, access numbers worldwide, and then dial us at 800-893-0903.
		It is a toll-free call.
		Open lines tonight.
		That's what we're doing.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, kind of in shock, to be honest with you.
unidentified		Yep, me too.
		My name is Ray.
		I'm in southeast Missouri.
		Yes, sir.
		I don't know.
		You know, why didn't the radio controllers is what I was wondering.
		Why didn't somebody have a better handle on this?
		I kind of feel like the country was let down kind of by our national control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, I'm told the following, that the transponders on the aircraft involved did not transmit the secret code, the four-digit code, meaning there was hijacking underway.
		Now, that would indicate to me that the takeover was very fast and very complete, and that the hijackers had people capable of piloting those planes to their doom.
		And so there never was a chance for anybody to do anything.
		That's what you would have to presume, because they can send out a four-digit transponder code that says, hey, hijacking underway.
		Even if they don't say anything.
		So it had to be that fast.
unidentified		That's terrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The whole thing is terrible, sir.
		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		On my international line, you're on the air.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		I'm calling from Morelia, Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Yes.
		My name.
		Do I give you my first name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, yes, that's fine.
unidentified		My name is Eli.
unidentified		I've been listening to you, and I've been watching CNN most of the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in Mexico is that, by the way?
unidentified		Morelia is central Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Central.
unidentified		It's exactly halfway between Guadalajara and Mexico City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		I am a Canadian living here, and I've been living here for over two years.
		I teach in a bilingual school, and in our school this morning, we had the news, the first thing that happened, and the kids and teachers have been devastated.
		Mexico is in total shock, to put it bluntly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're so correct.
		Everybody's in shock, I guess, and I'm beginning to find out that seems to be the case worldwide.
		Mexican television and media, since you're bilingual, you can certainly tell us how the media is reacting there.
unidentified		They're reporting it exactly the way it's happening.
		And English and Spanish television is right to the second.
		And the expression is, like I just said, total shock, dismay.
		They can't believe that such a horrendous thing would happen in this modern day and age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I know that you are an American living there.
		No, you said Canadian.
		When you hear, though, that the Mexican border with the U.S. has been closed, and the Canadian border with the U.S., I'm not sure what the status of that is.
		I imagine it's very close to how does that make you feel being down in middle Mexico and hearing all of that and knowing that you really couldn't come home if you wanted to?
unidentified		Well, right now I have Mexico as my home, but what I feel is I have a tremendous amount of empathy for the Americans because I feel the United States as a home.
		It's almost the same as in Canada with very, very little difference.
		The only difference is in the government.
		Other than that, our cultures are almost basically the same.
		Language is the same.
		So we are sister countries and Mexico is a sister country to the United States as well.
		And we all depend on one another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's all the way from central Mexico.
		And again, that's our international line.
		You can get the code if you're out in some other country.
		And dial our number, our 800 number.
		Dial that code on the website first at artbell.com and or get hold of the ATT operator and have her call 800-893-0903.
		That's 800-893-0903, toll-free from anywhere in the world.
		Wildcard line, you're on here.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		My name is Matthew.
		I'm from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
		Yes, sir.
		You were saying that you were asking the people how do they feel towards the U.S., right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, not so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was asking Americans specifically how they thought it would change America, and it is going to change us, but it's probably going to change you, too.
unidentified		That's what I meant to say.
unidentified		I'm just a little nervous, sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most of the international flights coming across the Atlantic, I believe all actually, were diverted to your country.
unidentified		Well, we had 15 land in the city today and 1,500 passengers arriving.
		And it's changed our country a lot.
		Our border crossing was open, but it's the first time I've ever seen snipers on the top of our border crossing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Snipers?
unidentified		There were snipers on top of the border crossing.
unidentified		On top of the buildings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		I could not believe that.
unidentified		I've listened to your show for years, and this is the first time I ever felt like I needed to call in, just to get this off my chest, because it's a world-changing thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you been just sort of sitting watching it unfold all day long?
unidentified		I've been watching TV all day today.
unidentified		Luckily, I had today off work, and that's on, like, you know, I usually not want to watch TV, but I've been in front of it all day watching CNN, our local stations, to see what's happening in our airport because of all the flights coming here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, our airport here, like all over the country, they're all closed.
unidentified		Yeah, ours open at noon tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so they're saying.
		I think we may not have heard the last word on that.
		They may open at noon or they may not.
		They may not.
		I appreciate the calls.
		Listen, if I were to make a guess, I would say they probably will not open.
		But that's only my guess.
		I would think they would extend that.
		I don't think anybody wants major airliners in the air crisscrossing the skies of the U.S. and Canada right now at all.
		But a final word on that, I suppose, will be forthcoming.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In shock, sir.
unidentified		My name is To.
unidentified		I'd rather not say where I am calling from here in the East, but I do have some, I am psychic, and I do have some information I'd like to share with you quickly if you want to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think a lot of the people would say, if you were psychic, why didn't you share with us this was going to happen?
unidentified		Actually, I do have a major view that I feel like I have to tell.
		Friday, I believe there will be subway explosions, and I believe the government will retaliate us late Saturday night, Sunday morning.
		This is going to be a very long, very long process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's her.
		I appreciate the call.
		But again, I think people would ask, where were you before this happened?
		Psychics are supposed to be exactly that psychic.
		Now, of course, one has no way of knowing what all the psychics of the world either picked up or did not pick up.
		There's no way we can all know that.
		But there was nothing major that I'm aware of.
		As you know, I'm in this field pretty heavily, and if any specific dire prediction had been made, I should have been aware of it.
		On my international line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sort of in shock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Sacramento, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on our international line for some reason.
unidentified		I am the young lady who had friends that were killed this weekend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, in the Sacramento killings.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
		Well, you know, I don't know if the nation's aware.
		Certainly some of the country is aware that there was a reign of absolute terror in Sacramento as a man went on a rampage going after supervisors of the company from which he'd been fired.
		And I guess your husband was one of those supervisors, correct?
unidentified		Yes, he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you were in hiding, and you had emailed me, and I was going to get you on the air and have you talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But now all of a sudden we have tragedy on top of tragedy.
unidentified		Unfortunately, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you are now safe, and the nightmare for you, personal nightmare anyway, is over.
unidentified		Yes.
		The suspect and the four friends that were killed were all good friends of ours.
		I was a previous Burns supervisor.
		I don't work for Burns anymore.
		But it is tragedy upon tragedy.
		We're finally getting in the funeral arrangements for a few of them.
		And they've directly affected my husband because my husband's two of them were co-workers of his.
		One was co-worker's daughter and the other one was the husband of a co-worker that were both killed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's so hard to understand that kind of violence or the kind of violence that has just gone on in New York City.
		It's I used to call them head shakers.
		There's no way to understand why somebody would do what that man did in Sacramento and what those persons did to New York City.
		It's not something you can fathom, really.
unidentified		You ask yourself why.
		And there's no answer.
		Because there can't be an answer.
		We don't know why Joe snapped.
		We don't know why he killed our friends.
		You just don't have answers for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, I'm glad your personal nightmare is over, and I'm glad you got through on the phone.
unidentified		Thank you, Horace.
		Thank you.
		God bless.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That young lady was very nearly a victim of the Sacramento killings.
		They were after her, and they were after her husband.
		She was in hiding.
		and i was going to allow you to speak or allow her to speak to you tonight uh...
unidentified		but in view of course of what's occurred uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, here I am, shaking my head.
		This kind of violence, maybe that's another worthwhile topic.
		This kind of violence.
		I mean, people understand, horrific as it was, dastardly as it was, you understand what happened at Pearl Harbor.
		The Japanese hit us as hard as they could in what we now understand as real war in order to prevent us projecting power into the Pacific, and they hit our armed forces in Hawaii.
		That to me is dastardly, but it's understandable in a war.
		This going after civilians, women, children, office workers, policemen, firemen, this is far worse.
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		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All we're doing this day is letting you reflect on the events of the day, and they have been very serious, profound events for the United States of America, for all of us.
		So we will continue doing that.
		Stay right where you are.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Oh my God, CNN is showing...
		They're showing some scenes now with lights at night of the devastation in New York at the base of the buildings or close to the base of the buildings.
		And you just cannot imagine anything as horrific as this.
		I don't think it's sinking in all the way.
		For me, it still hasn't.
		We're going to talk to a variety of people, mostly you, throughout the night tonight.
		I thought it the wisest thing to do.
		The parade of experts on CNN is unbeatable and elsewhere, other media outlets, and we'll have some of those, but for the most part, I'm going to hold it to all of you.
		Here is one of my previous guests, Howard Weinstein.
		Howard, welcome.
unidentified		Hello, Lord.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in shock, as I guess everybody.
unidentified		As we all are, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are your thoughts on all of this?
unidentified		Well, my thoughts are I was on my way to work this morning.
		I caught what was going on on the radio.
		I presently live just north of Philadelphia, and I was going into New Jersey.
		When I heard what happened, I instantly turned around and came back home.
		I have a daughter who attends school in Washington, D.C. That was not in my mind at the present, but she works two blocks from the Pentagon and attends school there.
		So anyway, she is safe, thank God.
		My son is here at school in Philadelphia.
		But of course, my thoughts went out to, well, as we can see on CNN now, the surface Navy is being shown, out to what the Navy was doing as far as response to what was going on.
		And as we know, surface forces have been deployed along the East Coast, especially up near Montauk Point in Long Island Sound and around the New York area.
		And I obviously was able to get through on the telephone with some of my friends who are still in the submarine force.
		I'm no longer in the submarine service.
		But I can tell you that no one is getting near New London, Connecticut.
		The boats are vigilant, they're on duty, and they are properly deployed.
		That's a quote from a high-ranking Navy officer.
		The boats, basically, when there's a problem, you know, the United States Navy puts to sea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Howard, the majority of the American people, about 55%, think that it's not over, that there's more coming.
unidentified		I unfortunately have to agree.
		I unfortunately have to agree.
		I may have been exposed to a little bit more information than some people, but what we're getting on CNN is pretty good.
		I've got CNN on mute in front of me.
		I've got you on AM muted.
		And then I've brought down the old Zenith Transoceanic.
		And I've been listening to the BBC and Cole Yisrael Ale on shortwave.
		It's amazing how I think we have forgotten the friends that we do have in the world and the way that they are responding to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you have to wonder.
		You can see what's going on, and we're all immersed in the shock of what has occurred and is occurring.
		But behind the scenes, at the highest government levels, I wonder what's really happening.
unidentified		From previous experience, I can tell you now that plans are being made to take care of this problem quickly because the people of the United States demand it.
		And it's the only thing we have must.
		This is how we have to respond.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Earlier today, there were scenes in Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, of what some were speculating was a U.S. attack.
		And I looked at it, and I saw some rockets and the rest of it.
		And I said, no, if it was us, it would be a lot more than this.
unidentified		I can agree with you.
unidentified		That attack was not executed in the style that we would do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you expect some sort of action, though, on that front fairly rapidly?
unidentified		I would say within 72 hours, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really want to thank you for calling Howard, for getting in touch with me, and I'm glad I put you on the air.
unidentified		Well, Art, thank you very much, and we'll be standing by here, and Godspeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		On my international line, you're on the air.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you there?
		No, I can't hear you.
		Hold on.
		Maybe you're over here.
		Okay, go ahead.
unidentified		I am in the Philippines.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now I've got you in the Philippines, all right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		So far, everyone over here, well, I had one negative comment, but everyone has been very supportive.
		Filipinos are typically very pro-American.
		And like I say, I've only had one really negative comment that, you know, was kind of out of leftist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you, might I ask, are you an American in the Philippines as a civilian or military?
unidentified		Civilian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a civilian?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you live as your home in the Philippines or what?
unidentified		Yes, I've been here for four years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's it like being that far away from America, your home, at a time like this?
unidentified		Actually, it's very difficult because you tend to want to, of course, the area that I'm from in the Midwest, I'm pretty far removed from everything, so it wouldn't be a whole lot that I could do to help.
		But your heart goes out to your fellow Americans.
		It's very difficult to see people that you share a heritage with going through something like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as you know, there is a fairly extensive amount of anti-American sentiment in the Philippines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder what sort of reactions are coming from that sector, the terrorist group in the Philippines.
unidentified		Well, yeah, there is a strong Muslim faction in southern Philippines, the Abu Saif.
		Yes.
		And, yeah, of course, anything that what they consider, I guess, the homeland or the headquarters for Muslim activity, anything that they do, of course, is applauded just completely.
		They get behind it completely.
		So as far as any, the Abu Sayyaf, they don't really have much access to radio or television networks.
		So of course they're being hunted over here.
		So it's not where they can come in and give interviews and applaud what has happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it that this is generally being followed almost non-stop in the Philippines as it is here in the U.S. Yes, it is being followed.
unidentified		We do have CNN.
		We do have three U.S. channels here.
		And they do pipe in other, you know, like ABC, CBS news.
		But they have been following it pretty closely on some of the local Philippine channels.
		But CNN is probably the biggest leader of information over here.
		And of course, since I'm an American, a lot of my Filipino friends have been calling me for updates.
		And so I've been listening to your show, and I've got CNN and some other things going here in my office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you've got CNN, you're getting plenty of updates, that's for sure.
unidentified		Did you see the interview here a few hours ago, I think it was around 9 or 10 o'clock, with someone who said that Mrs. Olson, the Solicitor General's wife, was able to call her husband two times from the plane?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		Yes, she was.
		And she told him exactly what was going on.
		They were all herded into the back of the plane.
		And actually, there were a number of calls, not just hers, but there were some others as well.
		Relatives who actually picked up the telephone in the seat in front of them, and that system was still operating.
		So they were calling relatives, basically, and saying, I love you and goodbye.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty rough stuff.
unidentified		That was very rough.
		You know, what I was saying before about the one negative comment, there was one guy.
		He's generally got a bad attitude anyway.
		And he, of course, he's heard about the comparison of this to Pearl Harbor, and as everyone has.
		And his comment was, well, looks like they're kicking your butt like the Japanese did.
		I looked at him, and there were a lot of people standing around.
		And I said, yeah, but you remember what we did to the Japanese.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, you should have perhaps reminded him of the way it turned out.
		Right.
		I sure appreciate your call, sir, all the way from the Philippines.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		So as you can see, it's being followed around the world as it is here.
		The financial markets are in a deep dive in Asia and in Europe.
		And of course, our financial markets are closed.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Now you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hey.
unidentified		I'm listening to you on Talk Radio at 9.50 a.m. here in Lewiston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here in where, sir?
unidentified		Lewiston, Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lewiston, yes, sir.
unidentified		We feel the same way everybody else does.
		Just like blew our socks off and, you know, in disbelief for the first 30 minutes or so.
		But now that everything has come in, you know, it's pretty hard to deny.
		I mean, there's nothing fake about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think there's more to come or do you think this is it?
unidentified		I think there's more to come.
		I really do.
		I think that once airlines get started again, it might be a couple of months, but something's going to surface again.
		Definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		When you look at some of the interviews that have been done during the day on CNN, Tom Clancy was a repetitive interview because he's written of things like this.
		But he said, you know, as much as you can sit down and write stories about this sort of thing, in the end, you can't write anything as horrific as what has happened.
		And this is just beyond belief.
		That this could have been accomplished by four separate groups of perhaps three with nothing more than knives is just the whole thing suspends belief.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		I just wanted to comment on one of the questions you've been asking over the night, and that is how we're going to change as a people after this event.
		And I find myself rather, I'm trying to choose my words carefully here, to say the least, irritated, not necessarily by you, but by hearing that same sentiment from a number of people.
		I find it too passive to say that we're going to be affected by what has happened.
		And I find it rather irritating to find that more people aren't choosing to be affected and how they're going to be affected by what has happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Part of the problem, I think, is if you're looking for reaction, it's hard to have reaction until you really understand for sure who did this to us.
		And then you will see, I think, the shock that people are in right now convert to anger.
		But that time is not yet.
unidentified		Yes, but the major thing that I think people need to consider is that we can choose how to react to this.
		And one of the fears that I have for the American people right now is that they're going to choose to react with violence against those of Middle Eastern descent.
		And I would like to think that we can be better than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can be better than that.
		We are better than that.
		Although, if we do determine who did it, I think their time on earth is about over.
		Yes.
		I appreciate your call Andrew's sentiment.
		You're exactly right, of course.
		You know, there will be, I suppose, because there always has been in this sort of thing, look at the Japanese internment camps in World War II.
		So that sentiment is going to be out there.
		He's absolutely right.
		We can choose to react in a restrained, but yet prepared to be extremely forceful way, if you follow me.
		I would choose not to jump out and say we ought to be attacking anybody yet because I don't think it has been revealed to us yet who it is that we should be angry with.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Missing Learjet Tim from Cole, Coberta, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Totally shocked at what happened today.
		It's still hard to believe the video that you see on CNN and whatnot.
		A lot of blood donors up here in Canada giving blood even as they speak.
		A lot of the airports, especially in eastern Canada, St. John's, Newfoundland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our local television here, sir, said there were waits of four hours to give blood in Las Vegas.
unidentified		It's just a fantastic response.
		The wait, though I know hotels, I was talking to a friend in St. John's, Newfoundland, the hotels are all booked up with the transatlantic flights that are down parking there waiting.
		I was thinking today when I was listening to the news broadcast that all these different 911 calls that were coming in and the cell phone calls on the ninth month of the 11th day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That's strange, very strange.
		But you know, as of tonight, I live on the airbase.
		My wife's in the Air Force has said this before, but we have jets on the ramp here ready for the Northern Airspace.
		Totally prepared.
		This is a NATO thing.
		The Pentagon was attacked.
		We're supporting LA in NATO.
		We both are.
		And as your little brother up here in Canada, as of tonight, I'm dropping Canadian.
		I'm saying I'm a North American.
		And I'm behind you guys 100%.
		We're in this together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
unidentified		Have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		It was kind of eerie here today where I am.
		We're in the flight path from McCarran Airport toward San Francisco, and there's normally a pretty steady stream of civilian aircraft passing overhead.
		And I'm sure all of you probably felt this today, to look into the sky and not see the contrails and not hear the aircraft.
		And the skies went so quiet as they remain now.
unidentified		Really weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really weird.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, well, I'm here.
unidentified		Yeah.
		My name's Tony.
		I'm calling from Georgia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Tony.
unidentified		I'm 19 years old, and I thought I would bring a younger point of view to the table.
		I just, my whole life, I thought that America was just, you know, it couldn't be harmed, you know.
		And now America's changed.
		It's definitely going to be changed.
		The president said that the light was going to shine on, and it's going to shine on, but, you know, our hearts are dim.
		Everybody was affected by it.
		And it's hard to deal with because I feel like I want to do something, and I don't know what to do, and I don't know if I can do anything, but I just, it hurts to know that there's people out there that can do that.
		And that I thought that, you know, America was just, you know, it couldn't be harmed and to see the damage that can be caused by people that don't care.
		I don't know how to deal with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would imagine a lot of young people probably feel about the way you do.
		Certainly in your lifetime, we've always had the feeling that we're invulnerable, haven't we?
		That really is true.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm thinking very seriously about signing up for the Army.
		And I don't know what I'm going to do with my life, but this has changed my life.
		I mean, I feel like I'm awake now.
		I see how fragile life is.
		And I see the things that I haven't seen in this tragedy that's happening and all these people that have lost their lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of a crushing reminder of mortality, even at 19.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That you can be here one instant and gone the next.
unidentified		Earlier caller was talking about how it was going to affect the young people and the younger kids.
		I'm even thinking now about how much they look up to us.
		And when they see hurt in the world, they don't understand it.
		And I could see how that would cause a lot of problems with younger people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i don't understand I never have understood these random killing things.
		And that's the way it seems.
		I mean, it's obviously murder with some sort of terrorist purpose, although I cannot imagine what kind of agenda is forwarded by this kind of act.
		But I mean, it's in the minds of those who did it, obviously, they had their reasons.
		But in my mind, I can't comprehend it.
unidentified		You know, before this happened, I wasn't scared.
		But honestly, I'm scared.
		I don't know what's going to happen next, you know?
		The advances in technology, all they have to do is push a button, you know?
		And I'm scared because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was like the one you made by Mark Bell.
unidentified		I've been drifting on the sea of heartbreak, trying to keep myself ashore for so long.
		For so long.
		Listen to the stranger's story.
		It all went wrong for so long For so long But hold on, hold on, hold on Do what you got.
		So hold on, hold on, hold on.
		Do what you got.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Nevada, I am Art Bell.
		Good morning.
		I decided that I wouldn't try to out-expert the experts tonight.
		CNN's doing a very good job of that, and I'm presuming that most of you, as Americans and otherwise, have been following all of this all day long, as I have.
		I've been up all day, and I'm going to be up almost all night here, I guess, as well, if not all night.
		So I thought the best thing I could do would be to get on the air and just open the lines for all of you to say what you wanted to say and give you some outlet and take the temperature of the nation.
		And that's kind of an interesting topic in itself, isn't it?
		The temperature of the nation right now, taking the temperature.
		It's kind of a degree below normal, a degree or two below normal right now.
		That's shock.
		And that will change.
		But right now, it's hard to get past watching the pictures of this occur from every conceivable angle, as obviously a lot of New Yorkers had camcorders with them.
		And caught the horrific events as they were unfolding.
		And so they've got every conceivable shot of it, and they're showing it again and again and again, as you could well imagine they would.
		And it's just like you're watching some movie with just incredible animation or something.
		It's like it isn't real.
		In a moment, Howard, no, not Howard, but Frank Jones, who's a private security expert and a hostage negotiator, and we'll find out what he knows about all of this.
		Stay right there.
		CNN is running some headlines that are appearing in newspapers around the country.
		The Chicago Tribune saying that our carefree days in America, and I'm paraphrasing, basically are over buried in the gray ash that was once those buildings.
		And I'm sure that's true.
		The earliest question I asked as a general question, and I hold it up to you now for your consideration, is how it's going to change America.
		It is going to change America.
		I don't think that as a nation we're about to cower down and become terrified beyond our ability to act and proceed.
		We will prevail.
		There's no doubt about that.
		But it will also profoundly affect us in many ways.
		And there will be a delicate balancing act going on between our perceived freedoms and the need for security, the obvious need for security.
		There will be an element which will say that it was all orchestrated, of course, they always say that, in order to limit the freedoms that we so cherish.
		I haven't heard from that group yet, but I'm sure that given enough open lines, we will.
		Right now, here is Frank Jones, who is a private security expert and a hostage negotiator.
		Frank, thank you for coming on.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Frank?
unidentified		I am in Atlanta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Atlanta.
unidentified		At present, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been pressed into how many interviews during the day?
unidentified		I have lost count after the initial half dozen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In your capacity, Frank, what is it you can tell us about what happened today that you think we should know or what is yet to happen?
unidentified		Well, I am fortunate enough to be the principal for OGC Consulting Limited.
		We have endeavored for 12 years to provide a very fine-edge in tactical consulting, special operations security, and training, not only domestically but around the world.
		We function in a number of roles and capacities to proactively head off threats of this type for our clients and we consult for government entities, diplomatic entities, as well as corporate entities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well then, maybe you'd be in a great position then to tell everybody how it could possibly be, Frank, that this many people would be involved in this intricate an operation and they pulled it off with knives and airplanes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how could that happen?
unidentified		Well, the typical religious fundamentalist extremist has become much more attuned to the fallacies of security and procedures in the United States.
		We have been literally lulled into a false sense of security at our airports, and everything that I have been screaming for the past several years has now come to fruition.
		It seems that we are, again, just a sleeper the switch in that we seem to focus most of our energies as a nation towards reactive policies as opposed to, again, proactive policies which ODCC favors as a corporation.
		And one of our biggest tasks is to go in with a client and reorient that type of thinking into a mode that it's better to head it off at the pass than to figure out how to recover from the damage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm not sure that exactly answered my question.
		You know, you said there's lax security, but I'm thinking at levels of the FBI, even the CIA, apparently, it's early days because you never hear about these things until later, but right now the word is there was no word.
		There was no intelligence.
		There was no information that this was going to occur.
		There were no leaks.
		Does that seem possible to you?
unidentified		Well, the nature of the strike itself, the word conventional has been bandied about a lot today, and that's exactly what happened.
		If you could wrap this up in a nutshell, they used the KISS formula and kept it simple.
		We were far more prepared for a Kim Bio or nuke type strike than we were for something of such a conventional nature.
		Within the realm of operations of this type and damage of this magnitude, this was a low-budget operation for the perpetrators.
		I think that there was certainly a great learning curve involved, particularly in the area of obtaining pilots so dedicated as to make themselves martyrs that were also not only that radical mindset, but expert aviators in commercial airframe.
		That type of thing is difficult to come by, and everything that we know of through our contacts overseas, and I have upwards of 300 consultants, all with backgrounds in military special operations, as well as what we characterize as the outfit agencies.
		All of our contacts are pointing towards, of course, the bin Laden organization and several faction or splinter groups that answer to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Frank, what good is any terrorist act unless you claim credible credit for having done it and tell the world why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, what cause have you forwarded?
unidentified		Well, they're still in the mode of sitting back and doing their damage assessment.
		They have achieved their objectives, and if I can pass any salts on to the individuals that say, well, this is just the first strike and it's going to continue, this type of action against the United States fits very typical jihad type of MOs.
		They have achieved their objectives.
		Of course, it's clear from the number of airliners hijacked and the targets that were engaged that if you just want to boil it down to simple percentages, they were 75% successful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no agenda or objective beyond the terror itself?
unidentified		Well, in my opinion, the entire nature of this strike was to, again, put America on its heels.
		And that, you know, regardless of your background, that has been achieved.
		But to strike all the selected targets in one virtually simultaneous offensive and not to operate in what might be called waves over an extended period of time is exactly what these people are involved in.
		And I would be extremely surprised if there were any further strikes subsequent to the ones that occurred this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly hope you're correct there.
		The majority of Americans seem to think otherwise.
		I guess that may be a natural reaction.
		I don't know.
unidentified		It is a natural reaction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just don't understand without a claiming of credit and some sort of statement, then how does it forward any agenda other than to have terrorized Americans may be down, but they're certainly not out, and we will prevail, we will continue, and everybody knows, the world knows, when we find out who did it, they'll probably cease to exist rather rapidly.
unidentified		Well, I agree with that.
		And depending on your perspective of when it's appropriate to claim credit, one who is a follower of bin Laden and his tactics, he has already done just that.
		He has been announcing for, you know, in and out of certain media outlets since the beginning of the year that this was the year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that something big was coming.
unidentified		Yeah, Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, Frank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything else that you feel imperative to get on?
unidentified		Well, I certainly hope that we view this in a constructive manner and dedicate more of our attention and assets towards proactive measures and programs.
unidentified		This is something that has to be done, obviously, to react after the fact is not going to increase our security or further our intentions or imperatives overseas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we will certainly improve our security, but it will be to some degree at the expense of our convenience and freedom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so people should be prepared for that, shouldn't they?
unidentified		Certainly.
		And of course, the other aspect of that is proper response in retaliatory strikes, such as the retaliation against Gaddafi and the raid at Tripoli.
		He was effectively neutralized as a terrorist.
		Gaddafi Indian country, of course, was effectively neutralized as a terrorist training and sponsor state.
		And of course, the flip side was as of the late administration, Clinton's administration, was that half-hearted strikes against the former bin Laden camps following the embassy bombings in East Africa.
		It's gotten to the point where we can no longer take satisfaction in making a gesture of retaliation.
		It needs to be down and dirty, neutralize a threat, cut the head off a snake, and then we'll be in a position to sit back and say, well, we don't expect threats of this type to come, certainly come out this way, reach out and touch us again.
		But in my opinion, for what bin Laden has announced all year and the fundamentalist aims of the jihad, he has accomplished exactly what he announced he would do.
		And I would be very surprised if any organization came out after the fact and claimed credit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, he'd be your number one suspect.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Frank, thank you so much for coming on.
unidentified		Certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
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		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, good morning.
		Hello there.
		Calling from Maui.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Maui, Hawaii?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I remembered a short time ago that you mentioned that something was going to happen really big, but you didn't know what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		This was just a very short time.
unidentified		And it happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know my skin was crawling with it, sir.
		I felt it in every fiber of my being, and I told the audience that.
		So you're absolutely right.
unidentified		Sure.
		Yeah, and the thing is, a while ago I was watching on the Discovery Channel about New York, how these buildings were built to withstand even a plane impact.
		And I just found out today that it was proven totally the opposite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you really are bringing up a point that I did want to talk about.
		I've seen the pictures now, today, a million times, like everybody else.
		And I thought, okay, that's horrible.
		But, you know, the buildings look like they're going to stand.
		And I can't exactly understand how they collapsed the way they did.
		Maybe once it began toward the top, it cascaded down upon itself.
		I don't know.
		I'm not a structural engineer.
		But it didn't seem likely that what followed, you know, the collapse of the Twin Towers, it just didn't seem like it was going to happen.
		I suspended all belief when I saw the photos.
		I just couldn't believe it.
		People were talking about, well, there must have been other bombs or something else, but there was not, as I now understand it.
		The aircraft impacts did this alone.
		Incredible stuff.
unidentified		I couldn't believe it myself.
		And, you know, I just went to work.
		I didn't watch the news.
		And people were telling me or asking me, are you from New York?
		Are your family from New York?
		And I said, no, why?
		And they said, oh, something happened.
		These huge buildings just collapsed.
		Four planes hit and da da da da da and all this stuff.
		And I'm like, all right.
		And then during break, I saw this on the news and I said, oh man, is this country, I mean, is this terrorist country declaring war on us because they also hit DC at the same time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is an act of war beyond question.
		And the U.S. has said, I believe, that it will treat Anybody harboring those who did this as it would treat them.
		So clearly, I think it is an act of war, and I think it's a more dastardly one than the attack on Pearl Harbor, because, as I mentioned earlier, what struck me with all the comparisons this morning and all day long to Pearl Harbor was at least the Japanese attempted to attack military targets.
		There will be more lives lost here than there were in Pearl Harbor, and these will be predominantly, of course, civilians, innocent civilians.
		Very cowardly.
unidentified		Yes, and you're right also that there's no place in this world for a terrorist, and they could go join the dinosaur and dinosaur heaven.
unidentified		I certainly don't want to appear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		Well, that's probably the next stage for most Americans.
		Most Americans right now are pretty much like me, in shock, in mourning.
		To imagine that many people instantly killed in a cowardly, dastardly, rotten act for a purpose that has not even been articulated.
		Has that occurred to you that the purpose of this attack has not even been mentioned?
		What sort of terrorism is that?
		I don't know.
		If they think they're going to demoralize Americans to the point that the nation will collapse, they're wrong.
		We're not like that.
		I'll tell you how we are.
		We're slow to anger.
		And we are a nation that, when it does finally act, acts with decisiveness and very great force indeed.
		And so that's what will occur.
		And how anybody could imagine it would be otherwise, that we would sit around just crying and mourning and doing nothing.
		What a terrible mistake on the part of the perpetrators.
		We won't do that.
		The minute we know who did this, as I said, they'll be moving on to another world.
		First time caller align, you're on the air.
unidentified		Mr. Bell?
		Yes.
		Hi, my name's TJ from Boyd Yagaho.
		And I basically saw a lot today where they were saying the international terrorist information and everything they should have been on top of this and a lot of blame was being placed on them.
		And then I kind of got through that and I was trying to think where the one point where they had the one plane that was still up in the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you referring to the one that crashed in Pennsylvania?
unidentified		Actually, well, the one that they thought was still up there and then that never turned out at the Pentagon, I guess.
		And I was thinking, even with that coming up and everything, I mean, what would they have done if that built or if it was coming towards the Pentagon?
		Would they have gunned it down and made it air?
		Because, I mean, that still has a lot of civilian miles on it.
		They couldn't take that chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right.
		And you bring up an interesting point, and there's something I want to add here.
		I'm not going to comment beyond just saying that have you noticed that there's very little comment on the Pennsylvania crash?
		You're seeing and hearing almost nothing about it.
unidentified		I wonder why.
		Never got it to say what it could be.
		Never really wanted to see what is the city.
		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		America has been attacked today.
		That's what they're calling it.
		We have been attacked.
		It's an act of war.
		And it is, I think, more tragic, more morally corrupt than the attack on us at Pearl Harbor in every way you can imagine.
		Both in the number of casualties and in the manner of the attack.
		Certainly the manner of the attack is more morally reprehensible than even that awful surprise attack on our military at Pearl Harbor.
		What's going to happen now?
		CNN, I just noted, was running a little bulletin across the bottom suggesting that U.S. legislative members have been told that the U.S. is now reasonably sure it's bin Laden.
		Now, if that turns into certain it's bin Laden, then I think you're going to see some action on our behalf.
		You're going to see the United States begin to do something, and I don't think it's going to be all that many hours before it occurs.
		For them to be running this particular bulletin at this time would indicate to me that they must be awfully sure at the top.
		Of course, do bear in mind that during these kinds of breaking news Situations.
		All kinds of rumors run through the media, so I'm trying to be very cautious in even what I report to you.
		But certainly, that is crawling across the bottom of CNN that U.S. legislators apparently have been told that they're reasonably confident it's bin Laden.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		My name's Becky from Covina, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Becky.
unidentified		Forgive me if this hasn't been brought up yet, or I mean, if it already has, I'd like to see the CIA shut down, because we're told from its inception it's supposed to give our country a heads up against being attacked, and they've never seemed to have accomplished that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not true, Becky.
		They actually have many, many times, and most times you don't hear about it.
		In those cases where they have stopped people bent on some sort of terrorism, you rarely hear about it, only occasionally.
		You don't hear about CIA's successes.
		You just tend to hear about their failures.
		And I wonder why you would suggest such a thing at a time when, if anything, we need more intelligence, particularly more human intel on the ground, not less.
unidentified		Well, another point would be that I think it's pretty well documented that the CIA has had a hand in destabilizing other countries throughout the world and make us a target of hatred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Their countries destabilize other countries as a matter of course.
		We're not the only ones who do that.
		You're certainly aware of that, aren't you?
unidentified		Correct.
		Correct.
		But I think their actions only benefit elitists like Bush.
		And it costs people their lives like in New York City.
		And my heart goes out to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		All right.
		Thank you very much, Becky.
		There's somebody who obviously believes that in some way we got our just desserts for the way we act around the world.
		And I know that that is an opinion that is not in the majority, but is prevalent out there, and you've just heard it.
		That essentially we got what we asked for in the way we behave around the world.
		Well, I don't happen to believe that, and I happen to believe that we need more CIA, not less.
		We certainly need more human intelligence, not less.
		If we lack anything and have since the Carter years, it's enough good human intelligence, real intelligence from the ground.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of in shock, sir, as I've been telling people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Well, right now I'm just about in Zanesville, Ohio on my way to Kansas City.
		Okay.
		Well, actually, what I'd like to do is first tell you, when I first heard about this this morning, I had taken a couple hour nap over in Youngstown, Ohio.
		When I woke up, I turned the radio on, and Howard Stern was on the radio.
		And basically, he was talking about it, and at first I thought it was a joke, and I thought it was kind of like one of these War of the World type things.
		But as time went on and I changed the channel, I noticed everybody else was carrying it.
		What else I wanted to touch on was I was watching a little bit of TV here and there, and they had, nobody had said anything, but there was this guest they had on.
		I can't remember the guy's first name, but his last name was Sick.
		The gentleman was like an advisor to Carter, Reagan, and them.
		And he was basically what he was talking about was, you know, he was talking about Ben Loud and everything, and he says, you know, that's all fine and dandy, but the gentleman there has basically all he's done in the past is car bombs, boat bombs, stuff like that.
		For him to do something like this, number one, would have taken a lot of financial backing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he has a lot of money.
unidentified		Yes.
		And, you know, he basically, what he was saying was, you know, you need to turn some other stones over and look other places.
		And the one guy that was interviewing him basically said, Saddam Hussein, he says, well, I'm not going to say yes or no, but they might want to look there, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as I reported just before you got on the air, CNN's running a little thing now suggesting that our legislators are being told that there's now a reasonable high confidence that it was bin Laden.
unidentified		Okay, do you think he was acting alone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no way to know that, sir.
unidentified		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		There's no way to know that, of course.
		Now, I have seen other statements, as I said earlier, indicating that those who harbor those who perpetrated this act will be treated as those who perpetrated the act.
		You know, America is down but not out.
		Shocked but not defeated.
		And so those who think that they may have America on its knees had best reconsider.
		Something like this does, of course, shock us and sadden us and a state of shock is what I think we're all in right now.
		I know I am.
		But we are not defeated, and they cannot imagine, as they watch the coverage of this, that we are defeated.
		In fact, they should be worried about where they're going to hide, because there will be no place to hide.
		Rest assured, we'll get them.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
		Hello.
		My name is Brandy.
		I'm in East Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Brandon.
unidentified		Way, way, way too close to Oak Ridge National Laboratories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I had a couple of things I wanted to talk about, but first I heard you and another caller were talking about how it is that the towers collapsed.
		I haven't heard much discussion about MSNBC earlier today.
		They said when they built them, they were tested to withstand the largest aircraft at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I had heard, yes.
unidentified		The ones that we have now are bigger.
		And they learned from the bombing in 93 that what they need to do is hit in the middle and then destabilize the middle so that the weight of the top brings it down.
		Plus, there was enough fuel, it was pretty much a flying bomb, and they fly it into it and they start this huge fire.
		And once the temperature gets to 800 or 900 degrees in there, then the structural steel begins to get and that is how that happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then it literally came down upon itself.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		You just get it started and then gravity takes over is what is what they had an engineer on this afternoon I saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's astounding, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I wondered if you'd heard about what the Miami Herald has been reporting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, what are they saying?
unidentified		About the plane in Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are they saying?
unidentified		Vaporized.
		They have the wife of one of the passengers said she'd gotten a cell phone from her husband.
		Apparently he managed to barricade himself into the restroom long enough to call her.
		And he called her and said that they took all the stewardesses into the back and started killing them to get the crew to come out.
		And then they took over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And he said, we're all going to die, but we can't let them do what it is that they want to do.
		So there are three of us who are going to try something.
		And I love you, honey.
		And then he hung up.
		That was the end of the call.
		So I think that early speculation that somebody did something to prevent them from crashing that plane into something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that's clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, obviously it didn't make it to the target.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't think it was a field in Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either the passengers or the pilots or somebody got enough control to crash that thing where they wanted to instead of where it was intended to go, sure.
unidentified		Right, to save some lives.
		But I'm almost 27.
		I don't know if that counts as young people, but I wanted to address that, how it affects young people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're young enough to be able to speak as one who's never seen America really in this situation before.
unidentified		Exactly.
		I called my mother when this first started happening.
		It was just before the Pentagon got hit.
		And she was just, you know, Randy, you need to calm down.
		There's no point in you getting so excited over all this and getting so upset.
		And I said, well, what's the point in, you know, somebody cross the street from the World Trade Center getting upset?
		It doesn't do anybody any good.
		That's not the point.
		The point is, we've spent our whole lives believing that there's a measure of invulnerability in the U.S. We've never had an attack, civilians hurt like mad and killed, and the one time that we were invaded, we turned around and blasted the hell out of the ones that did it.
		And we've got borders with friendly people and we try so hard whenever we go to attack somebody not to cause collateral damage and hurt civilians.
		And we try so hard, and that was the entire point.
		They took a plane full of people, full of gas, and crashed them into buildings that were full of people.
		And they knew that those buildings would be full of people.
		And that's why they did it when they did it.
		And I just, I haven't, I've only just about the past few hours gotten to the point where I feel like I can cry.
		You know, I've gotten, I was just stunned and shaking for hours.
		I couldn't, you know, I felt like I should be crying because I did when Oklahoma City got blown up.
		But I just, it's unbelievable.
		Thousands of people.
		They were just at work.
		And some maniac because we, you know, wear blue jeans and we allow girls to run around uncovered and they just come over and blow up people.
		It's just unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree completely with you.
		I haven't been able to cry yet.
		My wife has cried many times today and I haven't been able to cry yet.
		Maybe that's a good thing.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To cry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's a good thing.
unidentified		Yeah, and then find out who did it and hurt them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hurt them.
		Thank you.
		Thank you very much.
		That's what I wanted to do tonight to allow you to hear how Americans are reacting.
		I think that was pretty representative.
		I've seen a lot of people cry today.
		I don't know, I haven't cried yet.
		I internalize these things, which is probably awful for me.
		And it ends up causing a lot of stress.
		And, you know, people react in very different ways to things.
		And I've seen my wife cry many times today, looking at this awful scene and just bursting into tears.
		And somehow I just take it all in and internalize it.
		And I know that's not a good thing.
		On the international line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		In Dunedin, New Zealand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Zealand, all right.
unidentified		Yeah, I just want to express my sympathy and anger for what's happened today.
unidentified		Where I am, it's kind of shocked us all totally and been following it all through the day, and I just can't get over it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it the coverage in New Zealand, and I'm asking everybody overseas about this, is pretty much as it is here, non-stop.
unidentified		Yeah, all the national TV stations have ceased regional broadcasting.
unidentified		It's virtually all CNN, ABC, and BBC, everything from overseas as much as they can get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, actually the BBC is doing It was very interesting.
unidentified		I saw that implode and it was just blew me away.
		I mean, I just caught snippets of it during the day and yeah, it's just so mind-blowing, I can't express it.
		We don't have much in the way of tall buildings here, and yeah, for what's happening over there, it's tragedy of the maximum magnitude.
		I mean, I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think the people of New Zealand imagine will happen next?
unidentified		Oh, that's hard to say.
		I mean, speaking for a whole country and stuff like that.
		I imagine, well, I just caught a bit of Bush's speech earlier and I I sort of take his side of it, you know, just sit back and you know cool their heads for a minute and just instead of just lashing out, you know, just see where it leads us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Americans by far and away want to wait until they fully understand who perpetrated this and who helped, and then they want a response, but not until we understand.
		We don't want to lash out without knowing who to lash out at.
		Yeah, I think everybody agrees on that.
		And I think right now, as I keep saying, we're in shock, and that's going to translate at some point as the hours and days wear on into an awful lot of anger and calls for action.
		Certainly that will occur if there's an identification, an absolute identification of who perpetrated this.
		Then there's going to be a lot of anger all of a sudden, sir.
unidentified		I sympathize with you on the shock, and that I'm still shaking now.
		I've been shaking for about 10 hours over this sort of thing.
		And it's just inconceivable that this could have happened.
		But, you know, as you know, it has.
		So I'm at a loss for words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		At a loss for words.
		That's what a lot of Americans have said.
		And I said it at the beginning of the program, and yet we are in the business of words.
		And so, again, my choice was to come on the air and not hit you with a barrage of experts, but rather to let you express your feelings.
		There hasn't been a lot of that going on today.
		It's been mostly one expert after another, and I'm not suggesting there's anything wrong with that.
		Certainly, CNN has the resources to bring that to you and do it in a fine style.
		What I can bring to you is the word of your fellow citizens.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Mary in Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mary.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, I think it kind of finally hit me tonight when I was standing outside.
		And I know you said it was really quiet over where you're at, but where I'm at, really up high, you can hear the airplanes going by.
		And looking up the direction they're going to, I'm guessing they're probably going up to Minot or Grand Fork.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean obviously all military aircraft.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of movement there, yes.
unidentified		Yes, it's amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of helicopters and military aircraft passing over my location as well.
		But that's it.
		No civilian aircraft.
unidentified		No, but it's still surreal to stand out at this early hour of the morning and hear that going overhead and just realize the impact of what that means.
		And I haven't cried yet today either.
		I'm too busy being angry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it turned to anger for you very quickly then.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		And part of that was reading the Internet tonight.
		Well, not so much anger, but it was really interesting.
		I've been spending this evening looking on the Internet, and people basically, the sentiment has been, sign me up, you know, and a lot of flag icons on a lot of the message boards I check and stuff like that.
		And it's been all real positive, and it's just been unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, listen, I've got a scoot.
		I really sincerely appreciate your call.
		Thank you very much.
		I'm way behind on what I should be doing here, so let me do it, and we'll be right back.
		All right, well, we just barely got that break-in.
		The way it's going, it's easy to forget one and let one slide, and I almost did.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		This is Kat from near San Francisco.
		Yes, sir.
		Long gone far away, I involved myself in what you would call SOG.
		Your military service was such that you were never involved in combat, therefore you never experienced two rather traumatic things.
		The first one is killing at close range, where part of you dies, a very violent death.
		The second one is when someone very near and dear to you dies, and the same thing happens.
		After enough of that, you become very numb, so you don't quite go into shock.
		Unfortunately, our young people today have been very blessed and very spoiled, and they have never had to face the realities of life until now.
		And now it's been brought to them in spades.
		I know this is probably a very unpopular thing to say, but you know, Art, they really need it.
		They need to know what this country is about, what it's for, not all this crap they've been taught.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what is it that they will draw from this that they really need?
unidentified		They need to be more behind the country rather than listening to all the propaganda they have been taught in school.
unidentified		They need to understand that this is something that must be protected, and it's like the old people who formally formed the country said, you must fight for liberty or you lose it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I appreciate your call.
		but in the traditional sense of fighting for our liberties i don't think uh...
		what just happened lies although i think fighting is is it's
unidentified		everywhere i go so if you really love me come on and let it show you know
		i love you i always will my mind's made up by the way that i feel there's no beginning there'll be no end cause all my love you can be done Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and I'm simply trying to give all of you a voice this morning so we have totally open lines.
		I'd like to remind my overseas listeners and callers that you can get to us toll-free.
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		Otherwise, we are discussing what's happening, and it's a very great deal indeed.
		Okay, we're going to go back just to all of you.
		And again, those of you who are out of the country, you know how to reach us.
		I keep emphasizing that.
		It's kind of interesting to get the take from around the world.
		Certainly, there are many Americans scattered around the world who are listening to this broadcast and others trying to catch what news they can.
		I've got a list here of things that are occurring around the country, and it's extensive, about three pages long.
		As you know, the FAA has shut down all airports nationwide.
		That's never happened before.
		The Navy is protecting our East Coast with very tight security and a lot of big naval assets, put it that way.
		Major League Baseball games have all been postponed around the country, state by state.
		I could give it to you.
		There are closings.
		There are stoppages.
		There are the borders are closed.
		The U.S.-Mexican border, I understand, is still closed.
		Air traffic in Canada as well has come to a screeching halt.
		I could go on and on.
		The effects are tremendous.
		But what I'm going to do is go to you.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is William in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, William.
unidentified		Well, it has been one heck of a day.
		I'll use that word instead of the other one.
		Hopefully it is over.
		I hope.
		I'm sure everybody else hopes that, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how many years now have we all been saying it's coming, knowing that it was going to happen, that there would be a major terrorist incident of some sort, something tragic and awful like this, or biological or chemical or something terrible would happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We all knew it was coming, just a matter of when.
unidentified		You mean ever since the Halloween Day massacre of Jimmy Carter, where we don't have any intel left on the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's a problem that needs to be addressed immediately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think now there will be public sentiment to get it done.
unidentified		Well, I'm not sure that too many people know exactly what we're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, the Carter administration decimated our intelligence agency's ability to do what they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And personnel were gone in droves, and that has not yet been fully corrected.
unidentified		No, it certainly hasn't.
		But I did want to call you and let you know that I think everybody in the country is just as you and I are, and we're in a state of shock right now.
		And I pray that your gentleman that does the investigations is correct, the detective agency fella.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it's over, you mean?
unidentified		Yeah, because, but just to be on the safe side, I sure would, I hope you keep in contact with your friend from SciTech.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I certainly will.
unidentified		And just wanted to thank you for your programming and I hope that you and your wife and everybody are okay, and I hope we all have a little prayer in our hearts tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		Thank you very much.
		You know, a lot of people have different views about a higher power, God.
		But I believe in it.
		You know, I certainly believe in a higher power.
		And I believe that prayer works.
		I can say more than that.
		I know prayer works.
		We have done experiments that conclusively prove prayer works.
		And so I think, yeah, prayer would be appropriate.
		So many lives have been lost.
		They're not even talking yet about how many thousands.
		Maybe tens of thousands.
		It was my understanding that 50,000 people on an average workday worked in those buildings, those 110-story buildings that came tumbling down.
		50,000 people.
		On an average day, 100,000 visiting those buildings.
		The Twin Towers.
		100,000 people.
		So they're saying that the number may be more than New York can handle.
		Mayor Giuliani said that, that the number when it's finally known may be more than they can handle.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Richard.
		I'm a truck driver in Waco, Texas, right at the moment.
		Yes, sir.
		Yeah, I thought I'd call you.
		I've been wanting to for several times, but I was down the Mexican border this morning, and we thought we were going to be stuck down there, but they did allow freight to come through the border.
		We was able to get our load to come up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they allowed freight through?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Yes, I was a little bit surprised about that, but we were allowed to get our freight coming across the border, and they kept saying they were going to close the bridge, but they did keep it open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it that foot traffic and normal civilian traffic was not moving through, or was it?
unidentified		Well, it showed on the television down there, because all I could get was Mexican channels, so I don't understand Spanish, but it was showing the bridge and showing people coming across.
unidentified		But they allowed our freight to come through the border.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How early did you come through?
unidentified		Well, I was down there since last night, but my freight crossed over about 3 o'clock this afternoon.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is amazing news.
unidentified		Yeah, I was shocked that it came in, and it was through a Mexican carrier brought it in.
		But I thought I'd kind of try to get on here to get that information through that they were allowing this.
		It surprised me.
		But one of the other things that I thought, bring up, you know, I don't know if you've heard about all the increase in fuel prices today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I understand that in some areas, in a kind of a spotty way, it's as high as $5 per gallon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's probably a normal reaction of supply and demand.
unidentified		Well, this major truck stop, I won't mention the name, but it's got a notice on the door of it telling why they've increased the fuel prices, because they shut down all the refineries and that, and all the ports from letting the fuel come in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm trying to be kind.
		I mean, we're talking about an industry that as the Labor Day holiday begins, prices rise 10 or 20 cents a gallon, and as the weekend ends, the prices go back down again.
		So I'm being probably too charitable, but there is a supply and demand aspect to it for sure.
unidentified		Yes, that's what they're saying is because the supply is going to be low because they've shut down their refineries internally and through the ports, that that's the reason for their fuel increase.
unidentified		But it's definitely going up all over from what we're hearing, what I'm seeing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we could call it an anticipatory increase.
unidentified		That's more what my belief on it.
unidentified		I do think that there might be some half good, although out of all this terrible stuff that's going on today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that would be...
		Well, we have a treaty, as you well know, that allows that trafficking.
		So I suppose under these extraordinary conditions, they'll keep it closed, but for how long, who knows?
unidentified		Yeah, that was all I really had to say, and it was good talking to you, and I wish all the people that had these terrible incidents happen the best, and God be with them all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
		God be with you.
		I can understand.
		Now, that is kind of, in a way, that's a shocking report that he was able to bring an 18-wheeler across his freight at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon from the Mexican border.
		It was my understanding that was closed tighter than a drum.
		And that information would seem to fly in the face of that.
		That's interesting.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, my name's Dave.
		I'm in Omaha, Nebraska.
		Hello, Dave.
		And I was going to make a comment about, you had asked about what the children might think or whatever.
		I'm sure the young ones don't really understand what's going on right now.
		But when they read about this in their history books, I think they're going to be very surprised on the security measures that we lack at the airports, because I think it's going to be totally different by the time they start flying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going to, you know, if they really implement The kind of security that El Al has, for example, everybody's going to have everything searched before they get on any aircraft, and that is going to bring the industry to kind of a crawl because it's going to take a very great deal of time, and it's going to mean a lot of patience on the part of the American people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if history is any teacher, they'll put up with it for a little while, but then they will forget, and then they will get annoyed, and then they will want convenience, and then there's going to be trouble.
unidentified		How strict do you think?
		I guess one of my biggest worry is they talk about going after the people who support this, but my worry is they're going to maybe take out this guy, but then lax off again.
		I'd like to see him stay on any and all terrorist people, not just the one that did this damage, but just flat out say, okay, this is enough.
		This is how we're going to handle it from here on out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we need to understand not just whether or not it was bin Laden that did this, but to what degree he was state-sponsored, to what degree Afghanistan provided him and is providing him with a safe haven.
		We need to understand a lot of this before we respond so that we just don't have, and I don't think that America will be satisfied with some quick surgical strike.
		This was a major act of war against the largest country in the world, and there will be a very serious retaliation.
		And I think Americans expect it.
unidentified		Well, that's all I pretty much wanted to say.
unidentified		I just wanted to know that my prayer goes out to everybody, and I hope things settle down for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
		Take care.
		Yeah, I mean, it's a time for prayer.
		All those souls at once.
		And for what?
		You know, for what?
		Just to terrorize us without some claim of responsibility and some sort of, no doubt from our point of view, insane reason for doing this to affect our national policy in some way.
		That's certainly the kind of thing that you would expect, but just to produce terror without apparent motive is crazy.
		Crazy.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Mr. Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, you just said all those souls, and I just had an image of all those souls.
unidentified		I'm a first-time caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		I wish it was better circumstances, but there was a whole day of watching so much and listening to so much.
		This battery's going to go dead.
		Oh, my gosh, and I have so much to say.
		The building you were talking about, it did look like it fell kind of odd, didn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Wait, there's so much more.
		I think that it has been a terrible waste of life because we might have shot down that Pennsylvania plane, don't you think?
		Like friendly fire to get doing damage?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The thought crossed my mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I must admit, the thought crossed my mind.
unidentified		What is the terrorist version of hell?
unidentified		To be ignored, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, your phone is cutting out now.
unidentified		I know the battery's going dead after we try and on two landlines and two cell phones.
		I was thinking the best way to punish a terrorist would be, I don't know, what's his version of hell.
		That's what I was.
		There's so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I thank you very much for the call.
		Obviously, your phone is beginning to fail you.
		I have no idea what a terrorist hell is.
		Or even if they believe in it.
		I think if it's the people that we suspect it is, that they're in their twisted view, they go to paradise as a result of what they've done.
		Or because of what they've done.
		They will get to go to paradise.
		They will become martyrs and go to paradise.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I can barely hear you, so you're going to have to yell at me a little.
unidentified		Mr. Bell?
		Yes.
		This is Sean in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Sean.
unidentified		And I was just listening to your comments about some of this, and one of the comments I have is if we should capture these guys alive, from what I understand, if we were to like maybe condemn them to death by pigs or dogs or something, they would be denied the opportunity to paradise.
unidentified		And that would be something to scare them, I would think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we don't do that kind of thing.
		That's the difference between them and us.
		We don't do that sort of thing.
		We do have capital punishment, but we don't let dogs tear people apart.
		I guess that is a main observable difference between what they do and what we do.
		We don't kill innocent civilians, or we try not to.
		When we do attack, we try to avoid killing innocents.
		Their whole purpose was to kill innocents.
		It's a big difference, isn't it?
unidentified		Yes, sir, it is.
		And I mean, it's not something we'd ever do, I wouldn't imagine, but, you know, it's just ridiculous how they think they can get away with it.
		And all this is going to send them to paradise and stuff.
		You know what I'm saying?
		But the other thing, real quick, was, I don't have CNN, so I don't know if they've been showing it a lot, but it's been really irritating to me, the people who have been celebrating our misfortune in this country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be the Palestinians.
		And CNN has been showing celebrations going on among the Palestinians.
		It also showed Yasser Arafat crying big crocodile tears and saying how much his condolences go out.
		And it could never be more clear that he is no more in control of his people than the man in the moon.
unidentified		That's true.
unidentified		Well, I appreciate it, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Nor does he represent them in any way, obviously.
		So I don't see how anybody can consider Yasser Arafat to be a person with whom one could bargain.
		Okay, we've got a Canadian pilot who would like to speak with us, and I'll try and get hold of him at the breakpoint here.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Ark.
unidentified		Jason from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, I'm like you, man.
unidentified		I'm kind of numb and just sitting here watching this whole thing unfold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no other way to be.
		If you sat and you watched the whole thing come down on CNN during the day, it was one disbelief piled upon another.
		It was just too much.
unidentified		Yeah, it's incredible.
		I just, I don't know what to say.
		I just wanted to voice my opinion.
		I've been watching the skies tonight, too.
		That is eerie.
		There's nothing out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is weird, isn't it?
		I mean, normally we'll see the planes in a long line from McCarran Airport and just nothing other than the occasional military traffic.
		Nothing.
unidentified		Yeah, there's nothing there, nothing even to look at.
		I'm just getting ready to go into work tomorrow back in Las Vegas.
		I'm curious what's going to happen out there, how things are going to be treated there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That's something to speculate.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Anyways, thanks for the show, Art.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It was great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
		Thank you very much for calling.
		Again, I thought everybody's got the experts out tonight, so rather than have a line, a great parade of experts on the air, I would just sit here and take calls from all of you.
		Best service I could provide.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm calling from Cincinnati, Ohio.
unidentified		I'm really surprised to get through to you.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		But what I wanted to ask you, I listen to you all the time.
		What I wanted to ask you is about the rest of the world, how you think that they feel about the retaliation that America will take.
		If I would picture myself in England or somewhere else, or not so much England, but other countries, and I would be shaking in my boots right now because of what could happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean if you were what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you were one of these terrorists or knew about them or whatever?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		No, not if I was a terrorist, just of what could happen because of the armaments that we have, what could happen here.
		If we retaliate, which we will, what could happen, who knows?
		I mean, as far as other governments, if somebody else got mixed up in this, I mean, you know, this could be a World War III type of situation.
		I don't think that'll happen personally, but I do believe that George Bush is the type of president that will retaliate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So do I. I think any American president, very nearly, would retaliate.
		Any American president would, some to a greater degree than others.
		I think that you're probably correct.
		When the people who did this are identified, it's going to be very swift indeed, and I imagine pretty terrible coming from this president.
		Yes, I think that.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, my sister called me tonight.
		I haven't I had a, my child was killed a couple of years ago.
		I had one child, and so I don't react as hard as most people do.
		I mean, most people are taking, you know, my sister called me late, and she very seldom calls, and she's really upset.
		And she, you know, and I just told her that I don't feel there will be any more coming.
		Like, you had that earlier caller.
		I believe the same way he does.
		I don't think there's going to be more at this present time.
		But I think that, like, you know, like I was just saying before, that there will be a very violent retaliation to what's happened.
		And again, to make my point, is I feel that if I were in other countries, you know, close to Afghanistan or close to where this could happen, I would just be concerned that something may start going up.
		You know, it would just go up.
		I'd be worried about it.
		Because America, I mean, they are extremely angered.
		It's a Pearl Harbor type of thing.
unidentified		And it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, I just am trying to imagine a scenario in my head that would have the United States retaliating in some massive way against foreign capitals and cities.
		And I just don't see it.
		No, no, no.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe that.
		I don't think that would be caused by America focusing or aiming at the wrong places.
		What I believe could happen is somehow, who knows what other governments could be behind bin Laden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right about that.
		I've got to take off.
		Your point is well made, sir.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Watching every motion in my foot, love is gay.
		On this telling ocean, finally love is no more shame.
		Surely I return to some secret place inside.
		Watching it slow motion in my foot.
		Where the market stalls, there's a hidden door she leads you to.
		These days she says, I feel my life just like a river running through.
		The year of the cat.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		It's a sad day for America, But it's not a day of defeat.
		And I think that's important.
unidentified		Shock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sadness.
		Prayer.
		But not defeat.
		And that's what I think the enemies of our country had better bear in mind.
		America is slow to anger.
		But when it does, it's really something to behold.
		and that part lines directly ahead Stay right there, everybody.
		We'll be right back.
		All right, once again, to the telephone lines.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Andy calling from Iowa.
		First-time caller, long-time listener.
		Yes.
		My uncle is a flight attendant, and he luckily wasn't aboard on flight 11.
		I believe that's the one going from Boston to L.A. But he was supposed to be on that flight, that very flight, and he missed it because he had just come back from a vacation, and he had actually called yesterday before they had left L.A. Now, that was, let's see, American Airlines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Flight 11 carried 81 passengers, 11 crew.
unidentified		Yeah, and he's just distraught, I know.
		I haven't really got a chance to talk to him, but I know my mom has.
		He knew of the crew from American Airline flights.
		I know he's been working there a long time, and that's one of his main flights.
		So I don't know how long he's going to be before he gets back up and flying again.
		But this is insane.
		This is completely nuts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like to understand what twisted reason the people who did this had for doing it.
		And we're not getting that.
		We're not getting a claim of...
		No, there is none.
		Normally, you would think an act of this magnitude would carry with it some sort of claim and then an attempt to affect a nation's policy.
		But if they think that even hitting us in these strategic locations is going to do anything other than anger Americans ultimately, they're crazy.
unidentified		And, you know, I've really been pretty numb today.
		I mean, my dad actually passed away about a year ago, and just everything from Zen, I've been reading about Robert Monroe and things like that, and Albert, I can remember.
		And I have a strong belief in the afterlife and that we do go on so that I know that they're doing people who unfortunately had died this morning.
		I know they're doing well now, but I know their families.
		I pray for all the families and suffering.
		But I'm just kind of in shock, too, because of knowing my uncle almost was on that flight.
		Nothing really to say.
		I just needed a kind of comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what we're here for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly what you're doing.
unidentified		And you know, I'm actually getting into, I've invested in the SciTech program recently, and I'm really interested in what they've kind of found.
unidentified		Hopefully, you know, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's something we're going to, thank you very much.
		We're going to try to get up on the website.
		Ed Dames has provided me with a drawing of exactly where this bunker is, and I'm going to get that up on the website.
		We'll try and do it shortly.
		I will do a shortened show tonight, as I have been doing recently because of my back.
		And I can tell you, my back is kind of misbehaving right now.
		And I think it's probably the way I internalize this sort of news.
		You know, it's extremely stressful.
		And I sort of hold it all inside, which, as I said earlier, is probably not a good thing.
		But you can't exactly adjust the way you are.
		A lot of people can sit down and have a really good cry about something like this, and then somehow it helps.
		And I understand that.
		I don't know why I can't do that.
		I've never been able to quite do that.
		Easy to the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Jake from Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was listening to your show on the way home, and all these people, you know, sending condolences out.
		When I got home, I was walking into the house.
		I live about a half mile from downtown Houston, and three military jets flew over the city.
		And that was kind of eerie seeing Right.
		And I also want to say I have a nephew who is in the Marines.
		He is Marine Security Services in Seattle at a Navy base there.
		And we're behind our soldiers 110%.
		And another caller is saying the young people don't understand what's going on.
		Well, I'm 35, and I have a seven-year-old who today, when he came home, was crying because he didn't want his cousin going to war.
		Which really, I hadn't had a chance to sit down and talk to him before then, after he got home.
		So I think our young people, even a seven-year-old, knows what's going on and that a battle is a war.
		It may be imminent in the very near future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been trying in my mind to imagine how this might happen.
		We are not as the terrorists are.
		We don't kill innocent people.
		We don't bomb cities, right?
unidentified		You're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't do that.
		And so if there was a group, I can understand that we might work ourselves up to some sort of tactical strike and wipe these rats out where they are, but it won't be.
		how could it be much bigger than that unless we discover that there really was state sponsored terrorism and then you go in and you wipe out the infrastructure and military capability of that country you period but uh...
		until you discover that you can't do that This is true.
unidentified		This is true.
unidentified		And like you said earlier in your show, when Pearl Harbor was attacked, it was a military installation that was attacked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Horrible as it was, it was a military target.
		That was the prime target to stop our expansion capability into the Pacific.
		And, you know, horrible but understandable.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This one, horrible and not understandable.
unidentified		Not at all.
		Even though a military, I don't know if you would consider the Pentagon a military installation.
		I would think you would.
		Oh, yes, definitely you would.
		I can see that being attacked, but when you attack a city with innocent people or innocent bystanders hurt, that is unexcusable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And those thousands of people that, well, we don't know how the number of people who died, Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far.
unidentified		But they are mothers and fathers who now have kids that are homeless or parentless, not homeless, but parentless.
unidentified		And that's another real tragic that we're going to have to deal with in the very, very near future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, a lot of them were workers in that building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, 50,000 people on an average day at work in those buildings.
unidentified		This is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In those towers, and another 100,000 every day visiting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you can only, it's horrible to imagine how many might have been in there.
unidentified		That is just a number that just we will never know until, well, eventually we will know, but it's going to be staggering.
unidentified		That's all I have to say, and just God bless America, and let's keep on trucking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for calling.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		On my international line, you're on the air.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		My name is Dave.
		I'm calling from Tamogami, Ontario, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm surprised you were able to get through on the international line.
unidentified		I called this secret number of yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay, I have the network.
		Oh, okay.
		You're a pilot, is that?
unidentified		I fly for an airline here in Canada in Boeing 757.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Oh, okay.
		Excellent.
		Glad to have you.
unidentified		Yeah, so I heard some comments, for example, about the air traffic controllers not getting that hijack code.
		Right.
		Well, what that would just by that and also from the film footage that I saw of the plane flying into the building, it seems as the I guess Mr. Hogan or Jones, Howard Jones, or the expert there, the detective guy, that the people that took over the plane knew what they were doing as far as flying the airplane and all that kind of stuff.
		That code is readily available to anybody that just goes into a pilot shop and picks up a book that tells you about getting your private pilot license.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me ask you this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you were in the cockpit and you heard a ruckus going on in the rear or somebody trying to get into the cockpit, how long would it take you to initiate that code?
unidentified		That code wouldn't go.
unidentified		That code is only used for hijack situations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, but with the ruckus going on, they could presume that that was what was happening, couldn't they?
unidentified		Yes, but right now, with all the air rage going on, we would just be thinking it's air rage.
		And we wouldn't be going to that extreme sense of level of emergency right away.
		But now that this has happened, air crew are probably going to be a lot more serious as far as letting guests come up to the cockpit, which happens routinely.
		As far as violence occurring on board, normally what would happen, you would declare an emergency if you did know something like that was going on, if you had time.
		If it was just a ruckus and you have a hijack situation develop from that, we're trained to comply as much as possible with the demands, you know, expecting to make a safe landing somewhere.
		I don't think there's been a hijacking where they've caused the airplane to fly into the ground like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a very good point.
unidentified		So I don't think anyone on board was expecting this kind of, I guess, a suicide attempt with an aircraft.
		What I foresee happened there, first of all, the guys that carried this out, they started the hijack right after takeoff, knowing the plane is full of fuel.
		So that was a strategic advantage for them.
		And they had the pilots probably fly the plane to New York.
		They probably demanded take us to New York.
		And then when they were on approach to JFK, they probably incapacitated the pilots somehow, either physically or else maybe they had some kind of ether gas or something that they could spray at them.
		I don't know what happened.
		There must have been a few of them there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't it require that one of the hijackers be proficient in flying an aircraft of that magnitude?
unidentified		Yes.
		They couldn't have flown that on.
		Well, they could have flown it on an auto.
		Sorry, there's a truck going by.
		They couldn't have done that on, well, they could have done it on autopilot, but it's a pretty busy airplane.
		They could have done it by hand, but for them to be able to aim it right at the building and from what I saw of the trajectory just before impact, they seem to have excellent control of that plane.
		I would suspect they've had training either on that kind of plane or else a simulator.
		And there's really nothing you can do about that.
		Even if you have someone go through a security check prior to giving them any training on an aircraft, that could still be circumvented.
		So as far as them learning how to fly the plane, there's not really too much that can be done.
		The only thing that I think the FAA and the rest of the aeronautical agencies could Do is do what the Israelis do with LL.
		They have security guards on board and they have reinforced cockpits, and if anything does happen, it becomes basically a little mini, I guess, a mini battle zone on board in order to prevent a takeover of the aircraft.
		And it would be a shame if you had to have that kind of security happen on all aircraft, but that's what it may come to.
		You may have to have a third person up there in the cockpit just in case things get rough, and you may have to have possibly shots fired or whatever.
		I mean, if these guys just had knives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe something like that occurred on board the aircraft that crashed in Pennsylvania.
unidentified		Yeah, well, from what I heard about that phone call where someone phoned from the lavatory that they decided to take over, you know, hand-to-hand combat, you could probably overwhelm them, but you could have all kinds of scenarios where the terrorists could plan ahead for that, such as booking half the plane.
		If they have that many suicidal terrorists, they could put 50, 60 of these people on board.
		And if it becomes an all-out battle on board, you know, the main thing is to secure the cockpit.
		And the cockpit doors can be broken into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's something I've noticed in all the flights that I've taken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does not seem to me like the cockpit door is any more fortified than any other part of the aircraft.
unidentified		No, there is an electronic locking switch.
		There is a switch on the 757 and the 767 and probably all the major airliners that's controllable by the pilots.
		You press the button and the door should be locked.
		However, if someone wants to, and all they have to do is grab one of the fire extinguishers that are in the back or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spash it in.
unidentified		But even then, when something like that happens, you would expect one pilot to keep an eye on the plane and the other one to get out of their seat and grab something handy nearby and try to get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess the answer is when people are prepared to give their life to accomplish their goal, in terrorism, it's very difficult, if not impossible, to stop them.
unidentified		That's true.
		And I think that maybe the Israelis are going to have to be consulted and will have to adopt their procedures and possibly have armed air marshals on board.
		I'm surprised there weren't air marshals on that flight, on any of those flights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a very good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder, now I have no idea, but I know that during the years of many hijackings, there were air marshals on board, almost every major flight.
unidentified		Yeah, this may have to come to federal regulations now.
		They may have to actually enforce that.
		So if you're going to fly a certain sized airplane or greater, you will have to have increased security.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, since you fly something of that size, do you, as a regular course, have air marshals on board or not?
unidentified		No, security screening should be good enough, but first-class passengers do get metal cutlery.
		So, I mean, but even so, if someone came up with, I guess, with a knife from their dinner, we would be able to fight them off.
		But as we heard from that person that phoned from the laboratory, they had the plate attendants in the back and they were threatening to kill them unless the air crew came out.
		Now you get into a whole different situation.
		It becomes sort of like a military battlefield where you have to decide, well, are we going to give up the plane or are we going to get away from the menu?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But at the point that kind of negotiation is going on, where, for example, they're threatening to kill stews in the back of the plane, you would think at that point the pilot would get off the transponder change that would indicate a hijacking was underway or a radio transmission or something.
unidentified		Yeah, if anything does happen where it becomes required for assistance from outside or to let them know it's a dire emergency, that code can be switched very quickly.
		In the heat of the moment, that might have been forgotten.
		Now that the Pennsylvania crash, I'm sure all help broke loose and they probably were, you know, they had their hands full and switching a code, that's not as important as controlling the aircraft controlling a screen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel now about flying?
unidentified		Well, as far as I'm concerned, I'm not really too worried at this point.
		I'm sure that there's going to be a lot more screening, and I'm sure we're going to have rules now about cockpit doors being closed, no guests coming to visit, that kind of thing.
		If you want to have the absolute safest situation, it should be a sealed cockpit.
		And they may have to come out with airworthiness directives from the government saying that you have to install better locking systems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And maybe even sturdier doors, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, sturdier doors and possibly have security on board as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could a person kick a door like that in?
unidentified		Yes.
		Yeah, the way they are now, yeah, you can kick them in.
		And even lavatory doors, when it's occupied, there are ways to open them.
		Everybody knows these little tricks.
		And as I said, if someone needed to do something like this as a terrorist, they can learn it.
		And if they had all their funding from this guy, Bin Laden, they could have been sent to technical schools.
		They could have been taken to flight training courses.
		And all the while, knowing what their end goal was, they learn what they have to learn to do their job.
		You know, sort of like a kamikaze pilot from World War II.
		They knew what their end was going to be, and they trained for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The aviation status there in Canada now is all grounded?
unidentified		Yeah, they closed all the airports except for the landers that were coming in from overseas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I had friends who were mid-Atlantic and they ended up in Canada.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah, it's a very sad situation.
		If it turns out that Afghanistan was holding them, harboring this plot, I think that it's time for the U.S. to say, you give them up.
		If you don't give them up, we'll come and take them and we'll take over your country, and that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to run.
		Thank you so very much.
		And remember, though we are shocked, Americans are shocked.
		I'm one of them.
		Saddened.
		We are not defeated.
		Good morning.
unidentified		I hear the drums echoing tonight.
unidentified		She is only whispers of some quiet conversation.

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