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Sept. 10, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Richard C. Hoagland - Colin Adrews - Andrew Yoder - Crop Circles

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	From the high desert and the great American southwest, I'd like to wish you all good evening,
	good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be, and whatever your condition of the
	darkness or lightness may be.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM, literally sweeping around the world now.
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	I think that it's the biggest story of the year.
	I was going to come on and say biggest alternative story of the year, but Not really.
	I think it's just plain the biggest story of the year.
	The mainstream media is missing it.
	Well, I'm not, and I'm not letting go of it.
	It's the Chobolton crop-glyphs, if you want to call them that.
	Crop circles, but really more glyphs.
	Briefly, in 1974, SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, sent out a signal which, when digitally converted, appears to be a sort of a glyph, if you will.
	And we sent that signal out with trillions of watts going into deep space, you know, in hopes that somebody would receive it and answer in some way.
	In some way or ways.
	Well, in a crop field in Great Britain a few weeks ago now, a couple of weeks ago I guess, two crop circles appeared.
	One, a face, unmistakably a face.
	They're on my website right now.
	And the other, very apparently, an answer To the signal sent out from Arecibo in 1974, now tonight.
	I think that most people would render the opinion right now, Colin Andrews, that he has become a skeptic about crop circles and animal, well, not animal mutilations, there I am with Linda, crop circles in general, as he made a statement that was widely thought to mean He says that 80% of the crop circles out there are fake.
	That's what a lot of people think Colin Andrews said, and he did, but with a very important qualifier, which we'll get to in a segment coming up.
	So, Colin Andrews, who's certainly thought to be a skeptic, if not, as some people are saying, debunker of crop circles, is going to be here, along with Richard C. Hoagland, a one-time advisor to NASA.
	As you well know, a science advisor to Walter C. Cronkite and the Angstrom Science Award winner.
	So, that's what's coming up.
	We're going to give you, we're going to catch you up on what's happened in these wheat fields in England, and then we're going to give you breaking news about what we now know about these, well, what do you want to call them?
	Crop glyphs?
	Crop circles?
	An answer from perhaps a deep space?
	from another civilization somewhere yes that's really what we're talking about here so and here's another thing most people are saying look this was created from the air or from space now if that's the case whether it came from ET or any other source that makes it one of the biggest stories of the year If it's government disinformation, and it was done from satellite or from the air, that's one of the bigger stories of the year, wouldn't you say?
	Why would our government, or the British government, be doing something like that?
	One thing we know, it wasn't done on the ground.
	Stand by, in a few minutes you'll know too.
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	From the mountains of New Mexico, where there's been a lot of thunder like that lately,
	here is Richard C. Hoagland, who is going to set the stage for an incredible story.
	Listen to the following very closely.
	Richard, welcome.
	Good evening, Art.
	Great to have you back again, Richard.
	This story has laid dormant whilst I was away, and I think it's the biggest story of the year, if not Well, I think it could be potentially the biggest story.
	It's a sleeper in terms of mainstream media, but as you all know, artists first on these things, and then they follow.
	Remember the USA Today breaking of the Phoenix Lights right after we did one show?
	That's right.
	And it had been, what, two or three months since the event had happened?
	It was March, and it was June when you and I did the show, and the next day it was all over everywhere.
	I'm really curious the way that developed.
	That wasn't that interesting.
	Anyway, first of all, I want to thank somebody.
	Mike Barra, who is my colleague in crime over here at Enterprise and our webmaster.
	Scotty got kicked upstairs in Starfleet, so we had to get someone else.
	He did an incredible job tonight and formatted and put up both parts of an extremely extensive, in-depth analysis of the Joe Bolton Glyphs on Enterprise.
	Which is linked right there under tonight's guest and program on Art Bell's site.
	I should tell everybody right now, go to ArtBell.com, go to tonight's guest, Richard Hoagland's name, and click on... What should they go to tonight?
	Number three?
	I would go to number one.
	Number one, alright.
	Because that's kind of a good overview.
	Alright, if you want a visual aid as we talk about this, do that.
	And go ahead, Richard.
	Well, all right, so we've got this extremely extensive analysis, which is everyone's pleasure.
	They can go and read, and there's going to be lots of points we're going to talk about in the next hour or so, or 90 minutes, that will, you know, make them want to go and get background.
	But the bottom line is that on August 14th, a couple weeks ago, the fields outside of the Chilbolton Radio Telescope, which is a 1960s vintage 25-meter, that's an 80-foot dish, a big one, used for Astronomy, used for weather, used for radio communications experiments.
	Had a thing appear in the field across the fence, a few hundred feet away, on the morning of the 14th.
	And Colin Andrews, who was also our guest tonight, and had done extensive work on a glyph that appeared in that same field a year ago, was able to get a guy named Darcy Ladd, who was the manager of Chobot, a few days ago, And confirmed that this glyph appeared literally overnight, just like all the most interesting ones seem to do.
	And it is, you know, maybe a hundred and some feet wide and a hundred and eighty feet long, and it looks like a face!
	It eerily reminds people of... It is a face.
	Richard, it is a face.
	Well, yeah, it looks like a face.
	It is a face.
	It is a face.
	It's in a frame, which I think is very important that we get into the details of why we think the frames are important in the article.
	But it reminded a lot of people, it reminded you, because I heard you on the air... ...on Mars.
	Of course.
	Now, we have had analyses done, and we have those posted in the article.
	A guy named Mueller from Germany, who's the surveyor that you talked to, Andreas Mueller, he's actually done a very careful point-by-point comparison with the 7272, which is the low-sun angle Viking shot.
	And there are some remarkable points of correspondence.
	There are also some points of difference.
	Right.
	No matter what you believe, there can be no question.
	You look at it on my website, it's a face.
	Period.
	It's number one at the top of the tonight's crop glyphs, crop circles, you know, images.
	Yeah, you don't have to wonder about this.
	It looks like a face.
	Now, what Colin's going to talk to is the way it was created, the structure underneath the crop that was made to lie down and You're going to hear that there's some pretty sophisticated stuff going on here.
	Well, a few days later, about a week later, on the 19th, if you scan down image number two, and there you can see the telescope in the bottom right-hand portion, pointed up where they park these things, they point them straight up.
	Across the fence, that little bend there in the fence, is this other thing that appeared about, what, five days after the first one, which was initially called the Persian Carpet.
	Because it looked like, you know, a Navajo rug, Persian carpet, whatever.
	And you can see in the image there, there's some writing.
	There's some kind of iconography, glyphs, whatever.
	This didn't dawn on everybody.
	In other words, what it was, it didn't dawn on everybody right away.
	Oh no, because you can't really see these things as anything from the telescope.
	Even if you climbed up from the top of the telescope, they were just able to see there had been something created in the field.
	In order to really see what you're seeing, you've got to get an airplane or a helicopter.
	Of, you know, the hoof and mouth and a lot of other reasons, there's been fewer overflights in some of these remote areas.
	This is an area of about two hours, I understand, west of London.
	So it's in an isolated region of England that isn't normally frequented by crop circle investigators.
	And it took a few days, you know, for it to finally wind up as a kind of a course web.
	So if you go down now to image number three, You'll see a moderate view taken by a very talented gal named Lucy Pringle, who hangs out at Sesame and takes crop good pictures.
	So she went up in a small airplane and took this picture, and you can see that it now really looks like it has writing in it, and a lot of it.
	You know, when we saw this, we said, Oh my God, it looks like the Arecibo message of 1974.
	Sent out with trillions of watts from Puerto Rico to deep space.
	20 trillion watts.
	And the message, give us a very brief overview of what was sent in 1974.
	Well if you go down to image number 4, on the right hand side is the A glyph of the actual message that was transmitted.
	Right.
	And describe to those who don't have computers, top to bottom, what it is in the message.
	In other words, SETI sat down and decided to send a message.
	Well, SETI didn't sit down.
	SETI didn't exist at that time.
	This was Frank Drake, Carl Sagan, and a bunch of guys and gals at Arecibo.
	Basically, it was Drake's idea.
	Yeah, the predecessors to SETI.
	Yeah, it was the predecessor of what we now know as SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.
	But this was just an ad hoc effort.
	Coming off, by the way, the interesting idea that Eric Burgess and I gave to Carl back in 71, which was put a message on Pioneer 10.
	So we kind of created this growth industry, and when the ceremonies to resurface the Arecibo thousand-foot telescope came to the floor in November of 74, Frank Drake and Carl got their heads together at a meeting in Hawaii, it turns out, and said, wouldn't it be a neat idea if we sent Something, somewhere, that basically kicked off the idea that we could talk to E.T.
	by telephone.
	And so we did.
	And so if you would describe what we have pictured here.
	Okay.
	On the top line, you basically have... This is all in binary.
	So this picture is basically the product of two prime numbers.
	A prime number is divisible by one and by itself.
	And these two primes are 23 and 73.
	So it's a grid produced 23 across and 73 down.
	And the idea is that they sent this dot-dash-dot-dash-dot-dash for about three minutes, and intelligent extraterrestrials chose to realize that they eventually put it together as this 23 by 73 grid, and they ink in the ones and they leave the zeros blank, and you wind up with a little pictogram, a little picture.
	And that's what we've got on the website.
	You need to see this, folks.
	It's really important.
	Yeah, and on the top you've got the decimal equivalent, you know, numbers 1 to 10 of the binary.
	And then the next line, you've got atomic elements that are in DNA, things like hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus.
	Right.
	Third line, fourth line, and fifth line are basically nucleic acids that are involved in DNA, our, you know, code of life.
	And then there's this vertical spine, which is the nucleotide sequence of human DNA.
	And on both sides, there are these strange little curved lines, which is the classic infamous Famous double helix, discovered by Watson and Crick, for which they got the Nobel Prize in 1962.
	Below that spine there is a humanoid-looking figure, which a guy called Mr. Pinhead, because he has a very tiny head compared to a very robust body.
	And to his left is a binary equivalent of a population of those guys on the planet they live on.
	And to the right is the size binary.
	He's about five foot nine and a half inches tall, compared to the wavelength of the transmission, which was 12.6 centimeters.
	Telling ATs how big the average human is.
	How big a human is.
	Then under that there was a line, which is now not binary, it's graphic, which is basically the solar system.
	Starting on the right, you have a big block with the sun, and then the little guys next to it are Mercury, Venus.
	The raised one up toward the human figure is Earth, indicating that's where this guy hangs out.
	Then you've got Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto.
	All right.
	And at the very bottom, that curved line, is the telescope pointing down.
	The telescope that sent this signal.
	Sent the signal.
	And there's an M, which is actually a ray trace of the beam as it broadcasts this into space, away from Earth, by the way.
	I was understood the other day.
	If you look at the Earth, the telescope is pointed away from Earth.
	And then at the very bottom, there's more binary, indicating the size of the telescope Again, with reference to the transmitted wavelength, which of course the E.T.
	guys would have, because they would know where to tune their receivers.
	All in all, a brilliant message in a lot of ways.
	It may have its flaws, but generally brilliant to send to E.T.
	to describe what and who we are, the very basics of who we are.
	A message.
	Then two weeks ago, there comes English Cropfield.
	This answer appears, because as you compare, now go to image 4.
	And compare the left image with the right image, you'll see that a lot of it's there, but there's some interesting differences.
	At first glance, folks, it's identical.
	But as you sit and stare at what happened in this wheat field, it's not quite identical to the signal transmitted by Arecibo in 1974.
	Subtle differences, and you've pretty well mapped them out, right, Richard?
	Yeah, and the more we look, with the help of a lot of interesting people, I mean, this has been one heck of a fun project, because there's some very bright guys out there.
	There's a guy I'm going to talk about in the next hour or so named Dustin Brand, who I really want to tip my hat to, because he has, you know, done a lot of detective work and leg work, and has helped us figure out, I believe, a major part of what this thing is trying to tell us, regardless of who it comes from.
	We have to separate these two questions.
	What does this return message say, separated from who is trying to say it?
	Well, I said at the top of the hour, and I said again, I think it's the biggest story of the year for the following reason.
	A, I believe this could not have been made on the ground, that it was made from the air.
	And I think many have come to that same conclusion.
	Well, Colin, of course, did field work here.
	he spent like five days last week literally in this field and a couple of
	others looking in great detail and he's got photographs and he has measurements
	and he's got you know ground truth and he's done interviews and he's
	gonna have some real first hand information. Okay that's coming up but what I'm
	saying Richard and I wonder if you agree is the following if it was made from the air
	then either it's them or it's us and when I say us I mean as in US military or
	British military or as in the intel crowd
	That's right.
	Black Ops Intel.
	And Colin and I are in agreement.
	Either way, it's got to be the big story.
	No, no.
	I said from the beginning that I didn't think this was E.T.
	because it's too human a message.
	We'll get into it with Colin.
	The history of the crop circle phenomenon has been one of mystery, ineffable, ambiguity.
	It hasn't been straightforward.
	These two things, the faith and the answer from Arecibo, are very human.
	They're very like we would do.
	And that initially made me very suspicious that it was us.
	But when we say us, this is not what Seth Shostak thinks.
	A bunch of college kids with nothing better to do than drink half a bottle of beer and go out and have fun in the field.
	This is someone with extraordinarily sophisticated knowledge, with an extraordinarily interesting agenda, and apparently with equal technology to match That at this time, in 2001, wants us to think in a certain direction, because it's time.
	And that's part of the detailed story, which is in our article on Enterprise, and we're going to get into later on in this coming hour.
	All right.
	Basically, the differences are... The key differences are, you've got more spirals on the left-hand side of the DNA than you do on the right.
	Apparent triple helix.
	You've got a big-headed alien-type guy instead of pinhead.
	Or human, depending on what you believe this is.
	Well, it looks to a lot of people like the quote, classic gray.
	Yeah, we went from a pinhead, you know, the depiction of a human on the right, on the Arecibo signals, like a stick man who, you know, had a few good dinners.
	Uh-huh.
	And on the left, it's a big, round head.
	It could be someone with a very big ego.
	I'll restrain myself.
	All right, and any other differences?
	Well, the solar system-wise, if you look where our solar system is, on the one on the right, and the one on the left here, you've got three-raised planets, which indicate that whoever these guys are, they're claiming that we live on three planets in our, quote, solar system.
	And then at the very bottom, and now what you can do is slide your cursor down and kind of straddle the screen so you see Image 5, and you keep part of Image 4 just at the bottom, at the top of your screen.
	Alright, Richard, hold that thought as we have people going to Image 5.
	We're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
	Colin Andrews just ahead.
	A lot of people wanting to know what it is Colin's going to have to say about this, because he's made some pretty wild statements about 80% of the top circles out there being fake.
	We'll get into all that.
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	alright let's get it on with this Richard C. Hoagland back on.
	Colin Andrews waiting to come on in just a second.
	Richard, do you want to introduce Colin and sort of tell everybody, I guess, how Colin got in a little trouble with some of the people out there who study crop circles?
	Well, I'm really hoping in front of this extraordinarily interested 20 million people who listen to you are, we can clear this up.
	This statement by, incidentally, I tried to get a hold of Keith just before we came on the air and his line was busy, but there is a gross misunderstanding of what Colin said.
	He has never, ever said that 80% of all the crop circles that have ever been made are made by human beings doing it with boards and chains.
	Why were people saying that?
	Because they took out of context what he said.
	Which had to do with a tremendous upsurge in commercialization.
	Companies formed in England, hired by G.B.
	Duckley and other people to make crop circles for Coors and all kinds of other people.
	Yes.
	And those are the ones he was referring to.
	The larger phenomenon, and I'm misstating that he will correct me obviously, the larger phenomenon which he's been investigating for 15 or 20 years, most of it is inexplicable, exquisitely mysterious, Well, we'll let him say that for himself.
	Also, he just got back from Great Britain.
	You put me in a very interesting place last week, because you asked me point blank Is he going over there to look at the crop circles?
	Well, everybody's expectation, because of what he said, or is said to have said, would be that he would go over there to debunk this particular crop circle.
	Again, that was spin put on by somebody.
	What he did was to go over to investigate.
	Well, look, we've got him, Richard, so let's let him say what he did.
	He's got news.
	Colin, welcome to the program.
	Thank you very much, Art.
	You're in Connecticut?
	Yes, I am, on the East Coast.
	Okay, so you've heard about this... Well, first of all... Hi, Colin!
	Good evening to you, Richard.
	Clear up your own statement.
	Everybody said, well, you said 80% of the crop circles are fake.
	That's right.
	It's been, I have to say, a pretty extraordinary last 12 months as a result of this.
	It just seems that having made the statement on BBC television that went out, certainly across Great Britain, regularly for several days, Actually, it seemed that very few were actually listening to what I had said.
	And it was, and I thank you for the opportunity to state it clearly and perhaps a little bit more concisely this time, that approximately 80% of the formations that I investigated in England, and only England, during the year 1999 and the year 2000, had all the hallmarks of the human hand.
	A great deal of evidence that would certainly satisfy me.
	Much of it actually on film.
	We had private detective agencies looking at people that we had suspected of mating them.
	But that was only, as I say, during that two-year period.
	It left just under a quarter, as Richard rightly said, completely inexplicable during that two-year period.
	And I am certainly not, let me make it loud and clear, it's never been on my list to debunk anything I'm an engineer myself.
	People that know me know I'm an honest person.
	And my job has been, now, full-time for nearly 12 years, two decades part-time, of looking at this phenomenon to try and uncover what on Earth is going on.
	And I would say, Art, it didn't take the last two patterns for me to realize that there's something extremely profound occurring on our planet.
	And you were saying this is the story of Well, we have clearly turned a corner.
	I mean, all of the crop circles previously were, in my mind, as a commoner.
	Beautiful.
	the story of the last three decades that nobody's been listening to
	and it's still with us if we stand by for the next year or so. Well we have clearly
	turned a corner I mean all of the crop circles previously were in my mind as a
	commoner beautiful absolutely a beautiful
	fractals at times and just really interesting but boy when the
	faith came along and then this answer to Arecibo Island oh my god
	that's right all right we've turned a corner here now you just got back from
	that field you got an opportunity to get to scoot over there
	I guess and take a look at this what in the heck have you found
	well what I've found is that this very much agrees with Richard's view on this whole thing and I'm
	I'm on the same page as him I have to say That there's human logic.
	Now, I'm not talking, again, to the people that have given me a hard time this last year.
	I'm not saying these are caused by, created by people.
	I mean, the people up in London, the artists, or the Doug and Dave's of this world.
	It was not a Doug and Dave job, was it?
	It was not a Doug and Dave job.
	These are new boys on the block.
	Everything I've seen in the last two decades, nothing compares to the last three grand finale patterns In England this year.
	What makes you say that?
	Well, those that sort of met this very high stringent criteria of what is real and what is not real, we looked at many things, apart from plant analysis, magnetometer survey readings.
	The simple on the ground detective work was looking for where compression of the soil existed, where people had to stand to make certain geometries, like in the center of a circle for a simple circle.
	More complex designs require people to stand in many other places, and we've found them in many of those cases during those two years.
	In these last three, they don't exist.
	There are no peg holes.
	There are no stomper board marks.
	That's the dimensions of the boards that they make these things with, that is, those that fill some pleasure in going out and making them.
	That doesn't exist.
	The evidence that I was able to put forward to support my approximately 80% figure during that two years, I couldn't certainly do if I wanted to in these last three designs.
	It simply doesn't exist.
	But we do have human logic.
	What we found on the ground, which I was talking with Richard this afternoon about, and a little before too, was that in the case of the Arecibo message, so-called,
	and the face, these are two framed designs.
	The frame and the layout marks, I will call them that.
	This is a lattice network of lines in which in one design circles are inserted, i.e.
	the face, and in the other oblongs or squares, and that's the Arecibo message.
	But the basic design, the layout for each, are pretty well identical.
	Different dimensions, but the same principles applied to both.
	You have here, Art, sequencing construction order.
	In other words, the first plants to go down in that field from a standing ordinary wheat
	field into now a lattice design network in which a pattern is about to be constructed,
	the first crops to go to the ground leave themselves in position.
	They remain on the ground where they're placed during that early sequence.
	For the harvesters, when the Corbman harvester comes along, and at my request in all three,
	the harvester teeth are taken down, the rotor blade that cuts the plants is taken down to
	an inch above ground level, which takes everything off but leaves the first layer of plants in
	position.
	And what we had, and you'll be seeing this I think on Richard's site tomorrow, and certainly down in San Jose this weekend, it left a grid.
	And that grid was used by this new team on the block to design, to make, I have to say, that's what it appears, these two extraordinary patterns.
	So, human logic is involved, but I think, and I have nowhere else to go but to suggest it, I can't prove it at this point certainly, it looks like for the first time we have technology.
	That's what I would say.
	Are you agreeing then, Colin, that this could not have, in these cases, have been done from the ground?
	It would have had to have been, no matter who did it, from the air?
	I would tend to think that that was the case.
	I can't say that it positively is so, Art.
	I certainly have, in the last few years, become a little more careful.
	We have seen extraordinary patterns made by people, some of them on camera.
	I think being careful is the right way to go.
	Colin, you did some electrostatic experiments on the wheat, didn't you?
	Yes.
	I went over there, and actually flown in from Germany.
	We had equipment waiting for us there.
	I carried out a magnetometer survey, which actually was the fourth year we've been looking at that in a whole range of crop designs, and electrostatic meters.
	We also had a couple of dowsers.
	Busty Taylor, who's well known in this field, is actually a very good dowser, and I had another guy came along too.
	And so what we did is that we found that there was the grid, and now let's get to work on the grid, these two grids that are left in the Chilbolton fields.
	And what we found, and these are very tentative statements that I'm making here, because the magnetometer readings have not been mapped out yet by Dr. Jean-Noël Aubrun, who actually will be with me this coming weekend too.
	That's his, the work that he has been doing for me.
	But the preliminary results?
	Yes, well what we basically have is that the magnetometer shows really nothing very unusual.
	I would be surprised if it shows any pattern that would raise a flag with us.
	It looks very normal in other words.
	But the electrostatic was very different and very bizarre indeed.
	Electrostatic.
	Now everybody, by that we mean, you know, like when you shuffle across a carpet, folks.
	That's right.
	And you touch a hunk of metal and there's a spark that flies.
	That's electrostatic.
	Or you go up and pet your cat and he wants to eat four feet in the air.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's right.
	Well, and those actually were the sort of charges that we had in that field.
	Now that does make sense, because Great Britain is traditionally a very damp, dank kind of Yep, places with a lot of mist and rain and so forth. So
	where would you get static electricity?
	Well that that is indeed the question But what we found was that the the grid lines that there
	were left there for everyone to see those very narrow Lines of I suppose about four inches or so
	measured a plus voltage of 80 volts my god 80 volts 80 Volt 80 volts and a little carpet that's a hell of a car
	indeed and plus another thing an electrostatic charge is here
	Now, and gone a second later.
	That's the nature of static electricity.
	Absolutely.
	So how could we be getting these readings, what, two weeks later, Colin?
	Well, that's right.
	We were walking across the minor and major axis of both designs many times over, and still we have pulsing 80 volts.
	80 volts!
	Absolutely.
	Colin, that's important, because this is not a static charge.
	He said pulsing.
	In other words, a renewed... Absolutely.
	Yes, that's beyond belief.
	Well, yes it is.
	And I think we have two things that we've married together for the first time.
	I believe this.
	We clearly need to follow this up, because it is a first.
	We've had dowsers for many years.
	As you know, Art, dowsing to many scientists is poo.
	It's just a party trick.
	It's nonsense.
	I've had a great trust in this being the new science of the future, to be honest with you.
	It's something that the intuitive part of humankind can use to his good and to his benefit.
	It's, as you know, the basic art is, originally, was where people would find water and still do.
	I know engineers that don't bother with specialized equipment.
	They will find underground electricity cables, live cables, using dowsing rods.
	During Vietnam, the Marines regularly employed dowsers to find the tunnels of Vietnam.
	Absolutely.
	My wife does dowsing, so I know all about it.
	Right, right.
	All right, so you have dowsers over there.
	What did they find?
	Well, the dowsers also had reactions on each one of these lines that I'm referring to.
	The same lines where we have measurements of 80 volts, Plus on the electrostatic meters.
	So there's something, I guess you could say there's something living there.
	Something that's alive.
	Well, or there's an energy source replenishing the field.
	Boy, I don't know what would do that, Richard.
	Hyperdimensional physics.
	Particularly after the fact.
	That's outrageous.
	That's really outrageous news, yes.
	Now, keep in mind that Colin is a certified electrical engineer.
	This is right up his alley.
	It is, Richard.
	If I might just suggest, to add actually, which is the way this actually was discovered, was that we were, or I was, with a team of two other people, measuring that electrostatic field on the top of Milk Hill, just before we reached Chilbolton.
	We were in the field with that very extraordinary so-called galaxy design, that 700,000 square feet of crop design.
	And it actually was an error on my part.
	I had taken the electrostatic reading in the first circle in one of those arms and had relayed that to my assistant there.
	And I was actually moving to position 2 to take a second reading, but actually forgot to turn the instrument off whilst we relocated.
	And I noticed this 80 plus pulse.
	In walking into the next position.
	What?
	And what I found there was that there were seven concentric rings in each of those circles, which is exactly what we have said through dowsers for many years.
	So what those dowsers have been picking up is indeed this electrostatic boundary.
	So if you could have been in the air and looked down as you walked from the outside of the center of one of the circles of the 409, You would have seen, like, seven concentric bull's-eye targets?
	Absolutely.
	Just like a dartboard, with a full concentric wing in the center, right out to the circumference.
	Have you ever measured a high electrostatic repeating charge in another crop formation?
	Never.
	Never?
	Never.
	Have you actually tried?
	Well, we have, but it hasn't been anything... It's not been a serious study.
	I mean, Ron Russell and Dr. Simeon Hine has been looking at that as a specialized project for now, I think, two or three years.
	They will have a lot to say about this, and actually with Simeon this weekend, Richard, with yourself.
	So we'll be sharing the same platform, and I can be bouncing off of his findings, too.
	Were you able to bring any samples back with you, Colin?
	No, I didn't actually.
	I set out to do the art, but I was assured by one of the researchers I tracked down that those plants were in his possession.
	I got an email, Colin, while you were there from the same individual.
	I mean, we can use his name.
	His name is Charles Mallet.
	already have them and they were being sent yes you sure be that they were
	being sent to dr. Levengood for analysis I got all that's happening I got an
	email call and while you were there from the same individual yes I mean we can
	use his name his name is Charles Mallett that's right the one who's done these
	stunning ground-level shots we have on the web yeah particularly on on you know
	page 2 and page 3 and page 4 Yeah, if you want to look through these folks on my website, which I'm sure you do now, artbell.com, tonight's guest, and then just below Richard's name, you'll see the links and you can see all these photographs of this crop circle near the big telescope and the face and all the rest.
	It's mind-blowing stuff.
	We have a crop that was woven and swirled down, and what Charles has done is he was able to get samples, both plant samples And apparently soil samples from within the glyphs, and then control samples from well outside the glyphs, and those are all on their way, I understand, to Dr. Levengood.
	Colin, do you have any idea what might produce such a high repetitive voltage?
	That's just in my world.
	And, you know, I'm into electronics, Colin.
	That's not possible.
	No, I'm with you, too.
	I mean, conventional electrical engineering and physics is where I come from.
	I can't explain it.
	One would be looking at two insulators moving in opposite directions, certainly creating free electrons.
	That's just an outrageous voltage.
	Let me understand, Colin.
	If you were to stand still in these formations, At a particular spot, you'd get your plus 80 volts.
	If you moved a little bit to the left or right or north or south, nothing.
	The voltage would go away?
	Zero.
	When you were standing at the peak, was it pulsing or was it constant?
	No, if you stood on the actual grid line, it was constant.
	Pulsing was basically you're walking through the electrostatic pattern.
	If it's pulsing, you see, at a high enough frequency, it's going to appear to be a steady voltage anyway, because it's, in essence, vibrating.
	Think of it this way.
	Think of it in terms of acoustics.
	If you have a good stereo system, and you put a tone, some mid-range tone, like middle C, and it bounces and creates standing waves on the walls, and then you walk through your living room, you'll hear the tone go, wow, wow, wow, wow, Because you're moving through the standing wave.
	That's right, yes.
	It seems to me, Colin, correct me if I'm wrong, that the pulsing was caused by you physically moving the instrument through the standing wave pattern of the electrostatic field.
	You're absolutely correct.
	Moving from the zero point to the peak.
	So if you could have seen this, you would have seen this glowing electrostatic charge in the pattern of the wheat?
	I can't imagine what would do anything like this.
	Colin, hold on a little more from you, please, along with Richard C. Hogan.
	I, in my wildest dreams, in damp Great Britain, can't even imagine what would do that.
	Can any of you?
	So there's a pretty good hunk of breaking news about what happened a couple of weeks ago in Wheatfield in Great Britain.
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	You know, I keep saying these crop circles could only have come from the air.
	And they could have only come from either ET or a government.
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	Well, there is a third possibility.
	Colin himself has suggested at times the Earth's magnetic field itself might be doing it, but... I don't know.
	I wonder if he can apply that now, and if that gets tossed away as a result of what he has found.
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	In that crop glyph in England, that apparent answer to the 1974 Arecibo signal sent to deep space.
	80 electrostatic volts. 80...
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	That's just impossible.
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	Colin Andrews, just freshly back from Great Britain, where he was in the Jill Bolton crop circle and did some tests there that are astounding.
	Gentlemen, welcome back.
	Hi, Eric.
	The thing that strikes me is, in England, in fact, a lot of the photos that Charlie sent us, Charlie Mallet, you can see it's a gray, foggy day.
	In fact, we had to sharpen the images so that you could actually see the individual stalks, because there was no basic sun.
	It was all diffused lighting.
	So, any charge, no matter what source, would leak away within minutes.
	I'd say instantly.
	But the point is, here we are two weeks after, and you've got this incredible pattern, where he walks through the pattern, and it basically traces the visual glyph And it's got to be a replenished energy source.
	It's got to be coming from somewhere, which raises the specter of an extraordinary physics
	and technology.
	And it's not college kids.
	It's not Doug and Dave.
	But Colin, do you have any explanation for what could do what you measured?
	Well, I've certainly got something to suggest here, yes.
	Let's hear it.
	This coming weekend, as you know, at the Bay Area UFO Congress, and actually the following weekend at the International UFO Congress in Laughlin, Dr. John Norburn, just earlier today, agreed very kindly, who is an engineer-scientist, To help me present the data analysis of the magnetometer survey we've conducted the last couple of years.
	And there really is something here also, Art, that I think is going to blow some minds.
	The scientific world is showing a great deal of interest in this.
	One invitation to go to Moscow to share this with some scientists there.
	And what it shows, I'll just sort of cut right to the core, we have, I have, conducted magnetometer surveys in the many crop patterns in the last three or four years
	uh... the result that we had in a cultic cross on ministry defense land last year
	uh... has given us something really to think about and i don't think this might
	offer some uh... solutions perhaps uh... if you can call it that
	uh... to what we've now found uh... actual bolton and what we had
	was that the earth's magnetic field inside if you imagine a cultic cross you
	have a large circle in the center four satellites
	equally space at the uh...
	uh... in the north east west and east uh... and i think we need to be prepared to go instead of a
	circle in the center we actually had a ancient burial ground
	uh... to my life i was just very unusual that was the first in itself
	well the earth's magnetic field measured there gave us a reading of plus about a hundred to a hundred and
	fifty percent above the normal earth's magnetic field of five
	uh... goals in the northern hemisphere that part of the northern hemisphere
	only inside those certainly four satellites and marginally outside of the on the right hand side of
	each of those satellites
	so effectively what we have on this was mapped out all the readings were mapped
	out it showed us that there there were magnetic dipoles
	underground in each of those satellite crop circles or above in the air
	and those those that was measured whilst the crop circle was there
	and again when it was harvested effectively we will be showing and sharing those results in
	great detail uh... this weekend but
	here we have another extraordinary anomaly completely we cannot we cannot account for
	short of excavated that field which might be but i guess come to that
	well i've got a bbc story here uh... in which are quoted
	as saying uh... that magnetism may account for the rest of those that are
	not uh... which display a simplicity of
	form compared with elaborate beautiful patterns of the quote hoaxes unquote
	Did you say that?
	I guess I'd be very, very close to that, certainly.
	Yeah, it's from the BBC.
	So, in other words, I could imagine with those old, beautiful circles, these incredible circles, that Mother Earth somehow could have done it.
	But the problem is, now we've got a face, and we've got an answer to a deep space message.
	Yes, a binary.
	It doesn't sound like Mother Earth.
	I guess like any scientist, any respectable engineer, one goes with the data and with what you have in front of you.
	You know, you modify the model and you move forward.
	I'm not here to sell anybody one thing or the other, simply to record the facts.
	And like you, I'm intrigued to know what's going on, and I certainly intend to see this through.
	In other words, with this astounding new data, you're prepared to perhaps modify what you were Guessing or believing or imagining?
	Yes, absolutely, because with rotationally symmetrical designs, I could see as an engineer how it was conceivable.
	You know, with a magnetic force, it did leave something else still out of the equation.
	I don't know what was missing there, of course, but there was a component missing to actually flatten the plant.
	You can electrocute, if you like.
	The analogy would be to electrocute the plant, but we still needed a force.
	To actually push them over.
	Yeah.
	When you rotate a magnetic field, you induce current in a conductor, which would be... Well, this sounds a little like Terence Newton's plasma vortex theory back in the 80s.
	It's not far away, Richard.
	It certainly isn't far away, but here... I mean, the face and the message, so-called message, they're not rotationally symmetrical, and I cannot see that as a theory accounting for it.
	So, you know, we're back to square one on those two, that's for sure.
	Well then, on a more basic level, I understand the ground there is pretty soft and kind of muddy a lot of the time, and it just would have been flat impossible for a human being to not leave some sort of trace of what they had done in this particular case with these very complicated glyphs.
	It would certainly appear to be so.
	I wouldn't argue with you.
	I think though, Art, again being just a little careful, I certainly can and will this weekend once again remind everybody of what a great job people can make of some of these designs.
	It's not to burst anybody's bubble, but simply to come from a very sceptical, very careful position.
	Because we have a paradox, we have a dilemma here of the most extraordinary kind.
	At the one end you could have a very elaborate hoax, albeit government Agencies of some kind or another, or the guys up there in London, or a new range of modern, whiz-kid-type Doug and Daves, at one end of the spectrum, where you and I could be seen eventually having to be wasting our time and our energy, at the other end of the spectrum, as you said, I think you said several times this last week, Art, and Richard too, something of absolutely profound importance to mankind, to humanity.
	There's the paradox, there's the dilemma, And we're, you know, it's that straightforward, but it's that complex, too.
	See, while Colin has been literally outstanding in his field, we on this side of the Atlantic have been working on the political side of this.
	Right.
	Because if this is as extraordinary in terms of the presentation as it has appeared, then you're reduced down to it's got to be one of two sources.
	It's got to be government, intel, Or, it's genuine extraterrestrial technology.
	Right.
	Now, if it's extraterrestrials, then they're trying to tell us something pretty profound, and we should carefully scan the message for all kinds of clues, and there have been a contingent of folks, people like Dustin Brand and others, who've done that, have come up with some astonishing ideas, which are presented in links through the Enterprise website, and through that very comprehensive paper that we've now done on this Joe Bolton set of glyphs.
	Which we won't have time to get into tonight, I can guarantee you, but it's there on the web, and the web exists, and you can go at your leisure and read it and, you know, cogitate over it.
	The other aspect, if it's not truly an extraterrestrial response, which I personally don't think it's really from E.T., then we're dealing with the intel crowd, and what we have to understand, guys, is the intelligence community is sharply divided now about the concept of disclosure.
	We know from From Steven Greer's work and from other contacts in Washington and other sources we have, that there's this fierce internal battle going on in government about hangout, limited hangout, clam up, cover up, who's going to win?
	We have called them over here, the Owls and the Roosters, taken directly from the X-Files All right, straight out, Richard, if this is from some clandestine operation... I think it's a leaking clandestine dissident group that basically says it's time.
	I would agree with that.
	And disclosure is not going to be a press conference.
	It's a process.
	And if you look around the world, I mean, Greer last week announced he's got an astronaut, who, by the way, I think I know who it is, who basically went to Cohen and tried to get some E.T.
	artifacts that he had seen and handled and touched.
	Out of the clutches of the intelligence community to present them at a press conference.
	And the Secretary of Defense was stonewalled, according to Greer.
	Yes.
	Well, that's part of this war.
	So, Colin, I believe, and I think we're on the same page here.
	Yes, we are.
	I felt from the beginning that because these were so human, that they had the earmarks of humans down here, but with some extraordinary gadgets, some extraordinary toys.
	Yeah, I couldn't put it better.
	I mean, I think whatever the The core phenomenon is, whatever the core reason is behind the crop circle phenomenon per se, I hear we now have, in the last three designs of the next two major movies, and let's not overlook those two major movies that are coming up, someone somewhere has decided that whatever the core reason for the crop circle phenomenon is, they're going to use it for their own agenda.
	I think it makes perfect sense.
	It's a big subject, and there are many reasons why I say that, too.
	I absolutely share your view there.
	I would like, if I may, just to add that, as we were saying earlier, there really is nothing black and white about this entire subject.
	I think in addition to this 80-20 business, and maybe just a little unpopular recently, I have decided in my own work, and it really is no more than that, but people tend to feel they own you after a while, is that I feel that we have to embrace everything out there.
	Embrace those that are made by people as well, because what we're looking at here is a very narrow slither in evolution.
	And if it involves people making them and some of the mysterious hand making or creating them also, that we should look at the entire thing.
	And where I feel that I'm right in doing this is that if you take the one end of the spectrum, I like to do this because it sort of gives me a little bit of stand back time and it's an overview.
	If you look at people making these designs, There are many questions that one needs to ask.
	First of all, the profile of the people that make crop circles.
	Why do they make them?
	I've spent many hours speaking to some of these guys, and they will tell you, almost to a man, that they feel prompted to do so.
	There's something going on here with the people that are actually making them.
	Why do they make those particular designs?
	Well, you're talking now about the identified human... Yeah, the one that admitted doing it.
	That's right.
	Sitting in a pub and saying, hey, why'd you do it, bud?
	Well, it's a little more organized.
	For me, I kind of shy away from that because, to me, okay, they're fakes.
	We know they're fakes.
	I tend to shy away from dowsing just because I know how that's received by the public.
	Right.
	All the evidence taken together, with every scientist I've talked to, said this couldn't have been made on the ground.
	And then, now with you coming forth, with this electrostatic measurement that's flat-out impossible, that's what turns my crank.
	Colin, let me ask this question.
	When you dug down, you did not find a fine grid of silver wire and a set of little batteries around the field, right?
	We haven't dug down in these two designs as yet, Richard.
	We've only ever excavated one crop pattern.
	that we also found a magnetic anomaly in, and what we found were very old
	farm implements of many years past. That's all we were able to locate.
	Sorry, you did tell me you did not find stake holes, which means you obviously looked at the ground.
	Absolutely. No stake holes, no compression marks where one would expect to find them.
	There is a different hand here.
	I mean, there is positively something different about these last three designs.
	Well, the electrostatic signature is just extraordinary.
	Art is absolutely right.
	There is no way that I know, unless you were to plant a grid of wires and have a huge power source, Which you, as an engineer, could have easily found.
	Right.
	No, I mean, that... I was kind of being tongue-in-cheek about that.
	Yeah, but I mean... It would leave us with inexplicable technology wielded by persons unknown.
	New technology.
	Whatever it is.
	Well, I think it's hyperdimensional technology.
	Maybe.
	Well, I have data from Bruce De Palma.
	Remember my old friend Bruce?
	Sure.
	Who, 20 years ago, produced a version of a crop circle in the laboratory using his rotational
	experiment.
	That's where I first got on to the possibility of connecting the crop circles with the Cydonia
	and other phenomena we were looking at back in the 80s.
	And it turns out that you can create these using what de Palma brought to bear in the laboratory.
	Well, that's why Colin's original theory of the Earth's magnetism certainly made a lot of sense
	as one very strong contender, one strong possibility.
	But certainly we've turned a corner around that right now with these glists.
	Yeah, plus you've gone from simple circles now to these incredibly complex glyphs in a period of 20-some years, 25 years maybe, and the Earth would not learn how to do things better.
	All right, so with this big news tonight, folks, let the world digest all of this.
	All right, the two of you are going to be at this show, right?
	At the Bay Area UFO Expo in San Jose this coming weekend.
	Okay, plug it.
	Well, if you want tickets for both Collins Workshops and mine, and we're going to actually appear together on Sunday in the long extent of the workshop that I've staked out time on, because everybody always knows I have too much material.
	I tend to go over.
	You can call this number, area 408.
	266-4749, that's area code 408, 266-4749 in Northern California, right south of the Bay Area.
	We're going to be there for two days, laying out a lot of data, a lot of photographs, a lot of background.
	I've found with the help of people like Dustin Brand and others, some extraordinary content to this response which we have not gotten into tonight. No
	I know. So we'll just tease vigorously and maybe you'll have me back in a couple of
	days and I can do some more teasing with actual data. But if you want to read about it it's on
	our website it's linked through arts and I think gentlemen I speak for all of us in that I think
	this is a heck of a way to go out in this crop circle season right Colin? Absolutely there's
	never been a better one.
	Really I've never heard you say that before Colin. This is the best to date? Oh this is oh yeah.
	This is by far the pinnacle of the last 20 years.
	When you saw these as a long-time investigator of crop circles, what did you say?
	I mean, how did it hit you when you first really saw these, Colin?
	Well, I guess, even though the very first one that I saw was extremely simple.
	It was a Celtic cross.
	It was a similar feeling, because I had nothing to base it upon, I had nothing to reference it to, to the same feeling that I've now got with these new designs.
	It's all inspiring.
	It feels so special, one just has to say.
	It troubles you, and yet it excites you.
	One feels a spiritual content to it.
	There have been times in my work where I have I privately cried to myself.
	It sounds extraordinary, I know, but it's just so special.
	I understand completely, believe me.
	Richard, we'll have you back.
	No teasing here.
	You've got to go all the way if you're coming back on the show.
	Will do.
	All right.
	And Colin, thank you so much for being here tonight.
	Thank you for inviting me, Art.
	Thank you, Dick.
	Thanks, Colin.
	Bye.
	Good night, you two.
	All right, well, there you have it.
	That's the latest news on the crop glitz.
	That appeared about two weeks ago in Great Britain.
	Astounding news.
	80 repeating electrostatic volts measured inside that glyph.
	In a few moments, we're going to switch gears and we're going to have a fascinating guest, Andrew Yoder.
	We're going to be talking about shortwave pirates.
	People who go on shortwave radio without a license, without a care, without worry, And broadcast to the world.
	Pirates.
	And we've got actual recordings.
	with Andrew Yoder coming up next.
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	It is indeed, and I think tonight you're going to hear, for the very first time on commercial radio, of pirate radios.
	I don't know that anybody has done this, and there may be reasons why.
	I don't know, we'll find out.
	There is a whole world out there above the commercial broadcasting AM band called Shortwave, one that I've been involved with all my adult life, actually part of my childhood as well.
	It's been my hobby, as you know, I'm a ham.
	So I have some mixed feelings about what we're about to do on the air.
	However, it is so interesting, and I think that's probably why Andrew Yoder got involved, because it's so damn interesting.
	You're going to hear actual pirate broadcasts tonight.
	Some of them silly, some of them serious, some of them political, some of them, I don't know, just wild stuff.
	Andrew of himself writes, yup, this is essentially a press page.
	Why hobby broadcasting?
	I've been fascinated with underground media all my life.
	That's underground media, folks.
	The first time I encountered it was in 1977 when I saw a report on NBC Nightly News about a pirate TV station called Lucky 7 from Syracuse, New York.
	In 1981, I discovered S9 Magazine, the precursor to Popular Communications, and the book, How
	to Tune the Secret Shortwave Spectrum.
	Secret because not too many people know about it, really.
	Throughout the 1980s, I spent hours listening to all sorts of underground radio programming
	and contributing to radio bulletins.
	In 1988, I wrote Pirate Radio Stations, Tuning in Underground Broadcasts for TAB Books.
	It was my first real foray into both publishing and the business world.
	Being only 21, I accepted a cheap buyout contract.
	Though the book wound up selling more than 13,000 copies, I only made a few cents per book.
	Lest you think I'm in this for the money.
	In the early and mid-90s, I wrote a few more books on shortwave radio and pirate radio because I was a fan of any type of underground radio, not necessarily that which It was just unlicensed and on shortwave.
	I dreamed of someday publishing a radio-related zine.
	Zine.
	Magazine.
	As in zine.
	After occasionally researching the topic for a few years, we jumped in with Bo Feet in 1997 in the first issue of Hobby Broadcasting, his press, in the spring of 98.
	Since then, history, right?
	We've strived to publish excellent how-to broadcast articles, features, and historical pieces.
	Yeah, that's right.
	How to.
	So it's going to be pretty interesting, and it's coming up in just a few moments.
	You'll hear actual pirate broadcast.
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	No, no, no, you only think you know.
	Jerry Orbach has the real story on Encounters, this Friday following the week at Slink.
	So the truth is out there.
	Well, other than Art Bell, it's only on Encounters with the Unexplained, Friday at 9, 8 central on PAX TV.
	I would be remiss indeed if I did not acknowledge the fact that my radon earthquake detector, the fellow who lives in Southern California, has a well and monitors the radon level in his well, had not called it.
	Everybody went, Aha!
	He missed it!
	Well, no, he didn't miss it.
	The first earthquake in a very long time in North Hollywood, California, four points something or another, predicted by my right radon earthquake detector, I watched about a week and a half ago, I would say, if that.
	Congratulations.
	You hit another one.
	This guy has been incredible.
	Incredible also, Andrew Yoder.
	Andrew, welcome to the program.
	Hi.
	Hi there.
	Where are you, anyway?
	I'm in South Central Pennsylvania.
	Oh, okay.
	So it's really late there, or really early, depending on how you look at it.
	Yes, very early.
	So, a long time ago, you began.
	What got you interested in How did you get your first shortwave radio?
	Yeah, the first time I really listened to shortwave radio was at a friend's house.
	His dad had refurbished an old WWII radio and we used to listen to all different kinds of things on that.
	My grandma had one of those things that stood about five feet tall, and it had AM, and of course it had shortwave bands.
	I would spend hours, when I went to my grandma's house, that's all I did.
	I sat in front of that radio and listened and listened.
	I tried to imagine what it was I was hearing, all these strange stations, of course commercial broadcasting, but so much more that I couldn't identify.
	That's really what got me going.
	Yeah, it's a lot of fun just to sit around and listen to all the different strange sounds on shortwave.
	Well, there are some really, really strange sounds, and those come from... define a pirate broadcaster.
	What is a pirate broadcaster?
	Really, a pirate broadcast station is somebody who goes on the air and broadcasts, as opposed to somebody who just talks to Somebody else, that would be, you know, a ham, basically, without a license.
	But this is somebody who has no license and is actually broadcasting programming.
	So, we hams would call that person a bootlegger, as differentiated, then, from a pirate.
	Yeah, usually, it's defined, the bootleggers are considered people who are just doing the ham thing without a license.
	But, yeah, a lot of hams call.
	These pirates, they're a whole different breed, aren't they?
	Yeah, for the most part, though, the pirates try to stay on frequencies where nobody else uses, and stay away from people.
	They aren't trying to cause interference.
	No, they're trying to be heard, right?
	Yeah, for the most part.
	Some pirates aren't really trying to be heard by a whole lot of people.
	Some are just happy to be heard around a few of their friends or a few of the other pirates.
	So it's almost like a cult thing, in a way.
	Yeah, really.
	It is.
	And then there are various motivations, though.
	Some of them I've heard are quite political.
	For example, some very anti-whatever presidents in office or anti-U.S.
	or whatever, right?
	Yeah, there are plenty of stations that are political to one extent or another.
	Usually, most of the pirates, on shortwave at least, aren't really, really extremely serious.
	Most of them at least have some fun on the air.
	Most of them aren't out there every night trying to overthrow the government.
	Yeah, how much would it cost, just from a curiosity point of view, of course?
	It depends.
	Really a lot of it depends on the knowledge that you have of electronics.
	I know one station that really put everything together for probably about $10.
	He found an old amateur radio transmitter for $10 and he He fixed that up, and he made the audio mixer himself, and all the audio that he used to get into, you know, microphones and everything else, he found and had repaired.
	Now, here's an important point, folks.
	Unlike conventional AM stations or FM stations, like you're listening to me dozzle on right now, shortwave, though it's low power, has the potential to not Yeah, it's entirely possible.
	A really good example of that is, just this past weekend, I was listening to a station called Radio Border Hunter from Belgium.
	Border Hunter?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because he's right along the border of Belgium and Holland.
	Plus, he's probably a hunted man.
	Well, he does very well with his transmitter, and he decided to do a test this past weekend and see how well we could hear him as he dropped his power levels.
	So, he started at, what was it, about 1000 watts, and dropped down to 100 watts, and then dropped down to 20 watts, and we could still hear him fine.
	He had some... Excuse me?
	No, I just laughed.
	That's not what you are.
	No, so then he started dropping the power down further, and still people in the U.S.
	could hear him at, what was it, 10 watts?
	And then a 1 watt.
	Holy smokes.
	And he was audible to some people at 100 milliwatts, and he backed it down to 30 milliwatts, and still was at least a little bit audible.
	That's unbelievable.
	Yeah, that's about as much power as It's those little experiments with sticking a couple of nails into a potato and running, you know, a light bulb.
	Yeah, that's right.
	A potato-powered radio.
	Could happen.
	Could be done.
	Alright, so, these people, you know, take a guy in Cincinnati or New York City or Brooklyn or LA or wherever, Chicago, you put yourself on the air, you are at risk.
	You are doing an illegal thing.
	The Federal Communications Commission People would no doubt love to get their mitts on you, hence the name Pirate.
	If they do get their mitts on you, what happens to you?
	It's kind of tough to tell, because technically it's an administrative violation.
	You're not committing a felony by pirating, you're not committing a misdemeanor, you're committing an administrative violation.
	It has to do with administrative courts, and so police don't really have any jurisdiction.
	So the local police would not come rushing in?
	No, not unless the FCC got the help of the police to help them shut down the station, and they don't have to necessarily cooperate.
	So it's kind of a strange thing, and a lot of it has to do with how the FCC is feeling at any particular time.
	And how much power they have at any particular time, and that varies from administration to administration, and just from year to year.
	Right now, there hasn't been any pirate bus in North America since 1998.
	You're kidding?
	There has been no pirate bus since 1998?
	Nope.
	What's happened to enforcement?
	Um, they go through phases.
	Uh, in 1998, they raided, uh, four stations at once on Halloween.
	And, uh, then they've kind of let it go.
	And up until that point, they let it go from, uh, 1995 to 1998.
	Interesting.
	And then usually whenever there's, there's some raids, then activity slows down for a while and people kind of are a little bit quiet.
	And then it picks up again to see, you know, really If the FCC is interested.
	So I take it then they could do anything from slapping you on the hand and saying, don't do that again, if they caught you, to taking your equipment, to taking you to jail.
	So far, not taking you to jail, really.
	But yeah, otherwise, and they can confiscate other things, too.
	One person I know of, they confiscated all of his audio equipment, plus A shortwave receiver and some other things that really weren't related to broadcasting.
	Anything they could loosely attach to the concept of broadcasting, in other words.
	Yes, and in order for him to get it, then he would have to challenge them in court, and for the most part, it's not going to be worth it unless they confiscate property worth, you know, $5,000 or more.
	Well, profile one of these guys or gals for me.
	I mean, what are these people like that they would break the law Transmit who knows what.
	Actually, we're going to know what before the night's over.
	But all of this different material, why would they do it?
	What kind of person would do that?
	It's an interesting concept, and that's one of the things that people always wonder.
	That's one of the fascinations, really, with listening to pirate radio, is why is somebody doing this?
	Sometimes it's just creativity.
	Some of these people are actually professional radio DJs or Or engineers, and they don't get to do what they would normally like to do on the air.
	So they pirate.
	And there are other people who have a particular axe to grind one way or another, whether it's political or social or whatever, and they get on the air for that reason.
	And some people just are hobbyists, whether it's audio or music or whatever, and just like assembling the programs.
	And it's always a risk for these people to go out there and broadcast.
	Andrew, being such a fan of pirate broadcasting, I guess I've got to ask you, have you ever done more than listen?
	Have you ever pirate broadcasted yourself?
	Well, I like to avoid operating transmitters as much as possible.
	Put it that way.
	So I should read into that not complete denial?
	Read into it whatever you want.
	If I say that I hadn't, nobody would believe me, and if I say that I had, then nobody would really believe me either.
	Well, I admit I did it 35 years ago, innocently.
	I was an airman in the Air Force at Amarillo Air Force Base.
	You'll like this story, Andrew.
	You know, we're on a federal reservation.
	This could be fun.
	And so I began in my own barracks with a little Heathcote VFO, and I put that on 1610 kilohertz.
	And I put it on the air.
	And we got a call from the captain, and we're standing in front of the captain, a couple other fellows, friends of mine, myself, and he said, what you're doing, we think, you know, we thought we were going to get the axe, you know, Article 15, something awful.
	He said, we think what you're doing is wonderful, but you're keeping people awake with that music in the barracks.
	Can't have that.
	So this, our captain of our squadron called the Mars station on Amarillo Air Force Base at that time, now closed, and said, we've got these guys here doing a wonderful thing.
	Can you give them some room?
	He didn't play.
	Okay.
	So he gave us two rooms in the Mars station.
	Access to some equipment and access to all of the poles they had outside for gigantic antennas.
	So, I modified a little ham transmitter, AM, and we put 50 watts on the air, on M.O.
	Air Force Base.
	Andrew and my friend, we did it for a year and a half.
	18 months of 24 hours a day broadcasting, and I guess you could say we were caught.
	What happened was pretty weird.
	Amarillo, the town, was, I don't know, 30 or 40 or 50 miles away, quite a ways away, and so Amarillo Air Force Base was kind of isolated.
	Well, guess what?
	About a year and a half after we began, we showed up in an Arbitron survey in the city of Amarillo.
	About ten minutes later, and that's how long it took the commercial station in Amarillo to call the general of the base, we were standing in front of the general, and that was the end of KMED.
	Which was our pirate station on Amarillo Air Force Base.
	But we ran that sucker 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for a year and a half before they got us.
	And we showed up in the survey in Amarillo.
	Now, is that cool or what?
	That's cool.
	Yeah, that's a bad thing to show up in the Arbitron.
	Yeah, it's bad.
	Very bad.
	We still didn't get disciplined.
	All we had to do was immediately turn it off.
	And I think the reason we got away with it was because The people on the base were kind of chagrined that, you know, the people at the Mars Station didn't know it was highly illegal.
	In fact, they thought it was great!
	So, got away with one.
	That was 35 years ago, and I'm sure the statute of limitations has long since expired, and that's how I can tell that story.
	So I've got kind of a background that way myself.
	And it is creative, and it is fun, even though it is illegal.
	There are various moves to get Some legal low-power broadcasting going for the average citizen.
	Now, that's been somewhat squashed, I guess.
	But still, there's something out there.
	Isn't there going on right now?
	Yeah, there have been about 250 applications that have gone through to the FCC, and I believe are getting passed through.
	So, there is a little bit going on out there.
	These stations are for low-power FM, and they will be...
	Between ten and a hundred watts.
	So there will be some stations out there, but they won't be covering a lot of area, and the FCC has, well, the legislation that they were originally putting through has been modified a lot because of objections from the National Association of Broadcasters.
	So it's been squished a little?
	Yeah.
	So not too many of the major cities will have Any kind of low-power FM, mostly where it will be, will be out away from everything in rural areas.
	And, you know, a lot of those areas, they aren't even putting out, they aren't even trying for low-power service.
	So, yeah, it's kind of marginal.
	I'm sure it will help out some people, but not too many people.
	So, in other words, Certainly.
	Not so much on AM.
	is done but not very much it's nothing that is going to uh...
	probably quiet the pirates is another with a will
	that they will no doubt continue to what they're doing what they're doing on the
	a m and f m bands in terms of piracy effect certainly uh...
	not so much on a and there has been a whole lot of activity on a m
	i left with a so crowded now Yeah.
	And on FM, there's been a lot, but there's been... The FCC's been focusing a lot more on FM than on shortwave for anywhere else.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Andrew Yoder, hold on.
	When we come back, we'll have actual samples of pilot broadcasting for you, and some of this stuff is an absolute riot.
	You're going to love it.
	These are people who just decide, hey, you know, I'm going to broadcast to the world, and I can do it on shortwave, And I can do it for very little money, and I'm gonna just have some fun.
	And it's all been captured by Andrew Yoder.
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	on, is play a couple of clips. These are actual pirate broadcasts.
	Very short clips that you're about to hear, but these are actual pirate broadcasts.
	Here we go.
	Just when you thought it was safe to stop by your shortwave radio, you were listening to the special Halloween edition of Radio Comedy Club International.
	The fun one.
	Okay, so there was one pirate, uh, IDing, sort of.
	Uh, sort of, I say.
	Here's another.
	You're listening to WKZT, Katie's app!
	7.415 on a shortwave band.
	7.4... 7.145?
	415.
	415.
	And that is a very common... Everybody's asking on the computer here, what frequencies can you generally hear these broadcasts on?
	but but but but seven point four what what seven one four five
	uh... four one five four one five and that is a very common everybody's asking
	uh... on the computer here what frequencies can you generally hear these
	broadcasts on what range
	uh... not so much uh... around thirty four fifteen anymore Now it's more around 69, 55.
	And it's kind of interesting because while we were on break, a pirate came up on 69, 55.
	Really?
	He-Man Radio, and he's doing a special Art Bell broadcast.
	He-Man Radio?
	Yep.
	Just a minute here.
	I can get to 69, 55.
	69, 55?
	i can get sixty nine fifty sixty nine fifty five uh... let's see i can get there
	Yep.
	uh... is he really there right now Is he on sideband or AM?
	Sideband.
	Lower sideband?
	Upper.
	Upper sideband.
	I can do that.
	Alright, let me see if I can hear anybody here.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	Yep, he's there.
	Ah, by golly, I hear him!
	Alright, listen, this next clip is that long clip.
	That I would like to play for everybody.
	This is really interesting, very creative on somebody's part.
	Tell us about this, what we're going to hear.
	This is from the Voice of Laryngitis, and this is a pirate that broadcasted through the 80s, pretty much a little bit into the 90s, but mostly in the 80s, and they were just hobbyists, shortwave hobbyists, and they weren't professional broadcasters, and they didn't have an audio background or anything.
	They did this all on their own.
	They did this all on their own.
	Very creative stuff, folks.
	Listen very carefully.
	This is pretty wild stuff.
	Let's see, it's number five.
	Okay, here we go.
	You can tell they love the FCC.
	Now, Pilot Buster presents...
	The case of the radio pusher, who destroys young American lives for his own gain.
	Pirate Busters, presented in cooperation with Federal Communication Commission field offices in every city of the United States of America.
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	♪♪ Our story opens in the local FCC field office in Innytown,
	USA, where Tommy, the kid next door, is discussing a matter of
	life and death with FCC field office director Jay Eagleby.
	Gee, Mr. Heaver, I don't know where to begin.
	We have a saying here at the FCC, Tommy.
	Begin at the very beginning.
	Yes, sir.
	At first, the universe was one big atom.
	Then... And that was called the Big Bang.
	Yes, we picked up the radio signal from that on our super-heterodyne electric radio wave detector and direction finder.
	The S-E-R-W-D-A-G-F, for short.
	This device can pinpoint the location of a child's walkie-talkie as far away as planet X. We've determined the location to be at the exact center of the universe.
	Wow!
	We believe this to be a natural phenomenon and have closed the books on the Big Bang Broadcaster after 17 years of intensive investigation.
	But Mr. Heber, can I tell you about Bob now?
	That's what I'm here for, kid.
	One day after school, Bob and I were walking to football practice.
	Gee, Bob, I hope I can be an All-State quarterback like you.
	Get back in those steroids, kid.
	Hey, isn't that the guy that hangs around the schoolyard?
	I bet he sells pornography or cigarettes.
	Oh, right!
	Get down!
	I'm your friend, Uncle Mouse, and I want to show you what's happening!
	Just ignore him, Bob.
	Maybe he'll go away.
	Ah, don't be such a square, Tommy.
	You guys into... radio?
	Yeah, we listen to it all the time.
	Ha ha ha ha ha!
	Listening is out of it!
	What is cool is broadcasting!
	Feast your eyes on this!
	What is it?
	What it is, is a Mr. Microphone, my friend.
	Just tune your radio to an empty frequency, turn it on, and... Insta-feature!
	Let me try.
	I don't think you should, Bob.
	Hey, baby!
	You like me?
	Wow!
	This is great!
	Like it, Bob?
	You keep it!
	Just remember your friend, Uncle Mouth, when you need batteries or something with that
	nuclear war power, you know what I mean.
	Then something really awful started happening to Bob, Mr.
	Heaver.
	J.E.
	Heaver had heard this story billions and billions of times before.
	This Uncle Mouth was just another of that breed of scum sucker.
	The Radio Pusher.
	This slimy piece of crud will give an innocent teenager a so-called legal transmitter with a few milliwatts of power.
	Before the poor kid realizes what is happening to him, he's hooked.
	Soon, a few milliwatts doesn't give him propagation he needs, so he gets a transmitter that runs on AC current.
	This is called mainlining.
	One watt, ten watts, one hundred watts.
	Soon, the intense radio waves eat up the brain, and the pirate dies a hideous death.
	Then he quit the football team, started wearing really strange clothing, and he even uses bad grammar.
	He doesn't want to be called Bob anymore.
	He claims his name is Dr. Hot Dog.
	He's so far gone.
	To support his habit, he shoplifts, deals in drugs, even sells advertising.
	Tommy, your friend is sick.
	From the sounds of it, he may spend years, maybe the rest of his life, in a sanitarium.
	That's if we get to him in time.
	Meanwhile, on the other side of the track... Okay, okay!
	Just let me borrow an electron tube!
	I just gotta make a broadcast!
	I told you, punk!
	No money, no trip!
	Please, please!
	I've given you all the money I saved for college!
	I've given you my car!
	I've even given you my letter jacket!
	I have nothing left!
	You haven't given me your sister, Margaret!
	There was still one shred of decency left in Bob's radio-defecated mind.
	No, you scumbag!
	Bob picked up the heaviest thing he could find, the current volume of FCC regulations, and... Uncle Mouth fell dead.
	Tube!
	Tube!
	I got my 6146 electronic wspobah a crying example
	Mr. Heaver, it took several hours It took several hours.
	All that paperwork is necessary because it's the law.
	And if it wasn't for paperwork, the FCC wouldn't be what it is today.
	I never thought about it like that before.
	Hey, there's Bob's house!
	Look at all those illegal radio antennas.
	Disgusting.
	Hand me that machine gun, kid.
	Machine gun?
	You're not gonna shoot, Bob!
	Maybe the kindest thing.
	Then suddenly, from within the house... That's Margaret!
	Bob's sister!
	Tommy and Field Director Heaver followed the scream into Bob's bedroom.
	They were not prepared for what they saw.
	No matter how many times I see something like this, I'm never prepared for what I see.
	On the carpet lay the smoldering corpse of Bob!
	Next to the bloody body of Fluffy!
	His radio desecrated mind must have thought that Fluffy the cat was his radio transmitter.
	Look!
	He split the cat's head open, trying to force that 6146B tube in it.
	The blood must have gushed all over, soaking Bob.
	And then when the blood hit the power transformer in his real transmitter, the electricity cremated the outer five layers of his skin and caused his head to explode, spraying brains all over him.
	What a horrible way to die.
	Oh, Bob!
	Oh, Bobby!
	So ends the career of Uncle Mouth, the radio pusher.
	This is a true story, but it could happen to your son, your daughter, or your cat.
	Know and watch for the four radio addict warning signs.
	One, clothes that smell like burnt solder.
	Two, a sudden interest in electronics.
	Three, Spending an abnormal amount of money at Radio Shack.
	Four, asking for a tape recorder for Christmas.
	If you notice any or all of the warnings, call the FCC field office nearest you and
	call your minister and pray, mom and dad, that it's not too late.
	Hi kids, this is FCC field officer Jay Eager Heber.
	You can be a Pirate Buster too.
	Here's how.
	Calling all Junior Pirate Busters!
	Calling all Junior Pirate Busters!
	Be on the lookout for public radio enemy number one, the so-called Voice of America, also known as Radio Free Europe and AFRTS.
	This illegal broadcaster claims to be a legitimate outlet of the United States Information Services.
	It is rumored that they broadcast information about the United States to the commies and other enemies of the United States.
	The Voice of America uses several different frequencies to try to avoid capture.
	The first broadcast noted by the FCC was February 16th of this year.
	Do not attempt to apprehend.
	I repeat, do not attempt to apprehend.
	Suspect is high-powered and very boring.
	If you hear the Voice of America, contact the FCC field office nearest you.
	That is all.
	Thank you for watching.
	The 1,000-mile cordless telephone.
	Anyway, see you next time when Pirate Busters presents the case of the 1,000 mile cordless
	telephone.
	The 1,000 mile cordless telephone.
	And there they go, chomping off.
	So in other words, Andrew, this guy was poking a stick at the snake.
	He was going after the FCC and the Voice of America and just about every institution around.
	Now, how wise was that?
	In other words, to be virtually taunting the Federal Communications Commission?
	Well, it was a flicker way of taunting than a lot of people have done.
	That's true.
	But still, I mean, it's shaking your finger at the snake, you know, about to bite you.
	Yeah, and for the most part, it seems to be a bad thing to do because, well, this one, I don't know, the FCC agents might have enjoyed this, but it does seem like they hold grudges against stations that say the wrong things.
	They do that.
	So, if they were to actually lay their hands on this guy, He probably would be in for a very extremely rough ride.
	Especially if a FCC field officer were to be thrown.
	I mean, there's not many ways they can take that other than a direct insult.
	Yeah, there was one station that referred to the FCC as pinheads on the air, occasionally.
	And whenever that station was raided, one of the FCC agents made a comment about being pinheads.
	Well, I'm sure they do, and I'm sure they're normal human beings, these FCC field officers, and they just might leave you alone if you're not sticking your finger in their face and calling them names.
	But on the other hand, if you taunt them, then it does seem like they, after all, have the resources of the taxpayer.
	The government behind them, and if they really want to find you, I presume if you broadcast long enough, they're going to find you, aren't they?
	Yeah, it's really not that hard to direction find somebody.
	I know of people who have, just people with a regular radio that have found stations, but the problem is sending somebody out from their field office and getting that station while it's on the air.
	Now, the Commission doesn't have as much money to do that kind of thing as they once had.
	Budgets have been cut and so forth, haven't they?
	Yes, they have, and then there's a lot more that they have to worry about.
	There's a lot more cell phone activity and potential interference there, and just a lot of electronic devices, all the computer devices, everything that they have to worry about now.
	But really, prior radio is a low priority, although I think it's probably a little higher than it should be.
	Now, listen carefully to what this guy says, just in part.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	We already heard that one.
	Here we go.
	No, no, no, no.
	That isn't what I want, either.
	Here we go.
	So, without sticking with that, that was a guy saying, the FCC's at my front door, right?
	Yeah, that was a joke, though.
	the door and I told her to come back.
	Without digging with that, that was a guy saying the FCC is at my front door, right?
	Yeah, that was a joke though.
	Oh, it was?
	Yeah.
	Have there ever been broadcasts that have been interrupted by knocking at the door or the sound of machine guns or anything like that?
	No machine guns, but there have been times where the FCC showed up and you could hear the station being raided in the background.
	Not so much lately, but there have been a few.
	That was more like in the 70s and the 80s.
	That happened a few times.
	Sometimes the FCC will read a prepared statement over the air.
	Oh, you mean on the pirate station?
	Yeah, which is kind of strange, because they've actually told pirates to turn the transmitter on, and they would read a broadcast.
	So, really, they are effectively broadcasting illegally, but... Well, I don't know.
	I guess one might... Well, you're right, really.
	They wouldn't have any more authorization, or would they, than anybody else.
	Turn that station on, son.
	We've got to talk here.
	And then they actually address the people listening?
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	They're saying this station has been closed down by the FCC.
	Talking about the Communications Act for, you know, just like a minute or two.
	And there's one person out there who actually has a QSL from an FCC agent for a pirate broadcast.
	No.
	Where he was closing down a station.
	Now, a QSL is a card, folks.
	now here's how much bravado these broadcasters have
	some of them you're going to hear are going to actually give out their their
	addresses kill boxes and stuff like that which seems incredible to me and you can write to them when
	you hear them and sort of identify what you heard in the broadcast
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	No, we need a 25.
	I think of it as an amusement park ride, Art.
	Really, I mean, it's such a wonderful thing to realize you have absolutely no control.
	Art, George, a 25 would turn entire continents over.
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	And what was the result?
	I mean, did the monkey live?
	orgasm once every three minutes. You're kidding. No. And he, uh,
	I guess the monkey gave himself an orgasm once every three minutes for 18 hours
	straight. And what was the result? I mean, did the monkey live?
	Yeah, he did. The monkey lived. He fell asleep and then he woke up.
	In other words, in other words, in the right kind of a society,
	we could put buttons on, on all of our women.
	Heh.
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	Remember everybody, this is for entertainment purposes only.
	This is not meant to encourage anybody to do anything illegal ever under any circumstances.
	But it is a reality of life out there.
	Nobody else has ever broadcasted it, so I thought, what the hell?
	And what the hell must be Andrew's attitude, too, because at the bottom of what he sent me, it says, philosophy of life.
	I eat cereal, therefore I am.
	Is that your philosophy?
	Well, maybe not quite.
	I like it anyway.
	These signals we've discussed can travel as far away as around the world.
	It's really easy and can be very cheap to put one of these stations on the air.
	The FCC would like to catch, but doesn't actively seem to go after these shortwave pirates so much.
	But they do go after the FM pirates, don't they?
	Yes, they do.
	I don't recall exactly what the specifics are, but I believe it's somewhere in the hundreds of FM Pirates that have been rated in the past three years?
	Hundreds.
	That's a pretty safe number, so they're really going after money.
	One of the questions that you wanted to be asked here, I really want to ask.
	I'm really, you could say, into commercial radio, since right now we're on, you know, like 512 stations or something like that.
	My question is, in what ways can commercial radio be made better?
	And so how would you answer that?
	Well, that one's kind of a big question, but there are a lot of different ways, I think.
	For most of the FM stations these days, it seems like there are a lot of... Just about every format is a Top 40 kind of format, whether it's... If it's country, it's current Top 40 hits from the country market.
	If it's album rock, it's Top 40 album rock.
	If it's...
	Well, radio is a business.
	it's top forty oly's uh... there's really you don't hear too many of uh...
	too many other bands you don't hear too many local bands uh... there's very little life music
	uh... there's a lot of things i think they could be done that are really pretty simple that would make
	uh... radio a whole lot better well radio is a business
	radio follows and so if you're going to change radio you've got a change
	where the money is or you know where you can get the money
	Because that's really, at the bottom line, what it's all about is money.
	Right?
	Yep.
	Commercial broadcasting is about money.
	And so if you were going to really change it, revolutionize it, a true revolution, you'd have to remove the money part of it.
	Yeah, I think that really the revolution has gone kind of the other way when the restrictions were lightened on how many stations A particular company could own in a market and nationwide.
	I work for one of those companies.
	Now listen, as far as shortwave pirates are concerned, there's really no age barrier, is there?
	No, I know of stations that have been probably about the youngest, maybe about 12 or so.
	Let's see if we can gauge the age of this broadcaster.
	This is KRZY.
	We just got a special wolf in handy to me.
	There is little green men attacking people all over the town.
	They're called Gremlins.
	What's that?
	What is that?
	What are they?
	Oh, it's Gremlins!
	How old do you think that one was?
	I believe he was 11, but he wasn't running it himself.
	I believe his father was the guy who was actually the main pirate.
	But he got on the microphone.

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