Art Bell’s 9/11, Day 2 episode dissects the attacks’ aftermath, from Flight 93 passengers’ heroic sacrifice to Bush’s "act of war" framing and unanswered questions about civilian casualties—estimates as high as 10,000. Callers debate retaliation risks, like Stinger missiles targeting Air Force One or civilian backlash, while experts reject Nostradamus prophecies as fraudulent. A Boeing co-pilot highlights cockpit vulnerabilities, and global reactions contrast: Koreans fear economic fallout, Australians mourn with solidarity, and a Navy vet demands swift action. Bell warns against abandoning constitutional values, stressing that unchecked vengeance would let the terrorists triumph. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I've been to all good evening, good morning, or good afternoon, wherever you may be across the globe, and it's a big listening audience out there.
I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
And as I did yesterday and probably will do tomorrow, this program is going to be in open lines all night long.
I've thought very hard about this since this has happened, since all of this has happened.
And CNN is doing just a superb job, as has been Fox since CBC and the BBC and so many other networks.
Just a superb job of getting experts on the air to talk about what happened in New York.
And they're continuing to do that, and I'm glued to it just like everybody else is, so I'm not going to regurgitate what they have been saying all day long.
I will, however, talk about it.
That's a different story.
Looking around the headlines very quickly, New York City is requesting 6,000 body bags.
Nobody seems to know exactly how many dead there may be.
They just don't know.
Our own government has said, well, maybe hopefully the estimates are too high.
Others are saying they're low and there will be 10,000.
Nobody really knows.
That's one thing they're really not talking very much about.
They certainly know the dead among their own, the police and the fire, and that's horrific.
More than 300 firefighters?
Oh, my God.
But in terms of the number of civilians killed in the buildings, they don't really know yet.
President Bush seeking the okay to retaliate.
President Bush himself using the words, acts of war.
And that will bring on a question tonight, to be sure.
The inquiry now focusing, obviously, much more heavily on bin Laden.
It looks like they've got an awful lot of evidence, doesn't it?
The airline's still not flying.
Some limited flights of those flights that were underway will continue allowing some passengers to get to their destinations.
No more knives.
Lots of new rules to be expected, right?
More than 24 hours now after the airliner smashed into the Pentagon.
They still really don't know.
They just don't know how many are dead, as I said a little while ago, and hopes are dimming for anybody found alive.
Cancellations everywhere, baseball being canceled.
Other games, other events being canceled.
People can't get to them, you know, no flying, so you can't just hopscotch around anymore.
You know, there's a few things involved in all of this that I really would like to talk to you about.
And the first item is Flight 93.
Flight 93 was the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania while it was on its way to apparently crash into the White House or perhaps the Capitol building.
They're not really sure, but probably the White House.
They think that was the target of that plane.
And an incredible story, an incredible story of what went on in Flight 93.
And this is pretty good information, you know, with all the rumors flying out there right now.
It's hard to know what is real and what's not.
But we think we know for sure some things about Flight 93.
And that would be that as the aircraft was streaking along, headed toward Washington, D.C., after it had made the turn back toward Washington, D.C., there was a passenger on the plane who got through on a cell phone or on the plane's phone,
I'm not sure, but got through to a family member who was interviewed by CNN and others who said that they obviously were, it was a panic call saying we're hijacked.
Well, the family on the ground in turn gave information to the passenger that one plane had already collided with the World Trade Center.
They knew that at that time.
So that information was relayed to the passengers on Flight 93.
And as I understand it, the male passengers on Flight 93 apparently herded to the back of the plane.
They now believe that the flight crew, the stews in the back of the plane, were threatened or perhaps they were killing them one by one to get the flight crew to come out.
Flight crew came out, they grab them, they take the plane.
They think that's how it happened in each case, as a matter of fact.
However, in the case of Flight 93, as this plane streaked toward, in all probability, the White House, the male passengers voted, voted to rush the hijackers at their own expense.
Now, whether they intentionally crashed that aircraft, and that's what it looks like to me, or whether they simply in the process of trying to overpower the hijackers to stop this, whether that caused the crash.
Either way, there were people, men on that plane, who voted to overpower the hijackers who had one man, a two-month-old daughter with him.
Others, probably entire families.
So I think these people are really heroes.
I think these people deserve the Medal of Honor.
These people decided to forfeit their own lives.
What greater sacrifice does anybody ever make?
None.
Forfeit their own lives to stop this plane from crashing into its target, whether it was the White House or the Capitol building.
And I think they're really heroes.
I mean, I tried to sit and imagine what it would be like in your last moments as the plane you were in was headed toward Washington, D.C., with knowledge of what it was going to do, and they did have that knowledge, to take a vote, which most surely, one way or the other, was going to end your own life to save the White House.
Now, there's a lot of heroes in this, but I really want to call attention to what these people did.
I think it's amazing.
I think it's heartening.
I think a lot of things, but it's heartening.
So I'd like your comments on that.
Fox News reported earlier in the day, and this may be, you know, there's so many rumors going on, but they reported that one man apparently rode the building down from the 82nd floor and lived, ended up in one of those pockets.
I can't imagine that.
Can you actually rode down as the building collapsed?
You saw the collapse on TV, right?
Can you imagine riding it down and then somehow ending up alive?
I do have a photograph on my website, which is very disturbing, which got up there about 15 minutes ago.
This photograph is an unaltered, let me repeat, unaltered photograph of one of the moments of the impact.
In fact, it really is just about the moment of impact because of the fireball you'll see of this aircraft on one of the Twin Towers.
The explosion of the 767 into the second World Trade Tower, actually.
And you be the judge.
This was sent to us by Matt Massey.
You be the judge yourself.
But there is, without question, the face of a devil in this photograph, of an evil entity or the devil or whatever, and it's very clear.
I don't know about Matt Massey's outline, perhaps showing more than I see in the photograph.
I don't see a full devil as does he, and he's outlined that for you.
But without question and without a difficulty, I do see in that unaltered photograph an evil face.
You be the judge.
That's on my website right now at artbell.com.
It's the damnedest thing.
We found these in a number of photographs.
You remember the election photograph and what we had right in the middle of the two candidates?
Remember that?
And a number of other photographs.
But there's very little question about this photograph.
We just got it up before airtime.
If you go to my website, artbell.com, click on what's new, and then photos from 911 terrorist attack.
It is the first photograph right now there.
And below it, what Major Ed Dames, as a matter of fact, I guess we didn't get all of that up.
We didn't get the important part of it up.
I'll have to talk to Keith about that.
There was more to this.
I guess if you click and enlarge it, let me see.
I think you're going to have to do that.
It may be, yeah, I think in the entire photograph.
Right now, my own website is slowing down as zillions of people go up there following my directions.
So I've just slowed myself down to a point where it's going to take me a minute or so to get this photograph.
So patience, everybody.
There's a lot of traffic up there right now.
At any rate, the drawing that Ed Dames did send me, I faxed on to Keith, and he has put up on the website of where he believes this attack originated.
I'd like to say something about the Canadian people, because I know I'm speaking to almost all of the Canadian people covering Canada coast to coast as we do the U.S. and beyond.
The Canadian people have been fantastic throughout all this.
About 17,000 is it people who are being provided hospitality by Nova Scotia and throughout Canada.
As a matter of fact, four planes that landed in Canada, still nothing is particularly flying, and so these people are stuck in Canada.
These Americans for the most part are stuck in Canada.
And the Canadian people have been wonderful.
Big-time friends.
Now, make no mistake, with the incredible amount of uncovering of evidence today, there's going to be an attack.
We indeed are going to attack someone somewhere, possibly Afghanistan, the Taliban, and if you listen to what the president has been saying, an act of war, his words, an act of war.
And he was very clear about those who harbor people like bin Laden and company.
And so that would include Afghanistan.
One would imagine at the high side of what we might do, an attack on Afghanistan.
Now, what would that mean?
That would probably mean an attack on their military capability, whatever that would be.
It may well mean an attack on their infrastructure, you know, power plants, that kind of thing.
We don't attack Intentionally, civilians at all.
So, at the high side, all I can imagine, of course, there could be other countries involved as well.
And so, we could have, make no mistake about it, a war on our hands.
Most of the newspapers that all these networks review every night talk about acts of war and war, it's war, headlines like that.
So it may be war, but I wonder if you think that prior to attacking anybody, we should obtain, we should declare war.
Now, how long has it been since we have declared war?
World War II?
So, shouldn't we declare war?
Or is that not important?
Have the days of declaring what you're going to do become moot?
I'm not sure.
What do you think?
I somehow think we probably ought to.
So, should a declaration of war be made prior to any attack, which obviously is coming?
And I have one more thing I want to talk about with you, and I will, after that, open the lines and do exactly what I've pledged to myself.
I have had, I bet, a hundred offers of experts to come on the air and guests who would like to come on the air about all of this.
But I am declining them all because I think the right thing for me to do is to let you have a voice, simple as that.
I don't hear a lot of that going on.
I hear wall-to-wall coverage, which is great, and I'm watching it myself, you know, as I'm sure many of you are.
I don't hear a lot of open lines, so I'm going to continue to do that.
The other thing that I wanted to touch on before we open the lines tonight is Fox was doing some interesting coverage earlier in the day, and as part of that, they had a man who's running around with this new technological invention.
They call the videophone, which is amazing to get that much movement over a POTS line, whether it's from Afghanistan or here in the U.S. is astounding.
That's plain old telephone line, by the way.
So they said a man, somehow, one of the Fox reporters got permission to do what nobody else had done, and that was to go virtually to ground zero and observe what was going on.
And oh my God.
You know, he took pictures as he went, and as they properly pointed out, it's not just the World Trade Towers that are gone.
It's like 10 blocks in either direction, with varying amounts of damage, from totally destroyed to light damage at the outer end.
But my God, the pictures.
I don't know if any of you have gotten to see them yet.
I imagine many of you have, frankly, but I have never in my life seen anything like it.
Short of a science fiction movie about nuclear war or...
It's like from the worst sort of disaster movie with the best special effects you've ever seen in your life.
In fact, this whole thing is kind of like that.
The pictures of those planes smashing into the towers, it's like a movie.
It's like a disaster movie with just really good studio work.
Except this is real, and it just happened.
The damage, it's unbelievable.
In order to produce that much damage, and I'm sure the terrorists calculated very well here, in order to produce that much damage with conventional explosives, well, let me rephrase that.
I think that you could not do that much damage with conventional explosives.
So make no mistake about this.
This required a lot of people, a lot of planning, a lot of money, and a lot of detail work on the part of the terrorists to achieve.
I mean, they really, really, really knew what they were doing.
I think it would take a nuclear-tipped something to produce that much damage.
Otherwise, I've never in my life seen anything like it, except in the movies.
But in my lifetime, I have never seen anything in real life that would get anywhere near equaling what I saw this Fox reporter got, my God.
It's going to be weeks and months before they get things picked up.
So, after the break here at the bottom of the hour, I'm going to do exactly what I have pledged myself to do, and that's to open the lines to all of you, and you're certainly welcome to discuss any of this or anything else about this incident.
That's about the only thing that anybody out there is thinking about.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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You, oh, oh Higher and higher, baby It's a living thing Call Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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Just to repeat, we've got a photograph on the website that will knock your socks off right now.
In fact, I'll tell you a little history.
I received it.
This is definitely unaltered.
I received the first copy of this photograph from a man who had plucked it from CNN's website.
It's obviously of the impact point of the second aircraft.
And it is, in fact, unaltered, but he had put on it a caption, what the F is This?
So I decided we wouldn't post that version.
Then I had some more versions, and finally, tonight, this same version, and so I know it's unaltered, Matt Massey sends it, and without question, without having to look at Matt's little drawing of the devil, when you look at this photograph, it leaps right out at you.
You don't need Matt's little illustration for you to see the evil, perhaps face of the devil, some would say, or an evil entity in this photograph.
It'll leap out at you.
It's now the second photograph down.
When you go to my website, just go to What's New and Photos from the 911 terrorist attack.
And I think it's now the second photograph down.
This one will blow you away.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I absolutely believe in evil.
And that means not just the evil in men's hearts.
There's certainly enough of that to go around, but in a separate evil.
I believe in a separate evil.
And so I'm not surprised to see this photograph.
It just says, what do you think at the end of it?
And so it's a good question for you.
What do you think?
It's at artbell.com.
All right, all of that said, we're going to do a quick break and jump into the phone lines as promised.
Stay right there.
All right, here we go, into the night with unscreened talk radio.
In a way, back when we did live under that threat, and, you know, I got, when I was a kid, I was under my desk duck in cover, you know, here you come.
So I went through that.
And in a way, certainly, you know, retrovision is 2020.
But we were safer then than we are now.
Yeah, in a way.
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Yeah, and like I said, I really didn't have any frame of reference with which to take in this, you know, that was happening yesterday and compare it to anything at all.
But last night at about midnight, I walked outside, and I'm in a fairly rural area, and so it's fairly dark outside, and I went out in my backyard and looked up, and there wasn't a single flashing light in the sky.
I went into my backyard, my back desert, with my wife earlier today, and we both just stood there, and we looked at the sky, and we said, man, this is really eerie, isn't it?
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Yeah, and part of you wants to go, hey, for once, I get to look up at the stars and not have to disregard the flashing lights.
But for once, I wanted to see him have that feeling that things were getting back to normal, but they weren't there last night.
And it was midnight and a new day was starting.
I was thinking to myself, as this new day starts, none of the days after this are going to be the same.
I mean, I'm not saying this is some cataclysmic event, but things will be.
You know, we've all suffered a great psychic shock, and we all want justice, but I think we all need to be thinking carefully about our steps that we're going to be taking, like you said.
Well, shocked and in shock are kind of different things.
I was sort of in a different state yesterday in that it almost, and a lot of it today, too, as I look near ground zero, it almost, you've got to suspend belief.
You look at it, it's like a movie.
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Yeah, I wanted to comment what you said about the building quickly, because I heard one of the, the fellow, in fact, the famous demolition group that brought down the kingdom up here, and they're known worldwide.
He said he looked at that, and it's his opinion that it was the fireball that brought it down.
But the other thing I thought it was interesting, they said, and it goes along with what you said, there's a huge amount of damage around there.
They're expecting two more buildings to collapse.
He said the highest building that his group had ever brought down was a 49-story skyscraper, and no one in the world, he thought, even knew before this happened what the effect of bringing such a huge building down would be.
Yeah, well, I don't think they ever bring down buildings quite like that, even though it fell as one of our casinos might fall in Las Vegas almost straight down, which was amazing, cascading on itself.
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In fact, it was a miracle.
The people that helped design that are from around Seattle here.
In fact, I heard them talking.
They said only because of the outside building being designed a certain way did it pancake, otherwise it would have fell over sideways.
So we're extremely lucky because that would have killed a large number of people beyond what it did.
Apparently, once the temperature got to 800 degrees or so, the metal melted and the rest then became inevitable.
And I wonder if the people inside the building in all of that time, because there was some indication, some people were told that everything was all right in the building, you know, on PA systems or fire systems or whatever they had, they were telling people it would be all right, and they might not have known it's not going to be all right.
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Yeah, I think there's a huge amount of chaos, and I don't really think people knew what was going on outside.
Let me bring up two more quick things, and maybe hopefully the rest of the program, some other people might want to discuss this, and then I'll get off here.
But since I work here in the town of Boeing, I talked to a friend of mine.
I've only had one other person on the show bring this up who was a pilot.
He said this could all have been prevented if the flight crews had not been taken over.
Now, what I'm wondering is why no one is talking about, why we are not doing this, is reinforcing the bulkheads.
And what I think we should be doing is what he said, is we should be putting a bulkhead on there with stainless steel and Kevlar.
All that said, though, sir, let me ask you about what you think about the people, the men of Flight 93.
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Oh, I agree with you.
I believe that they were heroes.
I don't know if we'll ever know for sure, but I believe that they were.
In fact, a friend of mine even brought up an interesting thing we discussed today.
The other flight did at the Pentagon, they know now from tracking it, it was headed for the White House, and they think it was going to go to the White House and the Pentagon with its backup.
And he said, because you start to think about this, the people on there probably didn't know that most of those planes were going to be crashed because they just knew they were taking over.
And the people heading for the White House, they were low enough, they might have figured out that they were going to crash it into the White House, and maybe there was a struggle because that plane slowed down and turned sideways.
Well, they knew that one plane had already slammed into one of the towers.
We know they knew that, and we know they took a vote.
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine?
I mean, you would know almost for sure what would happen if you, without pilots, you know, just as a bunch of passengers who took a vote went up and rushed the cockpit.
You know how that's going to turn out.
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I'm just saying, he was just saying that.
Think of the psychic shocked nation if they'd crashed it straight into the White House.
One other thing, Art, that maybe people want to comment on, I'll get off here.
We were talking about bin Laden.
Bin Laden is being given sanctuary in Afghanistan right now because they're no longer selling as many drugs and he's paying most of the cost for the Taliban.
He also has camps in Pakistan and vis-a-vis, which we talked about last night with Ed Bames.
I think we should all be thinking seriously now, and I think the Congress finally is, about terrorism and people coming into our ports and bringing in biologicals and weapons rather than missile shields.
Vis-a-v, the Pakistani dictators, they have nuclear weapons.
You know, the problem that we have, and I don't know what we're going to do about this, you may have comments on it.
Obviously, we're going to have to begin relinquishing some freedoms in order to have more security, period.
That's a fact.
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Right.
Some.
But like I said, I'm worried about, you know, we could provoke an entire war over there if we get into Pakistan and maybe, you know, who knows what will happen, Afghanistan, and who knows what will happen because he has camps in Pakistan, too.
I know what you're saying, but last night I said to you, and I say again tonight, we have been shocked.
We have been saddened, but we sure as hell have not been defeated.
They're going to about to find out how undefeated we are as a nation.
Sure, it knocked us down, but not out, not by a long shot.
However, if as a result of what happened in New York, we have to virtually remove so many freedoms in our quest for safety that we become something other than what we are, you know, a constitutional republic.
If so many freedoms are removed that the Constitutional Bill of Rights doesn't mean what it once did, then in a way, they win.
You and I are watching the American press, which concentrates on that because it sells.
But not all.
That's a radical fringe.
And listen, we've got radical fringe right here in good old US of A. No question about it.
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And I don't want to succumb to that radical fringe and lose my constitutional freedom.
And I think what we can do is we can draw up a list of every known terrorist, and we can tender it to the Muslim countries and give them 72 hours or 10 days to deliver every one of those people to us, or we can take out Mecca for 1,000 years.
And I think that is the way to go.
And I think that we take that 72 hours or 10 days and saturate the world media with the idea that these people are doing it to themselves.
If they lose Mecca, it's because they are causing the problem.
But I think, again, military targets and infrastructure in Afghanistan, if it turns out that he's the guy and they're harboring him, that's the way I think it'll go down.
I'm Art Bell.
Open lines all night long.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
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You'd think that people would have had enough of silly love songs.
I look around me and I see it isn't so.
Some people wanna fill the world with silly love songs.
And what's wrong with that?
I'd like to know.
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However, if you have been a past guest on this show and have something you wish to contribute to the conversation, I will speak briefly with you, as I said last night.
And that would apply, I suppose, to anybody in the category of some kind of expert or somebody who has something to contribute of exceptional quality.
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In a moment, I've got a couple of very important things for you.
Just breaking Associated Press, they're now saying that they believe as many as 50, I repeat, 50 people were involved in this plot to do what was done in New York.
Now, you think about that a little bit.
50 people involved.
How could they possibly have kept anything quiet with 50 people involved?
And yet that's what they're saying.
All right, here we go.
Very briefly, going to the mountains of New Mexico and Richard C. Hoagland, who has wants to say a word or two and has an announcement.
And I also think that maybe the passengers on Flight 77 also should be thought of in a similar vein because according to Fleischer this afternoon, they had credible intelligence that that flight was, the one that hit the Pentagon, was headed for the White House.
When I say the wrong side, I mean on the other side from the Navy side, which is where the aircraft hit, was the Secretary of Defense Office, Donald Rumsfeld, and the Joint Chiefs.
If you're going to do this, obviously you'd be aiming to take out the top.
So those two things indicate to me that there was some last-minute on that exactly, on that aircraft.
Yeah, I just wanted to say that because of the gravity of the situation and because of the inappropriateness, I think, of doing anything but going through this as a community, as an American family, I've decided not to appear at the Bay Area UFO Expo in San Francisco this coming weekend.
We put a notice on our website with appropriate condolences, as I said, the victims and their families.
I've talked to some of the other speakers, and there is a definite sentiment that we should postpone this, and I would hope that people would think of it in that light.
Actually, a number of people sent it to us, but Matt Massey is the one that grabbed us as the one we ought to put up.
There's an evil face in this.
It jumps right out at you.
You don't need Mr. Massey's little diagram on the right of what appears to be the devil to clearly, clearly see what appears to be an evil entity in the middle of this impact picture on the building.
You can see it by going to my website, arpell.com, under what's new, the 911 pictures.
That was what they did to bring the crew out, yes.
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And the other thing was, most people don't realize that, you know, from what we've seen in past terrorist attacks, that when they take over and hijack airplanes, they don't usually crash into buildings.
So when the pilots perceived this threat, they weren't thinking that they were all going to die.
They were thinking they were going to get hijacked and end up at another airport somewhere or a series of airports and that would end the way most hijackings end.
So I'm with you.
I understand that.
Look, if you've got somebody who's willing to die to accomplish their ends, they're very hard to stop.
And I'm not sure the ban on knives and all the rest of it could prevent something like this from occurring again.
Maybe a series of things they could do might help.
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Yeah, I think maybe better training for the pilots and maybe having them stay in their cabinet at all possible costs.
I have right here what was said, and I agree with you.
It's not accurate.
What was on the internet, it says, in the city of God there will be great thunder, two brothers torn apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb.
Third big war will begin when the big city is burning.
And then it also says, on the 11th day of the ninth month, two metal birds will crash into two tall statues in the new city, and the world will end soon after.
And that really doesn't, that's not consistent with his writings.
You know, I was watching the coverage today, and when they mentioned that Air Force One was one of the targets, some of the commentators began to speculate that, well, one of these rogue airplanes was going to target Air Force One.
They said, look, those airplanes and their whereabouts were well accounted for.
We knew where they were going, or at least they knew at that point where they were going, so they could not have gotten to Air Force One, so it had to be another threat.
And they acknowledged, yes, there was some other threat, which they refused to talk about.
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Well, I think, well, see, well, that's good because I think what it was was they probably had some terrorists on the ground close to where they suspected Air Force One would come in with one of these handheld ground-to-air rockets.
I mean, the CIA, the 60 Minutes, did a big story way back when that the CIA was supplying those things to the Afghani freedom fighters when they were taking on the Soviets.
I mean, you got to imagine there was a few of those things left around after it was all over.
You know, something else I wanted to mention, too, talking about what you mentioned before about our loss of freedoms, I saw Tom Daschell do a real short interview on one of the channels today, and he mentioned right off the bat that, hey, people, you are going to lose your freedoms.
And right away I thought, boy, there goes the Bill of Rights right out the window.
And I mean, we're going to be living like the Soviets did in the 80s.
I hope that we can, in some way, increase security.
Everybody's going to understand that.
And right now, I understand that as much air rage as there has been around the country, almost everybody is in full, complete understanding of why they're not going anywhere right now.
Why nobody's going anywhere right now.
Why airshipments are stalled, stopped, and why passengers are either stranded or unable to move as they would have otherwise.
Everybody understands.
But it is eerie.
Oh, God, it's eerie.
You know, out here in the desert, we're right in McCarran's flight path to San Francisco.
And so on any given day here, the sky is full of contrails and airplanes.
And it's just eerie.
It's silent.
It's dead.
I'm sure many, if not most of you, have experienced the same thing.
And I wanted to address the backlash right now in this country against Arab Americans.
I myself, I'm half Lebanese, you know.
Yes, sir.
My family, like my dad, is full Lebanese.
I have relatives that are.
And what made me call is I just was in a gas station on the way home picking up snack, and I overheard two guys at the counter, and I caught into their conversation, and I heard, you know, that they were saying that we should kill them all and everything, and they were referring to Arabs and Arab Americans, even people within our country.
And the word terrorist has become synonymous with Arab in this country right now.
And I just want people to realize that terrorists, McVeigh was a terrorist.
Stalin Hitler could be construed as terrorists.
David Koresh, they didn't have any Middle Eastern descent or anything like that.
And it's just sad that this is like a time when we need to come together most of all.
Yeah, but haven't we come a long way in America from wanting a head on the platter to wanting any head on the platter?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
And that's where it crosses the line is when it becomes internal violence within our country, you know, and people getting, you know, I've seen all day on the news today death threats to different Arab organizations, you know, even Arab organizations who hang their own, you know, American flags outside their places to show their support, you know.
And it's just, it's crazy.
I want one thing I just, you know, I really think and I want everybody listening to know is if you are, you know, feel like that violently towards internal, you know, people inside our own country that are Arab Americans, then, you know, you're no different than the people who did this attack on America.
You know, I don't think anyway, that might be just my opinion, but, you know.
I very much appreciate your call, and I agree with you.
Thank you.
That's right.
Then we don't differentiate.
We don't delineate, do we, between those who did it and those of the same skin color or religious persuasion or whatever.
And if we don't do that, then we're not much different, are we?
And we are different.
We don't kill innocent civilians.
We don't try and go out and kill innocent civilians.
And even when we do retaliate, even if it is massive, I would Expect, as I said earlier, for example, with respect to what we might do to the Taliban and Afghanistan, we would go after their military capability, which would be significant.
We would go after their infrastructure, which could include some pseudo-civilian type things like power stations, infrastructure things, bridges, that sort of thing.
There will be collateral damage, but the difference, albeit in the minds of some a small one, we don't try to kill civilians.
And we're sure how we react to this is going to define who we are.
unidentified
Exactly.
And I think that the biggest defense we have is to choose love at every turn because if we match that hatred, then we're just contributing more of that to the world.
Well, yes, but I don't confuse that with no response.
I am fully prepared to respond.
And if this fellow did it, if there were 50 involved here in the U.S. and more in Afghanistan, if it turns out that's the way it is, then I have no problem going in and destroying all their military capability and most of the infrastructure of that country.
Goodbye.
I have no problem with that.
Do you?
unidentified
I think that it's absolutely essential to put these kind of forces back in their place.
They can't be invading.
If people want to live in hatred, they've got to stew in it in their own misery.
I know it's a, as I said, it's a base instinct of humanity.
That's why they had lynch mobs.
That's why people who would never have normally joined a lynch mob would suddenly get in, yes, bring them up.
It's a base part of the human brain, you know, that early man brain.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
Coast to Coast AM All right, I'm now getting word that instead of nine survivors, as originally reported, there are only five survivors.
That apparently, airing on CNN, I guess, my wife just handed this to me, that they said there are only five.
I wonder how they could get that wrong.
They have nine as the figure for, what, the last 15 hours or so.
So now we learn it may be just five instead of nine.
That's remarkable.
Well, here's also a remarkable call for you.
This is Steve on Canal Street in New York.
Virtually, I understand, at ground zero.
Is that true, Steve?
unidentified
Yeah, well, I mean, I'm at the last checkpoint, and I just came in from outside, and we can walk all the way down to Chambers Street, right, where you listen to it and the...
You can't get into the neighborhood unless you're a, you can't get below 14th Street unless you're in the neighborhood, and the checkpoints get more and more severe as you go downtown.
And you've got to have more and more of a reason to be there.
So you are at the last checkpoint.
unidentified
Yeah, I've got a decent piece of real estate here in Tribeca.
And, you know, I mean, I live and work in the same place like a lot of the artists that have been down here, and they kind of blew up our neighborhood.
I saw the second one fall.
I stood there and watched with all my neighbors, you know.
Yeah, right now I'm sitting out, I'm walking out into my street because I've got a ground floor, a big, I've got a whole ground floor here.
And my street is one block south of Canal, so all the police have turned into their parking lot, you know, and this is where, like, they coordinate and they sleep in their vans before they go back down.
And it's weird, you walk around, it's just zombies.
And it's like, I don't want to go above Canal Street because it's normal up there.
And everywhere else in America, it's sort of normal.
And I mean, my business shut down.
I'm just sitting here.
I mean, all my neighbors came out.
We played baseball a little bit, but we're New Yorkers, so then we said goodbye.
Everybody's just a zombie and it's weird because everyone in the neighborhood, the neighborhood's filled with people, but they're all strangers to the neighborhood.
So I walk out with my dog and even though I'm like below this line, it's like I'm a, you know, you know, it's sort of like I'm familiar with the place, you know?
Yeah, sure.
What I said, some of the interesting things I saw was this one guy talked to me as, like, we saw the second building fall down, and it was like a wave of people coming from downtown, uptown, half covered in soot and stuff.
And then they all sort of left and got quiet, and then it was like a wave pulling back, and all these people with cameras and onlookers and like almost vermin came flying back into the neighborhood, you know?
You know, everybody's pushed out above Canal Street, and I can just walk around.
I picked it up and it had the little hash marks in it.
And as the wind changes here, it gets stinky and then you air out the house.
You know, the best thing that somebody said to me was one of the guys running up, sort of in shock.
He had seen a whole bunch of people fall out the building.
He was right across the street at the three financial center, whatever it was, a messenger guy.
And on his way up, he said he saw this very well-dressed businessman, and he was just shocked.
He's like, how are you?
And he was a friend of his.
They talked to each other all the time.
And he said, you know, what's going on?
And the guy just looked up and said, my brother's on the 101st floor.
And then the thing fell down.
This guy came, this messenger dude, he found an old lady that was like really just trying to get out of there, pushed people out of the way, got her out, and they ended up talking with me and my neighbors on the corner for quite a while.
And he said, you know, I just got this job and I love coming to work every day.
Every day I'd come in and I'd look up and it'd be like two gold bricks shining in the sun.
You know, talking, you know, they got a little crackhead, and I let go of them.
I mean, what they hit and why they hit it are obvious.
The financial capital and the political capital.
What's missing, though, is why?
What national policy of the United States do they want changed?
What demands are they making?
Isn't it odd that there would be such a large, complicated terrorist action and there would not be some sort of verifiable claim and then of course the usual diatribe of what they want changed?
Otherwise, all we can suppose is that the motive and the only motive for doing this was to scare the hell out of us.
And so you might infer from that that the further motive would be to turn this into a sort of a police state to, through fear, achieve what could be achieved no other way, and that is have us turn our back on our own freedoms.
I have a large Arab-American population in our area, and I have a teenage boy, and I don't want him to have misdirected anger and such.
But the media shows Palestinians dancing in the streets over this psychotic, horrendous act, you know, where they've killed innocent women and children.
And I don't know how to explain to him that he shouldn't hate these people the way they hate us.
They're showing women and children partying over the death of our loved ones.
And if anyone has any suggestions on how this is supposed to be justified in the eyes of my child.
I went to get gas in the morning, and a guy pulls up in a turbine, and I actually started walking towards his car.
And I realized it was the old guy from the Quickie Mart, and I got a grip on myself, but it really sickens me, you know.
And I think if I was an Arab American at this point, I would dress up like a Mexican or stay in hiding or something because I'm a very peaceful, passive, rock and roll guitar player guy, nonviolent.
Well, I don't know that such a thing can be prevented.
That's what I was just trying to say.
If somebody is willing to give their life for a cause, if they're willing to die for a cause, then they stand a better than even chance of getting away with it.
And that's how this happened, I think.
These people were more than willing and prepared to die to achieve their goals.
And in three of the aircraft, they did.
In one of the aircraft, they didn't.
So what is that?
A 75, a 25 chance of success if you're willing to give up your life?
They can prevent knives.
They won't give out steak knives anymore, not even to the first-class passengers.
Well, I suppose where there's a will, there's a way.
And so ultimately, how we deal with this, I just don't have the slightest idea, and I'm sure the people in authority are grappling with that exact problem.
The President of the United States is just, the media is now being issued to change the words on the screen from where it says terror in America to America under attack.
Tomorrow in the next few days, that's going to be on all the screens.
Due to the loading on my website right now, it's down to an absolute crawl.
So please be understanding.
It's just absolutely getting slammed.
And if the powers that be out there, which are by the servers, would please do something about it, we would appreciate it.
We understand we're getting slammed.
But let's pay attention out there.
All right, listen, in a moment, the world's expert on Nostradamus with us for a quick moment to straighten us out on what's going out all over the internet.
This wild thing that Nostradamus supposedly said that is only partially correct, a nugget of truth in it.
We'll find out what the whole truth is because I've got the expert on Nostradamus, the world expert John Hogue coming on in a moment.
As promised, the man who is regarded by many as the world's expert on Nostradamus, I'm sure, will have something to say about what's going around on the internet right now, supposedly quoting a Nostradamus quatrain sounding just like what happened in New York.
My website, like yours, has been slammed starting from 5 o'clock this morning from Britain and Daily Mirror in London to people from Singapore, India, everywhere, asking me, is this prophecy that's going around about the city of York, etc., is it real?
Well, the bits and pieces of it are from century 10 of Quatrain 72 about the year 1999, seven months.
The king of terror will descend from the skies.
That's been stolen from there.
Some of the issues about two great brothers at war, that's been stolen from the Castor Pollock's prophecies about Hungary and the Hungarian Revolution.
And a few other things with insertions that link it all together that are totally spurious.
And I would only add that this is the kind of thinking that a fundamentalist mind does with all kinds of scriptures, whether it be the Quran or the Bible or Nostradamus.
They put their bias and their prejudice and they find the things that suit it, and they pluck it like a ransom note and put it together and frighten the world.
Yeah, the first thing I wanted to say, I'm just totally outraged about all the innocent people that died and people that are rejoicing and parading around.
You know, that just irks me.
And I was watching the news tonight, and they were saying one hijacker was trained at a U.S. flight school.
And if they could make a law of letting, you know, not letting the Iranians or Iraqians or Palestinians ever step foot in this country, that would solve a lot of problems, I believe.
What you're doing is indicting an entire people for what a fringe radical group has done.
Now, there may be cause to, as the president said, go after the government that harbors these murderers, these terrorists, but that doesn't mean to go after a whole people as you would do there.
That's exactly, frankly, what I've been talking about tonight and others have been talking about tonight.
God, that's dangerous.
It's our primal selves.
I understand that, but we can't do that.
Not without being what they are.
Or turning ourselves into something other than what we thought we were or are.
We've always had our hands open to the world's underprivileged people.
And I know it's not popular, politically popular these days to retain those sentiments, but they were written there for a reason.
And if these terrorists manage to change us into a police state so we're all safe for our own good, or they turn us into haters so much that we turn into a virtual lynch mob, then they have succeeded.
I'm all for a heavy response, but an appropriate response.
An appropriate response is to go after these people, bin Laden and company, and kill them.
Now, what might that mean?
Let's fully understand what might that mean?
Does that mean safe, easy, let's push the button on cruise missiles?
No, it means more than that.
We've missed bin Laden that way plenty of times.
What we will have to do if we really want to get him is to go in and get him.
To put U.S. Marines, as we always have, on the ground in Afghanistan, no small matter, and go and get him and kill him.
Or bring him back and put him on trial and kill him.
Then as far as the country of Afghanistan and other countries that have harbored people like this, if that's what turns out to be true, and it's certainly going in that direction, we have every right then to take apart their military capability, take apart their infrastructure.
But we dare not go beyond that.
We dare not begin killing civilians because then we are as they are.
And so that kind of call just really scares the hell out of me.
That's correct, because they're trying to follow what Bush is doing right now.
unidentified
He's meeting with a bunch of different countries right now and connecting up, making sure that they support us, because what we're about to do, a lot of people will look at it just as bad as they are, because there's going to be casualties what we're going to do.
We're going to have to tell the world that, hey, if you ever do this to America, and this is what's going to happen to you, we're going to do something that the whole world's going to go, oh, my God, they're serious.
We're going to do something incredibly serious, and the whole world's going to be just as scared and just as shaken about what we experienced just right now.
unidentified
Our country is going to take this ever from anyone, ever again.
I'm all for doing that, but I don't think that what we can do is to just sort of, for example, go after civilians, for example, drop a nuclear weapon on Kabul or something like that.
We can't do something like that.
unidentified
Pakistan, I don't know.
Maybe they'll fly over and drop letters on that area and say, look, innocent citizens, leave this area now.
There's going to be a major event that will happen in this particular area.
Just evacuate the city.
We did that with Japan, I believe.
We dropped letters that stated, you know, get out of this particular area, something's going to happen.
We don't want innocent people hurt any more than anyone else does, but there has to be a message sent that America can't be touched like this.
No, I'm talking about former officers who've come out of the cold and have said that their own agencies have lied, have peddled propaganda to justify bellicose operations against countries around the world, have fabricated propaganda.
And I think people who know better are pretending not to know better throughout the media.
Well, check out Covert Action Magazine and their org website because I think what we're going to find out here is that this is a deliberate plan to threaten what's left of our democratic rights.
I think the people in the Pentagon and these demagogic politicians in the White House and Congress are drooling at the prospect of seizing on and twisting and perverting this situation, leaving out the fact that the United States has, contrary to what you said, killed millions of people around the world, from the 3 million people in Indochina with saturation bombing, with flachette bombs, with Agent Orange in Indonesia and in Latin America.
Millions were killed as a result of CI overthrows of governments, the support of an arming and training and creation of death squad regimes that have killed hundreds of thousands of people in Guatemala, El Salvador, Latin America, and for instance now in Iraq.
According to Progressive magazine, they've got an article by a man who's got DIA defense intelligence.
If you'd been the guy in charge during the years that communism was flourishing and spreading, because that was the only way it could survive, and you were in charge of liberty, freedom, and the American way, what would you have done?
I know that we overthrew some governments.
I know that we did.
unidentified
I don't believe it had anything to do with protecting our freedoms.
Well, sure it did.
If you look at it, it had nothing to do with that.
Sir, if the communists wanted to take over the world, which they did, you do acknowledge that, don't you?
unidentified
I absolutely do not, because the United States had the thousands of bases around the world as projected forces, whereas they had their forces around their borders primarily.
The amount that the United States in support of U.S. transnational corporations had around the world was totally different.
All right, I'd like to point out to you, listen, I appreciate your calls.
Goodbye.
But there are hidden histories on both sides.
And I know that we haven't been angels.
I know that we have had covert operations.
And we've overthrown governments or had them overthrown.
And we've done our own assassinations and all the rest of it.
Anybody who would think otherwise is naïve.
But to suggest we are the evil incarnate, and then probably to go on and suggest that what happened in New York is just punishment for that evil nature and the evil that we have done throughout the world is crazy.
Absolutely crazy.
We have behaved as we've had to behave internationally.
We've been dealing with the Russians and the Chinese now and many others who do not wish us well.
And we've had to get down there in the trenches and fight with them.
And that's not always a pretty thing.
And so we have not always acted in a pretty way.
But still, as I look at our Constitution, even our corporate nations, yeah, I'm on your side there.
Sure, we're a nation of corporations, so what?
We do have something that the rest of the world does not have, by and large.
We have these precious freedoms.
You and I may certainly agree that they're to some degree threatened by what's going on right now.
The rest of it sounds like party line to me.
Oh, West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hello there.
Hi.
My name's Mary Ellen, and I'm calling from Southeast Oregon.
And, you know, Holly and I put together about a five-part series on nuclear biological threats to the United States, and he featured really high right there in the middle of it.
In fact, if you can go to our website, we've got a link up there straight to that five-part series.
And just click on the second one about Osama bin Laden.
You can see there's another evil face on that one.
And, you know, you could convict somebody of a crime without much evidence.
Just circumstantial.
People get convicted many times of murder on circumstantial evidence.
And most of it's there, motive, means, opportunity.
It's all there.
unidentified
Well, even out of his own mouth.
I mean, you know, I can't see how people can't see this.
I mean, we've been trying to warn people for some time, you know.
Actually, I'll tell you what, I found out something the other day, which is quite interesting.
Here at the United States, there is a group that's been formed to fight terrorism and to prepare for terrorism attacks, and it's been operational for some time.
And you can see it on their government website.
It's www.tswg.gov.
And if you want to see some real clout, you go see who sits on that board of directors under Colin Powell and what they do.
Well, how do you suppose, Stan, that with all of these organizations and all of our government agencies, we've managed not even to get a sufficient whiff of this to act?
unidentified
I don't know that that was exactly true.
They've caught a lot of other guys, as you know, since...
And there's a whole big mustard gas and chemical warfare storage depot south of us, about 20 miles, with hundreds of buried, well, you know, mustard gas things and other things they had.
Now, just checking in from here and letting you know that all the expat community here, we're losing probably more sleep than people in America because the CNN news happens during our nighttime here.
Well, I'm sure that you've heard some of the people calling in.
There are some pretty severe reactions, both to people of Arab nationality and to calls for virtual carpet bombing, if not nuclear warfare, that kind of thing.
unidentified
You know, and I'm glad there's not a lot of that going on here in Korea.
Korea is actually very, very quiet.
I don't know if it's something that I'm projecting onto society, but it really seems like the atmosphere here for the past couple of days has been somewhat subdued.
Koreans seem to generally be concerned about what our response will be and what effect that response will gather from the rest of the world.
The economy is still pretty weak here, and Koreans seem to be generally pretty worried that whatever we do is going to directly affect their economy for the negative.
On an individual basis, every Korean I see, I don't even have to know them, but they'll still tell you, how are you?
Are you from America?
Is your family okay?
Are your friends okay?
How are everything?
But I mean, there's genuine concern for us expat as an individual as well as their own interests.
They don't call it the World Trade Center for nothing.
And I guess I don't have to tell you, I'm sure you've been watching, our economy has been softening and softening anyway.
So this, you know, we're all very nervous about when the markets do reopen Friday or Monday or whatever.
That maybe having this extra time is good so everybody can digest the fact that it is not the end of the world.
And hopefully the economy will not take a gigantic tumble, but it's a worry.
unidentified
It is militarily.
The Koreans have really stepped up.
The Korean military is on high alert.
The U.S. military here is on full alert.
Everyone's restricted to base.
All passes have been canceled.
But they're also, just the police presence on the streets here has just doubled, if not tripled, it seems, in my opinion.
I mean, the interesting thing is we become so complacent about these things, Art.
It's really sad.
Every now, you lived in Okinawa for a while, so the U.S. Embassy will put out these warden reports if there's any type of a threat that might be coming.
And these, you know, we all got a warden report on the, it was either the 7th or the 8th saying there was a credible threat of a terrorist attack or terrorist threats against American expats in Korea and Japan.
We get these every couple of months.
And so everyone did what we usually do.
We go, thanks, stop cluttering up my fax machine and throw it away.
And that's the kind of service you can provide for us out there in the rest of the world.
And you sure have done that, sir, because a lot of people are suggesting that's exactly what's going on.
A lot of, well, you're getting what you deserve.
That isn't true.
unidentified
Well, when the first bombing happened in 93, I think there was a lot of that.
Sort of, well, this will wake you up.
This will make you think.
But this goes so far beyond any bounds of any decency or humanity that you'll notice that not even the regular terrorist groups that always claim responsibility for these things, none of them seem to want to have anything to do with this either.
Well, a lot of people would imagine that when one hotspot lights up, when something like this happens, then you look at other hotspots around the world.
So we've got our eyes on you over there.
unidentified
I've got my eyes on me here over here, too.
God bless you over there, Art, and best wishes for everyone.
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unidentified
Hi, Art.
How you doing?
This is Gene from Colorado Springs.
Hi, there.
I haven't been able to listen to your program until you put me on here, but when I was driving home earlier, you had a caller that was talking about the retaliation.
He hoped it would be surgical and we would keep away from civilian Fatalities and wherever this may occur.
There are always, there's always what they call collateral damage.
People, innocents, are always killed.
But it's the intent that counts.
In other words, are we trying to just hit military installations and infrastructure?
If so, I'm behind that.
What about you?
unidentified
Normally, yeah.
And yesterday when this occurred, I was at work.
I'm an engineer by trade, so excuse me, I'm playing the cold ones.
And, you know, the first thing that came out of my mouth and the co-workers as well was, my God, I hope when we, not if, but when we retaliate against this, that we do, you know, keep down on the collateral damage as much as possible.
But over the last 24 hours, I've been thinking about this, and it's become more and more apparent to me that this is, yesterday the rules changed.
And the policies and the rhetoric, I think, is probably going out the door on this.
And what we're looking at here is an act of war.
And if we declare war against it, then I think we may have to come to the point very quickly where we decide we have to make a moral decision as a country and as a people whether we're going to go at this in the way that it truly needs to be going at or make a token action.
If bin Laden and his people did this, then I think we need to kill them.
And in order to really kill them, sir, I think it's going to take more than cruise missiles.
It's going to take blood and guts Marines on the ground.
They're going to have to go in, find him, and take him out.
Then after that, I certainly can understand any nation supporting him, harboring him, take out their military ability, take out their infrastructure.
But if you begin killing their civilians, if you just go in and ride one down and use a thermonuclear device or something of that sort and kill a bunch of civilians, then I don't see how we're any different.
unidentified
Oh, no, no.
And I totally agree.
I mean, nuclear weapons, anything of that kind of mass should be left totally out of this.
What you do is you do bomb, you do use the cruise missiles, and you always do that.
You soften them up.
But all that mostly causes them to do is to duck their heads.
You want them ducking their heads while the people hit the ground.
unidentified
And unfortunately, they're going to be ducking their heads behind innocent people.
And I have a 12-month-old son, and I look at him and I think, I'm sure there's an Afghani with someone who may have been involved with this living right next door who loves his son every bit as much as I do.
That sounds like you're really coming down with zombie.
In the case of their hiding behind innocent individuals, then you have collateral damage.
Because it is an act of war, and it does not stop us.
The fact that they would hide behind innocence does not and should not stop us, in my opinion.
We do what we have to do.
We respond.
We take a calculated action.
But part of the mix for us, for our country, just absolutely has got to be the intent not to try and kill civilians.
That's not us.
I don't want it to be us.
I don't think most of you really, when you think about it, want it to be us.
Do you really?
I see some primitive heads out there shaking yes.
I understand the emotion, but I think once you've thought it over a little bit, you'll understand that there are ways to accomplish what we need to do without doing that.
I hope so anyway.
I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
This is Coast to Coast AM, raging through the night.
unidentified
There's something happening here.
But what it is ain't exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun over there.
Telling me, I've got to beware.
I think it's time we stop.
Children watch that sound.
Everybody look what's going down Music by Ben Thede This battle minds being wrong.
And nobody's right if everybody's wrong.
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Yeah, I was just basically a little bit concerned in some ways.
I spent some time in Afghanistan.
It was just doing a software installation.
It was a fairly straightforward thing, but unfortunately I was there at the worst possible time.
They'd actually just started as the rebel forces, or not rebel, they're actually presidential forces, had started to recapture Kabul.
In fact, the day after I arrived, the airport itself was bombed.
I saw one of two things there.
I mean, they had martial law imposed, there was street searches, that sort of thing.
You can imagine the sort of situation.
I was only meant to be there a very short time and ended up being there for a whole month.
But whilst there, the place where I was staying, it was actually a house which was owned by a UK company that was actually responsible for part of what was going on with the software installation and so on.
We were subcontracted.
There were some rocket launches which were very near where I was actually staying.
There was something incoming mortar.
And basically the point I'm trying to make is that where I was staying was very near both the UN building and the Red Crescent, which is like Red Cross in Europe and so on.
It seemed to me that the outgoing rocket fire was deliberately positioned between the two buildings to try and encourage some sort of retargetary action to hopefully, as far as I saw it, you were hoping that it might miss the intended target and hit one of those two buildings.
And I think we all understand that terrorists, cowards that they are and the way they operate, if they're cornered, they're going to put themselves in front of civilians.
There's no question about it.
So any attack on our part is going to have to take that into account.
And while I'm certainly not in favor of targeting civilians, I'm afraid that it's going to be, we're sorry, it's collateral damage, but it's an act of war, like the one perpetrated on us.
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Well, no, things like this have been done deliberately before.
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get to us, use the I wanted to tell all of you, there is an incredible photograph.
We've got the website back up and cooking along now.
So if you're still awake with us at this hour, feel free to jump in and you'll get right in right now.
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Go to What's New and then photos from 911 terrorist attack, which is right up there under What's New.
Go to the second photo down and see if it just doesn't hit you right smack between the eyes.
And as the person who sent in the photograph, which is an unretouched photograph, you'll be chilled to know, Matt Massey, as he says, what do you think?
You tell me, what do you think?
This was at the moment of impact, and you can check it out as an unretouched photo.
Go to the CNN website yourself and take a look-see.
It just hits you right between the eyes.
This is a face of evil directly below the fireball.
I don't know what else to say about it.
Check it out yourself, artbell.com right now.
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You know, to me, if anything is liable to bring a tear to my eye, and somehow through all of this, I haven't cried yet.
It's like with the news, you watch it, but you don't want to watch it.
But you have to watch it.
And that's the way it's been with me, and I've been glued, you know, to CNN.
I don't mind giving them a plug.
And Fox, I've watched a lot of that.
Some Canadian broadcasting, they've been very good.
The BBC has been good.
I think I've been primarily on CNN and Fox.
Fox may have discontinued continuous coverage.
I'm not sure.
It seemed like they were about to earlier today.
But this Flight 93 thing, it probably got me closer so far than anything else to imagine a group of men on that flight, men with families both on the ground and with them in the air, one man, voting to rush these terrorists, knowing that it would probably be the end of their lives and then doing so.
I think that act is a Medal of Honor kind of act.
I don't see how you could not Wish to give a medal of honor to the people who did that.
They stopped that airplane from getting to the White House or to the Capitol building and at the direct and immediate expense of their own lives and that of their family.
God, what a decision to have made.
Can you imagine that?
That's been something that's been with me all day long since I heard about it.
I want him to go in there on the ground, in the air.
I want him to go in there so I don't have to look over my shoulder every time I take a walk or look up in the sky and make sure that the airplane ain't coming down on me or my kids.
What pain those people are going through in New York.
How dare they do that to us?
It is time that we got them where we want them.
And if the nations are going to back us, then we'll be able to go in there and annihilate them.
And of course, we're going to lose a few guys.
But my God, we've already lost how many people have we lost?
Usually when this happens, this sort of thing, and we've had a lot of lesser occurrences, the coal, and, you know, I could go on and on, Marines who have been killed.
And we usually don't do very much, or we do something that's seen to be very ineffective.
So I agree with you.
Let's go in and stop it.
This is war.
I don't want to see us doing anything that's going to kill a lot of innocent civilians, but some will no doubt die.
I know there's probably no real correct sentiment.
Who am I to be judging?
But I agree with that lady.
I guess what that really means is I agree with that lady.
Let's go get them.
And I think that's probably exactly what they're planning to do in Washington right now.
At least I certainly hope so.
I know one thing for sure.
What I talked about last night in terms of being in chalk and that being converted to anger, that process is underway right now.
You're beginning to hear it reflected in some of the calls that we've been taking this morning.
That process is well underway.
And the president and the people around the president understand that.
There's a sort of a period of time where they're going to have to take action, after which it'll be more difficult to take action.
A window of opportunity, if you will.
And the president is going to have to act within that window of opportunity because you can already feel the shift underway as you listen to people speak this morning.
Yes, you don't hear a lot of talk in Washington right now about bringing these people to justice, which means we're going to go get them and put them on trial in the court at The Hague or something or another, or even back in the States.
Forget that.
Let's go kill them.
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And I think that the ones that they find in the United States who are part of this, they should turn over to the military and do what we do with enemy soldiers.
Where we are at war, we have war declared on us, just like when Japan dropped the bombs on Pearl Harbor.
I got to tell you, I'm looking at your pictures on the website and the WTC2 series that is on your webpage.
If you look at the second series of photographs that were sent in, the second picture where the plane is going into the World Trade Center, there looks to me, and I'm looking at it right now, looks to me like another face of another devil or evil spirit or whatever you want to call it.
I'm just going to tell you that.
First off, second off, I cannot believe that this has finally happened.
The United States, I think this is going to be the beginning of the war of good versus evil in the world.
Finally, the people of good are going to align against the evil forces, and finally, we may have a resolution to good and evil on this planet.
Paul, I don't know if it's going to be that wide-sweeping, but I think this particular evil is about to be snuffed out.
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Well, you mentioned earlier, as I've listened to the phone calls, that you, on the one hand, you feel that the United States needs to take a broad sweep at the evil forces.
On the other hand, you're saying, well, collateral damage, yes, innocent people are going to be killed.
But at the same time, you know, what are we going to do?
I mean, innocent people are going to be killed regardless of what we do.
And how are we going to go after bin Laden without causing an army of his forces to continue to braz this country, and not only this country, but the rest of God-fearing people on this planet, to line up and do exactly what these people have done?
And I actually offered, even though, see, what I was talking about earlier, about like how my cousins that are Syrian, I have family that's in Syria and Lebanon, and they look nothing like a typical Arab.
They're really light-skinned.
Most people think I'm Eastern European, okay?
But most of my Mexican family look very Arab.
They have the straight hair and the eyes and everything else.
They look very Arab.
That's why I'm saying you can't just look at them and try to attack people because even if it's a natural urge, because I know that I thought the same way.
I was like, can we just bomb them, please?
But then I remember seeing that thing on CNN a couple weeks ago back about Afghanistan.
I guess that day is not today, so you're going to have to be careful.
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Well, actually, I offered to wear the head covering, too.
And just so that way she wouldn't be alone.
That was the way she would feel alone.
I offered to do it.
And I agree with you about Flight 93.
And the other people who just definitely deserve everybody's prayers and thanks and everything are the firefighters and the rescue workers and everything else.
There were hundreds of people there, you know, basically trying to express their grief.
And also at the same time, he was shaking hands with everybody.
The Australian Post Office all over the country have got books now where people can go in there and sign it and give messages that will be sent to the consulate and that will be forwarded on to the United States.
Toys outside, the blood banks, there's people right around the corner offering to give blood to our American countries because we're pretty close to you guys.
And it's like our Prime Minister said, an attack on the United States is an attack on Australia.
Well, believe me, for America, I thank all of you for your support.
And I think Americans are feeling the support and feeling pretty good about it.
It's nice for Australia.
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Well, our Prime Minister came onto news and he said that basically if America decides to take action and they need troops, then our troops will be committed along with yours.
Well, I guess I'll first tell you my story is I began a trip on Monday, and we were actually flying into New York the night before, Monday night, into LaGuardia.
And we were vectored directly over downtown, New York City, right over the World Trade Center.
And the thought actually crossed my mind that, wow, you know, it'd be really easy for someone to crash into the city from up here.
Do you understand how this was done by the hijackers?
In other words, getting passengers and stewardesses in back and beginning to slit throats, I suppose, and getting somebody like you or the pilot to come out and then rushing the cabin?
It's very, very flimsy, and it's actually made that way just because of weight problems.
The kind of doors that people were describing on your show earlier that they think ought to be on airplanes really would add a great deal of weight to the airplane.
There was something discussed on almost all the channels earlier that I would like to ask you about, and that is that between the first airplane impacting one of the towers and the second airplane, there was about 18 minutes in which air traffic controllers on the ground simply sat back in horror, knowing exactly what was happening and apparently couldn't do anything.
It's just hard to imagine a group of passengers voting, sitting back there, voting, knowing they're going to end their own lives to stop something from hitting the White House.
You know, I think they're going to have to put better doors there, obviously.
Because as I tried to say earlier, you know, I know they're going to stop.
There are no more knives on aircraft and so forth.
But when you consider the prisoners make shanks and stab people, there's always a way.
I mean, if you're willing to sacrifice your life for a cause, no matter how perverted from our point of view that might be, your odds of success are probably about three out of four.
Well, I don't know if this is going to be relevant to what has been happening, all the terrorism that we've been having here in the States, but I'm here in Dallas, and my name is Vicki.
And earlier I was watching the news on Fox, and the local news came on and said that a plane had crashed in the Yucanton Peninsula.
And I just, you know, I want us to do something desperately, but like you said, I don't want a lot of innocent casualties.
I'm just hoping that...
And I'll tell you one thing that makes me feel really good is like the Australian caller that called earlier and offered their supports and their troops and everybody is sticking behind us.
And all the patriotism that, you know, is going on and everything like that, and people are coming together.
I get the definite sense that the world is looking at what has happened in New York in a very very different light than anything that has gone on before and whatever you think of U.S. actions in the past and we have not always been the perfect princes and princesses have we of course not but this one is so far over the top that I think it eclipses any feelings of that sort that people have had like the man from Korea said what's to the Rockies you're on the air
And according to his co-workers and the people he has talked to, the word is that they will only be at about 20% as far as flights go for the next several days.
And he says that it will be probably a couple weeks before they're in full gear.
Well, you know, though, their whole plan, apparently, since they haven't said anything else about why they did all this to us, what they expected to achieve, is to scare us.
And I've flown all my life and I'm still here.
And I have a feeling if you fly, you're going to get a little inconvenience because it's going to be a whole lot of security.
Well, people need and want something to turn to in a moment where it seems there are no other answers.
And so the church is an obvious place.
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And with as many people that were there when the service let out, normally you can hear elevated voices and people chit-chatting and having a good time.
And there was very little chatter with all the people that were there.
going to I hope still be the home of the you know home of the brave and the free and all the rest of it but something has profoundly changed that's just the way it is listen I got to run thank you very much All right, thank you very much and have a good morning.
I'm Mark Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM this week in continuous coverage of you.