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Sept. 12, 2001 - Art Bell
02:42:41
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - Callers Respond and React to 911, Day 2
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From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, or good afternoon, wherever you may be across the globe, and it's a big listening audience out there.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM, and as I did yesterday, and probably will do tomorrow, this program is going to be in open lines all night long.
I've thought very hard about this since, uh, This has happened since all of this has happened, and CNN is doing just a superb job, as has been Fox, and CBC, and the BBC, and so many other networks.
Just a superb job of getting experts on the air to talk about what happened in New York.
And they're continuing to do that, and I'm glued to it just like everybody else is, so I'm not going to regurgitate what they have been saying all day long.
I will, however, talk about it.
That's a different story.
Looking around the headlines very quickly, New York City is requesting 6,000 body bags.
Nobody seems to know exactly how many dead there may be.
They just don't know.
Our own government has said, well, maybe, hopefully, the estimates are too high.
Others are saying they're low and there will be 10,000.
Nobody really knows.
That's one thing they're really not talking very much about.
They certainly know the dead among their own, the police and the fire.
And that's horrific.
More than 300 firefighters?
Oh my God.
But in terms of the number of civilians killed in the buildings, I don't really know yet.
President Bush seeking the okay to retaliate.
President Bush himself using the words, acts of war.
And that will bring on a question tonight, to be sure.
The Inquiry now focusing, obviously, much more heavily on Bin Laden.
It looks like they've got an awful lot of evidence, doesn't it?
The airline's still not flying.
Some limited flights of those flights that were underway will continue, allowing some passengers to get to their destinations.
No more knives.
Lots of new rules to be expected, right?
More than 24 hours now after the airliners smashed into the Pentagon.
They still really... They don't know.
They just don't know how many are dead, as I said a little while ago, and hopes are dimming for anybody found alive.
Cancellations everywhere.
Baseball being cancelled.
Other games, other events being cancelled.
People can't get to them.
You know, no flying, so...
You can't just hopscotch around anymore.
You know, there's a few things involved in all of this that I really would like to talk to you about.
And the first item is Flight 93.
Flight 93 was the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania.
While it was on its way to apparently crash into the White House, Or perhaps the Capitol building.
They're not really sure, but probably the White House.
They think that was the target of that plane.
And an incredible story.
Incredible story of what went on in Flight 93.
And this is pretty good information.
You know, with all the rumors flying out there right now, it's hard to know what is real and what's not.
But we think we know for sure some things about Flight 93.
And that would be that as the aircraft was streaking along, headed toward Washington D.C.
after it had made the turn back toward Washington D.C., there was a passenger on the plane Who got through on a cell phone, or on the plane's phone.
I'm not sure.
But got through to a family member, who was interviewed by CNN and others.
Who said that they, obviously, it was a panic call, saying we're hijacked.
Well, the family on the ground, in turn, gave information to the passenger that one plane had already collided with the World Trade Center.
They knew that at that time, so that information was relayed to the passengers on Flight 93.
And as I understand it, the male passengers on Flight 93 apparently herded to the back of the plane.
They now believe that the flight crew, the stews in the back of the plane, ...were threatened, or perhaps they were killing them one by one to get the flight crew to come out.
Flight crew came out, they grab them, they take the plane.
They think that's how it happened in each case, as a matter of fact.
However, in the case of Flight 93, as this plane streaked toward, in all probability, the White House, the male passengers voted.
Voted.
To rush the hijackers at their own expense.
Now, whether they intentionally crashed that aircraft, and that's what it looks like to me, or whether they are simply in the process of trying to overpower the hijackers to stop this, whether that caused the crash, either way, There were people, men on that plane, who voted to overpower the hijackers who had one man, a two-month-old daughter with him.
Others, probably entire families.
So, I think these people are really heroes.
I think these people deserve the Medal of Honor.
These people decided to forfeit their own lives.
What greater sacrifice does anybody ever make None.
Forfeit their own lives to stop this plane from crashing into its target, whether it was the White House or the Capitol building.
And I think they're really heroes.
I mean, I tried to sit and imagine what it would be like in your last moments as the plane you were in was headed toward Washington, D.C., with knowledge of what it was going to do when they did have that knowledge.
To take a vote, Which most surely, one way or the other, was going to end your own life.
To save the White House.
Now, there's a lot of heroes, you know, in this.
But I really want to call attention to what these people did.
I think it's amazing.
I think it's heartening.
I think... I think a lot of things, but it's heartening.
So I'd like your comments on that.
Fox News reported earlier in the day, and this may be, you know, there's so many rumors going on, but they reported that one man apparently rode the building down from the 82nd floor and lit, ended up in one of those pockets.
I can't imagine that.
Can you?
Actually rode down as the building collapsed.
You saw the collapse on TV, right?
Can you imagine riding it down and then somehow ending up alive?
I don't know.
Gonna be a lot of this.
I do have a photograph on my website, which is very disturbing.
Which got up there about 15 minutes ago.
This photograph is an unaltered, let me repeat, unaltered photograph of one of the moments of the impact, in fact it really is just about the moment of impact because of the fireball you'll see, of this aircraft on one of the Twin Towers.
The explosion of the 767 into the second World Trade Tower actually.
And You be the judge.
This was sent to us by Matt Massey.
You be the judge yourself.
But there is, without question, the face of a devil in this photograph.
Of an evil entity, or the devil, or whatever, and it's very clear.
I don't know about Matt Massey's outline, perhaps showing more than I see in the photograph.
I don't see a full devil as does he, and he's outlined that for you.
But without question, and without a difficulty, I do see in that unaltered photograph an evil face.
You be the judge.
That's on my website right now at artbell.com.
It's the damnedest thing.
We found these in a number of photographs.
You remember the election photograph?
And, uh, what we have right in the middle of the two candidates.
Remember that?
And a number of other photographs.
But there is, uh, there's very little question about this photograph.
We just got it up before air time.
If you go to my website, artbell.com, click, uh, on what's new.
Uh, and then photos from 9-1-1 terrorist attack.
It is the first photograph right now.
There.
And below it, um, what Major Ed Dames As a matter of fact, I guess we didn't get all of that up.
We didn't get the important part of it up.
I'll have to talk to Keith about that.
There was more to this.
I guess if you click and enlarge it, let me see.
I think you're going to have to do that.
It may be, yeah, I think in the entire photograph.
Right now my own website is slowing down as zillions of people go up there following my direction.
So I've just slowed myself down to the point where it's going to take me a minute or so To get this photograph, so patience everybody, there's a lot of traffic up there right now.
At any rate, the drawing that Ed Dames did send me, I faxed on to Keith and he has put up on the website of where he believes this attack originated.
I'd like to say something about the Canadian people.
Because I know I'm speaking to almost all of the Canadian people covering Canada coast to coast as we do the U.S.
and beyond.
The Canadian people have been fantastic throughout all this.
About 17,000, is it, people who are being provided hospitality by Nova Scotia.
And throughout Canada, as a matter of fact, for planes that landed in Canada, still nothing is particularly flying, and so these people are stuck in Canada.
These Americans, for the most part, are stuck in Canada.
And the Canadian people have been wonderful.
Big-time friends.
Now, make no mistake, with the incredible amount of uncovering of evidence today, there's going to be an attack.
We indeed are going to attack someone, somewhere.
Possibly Afghanistan, the Taliban, and if you listen to what the President has been saying, an act of war, his words.
An act of war.
And he was very clear about those who harbor people like Bin Laden and company, and so that would include Afghanistan.
One would imagine at the high side of what we might do, an attack on Afghanistan, now what would that mean?
That would probably mean an attack on their military capability, whatever that would be.
It may well mean an attack on their infrastructure.
You know, power plants, that kind of thing.
We don't attack, intentionally, civilians at all.
So, at the high side, all I can imagine, and of course there could be other countries involved as well, and so we could have, make no mistake about it, a war on our hands.
Most of the newspapers that all these networks review every night talk about acts of war and war, it's war.
Headlines like that.
So it may be war.
And I wonder if you think that prior to attacking anybody, we should obtain, we should declare war.
Now, how long has it been since we have declared war?
World War Two?
So, shouldn't we declare war?
Or is that not important?
Have the days of declaring what you're going to do become moot?
I'm not sure.
What do you think?
I somehow think we probably ought to.
So should a declaration of war be made prior to any Any attack, which obviously is coming.
And I have one more thing I want to talk about with you, and I will, after that, open the lines and do exactly what I've pledged to myself.
I've had, I bet, a hundred offers of, you know, experts to come on the air and guests who would like to come on the air about all of this.
But I am declining them all.
Because I think the right thing for me to do is to let you have a voice.
Simple as that.
I don't hear a lot of that going on.
I hear wall-to-wall coverage, which is great, and I'm watching it myself.
You know, as I'm sure many of you are.
I don't hear a lot of open lines, so... I'm gonna continue to do that.
At any rate, stay where you are.
We'll be right back.
Alright.
The other thing that I wanted to touch on before we open the lines tonight is Fox was doing some interesting coverage earlier in the day and as part of that they had a man who's running around with this new technological invention they call the video phone which is amazing to get that much movement over a pot line whether it's from Afghanistan or here in the US is astounding That's a plain old telephone line, by the way.
So, they sent a man, somehow, one of the Fox reporters got permission to do what nobody else had done, and that was to go virtually to ground zero, and observe what was going on, and oh my God.
You know, he took pictures as he went, and As they properly pointed out, it's not just the World Trade Towers that are gone.
It's like ten blocks in either direction.
With varying amounts of damage from totally destroyed to light damage at the outer end.
But my God, the pictures!
I don't know if any of you have gotten to see them yet.
I imagine many of you have, frankly, but I have never in my life seen anything like it.
Short of a science fiction movie about nuclear war, or I... It's unbelievable.
Absolutely unbelievable.
The devastation and the amount of physical destruction is just simply beyond belief.
I sat there with my mouth open.
Oh my God.
Look at that.
An entire block, street block's gone.
Everything's smashed.
Cars flattened like pancakes.
It's like from the worst, uh, sort of disaster movie with the best, uh, special effects you've ever seen in your life.
In fact, this whole thing is kind of like that.
The pictures of those planes smashing into the, uh, of the towers.
It's like a movie.
It's like a disaster movie.
With, with just really, you know, good studio work.
Except this is real.
And, and it, it just happened.
It's, uh, The damage, it's unbelievable.
In order to produce that much damage, and I'm sure the terrorists calculated very well here, in order to produce that much damage with conventional explosives, well let me rephrase that, I think that you could not do that much damage with conventional explosives.
So make no mistake about this, this required a lot of people, A lot of planning, a lot of money, and a lot of detail work on the part of the terrorists to achieve.
I mean, they really, really, really knew what they were doing.
I think it would take a nuclear-tipped something to produce that much damage.
Otherwise, I've never in my life seen anything like it, except in the movies.
Maybe after Dresden, it looked like that.
I don't know.
But in my lifetime, I have never seen anything in real life that would get anywhere near equaling what I saw in this Fox reporter.
God, my God.
It's gonna be weeks and months before they get things picked up.
So, after the break here at the bottom of the hour, I'm gonna do exactly what I have pledged myself to do, and that's to open the lines to all of you, and you're certainly welcome to discuss any of this or anything else about this incident.
That's about the only thing that anybody out there is thinking about.
I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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In fact, let me hit that a little harder.
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And I'll try and pay special attention to them.
You can go to my website at artbell.com, get the code for your country, and then dial.
That code, followed by 800-893-0903, and if you do that, it will be a toll call, a toll-free call, a toll-free call from anywhere in the world.
And we welcome international calls.
Just to repeat, we've got a photograph on the website that will knock your socks off right now.
In fact, I'll tell you a little history.
I received it, this is definitely unaltered, I received The first copy of this photograph from a man who had plucked it from CNN's website.
It's obviously of the impact point of the second aircraft.
And it is in fact unaltered, but he had put on it a caption, What the F is this?
So I decided we wouldn't post that version.
Then I had some more versions, and finally tonight, this same version, and so I know it's unaltered, Matt Massey sends it, and without question, without having to look at Matt's little drawing of the devil, when you look at this photograph, it leaps right out at you.
You don't need Matt's little illustration for you to see the evil, perhaps, face of the devil, some would say, or an evil entity in this photograph.
It'll leap out at you.
It's now the second photograph down.
When you go to my website, just go to what's new and photos from the 9-1-1 terrorist attack.
And I think it's now the second photograph down.
This one will blow you away.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I absolutely believe in evil.
And that means not just the evil in men's hearts.
There's certainly enough of that to go around, but in a separate evil.
I believe in a separate evil.
So I'm not surprised to see this photograph.
It just says, what do you think at the end of it?
And so it's a good question for you.
What do you think?
It's at artbell.com.
All right, all of that said, we're going to do a quick break and jump into the phone lines as promised.
Stay right there.
All right, here we go into the night with Unscreen Talk Radio.
And Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Yes, hello Art.
This is Max, St.
Thomas, Virgin Islands.
Max, is that correct?
That's correct.
Hi Max.
Great to hear from the Virgin Islands.
How's our affiliate down there doing?
Doing well.
You're big out here.
Real large.
Welcome to the program.
How's all of this going down there?
It's amazing.
I mean, everybody's apathetic here as well.
Filling the newspapers.
We're on heightened security.
Our airports and federal buildings have been on heightened security as well.
So we're probably reacting to it about like everywhere else in the country.
Except that the Virgin Islands, kind of like my situation here, depends a great deal on air freight.
We depend on truck freight, but there on the Virgin Islands, I would think that you all depend extraordinarily on air freight coming in, don't you?
Well, a lot of that, plus a lot of ships coming out of Miami.
I think more ships than air freight for groceries.
Okay, that's right.
You have ships.
We have trucks.
True.
True.
I was at your website and looking at the Ed Dames illustration.
Yes.
It just looks like he's got it down to a pinpoint accuracy.
Well, what you would have to say of this is that the guy's got his neck stuck out.
He's saying, here it is.
Here's what the Control Command and Control Nerve Center will be like, and here's where it is.
That's getting pretty damn specific.
You know, a lot of people say, gee, they never get specific.
That's pretty specific.
Yeah, I would say so.
In fact, I'm wondering if, you know, if it's going to be taken in, when they do the investigation, if anybody's going to take this seriously and really check it out.
I don't know.
I haven't heard any word on that yet.
My guess is that after the attack, in quotes, which is inevitably coming, we'll know something like this.
I sure hope they take it seriously and it'll be a good chance to verify the whole thing anyway.
Do you think the United States should be declaring war before going to war?
Yes.
Yeah, I do.
I think that everybody knows it's coming anyway.
Do you think the President will go to Congress?
Yeah, I believe he will.
I think he's already starting in that direction.
And I think he's got this, you know, almost global support.
And, yeah, it just seems like a classy way to do it, you know, like we used to do it.
And it shows the difference between, you know, the terrorists and us.
I just received word that the U.N.
and workers with the U.N.
are all pulling out of Kabul right now.
That's a good sign.
That's a sign.
It depends on... I don't know if it's good.
Well, I mean, it's good in the fact that they're taking it seriously, if nothing else.
And, you know, they're realizing that we mean business now.
We're not just going to tolerate this.
Yeah, well, they may have had a message from New York.
Get out now.
Yep.
Well, I'd like to see it.
I can't wait to watch it go in.
I'm going to be glued to CNN, and I'm going to love every minute of it.
I appreciate your call, sir.
Thank you.
I don't think that's the word I would have used.
I'm not going to love every minute of it.
Because, you know, there's going to be a lot more people killed, but people get killed in war.
But I'm just not going to love it.
But I'm going to support it.
You know, I mean, there is no question about the fact that this is an act of war against the United States, and it's going to be answered.
But I'm not going to love it.
I suppose some feelings, normal human feelings of justified retribution can't be avoided, right?
So I suppose I'll have them, but I don't know about love.
These are the Rockies.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, sir.
Hi.
I'm sorry.
I'm really nervous.
I've always wanted to talk to you, but I haven't actually gotten to get through.
Where are you?
I am in Red Oak, Texas.
I am south of Dallas.
Okay.
What is your first name?
Britt.
Britt.
Okay.
Welcome, Britt.
Oh, it's good to talk to you.
I'm actually in the circling pattern for Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport.
Right.
I get a ton of air traffic over me every day for it and several municipal airports around this area, too.
And about midnight last night, I'd been watching all this coverage on the television all day long.
Uh, and was just astounded.
I'm, I'm a young, fairly young, uh, 23.
Right.
Uh, have no clue what it was like, uh, back in the 60s living under the threat of nuclear war or anything like that.
And this is, I mean, uh, the kind of mentality that, that had taken over everybody, especially in the early part of the events that happened yesterday.
Tell you something Britt, uh, in a way, Back when we did live under that threat, and you know, I got, when I was a kid, I was under my desk, duck and cover, you know, here it comes.
So I went through that, and in a way, certainly, you know, RetroVision is 2020, but we were safer then than we are now.
In a way.
Yeah, and like I said, I really didn't have any frame of reference with which to take in this, you know, that was happening yesterday and compare it to anything at all.
Last night at about midnight I walked outside and I'm in a fairly rural area so it was fairly dark outside.
I went out my back door and looked up and there wasn't a single flashing light in the sky.
I know.
That's when it finally hit and became real to me.
I said, something happened today that has absolutely changed this planet.
I look up in the sky there are no airplanes because this happened today that I watched all day long on television and now I look up and it became real at that point when I looked up there wasn't a single plane in the sky.
It's a damnedest thing isn't it?
I went into my backyard, my back desert, with my wife earlier today and we both just stood there and we looked at the sky and we said man this is really eerie isn't it?
Yeah, and part of you wants to go, hey, for once I get to look up at the stars and not have to disregard the, you know, the flashing lights.
But for once, I wanted to see them have that feeling that things were getting back to normal, but they weren't there last night.
And as, you know, it was midnight and a new day was starting.
You know, I was thinking to myself, as this new day starts, you know, none of the days after this are going to be the same.
I mean, I'm not saying this is some, you know, cataclysmic event, but things will be different.
The end of the world or anything like that.
It's not the end of the world, probably.
Probably isn't the end of the world.
All right, listen, thank you very much for the call.
While we're on that subject, this isn't the end of the world, right?
There is, we believe, an inaccurate rendition of the Nostradamus prediction on World War III ripping across the internet out there right now, and I'm going to read it to you.
And I believe that it is, while it's close to being accurate, it certainly is not accurate.
So I think you can regard this, I BELIEVE you can regard this, as a hoax.
It says, Nostradamus said the following.
In the year of the new century, in nine months, from the sky will come a great king of terror.
The sky will burn at 45 degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city.
In the city of York, there will be a great collapse.
Two twin brothers torn apart by chaos.
While the fortress falls, the great leader will succumb.
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.
Nostradamus.
Well, we think that that is not an accurate quote.
I think that there is a great deal of it that's accurate.
I think the city, or the part about York is not.
But a new city would be sufficient anyway.
The person who sent this notes, He said this will be bigger than the previous two.
2001 is the first year of the new century, and this is the ninth month.
New York is located at the 41st degree latitude.
So we might discuss this a little bit.
I don't have the specific words of Nostradamus, but I don't think those were exactly them.
They're close.
What's to the Rockies?
You're on the air.
Hello.
I really appreciate you doing this.
I think the country needs this.
We've all suffered a great psychic shock and we all want justice, but I think we all need to be thinking carefully about our steps we're going to be taking, like you said.
I did the whole program all day long yesterday.
I was in shock, and I did the program in shock, and I'm not sure I'm out of it yet.
I'm a little bit better today than I was yesterday, but I was really in shock.
You weren't alone.
I heard every commentator on the TV, and they all said the same thing.
They said they felt shocked, so you certainly weren't the only one.
Well, shocked and in shock are kind of different things.
I was sort of in a different state yesterday in that it almost And a lot of it today, too, as I look near Ground Zero, it almost, you've got to suspend belief.
You look at it, it's like a movie.
Yeah, I wanted to comment what you said about the building quickly, because I heard one of the, the fellow, in fact, the famous demolition group that brought down the Kingdom up here, and they're now worldwide, he said he looked at that, and it's his opinion that it was the fireball that brought it down.
But the other thing, I thought it was interesting that he said, and it goes along with what you said, there's a huge amount of damage around there, they're expecting two more buildings to collapse.
He said the highest building that his group had ever brought down was a 49-story skyscraper.
And no one in the world, he thought, even knew before this happened what the effect of bringing such a huge building down would be.
Yeah, well I don't think they ever bring down buildings quite like that.
Even though it fell as one of our casinos might fall in Las Vegas almost straight down, which was amazing, cascading on itself.
In fact, it was a miracle.
The people that helped design that are from around Seattle here.
In fact, I heard them talking.
They said only because of the outside building being designed a certain way did it pancake.
Otherwise, it would have fell over sideways.
So, we're extremely lucky because that would have killed a large number of people beyond what it did.
Apparently, once the temperature got to 800 degrees or so, the metal melted and the rest then became inevitable.
And I wonder if the people inside the building, in all of that time, Because there was some indication some people were told that everything was all right in the building.
You know on PA systems or fire systems or whatever they had.
They were telling people it was it would be all right and they might not have known it's not going to be all right.
Yeah I think there's a huge amount of chaos.
I don't really think people knew what was going on outside.
Let me bring up two more quick things and maybe hopefully the rest of the program some other people might want to discuss this and then I'll get off here.
Since I work here in the town of Bowling, I talked to a friend of mine.
I've only had one other person on the show bring this up who was a pilot.
He said this could all have been prevented if the flight crews had not been taken over.
Now, what I'm wondering is why no one is talking about why we are not doing this is reinforcing the ball kids.
And what we think we should be doing is what he said, is we should be putting a bulkhead on there with like stainless steel and Kevlar.
Yeah, I always thought the cockpit doors were awfully flimsy, you know, on any plane I've been on.
Yeah, there's simply no way that a passenger, there should not even be a handle on the outside that a passenger could even get in there.
All that said though, sir, let me ask you about what you think about the people, uh, the men of Flight 93.
Oh, I agree with you.
I believe that they were heroes.
I don't know for sure, but I believe that they were.
In fact, a friend of mine even brought up an interesting thing we discussed today.
The other flight that hit the Pentagon, they know now from tracking it, it was headed for the White House, and they think it was going to go to the White House, and the Pentagon was its backup.
That's right.
And he said, if you think about this, the people on there probably didn't know that most of those planes were going to be crashed, because they just knew they were taken over.
And the people heading for the White House, they were low enough.
They might have figured out that they were going to crash into the White House, and maybe there was a struggle because that plane slowed down and turned sideways.
Well, they knew that one plane had already slammed into one of the towers.
We know they knew that, and we know they took a vote.
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine?
I mean, you would know, almost for sure, what would happen if you, without pilots, you know, just as a bunch of passengers who took a vote, went up and rushed the cockpit.
You know how that's going to turn out.
I'm just saying, he was just saying that they would have psyche-shocked the nation if they had crashed it straight into the White House.
Oh, I know.
One other thing, Art, that maybe people want to comment on, I'll get off here.
We were talking about Bin Laden.
Bin Laden is being given sanctuary in Afghanistan right now because no one is selling as many drugs and he's paying most of the cost to the Taliban.
He also has camps in Pakistan and vis-a-vis what you talked about last night with Ed Dames.
Right.
I think we should all be thinking seriously now.
I think the Congress finally is about terrorism and people coming into our ports and bringing in biologicals and weapons rather than missile shields.
Vis-a-vis the Pakistani dictators, they have nuclear weapons.
You know, the problem that we have, and I don't know what we're going to do about this, you may have comments on it, obviously we're going to have to begin relinquishing some freedoms in order to have more security.
Period.
That's a fact.
Right.
Some.
But like I said, I'm worried about, you know, we could provoke an entire war over there if we get into Pakistan and maybe You know, who knows what will happen in Afghanistan, and who knows what will happen, because he has camps in Pakistan, too.
Maybe the Pakistani dictator will hire Bin Laden's men, who he's trained 10,000 of, to sneak a nuclear weapon into one of our ports.
I know.
Listen, I appreciate your call.
I know what you're saying, but last night I said to you, and I say again tonight, we have been shocked.
We have been saddened.
But we sure as hell have not been defeated.
They're gonna find out how undefeated we are, as a nation.
Sure, it knocked us down, but not out, not by a long shot.
However, if, as a result of what happened in New York, we have to virtually remove so many freedoms in our quest for safety, That we become something other than what we are.
You know, a constitutional republic.
If so many freedoms are removed that the Constitutional Bill of Rights doesn't mean what it once did, then in a way, they win.
So it's a real dilemma.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes sir, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, how are you?
I'm okay sir, where are you?
I'm in Martinez, California.
And your first name?
My first name is Phil.
Phil, okay.
You know, I'm not going to go for the removing of freedoms.
I'm going to go for excessive force against the perpetrators of the crime.
I believe that you're right, that there is evil, and I believe that Allah is evil.
And I think that we know who all the terrorists are around the world. We know what
the organizations are. Hezbollah, Fatah, Bin Laden's one. We know who's harboring them. We
know where their money goes and who has it. And I think the thing to do is to draw up a list of
the leaders of these organizations and their lieutenants and their most active people.
I mean, I want to stop you.
I don't think Allah is evil.
I think some who follow Allah and do things in Allah's name are evil.
Well, they all profess a hatred of Christians and Jews.
No, no, they don't.
And a need to convert the infidel.
No, they don't all do that.
It seems that way to me.
Well, that's because we're watching the press.
You and I are watching the American press, which concentrates on that because it sells.
But not all.
That's a radical fringe.
And listen, we've got radical fringe right here in good old U.S.A.
No question about it.
And I don't want us to come to that radical fringe and lose my constitutional freedom.
And I think what we can do is we can draw up a list of every known terrorist and we can tender it to the Muslim countries and give them 72 hours or 10 days to deliver every one of those people to us where we can take out Mecca for a thousand years.
And I think that is the way to go.
And I think that we take that 72 hours or 10 days and saturate the world media with the idea that these people are doing it to themselves.
If they lose Mecca, It's because they are causing the problem, and we're not going to let it go on.
I appreciate that, but I think, again, military targets and infrastructure in Afghanistan, if it turns out that he's the guy and they're harboring him, that's the way I think it'll go down.
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In a moment, I've got to A couple of very important things for you.
Just breaking Associated Press, they're now saying that they believe as many as 50, I repeat, 50 people were involved in this plot to do what was done in New York.
Now, you think about that a little bit.
50 people involved.
How could they possibly have kept anything quiet with 50 people involved?
and yet that's what they're saying.
Here we go.
Very briefly, going to the mountains of New Mexico and Richard C. Hoagland, who wants to say a word or two and has an announcement.
Richard?
Hi, Art.
It's been one hell of a last couple of days.
Yes, it has.
I know you haven't been and I haven't been sleeping well either.
I keep falling asleep and then having weird dreams and I think the whole country is in a kind of paralysis.
This is a turning point for something.
And I just want to express my heartfelt feelings for the victims and their families and for these... I mean, I really admire what you did for the guys on Flight 93, because I think they really were heroes.
I think this is the one little ray that comes out of this.
Under times of extraordinary duress, we find what we're really made of.
That's a pretty big ray, in my mind.
It's incredible what they did.
Having their families on board, Knowing what was going to happen, they decided, obviously, to end their lives.
I mean, that's as big a sacrifice as it gets.
And I also think that maybe the passengers on Flight 77 also should be thought of in a similar vein, because according to Fleischer this afternoon, they had credible intelligence that that flight, the one that hit the Pentagon, was headed for the White House.
And for some reason, it didn't.
It was diverted.
Right.
And this is important, Art.
It hit the wrong side of the Pentagon.
And if you had the amount of planning, you just said AP's reporting 50 people involved.
That's right.
We know some of them were training as pilots 15 months ago now.
Right.
In Florida, I believe.
An incredible degree of sophistication, organization, planning, money.
I mean, this was extraordinarily well Carried out.
So why would you hit the wrong side of the Pentagon?
I don't know.
Why would you change targets?
I don't know the answer to any of that.
Exactly.
So those two things tell me.
When I say the wrong side, I mean on the other side from the Navy side, which is where the aircraft hit, was the Secretary of Defense office, Donald Rumsfeld, and the Joint Chiefs.
If you're going to do this, obviously you'd be aiming to take out the top.
So, those two things indicate to me that there was some last-minute problem.
Intervention, maybe.
On that, exactly, on that aircraft.
Maybe, but that's a maybe.
That would be a no, we absolutely know, because we only took a vote.
That's right.
Alright, Richard, I believe you have an announcement.
Yeah, I just wanted to say that because of the gravity of the situation, and because of the inappropriateness, I think, of doing anything, but, you know, going through this as a community, as an American family, I've decided not to appear at the Bay Area UFO Expo in San Francisco this coming weekend.
We put a notice on our website with appropriate condolences to the victims and their families.
I've talked to some of the other speakers, and there is a definite sentiment that we should postpone this, and I would hope that people would think of it in that light.
But at the very least, on your own personal part, you will not be there.
Exactly.
I understand completely.
Richard, we'll be in touch.
Thank you.
Thanks, Eric.
Good night.
Richard Sealden, who will not be at that Bay Area conference.
And it's going to be hard for anything to happen.
I mean, everything is being canceled.
We seem to be of two minds about this.
On the one hand, you may have noticed, everybody's urging everybody to try and get back to normal, whatever that is.
I don't think it'll be quite normal again.
You know, we turned some kind of corner with this, obviously.
And on the other hand, we continue to cancel things, keep aircraft out of the air, and so forth and so on.
So it's kind of a mixed message right now.
I'm not sure how you can have normal.
I understand the urge to try and return to it.
Or something approximating it, but, uh... God, you gotta see this photograph.
I'm telling you.
That Matt Massey, uh, sent us... Actually, a number of people sent it to us, but Matt Massey's the one that, uh, grabbed us as the one we had to put up.
There's an evil face in this.
It jumps right out at you.
You don't need Mr. Massey's little diagram on the right of what appears to be the devil to clearly, CLEARLY see What appears to be an evil entity in the middle of this impact picture on the building.
You can see it by going to my website, artbell.com.
Under what's new, the 9-1-1 pictures, I think it's the second photograph down now.
It'll hit you right in the face.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, my name's Damien from Atlanta.
Yes, sir.
And I had a couple quick comments.
First, the comment about The bulkhead's not being strong enough on airplanes.
Right.
Well, they had to realize that, you know, from what we've been told so far, that they were trying to kill the stewardesses.
Yes, that's correct.
And trying to get the people out.
That was what they did to bring the crew out, yes.
And the other thing was, most people don't realize that, you know, from what we've seen in past terrorist attacks, that When they take over and hijack airplanes, they don't usually crash into buildings.
So when the pilots, you know, perceived this threat, they weren't thinking that they were all going to die, you know?
Yeah, you're absolutely correct.
Of course not.
They were thinking they were going to get hijacked and end up at another airport somewhere, or a series of airports, and that would end the way most hijackings end.
So I'm with you.
I understand that.
Look, if you've got somebody who's willing to die to accomplish their ends, They're very hard to stop.
And I'm not sure the ban on knives and all the rest of it could prevent something like this from occurring again.
Maybe a series of things they could do might help.
Yeah, I think maybe better training for the pilots and maybe having them stay in their cabinet at all possible costs.
You've got to admit, sir, what those people on Flight 93 did that we do know about is astounding.
Oh, absolutely.
They should definitely be awarded the highest Medal of Honor.
Medal of Honor, I think.
Yeah.
I appreciate your call.
And I had one more comment.
Sure.
I was on the internet last night, and I know you're talking about Mr. Damas.
And I had studied a little bit of his work before.
I don't think that's an accurate... No, no, no.
I have right here what if it was said, and I agree with you, it's not accurate.
What was on the internet, it says, in the city of God, there will be great thunder, two brothers torn apart by chaos, while the fortress endures the great Yeah, but some of it is accurate.
Third big war will begin when the big city is burning.
And then it also says on the 11th day of the ninth month, two metal birds will crash into
two tall statues in the new city and the world will end soon after.
And that really doesn't, that's not consistent with his writings.
He usually doesn't have specific dates.
He left it very open.
Yeah, but some of it is accurate.
It's sort of a seed of accuracy in there, I think, about the two brothers.
I think there was something that Nostradamus...
What was really consistent, I visited several sites last night, was saying the new city
New City is correct, and I think Two Twin Brothers was also in there.
I'm not sure about that, but I think so.
All right, sir.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Take care.
Wildcard Line, you are on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
This is Greg in San Diego.
Yes, Greg.
You know, I was watching the coverage today, and when they mentioned that Air Force One was one of the targets, Some of the commentators began to speculate that, well, one of these rogue airplanes was going to target Air Force One.
No, they pinned them down on that.
They said, look, those airplanes and their whereabouts were well accounted for.
We knew where they were going, or at least they knew at that point where they were going, so they could not have gotten to Air Force One, so it had to be another And they acknowledged, yes, there was some other threat, which they refused to talk about.
Well, I think, we'll see.
Well, that's good, because I think what it was, was they probably had some terrorists on the ground close to where they suspected Air Force One would come in with one of these handheld ground-to-air rockets.
Wouldn't surprise me.
I mean, the CIA, the 60 Minutes did a big story way back when that the CIA was supplying those things to the Afghani freedom fighters.
When they were taking on the Soviets, I mean, you've got to imagine there was a few of those things left around after it was all over.
Stinger missiles?
Yeah, I guess that's right.
They were left with many of them, and you could be absolutely right.
It could have been that kind of threat, sure.
And they got heads up on that, and then they just decided to turn that plane to get it out of the possible target range of a Stinger?
Makes sense to me.
You know, something else I wanted to mention, too, talking about what you mentioned before about our loss of freedoms, I saw Tom Daschle do a real short interview on one of the channels today, and he mentioned right off the bat that, hey people, you are going to lose your freedoms, and right away I thought, boy, there goes the Bill of Rights, right out the window.
I mean, we're going to be living like the Soviets did in the 80s.
That's, you know, at one end of the radical possibilities of how all this could turn out, that there would be that.
I hope it doesn't go that far, because that means that they really won.
Well, right.
I mean, I hope it doesn't either, but it just seems like that's, you know, what's being prepared.
I mean, everybody's saying this is an attack on freedom and liberty and everything we stand for.
Well, if it turns us into something other than what we stood for and have been, then they really have won.
Well, for the people who heard his wording, it just sounded, it just sent a chill down my spine.
I thought, oh, here it comes.
I hope it doesn't happen, but you know, I'm with you, sir.
Thank you.
I hope that we can, in some way, increase security.
Everybody's going to understand that.
And right now, I understand that as much air rage as there has been around the country, almost everybody is in full, complete understanding of why they're not going anywhere right now.
Why nobody's going anywhere right now.
Why air shipments are stalled, stopped.
And why passengers are either stranded or unable to move as they would have otherwise.
Everybody understands.
But it is eerie.
Oh, God, it's eerie.
You know, out here in the desert, we're right in McCarran's flight path to San Francisco.
And so on any given day here, the sky is full of contrails and airplanes.
It's dead.
I'm sure many, if not most of you, have experienced the same thing.
It's really eerie.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Eric.
This is Josh.
I'm in Omaha.
I'm a 22-year-old college student here.
Yes, Josh.
And I wanted to address the backlash right now in this country against Arab Americans.
I, myself, I'm half Lebanese, you know.
Yes, sir.
My family, like my dad, is full Lebanese.
I have relatives that are.
And, uh, what made me call is I just was in a gas station on the way home, picking up, uh, you know, a snack, and I overheard two guys at the counter, and I caught into their conversation, and I heard, you know, that, uh, they were saying that we should kill them all and everything, and they were referring to Arabs, and, uh, you know, Arab-Americans, even, uh, people within our country.
And, you know, it's... The word, uh, terrorist has become, you know, synonymous with Arab, you know, in this country right now.
They just want people to realize that Terrorists, you know, McVeigh was a terrorist, Stalin, Hitler, you know, could be construed as terrorists, you know, David Koresh, you know, they didn't have any Middle Eastern dissent or anything like that, and, you know, it's just, it's sad that, you know, this is like a time when we need to come together most of all, and, you know, this is ripping us, you know, apart internally.
These are base instincts, and I agree with you completely, it's It's horrible.
I wonder how we change it, how we try for once not to go there.
Or is that just impossible because there are such basic human instincts?
What do you think?
Well, yeah, I mean, people do want somebody's head on a platter right now.
They're not going to rest until somebody's crucified.
You know, anger and stuff, it does get in the way.
Yeah, but haven't we come a long way in America from wanting a head on the platter to wanting any head on the platter?
Yeah, exactly.
And that's where it crosses the line, is when it becomes internal violence within our country, you know?
And people getting, you know, I've seen all day on the news today, death threats to different Arab organizations, you know?
Even Arab organizations who hang their own, you know, American flags outside their places to show their support, you know?
And it's just, it's crazy.
I want, one thing I just want You know, I really think, and I want everybody listening to know, is if you are, you know, feel like that violently towards internal, you know, people inside our own country that are Arab-Americans, then, you know, you're no different than the people who did this attack on America.
You know, I don't think anyway.
That might be just my opinion, but, you know... Well, it's my opinion, too.
I very much appreciate your call, and I agree with you.
Thank you.
That's right.
Then we don't differentiate.
We don't delineate, do we, between those who did it and those of the same skin color or religious persuasion or whatever.
And if we don't do that, then we're not much different, are we?
And we are different.
We don't kill innocent civilians.
We don't try and go out and kill innocent civilians.
And even when we do retaliate, even if it is massive, I would expect, as I said earlier, for example, with respect to what we might do To the Taliban and Afghanistan, we would go after their military capability, which would be significant.
We would go after their infrastructure, which could include some pseudo-civilian type things like power stations, infrastructure things, bridges, that sort of thing.
There will be collateral damage, but the difference, albeit in the minds of some a small one, we don't try to kill civilians.
We try to accomplish a goal.
So we should be different.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
That button is sticky.
West of the Rockies, now you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, this is Quentin in San Diego.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, I guess I could continue where the last file left off.
I think that this is a test of the hatred within everybody to test our own seniority over our emotions.
That's right.
I mean, the people who perpetrated this atrocity That's how much they hate themselves already, and they're just wanting somebody else to take the blame for it.
I like your term, the quickening, because I think this is all part of the quickening.
As the vibration on the planet increases, we're going to see where there's hatred in the world and where there's love in the world.
How we react to this is going to define who we are.
Exactly, and I think that the biggest defense we have is to choose love at every turn, because, you know, if we match that hatred, then we're just contributing more of that to the world.
Well, yes, but I don't confuse that with no response.
I am fully prepared to respond, and if this fellow did it, if there were 50 involved here in the U.S.
and more, In Afghanistan, if it turns out that's the way it is, then I have no problem going in and destroying all their military capability and most of the infrastructure of that country.
Goodbye.
I have no problem with that.
Do you?
I think that it's absolutely essential to put these kind of forces back in their place.
They can't be invading.
If people want to live in hatred, they've got to stew in it in their own Misery.
No, you're right.
But if, on the other hand, we take it out on Arab-Americans, then we're not much different.
No, we're not.
And I'm really surprised how many people there are who confuse this fanaticism with the Islam religion or the Arab races.
I know.
As I said, it's a base instinct of humanity.
That's why they had lynch mobs.
That's why people who would never have normally joined a lynch mob would suddenly get in.
Yeah, string them up!
It's a base part of the human brain, you know, that early man brain.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
Alright, I'm now getting word that instead of nine survivors, as originally reported,
there are only five survivors.
And apparently, airing on CNN, I guess, my wife just handed this to me, that they said there are only five survivors.
I wonder how they could get that wrong, that they have nine as the figure for what?
The last 15 hours or so, so now we learn it may be just five instead of nine.
That's remarkable.
Well, here's also a remarkable call for you.
This is Steve on Canal Street in New York.
Virtually, I understand, at ground zero.
Is that true, Steve?
Yeah, well, I mean, I'm at the last checkpoint, and I just came in from outside, and we can walk all the way down to Chambers Street, right where the soot and the...
You know, I mean, today I had to go uptown, and it's starting to get normal up there, but I'm carrying my passport and my, you know, to get past checkpoints and everything.
It's not America here at the moment, you know?
Is it really?
That's yours?
They're checking passports?
Oh, well, yeah, they're checking ID.
If you can't get into the neighborhood unless you're a... You can't get below 14th Street unless you're in the neighborhood, and the checkpoints get more and more severe as you go downtown.
And you've got to have more and more of a reason to be there, so you are at the last checkpoint.
Yeah, I've got a decent piece of real estate here in Tribeca, and I live and work in the same place like a lot of the artists that have been down here, and they kind of blew up our neighborhood.
I saw the second one fall.
I stood there and watched with all my neighbors, you know?
Steve, I saw Fox go in virtually to Ground Zero earlier today, and it appears not to be just the Twin Towers, but damn near 10 blocks on each side.
No, not 10 blocks.
It's, you know, they fell straight down, so you've got, they haven't even, like, all the windows blew out on the other side of the West Side Highway, but those buildings should survive.
And it's just cutting over to Broadway and Liberty Street right now, and of course those things are going to come down.
I mean, the news you must be getting elsewhere, but there's just so many, like, it's just, I mean, we just came in from outside.
I have not gone south.
from my house until tonight and we took a walk down there and we hung out in a the the old school bar was open and it was a weird mix of people I mean you had firefighters you had off people getting off duty Con Ed you had the locals all in there and it it was just that was I it was like going into a church you know yeah and uh You know, only one's alien here right now in the National Guard, but I think they're doing all the work, so, you know.
You said it smelled like a crematorium.
Yeah, right now I'm sitting out, I'm walking out into my street, because I've got a ground floor, a big, I've got a whole ground floor here, and my street is one block south of Canal, so all the police have turned into their parking lot, you know, and this is where, like, they coordinate and they sleep in their vans before they go back down.
And it's weird, you walk around, it's just zombies, and it's like, I don't want to go above Canal Street, because it's normal up there.
And everywhere else in America, it's sort of normal.
And I mean, my business shut down.
I'm just sitting here.
I mean, all my neighbors came out.
We played baseball a little bit, but we're New Yorkers, so then we said goodbye.
Everybody's just a zombie, and it's weird, because everyone in the neighborhood, the neighborhood's filled with people, but they're all strangers to the neighborhood.
So I walk out with my dog and even though I'm below this line, it's like I'm familiar
with the place.
Some of the interesting things I saw was this one guy talked to me as, we saw the second
building fall down and it was like a wave of people coming from downtown, uptown, half
covered in soot and stuff.
And then they all sort of left and it got quiet and then it was like a wave pulling
back and all these people with cameras and onlookers and like almost vermin came flying
back into the neighborhood.
You know?
I know.
Everybody's pushed out above Canal Street.
I can just walk around.
I can walk anywhere I want.
I understand.
Steve, to me it looked like, you know, all the movement of the people you were talking about.
I saw those photographs and I thought it looked like a scene out of Armageddon.
You have no idea.
Since a few hours after it happened, they cut off cable and everything down here.
I've got AM radio on my computer.
But, we, I haven't seen any visuals since I saw it live, and then a couple of hours of tape afterwards.
So, I haven't, I've been cut off any visuals, so it's only when I'm remembering, and AM radio.
Well, the rest of New York actually may return to, in quotes, normal a little quicker than the rest of the country.
I know, any second, they're all about, I'm already getting calls from uptown wanting me to work.
You know?
And I'm like, I had to turn down a, I'm a photographer, I had to turn down a cover shoot, I couldn't get a Dunkin' Donuts cup, because they blew up my Dunkin' Donuts.
And that was one of the things I had to photograph in the shot.
I had to pass it off.
And I can't work anyway, because I'm like living it.
It's like Beirut out here.
It's dusty.
That's exactly what it looks like.
A piece of skin fell on me today.
A piece of skin?
Mm-hmm.
Floated down.
I looked at it.
Dust fell on my nose.
I picked it up, and it had little hash marks.
Oh, my God.
In it.
And as the wind changes you, it gets stinky, and then you air out the house.
You know, the best thing that somebody said to me was one of the guys running up, sort of in shock.
He had seen a whole bunch of people fall out the building.
It was right across the street at the Three Financial Center, whatever it was, a messenger guy.
And on his way up, he saw this very well-dressed businessman, and he was just shocked.
He was like, how are you?
And he was a friend of his.
They talked to each other all the time.
And he said, you know, what's going on?
He said, and the guy just looked up and said, my brother's on the 101st floor.
And then the thing fell down.
This guy came, this messenger dude, he found an old lady that was like really just trying to get out of there.
Pushed people out of the way, got her out, and they ended up talking with me and my neighbors on the corner for quite a while.
And he said, you know, I just got this job and I love coming to work every day.
Every day I'd come in and I'd look up and it'd be like two gold bricks shining in the sun.
You know, talking, you know, they got a little crack-heading and I let go of them.
But it's... A lot of the networks, Steve, are doing these long-range panoramic shots of the New York skyline.
It's like a face with a couple of teeth missing.
It's the damnedest thing to even look at.
The bar I was just at has been there for a long time and there's old photos all over the place without the Twin Towers in it.
Huh.
And it was kind of interesting, you know?
Then we had a scare earlier that, you know, something was going on at Empire State Building.
It just sort of dawned on me, if that went away, I mean, we'd look like the rest.
You know, we wouldn't look like who we are here.
No, you wouldn't look like New York anymore, that's for sure.
And the thing about it, too, it's like New York is such an international place.
It's... I don't know.
I mean, regardless of politics and lots of different things, obviously we are a target, and those two big trophies We're a target, but it just seems like New York would be the one place the rest of the world wouldn't have a problem with.
There is no racism, honestly, here.
Too much of a melting pot for that, so there really isn't.
And it just seems like what a weird target to be, you know.
Yeah, obviously we are the target, you know.
You, New York and Washington, D.C.
New York has the financial capital and Washington, D.C.
has the political capital, obviously.
Simple as that.
Steve, thank you.
Thank you.
Take care.
Steve, just about a ground zero in New York.
Of course, I mean, what they hit and why they hit it are obvious.
The financial capital and the political capital.
Duh.
What's missing, though, is... Why?
What national policy of the United States do they want changed?
What demands are they making?
Isn't it odd that there would be such a large, complicated terrorist action and there would not be some sort of verifiable claim?
And then, of course, the usual diatribe of what they want changed.
Otherwise, all we can suppose is that the motive, and the only motive for doing this, was to scare the hell out of us.
And so, you might infer from that, that the further motive would be to turn this into a sort of a police state.
To, through fear, achieve what could be achieved no other way.
And that is, have us turn our back on our own freedoms.
Something to think about.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hello.
Hi Art, this is Jeff in Yuba City.
Hello Jeff.
I have a large Arab American population in our area and I have a teenage boy and I don't want him to have misdirected anger and such, but the media shows Palestinians dancing in the streets over this psychotic, horrendous act.
You know, where they've killed innocent women and children.
Yes.
And I don't know how to explain to him that he shouldn't hate these people the way they hate us.
They're showing women and children partying over the death of our loved ones.
And if anyone has any suggestions on how this is supposed to be justified in the eyes of my child, I would love to hear.
Well, you know, I think what you might have to do is sit down and talk to your child about hatred.
about human instincts and about hatred and I don't know how else you do it because you're right the images are going to absolutely provoke that in a primitive part of our brain there's going to be a reactionary lynch mob mentality instantly and I don't know how you I don't know how you you just have to sit down to the and talk to them about hate and morality and I don't know I'm having trouble dealing with these feelings myself.
I went to get gas in the morning and a guy pulls up in a turbine and I actually started walking towards his car and I realized it was the old guy from the quickie mart and I got a grip on myself but it really sickens me.
And I think if I was an Arab American at this point I would dress up like a Mexican or stay in hiding or something because I'm a very peaceful, passive, rock and roll guitar player guy, non-violent.
I hear you.
And I am having these feelings.
I hear you and I take your call really to heart.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Take care.
I do really take that call to heart and you should too.
It may well be that for the great masses there is no, we are not yet to the point where we can successfully deal with our own primitive feelings.
Oh, I don't know.
That's pretty scary to hear him talk about that.
That's pretty scary in a way, isn't it?
And yet it's also at a base level, very understandable, but scary.
First time caller line, you're on the air, hello.
Hello Art, this is Terry in Mobile, Alabama.
Hi Terry.
I have the correct quatrain for you, the one that all the Nostradamus experts said after the 93 explosion applied.
Alright, well you heard me read what's flying around on the internet, right?
They made that up.
Yeah, I'm sure they did.
Thomas Quatrain, I have a number of books.
Okay, read it to us.
Sir, Century 10, Quatrain 49.
Hello?
Yes, go ahead.
I'm listening.
Okay.
Century 10, quatrain 49.
Garden of the world near the new city.
In the path of the hollow mountain.
It will be seized and plunged into the vat.
Drinking by force, the waters poisoned by sulfur.
After the 93 bombing, this is the one that all the experts put into their books.
It's the one that refers to the Twin Towers.
I didn't hear a reference to the Twin Towers.
In what you just read.
Okay.
The New City, New York, Garden of the World, Garden State, New Jersey.
Got that.
Okay.
Hollow Mountains is how Nostradamus describes things he can't understand.
Skyscrapers.
Well, that's a... Nostradamus... That's a leap.
Right.
And I think the one on the internet is just totally invented.
I think they're all a leap.
The man wrote everything so ambiguous you could apply it to almost anything.
Well, he was trying not to get killed.
Yeah.
Art, I used to work on the flight line in an international airport, and it's extremely difficult to get any kind of a weapon onto an airplane.
The tools that I used in doing my job... Sir, you know, guys who are in jail make a little thing called a shank.
Right.
And where there could be no weapons, there are weapons.
And they kill people with shanks.
They stab them with these sharpened objects in jail.
Well, I'm not a criminal.
I know how to take a gun onto an airplane because of the training I got before I worked on the flight line.
And because of that, I'm sure that anyone doing their job will prevent such a thing from happening.
Well, I don't know that such a thing can be prevented.
That's what I was just trying to say.
If somebody is willing to give their life for a cause, If they're willing to die for a cause, then they stand a better than even chance of getting away with it.
That's how this happened, I think.
These people were more than willing and prepared to die to achieve their goals.
And in three of the aircraft, they did.
In one of the aircraft, they did.
So what is that?
A 75, uh, a 25, uh, a chance of success if you're willing to give up your life?
They can prevent knives, they won't give out steak knives anymore, not even to the first class passengers.
Well, I suppose where there's a will, there's a way.
And so ultimately, how we deal with this, I just don't have the slightest idea, and I'm sure the people in authority are grappling with that exact problem.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Good morning, Art.
How you doing?
I'm alright, sir.
How are you?
Geez, you know what?
The last few days, I feel like I'm in a dream.
None of this seems real, and I can't believe this is happening.
It's just unreal.
I know.
I feel the same way.
I go through long periods of sort of disbelief, and I'm sure sort of a continued state of shock about this.
Yeah.
I walked the street.
You could hear a pin drop on the ground.
Everybody's quiet.
No one's talking.
Where are you?
I'm in North Hollywood, California.
North Hollywood, alright.
Yeah.
So even there, it's that quiet.
Yeah, it's quiet.
People are walking around, just looking at each other.
And I see other people, you know, some people that look Middle Eastern.
It's ironic.
I see people staring at him really hard, like with hatred.
I'm like, God, what's happening to us?
Well, Steve was wrong about one thing.
Steve from New York, who was on here a little while ago, almost to ground zero.
He was wrong about one thing.
The rest of the country has not yet, by a long shot, despite calls for a return to normal, we're not back to normal.
No, no, no.
Not the slightest.
What's really scary about this, I'm not really scared about what happened in New York.
I'm scared.
Our country, this is a gem of a country.
We're so clean and our country has never been touched.
It's been seriously scarred and it's been knifed, basically, in a horrible way and this has never happened before.
The only thing that comes close to it is When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, right?
So everybody has said, but it's my view that this is a far more cowardly act than was Pearl Harbor.
I think you're going to find more people were killed in this attack than Pearl Harbor, but in this attack, the difference is that they went after civilians, innocent civilians, women, children, business people.
It was a civilian target, at least at Pearl Harbor.
Though it was a dastardly sneak attack, the Japanese were trying to disable our military capability to project power into the Pacific for obvious reasons with the war beginning, right?
In New York, there was no such effort.
This is pure terror.
Right.
Well, it's not 100% pure terror because they hit our thinking tank, the Pentagon.
That's where all the people, the men and women, think and design ways of Counter-attack.
You know, the countries in case they do attack.
If they attack the Pentagon, that spells out war.
The President of the United States is just... The media is now being issued to change the words on the screen from where it says, terror in America, to America under attack.
Tomorrow and the next few days, that's going to be on all the screens.
It's going to be America under attack.
The terror word is going to be removed from it.
It's going to switch to America under attack.
Under attack, so that psychologically we begin thinking about this in a new way?
That's correct.
And right now, I've talked to a few friends in the media, and they think absolutely positively for sure.
You remember what we did to Japan?
Yes.
This country isn't going to take anything like this.
We always, when someone harms us or threatens us... Sir, can you hold on?
Yes, I can.
Alright, we've got a break coming up that I can't avoid.
Stay right there.
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Alright, listen, in a moment, the world's expert on Nostradamus with us, uh, for a quick moment, to straighten us out on what's going out, uh, all over the internet.
This wild thing that Nostradamus supposedly said that is only partially correct, A nugget of truth in it.
We'll find out what the whole truth is, because I've got the expert on Nostradamus, the world expert, John Hogue, coming on in a moment.
As promised, the man who is regarded by many as the world's expert on Nostradamus, I'm sure will have something to say about what's going around on the internet right now, supposedly quoting a Nostradamus quatrain, sounding just like what happened in New York.
Hello there, John.
Hello, Art.
John Hogan.
John, have you been getting copies of this?
My website, like yours, has been slammed, starting from 5 o'clock this morning, from Britain and Daily Mirror in London to people from Singapore, India, everywhere, asking me, is this prophecy that's going around about the city of York, etc., is it real?
Is this really what Nostradamus said?
And the answer to that is...
Absolute fraud.
That's what I thought.
It is a fraud.
I have looked through my computer graphics of all 36,000 words of everything Nostradamus ever said in prophecy.
It is absolute fraud.
It never was written in 1564 as it presumes in some of the indexes of this prophecy and internet explanations.
Let me ask you this, John.
When I read it, it sounded authentic.
Now, I thought there's probably a seed of something he did say within all of this.
Is there?
Yes, there is.
Because I think this is the same fool who put out the village idiot prophecy during the presidential election controversy.
And I think he's learned his lesson a little more in what he's done now.
Is, uh, taking a line from here and from there of authentic Nostradamus prophecies, taking them completely out of context.
What part of this, uh, is authentic in any way?
Well, the, uh, bits and pieces of it are from Century 10 of Quatrain 72, about the year 1999, seven months, the king of terror will descend from the skies.
That, that's been stolen from there.
Some of the issues about two great brothers at war, that's been stolen from the Castor Pollock's prophecies about Hungary and the Hungarian Revolution.
Um, and a few other things with insertions that link it all together that are totally spurious.
All right, so he just cherry-picked a bunch of stuff and made up the rest of it, and that's what it is, and so everybody can regard it as a fraud.
And I would only add that this is the kind of thinking that a fundamentalist mind does with all kinds of scriptures, whether it be the Quran, or the Bible, or Nostradamus.
Hear, hear.
They put their bias and their prejudice, and they find the things that suit it, And they pluck it like a ransom note and put it together and frighten the world.
I've got it.
John, thank you.
You're welcome.
Take care, my friend.
So there you've got it from the expert on Nostradamus.
When that one shows up in your email, you can just delete it like you would a virus.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
How you doing?
I'm doing all right, sir.
Where are you?
I'm in Atlanta, Georgia.
Okay.
Yeah, well, first thing I wanted to say, I'm just totally outraged about all the innocent people that died.
And people are rejoicing and parading around.
You know, that just irks me.
And I was watching the news tonight and they were saying one hijacker was trained at a U.S.
flight school.
It may be more than one.
Maybe more than one.
That's right.
Yes, they're looking into flight schools in Florida and elsewhere.
That's true.
I mean, I believe, I hope Bush will do the right thing.
Just to go in there and clear them out that are responsible for all this.
Well, uh, you know, I mean, what would you see done?
Clear out now, what do you mean?
I mean, just put them out.
I mean, get rid of them.
Take them off the face of the earth.
And if they could make a law of letting, you know, not letting the Iranians or Iraqians or Palestinians ever step foot in this country, That would solve a lot of problems, I believe.
So just don't let any more Palestinians or Arab extraction people in?
Is that what you're saying?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
No.
I mean, yes, that's what I'm saying, but never to let them step foot in our country.
Because, you know, they take over.
You know, they, you know, get these businesses going.
You know, it's taken, you know, from the United States, you know, the people of the United States.
All right.
Are you there?
Yeah, I'm here.
I'm not necessarily happy with what I'm hearing from you, but I'm here.
Well, I'm sorry that you're not happy.
I mean, you're an American.
What you're doing is indicting an entire people for what a fringe radical group has done.
Now, there may be cause to, as the President said, go after the government that harbors these murderers, these terrorists, but that doesn't mean to go after a whole people as you would do there.
That's exactly, frankly, what I've been talking about tonight, and others have been talking about tonight.
God, that's dangerous.
It's our primal selves.
I understand that, but... We can't do that.
Not without being what they are.
Or turning ourselves into something other than what we thought we were, or are.
We've always had our hands open to the world's underprivileged.
And I know it's not popular, politically popular these days to retain those sentiments, but they were written there for a reason.
And if these terrorists manage to change us into a police state, so we're all safe for our own good, Or they turn us into haters so much that we turn into a virtual lynch mob.
Then they have succeeded.
I'm all for a heavy response, but an appropriate response.
An appropriate response is to go after these people, Bin Laden and company, and kill them.
Now, what might that mean?
Let's fully understand.
What might that mean?
Does that mean safe, easy, let's push the button on cruise missiles?
No, it means more than that.
We've missed Bin Laden that way plenty of times.
What we will have to do if we really want to get him is to go in and get him.
To put U.S.
Marines, as we always have, on the ground in Afghanistan, no small matter, and go and get him and kill him.
Or bring him back and put him on trial and kill him.
Then as far as the country of Afghanistan and other countries that have harbored People like this, if that's what turns out to be true, and it's certainly going in that direction, we have every right then to take apart their military capability, take apart their infrastructure.
But we dare not go beyond that.
We dare not begin killing civilians, because then we are as they are.
And so that kind of call just really scares the hell out of me.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hey, Arnold.
I'm still on hold.
Yes, sir.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Anyway, as I was finishing that, all the news media put out, attack on America.
The terrorist word is gone.
And we're going to go and we're going to do something.
Like I said, Pearl Harbor.
I'm sorry.
I should have come back to you.
I did put you on hold.
I apologize.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, you're exactly right.
They began this as terrorism comes to America with a lot of other headlines.
And now it's attack on America everywhere.
That's correct, because they're trying to follow what Bush is doing right now.
He's meeting with a bunch of different countries right now and connecting up, making sure that they support us, because what we're about to do, a lot of people will look at it just as bad as they are, because there's going to be casualties.
What we're going to do, if you remember Pearl Harbor, why the world looks at us, the Japanese attacked us, we used a new technology called the A-bomb on them, and it dropped them to their knees and it stopped it.
If we do not do anything radical, It's going to happen again.
Remember that building was attacked once, and we let it go.
We said, okay, we're going to bring it back to justice, and look what happened now.
They killed 50,000 Americans.
We're going to have to send a message.
We're going to have to tell the world that, hey, you never do this to America, and this is what's going to happen to you.
We're going to do something that the whole world's going to go, oh my God, they're serious.
That's what this is going to do.
We're going to do something incredibly serious and the whole world is going to be just as scared and just as shaken about what we experienced just right now.
Our country is going to take this ever from anyone, ever again.
Would you think that before we do anything at all, before we attack or whatever it is we're going to do, that we get a regular old declaration of war?
We may.
He's looking forward, moving forward towards a declaration of war.
That's what he's moving on right now.
And this will be, he's going to do something fast, quick, and something that gets a big response from the whole world.
And like there's many other factions of this terrorist group, not just one, that are multi-faceted.
We can't attack them all, it'd take too much time, it'd bankrupt our country to take them out attacking all these points.
We can't do it.
We have to hit one target so damn hard that the rest of these terrorists that want to plan on doing this again are going to think twice.
They're never going to do it again.
We want to scare the crap out of them.
That's what George Bush is planning to do.
You know, I'm all for doing that, but I don't think that what we can do is to just sort of, for example, go after civilians.
For example, drop a nuclear weapon on Kabul or something like that.
We can't do something like that.
Pakistan, I don't know.
Maybe they'll fly over and drop letters on that area and say, look, innocent citizens, leave this area now.
There's going to be a major event that will happen in this particular area.
Just evacuate the city.
We did that with Japan, I believe.
We dropped letters that said, you know, get out of this particular area.
Something's going to happen.
We don't want innocent people hurt any more than anyone else.
It does, but there has to be a message sent that America can't be touched like this.
Alright, I appreciate your call.
I don't agree with your comments.
I don't think we can do that.
I think that we can have it.
We can certainly, and we do have the power to, initiate a devastating attack.
I mean, you can take a country apart without intending to kill innocent civilians.
There's always what's called collateral damage, and there are going to be innocents who die.
But it's intent that matters, and we don't have to intend to kill civilians.
Because if we do, then how do we measure the difference between what we're doing and what they did?
Huh?
If we drop an atomic bomb or something on civilians, how do we measure the difference between them and us?
No, I think we can hit very, very hard without doing that.
I think we can deliver an unmistakable message to any country that would harbor people who would do something like this.
Absolutely unmistakable.
But not that.
East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Hello.
Yes, I wanted to say that I think the American people are being led around by the nose like fools by the corporate media in this country.
In what way?
In the way that all of these so-called experts you talk about are proven psychological warfare liars.
These people in the CIA and the different alphabet shadow government organizations.
All of them, sir?
East of the Rockies, call toll-free 1-800-825-5033.
Top officers... Okay, well, alright, hold on.
You need not give me a litany of names.
I'd rather you don't, actually.
No, I'm talking about former officers who've come out of the cold and have said that their own agencies have lied, have peddled propaganda to justify bellicose operations against countries around the world, have fabricated propaganda, And I think people who know better are pretending not to know better throughout the media.
Oh, listen, no question about it.
We propagandize our own people, always have, just the way every other country in the world does with their people.
I think it's particularly dangerous right now.
I think if you're going to serve the public, you should have somebody on from Covert Action Magazine, some of these former CIA agents.
Well, haven't you noticed I'm not doing that stuff?
I'm leaving that to others.
Well, check out the Covert Action Magazine and their org website, because I think what we're going to find out here is that this is a deliberate plan to threaten what's left of our democratic rights.
I think the people in the Pentagon and these demagogic politicians in the White House and Congress are grueling at the prospect of seizing on and twisting and perverting this situation, leaving out the fact That the United States has, contrary to what you said,
Killed millions of people around the world, from the 3 million people in Indochina with saturation bombings, with clochette bombs, with Agent Orange, in Indonesia, and in Latin America.
Millions were killed as a result of CIA overthrows of governments, the support of, and arming and training, and creation of death squad regimes that have killed hundreds of thousands of people in Guatemala, El Salvador, Latin America, for instance now in Iraq.
According to Progressive Magazine, they've got an article by a man who's got D.I.A., Defense Intelligence.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Pause for a moment.
Take a deep breath.
If you had been the guy in charge during the years that there was an honest-to-God challenge, are you there?
Oh yeah, excuse me.
Go ahead.
Being that quiet causes you to tumble, right?
No, I just dropped my phone.
Alright, we'll try it again.
If you'd been the guy in charge during the years that Uh, communism was flourishing and spreading because that was the only way it could survive.
And you were in charge of liberty, freedom, and the American way.
What would you have done?
I know that we overthrew some governments.
I know that we did... It had nothing to do... Well, I don't believe it had anything to do with protecting our freedoms.
Well, sure it did.
If you look at... It had nothing to do with that.
Sir, if the Communists wanted to take over the world, which they did, you do acknowledge that, don't you?
I absolutely do not, because the United States had the thousands of bases around the world as projected forces, whereas they had their forces around their borders, primarily the amount that the United States, in support of U.S.
transnational corporations, had around the world...
In other words, then, you don't think the action, for example, that we took in Korea was justified?
No, I think people have got to see the hidden history, the true history of something like that.
And in Afghanistan.
I'd like to point out to you, listen, I appreciate your calls.
Goodbye.
But there are hidden histories on both sides.
And I know that we haven't been angels.
I know that we have had covert operations.
And we've overthrown governments, or had them overthrown, and we've done our own assassinations and all the rest of it.
Anybody who would think otherwise is naive.
But to suggest we are the evil incarnate, and then probably to go on and suggest that what happened in New York is just punishment for that evil nature, and the evil that we have done throughout the world, is crazy.
Absolutely crazy.
We have behaved as we've had to behave internationally.
We've been dealing with the Russians and Chinese now and many others who do not wish us well.
And we've had to get down there in the trenches and fight with them.
And that's not always a pretty thing.
And so we have not always acted in a pretty way.
But still, as I look at our Constitution, Even our corporate nation.
See, I'm on your side there.
Sure, we're a nation of corporations, so what?
We do have something that the rest of the world does not have, by and large.
We have these precious freedoms.
You and I may certainly agree that they're to some degree threatened by what's going on right now.
The rest of it sounds like party wine to me.
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Hello.
Hello there.
My name's Mary Ellen and I'm calling from Southeast Oregon.
Yes, Mary Ellen.
And I just, it's been very conspicuous by its absence that I looked it up in the Almanac and discovered that September the 11th was Muhammad's birthday.
Really?
Really?
Um, I did not know that.
Like I say, it's been conspicuous by its absence.
Nobody's mentioned it, huh?
Not a soul.
Television, radio, nothing.
Well, now you have.
I have not heard before.
No one's mentioned it to me.
So, about its conspicuous absence, you're absolutely right.
I really appreciate your calling our attention to that.
Thank you for taking my call.
Very welcome.
Thank you for making it.
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Boy, this topic is kind of like the unexplained itself, isn't it?
We've got a photo on the website right now that's a knockout, but the website has essentially been knocked out.
You may get through as morning wears on, or if not, just chuck it in and get to my website tomorrow when we get the service back.
We're working hard on that right now.
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So bear with us.
There's a photo a lot of people want to see there, an unretouched photograph.
Uh, showing, um, an evil face.
I mean, it's, uh... It's... It doesn't, uh... It doesn't take somebody explaining to you what it is.
It just hits you right in the eye.
That's as the plane impacted the building as the damnedest thing you ever saw.
And I repeat, unretouched.
You can check it out for yourself and compare it to the original.
Going now to a familiar voice to all of you, more recently than me, it's been a while, Stan Dale, who was in Australia and now has repatriated himself.
He's back.
Stan, welcome.
Thank you, Art.
It's good to be back.
And are you doing better yourself with your back?
I am.
It's one of those things that comes and goes.
It's still with me, Stan, so it's a day-to-day thing, but, you know, I'm dealing with it.
Well, I'm certainly glad to hear you're back online.
It's really kind of sad times to be talking, isn't it?
Yes.
This fella, Ben Layton, that they're pinning this thing on, back in February of 98, you know, he put a fatwa on it.
I don't know whether anybody said that yet, but he put a religious decree.
Well, it's essentially like this was an act of war.
Essentially, they declared war, and we have not yet.
Well, he did this back in 98.
I can understand why he comes out and says, oh, he didn't do this.
He's told everybody else that works for him or wants to ally themselves with him to go get us.
And, you know, Holly and I put together about a five-part series on nuclear biological threats to the United States, and he featured really high right there in the middle of it.
In fact, if you can go to our website, we've got a link up there straight to that five-part series, and just click on the second one about Osama Bin Laden, you can see there's another evil face on that one.
Yeah, well, he's got the will, he's got the ability, he's got the resources, he's got the money.
And, you know, you could convict somebody of a crime with that much evidence.
It's just circumstantial.
People get, you know, convicted many times of murder on circumstantial evidence.
And most of it's there.
Motive, means, opportunity, it's all there.
Well, I mean, that'll be his own mouth.
I mean, you know, I can't see how people can't see this.
I mean, we've been trying to warn people for some time, you know.
Actually, I'll tell you what, I found out something the other day.
Which is quite interesting.
Here in the United States, there is a group that's been formed to fight terrorism and to prepare for terrorism attacks.
And it's been operational for some time.
And you can see it on their government website.
It's www.tswg.gov.
And if you want to see some real clout, you go see who sits on that board of directors under Colin Powell and what they do.
It's mighty.
Well, how do you suppose, Stan, that with all of these organizations and all of our government agencies, we've managed not even to get a sufficient whiff of this to act?
I don't know that that was exactly true.
They've caught a lot of other guys, as you know, since... Well, what do you know to be true?
Did we have warning of this?
Specifically?
Well, not specifically, no.
I think that they knew something was coming down.
They were trying to figure out where it was coming from, but... This department that we've got there have caught a lot of others that you just haven't heard about.
With the biochem stuff.
I'm well aware that even our... The FBI, for example, has caught many, many people who are on their way to do no good here.
And you don't hear a whole lot about the successes, just big failures like this?
Well, yeah.
This one, okay.
And it was certainly a bad one to slip through the cracks.
But by the same token, I've got to tell you that they've caught a lot of them that we haven't heard about.
That's a fact.
You can't just say everything out in the press about what you caught them doing because you don't want to encourage any copycat.
What do you see us doing soon?
Well...
Where we live out here in southern Colorado, for instance, they have put extra guards on everything.
Even the military here who've gone to get back on base can't do it if they were off base when the terrorist attack hit.
They're having to stay out in civilian land because unless they have a critical, or a mission-critical job, they can't get back on the base.
So you're seeing lots of security?
Oh, lots.
And there's a whole big, oh, like mustard gas and chemical warfare storage depot south of us, about 20 miles.
Well, it wouldn't be good.
It wouldn't be good.
and other things they had.
Yeah, suppose I'd hit a, dove a plane into that or one of our nuclear plants or something.
Well, it wouldn't be good.
It wouldn't be good.
And so I see, what I see is probably going to be necessary is a kind of a limited form of martial law in some places.
Alright.
Continue.
Stan, I'm in open line, so I can't keep you on for a long time, but we'll arrange a show.
We'll do a whole show, Stan.
Hey, sounds good.
Thank you.
Good night.
That's scary stuff.
That's really scary stuff.
Because that's... It's where we may inevitably be going, but God, it's scary.
I said it yesterday on the program.
I'll say it again.
I've done a lot.
You know, I've traveled around the world.
Many times, actually.
Been very fortunate.
And a lot of countries you go to, as a routine thing, you see people in the street everywhere with submachine guns.
It's very unsettling for an American.
And that may be where we're headed here.
If we are going to really be able to protect ourselves against, I guess, you know, what's coming.
What's already begun.
It's coming.
We used to say what's coming, right?
It's already happened.
If we're going to protect ourselves against this in every way, then we're going to turn into an armed camp.
And with it, a lot of our freedoms are going to disintegrate.
A lot of what's in the Bill of Rights isn't going to be right anymore.
International Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Good morning.
Well, I guess it's a good evening here from Busan, Korea.
Korea?
Yes, sir.
Yes, welcome to the program.
Glad to have you.
Well, just checking in from here.
Well, you know, all the expat community here, we're losing probably more sleep than people in America because the CNN news happens during our nighttime here.
Well, of course, actually, the CNN news is now going on 24 hours a day and probably will continue to do so, but I understand what you're saying.
You're in the military there?
No, I'm a lawyer here in Korea.
You're a lawyer?
Just a member of the expat community.
Okay.
Um, what's it like hearing about something of this magnitude and being that far away?
It's... I mean, at first, I was driving home.
When I heard about it, it was about 11.30 at night here.
I was driving home.
I heard something on the radio.
I went into a tunnel and missed it.
And when I came out of the tunnel, I called my friend and said, hey, check this out for me.
Let me know my radio is on the fridge here, because I keep going through tunnels.
He called me back.
And, of course, I thought he was joking.
I thought he was just feeding me a line.
And then I got my radio signal back and listened to it and it was just stunning.
Sometimes the words like unbelievable or incomprehensible, sometimes the words are so weak to really describe what you feel.
That's because they're overused.
It's just that in this case they really, really apply.
And then they started, the buildings collapsed as soon as I got home and turned on the TV.
What do you say other than, my God, there's really nothing else you can say?
Well, I'm sure that you've heard some of the people calling in.
There are some pretty severe reactions, both to people of Arab nationality and to calls for, you know, virtual carpet bombing, if not nuclear warfare, that kind of thing.
You know, I'm glad there's not a lot of that going on here in Korea.
Korea is actually very, very quiet.
I don't know if it's something that I'm projecting onto society, but it really seems like the atmosphere here for the past couple of days has been somewhat subdued.
Koreans seem to generally be concerned about what our response will be and what effect that response will gather from the rest of the world.
The economy is still pretty weak here in Korea.
Koreans seem to be generally pretty worried that whatever we do is going to directly affect their economy for the negative.
I mean, on an individual basis, every Korean I see, I don't even have to know them, but they'll still tell you, how are you?
Are you from America?
Is your family okay?
Are your friends okay?
How are everything?
I mean, there's genuine concern for us expats as an individual as well as They don't call it the World Trade Center for nothing.
It's the center of the world economy.
That's right, and I guess I don't have to tell you.
I'm sure you've been watching.
Our economy has been softening and softening anyway.
We're all very nervous about when the markets do reopen, Friday or Monday or whatever, that maybe having this extra time is good so everybody can digest the fact that it is not the end of the world.
And hopefully the economy will not take a gigantic tumble, but it's a worry.
It is.
Militarily, you know, the Koreans have really stepped up.
The Korean military is on high alert.
The U.S.
military here is on full alert.
Everyone's restricted to base.
All passes have been canceled.
But they're also, just the police presence on the streets here has just doubled, if not tripled, it seems, in my opinion.
Well, the interesting thing is we've become so complacent about these things, Art.
It's really sad.
You lived in Okinawa for a while, so you know the U.S.
Embassy will put out these warden reports if there's any type of a threat that might be coming.
That's right.
And we all got a warden report on these.
It was either the 7th or the 8th saying there was a credible threat of a terrorist attack or terrorist threats against American expats in Korea and Japan.
We get these every couple of months.
So, everyone did what we usually do.
We go, thanks, stop cluttering up my fact machine, and threw it away.
So, the reaction you're getting from most Koreans is one of sympathy and concern.
Generally, yes.
I haven't heard any of the Koreans make any of the comments like, you know, well, if America finally gets what it deserves, that'll humble the Americans.
I haven't heard one word from that.
Even from the usual sources of that type of criticism.
Oh, I really appreciate that heads up.
That's very important.
And that's the kind of service you can provide for us out there in the rest of the world.
And you sure have done that, sir.
Because a lot of people are suggesting that's exactly what's going on.
A lot of, well, you're getting what you deserve.
That isn't true.
Well, when the first bombing happened in 93, I think there was a lot of that.
Sort of, oh, this will wake you up.
This will make you think.
But this goes so far beyond any bounds of Of any decency or humanity of it.
You'll notice that not even the regular terrorist groups that always claim responsibility for these things, none of them seem to want to have anything to do with this either.
It's just so far over the top.
How can you not feel sympathy?
Well, a lot of people would imagine that when one hotspot lights up, when something like this happens, then you look at other hotspots around the world.
So we've got our eyes on you over there.
I've got my eyes on me over here too.
God bless you over there, Art, and best wishes for everyone.
Thank you very much.
That's from Seoul, South Korea.
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First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hi Art, how you doing?
This is Gene from Colorado Springs.
Hi there.
I haven't been able to listen to your program until you put me on here, but when I was driving home earlier you had a caller that was talking about the retaliation.
He hoped it would be surgical and we would keep away from, you know, civilian fatalities and wherever this may occur.
Yes.
And you concurred.
And I do concur.
There are always, there's always what they call collateral damage.
People, innocents are always killed.
But it's the intent that counts.
In other words, are we trying to just hit military installations and infrastructure?
If so, I'm behind that.
What about you?
Normally, yeah.
And yesterday when this occurred, I was at work.
I'm an engineer by trade.
So, excuse me, I'm playing the cold ones.
You know, the first thing that came out of my mouth, and the co-workers as well, was, my God, I hope when we, not if, but when we retaliate against this, that we do, you know, keep down on the collateral damage as much as possible.
But, over the last 24 hours, I've been thinking about this, and it's become more and more apparent to me, that this is, uh, yesterday the rules changed.
And, the policies and the rhetoric, I think, is probably going out the door on this.
And what we're looking at here is an act of war.
And if we declare war against it, then I think we may have to come to the point very quickly where we decide we have to make a moral decision as a country and as a people.
Whether we're going to go at this in the way that it truly needs to be going at or make a token action.
If Bin Laden and his people did this, then I think we need to kill them.
And in order to really kill them, sir, I think it's going to take more than cruise missiles.
It's going to take Blood and guts Marines on the ground and they're going to have to go and find him and take him out.
Then after that, I certainly can understand any nation supporting him, harboring him, take out their military ability, take out their infrastructure.
But if you begin killing their civilians, if you just go in and, you know, ride one down, And use a thermonuclear device or something of that sort and kill a bunch of civilians, then I don't see how we're any different.
Oh, no, no, and I totally agree.
I mean, nuclear weapons, anything of that kind of mass should be left totally out of this.
Yeah, but you know, to do the kind of damage that they did in New York there, you would almost need a nuclear weapon.
Well, yeah, and I'm not even saying that we need to retaliate in kind as far as damage.
I'm saying that what needs to be done for this kind of war Is that we're going to have to go in on the ground.
Bombing is fine and we'll probably do that.
Yes.
But it will have to be on the ground.
These people are known to hide in villages behind innocent children.
No question about it.
What you do is you do bomb.
You do use the cruise missiles.
And you always do that.
You soften them up.
But all that mostly causes them to do is to duck their heads.
You want them ducking their heads while the people hit the ground.
Unfortunately, they're going to be ducking their heads behind innocent people.
I have a 12-month-old son, and I look at him and I think, I'm sure there's an Afghani with someone who may have been involved with this, living right next door, who loves his son as much as I do.
And that kid is every bit as innocent as my kid.
Alright, well listen, I've got to go.
Good luck with your cold.
Thank you.
Take care.
That sounds like you're really coming down with something.
In the case of they're hiding behind innocent individuals, then you have collateral damage.
Because it is an act of war and it does not stop us.
The fact that they would hide behind innocents does not and should not stop us in my opinion.
We do what we have to do.
We respond.
We take a calculated action.
But part of the mix for us, for our country, Just absolutely has got to be the intent not to try and kill civilians.
That's not us.
I don't want it to be us.
I don't think most of you really, when you think about it, want it to be us.
Do you really?
I see some primitive heads out there shaking yes.
I understand the emotion.
But I think once you've thought it over a little bit, you'll understand that there are ways to accomplish what we need to do.
Uh, without doing that.
I hope so, anyway.
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But what it is ain't exactly clear.
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I think it's time we stopped.
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down.
Those battle lines being drawn.
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong.
Young people speak in their minds Are getting so much resistance
Call me By the little things I say
I can set my back on your face When it's all right and it's coming home
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There you are, and reaching out all the way across the nation and then the Atlantic.
I think from Great Britain, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Where are you calling from?
Hello, Alex.
Well, I'm just outside London in England.
Okay.
Glad to have you.
Welcome.
Welcome.
Thank you.
Yeah, I was just basically a little bit concerned in some ways.
I spent some time in Afghanistan just doing a software installation.
It was a fairly straightforward thing, but Unfortunately, I was there at the worst possible time.
They'd actually just started, the rebel forces, or not rebel, they're actually presidential forces, had started to recapture Kabul.
Right.
The day after I arrived, the airport itself was bombed.
I saw one or two things there.
I mean, they had martial law imposed, there was street searches, that sort of thing.
You can imagine the sort of situation.
Um, I was only meant to be there a very short time, and, uh, ended up being there for a whole month.
But, um, whilst there, the, uh, the place where I was staying, it was actually a house which was owned by a UK company that was actually responsible for part of what was going on, where, with the software installation and so on, we were self-contracted.
Uh, there was some rocket launchers which were very near where I was actually staying.
There was some incoming mortar, and, uh, Basically, the point I'm trying to make is that where I was staying was very near both the UN building and the Red Crescent, which is like Red Cross in Europe and so on.
Right.
It seemed to me that the outgoing rocket fire was deliberately positioned between the two buildings, trying to encourage some sort of retaliatory action to hopefully, as far as I saw it, you know, hoping that it might miss the intended target and hit one of those two buildings.
Really?
Well, it is horrible, and I think we all understand that terrorists, cowards that they are, and the way they operate, if they're cornered, they're going to put themselves in front of civilians.
There's no question about it.
So any attack on our part is going to have to take that into account.
And while I'm certainly not in favor of targeting civilians, I'm afraid that it's going to be We're sorry, it's collateral damage, but it's an act of war, like the one perpetrated on us.
Things like this have been done deliberately before.
I mean, if you think back to Iraq... Well, I don't think your nation, sir, nor my nation, would deliberately target civilians.
Oh, no, don't get me wrong.
I'm just sort of pre-warning.
This is the sort of thing that you can expect.
I think I understand that, but I appreciate your point of view.
Where do you stand on all of this now, other than what you just said?
If you were the guy in charge of answering what has happened in New York, what would you do?
Tough question.
I make my living asking.
Yes, of course.
You have to respond.
You have to respond.
I mean, it's horrible to say it, but I would imagine you'd have to do some sort of ground action.
Yes.
Long distance is great, it's wonderful, but even with the laser guided missiles you're not going to get the precision that you need.
No.
No.
And we never seemed to follow through when it came to Saddam Hussein.
It went so far, and then everyone retracted.
Well, if there's a message to Washington and the other capitals like yours, I think that's it, that we've got to follow through this time.
I think you're exactly right, sir.
Well, certainly, I mean, I don't know if you're aware, but in London, everything's now been heightened security.
The telecoms is now affected to a small degree.
I mean, I'm in a small part of that industry, and I'm hearing that Certainly wouldn't surprise me.
I really hope you will call us again.
Sure.
Thank you.
Take care from Britain.
possible similar action this part of the world as well.
Certainly wouldn't surprise me. I really hope you will call us again.
Sure.
Thank you.
Okay, thank you.
Take care from Great Britain.
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You tell me what do you think?
This was at the moment of impact and you can check it out as an unretouched photo Go to the CNN website yourself and take a look see it just hits you right between the eyes.
This is a face of evil and Uh, directly below the, uh, the fireball.
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You know, to me, uh, if anything is liable to bring a tear to my eye and, uh, somehow through all of this I haven't cried yet.
It's like, uh, it's like With the news, you watch it, but you don't want to watch it.
But you have to watch it.
And that's the way it's been with me, and I've been glued, you know, to CNN.
I don't mind giving them a plug.
And Fox, I've watched a lot of that.
Some Canadian broadcasting, they've been very good.
The BBC has been good.
I think I've been primarily on CNN and Fox.
Fox may have discontinued continuous coverage.
I'm not sure.
It seemed like they were about to earlier today.
But this Flight 93 thing, it probably got me closer so far than anything else to imagine a group of men on that flight.
Men with families both on the ground and with them in the air.
One man voting to rush these terrorists, knowing that it would probably be the end of their lives and then doing so.
I think that act Is a Medal of Honor kind of act.
I don't see how you could not wish to give a Medal of Honor to the people who did that.
They stopped that airplane from getting to the White House, or to the Capitol Building.
And at the direct and immediate expense of their own lives.
And that of their family.
God, what a decision to have made.
Can you imagine that?
That's been something that's been with me all day long since I heard about it.
Just absolutely astounding.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello?
Hello?
Yes, I hear you.
Go ahead.
Oh, okay.
I am, um... I am... I'm really stunned that these guys got through.
I'm really stunned that they used our own airplane.
And that really disappoints me.
Well, apparently they used our own flight schools to even train in.
I know.
And how sick is that?
I want our president to make the right move.
And if he has the right countries behind him, he will be able to go in there and annihilate them.
I don't care what country he has.
What do you think the right move is?
What do you mean by annihilate?
I want him to go in there on the ground, in the air.
I want him to go in there so I don't have to look over my shoulder every time I take a walk.
Or look up in the sky and make sure that the airplane ain't coming down on me or my kids.
What pain those people are going through in New York.
How dare they do that to us?
I agree.
It is time that we got them where we want them.
And if the nations are going to back us, then we'll be able to go in there and annihilate them.
And of course, we're going to lose a few guys, but my God, we've already lost how many How many people have we lost?
Usually when this happens, this sort of thing, and we've had a lot of lesser occurrences, the coal and, you know, I could go on and on, Marines who have been killed, and we usually don't do very much, or we do something that's seen to be very ineffective.
So I agree with you.
Let's go in and stop it.
This is war.
I don't want to see us doing anything that's going to kill a lot of innocent civilians, but some will no doubt die.
On both sides.
On both sides, yes ma'am.
It's war and we better damn well go in and finish the job.
Get it done.
And take out this man.
Because all he's gonna do is turn around and do it again.
And we're the ones that are paying for it because, like you said, we trained him.
They used our planes that we built.
And that really makes me mad.
I'm with you all the way.
Thank you very much for the call.
I think that's a correct sentiment now.
I know there's probably no real correct sentiment.
Who am I to be judging?
But I agree with that lady.
I guess what that really means is I agree with that lady.
Let's go get them.
And I think that's probably exactly what they're planning to do in Washington right now.
At least I certainly hope so.
I know one thing for sure.
What I talked about last night in terms of being in shock and that being converted to anger, that process is underway right now.
You're beginning to hear it reflected in some of the calls that we've been taking this morning.
The process is well underway, and the President and the people around the President understand that.
There's a sort of a period of time where they're going to have to take action, after which it'll be more difficult to take action.
A window of opportunity, if you will.
And the President is going to have to act within that window of opportunity, because you can already feel the shift underway as you listen to people speak this morning.
The shift is clearly well underway.
A wild card line.
You're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Yes, sir.
Where are you?
This is Vince from Denver.
OK, on a cell phone, of course.
Your favorite.
Yeah.
Well, I'll make it quick.
Sure.
I would like to emphasize that this is not a crime, but an act of war.
And so because of that, I would be against going and getting in and bringing them back to put them on trial.
That's not what you do in war.
You go out and you annihilate them.
Yes.
You eliminate them from the face of the planet.
Yes.
You don't hear a lot of talk in Washington right now about bringing these people to justice.
Right.
Which means we're going to go get them and put them on trial in, you know, the court of the Hague or something or another, even back in the States.
Forget that.
Let's go kill them.
And I think that the ones that they find in the United States who are part of this, they should Turn over to the military and do what we do with enemy soldiers.
We are at war.
We have war declared on us, just like when Japan dropped the bombs on Pearl Harbor.
It is no different.
Well, that's why I believe that we should, prior to the attack, the President should go to Congress and ask for a declaration of war.
Absolutely.
100% agree with you.
We need that declaration from the United States Congress official vote.
Because that's what we're at.
Otherwise, it's just a military strike for tapping, and then that won't work.
Agreed, sir.
Thank you very much.
Absolutely agreed.
On my international line, you are on the air.
Where are you calling from, please?
Turn your radio or your computer off and tell me where you're calling from, please.
Hello?
Hello?
Yes, sir.
Oh, my God.
I'm on the line.
Actually, you're on the air, sir.
Where are you?
I am in New York, New York.
You're in New York, New York?
Yes, I am.
Art, I want to tell you first off, it is a privilege to finally speak with you.
Oh, thank you.
I've got to tell you, I'm looking at your pictures on the website, and the WTC2 series is on your webpage.
If you look at the second series of photographs that were sent in, the second picture, where the plane is going into the World Trade Tower, There looks to me, I'm looking at it right now, looks to me like another face of another devil or evil spirit or whatever you want to call it.
I'm just calling to tell you that.
First off, second off, I cannot believe that this has finally happened in the United States.
I think this is going to be the beginning of the war of good versus evil in the world.
Finally, The people of good are going to align against the evil forces, and finally we may have a resolution to good and evil on this planet.
Well, I don't know if it's going to be that wide-sweeping, but I think this particular evil is about to be snuffed out.
Well, you mentioned earlier, as I've listened to the phone calls, that you On the one hand, you feel that the United States needs to take a broad sweep at the evil forces.
On the other hand, you're saying, well, collateral damage, yes, innocent people are going to be killed.
But at the same time, you know, what are we going to do?
I mean, innocent people are going to be killed regardless of what we do.
Yes, but it should not be our intent in the response that we have to kill innocent civilians.
That's all I've been saying.
It should not be central to our intent.
Central to their intent in what they did to us was to kill as many innocent civilians as possible.
We don't need to do that.
Right, I agree.
That should not be the intent.
Obviously, any God-fearing people on this planet is going to assume that that is not the intent.
However... This is war, and... This is war... Yes.
And how are we going to go after Bin Laden without...
Causing an army of his forces to continue to barrage this country, and not only this country, but the rest of God-fearing people on this planet, to line up and do exactly what these people have done.
Since you're in the city, what is your sense of how the city is doing there?
Art, I've been down to as close as I can get.
Art, I've got to tell you, you mentioned that you have not shed a tear.
It's hard not to.
I haven't shed a tear, but it's emotional.
People are walking around.
They're shell-shocked.
I can't believe walking down.
For 20 years I've been in the city.
I've never been able to reach on the show.
As interesting as your shows are on UFOs and out-of-bodies and shadow people and vampires and Bigfoot, you know the history of your show.
To finally get through and finally are, I gotta tell you, The city isn't.
We're shocked.
Just go down there and see.
The buildings, they're not there.
They're not there.
I know.
Listen, I appreciate your call.
I saw exactly what you're describing.
One of the reporters from Fox got escorted in just very nearly ground zero.
And they took video of blocks in either direction.
And it was Unblanking believable.
It was just not... It was surreal.
The damage was so comprehensive, so awful.
It was absolutely surreal.
God, it was incredible.
That almost brought me there.
This whole thing over the voting in the aircraft to do with those very, very, very brave patriotic Americans did in that aircraft.
That got me pretty close.
I tend to internalize things.
I don't cry very frequently about anything.
On my international line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Uh, well, we lost you.
That's too bad.
Um, east of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
Hello.
Okay, this is Sarah from Houston.
Hi, Sarah.
And, um, I'm actually part Arab American, um, I'm part Syrian.
Okay.
And, um, and I was just looking at some pictures on my wall, and actually I'm half Syrian, half Mexican.
And the funny part is, is that, um, One of the first callers from, I think it was Yuba City?
Yes.
Said for them to look like Mexicans.
I'm looking at pictures of my cousins and stuff like that, and one of my Mexican cousins, she looks so much more Arab than I do.
And she's pure Mexican.
And I'm just like, you know, it's like, you know, you can't just do that.
Most people can't tell the difference between an Indian and a Pakistani.
And then you're gonna just throw them all up in the same category.
And for every Like, let's say 10 to 50 Muslims out there?
Yes.
Only one of them are going to be the terrorist.
You know, I just can't believe that.
I know that.
You know it.
Actually, the numbers are probably much bigger than that.
But there's a base thing, hun, in everybody's brains, sort of a A reactive, uh, lynch mob kind of mentality that's not gonna delineate.
Listen, I've got a break.
You wanna hold on for a sec?
Yes, please.
Alright, stay right where you are, please.
I understand your dilemma.
Believe me, I understand your dilemma.
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It is hard to watch the news, isn't it?
Hard not to watch the news.
I've been glued to it like everybody else.
I'll get back to the young lady, I think, down in Texas in just a moment.
Stay right there.
All right, back to the very patient young lady in Texas.
You're back on the air again.
Thank you for holding.
Actually, what I was thinking about is like, I have class in about five hours and I'm going up to school and I'm actually going to pick up one of my friends before going to school because she's Saudi and she does wear the head covering.
And she called me earlier and she had already been threatened at school.
Oh, brother.
Um, I actually offered, even though, um, see what I was talking about earlier about like how my cousins that are Syrian, I have cousins, I have family that's in Syria and Lebanon and they look nothing like a typical Arab.
They're really light skinned.
I, most people think I'm Eastern European.
Okay.
But most of my Mexican family look very Arab.
They have the straight hair and the eyes and everything else.
They look very Arab.
That's what I'm saying.
You can't just, you know, look at them and try to attack people because You know, even if it's a natural urge, because I know that I thought the same way.
I was like, can we just bomb them, please?
But then I remember seeing that thing on CNN a couple weeks ago about Afghanistan.
One day, humanity may outgrow this.
I guess that day is not today, so you're going to have to be careful.
Well, actually, I offered to wear the head covering, too.
And since then, I wish she wouldn't be alone.
The way she would feel alone.
I offered to do it, and I agree with you about Flight 93.
And the other people who just definitely deserve everybody's prayers and thanks and everything are the firefighters and the rescue workers and everything else.
Absolutely.
Because no matter if they're bloody, if they're hurt, whatever, they will go back in there and that's their job.
There are going to be a lot of people that deserve the Medal of Honor, in my opinion.
And Flight 93, definitely.
Obviously, the people on the ground.
Lots of heroics to go around in all of this.
Thank you for the call.
Take care.
All right, let's go quickly to our international line.
You are on the air.
Where are you calling from, please?
I'm calling from Australia.
How are you?
Just fine, sir.
I would like to give my condolences to the American people.
This is a horrible thing that's happened.
It's actually unimaginable, except that you're absolutely inundated with it.
As I said, it's hard.
To watch the news, but it's equally hard not to watch it.
It's something you're glued to.
It's absolutely unbelievable.
I can assure you that the whole country is stunned.
Because we've also got 85 Australians, unfortunately, that are missing.
85 Australians?
That were in the Twin Towers?
Yes, some in the Twin Towers, but we know that a few of them were on those planes that actually Crash into the Pentagon and also the Twin Towers.
Aye, aye, aye.
They were tourists.
Is the news covering it wall to wall in Australia?
Yes.
We've got CNN and all the other channels.
Satellite, the whole works, and it's absolutely wall to wall.
I mean, look, I took a day off and I was watching it all night, to be honest.
Oh, that's right.
Everything's upside down.
No pun intended.
That's exactly right, you know.
But it's... It's unbelievable!
I couldn't... I was watching that plane going to the side of that building and I thought... Now, this has to be some sort of special effect.
Yeah.
Looks like a movie, right?
Yeah, you know, and also, too, I went down to the American consulate and you should see it, Art.
It's a sea of flowers.
Is it really?
Down there.
It's a sea of flowers.
Your American ambassador, he was outside today.
There were hundreds of people there.
You know, basically trying to express their grief and also at the same time he was shaking hands with everybody.
The Australian Post Office all over the country have got books now where people can go in there and sign it and give messages that it will be sent to the consulate and that will be forwarded on to the United States towards outside the blood banks.
There's people right around the corner offering to give blood to You know, our American cousins, because we're pretty close to you guys.
And it's like our Prime Minister said, an attack on the United States is an attack on Australia.
Well, believe me, for America, I thank all of you for your support, and I think Americans are feeling the support and feeling pretty good about it.
It's nice for a change.
Well, our Prime Minister came onto news and he said that basically, if America decides to take action, And they need troops, and our troops will be committed along with yours.
Well, I think to do the job, we are going to need troops.
Period.
I think that they can't just go push the button on a bunch of cruise missiles this time.
It's gonna have to be that, probably, followed by people on the ground to get the job done.
Well, it's like the Prime Minister said, our American cousins needn't feel alone because, you know, the rest of the Western world are with them.
We certainly appreciate your support, sir.
Thank you.
No problem.
Take care.
That's all the way from Australia.
And here's kind of a special call.
This is Mark.
Mark is a pilot.
Mark, what kind of jets do you drive?
I'm a co-pilot for a major airline on a Boeing 737.
Yes, sir.
Glad to have you.
I have several questions for you, but if you have something, you go first.
Well, I guess I'll first tell you my story.
I began a trip on Monday.
And we were actually flying into New York the night before, Monday night, into LaGuardia, and we were vectored directly over downtown New York City, right over the World Trade Center.
And the thought actually crossed my mind that, wow, you know, it would be really easy for someone to crash into the city from up here.
Did you really think about that?
It really crossed my mind.
So we landed, and we stayed downtown, and we left very early the next morning.
Uh, and I'm thanking God every single minute that my plane wasn't one of them that was hijacked.
It's a little selfish, but that's how I feel.
Do you understand how this was done, uh, by the hijackers?
In other words, getting passengers and, uh, stewards, uh, stewardesses in back and, uh, beginning to slit throats, I suppose.
And, uh, and getting somebody like you or the pilot to come out and then rushing the cabin.
Well, the first thing we're trained to do in a hijacking situation, if we know about it, is to never leave the cockpit.
Unless you just... Unless someone has to fly the airplane.
Unless you just think it's a disturbance going on that would require one of you, at least, to go back.
Well, that's, you know, with an unruly customer, that's like the last resort.
If we have to leave the cockpit, then there's big problems.
Um, the only way that this could happen if the pilots had to be, they had to have been killed.
If I wanted to come and kick in your door, could I do it?
The door is made of aluminum.
It's very, very flimsy and it's actually made, uh, that way just because of weight problems.
Um, the kind of doors that people were describing on your show earlier that they think ought to be on airplanes really Would add a great deal of weight to the airplane.
Well, there would add weight, but it may be a trade-off that we'll have to make.
Well, that's what I'm thinking also.
And weight and fuel is money to an airline, so... I know.
...it's going to cost.
There was something discussed on almost all the channels earlier that I would like to ask you about, and that is that between the first airplane impacting one of the towers and the second airplane, there was about 18 minutes in which Air traffic controllers on the ground simply sat back in horror knowing exactly what was happening and apparently couldn't do anything.
There's nothing you can do short of shooting it down.
A person can drive an airplane anywhere if they're in control of it.
Unless there's surface-to-air missiles on top of the buildings, I mean, there's just really no way to stop an airplane if somebody's driving it.
If somebody wants to kill themselves, someone wants to hijack an airplane, I don't care what kind of security they have, they can do it.
Are you up to date on the story of Flight 93?
Yes, sir, I am, and I applaud you very, very much.
I agree also.
Civilians can't win the Medal of Honor, but there is a civilian version.
Yeah, there is, and it should be awarded.
I agree.
It's just hard to imagine a group of passengers voting, sitting back there, voting, knowing they're going to end their own lives, to stop something from hitting the White House.
Absolutely.
Anything else you'd like to say?
No, sir.
Surreal, I think, is the proverbial word.
And I'm shocked and I'm sad.
And I was also a F-18 pilot in the Navy for 10 years.
And I flew in Desert Storm.
And during that war, I really was detached from it.
I was just kind of there to do a job.
Felt like we were just protecting oil.
This time, I feel true anger.
They really hurt us this time.
Oh, they did.
What do you hear about the possibility of getting back in the air again?
What's the latest?
I understand tomorrow, or I guess just this morning, tonight, flights are going to start up again.
Our airline is not flying tomorrow.
They said a limited basis, and what I heard was that those that were in route to some destination will be allowed to proceed and finish the flight.
Are they going to go beyond that and begin to allow some routes to just plain open?
I'm assuming tomorrow is just going to be a repositioning of airplanes.
Airplanes have to be in position to operate a flight schedule.
So that's probably what's going to happen tomorrow, and I'm guessing maybe by the weekend, a full flight schedule.
All right.
I sure appreciate your call.
Thank you.
You're sure.
I applaud you.
Take care.
You know, I think they're going to have to put better doors there, obviously.
Because as I tried to say earlier, you know, I know they're going to stop.
There are no more knives on aircraft and so forth.
But when you consider the prisoners make shanks and stab people, there's always a way.
I mean, if you're willing to sacrifice your life for a cause, no matter how perverted from our point of view that might be, your odds of success are probably about three out of four.
And that's too good.
So there has to be a way to stop it.
And maybe the only way is an impenetrable door.
I don't know.
A wild card line.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning.
Well, I don't know if this is going to be relevant to what has been happening, all the terrorism that we've been having here in the States, but I'm here in Dallas and my name is Vicki and earlier I was watching the news on Fox and the local news came on and said that a The plane had crashed in the Yucatan Peninsula.
That is correct.
It is a two-engine plane, I think, that went down.
Well, most of those that were on there were Americans.
Right.
I don't know, either, whether it's relevant.
That's why I haven't mentioned it.
Had it been one of the larger airplanes, like the ones that were used in the attack in New York, I would have mentioned it, but I'm loathe to connect it to what's happened because of the size of the aircraft.
I would think if it was related in some way that it would have been a bigger aircraft, but you never know.
You never know, and it's so scary now.
I mean, all of Texas is just in shock.
It's really eerie around here.
You don't see people out anymore.
Downtown Dallas has just been You know, it's like it's been evacuated, and we thought we had a bomb scare today, and of course it turned out to be nothing, but... There is going to be a very great deal of that in the coming days.
You know, a lot of copycat stuff around, and they know that any threat now is going to be taken very seriously, so there'll be a lot of nutcases out there trying to cause trouble.
I know, it's just... Trouble is, you've got to take them seriously.
Yes.
Yes, and I just, you know, I want us to do something desperately, but I'd like, uh, you said, I don't want a lot of innocent casualties.
Right.
I, I'm just hoping that, uh, and I'll tell you one thing that makes me feel really good is like the Australian caller that called earlier and offered their supports and their troops and everybody is sticking behind us and All the patriotism that, you know, is going on and everything like that.
And people are coming together.
You're right.
It really does seem like the world is pretty much behind us right now, doesn't it?
Yes, it does.
And it makes me feel good.
And I know it makes a lot of other people feel good.
And because we need all the support right now, we can get.
Yes, we do.
For what is about to happen.
We need a lot of support.
You're right.
And not just in military.
I'm talking about moral support also.
Well, it seems to be there as I take calls from around the world.
Thank you very much.
It sure does seem to be there.
I get the definite sense that the world is looking at what has happened in New York in a very, very different light.
Than anything that has gone on before, and whatever you think of U.S.
actions in the past.
And we have not always been the perfect princes and princesses, have we?
Of course not.
But this one is so far over the top that I think it eclipses any feelings of that sort that people have had, like the man from Korea said.
What's with the Rockies?
You're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Going once.
Going twice.
Hello?
Yes, hello.
Good thing you said hello.
I was about to leave the line.
Oh, I wasn't sure I was on.
Yes, you are.
Turn your radio off, please.
Okay, it's actually the television.
Whatever.
Okay.
Hold on.
Okay.
I'm in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Yes, ma'am.
And my name is Rita.
And like most Americans and I guess a lot of the world, I'm still in shock and I keep thinking I'm going to wake up out of this nightmare and it's not going to happen.
I know.
I have a friend that lives in Florida.
Her husband is an air traffic controller, and according to his co-workers and the people he has talked to, the word is that they will only be at about 20% as far as flights go for the next several days, and he says that it will be probably a couple weeks before they're in full gear.
Is that another thing?
I don't know if Americans, particularly in cities, are ever going to look up in the sky and see a big airliner and not wonder.
I know.
I know I will.
On another note, my family, we had won a trip to Disneyland through the Coca-Cola Company, Nestle's Corporation, and Albertson's Grocery Store.
And we were supposed to go in July, and I postponed it because of the heat.
Well, you can't go now, that's for sure.
Well, we were scheduled to go on Friday, and I spoke with a woman that put this package together today, and she said that today was the last day we could decide whether or not to change things.
Oh, brother, you mean to say they will not, under the circumstances, come on?
Well, that's what I was surprised about.
I had to decide a day, so, you know, either I go or not.
So I told her we would go ahead and go and I'm really starting to feel uncomfortable
again about doing this.
My daughters are 12 and 14 and they're quite uncomfortable about the thought of getting
on a plane at this time, which I am myself.
You know though, their whole plan apparently, since they haven't said anything else about
why they did all this to us, what they expected to achieve is to scare us.
And I've flown all my life and I'm still here and I have a feeling if you fly, you're going
to get a little inconvenience because it's going to be a whole lot of security.
But maybe you ought to just go ahead and fly.
Don't let them beat you.
The whole point is, if they scare us out of the air, then they succeed.
If they take away our rights and freedoms, they succeed.
Or if they cause us to take away our own, really.
That is so true.
I agree.
I did go to a church service at the church I've attended for 15 years, Calvary Chapel, here in Albuquerque.
And the church was just jam-packed.
And Pastor Skip said he hadn't seen Well, people need and want something to turn to in a moment where it seems there are no other answers and so the church is an obvious place.
And with as many people that were there when the service went out, normally you can hear elevated voices and people chit-chatting and having a good time and there was very little chatter.
With all the people that were there.
Instead there is quiet, right?
Yes.
When I first entered the church, there was the praise and worship songs going on.
I felt like I was at a memorial service.
Growing up Catholic, I've been to many rosaries and memorial services.
When I looked up toward the pastor, I almost felt like I was going to see a coffin or something.
I had that same feeling that I've had over the years since I was a child when I've gone to, you know, a memorial service or a rosary.
There's a profound change.
We're never going to be quite the same.
No.
We're going to, I hope, still be the home of the brave and the free and all the rest of it.
But something has profoundly changed.
That's just the way it is.
Listen, I've got to run.
Thank you very much.
Alright, thank you very much and have a good morning.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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