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Aug. 3, 2001 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Ed Dames - Remote Viewing
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KDWN Las Vegas See you all!
you From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, or good afternoon, wherever you may be across the great cosmos.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM on a Friday night, Saturday morning, end of the week, albeit a somewhat short one for me.
Howdy, everybody.
Well, I've got a big announcement for you coming up shortly.
It's going to be a night of big announcements.
As a matter of fact, in the next hour, Ed Deems is going to be here.
He's going to be talking, among other things, about the Chandra Levy Investigation and what he has found out with reference to last night's show and the Bigfoot caller I have attempted Made several calls to Robert W Morgan thus far without success Knowing that time was of the essence.
I have turned it over to another Investigator so it's not just sitting idly by there is a contact being made right now and And I will let you know what occurs, whether it was a hoax, the real thing, whether there's a 700-pound Bigfoot waiting somewhere at the bottom of a bomb shelter in Michigan or not.
We'll know soon.
On another quick type note thing for you here, the story about Cuba, I can't give you any details.
All I could, as you know, This underwater city off the coast of Cuba was a big, big story for us just a little while ago now.
I'm here tonight to tell you that I have inside information and about the only extent of it that I can relate to you is that it has legs.
This story is real.
This comes from inside information.
I wish I could tell you more.
I'm sworn To some silence right now for reasons that you would understand if you could hear them, but the story about Cuba is real.
There is, in fact, an underwater city that may be Atlantis off the coast of Cuba.
I repeat, I have good, very reliable sources that tell me this story is absolutely real and you can hear the mouths snapping shut Just all across the hemisphere about that story right now, but I'm here to report to you tonight That it's real and when it breaks, it's gonna break in the mainstream media in a really really big way And that's that's all I can say, but I wanted to say at least that much All right, what about what's about to happen here is really really really important to me for a lot of personal reasons and
It's kind of an interesting milestone, to say the least.
But I'm going to read you a list tonight of new affiliates that join as of tonight, or have joined in the last couple of days.
They are, prepare yourself, as follows.
I would like to welcome KFGO in Fargo, North Dakota.
They're 790 on the dial.
K-F-Y-R in Bismarck, North Dakota.
5.50 on the dial there.
Welcome to the network.
K-M-A-N-A-M in Manhattan, Kansas.
13.50 on the dial.
Welcome.
K-M-Z-C-F-M in Winfield, Texas.
94.3 on the FM dial.
Welcome.
K-O-K-P-A-M in Perry, Oklahoma.
10.20 on the dial.
Welcome to the network and this strange program.
KRLN in Cannon City, Colorado.
1,400 on the dial.
Welcome.
KWFS-AM in Wichita Falls, Texas.
1,290 on the dial.
Welcome.
KWTX-AM in Waco, Texas.
1,230 on the dial.
Welcome.
WCCF-AM in Punta Gorda, Florida.
1,580 on the dial.
Welcome to you.
W-E-A-V-A-M in Plattsburg, Vermont.
960 on the dial.
Welcome to you.
W-X-Z-O in Colchester, Vermont.
96.7 on the dial.
Welcome.
WFMN in Flora, Mississippi.
97.3 on the dial.
Welcome.
WHQO FM in Shehogan, Maine.
They'd be 107.9 on the FM dial.
Welcome.
WOWO in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
The big one in Fort Wayne.
Make that 11.90 on the dial.
Welcome.
W-S-I-C-A-M in Statesville, North Carolina.
1400 on the dial in my birth state.
Welcome.
W-S-Y-B-A-M in Rutland, Vermont.
1380 on the dial.
Welcome.
W-G-N-S-A-M in Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
1450 on the dial in Murfreesboro.
Welcome.
Let's see.
W-D-X-Y-A-M in Sumter, South Carolina.
1240 on the dial.
Welcome to the program.
W-D-K-D-A-M in Kingstree, South Carolina.
1310 on the dial.
Welcome to the program.
W-G-A-I-A-M in Elizabeth City, North Carolina.
Genmai, birth state.
560 on the dial.
Welcome to the program.
W-S-P-C-A-M in Auburn, uh, I'm never gonna get this right.
Auburn Marie, is it?
A-O-B-E-R M-A-R-L-E.
Auburn, North Carolina.
My birth state, I don't know how to say it.
10-10 on the dial.
Welcome.
W-V-F-C-A-M in Cortez, Colorado.
7-40 on the dial.
Welcome to the network and the program.
W-C-M-T-A-M in Martin, Tennessee.
14-10 on the dial.
Welcome to the program.
W-K-C-Y-A-M in Harrisonburg, Virginia, 1300 on the dial.
Welcome W-T-N-T-A-M in Tallahassee, Florida.
Make that F-M.
It's gotta be FM at 94.9, right?
It's gotta be FM.
WSFC AM in Somerset, Kentucky.
790 on the dial.
Welcome.
And WGAU AM in Athens, Georgia.
There, 1340 on the dial.
Welcome to Coast to Coast AM.
Now at 500 official on-air affiliates.
We've done it!
This is kind of like the end of a fireworks display, you know, when you get the big final volley.
Well, that was the final volley to get to 500 folks.
And this time I've chosen not to have some big celebration when, you know, everybody comes forward from the network and the stars and, you know, everybody says congratulations and all of that, even though it's a gigantic mark.
I thought I would just share it with you and announce it as we just have on the air.
It's a big deal to me.
And I guess it's because, well, first of all, for long-form shows, in other words, not the short reports like Paul Harvey, for example, but for long-form shows that are several hours at least in duration, three hours at least, We now, I think, would be the second largest show in America from an affiliate point of view.
Next only to Rush Limbaugh.
And I think we're chasing his numbers pretty hard right now.
But we are officially at 500... unofficially at 512 affiliates.
We don't count an official affiliate until we have contract in hand and they're actually on the air.
So...
I don't know.
It's a big deal to me.
And last time I was on the air, before I retired, I was nearing the 500 mark.
And since I've come back, we have now finally, after all these years, actually made 500 mark.
And I can remember when I was 12 years old, mowing lawns to get my first ham gear, my amateur radio gear.
So I could get on the air.
From about that moment, even earlier really, in through getting my commercial licenses, then hanging around radio stations.
Until I probably was going to have rocks thrown at me.
I mean, I really used to hang around.
And I soaked it all in.
I learned as much as I could.
I watched everyone, the engineers.
I'd bum around with the engineers trying to get information and knowledge.
And then I'd bum around with the on-the-air people trying to figure out what they were doing.
And through an engineering career and then an on-air career and all these years, I always only could imagine and dream what it would be like to be on just one big radio station, the one near me, WABC in New York, was what I grew up.
I cut my teeth on WABC in New York and followed them as I moved around in the Northeast from, you know, the Northeast from Connecticut to New Jersey to Maryland.
It was always there.
WABC went where I went and So I dreamed.
I dreamed that someday, you know, I would achieve that, at that time, that monstrous, impossible goal of being on one large radio station of the caliber, say, of WABC, WLS, KFI in Los Angeles, you know, the caliber, really big caliber.
And I thought that would be the culmination of a career, to achieve that.
Well, here I am.
With 500 radio stations carrying the program.
It is astounding to me.
I don't think about it a lot.
I've kind of had my fingers crossed.
I've been knocking on wood and hoping that we would make this 500 mark.
And we have.
And so it's kind of a big night for me, in a way.
It's, uh, overachieving one's dream.
I never in a billion years dreamed that we could be on 500 radio stations, and here we are.
Absolutely amazing.
So I'd like to congratulate, uh, everybody concerned, and there are so many people, obviously, that I could name and should name.
Uh, so many people at, uh, Premier.
So many people in Oregon.
Uh, Alan Corbett, the fellow I work for.
Alan, Has been at my side through all of this and it's quite a bit to have been through as a matter of fact, but he's been there the whole time and I did it would not have happened without Alan Corbis and of course our own affiliate department and Everybody else that that works up in Oregon and of course in Los Angeles at premier it's just it's been you know, you hear this all the time when people accept awards and
At the Emmys and so forth, you know, I'll never be able to get thank everybody and I never will be able to thank everybody And so it's hard to even begin Craig Kitchen certainly for bearing with me through some pretty difficult times We've had some we've had some wild times both Will and Steve who are in the affiliate department and came up with a lot of these affiliates and And the whole support staff up there and everybody again at Premiere.
It's quite a big deal.
500 radio stations.
Now, what I'm going to have to do is work to dismiss the fact from my mind.
Because when I realize so many of you are out there, I get nervous.
I still get nervous.
And the only way I can really do the show is to forget about all that baloney.
And it's not really baloney, but I just have to dismiss it from my mind.
The number of people, the cities, and all the rest of it.
I get the heebie-jeebies when I begin thinking about it, and I do my best radio when I don't.
Nevertheless, I had to call your attention to this milestone, and it's a gigantic milestone.
It really is a monstrous milestone.
And so, thank you all, and all of you obviously out in the audience.
How can I forget you?
You got me here.
Thank you very, very much.
It's been a pleasure all these years to, uh, have been by your side.
Sporadic as it may have been at times.
As you know, I love what I do, and so, 500's a biggie for me.
Congratulations to everybody, everybody's name I didn't mention, and certainly the entire audience can pat itself on the back, too.
I mean, 500 radio stations!
Good Lord!
So, Enough of that.
I, uh, I thought I would do it this way as opposed to the big whoop-dee-doo way, and we held the, uh, big surprise of all these radio stations coming on until the last moment.
Well, alright, uh, let's turn our attention to something that will remove my mind from how many people are out there.
It's a great way to get the heebie-jeebies and lockjaw.
Giant flood channels uncovered on Mars.
Next week, I'm going to have Richard C. Hoagland here, and he's going to talk about this and a lot more.
The largest... This is on CNN's website, by the way, as of tonight.
The largest valley system in the solar system, discovered underneath layers of hardened lava, ash and dust on Mars, could have delivered enough water to fill an ocean within a matter of weeks, according to scientists.
Dwarfing, anything here on Earth, The flood channels were spotted by a satellite in Mars orbit that can peer with a laser instrument underneath the planet's surface.
Ta-da!
The network of gorges situated in the Western Hemisphere became a giant volcano, and the possible remnants of an ocean is ten times larger than its nearest rival on the Red Planet, according to researchers.
Cataclysmic floods that at times unleashed 50,000 times the flow of the Amazon River most likely formed the outflow system which boasts individual channels as wide as 125 miles, according to scientists.
After picking the complex geologic picture apart like a jigsaw puzzle, we think there must have been several episodes of volcanic heating creating catastrophic floods, according to James Dome of the University of Arizona at Tucson this week.
Such discharges could have filled an ocean three times the size of the Mediterranean in less than two months.
Can you imagine that?
So as we imagine what might have been on Mars, and we see there was this incredible flow of water, just an astounding flow of water, then it's really not too hard to imagine then, possibly even as now, there is life on Mars.
Right?
And speaking of life, a team of international researchers said last Tuesday, and I missed this because I wasn't here, they found what could be the first proof of life beyond our planet, clumps of extraterrestrial bacteria in the Earth's upper atmosphere.
Although the bugs from space are similar to bacteria here on Earth, the scientists said that the living cells found in samples of air from the edge of the planet's atmosphere are far too far away to have possibly come from Earth.
There is now unambiguous evidence for the presence of clumps living as 41 kilometers, 25 miles, well above the local troposphere,
16 kilometers up, above which no air from lower down would normally ever be
transported.
So in other words, they found life even above our own planet where there should be no life.
So life would appear to be, whether it's at the bottom of our ocean near volcanic venting,
it's in the atmosphere so high it could not have come from Earth.
Or it's from Mars.
Life would seem to be a common thing.
And if life is a common thing, then the probability of intelligent life, life that has equaled or certainly easily surpassed our level of technological development, is even a greater probability than ever.
And I think the only question is, when we are going to finally discover that It's all true.
That we're not alone.
How do you feel about that?
What do you think the impact would be for the human race of finding out, truly, concretely, without question, that we are not alone?
It's going to be... It's going to be something, isn't it?
Well, the probability of that now, in my mind, is almost 100%.
It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when we find out.
And what discovery finally nails it?
Now, there also was some analysts who looked at dirt samples that were analyzed on Mars and gave off a gas which is fairly controversial, but some are saying it absolutely proves the existence of microorganisms right now on Mars.
Other scientists say, Balderdash, there was some sort of a contamination or something or another.
But it, I'm telling you folks, it looks very much like the announcement may not be far down the road.
There's life out there.
It's only a matter of when we acknowledge it, or perhaps when it comes to meet us.
From the high desert, now with 500 affiliates on the air, this It's Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell.
Good morning!
That's right.
Let me plug that international line.
If you're out there in the world somewhere, be sure to try and give it a shot.
It's 800-893-0903.
We've got the codes on the website.
By the way, we've also got a graphic in celebration of 500 affiliates.
I can hardly believe it.
500 affiliates.
Holy mackerel.
By the way, I'm kind of hung up on this song.
Can you tell?
500 affiliates.
I don't know.
Hardly sunk in.
But it's certainly absolutely true.
Good morning.
Lots to do tonight.
Stay right where you are.
I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
I got the following email that I thought really, really was interesting.
Hi Art, brief thing here.
I'm a bit of a weather geek, and I enjoy looking at all of the Storm Prediction Center models, raw forecast data and so forth.
Being an English grad student, I don't understand quite all of it.
My meteorologist roommate from undergrad helps, but I do what I can, so of course I picked up a NOAA weather radio.
It's been about five years that I've been around them, since my parents got one a bit back.
Where I am now, they test the radios on Wednesdays with a test pulse.
If you have one of these NOAA weather radios, you know.
Wednesdays are my day off, and I'm a bit nocturnal.
So a 10.30 to 10.45 a.m.
wake-up siren is a bit scary.
I've turned it off the last few weeks.
Damn this thing, though.
I still wake up at 10.30 to 10.45 on Wednesdays, always after a nightmare of a storm hitting me.
Is it possible?
That my brain can pick up the pulse that Noah sends out like a learned behavior associated with weather and the radio.
Thought I'd mention it.
You'd appreciate this more than most people I know.
Yes, it's true.
There are two schools of thought.
I would imagine the first somewhat more likely, and that is that your brain is trained to wake up at that time.
You trained it by listening to that siren go off week after week after week.
The other possibility, of course, is that you are directly picking up the NOAA alert signal with your brain.
I would give less credibility to that possibility, but one never knows.
First time caller on the line would have been on the air.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Yes, good morning, Art.
This is David from Miami.
Hello, David.
How is Yeti?
Yeti is absolutely spectacular.
He is...
Uh, he's unbelievable.
He's all kitten even though he's gigantic.
This is the biggest cat you ever saw.
And how old is he?
Uh, Yeti now is about... we think.
Now remember, this is a cat that came crawling into our yard.
Was about one inch thick.
I mean the thinnest cat I ever saw in my life.
But gigantic.
I mean gangly.
Really, really big!
Yeti was gigantic.
And...
So, guesstimating his age for the vet was very difficult, but we're going to guess that he's presently about 11 months old.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Art Bell.
Congratulations.
You know who this is?
It's Kathy from Woodbridge.
Kathy from Woodbridge, yes.
Oh, I'm so glad.
I didn't think...
I wasn't surprised.
And we're going to have to shoot for 600.
Because, you know, next week when you come on, you're going to be adding stations.
Oh, yes.
As a matter of fact, unofficially, we're actually at 512.
So presently, we're chasing rush, actually.
No sweat.
No sweat.
We're going to do it.
This is to be congratulated to all of us, because we're behind you 100%.
Well, Kath, it is a big deal for me.
And of course, the station you're listening to, WABC, is really, it's in my heart.
Art, I gotta ask you something.
I've been watching the earthquakes for Nevada and California.
I know, a little worse.
And so is Drudge.
Yeah, pretty worse.
I wanna ask you something.
Did you ever feel any more tremors or any quakes since that last one that you and Ramona felt for the first time?
No.
Nothing?
No, no, no.
The last one we felt was 7.3 and it scared the you-know-what out of us.
Yeah, I know, exactly, yeah.
But every time I see these things, I see how close they might be to the border and where you're lined up with Pahrump.
But I still have no idea if you're feeling them, you know?
No, I have not felt one.
They've been north of us, south of us.
Las Vegas has felt them, but here in Pahrump, I have not.
Okay, and I always say, Lynn says hello, and we think you're looking younger.
The latest pictures, the last, like, six months or so, and when we even saw you on NBC.
You know, a lot of people said that to me.
Younger, yeah.
There may be a reason for it.
We know what you're taking, but whatever you're doing, you know, Don, well, I wrote you.
I hope your back gets better, and we are sending you positive thoughts, whether you like them or not.
They're coming towards you.
We're zooming in on your back, and we're going to do that.
I love it.
Thanks, Kathy.
God bless Art.
Right.
That's Kathy back in Woodbridge, New Jersey.
So, yeah, I am.
I am looking a little younger, I think, despite my back, which is About 100 years old.
Maybe 150.
The rest of me seems to be pretty well preserved.
I don't know why.
Maybe it's HGH.
Certainly, I probably ought to give credit where credit is due.
Anyway, back to the lines.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello?
Yeah, Steven Phoenix.
Hello, Steve.
You had a guest on a while back, Home Power Magazine or something like that.
Yes.
And he was saying something about solar.
Um, hot water heaters.
Yes, by the way, if you will take a look at my webcam photo for tonight, you will see my very proud gorilla solar t-shirt on.
I was just curious, it seems to me that he said that those reach or exceed the boiling point?
Ah, that's what he said, yes.
Why couldn't you run that off of a steam electric generator and run it off to your battery pack?
You probably could.
I was just curious when he was saying that, and I haven't seen you because you're back in three cents.
Right.
There are some people working on exactly that right now.
I don't know how far along it is, but it makes absolute sense to me, as it apparently does to you.
Okey-doke.
Okay, thanks very much.
And one other thing.
Who are you having on later this evening?
Ed Dames.
Ed Dames.
Major Ed.
Did you ask him about my daughter Wendy, who he spoke to last time, and the Shadow People?
We'll roll over the Shadow People thing again.
And see if there's any asteroids in our future.
I asked at the end of the show and caught up with him with email.
All right, I'll see what I can find out.
All right, take care.
I'll see what I can find out.
Did you all see the meteor that came down in the trailer park?
That was pretty interesting.
It fortunately, very fortuitously, came down, bounced off several of the power Poles in the trailer park and was just laying there on the ground a great big black meteor Actually, it was almost big enough to be something bigger than a meteor, but that's luck Wouldn't you love to find one of those lying outside?
Yes, indeed outside first time caller line.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Oh Hi, this is Leonard up in North St.
Paul, Minnesota.
Hey Leonard.
How you doing tonight fine?
Yeah, I don't have a computer And I'd like to send you something.
I was calling to get a mailing address on you.
Okay.
You ready?
Hand in hand.
It is Art Bell, of course.
P.O.
Box.
Do you have one that's not a P.O.
Box?
No.
Not that I can give out on the air.
Because I heard you the other night talking about something that you could send to a different address and you could receive it there.
No, you can send it to my network, of course.
I can do that.
But if you send it to my P.O.
Box, it comes here to Pahrump.
Well, it's a small package.
Would they accept it there?
Of course.
Okay.
Go ahead and shoot.
Okay, PO Box 4755.
4755.
Uh-huh.
In Pahrump, P-A-H-R-U-M-P.
Uh-huh.
Nevada, 89048.
89048.
Uh-huh.
Alrighty.
Uh-huh. In Pahrump, P-A-H-R-U-M-P.
Uh-huh.
Nevada, 89048.
89048.
Uh-huh.
All righty.
I will look for it.
Be looking about next Thursday or Friday, and your back problems will be over soon.
All right, my friend.
Thank you.
Take care.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Art.
I wanted to congratulate you first on your 500 stations there.
That's pretty fantastic.
That is pretty cool.
It is.
Listen, I had two questions for you.
One, I was in the process of moving from New Jersey back to Arizona.
I had spoken to you about the UFO crash in Kingman area.
And during the move, you were talking about that incident up in Antarctica.
Oh, yes.
What was the outcome of that?
I had missed that completely.
Down in Antarctica, actually.
Right, right.
Would you turn your radio off for me, please?
Sure, I'm sorry.
Thank you.
That's... Okay.
All right.
Now...
We... Mao's, like they did with Cuba in the Antarctic, Mao's snapped shut about what happened down there.
And we don't really know what the final story is.
I have my own view of what I think happened.
I'll tell you what I think happened, as a matter of fact.
It's just my opinion.
Right.
I think there was a fight down in the Antarctic.
I mean, a real knockdown fistfight kind of brawl that went on down there.
That's what I think.
There are other Intriguing stories going around right now about perhaps a find they've made down in the Arctic.
But those are, those are rumors.
The photographs that I've got, and I do have photographs, would seem to bear out the probability of a serious fight.
And that's why nobody wanted to talk about it.
Now, this would involve nuclear radiation?
Uh, no.
No, no, no, no.
It does not.
Okay.
And the shipload of equipment that was sent over?
Well, that may or may not relate to the rumor about a find down there.
Okay.
So that was pretty much just left up in the air?
Left up in the air, but something's going on.
The other question was the underground base in Dulce.
Do you have any or have you had any guests that have spoken about that?
On my trip out here, I spent a month in New Mexico and visited a lot of these areas.
Dattle, the VLA, I saw a lot of strange things in Dulce.
Things that were out of place.
Like what?
The same clandestine vehicle the security uses in Area 51 were in Dulce.
up around Los Alamos and Dulce. I saw a lot of strange things in Dulce, things that were
out of place. Like what? The same clandestine vehicle the security uses in Area 51 were
in Dulce. This beautiful hotel in Dulce, which did not match the surroundings. Well, unless
I get some sort of informant on the radio, and you can't ever rule that possibility out.
Right.
About our best shot might be to ask Ed Dames about it.
Yeah.
One night I was in the hotel, and I saw two of these pickup trucks.
And that's all it was there.
It was modern pickup trucks with fellows in camouflaged outfits.
Do you happen to know if it was Wackenhut security?
There's no way to tell.
They provided the lion's share of the security up at Area 51.
Right.
These were the identical pickup trucks.
I must have seen at least a dozen of them.
They were either white or red.
They all had either Utah or New Mexico license plates.
And every single one of these trucks had fellows in camouflaged gear with no military insignias on them.
Perhaps you'd be wanting to volunteer to infiltrate Dulcey Forreston.
No, thank you.
No, no.
All right, then I'm going to put the question to Ed Dames.
If you're not going to volunteer to infiltrate or storm the base, we'll just, we'll have to take that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
If I push this up, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi, congratulations on the big 500.
Thank you.
I was just thinking about that Mars thing.
About all the water and stuff you were talking about.
Wouldn't it be great how we're finding like ice men and stuff down here from like a thousand years ago?
Wouldn't it be great if we found, if they found things up there somewhere?
Well, here's one way of thinking about it.
If life is a common thing, and that's what I was trying to preach before the bottom of the hour, and I think it absolutely is, then life could well have been a common thing before modern man arrived, long before modern man arrived.
Right?
Right.
Life may have come and may have gone several times on this planet.
Yeah.
Cities may have disappeared underwater, as we're about to find out with respect to Cuba and elsewhere.
I think we're going to make all kinds of discoveries that are going to make us question a lot about our own origins.
It's a beautiful thing, isn't it?
Isn't it?
If you can handle it, it is.
All right, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Take care.
Oh, all right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello.
Going once, going twice, gone.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Yes.
Hello.
Um, good show last night.
Thank you.
Um, just, uh, wanted to ask if it would be at all possible or if you've ever thought about having Robert Butz on.
Robert Butz?
I've never had him on.
Well, who is he?
He's Jane Roberts' husband.
Okay.
Yeah, you know who Jane Roberts is.
And what does he talk about?
The same thing she was talking about last night, Schlitz.
Okay.
And he is... They have just opened a wing in Yale University for all her work.
Well, if you would be so kind as to send me something that would help contact them one way or the other, I'll pursue it.
Okay, I'll do that.
Alright, thank you very much.
That's what it takes, folks.
Always want to take an opportunity like this one with what that gentleman just laid out to tell you.
If you have an idea for a guest, the more information you can provide me, contact numbers, publishers, anything that you can give me that will help lead me down the course of finding the person that you want on is going to give you a much better chance of hearing them ultimately.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air, good morning!
Hey, Art.
Yes, sir.
Turn your radio off, please.
I already did.
This is Infamous John in Gainesville, Florida.
Yes, sir.
Uh, here's a guest idea.
Uh, you'd have to record this because he probably goes to bed early.
Les Paul.
Les Paul?
Yes, Les Paul.
He's still alive.
He's still doing gigs in New York.
But I believe he goes to bed early, sir, to have it feel like an afternoon interview that you tape.
Well, I've done it before.
Okay.
Uh, also, On the earthquakes, have you watched your cats for earthquakes that you might not feel, but they might feel?
Well, it's kind of hard to tell with a cat, because, you know, half the time, they're so weird, they'll take off for no reason and go rocketing across the house.
Sometimes running into my studio, they get up behind my equipment, knock wires off, and They do this for no apparent reason.
Uh-huh.
So, I don't know about my, but I will tell you this.
A man who I've been in touch with for probably 13 years now, who monitors a well near Ventura, California, for radon levels, is now predicting an earthquake for the San Francisco area, and I'm not going to even give the magnitude, because it's pretty big, within the next week.
Now, It may be something, or it may be nothing.
It's one person's prediction.
Yeah, the animals, though, can sense them earlier.
That's absolutely correct.
Horses, dogs, etc.
It's just, how do you figure out if it's, you know, does this particular weirdness have earthquake written all over it, you know?
Or is it just being weird?
That's right.
Otherwise, you'd be under a door sill, you know, 18 hours a day or something.
You watch my cats.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
My name's Andy, and I'm from Ellensburg, Washington.
Yes, sir.
I know exactly where that is.
Yes, I've heard quite a few shows where you've talked about it.
Not far from Mel's Hole.
No, not far at all.
That's right.
It figures that I'd be getting on towards the top of the hour when I got good stuff to talk about.
Okay, well, spit her out.
When are you going to have another Ghost to Ghost?
That's a good question, and I would think very, very soon.
Oh, good, because I got some good ghost stuff for you.
Do you now?
Yeah, stuff from growing up in Seattle.
Lots of things happened when I was a kid.
Well, a lot of things happened to me, too, but none of them were ghosts.
Oh.
I've experienced more along that line, frankly, since I've been doing this program, than when I was a child.
Still there?
Yeah.
Yeah, um, I heard you talk about the time that you heard a loud bang on the door.
Oh, God.
That was horrible.
I mean, that was not just a loud bang.
Have you seen the movies where the door bends inward?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Alright, well, it was that kind of... I wouldn't call it a knock.
I would call it... I would call it more like a battering ram at my door.
I mean, it was... Boom!
Like that, on my door.
It just scared the you-know-what out of me.
Yeah, I can imagine it would be a little tough to finish the show.
But again, that's, yeah, it was.
But again, that's, you know, that's been as an adult and more since I've been doing this show.
And you know what I think?
Hmm?
I think that my dealing with all of these topics Is what's brought it on.
You think you've invited it?
Yeah, absolutely.
Sure.
I think about these things intensely.
I have guests who talk about these things.
It builds to a point in my mind where it's absolutely real.
And I think these may be the precursors that invite this sort of thing into your life.
I really believe that's true.
Wow.
Can you imagine being a kid of about five years old like I was when I saw something?
You spent a lot of time under the covers.
Yes.
All right, sir.
Listen, I gotta run.
We're at a break point here.
All right.
Well, thanks, Art.
All right.
Take care.
Coming up at the top of the hour, after the news, Major Ed Dames.
He is affectionately known by most, if not all, in the remote-viewing world as Dr. Doom, with good cause.
A lot of news tonight from Dr. Doom.
We're going to be asking about Chandra Levy, among other things.
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Ed Dames will be with us, Major Ed Dames.
Uh, Dr. Doom, if you will.
He's gonna be doing some pretty good work here.
He'll tell us all about Chandra Levy.
What he can, that is.
And, uh, a whole lot more.
Coming right up.
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Major Ed Dames has been a guest on this program for, you know, I don't know how many years now.
A whole lot of years.
And, uh, he's a very controversial character.
There's no question about it.
As many people get angry with him, uh, as love him.
But all seemed to listen.
And he's a remote viewer.
Major Ed Dames was in the original military remote viewing program that ran for 20 years in the United States, funded with 20 million dollars of black money.
And then purportedly ended after 20 years.
Ed Dames then went into the private sector and began remote viewing professionally.
He also does a lot of pro bono work, by the way, and you're going to hear about some of that tonight.
Ed Dames is the real McCoy.
There's no question about it.
I have been over whatever people may say about Ed.
I've been over his military record, his entire military record, which he sent me in great detail, and he has done exactly what he has said he has done.
And he's the real thing.
That's all I can tell you.
Now, he's received the nickname Dr. Doom for a good reason.
He talks about things that other remote viewers don't seem to want to talk about.
Now, let me qualify that a little bit.
That doesn't mean other remote viewers have not seen the same things that Ed Dames has seen, because they have.
As a matter of fact, I've interviewed in recent days some of the nation's top remote viewers, and when actually pinned down, They admit that they've seen things that they wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole.
Things like Ed Dames has seen.
They just don't talk about it.
Ed does.
That's the real difference.
But an awful lot of the remote viewers that I've interviewed lately will allude to the fact that they've seen some of the same things.
They just haven't talked about them.
Ladies and gentlemen, from Hawaii, here's Major Ed Dames.
Ed, welcome back.
Hi.
Let me take my rose-colored glasses off.
How many years, Ed, have we... Four years.
Four years now, huh?
A long time.
A lot of shows.
Anyway, welcome back to the program.
Great to have you.
Thank you.
I knew you when you had a good back.
Yeah, remember that.
Listen.
I know that a lot of people are going to be waiting for what you have to say about Ashandra Levy, but before we get to that, in the last couple of nights, I had Sylvia Brown on, who is one of the greatest psychics in the world.
Last night, the person who directs Noetic Sciences.
Both of them, both nights, we talked about remote viewing, and interestingly, the first night was Sylvia Brown.
I asked her, look Sylvia, straight out, what you're doing.
You call yourself a psychic.
She doesn't really like the word.
I said, isn't what you're doing really remote viewing?
And she said, absolutely.
I wouldn't deny it.
Sure it is.
So, I don't know, there's kind of an interesting mix there, and I thought I would get you to, you know, I did bring up the fact that the remote, military remote viewers, the past ones, probably would object, saying, well, not really.
That it's, you know, there are protocols, very careful protocols have been applied and are used, unlike a straight psychic.
But basically, is she dealing in the same realm that you're dealing in?
No.
Is the information coming from roughly the same place, in other words?
It's coming from the same place, but in a different modality, Art.
Right.
Quite different, as a matter of fact.
For instance, psychics, natural psychics, can sometimes do things that a remote viewer cannot.
For instance, a psychic won't get a glimpse, a visual glimpse, of a newspaper date or a license plate number.
And we cannot do that as technical remote viewers.
That's something that is not within... Oh, that's interesting, Ed.
If you can cause somebody to sketch, just as an example, the Eiffel Tower, that your subject is standing next to the Eiffel Tower, you're sketching a thing, right?
Correct.
A shape, a thing.
And if you can do that, then why can't it be refined down to a license plate?
It can be until the point is reached where the remote viewer realizes that they're sketching a number Or a letter.
Once that point is reached, they slip into a left brain mode and they begin to compare and analyze.
This looks like a four.
Or this looks like the letter S. Really?
Isn't that interesting?
That's right.
And once that begins to happen, you lose your target.
Why?
Because remote viewing takes... I'm going to use the left brain, right brain model.
That's not to say that it's correct, but it's a good model for working purposes and certainly for training.
When you're right-braining something, like artists do, when they're creating, they're downloading directly from their unconscious mind some work of art, or when a musician is doing the same, especially if you're teaching improv, an improv musician, they're directly connected to their unconscious, and they've been trained in a certain way, their body has been trained to do a certain thing, a skill, The skill now forms the template that's filled by this unconscious knowledge.
Attention is turned toward a certain thing, like producing a work of visual art or music, and now the skill is fleshed out.
But once you start to think about the work, the thinking process is engaged, you slip into the left brain analytical mode.
where you start to compare and analyze.
And once you do that, you are no longer at this other remote location.
Your mind's not really going anywhere.
You're just turning your attention to this other particular pattern of information.
But once you start to compare, you're now in a different processing mode.
That's why.
Fascinating.
But again, the psychic and the remote viewer are plucking their information from the same well, so to
speak, right?
Yes, that's correct.
In fact, the psi phenomena in general, the psi well, the matrix, as we coined the term years ago, the collective unconscious, that's the well.
We're all getting the information from the same place, but in a very different fashion.
And a trained remote viewer You'll see a very good example in an upcoming Fox TV special where the cameras were in my classroom for about a week, watching us work.
You'll see what we can do.
We can do something that no natural psychic can do consistently.
We can guarantee that we'll not only be on target, but we can identify the target.
And no natural psychic can do that consistently.
When a natural psychic is on target, they're really on.
But when they're off, they're really off.
And when I train people in technical remote viewing, I train them to be on target every single time, and to make sure that their data is at least 80% accurate.
All right, try this one out.
A natural psychic many times, for example, working with the police, you'll see it in movies, unless it's a baloney, I don't think it is, will request, for example, for a missing person, An article of that person's clothing or something that was familiar to them to hold, to help them get hold of the right information channel, I guess is the way to put it.
I don't know.
There's no equivalent for that in remote viewing, is there?
There is.
Oh, there is?
There is.
There is an equivalent.
And the equivalent is that we simply turn our attention to... The natural psychic wants some type of a connection.
They think they're picking up vibrations from this material or this thing that was touched by either the murderer or the victim, but they're not.
What is actually happening, and I know this empirically for having done it 18 years on real world cases, what's happening is that piece of clothing or that object is servicing, it is acting as a focal point.
It's connected with the patterns, the pattern of information that surrounds the circumstances in terms of movement and form and function that are related to the crime.
So it just becomes a focal point and they bounce off from there and your attention is held by psychometrizing this particular object.
How?
No, it's not.
It's not hard to find at all.
In other words, a murder is a very dramatic, violent thing, usually.
And unless it's some sort of slow poison, otherwise it's quite dramatic and usually quite violent.
Is it a big spike to be looked at?
Is it hard to find?
No, it's not.
It's not hard to find at all.
It the trick is knowing, knowing how to use your mind so that you can turn your attention.
Actually, knowing how to use your brain so that you can turn your attention to the event that you really want.
We go into a problem as professionals with no preconceived notions about the crime.
If you tell me, for instance, that a friend of yours has been murdered and you would like me to remote view that murder, I I would do that for you, but I do not necessarily assume that your friend was murdered.
It could have been an accident, it could have been any number of different things.
Sure.
The murderer could be a group of, who knows, hyenas, people, or one person, anything.
So it's our job to sort that out, but we have to know where to turn our attention, and it's very important.
We want to make sure that we're on that specific target.
In what manner do you receive the information?
In other words, do you see the equivalent of a still... Let's just take an example, alright?
A perpetrator A smashes a victim A in the head with a baseball bat and crushes skull.
Very violent.
Perpetrator A smashes victim B. Yeah, whatever.
And so... Yeah, maybe A and B, double murder.
So...
In what manner do you see this?
Do you actually see it as we would see a sort of television presentation in front of us of the murder?
Do you actually see the murder occur?
Do you simply receive information about it in a text form?
How do you come up with the answers, in other words?
Well, first we're going to focus on one specific piece of the puzzle and use that as an anchor point.
In most cases, we'll look at the B, the victim's death.
We want to look at the victim's death first.
To ascertain if it really was a murder.
So in other words, you're looking at the status of the victim.
No, we're going to actually turn our attention to that point in time where the victim died.
We want to remote view The circumstances connected with the victim's death first.
Okay.
That's the logic train that we... Okay, and so in what manner specifically do you receive the information?
Do you actually see something, Ed, or is it just information that comes to you as an epiphany of some sort?
It's very much... Well, there is an epiphany that happens, and it happens in the following manner.
When we remote view, The way that people are taught, and it's a rigorous process, we do it the same way, whether we're looking for a murder victim or a stolen nuclear weapon, it's as if you're collecting pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.
Let's say you have a thousand-piece jigsaw puzzle, but you don't have the pieces yet.
Right?
And this jigsaw puzzle, in this particular example, this hypothetical example in front of us now, is how did B, victim B, die?
So, we're looking at the death of B, and we put our pen on paper and we go through some rigorous protocols.
And those protocols are designed to keep our imagination off to the side and to recognize when it's working.
Right.
To keep our ego out of the picture, because the ego wants to draw a conclusion of its own all the time.
Right.
The mind is very fallible.
We want to be right on the target and get only the information that pertains to that specific event.
Okay?
As we go through these protocols that take about 45 minutes, We're very attentive and we're collecting pieces of this jigsaw puzzle.
We're not fitting them together, we're just collecting the pieces in terms of labels, ideas.
The ideas come into our mind.
Okay, so there's no word that's attached to these ideas as they come into our brain from mind, right?
But you need to quantify them in some way.
Yes, what happens is we search automatically our memory to look for a label for that specific word.
Let's say the word is a knife.
Okay, okay.
The concept of a knife exists as a symbol, as an archetype.
Right.
In the collective unconscious.
Right.
Now this is part of our attention that's turned toward this event where a knife is involved and it's an important part of the event.
Now we have the idea of knife in our brain.
as an electrical signal, but we need a label for it in order to make it useful.
So we search automatically in our experiences something that is a one-to-one match with
this thing that has no word label yet.
When we find the label knife, then that goes down on the paper and the next subsequent
amount of data comes in.
This whole process is adjudicated by our unconscious mind.
The unconscious mind develops the strategy, the best way to solve the problem.
It's the master problem solver.
So we collect, in 45 minutes worth of work, we collect a bunch of pieces to the puzzle.
Then we stop our remote viewing session and we assemble the pieces.
Now we don't need all of this.
All of the pieces of the puzzle, in order for us to determine that victim B was murdered.
For instance, if our jigsaw puzzle, to use that analogy, were a windmill, and it were a thousand-piece jigsaw puzzle, you may be able to see the pattern emerge from that windmill after 350 pieces and say, oh, this is a windmill.
And you can choose whether or not you want to flesh in the rest of the puzzle, but you know what you've got now.
That's how we work.
All right.
I guess I don't understand how you put that puzzle together.
That's the analytical part.
So it's actually a four-part process.
Problem-solving and remote viewing is four parts.
Basic remote viewing is not problem-solving.
It's just a description of things.
People, places, things, and events.
The course that I teach at my institute, the second course, TRV 200, is a problem-solving course.
So you have to know how to search the collective unconscious.
Where do you turn your attention to?
That's number one.
How to do that.
It's like an internet search.
If you use the wrong word, you don't get back out what you want.
Junk in, junk out.
So that search turns out to be fairly easy, but mistakes can be made.
The skill itself has very few pitfalls, Art.
All right, so you know it was a knife.
You know it was a murder.
You know the victim is dead.
Can you go from there and begin to find the perp and find out where the perpetrator is?
That's the fourth part of that.
Yes.
Yes, we can.
We can find the perpetrator, and we're doing that now in several different cases.
I'm on a monster hunt for child murderers, and as you know, that's a project that we have.
The way we do that is we look at certain parts, elements of the murderer's life.
First of all, we want to see, make sure that it was a murder.
Then we want to see how many people were involved in the crime.
How many murderers.
Ed, hold it right there.
We're at the bottom of the air and we'll pick this up in a moment.
It's important because it's a lot of work that Ed's going to be doing, he is doing right now.
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Major Ed Dames is here, and we're talking about murder.
And finding murderers, victims, and their assailants.
And, uh, there's a good reason for that.
We'll get back to it all in just a moment.
Stay right where you are.
I have lately become, uh, fascinated and enamored with even, uh, a series called Law and Order on TV.
And a lot of you, I'm sure, have been watching it for years and years and years because it's been on for years and years.
But I never watched it.
About a month ago we watched the first one and now we're taping every single one that comes on TV and I'm watching them.
Absolutely enamored of the presentation they do.
It's really fun.
It's kind of like following Right along in a murder mystery as they develop the case, and I've really begun to enjoy those, so we're watching a lot of them.
There are a lot of them in syndication, so there's a lot to see.
Murder is a fascinating thing, and the trials and so forth that follow it are fascinating, but they're really, in a lot of ways, awfully ugly.
And, you know, that's what Ed's dealing.
And I remember several years ago, Ed, you said, I've had it.
I'm not going to do any more work on missing persons and murder cases.
I just can't take it anymore.
Remember?
I remember.
What happened?
It was a cop out.
And in fact, in fact, I failed.
It was the hardest task that I've had in my career.
And one particular case, I failed to locate a child before she was murdered.
And that had a profound effect on me.
That would do it.
In fact, I almost retired from the field at that point.
But I pulled myself up by my bootstraps and I said, look, you know, I like challenges.
That's why I got into this business to begin with.
This is the toughest one.
You know, don't quit.
Don't be a quitter.
And I promised myself that I would take on this challenge and succeed.
And we're doing that now.
But we've really pushed the envelope in terms of what we can get out of the technical remote viewing techniques.
If your listeners would like to see examples of our work, I will be in Los Angeles on Let's see, someday there's a mind-dazzle workshop that's filled.
But I'll be in Las Vegas, in your neck of the woods, on the 19th.
Sunday, the 19th of August.
Really?
Yes, I will be.
And I will bring examples of some of our Operation GoldenEye.
That's a search for child murderers that we have.
And we do not take reward money.
We do not capitalize on other people's grief.
This is entirely funded by proceeds from our remote-queuing kit sales.
And we're looking for, again, children who have been murdered, their bodies and their
murderers.
And that's what Operation GoldenEye is all about.
I remember at the time you said that it was just simply too hard on you.
In essence, in a way, reliving all of this.
And I want to come back to what we were talking about in terms of putting the pieces of the puzzle together.
When you move on to who committed the murder, how do you do that from a remote viewing point of view?
Actually, it's not difficult.
One of the most difficult things that we have is locating the murder victim.
And again, I'm going to speak about only, in this case, only children.
Chandra Levy is an exception.
That was by request, and we did that.
But all of our cases are children.
And locating the child's body is a difficult task.
Locating the murderer or murderers is not that difficult because we have...
They, usually murderers are in a location, they have a job, many of them have jobs, the jobs are unique in one way, shape, form or another.
And the way we hunt somebody down, for instance in the case of Chandra Levy's, Chandra Levy, my condolences to the family, because she is dead, and she was murdered, and I'll talk about that.
But the way we look for the murderer is, we don't go after right away the murderer's residence.
Of course, that's a preconceived notion.
A murderer might be a transient, or a vagrant, and not have a residence.
We, as technical remote viewers, can quickly ascertain that as a case.
So we'll go after, many times first, we'll go after the murderer's workplace.
Sometimes a murderer has more than one workplace.
Because that is such a large part of their life?
Is that what makes it easy?
No, it's easier than going out to their residence.
Because if we describe the residence in great detail, which doesn't take long, finding that residence against a homogeneous background, let's say a city, that takes a long time.
If somebody lives in the suburbs of Chicago or Los Angeles or any major metropolitan area... How do you even identify the city yet?
Oh, that isn't as difficult as you think.
For instance, We can actually turn our attention, our unconscious attention, toward the most prominent feature, the closest recognizable feature, man-made or natural, and we, in a matter of less than an hour, we can sketch something unique that's found only in that city.
The Seattle Space Field, or the Mount Rushmore, or something like that.
It goes right, it solves the problem every time.
So now we know where we're at because step four in our process is that, in drawing a conclusion, is to compare the data that we now have collected via remote cueing with known elements.
So we go to maps, our own memory or photographs, or to a central database and say, aha, here's what we have.
We deduce the answer by comparing it with known elements.
And so, looking for a murderer, we'll go after the murderer's workplace.
And that subset is a lot smaller than a murderer's residence.
A gas station, a florist, or something like that.
Then when we ascertain the nature of the business, of the employment, Let's say it's just one employer and the one job site.
After we've got that nailed down, then we go out and I hope that Chandra Levy's murderer is listening right now because I want to tell him, it's a male, how we're going to find him.
By the time I get to Las Vegas on the 19th, we'll have a very detailed picture for you of who this person is.
Well, first of all, backtracking a little, you're saying there is no question Chandra Levy is dead?
Correct.
Her body is in the Potomac River.
Right now, right near the Arlington Memorial Bridge.
She's still underwater, but it'll probably pop up there on the bank.
Let's see, it'll be the Western Bank.
Her body is in the Potomac River near the Arlington Memorial?
Bridge.
Bridge.
Yeah.
On my website, I will post a link to an aerial photo of uh... that particular location within the next forty
hours my website is uh...
on the web remote viewing dot l a take you there
and uh... that that will be up or you can get to my website by your art bells
uh... website uh...
for obvious reasons uh... we are not going to go into who you believe the
murder is even if you know right now I have no idea whether you do or don't.
It was not a congressman.
But for legal reasons, we're going to, uh, not go into who it is.
It was not, it was not a public official.
I gotcha.
Alright.
Um, well, she was, she knew her assailant, she was sleeping with her assailant, and she was suffocated by her assailant.
Suffocated?
Yes.
And then apparently dumped into the water?
Correct.
Not where her body is now, but in another place.
But her body is near that bridge.
Wow.
Okay.
So now what we do is we will get a very, very detailed profile on the murderer's workplace.
We've already started that process.
And then, We'll look at the nearest recognizable feature to the workplace.
Right.
Okay?
And we'll get very detailed sketches and descriptions of that.
And then we'll go down and match that with knowns and say, okay, this is what we've got.
We've identified this as a significant feature in this particular city.
And now we know that this particular place, let's say it's a gas station or a florist, Is near this place here.
And then we can home in on the area within a thousand meters or so.
And our search becomes easier that way.
And then we go down with a ground team.
A Sandman team, I call it.
And then the Sandman team goes in and conducts a reconnaissance of the area.
Driving around or walking around, taking the sketches of the Remote Viewing Task Force.
In most cases, it's a Golden Eye Task Force because we're looking for missing children and their killers.
In the Chanda Levy case, it's in the bowl.
We go in with our sketches and we compare our sketches with the recognizable feature
and with the facades on the buildings where the murderer works.
We do that.
We sit down with the police.
We touch bases with the police.
Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask about next, Ed.
In some cases, the police come to us.
In other cases, we go to the police and say, here's who we are.
This is what we're doing.
What will you do with this information on Shonva Levy?
I have contacts.
And I used to work in the Pentagon, as you know.
So her murderer lives not in the Washington, in the District of Columbia, in that area.
And I'll take it to people I know in that area.
What kind of greeting will you generally expect to get?
At the law enforcement agency?
Yeah, you bet.
Well, if officers come to us, or chiefs of police come to me with a request, then we're going to get a good greeting.
Now, that's happened many times in the past, but it's been with adults, and my resources are very limited.
And they're all turned toward child murderers.
Monster hunts, I call them.
Monster hunts, yeah.
Yes, for instance, one of the recent cases that we have is a little girl who is unknown.
Her body was tossed on the side of a road.
Her head was somewhere else.
She was decapitated.
Small girl.
No name at all.
A local citizens group has named her Precious Doe, rather than just Jane Doe.
Precious Doe.
Her head was found in a garbage bag in the woods a few days later.
So, when I say monster hunt, I mean monster hunt.
We're going to find out who that, I won't call it a person, but who the killer was, or what group of killers, and I mean it.
We're going to do that.
That takes a lot of work, but we've got plenty of time.
Have you ever been in a position where, uh, you gave out some preliminary information like you just did on Shondra Levy, on the Shondra Levy case, and the murderer is still out there, and, uh, the murderer will have heard enough, uh, to be really freaked out and worried that your follow-up report is going to nail him and putting you, therefore, in some danger?
Only in one case in the past, and that was with, uh, JonBenét Ramsey.
Uh, there's a possibility that, uh, the murderer was, uh, had turned his attention, uh... Toward you?
Yes.
Uh-huh.
And in the case of Saddam Hussein, back in 1991, when, uh, the original group, I think, took the best and the brightest from the military team and formed the company, uh, back in 1989, And we had worked for a large corporation to take a look at Saddam Hussein's battle plant.
And he got wind of this.
But, you know, guardian angels, they're around.
I hope.
I'm curious.
Most of the psychics, people call themselves psychics, that I see advertised on television, even on radio, Well, you know, anybody I teach in my institute, I am the director of the Technical Remote Viewing Institute.
I wonder, whatever it is, your love life, your financial life, whatever, but they will
not do missing children.
They will not do missing people, in fact.
Well, you know, anybody I teach in my institute, I am the director of the Technical Remote
Viewing Institute.
I teach in Los Angeles and a few other cities.
And when I teach the basic course, anybody that I teach after five days has the skills
to be able to describe whether or not someone is dead or alive and the surroundings of the
The second course, TRV 200, teaches the skills that are required to solve the problem.
How was this person killed?
What were the circumstances around it?
How many killers are there?
Why did this happen?
Those kinds of things.
But only Only after TRV 300, which is a project management course, can a remote-viewing student be able to identify the location of a body.
I pour out all of my skills, everything I know in the 300 course, and that includes very specialized techniques to locate people.
Natural psychics can't do this, Art.
They can never do this.
You know, it's once in a while that there's a hit.
But we have to be able to do it every single time and it is a lot of work.
Well, um, I was always curious why they wouldn't do that.
Whether it was just a matter of, uh, uh, they're afraid of being exposed to, uh, demands for that kind of accuracy or it was just, you know, it was just basically difficult for them in the way they did it.
It's difficult because they don't know where they're at.
Even if they, first of all, they better be right.
You cannot tell a parent that they're or, or, Whether they're a child, in the case of Chandra, 24 years old, or whether they're 14 years old, you do not tell a parent, as a remote viewer, that their child is dead and have them pop up alive.
Don't do that.
There goes not only your credibility, but your integrity and everything else that you've ever done.
So you better be right.
You better be right, that's right.
And then, you know, you better be able to find the killer.
And that's a difficult task.
It's far more difficult.
And just to describe the location of the body, you better be able to say, this is where it is.
Well, if the police were to call you about what you said tonight, and want to know more about, for example, the killer, without please saying it on the air right now, because I don't want you to, for legal reasons, but would you be able to tell them more about the killer than you have told me?
Yes, we have a profile.
We have two profiles already on the killer.
And even if you wanted me to talk about the profiles, I would not, because I don't have the confidence factors right now that I would want to talk about.
I need to have a higher confidence value, which requires more work.
In order to be able to say for sure that the killer works at this particular type of establishment.
There's two establishments that we've got right now.
And that kind of confusion, we have to find out why that's happening.
The police would love, Ed, to narrow it down to just two types of workplaces, believe me.
If we worked with the police, especially telling you that this girl knew who her killer was, I'm sure that it would be in short order.
Most victims do know their killers.
Most murders are done, at least it used to be true, that most murders were committed by somebody who knows the victim.
That's fairly usual, isn't it?
I don't have that much experience with murder art, and so I'm not in a position at this juncture to know, although I have been advised by some of the best Police officers in the United States, veteran police officers who are decorated veterans of whoever advised me on what to do and what not to do in terms of being legally correct on these issues.
No.
Oh, sure.
Well, most murders, the majority of murders are crimes of passion of some sort or another.
And you don't have a lot of passion generally about a stranger.
So I think most murders probably are Uh, known to their victims.
Uh, that's just my guess.
You know, I'm not a, I'm not a detective, but I think that's what I've heard.
Maybe I heard that on Law and Order.
I don't know.
Anyway, uh, Ed, there's a whole lot of other stuff that I want to ask you about tonight.
I sat straight up about a week ago, or maybe a little longer than a week, when all of a sudden there was news of a satellite find of possibly the Amelia Earhart wreck in either shallow water or near an island, and I sat straight up because I remembered that you had said something just like that, that it wasn't really in deep water, that it was fairly shallow.
You said that, right?
Yeah, that's correct.
Yeah, that's correct.
That was work that I did at a former company that I have left since departed from.
And that work placed Amelia Earhart's wreckage off of not the atoll that you see in the recent press, which is Gardner Island.
The island itself has undergone a number of name changes in the last hundred years or so.
We placed, my team of viewers at the time, placed this Amelia Earhart's wreckage off of an atoll called Curia, right next to Abamama Atoll.
That is south of Tarawa in the island nation of Kiribati.
And how far from the island shown on CNN?
I think it's about 200 miles.
About 200 miles.
Curia is about 200 miles to the north.
All right, hold it right there.
We'll be right back.
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My guest is Major Ed Dames.
In a moment, we're going to ask Ed about life elsewhere.
Very specific question about life elsewhere because of all the evidence we're getting and what I said at the beginning of the program.
About the fact that it's just absolutely got to be there.
It's just got to be there.
With what we're discovering, life seems extremely common.
Not so rare.
Maybe not life at our level, but life at any level would seem to indicate, found between here, our upper atmosphere, and Mars.
If it's in all those places, it's got to be fairly common.
I would say, wouldn't you?
Stay right where you are!
Gigantic canals on Mars that carried oceans worth of water, they've just discovered.
Water means life.
Here on Earth, or should I say above Earth, scientists have now discovered clumps of extraterrestrial bacteria, they call it, in Earth's upper atmosphere, a place where bacteria could not possibly go, at least not from Earth.
On Mars, they have gases now that have emanated from some of the test material that our robots took.
In other words, the word we're getting is life, life, and more life.
Everywhere we've been able to look thus far, save perhaps the moon, and we're not even sure about that one, there is life.
So, life must be incredibly common.
Now, I know over the years Ed has done a great deal of work On UFOs, on Mars, and I think it would be an appropriate question for Ed.
And that is, Ed, it just seems like life is now said by scientists to be very, very common.
And if it's that common, it's going to mean as we go out there and stare up at the sky with all the suns and all the planets going around them, there must be intelligent life out there that has achieved our level of technological ability or gone well beyond.
But it's a big question.
Is there other life?
Can that be determined by remote viewing?
Oh, yes.
It can be determined, but not validated, except with certain exceptions.
But the universe is teeming with life.
Teeming with life.
Yes, teeming with life.
The only time I've actually been involved in a project that would have been validatable was The Soviet Union, the erstwhile Soviet Union, during the Cold War had a counterpart psychic intelligence team.
The KGB had a team.
And the operations officer, after the Cold War was over, he and I met, and he was trying to start his own civilian company.
And I had begun a successful civilian company.
Using the techniques that came out of the Cold War remote viewing laboratories.
And he wanted some advice.
And I said, my suggestion to him was, let's do a joint project together.
And I suggested that his team and my team, consisting of my employees, who are now the best remote viewers from the military team, that we jointly remote view Titan, the largest moon of Saturn.
Really?
This was in 1992, by the way.
Okay.
His name is Ivan Sokolov.
And his company, his nascent company at that time, was Ohm.
O-M.
And I told him, don't do that.
That's a New Age name, and it belies your technological capability, and it degrades your... Yeah, I tried to give him some business techniques.
Make it sexy and hardcore technology sounding, so people don't get spooked by the...
By what you do, by how you work.
Anyway, our joint project was to look at Titan, the largest moon of Saturn.
We got this project off the ground to some degree before it was stopped for political reasons, but Titan has an impenetrable atmosphere that only now is being penetrated by ground-based, a millimeter-wave radar here on Earth, and by satellite missions.
And at the time we detected a sea, a large sea on Titan, the largest moon of Saturn,
and a very unique feature, geological feature, unique in all of our solar system.
And it's an extremely deep, sharp, olive green canyon, very narrow.
One side of it looks like it's carved, absolutely precisely carved at a 90 degree angle,
and flowing through the bottom of this canyon there's a liquid that flows into the sea.
The sea is not necessarily water.
As a matter of fact, as a chalky consistency, I've gone to some geologists, exogeologists,
and said, here's what this tastes like.
Here's what it smells like.
You know, can you tell me what this might be?
Make a long story short, there appears to be some organism,
like a sponge or something like that, living, a living thing living at the bottom of the sea.
So that's the only time that I've actually used remote viewing in exobiology work.
The rest of our work for years and years and years has been against UFOs.
And they are indeed real things.
There are many of them that are real things.
Some of them are ours.
Some of them aren't.
I know you remote-viewed something awakening under Mars.
You've said that.
There is something very strange going on in Mars.
Even the military team, when we used it as a practice target, was picking up something very, very strange.
There was an ancient civilization there, God knows how many millions of years ago, and the remnants of that civilization are there, despite the fact that the face on Mars is wetter or not.
It's merely a geological structure or a natural terrain feature.
There is still remnants of an ancient civilization on that planet.
Is there any way, Ed, to estimate, and I know timelines are the hardest of all, when contact or the reality of extraterrestrial life might actually be established, realized, known, generally known?
I haven't figured out a good way to do that in my years of trying to make that happen.
Right now, I have a small in-house effort to look at the presently detectable extraterrestrial intelligence signals.
Presently detectable.
I have my doubts about whether they're electromagnetic in nature, and that's a small in-house remote-peering project that I have.
Earth-detectable extraterrestrial intelligence signals.
How are they, if they are emanating from another planet, another world, you know, what form is that signal taking?
Well, I know SETI would certainly like to know that.
So if you find out, we want to get that one on the air.
Years ago now, I wrote a book called The Coming Global Superstorm.
Uh, and people chuckled.
Now, uh, years before that, you talked about big weather changes that were coming to the U.S.
Here's a story, uh, uh, that was on CNN, dated July 19th.
It's on their website now.
It says, A major shift in the climate has taken place that has brought about an increase in major hurricanes.
The period of heightened activity could last for decades and unleash, quote, a catastrophic storm on the United States, according to meteorologists.
Since the climate shift began six years ago, when the Atlantic Ocean began looking like a hurricane freeway, the number of hurricanes that have formed in the Atlantic Basin have doubled.
According to scientists, the number of major hurricanes which produce winds in excess of 110 miles an hour has also increased over that period by 250%, said they.
The increased activity will continue for the next 10 to 40 years, which could mean trouble for the United States.
Now, I could read on, but that's the gist of it, Ed.
All of a sudden, climatologists worldwide are realizing something has changed.
Any comments on that and where it's headed?
I think, as I've mentioned before, there's a confluence of events here.
Very, very big.
Catastrophic in terms of mankind and in terms of some of the life on Earth.
And I'll mention that in a minute.
And I like your term, the quickening.
It's not just your term, but that term is the best one.
We're at a point right now where we are endangered as a species.
And we're certainly endangering other species.
Ourselves, we're in that roiling pot right now.
Can you tell, because it's always hard when you're in the pot to tell how really hot it is, how close are we to some sort of point of no return, or have we already passed that?
Based upon a study that My team conducted for Lawrence Rockefeller years ago.
It was a study called Planetary Ozone Depletion, Projected Consequences and Remedial Technologies.
Yes.
Based upon that work, we have no more than 50 years before life as we know it is completely gone in terms of mankind.
And I'd say we're right at the threshold now As you probably have guessed, of some major catastrophes that will result in, and I've mentioned this on your show over the last four years, the weather changes first and then disease.
Disease will take us down.
The microbes are a lot smarter than we are collectively.
In terms of intelligence quotient, the HIV virus is one of the smartest enemies I have ever confronted.
In terms of a remote viewer, in terms of being an intelligence officer, the IQ of that organism is astronomical.
Well, interestingly, of course they thought they had it whooped.
They thought they had the cocktail that, and they do, that prolongs life certainly, though not necessarily indefinitely.
And lately I've seen some stories indicating that the virus is changing.
And is adapting to, uh, to these cocktails?
It's an incredible thing, Art.
I have never, uh, I, uh, in my, uh, short life, I have never confronted anything as intelligent as that particular virus.
It's as if it were engineered by, uh, you know, uh, an alien force or some science fiction theme, was it, at work here, or that Michael Crichton, you know, had a field day.
With his writing.
Well, since you said that, do you know offhand if in fact it was engineered, or was it engineered by nature?
It appears that it was.
In the remote viewing work I've done in the past, it looks like it was originally a canine virus, about 10,000 years ago nominally, that jumped ship into the simian community.
Monkeys.
And then from monkeys to man only recently.
So it appears like it was availing itself of natural conditions, although it may have gotten a booster shot by something else.
It isn't just an ordinary virus.
There's something very unique about this, as far as I'm concerned.
It's almost tailor-made to take us down.
Although, I suppose it seems that way for almost every new virus that comes along at the time, until somebody discovers something about it.
But AIDS really does seem, over all these years, to have remained as you have outlined.
Art, I was one of this country's primary biological warfare case officers, intelligence officers, science and technology officers.
And I know Dr. Hucktoe up there in Plum Island.
He and I worked together.
I know all about biological warfare, offense and defense.
And I'm telling you as a remote viewer, this was the reason I went into remote viewing to begin with.
To attempt to penetrate the former Soviet biochemical warfare program.
And we did it!
We were successful.
And in so doing, I looked at many, many different viruses as a remote viewer.
Ebola, chikungunya, African equine encephalitis, you name it.
And HIV is so different.
It's a quantum leap in terms of technology.
I'm low to use that word, but technology above and beyond any of these other organisms.
As if it were a human compared to, and the others were monkeys.
Well, I know that at Reston some years ago, 16 Minutes did the famous piece on that.
They came that close.
They had an airborne simian form of the virus, and for a while they thought it was human airborne.
And there were people out there on the lawns throwing up.
I remember 16 Minutes' coverage, and a scientist at the end of the piece came on and said, Close.
Holding his fingers as close together as you could get them.
That close to having an absolute disaster in this country.
Had that been an airborne variation of the AIDS virus, and if it had gotten out, that would have been it, Ed.
Well, I think the quickening in terms that you've described, some of the ideas should be expanded to really include disease.
Because in addition to weather and geophysical problems that we as remote viewers have seen, I have mentioned before that disease will be the one that brings us to our knees collectively.
And it will change the way we do business as much as terrorists have changed the way that people fly.
Without giving anything away, Ed, can you tell us... We all know how close we got in the Cuban Missile Crisis to Armageddon.
I wonder how close we've come with regard to biological weapons to Armageddon.
I... Let's see if I can... Let me...
Say, hypothetically, this.
Let's say there was a country that was very afraid of the United States.
We're a very scary country, you know.
I know.
I've debriefed many emigres and many defectors from other countries, and they will tell you how scary the United States is.
They don't know what we're doing, and that we are a very scary country.
And so if you're scared enough, you'll do something.
You'll do something that you might regret later, but in your fear, Your peer may drive you to make a doomsday machine.
Right?
Right.
Let's say the doomsday machine is a bug.
They're absolutely one of the best.
Now let's say that you're so frightened and you need this thing so fast that you don't take the time to develop an antidote.
You just make the weapon itself.
Now you've got a weapon.
But you have no antidote.
In fact, the weapon is so powerful that once you make it, you find that it's very difficult
to develop an antidote.
You realize that you're having a lot of difficulty developing an antidote.
If this thing gets loose, you're going to take out the enemy and yourself.
So it is a real doomsday weapon.
What happens if you can't stop this thing, if you're so afraid of it that you can't even
uncap it to destroy it?
You may have to call in another country to help you.
You may even have to call in the most threatening country in the world, your enemy, to help you destroy this thing.
That's just a scenario.
Right.
Alright, well I guess we could...
There's some really scary things out there, aren't there?
I mean, I myself have, I mean, I remember I remember, you know, in 1972 when Nixon unilaterally stopped and said, we will no longer produce offensive biological weapons.
I recall.
Okay.
United States stopped.
And, you know, that doesn't mean there were individuals, there weren't individuals in the program, the offensive program, that thought that the president was making a mistake.
And he really didn't want to do that.
Because he really didn't understand the problem.
Now, we better keep some of these vials in this refrigerator over here.
You get the picture?
I get the picture.
But, Ed, even if we stop making offensive biological weapons, we're still working on defense with regard to biological weapons, because we know damn well others are doing it.
And if you're working on a defense for biological weapons, you're almost working on an offense as well, aren't you?
Well, you have to develop some of the threat organism or get some of the threat organism to use in your test, yes.
And we approached Congress with this in the mid-80s, you know, begging them to allow us to open a P4 high-containment facility to do just that, so we could have small portions of these incurable diseases that might be used against us in altered form or in regular natural form, so that we could develop defenses.
And Congress said, absolutely not.
So the way around that is just don't tell Congress.
Well, there's been a lot of that going on over the years.
Oh, I could mention some other things too, you know, like that also.
And you don't tell the American people, don't tell Congress and everything will be just fine.
Right now you see whales eating themselves and dying all over the world because of the Navy's low frequency active sonar.
And the same program under different names.
Tremendous amounts of saw.
You wouldn't happen to know how that's affecting the whales, would you?
It's killing them.
Hold on, Ed.
Hold on.
We'll be right back.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
Yes, they're moving ahead with that program.
Big, loud sonar booms under the ocean.
We know it has an effect on the whales.
We didn't know what Ed apparently does.
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I'm Art Bell.
Major Ed Dames is my guest.
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Is that right?
That's correct.
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Okay.
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Okay, now that it's been out there for a while, Ed, what kind of response have you had to Mindessle?
Do you get return letters and emails?
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It's all of a sudden something new for the first time in your life.
It really does sound like fun, yes.
And by the way, if you and Ramona would ever like real professional remote viewing lessons, technical remote viewing lessons, Art, when I'm in Las Vegas on a Mind Dazzle workshop, I have no qualms about stopping by and training both of you.
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All right.
Well, Ed, just for a moment, back to biologicals.
Incidentally, with respect to Reston, I was talking about Ebola.
I should have been anyway, not AIDS, it was Ebola.
Same rough effect had it become airborne.
Both Ebola and AIDS have the possibility at one time or another of finally mutating to an airborne status and seems to me that would almost be like game over if Ebola or AIDS were to spread as a cold could be spread or the flu.
Which does a pretty doggone good job going across this country with that sort of frequency.
It'd be almost all over, wouldn't it?
Well, not necessarily for Ebola, based on my experience.
A lot of these diseases are subtropical in nature.
They like warm climates and they eschew the cold.
So that doesn't mean that they can't become epidemiologically important very quickly, but it appears like they're pretty much constrained to warmer climates.
In the Army, U.S.
Army, we didn't realize we had a problem until the idea of a rapid deployment force was around, where we could be in the Congo in no time at all, or be in Brazil, you know, in a matter of 48 hours fighting.
And then you have to inoculate yourself against all kinds of things.
River blindness and any number of diseases that would not be found in any other part of the world because these are subtropical in nature.
And so they weren't important, especially economically, to drug companies.
Drug companies didn't make any antidotes or vaccines for them because they weren't economically important.
So in a while you get a A tourist, a wealthy tourist that comes back with one of these things, and that's about it.
Yeah, but AIDS doesn't seem to care about the temperature.
AIDS doesn't care.
AIDS is different.
Yeah, it really is different than anything else that we've encountered in modern times, I guess, or ever.
Because we've never been able to look at these things that closely before, save modern times.
So, we should all pray that does not occur.
Okay, well, anything else you'd like to get in before we start to go to the phones, Ed?
I'm sure there's something that I didn't bring up that you would like to.
Well, again, your guest yesterday, last night, when you were on that program, you talked about using a program that you like called Shape Changer.
Oh, yes.
And I know the developers of Shape Changer well.
They're old friends of mine.
I talked to them about this and there's something, as a professional technical remote viewer, you can look at the dynamics and the mechanics behind something like that, the effect that an operator has.
Let's say Art Bell working with ShapeChanger on his computer.
Yes.
And there are things that you see that are not ordinarily apparent to both the experimenter or to the subject.
For instance, You should know that, you know, in terms of electrophysiological changes, a polygraph for instance, skin conductivity, there's all kinds of things that change in your body to affect that screen very subtly, shifting from one image to another.
You have your sympathetic nervous system.
It's all automatic, Ed.
You sit there in extremely intense pushing concentration.
And, um, I was almost frightened by how well I would do at it.
And I would constantly compare it to, you know, walking out of the room and just letting it do its own thing.
And the scores were dramatically different and consistently different.
10, 15, 20 percent when I'd walk out of the room.
85, 90, 95 percent when I'd be in the room.
It was almost frightening, Ed.
I agree.
So there's something that you were doing that was affecting the program, correct?
Absolutely.
Now, as a remote viewer, I can see something.
And I have.
I've looked at Shape Changer before.
And you know that your body is undergoing some type of change.
Your brain is.
Your body is.
Your brain is affecting your body in some way, or your brain itself is having an effect on something that in turn affects that machine.
Yeah, you're shifting into another gear of some kind, but it's almost automatic with the concentration.
Yes.
So, what I want to tell you is that don't automatically assume That is totally a psychic phenomenon, because when you remote view, when a trained remote viewer looks at that particular effect, the dynamics and the mechanics are affecting that, and this is what we do to develop new models, you'll see that something else is happening.
The brain itself is an oscillator.
The heart is a self-oscillator.
It doesn't need any input to oscillate.
That's right.
It's an auto-oscillation thing.
The heart has a very strong magnetic field.
Did you know that?
No.
Yeah, there's a magnetic encephalogram, which is the equivalent of an electroencephalogram, that takes magnetic readings of the brain.
And there's a magnetic cardiogram, which takes the magnetic field readings of the heart as it pumps.
Well, where there's electrical activity, there would be a magnetic effect, sure.
Yes.
And when you look at where your chest is, when you're working with this machine, True, true.
And the software that controls it is very, very sensitive, extremely sensitive to very, very small fluctuations in
magnetic and electric fields.
And I'm telling you that as a remote viewer, you can see the heart affecting that software.
I'm not kidding you.
So, those with real heart can get a high score, is that right?
Well, all I'm saying is that, you know, appearances can be deceiving.
Whether it's a UFO, or whether it's, you know, a trick, or the Great Wall of China being made to disappear.
You know, remote viewing can get behind that.
There's a lot of things that you can do, even with the Mind Devil Kit.
For instance, let me give you another small example.
Well, I would imagine that working with Mindazzle shifts you into the same gear.
No.
It does, but since there's no software, what you're doing is you're being forced, you're not looking at any, there's no feedback until you open the envelope.
You're being trained to remote view.
That's true.
There's a quick start guide that trains you.
Then you open the envelope to see how there's no feedback whatsoever.
That's true.
Your unconscious is doing all the work.
This is almost, the computer screen is almost like biofeedback.
It's instant.
Yes.
Yeah, okay, I'm with you.
NASA has an object, ST344.
Some friends of mine connected with NASA gave me this the other day.
And they think that this is way out in space and it's rotating.
The sun is reflecting off of it.
They're not sure what this is.
Is it the Apollo 12 third stage rocket body?
Or is it an asteroid?
And so they have a big to-do now.
What is this thing?
As a remote viewer, even the basic trained remote viewer, even with a Mindazzle, somebody using Mindazzle, for a week, they could be given this as a blind target and be able to sketch whether that is the Apollo third stage rocket body, One asteroid.
Is this something in orbit?
Apparent orbit?
Or is it... Where is it?
It's in deep orbit.
It's in orbit, but it's very far out.
It's so far out, it's difficult to discern what it is.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Have you looked at it yet?
No, but it wouldn't take more than about 20 minutes, at the most, with high confidence.
You know, with a 95-100% degree confidence to know, for a professional, that that's To discern one from the other.
But it doesn't take any time at all.
Remote viewing doesn't really, or does it, predict things?
Like, for example, an asteroid coming close or even hitting Earth.
Is that something that remote viewing would be aware of?
Yes, we can look out into the future for large events.
But again, the timelines, we have minded outside of time.
The brain is an oscillator and mind, there's only one mind, a single mind.
Our brains are unique and very different, but there's only one mind.
One mind.
And it's outside of time.
It perceives all things as patterns of information.
Our brains do.
Okay, but we don't know how far it is in terms of distance to that next event.
And also, the question comes up in a laboratory quite often.
Well, what distance, you know, through what distance can the Psi Phenomena work?
Yes.
Psi, by the way, is a romanization for the Greek letter Psi.
It's just a romanization for that letter.
Alright.
Okay.
How far can this work?
Well, the answer to that, empirically, is it doesn't matter.
There's no distance at all because the whole thing is like a single dimension where everything's next to each other.
So there's no... Distance is irrelevant.
Totally irrelevant.
And the laboratories have been going through these experiments for 30 years at least now, in terms of modern parapsychology laboratories.
And they'll continue to spin their wheels on this particular question.
But in fact, there's no distance.
Distance is a moot point.
Well, if that's true, if distance is absolutely moot, then why not, why aren't you flooded with non-human Intelligence, uh, evidence.
Uh, is it only because you cannot relate, uh, the thought processes perhaps are so different that you don't know what you're encountering?
Well, we have to turn our attention to a target.
If we, it, to be flooded with information would be, let's say I took, uh, Halcyon or Ecstasy or LSD.
Then my, the liminal gate, that's the, that's the, the, the gate between my, my Unconscious mind and my conscious awareness is now open and the whole universe is dumped on me.
I can't process the information because it's overload, right?
Right.
So in technical remote feeling, we turn our attention to very specific things at any given time and we don't allow any intervention.
There's nothing that comes in and interferes with that process.
That's right.
You're consciously blocking everything, aren't you?
You're trained to do that, to lock onto a target and to know and to sort the weave from
the chaff.
You're not consciously blocking it.
No.
You're trained to do it the right way, the same way as any other skill trains you to
do something, to stay on target, to be focused on what you are doing to the exclusion of
other things that might interfere around you.
Well, I know that one of the things you have to do is suppress ego so that it does not
interfere with what you're trying to perceive.
And I wonder now, in your long career, and it's been a long career for you, remote viewing,
if you understand personally how much better you are at that now than you were at the beginning.
Oh, absolutely.
I've made every mistake in the book many, many times.
And that's why I'm so good.
That's why I'm so good.
This is a big ego speaking right now, but I'll tell you what, when I put that pen on the paper and I start a remote viewing session, the ego goes out the door.
For those who want to see it, Ed, I know that you've got some sort of special coming up on Fox.
and you start analyzing your work and thinking as you go on, you will crash and burn so fast
and your data will be dog doo doo.
For those who want to see it, Ed, I know that you've got some sort of special coming up on Fox.
Do you know when that's going to be yet?
Well, they originally wanted to air it in the fall, and it looks like they're sticking to the original schedule.
I thought they were going to move it up to the summer because they liked it so much.
But it's a resurrection of the old... It was the original show, the seminal show, that spawned all of the paranormal programs.
And it was called In Search Of.
The original host was Leonard Nimoy, and the new host is the individual who played Skinner on The X-Files.
His name escapes me right now.
The program is on remote viewing and I asked that crew to stay in my classroom for as long as it took to show the public how difficult remote viewing is and how much work it is and what we could do when we finished the project.
What you'll see is a single remote viewer, one of my advanced TRV 300 level students, not only described the target, not only described the target, there was a blind target that the crew gave him, but he named the target.
He said, this is the specific, and he named it, I won't tell you what it is right now, you can watch the show, but I wanted the public to see that this is not how much rigor And how much skill goes into making this work the right way.
It is not a close your eyes, relax, lay back and tell me what you see type of activity.
All right.
I've got a fast blast from Michael in Miami, Florida.
And so he says as a 17 year homicide investigator, How should I get involved?
How can I get involved with remote viewing?
Good question.
I can imagine a homicide investigator might have real use for remote viewing.
Certainly not indirect presentation of evidence, but in gathering evidence that can then be traced through other means, it would be very useful.
What sort of level of school should somebody like that attend?
He'd have to go through the TRV 200 course at TRV Institute, at my institute, and preferably the 300 course.
The 300 course is, those skills there are the only, are the ones that are necessary in order to locate something.
In order to describe what went down, 200 will do it.
That's a problem solving course.
It's heavy on matrix search and data analysis.
But the 300 course is required to actually locate.
Criminal, victim, things like that.
I would imagine at this stage of the acceptance of remote viewing, you would have to use it as a tool, and then gather your evidence in other ways.
In other words, you couldn't prance into a courtroom as a homicide investigator, and they ask you how you knew that, and you say, well, you know, I remote viewed it.
Absolutely.
How would it go?
Yeah, oh yeah, this is, no matter how precise it is, it's going to be a long time before this is accepted in a very conservative venue, like a courtroom.
Yes, we turn our attention to... I'll give you a good example.
If I may?
Sure.
The hottest case I have right now is the one that... I'll be on the road with Mind Dazzle Workshops here pretty quickly, in about a month.
And in between workshops, I will be handling these Operation GoldenEye targets.
Stephanie Condon in Oregon.
There's a little girl who is still listed as missing in the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
She was abducted.
She was killed on the night she was abducted.
We know that as remote viewers.
We also know who the killer is.
Obviously, I can't say that on the air.
Have you contacted local authorities?
The local... Yes.
Yes, I've contacted local authorities and they are not willing to... On that particular case, the chief detective, Joe Perkins, is not willing to work with me and And I, that's okay.
I understand that.
I can completely accept it.
He does not know what the military team did.
You're not aware of my real background.
I can accept his conservatism.
That doesn't mean I'm going to stop on this case.
Okay, Ed, we've got to hold it.
We're at the top of the hour.
Come back and we'll finish that up and take some calls.
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Alright.
Last night, somebody asked me to please ask Ed Dames one more time about the Shadow People.
And, Ed, you remote-viewed the Shadow People for us and gave the results on the last program, but he missed them, and I guess some others did, too.
So, your take on the Shadow People.
After about 10 days of, I'd say, a total of 12 hours of remote-viewing, It looks like the majority of what people have been calling the shadow people are literally shadows of ghosts.
There has to be a light source in order to have a shadow person and the light source is actually passing through what you and I call a poltergeist, a ghost.
It's something that is electromagnetically interfering Not so that a shadow is cast.
It would be like a transparent balloon in the middle of a room.
It would be difficult to see it.
And yet if there were a light behind it, it would cast a shadow.
I was going to say, it must only be casting a shadow in part of the spectrum of the light.
Otherwise, it would be a visible object to begin with.
That's correct.
A lot of the artifacts of the existence, the artifacts of the presence of a poltergeist is in the electromagnetic spectra, is in the ultraviolet, in the low end of the ultraviolet.
A ghost is a kind of a spread spectrum event.
Think of energy that is slow in time and energy present that is moving through your room or your home or outside in
the trees.
And what you see visually, if you see anything at all, is sort of a glimmer.
Dogs and cats and birds see a little bit deeper into the ultraviolet region so they can pick it up easier.
So the shadow of a ghost?
All right.
Jason in Honolulu would like us to clean up the question on the whales.
You said what the Navy is doing is killing the whales.
And in what way is it killing them?
It's noise and it's probably annoying, but why is it killing them?
Before I do that, I have an apology, a quick apology to make to some citizens group on Oahu and Honolulu who yesterday called me to try to... There's an old elderly man who has Alzheimer's that disappeared last month, Masayuki Kupo.
And I tried to fit in work to track him down, and this isn't a group that's supposed to go out tomorrow one more time to look for him, and I have not been able to locate him.
I've only given them cursory data.
I can't do that.
I'm going under work-wise, so I have an apology there to people on Oahu.
Secondly, LFAS, low-frequency active sonar, the noise levels, the sonic energy that's going out, and those emitters, is homogenizing.
the internal organs of Cetacea. It is turning the organs of whales and dolphins into mush.
And I think rather than me talking a lot about it, I would suggest that you might have...
I've never suggested a guest to you, and actually it's been four and a half years that I've
been on your show, but I'm going to do it now.
Okay.
I think Vivian Vernon Roe, a friend of mine and my wife, she won the Oscar for Best Documentary in 1989, dealing with the horrors of nuclear war.
She is the best advocate for this problem.
Vivian Vernon Rowe is it? Yes, she won the Oscar for best documentary. Can you put her
Can you send me some information so I can get in touch with her?
I'd be glad to, yes.
She is the spearhead for this effort in a lot of areas of the world, trying to show that the Navy has killed yet another pod of dolphins or a group of whales.
It's very real, and it's very sad.
But, you know Art, I was the project manager once on some big projects, and you know what?
I didn't care about civilians or about whales and things like that because I was a military officer and I had a mission and the mission came first.
I was sort of unconscious and now that's changed.
And so I understand the mentality behind this, but now I have a suggested target for any trained remote viewers.
Take a look at America's most secret national defense program.
You'll see something very interesting.
The entire Earth's atmosphere is being modified to use as a weapon.
And that's sad.
Do you know what form that modification is taking?
Yes.
The atmosphere.
Yes, I do.
I know a lot about it, but suffice it to say, that's enough.
That's enough to get people started.
All right.
All right.
I promise going to the phones, and so we shall.
First time caller on line, you're on the air with Major Dames and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hello.
Going once.
Going twice gone.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
Where are you?
I'm Barb, and I'm calling from Meadville, Pennsylvania.
Meadville, all right.
Good old Pennsylvania.
Yes, indeed.
And two questions.
I have a question for you first.
All right.
I know you have kitties.
Four of them, yes.
Four?
Oh my God!
I know, we feel the same way.
Well, I live with one.
Uh-huh, they come to you and that's it.
And I wondered if you ever contacted Bill Northern to ask about your titties.
No, but you know, I have been looking.
Maybe I don't have some input on this.
I have been looking desperately for an animal communicator that can tell me what animals think.
He talks to animals and they talk to him.
You get me information.
I called him about Tom Tom.
Okay, listen to me.
I know about your own cat, but I want kind of general information.
I want to know, for example, what a cat or a dog thinks about in an average day.
I didn't ask that.
None of them seem capable of answering that.
I'm looking all over for somebody who can answer that question for me.
At any rate, why don't you go on to a question for Ed, if you have one.
Yes, Mr. Banks.
I have tried to listen every time you've been on, and I have never heard you Maybe you have talked about it, but I didn't hear it.
I have never heard you talk about the cattle mutilations and the human mutilations.
All right, then let's tackle it.
Ed, I think we may have touched on that in the past.
I'm not sure.
The cattle mutilations surely are just downright completely inexplicable, bizarre, Nothing, no explanation you dig up for him makes any sense at all.
The military could get all the cattle they want.
What the hell's going on?
Any idea?
I wish I did, but it happens to be the biggest conundrum I have ever faced as a remote viewer.
I have tons of information.
It is a real thing, and it is as alien as alien can be, but it is to date.
As far as I'm concerned, as an analyst and a skilled professional remote viewer, I cannot discern what the heck is happening.
I know the animals are, they appear in a vehicle, they disappear from the ground, they appear in a vehicle, they're desanguinated under, in a vacuum or a partial vacuum, all the fluids are drained out, things happen to them, the carcasses are dropped back down, and why, who, what, where, those kind of things.
Maybe it's too far away from any frame of reference we could understand for you to grasp it.
That's the only conclusion I could come to.
It's beyond my ken, and that's okay.
There's a lot of mysteries out there, and who wants to know everything anyway?
Well, from remote viewers, many times.
You know, I really would like to know about animals, Ed.
I've been on this quest for a long time, and I've been very disappointed with the The animal communicators that I've had on, I really would like to understand a little bit of what animals think, what they care about, what they perceive, how they see us, how they see each other, how they see the world.
I would love to know that.
I don't know if there's any application in remote viewing to try and find that out.
Oh yes, there is.
I've done it for dolphins in support of dolphin projects and learned very, very new things.
That's the only time I've done this for dolphins, but it was a very, very high payoff project, and it resulted in lots of new knowledge about the way that dolphins see the world, the way they process information, very much different than the way scientists had thought.
What can you tell us?
Well, they're extremely visual creatures.
We think because they communicate sonically, acoustically, verbally, vocally, that that's where all the beef is.
But that is not necessarily true.
They are extremely discerning when it comes to very, very small changes visually.
So that if you use photographs, And the advice I gave to a research team was take a photograph of yourself, a waterproof photograph, stick it in the water so the dolphin can see it, so the dolphin can look at the two-dimensional image of yourself and then look at you on deck of the ship, a boat, and compare the two.
Then take a frame of the dolphins themselves, stick that in the water so they can look at that, and they can begin To learn what this two-dimensional flat form is.
That it's actually a visual image that's two-dimensional instead of three.
And then start lowering frames of yourself with somebody in another position.
They already have recognized, when they've learned to recognize you in a two-dimensional flat surface.
Now put in other pictures of yourself in other areas away from the boat.
And in this way, you can teach dolphins a lot faster than you can by using acoustic signals.
Oh, sure, you're teaching them in their world, in the way they perceive everything, two dimensions.
Well, they're very visual.
When they wake up in the morning, as a remote viewer, I can be inside, and you're really not going anywhere, but you're discerning that pattern of information that is a specific dolphin as it wakes up in the beginning of morning nautical twilight, where it's just dawn, where birds sing their dawn songs, and The dolphin wakes up and the first thing it notices, and you can discern this as a remote viewer, is any little thing that's different visually.
Not acoustically, but visually.
So they're very visual.
Extremely.
Much more than we had thought.
Oh, that's fascinating.
Yeah, that's fascinating.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Daines and Art Bell.
Good morning!
Good morning.
Yes, sir.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
Welcome back.
It's so wonderful to hear your voice again.
Oh, thank you.
Where are you?
I'm in Exeter, New Hampshire.
Okay.
Listening to you on WTAM Cleveland 1100.
Yes, sir.
I booted up my 1951 RCA Victor vacuum tube radio.
Major Ed speaking.
My daughter, okay, has epilepsy.
And she's a beautiful little freckle-faced red-headed girl and she's been through medication and MRIs and all that stuff and what happens with her is that we'll be sitting at the kitchen table having supper and she'll just drift off and a glaze will come over her eyes and for two or three minutes she'll just drift off and go into the Netherlands and she'll blink her eyes and come back and I'll say to her, uh, Amber What were you thinking about, Amber?
You okay?
You know, and she goes, yeah, it's okay, Daddy.
What were you thinking about?
Well, it's nothing.
It's nothing.
She'll say it's nothing.
And what I want to know is, does that extra electrical current in her brain as a result of her epilepsy make her a candidate for remote viewing?
Does it detract or make it better?
It detracts from remote viewing, but it sometimes makes people extremely psychic.
I know of a case that we had, a real world case, where I actually had to send the FBI to check on somebody that was writing letters to the Pentagon that was describing a secret, not a top secret, but a secret program somewhere on the East Coast.
I can't mention the name of the project, but they weren't describing it exactly, and they were not read on and briefed at this project.
The FBI came back to me in the Pentagon and said, here's where this person is.
His father institutionalizes him about twice a year because he goes into seizures and he has these attacks where he has to go and be watched in an institution.
And when he does that, when he becomes abnormal, he's perfectly psychic.
And I mean perfect.
So when it switches, we have the ability within us, but we have to have these switches hit.
That does not make... Your daughter, Amber, would not be a good candidate for me to train under those conditions when she dozes off.
I'd have to wait for her to come back, because I need her attention.
But, people like that are... Naturally psychic.
Yes, but how old is she?
I'm sorry, she's gone.
Okay.
Well, epileptic girls, as I mentioned before, once they hit, once they near puberty, an epileptic prepubescent A girl will really evoke poltergeist activity in a house.
Stronger than anything known in a paranormal world.
All right.
Well, he might watch for that.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Good morning.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
I just have... I was listening to your show last night.
Oh, yes.
And I was trying to get through.
I never got through.
My question is, is that... Well, I just...
I thought of another question while you were talking to that other gentleman.
What about people with depression?
People with depression?
Bipolar, that kind of thing?
Maybe not so much bipolar, but just like... Fits of depression.
Yeah, because I've had... Can I interrupt here and interject?
Yes.
Depression does not affect the remote viewing session itself.
Once you begin the process, your attention is pulled into the target.
You're held in place because of your training and you don't have any time for depression.
We're capacity constrained in terms of information processing.
Our brains can only process so much information and the resources that are demanded in terms of remote viewing don't allow any excess resources to be depressed while you're remote viewing or to be sad or angry anything else like that you have to remember what you were sad or angry about at the end of 45 minutes because you were all of your attention was utilized to remote view well what my question is is that somebody that's depressed is there what I'm asking is is their mind more
Are you open to be psychic or to do what you're talking about?
No, it sounds like quite the opposite, Anna, as though depression, in order to remote view, would almost have to be put aside because of the level of concentration that you have to go to.
No, it's forced aside.
You can start a session depressed.
God knows I've done it many times.
Angry, depressed, you name it.
But after five minutes, you're into that target.
You are remote viewing.
and you don't have any excess resources left at that time to be depressed because it requires emotional energy
and all of your energy is going into this attention that you're holding on your target.
Once the session ends, then you start to remember what you were doing prior to the session
and then you get depressed and angry again.
So maybe that's a good reason to do it, huh?
Well, I was asking that question because I do suffer from depression, but not all the time.
Like, in and out of it.
Okay, well that's your answer.
A little bit of remote viewing might force you out of it, at least for a period of time.
We've got to scoot because we're here towards the bottom of the hour.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Everybody sit tight.
It is, my guest is Major Ed Daines, and we're into phone calls right now.
There is something I want to touch on in a moment that we've touched on before, but a lot of people on the computer want me to do it.
That's the false prophet.
The Antichrist.
What Major Daines knows about him.
And whether he's here now.
So we'll ask that question in a moment, then we'll get back to phone calls.
This, of course, is the one and only Coast to Coast AM.
Hey, by the way, everybody, the TV Guide is going to do an article on me that I am led to believe is going to be out August 18th.
The TV Guide.
So I'm going to be on a lot of coffee tables up and around the 18th of August.
Once again, Major Ed Dames.
Major Dames, a lot of people want to know about the False Prophet, about The Antichrist, and perhaps you could update them.
I know we've covered it before, but I'm getting a lot of questions.
It's an interesting research topic in terms of technical remote viewing that I've had for a number of years.
The Revelation and the Apostle John.
The Revelation, Apostle John, and a few of the other prophets.
It's interesting that the prophets of old were Shanghai'd.
They didn't ask to be prophets.
They were kind of, you know, they said, come over here.
That's right.
We're going to anoint your eyes or whatever.
I'd be very interested in prophecy.
This idea of the false prophet, even though it's mentioned in the text of the talks of false prophets, plural, more often than not you see it in terms of the singular, that the false prophet is not born of a woman.
And it has great power to influence in the end times, to influence and turn people towards the Antichrist.
Okay?
Yes.
And I had been... Something... What has that much power?
In terms of remote viewing, you see that it is not a human being.
It does not have a body.
It does not have a soul.
It looks like a robot at first glance.
But in the further study, you finally get to see and discern what the false prophet is.
More than 2,000 years ago, almost 3,000 years ago, prophecy was talking about something not born of a woman that would turn people towards this idea of Antichrist.
And it turns out to be television.
Television?
Television.
Television?
Yes.
I just heard they were telling everybody they were going to make a TV guide.
That's what I know.
That's what they were seeing 2,500 years ago.
This idea has so much power.
So much power for good or for evil.
It can turn any way.
It has such a great power.
It is a power.
It influences so many people.
Uh huh.
Hey, do me a favor.
Uh huh.
At the time.
I know you can use remote viewing for medical reasons.
Take a look at my spine.
I'm serious.
Take a look at my spine.
And see what sort of weird S's and odd bone spur shapes I have in there.
Well, I wouldn't waste my time on that.
I would spend my time on looking at a treatment, effective, available treatment or a cure.
Because remember, we have to constrain the search term with available, presently available, because if we're looking at a cure or a treatment, mind is outside of time.
Okay, I'm down with that.
Let's look for something that doesn't involve either scalpels or long needles.
Well, we'll see what comes out of that.
You can qualify it any way you want, but I'll take a look, Art.
That's a promise.
Okay, all right.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Hello.
Hello.
Oh, I didn't hear a click.
Well, yeah, we have a very silent system now.
Where are you, sir?
I'm in Paso Robles, California.
My name's Ron.
Very good.
Heavy about the TV.
Yeah, heavy is right.
Stop and think about that for a couple minutes.
Yeah.
I'm wondering, is it possible To remote view the rapture when supposedly millions of people disappear?
Approximate time, maybe?
Christians, indeed, the rapture, Ed.
That would be, in terms of my methods and techniques, technical remote viewing, that would be what we call a topical search, where we're not even sure what the question is.
We do a series of remote viewing probes, usually six.
To see if there's any consistency in the data.
Are we dealing with the same thing?
And if we are, what is the thing?
What's the question?
So, in other words, we don't automatically assume that the rapture is as described in the text, in biblical text, or anywhere else.
So, yes, we have remote-viewed the rapture, and it does involve some type of an event that, for all intents and purposes, is, let's call it, supernatural.
I don't understand it.
I can't flesh it out in terms of knowns, or just the same way the prophets of old couldn't flesh out what they were seeing in terms of anything.
There was no baseline, culturally, to describe what they were doing, what they were perceiving.
Could you look for Lots and lots of missing people of a single faith?
Physically missing people?
Not in that way, Art.
When we remote view the Rapture, there's something going on.
There's something happening on Earth, but we can't tell what that something is.
That's all.
Okay.
All right.
Now, we could look at other events, and then we could come at it another way.
But when we go after it using this term, rapture, that's what we end up perceiving.
Gotcha.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames and Art Bell.
Good morning.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
Last night there was that great, you know, doctor on talking about the remote viewing and everything.
Yes.
And, you know, there were some things that pertain to the actual experience of being able to remote view or surrender completely.
And so I have two things real quick and then I'll get off the line.
One, What really happens when you come into the remote viewing?
Is there an absolute dissolving of good and evil?
I mean, is good and evil really a play in our mind and a way for religions to keep us hostage?
You know, do you really dissolve?
Is there really a oneness that occurs when you fall into that remote viewing?
Are you really wishing to ask if good and evil are real things or if they are just within men?
Sir, sir, wait, hold it, hold it, one thing at a time.
Are you wishing to ask if good and evil are real things or if they are just within men?
Yeah, I'm saying that in his moment that he really takes the remote viewing that he's
there, surrendering, like being...
First of all, we're not dealing with an experience.
We're dealing with a skill.
It's strictly a skill.
Period.
It's not experience.
No.
one is there can be no separation no good or evil and then the second thing I
was hoping you'd comment on hold on let him answer let him answer that no problem
well I have to dissect that a little bit first of all we're not dealing with an
experience we're dealing with a skill it's strictly a skill okay period it is
not experience no once it becomes experience you lose your target you get
caught up in the drama and there it all falls to pieces Okay.
And then the second thing, I was hoping you could comment on the strange scripture in the Gospel of Matthew 4.16, that Jesus actually wore a fishnet torpedo.
4.16 in Matthew, it's a really strange verse, it's right there, that Jesus wore a fishnet torpedo.
You know, you were talking about Revelations earlier, so I was maybe hoping that in your surrender, in your remote viewing, you might understand what was really going on there.
I have never turned my attention to that specific idea and that passage, no.
I imagine there would be a great deal in the Bible that you could focus on if you... Endless.
Endless, right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Hello.
Hi, Eric.
This is John from Goodland, Minnesota.
Hi, John.
Ed, I'd like to follow up on the ozone question and ask what parallel universe do we need to live in To turn that around, say one with free energy technology freely available, or say one with a good relationship with certain ET civilizations that might assist us, seems to me to be a technological problem.
The data that we produced for that contract indicated that there is no remedial technology.
The ozone layer will fail.
It's undergoing a metastasis.
Now it's not just a big hole over the Arctic that is growing greater every winter.
It's actually a metastasis, sort of a thinning of the ozone layer all around the globe, being aggravated by a lot of things.
And when it fails, people will actually be driven underground in solid sealed habitats because it becomes too dangerous.
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