Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath of the Ghost Investigators Society (GIS) use blank tapes in cemeteries, crematoriums, and crime-linked sites to capture EVPs—distorted voices like "what’s so funny?" or regional slang—often tied to unresolved emotions or trauma. Police report ghostly encounters, and GIS records static breakdowns before voices emerge, though ethical boundaries prevent fresh death investigations. Skepticism lingers over "Sounds from Hell" and a Siberian well audio, with McBeath dismissing hell as literal. Their work suggests spirits may linger due to unfinished business or societal misalignment, raising questions about consciousness beyond death and the blurred line between ghosts and darker entities. [Automatically generated summary]
A D W From the high desert in the great American southwest video, wherever you may be across this great land of ours and well beyond.
This is coast to coast, A.M. Now cleared on over 500 radio stations internationally.
I'm Mark Bell.
To you, lots of things to do in the next hour.
First hour is going to be more or less open lines and a few subjects to make you think.
But next hour, Brendan Cook and Barbara McSpee are going to be here.
They're the GIS people.
What they do is pretty freaky, and you might want to ask yourself whether you want to really hear this or not.
They take tape recorders into graveyards with blank tapes, tapes that have never been recorded on in any way, ever.
And they record the voices of the departed.
That's really the only conclusion you can come to.
That's one they've come to, and we'll have those voices for you throughout the evening.
All right, let's see.
What's going on?
Well, number one, the Bigfoot story of last week.
The gentleman who had hit in a high-speed crash a 700-pound plus something that he thought might be a Bigfoot tried to get hold of Robert W. Morgan, and I just finally got a message from Robert W. tonight on my answering machine.
He'll be available tomorrow.
But because I couldn't get hold of him last week, I got hold of another investigator, one whose name you know.
And this investigator has tried to get hold of the gentleman with the Bigfoot who claims now he has taken it to a vet.
Now, the investigator is having trouble because, as you may recall, I advised him to enlist the confidence, the strict confidence of some sort of vet in the area and first and foremost find out if it was still alive and find out what he had on his hands, that sort of thing.
I's shy of having an investigator to dispatch immediately.
So he apparently, according to my investigator, says he has done that, although we have yet to contact the vet.
So that's where things stand tonight.
Tomorrow, Robert W. Morgan will be on this as well.
Whether it is a true story or not, I have yet to determine personally.
We'll see.
We will see.
Now, tomorrow night for me may be problematic.
Tomorrow morning at 7-something or another in the morning, I'm going to go to a dentist.
Oh, my God, do I hate going to the dentist?
And this is going to be for a root canal that failed underneath one of my bridge, you know, so it's under a bridge, which is not going to come off short of major violence.
And so what they're going to try and do, I guess, now we'll find out tomorrow morning, is to drill down through, imagine this.
Just think about this, folks.
Drill down through the bridge and then try to redo the root canal, which unaccountably failed.
So we'll see what happens tomorrow.
But it may be a little problematic.
I don't know.
We'll see.
Let us examine briefly the World News.
Bill Clinton to write memoirs.
Now, whose memoirs do you think would be worth more dough?
Bill Clinton, the president, the now ex-president, or his wife, the now present senator from New York?
I don't know.
I guess we're going to find out.
Let's see.
His advance is more than $10 million.
$10 million?
Well, for $10 million, there's going to have to be some sexy chapters, I would imagine.
We'll have to wait and see.
Tropical Storm Barry is, which, of course, blew across Florida, penhandled there in Alabama today, knocking down tree limbs and power lines and so forth and so on, now appears to be losing steam.
Two cars on a roller coaster at Six Flags New England Park collided this afternoon, sending 22 people to hospitals with minor injuries.
Has anybody noticed a sudden flurry of amusement park troubles, you know, rides caught in midair, pictures of people sort of hanging sideways about 100 feet in the air, waiting for rescue, that sort of thing.
Been a lot of that lately for some reason.
And, you know, it's like taking a plane flight.
It's one of those things you think about.
You look at this ride and you think, can I handle that many Gs?
Then you think, do I want to handle that many Gs?
And then you, of course, just for the briefest moment before you get on, wonder, hey, I wonder if those cars ever come off, you know, and go flying into midair or whatever.
Well, occasionally they do.
Now, some more serious news.
From Matt Drudge and from all the networks, but in this case, Matt Drudge's article, a 21st century shock announcement is set to be made at the National Academy of Sciences in Washington on Thursday.
Up to 200 women will soon be impregnated with cloned embryos in the world's first attempt to produce a human clone.
The test, planned for November, possibly on a boat in international waters to avoid any political interference, is going to use a technique similar to that developed to produce Dolly Ziship.
Up to 200 couples from several countries, including eight from Britain, are being selected for the cloning project.
Italian embryologist Severino Antarinori, whose Rome clinic enabled a 62-year-old woman to have a baby in 1994, is planning to make the stunning announcement in the nation's capital.
His team for the cloning drill, or drills, that is, consists of 20 international specialists.
There will be no Americans in the test.
According to an insider, White House sources warned that he will not be permitted to impregnate any of the women within U.S. borders.
So, send in the clones.
It was inevitable, I told you, if it has not occurred privately, which I already suspect it may have, here comes the first serious, full-blown public attempt.
And we are going to have clones.
What is your attitude about a clone?
Would a clone, in your estimation, be entitled to all the civil rights, for example, afforded under the Constitution?
Would a clone have a soul?
Do we have souls?
A question perhaps you must first answer before you can ask about a clone.
I don't know.
Will clones be indentured servants or something?
Will there be no difference between a clone and anybody else?
Will clones be used for body parts?
Will clones be perhaps terrible miscalculations of I was going to say nature, but it's not really nature, is it?
It's some doctor somewhere, in this case an Italian doctor.
Remember, before they got Dali, they had a lot of misshapen disasters, and that could certainly occur with human beings as well.
Listen carefully to this.
Partly cloudy with a chance of corn husks.
For some residents in East Wichita neighborhoods Friday afternoon, the weather was, in fact, that partly cloudy with a chance of corn husks.
People in homes near 13th and Woodlawn reported seeing what looked like an extraordinarily large, dried corn husk, many of them, spiraling down from the sky at about 6 p.m.
Paul Korn, yes, that's his real name, was playing host to a family reunion in his backyard in the 1,000 block of Vincent Lane on Friday afternoon.
He said the family stopped swimming when they noticed something strange spiraling down from the sky.
They waited for it to land to see what it was, but the frond came to rest just over the fence in a neighbor's yard.
Then there were more and more, each one about 30 inches long and 3 inches wide.
They just kept coming down.
There had to, I don't know, be a thousand of these things.
Hamley was curious enough to jump out of the pool and into the car, driving a short distance around the neighborhood, find more, which they did.
No telling how many of the leaves fell, but several were seen lying across Armour Street between Central Avenue and 13th Street.
Officials with Weather Data Inc., a local forecasting service, said they had received no reports from the corn husk shower, but a meteorologist there, Jeff House, seemed intrigued corn husks falling from the sky.
Hmm, he said.
That is odd.
Could they have been stirred up by a tornado in some Iowa cornfield, blown hundreds of miles through thick summer air, only to billow down on backyards and driveways and eat East Wichita?
That's a good thought, he said, but no chance.
Not today.
Our region, in fact, the whole country, was tornado-free on Friday.
Wasn't even particularly windy, he said, just hot.
So maybe August turned that Iowa cornfield into popcorn, and the remnant husks exploded into the atmosphere.
Nope.
House says doubtful.
Whatever it was, it was probably caused by man.
Some residents speculated the leaves fell from a plane.
Air traffic authorities could not be reached for comment Friday night.
One more theory.
University of Nebraska fans were behind it.
Gearing up for yet another Corn Husker football season, they decided to blanket their southern rivals in a giant, an ingenious, we might add, Corn Husker practical joke.
But nobody buys that one.
So anybody out there have any thoughts on how husks of corn, thousands of them, could rain from the sky upon Wichita?
One local said it's a magical place.
Just a magical place, he joked.
It's the land of Oz.
That's about as good a guess as any of the others we've had.
All right, a couple of items to take care of, and then back to it.
Every now and then somebody will send an email that catches my fancy, and some of you, I'm sure, remember the near-death experience of Sarah, a young church worker.
Remember that?
Who went to hell and back?
And then, of course, Daniel Brinkley, who went someplace or another with Crystal Cities.
And I've, you know, Daniel's in his past not been the prime example of Martin Luther King-type behavior.
Let's put it that way.
And he got to go to Crystal Cities while Sarah went, you know, somewhere else.
And I got the following.
Hi, Art.
Wanted to send this email for several years now, but I keep thinking you'll get it sometime soon, but I guess not.
So here's a reason why Danion didn't go where Sarah did.
You recall the point where Sarah went into the room where all manner of torture and human degradation was being performed, right?
Yes, of course.
And you must recall how Sarah pointed out that she realized that anyone could leave at any time if they could only see it, right?
Again.
Well, Hell Art, you know damn good and well that if Daniel had gone there, he would have known he belonged there.
And he would still be there now.
Therefore, his experience had to be different if he were to bring any useful information back.
Sarah, on the other hand, knew she didn't belong there.
This allowed her to have the experience in such a way that she could pass it on to us without being trapped there.
This has always seemed obvious to me.
Hope you see it now, too.
Well, it wasn't always obvious to me, but it is now.
Well said, Richard from Greeley, Colorado, thank you very much.
He's exactly right, isn't he?
And then somebody wrote this to me.
This would be the single most egotistical.
Now, we have hit 500 stations with a show, which is really something, and I'm very proud of it.
But listen to this from Kevin.
Art congrats on reaching the 500 club.
600 seems a slam dunk.
Inevitably, you will surpass Limbaugh in affiliations.
Immortality appears assured.
You should ask Ed Dames to scan the future for the site of your statue.
Then buy the land, buy the land, and wait for the Monument Selection Committee to request the certain purchase.
Jack the price up and make a big killing, big enough to afford the aircraft of your dreams, whichever it may be.
And then you and Ramona can tour the world by air.
And we imagine we're going to go to the very top of the heap, and we're going to get a remote viewer to view the spot of our own monument.
Not illegally, a little bit egotistical, huh?
Monument.
And then, moreover, you find that spot, you buy it up ahead of time, and sell it to those who would be erecting your monument for a huge profit with which you buy an aircraft to travel about at your whim and will.
For one thing, I wanted to mention that it's, well, it's just a good thing that it wasn't Iowa where these things were falling because can you imagine thousands of buckeyes coming on people's heads?
Secondly, kudos for getting these people on tonight.
Well, I've had this arthritis art down in my right knee for a long time, and we could go from there, and we could take individual cases for a long time.
Oh, you heard about the child who was killed in the MRI machine when somebody rolled an oxygen bottle into the room and it took flight and smashed the poor child's skull.
Now, from Portland, Oregon, a man undergoing a routine MRI scan for his wrist at a medical center in Oregon had to frantically escape the machine after the padding around his arm caught fire.
Randy Retig, 36 of West Lynn, went in Saturday for a diagnostic scan of a nagging wrist injury suffered in a snowboarding accident last winter.
He was lying face down on a gurney, aimed headfirst into the machine's giant magnet, his left arm extended over his head.
Well, about 20 minutes into the scheduled 25-minute procedure, Reddig, who'd been suffering mild claustrophobia, I understand that, said he began to smell a terrible chemical smell.
And then there was smoke.
He opened his eyes and saw flames on his left arm.
Not exactly what you would want in the middle of that procedure, in the middle of that tube.
He screamed, predictably, pushed himself backward out of the machine.
The flaming foam rubber sleeve around his left arm fell off, and an attendant who rushed into the room doused the sleeve in a nearby sink.
The fire department was not called.
He wasn't burned, save the hair on his arm, singed.
In the frantic effort to extricate himself from the machine, though, he did, in fact, re-injure his wrist.
So I'm not exactly sure what's going on with MRIs lately.
All I know is I'm awfully glad that I didn't get to read these stories before I went in for mine.
Well, this is something from Quebec City in Canada.
And for Canada for now, anyway.
An elderly Canadian man was said to be recovering last Thursday following a savage attack by his pet cat.
Get this, which drew four carloads of police, two ambulances, and an animal control officer.
The National Post newspaper said that Gerald Daigle, 80, lost no less than a pint of blood and required stitches after his cat Turoti, a diminutive roughly meaning tiny, launched a frenzied attack at Daigle, who was apparently, check this out, giving his pet parrot a shower, inadvertently spraying the cat with water.
Daigle, who lives in Quebec, halfway between Montreal and Quebec City, could not be reached for comment on Thursday.
The newspaper said he was saved by his 81-year-old wife, who wrestled, wrenched the cat away, only to have it then turn on her.
The paper quoted Daigle as saying, the cat wanted to eat her too.
The couple managed to chase that cat into the bedroom, slam the door.
Police responded in force because they thought they were dealing with a domestic emergency.
Well, they were.
It's not known why Daigle, by the way, was giving his parrot a shower.
I have no idea why anybody would give a parrot a shower.
Maybe we have this cat named Yeti, you know, for Bigfoot.
He does have big feet.
Big Paul is a big cat.
And he loves to go into the shower.
If you open the shower door for him, I mean, first of all, no matter what you're doing in any bathroom, he demands to be in.
He will scratch at the door until you let him in.
Sounds kind of like at the door, if you can hear that woman.
I can do it better.
And he will do that until you let him in.
And then if you open the shower door, he will go in there.
He wants to know what the shower is for.
And I can't tell you how many times I have been tempted to allow him in, close the door, and give him a life instructional lesson on exactly what showers are for.
But I've not done that yet.
And in view of Mr. Daigle's unfortunate fate, I guess I won't.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Hi.
I'm calling from Montana, and I need some information.
But There was one, they contacted another county that it was actually it happened in one particular county, and they weren't interested in going to look.
But it was like a a sheriff from three counties away that.
A tongue was completely removed all the way down back by the backbone.
A teat was removed, and then it was the same.
Like the genitalia was like they were trying to get to the ovary.
The sheriff that looked at it, he's seen three in one month, and he kept lifting up the leg, you know, which they thought was kind of weird, but there's like an incision, not an incision, but like an injection in that particular area.
And when they lifted the skin, there was bruising under that area, and it was green wherever there was like a particular injection or something.
It was green.
Yeah.
I mean, it's true.
And we just saw the pictures tonight and the video.
And the other cattle would not go around it, except for the bulls were just like throwing a fit.
And they've been farming or ranching for 30 years, and they've never, ever had this happen.
Some of the cattle have been moved over the years.
And the United States Air Force, as well as some of the other medevac people, have an electronic laser pin.
And some of the stuff that I've seen going in and taking a series of tests to see if there's been any long-range effects from a test back in the 60s.
Maybe, maybe not.
But another thing is...
Yeah, one other thing, maybe if Richard comes on, I was wondering some of the things that's going on at Devon Island with the Stanford Research Genome Project.
They're doing a lot of things up there pertaining to Mars research and things of that nature.
There's an awful lot of recent news, as you know, on Mars.
The discovery of these incredibly gigantic canals that carried enough water to fill Earth's oceans, or at least some of them.
I mean, just a tremendous amount of water.
The gases that have been interpreted as carrying life from some of the material digested by one of our robots, very controversial, but a lot of news on Mars.
Mars is a really, really intriguing place.
And Richard C. Hoagland, no doubt, is going to have a lot to say about it this coming Thursday.
But it just glided across and just glided through there.
And I mean, I called my son out, and he saw it also.
And it had three lights on the back of it and seemed to have, as it got further away, it seemed like there was a red light that appeared every now and then it would come on, go on.
And I don't know if anyone else saw it or not.
I just wondered if anybody in the area did, that they might call in and be interested in find out if anybody else saw it.
One question that you would have to ask yourself, and I ask myself all the time, is if it would be an alien craft, surely it would not need navigation lights.
And yet the one I saw had, in effect, I don't know if they were navigation lights, but it had lights.
And why would an alien craft have lights?
You would think it wouldn't need them.
It could disappear.
It could morph.
It could do whatever it is those craft do, but the one I saw had lights, too.
That might indicate it's one of ours.
What do you think?
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You are all the woman I need And baby you know it Don't give me Don't give me Don't give me To get this baby up here A crown of a hole I'll give you all that I want You got me standing in my head I'm in the soul We're all born into this house and riders on the storm of life, aren't we?
This night, we're going to ride into a cemetery and we're going ghost hunting.
Would you like to come along?
The Ghost Investigators Society is next with recordings from the other side.
Hey, listen, very quickly, I thought this was exceptionally cool.
I'm going to do an advertisement for Hardin Optical in a moment, but Eric Martin, who bought a telescope just like mine, just like the one you can get, took a photograph of the moon.
He writes, a photo of the moon, I took with the telescope you advertised.
I just put my Sony Makva looking through the eyepiece, and I sure would like to know how Eric has done this.
I put the photograph on my website because it is astounding.
How did you do that?
I tried the same thing.
Of course, I didn't get my camera down to the macro level, which is what I should have done, I suppose.
But he got a remarkable picture for just putting a camera up to the eyepiece of a telescope.
Absolutely astounding.
And that's on the website right now at artbell.com.
If you wish, take a look.
In the meantime, let's tell you all about it.
And now, the Ghost Investigators Society, originated by Jenny Nielsen, Roger, and Barbara Macbeth, and Brendan Cook.
Brendan is the webmaster of the GIS website, and we've got a link to it on our site.
He has been conducting ghost research and ghost investigations in the field for the last three years.
Brendan was very skeptical about EVP.
That's electronic voice phenomena.
Until that is, he recorded EVP for himself.
Three and one half years ago, it happened.
Now it can happen for you too.
And if you'll listen closely tonight, they'll tell you how you can do it if you have the cojones for it.
His desire to learn how EVP happens has been the driving force in his continuation of conducting ghost research and investigations.
His goal is to help explain the phenomena of EVP.
Since Barbara was a small child and able to read, she has researched and read everything she could get her hands on concerning true ghost experiences, from true ghost stories of experiencers, to case files from ghost researchers in the field, plus her own interviews with those who have experienced ghost phenomena.
Although she grew up with grandparents who had practiced spiritualism and she indulged in it herself until she reached young adulthood, her views have changed over the years toward the entities that she used to deal with in her seances and the ghosts that linger in our realm.
She was raised not to fear the entities who were in her house as a child and does not fear the ghosts who remain among us.
She's been researching and investigating for over 30 years.
Here would be the two of them, Brendan and Barbara.
I mean, if you die and then you remain about to wander and scare people occasionally and God knows what a ghost does, you know, in a full ghost day, for example, but it doesn't sound particularly appealing.
That would mean that they had some sort of tragic Occurrence in their life where they had a very sad life, something that caused their spirit not to be able to move forward as it is supposed to.
Yeah, but you know, we also tend to believe, you know, they have a choice on if they want to go or not.
And if they choose to stay here, it might end up being the wrong choice because they're forced to just stay and watch their loved ones, but they can't interact with them in any way.
Why would you think that graveyards, this is another thing that bothers me, you see, that graveyards would be a rich location in which to go searching for electronic voice phenomena?
In other words, if I were a ghost, you know, I don't do a lot of visiting of graveyards here in life.
You know, they're kind of depressing in their way, right?
And I understand, too, you may not feel that way at all.
But for most people, graveyards are not exactly, you know, a happy place.
That's right.
And so then, if you're a ghost, are you, for example, required to hang around your old decaying physical body?
You know, there's a lot of theories on why a lot of the word here.
A lot of ghosts would manifest in graveyards.
There's a lot of theories of why they would.
But I tend to go along with one theory that would suggest that their religion in life claimed that at a certain time God would come back and there'd be paradise on earth, but they had to stay by their body up until that point.
And that might be why they have to stay in a cemetery where their body's at or a mausoleum or wherever it's at.
So there's no chance, none whatsoever, that the voices were from some previous recording, because that would be the first conclusion that everybody nearly would jump to.
We've all heard partially erased or poorly erased tapes, and you can get some pretty eerie things from those, but that simply would not be the case with what you're doing.
And, you know, I'm really glad you mentioned that because the last couple of shows we've done with you, we have had people email us saying, oh, you've introduced me to the idea of EVP, and I'm so glad you guys discovered this.
And we don't want people to think that at all.
I mean, we did not discover this.
This has been around for a long, long time.
And all we're doing is, you know, researching it as much as we can and hopefully taking it to a different level than the people who've done it before us, Radave and so on.
Yes, in fact, I just recently was reading about his viewpoints on being able to contact with the dead, and he felt very strongly that the phone or the recorder was capable of being able to make contact.
Why do you think that a disincarnate spirit would have an easier time, and I don't think you're going to be able to answer this, an easier time.
Do you think that it has something to do with the fact that we are electrical impulses, we are electric magnetic beings in the first place, and so therefore imprinting something on a magnetic medium like a tape?
You know, and I'm glad you brought this up, too, because we do have a lot of people who email us saying this is so scary, and I can't believe you do this.
My wife comes back with some pretty harrowing stories from the supermarket.
But seriously, if a ghost was, I suppose as uninvolved strangers, why then you may be all right.
But if a ghost is capable of going after somebody for vengeance to get revenge for their own death or somebody else's, but probably their own, then that means they're capable of manifesting something or another in life, right?
Otherwise, how do you exact vengeance as a disembodied spirit?
If one really negative thing were to happen to you, you know, physically, some physical thing, I mean, something flies through the air and hits you, you feel a choking, something awful like that, would that be enough to turn you away from any further work in this area?
You know, you want to find out, you know, are they trying to get your attention or is it something that's happening just because of their energy, of what they're feeling that's causing some kind of event to take place just from their energy alone?
We've got tonight with us Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook.
But there are five members of the GIS, the Ghost Investigators Society, and they've had incredible experiences involving ghosts during their investigations, such as being touched by unseen hands, hugged, slapped, experiencing unexplicable cold spots, having objects thrown at them, sightings with a naked eye, experiencing unexplainable fragrances and odors, objects appearing, hearing unexplainable sounds, and voices from nowhere.
The society believes that the GIS website has some of the most astounding EVPs ever recorded and also shows how our consciousness survives after the body dies.
Coming up in a moment, we're going to explore some of those recordings, recent recordings, onto blank tapes of voices from the other side.
Now, into the darkness of the night and the cemetery, in case you didn't want to do it yourself, that's why we have these two with us this morning, and we're going to explore some of the recordings recently made by the Ghost Investigators Society in the middle of graveyards or crematoriums or wherever.
So, you two, welcome back.
I guess we should begin at the beginning, and I know there's sort of an explanation that goes with each one of these, so why don't you talk to me about the first one?
Well, actually, nobody had been reported who had passed away in this house.
This lady had just contacted me one day and had, I mean, she was frantic when she had contacted me saying, I think my house is haunted.
You know, how soon can you guys be here?
I had tried getting some other ghost groups here, and no one would respond to her or get back with her, so she got a hold of us, and we came out that night.
Well, if I thought my house was haunted, I had heard things and seen things, and then I invited you all over and you came up with that, the next call would be to a priest.
Well, you know, first of all, what we'll do is, well, I mean, obviously, we know, no one else would know this, but us that know each other would know that's no one else's voice.
I mean, that does not sound like anybody, you know, that was there.
And on top of that, me and Roger were the only two guys there, and you hear both our voices in that clip.
And it's an obvious man's voice.
The other thing is that once we get this voice and extract it and put it onto the computer, we'll render it to a WAV file and then search through the ELF range, which is extremely low frequency.
And that's actually how we determine if it is a ghost voice or not.
Actually, number three was done in the same cemetery as the last voice.
And at this time, this was in the summer, this was only, I believe, last month, we had been sitting inside of my car because we didn't want to get out.
There was just a cloud of mosquitoes in front of us.
And we just sat in the car and had turned on the tape recorders and the video camera.
And everybody had been quiet at the time this voice came in.
And it's just a real whispery, I just got an idea.
That bothers me a little because I've always preferred to think, to be honest with you two, that a ghost is nothing but a remnant of a human soul, that it is, in fact, not the human soul itself, not consciousness, as it were, but I just got an idea would be something that would come, in my opinion, from a current consciousness.
I mean, personally, doesn't it bother the two of you to be confirming to yourselves that consciousness exists after death and it may well exist here on earth in an incarnate state?
I mean, I think it's fantastic if we had sound proof that we continue, that when we die physically, that we are still going on, that we just don't stop.
It's wonderful, in my opinion, if you go to a different place, for example, they call heaven, you know, or a different dimension or something like that.
But to imagine you're hanging about on earth trapped, as it were, until something better happens and you rise to the other place.
You know, actually, a lot of times, they're extremely open to it.
In fact, one of the cemeteries we do quite a bit, we actually had the police sit there and watch us do it because they were interested in what we were doing.
All right, so we were in this cemetery, and Brendan and Roger had wandered off together, and me and Jenny were going through it together, and this was in the dark, and Jenny sounded like she stepped in water.
And when we shined the flashlight down, there was no water, and the ground was dry.
And she was telling Roger and Brendan about it when they came back to where we were.
And you'll hear Jenny say, it sounded like I stepped in water, and this voice says she did, although she didn't.
We thought maybe there was like a puddle from them watering or something in there, you know, earlier in the day, but the ground was dry and there was no water.
And unfortunately, we could only put a few onto this CD.
But this was from a man named Brian.
He had lived in Maine.
And he had heard us on the show and decided to go out and try it.
And he had just went to his local cemetery and picked up this voice, which it sounds to me like it's saying store, but there seems to be another word before that.
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But when he had edited the WAV file, he cut it off.
Yeah, I believe it's because it takes a lot of energy for them to do this.
And I think it's also something they learn.
And I know Barbara thinks the same way.
It's something that they end up learning, and I don't think a lot of them have the skills to do it, but it also takes a lot of energy for them to be able to put this onto the tape.
Do you believe that they are able to hear you in full, unlike the way you're able to hear them?
In other words, you only catch very brief snatches of what they're saying, and yet they seem to be responding many times to what you're doing or saying, which would imply that they are able to monitor you almost full-time?
It almost sounds like it is saying something, but when we actually heard it at the time, it almost sounded like a woman's scream, but it sounds like it is saying something, but I can't tell what it is.
And, you know, there are also a lot of people who say, look, what you're doing is going to lead to an open door policy for things that you might not like walking through the door.
And I'm sure that's been said to you as well, hasn't it?
I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A Investigator.
Good morning, everybody.
We're investigating the Ghost Investigators Society and Voices from Beyond the Grave.
These are recorded on totally empty tapes, completely empty tapes, and then processed on a computer.
And we'll ask about that in a moment, as well as what our investigators plan to do when they are gone.
And as we all face mortality, and certainly they're no different, I'm sure they have plans.
At least I would imagine they have plans themselves to try and get back with some sort of message.
At any rate, we'll ask about all of that.
Stay right where you are.
Back now to the Ghost Investigators Society, represented in this case by my two guests, Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook.
You two, welcome back.
Now, when you all pass away, have you ever, I'm sure in the hours that you while away in cemeteries and crematoriums and mausoleums, you've probably talked about your own mortality from time to time, haven't you?
Well, this one was recorded in a Head Start building for migrants.
And it's weird because we had a lot of high activity on our EMF meter.
And in this one area...
It's an electromagnetic field detector.
It just detects variations in the electromagnetic field, which, as I said before, I think ghosts tend to either manipulate or create an electromagnetic field.
And in fact, this is one of the voices where it was really close to where we were getting a high peak on the EMF detector where we recorded this voice.
The only thing we ask, and we do somewhat differently, is we do use an external mic just to cut down the background noise of the motor on the tape recorder.
The reason I say this is because if they electromagnetically imprint this on the tape, the implication would be they don't need a microphone to do that.
The reason I say this is because you could put a preamplifier on a microphone and, of course, greatly extend a microphone's range of ability to pick up even the tiniest voice or noise.
And see, we haven't done that because we're, I mean, we fund this all ourselves, so we're limited in what we can do, although I'm sure those aren't really that expensive.
And it does sound like it's saying, what's so funny.
See, all of these, or most of these, really imply to me that we've got an ongoing current consciousness, commenting on the situation, or commenting on something that you all have said in the immediate area, and that just chills me to the bone.
I believe that we get such a good response because of how we are with them.
We treat them like they're people.
We're quite laid back, even though we're very serious about what we're doing.
We invite them to join in our conversation and talk with us because people have a tendency not to butt in people's conversations that they don't know and aren't invited to.
And so we always invite them to be with us and to talk with us and join in.
During the recording of this particular CD that we're pulling these from, there was perhaps a little too much treble added, we should tell the audience.
And so there might be a little bit of the audio that you should be hearing missing from these, right?
And it had occurred after, well, it occurred while I was burning the CD, but I didn't realize until after I had sent it that there had been a problem with the treble in the audio.
I will probably never find out until after I die, but everything that has ever happened and the occurrences and the responses that we get, I just find fascinating.
About the only other possibility, you two, that I can imagine, and I'm going to rule it out, but it's a possibility, is that you could be in a graveyard adjacent to a radio station, for example, and a radio station's RF could get into a tape recorder.
But that just doesn't wash because you've done it from too many locations.
If it was just one location and there was a radio station nearby, one could imagine you'd get occasional bursts of something or another, but obviously not with all of the separate recordings in so many places that you have done.
There will be times when there will be like two, three, or four of us that are taping, and only one person will pick up a voice, and the others are in close proximity where they should have also picked it up, and they won't pick it up.
We do find a lot more of the times that they're just interacting with what we're doing.
When we're not even directing stuff at them, they'll interact with us talking between each other and just kind of butt in like they're part of the conversation.
This next one that we're going to be doing, we all heard different things, so we've just got question marks on it because we can't come to an agreement on what it says.
I would say something like, look, there are a lot of relatives of people who are buried in the cemetery that I preside over, and they might object to what you're doing.
If somebody's coming and visiting a grave site, they might object to what you're doing if you're there with a group and a recorder and all the rest of it.
I have been, I had an occasion once where I had walked into a building that I had just walked out of, and I had turned and walked back in, and there was a horrendous odor.
I mean, it was just a putrid smell.
Hit me in the face.
And I had to leave before I got sick.
And I knew nobody else smelled it.
There was no way that they could stay in there and not get sick.
What about these temperature drops that I hear about?
I'm told that when there's this kind of activity, when something comes across from the other side, whether it be a voice or an apparition or whatever it is, that frequently the temperature drops.
We've actually seen some really dramatic temperature changes.
For one instance, I believe it was last summer, we were in a cemetery that we it was the first time we had ever investigated it, and we haven't actually been back since just because we haven't had the time.
But I think we probably documented almost a 50-degree temperature drop in one area.
What we'll do is once we find something we question as an EVP, we upload it, extract it from the tape onto the computer, transfer it to a WAV file, and we use CoolEdit.
It's the easiest thing to use.
And that'll basically give you everything that you need to know about the voice.
It'll give you statistics, frequency, everything.
And from there, if we go to post it on the site, we'll downsample it so it's a small file size and everyone can download it.
Or if we're, say, using it for a radio show, we re-upsample it and transfer it to a CD.
Are you able ever to attach meaning to what's said and or does it happen later?
In other words, either sparked by your conversation or by a story of the place or a story of a haunting that had been there, meaning to what's being said to you?
Well, it's something you just end up, when you do it as much as we've been doing it and spending as many hours a week as we do it, you just end up getting used to it almost.
And you just look for the more active places to experience more things.
No, we had just arrived to the location to do the investigation, and I was getting my equipment out of my bag, and the only thing I can think of is that it was saying, oh, my, to what I was, the equipment I was getting out.
Do you ever, when playing these finally for somebody on the outside, after discussing them yourselves and coming up with what you think it said, get corrected when you hear somebody else say, oh, no, it's saying so-and-so?
Yeah, there have been times that we've had something even posted on the website where it's called something else, and then somebody will say, no, no, I think it says this.
Now, obviously, as a result of this program, as well as the others we have done, people are going to go and try this themselves.
A brand new tape, folks, never recorded on, a recorder of some sort, and then an external microphone so you don't pick up the machine noises, you know, the motor running in the tape recorder.
It'll kind of put a rumble in there.
But if they get these, you welcome people to send them in to you?
All right, well, this last one, actually, we had played this on your last show, and we just got so many responses from it that we decided we'd play it again just to let people hear it who didn't have a computer or anything.
All right.
What had happened was we had been called to do a live investigation with the local Fox affiliate here in Utah, and we had been called to an old military fort called Fort Douglas.
And this is kind of interesting because it's a little child's voice, and the lights had just been turned on, but you hear the little child say, it's dark in here.
Yeah, you know, I had a short story to relate to your guest related to their work and a question on personal safety.
I recently took a trip to England and visited Edinburgh, Scotland, and was fortunate to go on a ghost tour with a local witch, a gentleman, and he took us to a place, dates probably back to the 15th century.
It was a churchyard, and he was telling us their estimates were from various events, and particularly the plague, that there were over 250,000 people buried in an area that's probably 50 by 100 yards.
And the way they achieved that was by laying the bodies out and I guess letting them deflesh some and then crushing the bones into the soil.
So we have an extreme, or they had an extreme amount of souls potentially there.
Well, I'm 41 years old, and I guess since I've been a child, I've had certain skills empathically to pick up on things, but I tend to keep it at bay.
And at this point in being in that yard or in that churchyard, I got some really overwhelming feelings going down.
And I was with about 15 other people, and he related a story to us about a poltergeist that exists there.
And it's supposedly related to a king's advocate and something that went on with the Scottish king and queen or whatever at that time.
I won't get into that, but they seem to think it's related to this individual and his curse and what have you.
But some three years ago, a 10-year-old boy was thrown 50 feet in the air by an unseen force against the wall and was nearly killed.
And the Edinburgh City Council, this is documented, locked off that section of that yard and won't let people go in there, anyone at all.
So it's got official seal on it.
Now, going into such areas as your guests do, did they ever think about powers like that and the dangers of those things?
Or ever, you know, or they're suggesting that other people go out and try this.
Now, is it possible that if somebody in the audience goes out to try this without the same, in quotes, healthy attitude that you all have, they might get a very different kind of response?
You know, and that really makes me wonder if it was an actual ghost as in what we deal with or more along the demon sense, which is something we don't even get into that area.
I've listened over the months, and other people have called in, maybe one or two that I remember, and they all refer to a particular shadow people as wearing a hat.
My two guests, of course, Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook from the GIS, the Ghost Investigators Society.
Not everybody in the world has a computer, folks.
If they want to get hold of you and they can't email you or get to your website, do you have any sort of address or phone number that you can give people?
So, and now what I'd like to say to Brendan, I seem to recall at one point or another, somebody was using a television set to try to communicate with the other side.
And a lot of this instrumental trans communication, which kind of falls into the level of EVP and also the television set, as the caller is referring to, a lot of it takes place in Germany and France.
Oh, that's really interesting because Ed Dames had something to say about television the other night.
Okay, there you go, caller.
Nothing apparently in this country, but in Europe they're doing a lot of.
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Well, there was a reason I called was I was referring to a book I had read about some guy here in the United States that had he was the ability to communicate with the other side through television.
People would actually come up and you could see their images on the screen.
So I saw pictures that were purported to be ghost people that were, you know, he puts it on a place where there's no station, of course, and there's just static.
And then after a while, he summons them and they appear.
I actually did take the advice after the last program and went to a cemetery and got pretty hair-raising results.
But I was wondering if you'd ever noticed any sort of pinging or something during a recording.
It was like what we had noticed during ours was that it would be like the static would start breaking down and then like a small ping or a like a popping sound or snapping.
We do, and there's been times where we get voices that just make no sense to what's going on, and it seems like it almost is just a playback of something that's happened there before.
I was wondering if anyone else picked up when, just before a voice starts and during the voice, there's like a high-pitched or echoey kind of thing going on, except for I didn't hear it on the growl when I was too busy listening to the growl.
But if anybody had heard that, if they had any ideas to what it was, if there's an echo going on where that entity is, or if it's other entities in the background that you're not picking up as well, or does anybody notice that?
Yeah, yeah, especially if you hear, you know, like one of you guys talking, and then right after that you hear the voice, and it's completely different.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook.
Good morning.
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Good morning.
At the bottom of the hour, you had a gentleman call, and he was saying he'd like some information if they've ever seen these beings dressed in black with these either about a fire.
We had two members visually see it looked like a, they said that it almost looked like Darth Vader type of a shadow.
They had walked down the road of a cemetery, and they came kind of hustling Back to where I had the camera set up on a tripod, and they said that it was quite large and it was going diagonal across the cemetery.
You know how a lot of the samples it'll play, it'll have this little feedback, but like during the voice or whatever, and it'll, like, I don't know, like a microphone, maybe, like, feedbacking or something.
It's weird.
What I'm trying to get at is once I had a video camera, and my friends and I, it was about nine years ago, we were messing around with it, and it ended up that week I had this haunting, and all these demonic pig growls came out over the videotape, and they went on for like three or four minutes.
You two, you know, we've talked about things demonic, and I know you try and stay away from it, but inevitably, I'm sure that you have recorded a few that you probably considered on the demonic side, yes?