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Aug. 6, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Brendan Cook, Barbara McBeath - GIS

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		A D W From the high desert in the great American southwest video, wherever you may be across this great land of ours and well beyond.
		This is coast to coast, A.M. Now cleared on over 500 radio stations internationally.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		To you, lots of things to do in the next hour.
		First hour is going to be more or less open lines and a few subjects to make you think.
		But next hour, Brendan Cook and Barbara McSpee are going to be here.
		They're the GIS people.
		What they do is pretty freaky, and you might want to ask yourself whether you want to really hear this or not.
		They take tape recorders into graveyards with blank tapes, tapes that have never been recorded on in any way, ever.
		And they record the voices of the departed.
		That's really the only conclusion you can come to.
		That's one they've come to, and we'll have those voices for you throughout the evening.
		All right, let's see.
		What's going on?
		Well, number one, the Bigfoot story of last week.
		The gentleman who had hit in a high-speed crash a 700-pound plus something that he thought might be a Bigfoot tried to get hold of Robert W. Morgan, and I just finally got a message from Robert W. tonight on my answering machine.
		He'll be available tomorrow.
		But because I couldn't get hold of him last week, I got hold of another investigator, one whose name you know.
		And this investigator has tried to get hold of the gentleman with the Bigfoot who claims now he has taken it to a vet.
		Now, the investigator is having trouble because, as you may recall, I advised him to enlist the confidence, the strict confidence of some sort of vet in the area and first and foremost find out if it was still alive and find out what he had on his hands, that sort of thing.
		I's shy of having an investigator to dispatch immediately.
		So he apparently, according to my investigator, says he has done that, although we have yet to contact the vet.
		So that's where things stand tonight.
		Tomorrow, Robert W. Morgan will be on this as well.
		Whether it is a true story or not, I have yet to determine personally.
		We'll see.
		We will see.
		Now, tomorrow night for me may be problematic.
		Tomorrow morning at 7-something or another in the morning, I'm going to go to a dentist.
		Oh, my God, do I hate going to the dentist?
		And this is going to be for a root canal that failed underneath one of my bridge, you know, so it's under a bridge, which is not going to come off short of major violence.
		And so what they're going to try and do, I guess, now we'll find out tomorrow morning, is to drill down through, imagine this.
		Just think about this, folks.
		Drill down through the bridge and then try to redo the root canal, which unaccountably failed.
		So we'll see what happens tomorrow.
		But it may be a little problematic.
		I don't know.
		We'll see.
		Let us examine briefly the World News.
		Bill Clinton to write memoirs.
		Now, whose memoirs do you think would be worth more dough?
		Bill Clinton, the president, the now ex-president, or his wife, the now present senator from New York?
		I don't know.
		I guess we're going to find out.
		Let's see.
		His advance is more than $10 million.
		$10 million?
		Well, for $10 million, there's going to have to be some sexy chapters, I would imagine.
		We'll have to wait and see.
		Tropical Storm Barry is, which, of course, blew across Florida, penhandled there in Alabama today, knocking down tree limbs and power lines and so forth and so on, now appears to be losing steam.
		Two cars on a roller coaster at Six Flags New England Park collided this afternoon, sending 22 people to hospitals with minor injuries.
		Has anybody noticed a sudden flurry of amusement park troubles, you know, rides caught in midair, pictures of people sort of hanging sideways about 100 feet in the air, waiting for rescue, that sort of thing.
		Been a lot of that lately for some reason.
		And, you know, it's like taking a plane flight.
		It's one of those things you think about.
		You look at this ride and you think, can I handle that many Gs?
		Then you think, do I want to handle that many Gs?
		And then you, of course, just for the briefest moment before you get on, wonder, hey, I wonder if those cars ever come off, you know, and go flying into midair or whatever.
		Well, occasionally they do.
		Now, some more serious news.
		From Matt Drudge and from all the networks, but in this case, Matt Drudge's article, a 21st century shock announcement is set to be made at the National Academy of Sciences in Washington on Thursday.
		Up to 200 women will soon be impregnated with cloned embryos in the world's first attempt to produce a human clone.
		The test, planned for November, possibly on a boat in international waters to avoid any political interference, is going to use a technique similar to that developed to produce Dolly Ziship.
		Up to 200 couples from several countries, including eight from Britain, are being selected for the cloning project.
	Italian embryologist Severino Antarinori, whose Rome clinic enabled a 62-year-old woman to have a baby in 1994, is planning to make the stunning announcement in the nation's capital.
	His team for the cloning drill, or drills, that is, consists of 20 international specialists.
	There will be no Americans in the test.
	According to an insider, White House sources warned that he will not be permitted to impregnate any of the women within U.S. borders.
	So, send in the clones.
	It was inevitable, I told you, if it has not occurred privately, which I already suspect it may have, here comes the first serious, full-blown public attempt.
	And we are going to have clones.
	What is your attitude about a clone?
	Would a clone, in your estimation, be entitled to all the civil rights, for example, afforded under the Constitution?
	Would a clone have a soul?
	Do we have souls?
	A question perhaps you must first answer before you can ask about a clone.
	I don't know.
	Will clones be indentured servants or something?
	Will there be no difference between a clone and anybody else?
	Will clones be used for body parts?
	Will clones be perhaps terrible miscalculations of I was going to say nature, but it's not really nature, is it?
	It's some doctor somewhere, in this case an Italian doctor.
	Remember, before they got Dali, they had a lot of misshapen disasters, and that could certainly occur with human beings as well.
	Listen carefully to this.
	Partly cloudy with a chance of corn husks.
	For some residents in East Wichita neighborhoods Friday afternoon, the weather was, in fact, that partly cloudy with a chance of corn husks.
	People in homes near 13th and Woodlawn reported seeing what looked like an extraordinarily large, dried corn husk, many of them, spiraling down from the sky at about 6 p.m.
	Paul Korn, yes, that's his real name, was playing host to a family reunion in his backyard in the 1,000 block of Vincent Lane on Friday afternoon.
	He said the family stopped swimming when they noticed something strange spiraling down from the sky.
	They waited for it to land to see what it was, but the frond came to rest just over the fence in a neighbor's yard.
	Then there were more and more, each one about 30 inches long and 3 inches wide.
	They just kept coming down.
	There had to, I don't know, be a thousand of these things.
	Hamley was curious enough to jump out of the pool and into the car, driving a short distance around the neighborhood, find more, which they did.
	No telling how many of the leaves fell, but several were seen lying across Armour Street between Central Avenue and 13th Street.
	Officials with Weather Data Inc., a local forecasting service, said they had received no reports from the corn husk shower, but a meteorologist there, Jeff House, seemed intrigued corn husks falling from the sky.
	Hmm, he said.
	That is odd.
	Could they have been stirred up by a tornado in some Iowa cornfield, blown hundreds of miles through thick summer air, only to billow down on backyards and driveways and eat East Wichita?
	That's a good thought, he said, but no chance.
	Not today.
	Our region, in fact, the whole country, was tornado-free on Friday.
	Wasn't even particularly windy, he said, just hot.
	So maybe August turned that Iowa cornfield into popcorn, and the remnant husks exploded into the atmosphere.
	Nope.
	House says doubtful.
	Whatever it was, it was probably caused by man.
	Some residents speculated the leaves fell from a plane.
	Air traffic authorities could not be reached for comment Friday night.
	One more theory.
	University of Nebraska fans were behind it.
	Gearing up for yet another Corn Husker football season, they decided to blanket their southern rivals in a giant, an ingenious, we might add, Corn Husker practical joke.
	But nobody buys that one.
	So anybody out there have any thoughts on how husks of corn, thousands of them, could rain from the sky upon Wichita?
	One local said it's a magical place.
	Just a magical place, he joked.
	It's the land of Oz.
	That's about as good a guess as any of the others we've had.
	All right, a couple of items to take care of, and then back to it.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's take a look here at this.
		Every now and then somebody will send an email that catches my fancy, and some of you, I'm sure, remember the near-death experience of Sarah, a young church worker.
		Remember that?
		Who went to hell and back?
		And then, of course, Daniel Brinkley, who went someplace or another with Crystal Cities.
		And I've, you know, Daniel's in his past not been the prime example of Martin Luther King-type behavior.
		Let's put it that way.
		And he got to go to Crystal Cities while Sarah went, you know, somewhere else.
		And I got the following.
		Hi, Art.
		Wanted to send this email for several years now, but I keep thinking you'll get it sometime soon, but I guess not.
		So here's a reason why Danion didn't go where Sarah did.
		You recall the point where Sarah went into the room where all manner of torture and human degradation was being performed, right?
		Yes, of course.
		And you must recall how Sarah pointed out that she realized that anyone could leave at any time if they could only see it, right?
		Again.
		Well, Hell Art, you know damn good and well that if Daniel had gone there, he would have known he belonged there.
		And he would still be there now.
		Therefore, his experience had to be different if he were to bring any useful information back.
		Sarah, on the other hand, knew she didn't belong there.
		This allowed her to have the experience in such a way that she could pass it on to us without being trapped there.
		This has always seemed obvious to me.
		Hope you see it now, too.
		Well, it wasn't always obvious to me, but it is now.
		Well said, Richard from Greeley, Colorado, thank you very much.
		He's exactly right, isn't he?
		And then somebody wrote this to me.
		This would be the single most egotistical.
		Now, we have hit 500 stations with a show, which is really something, and I'm very proud of it.
		But listen to this from Kevin.
		Art congrats on reaching the 500 club.
		600 seems a slam dunk.
		Inevitably, you will surpass Limbaugh in affiliations.
		Immortality appears assured.
		You should ask Ed Dames to scan the future for the site of your statue.
		Then buy the land, buy the land, and wait for the Monument Selection Committee to request the certain purchase.
		Jack the price up and make a big killing, big enough to afford the aircraft of your dreams, whichever it may be.
		And then you and Ramona can tour the world by air.
unidentified		You started thinking about that a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we are on top of the heap, right?
		And we imagine we're going to go to the very top of the heap, and we're going to get a remote viewer to view the spot of our own monument.
		Not illegally, a little bit egotistical, huh?
		Monument.
		And then, moreover, you find that spot, you buy it up ahead of time, and sell it to those who would be erecting your monument for a huge profit with which you buy an aircraft to travel about at your whim and will.
		What planet did you come from, Kevin?
		Aye, aye, aye.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello?
		Going once, going twice, gone.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		How about that train through the night?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how you doing?
unidentified		Okay, this is Dave and Christopher.
		For one thing, I wanted to mention that it's, well, it's just a good thing that it wasn't Iowa where these things were falling because can you imagine thousands of buckeyes coming on people's heads?
		Secondly, kudos for getting these people on tonight.
		You've made a household really, really thin.
		You know, just great.
		We're glad to hear they're on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're not going to get scared away, huh?
unidentified		Oh, no, no.
		We're going to be there till you say goodbye on this one, as every night.
		But still, I'm glad you're back.
		And my main question is, when's Richard coming?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When is Richard coming?
unidentified		Coming on, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, on the air?
		Yeah.
		Let's see.
		Richard C. Hoagland is going to be on this week, and it looks to me like Thursday.
		Full show?
		Sure.
		When does Richard do less than a full show?
		Well, occasionally he does.
unidentified		Well, occasionally he comes in does 30, which, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Richard will always fill the allotted time available.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Richard.
unidentified		Okay, how's your back?
unidentified		Better now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call, sir.
		Thank you.
		I'm not going to talk about my back.
		It is what it is.
		And I'm just going to verboden talk.
		Nobody is allowed to talk about it.
		That's a new rule, by the way.
		I cannot imagine anything more boring than having to listen to anybody else's medical condition.
		So I appreciate the concern, but that's a rule here now.
		I just, I don't do it.
		I mean, who wants to hear about it?
		We can have a medical condition night, and people could be calling in from all over the world telling us about their various medical conditions.
unidentified		Now, there'd be a real ratings grabber, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've had this arthritis art down in my right knee for a long time, and we could go from there, and we could take individual cases for a long time.
		So, no back talk.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, I'm kind of from Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Chicago, the windy city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing, sir?
unidentified		You're very good.
		Thank you.
		I've been listening to the Art Book Show for many, many years, and I have some mistakes to tell them.
		I think they have Open Lines, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have what?
unidentified		Open Lines?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Open Lines, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Open Lines.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you don't get it, do you?
		This is art, and you are on the air.
		See, when I answered the phone, I said, you're on the air.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
unidentified		It's just so wonderful to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can I do for you, sir?
unidentified		First of all, I like to admire your show, and I had many experiences in my life, which is really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's something wrong with your phone.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
		Let me just bring the antenna.
		Is it better now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're on a cell phone, aren't you?
unidentified		I am, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we've only got about a minute, so let it rip.
unidentified		Okay, I just want to say about I believe in all the show you have about the spirituality because I had many, many in contact myself with those things.
		When I was eight and a half years old, I was there when my father passed away.
		Yes.
		And I saw exactly the whole process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw the process of your father passing away?
unidentified		In eight and a half years old, and I still remember it.
		And that was the main thing which really encouraged me to go and find out what it was.
		And after I studied a lot of books, I believe in spirituality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that probably, sir, is what gets most of us going with regard to human immortality.
		When we see it, we wonder about ourselves, don't we?
		And so it gets you moving in the area of inquiring about spirituality.
		Because what choice do you have?
		There is an alternative, but it's dead black nothing.
unidentified		Doing alright.
		A little driving on a Saturday night.
		Come walk me.
		Gonna dance the day away.
		Come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you heard about the child who was killed in the MRI machine when somebody rolled an oxygen bottle into the room and it took flight and smashed the poor child's skull.
		Now, from Portland, Oregon, a man undergoing a routine MRI scan for his wrist at a medical center in Oregon had to frantically escape the machine after the padding around his arm caught fire.
		Randy Retig, 36 of West Lynn, went in Saturday for a diagnostic scan of a nagging wrist injury suffered in a snowboarding accident last winter.
		He was lying face down on a gurney, aimed headfirst into the machine's giant magnet, his left arm extended over his head.
		Well, about 20 minutes into the scheduled 25-minute procedure, Reddig, who'd been suffering mild claustrophobia, I understand that, said he began to smell a terrible chemical smell.
		And then there was smoke.
		He opened his eyes and saw flames on his left arm.
		Not exactly what you would want in the middle of that procedure, in the middle of that tube.
		He screamed, predictably, pushed himself backward out of the machine.
		The flaming foam rubber sleeve around his left arm fell off, and an attendant who rushed into the room doused the sleeve in a nearby sink.
		The fire department was not called.
		He wasn't burned, save the hair on his arm, singed.
		In the frantic effort to extricate himself from the machine, though, he did, in fact, re-injure his wrist.
		So I'm not exactly sure what's going on with MRIs lately.
		All I know is I'm awfully glad that I didn't get to read these stories before I went in for mine.
		Well, this is something from Quebec City in Canada.
		And for Canada for now, anyway.
		An elderly Canadian man was said to be recovering last Thursday following a savage attack by his pet cat.
		Get this, which drew four carloads of police, two ambulances, and an animal control officer.
		The National Post newspaper said that Gerald Daigle, 80, lost no less than a pint of blood and required stitches after his cat Turoti, a diminutive roughly meaning tiny, launched a frenzied attack at Daigle, who was apparently, check this out, giving his pet parrot a shower, inadvertently spraying the cat with water.
		Daigle, who lives in Quebec, halfway between Montreal and Quebec City, could not be reached for comment on Thursday.
		The newspaper said he was saved by his 81-year-old wife, who wrestled, wrenched the cat away, only to have it then turn on her.
		The paper quoted Daigle as saying, the cat wanted to eat her too.
		The couple managed to chase that cat into the bedroom, slam the door.
		Police responded in force because they thought they were dealing with a domestic emergency.
		Well, they were.
		It's not known why Daigle, by the way, was giving his parrot a shower.
		I have no idea why anybody would give a parrot a shower.
		Maybe we have this cat named Yeti, you know, for Bigfoot.
		He does have big feet.
		Big Paul is a big cat.
		And he loves to go into the shower.
		If you open the shower door for him, I mean, first of all, no matter what you're doing in any bathroom, he demands to be in.
		He will scratch at the door until you let him in.
		Sounds kind of like at the door, if you can hear that woman.
		I can do it better.
		And he will do that until you let him in.
		And then if you open the shower door, he will go in there.
		He wants to know what the shower is for.
		And I can't tell you how many times I have been tempted to allow him in, close the door, and give him a life instructional lesson on exactly what showers are for.
		But I've not done that yet.
		And in view of Mr. Daigle's unfortunate fate, I guess I won't.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm calling from Montana, and I need some information.
		There's been a series of cattle mutilations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More cattle mutilations in Montana.
unidentified		Well, we have very, very close friends that just had cattle mutilated in their summer pasture just a few days ago.
		And they've taken pictures, and the sheriff went out there.
		The local papers done kind of a big write-up, but they don't have a lot of information, and we haven't found a lot of mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number one, would you mind sending me copies of the photographs?
unidentified		No, we have a video as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I prefer photographic copies if you have them.
unidentified		Okay, I can send photographs.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number two, you should probably...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should probably...
unidentified		Well, one of the county sheriffs and I believe the local newspaper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		But There was one, they contacted another county that it was actually it happened in one particular county, and they weren't interested in going to look.
unidentified		But it was like a a sheriff from three counties away that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the manner of the mutilation?
unidentified		An eyeball was extracted.
		A tongue was completely removed all the way down back by the backbone.
		A teat was removed, and then it was the same.
		Like the genitalia was like they were trying to get to the ovary.
		The sheriff that looked at it, he's seen three in one month, and he kept lifting up the leg, you know, which they thought was kind of weird, but there's like an incision, not an incision, but like an injection in that particular area.
		And when they lifted the skin, there was bruising under that area, and it was green wherever there was like a particular injection or something.
		It was green.
		Yeah.
		I mean, it's true.
		And we just saw the pictures tonight and the video.
		And the other cattle would not go around it, except for the bulls were just like throwing a fit.
		And they've been farming or ranching for 30 years, and they've never, ever had this happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a veterinarian examining the carcass?
unidentified		Well, no.
		I mean, they had the sheriff go and look.
		I mean, they know plenty of veterinarians, but at this point, it's like probably three days old, so the maggots have kind of gotten to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll tell you what.
		You contact me by email, if you would.
		Are you able to do that?
unidentified		Yeah, is this Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, honey.
		If you would contact me with the photographs at artbell at mindspring.com, I will do two things.
		One, I will get the photographs up for all to see, and two, I will put you in touch with a reporting agency to get this investigated pronto.
unidentified		Right, that's what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do the wild thing at 775-727-1295.
		Oh, hold on.
		I don't want you to give your last name on the air, Hunter.
		Sorry, I took that out.
		Your first name is Laura.
		We'll let it go at that.
		Contact me, and I'll proceed.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		What in the world could these animal mutilations be?
		Or would it be out of this world?
		I have thought and rethought and thought about this again and again and again.
		And here we are in the middle of it once again.
		And I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams what earthly force could be doing this.
		And do you realize that in all the years of cattle mutilations, and there have been so many, nobody has ever been convicted of the crime.
		And it is a crime.
		Nobody has been convicted.
		With all of those years going by and all of those mutilations, for that to be the case, there almost has to be some external force at work.
		The only question is, what external force and why?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, hello.
		Good morning.
		I'm calling about the Common Mutations Officer.
		I've done a little bit of research involving those, and they seem to be in the area of the dispersion of some of the nuclear tests.
		Have I seen where the United States?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that would not necessarily, sir, be Montana.
unidentified		No, but some of those areas are wide-ranging.
		Some of the cattle have been moved over the years.
		And the United States Air Force, as well as some of the other medevac people, have an electronic laser pin.
		And some of the stuff that I've seen going in and taking a series of tests to see if there's been any long-range effects from a test back in the 60s.
		Maybe, maybe not.
		But another thing is...
		Yeah, one other thing, maybe if Richard comes on, I was wondering some of the things that's going on at Devon Island with the Stanford Research Genome Project.
		They're doing a lot of things up there pertaining to Mars research and things of that nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, we'll certainly ask.
		There's an awful lot of recent news, as you know, on Mars.
		The discovery of these incredibly gigantic canals that carried enough water to fill Earth's oceans, or at least some of them.
		I mean, just a tremendous amount of water.
		The gases that have been interpreted as carrying life from some of the material digested by one of our robots, very controversial, but a lot of news on Mars.
		Mars is a really, really intriguing place.
		And Richard C. Hoagland, no doubt, is going to have a lot to say about it this coming Thursday.
		West of the Rockies, you are upon the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Richard C. Hoagland, no.
unidentified		Hello, Arrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay, got it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, welcome.
unidentified		You're talking about the parrot taking a shower, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it didn't exactly take a shower.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was given a shower by this man.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, we had parrots when I was younger, and they loved to take a shower.
		That's the way they get in there, and they'll clean their feathers off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's not an odd thing to give a parrot a shower.
unidentified		Oh, it wouldn't for us.
unidentified		I don't know that everybody that has one does it, but they really like getting in a shower, especially if you start them from when they're real young.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, that explains that.
		It doesn't explain why this cat would so viciously attack his owner simply because he got sprayed with a little bit of water.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Well, maybe the cat didn't like water, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the cat.
		Maybe there was something.
		Well, there's cats and there's birds.
		And birds and cats have traditionally not had a good relationship.
		So maybe, maybe the cat thought the bird sprayed him.
unidentified		Yeah, or maybe he thought the bird was doing something to his owner, or maybe something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could be it, too.
		All right, sir.
		I appreciate it.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, that could be true.
		I suppose, what greater insult than to be sprayed with water by a bird, if you're a cat.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		It is.
unidentified		Oh, gosh, I can't believe I got through to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet you have.
unidentified		This is Jenny in St. Petersburg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jenny.
unidentified		You know, I just discovered your show.
		I can't believe it, but I just discovered it about three months ago.
		And I'm just delighted.
		In listening to some of your guests, I've realized things about myself that I didn't understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
		And it's quite good.
		Tell me.
unidentified		Well, one thing I realized that I definitely saw a shadow person about 10 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I had convinced myself that it was my imagination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
unidentified		But it wasn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		And I also have realized now that I have been remote viewing all my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, people say that, but I'm not so sure that you know remote viewing.
		Well, you probably are psychic.
		But remote viewing is such a specific discipline.
		You must go to school virtually or get tapes that will instruct you because it's so specific in protocols.
		It's probably fair to say you've been psychic all your life.
unidentified		Well, that's probably true.
		As a matter of fact, when I was a teenager, it happened to me all the time.
		And I was living in such a dysfunctional family and was so afraid that I sort of suppressed it because it frightened me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		know something?
		I'm beginning to wonder if anybody...
		I mean, it's like they're all dysfunctional.
		Do you know anybody in a fully functional Ozzie and Harriet kind of family?
unidentified		Well, now that I'm older, I know that that's true.
unidentified		But when I was a teenager, I thought that my family was the only one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only one?
		No.
		No, no, no, no.
unidentified		And in fact, last week, I called the Washington Police Department and told them about a vision that I had had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this Washington, D.C.?
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay.
		About the Chandra Levy case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Now, I thought that they would think that I was just crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
unidentified		And the man that I talked to was very receptive to what I was telling him.
unidentified		And in listening to your guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Dames?
unidentified		Yes, what I told this man fits in with what he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that is interesting.
unidentified		And in fact, they probably have a record of my phone call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They probably do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I record them all.
unidentified		When I talked to him, he pulled up my name and my telephone number.
		He said, is this so-and-so?
		It's such and such a phone number.
		I said, yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, they basically have a readout of all of that, you know.
unidentified		So I didn't even know what I was saying to him.
		All I told him was what I saw.
		And now after listening to your guest, what I saw fits in with what he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, time will tell for the both of you.
unidentified		Well, I'd really like to get in touch with your guest because now I'm so excited.
		I really want to talk to him and, you know, maybe get some training in it.
		And I am really interested in that missing children because I actually have found a missing child through my remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I appreciate it.
		But again, what you're doing is not remote viewing, not technically, because to remote view, you have to utilize specific and very strict protocols.
		And people say that.
		I've been remote viewing all my life.
		No, you really haven't.
		You've been psychic.
		And there are many people who are lifelong psychics.
		Some of them would be indeed well advised to take remote viewing training.
		And they would sharpen and hone their skills.
		And the best remote viewers, indeed, though not easily trained, are those natural psychics.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, I'd like to talk about something I saw the other night, this Saturday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What did you say?
		Where are you?
unidentified		Time in Mountain Julia, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay.
		This Saturday night, I was outside on the front porch smoking a cigarette.
		Yes.
		And I just looked up and I saw this black object.
		It was huge.
		I mean, it was really big.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you discern the shape?
unidentified		Yeah, it was like a triangle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A triangle.
unidentified		A huge triangle.
unidentified		I mean, it was black and had lights on the back of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it wasn't flying.
		It was like it was just gliding, floating.
		You know, I've heard, I've listened to your show.
		I've heard you talk about it before.
		And I saw some cars down the road.
		I don't know if anybody else saw it or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How apparently high in the sky, sir?
unidentified		I would say probably 1,500 feet.
unidentified		It didn't seem all that high at all, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1,500?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Something like that.
		Or maybe a little less, maybe less.
		But it just glided across and just glided through there.
		And I mean, I called my son out, and he saw it also.
		And it had three lights on the back of it and seemed to have, as it got further away, it seemed like there was a red light that appeared every now and then it would come on, go on.
		And I don't know if anyone else saw it or not.
		I just wondered if anybody in the area did, that they might call in and be interested in find out if anybody else saw it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there anything in your newspaper?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you phone your local law enforcement?
unidentified		No, I didn't.
unidentified		I should have, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got to do these things.
unidentified		Yeah, I need to.
		But what did happen, though, in about an hour, I guess, almost an hour later, I heard two helicopters.
		And I heard the helicopters.
		I went outside, and it was two helicopters come over my house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is so typical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So typical.
unidentified		Yeah, it was two helicopters come across there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got to wonder, is it one of ours?
		Yeah.
		Or is it one of theirs that we are chasing?
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
		I mean, there was no noise at all.
		No noise at all.
		And if I hadn't looked up, I would have known it was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I say to people who call, as you do, welcome to the club.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think you saw?
unidentified		I don't think it's one of ours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
unidentified		I think it's from somewhere else, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I kind of tip in slightly, ever so slightly, in the same direction based on what I saw.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we have anti-gravitic.
unidentified		No, no, I don't think we do either.
unidentified		No, not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No missing time or...
unidentified		Not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Strange marks on your body?
unidentified		No, not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate that, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		Another triangle report.
		There's no question these vehicles are real.
		One question that you would have to ask yourself, and I ask myself all the time, is if it would be an alien craft, surely it would not need navigation lights.
		And yet the one I saw had, in effect, I don't know if they were navigation lights, but it had lights.
		And why would an alien craft have lights?
		You would think it wouldn't need them.
		It could disappear.
		It could morph.
		It could do whatever it is those craft do, but the one I saw had lights, too.
		That might indicate it's one of ours.
		What do you think?
unidentified		You are all the woman I need And baby you know it Don't give me Don't give me Don't give me To get this baby up here A crown of a hole I'll give you all that I want You got me standing in my head I'm in the soul We're all born into this house and riders on the storm of life, aren't we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This night, we're going to ride into a cemetery and we're going ghost hunting.
		Would you like to come along?
		The Ghost Investigators Society is next with recordings from the other side.
		Hey, listen, very quickly, I thought this was exceptionally cool.
		I'm going to do an advertisement for Hardin Optical in a moment, but Eric Martin, who bought a telescope just like mine, just like the one you can get, took a photograph of the moon.
		He writes, a photo of the moon, I took with the telescope you advertised.
		I just put my Sony Makva looking through the eyepiece, and I sure would like to know how Eric has done this.
		I put the photograph on my website because it is astounding.
		How did you do that?
		I tried the same thing.
		Of course, I didn't get my camera down to the macro level, which is what I should have done, I suppose.
		But he got a remarkable picture for just putting a camera up to the eyepiece of a telescope.
		Absolutely astounding.
		And that's on the website right now at artbell.com.
		If you wish, take a look.
		In the meantime, let's tell you all about it.
		And now, the Ghost Investigators Society, originated by Jenny Nielsen, Roger, and Barbara Macbeth, and Brendan Cook.
		Brendan is the webmaster of the GIS website, and we've got a link to it on our site.
		He has been conducting ghost research and ghost investigations in the field for the last three years.
		Brendan was very skeptical about EVP.
		That's electronic voice phenomena.
		Until that is, he recorded EVP for himself.
		Three and one half years ago, it happened.
		Now it can happen for you too.
		And if you'll listen closely tonight, they'll tell you how you can do it if you have the cojones for it.
		His desire to learn how EVP happens has been the driving force in his continuation of conducting ghost research and investigations.
		His goal is to help explain the phenomena of EVP.
		Since Barbara was a small child and able to read, she has researched and read everything she could get her hands on concerning true ghost experiences, from true ghost stories of experiencers, to case files from ghost researchers in the field, plus her own interviews with those who have experienced ghost phenomena.
		Although she grew up with grandparents who had practiced spiritualism and she indulged in it herself until she reached young adulthood, her views have changed over the years toward the entities that she used to deal with in her seances and the ghosts that linger in our realm.
		She was raised not to fear the entities who were in her house as a child and does not fear the ghosts who remain among us.
		She's been researching and investigating for over 30 years.
		Here would be the two of them, Brendan and Barbara.
		Welcome.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's all since our last program?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Going well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've been busy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		You know, I still am not sure that I understand, even after all these years, what a ghost really is.
		Do you all?
unidentified		Well, a ghost is fairly simple.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's really just the essence of somebody who has lived and died.
		They maintain the same personality they had in life, and they carry that over into death.
		That's not to be confused with the demon and fallen angels, whatever you want to call it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the question is, the same personality, the essence of the person, that's like saying their soul, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the pits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you die and then you remain about to wander and scare people occasionally and God knows what a ghost does, you know, in a full ghost day, for example, but it doesn't sound particularly appealing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, they are to be very pitied.
		I believe that someone that stays as a ghost is someone that is very sad most of the time.
		I think when a ghost becomes happy, they don't stay very long in our realm.
		I think they go on.
		Most ghosts are to be pitied and to feel sorry for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		That would mean that they had some sort of tragic Occurrence in their life where they had a very sad life, something that caused their spirit not to be able to move forward as it is supposed to.
		Roughly correct?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you know, we also tend to believe, you know, they have a choice on if they want to go or not.
		And if they choose to stay here, it might end up being the wrong choice because they're forced to just stay and watch their loved ones, but they can't interact with them in any way.
		And I think that's a lot of what tortures them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course it would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, watching your wife remarry and zoom around in a little sports car or whatever.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I also believe that a lot of ghosts that we come in contact with were transient type of people when they were alive.
		They didn't go with the program in life.
		That's correct.
		I think they were kind of loners, very miserable in life, were seeking vengeance or revenge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, an interesting point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you believe that a ghost can, in fact, in some way seek vengeance?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe that some ghosts, if they, especially like if they were murdered or avenge their own death, for example.
		I feel I can tell that they feel like justice has been served.
		I think that that could be something that would keep a soul here in our realm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you think that graveyards, this is another thing that bothers me, you see, that graveyards would be a rich location in which to go searching for electronic voice phenomena?
		In other words, if I were a ghost, you know, I don't do a lot of visiting of graveyards here in life.
		You know, they're kind of depressing in their way, right?
		And I understand, too, you may not feel that way at all.
		But for most people, graveyards are not exactly, you know, a happy place.
		That's right.
		And so then, if you're a ghost, are you, for example, required to hang around your old decaying physical body?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's a lot of theories on why a lot of the word here.
		A lot of ghosts would manifest in graveyards.
		There's a lot of theories of why they would.
		But I tend to go along with one theory that would suggest that their religion in life claimed that at a certain time God would come back and there'd be paradise on earth, but they had to stay by their body up until that point.
		And that might be why they have to stay in a cemetery where their body's at or a mausoleum or wherever it's at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but half the people these days are cremated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about those folks?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I really wouldn't know.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think any place that's associated with death has activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, how about, this is a rather macabre suggestion, but I know you all are looking for rich fields of EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not go to a crematorium?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've done that?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I believe a few of the voices tonight are actually from this crematorium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		That would be great to hang around after you're gone at crematorium.
		Oh, my gosh.
		All right.
		Let's, for those who have never heard this before, there will be some.
		Let's prep people for what they're about to hear a little bit.
		You have very stringent standards about what you do.
		For example, you never record on any audio tape that has had anything ever recorded on it before.
		Is that correct?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's really one of the biggest roles of recording EVP is always use a brand new tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A brand new tape.
		So there's no chance, none whatsoever, that the voices were from some previous recording, because that would be the first conclusion that everybody nearly would jump to.
		We've all heard partially erased or poorly erased tapes, and you can get some pretty eerie things from those, but that simply would not be the case with what you're doing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, no, that's not the case at all.
		We always use brand new tapes.
		In fact, a lot of the times we buy them that night that we go out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are not the first to get into this field, are you?
		Electronic Voice Phenomena has been around for quite some time.
		Do you know the history of it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		And, you know, I'm really glad you mentioned that because the last couple of shows we've done with you, we have had people email us saying, oh, you've introduced me to the idea of EVP, and I'm so glad you guys discovered this.
		And we don't want people to think that at all.
		I mean, we did not discover this.
		This has been around for a long, long time.
		And all we're doing is, you know, researching it as much as we can and hopefully taking it to a different level than the people who've done it before us, Radave and so on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when did this begin?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		As far as I can tell, it's been around since the 50s.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe Thomas Edison experimented around with it when he was inventing the phone.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He felt like you could contact the dead through the phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and so this concept of being able to communicate with the dead has been around even before electricity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now isn't that interesting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Edison thought it would be possible, and maybe perhaps Edison heard a few things.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, in fact, I just recently was reading about his viewpoints on being able to contact with the dead, and he felt very strongly that the phone or the recorder was capable of being able to make contact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that a disincarnate spirit would have an easier time, and I don't think you're going to be able to answer this, an easier time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that it has something to do with the fact that we are electrical impulses, we are electric magnetic beings in the first place, and so therefore imprinting something on a magnetic medium like a tape?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, I personally really believe that's it.
		Since we've been doing this, I've really looked at ghosts as electromagnetic beings.
		In other words, that's what they use to do anything.
		They either create or manipulate the electromagnetic field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I can sort of intellectually buy off on that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Energy isn't destroyed.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It changes form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Form.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But it is not destroyed.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And our brains are giving off electrical impulses constantly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can this not creep you out?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, and I'm glad you brought this up, too, because we do have a lot of people who email us saying this is so scary, and I can't believe you do this.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I've never tried it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I feel the same way.
		I feel the same way.
		I've had little brushes with things that I can't explain, and they have scared the you-know-what out of me.
		You know, you guys are doing real serious work, which is really scary, and I don't know how it cannot creep you out.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you really have to look at ghosts as people.
		You can't look at them as something that is invisible and it's going to jump out and scare you, or the way Hollywood's portrayed them.
		You have to look at them as people, and this is what we tried to do.
		Now, imagine you go into a supermarket, and how many of those people are actually going to try and hurt you?
		You have to turn around and look at it the same exact way with ghosts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		My wife comes back with some pretty harrowing stories from the supermarket.
		But seriously, if a ghost was, I suppose as uninvolved strangers, why then you may be all right.
		But if a ghost is capable of going after somebody for vengeance to get revenge for their own death or somebody else's, but probably their own, then that means they're capable of manifesting something or another in life, right?
		Otherwise, how do you exact vengeance as a disembodied spirit?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
		In the same sense, I mean, it's just the same as a living person doing it to you.
		There really isn't a difference other than you can't see a ghost or what it's going to do to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's a pretty big difference, folks.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They don't have the physical capabilities, and I think that what they are able to do is something that they learn.
		I don't think because of us being such physical beings, I don't think that that is something that comes very natural in death.
		And I feel like myself, I feel like that is something if they are able to manipulate our physical world because they can defy our logic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have been told, Barbara, excuse me, you've been told the both of you in some recordings to basically get the hell out of here.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's right, but I've been told that as a kid when I was climbing somebody's apple tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe so, but if a spirit tells you to get the hell out, it so you just sort of regard it then as some cantankerous kind of personality.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I come across people like that in life.
		It doesn't terrify me.
		I might think, you know, what an Henry sucker, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If one really negative thing were to happen to you, you know, physically, some physical thing, I mean, something flies through the air and hits you, you feel a choking, something awful like that, would that be enough to turn you away from any further work in this area?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I think that would even just intrigue us more.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I've been slept, and that just made me to the point where I wanted to do this every moment I was awake.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And sometimes it's very boring.
		I mean, you know, there's times, I mean, it's not a continuous adventure of something continuously happening.
		It's very boring at times.
		I mean, you know, as far as we can tell, there's nothing going on.
		We can't see anything in our infrared video cameras, and we're not aware of anything taking place around us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brendan, when were you slapped?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I was slapped.
		This was probably about a year and a half ago.
		We were investigating a cemetery, and it was just the four of us, Barbara, Roger, Jenny, and myself.
		And everybody had got out of the car.
		Me and Jenny were in the back seat.
		Jenny had got out, and I was still getting out of the car, grabbing our equipment and handing it to her.
		And I had reached back to hand her something, and I'd felt a slap on my arm.
		And I turned around, and I said, Jenny, why did you just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So Jenny did not slap you?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there any follow-up in EVP about why you were slapped?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, not as far as I can tell.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, we didn't get anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So unlike 99.9% of the U.S. population, if you were slapped or choked or otherwise physically assaulted, it would make you more interested.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You all are crazy.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've had things thrown at me.
unidentified		I mean, it's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it just intrigues you all the more.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		You know, you want to find out, you know, are they trying to get your attention or is it something that's happening just because of their energy, of what they're feeling that's causing some kind of event to take place just from their energy alone?
		Is it something that they intended to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, is there a better time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is midnight better than 12 noon, even in a graveyard?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, really, it doesn't matter.
unidentified		You can pick up ghost activity at any time.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We do it at night just simply because it's quieter.
		There's very few people out in the cemetery or wherever we happen to be investigating.
		I don't want to give the impression that we just investigate cemeteries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're a favorite.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's just because they're so easy and they're kind of a place for us to relax.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And also, we usually go at night because of the use of the infrared camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you two.
unidentified		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not big on cemeteries during the day, much less late at night.
		Now, when we come back, we're going to begin playing some of these recordings made at cemeteries for the most part, at night for the most part.
		Prepare yourself.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		We've got tonight with us Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook.
		But there are five members of the GIS, the Ghost Investigators Society, and they've had incredible experiences involving ghosts during their investigations, such as being touched by unseen hands, hugged, slapped, experiencing unexplicable cold spots, having objects thrown at them, sightings with a naked eye, experiencing unexplainable fragrances and odors, objects appearing, hearing unexplainable sounds, and voices from nowhere.
		The society believes that the GIS website has some of the most astounding EVPs ever recorded and also shows how our consciousness survives after the body dies.
		Coming up in a moment, we're going to explore some of those recordings, recent recordings, onto blank tapes of voices from the other side.
		Now, into the darkness of the night and the cemetery, in case you didn't want to do it yourself, that's why we have these two with us this morning, and we're going to explore some of the recordings recently made by the Ghost Investigators Society in the middle of graveyards or crematoriums or wherever.
		So, you two, welcome back.
		I guess we should begin at the beginning, and I know there's sort of an explanation that goes with each one of these, so why don't you talk to me about the first one?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I'll take care of the first one here.
		This first one wasn't, it was only a few months ago that we recorded this.
		It was at a private residence that we were investigating, and Barbara had said, can you come and be with us?
		And you'll hear this voice say, she'd be with her dad.
		Now, I think it says she's with her dad, and Barbara hears she'd be with her dad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's listen and see what we all think.
		Here it is.
		That's very hard to hear it.
		So it's a second voice, is that correct?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me try that one more time.
		There's a repeat on there, which I missed.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Can I tell him who you want to go first?
		I'm going to go.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's with her dad.
		It sounds like she's with her dad.
		And that's what I hear.
		Who was this somebody who had passed away?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, nobody had been reported who had passed away in this house.
		This lady had just contacted me one day and had, I mean, she was frantic when she had contacted me saying, I think my house is haunted.
		You know, how soon can you guys be here?
		I had tried getting some other ghost groups here, and no one would respond to her or get back with her, so she got a hold of us, and we came out that night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was all haunting.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there had been activity in the house.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They could hear doors shutting and steps going upstairs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I doubt that this recording exactly made the person feel better, did it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm not really sure.
		I mean, the main thing was that she got confirmation that her house was on it.
		And, you know, she wasn't being paranoid or just hearing things.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Losing her mind.
		There's so many people that question their sanity when they have something going on because they have a preconceived notion about ghosts.
		And it's a normal thing for people to feel fear from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I suppose the media has contributed to that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Hollywood movies and ghost stories, and they're always portrayed as something evil and wicked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I thought my house was haunted, I had heard things and seen things, and then I invited you all over and you came up with that, the next call would be to a priest.
		I'm serious.
		All right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They're able to see it on video and actually hear a voice that's recorded from their location that the haunting has taken place.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It gives a more human aspect, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, on to number two.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one might be a little confusing.
		There's four different voices here.
		Brendan had told us we were in a cemetery and we were sitting in our lawn chairs and just kind of relaxing.
		And Brendan had told us about something that he had done.
		And you'll hear my voice first, and it says, you're just a little busybody, aren't you?
		And Roger didn't know who I was talking about.
		And the next voice you'll hear is his saying, who?
		And then the ghost voice says Brendan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ghost voice says Brendan.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and then Brendan says who.
		And I say you, and Brendan says what?
		So the voice that says Brendan is the ghost voice.
unidentified		Alright, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brendan, a very, very fast Brendan.
		Yes.
		And I'm curious, there were how many of you there?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There were four.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four of you there.
		How are you able to be certain that it's not one of the four who uttered that in some way that the microphone picked up?
		For example, where do you put the microphone?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I carry mine.
		It's on my back.
		At my neck, on the edge of my shirt behind my neck.
		So it's not underneath my mouth or around my mouth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you all able to be sure that it's not one of you four who uttered that, Brendan?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, first of all, what we'll do is, well, I mean, obviously, we know, no one else would know this, but us that know each other would know that's no one else's voice.
		I mean, that does not sound like anybody, you know, that was there.
		And on top of that, me and Roger were the only two guys there, and you hear both our voices in that clip.
		And it's an obvious man's voice.
		The other thing is that once we get this voice and extract it and put it onto the computer, we'll render it to a WAV file and then search through the ELF range, which is extremely low frequency.
		And that's actually how we determine if it is a ghost voice or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does a ghost voice on tape have any different characteristics than the normal human voice?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, as far as speech-wise, it sounds like they do.
		It seems as almost that they talk syllabically.
		They don't talk like a normal human does.
		In other words, they form words extremely different, actually.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It has a different sound to it, too, like it's either coming through water.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There's a different quality to the sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Here comes number three.
		Where was this done?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Actually, number three was done in the same cemetery as the last voice.
		And at this time, this was in the summer, this was only, I believe, last month, we had been sitting inside of my car because we didn't want to get out.
		There was just a cloud of mosquitoes in front of us.
		And we just sat in the car and had turned on the tape recorders and the video camera.
		And everybody had been quiet at the time this voice came in.
		And it's just a real whispery, I just got an idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just got an idea?
		Yes.
		Now, that's an unusual thing for a spirit to say, isn't it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, it is.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's an original one for us, and we've never heard it before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because, well...
		Here we go.
		you're listening for I Just Got an Idea.
		Quite clearly, almost whispered, I would say.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just got an idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That bothers me a little because I've always preferred to think, to be honest with you two, that a ghost is nothing but a remnant of a human soul, that it is, in fact, not the human soul itself, not consciousness, as it were, but I just got an idea would be something that would come, in my opinion, from a current consciousness.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right, and I hope that in these voices, and especially the ones with interaction, they respond to us.
		A lot of times when they speak, they are speaking about something that we are doing.
		They are responding to us, something that's being said or done, and it shows consciousness.
		They're aware of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I like that.
		I don't know if I like that.
		I mean, personally, doesn't it bother the two of you to be confirming to yourselves that consciousness exists after death and it may well exist here on earth in an incarnate state?
		Doesn't it bother you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, and I don't see why.
		I mean, I think it's fantastic if we had sound proof that we continue, that when we die physically, that we are still going on, that we just don't stop.
		I think that that's wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it's wonderful.
		It's wonderful, in my opinion, if you go to a different place, for example, they call heaven, you know, or a different dimension or something like that.
		But to imagine you're hanging about on earth trapped, as it were, until something better happens and you rise to the other place.
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		All right, on to number four.
		Where did we do this?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This was in a cemetery in Wyoming, and we were doing an investigation.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We had stopped at the police department and asked them if it was okay if we went into this cemetery and told them what we were doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I've got to stop and ask, how do the caretakers at cemeteries, perhaps the guards, and or the police react to this kind of thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gosh, you walk into a police station and say, listen, we'd like to go over and sit around in the cemetery and do some recordings of dead people.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, actually, a lot of times, they're extremely open to it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		In fact, one of the cemeteries we do quite a bit, we actually had the police sit there and watch us do it because they were interested in what we were doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They had had experiences and had people tell them of experiences that they had had.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Most of the time, you know, we'll invite them to be there with us just for our own safety.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, of all the groups out there that I get ghost stories from, I would say the police are the most prolific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I get more ghost stories, really seriously.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Because they're in locations, you know, it's quiet.
		They go to areas that have a lot of activity many times, and they have a lot of experiences.
		It's very surprising.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
		They're associated with crimes and violence and The underside of civilization.
		And yes, I would imagine if ghostliness is connected with that sort of activity, then sure.
		Okay, so occasionally they'll actually come to the cemetery with you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		All right, so we were in this cemetery, and Brendan and Roger had wandered off together, and me and Jenny were going through it together, and this was in the dark, and Jenny sounded like she stepped in water.
		And when we shined the flashlight down, there was no water, and the ground was dry.
		And she was telling Roger and Brendan about it when they came back to where we were.
		And you'll hear Jenny say, it sounded like I stepped in water, and this voice says she did, although she didn't.
unidentified		all right here we go Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I could hear she did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it sounded like, I thought, a female voice.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it kind of does sound feminine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the ghost was confirming she stepped in water, but she wasn't in water.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, the ground was dry.
		We thought maybe there was like a puddle from them watering or something in there, you know, earlier in the day, but the ground was dry and there was no water.
		And I heard it, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if perhaps there was water on the other side.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, we've all speculated, I think, that when you die, you may move into a different dimension.
		So many good physicists believe that the other dimension is just that far away, you know, holding my fingers very close.
		Very close to us.
		And so perhaps there was water.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but both me and her heard the sound of water when she stepped into this, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You heard the sound of water.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I thought she had stepped into a puddle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there was no water.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There was no water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		On to number five.
		I'm afraid to ask about this one.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, actually, this next one is a little bit different from anything we've done on your show.
		On the last show, we had asked people to go out and try this for themselves and send us the results that they got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, that's right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we got a wonderful response from it.
		And unfortunately, we could only put a few onto this CD.
		But this was from a man named Brian.
		He had lived in Maine.
		And he had heard us on the show and decided to go out and try it.
		And he had just went to his local cemetery and picked up this voice, which it sounds to me like it's saying store, but there seems to be another word before that.
unidentified		But when he had edited the WAV file, he cut it off.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know if that first part was a ghost voice or just the store was a ghost voice.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But what you're going to be listening for is the word store.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Oh, that's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite clear.
		It simply says store.
		When they send these to you, do they specify in what manner they did them?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, some of them do.
		Some of them send more lengthy emails on what the temperature that it was when they recorded it, weather conditions, all that.
		And he had sent just a really short email, but I had put it on because it was so clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that the majority of the recordings that you do are so short?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, instead of getting entire thoughts, as in at least a sentence or a paragraph, you tend to get single words or two or three words.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I believe it's because it takes a lot of energy for them to do this.
		And I think it's also something they learn.
		And I know Barbara thinks the same way.
		It's something that they end up learning, and I don't think a lot of them have the skills to do it, but it also takes a lot of energy for them to be able to put this onto the tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that they are able to hear you in full, unlike the way you're able to hear them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you only catch very brief snatches of what they're saying, and yet they seem to be responding many times to what you're doing or saying, which would imply that they are able to monitor you almost full-time?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I myself, I believe that they are fully aware of us most of the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like a one-way mirror, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good way of listening to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On to number six.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one was recorded by GIS member Barry.
		We were in a mausoleum, and there was just Barry and Roger and myself there.
		And we were down in the basement, and we all, all three of us, heard what sounded like a woman scream.
		You'll hear Barry say, what was that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you didn't get the...
		So do you hear...
		Why ask?
unidentified		What was that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what was that indeed?
		One more time.
		Listen very closely to the very beginning, that noise.
unidentified		What was that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's weird.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It almost sounds like it is saying something, but when we actually heard it at the time, it almost sounded like a woman's scream, but it sounds like it is saying something, but I can't tell what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can't tell what it is either.
		And screams would not be good.
		You know, scream implies things are not going so well on the other side.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, when you have something happen like that unexpected, it takes you by surprise.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You're not, it catches you off guard, and you don't have a second opportunity to hear it again, you know, at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you all plan to keep doing this, or is there a point where you say we have proven?
		In other words, what are your goals?
		You've recorded so much from apparently the other side or from some place.
		What are your real goals?
		Are you going to continue doing this?
		And what do you hope to prove?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, at least me personally, my goal is to educate people that this is really out there.
		This is a phenomenon that's actually happening.
		It's not something that Hollywood's made up.
		And ultimately, to get more people to go out and try this.
		And eventually, you know, make more people believe that this is something that's really out there and our consciousness does survive.
		It's not something we have to be scared of or terrified of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I am scared of it, and I am terrified of it.
		And, you know, there are also a lot of people who say, look, what you're doing is going to lead to an open door policy for things that you might not like walking through the door.
		And I'm sure that's been said to you as well, hasn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, yes.
		And, you know, I've been involved with this sort of thing all my life.
		I've never been harmed.
		It's something that fascinates me so much.
		I can't get enough of it.
		I plan on doing this until the day I die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we'll talk about that in a moment.
		I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A Investigator.
		Good morning, everybody.
		We're investigating the Ghost Investigators Society and Voices from Beyond the Grave.
		These are recorded on totally empty tapes, completely empty tapes, and then processed on a computer.
		And we'll ask about that in a moment, as well as what our investigators plan to do when they are gone.
		And as we all face mortality, and certainly they're no different, I'm sure they have plans.
		At least I would imagine they have plans themselves to try and get back with some sort of message.
		At any rate, we'll ask about all of that.
		Stay right where you are.
		Back now to the Ghost Investigators Society, represented in this case by my two guests, Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook.
		You two, welcome back.
		Now, when you all pass away, have you ever, I'm sure in the hours that you while away in cemeteries and crematoriums and mausoleums, you've probably talked about your own mortality from time to time, haven't you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		We talk about it quite often.
		There's a lot of people that I know.
		I've told them, if you feel somebody tap you on the shoulder and you turn around and nobody's there, it was me.
		They'll know I've broked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you are going to actually try.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I am going to try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had a word or two that you could say and get through on a tape to somebody, think about it for a second.
		What would it be?
		If you could only get a word or two through, and that seems probable based on what we hear on these tapes, what would you try and get through?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I guess my mother's maiden name would be a good one because it's so unusual.
		It's a French name.
		That's her maiden name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be good, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about you, Brendan?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Mine would probably be I'm Alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Alive.
		Yep.
		That would be it.
		Or maybe more appropriately, I'm dead.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's move on.
		Number seven.
		What have we here, and where did it come from?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, this one was recorded in a Head Start building for migrants.
		And it's weird because we had a lot of high activity on our EMF meter.
		And in this one area...
		It's an electromagnetic field detector.
		It just detects variations in the electromagnetic field, which, as I said before, I think ghosts tend to either manipulate or create an electromagnetic field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So as something is imprinted on your tape, you might see that activity.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you normally, as a matter of interest, in other words, are you able to correlate the EMF changes with the imprint on the tape?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, actually we are.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, this is one of the voices where it was really close to where we were getting a high peak on the EMF detector where we recorded this voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, isn't that interesting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and what do we have?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, this voice, it was recorded by Barbara.
		And in it, you'll hear GIS member Barry saying, Little Bear.
		And then he says, no, Big Bear.
		And then after, you'll hear a woman's voice saying, uh-uh, Big Barry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big Barry?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		The ghost voice is the one saying, uh-uh, Big Barry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's take a listen.
unidentified		Little Bear.
		No, Big Bear.
		I'm not just ready.
		Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to hear the first part again one more time.
unidentified		Little Bear.
unidentified		No, I'm thinking bear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, that is really weird.
		The laugh.
		Is the laugh from a ghost?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, no, that laugh is Gen 8.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the laugh is Gen 8.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I always want to be clear on exactly what we're hearing here.
		Do you hear laughs from ghosts?
		Is there any do you ever get what you would call a sense of humor from the other side?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, definitely.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've recorded that quite often we've recorded different laughter that's not ours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's slightly encouraging to know there might be something humorous on these.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't keep our sense of humor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're going to kind of race through these.
		Number eight.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one was recorded by Barry in an old theater, and he was talking to me about the wood on the banister.
		And he had just said that he wondered if it was the old original wood.
		And the ghost voice comes in and says, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		All right, let's take a listen.
		Yeah, I believe, I believe, I believe.
		One more time, a ghost voice.
		Out of absolutely nothing on an empty tape, huh?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are going to be a lot of people, this time as well as last time, that are going to want to try this themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they need any particular kind of recorder?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		They don't.
		Any recorder will work perfectly fine.
		The only thing we ask, and we do somewhat differently, is we do use an external mic just to cut down the background noise of the motor on the tape recorder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a noise associated, a very low-level kind of rumble noise.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And, you know, a lot of these EVPs come in directly in that range of that background noise.
		They're just buried in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever received an EVP from a tape without a mic at all?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think my very first one, no, I have to take that back.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		My first one, my first tape recorder did have an external mic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The reason I say this is because if they electromagnetically imprint this on the tape, the implication would be they don't need a microphone to do that.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you do need a microphone to do it, then you should occasionally be able to hear this aloud yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and sometimes, yes, we do hear this.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's very rare, but we do hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do hear it occasionally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was saying.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It takes you off guard because you're not expecting to hear it, and you're nearly not sure at the time what it is that you heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, then let me extend it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The reason I say this is because you could put a preamplifier on a microphone and, of course, greatly extend a microphone's range of ability to pick up even the tiniest voice or noise.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And see, we haven't done that because we're, I mean, we fund this all ourselves, so we're limited in what we can do, although I'm sure those aren't really that expensive.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And there's a lot of the technical stuff I'm not aware of.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'm from the old school, and I don't know what's available out there to use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's an awful lot of stuff.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I know there is, and I'd love to know what...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it really the microphone picking it up, or is it, in fact, being directly imprinted on the tape?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, and that's something I think we definitely will try, and hopefully we'll actually get some results out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, number nine.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, this one was recorded by GIS member Barry, and it was recorded in the mausoleum that we go to quite a bit.
		And this one's kind of interesting, and we can't figure this out.
		You hear Barbara laughing, and we don't know why she's laughing.
		This was recorded quite a while ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And right after, you'll hear a voice come in saying, what's so funny?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like a little child to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's take a listen.
unidentified		Let's go on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it does sound like a child's voice.
		And it does sound like it's saying, what's so funny.
		See, all of these, or most of these, really imply to me that we've got an ongoing current consciousness, commenting on the situation, or commenting on something that you all have said in the immediate area, and that just chills me to the bone.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		See, I mean, they are aware of us.
		They interact with us.
		I believe that we get such a good response because of how we are with them.
		We treat them like they're people.
		We're quite laid back, even though we're very serious about what we're doing.
		We invite them to join in our conversation and talk with us because people have a tendency not to butt in people's conversations that they don't know and aren't invited to.
		And so we always invite them to be with us and to talk with us and join in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One more time on this one.
unidentified		One more time on this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was so funny.
		That's got kind of a and this seems to be the case with children recorded in this way and other manners as well in the reverse speech arena.
		The children seem to have a kind of a surreal sound to their voices.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They have a different sound to it, their voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea why?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Other than how much energy it takes to do this.
		That's the only thing I can think of.
		It's like it's a real effort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so perhaps the more mature spirits are able to get their voices through intact?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There are voices that we have recorded that are louder and stronger than what we sound on the tapes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's some voices that we've recorded that are very strong and clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		During the recording of this particular CD that we're pulling these from, there was perhaps a little too much treble added, we should tell the audience.
		And so there might be a little bit of the audio that you should be hearing missing from these, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, there is.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And it had occurred after, well, it occurred while I was burning the CD, but I didn't realize until after I had sent it that there had been a problem with the treble in the audio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number ten.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Uh this one, um you'll hear uh Barry ask Jenny what she thought about a videotape that's on our website.
		Uh it's called Zane's Orb.
		And he was asking Jenny what she thought about this video that he had taped.
		And you'll hear Jenny respond that it was really good and then this voice comes in and says liked it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Liked it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Liked it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's see what we have.
unidentified		What did you think of that last night?
		One thing, uh...
		Wind it?
		Hmm.
		Wind it?
		Wind it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Liked it.
		That was very clear.
		That was too clear.
		The clear ones really tend to get me.
		And it was, again, it had that kind of sound to it.
		That otherworldly, other side sound to it.
		Let me see if I can do that one more time.
		Here it is.
unidentified		What do you think of that one?
		Yeah.
		I'm saying, uh...
		I'm saying, uh...
		Blind it.
		Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very strange, otherworldly sound to it.
		Are you all absolutely sure that there's no shenanigans here?
		There's no mistake here.
		It's not one of your voices.
		It's absolutely out of the blue, so to speak.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, we're positive.
		And, you know, we have people, and you have to expect it with what we're doing.
		But we do have people who email us and say, no, you guys are just full of it, and you're faking this.
		And all we can tell them is we write back to them and say, you know, why would we fake this?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't come up with this stuff.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't have the imagination for it myself.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we have nothing to gain.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we don't want any money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that really is true.
		You all are not seeking.
		You're not writing a book.
		You're not selling anything that I'm aware.
		Are you selling anything?
unidentified		No.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we'll never charge for an investigation.
		We'll never charge for merchandise or access to the website anything.
		I don't think there's any reason someone should charge for that, especially doing this kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then what would you describe this as, a hobby?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's a real intense interest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Driven by what?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I want to know.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I will probably never find out until after I die, but everything that has ever happened and the occurrences and the responses that we get, I just find fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About the only other possibility, you two, that I can imagine, and I'm going to rule it out, but it's a possibility, is that you could be in a graveyard adjacent to a radio station, for example, and a radio station's RF could get into a tape recorder.
		But that just doesn't wash because you've done it from too many locations.
		If it was just one location and there was a radio station nearby, one could imagine you'd get occasional bursts of something or another, but obviously not with all of the separate recordings in so many places that you have done.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There's also another point, too.
		There will be times when there will be like two, three, or four of us that are taping, and only one person will pick up a voice, and the others are in close proximity where they should have also picked it up, and they won't pick it up.
		Which I think is an interesting facet of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, too.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know if it's directed just to that person that tapes it or what the condition is, but that's happened many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, is there any particular kind of discussion that you have at these sites that seems to bring it on more than others?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, there really isn't.
		We do find a lot more of the times that they're just interacting with what we're doing.
		When we're not even directing stuff at them, they'll interact with us talking between each other and just kind of butt in like they're part of the conversation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's do one more before the break here.
		Number 11.
		What have we here?
unidentified		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Now, this one, this one you should like.
		We were invited into a mortuary to do an investigation.
		The people who were on call in this mortuary had seen a lot of things.
		I believe it was a man, a shadow of a man.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		A man in black walking past the room where they do the embalmings.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He's been seen several times by different people that work there.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, but right as we're walking in, me and Barry were right next to each other.
		And Barry says to me, I hope there's no body down here.
		And directly after, you'll hear this voice say, talk to the dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Talk to the dead.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Now, it's kind of interesting because Barry was wearing his GIS shirt that night.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And on the back of the GIS shirt, it says, the dead speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		There's no fatties out there.
unidentified		I'll get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One more time.
unidentified		Talk to the Dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh?
		That's just great.
		Absolutely great.
unidentified		This isn't better now, man.
unidentified		Oh, forget it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert.
unidentified		On this side, for now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Good sacks on the other side.
		That was SAX.
		But the other would be alright too.
unidentified		And you're still worth it.
unidentified		The End All right, back into the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cemeteries, the mausoleums, the crematoriums.
		Once again, my guests, and welcome back, you two.
		Thank you.
		I get a lot of questions by computer with something called Fast Blast, which people can do from my website.
		And Joe in Providence, Rhode Island would like to know if you have ever had a voice respond to your thoughts.
		In other words, something unspoken.
		That would indicate that perhaps they can read thoughts as well as loud voices.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have had a ghost voice come in and say a word prior to one of us saying that word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That leads to another question from Mike in Las Vegas.
		Art, I notice the voices usually come when they are interacting.
		Have they ever considered that it might be their own thoughts that are being recorded?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we've had that brought up to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your reaction?
unidentified		Some of the...
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		some of the voices that we've recorded, um...
unidentified		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It kind of makes you wonder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, that you could be projecting this one of you yourselves.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you don't rule that out?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, you can't rule out anything, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the purposes of doing this is researching and that's objective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'm glad to hear you say that.
		It could be that.
		And I might even be slightly comforted thinking it might be that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That makes you feel better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it might make me feel better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, on to number 12.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		However, this voice, it would not apply to what you were just saying.
		I see.
		Barry had recorded this in a mausoleum, and it sounds like a female voice, and it sounds kind of surprised or delighted.
		It says people, and it sounds like, oh, people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there a female living person present?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I was there, and Jenny was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and neither one of you uttered this.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see what we've got.
		All right, obviously it's saying people.
		Surprised.
		You're right.
		People.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They show emotion.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		These voices, it's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's great.
		But yeah, that's as though, oh, people.
		It's nice to see people.
		All we've had is stone and other dead folks.
		When you all pass away, do you plan to be buried or cremated or stored away in a mausoleum?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I would like to be buried myself.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's my personal preference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about the other half here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He's too young to even think about it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I just haven't even thought about that yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, really, would you like to have your ashes scattered to the wind?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, probably not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not, huh?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, it'd probably be burial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		All right.
		On to number 13.
		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, number 13, this was recorded by Barry in that mausoleum.
		And he was talking about an old apartment that had been previously a funeral home.
		And this voice just comes in and says, y'all know.
unidentified		Just kind of in the old slang saying, y'all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Y'all know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are any of you Southerners?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I am.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, Barbara, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see if we can nail this.
unidentified		Call it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is really, that is really odd.
		Let's do that again.
		That's obviously not Barbara.
		Oh, my, my, my, my.
		Do you all do you come to an agreement on what is said in these recordings?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Not all the time.
		This next one that we're going to be doing, we all heard different things, so we've just got question marks on it because we can't come to an agreement on what it says.
		And several times that happens, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there any other voices, or are we only going to hear the voice from the other side here?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, this next one you're going to play is just the ABP itself.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And I, well, I'll let you play it for someone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's just play it and let's let everybody decide.
		Here we go.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Where's the microphone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gee, I don't know either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's try it again.
unidentified		Where's the cell phone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barbara, what do you think that is?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think it's saying, I think the word never or ever is In there.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		The last word, I think, is either never or ever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brendan?
unidentified		I have absolutely no idea at all.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I can't make anything.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I hear a voice, but I have no idea what it's saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ever or never.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's listen again.
unidentified		Let's listen again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does sound like ever at the end, doesn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's what I think it's saying.
		Not ever or I don't know.
		But we all heard different things.
		We can't come to an agreement on what this says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just pulled out of the ether, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose if you two were selling a book or in some way financially benefiting from this, you would be peppered with allegations and accusations.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We are anyway.
unidentified		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, either way, people will.
		I mean, even if it's something that ends up scaring them, that'll be a reason for them to say, no, you guys are full of it.
		And like I said, the only thing we can do is tell them, you know, we have nothing to gain by fooling you or creating these fake voices.
unidentified		Just, I mean, it would be pointless, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, to properly do this, all somebody really needs is a tape recorder, preferably with an external microphone.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		A brand new tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a brand new, never recorded upon tape.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Fresh batteries.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And a desire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a desire.
		And would you recommend that they go to a space?
		I mean, graveyards, for example.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And you don't want to put yourself in harm's way.
		You don't want to go out by yourself.
		If anything was to happen, you'd want a witness there.
		Preferably get the owners or officials permission to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think most times owners or officials would not give you permission to be in these places.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have had real success when we've wanted to investigate a place when you are up front and...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you approach me.
		How do you approach me?
		What do you say to me?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I introduce myself and I say that I understand that there has been ghost activity reported in this location and there are five members of the GIS.
		We are credible.
		We are discreet and we would like to do some documentation and research in this location to see if we can pick up anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say something like, look, there are a lot of relatives of people who are buried in the cemetery that I preside over, and they might object to what you're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If somebody's coming and visiting a grave site, they might object to what you're doing if you're there with a group and a recorder and all the rest of it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, most of the time, like if we do go to a location in the daytime, like a cemetery, we're just walking around.
		Most people don't even realize that we have a tape recorder.
		And we or we'll sit down next to a grave on the lawn, and we'll pick, you know, arrange flowers and pick up weeds and things.
		We're no different than anybody else in the cemetery during the day.
		And we don't flaunt what we're doing.
		We're very discreet about what we're doing.
		We don't want to make the living around us feel uncomfortable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there has never come a time in all of this when the two of you or the four of you have been just scared out of your wits?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's been occasions when a couple of members have been uncomfortable.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And when we go to locations where if a member does feel does not feel good about that location, sometimes we won't go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that has happened then.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But the majority of times I always want to go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even if you're scared?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I haven't been scared.
		I have been, I had an occasion once where I had walked into a building that I had just walked out of, and I had turned and walked back in, and there was a horrendous odor.
		I mean, it was just a putrid smell.
		Hit me in the face.
		And I had to leave before I got sick.
		And I knew nobody else smelled it.
		There was no way that they could stay in there and not get sick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about these temperature drops that I hear about?
		I'm told that when there's this kind of activity, when something comes across from the other side, whether it be a voice or an apparition or whatever it is, that frequently the temperature drops.
		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		That's correct.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That does happen.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that is one of the reasons we use, and a lot of other groups use, a thermal scanner just to document temperature changes like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're going into these areas then armed with a fair amount of equipment.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and see, and that gets back into what you said earlier.
		Anyone can do this, and you can spend as much or as little money as you want and still get really decent results.
		I mean, it's basically all up to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This other equipment, I mean, thermal scanners, I guess you could take a thermometer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much temperature change have you seen?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We've actually seen some really dramatic temperature changes.
		For one instance, I believe it was last summer, we were in a cemetery that we it was the first time we had ever investigated it, and we haven't actually been back since just because we haven't had the time.
		But I think we probably documented almost a 50-degree temperature drop in one area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		50 degrees.
		All right.
		Number 15.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, this one was also recorded in a cemetery.
		And this was interesting because both Barbara and Roger had been in their vehicle at this time.
		And Barbara had her tape recorder on her, and then her husband had put his in the back of their truck.
		And you'll hear Roger in this say, I've been hearing noises, referring to his tape recorder's wheels turning.
		He can hear them squeaking.
		And this woman comes in and just says, horrific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Horrific?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's see if we've got that.
unidentified		Oh, hectic.
		Oh, hectic.
		Or heptic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Horrific indeed.
		I just don't know if I like this.
		I'm going to be honest with you.
		I don't know if I like this.
		All right.
		A number of people want to know what kind of processing you use after you pick this from tape.
		In other words, you no doubt have to sit and listen to hours of tape and you find something you know is anomalous, a word not said by any of you.
		Then how is that processed?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's actually fairly simple.
		What we'll do is once we find something we question as an EVP, we upload it, extract it from the tape onto the computer, transfer it to a WAV file, and we use CoolEdit.
		It's the easiest thing to use.
		And that'll basically give you everything that you need to know about the voice.
		It'll give you statistics, frequency, everything.
		And from there, if we go to post it on the site, we'll downsample it so it's a small file size and everyone can download it.
		Or if we're, say, using it for a radio show, we re-upsample it and transfer it to a CD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it then.
unidentified		I mean, it's really fairly simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, another, the next 16.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This was recorded in an old building that used to have, it was a brothel originally at one time.
		The cribs are still there, the old wallpaper.
		It's now kind of a new age business in there on the main floor, and then upstairs is where the cribs are.
		And Barry recorded this, and it's a female voice, and she says, going to miss you, and I mean it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		All right, here we go.
		Listen carefully, everybody.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, got that.
		Going to miss you and I mean it.
		No question about it.
		Are you able ever to attach meaning to what's said and or does it happen later?
		In other words, either sparked by your conversation or by a story of the place or a story of a haunting that had been there, meaning to what's being said to you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, the majority of them are interacting with us.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Like on this one, I don't think anything was being said at the time that he recorded this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just so it just came kind of out of the blue, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Strange stuff, folks.
		Really strange.
		And for some reason, you all you seem so unfazed by it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's something you just end up, when you do it as much as we've been doing it and spending as many hours a week as we do it, you just end up getting used to it almost.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And you just look for the more active places to experience more things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We've got one more and then a few in the next hour.
		And then I want to open the phones and let folks ask you questions.
		We didn't get to do much of that, so let's try and get through these.
		Number 17, what have we got here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, this one goes back to not knowing what's being said.
		People are hearing different things.
		And I'm going to let you see what you hear.
		But you'll hear a growling and then a woman's voice directly after.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A growling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And the growling is anomalous.
		It is an EVP.
		We didn't hear it at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		all right here we go okay okay Oh, that is strange.
		one more time, folks.
		Again, with a little of the low end missing, it's a little harder to tell about the growling, but some kind of deeper noise, obviously.
		And then it sounds like a female voice, but I don't know what it's saying.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		See, and all of us have heard something different.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I hear go-get-it, kitty.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I hear go kitty cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go kitty cat?
		Mm-hmm.
		Gee, maybe there's kitty cats on the other side.
unidentified		I'll look at a cat.
		I'll look at a cat.
		I'll get a kid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is so strange.
		It does sound like kitty.
		I hear the word kitty quite clearly in there.
		Have you had any indications of animal activity on the other side or the awareness of animals on the other side?
		This would be one, obviously.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the house that we're renting that we've moved into recently, I keep seeing out of my peripheral vision.
		I'll think that it's one of my animals.
		I have a cat and a dog.
		And I'll think that I see something run by, and I'll go to check, and my cat will be stacked out on the bed.
		My dog's outside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you two.
		Hold on.
		Stay right where you are.
		We've got more from the other side, and then we'll open the phone lines.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		903.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		It is indeed.
		Good morning from the high desert.
		This is Art Bell, and I've got the GIS online right now.
		Coast Investigators Society.
		They record on blank, brand new tapes, voices from the other side.
		We're going to play a few more this hour, and then we're going to open up the telephone lines and let you ask questions.
		Anything you want.
		And I can imagine you've got questions.
		Back into the night, back into the other side with my guests, Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook.
		You two, welcome back.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, this hour we're going to finish up as quickly as we can with what we have, and then I want to let some of the audience ask you questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that be all right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
		All right, then let us move on.
		This next one, number 18.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right, the next one is Oh My.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And is it just a simple voice barber recorder, and it just says, Oh my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did this relate in any way to anything you were saying, or it just popped up?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, we had just arrived to the location to do the investigation, and I was getting my equipment out of my bag, and the only thing I can think of is that it was saying, oh, my, to what I was, the equipment I was getting out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		Oh God.
		Oh God.
		Oh God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that I hear oh my in that.
		I hear, oh, something, but I can't quite make it out.
		But then I guess that's the way it works.
		Some of this is kind of a Roshak test, isn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of people hear different things.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, I mean, we just put this stuff on here because this is just what we hear commonly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever, when playing these finally for somebody on the outside, after discussing them yourselves and coming up with what you think it said, get corrected when you hear somebody else say, oh, no, it's saying so-and-so?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there have been times that we've had something even posted on the website where it's called something else, and then somebody will say, no, no, I think it says this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you take video cameras with you as well, don't you?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you position a video camera?
unidentified		Actually, normally we carry it around with us everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Handheld?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or when you finally get there, do you put it on a tripod and just...
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It just depends on the place, how many video cameras we have, how big the place is, even.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And it all really depends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of video have you come up with?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've gotten quite a bit of different things.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've got some, we've got about 14 clips on our website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, video clips?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What sort of things?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've gotten the orbs, ectoplasm.
		We've got shadow human form.
		We've gotten an apparition walking by me and Sean, a guy that was there at the location at the school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is all on your website?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		If you go to my website, folks, and you go to the guest area, tonight's guest, you'll see the link right there, and you can hop across.
		Otherwise, what is the website?
unidentified		The website is www.ghostpics, G-H-O-S-T-P-I-X, dot com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's kind of interesting.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We went through this a little while ago, and we found out we actually have now over 102 voices on the website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		102.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then I believe it's 90 photos and 14 videos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The next one in line?
unidentified		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		This next one, first of all, the voice is going to say Roger won't keep her.
		And what he was doing at this time was picking up a rose that had, well, I won't say fallen.
		It was more or less put on the ground for us to find.
		And I'll let Barbara kind of explain this because she actually saw this this night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were in the mausoleum, and we had walked the hallways.
		The building was locked.
		It was probably about midnight.
		And we were walking back through the hallways that we had come to, and there were, in three different locations, a white silk rose.
		The rose was facing us with the stem away.
		It was right in the middle of the floor.
		And this voice was recorded after we came across the first one.
		Roger was putting it back in a vase that was on the mausoleum wall.
		And Barry recorded this saying, Roger won't keep her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Roger won't keep her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		All right, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, quite clearly, Roger won't keep her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounded like a whispered voice, didn't it?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And many of them are quite whispery.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We try to get the loudest ones for the show so that people can hear it plain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea why so many percentage-wise come out as whispers?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think it really, and then again, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it does.
		They don't have the physical means to produce these noises, but it goes back to having the amount of energy to propel them basically onto the tape.
		And whispering would seem like it wouldn't take as much energy as making a very loud voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may be so.
		All right.
		On to the next one.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This next one was sent in to us after the last show, I believe.
		And I think this was sent in from Kenneth in Ohio.
		He emailed us and said that he was quite skeptical, but he had a microcassette recorder and decided to go to a cemetery that was near his house.
		And he said it was very quiet.
		And this one word came on, and it says blasphemy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Blasphemy, huh?
		All right.
		Let's see if we can hear that.
		Here we go.
		It says in fine print.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Blaston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, I would say quite clearly that's exactly what it says.
unidentified		Blasphemy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a religious word from the other side, huh?
		Yes.
		Now, obviously, as a result of this program, as well as the others we have done, people are going to go and try this themselves.
		A brand new tape, folks, never recorded on, a recorder of some sort, and then an external microphone so you don't pick up the machine noises, you know, the motor running in the tape recorder.
		It'll kind of put a rumble in there.
		But if they get these, you welcome people to send them in to you?
		Oh, yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, we would love people, you know, to hear what people have got.
unidentified		And the only thing is, you know, we weren't there.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We can't verify that it is an actual ghost voice because we weren't there.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We don't know this situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if they want to send you one, how do they do it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, they can just send it directly to the website or send it to GIS at ghostpicks.com.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, we normally prefer WAV files, but MP3s work really any audio format.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		People will ask, and so I will ask, websites cost money to maintain.
		And of course, your activities and the equipment and the travel that you do, all of that costs money.
		I take it it comes out of your own pockets.
unidentified		Exactly.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, like we said before, we're doing this out of the love of doing it and out of hoping to get more people to try it.
		I mean, obviously we're not selling anything.
		We don't plug anything other than the website.
		You know, ultimately, we just want more people to go out and do it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Another thing is we keep all of our tapes, and I would love someone that has the technology to really analyze our voices.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And because I would love to have someone that's in authority.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in other words, to help prove that it's not one of you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm with you there.
		All right, fine.
		Well, that's an open invitation, and I'm sure some will do it.
		This program's on tape, and they can pick it off.
		The last one that we have here, where was this done?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, this last one, actually, we had played this on your last show, and we just got so many responses from it that we decided we'd play it again just to let people hear it who didn't have a computer or anything.
		All right.
		What had happened was we had been called to do a live investigation with the local Fox affiliate here in Utah, and we had been called to an old military fort called Fort Douglas.
		And this is kind of interesting because it's a little child's voice, and the lights had just been turned on, but you hear the little child say, it's dark in here.
		And this was recorded by GIS member Barry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I remember this.
		Here we go.
		Oh, God.
		That's right.
		Of all the ones that I've heard, this is the one that I don't like the most.
		There's no question about it.
		This is a child's voice.
		And it's clearly saying it's dark in here.
		Listen.
unidentified		Get some of you there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aye aye, yeah.
		All right, you two.
		Let's go to the phones, and I want the audience to be able to ask some questions of you, all right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
		Who knows what we're going to get?
		First time caller line, you are on the air with the GIS group.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you, sir?
unidentified		This is Michael in Santa Monica.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Michael.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, I had a short story to relate to your guest related to their work and a question on personal safety.
		I recently took a trip to England and visited Edinburgh, Scotland, and was fortunate to go on a ghost tour with a local witch, a gentleman, and he took us to a place, dates probably back to the 15th century.
		It was a churchyard, and he was telling us their estimates were from various events, and particularly the plague, that there were over 250,000 people buried in an area that's probably 50 by 100 yards.
		And the way they achieved that was by laying the bodies out and I guess letting them deflesh some and then crushing the bones into the soil.
		So we have an extreme, or they had an extreme amount of souls potentially there.
		Well, I'm 41 years old, and I guess since I've been a child, I've had certain skills empathically to pick up on things, but I tend to keep it at bay.
		And at this point in being in that yard or in that churchyard, I got some really overwhelming feelings going down.
		And I was with about 15 other people, and he related a story to us about a poltergeist that exists there.
		And it's supposedly related to a king's advocate and something that went on with the Scottish king and queen or whatever at that time.
		I won't get into that, but they seem to think it's related to this individual and his curse and what have you.
		But some three years ago, a 10-year-old boy was thrown 50 feet in the air by an unseen force against the wall and was nearly killed.
		And the Edinburgh City Council, this is documented, locked off that section of that yard and won't let people go in there, anyone at all.
		So it's got official seal on it.
		Now, going into such areas as your guests do, did they ever think about powers like that and the dangers of those things?
		Or ever, you know, or they're suggesting that other people go out and try this.
		should people consider such things as that?
		Because I know when I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Personal safety.
unidentified		Personal safety.
unidentified		I was getting, you know, empathically, I was, you know, for my spirit guides or whatever, I was getting a huge warning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I'm with you all the way, my friend, but I've been listening to them for some time and have asked the same question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the answer is, you guys aren't afraid, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I mean, we personally are.
		And we've said this before on your show, that this is not for everybody.
		I mean, it's your own judgment on if you think you want to do it, but we're asking the people who do want to do it to go out and try this.
		And, I mean, you could get hurt anywhere, rock climbing.
		Well, yeah, exactly.
		I mean, basically anything you do, you have the potential of getting hurt.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		So I do believe that there are forces out there that many people would not know how to react to if confronted by them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, is it possible that if somebody in the audience goes out to try this without the same, in quotes, healthy attitude that you all have, they might get a very different kind of response?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But I believe that my own personal belief is that an actual ghost will not be the kind of entity that would throw a person 10 feet.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe that there are entities out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hate to burst your bubble, and I don't want to do that.
		But I have interviewed a number of ghost investigators, some of the very best, frankly, and some of them have been levitated off the floor.
		Others have had pretty horrific things done to them.
		And I'm sure in the field you've heard these stories, though it may not have happened to you.
		You know it happens.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, and that really makes me wonder if it was an actual ghost as in what we deal with or more along the demon sense, which is something we don't even get into that area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they are two completely separate entities.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We always ask, you know, have you ever performed a seance here or fooled with the Ouija board?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you don't want anything to do with that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That really is a good idea.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Those are two different things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		Hi, Barbara and Brendan.
		Hello.
		This is Karen WMT 600 Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
		I would just like to say number 14 and number 17 sound distinctly like number 14, my name is Jack O. Really?
		My name is Jack O. Oh, no, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say number 14?
unidentified		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		The question marks, but we weren't sure of what it was.
unidentified		My name is Jack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, everybody, everybody, listen.
unidentified		First, everyone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does kind of sound like that, doesn't it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I can hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Number 17, she says, I'm a kid again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		hot.
		I I hear it.
		I'm a kid again.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to hear that too.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		Have you ever run any of these backwards?
unidentified		Some of them sound backwards.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't believe any of these, you know, have any of the reverse speech aid, but we do have some that do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, young lady, very helpful.
		Thank you.
		I think you're right.
		Take care.
		She's got a very good ear.
unidentified		Yes, she does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She was dead right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS folks.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, you said earlier you had a question about whether they had a sense of humor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I believe they had a recording of a ghost laughing after someone told a joke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On a previous program?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that was actually the last show we did with you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It was kind of a dorky laugh.
unidentified		It was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one would have to assume there's dorks on the other side as there are here in copious quantities.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've been gay in the Chanel number five.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess you're right, caller.
		They have a sense of humor.
		Which is kind of an interesting observation about the other side and gives one a little bit of hope.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS folks.
		Hello.
		Oh, no, I didn't push the button.
		Now you're on the air, West of the Rockies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, thanks for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I have a couple of questions directed to both you and your guests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		The first one being is shadow people.
		Yes.
		I've listened over the months, and other people have called in, maybe one or two that I remember, and they all refer to a particular shadow people as wearing a hat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many have, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I think you commented it was, you know, like a fedora.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		20 years ago, I had the same experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw one?
unidentified		Only once.
unidentified		And it appeared to me being more of having a slicker on and a bush hat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And in the 90s, my mom, who's since passed away, had the same experience.
unidentified		And I'm just, if your guests and or yourself Can comment on a commonality like that, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, we've got to take a break, but we'll do that when we come back.
		We'll cover the subject of shadow people and I'll ask my guests about that.
		It would go right along with what they're doing, wouldn't it?
		So, how do you feel?
		After hearing all of this, a little tingle down the spine, possibly?
unidentified		Hmm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Plenty of those.
		I'm Art Bell from the high desert in the middle of the night.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. Remember, we're only here for a blink of an eye, the cosmic blink of an eye.
		Anybody who passes away, you might as well tell them, see you tomorrow, because you will.
unidentified		But we're there forever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least many believe that.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		So appropriate, isn't it?
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back.
		My two guests, of course, Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook from the GIS, the Ghost Investigators Society.
		Not everybody in the world has a computer, folks.
		If they want to get hold of you and they can't email you or get to your website, do you have any sort of address or phone number that you can give people?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I did up until we moved recently, and we're going to get that reestablished soon.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We'll post it on the website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good, because there are people not with us yet in the computer age.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's continue with the audience and see what we get.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with GIS.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, y'all.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Kenny from Canada.
unidentified		My question is, have you ever or ever considered doing a recording with a fresh death, someone on a deathbed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, we have.
		And it's been brought up to us before.
		But that really runs into the question of the morality thing.
		And the ethics.
		You know, and a lot of stuff we do is pretty close to borderline on that.
		But that's one thing that is just kind of crossing over for us.
		And it's something, I mean, it'd almost be like befriending the person just to do that.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you understand, Caller?
unidentified		Excellent.
		Thank you very much.
		That's all I need to hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, take care.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with GIS.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, people.
		An aloha from Hawaii.
		This is Christopher calling from Honolulu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Listening to you on the KHVH.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KHVH, yes, of course.
unidentified		And Art, I just want to say, first of all, I'm glad you're back, and I hope your back is good because I've been there.
unidentified		I've had those back problems, and they're not fun.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		So, and now what I'd like to say to Brendan, I seem to recall at one point or another, somebody was using a television set to try to communicate with the other side.
		Do you know anything about that?
		And have you ever considered using that?
		Yes, yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There was a guy, actually, there's been a couple of people that do it.
		The one that I'm familiar with, and I can't remember his name, he actually has a website.
		But the only problem is it's all in French.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And a lot of this instrumental trans communication, which kind of falls into the level of EVP and also the television set, as the caller is referring to, a lot of it takes place in Germany and France.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's really interesting because Ed Dames had something to say about television the other night.
		Okay, there you go, caller.
		Nothing apparently in this country, but in Europe they're doing a lot of.
unidentified		Well, there was a reason I called was I was referring to a book I had read about some guy here in the United States that had he was the ability to communicate with the other side through television.
		People would actually come up and you could see their images on the screen.
		So I saw pictures that were purported to be ghost people that were, you know, he puts it on a place where there's no station, of course, and there's just static.
		And then after a while, he summons them and they appear.
		And he actually had pictures of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy, that really is essentially the same theory, isn't it?
unidentified		It really is.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Somewhat, yeah, yes, it is.
		I am, I mean, I'm sure there are people in the United States who are doing it.
		And like I said, the only one that I'm aware of is the man in France.
		But he also has video and pictures on his website of the static or the snow on the screen, and then faces and images appear on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't happen to know offhand how to get to that website, would you?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I do have it saved, but I don't, off the top of my head, remember it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Why don't you scratch that out for the next program?
		I'd like to see it myself.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'll definitely do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, Caller.
		That's a good one.
		Because really, white noise on television is really, in a lot of ways, very similar to the white background tape noise that you would get.
		Somebody sent me an interesting Fast Blast and wanted to know why you don't use electronic mini-discs, for example.
		The mini-disc recorder is a wondrous device like a CD recorder, and it virtually has no detectable white noise in the background.
		Had you considered that?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		One of the people who used to be affiliated with us did get a mini-disc recorder, and as far as I know, he didn't get any results with it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I know we've heard of people that have.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And it would record, I would think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, there is a difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that the mini discs and CDs are imprinted with a laser, which would be something of a different technology than the magnetic tape heads.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and, you know, on top of that, a lot of people do do this with digital recorders.
		And the problem I've seen with that is they pick up what's called digital static, which is just a loud burst that can be mistaken as an EVP.
		And a lot of people will think that's an EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Very good.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with GIS.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Congratulations on 500 again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I actually did take the advice after the last program and went to a cemetery and got pretty hair-raising results.
		But I was wondering if you'd ever noticed any sort of pinging or something during a recording.
		It was like what we had noticed during ours was that it would be like the static would start breaking down and then like a small ping or a like a popping sound or snapping.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We have actually within the last few months realized that before a lot of EVPs we will get a pop or a bang or some kind of weird snap sound.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a precursor to the voice.
unidentified		Huh.
		That's interesting.
		But yeah, that was a definite incredible experience for us.
		It was well, I have to thank you for making me paranoid, if nothing else.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we don't mean to do this.
unidentified		No, no, no.
		It was completely our own fault.
		But yeah, we were chased out like four times by.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it is amazing to go out and do this, especially when you realize it doesn't really take that much to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		caller, what do you mean you were chased down?
unidentified		Well, we...
		And I mean, we saw a lot.
		A lot of, like, you know, the little balls floating around.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Ghostlight.
unidentified		Right, right.
		And then we started hearing some little screams anytime we tried to approach a certain part of the cemetery.
		So he pretty much just left every time.
		But, yeah, we got really good results.
		We had one say, yes, we have visitors.
		And then we got another one that says, I can hear you.
		And then another one, well, some of the others we couldn't really make out as easily, but I'll try and send some of those your way.
		If you have the capability to transfer those to Wayfiles, we'd love to hear them.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Well, there you are.
		See, apparently, a lot of people are taking your advice and giving it a try themselves, and apparently with an unnerving amount of success.
unidentified		Well, yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I realized that after the last show we had done where we asked people to do that and see if we could get it played on the show.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We had an amazing amount of people try it and send us a lot of really good stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Jimmy from Pine Mountain Club in California.
		Yes, sir.
		Hi.
		My question is, do you think these souls or beings, wherever they are, are maybe trapped in that place?
		Or do you think it's an imprint on the time in a different place that you're picking up on?
		Well.
		Like an impression, maybe?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		First of all, there's, and this is something I don't think we've really covered yet, is there is two different kinds of hauntings.
		There's the residual haunting, which is like a playback, which is something that's imprinted in the atmosphere and gets played back like a VCR.
		And then there's an intelligent haunting, which is actually interacting with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You seem to get more of those, and that's what worries me.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We do, and there's been times where we get voices that just make no sense to what's going on, and it seems like it almost is just a playback of something that's happened there before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Or that it's talking to one of its own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with the GIS group.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I was wondering if anyone else picked up when, just before a voice starts and during the voice, there's like a high-pitched or echoey kind of thing going on, except for I didn't hear it on the growl when I was too busy listening to the growl.
unidentified		But if anybody had heard that, if they had any ideas to what it was, if there's an echo going on where that entity is, or if it's other entities in the background that you're not picking up as well, or does anybody notice that?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There is.
		As Barbara mentioned before, they seem to have a different quality to it.
		When the actual voice speaks, it has a different quality than the human voice.
unidentified		Yeah, so it doesn't sound at all like a human voice.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Especially.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Almost like it's breaking through a barrier.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, especially if you hear, you know, like one of you guys talking, and then right after that you hear the voice, and it's completely different.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		So there's a completely different quality to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Color, I'm curious, when you hear these, how does it make you feel?
unidentified		Oh, well, I'm sitting up in a hotel lobby all by myself.
		Running around in the dark.
		So I'm doing a lot of cleaning and trying to keep busy.
		Get a little bit creeped out, you know.
		Do you have a tape recorder with you?
		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Quite a few hotels in the middle of the day.
unidentified		No, but there was something interesting happened last week.
		The adding machine was shut off.
		It wasn't supposed to, and it just started printing.
		Oh, really?
		It was just ticket, ticket, pick, tick, pick a picture.
		And I was in the other room and I came in here and it was ticket, picka, pick, pick, pick, and it was spewing out tape full of stuff.
		And that gave me the creeps, and I told it to stop, and it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, a lot of hotels have activity just because of what takes place in the hotels through the duration of its business.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Caller, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		At the bottom of the hour, you had a gentleman call, and he was saying he'd like some information if they've ever seen these beings dressed in black with these either about a fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
		I meant to go back to that.
		What we call shadows.
unidentified		No, wait, wait, wait.
		One second.
		Because a lot of these aren't really shadow-type people.
		They either have black cowls on or they have those hats that almost look like miniature Zoro hats, but they're not really fuzzy.
		They're pretty distinct.
		I guess they fall into the category.
		Anyway, could they comment on that, please?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We had two members visually see it looked like a, they said that it almost looked like Darth Vader type of a shadow.
		They had walked down the road of a cemetery, and they came kind of hustling Back to where I had the camera set up on a tripod, and they said that it was quite large and it was going diagonal across the cemetery.
		It kind of shook them up seeing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can imagine.
		All right, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
		Good morning.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What's going on, man?
		My name's Scott.
		I'm from Houston, Texas.
		Okay, Scott.
		I just want to ask, when y'all play the samples of the ghost, it's weird how it has this microphone feedback.
		Is that from the ghost or whatever?
		The, you know, whatever's on tape?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure what you mean.
unidentified		You know how a lot of the samples it'll play, it'll have this little feedback, but like during the voice or whatever, and it'll, like, I don't know, like a microphone, maybe, like, feedbacking or something.
		It's weird.
		What I'm trying to get at is once I had a video camera, and my friends and I, it was about nine years ago, we were messing around with it, and it ended up that week I had this haunting, and all these demonic pig growls came out over the videotape, and they went on for like three or four minutes.
		It was really strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Demonic pig growls.
unidentified		The best way I can describe it is for me to do it, which would be kind of like, it was like that.
		It was very strange.
		It sounded like a pig and a dog.
		It was very strange.
		And this thing would talk to me and my mom and do strange things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was very strange.
		All right.
		You two, you know, we've talked about things demonic, and I know you try and stay away from it, but inevitably, I'm sure that you have recorded a few that you probably considered on the demonic side, yes?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't know how we could really determine the voice being demonic, but we have recorded some that are extremely menacing or evil.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There was one that we've played on your show twice now, that you little murdering tramp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember, yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think he's kind of deranged.
		I don't think he's mentally ill.
		Mentally ill.
		I don't think along those lines myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Hello.
		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Talk on Switch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, now you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		All right.
		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Derek in Salt Lake City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm 16 years old and I've listened to you for four years, so it's kind of an honor to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And glad to have you.
unidentified		I have two really quick questions, one for these folks and one for Art.
		Okay.
		The first one is, have you guys done any recordings on battlefields from wars like back East or anything?
		Good question.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, we actually haven't.
unidentified		There's quite a few groups that do.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, obviously a lot of the battlefields are haunted.
unidentified		In fact, I would venture to guess all of them are haunted.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But we haven't, actually.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		And Art, I'm also wondering about, you know, the Sounds from Hell recording?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Do you think that's related to this in any way?
unidentified		And have you had anyone, like, try and clean it up so you can tell what the people in that recording are saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that is really a good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I've not attempted to process it in any way.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I have to thank you for scaring me a couple times in the middle of the night when I'm all alone in my room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		And let me do this.
		Let me play this for you.
		This was allegedly recorded from the deepest well drilling in Siberia some time ago.
		The scientists, the deepest well ever drilled, and the scientists heard something and lowered microphones into the ground.
		And allegedly, this, a very rare recording, is what they came up with.
		Listen carefully.
unidentified		Listen carefully.
unidentified		The End Hey, there you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you two were to record something like that, how would it hit you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I, myself, I don't think hell is underground.
		I think that it's a state of mind.
		Since I wasn't there and I don't know what really took place, I can't comment on this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nor might you even want to.
		I understand.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with the GIS group.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		I was wanting to talk to them.
		I believe we got some stuff in our house.
		We've been hearing noises and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I can hear noises on your voice right now.
		I'm serious.
unidentified		Oh, it might be this cell phone.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They do all kinds of things.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		How long have you lived in this house?
unidentified		About between five and six years.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And what kind of things happen?
unidentified		Well, my wife hears mostly.
		Wife and actually the kids, too.
		But a couple times they, about between, most of the bad stuff is between like two and four in the morning.
		Like I had the 20-year-old stepson.
		He was living with us at the time.
		But he was on the couch and all of a sudden they just, like they had the kitchen drawers were slamming, the silverware was flying and everything else.
		And the wife, we woke the wife up and she went in and he was laying on the couch.
		That's where he was sleeping then.
		But he was laying on the couch with his blanket over his head and she asked him what was going on.
		He said, I don't know.
		I'm afraid to go in and see what's happening.
		And there was a one day in broad daylight.
		I was sitting on the couch.
		Nobody else was home.
		And I heard a baby crying.
		And I went outside and looked.
		And there was nobody around.
		well actually nobody around close to us even has a baby.
		Have you researched this house?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		History research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, everybody, we're woefully short on time.
		I'm sorry.
		Please contact them by email.
		Listen, you two, we're out of time.
		We're just flat out of time.
		I'm holding the show to a four-hour format while my back heals, and we'll be back to a five-hour format shortly in case anybody's curious.
		I want to thank you two for being here tonight, and it's scared that you know what out of me as usual.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will do it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, notify me, y'all, when you've got another collection of voices from the other side, all right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We'll definitely do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Night all.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it for now.
		As I mentioned to you, problematic, my presence for tonight.
		I'm going to the dentist this morning for a terrible procedure that you don't even want to know about.
		In the meantime, have a good night.
		I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
		Ta-da.

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