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Aug. 6, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Brendan Cook, Barbara McBeath - GIS

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	KDWN Las Vegas from the high desert and the great American Southwest happy
	to good evening good morning good afternoon wherever you may be
	across this great land of ours and well beyond
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Now cleared on over 500 radio stations internationally, I'm Art Bell.
	Top of the day to you!
	Lots of things to do in the next hour.
	First hour is going to be more or less open lines and a few subjects to make you think.
	But next hour, Brendan Cook and Barbara McPhee are going to be here.
	They're the GIS people and what they do is pretty freaky and you might want to ask yourself whether you want to really hear this or not.
	They take Tape recorders into graveyards with blank tapes.
	Tapes that have never been recorded on in any way, ever.
	And they record the voices of the departed.
	And that's really the only conclusion you can come to.
	That's one they've come to, and we'll have those voices for you throughout the evening.
	All right, let's see what's going on.
	Well, number one, the Bigfoot story of last week.
	The gentleman who had hit in a high-speed crash a 700 pound plus something that he thought might be a Bigfoot tried to get hold of Robert W. Morgan and I just finally got a message from Robert W. tonight on my answering machine.
	He'll be available tomorrow.
	But because I couldn't get hold of him last week, I got hold of another investigator, one whose name you know.
	And this investigator has tried to get hold of the gentleman with the Bigfoot, who claims now he has taken it to a vet.
	Now, the investigator is having trouble because, as you may recall, I advised him to enlist the confidence, the strict confidence of some sort of vet in the area.
	And first and foremost, find out if it was still alive and find out what he had on his hands, that sort of thing.
	Ashy of having an investigator to dispatch immediately, so... He apparently, according to my investigator, says he has done that.
	Although we have yet to contact the vet.
	So that's where things stand tonight.
	Tomorrow, Robert W. Morgan will be on this as well.
	Whether it is a true story or not, I have yet to determine personally.
	We'll see.
	We will see.
	And now, tomorrow night for me may be problematic.
	Tomorrow morning at 7 something or another in the morning, I'm going to go to a dentist.
	Oh my God, do I hate going to the dentist.
	And this is going to be for a root canal that failed underneath one of my, uh, underneath a bridge, you know, so it's under a bridge, which is not going to come off, short of major violence.
	And so what they're going to try and do, I guess, now we'll find out tomorrow morning, is to drill down through, imagine this, just think about this, folks, drill down through the bridge and then try to redo the root canal, which unaccountably failed.
	So we'll see what happens tomorrow, but it may be a little problematic.
	I don't know, we'll see.
	Let us examine briefly the world news.
	Bill Clinton to write memoirs.
	Now, whose memoirs do you think would be worth more dough?
	Bill, the now ex-president, or his wife?
	The now present senator from New York.
	I don't know.
	I guess we're going to find out.
	Let's see.
	His advance is more than $10 million.
	$10 million!
	Well, for $10 million, there's going to have to be some sexy chapters, I would imagine.
	We'll have to wait and see.
	A tropical storm Barry is, which of course blew across Florida, Panhandle there in Alabama today, knocking down tree limbs and power lines and so forth and so on, now appears to be losing steam.
	Two cars on a roller coaster at Six Flags New England Park collided this afternoon, sending 22 people to hospitals with minor injuries.
	Has anybody noticed a sudden flurry of amusement park Troubles, you know, rides caught in midair, pictures of people sort of hanging sideways about a hundred feet in the air, waiting for rescue, that sort of thing.
	Been a lot of that lately for some reason.
	And, you know, it's like taking a plane flight.
	It's one of those things you think about.
	You look at this ride and you think, can I handle that many G's?
	Then you think, do I want to handle that many G's?
	And then you, of course, just for the briefest moment before you get on, wonder, hey, I wonder if those cars ever come off, you know, and go flying into midair, or whatever.
	Well, occasionally they do.
	Now, some more serious news.
	From Matt Drudge, and from all the networks, but in this case Matt Drudge's article, a 21st century shock announcement ...is set to be made at the National Academy of Sciences in Washington on Thursday.
	Up to 200 women will soon be impregnated with cloned embryos in the world's first attempt to produce a human clone.
	The test, planned for November, possibly on a boat in international waters to avoid any political interference, is going to use a technique similar to that developed to produce Dolly the sheep.
	Up to 200 couples from several countries, including 8 from Britain, are being selected for the cloning project.
	Italian embryologist Severino Antonori, whose Rome clinic enabled a 62-year-old woman to have a baby in 1994, is planning to make the stunning announcement in the nation's capital.
	His team for the cloning drill, drills that is, consists of 20 international specialists.
	There will be no Americans in the test.
	According to an insider, White House sources warned that he will not be permitted to impregnate any of the women within U.S.
	borders.
	So, send in the clones.
	It was inevitable, I told you.
	If it has not occurred privately, which I already suspect it may have, here comes the first serious, full-blown public attempt.
	And we are going to have clones.
	What is your attitude about a clone?
	Would a clone, in your estimation, be entitled to all the civil rights, for example, afforded under the Constitution?
	Would a clone have a soul?
	Do we have souls?
	A question perhaps you must first answer before you can ask about a clone.
	I don't know.
	Will clones be indentured servants or something?
	Will there be no difference between a clone and anybody else?
	Will clones be used for body parts?
	Will clones be, perhaps, terrible miscalculations of, I was going to say, nature, but it's not really nature, is it?
	It's some doctor somewhere.
	In this case, an Italian doctor.
	Remember, before they got Dolly, they had a lot of misshapen disasters, and that could certainly occur with human beings as well.
	Listen carefully to this.
	Partly cloudy, with a chance of corn husks.
	For some residents in East Wichita neighborhoods Friday afternoon the weather was in fact that partly cloudy with a chance of corn husks.
	People in homes near 13th and Woodlawn reported seeing what looked like an extraordinarily large dried corn husks of many of them spiraling down from the sky at about 6 p.m.
	Paul Corn Yes, that's his real name, was playing host to a family reunion in his backyard in the 1000 block of Vincent Lane on Friday afternoon.
	He said the family stopped swimming when they noticed something strange spiraling down from the sky.
	They waited for it to land to see what it was, but...
	The frond came to rest just over the fence in a neighbor's yard.
	Then there were more and more.
	Each one about 30 inches long and 3 inches wide.
	They just kept coming down.
	There had to, I don't know, be a thousand of these things.
	Pam Lee was curious enough to jump out of the pool and into the car driving a short distance around the neighborhood to find more, which they did.
	No telling how many of the leaves fell, but several were seen lying across Armour Street between Central Avenue and 13th Street.
	Officials with Weather Data Inc., a local forecasting service, said they had received no reports from the corn husk shower.
	But a meteorologist there, Jeff House, seemed intrigued.
	Corn husks falling from the sky.
	Hmm, he said.
	That is odd.
	Would they have been stirred up by a tornado in some Iowa cornfield, blown hundreds of miles through thick summer air only to billow down on backyards and driveways and eat East Wichita?
	That's good thought, he said, but no chance.
	Not today.
	Our region, in fact the whole country, was tornado-free on Friday.
	Wasn't even particularly windy, he said, just hot.
	So maybe August turned that Iowa Cornfield into popcorn and the Remington Husks exploded into the atmosphere.
	Nope.
	House says doubtful.
	Whatever it was, it was probably caused by man.
	Some residents speculated the leaves fell from a plane.
	Air traffic authorities could not be reached for comment Friday night.
	One more theory.
	University of Nebraska fans were behind it.
	Gearing up for yet another Cornhusker football season, they decided to blanket their southern rivals in a giant and ingenious, we might add, Cornhusker practical joke.
	But nobody buys that one, so anybody out there have any thoughts on how husks of corn, thousands of them, could rain from the sky upon Wichita?
	One local said it's a magical place.
	Just a magical place, he joked.
	It's the land of Oz.
	That's about as good a guess as any of the others we've had.
	Alright, a couple of items to take care of, and then back to it.
	Sound of a jet taking off.
	Let's take a look here at, uh...
	At this.
	Every now and then, somebody will send an email that catches my fancy, and some of you, I'm sure, remember the near-death experience of Sarah, a young church worker.
	Remember that?
	Who went to hell and back?
	And then, of course, Daniel Brinkley, who went someplace or another with crystal cities, and I've... You know, Daniel's, in his past, not been the...
	A prime example of Martin Luther King type behavior, let's put it that way.
	And he got to go to Crystal Cities while Sarah went, you know, somewhere else.
	And I got the following, Hi Art, wanted to send this email for several years now, but I keep thinking you'll get it sometime soon, but I guess not.
	So here's the reason why Danian didn't go where Sarah did.
	You recall the point where Sarah went into the room where all manner of torture and human degradation was being performed, right?
	Yes, of course.
	And you must recall how Sarah pointed out that she realized that anyone could leave at any time if they could only see it, right?
	Right again.
	Well, hell, Art, you know damn good and well that if Daniel had gone there, he would have known he belonged there.
	And he would still be there now.
	Therefore, his experience had to be different if he were to bring any useful information back.
	Sarah, on the other hand, knew she didn't belong there.
	This allowed her to have the experience in such a way that she could pass it on to us without being trapped there.
	This has always seemed obvious to me.
	Hope you see it now, too.
	Well, it wasn't always obvious to me, but it is now.
	Well said, Richard from Greeley, Colorado.
	Thank you very much.
	He's exactly right, isn't he?
	And then somebody wrote this to me.
	This would be, uh, the single most egotistical... Now, we have hit 500 stations with the show, which is really something, and I'm very proud of it.
	But listen to this from Kevin.
	Art, congrats on reaching the 500 pull-up.
	600 seems a slam dunk.
	Inevitably, you will surpass Limbaugh in affiliations.
	Immortality appears assured.
	You should ask Ed Dames to scan the future for the site of your statue.
	Then buy the land.
	Buy the land and wait for the Monument Selection Committee to request the certain purchase.
	Jack the price up and make a big killing.
	Big enough to afford the aircraft of your dreams.
	Whichever it may be.
	And then you and Ramona can tour the world by air.
	Wow!
	You know, he's been thinking about that a little bit.
	Here we are.
	On top of the heap, right?
	And we imagine we're going to go to the very top of the heap, and we're going to get a remote viewer to view the spot of our own monument.
	Not a little bit egotistical, huh?
	And then, moreover, you find that spot, you buy it up ahead of time, and sell it to those who would be erecting your monument for a huge profit with which you buy an aircraft to travel about at your whim and will.
	What planet did you come from, Kevin?
	Aye yi yi.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Going once, going twice, go on wild card line, you're on the air, hi.
	Ah, how about that train through the night?
	Yeah, how you doing?
	Okay, this is Dave and Christopher.
	For one thing, I wanted to mention that it's, well, it's just a good thing that it wasn't Iowa where these things were falling.
	Because can you imagine thousands of buckeyes coming on people's heads?
	Secondly, kudos.
	Forgetting these people on tonight, you've made a household really, really, you know, just great.
	We're glad to hear they're on.
	So you're not going to get scared away, huh?
	Oh, no, no.
	We're going to be there till you say goodbye.
	All right.
	On this one, as every night.
	But still, I'm glad you're back.
	And my main question is, when's Richard coming?
	When is Richard coming?
	Coming on, yeah.
	Uh, let's see.
	Richard C. Hoagland is going to be on this week, and it looks to me like Thursday.
	Full show?
	Uh, sure.
	When does Richard do less than a full show?
	Well, occasionally he does.
	Well, occasionally he comes in to 30, which, you know, but... Richard will always fill the allotted time available.
	Yeah.
	That's Richard.
	Okay, how's your back?
	Better now?
	I appreciate the call, sir.
	Thank you.
	I'm not going to talk about my back.
	It is what it is.
	And I'm just going to, uh, that is verboten talk.
	Nobody is allowed to talk.
	That's a new rule, by the way.
	I cannot imagine anything more boring than having to listen about, you know, to anybody else's medical condition.
	So I appreciate the concern, but that's a rule here now.
	I just, I don't do it.
	I mean, who wants to hear about it?
	We can have a medical condition night, and people could be calling in from all over the world, telling us about their various medical conditions.
	Now, there'd be a real ratings grabber, huh?
	Well, I've had this arthritis heart down on my right knee for a long time, and we could go from there, and we could take individual cases for a long time.
	So, no back talk.
	Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, I'm calling from Chicago.
	From Chicago, the Windy City.
	How are you doing, sir?
	Very good, thank you.
	I've been listening to the Art Burr Show for many, many years, and I have some mistakes.
	I think you have the open lines, right?
	Have what?
	Open lines?
	Open lines, yeah.
	It's open lines.
	Okay.
	Well, you don't get it, do you?
	This is Art, and you are on the air.
	See, when I answered the phone, I said, you're on the air.
	I'm sorry.
	It's just so wonderful to talk to you.
	What can I do for you, sir?
	First of all, I like to admire your show, and I have many experiences in my lifetime.
	There's something wrong with your phone.
	I'm sorry.
	Let me just bring the antenna out.
	Is it better now?
	Oh, you're on a cell phone, aren't you?
	I am, yeah.
	Okay, we've only got about a minute, so let her rip.
	Okay, I just want to say about the... I believe in all the show you have about the spirituality, because I had many, many encounters myself with those things.
	When I was eight and a half years old, I was there when my father passed away.
	Yes.
	And I saw exactly the whole process.
	Of your father?
	You saw the process of your father passing away?
	In eight and a half years old, and I still remember it.
	And that was the main thing which really encouraged me to go and find out what it was.
	And after I studied a lot of books, I believe in spirituality.
	Well, I think that probably, sir, is what gets most of us going with regard to human immortality.
	When we see it, we wonder about ourselves.
	Don't we?
	And so it gets you moving in the area of inquiring about spirituality.
	Because what choice do you have?
	There is an alternative, but it's dead black nothing.
	Doing alright, a little driving on a Saturday night.
	Come walk with me, running down the dead end way.
	Works.
	Well you heard about the child who was killed in the MRI machine when somebody rolled an oxygen bottle into the room
	and it took flight and smashed the poor child's head.
	Go.
	Now, from Portland, Oregon, a man undergoing a routine MRI scan for his wrist at a medical center in Oregon had to frantically escape the machine after the padding around his arm caught fire.
	Randy Rettig, 36, of West Limb, went in Saturday for a diagnostic scan of a nagging wrist injury he suffered in a snowboarding accident last winter.
	He was lying face down on a gurney.
	Aimed headfirst into the machine's giant magnet, his left arm extended over his head.
	Well, about 20 minutes into the scheduled 25-minute procedure, Rettig, who'd been suffering mild claustrophobia, I understand that, said he began to smell A terrible chemical smell, and then there was smoke.
	He opened his eyes and saw flames on his left arm.
	Not exactly what you would want in the middle of that procedure, in the middle of that tube.
	He screamed, predictably, pushed himself backward out of the machine.
	The flaming foam rubber sleeve around his left arm fell off, and an attendant who rushed into the room doused the sleeve in a nearby sink.
	The fire department was not called.
	He wasn't burned, save the hair on his arm, singed.
	In the frantic effort to extricate himself from the machine, though, he did, in fact, re-injure his wrist.
	So, I'm not sure exactly sure what's going on with MRIs lately.
	All I know is, I'm awfully glad that I didn't get to read these stories before I went in for mine.
	Well, this is something from Quebec City in Canada.
	Canada for now, anyway.
	An elderly Canadian man was said to be recovering last Thursday following a savage attack by his pet cat.
	Get this, which drew four carloads of police, two ambulances, and an animal control officer.
	The National Post newspaper said that Gerald Daigle, 80, lost no less than a pint of blood And required stitches after his cat, Tiltie, a diminutive roughly meaning tiny, launched a frenzied attack at Daigle, who was apparently, check this out, giving his pet parrot a shower, inadvertently spraying the cat with water.
	Daigle, who lives in Quebec, halfway between Montreal and Quebec City, could not be reached for comment on Thursday.
	The newspaper said he was saved by his 81-year-old wife, who wrestled, wrenched the cat away, only to have it then turn on her.
	The paper quoted Daigle as saying, the cat wanted to eat her too.
	The couple managed to chase that cat into the bedroom, slam the door.
	Police responded in force because they thought they were dealing with a domestic emergency.
	Well, they were.
	It's not known why Daigle, by the way, was giving his parrot a shower.
	I have no idea why anybody would give a parrot a shower.
	Maybe we have this cat named...
	Yeti.
	You know, for Bigfoot.
	He does have big feet.
	Big... Paul is a big cat.
	And he loves to go into the shower.
	If you open the shower door for him... I mean, first of all, no matter what you're doing in any bathroom, he demands to be in.
	He will scratch at the door until you let him in.
	Sounds kind of like... At the door, if you can hear that, wait a minute.
	I can do it better.
	And he will do that until you let him in.
	And then if you open the shower door, he will go in there.
	He wants to know what the shower is for, and I can't tell you how many times I have been tempted to allow him in, close the door, and give him a life instructional lesson on exactly what showers are for.
	But I've not done that yet, and in view of Mr. Daigle's unfortunate fate, I guess I won't.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	I'm calling from Montana, and I need some information.
	There's been a series of cattle mutilations.
	Oh, more cattle mutilations in Montana?
	Well, we have very, very close friends that just had cattle mutilated in their summer pasture just a few days ago.
	And they've taken pictures, and the sheriff went out there.
	The local paper's done kind of a big write-up.
	They don't have a lot of information and we haven't found a lot.
	Alright, alright.
	Number one, would you mind sending me copies of the photographs?
	No, we have a video as well.
	Well, that's fine.
	I prefer photographic copies if you have them.
	Okay, I can send photographs.
	Okay.
	Number two, you should probably... Who has this been so far reported to?
	Um, well, one of the county sheriffs and I believe the, uh, the local newspaper.
	I see.
	But, um, there was one, they, they contacted another county that it was actually, it happened in, uh, in one particular county and they weren't interested in going to look.
	Uh-huh.
	But it was like a sheriff from three counties away that... What was the, what was the manner of the mutilation?
	Um, an eyeball was extracted, um, A teeth, a tongue was completely removed all the way down back by the backbone.
	A teeth was removed and then it was the same like the genitalia was like they were trying to get to the ovary.
	The sheriff that looked at it, he's seen three in one month and he kept lifting up the leg, you know, which they thought was kind of weird, but there's like an incision, not an incision, but like an injection.
	Um, in that particular area, and when they lifted the skin, there was bruising under that area, and it was green wherever there was, like, a particular injection or something.
	Holy smokes.
	It was green, yeah.
	Um, I mean, it's true, and we just saw the pictures tonight, and the video, and the, the other cattle would not go around it, except for the bulls were just, like, throwing a fit.
	Um, and they've been farming or ranching for 30 years, and they've never, ever had this happen.
	Um, is there a veterinarian examining the carcass?
	Well, no.
	I mean, they have the sheriff.
	Go and look.
	I mean, they know plenty of veterinarians, but at this point, it's like probably three days old, so the maggots have kind of gotten to it.
	All right, I'll tell you what.
	You contact me by email if you would.
	Are you able to do that?
	Yeah, is this Art Bell?
	Yes, it is.
	Oh, well, hi.
	Hi, hon.
	If you would contact me with these photographs at artbell at mindspring.com, I will do two things.
	One, I will get photographs up for all to see, and two, I will put you in touch with a reporting agency to Get this investigated pronto.
	Do the wild thing at 775-727-1295.
	Oh, hold on.
	I don't want you to give your last name on the air, hon.
	So, I took that out.
	Your first name is Laura.
	We'll let it go at that.
	Contact me and I'll proceed.
	Thank you, Art.
	Alright, take care.
	What in the world could these animal mutilations be?
	Or would it be out of this world?
	I have thought and rethought and thought about this again and again and again.
	And here we are in the middle of it once again.
	And I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams what earthly force could be doing this.
	Because, and do you realize that in all the years of cattle mutilations, and there have been so many, nobody has ever been convicted of the crime.
	And it is a crime.
	Nobody has been convicted.
	With all of those years going by and all of those mutilations, for that to be the case, there almost has to be some external force at work.
	The only question is, what external force and why?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	Good morning.
	I'm calling about the cow mutilations.
	I've done a little bit of research involving those, and they seem to be in the area of the dispersion of some of the nuclear tests.
	Have I seen where the United States... Well, that would not necessarily, sir, be Montana.
	No, but some of those areas are wide-ranging.
	Some of the cattle have been moved over the years.
	And the United States Air Force as well as some of the other medevac people have an electronic laser pen and some of the stuff that I've seen they're going in and taking a series of tests to see if there's been any long-range effects from a test back in the 60s.
	Yeah, maybe, maybe not, but another thing... That would certainly be a really good theory if cattle mutilations were restricted to those areas that we know might have been affected, but they're not.
	Yeah, one other thing, maybe if Richard comes on, I was wondering some of the things that's going on at Devon Island with the Stanford Research Genome Project.
	A lot of things up there pertaining to Mars research and things of that nature.
	All right, well, we'll certainly ask.
	There's an awful lot of recent news, as you know, on Mars.
	The discovery of these incredibly gigantic canals that carried enough water to fill Earth's oceans, or at least some of them.
	I mean, just a tremendous amount of water.
	The gases that have been interpreted as carrying life.
	From some of the material digested by one of our robots.
	Very controversial, but a lot of news on Mars.
	Mars is a really, really intriguing place.
	And Richard C. Hoagland, no doubt, is going to have a lot to say about it this coming Thursday.
	West of the Rockies, you are upon the air.
	Hello.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	Okay, got it off.
	All right, welcome.
	You're talking about the parrot taking a shower, right?
	Well, it didn't exactly take a shower.
	It was given a shower by this man.
	Right.
	Well, we had parrots when I was younger, and they loved to take a shower.
	That's the way they get in there, and they'll clean their feathers off.
	Oh.
	So it's not an odd thing to give a parrot a shower.
	Oh, it wasn't for us.
	I don't know that everybody that has one does it, but they really like getting a shower, especially if you start them from when they're really young.
	Okay.
	Alright, well that explains that.
	It doesn't explain why this cat would so viciously attack his owner simply because he got sprayed with a little bit of water.
	Right, well, maybe the cat didn't like water, right?
	Maybe the cat... Maybe there was something... Well, there's cats and there's birds.
	And birds and... Birds and cats have traditionally not had a good relationship.
	So maybe... Maybe the cat thought the bird sprayed him.
	Yeah, or maybe he thought the bird was doing something to his owner, or maybe something like that.
	That could be it, too.
	All right, sir, I appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, that could be true.
	I suppose.
	What greater insult than to be sprayed with water by a bird if you're a cat?
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Is this Art Bell?
	It is.
	Oh, gosh, I can't believe I got through to you.
	And yet you have.
	Jenny in St.
	Petersburg.
	Jenny!
	You know, I just discovered your show.
	I can't believe it, but I just discovered it about three months ago.
	And I'm just delighted.
	In listening to some of your guests, I've realized things about myself that I didn't understand.
	Like what?
	And it's quite... No, like what?
	Tell me.
	Well, one thing I realized that I definitely saw a shadow person about ten years ago.
	Oh, yes.
	I had convinced myself that it was my imagination.
	No, no.
	But it wasn't.
	No.
	And I also have realized now that I have been remote-viewing all my life.
	Well, you know, people say that, but I'm not so sure that you've been remote-viewing.
	No, I'm sure.
	Well, you probably are psychic, but remote-viewing is such a specific discipline.
	You must go to school virtually or get tapes that will instruct you because it's so specific in protocols.
	It's probably fair to say you've been psychic all your life.
	Well, that's probably true.
	As a matter of fact, when I was a teenager, it happened to me all the time.
	And I was living in such a dysfunctional family and was so afraid that I sort of suppressed it because it frightened me.
	I haven't talked to anybody in years who has lived in a functional family.
	I mean, it's like they're all dysfunctional.
	Do you know anybody in a fully functional, Ozzie and Harriet kind of family?
	Well, now that I'm older, I know that that's true.
	But when I was a teenager, I thought that my family was the only one.
	The only one?
	No.
	No, no, no, no.
	And in fact, last week, I called the Washington Police Department And told them about a vision that I had had.
	Is this, uh, Washington, D.C.?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	About the Shondra Levy case.
	Ah, yes.
	Now, I thought that they would think that I was just crazy.
	And?
	And the man that I talked to was very, uh, receptive to what I was telling him.
	And in listening to your guest... Ed Dames?
	Yes.
	Uh, what I told this man fits in with what he said.
	Now that is interesting.
	In fact, they probably have a record of my phone call.
	They probably do, yes, they record them all.
	When I talked to him, he pulled up my name and my telephone number.
	Yeah, he said, is this so-and-so at such-and-such a phone number?
	Oh, really?
	I said, yes, it is.
	Yes, well, they basically have a readout of all of that, you know.
	So, I didn't even know what I was saying to him.
	All I told him was what I saw.
	And now, after listening to your guest, what I saw fits in with what he said.
	Well, time will tell for the both of you.
	Well I'd really like to get in touch with your guest because now I'm so excited I really want to talk to him and you know maybe get some training in it and I am really interested in that missing children because I actually have found a missing child through my remote viewing.
	Okay I appreciate it but again what you're doing is not remote viewing not technically because To remote view you have to utilize specific and very strict protocols.
	And people say that.
	I've been remote viewing all my life.
	No, you really haven't.
	You've been psychic.
	And there are many people who are lifelong psychics.
	Some of them would be indeed well advised to take remote viewing training.
	And they would sharpen and hone their skills.
	And the best remote viewers, indeed, though not easily trained, are those natural psychics.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, I'd like to talk about something I saw the other night, this Saturday.
	All right.
	What did you see?
	Where are you?
	Titan Mountain, Tennessee.
	All right.
	Okay.
	This Saturday night, I was outside on the front porch, smoking a cigarette.
	Yes.
	And I just looked up, and I saw this black object.
	It was huge.
	I mean, it was really big.
	Could you discern the shape?
	Yeah, it was like a triangle.
	A huge triangle.
	I mean, it was black and had lights on the back of it.
	Yes.
	And it was just, it wasn't flying.
	It was like it was just gliding, floating.
	You know, I've heard, I've listened to your show.
	I've heard, you know, you talked about it before.
	And, uh, and then, you know, I saw some cars down the road.
	I don't know if anybody else saw it or not.
	How apparently high in the sky, sir?
	I would say probably 1,500 feet.
	It didn't seem all that high at all, you know.
	1,500?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Something like that.
	You know, maybe a little less.
	Maybe less.
	All right.
	But it just glided across.
	It just glided through there.
	And I mean, I called my son out, and he saw it also.
	And it had three lights on the back of it.
	And it seemed to have, as it got further away, it seemed like there was a red light that appeared.
	Every now and then it would come on, go off.
	And I don't know if anyone else saw it or not.
	I just wondered if anybody in the area did, that they might call in and be interested
	and find out if anybody else saw it.
	Was there anything in your newspaper?
	Did you, uh, phone your local, uh, law enforcement to find out?
	No, I didn't.
	No, I didn't.
	I didn't.
	I should have, I guess.
	Gotta do these things!
	Yeah, I need to.
	But, uh, what did happen, though, in about an hour, I guess almost an hour later, there were, I heard, two helicopters.
	Yeah, I mean, I heard the helicopters.
	I went outside and there was two helicopters come over my house.
	That is so typical.
	So typical.
	Yeah, there was two helicopters come across there.
	Well, you've got to wonder, is it one of ours?
	Yeah.
	Or is it one of theirs that we are chasing?
	Yeah, I mean, there was no noise at all.
	No noise at all.
	If I hadn't looked up, I would have known it was there.
	Well, as I say to people who call, as you do, welcome to the club.
	What do you think you saw?
	I don't think it's one of ours.
	I think it's from somewhere else, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, that... I kind of tip in slightly, ever so slightly, in the same direction, based on what I saw.
	Right.
	I don't think we have anti-gravitic... No.
	No, I don't think we do either.
	No.
	Uh-uh.
	Not yet.
	All right, sir.
	No missing time or...?
	Not that I'm realizing yet.
	Not yet.
	Strange marks on your body?
	No.
	Not yet.
	All right.
	I appreciate the call, sir.
	Thank you very much.
	Triangle Report.
	Now there's no question these vehicles are real.
	One question that you would have to ask yourself, and I ask myself all the time, is if it would be an alien craft, surely it would not need navigation lights.
	And yet the one I saw had, in effect, I don't know if there were navigation lights, but it had lights.
	And why would an alien craft have lights?
	You would think it wouldn't need them.
	It could disappear, it could morph, it could do whatever it is those crafts do, but the one I saw had lights too.
	That might indicate it's one of ours.
	What do you think?
	You are all the women I need And baby you know it
	Know it, know it, know it To make this baby a king
	A crown of all the women All the women, all the women
	I'll give you all that I own I'll give you all that I own
	We're all born into this house storm of life aren't we?
	This night, we're going to ride into a cemetery and we're going ghost hunting.
	Would you like to come along?
	The Ghost Investigators Society is next, with recordings from the other side.
	Hey, listen, uh, very quickly, I thought this was exceptionally cool.
	I'm gonna do an advertisement for Hardin Optical in a moment, but Eric Martin, who bought a A telescope just like mine, just like the one you can get, took a photograph of the moon.
	He writes, a photo of the moon I took with the telescope you advertised.
	I just put my Sony Macava up looking through the eyepiece and I sure would like to know how Eric has done this.
	I've put the photograph on my website because it is astounding.
	How did you do that?
	I tried the same thing.
	Of course, I didn't get my I didn't get my camera down to the macro level, which is what I should have done, I suppose, but he got a remarkable picture for just putting a, you know, a camera up to the eyepiece of a telescope.
	Absolutely astounding!
	And that's on the website right now at artbell.com.
	If you wish, take a look.
	In the meantime, let's tell you all about it.
	And now, the Ghost Investigators Society, uh, originated by Jenny Nielsen, Roger and Barbara Macbeth, and Brendan Cook.
	Brendan is the webmaster of the GIS website, and we've got a link to it on our site.
	He has been conducting ghost research and ghost investigations in the field for the last three years.
	Brendan was very skeptical about EVP.
	That's electronic voice phenomena.
	Until, that is, he recorded EVP for himself three and one-half years ago.
	It happened.
	Now it can happen for you, too.
	And if you listen closely tonight, they'll tell you how you can do it if you have the cojones for it.
	His desire to learn how EVP happens has been the driving force in his continuation of conducting ghost research and investigations.
	His goal is to help explain the phenomena of EVP since Barbara With a small child and able to read, she has researched and read everything she could get her hands on concerning true ghost experiences.
	From true ghost stories of experiencers, to case files from ghost researchers in the field, plus her own interviews with those who have experienced ghost phenomena.
	Although she grew up with grandparents who had practiced spiritualism,
	and she indulged in it herself until she reached young adulthood,
	her views have changed over the years toward the entities that she used to deal with in her seances,
	and the ghosts that linger in our realm.
	She was raised not to fear the entities who were in her house as a child,
	and does not fear the ghosts who remain among us.
	She's been researching and investigating for over 30 years.
	Here would be the two of them.
	Brendan and Barbara.
	Welcome.
	Good morning, Art.
	Hi there.
	How's all since our last program?
	Going well.
	Good.
	We've been busy.
	Good.
	You know, I still am not sure that I understand, even after all these years, what a ghost really is.
	Do you all?
	Well, a ghost is Fairly simple.
	It's really just the essence of somebody who has lived and died.
	They maintain the same personality they had in life, and they carry that over into death.
	That's not to be confused with the demon and fallen angels, whatever you want to call it.
	Yeah, but the question is, the same personality, the essence of the person, that's like saying their soul, right?
	Exactly.
	That's the pits.
	I mean, if you die and then you remain about to wander and scare people occasionally and God knows what a ghost does, you know, on a full ghost day, for example, but it doesn't sound particularly appealing.
	Well, they are to be very pitied.
	I believe that someone that stays as a ghost is Someone that is very sad most of the time.
	I think when a ghost becomes happy they don't stay very long in our realm.
	I think they go on.
	Most ghosts are to be pitied and to feel sorry for.
	Okay.
	That would mean that they had some sort of Tragic occurrence in their life where they had a very sad life.
	Something that caused their spirit not to be able to move forward as it is supposed to.
	Roughly correct?
	Yeah, but you know, we also tend to believe, you know, they have a choice on if they want to go or not.
	And if they choose to stay here, it might end up being the wrong choice.
	Uh, because they're forced to just stay and watch their loved ones, but they can't interact with them in any way.
	And I think that's a lot of what tortures them.
	Yeah, of course it would.
	I mean, watching your wife remarry and... Exactly.
	Zoom around in a little sports car, whatever.
	I also believe that a lot of ghosts that we come in contact with Were transient type of people when they were alive they didn't go with the program in life And they're not going with the program in death.
	That's correct.
	I think they were kind of loners very miserable in life We're seeking Vengeance or revenge ah an interesting point now.
	Do you believe that a ghost?
	can in fact in some ways seek and Vengeance?
	I believe that some ghosts, if they, especially like if they were murdered or... Yeah, avenge their own death, for example.
	I feel like until they feel like justice has been served, I think that that could be something that would keep a soul here in our realm.
	Why would you think that Graveyards, this is another thing that bothers me, you see, that graveyards would be a rich location in which to go searching for electronic voice phenomena.
	If, in other words, if I were a ghost, you know, I don't, I don't do a lot of visiting of graveyards here in life.
	You know, they're kind of depressing in their way, right?
	And I understand, too, you may not feel that way at all, but for most people, graveyards are not exactly You know, a happy play.
	That's right.
	And so then, if you're a ghost, are you, for example, required to hang around your old decaying physical body?
	You know, there's a lot of theories on why a lot of... I'm trying to think of the word here.
	A lot of ghosts would manifest in Graveyard there's a lot of theories of why they would but I tend to go along with one Theory that would suggest that their religion in life claims that at a certain time God would come back and there'd be paradise on earth, but they had to stay by their body up until that point and
	And that might be why they have to stay in a cemetery where their body's at, or a mausoleum, or wherever it's at.
	I know, but half the people these days are cremated.
	What about those folks?
	I really wouldn't know.
	I think any place that's associated with death has activity.
	Well then, how about, this is a rather macabre suggestion, but I know you all are looking for rich fields of EVP.
	Why not go to a crematorium?
	We have.
	You have?
	You've done that?
	In fact, I believe a few of the voices tonight are actually from this crematorium.
	Oh, really?
	Mm-hmm.
	Great.
	That would be great to hang around after you're gone.
	Oh my gosh.
	All right.
	Let's, for those who have never heard this before, there will be some, Let's prep people for what they're about to hear a little bit.
	You have very stringent standards about what you do.
	For example, you never record on any audio tape that has had anything ever recorded on it before.
	Is that correct?
	Exactly.
	That's really one of the biggest rules of recording EVP is always use a brand new tape.
	A brand new tape.
	So, there's no chance, none whatsoever, that the voices were from some previous recording, because that would be the first conclusion that everybody nearly would jump to.
	We've all heard partially erased or poorly erased tapes, and you can get some pretty eerie things from those, but that simply would not be the case with what you're doing.
	No, no, that's not the case at all.
	We always use brand new tapes.
	In fact, a lot of times we buy them that night that we go out.
	Um, you are not the first to, uh, get into this field, are you?
	Electronic Voice Phenomena has been around for quite some time.
	Uh, do you know the history of it?
	Um, I do.
	And, you know, I'm really glad you mentioned that because, uh, the last couple of shows we've done with you, we have had people email us saying, oh, you've introduced me to the idea of EVP and I'm so glad you guys discovered this.
	And we don't want people to think that at all.
	I mean, we did not discover this.
	This has been around for a long, long time.
	And all we're doing is, you know, researching it as much as we can and hopefully taking it to a different level than the people who've done it before us, uh, Rodavay and so on.
	Well, when did this begin, do you know?
	Uh, as far as I can tell, it's been around since the 50s.
	Uh, I believe, uh, Thomas Edison, uh, experimented around with it when he was, uh, Inventing the phone.
	He felt like you could contact the dead through the phone.
	Did he really?
	Yes and so this this concept of being able to communicate with the dead has been around even before electricity.
	You know.
	Oh now isn't that interesting.
	Edison thought it would be possible and maybe perhaps Edison heard a few things.
	Yes.
	In fact, I just recently was reading about his viewpoints on being able to contact with, you know, the dead and he felt very strongly that the phone or the recorder was capable of being able to make contact.
	Why do you think that a disincarnate spirit Would have an easier time, and I don't think you're going to be able to answer this, an easier time, do you think that it has something to do with the fact that we are electrical impulses, we are electric, magnetic beings in the first place, and so therefore imprinting something on a magnetic medium like a tape is... You know, I personally really believe that's it.
	Since we've been doing this, I've Really looked at ghosts as electromagnetic beings.
	In other words, that's what they use to do anything.
	They either create or manipulate the electromagnetic field.
	All right, I guess I can sort of intellectually buy off on that.
	Energy isn't destroyed.
	It changes form, but it is not destroyed.
	And our brains are giving off electrical impulses constantly.
	Alright, how can this not creep you out?
	You know, and I'm glad you brought this up too because we do have a lot of people who email us saying this is so scary and I can't believe you do this.
	I feel the same way.
	I feel the same way.
	I've had little brushes with things that I can't explain, and they have scared the you-know-what out of me.
	You know, you guys are doing real serious work, which is really scary, and I don't know how it cannot creep you out.
	Well, you know, you really have to look at ghosts as people.
	You can't look at them as something that is invisible and it's going to jump out and scare you, or the way Hollywood's portrayed them.
	You have to look at them as people, and this is what we tried to do.
	Now, imagine you go into a supermarket, and how many of those people are actually going to try and hurt you?
	You have to turn around and look at it the same exact way with ghosts.
	Well, I don't know.
	My wife comes back with some pretty harrowing stories from the supermarket.
	But seriously, If a ghost was, I suppose as uninvolved strangers, why then you may be alright, but if a ghost is capable of going after somebody for vengeance, to get revenge for their own death or somebody else's, but probably their own, then
	That means they're capable of manifesting something or another in life, right?
	Otherwise, how do you exact vengeance as a disembodied spirit?
	Well, exactly, but in the same sense, I mean, it's...
	Just the same as a living person doing it to you.
	There really isn't a difference other than you can't see a ghost or what it's going to do to you.
	But that's a pretty big difference folks.
	They don't have the physical capabilities and I think that what they are able to do is something that they learn.
	I don't think because of us being such physical beings, I don't think that that is something that comes very natural In death, and I feel like myself, I feel like that is something if they are able to manipulate our physical world because they can defy our logic.
	You have been told, Barbara, excuse me, you've been told the both of you in some recordings to basically get the hell out of here.
	That's right, but I've been told that as a kid when I was climbing somebody's apple tree.
	Well, maybe so, but if a spirit tells you to get the hell out, it... So you just sort of regard it then as a... Some cantankerous kind of personality.
	I mean, I come across people like that in life.
	It doesn't terrify me.
	I might think, you know, what an ornery sucker, you know?
	If one really negative thing were to happen to you, you know, physically, some physical thing, I mean something flies through the air and hits you, you feel a choking, something awful like that, would that be enough to turn you away from any further work in this area?
	That would even just intrigue us more.
	I've been slapped and that just made me to the point where I wanted to do this every moment I was awake.
	And sometimes it's very boring.
	I mean, you know, there's times, I mean, it's not a continuous adventure of something continuously happening.
	It's very boring at times.
	I mean, You know, as far as we can tell, there's nothing going on.
	We can't see anything in our infrared video cameras, and we're not aware of anything taking place around us.
	Brendan, when were you slapped?
	I was slapped, this was probably about a year and a half ago.
	We were investigating a cemetery, and it was just the four of us, Barbara, Roger, Jenny, and myself.
	And everybody had got out of the car.
	Me and Jenny were in the back seat.
	Jenny had got out, and I was still getting out of the car, grabbing our equipment and handing it to her.
	And I had reached back to hand her something, and I felt a slap on my arm, and I turned around and I said, Jenny, why did you just... And I turned around and looked at where she was at, and she was probably 20 yards down the road.
	So Jenny did not slap you?
	No, no.
	Was there any follow-up in EVP about why you were slapped?
	No, not as far as I can tell.
	No, we didn't get anything.
	So, unlike 99.9% of the U.S.
	population, if you were slapped or choked or otherwise physically assaulted, it would make you more interested.
	Oh, yes.
	You all are crazy.
	You know, I've had things thrown at me.
	I mean, it, uh... Through the air?
	Things thrown through the air?
	Oh, really?
	And it just, it intrigues you all the more?
	Oh, yes.
	You know, you want to find out, you know, are they trying to get your attention, or are they, is it something that's happening just because of their energy, of what they're feeling that's causing some kind of event to take place, just from their energy alone?
	Is it something that they intended to do?
	Yes.
	Is there a better time?
	Is midnight better than 12 noon, even in a graveyard?
	You know, really, it doesn't matter.
	You can pick up ghost activity at any time.
	We do it at night just simply because it's quieter.
	I see.
	There's very few people out in the cemetery or wherever we happen to be investigating.
	I don't want to give the impression that we just investigate cemeteries.
	No, they're a favorite.
	Just because they're so easy and they're kind of a place for us to relax.
	And also, we usually go at night because of the use of the infrared camera.
	Uh-huh.
	All right, you two, hold on.
	I'm not big on cemeteries during the day, much less late at night.
	Now, when we come back, we're going to begin playing some of these recordings made at cemeteries for the most part, at night for the most part.
	Prepare yourself.
	I'm Art Bell.
	It is.
	We've got tonight with us Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook.
	But there are five members of the GIS, the Ghost Investigators Society, and they've had incredible experiences involving ghosts during their investigations, such as being touched by unseen hands, hugged, Slapped?
	Experiencing unexplicable cold spots?
	Having objects thrown at them?
	Sightings with a naked eye?
	Experiencing unexplainable fragrances and odors?
	Objects appearing?
	Hearing unexplainable sounds and voices from nowhere?
	The society believes that the GIS website has some of the most astounding EVPs ever recorded and also shows how our consciousness survives after the body dies.
	Coming up in a moment, we're going to explore some of those recordings, recent recordings, onto blank tapes of voices from the other side.
	Now into the darkness of the night in the cemetery.
	In case you didn't want to do it yourself, that's why we have these two with us this morning.
	And we're going to explore some of the recordings recently made by the Ghost Investigators Society in the middle of graveyards or crematoriums or wherever.
	So, you two, welcome back.
	I guess we should begin at the beginning, and I know there's sort of an explanation that goes with each one of these, so why don't you talk to me about the first one?
	Alright, well I'll take care of the first one here.
	This first one wasn't, it was only a few months ago that we recorded this.
	It was at a private residence that we were investigating, and Barbara had said, can you come and be with us?
	And you'll hear this voice say, she'd be with her dad.
	Now I think it says she's with her dad.
	And Barbara hears she'd be with her dad.
	Okay.
	Uh, let's listen and see what we all think.
	Here it is.
	Uh, that's, that's very hard to hear it.
	So it's a second voice.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	Hey, let me, uh, let me try that one more time.
	There's a repeat on there, which I missed.
	Here we go. Uh-huh. She's.
	She's with her dad.
	It sounds like she's with her dad.
	And that's what I hear.
	Uh, who... Was this somebody who had passed away?
	Uh, well, actually, nobody had been reported who had passed away in this house.
	Uh, this lady had just contacted me one day and had... I mean, she was frantic when she had contacted me.
	Uh, saying, I think my house is haunted, you know, how soon can you guys be here?
	I tried getting some other ghost groups here and no one would, uh, respond to her or get back with her, so she got a hold of us and we came out that night.
	So it wasn't haunting?
	Yes, there had been activity in the house.
	They could hear doors shutting and steps going upstairs and... Well, I doubt that this recording exactly made the person feel better, did it?
	You know, I'm not really sure.
	I mean, the main thing was that she got confirmation that her house was haunted and, you know, she wasn't being paranoid or just hearing things.
	Losing her mind.
	There's so many people that question their sanity when they have something going on because they have a preconceived notion about ghosts and they all, you know, it's a normal thing for people to feel fear from it.
	But, well, okay.
	And I suppose the media has contributed to that.
	Yes, Hollywood movies and ghost stories and they're always portrayed as something evil and wicked.
	Well, if I thought my house was haunted, I had heard things and seen things and then I invited you all over and you came up with that, the next call would be to a priest.
	I'm serious.
	Well, they're able to see it on video and Actually hear a voice that's recorded from their location that the haunting has taken place.
	It gives it a more human aspect, really.
	All right, on to number two.
	This one might be a little confusing.
	There's four different voices here.
	Brendan had told us we were in a cemetery and we were sitting in our lawn chairs and Just kind of relaxing, and Brendan had told us about something that he had done, and you'll hear my voice first, and it says, you're just a little busybody, aren't you?
	And Roger didn't know who I was talking about, and the next voice you'll hear is his, saying, who?
	And then the ghost voice says, Brendan.
	The ghost voice says, Brendan.
	Yes, and then Brendan says, who?
	And I say you, and Brendan says what?
	So the voice that says Brendan is the ghost voice.
	Alright, here we go.
	Brendan, a very, very fast Brendan.
	Yes.
	And how, I'm curious, There were how many of you there?
	There was four.
	Four of you there.
	How are you able to be certain that it's not one of the four who uttered that in some, you know, in some way that the microphone picked up?
	For example, where do you put the microphone?
	I carry mine, it's on my back, at my neck, you know, on the edge of my shirt up behind my neck, so it's not the Underneath my mouth or around my mouth.
	All right.
	How are you all able to be sure that it's not one of you four who uttered that, Brendan?
	Well, you know, first of all, what we'll do is, well, I mean, obviously we know no one else would know this, but us that know each other would know that's no one else's voice.
	I mean, that does not sound like anybody, you know, that was there.
	And on top of that, me and Roger were the only two guys there.
	And you hear both our voices in that clip.
	And it's an obvious man's voice.
	The other thing is that once we get this voice and extract it and put it onto the computer, we'll render it to a WAV file and then search through the ELF range, which is extremely low frequency.
	And that's actually how we determine if it is a ghost voice or not.
	Does a ghost voice on tape have any different characteristics than the normal human voice?
	As far as speech-wise, it sounds like they do.
	It seems as almost they talk syllabelically.
	They don't talk like a normal human does.
	In other words, they form words extremely different, actually.
	It has a different sound to it, too, like it's either coming through water.
	There's a different quality to the sound.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Here comes number three.
	Where was this done?
	Actually, number three was done in the same cemetery as the last voice.
	And at this time, this was in the summer.
	This was only, I believe, last month.
	We'd been sitting inside of my car because we didn't want to get out.
	There was just a cloud of mosquitoes in front of us.
	And we just sat in the car and it turned on the tape recorders and the video camera.
	And everybody had been quiet at the time this voice came in, and it's just a real whispery, I just got an idea.
	I just got an idea?
	Yes.
	Now that's an unusual thing for a spirit to say, isn't it?
	Uh, you know, it is.
	It's an original one for us, as in we've never heard it before.
	Because, uh, consci- well, let's take a listen to it first.
	Uh, here we go.
	You're listening for I just got an idea.
	I just got an idea.
	I just got an idea.
	Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
	Quite clearly, almost whispered I would say.
	Exactly.
	I just got an idea.
	That bothers me a little because I've always preferred to think, to be honest with you too, that a ghost is nothing but a remnant of a human soul, that it is in fact not the human soul itself, not consciousness as it were, but I just got an idea would be something that would come in my opinion from A current consciousness.
	Right, and I hope that in these voices, and especially the ones with interaction, they respond to us.
	A lot of times when they speak, they are speaking about something that we are doing.
	They are responding to us, something that's being said or done.
	And it shows consciousness.
	They're aware of us.
	I don't know if I like that.
	I don't know if I like that.
	I mean, personally, doesn't it bother the two of you to be confirming to yourselves that consciousness exists after death and it may well exist here on Earth in an incarnate state?
	Doesn't it bother you?
	No, and I don't see why.
	I mean, I think it's fantastic if we Well, maybe it's wonderful.
	that we continue, that when we die physically that we are still going on,
	that we just don't stop. I think that that's wonderful.
	Well maybe it's wonderful. It's wonderful in my opinion if you go to a
	different place that for example they call heaven or you know or a different
	dimension or something like But to imagine you're hanging about on Earth, trapped as it were, until something better happens and you rise to the other place.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	All right, on to number four.
	Where did we do this?
	This was in a cemetery in Wyoming and we were doing an investigation.
	We had stopped at a Uh, the police department and asked them if it was okay if we went into the cemetery and told them what we were doing.
	Um, by the way, I've got to stop and ask, how do the caretakers at cemeteries, perhaps the guards and or the police react to this kind of thing?
	Gosh, you walk into a police station and say, listen, we'd like to go over and sit around in the cemetery and do some recordings of dead people.
	You know, Actually, a lot of times they're extremely open to it.
	In fact, one of the cemeteries we do quite a bit, we actually have...
	Uh, the police sit there and watch us do it because they were interested in what we were doing.
	You're kidding.
	They had had experiences and had people tell them of experiences that they had had.
	Most of the time, you know, we'll invite them to be there with us, just for our own safety.
	Well, I'll tell you, of all the groups out there that I get ghost stories from, I would say the police are the most prolific.
	I get more ghost stories, really serious ghost stories.
	Yeah, they're in locations, you know, it's quiet.
	They go to areas.
	That have a lot of activity many times and they have a lot of experiences.
	It's very surprising.
	Well sure, they're associated with crimes and violence and the underside of civilization.
	And yes, I would imagine if ghostliness is connected with that sort of activity, then sure.
	Okay, so occasionally they'll actually come to the cemetery with you.
	Alright, so So we were in this cemetery and Brendan and Roger had wandered off together and me and Jenny were going through it together and this was in the dark and Jenny, it sounded like she stepped in water and when we shined the flashlight down there was no water and the ground was dry and she was telling Roger and Brendan about it when they
	Came back to where we were, and you'll hear Jenny say, it sounded like I stepped in water, and this voice says, she did.
	Although she didn't.
	Alright, here we go.
	Okay.
	Alright, I could hear she did.
	And it sounded like, I thought, a female voice.
	Yeah, it kind of does sound feminine.
	Uh huh.
	Um, so the ghost was confirming she stepped in water, but she wasn't in water.
	No, there was no, the ground was dry.
	We thought maybe there was like a puddle from them watering or something in there, you know, earlier in the day, but the ground was dry and there was no water.
	I heard it too.
	I wonder if perhaps there was water on the other side.
	It could be.
	In other words, we've all speculated, I think, that when you die, you may move into a different dimension.
	So many good physicists believe that the other dimension is just that far away, you know, holding my fingers very close, very close to us, and so perhaps there, there was water.
	Yes, but I, you know, we both Both me and her heard the sound of water when she stepped into this, you know.
	You heard the sound of water?
	Yes, I thought she had stepped into a puddle.
	But there was no water?
	There was no water.
	Okay, on to number five.
	I'm afraid to ask about this one.
	All right, well actually this next one is a little bit different from anything we've done on your show.
	On the last show we had asked people to go out and try this for themselves and send us, you know, the results that they got.
	Yeah, oh yes, that's right.
	And this, you know, we got a wonderful response from it and unfortunately we could only put a few on onto this CD.
	But this was from a man named Brian.
	He had lived in Maine and he had heard us on the show and decided to go out and try it.
	And he just went to his local cemetery and picked up this voice which It sounds to me like it's saying store, but there seems to be another word before that.
	But when he edited the WAV file, he, uh, cut it off.
	So I don't know if that first part was a ghost voice or just the store was a ghost voice.
	What you're going to be listening for is the word store.
	Okay.
	Uh, here we go.
	Oh, that's, uh, that's quite clear.
	It simply says store.
	Did they, when they send these to you, do they specify in what manner they did them?
	You know, some of them do.
	Some of them send more lengthy emails on what the temperature that it was when they recorded it, weather conditions, all that.
	And he had sent just a really short email, but I had put it on because it was so clear.
	Why do you think that the majority of the recordings that you do are so short?
	In other words, instead of getting entire thoughts, as in at least, you know, a sentence or a paragraph, you tend to get single words or two or three words.
	Yeah, I believe it's because it takes a lot of energy for them to do this.
	And I think it's also something they learn.
	And I know Barbara, you know, thinks the same way.
	It's something that they end up learning, and I don't think a lot of them have the skills to do it, but it also takes a lot of energy for them to be able to put this onto the tape.
	Do you believe that they are able to hear you in full, unlike the way you're able to hear them?
	In other words, you only catch very brief snatches of what they're saying, and yet they seem to be responding many times to what you're doing or saying, which would imply that they are able to monitor you almost full-time.
	I myself, I believe that they are fully aware of us most of the time.
	Kind of like a one-way mirror, huh?
	Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it.
	All right, on to number six.
	This one was recorded by GIS member Barry.
	We were in Mausoleum and there was just Barry and Roger and myself there.
	And we were down in the basement and we all, all three of us heard what sounded like a woman scream and you'll hear Barry say, what was that?
	So you didn't, you didn't get the, uh, so do you hear, well, okay, why ask?
	What was that?
	Yeah, what was that indeed?
	One more time, listen very closely to the very beginning, that noise.
	What was that?
	Oh, that's weird.
	It almost sounds like it is saying something, but when we actually heard it at the time, it almost sounded like a woman's scream, but it sounds like it is saying something, but I can't tell what it is.
	Yeah, I can't tell what it is either.
	And, uh, screams would not be good.
	Uh, you don't, you know, scream implies things are not going so well on the other side.
	You know, when, when you have something happen like that, unexpected, it takes you by surprise.
	You're not, um, it catches you off guard and you don't have a second opportunity to hear it again, you know, at the time.
	Do y'all plan to keep doing this or is there a point where you say, we've proven, in other words, what are your goals?
	You've recorded so much from apparently the other side or from some place.
	What are your real goals?
	Are you going to continue doing this and what do you hope to prove?
	You know, at least me personally.
	My goal is to educate people that this is really out there.
	This is a phenomenon that's actually happening.
	It's not something that Hollywood's made up.
	And ultimately, to get more people to go out and try this.
	And eventually, you know, make more people believe that this is something that's really out there and our consciousness does survive.
	It's not something we have to be scared of or terrified of.
	But I am scared of it and I am terrified of it.
	And you know, there are also a lot of people who say, look, what you're doing Is going to lead to an open door policy for things that you might not like walking through the door.
	And I'm sure that's been said to you as well, hasn't it?
	Oh yes, and you know, I've been involved with this sort of thing all my life.
	I've never been harmed.
	It's something that fascinates me so much, I can't get enough of it.
	I plan on doing this until the day I die.
	Uh, and we'll talk about that, uh, in a moment.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast, a investigative... Good morning, everybody.
	We're investigating the Ghost Investigators Society and Voices from Beyond the Grave.
	These are recorded on totally empty tapes, completely empty tapes, and then processed on a computer, and we'll ask about that in a moment, as well as what Our investigators plan to do when they are gone.
	And as we all face mortality, and certainly they're no different, I'm sure they have plans, at least I would imagine they have plans themselves, to try and get back with some sort of message.
	At any rate, we'll ask about all of that.
	Stay right where you are.
	Back now to the Ghost Investigators Society, represented in this case by my two guests, Barbara McBeth and Brendan Cook.
	You two, welcome back.
	Now, when you all pass away, have you ever, I'm sure, in the hours that you while away in cemeteries and crematoriums and mausoleums, you've probably talked about your own mortality from time to time, haven't you?
	Oh yes, we talk about it quite often.
	There's a lot of people that I know, I've told them, if you feel somebody tap you on the shoulder and you turn around and nobody's there, it was me.
	They'll know I've croaked.
	So in other words, you are going to actually try.
	I am going to try.
	What, if you had a word or two That you could say and get through on a tape to somebody.
	Think about it for a second.
	What would it be?
	If you could only get a word or two through, and that seems probable based on what we hear on these tapes, what would you try and get through?
	Interesting.
	Yes.
	I guess my mother's maiden name would be a good one because it's so unusual.
	It's a French name.
	Uh-huh.
	That would be good.
	Her maiden name.
	That'd be good, I suppose.
	What about you, Brendan?
	Mine would probably be, I'm alive.
	I'm alive?
	Yep, that would be it.
	Or maybe more appropriately, I'm dead.
	Well, yeah, could be.
	All right, let's move on.
	Number seven.
	What have we here, and where did it come from?
	Well, this one was recorded in a Head Start building for migrants, and It's weird because we had a lot of high activity on our EMF meter.
	And in this one area... What is an EMF meter?
	It's an electromagnetic field detector.
	It just detects variations in the electromagnetic field.
	Which, as I said before, I think ghosts tend to either manipulate or create an electromagnetic field.
	Also, as something is imprinted on your tape, you might see that activity.
	Exactly.
	Do you normally, as a matter of interest, in other words, are you able to correlate the EMF changes with the imprint on the tape?
	You know, actually, we are.
	And in fact, this is one of the voices where it was really close to where we were getting a high peak on the EMF detector where we recorded this voice.
	Oh, isn't that interesting?
	All right.
	And what do we have?
	All right.
	Well, this voice, it was recorded by Barbara.
	And in it, you'll hear GIS member Barry saying, little bear.
	And then he says, no, big bear.
	And then after, you'll hear a woman's voice saying, uh-uh, big Barry.
	Really?
	And the ghost voice is the one saying, uh-uh, or whatever?
	Big Barry?
	Yes.
	The ghost voice is the one saying, uh-uh, big Barry.
	All right.
	Let's take a listen.
	I want to hear the first part again, one more time.
	Ooh, that is really weird.
	The laugh, is the laugh from a ghost?
	I want to hear the first part again one more time.
	No, I'll stay fair.
	I'll stay fair.
	Oh, that is really weird.
	The laugh, is the laugh from a ghost?
	No, that laugh is Jenny.
	Yeah, the laugh is Jenny.
	I always want to be clear on exactly what we're hearing here.
	I Do you hear laughs from ghosts?
	Do you ever get what you would call a sense of humor from the other side?
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	We've recorded that quite often.
	We've recorded different laughter that's not ours.
	Well, that's slightly encouraging.
	To know there might be something humorous on the other side.
	We keep our sense of humor.
	All right, we're going to kind of race through these.
	Number eight.
	This one was recorded by Barry in an old theater, and he was talking to me about the wood on the banister, and he had just said that he wondered if it was the old original wood.
	And the ghost voice comes in and says, I believe.
	Really?
	All right, let's take a listen.
	I believe.
	Yeah, I believe, I believe, I believe.
	One more time, a ghost voice.
	I believe.
	Out of absolutely nothing, on an empty tape, huh?
	That's right.
	And try it.
	There are going to be a lot of people, this time as well as last time, that are going
	to want to try this themselves.
	Do they need any particular kind of recorder?
	They don't.
	Any recorder will work perfectly fine.
	The only thing we ask, and we do somewhat differently, is we do use an external mic just to cut down the background noise of the motor on the tape recorder.
	Oh, that's right.
	There is a noise associated, a very low-level kind of rumble noise.
	Exactly.
	And, you know, a lot of these EVPs come in directly in that range of that background noise.
	They're just buried in there.
	Have you ever received an EVP from a tape without a mic at all?
	I think my very first one No, I have to take that back.
	My first one, my first tape recorder did have an external mic.
	The reason I say this is because if they electromagnetically imprint this on the tape, the implication would be they don't need a microphone to do that.
	Exactly.
	And if you do need a microphone to do it, then you should occasionally be able to hear this aloud yourself.
	Have you?
	Yeah, and sometimes, yes, we do hear this.
	It's very rare, but we do hear it.
	You do hear it occasionally?
	Yes.
	That's what I was saying, it takes you off guard because you're not expecting to hear it and you're really not sure at the time what it is that you heard.
	Okay, then let me extend it.
	The reason I say this is because you could put a preamplifier on a microphone and of course greatly extend a microphone's range of ability to pick up even the tiniest voice or noise.
	And, see, we haven't done that because we're, I mean, we fund this all ourselves, so we're limited in what we can do, although I'm sure those aren't really that expensive.
	There's a lot of the technical stuff I'm not aware of.
	I'm from the old school, and I don't know what's available out there to use.
	Oh, there's an awful lot of stuff.
	I know there is, and I'd love to know what... See, that would help me understand.
	Is it really the microphone picking it up?
	Or is it, in fact, being directly imprinted on the tape?
	Yeah, and that's something I think we definitely will try, and hopefully we'll actually get some results out of it.
	Okay, number nine.
	All right, well, this one was recorded by GIS member Barry, and it was recorded in the mausoleum that we go to quite a bit.
	And this one's kind of interesting, and we can't figure this out.
	You hear Barbara laughing, and we don't know why she's laughing.
	I can't... It's been so long ago, I can't remember what I was laughing at.
	Yeah, this was recorded quite a while ago.
	Right.
	And right after, you'll hear a voice come in saying, what's so funny?
	Oh, really?
	It sounds like a little child to me.
	Uh, let's take a listen.
	What's so funny?
	Oh, it does sound like a child's voice.
	And it does sound like it's saying, what's so funny?
	I'm out.
	I see all of these or most of these really imply to me that we've got an ongoing current consciousness Commenting on the situation or commenting on something that you all have said in the immediate area and that just chills me to the bone.
	They are aware of us.
	They interact with us.
	I believe that we get such a good response because of how we are with them.
	We treat them like they're people.
	We're quite laid back even though we're very serious about what we're doing.
	We invite them.
	To join in our conversation and talk with us because people have a tendency not to butt in people's conversations that they don't know and aren't invited to.
	And so we always invite them to be with us and to talk with us and join in.
	in. One more time on this one.
	Yeah, that was so funny.
	That's got kind of a... And this seems to be the case with children recorded in this way and other manners as well in the reverse speech arena.
	The children seem to have a kind of a surreal sound to their voice.
	Yes, there's a different sound to their voices.
	Any idea why?
	Other than how much energy it takes to do this, that's the only thing I can think of.
	Like it's a real effort.
	And so perhaps the more mature spirits are able to get their voices through intact?
	There are voices that we have recorded that are louder and stronger than what we sound on the tapes.
	I mean, there's some voices that we've recorded that are very strong and clear.
	Alright, during the recording of this particular CD that we're pulling these from, there was perhaps a little too much treble added, we should tell the audience, and so there might be a little bit of the audio that you should be hearing missing from these, right?
	Yes, yes there is, and it occurred after, well it occurred while I was burning the CD, but I didn't realize until after I had sent it that there had been a problem with the treble in the audio.
	Alright, number 10.
	Uh, this one, um, you'll hear, uh, Barry ask Jenny what, uh, she thought about, uh, videotape that's on our website, uh, it's called Zane's Orb, and he was asking Jenny what, uh, she thought about this video that he had taped.
	And, um, you'll hear Jenny respond that, uh, it was really good, and then this voice comes in and says, liked it.
	Liked it?
	Liked it.
	Okay, let's see what we have.
	What do you think of that horse?
	It was a lot of fun, yeah.
	One thing, uh...
	That's, uh, pretty good.
	I enjoyed that.
	Liked it?
	Mm.
	Liked it?
	Liked it?
	Liked it.
	Liked it.
	That's a good one.
	I liked it.
	That was very clear.
	That was very, that was too clear.
	The clear ones really tend to get me.
	And it was, again, it had that That kind of sound to it is that otherworldly other side sound to it.
	Let me see if I can do that one more time.
	Here it is.
	What do you think of that one?
	That one thing, uh...
	That's a very strange sound, man.
	Blinded.
	Yeah, a very strange, otherworldly sound to it.
	Are you all absolutely sure that there's no shenanigans here?
	There's no mistake here?
	It's not one of your voices, it's absolutely out of the blue, so to speak.
	No, we're positive.
	And, you know, we have people, and you have to expect it with what we're doing, but we do have people who email us and say, no, you guys are just full of it, And you're faking this and, you know, and all we can tell them is we write back to them and say, you know, why would we fake this?
	I mean, we couldn't come up with this stuff.
	I don't have an imagination for it myself that, you know, and we have nothing to gain.
	I mean, we don't want any money.
	I know that that really is true.
	You all are not seeking.
	You're not writing a book.
	You're not selling anything that I'm aware.
	Are you selling anything?
	No, no.
	I mean, we'll never we'll never charge for an investigation.
	We'll never charge for merchandise or Uh, access to the website, anything.
	I don't think there's any reason someone should charge for that, especially doing this kind of thing.
	So then what would you describe this as, a hobby?
	Uh, it's a real intense interest.
	Driven, driven by what?
	I want to know.
	I will probably never find out until after I die, but everything that has ever happened and the occurrences and the responses that we get, I just Find fascinating about the only other possibility you two that I can imagine and I'm gonna rule it out But it's a possibility is that you could be in a graveyard adjacent to a radio station for example and a radio stations RF could get into a tape recorder But that just doesn't wash because you've done it from too many locations if it was just one location
	And there was a radio station nearby.
	One could imagine you'd get occasional bursts of something or another, but obviously not with all of the separate recordings in so many places that you have done, so... There's also another point, too.
	There will be times when there will be like two, three, or four of us that are taping, and only one person will pick up a voice, and the others are in close proximity where they should have also picked it up, and they won't pick it up.
	Which I think is an interesting facet of this.
	I do too.
	And I don't know if it's directed just to that person that tapes it or what the condition is, but that's happened many times.
	Now, is there any particular kind of discussion that you have at these sites that seems to bring it on more than others?
	There really isn't.
	We do find a lot more of the times that They're just interacting with what we're doing.
	When we're not even directing stuff at them, they'll interact with us talking between each other and just kind of butt in like they're part of the conversation.
	All right, let's do one more before the break here.
	Number 11, what have we here?
	All right, now this one you should like.
	We were invited into a mortuary.
	To do an investigation.
	The people who were on call in this mortuary had seen a lot of things.
	I believe it was a man, a shadow of a man?
	A man in black walking past the room where they do the embalmings.
	He's been seen several times by different people that work there.
	Right as we're walking in, me and Barry were right next to each other, and Barry says to me, I hope there's no body down here.
	And directly after, you'll hear this voice say, talk to the dead.
	Talk to the dead.
	Now, it's kind of interesting, because Barry was wearing his GIS shirt that night, and on the back of the GIS shirt, it says, the dead speak.
	All right, here we go.
	There's no body down there.
	Talk to the dead.
	Talk to the dead.
	Oh, brother.
	Uh, one more time.
	Talk to the dead.
	It's better now, huh?
	Talk to the deck.
	Talk to the deck, huh?
	That's just great.
	Absolutely great.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good sacks on the other side.
	That was S-A-X.
	But the other would be alright too.
	Alright, back into the night.
	Cemetery's, mausoleums, the crematoriums.
	I'm sorry.
	Once again, my guests, and welcome back, you two.
	Thank you.
	I get a lot of questions by computer with something called Fast Blast, which people can do from my website.
	Joe in Providence, Rhode Island would like to know if you have ever had a voice respond to your thoughts.
	In other words, something unspoken.
	That would indicate that perhaps they can read thoughts as well as loud voices.
	We have had a ghost voice come in and say a word.
	Prior to one of us saying that word.
	All right, that leads to another question from Mike in Las Vegas.
	Art, I notice the voices usually come when they are interacting.
	Have they ever considered that it might be their own thoughts that are being recorded?
	Yes, we've had that brought up to us.
	And your reaction?
	Some of the Some of the voices that we've recorded, um... Yes?
	It kind of makes you wonder.
	But... In other words, that you could be projecting this one of you, yourselves?
	Yeah.
	So you don't rule that out?
	No, you can't rule out anything, really.
	Good.
	Uh, we, we... That's one of the purposes of...
	I'm glad to hear you say that.
	It could be that.
	And I might even be slightly comforted thinking it might be that.
	That makes you feel better.
	It might make me feel better.
	All right, on to number 12.
	However, this voice, it would not apply.
	To what you were just saying.
	I see.
	Barry had recorded this in a mausoleum and it sounds like a female voice and it sounds kind of surprised or delighted.
	It says people and it sounds like, oh people!
	Oh really?
	Was there a female living person present?
	Yes, I was there and Jenny was there.
	Okay, and neither one of you uttered this?
	No.
	All right, let's see what we've got here.
	People.
	All right, obviously it's saying people.
	People.
	I was surprised.
	You're right.
	People.
	They show emotion.
	These voices.
	It's great.
	Uh, maybe it's great, but yeah, that's as though... Oh!
	People!
	Great!
	Nice to see people!
	All we've had is stone and other dead folks.
	When you all pass away, do you plan to be buried or cremated or stored away in a mausoleum?
	I would like to be buried myself.
	That's my personal preference.
	Uh-huh.
	How about the other half here?
	He's too young to even think about it.
	I just haven't even thought about that yet.
	Think about it.
	I mean, really, would you like to have your ashes scattered to the wind?
	No, probably not.
	Not, huh?
	No, it'd probably be burial.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right, on to number 13.
	All right, well, number 13, this was recorded by Barry in that mausoleum.
	And he was talking about an old apartment that had been, uh, previously a funeral home.
	And this voice just comes in and says, y'all know.
	Just kinda in the old, old slang, saying y'all.
	Y'all know.
	Uh, is, are any of you Southerners?
	Yeah, I am.
	Well, Barbara, yeah.
	Alright, let's see if we can nail this.
	Y'all know!
	Ooh.
	Y'all know!
	Oh, that is, that is really, that is really odd.
	Let's do that again.
	That's obviously not Barbara.
	Oh, my, my, my, my.
	Do you, do you all, do you come to an agreement on what is said in these recordings?
	Not all the time.
	This next one that we're going to be doing We all heard different things, so we've just got question marks on it because we can't come to an agreement on what it says, and several times that happens, you know.
	All right.
	Are there any other voices, or are we only going to hear the voice from the other side here?
	No, this next one you're going to play is just the EVP itself.
	Well, I'll let you play it first.
	All right, let's just play it, and let's let everybody decide.
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	Oh gee, I don't know either.
	Let's try it again.
	Where's the cell phone?
	Uh, Barbara, what do you think that is?
	I think it's saying... I think the word never or ever is in there.
	The last word I think is either never or ever.
	Brendan?
	I have absolutely no idea.
	At all.
	I can't make any... I mean, I hear a voice, but I have no idea what it's saying.
	So, ever or never.
	Let's listen again.
	It does sound like ever at the end, doesn't it?
	Mm-hmm.
	That's what I think it's saying.
	Not ever or... I don't know.
	But we've all heard different things.
	We can't come to an agreement on what this says.
	Just pulled out of the ether, huh?
	I suppose...
	If you two were selling a book or in some way financially benefiting from this, you would be peppered with allegations and accusations.
	We are anyway.
	Yeah.
	I mean, either way people will.
	I mean, even if it's something that ends up scaring them, that'll be a reason for them to say, no, you guys are full of it.
	And like I said, the only thing we can do is tell them, you know, we have nothing to gain by fooling you or creating these fake voices.
	I mean, it would be pointless, really.
	So then, to properly do this, all somebody really needs is a tape recorder, preferably with an external microphone.
	A brand-new tape.
	And a brand-new, never-recorded-upon tape.
	Fresh batteries.
	And a desire.
	And a desire.
	And, uh, would you recommend that they go to a spa... I mean, graveyards, for example?
	Is that... No.
	You know, you've got to use some common sense.
	And you don't want to put yourself in harm's way.
	You don't want to go out by yourself.
	If anything was to happen, you'd want a witness there.
	Preferably get the owners or officials permission to be there.
	I would think most times owners or officials would not give you permission to be in these places.
	We have had Uh, real success when we've wanted to investigate a place, uh, when you are up front and... Well, let's, let's pretend that I'm the owner of a, uh, I don't know, a cemetery.
	And, um, and you, you approach me.
	How do you approach me?
	What do you say to me?
	I introduce myself and I, uh, say that I understand that there has been ghost activity reported in this location.
	And there are five members of the GIS.
	We are credible.
	We are discreet.
	And we would like to do some documentation and research in this location to see if we can pick up anything.
	I would say something like, look, there are a lot of relatives of people who are buried in the cemetery that I preside over.
	And they might object to what you're doing.
	If somebody's coming and visiting a gravesite, they might object to what you're doing, if you're there with a group and a recorder and all the rest of it.
	Well, most of the time, like if we do go to a location in the daytime, like a cemetery, we're just walking around.
	Most people don't even realize that we have a tape recorder.
	And we...
	Or we'll sit down next to a grave on the lawn and we'll pick, you know, arrange flowers and pick up weeds and
	things.
	We're no different than anybody else in the cemetery during the day.
	And we don't flaunt what we're doing. We're very discreet about what we're doing.
	We don't want to make the living around us feel uncomfortable.
	And there has never come a time in all of this when the two of you or the four of you have been just scared out of your wits?
	Well, there have been occasions when a couple of members have been uncomfortable and when we go to locations where a member does feel, does not feel good about that location, sometimes we won't go back.
	I see, so that has happened then.
	Yeah, but the majority of times I always want to go back.
	Even if you're scared?
	I haven't been scared.
	I have been... I had an occasion once where I had walked into a building that I had just walked out of and I had turned and walked back in and there was a horrendous odor.
	I mean, it was just a putrid smell.
	Hit me in the face.
	And I had to leave before I got sick.
	And I knew nobody else smelt it.
	There was no way that they could stay in there and not get sick.
	What about these temperature drops that I hear about?
	I'm told that when there's this kind of activity, when something comes across from the other side, whether it be a voice, or an apparition or whatever it is that frequently the
	temperature drops.
	Yes, that is correct. That does happen and that is one of the reasons we use and a lot of other groups use
	a thermal scanner just to document temperature changes like that.
	Oh you do? Yes.
	So you're going into these areas and armed with a fair amount of equipment.
	Oh yes.
	And that gets back into what you said earlier.
	Anyone can do this and you can spend as much or as little money as you want and still get really decent results.
	I mean it's basically all up to you.
	This other equipment, I mean thermal scanners, I guess you could take a thermometer.
	How much temperature change have you seen?
	We've actually seen some really dramatic temperature changes.
	For one instance, I believe it was last summer, we were in a cemetery that we, it was the first time we'd ever investigated it, and we haven't actually been back since.
	Just because we haven't had the time.
	But I think we probably documented almost a 50 degree temperature drop in one area.
	50 degrees.
	All right.
	50 degrees. All right. Number 15.
	All right. Well, this one was also recorded in a cemetery.
	And this was interesting because both Barbara and Roger had been in their their vehicle at this time.
	And Barbara had her tape recorder on her.
	And then her husband had put his in the back of the in the back of their truck.
	And you'll hear Roger in this say, I've been hearing noises, referring to his tape recorders wheels turning.
	You can hear him squeaking.
	And this woman comes in and just says horrific.
	Horrific?
	Okay, let's see if we've got that.
	What do you know it's... horrific. Horrific. Horrific. Horrific indeed.
	Um... Um... I just don't know if I like this.
	To be honest with you, I don't know if I like this.
	Alright.
	A number of people want to know what kind of processing you use after you pick this from tape.
	In other words, you no doubt have to sit and listen to hours of tape and you find something you know is anomalous, a word not said by any of you.
	Then how is that processed?
	Well, I mean, it's actually fairly simple.
	What we'll do is once we find something we question as an EVP, we upload it, extract it from the tape onto the computer, transfer it to a WAV file, And we use CoolEdit.
	It's the easiest thing to use.
	And that'll basically give you everything that you need to know about the voice.
	It'll give you statistics, frequency, everything.
	And from there, if we go to post it on the site, we'll down-sample it so it's a small file size and everyone can download it.
	Or if we're, say, using it for a radio show, we re-up-sample it and transfer it to a CD.
	That's it, then.
	I mean, it's really fairly simple.
	Okay, uh, another.
	The next, 16.
	Uh, this was recorded in an old building that used to have, uh, it was a brothel originally at one time.
	The cribs are still there, the old wallpaper.
	It's now, uh, kind of a new age, uh, business in there, uh, on the main floor.
	And then upstairs is, uh, where the cribs are.
	And, uh, Barry recorded this, uh, and it's a, A female voice and she says, gonna miss you and I mean it.
	Really?
	Alright, here we go.
	listen carefully everybody. Yep, got that.
	Gonna miss you and I mean it.
	No question about it.
	Are you able ever to Attach meaning to what's said, and or does it happen later?
	In other words, either sparked by your conversation or by a story of the place or a story of a haunting that had been there, meaning to what's being said to you?
	Well, the majority of them are interacting with us.
	Like on this one, I don't think anything was being said at the time that he recorded this.
	Hmm.
	Just so it just came kind of out of the blue, right?
	Right.
	Strange stuff, folks.
	Really strange.
	And for some reason you all are you just you seem so unfazed by it.
	Well, it's something you just end up when you do it as much as we've been doing it and spending as many hours a week as we do it.
	You just end up getting used to it almost and you just look for the more the more active places to experience more things.
	All right we've got one more and then a few in the next hour and then I want to open the phones and let folks ask you questions.
	We didn't get to do much of that so let's try and get through these.
	Number 17 what have we got here?
	All right well this one goes back to not knowing what's being said.
	People are hearing different things and I'm gonna let you see what you hear.
	But you'll hear a growling and then a woman's voice directly after.
	A growling?
	Yes.
	And the growling is anomalous.
	It is an EVP.
	We didn't hear it at the time.
	Gotcha.
	Alright, here we go.
	Oh, that is strange.
	Oh, that is strange.
	One more time, folks.
	Again with a little of the low end missing, it's a little harder to tell about the growling,
	but some kind of deeper noise, obviously, and then it sounds like a female voice, but
	I don't know what it's saying.
	And all of us have heard something different.
	I hear, go get a kitty.
	I hear, go kitty cat.
	Go kitty cat?
	Mm-hmm.
	Gee, maybe there's kitty cats on the other side.
	Oh, kitty cats.
	Oh, that is so strange.
	It does sound like kitty.
	I hear the word kitty quite clearly in there.
	Have you had any indications of animal activity on the other side or the awareness of animals on the other side?
	This would be one obviously.
	Well in the house that we're Renting that we've moved into recently, I keep seeing out of my peripheral vision, I'll think that it's one of my animals.
	I have a cat and a dog and I'll think that I see something run by.
	And I'll go to check, and my cat will be sacked out on the bed, and my dog's outside, so... All right, you two.
	Hold on.
	Stay right where you are.
	We've got more from the other side, and then we'll open the phone lines.
	I'm Mark Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	9-0-3.
	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	It is indeed.
	Good morning from the high desert.
	This is Art Bell, and I've got the GIS online right now.
	Coast Investigator Society.
	They record on blank, brand-new tapes voices from the other side.
	We're going to play a few more this hour, and then we're going to open up the telephone lines and let you ask questions.
	Anything you want.
	And I can imagine you've got questions.
	Back into the night, back into the other side with my guests.
	Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook.
	You two, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	All right, this hour we're going to finish up as quickly as we can with what we have, and then I want to let some of the audience ask you questions.
	Would that be all right?
	Yes.
	Okay, good.
	All right, then let us move on.
	This next one, number 18.
	All right, the next one is, Oh My.
	And it's just a simple voice.
	Barbara recorded it, and it just says, Oh My.
	Was it, was, did this relate in any way to anything you were saying or it just popped up?
	No, I was, we had just arrived to the location to do the investigation and I was getting my equipment out of my bag and the only thing I can think of is that it was saying oh my to what I was, the equipment I was getting out.
	I see.
	All right, here we go.
	Oh my.
	I'm not sure that I hear oh my in that.
	I hear oh something but I can't quite make it out.
	But then I guess that's the way it works.
	Some of this is kind of a Rorschach test isn't it?
	Yes.
	Well a lot of people hear different things and I mean we just put this stuff on here because this is the what we hear commonly. Do you ever, when playing these
	finally for somebody on the outside after discussing them yourselves and coming up
	with what you think it said, get corrected when you hear somebody else
	say, oh no it's saying so-and-so? Oh yeah, there have been times that we've had
	something even posted on the website where it's called something else and then
	somebody will say no, no I think it says this.
	Now you take video cameras with you as well, don't you?
	Yes, we do.
	Uh-huh.
	Um, how do you position a video camera?
	Actually, normally we carry it around with us everywhere.
	Handheld or when you finally get there do you put it on a tripod?
	Sometimes we do put it on a tripod.
	It just depends on the place, how many video cameras we have, how big the place is.
	It all really depends.
	What kind of video have you come up with?
	Well, we've gotten quite a bit of different things.
	We've got about 14 clips on our website.
	Oh, video clips?
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	What sort of things?
	We've gotten the orbs, ectoplasm.
	We've got shadow human form.
	We've gotten apparition walking.
	By me and Sean, a guy that was there at the location at the school.
	And this is all on your website?
	Yes.
	All right.
	If you go to my website, folks, and you go to the guest area, tonight's guest, you'll see the link right there, and you can hop across.
	Otherwise, what is the website?
	The website is www.ghostpix.com.
	Okay.
	You know, it's kind of interesting.
	We went through this a little while ago and we found out we actually have now over 102 voices on the website.
	102.
	And then I believe it's 90 photos and 14 videos.
	All right.
	The next one in line?
	All right.
	This next one, first of all, the voice is going to say, Roger won't keep her.
	And what he was doing at this time was picking up a rose.
	Well, I won't say fallen.
	It was more or less put on the ground for us to find.
	And I'll let Barbara kind of explain this because she actually saw this this night.
	Barbara?
	Well, we were in the mausoleum and we had walked the hallways.
	The building was locked.
	It was probably about midnight.
	And we were walking back through the hallways that we had come to.
	And there were, in three different locations, a white silk rose.
	The rose was facing us with the stem away.
	It was right in the middle of the floor.
	And this voice was recorded after we came across the first one.
	Roger was putting it back in a vase that was on the mausoleum wall.
	And Barry recorded this saying, Roger won't keep her.
	Roger won't keep her.
	All right, here we go.
	Roger, wound keeper.
	All right, quite clearly, Roger, wound keeper.
	That sounded like a whispered voice, didn't it?
	Yes, and many of them are quite whispery.
	We try to get the loudest ones for the show so that people can hear it plain, but... Any idea why so many, percentage-wise, come out as whispers?
	Yeah, I think it really, and then again, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it does.
	They don't have the physical means to produce these noises, but it goes back to having the amount of energy to propel them basically onto the tape, and whispering would seem like it wouldn't take as much energy as making a very loud voice.
	That may be so.
	All right, on to the next one.
	This next one was sent in to us after the last show, I believe, and I think this was sent in from Kenneth in Ohio.
	Blasphemy, huh?
	Alright, uh, let's see if we can hear that.
	Uh, here we go.
	It says, in fine print, here we go.
	Blasphemy.
	recorder and decided to go to a cemetery that was near his house and he said it
	was very quiet and this one word came on and it says blasphemy.
	Blasphemy huh?
	All right let's see if we can hear that. Here we go it says in fine print here we
	go.
	Yeah, I would say quite clearly that's exactly what it says.
	Blasphemy, so a religious word from the other side, huh?
	religious word from the other side huh? Yes. Now obviously as a result of this
	program as well as the others we have done people are going to go and try this
	themselves.
	A brand new tape, folks, never recorded on, a recorder of some sort, and then an external microphone so you don't pick up the machine noises, you know, the motor running in the tape recorder.
	It'll kind of put a rumble in there.
	But if they get these, you welcome people to send them in to you?
	Oh, yes.
	You know, we would love people, you know, to hear what people have got.
	The only thing is, you know, we weren't there.
	We can't verify that it is an actual ghost voice.
	Because we weren't there, we don't know the situation.
	Sure.
	But if they want to send you one, how do they do it?
	Well, they can just send it directly to the website, or send it to GIS at ghostpix.com.
	And, you know, we normally prefer WAV files, but MP3s work, really any audio format.
	Okay.
	People will ask, and so I will ask, websites cost money to maintain.
	And, of course, your activities and the equipment and the travel that you do, all of that costs money.
	I take it it comes out of your own pockets.
	Exactly.
	Yes.
	Like we said before, we're doing this out of the love of doing it and out of hoping to get more people to try it.
	I mean, obviously, we're not selling anything.
	We don't plug anything other than the website.
	Ultimately we just want more people to go out and do it.
	Another thing is that we keep all of our tapes and I would love someone that has the technology
	to really analyze our voices because I would love to have someone that's in authority.
	In other words, to help prove that it's not one of you.
	Right.
	No, I'm with you there.
	All right, fine.
	Well, that's an open invitation, and I'm sure some will do it.
	This program's on tape, and they can pick it off.
	The last one that we have here, where was this done?
	All right, well, this last one, actually, we had played this on your last show, and we just got so many responses from it.
	Uh, that we decided we'd play it again, just to let people hear it.
	We didn't have the, you know, a computer or anything.
	All right.
	Um, what had happened was we had been called to do a live investigation with the local Fox affiliate here in Utah.
	And we had been called to an old military fort called Fort Douglas.
	And this is kind of interesting because it's a little child's voice and the lights had just been turned on.
	But you hear the little child say, it's dark in here.
	And this was recorded by GIS member Barry.
	I think I remember this.
	Here we go.
	It's dark in here.
	Oh, God.
	It's dark in here.
	It's dark in here.
	That's right.
	Of all the ones that I've heard, this is the one that I don't like the most.
	There's no question about it.
	This is a child's voice.
	And it's clearly saying, it's dark in here.
	Listen.
	It's dark in here.
	It's dark in here.
	All right, you two.
	Let's go to the phones and I want the audience to be able to ask some questions of you, all right?
	Okay.
	All right, here we go.
	Who knows what we're going to get.
	First time caller line, you are on the air with a GIS group.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Yeah, hi, Art.
	Hi, where are you, sir?
	This is Michael in Santa Monica.
	Hi, Michael.
	Yeah, you know, I had a short story to relate to your guest related to their work and a question on personal safety.
	I recently took a trip to England and visited Edinburgh, Scotland and was fortunate to go on a ghost tour with a local witch, a gentleman, and he took us to a place that dates probably back to the 15th century.
	It was a churchyard and he was telling us their estimates were from various events and particularly the plague.
	There were over 250,000 people buried in an area that's probably 50 by 100 yards and the way they achieved that was by laying the bodies out and I guess letting them, you know, deflesh them and then crushing the bones into the soil.
	So we have, you know, an extreme, or they had an extreme amount of souls, you know, potentially there.
	Well, you know, I'm 41 years old and I guess since I've been a child, you know, I've had certain skills empathically to pick up on things.
	But, you know, I tend to keep it at bay.
	At this point in being in that yard, in that church yard, I got some really overwhelming feelings going down.
	I was with about 15 other people and he related a story to us about a poltergeist that exists there and it's supposedly related to a king's advocate and something that went on with the Scottish king and queen or whatever at that time.
	I won't get into that but They seem to think it's related to this individual and his curse and what have you, but some three years ago, a 10-year-old boy was thrown 50 feet in the air by an unseen force against the wall and was nearly killed.
	The Edinburgh City Council, this is documented, locked off that section of that yard and won't
	let people go in there, anyone at all.
	It's got official seal on it.
	Going into such areas as your guests do, did they ever think about powers like that and
	the dangers of those things?
	Or they're suggesting that other people go out and try this.
	Should people consider such things as that?
	Because I know when I was there... Personal safety.
	Personal safety.
	I was getting, you know, empathically, I was, you know, for my spirit guides or whatever, I was getting a huge warning.
	Listen, I'm with you all the way, my friend, but I've been listening to them for some time and have asked the same question, and the answer is, you guys aren't afraid, right?
	Well, you know, I mean, we personally aren't.
	And we've said this before on other, on your show, That this is not for everybody.
	I mean, it's your own judgment on if you think you want to do it, but we're asking the people who do want to do it to go out and try this.
	And, I mean, you could get hurt anywhere.
	Rock climbing, I mean... You could trip over a gravestone.
	Well, yeah, exactly.
	I mean, there's basically anything you do, you have the potential of getting hurt.
	So... I do believe that there are forces out there that many people don't Would not know how to react to, if confronted by them.
	Now, is it possible that if somebody in the audience goes out to try this without the same, in quotes, healthy attitude that you all have, they might get a very different kind of response?
	Yes, they could.
	But I believe that, my own personal belief is that a Actual ghost will not be the kind of entity that would throw a person 10 feet.
	I believe that there are entities out there.
	Well I hate to burst your bubble and I don't want to do that but I have interviewed a number of Ghost investigators, some of the very best, frankly, and some of them have been levitated off the floor.
	Others have had pretty horrific things done to them, and I'm sure in the field you've heard these stories, so it may not have happened to you.
	You know what happens.
	You know, and that really makes me wonder if it was an actual ghost, as in what we deal with, or more along the demon sense, which is something we don't even get into that area.
	I see.
	I mean, they are two completely separate entities.
	We always ask, you know, have you ever performed a seance here, or fooled with the Ouija board?
	In other words, you don't want anything to do with that?
	No.
	That really is a completely... Those are two different things.
	All right.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Barbara McBeth and Brendan Cook.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Hi, Barbara and Brendan.
	Hello.
	This is Karen WMT, 600 Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
	I would just like to say number 14 and number 17 sound distinctly like number 14, my name is Jack O. Really?
	My name is Jack O. Oh, now wait a minute.
	You say number 14?
	Yeah.
	The question mark?
	We weren't sure of what it was.
	My name is Jack.
	All right, everybody, everybody listen.
	It does kind of sound like that.
	Yeah, I can hear that.
	Okay.
	Number 17, she says, I'm a kid again.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	All right. I hear it.
	I'm a kid again.
	I hear that too.
	Yep.
	Oh my.
	Have you ever run any of these backwards?
	Some of them sound backwards.
	Yes, we have.
	And?
	Well, I don't believe any of these, you know, have any of the reverse speech, but we do have some that do.
	All right, young lady.
	Very helpful.
	Thank you.
	I think you're right.
	Take care.
	She's got a very good ear.
	Yes, she does.
	She was dead right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS folks.
	Good morning, Art.
	Hello.
	Yeah, you said earlier you had a question about whether they had a sense of humor?
	That's right.
	I believe they had a recording of a ghost laughing after someone told a joke.
	On a previous program?
	Yes, that was actually the last show we did with you.
	It was kind of a dorky laugh.
	It was.
	Well, one would have to assume there's dorks on the other side as there are here in copious quantities.
	The Vin Gaye and the Chanel No.
	5.
	So, I guess you're right, caller.
	They have a sense of humor.
	Which is kind of an interesting observation about the other side and gives one a little bit of hope.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS folks.
	Hello.
	Oh, no, I didn't push the button.
	Now you're on the air.
	What's for the Rockies?
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	Hey, thanks for taking my call.
	Sure.
	I have a couple of questions directed to both you and your guests.
	All right.
	The first one being is shadow people.
	Yes.
	I've, you know, listened over the months and other people have called in maybe one or two that I remember And they all refer to particular shadow people as wearing a hat.
	Many have, yes.
	Yeah, I think you commented it was, you know, like a fedora.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	20 years ago, I had the same experience.
	You saw one?
	Only once.
	And it appeared to me being Uh, more of a, uh, having a slicker on and a bush hat.
	In the 90s, my mom, who's since passed away, had the same experience.
	I'm just, if your guests and or yourself can comment on a commonality like that, okay?
	All right, we've got to take a break, but we'll do that when we come back.
	We'll cover the subject of shadow people, and I'll ask my guests about that.
	It would go right along with what they're doing, wouldn't it?
	So how do you feel after hearing all of this?
	A little tingle down the spine, possibly?
	Hmm?
	We have plenty of those.
	I'm Art Bell from the high desert in the middle of the night.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Remember, we're only here for a blink of an eye.
	The cosmic blink of an eye.
	Anybody who passes away, you might as well tell them, see you tomorrow.
	Because you will.
	But we're there forever.
	At least many believe that.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	So appropriate, isn't it?
	All right, welcome back.
	My two guests, of course, Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook from the GIS, the Ghost Investigators Society.
	Not everybody in the world has a computer, folks.
	If they want to get a hold of you and they can't email you or get to your website, do you have any sort of address or phone number that you can give people?
	I did up until I We moved recently, and we're going to get that re-established soon.
	We'll post it on the website when we do.
	Very good, because there are people not with us yet in the computer age.
	Yeah.
	All right, let's continue with the audience and see what we get.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with GIS.
	Hello.
	Hello, y'all.
	Hello.
	This is Kenny from Canada.
	My question is, have you ever or ever considered Doing a recording with, uh, a fresh death.
	Someone on a deathbed.
	Oh, yes.
	Uh, you know, we have, and it's, I mean, it's been brought up to us before, but that really runs into the question of the morality thing.
	The ethics.
	Um, you know, and a lot of stuff we do is pretty close to borderline on that, but that's one thing that is just kind of crossing over for us, and it's something I mean, it'd almost be like befriending the person just to do that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Do you understand, caller?
	Excellent, thank you very much.
	That's all I needed to hear.
	Okay, take care.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with GIS.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, people.
	Aloha from Hawaii.
	This is Christopher calling from Honolulu.
	Listening to you on the KHVH.
	KHVH, yes, of course.
	And Art, I just want to say, first of all, I'm glad you're back and I hope your back is good because I've been there.
	I've had those back problems and they're not fun.
	Oh, right.
	Thank you.
	So and now what I'd like to say to Brendan, I seem to recall at one point or another somebody was using a television set to try to communicate with the other side.
	Do you know anything about that and have you ever considered using that?
	Yes, yes.
	There was a guy, actually, there's been a couple of people that do it.
	The one that I'm familiar with, and I can't remember his name, he actually has a website, but the only problem is it's all in French.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, and a lot of this instrumental transcommunication, which kind of falls into the level of EVP, and also the television, as the caller is referring to, A lot of it takes place in Germany and France.
	Well, that's really interesting because Ed Dames had something to say about talking the
	other night.
	Okay, there you go, caller.
	Nothing apparently in this country, but in Europe they're doing a lot.
	Well, the reason I called is I was referring to a book I'd read about some guy here in
	the United States that had, he was, he had the ability to communicate with the other
	side through television.
	People would actually come up and, you know, you could see their images on the screen.
	So I saw pictures that were purported to be ghost people that were, you know, he put it on a place where there's no station, of course, and there's just static.
	And then after a while he summons them and they appear and he actually had pictures of them.
	Oh boy, that really is essentially the same theory, isn't it?
	It surely is.
	Somewhat, yeah.
	Yes, it is.
	I am, I mean, I'm sure there are people in the United States who are doing it, and like I said, the only one that I'm aware of is the man in France, but he also has video and pictures on his website of the static or the snow on the screen, and then faces and images appear on it.
	You wouldn't happen to know offhand how to get to that website, would you?
	Actually, I do have it saved, but I don't off the top of my head remember it.
	All right.
	Why don't you scratch that out for the next program?
	I'd like to see it myself.
	Yes, I'll definitely do that.
	All right.
	Thank you, caller.
	That's a good one.
	Because really, white noise on television is really, in a lot of ways, very similar to the white background tape noise that you would get.
	Somebody sent me an interesting fast blast and wanted to know Why you don't use electronic mini-discs, for example?
	The mini-disc recorder is a wondrous device, like a CD recorder, and it virtually has no detectable white noise in the background.
	Had you considered that?
	One of the people who used to be affiliated with us did get a mini-disc recorder, and as far as I know, he didn't get any results with it.
	I know we've heard of people that have, so...
	Anything that would record, I would think.
	Well, no, there is a difference.
	I think that the minidiscs and CDs are imprinted with a laser, which would be something of a different technology than the magnetic tape heads.
	Well, and you know, on top of that, a lot of people do do this with digital recorders.
	And the problem I've seen with that is they pick up what's called digital static, which is just a loud Okay.
	All right.
	Very good.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with GIS.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Congratulations on 500 again.
	Thank you.
	I actually did take the advice after the last program and went to a cemetery and got pretty hair-raising results, but I was wondering if You'd ever notice any sort of pinging or something during a recording?
	Like what we had noticed during ours was that it would be like the static would start breaking down and then a like a small ping or a like a popping sound or snapping?
	Right.
	Yes.
	Yes, we have actually within the last few months realized that before a lot of EVPs where we'll get a pop or a bang or some kind of weird Yeah, the precursor to The Voice.
	That's interesting.
	But yeah, that was a definite incredible experience for us.
	Well, I have to thank you for making me paranoid, if nothing else.
	I mean, we don't mean to do that.
	No, no, no.
	It was completely our own fault.
	But yeah, we were chased out like four times by... Well, I mean, it is amazing to go out and do this, especially when you realize it doesn't really take that much to do it.
	Caller, what do you mean you were chased out?
	Well, we... Yeah, I was more or less skeptical, and I'd met a friend, and we went to a cemetery that he used to go to.
	In his younger days.
	And... I mean, like, we saw a lot.
	A lot of, like, you know, the little balls floating around.
	And coast lights.
	Right, right.
	And then we started hearing some little screams any time we tried to approach a certain part of the cemetery.
	So we pretty much just left every time.
	But, yeah, we got really good results.
	We had one say, yes, we have visitors.
	Then we got another one that says, I can hear you.
	And then another one, well, and then some of the others we couldn't really make out as easily, but I'll try and send some of those your way.
	If you have the capability to transfer those to Wavehouse, we'd love to hear them.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Well, there you are.
	See, apparently a lot of people are taking your advice and giving it a try themselves, and apparently with an unnerving amount of success.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, I realized that after the last show we had done, where we asked people to do that and see if we could get it played on the show.
	We had an amazing amount of people try it and send us a lot of really good stuff.
	Okay.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yeah, this is Jimmy from Pine Mountain Club in California.
	Yes, sir.
	Hi.
	My question is, do you think these souls or beings, whatever they are, are maybe trapped in that place?
	Or do you think it's an imprint on the time in a different place that you're picking up on?
	Well... Like an impression, maybe?
	First of all, there's And this is something I don't think we've really covered yet, is there is two different kinds of hauntings.
	There's the residual haunting, which is like a playback, which is something that's imprinted in the atmosphere and gets played back like a VCR.
	And then there's an intelligent haunting, which is actually interacting with you.
	You seem to get more of those, and that's what worries me.
	We do, and there's been times where we get voices that just make no sense to what's going on.
	It seems like it almost is just a playback of something that's happened there before.
	Mm-hmm.
	All right.
	Or that it's talking to one of its own.
	Gotcha.
	First on caller line, you're on the air with the GIS group.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Hi.
	I was wondering if anyone else picked up, just before a voice starts and during the voice, There's like a high-pitched or echo-y kind of thing going on, except for I didn't hear it on the growl when I was too busy listening to the growl.
	If anybody had heard that, if they had any idea as to what it was, if there's an echo going on where that entity is, or if it's other entities in the background that you're not picking up as well, or if anybody noticed that?
	There is.
	As Barbara mentioned before, They seem to have a different quality to it.
	When the actual voice speaks, it has a different quality than a human voice.
	Yes, it doesn't sound at all like a human voice.
	Exactly.
	Especially.
	Almost like it's breaking through a barrier.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Especially when, if you hear, you know, like one of you guys talking, and then right after that you hear the voice, and it's completely different.
	Yes, there's a completely different quality to it.
	Caller, I'm curious, when you hear these, how does it make you feel?
	Oh, well, I'm sitting up in a hotel lobby all by myself, running around in the dark.
	So I'm doing a lot of cleaning and trying to keep busy.
	Get a little bit creeped out, you know.
	know but have a tape recorder with you? No. There was something interesting happen last week the
	adding machine was shut off it wasn't supposed to and it just started printing. Oh really? It was
	just in the other room and I came in here and it was spewing out tape full of stuff. Oh my. That gave me the creeps and
	I told it to stop and it did. Oh my. Yeah. A lot of hotels have activity just because of what takes place in the
	hotels.
	Who's there?
	duration of its business. Yeah. All right caller, thank you.
	Thank you. Take care.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Barbara McBeth and Brendan Cook. Good
	morning. Good morning. At the bottom of the hour, I get a gentleman call and he
	was saying he'd like some information if they've ever seen these beings dressed
	in black with these...
	I meant to go back to that.
	What we call shadow people.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	One second.
	A lot of these aren't really shadow type people.
	They either have black cowls on or they have those hats that almost look like miniature Zorro hats.
	But they're not really fuzzy.
	They're pretty distinct.
	I guess they fall into the category.
	Anyway, could they comment on that, please?
	Yes, of course.
	We had two members visually see Uh, it looked like a, they said that it almost looked like Darth Vader type of a shadow.
	Uh, they had walked down the road of a cemetery and they came kind of hustling back to where I had the camera set up on a tripod and they said that it was quite large and it was going diagonal across the cemetery.
	Um, it, it kind of shook them up.
	Yeah, I can imagine.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
	Good morning.
	All right.
	Yes.
	What's going on, man?
	My name's Scott.
	I'm from Houston, Texas.
	Okay, Scott.
	I just want to ask, when y'all play the samples of the ghost, it's weird how it has this microphone feedback.
	Is that from the ghost or whatever?
	The, you know, whatever's on tape?
	I'm not sure what you mean.
	You know how like a lot of a lot of the samples it'll play it'll it'll have like this little feedback but like during the voice or whatever and and it'll like I don't know like a microphone maybe like feedbacking or something it's weird I'm not uh what I'm what I'm trying to get is once I had um I had a video camera and uh and my friends and I about nine years ago we had uh we were messing around with it and uh it ended up That week I had this haunting and all these demonic pig growls came out over the videotape and it went on for like three or four minutes.
	It was really strange.
	Demonic pig?
	The best way I can describe it is for me to be able to do it, which would be kind of like... It was like that.
	It was very strange.
	It sounded like a pig and a dog.
	It was very strange.
	And the thing would talk to me and my mom and do strange things.
	It was very strange.
	All right.
	You two, you know, we've talked about things demonic, and I know you try and stay away from it, but inevitably, I'm sure that you have recorded a few that you probably consider on the demonic side, yes?
	You know, I don't know how we really determine the voice being demonic, but we have recorded some that are extremely menacing or evil.
	There was one that we played on your show twice now, that you little murdering tramp.
	I remember, yes.
	I think he's kind of deranged.
	More mentally ill than demonic.
	I don't think along those lines myself.
	Okay.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
	Good morning.
	Hello?
	Oh.
	Doggone switch.
	West of the Rockies.
	Now you're on the air.
	Hi.
	All right.
	Hi.
	Art?
	Yes.
	This is Derek in Salt Lake City.
	Yes, sir.
	I'm 16 years old, and I've listened to you for four years, so it's kind of an honor to talk to you.
	And glad to have you.
	I have two really quick questions, one for these folks and one for Art.
	OK.
	The first one is, have you guys done any recordings on battlefields from wars, like back East or anything?
	Good question.
	No, we actually haven't.
	There's quite a few groups that do.
	And, you know, obviously a lot of the battlefields are haunted.
	In fact, I would venture to guess all of them are haunted.
	But we haven't, actually.
	All right.
	And Art, I'm also wondering about, you know the sound from Hell Recording?
	Yes.
	You think that's related to this in any way?
	And have you had anyone, like, try and clean it up so you can tell what the people in that recording are saying?
	You know, that is really a good question.
	No, I've not attempted to process it in any way.
	Yeah, well, I have to thank you for scaring me a couple times in the middle of the night when I'm all alone in my room.
	Indeed.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	And let me do this.
	Let me play this for you.
	...was allegedly recorded from the deepest well drilling in Siberia some time ago.
	The scientists, the deepest well ever drilled, and the scientists heard something and lowered microphones into the ground and allegedly this, a very rare recording, is what they came up with.
	Listen carefully.
	Ace of Spades AYE AYE AYE!
	There you are.
	If you two were to record something like that, how would it hit you?
	Well, I, myself, I don't think hell is underground.
	I think that it's a state of mind.
	Since I wasn't there and I don't know what really took place, I can't comment on this.
	Nor might you even want to.
	I understand.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with the GIS group.
	Hello.
	I, um, I was wanting to talk to them.
	I believe, uh, we got some stuff in our house.
	We've been hearing noises and stuff like that.
	You know what?
	I can hear noises on your voice right now.
	I'm serious.
	Oh, it might be this cell phone.
	I don't know.
	It might be.
	They do all kinds of things.
	How long have you lived in this house?
	About, uh, between five and six years.
	And what kind of things happen?
	Well, uh, my wife here's most, uh, wife and actually the kids too.
	But, uh, a couple times they, about between, most of the bad stuff is between like two and four in the morning.
	Like, uh, I had, uh, the 22-year-old stepson.
	He was living with us at the time.
	But, uh, he was on the couch and all of a sudden they just, like, they had to, uh, Kitchen drawers was slammin', the silverware was flyin' and everything else.
	And, uh, the wife, we woke the wife up, and she went in, and he was layin' on the couch.
	Uh, that's where he was sleepin' then, but, he was layin' on the couch with his blanket over his head, and she asked him what was goin' on.
	He said, I don't know, I'm afraid to go in and see what's happenin'.
	And, uh, there was a... One day, I was, this was in broad daylight, I was sittin' on the couch, nobody else was home.
	And I heard a baby crying, and I went outside and looked, and there was nobody around.
	Well, actually, nobody around close to us even had the baby.
	Have you researched this house?
	Yes.
	Have you done some history research?
	Listen, everybody, we're woefully short on time.
	I'm sorry.
	Please contact them by email.
	Listen, you two, we're out of time.
	We're just flat out of time.
	I'm holding the show to a four-hour format while my back heals, and we'll be back to a five-hour format shortly, in case anybody's curious.
	I want to thank you two for being here tonight, and it scared the you-know-what out of me, as usual.
	Thank you, Art.
	We will do it again.
	It was a pleasure.
	Notify me, y'all, when you've got another collection of voices from the other side, alright?
	We'll definitely do that.
	Night, all.
	Good night.
	Alright.
	That's it for now.
	As I mentioned to you, a problematic my presence for tonight.
	I'm going to the dentist this morning for a terrible procedure that you don't even want to know about.
	In the meantime, have a good night.
	I'm Art Bell from the high desert.

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