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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell somewhere in time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest.
		You do good evening, good morning, whatever the case may be, wherever you are.
		Guess afternoon on Guam to the west, eastward then, the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and definitely worldwide.
		On the internet, this is Coast AM, and I'm our belt Friday night, Saturday morning.
		Good morning, everybody.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great here.
		Listen, somebody named Deke Richards in the state of Maine sent me an incredible story.
		And he gave me permission to read it, but I'd rather not.
unidentified		So let's leave it at this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Deke, you contacted me earlier today with this.
		I would rather have you tell the story, Deke.
		It means more.
		So if you want to do that by telephone, then you need to contact me the same way you did earlier today in the next hour or so, and I will get you on the air.
		Sounds pretty secret, huh?
unidentified		Anyway, we'll see if he does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you remember the Washington Times story that we've been agog about over the last few days?
		This is one in which Dick Cheney was asked a question on the Diane Rem show.
		Well, guess what?
		I've got the man who asked the question on the show.
		And while the Washington Times got the important part right, they didn't get it quite right.
		And there's more to the story.
		And I've got the fellow who had Dick Cheney on the phone and actually asked the question.
		so i think uh...
		in a moment will bring him on and then let him tell you first hand what happened Get a new view of the world with Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		When do you see this entire picture unfolding?
		It's unfolding right in front of us.
		The corporate truck runs our government.
		And most importantly, they keep us on the two-party system.
		As long as they can convince the American people that your choice is between evildoers, the Democrats or evildoers, the Republicans, they have absolute control of you.
		The biggest threat would be a genuine third party.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hello there and good morning in Canada.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
		I didn't ask, so I'll ask now.
		Do you mind if people know your name?
unidentified		No problem.
unidentified		No problem?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what's your name?
unidentified		Grant Cameron.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Grant Cameron.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you sent me some email, didn't you, Grant?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Saying that you actually were the caller who called Dick Cheney.
		And I'm not familiar with the Diane Rem show.
		And you said it was, what, NPR or something?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And it's a show out of Washington, and she has quite a few of the Washington insiders on her show from time to time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here's the part I don't get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you in Canada?
unidentified		Winnipeg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Winnipeg.
unidentified		Just north of North Dakota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so then the signal you get with NPR must come from North Dakota or something?
unidentified		No, I pick it up on the Internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the Internet?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		She has hers, like yours says, she has archived all her shows, and so you can basically follow from there, see what guests are coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and she had Dick Cheney on.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here you are in Canada, and you start, I guess, dialing, wanting to ask a question, and somehow you got through.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		First caller's through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were the first caller through.
		It's like winning the lottery.
		And so obviously the Vice President is not going to really be ready for what you're about to ask.
		Did they screen your call?
unidentified		They did, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you tell them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly, you couldn't have told them you were going to ask about UFOs.
unidentified		You did?
		Yeah.
		Well, she's had a few.
		She had Anthony Lake, who was the National Security Advisor for President Clinton on there.
		He faced a UFO question.
		She's had Carter on a couple times.
		I actually was on with Carter one time, but didn't get to ask the question.
		The show ended.
		He's faced a UFO question on that show.
		So it's not that unusual that they would, they screened it.
		She just said she wanted it short and sweet because he was only taking, I think he took about five questions.
		That was it.
		He was only on for about three quarters of an hour.
		And part of it was the interview.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What an incredible opportunity.
unidentified		And I think it's basically, as far as I know, I've done a lot of study on the presidents and vice presidents.
		I think it's the only third time that somebody inside the White House, a vice president or a president, has actually been faced with the UFO question.
		A lot of them have before.
		Carter was faced with the question before he was president, and after the presidency, Ford faced it after the presidency.
		But as for inside the White House, Truman faced it right at the Roswald case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're quite a historian on this issue, I can see.
unidentified		Right, I'm fairly interested in the, you know, instead of going to people in the Air Force or something, to me it made sense to somebody go after the chief executive officer or the whole thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, go right to the top, always.
		Sure.
		Why not?
		But a Canadian, a Canadian, it's you weren't just trying to embarrass our vice president.
		No, no, no.
		I mean, out of Canadian nationalistic fervor.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you called and you got through and you got the Vice President of the United States and you asked him what?
unidentified		Well, for the record, I'll give you the actual question that I asked him.
		I said, since the statement made by George Bush last July, there's a vicious rumor circulating in the UFO community that you've been read into the UFO program.
		So my question to you is this.
		In any of your government jobs, have you ever been briefed on the subject of UFOs?
		And if you have, when was it and what were you told?
		And the Vice President said, he answered, well, if I had been briefed on it, I'm sure it was probably classified and I couldn't talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is, in fact, essentially what the Washington Times said, pretty much.
		Right down the same alley, but there's more, isn't there?
		Yeah.
		The rest of the stories, Paul would say.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		I was cut off as soon as the question, I guess they didn't want second to secondary questions, so I was cut off.
		I actually didn't hear the answer.
		No, they don't want anybody yelling, a follow-up, Mr. Vice President?
		So Diana Rem asked him as soon as he answered that, she said, is there investigation going on within this administration, Mr. Vice President, as to UFOs?
		And what Cheney answered to that was, I have not come across the subject since I've been back in government.
		Oh, since like January the 20th.
		And then he added, I've been in a lot of meetings, but I don't recall one on UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't recall one.
		That's Americanese, political Americanese for I don't remember, which is what you're told to say, you know, in some situation you might be in where you would incriminate yourself horribly.
		Oh, I don't remember.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't recall.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't recall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		But it really wasn't true because he said, I haven't come across the subject since I've been back in government.
		And the original question that I asked him was the statement made by George Bush, which referred to an incident last July with Charles Huffer, who had come across Bush and Cheney together at a campaign stop in Arkansas.
		And he questioned Bush, and Bush made this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but he was technically right, because he said in government, right?
unidentified		Well, since he came back, but what he's saying is he hasn't come across the UFO subject.
		But based on this last July incident, a congressional letter of inquiry related to the July incident was sent to him.
		So he has seen the subject since he came back to government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, well, how about that?
unidentified		And it wasn't initiated by me.
		I didn't even know that this had occurred until after I asked my question.
		But I was informed by Charles Huffer that Aza Hushington, his congressman, had forwarded a letter as of March 19th to the Vice President.
		And he informed him, please know that I will follow up and make sure that the Vice President has indeed seen the letter and plans to respond.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, from your point of view, then, the Vice President of the United States shaped the truth.
unidentified		Yeah, on the second part, on the part about whether he was aware of the UFO thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or once again, it could have been faulty recollection.
unidentified		The first part, I think, he actually told the truth on this part about it being classified, which is the first time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I agree with you completely.
		I agree with you completely.
		I mean, it is an astounding, astounding response.
unidentified		Because I don't think he, for one second, thought there was a UFO question coming.
		In fact, when he was on, it was the day when they released the people out of China.
		And that's, I think, why he was on the show was to sort of promote this whole incident that was occurring later on in the day.
		And none of the questions applied to that.
		My question was a UFO question up front, and all the rest dealt with his oil income and his Middle East connections.
		So he basically didn't take any questions on China at all on anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would think, though, with the past record of Diane Rem's show, questions like these to officials, somebody would have briefed Mr. Cheney ahead of time saying, if you're going on the REM's show, you're going to get a UFO question, or you may well get a UFO question.
unidentified		Yeah, that's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd think so.
unidentified		Yeah, although, you know, if only three times somebody inside the White House, then he was actually in the White House when he answered the question.
		So it's a long shot.
		I mean, Carter was asked, I think, five years ago a UFO question, and Lake was maybe two, three years ago that this occurred.
		So it wasn't, I'm pretty sure he wasn't prepared for it.
		And he didn't sound too happy if you hear the tape.
		He wasn't too happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, I would love to hear the tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess since you were on, you were taping yourself, I'll bet, huh?
unidentified		No, I was cut off.
		I didn't hear the answer.
		I had no idea until it came onto the archive the next day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, then you have it from some other way.
unidentified		Well, that's not the archive because I heard it the next day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying is that's too bad because now we would need Diane Rems' permission to play it.
		In other words, that's her copyrighted material.
		Yeah.
		Well, anyway, listen, thank you so very much for coming up here and explaining this to us.
		You as a dispassionate Canadian, a very calm Canadian, all Canadians are calm, it seems like, you take this to mean, I mean his answer, you take this to mean, don't you, that there is indeed a classified program on UFOs in the U.S. and that he has indeed been briefed and couldn't talk about it because it's classified, right?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We all take the same way, too.
		I sure do appreciate your coming on the line.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay, thanks for your meeting time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I Thought you might want to hear that.
unidentified		Pretty good call, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good going.
		All right, well, tonight, what are we going to do?
		We're going to do a lot of things.
unidentified		I guess it's going to be hope-free.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know.
		We'll just see.
		Oh, I do know one thing we're going to do.
		Next hour.
unidentified		In fact, call your friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call anybody you know and love and care about.
		And if you're listening to the radio, then absolutely just don't go away because it was two years ago.
		I did a show with Dr. Tricia McGill and Dr. Jeff Long.
		Actually, it was February 4th of 99.
		So on this show, we had a young lady that they brought forth whose name was Sarah.
		Is Sarah.
		She's still with us.
		And she proceeded to tell the single most incredible, dramatic, involved, frightening, hopeful story of near-death that you've ever heard in your whole life.
		I mean, this is an incredible story.
		Sarah was on her way back from church volunteer work.
		I mean, we're talking quite a nice young lady on her way back from volunteer work at the church, and she was hit by a vehicle and thrown, God knows, I forget how many feet, and died.
		She died, or I should say she had an NDE.
		Maybe when you die, you never come back, but boy, oh boy, what you will hear in this account, if you just stick with it, every word of the way is the strongest, most incredible account of near-death that I've ever heard told anywhere, anytime, period.
		So I think I'm going to replay that in the next hour.
		A very bright flash in the sky captivated scores of people all across Western Australia last night, as the program went on, I guess, who witnessed what may have been dust shed by a comet thousands of years ago.
		Perth Observatory astronomer Jamie Biggs said the event was seen as far north as Dangerang, I think it is.
		I slaughtered that, I'm sure, 170 kilometers north of Perth and as far south as Albany, 410 kilometers south of Perth.
		So from 170 north to 410 kilometers south, something really streaked across the sky.
		Now, of course, how did they know it was dust from a comet?
		How could they possibly know it was dust from a comet?
		Sounds good, right?
		Like a meteor.
		But I mean, did they collect any?
		I always question these things.
		A three-year-old Rohnert Park girl died after being infected with a rare organism that destroyed her brain as she lay in a coma for two days.
		This is from the San Francisco Chronicle.
		Just how Aletha Lee Willis contacted or contracted the amoeba alimuthia, which is so unusual, scientists discovered it only 11 years ago, remains a total mystery.
		It's like science fiction, said the girl's grandmother, 44-year-old Teresa Powers.
		I've never seen anything like this in my life.
		Well, it's not science fiction to the experts, however.
		They say the disease caused by the amoeba quickly ravages the brain and is invariably fatal.
		In fact, Aletha died April 11th, a little more than three weeks after she came down with flu-like symptoms.
		Her death left her family struggling to comprehend why something so bizarre would strike their little girl.
		How did she get it?
		How can something that's supposed to be so rare, so rare, just rear its head up, asked the grandfather.
		How rare is it since it has come out of the darkness and taken her life?
		Scientists know very little about this organism, whatever it is.
		They don't know where it's found, how many may be out there, or they don't know how it enters the body.
		It's so rare, there have been no financial incentives to investigate it, according to Professor Tulane.
		Weiser said experts believe the organism thrives in water and infiltrates the body through the eyes or through wounds.
		It's just absolutely astounding.
		It just goes and destroys your brain.
		And this poor little girl died, and they don't have even a clue, even a clue what killed her or how it got in her.
		Well, I guess they do know, of course, why she died, but my God.
		Aletha was a bright, gap-toothed little girl with a radiant smile, her grandparents said.
		She adored her cat.
		Nice little girl, in other words.
		She liked to put olives on her fingers and show them to everyone.
		Fell ill March 20th.
		Two days later, doctors at Roenert Park Medical Center diagnosed her condition as a flu, recommending giving her Tylenol and sending her home.
		Aspirin, go home, right?
		By March 24th, her fever soared to 103 degrees.
		She was unable to eat.
		Her grandparents, who are legal guardians, raced her to Santa Rosa Memorial Hospital.
		Doctors kept her there overnight for observation.
		Her condition took an alarming turn for the worse next day as grandfather held her while physicians prepared tests.
		She had a seizure right in my arms, the granddad said.
		They ordered an MRI and spinal tap right away, a little improvement on the 26th.
		Then they thought she might have meningitis, but back come the seizures.
		So her condition grew steadily worse as she lay in isolation in intensive care at children's.
		When we came in, according to Dr. Michael Schauberg, she was critical.
		Anyway, of course she didn't make it bottom line.
		And it's just some horrible new little thing that we're hearing about.
		Rare, they say.
	Very rare.
	But they would say that at the beginning.
	That destroyed this little girl's brain.
	So it is interesting, is it not, that we live in such a sort of a new time for diseases.
	I mean, look at all this emerging stuff.
	Mad cow disease that could eventually, I guess if it went crazy, make it so none of us could eat beef anymore.
	If it were to go worldwide, that certainly would be the effect, right?
	Oof and mouth, thousands, maybe a million animals being killed.
	All kinds of new diseases and problems for humanity.
	Anyway, we'll go to open lines here shortly.
	We may even do a little truth or trash during the night.
	Hey, the Russians say they're going to go to Mars by the year 2020.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More somewhere in time coming up.
		She lets me come every time and make up mine.
		She's no one's love to play with me.
		She'll be so inviting.
		I want her all for myself.
		Oh, temptation eyes.
		Looking through my mind, my mind.
		Oh, temptation eyes.
		You gotta love me.
		You gotta love me tonight.
		Love me, baby, yeah.
		Love me, baby, yeah.
		Love me, baby.
		Love me, baby.
		You're with me.
		Cause you gave me the love.
		Love that I never had.
		Yes, you gave me the love.
		Love that I never had.
		You and I don't pretend we make love.
		I can't feel anymore that I'm singing.
		Yeah.
		I'm in you.
		You're with me.
		You're with me.
		I'm in you.
		You're with me.
		You're with me.
		I'm in you.
		You're with me.
		I'm in you.
		You're with me.
		I'm in you.
		You're with me.
		Cause you gave me the love.
		Love that I never had.
		You gave me the love.
		Love that I never had.
		You gave me the love.
		Love that I never had.
		You gave me the love.
		Love that I never had.
		You gave me the love.
		Love that I never had.
		You are listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, all, most of you.
		I should stop saying that evening for some and early evening at that for others and afternoon for a few.
		So, I don't know.
		We cover a lot of territory.
		Good day.
		Maybe I should say good day.
		Good day, like the Australians.
		Russia says it's going to go to Mars.
		Russia has overcome all major obstacles, to manned interplanetary flight, and should be ready to send humans to Mars in the second decade of this century, according to the head of a once-secret space science institute.
		This is in the London Times, by the way.
		Just so you know.
		15 years of trial and error aboard the Mir space station have given Russia unmatched experience in choosing training, feeding, supporting crews of space flights lasting a year or more, according to Anatoly Grigerov.
		It also has yielded vital information on keeping crew members sane 280 million miles away.
		Even American experts believe that the Russians have a lead in dealing with extended periods of weightlessness and the psychological problems of orbiting rather than flying away from Earth.
		Our engineers believe we can do this by 2020.
		And from a medical point of view, there are no big hurdles left to hinder such a mission.
		Isn't this amazing?
		The professor said that he space science world earlier this month with a prediction that Russia would dispatch a crew to Mars as early as 2016.
		The forecast raised eyebrows not only because Mir and with it the core of Moscow's manned space exploration program had plunged into the South Pacific a few days earlier, but also because with a projected GDP for 2001 of $331 billion, that's gross domestic product, right?
		That's $54 billion less than the Netherlands.
		Russia is ill-equipped to finance an expedition that NASA estimates could cost $400 billion.
		$400 billion.
		And in a whole year, Russia only has $331 billion domestic product.
		So how could they possibly do it?
		And yet they're saying that they're going to do it, that he can do it.
		That Russia can do it and apparently wants to do it, and they're talking about Mir 2 as well.
		Isn't this a mystery?
		Mir 2?
		Remember we caught that that night?
		Remember that?
		When I caught what the cosmonaut said?
		Mir 2?
		And I said, What?
		Well, sure enough, Mir 2 they're talking about.
		And they're talking about, I guess, maybe they'd have to have Mir 2 if they were going to Mars.
		So maybe they're really serious about going to Mars.
		I hope we consider it a race and get off our bus.
unidentified		I hope we consider it a race and get off our bus.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen.
		Don't miss it.
		Don't miss it.
		If there's any way you can catch it by computer after it's run live as it runs tomorrow night, we're doing the first ever radio program done by myself, anyway, with the late Father Malachi Martin on the subject of exorcism.
		I'm booking a show later in, well, actually, I think in May.
		no yes in may on exorcism was somebody else however But I think you'll find that tomorrow night's show will probably kind of scare you to death.
		Father Malachi Martin was the exorcist.
		And a remarkable man.
		I think most of you know about him.
		Those that don't are going to have an opportunity to find out tomorrow night.
		Saturday night, Sunday morning.
		The original, the first Father Malachi Martin program that we did on exorcisms.
		You don't want to miss it, believe me.
		Wild Guard Line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, Father Malachi Martin, actually, if anyone out there is truly listening to your show, and this is one show that you don't want to miss, because that man really, he gave me hope that the fact that maybe that truly religion does not have a truly closed eye to what's going on in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's nobody to replace him.
unidentified		There truly isn't, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		There's no one to replace him.
		That's all I would say.
unidentified		One quick question.
		Let me take you back a little bit.
		Remember in 1989, if you recall, there was a CNN crew, a news crew that had gotten caught by a tornado.
		It was a very famous footage of them getting trapped underneath the bridge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And remember that there's always been a little quote of mine that I've always loved is they've always called a tornado the finger of God.
		And it was one of those days, sir, it was like 1989.
		It was right before the Berlin Wall coming down.
		And the crux of my conversation here tonight, sir, is it's amazing how certain things can be a trigger effect.
		In fact, I can remember listening to your show in Alaska in 1995, listening to you talk about the quickening and how things truly have come to fruition as far as what you've talked about.
		But my point of this call is since then, 1989, and it's ironic, parts of your radio show have inspired me to do this too, is I've been capturing different live broadcasts, different snippets of videos since then.
		And it's amazing, sir, as we've talked about this before.
		We're such a society of where we get so much news so fast, and it seems like as we take each story, we tend to take it, accept it, and then move on.
		And it seems like each day we seem to replace the last day's horror, and we don't seem to really stand and stop and really ponder what's going on.
		And it's really until you start putting all these pieces of the puzzle together and you start seeing a consistent timeline that you truly see that what has happened in our past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody suggested that we do an entire show, and I put it aside and held it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do an entire show just on, hey, what the hell's going on?
unidentified		Oh, truly, sir.
		I mean, every day, if you put the pieces of the puzzle together, in fact, if you go back, even right now we're going to the Bush part two, even if you go back to late 1980s and early 1990s, what happened then has set the course for what's happening now.
		And it's amazing how we tend to always live in the moment for today and just maybe possibly a little bit in the future.
		But if we don't stop and reflect on our past, we truly don't learn anything and we can't be right for our present or even our future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Agreed.
unidentified		And I do appreciate it, sir.
unidentified		And I just wanted my main point of the call was we all need to stop and put the pieces together, sir, because otherwise we won't get the clarity we all need in this world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you just get out of the military?
unidentified		No, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you say, sir, so much?
		I did that after I got out of the Air Force for a long time.
		I couldn't stop myself.
		I finally stopped myself.
unidentified		It's funny you say that because I've done quite a few talk shows, and it's interesting the reaction I get.
		Some people don't like it because it makes them feel old.
		Some people like it because they like the fact that it shows respect, but it's what my parents taught me, in fact, and it's just something I've always been instilled with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good for your parents.
		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		That was very nice.
		Thank you.
		Not too many people do that anymore.
		Do they?
		When you first come out of the military service, you're saying that a whole lot to everybody.
		And it takes you quite a while to realize that you're out and that life has changed.
		And believe me, life in the military and life out of the military are entirely different things.
		It's like, boom, your life got utterly 180 degrees turned around.
		It's really that different.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello, Art.
		How you doing?
		Kathy from Woodbridge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kathy from Woodbridge.
unidentified		You know, it's funny.
		Today I talked to one of my, another talk show hosts that I call often, and he said to me, first thing he says to me is, oh, you must be very happy now at nighttime.
		Now, think about how that sounded.
		To all the viewers who are listening.
		What did he mean?
		Now, I knew he meant that Art Bell was on.
		He knew that I knew that, but not many other people know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not if you take the entire tri-state area's population now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was on WABC, of course.
unidentified		I thought I would let you know that.
		Now, I usually, I don't know why I find myself telling you about movies the last two times I've called, but there's a movie out.
		It wasn't the greatest movie in the world, but it was interesting.
		It was Space Cowboys with Clint Eastwood.
		You probably didn't rent it yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just saw it on the pay-per-view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't actually see it, but I mean, it's available, so I can see it.
unidentified		Well, you know what the interesting thing about that video was to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		How many times have you sat there and said, I know we have nukes in space?
unidentified		I know we've had them there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is that what it's about?
unidentified		It's a satellite.
		Think about that satellite that they were trying to give aid to.
		And it was Russian.
		Look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look.
		What do you think about nukes in space?
		Let's talk about that for a second.
		We know we've got nuclear weapons, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we know that if we have them in space, then we would have an advantage.
		We would have no launch, no boost phase, no anything.
		We would simply, boom, on your head, there's a nuke, right?
		It would just happen.
		There'd be no defense, no even dreams of SDI or anything else.
		So now you know there's a treaty, right?
		But you've got to ask yourself, do you think they're observing that treaty?
		And then after you ask yourself that, ask yourself then, do you really think we're observing that treaty?
unidentified		No, of course not.
		I just worry if those things get off course by a meteor or something else or something goes wrong and they happen to come our way when we don't want them to.
		Whether they be ours, or would be friendly fire folks, okay, or whether they be theirs.
		That's what I think about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Kathy, there's a sequence of things that would have to be entered, I think, before anything could happen.
		So, you know, otherwise a nuke is just a nuke.
		It's not good to have in space.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm not too concerned about an accident, but I'm with you.
		I mean, they're up there.
		You know damn well they're up there.
unidentified		Art, before I let you go, Drudge said last week, it didn't make much sense to the regular news, but you must have heard it.
		Is there really a Pope watch?
		Are they really watching that, you know, any day now?
		Because that's the way Drudge let it on.
		It's CBS News was going to be watching, going to be setting cameras up there and waiting for those three puffs of smoke.
		And until I hear it from you, I'm not going to believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call.
		Take care, Kathy.
		The last few times that I've seen the Pope, and I'm sure it's true of many of you as well, he certainly looks as though he's at the end.
		That he has hung on this long is absolutely astounding, I think.
		You know, a testament, really a testament to the will of an incredible man to hang on and do as he has done, continue to perform.
		Absolutely unbelievable.
		And so if there is such a watch, I wouldn't be surprised.
		A little morbid, I'd say.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, Art.
unidentified		Max from Spokane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, Max?
unidentified		Pretty good.
		I was wondering if I could get your comment on three quick subjects that all tie in.
		It's Russia going to Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it's the one rich man that's paying $20 million to go up to the space station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, let's tackle them one at a time.
unidentified		Well, I want to tie them all in because just real quick, the trip to Mars from Russia, and I think that the Chinese are also planning on going to Mars.
unidentified		There's the rich guy going to the space station and that video of that new Russian jet on your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was just wondering, how come all these communist countries are kind of looking good?
		I mean, where's America now?
		I mean, shouldn't we have plans to be?
		You know, where's our new jets and our plans to go to Mars?
		I mean, they're kind of looking good.
		America's not looking to be good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That isn't exactly what I was saying after I read that story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you know, maybe they're blowing a bunch of Russian gas.
unidentified		Oh, just propaganda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But on the other hand, maybe not.
		Now, I can't conceive of how they financially would accomplish this.
		That's the only thing that makes you think gas.
		They just don't have the money.
unidentified		Well, what about China now?
unidentified		Aren't they going there too or planning on going there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the Russians in concert with the Chinese.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's all a big mystery.
		But it's a good, I love mysteries, and this is a beauty.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		That jet, though, on your webpage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the SU-37.
unidentified		I would love to ride in that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not me.
		Not on my best day.
		No way.
		I don't know if you've seen that video, but nobody would ever have imagined that a jet could do such things.
		Now, listen to me.
		A very serious thing is coming up here in about eight minutes, actually after the news at the top of the hour.
		A really serious thing.
		If ever I wanted you to just stop what you were doing and devote the appropriate amount of time to listen to what's coming up, it's tonight.
		Sarah's MDE is unlike anything you've ever heard in your life.
		I sat here at first thinking, ah, just a story.
		And I've heard many stories over the years, as you know, on this program.
		And I think, yeah, just a story.
		But as it unwound, and as you learned about this young lady, and as you heard the detail she provided, which was astounding, of what happened to her, your mouth, your jaw will fall open.
		So all I can say is call up your friends.
		Tell them, tune in the Art Bell Show in this coming hour.
		It's an amazing thing you're going to hear.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, extinguish your whatever it is.
unidentified		I just did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thanks.
unidentified		This is Kevin, and I'm calling from the little town of Mayfield in the state of New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Welcome.
unidentified		The man that called you from Canada with the UFO questions?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He was also, and probably still is, involved in UFO research and was one of the publishers of a monogram on MJ-12 and government Involvement with UFOs, and this dates back from I wouldn't be surprised at any of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at any of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He sounded like an aficionado, no question about it.
unidentified		Yeah, he was one of the guys that got in contact with a professor from then Penn State University who knew people that were involved with crash recovery UFO research.
		And they called him and wrote to him and got some very enigmatic conversations.
		Obviously, the guy did not want to speak about it.
		But the whole episode was extremely interesting, and I think that that is still available through MUFAN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's an interesting guy.
		I've got his phone number.
		I thought the exchange with our vice president was astounding and revealing, really revealing for anybody listening.
		And what more can I say?
		Maybe I ought to get hold of him, find out what more he's got.
unidentified		You might find more interesting stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I might.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's called fishing, and I fish.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you very much, and take care.
		Sarah's NDE, it's one of those moments in radio history in years.
		I don't know, maybe it won't affect you the same way that it did me.
		But I think it will.
		I really think it will.
		It was astounding.
		So get hold of your friends.
		Tell them that's coming up.
		West of the Rockies, you're on here.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, all right.
		This is Jemini from Oakland, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jemini.
unidentified		Hi.
		One quick question, then I wanted to relate something.
		The Father Malachi thing in California, will it be start at 10 o'clock?
		Our time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The program will begin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I mean, on the computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Because I know Dreamland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would think it would start on the computer when it starts on 10 o'clock.
unidentified		Yeah, because Dreamland switched from Sunday to Saturday, so I was coming to the corner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, thank you for saying that.
		That's right.
		Beginning this week, Dreamland moves from Sunday to Saturday.
unidentified		So anyway, remember those two ladies from Florida that you had on that do the psychic clearings?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		They're fantastic.
unidentified		Anyway, I called them up because I've been kind of bogged down, and I've been kind of feeling some things for years that I didn't want to mention to people because it seemed kind of weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bogged down or energy-wise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, as in succubus or incubus?
unidentified		No, no, no, as in just feeling oppressed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all you need is vitamins for that.
unidentified		No, no, no.
		So anyway, I don't know.
		Anyway, I called them and I arranged for a personal clearing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And, you know, they call you afterwards and everything.
		And they said, and I didn't tell them a thing about myself.
		And they called me.
		They said, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time callers, area code 775-727-1222.
		Wait a minute.
		I'm going to have to edit that out.
		I realize in the heat of the moment, the words slipped out.
		It's what all pilots say before they hit the ground.
		Now everybody knows.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, they cleared you of something or another.
unidentified		They said that there were six ETs in my house, that I had implants in my head and my abdomen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
unidentified		That I had interdimensionals that were putting blocks between me and my higher self and between my higher self and God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good Lord.
unidentified		And that, you know, I was just filled with gunk, and they said, my God, how are you alive?
unidentified		But we got rid of them, and I'm going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're now claiming you're cleared, right?
unidentified		They're claiming I'm cleared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you feel cleared?
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel cleared?
unidentified		Well, I do remember that I've been abducted since childhood, and I didn't tell them that.
unidentified		And they said, do you know you've been abducted since childhood?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I repeat, do you feel cleared?
unidentified		The jury's still out on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, when the jury comes in, you call us and let us know, please.
		Call your friends.
		Sarah is next.
unidentified		You are listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		tonight featuring coast to coast a.m.
		from april 20th 2001 Some people wanna fill the world with until they love songs.
		And what's wrong with that?
		I'd like to know.
		Cause here I go I I don't want your lonely mansion with a tear in every room.
		All I want's the love you promised bid me for hell of you.
		But you think I should be happy with your money and your name?
		And hide myself in sorrow while you play your cheating game?
		Silver threads and golden needles cannot mend this heart of mine.
		And I dare not drown my sorrow in the warm water while.
		But you think I should be happy with your money and your name?
		And hide myself in sorrow while you play your cheating game?
		Silver threads and golden needles cannot mend this heart of mine.
		And I dare not drown my sorrow in the warm water while you play your cheating game.
		And I dare not drown my sorrow in the warm water while you play your cheating game.
		Silver threads and golden needles cannot mend this heart of mine.
		And I dare not drown my sorrow in the warm water while you play your cheating game.
		Premier Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, most of you.
		I'm Art Bell, and This is Coast to Coast AM.
		And, you know, every few years in broadcasting, something so profound comes along and it just catches you by surprise, and so you don't get a chance to promote it.
		Something like that happened to me.
		Tonight, I've got a chance to promote it.
		We're going to do it.
		Sarah's MDE.
unidentified		Sarah's MDE.
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		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell Not all that frequently will I ask you to just please sit back, relax, and listen to every single word you're about to hear.
		A lot of people might have walked away from the radio or thought, oh, it's just another story, and it frankly began that way.
		But it is the most remarkable near-death experience I've ever heard in my whole life.
		And it will affect you profoundly, I think, if you listen to the whole thing.
		Really just put down whatever you're doing and listen to it.
		It occurred on February 4th, 1999, when I was doing a show with Dr. Tricia McGill and Dr. Jeff Long.
		And since it was mentioned last night, I went, all right, let's see if we can find it and get it on the air.
		And that's exactly what we're doing right now.
		So if you have a friend, it's probably almost too late to call them, though I guess you could.
		You really ought to hear this.
		Everybody, I think everybody ought to hear this.
		So if you're ready up to the network, roll it.
		Back now to my guests, Dr. Jeff Long and Tricia McGill.
		Hi, you two.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's do it.
		Here comes from, I think, Las Vegas somebody named Sarah.
		Sarah?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sarah, stay good and close to the phone for us and project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you would, just tell us what happened to you, Sarah.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, my near-death experience happened in 1989.
		I was bicycling home from a volunteer position, and I got hit by a pickup truck from behind, traveling at about 50 miles an hour.
		Truck slammed into me, and I was catapulted 60 feet forward.
		My lungs collapsed.
		Most of my internal organs ruptured.
		I broke my pelvis.
		I was pretty much roadkill at that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Roadkill.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Fortunately, there was a police officer nearby who radioed an ambulance, and I was taken to a hospital rather quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you off on the side of the road or going to the bank?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No, I was in the bike lane, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the bike lane?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the woman was racing for a light, and she didn't see me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you got thrown 60 feet with just about everything internally ruptured.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they 911, ambulance comes.
unidentified		Right.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Of course, I don't have any memory of any of that, though.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		That information was all told to me afterwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were out cold.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And I was having my NDE at that point, as far as I can tell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Is there any here?
		Okay.
		i'd like to understand from that moment that you got hit obviously you were not No, none at all.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I've never even seen the face of the woman that hit me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So bang.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's it.
		All right.
		So what is your first recollection, your first recollection?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		The first thing that I remember was being in a very complete, utterly black place.
		I didn't have any sense of up or down or direction or perspective.
		It was just as black as you can imagine.
		And in this place, I had an awareness that I still had a body.
		But other than that, I had no idea where I was or what was happening next at all.
		You know, I was just kind of stunned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there any sense of the real world?
		The Sarah was.
		No, you didn't.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No, it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't rise up and see your body and all that stuff.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No, it was as if I was in a black box, except there were no walls.
		I couldn't see anything anywhere.
		There was nothing but black.
		And it was very black, too.
		You know, they just tried to help me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you still had a sense that your body was there?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		That I still had a body, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the first thing I would do if I had that kind of consciousness was I guess I would, even in the black, to retain my sanity, I would try and touch myself and feel my hands and my arms and my body to see if I really was physical.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't remember doing anything like that.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		All I remember is that I had an awareness of kind of arms and legs, you know, that idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So I was there for an unknown length of time where nothing happened.
		I was just in this black place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you have emotions?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you terrified?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I was stunned more than anything else.
		It was just kind of a neutral feeling more than anything else.
		But it quickly changed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A neutral feeling?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Kind of, okay, where am I and why am I here?
		And why is it that there's nothing here but me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No sense of anything else, any other presence, beings, or.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Nothing at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Just dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you say that changed.
unidentified		Yes.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		At one point, off in what seemed to be the distance, Because it was farther away from me, I started hearing a hum.
		And then I saw a little pinprick of light.
		And the sound began to get louder, and it got closer to me.
		And as the whatever it was drew closer, I noticed that it was a creature and that the creature was surrounded by flames in all the various colors of flames, reds and yellows.
		And it was, I don't know, big.
		It seemed like it was eight feet tall to me, and it was huge.
		And it had huge teeth and huge eyes, and there was a humming all around it, and it was making, you know, it was growling and gnashing its teeth, and it was drooling.
		And from what I remember, the body of the creature itself was black.
		And it just was coming toward me at an incredible rate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you discerned this black against the white, because you had been in total blackness, right?
unidentified		Right.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, against the flames, it was completely and covered with flames.
		Flames were shooting out of it.
		It had like a huge, not like a halo, but more like it was surrounded by flames that shot out from its body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old were you when this occurred?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		27.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so here comes a creature that looks what, like a dragon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way to describe?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		The closest thing that I could say is that it looks, yeah, it looked a demon, really more than a dragon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A demon?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		A demon.
		It was very demonic, yeah.
		It had a huge gnashing teeth, and it had long, scaly hands, and it was, you know, it was stomping up and down and huge eyes.
		I guess it was draconic in aspect, but not like you would think of a dragon.
		It didn't have wings or anything like that, although it did have flames.
		But the flames weren't coming out of its nose or anything like that.
		It was just surrounding it.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so how intellectually awake were you?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I was terrified at that point.
		I don't know.
		There's no other way to describe it.
		I was awed and terrified at whatever this was that was coming at me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you had enough sense about you to be to have the hell scared out of you.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was utterly, yeah, I was frozen in fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this sounds like something out of the movie Alien, you know, that horrid little creature.
unidentified		Yeah, the little creature, actually.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Except it was big.
		And it was flaming, too.
		It wasn't just slobbering.
		And it was looking at me.
		Do you know what I mean?
		It had intent that was on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		It was coming for me.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you Did you At all Have I gone into another dimension?
		Have I time-slipped?
		Something or another.
		Did you think about any of that?
		In other words, why you were here, where you were, all of that?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Only before the creature started coming toward me did I think about anything like that.
		Once I realized that this was something that was coming toward me and had an intention of dealing with me, there was nothing but terror in my mind.
		And I was just in awe because I'd never seen anything like this ever.
		It was so fantastic, so much beyond the realm of anything in ordinary reality, especially because there was nothing else around it to compare it to.
		It's just black and this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I first called, I think a man answered, was that your husband?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have children?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		You do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you led a reasonably good life, do you think?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, when this happened, which was now 10 years ago, it took me that long, as Jeff was saying for him, it took me about 10 years before I was really able to talk about this to anybody else.
		Sure.
		I had really led a very ordinary life.
		I hadn't really lived very long and done very much.
		You know what I mean?
		In terms of time to really create too much havoc.
		I felt that I really had led a rather ordinary life in most aspects up until that point.
		That was another thing that seemed and continues to seem fantastic to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you sound articulate.
		You sound like a housewife.
		You sound pretty normal to me.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I am.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, I listen to you, so I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I put you out there a notch or so.
unidentified		Okay, you're not that normal then.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would consider myself to be a little bit, yeah, outside of the norm.
		But in terms of the way I relate to the world, yeah, you know, I hold a job.
		I pay my taxes, all that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So here comes this demon.
		Demon, I guess.
		Demon.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the way I look at it.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there is one more thing I need to ask you, and that is, so we can put this in perspective, your religious background.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was raised in Episcopalian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Strict?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Which is a really rather gentle sect, as far as the sects go, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		Can I ask you one thing, Sarah?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Didn't you tell us at the Friends of Iams group that I have on Sundays that you were coming back from a volunteer job at the church?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And you were on your way home from the church on your bike when you got hit by a hit-and-run driver.
unidentified		Yes.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I was getting ready to do a job as a deaconess at the church the very next day.
		And I was coming home happy, happy, happy when this happened to me.
		Because I was on top of the world at that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So not only were you doing something for the church, but you felt good about yourself?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was very happy at that point, yes.
		And I was on my bicycle, and I wasn't in a car, and I was very happy about that because it was a lovely country road that I was riding on, and it was a beautiful evening.
		You know, it really caught me by surprise and turned me upside down, literally, and everything after that too.
unidentified		Also, Art, I might mention that Sarah is carrying a lot of the physical scars of that experience too.
unidentified		Sarah, isn't it your right arm that's pretty much paralyzed?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I lost the use of my right arm as a result of the injuries from the accident afterwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about the rest of you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, collapsed lungs, internal organs?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		It took a long time before I could walk, and I suffered from a concussion also, so I had a complete loss of identity.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I had to teach myself to read again, and all those normal things that happen when you get a really, really serious injury like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Amnesia.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		It took a long time for me to become who I am now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had to actually learn to read again?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
		I couldn't read.
		I started with kids' books like, you know, Go Spot Go.
		And I remember it being a big achievement for me when I could read People magazine.
		And then I went on from there because before the accident I'd been in, and still am, a very avid reader, I love to read.
		And the fact that that had been taken away from me was almost too much for me to bear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did parts of your, I know we're jumping ahead here, but did parts of your previous life, the reading you did, the things you enjoyed, did they slowly begin to return to you?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Only parts of it.
		Actually, what I actually had to do as part of my remembering who I was was I went back and visited my childhood home and tried to find as many people as I knew that I'd grown up with so they could tell me about myself.
		And so I could sort of fit it as, oh, well, I guess this happened to me because you're telling me that it did, even though I don't really have a conscious memory of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you married then?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No, I wasn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You weren't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Single girl.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was this here in Nevada?
unidentified		No.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		This was in Marin County in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Marin County?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long were you to the world out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, just unconscious before you came back around to some form of consciousness physically?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Three days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three days in a virtual coma?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you, at any time during those three days, actually flatline?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		According to the medical records, five times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five times?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they kept losing me.
		They kept giving me an hour to live and then another hour to live.
		I was very critical for a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		It was really horrific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that you know when you flatlined?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think probably I don't have any conscious memory of it.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		As I said, for me, I came back to my body about three days later in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you really think you were gone for that three days?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		As far as I know, yes.
		You know, because there was basically I had the extended experience that I had, and then I was back in my body.
		But as far as time is concerned, three days had passed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i've never really heard a story like yours before this is uh...
		Oh, I fully understand that.
		This is really something new to me.
unidentified		And this isn't unusual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not unusual, Doctor?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I believe it's unusual, but I do not believe that my experience is unique.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Other people that have had experiences like mine, they just may not have ever told anybody about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, since that time, and so when did you begin talking about this?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, I spoke about it when I first came out and back to my body.
		I actually wasn't able to speak because I had a respirator in my face.
		But I started writing about it.
		And probably all the people in the hospital that I spoke to about it told me that I was just having intense hallucinations because of the fact that I was so incredibly injured.
		and then i told my immediate circle of friends at the time but it was such a fantastic thing that i could really feel them uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		drawing away from me because of it We'll come right back to you and to Dr. Jeff Long and Tricia McGill as well.
		I'm Art Bell.
		And as the old saying goes, you ain't heard nothing yet.
		You've just got the groundwork.
		Sounds like a pretty bright, articulate girl, doesn't she?
		Well, she certainly was.
		I would classify what she had as a negative NDE.
		And as I said, you ain't heard nothing yet.
		Imagine this, though.
		Somebody only mildly religious, yet coming home from church volunteer work, thrown 60 feet, flatlining five times, not once, but five times.
		And when you hear what she has gone through, what she actually went through, I mean, it was bad enough.
		The monster, the flames, and all the rest of it.
		Bad enough.
		But that was only the beginning of the terror that lay ahead for Sarah.
		And I don't know how the religious community is going to accept hearing this, because they always believed, of course, that there's heaven, there's perhaps purgatory, depending on how you believe, and there's hell, and not a lot in between.
		Well, for Sarah, there was a whole lot in between.
		In a moment, when we come back, we'll do part two.
		And amazing as all of this so far has been, it's nothing compared to what's coming up.
		This just absolutely was the most profound case of NDE that I've ever heard.
		So stay where you are.
		We'll be right back with more.
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		Don't forget tomorrow morning, if you get it, the first program ever done by me, anyway, with Father Balachai Martin.
		It was all about exorcism.
		And he, of course, was the exorcist.
		We'll be back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, pay attention out there, everybody.
		Here comes more of the Sarah interview.
		Go ahead and roll it.
		Back now to Dr. Jeff Long, Tricia McGill, and Sarah.
		Sarah, welcome back.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, it takes a lot of guts, I think, especially publicly, to talk about this.
		So you are now left without the use of one arm.
		Have you otherwise recovered, or are there any other lingering physical problems?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have, in that arm, I have a condition that's called reflex sympathetic dystrophy, which means I'm in pain all the time.
		So that has really changed my life in a great deal of ways also, because when you experience pain, I think when you're that young, and I didn't really have any, you know, precedent in my life for acute injury or acute pain.
		So it really served to kind of change my perspective.
		Especially about human beings and suffering.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Back to that most awful moment when out of the darkness, a little pinprick of light, and then this horrid being with flames around it, a creature, I guess like a monster movie coming at you.
		At you.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		At me.
		At an incredible rate of speed, too.
		Not slow.
		Very quick.
		It came toward me and it was, you know, there was nowhere to go in this black.
		I didn't think there was to move, you know, I didn't think to run because where was I going to go?
		And so what I did was, this is where I really say that I had an awareness of my body because I remember standing my ground, just sort of locking my knees and gritting my teeth and bawling up my hands and going, okay, whatever's going to happen, it's going to happen.
		And I closed my eyes as this creature, you know, I could feel its hot breath on me at that point, right?
		And what it did was actually started to pass through my body.
		And I had an awareness of it passing actually very slowly through my body.
		And as it was passing through my body, it was laughing and really gleefully laughing as it passed through me.
		And then it exited behind me with a pop.
		And then I started moving forward in the dark.
		And as I was rushing forward in the dark, there were there ended up being two more of these creatures that came at me.
		They were different colors from that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can actually remember, in other words, you say you rush forward as in physically running?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No, more as in like whooshing, like flying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But then I started moving forward.
		And then as in this infinite black, there was no sort of idea that I was moving toward anything.
		There was just black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And then another one of these creatures came, but I knew what to do about this one, and I just closed my eyes and it went through me.
		And then I kept going forward, and another one came, and these were both in different colors.
		They were still of the same aspect.
		They were still horrific looking, but they were just different colors than the original one.
		And so another one came through me, and it passed through me.
		And then I came to the entrance to a tunnel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To a tunnel.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And the tunnel was made out of clouds, or seemed to be made out of clouds.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		It was like gray storm clouds, different colors of storm clouds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And it was probably, it's hard to describe how large it was because I didn't have any idea of perspective at that point.
		But what I can tell you is that it went up and then branched to the right and went around at such a turn that I actually couldn't see where the right branch of the tunnel was going.
		And on the sides of the tunnel were kind of doorways in the clouds.
		And there were several different ones of them.
		There wasn't just one or two.
		They went up kind of at irregularly spaced intervals up the tunnels on both sides.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds almost like a maze.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't really a maze.
		It was more like a viewing gallery.
		You know, if you were walking down a gallery, there were windows on both sides, but these happened to be doorways in the clouds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		So at this point, I looked down at myself, and I no longer had my body.
		My body had become a little blue star, and I was just a little star of light, a little blue star.
		And then as I noticed myself as a blue star, which seemed a perfectly normal thing for me to be in this context, I looked back up the tunnel and I noticed that there were other little lights kind of moving around the tunnel up ahead of me.
		And it was far.
		It was a very vast distance.
		It wasn't as if I could just walk from one end of the tunnel very quickly if I had feet.
		But, you know what I mean?
		It was far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And there were other little lights in the tunnel.
		Not a lot.
		I'd say maybe six.
		And some of them were blue like me, and others were kind of orange-amber colored.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you had sight as we have sight now.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was still seeing, and I was still aware, completely aware of myself.
		Do you know what I mean?
		I had a complete utter personality of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		You said, obviously, without feet, now you're not walking.
		Were you able to intentionally produce motion?
		Could you move yourself in a direction?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, it happened that as I was gazing in this tunnel going, okay, now I'm here, and now I'm a blue star.
		Two little other blue stars appeared on either side of me, and they pushed me into the tunnel.
		So then I started moving, kind of floating into the tunnel.
		And that all seemed very normal at the time.
		I know it sounds fantastic, but it...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do understand.
unidentified		Yes.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		So as I was floating along, I observed that some of the doorways in the clouds were open, while others seemed to have been shut up.
		In terms of they didn't have like a door with a handle or anything like that.
		There was just kind of a darker area and you couldn't see in.
		And some of the doors had characters above them, like identifying what they were.
		But they weren't written or any characters that I'd ever seen.
		And sometimes that was very dim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you didn't really understand what those meant?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I just noticed, oh, isn't that interesting, that there were sort of something other than the clouds above the doors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they look like Egyptian characters or Chinese or something?
unidentified		They were fantastic.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		They could have been any combination of those, you know?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Egypto-Phoenician, Chinese, science fiction, who knows, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But definitely not door number one, two, and three.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No, nothing that was recognizable to me at all.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And not every door had that either, only some doors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, wow.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		So, anyway, the first doorway that I looked into looked like hell.
		There were people shrieking and screaming, and there were naked human beings strewn about this horrid landscape with pools of bubbling excrement, and there's boulders, and animals were torturing people,
		and people were torturing each other, and there were creatures with pitchforks and erupting flame geysers, and it was kind of the artist's classic depiction of hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me stop you right there.
		This is the most detailed description I've ever heard.
		I want you to hear something, Sarah.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a story about Siberia.
		And they drilled, it was said, the world's deepest hole in Siberia.
		And the scientists who drilled the hole heard something, and they lowered a microphone as far as they could into the hole, and they made a recording.
		And I had a listener who sent me a copy of that recording.
		And I want to play that recording.
		It's only a few seconds long.
		Listen very carefully.
		based on what you just described in the room that you saw the room that seemed like hell i wonder if it sounded like this so
unidentified		so
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sarah?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I just got goosebumps all over my body.
		Me too.
		Oh, that was just exactly like what it sounded like.
		That is amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I wanted to hear that, but when you said that, I couldn't resist.
		So you had that much sensory perception.
		You not only saw, but you heard.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, not only that, it got worse in that as I got close to this doorway, I was in kind of the center of the hall and I looked in and saw this scene, and I was like, whoa.
		And then I went toward this door, I kind of floated toward it, and there was a sucking sensation near this door, kind of like a whirlpool.
		And I got actually sucked into the hell.
		And I was kind of catapulted above it, and I was floating above this scene, which is one reason why I can describe it in such great detail, is because I was in there for a while, listening to it, looking at it, just, again, horrified and awed by what I was witnessing because the scenes of torment were so incredibly imaginative and different.
		There was every imaginable thing going on in there.
		You know, it was just that you can think of in terms of torture and human misery.
		It was happening in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were sucked into it.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And I was sucked into it, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you were above it.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I was above it, yes.
		I didn't have to.
		It wasn't as if anything was reaching for me.
		It was more as if I was observing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good Lord.
		At this point, Sarah, at any point during all of this, didn't you begin to intellectualize your situation and ask yourself, where am I and what's happened to me?
		Or was it so natural that you just never went through that process?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Really, I never, while this whole thing was happening, I never questioned why it was happening.
		I questioned what was happening in terms of, you know, is this even possible at all?
		But I never questioned why it was happening.
		It just seemed as if it was something that I needed to see.
		You know?
unidentified		Or maybe you were familiar with it.
		Pardon me?
		Could it be possible that, Sarah, you were familiar with it because you'd been there before?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		That's very possible.
		I have no idea.
		All I know is that it had a strange fascination to me in its horrible way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you weren't yet really part of it.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't have to be part of it.
		I was floating above it.
		And then there was one point where, kind of like when you're watching a horror movie and you decide, all right, that's enough of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And I moved toward, I said, all right, I'm leaving.
		And I went back toward the door, which was the doorway out into the tunnel was visible from everywhere in this landscape.
		No matter where you looked, you could always see the door, and the door was always open.
		And you could see the tunnel, you know, the cloud of tunnel, and in there it seemed very calm, especially considering the tumult that's all around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, an obvious question is, though, those who were in that hell couldn't get to that door while you could.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I think my feeling about this is, because of what happened next, which was actually I left without any difficulty.
		And as I was passing through the door, my thought at that point was that the people that were in this scene could leave it at any time.
		they just weren't aware that they could because they were so caught up in their own idea needed to suffer Yeah, perhaps they were keeping themselves there.
		Yes, they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen the recent Robin Williams movie?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		On your recommendation, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Yes.
		It must have jolted you pretty hard.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		It was interesting, but not exactly the same as my experience, only because he never had the idea of the tunnel, and the tunnel was so primary for mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		But his idea of hell was tame for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tame compared to what you saw?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Tame compared to what I saw, yeah.
		well and all of this is confusing to the layman because when you start talking about clouds and light and being a blue light that begins to sound kind of spiritual on the good side I think actually it's more what form humans may take when they lose their body or what form we perceive this particular experience in.
		don't know Yes, and that's what I think too.
		I think so, definitely, from the experience that I had.
		That people had sentenced themselves.
unidentified		That's what I've gotten from all of my research also, Art.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you left there on your own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got out.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I felt really lucky, too, because I was afraid that I wasn't going to be able to get out because that sucking sensation had been so strong coming in.
		And, you know, even as I was leaving, I could sort of feel the energy kind of pouring back in, sort of if anything else unwary kind of came along, it was also going to get sucked in.
		You know.
		So it was pretty interesting in that respect.
		And then I was back in the tunnel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back in the tunnel of clouds and doors.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Right, tunnel of clouds and doors.
unidentified		Okay.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		So I decided I was going to keep going up the tunnel.
		And so the next world that I looked into, which was, I don't remember if it was exactly the one right next to the hell, but the next door that I looked in that I have a conscious memory of, was also a kind of hell.
		It was kind of a completely yellow landscape that was flat.
		And there were people, and they were just walking.
		And they had their heads down, and they were totally depressed and totally self-absorbed in this utter miserable state of mind.
		And they walked past each other, and they walked next to each other, and they were totally oblivious that anybody else was there, and that was all that was happening, except there was a sun in the sky that would cast incredibly long shadows of these people across the landscape.
		And again, there was this sense here, again, of another kind of misery.
		It wasn't as graphic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not as torturous.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No, but it was, in certain levels, it was worse because these people were completely isolated and alone.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And in their isolation and in their loneliness, they were utterly lost and miserable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was, that's what I thought, too.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		When I looked in that world, I was like, oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		That one I didn't have to go into, though.
		That one I managed to.
		There was no sucking sensation at that door.
		I just looked at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You looked at it and said, wow.
		Enough of this place.
		All right.
		Hold on, Sarah, and hold on.
		Dr. Jeff Long and Tricia McGill.
		I'm Art Bell, and I don't think I've ever heard as graphic a description of a trip to a place of this kind ever.
		This is somebody who flatlined five times, was thrown 60 feet by an automobile.
		So there is part two.
		Now, as the old saying again goes, you ain't heard nothing yet.
		I mean, this story just kept going and going and going.
		And obviously, this was written actually for her as she related it.
		A number of people have asked, well, how was it written?
		Well, it was written for her and or written by her when she was able to finally write.
		And so all of this is a very fresh recollection that you're hearing.
		Why would a church volunteer, a young lady without too many marks on the negative side, face something like she is obviously facing?
		And as I said, you just haven't heard it all yet by a long shot.
		I don't know, but it profoundly affected me because as I listened to her, and I like to think of myself as a pretty good judge of voices and people, it was obvious to me that she was absolutely telling the truth as she precisely recalled it.
		Don't you have that impression?
		Not just telling a story to be on the radio at all, nothing like it.
		In fact, we had to drag her to the radio to get her to do this.
		But once she got into it, it should be obvious to anybody listening that this was an actual, true experience that this young lady had.
		And the question remains, why?
		And is that really what awaits all of us?
unidentified		But we're not done yet.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		The best part lies directly ahead.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You haven't heard it all yet.
		More of Sarah coming right up.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		somewhere in time with art bell continues courtesy of premier networks Back now to Dr. Jeff Long, Tricia McGill, and Sarah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sarah, welcome back.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, it takes a lot of guts, I think, especially publicly, to talk about this.
		I've never heard anything as detailed as this in my life from somebody like you ever.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, it really, absolutely, utterly changed my life forever, and it has been the pivotal event in my existence ever since then.
		And one of the reasons why I want to communicate it is so that I can move forward with this and join with other people in sort of celebrating this event so that it no longer is something that is, you know, just my own.
		And, you know, it's just very...
		And especially with something like this where you don't have any precedent in your existence for such a thing, how do you fit that back into an ordinary reality when you return to it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I don't know either.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I haven't done a very good job with that.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's finish it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You came out of this second room where people were on a yellow floor, sort of.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In just sort of a horribly depressed state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you sort of looked in that one and didn't spend much time.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No, I just felt a great deal of compassion for these people again because it seemed again like they were choosing this state.
		Like they didn't have any idea that this was not what they had to be at all.
		But unfortunately, they didn't have any idea of that.
		All they knew is that this is what it was.
		And just to see all these different human beings just passing each other by like ships in the night and having no idea that anybody else was there was just so isolating and lonely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other than those creatures which more than noticed you came after you, did anybody in any one of these rooms, were they aware you were there, do you think?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		No, it was more like looking in an aquarium, kind of like that idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Because in both cases, the tunnel was kind of above these landscapes.
		So it was very much a kind of a looking down on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then what?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I decided to keep continuing up the tunnel and the next world that made any sort of impression on me was kind of a very different one in the aspect of it was the most beautiful thing that I'd ever seen.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And in that way the Robin Williams film touched me very deeply because the kind of color that he had there and the beautiful waterfalls and bridges and fountains and it was sparkling and iridescent and welcoming and I could hear the sounds of birds and all this other thing going on in there and it was like, oh boy, well I definitely want to go in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way folks, it's called What Dreams May Come.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was wonderful.
		But this world, later, in fact several years later after I had this experience, I saw the paintings of an artist named Gilbert Williams.
		And this world was very much like his paintings, if you're familiar with his work at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		But anyway, it was luminescent.
		Everything was lit from within and sparkling and living and gorgeous.
		And it was very interesting because as I went toward this world, of course I wanted to go in there.
		I was like, oh yeah.
		As I started to pass through the doorway, it was as if my little star nose got stuck against a piece of plastic wrap and I couldn't go any further in to this world.
		And a voice, kind of almost as if I touched a doorbell, a voice said, you do not have the information to enter this world.
		And I was terribly disappointed, but I thought, okay, well, what can I do?
		You know, I can't go any further.
		In fact, I remember I kind of tried to push through this transparent covering over this world, but it didn't work.
		I didn't go in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have the information.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		To enter this world, yes.
		And I thought, well, okay.
		And I thought to myself, well, I'm certainly going to get the information wherever I, somehow I will get the information to enter that world.
		But that was a big disappointment for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		So at that point, I was kind of near the, very much near the end of the tunnel in terms of where it branched to the right.
		Okay.
		And so I, in my little star self, I turned around, and there, in this right branching, was a big yellow and white light that was very bright and intense and beautiful and wonderful.
		So I decided, okay, well, may as well go into the light.
		So I went into the light, and I'm in the light, and I feel this incredible feeling of joy and happiness and bliss.
		And I noticed that that's the only thing that I can feel.
		There's nothing else going on there but joy and happiness and bliss and celestial, you know, harmony, and it was overwhelming.
		And I said to the light, I said, I'm here.
		And the light said in this kind of big voice, it said, great.
		You know.
unidentified		And then great.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And then I kind of gave myself up to the light.
		I merged with it.
		I became, I myself became nothing but eternal joy and bliss and happiness.
		And I kind of floated in this state for quite some time.
		And in this state, I lost my fear of death.
		And I learned a lot of things that are all kind of personal truths for me about myself in this state of joy and bliss.
		and it lasted for and unknown period of time and then I've experienced, Sarah, something like that in not an NDE, but an out-of-body experience I had just instantaneously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I know just a little tiny bit about it.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you think?
		Could you intellectualize?
		Obviously, something was going on because you were recognizing these things about yourself.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you had some sort of awareness.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		It was definitely a learning state and a healing state at the same time.
		But I was aware of myself.
		Again, I never lost my awareness of who I was, ever.
		No matter what was happening.
		Even in the state of utter joy and bliss, I was in utter joy and bliss, and yet the joy and bliss was also outside me and happening around me.
		And at one point, to be perfectly honest with you, it got kind of dull.
		And so I decided that I was going to leave this place of joy and bliss.
		And so I said to the light, I said, I'm leaving.
		And the light said, great.
		And I thought, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, so far I'm right with you because the feeling of eternal joy and bliss would, after a while, I suppose, sort of.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And I guess that sounds kind of sacrilegious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
		But it would be almost boring.
		In other words, you'd tire of it.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I did.
		I tired of it because, in certain levels, it was exhausting.
		Because it was never-ending.
		You know, there was nothing but that.
		There was no other emotion expressed.
		It was always joy and bliss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the light said.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		It's very wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The light said, great.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I had an idea that it doesn't matter on a personal level.
		You know, it didn't matter if I was there or if I wasn't there, this light was always going to be in eternal joy and bliss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were welcome to come, welcome to go.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And so that was just wonderful.
		So, and then, you know, and I remember thinking, well, okay, well, all right, well, I'm leaving now.
		And I kind of went rather quickly back down the tunnel and I paused.
		This is kind of, now we're kind of near the end of this here.
		This is my last little experience.
		But there was a doorway near the end of the tunnel that was actually near the entrance where I Came in, and this doorway looked out onto space.
		And there were galaxies and stars and planets, and it was utterly silent and utterly serene.
		And seemed, you know, if you could go out and float on that forever and be kind of numbly happy pretty much eternally.
		And there's also a sense of adventure, too, though.
		Like, if you went out there, you'd become like a voyager in the galaxy.
		And I kind of hovered on this doorway.
		And another little being came up and started talking to me about what my options were at this point.
		And through the opening of the doorway, I could hear voices that were saying, come back, Sarah.
		You know, what about Zane, which is my son's name?
		And I got very annoyed with them because I thought, why are they bothering me about my son?
		Of course, I'm aware that I'm going to be returning to my son and my body.
		But I could hear them kind of clamoring through the doorway.
		And so I spoke with this little other being at this doorway, and we were talking, and suddenly it was kind of like the doorbell with the other world, where a voice said, if you pass through this door, you can't come back.
		And I thought, okay, well, I really don't want to go out there right now.
		And so I plopped myself back through the door where I came, and suddenly I was back in my body, and I was in a really brightly lit hospital bed, and there were all these tubes sticking into me, and I had a respirator in my face, and my body was humming with power.
		It was just full of electricity, but I couldn't move it at all, because at that point I was pretty much completely paralyzed.
		And yet also, you know, I was full of joy.
		I had no fear of death.
		I had all this wonderful truth about myself, and I couldn't move, and I couldn't communicate it to anyone at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You couldn't even write then.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, and I actually, at that point, it seemed like being in the hospital bed and being in my body and being so heavy was the abnormal part.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Do you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		That was a jolt, and I really didn't want to be there for a moment.
		But then I settled into the fact that, oh, well, here I was.
		And then as the feeling of electricity faded, then I got the wonderful feeling of pain.
		So I knew I was back in my body because it hurt.
		And it's understandable considering the extent of my injury.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long was it before you were able to either write or talk?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Talking took a month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A month?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Because I was on the respirator for almost that whole month because my lungs had really been pretty badly damaged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you could talk, you began to communicate, I'm sure, didn't you, what happened to you?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I did, and the health practitioners who were wonderful in terms of saving my life were very, they were upset by what I was saying.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		They didn't really, they told me basically that the experience that I had was a result of the hallucinations from the fact that I'd been so badly hurt and that none of what I had experienced was real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They told you that.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And I think that they were doing the best that they could in terms of the context of what they knew.
		You know, this is a fantastic occurrence.
		They had a job to do, which was to keep me alive, and that's more what they were concentrating on other than trying to, you know, fit what happened to me into the context of something that they knew.
		Since it was something outside what they knew, I don't really think they knew what to do with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would be no way for you to correlate the events that you went through to the five times that you flatlined, would there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, there would be...
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		in terms of time or even even synchronicity in other words you can't put together in your mind Sure.
		It would be wonderful to say that happened, but I can't honestly say that.
		All I can honestly say is that I know they lost me, and I know that this experience was obviously extended over a long period of time because three days had passed before I returned to my body.
		And by then my parents were there, and I don't remember actually if I communicated much to them at all about it.
		I know I told my close circle of friends, but again, I met with a great deal of kind of skepticism.
		And again, everyone was kind of humoring me because I was so injured.
		So I really shut up about it.
		And I shut up about it really until I came here to Las Vegas and found the little advertisement that Trish had put in one of the papers saying that she had a support group that she was creating for people with near-death experience.
		And I thought, okay, I'm going to go and I'm going to talk to other people who've had this experience, and then I'm not going to feel so alone and frightened and strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you met in the group or anywhere else anybody who had the experience you had?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I haven't met anybody who's had the same experience that I've had, but I've met other people who have had the same experience in terms of their lives have been transformed in the same way that mine was by the experience that they had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how is your life now different?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, the biggest thing I think, the biggest thing that I learned from that is that I lost my fear of death.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I lost any fear that I have of the fact that I will lose upon death my awareness of who I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel of Wrinkley tells me the same thing all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he just says, I'm not afraid.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		I'm not.
		No, it's not that I necessarily want to go quickly into that experience again.
		But the point is, when it comes, I have an acceptance of it that I wish I could communicate to other people because it is such a joy.
		Because nothing in My ordinary life now, no matter how hard it gets, can really shake my idea of who I am.
		And I know that even death will not dissolve my awareness of who I am.
		And I think that is one of the biggest things that people worry about when they die.
		They feel like they're going to disintegrate and disappear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cease to exist.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And that doesn't happen.
		I don't believe it happens at all.
		I think actually you have wonderful, that death is a wonderful adventure if you'll let it be.
		You know, I think that was one of the things about my experience is that death can also have some horrific aspects to it if that's your choice.
		But there's certainly many other avenues of death to explore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sarah, why do you think that the horrific aspects of that were your choice?
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		In my case, I think that they represented fear that I had of dying because I did have a great fear of dying.
		I was very kind of morbid as a child.
		I liked horror movies and ghost stories and all that stuff and I loved scaring myself.
		But I was really very afraid of death and also really very ignorant of death.
		I really knew nothing about it.
		No one in my immediate circle of family had really died where I actually had a good experience of death.
		You know, I was ignorant of death and I was afraid of death.
		And I think my horrific aspects of my near-death experience represented those things in myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Danian Brinkley is now compelled to go to hospices and to help people die.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that was my first thing, too.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		The only reason why it never happened was because I was afraid that I would go and present myself to medical practitioners and they would turn me away as a lunatic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've got a couple that didn't do that here on the phone.
		Sarah, I don't know how to thank you.
		I have never heard a story ever, ever like yours, and it was remarkable.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you for the opportunity, Art.
		It's been wonderful to share it.
		I hope that other people will come forward and share their experiences too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe now they will.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		They can learn more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe now they will, Sarah.
sarah in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Okay, wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and good night.
		There you have it.
		There was the NDE of Sarah.
		So remarkable that I really thought that all of you should hear it either again or, I know, in many, many cases, for the first time.
		We're going in open lines, and you're more than welcome to comment on what you just heard, how you interpret what you just heard, anything you like.
		In the meantime, I think we're going to start down a slightly different road.
		I just got this, and I'm going to read it to you as is.
		Art, I'm in the health insurance business in a central California town of Kern County.
		One of my 69-year-old clients died.
		Maybe somebody who has more medical knowledge than I can figure out the real cause of death, what it was.
		Here were the symptoms.
		Sore elbow.
		Then it began swelling.
		No open wound.
		He would fall from time to time for no apparent reason.
		First diagnosed as bursitis.
		Then an orthopedic doctor said he had a staph infection in the elbow, drained some fluid from the elbow, then hospitalized him as having a staph infection and quarantined him.
		He was put on high doses of antibiotic intravenous drip.
		His condition worsened.
		His eyesight and ability to talk then went.
		They said it attacked his brain.
		Then pneumonia set in.
		He then went into a coma.
		He was dead within one and one-half weeks.
		Do these sound like the symptoms of Mad Cow to you?
		From complaint to dead in one and a half weeks with those symptoms.
		You tell me, I'm certainly not a doctor, but I thought when I read this that I should read it to you, and I don't know why.
		One of the questions that somebody wants me to ask, and I think I rather will tonight, is all of this that's happening to us right now, the environment, the diseases that are emerging and spreading like wildfire, all of this, just a simple question, why is all of this craziness happening?
		Again, why is all of this craziness happening?
		Do you have any answer for that?
		From the kids who are killing kids?
		You name it.
		I can't figure it out.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More somewhere in time coming up.
		In the day, nothing matters.
		It's the night.
		Don't matter.
		In the night, don't come home to the wall.
		Something like it.
		Where and why, as you're walking down the street I'm not so long Doing alright, a little different
		Driving on a Saturday night Come walk me Gonna die on a day's way Jenny will sleep She always smile for the people she needs On trouble who's driving
		She's got another way of making her life Yeah You deserve the move.
		I don't wanna get to you.
		What can I do?
		What can I do?
		Bring your networks presents Arch Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		Well, I wanted you to hear that.
		Now you've heard it, and I'd welcome your comments on it and or anything else you want to talk about.
		If you want to just take a shot at why is all this craziness happening.
		And I'm tired of documenting it.
		Everybody knows what it is going on out there right now and you know it's wrong.
		In every sector, it's sort of everything's off-kilter and wrong and headed in the wrong direction.
		You can feel it.
		And so there is an answer to what is going on.
		Maybe one of you has it.
		I certainly don't.
		I'm just an observer watching it race along.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		You are listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now, we're going to be either completely in open lines for the balance of the show, or if I get in the mood, we're going to play a little truth or trash.
		I know a lot of you have never, you have no idea what truth or trash is.
		It's when I find somebody who has a totally, totally fantastic story and who's willing to tell it.
		You can lie your tail end off if you want to.
		I don't care how fantastic the story is.
		Although I don't want paranormal stories.
		I don't want ghost stories.
		Well, for sure, I don't want ghost stories because you can't judge those very well, you know.
		But what I want is fantastic stories in any category, really.
		And then five, after you've told your story, I put you on hold and five people get to vote on what they think of your story.
		Thumbs up, thumbs down.
		Truth or trash, in other words.
		So maybe we'll do a little bit of that.
		I had that on the headline for tonight, but I really, really wanted to replay that incredible story.
		And that'll be with you.
		If you listened to the whole thing tonight, it's going to be with you for a while.
		On the international line, you are on the air, top of the morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Dumstad, Germany.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		My name's Harry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Harry.
unidentified		I've only been on your show once before.
unidentified		And I really enjoyed the last segment that you did with this lady.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Because it confirms so much of what I know to be true, and that is that we are frequency or vibrational beings, and we set our own reality about what we believe.
unidentified		And she said so much of this that things go by what we believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she got to see some areas that I found really troubling.
		I mean, almost every other NDE that you hear about, it's warm and fuzzy and great.
		But my God, we were hearing about people in one room or area or world, if you want to look at it that way, who were obviously in hell.
		Another room where people might as well have been in hell.
unidentified		I remember one thing she said, though, that she could leave whenever she wanted, that it was open.
unidentified		It was all by what she believed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		But remember now, she was coming back.
		If there's a God, if there is a greater power, and I'm sure there is, that had already been predetermined.
		So for some reason, she was allowed to look at things that others have not seen.
unidentified		Oh, I'd agree with that.
		I'd agree with that 100%.
		But another thing I heard, coming from her Christian background and their beliefs in this eternal hell, I look at it as a way to give Christians or people that are not Christians who just can't measure up, so to speak, a way to see that they're not going to be tormented forever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		Yeah, you can look at it any way you want.
		She was pretty credible, wasn't she?
unidentified		Yes, absolutely.
unidentified		Hey, Art, can I take a stab at what's going on just real quick?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be my guest.
unidentified		What's going on right now is we are living in an electromagnetic universe.
		We are electromagnetic beings.
		We said vibrational frequencies.
		And right now our sun is going through a radiation belt of some type, an energy thing, because we're coming to the beginning of a cycle where our universe, our galaxy travels around the universe, and it's almost at the start point.
		It's an exciting time.
		But the thing is, I study ancient things, you know, such as the Greeks, the Egyptians.
		And what it is, is we no longer have connection with the electronics lining up the pyramids and the harmonic frequencies.
		And in this shift that's going to happen, a lot of destruction is going to happen.
		But thanks to God to people like you are and others who are getting information out.
		People are starting to understand and see that there's a way of being safe.
		And that is through letting their feelings guide them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in Europe.
		You're where this whole mad cow scare is probably right now the scariest.
		How is it affecting people over there?
unidentified		Well, if you go into, we have Walmarts over here.
		If you go into Walmarts and other stores, there's vegetarian products there now.
		Our health food stores are steaming with people.
		They're not going, buying into meat as they did before.
		Well, I'm not really worried about mad cow disease at all for me because I am a vegetarian.
		Oh, well, one of the ancient things that I read about, and this is coming from a philosopher, he said, as long as we cause pain and murder in the world, we will never know peace and joy.
		And I think it's a way of the animals actually revolting against us and saying, okay, enough's enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		take care of my friend all the way from germany as long as we As long as we continue to project negativism in the form of emotions and violence, and, oh, there's a lot of that going on around the World right now, isn't there?
		Look at what's going on in the Middle East.
		Look at what's going on right here on Main Street.
		As long as we continue to project that, we will push ahead the events that are apparently inevitable.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hi, Ayr.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		I'm trying to think of a story here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A story?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're supposed to have thought of that before you called.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's all right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, my name is Claudia.
unidentified		I'm calling from South Lake Tahoe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Claudia.
unidentified		Hi, and I'd like to tell a story that happened.
		It happened about 10 years ago.
		And I was living in Australia.
		And every single night I would have these dreams, and it was of these people.
		They looked like, I wouldn't say aliens, but they weren't earthly either, but they had brown robes on.
		And every night they came in my dreams for a full week.
		And every night they were giving me all this information.
		It was like scientific.
		I mean, it was just mind-boggling information.
		Like I was going to Harvard.
		By the time I was done, I said, I had enough.
		I had enough.
		I can't take any more of this information.
		I sat down and I did these ten drawings.
		And I took the drawings after I was done.
		I couldn't believe that I did these.
		They were like poster-sized black and white.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were they drawings of?
unidentified		It had, well, one was like of the Sphinx and this man opening it up, the Sphinx looking inside it.
unidentified		Another one would be alien ships.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, it was just tons and tons of.
		So I had drawn 12 poster size, and everyone that saw it was so shocked.
		They said, you've got to show these to somebody, you know.
		So I had a friend when I was in Australia who knew the art professor of Sydney University, and I took him there, and I said, well, what do you think?
		What is this?
		Because I had never drew anything.
		I mean, not even stick people.
		And he has said...
		He had said that not even a draftsman could have drawn these as perfect.
		But anyway, all the material in it, I mean, it is shocking to see.
		But anyway, he said that you broke every rule and it worked.
		And he goes, I don't know how you did it.
		And I told him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meaning what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You broke every rule.
unidentified		Oh, and when they teach you how to do things in art, you know, they teach you a specific material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see what you're saying.
unidentified		Yeah, and art training.
		But I had no art training.
		And he was like, he just couldn't believe it.
		But anyway, so what I was wondering is, I've always thought about this, if a lot of people out there have the same experience.
		You know, did a lot of drawing, and they don't know where it came from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't happen to draw an engine or a drive system for a craft, did you?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you did?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		Well, gee, this gets more interesting by the moment.
		All right.
		And so then what happened?
		Wait, wait, wait, wait.
		What have you done with these drawings?
unidentified		I just held on to them because I didn't know what to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you still have them?
unidentified		Actually, I had written one time a letter to Whitney Stiper, but I didn't get a response.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you're talking to me right now.
		So I'm asking you, you have the drawing?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you like people to see these drawings?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would?
unidentified		Yes, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a way to scan these drawings?
unidentified		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How big are they?
unidentified		They're poster-sized, like, say, 18 by 26 or something.
		You know, pretty long.
		I could send them to you, like in a tube.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't want that responsibility.
		Here's what I would like, though.
		Let's see if it might be possible for you to, say, go to a photographic shop where they could reduce them, keep them in scale, and still have plenty of high resolution.
		And then they could be sent to me either in the reduced form, the copies, which would be ideal, really, or scanned and sent to me by computer, and we could get them on the website because I would sure love to see them.
unidentified		Oh, okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about it?
unidentified		So who do I send it to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a pencil and paper?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ready to copy?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that would be me, Art Bell.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		P.O. Box 4755.
		In Perump.
		That's Piazza Paul.
		A-H-R-U-M-P.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the zip code is 89041.
unidentified		Okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, I'll do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bless your heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you and take care.
unidentified		Okay, bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about that?
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She couldn't even draw stick people and yet proclaimed to be a great art.
		Great work.
		Incredible work.
		Beyond her ability.
		And it came from Five Days of Dreams.
		And she drove.
		She drew a drive system and an alien craft.
		Now that's got to be worth a look, don't you think?
		So if she can get those reduced and get them to me, I will get them to you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off right away.
unidentified		It's off.
		It's off now.
		Okay.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
unidentified		I was wondering, you know, I was thinking about the rods.
		And you had mentioned something else connected to out-of-body.
		What if rods are people having out-of-body experiences and they're flying around as rods?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was suggested to me by somebody else.
		I can't remember who.
		Gosh, shucks.
		It could be those are released souls flitting about.
		But I don't know.
		I kind of hope that's not it because I don't want to think of that as, you know, what I'm going to be when I pass to the other side.
		But then again, I don't want Sarah's trip either.
unidentified		It might be fun to fly around like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, flying I like, but I'd like to be more than a rod.
unidentified		Well, maybe that's just the way we see them in the third dimension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you could be absolutely correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it could be that the dimensions are beginning to part and that we'll all be seeing each other pretty soon.
unidentified		I hope so.
unidentified		That'll be fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		All right, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
		Tell you what I'm going to do.
		During the news, at the top of the hour, I'm going to be scouring my lines, and I have many phone lines here, for one of you that has a really good story.
		Now, remember, your story need not be the truth.
		It can be a complete and total fabrication.
		I don't care.
		Or it can be the stranger-than-truth story.
		Stranger-than-fiction story, rather.
		You know, so incredible that you're probably going to trip up the people saying it's truth or trash.
		This is how we play this game.
unidentified		But above all, it's got to be a really good story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Generally, not of the paranormal, not of ghosts, because those things are very difficult to judge.
		These are life stories, things that have happened to you that are absolutely incredible.
		And I know that a lot of incredible things have happened to you all, right?
		So I will scour the lines for such a story during the break.
		And if I get one, when we come back, we will play at least a small edition of Truth or Trash.
		And if we have fun, we'll play more.
		We'll see.
		We'll see.
		That'll be at the top of the hour.
		So if you have such a story, be prepared to call in at the top of the hour.
		I'll have five minutes to find you.
		In the meantime, Western the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Pleased to meet you.
		Boy, I've been listening to you for quite a while.
		Back when you were under 40 affiliates, I was listening on COGO back in 90, whatever, for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, it's a funny thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After hearing myself do the interview with Sarah, I don't sound any different.
unidentified		No, you don't.
		I don't.
		Just as interesting, though.
		See, I've got a truth of trash story for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, you heard me say that I would be scouring the lines for five minutes to find a really good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So are you telling me you've got a really good one?
unidentified		I think I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's hear it.
		All right.
		If it's not a good one, I will not submit it to the jury.
unidentified		All right.
		All right.
		This happened about three, three and a half years ago.
		Down my basement.
		Light needed to be fixed.
		It turned out I didn't turn the master switch off.
		I thought I cut the basement part of the circuit breaker off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Anyhow, I had my mother down there.
unidentified		She was shining a flashlight up at the light while I was taking a screwdriver to the light socket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
		Wait a minute.
		A screwdriver to the light socket?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Just what you don't want to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Well, anyhow, I stuck the screwdriver up there, and the first thing that happened was a big old bolt of electricity shot through that screwdriver and down my arm, my left arm, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And felt it all the way down my left body.
		And anyhow, I didn't think much of it.
		Well, I did at the time, but this big old gouge out of the screwdriver.
		I didn't notice this, I didn't really correlate this until a few days later, but whenever I was at the ATM machine and I'm right-handed.
		And at the time, I had a bag in my right hand, so I was using my left hand to punch in my PIN number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And nothing was coming out.
		Or actually, it kept coming back reject.
		So I didn't think much of it, and I put my bag down from my right hand, used my right hand, and of course everything worked out all fine.
		Then that same day, I had a radio, and it was not plugged in, there's no batteries in it, and I happened to lift it up with my left hand, and the radio went on.
		And I thought it was sort of odd.
		I thought there's batteries in there, but it felt too light because it takes four D batteries in there, so usually you can tell the difference in light.
		Put it down, the radio goes off.
		Lift it back up, radio goes on.
		And I thought it was real odd.
		Anyhow, I once showed, you know, my brothers and sisters, you know, what was happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look at me, I'm an electrical demon.
unidentified		It could be.
		Could be.
		Well, I live in Las Vegas now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you gamble?
unidentified		So I tried my hand at the slots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, I hate to say, but I was using my left hand, trying to get something going, but oddly enough, I can't win a thing with my left hand.
		You know, 10, 15, 20 poles, it doesn't matter.
		I can't win at all.
		I use my right hand, you know, and I pick up a few cherries here and there, but left hand cannot win.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're telling me that you have destroyed the luck of your left hand?
unidentified		Evidently, it has something flowing in me that I can't control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've actually destroyed the luck of your left hand.
		All right, hold it for a minute.
		Let's see if this works.
		East of the Rockies, do you think that story was truth or trash?
		It could be true, but I was calling up.
		No, no, no, no, no.
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		That was probably trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, trash.
		All right.
		Well, I'll put you down for trash.
		All right, wildcard line, tell me, was that truth or trash?
unidentified		I'd say that was truth or trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Truth.
		That's one of each.
		All right.
		First time caller line, was that truth or trash?
unidentified		Oh, I say it was trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolute trash.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, do you think that story was truth or trash?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm going to go ahead and tell you it's going to be true due to the fact that we have our magnetic base of our anatomy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's all I can take.
		Truth or trash?
		What do you think, Welcard?
		Hi there.
unidentified		Hi, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't wow me.
unidentified		I've got the answers for you, Arbat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just give me a truth or trash answer.
unidentified		Okay.
		Oh, no, no, no.
		Yes, yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but I don't have more time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, was that story truth or trash?
unidentified		Your vote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was trash.
		Oh, absolute trash.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		All right.
		Caller, are you still there?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They said it's trash.
unidentified		Well, the bolts of electricity too, the screwdriver's too, but everything else is trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They nailed you, caller.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm on Port K Don, KBWN.
unidentified		You're in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good night.
unidentified		You are listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
		I know I could cry.
		I just can't find the answer to the questions that keep going through my mind.
		Baby, is it the time?
		Life is your time to wait.
		But falling in love would be on the stage.
		Baby, is it the time?
		Somewhere in Time with Art Bell, continued.
		Courtesy of Premier Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what the hell?
		Let's play truth or trash for a while, shall we?
		All right, I'm going to be hunting for stories, and I've got a pretty good one coming up.
unidentified		And as long as I get good stories, we will continue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, let's just light it off right now, shall we?
		This should be interesting.
		On my wildcard line, who have I got?
		Do you want to give your name or do you want to give your first name or not?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to give your first name?
unidentified		No, I don't think so.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear your story.
unidentified		Well, I work for a company that does a little bit of everything, so to speak, but I'm what's in the industry referred to as an NTV pilot.
unidentified		That would be a non-terrestrial vehicle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You pilot UFOs?
unidentified		Yes, sir, and they're not actually UFOs because we've got quite a deal of information accumulated over the years on these vehicles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean, we, Tonto?
		I mean, are you part of our government in some way?
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you work at an area near me?
unidentified		Approximately 93 miles, bearing probably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then let's just spit it out here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You work at Area 51.
unidentified		Yes, that's what it's commonly referred to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why have you decided to speak out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, normally people who work at Area 51 are in fear of their family, their finances, and their own neck if they speak out.
unidentified		That's basically true, but let's one have a way to, shall we say, remove oneself from the area?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're about to be on the run, is what you're telling us.
unidentified		Oh, no, not unless this is actually found out.
unidentified		But I definitely have a way out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, unless it's found out, you're on national radio right now.
unidentified		That's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it might be and it might not be.
		So you pilot extraterrestrial craft of what type?
		Tell us about them.
		Or anything you want about it.
		Or anything you're willing to tell us.
unidentified		Well, in simple terms, they're, as you refer, gravity-defying.
unidentified		Actually, they're a gravity nullification device.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		They accelerate at unbelievable speeds when compared to aircraft that are of aerodynamic type.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Terrestrial design.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, normal terrestrial design aircraft.
		Yes, sir.
		To be in the kind of position that you are in, you certainly would have to have a background, I would think, as a test pilot or some sort of background like that.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is accurate?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything else you want to say about all of this before you are adjudged by our fellow listeners here?
unidentified		Well, I would say that in a few days, a lot of things are going to be made clear to the public through the fact that, say, several inducements have been put into several craft that are also flying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean inducements?
unidentified		Anomalies that will be brought forth in their programming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what?
		You mean to say that you have, in effect, or somebody has, in effect, sabotaged some of these extraterrestrial craft that the government is testing?
		Is that what I just heard?
unidentified		Not to test vehicles.
unidentified		what do you mean not the test vehicles when the one that When the one that has the anomalies in it makes its landing, all that's inside will become clear to the American and world public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is going to happen within a matter of days.
unidentified		I would say within 23 hours, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		23 hours?
unidentified		Yes.
		And I would say that over.
		Eventually it will make the news.
		Initially, it'll be an extreme shock to the public due to the fact that the area that it lands in.
		I would say the hush will come extremely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know where it's going to land?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You obviously do, don't you?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to tell us?
unidentified		I would say that the fire would come from the west.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You stay right there on the line for a minute, all right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm going to have to come back to you and find out if indeed you're telling us the truth or whether that's utter trash.
		Let's see what you all have to say about the story you just heard.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Do you think that was possibly the truth or do you think it was utter trash?
		I think it was the truth.
		You think it was the truth, really?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty fantastic story, but you're going for it, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		There's one for the truth.
		Boy, I'll tell you, it never ceases.
		I'm always surprised.
		West of the Rockies, do you think that was the truth, or do you think we were all fed a bunch of trash there?
unidentified		Oh, I think we were fed a huge line of trash.
		Huge amount of trash.
		A huge line of trash.
		But I need you to keep me on the line on the telephone number girl story.
		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Let's see.
		Actually, I can't do that.
		We'll just have to go for the next story.
		First time caller line, do you think that was a truth or trash?
unidentified		Trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trash.
		Uh-oh.
		Leaning over in the trash direction here.
		All right, we take a total of five votes on these things, which, you know, it's not a big sample.
		East of the Rockies, do you think that had the ring of truth or the dull thud of trash?
unidentified		Oh, shoot, I had a story, but it's trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trash, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, the story I have is really cool compared to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how could it be really cool compared to that?
		Just for that, I will put you on hold.
		I'll try it anyway.
		West of the Rockies, do you think that story was truth or trash?
unidentified		I think it was trash.
unidentified		Trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's one, two, three, four trashes and one truth.
		And I am sorry, caller.
		They say it was trash.
		You don't know.
		He couldn't stand that much rejection.
		He didn't even stick around to tell us if it was truth or trash.
		Well, I guess humiliation does that to you.
		Let's take a quick break.
		Come back and see what else awaits us.
unidentified		Let's take a quick break.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
		Coast to Coast AM All right, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's the young lady who said she had a story that was even better than that one.
		That one was pretty good.
		Now, he did either hang up at the end in humiliation, having received four trash votes, or there was the sound of strangulation just before I went to the line and you just heard it, you know, as they killed him.
		It's hard to say which.
		Personally, I think he hung up.
		All right.
		Where are you and who are you?
unidentified		This is Gabriel from Fowler, Ohio.
		Okay.
		And we had a neighbor survive having his head cut off by a chainsaw.
		Believe it or not, yeah.
		What had happened, this gentleman was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, nobody can survive having their head cut off.
unidentified		Well, he was an eccentric type of West Virginian.
		I met the man a long, long time ago when I was a kid.
		And he was out back cutting wood with his chainsaw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hit a knot in the log.
		The chainsaw jumped back on him and cut him really bad across the neck.
		And I don't know he ended up, this guy ended up walking from his house to the fire station, which was like less than a mile away.
		And the paramedics just saw the mess and assisted him, ran him to the hospital, and he survived.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Hold it.
		When you say he cut his head off, it wasn't like the entire head.
		If you cut through the spinal cord, that's it, baby.
unidentified		Well, I don't know if there's degrees of decapitation or what, but it was considered decapitation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no.
		There are degrees of decapitation.
		Believe me, there really are.
		There are degrees.
		And if it's 100 degrees, then, you know, 100%, then I don't think you do survive that.
		But you're saying that it was a degree of decapitation at the very least, and they got him there fast enough, and he actually survived.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		His head cut off.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's recorded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this man, you're claiming, is alive today?
unidentified		Well, no, what happened is later on, like two years later, he shot his wife who ran across the street and hid into a neighbor's closet waiting for authorities to come and die bleeding to death.
unidentified		And then he turned around and turned the gun on himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After that, he kills himself.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		It's kind of like watching a dog get hit by a truck and then surviving hit by a smaller thing and then surviving it or dying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, it's absolutely like that, yes.
		All right.
		Well, are you prepared to be judged on that story?
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And do you promise to not hang up when I come back, even if you've been trashed?
unidentified		Most definitely, my dear sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right, then.
		Hold on.
		All right.
		We are now going to go for judgment on this story.
		Man hits not with chainsaw, which backfires and to some degree decapitates him, and yet he survives to kill and then himself.
		Pretty incredible story, no matter how you rack it up.
		All right, here we go.
		West of the Rockies, do you declare that story to be truth or trash?
unidentified		Well, I know numerous other conditions exactly like that that are truth because I used to run an ambulance for 15 years, but I got a story art to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I know, but that's all right.
		Right now, I just need your vote, sir.
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		Yeah, it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I've handled lots of similar cases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
		I appreciate the vote.
		Thank you very much.
		That's one for true.
		On my wildcard line, you're on the air.
		The decapitation story.
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		I would have to say it's truth.
		Based on a lot of these believe it or not, stories that they've run on TV, you've got to go along with it.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Does it have the ring of truth or the stench of trash?
unidentified		Stench of trash.
		Trash.
		Lying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lying through her teeth, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, it might have happened, but it wasn't her friend.
unidentified		I think that's on the cover of The Inquirer this month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it might be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly was told, Well, all right.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's two for truth, one for trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the international line, where are you?
unidentified		Hi, I'm calling from Taiwan, and I have a truth of trash story for you, but let me tell you that that last story was trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it was trash?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How good is yours?
unidentified		Mine's pretty good, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're in Taiwan, huh?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I should give you some preference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm going to put you on hold, then.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And I'm going to take one more vote.
		The crucial tie-breaking vote on the head came off but guy survived story.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, I'm on the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you are going to be the deciding vote for this very earnest young lady who told us this story about the man who got decapitated but hung in there to kill.
unidentified		Well, she sounds like a nice girl, but I hate to say it, but it sounds like trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trash, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I don't mean to say it in those words because I like to be polite, but it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't mince words here.
unidentified		It sounds like a fabrication.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate your call and your honesty.
		Thank you very much.
		And now we go back to the young lady who told the story, and by a vote of three to two, they have said it was utter, complete garbage.
unidentified		Well, I hate to disappoint them.
unidentified		But it was most definitely true and was recorded in Ripley's, believe it or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be damned.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ripley's, so people can go to Ripley's, believe it or not, and they can confirm your story.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		It's known as the man from Fowler who survived having his head cut off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You blew them away, dear.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		You're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Ah, yeah.
		She did great.
		She got you.
		Ha ha ha ha.
		All right.
		To Taiwan, out across the Pacific.
		Where are you in Taiwan?
unidentified		I'm in Taipei.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Taipei, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And I listen to you on the internet, and I appreciate having that service so I can listen to you every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed, boy.
unidentified		I get to hear you in the afternoon.
unidentified		Unlike everyone else, I have to stay up all night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing in Taipei?
unidentified		I work.
unidentified		I'm a professor here in Taipei.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're a professor, all right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear it.
unidentified		My story isn't as wild as having a head cut off, but when I first came here to Taiwan, I did not speak any Chinese.
		And, you know, I spoke English and got along very well.
		But I started to study Chinese, and I think that anybody who has probably studied a language knows if you study a language for a long time, you start to dream about it at night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Okay.
		Now, the strange thing about me was when I would dream, I would be dreaming, you know, partly in English, partly in Chinese.
		What would happen to me, I would dream down to a point, and then I wouldn't be able to communicate anymore.
		I didn't know the word, and I would wake up.
		And so I had this terrible insomnia for weeks and weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you kidding?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you could never, because you were dreaming in Chinese, you could never quite complete a dream, and that would make you wake up.
unidentified		Yeah, every time I was trying to interact with someone, I would get to a point where communication would start to break down, and I could feel frustrated.
		You know what I mean?
		I mean, of course I was asleep, but I felt that frustration, and that would wake me up.
		Until there was one night when I was having a dream, and I remember the dream very clearly.
		I was asking for directions.
		I don't remember where it was I wanted to go, but I was asking someone for directions and was unable to communicate and was getting frustrated.
		Just before I was about to wake up or wake myself up, the man in the dream said, stop.
		Don't do that.
		That's your problem.
		And he said, follow me.
		And so, okay, now this gets kind of disappointing because he doesn't take me to any place like real interesting or anything.
		Matter of fact, I don't even remember where we went.
		We just walked around, walked around, walked around.
		He said to me, I don't know why you're lost.
		You've been here before.
		And led me around and led me around.
		I woke up the next morning and I could speak Chinese fluently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me hear something fluent in Chinese.
unidentified		I could tell you the same story I just told you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, that's pretty good.
unidentified		That's what I said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now hey, listen, that's some story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so now you're living happily in Taipei, rattling off Chinese as you wish, right?
unidentified		Yes, and let me say one thing.
		It's for that reason that I believe in reincarnation, because he said to me very clearly, he said to me, you've been here before.
		I don't know why you're lost.
		And I have this feeling that that's what he was saying, that you already have all this information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and obviously some switch got thrown and boom, you could speak Chinese fluently.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, that's a great story, sir.
		Stay right where you are.
		Do not hang up.
		Do not leave.
		Do not get discouraged.
		We're going to take a vote now.
		All right?
unidentified		Yeah, sure thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Pretty good story, as they go, I would say.
		All right, here it comes.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		You think the man from Taipei was telling the absolute truth in English or muttering trash in Chinese?
unidentified		Muttering trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trash.
unidentified		I've got an awesome story for you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'll have to.
		I know, but you're.
		Well.
		I'll try.
		Hold on.
		Just hold on.
		I can't put everybody on hold, obviously.
		All right.
		Well, that's one trash.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi, Art.
		The man who could suddenly, miraculously become fluent in Chinese, truth or stench?
unidentified		I think it was believable up to the point where he became fluent.
unidentified		I think that was trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it was trash?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		I can't take more right now.
		You'll have to call back.
		Wildcard line, you are on the air, and you're on the panel judging this man in Taipei, Taiwan.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely true.
		Absolutely true.
		Because, you know, I had just a sound thing, a dream that I was the son of man, and I never woke up from the dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		You're still the son of man.
		All right, fine.
		But you give it the ring of truth.
		First time call on a line, you're on the air.
		Taruth or trash?
unidentified		You know, I do believe it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
		Yes, I do.
		I think it's true.
		You now make that.
		All right, thank you.
		It is a Thai vote.
unidentified		The next call will decide it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two people, at least two people out of four, think that's a true story.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		You will cast the deciding vote on the man from Taipei, Taiwan.
unidentified		Brother Bill, I believe it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it's true?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ding, ding, ding, ding.
		I'll be damned.
		I wonder if it really is true.
		We're going to put him back on the line right now and find out whether, in fact, it is true.
		All the way back to Taipei, Taiwan.
		You're back on the air again, sir.
		Actually, they think by three to two, it's a true story.
unidentified		And the reason why they think that it is true is because my English is just as good as my Chinese and every bit as convincing.
		Of course that's not true.
		But I'll tell you what, everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got him, you got him, you got him.
unidentified		Including the part about waking up.
unidentified		The part about waking up from a dream, all of that was true during the period of time when I was learning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, the best lies come from a kernel of truth.
		They're most easily told because, you know, part of it was true.
		So why not just expand on it?
		I must say, sir, you lied with definite class.
unidentified		Thank you very much, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome, and take care.
		All right, now you all have an idea of how truth or trash works.
		So you see, I'm going to be looking for similar stories.
		And as I said earlier, you are welcome to fabricate all you wish or tell the absolute truth.
		It really, it doesn't matter to me.
		So far, though, the juries, the juries are doing very well.
		Now, what does that say about mankind in general?
		Does it say we're really gullible?
		Got a couple of them, though.
		Nailed a couple of them.
		First one.
		Remember that?
		Well, I guess there'll be a sort of a gullibility quotient built as the night goes on.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Don't touch that dot.
unidentified		You are listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
		Can't stay alive without your love.
		Oh, baby, don't leave me this away.
		I can't exist without your limits, your tender fists.
		Don't leave me this way.
		Oh, baby.
		My heart is full of love and desire for you.
		Your eyes tell me how you want me.
		I feel it in your heart, dear.
		I know you like what you feel.
		When you hold me.
		I'll give you all that you need.
		You are listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, baby.
		You're not going to believe this, but remember at the beginning of the program, those that heard the very, of you that heard the very beginning, and I said, Deke Richards in the state of Maine, if you're out there, communicate with me the same way you did the first time, which I'll tell you now was by facts.
		He sent me a three-page fact of an incredible story, and somehow, somehow just now, I've got Deke on the line.
		I never did get his numbers.
		He just got through.
		I didn't get his phone number, his area code, any of that.
		He just got through.
		Deke Richards got through.
		What an incredible story you're about to hear.
		So we'll just let it be the next truth or trash story.
		But I want to let him tell it.
		It is absolutely amazing.
		Stay right where you are.
		Don't touch that dock.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 20th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you figure the odds of Deke managing to get through would be?
		It just has to be about a billion to one.
		Deke Richards is...
unidentified		I'm up here in Northern Maine, up here in the Styx with the deer, the bear, and the loose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You're obviously on a cell phone.
		So somehow you got this through to me earlier in the afternoon today.
		I thought it was an amazing fact.
		Pick the best spot you can for your cell phone, and go ahead and tell your story, Deke.
unidentified		How are we doing?
unidentified		Can you hear me okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		I was stationed in Germany there from 79 to 84.
		Right.
		My first company that I was assigned to was the 29th Supply and Service Company in Baumholder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And they were only authorized by their Tony, one Recker and 163 Whiskey.
		And I was the man.
		And during Reforger of 82, anybody that's ever been in the military knows what Reforger is, it's returned to forces to Germany.
		And during late September, early October, there was a UFO that crashed in the woods up there in the Folda Gap area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Folda Gap area?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where everybody always thought the Russians would come pouring across.
unidentified		Right.
		That was the 1K zone.
		Now, the 29th Supply and Service Company was assigned to run support for the 11th ACR, which is the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment in Vat Hirschfeld.
		Right.
		And anyway, this UFO had crashed about 10 clicks from us.
		It made a very loud racket.
		When it did hit, it hit hard.
		And we were assigned to go out there.
		Now, there was in our sister company, the 85th Maintenance Battalion, which was the 48th Maintenance Company, they had a wrecker as well.
		And we were right there at Station Keep about 10 clicks away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say a wrecker, what do you mean?
unidentified		I'm talking about the five-ton wrecker.
		Anybody that's ever served in the military knows about the five-ton wrecker.
		It recovers just about anything you want to recover with exception of a tank.
		Any wheel, the vehicle, it can recover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but you've got to remember.
unidentified		It's very diversified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but Deke, you've got to remember, not everybody was in the military, so they're listening to a story.
unidentified		Well, this wrecker, this wrecker's got two winches, well, actually, three winches, because it's got a winch for the boom.
		And it's got a 20-ton winch on the back and a 10-ton winch up front.
		But by using extra snatch blocks and extra boom supports, it drastically increases the capacity of that wrecker.
		Yeah, gotcha.
		And the nomenclature, just in case, is an M543A2.
		And so anyway, we had to go out into the woods and we were following the 293rd Combat Engineers were there up there in Bad Hirschfeld as well.
		And they had a cat and we were following them.
		Now, this wrecker is a 6x6 vehicle as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they tell you what you were going out to recover?
unidentified		No, they did not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so at this point, you didn't know.
unidentified		No, they did not.
		We just knew that we were on our way out there to do something.
		Okay.
		And we were under heavy military police escort, and the D8 cat was out there.
		Well, it was a D7.
		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I misspoke.
unidentified		That's all right.
		It was a D7.
		And they were blazing a trail right out through this thing.
		Now, it was a heavily wooded area.
		Now, after, in retrospect, they couldn't use any chompers because it was a heavily wooded area.
		And I might add that the official news release for this was that an F-4 aircraft had crashed.
		Well, let me tell you something.
		When we got to the scene, there was five bodies laying down on the ground.
		They were outside the craft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe the craft first.
unidentified		Okay, the craft was, it looked like stainless steel.
		It was very, very shiny.
		It was very shiny.
		The tip of it was down into the dirt.
		About half of it.
		After we had gotten out, we had realized that half the craft was literally down in the dirt.
		And the back side, of course, was out.
		The left side was ripped open.
		You know, like if you took a can opener and just ripped a can wide open.
		Yes.
		This thing was ripped from one end from stem to stern.
		And there were these tubes hanging out of this thing.
		And it had this green ooze coming out of these, coming out of the tubes.
		And I personally thought, I mean, having a large background in mechanics and everything else, I thought to myself that this must be the engine, the mechanism that drove this craft.
		and the the uh...
		the body were outside the craft probably ten to fifteen feet away needed it looked like the papers I did not see them walk because they were dead when we got there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, describe the bodies.
unidentified		Okay, the bodies were about four and a half to five feet long.
		They were on the ground laying down.
		They had black suits on them.
		Now, on their right part of their chest, they had this weird writing.
		It resembled nothing that I've ever seen.
		I mean, I've seen hieroglyphics and everything else, but it resembled nothing that I've ever seen.
		The writing on these black suits, the writing was in a silver glitter form.
		So they packed up the bodies.
		They didn't waste any time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, wait.
		The bodies.
		Can you remember what the faces looked like?
		I mean, was it like humans?
		Were there noses, mouths, ears?
unidentified		Humanoid.
		They were humanoid.
		Some of them were face down.
		Some of them were face down, you know, like you were walking and then you just plopped right down.
		Yeah.
		And I didn't get a close of an inspection to where I was right down there kneeling to them like picking up a stone.
		I was about four feet from them.
		All right.
		They had gray heads.
		They had gray heads and very, very small ears, about the size of a quarter.
		And so anyway, they packed up the bags or they put the job there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were you there to do?
unidentified		My job was to pick up the wrecker.
		I mean, excuse me.
		I'm very nervous here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Your job was to pick up what?
		The craft?
unidentified		Right.
		my job was to pick up the craft and i had to They didn't want us to use chains or anything.
		It didn't take them long to get a government team there.
		And I mean, the flurry of activity was just incredible.
		I had to get the shovel off my wrecker, get underneath this thing, and dig.
		Now, they had a radiation Crew that came in there with a Geiger counter and was checking for radiation.
		Okay?
		And there was no radiation whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		So they had me and another gentleman that was operating the other wrecker.
unidentified		We had to get underneath this, had to dig underneath the craft so we could put slings underneath there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		Canvas slings.
		And they had to pick up these canvas slings and we had to put them around both boom supports so they could back a flatbed truck underneath it.
		Now we just lifted it up so the oversized flatbed truck could come underneath there and load this thing.
		They tarped it and they waited for darkness to move it out of there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, they waited for who?
unidentified		Darkness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, darkness, of course, yes, all right.
unidentified		Right, they waited for darkness to move this thing out of there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they keep you there the whole time?
unidentified		Yes, they did.
unidentified		We could not move for the whole three days that we were there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three days?
unidentified		Three days, 72 hours.
		Because they had the teams that had to come in and everything else.
		They were feeding us right off the back end of a deuce and a half, the whole nine yards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many military and or government personnel ultimately were there and had knowledge of this, do you think?
unidentified		I'd say about 50 to 60 people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		50 to 60.
unidentified		Yeah, because they had people there that was picking up the debris field.
		The debris field was incredible.
		I mean, they were told to pick up every little piece, even the size of a cigarette butt, just pick it up.
		They had to sanitize the whole area.
		They had people come in there with blow torches and blow torch, you know, set of fire to roots and everything else.
		And then the engineers came in there and they buried everything.
		And then they took us up to the CERN up there, Bad Hirschveld, and they took us into the barracks under lock and key, I might add.
		And nobody was allowed to leave in the whole barracks.
		Now, 50 to 60 people can fill up a barracks pretty fast.
		Okay, now usually in a company, a barracks has usually 200 people, but we were on the first floor.
		We were in the first and the 13th building there.
		And a Fulbright colonel, which I've never met before, came into the billets.
		And he gave us the greeting and everything.
		And he told us, he said, gentlemen, he said, the events that you have witnessed in the last 72 hours is not to be discussed in any way, shape, fashion, or form.
		And to do so, UCMJ will certainly be involved.
		That is a uniform code of military justice.
		You will wind up 20 to 30 years in Fort Leavenworth.
		And there's no doubt in my mind that you certainly don't want to do that.
		And most of all, nobody on a need-to-know basis is to know this information.
		And believe me, there's nobody out there with a need-to-know basis.
		I have not spoken of this incident until now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Mike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The obvious question now, Deke, is, with such a threat laid down, even that long ago, why are you now speaking out?
unidentified		Well, because of everything that's going on.
unidentified		I'm not in the military anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know, but Deke, what you're describing is a crash probably as significant as the one in Roswell, New Mexico that everybody talks about.
		I mean, every bit as significant.
		I craft dead bodies.
		Any idea, by the way, what happened to the bodies?
unidentified		The bodies, all I know is that the bodies were put in the body bags.
		They were then placed in special boxes that had ice in them.
		And the tops were put on there.
		I mean, they put more ice on top.
		They put the lids onto the boxes.
		Then they loaded them up onto a deuce and a half, and it drove out of here.
		That's all I know about them.
		That's all I know about them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And, you know, 20 years have gone by, but people would say, well, 20 years, you remember this in draft.
		Let me tell you something, Mark.
		You see something like that, you remember it the rest of your days.
		Well, I'm sure.
		The rest of your days, you remember it.
		And, you know, I am not going to stand on this story anymore.
		And I know that there's other people out there that know about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that was where I was going next, Deke.
		i would like to do is ask them he is there it would work again what company were you in on i mean uh...
		which the people that were there that might be out in the audience right now that could verify your story cooperate your story um...
		don't give me names but i mean But what kind of people should we be looking for?
		People who are in what military group?
unidentified		All right.
		Now, I was in the 29th Supply and Service Company in Baumholder.
		Okay.
		The 293rd Combat Engineers, Alpha, Bravo, and Echo companies were up there.
		And the 48th Maintenance Company was up there in Bad Hurstfeld.
		The other wrecker operator, the driver that drove the deuce and a half for the bodies, the driver that drove the flatbed that had the craft on it, and the other soldiers that were there doing a police call.
		And also, I'm sure that the sanitation team, and that was 20 years ago.
		What are they going to do to us now?
		It's like, nan, nan, nan, nan, nana, come up and find me, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and uh, well, I would never say nana nana nana, not the devil.
		But I mean, you may be right.
		I mean, look, 20 years has passed, but still in all, you're telling us that we've had contact, albeit with dead aliens, or maybe dead, for all you know, maybe they weren't dead.
unidentified		Try this one on for Size Art.
unidentified		After this had taken place, they had to pick me in a psycho ward for four weeks because I was having nightmares about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can imagine you would.
unidentified		This was wicked bad.
unidentified		And wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There were three days during all of this, as all of this was going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, you had an opportunity to talk with others.
unidentified		what was their reaction like i mean that this is not like you're walking in on a Now they had set up makeshift tents for us.
		I mean, they had bought in tents, and we just popped them up.
		There was three of us to tents.
		We were on our cots, and we would just sit there and look at each other.
		And just as, I don't believe.
		I won't say what we actually said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, please don't.
unidentified		I can't understand.
		Right, right.
		But we would just stand there and look at each other in just utter shock.
		There was a couple of gentlemen that did go into shock because they saw these things.
		I mean, can you imagine the guys that were picking up the bodies to put them into body bags?
		No.
		Can you imagine that person?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those guys should still be out there, though, and alive, probably.
unidentified		We weren't even playing cards.
		We weren't doing nothing.
		This was incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, now, do you know how it was discerned that this crash even occurred?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, was this seen on radar, or do you not know that aspect of it?
unidentified		Boom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boom.
unidentified		A great, big, huge boom.
		A great, big, huge boom with a concussion wave and everything.
		Knocked out windows and everything.
		I mean, it hit the ground hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, how far were you from the crash site when it crashed?
unidentified		About 10 clicks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About 10 clicks.
unidentified		Yeah, that's about 10 kilometers, which is about 6 miles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty big bang then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So even at 10 miles, it was heard by everybody.
unidentified		Yes, it was a big bang, a thud, and then you heard the concussion.
		And I mean, it was knocking out windows all over the place.
		There was no doubt about it.
		That's how we knew it just happened to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see any of the interior of the craft?
unidentified		The only interior part of the craft that I saw is where the gouge was, where the tubes were.
		And these tubes were like five inches in diameter.
		And we couldn't really, because some of it was still down in the dirt, and you would literally have to be down on the ground and look up inside of it.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the way the tear was, you'd have to be down at ground level looking up.
unidentified		Right.
		You'd literally have to lay down on the ground, put your chest right down on the ground, put your ear down into the dirt and everything else and look up.
		But you could just see these tubes where that gas was.
		The tubes were hanging out with that green ooze coming out of them.
		Now, it wasn't gushing out like a fire hose, right?
		It was jumping out.
		And there was that green stuff all over there.
		And at night, it was luminescent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen to me.
unidentified		It's like glowing in the dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen to me.
		One more time.
		I want you to appeal to the various groups that would be out there and that could email me.
		I'm artbell at mindspring.com.
		That's artbell at mindspring.com.
		I don't want you to go off the line at the break here because I want to get your cell phone number from you.
		All right.
		Are you willing to give it to me?
unidentified		Yeah, I can give it to you off the air, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Off the air.
		That's right.
		Off the air.
		No problem.
		But once again, name the groups that you think would have men that would still be alive that would remember everything you have just talked about.
unidentified		Well, this is E2, and most of the people were young men.
		I'm sure they would be.
		The 29th Supply and Service Company out of bomb holder.
		The 293rd Alpha Bravo Charlie Echo Company out of bomb holder.
		The 48th Maintenance Company out of bomb holder.
		The driver for the deuce and a half.
		The driver for the flatbed truck.
		Anybody that did police call out there that day, look, they're not going to come and get you.
		Just email Art, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		This has got to be told.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if what you're saying is true, and if we get corroboration of it, then it's every big, every bit as big as Roswell in New Mexico, and maybe bigger because it's much more recent.
		All right, I want you to stay right there.
		I'll take you off the air and get your cell phone number.
		All right?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's it for this week, folks.
		Don't forget, tomorrow night, we're going to have a really special event.
		Tomorrow night, the first program ever done with the late Father Malachi Martin is going to be here at normal showtime, 10 o'clock.
		The one I did with Father Malachi Martin regarding exorcism.
		It's something not to be missed tomorrow night.

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