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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours from the island of Guam, the rock, out in the Pacific, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Poland worldwide on the internet.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. And I'm Mark Bell.
		Good morning.
		Well, I've done an awful lot of pretty serious stuff for you this morning.
		And so what we're going to do is take care of business very quickly and get underway right away.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This does not come under the category of airing dirty laundry.
		It comes under the category of telling you the truth, something I'm really big on.
		And I just don't know any other way to do it.
		And I cannot, night after night, sit around in answer to questions like, where's Peter Davenport?
		saying things like, well, he has a standing invitation to come on the program or whatever.
		I just can't do that.
		I'm going to tell you exactly why Peter Davenport is not going to be on the program anymore.
		Peter's been a friend of mine and I hope remains so, but he's been a friend of mine for a lot of years.
		Peter and I have gone down a lot of trails together.
		And so what's going on right now, I'm sorry to see happening, but nevertheless, I think that you should know.
		You may recall back when I left the air, when I retired last, now almost, what, a year ago now.
		And when that occurred, Peter was, I guess, contacted by the network to continue his appearances with Mike because they thought that that was a very important part of the show.
		And Peter Davenport responded with the fact that he wanted to be compensated, paid to come on.
		And I guess maybe here I should stop and I should tell you that as a practice, as an ethical practice, broadcasters don't pay guests.
		We don't pay guests and we never have.
		Guests are exactly that.
		And if they have a book that they've written, then we allow them to plug their book.
		If they have a Washington tax-free organization, as Peter Davenport does, then I always ask you to please support him and send donations to the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.
		And I'm sure if you've listened for any period of time, you know that.
		Well, at any rate, as a general ethical policy, broadcasters do not pay guests.
		Now, Peter was a sort of a sporadic guest.
		You know, as things would occur, UFOs amassing in one place or another, a flap going on, Peter would report on that in a very contemporary way as it was occurring, and that was a very valuable asset to the program.
		There's no question about it.
		I like getting current boom information.
		We all do.
		And so I think he was an incredibly important asset to the program.
		However, during the period that Mike was on, I guess they talked back and forth, and then there were gaps in that communication, and they talked back and forth.
		And the network continued to say they would not pay to have a guest appear.
		And then when I returned, so that goes to answer why you never heard him when Mike was on.
		Then when I returned here on February 5th, I called Peter and said, hey, come on on the show.
		And he said, all right, but this might be my last appearance.
		And I said, why?
		And he said, well, I want to be paid.
		And I said, oh, Peter, we don't do that.
		You know, we don't pay guests.
		Nobody, as far as I know, pays guests.
		Nobody.
		I think if you go on Carson or something like that, you might get a union wage mandatory thing.
		And that's on TV, but on radio, you just don't pay guests.
		And there's a good reason for it.
		Not that Peter would ever do such a thing.
		And I really mean that.
		Peter wouldn't do anything like this.
		But the general ethic comes from the fact that if you pay somebody to come and give you spectacular reports, interesting reports, then obviously getting paid a substantial amount of money, they're going to feel pressure to come up with stuff.
		And as you know, there have been scandals in the past because broadcasters have done things they should not have done.
		They've made up stories, things like that.
		And Peter would never do that.
		But what I'm saying is that's the reason for the general policy that broadcasters don't pay guests.
		So Peter came on with me February 5th and said it might be the last time.
		We talked about it and I explained to him, gosh, Peter, there's no way.
		We just, we don't pay guests.
		And so he came on and we requested donations as we always do for the National UFO Reporting Center in Washington.
		And Peter told me he received about $2,000 and said that was nowhere near enough.
		And so being at a complete impasse, Peter wrote one more request to the network to be paid.
		And the network responded with one last answer, which is up on the website right now under What's New.
		It says regarding Peter Davenport.
		In fact, Brian in Auburn, New York wrote to me before the show, Art, I'm a regular listener to your program, and one of my favorite guests has been Peter Davenport.
		What's going on with this letter from Premier Radio regarding Mr. Davenport.
		I hope you will shed some light on this confusing situation on tonight's show.
		I'll be listening.
		Thanks, Brian, in Auburn, New York.
		So, shedding light is what I am.
		You know, he's not going to be on anymore, and I'm not going to be part of going on there and saying, well, you know, Peter has a standing invitation to appear on the show and not telling you what's really going on.
	I'm just not into that.
	I never have been, and I never will be.
	Having said all of this, Peter is a very good reporter.
	He's a very good friend of mine.
	I'm sorry it's come to this, very sorry that it has come to this impasse.
	You can read the letter for yourself, if you wish, on the website that went back from Premier.
	So when I, you know, I do a five-hour program every night, five hours, and there's no way that I can come on the air and sort of blow you off when I get a call saying, where's Peter?
	I had one last night.
	What's the story on Peter Davenport?
	Why is more of Peter Davenport?
	Well, I said, all right, I'm sorry.
	I'll have something to say about Peter Davenport soon, and I'm just not about to let it go.
	So, except for now, of course, I've got to let it go.
	It's over with, and I'm sorry to say that, but that's the way it is.
	Now, we are going to be looking for somebody else who will, in effect, take Peter Davenport's place, and that's going to be no easy job.
	Not easy shoes to fill, indeed.
	It requires somebody with a telephone, answering machine, website, somebody who would be willing to come on the radio late at night in the middle of the night sometimes.
	What Peter did was not an easy job.
	It was his own decision, of course, to take that job, but it was not an easy job.
	And for anybody else out there who will do it, it will not be an easy job.
	It's kind of like doing this.
	You know, you get messages all the time.
	You're trying to digest and process information all the time.
	And it's no easy cakewalk.
	So we are going to be looking for somebody who will take that job.
	And when we find that person, we'll appeal, as we did with Peter, for you to support them.
	And we will get current reports of what's going out on out there.
	And we'll give out that number.
	Whatever that number turns out to be.
	So we are in the search for somebody.
	If you think you are that somebody, let us know.
	We'll talk about it with you.
	Now, turning to a couple of more pleasant subjects for me.
	We've got two things on our website tonight that are just incredible.
	One is called Ghost Cat.
	And you may think that you've seen pictures of interesting pictures of ghost cats before.
	But you've never seen anything like this.
	This is Kevin York who said it to us.
	And what you'll see in the photograph, I'm tempted really not to describe it to you because you ought to see it.
	It might take you sitting there for a minute and looking at this photograph and discerning really what you're seeing.
	And so you might not immediately see it or understand the significance of the photograph.
	You might think it's just Kevin with his cat, but it's much, much more than that.
	And if you get down and examine the intimate details, though it's a relatively small photograph, you'll get some real surprises.
	And so I kind of don't want to give it away.
	I'd kind of like to let you examine it for yourself.
	It's really neat.
	It is, without a shadow of a doubt, pun intended, the best cat ghost photograph we have ever received.
	That's up on the web right now under What's New.
	In fact, the first three things are relevant to tonight's program.
	Incidentally, next hour, of course, Gordon Michael Scallion is going to be here.
	And that's going to be a big, whenever you get Gordon Michael Scallion on the air, it's a big deal.
	All right.
	The first item you'll find under What's New Right Now is an amazing, amazing thing.
	It's a brand new jet.
	It's a Su-37 Super Flanker, and that's what would be one of the latest models of this Russian jet.
	And you have never in your life seen anything like it.
	It's got pivoting, unique pivoting engines.
	It's an MPEG file.
	In other words, this is moving video.
	You'll hear a Russian speaking in the background.
	Now, this came to us through military sources.
	Keith traced the chain of custody of this MPEG.
	It's a moving video MPEG, so you've got to download it.
	And it definitely came through military sources, and that's all we're going to say on the subject.
	It does things aeronautically that no jet plane in the whole world has ever done and probably ever will do, save this particular aircraft, this Su-37.
	Now, it's almost a two-meg download, I think.
	So it's going to take you a little time to download, but boy, it is well worth it.
	You have never seen anything like this in your life.
	Matter of fact, we did a pretty extensive web search on this.
	Some called it a flanker.
	Folker, I'm not sure.
	It's obviously a test Russian aircraft.
	There have been earlier models of it.
	But this latest model, it will absolutely, it'll just blow your mind.
	Jet aircraft just can't do the kinds of things this aircraft is doing.
	It's a real photograph, and so you make up your own mind about it.
	As, by the way, you do everything on this show.
	When I have guests on the radio, that brings to mind something else I want to say.
	When I have guests on the radio, no matter who they are, I allow, it is my policy, my way of doing radio, that I allow my guests to say whatever it is they want to say.
	I allow them to develop their story.
	And if their story is wild, if their story is wild and woolly, well, I just, I don't sit here and browbeat them about it on the air, and I'm never going to.
	It's not the way I do radio.
	I assume that all of you out there are adults.
	And I guess I sort of meet you eye to eye level.
	And I assume you're adults.
	And you can sit there and say, that guy is full of you know what.
	Or, you know what?
	That's outlandish, but it's interesting information and I buy it.
	Or it's interesting information and I don't buy it.
	Or it's entertaining and I don't buy it.
	Or I hate it and I'm turning this off.
	You can do whatever you want.
	When I allow guests, what I do is I feed them enough rope.
	And if they're really good guests, then they really take the rope for a ride.
	If they're a really bad guest, then the rope takes them for a ride, if you follow me.
	And you know the old saying, right?
	So that's the way I do things.
	I just, it's not a confrontational, it's not meant to be a confrontational kind of program.
	We have it occasionally, but I try and steer away from it.
	Sometimes debates are fun.
	But, you know, for the most part, I like to have a guest on and allow him or her to unwind their own story in a natural kind of way and let you be the judges of what you think is cool and what you think is BS, frankly.
	So I always, every now and then I want to repeat that so that you all know the way I do things and always have and always will till the moment they yank me out of here.
	And you never know when that's going to be.
	I want to repeat briefly a story that I read last night that I think is incredible.
	It's true and it says a lot.
	And I think yesterday I did not perhaps get to it until the second hour.
	But Vice President Dick Cheney was taken aback the other day by the first question posed by a caller to Diane Rim's National Talk Radio Show.
	The caller asked whether the administration, imagine this as a first call, huh?
	The caller asked whether the administration has a policy on UFOs.
	Raising an eyebrow, Cheney no doubt made that caller's day by replying that if he had attended such a meeting, it would be classified and therefore he'd be unable to discuss it.
	And quote, can you imagine?
unidentified		Can you imagine that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The vice president could have said, no, I don't know anything about UFOs.
		He didn't say that.
		He could have said, I've never been to any such meeting.
		He didn't say that either.
		What he said was, if I had been to such a meeting, clearly implying, well, maybe I have, I wouldn't be able to discuss it because it would be classified.
		Now, there's a little bit of a head shaker there, wouldn't you say?
		I've got so much more.
		So little time.
		A group of scientists is seeking now a standardized protocol for dealing with the possibility of an asteroid or comet striking Earth, saying that humans can do more than the dinosaurs ever could before a colossal impact precipitated their extinction 65 million years ago.
		Yeah, I bet.
		So they want a protocol for doomsday.
		Doomsday protocol.
		And then this.
		You'll love this.
		An 18-month-old baby in Malaysia was blown hundreds of yards through the air while in his cradle when a freak windstorm hit the region.
		The toddler was sleeping in a traditional cloth cradle suspended from the roof beam of his home in the eastern Malaysian state of Sabah when the storm hit.
		The winds ripped the roof off the home, carrying baby, cradle, and all through the air.
		The baby was found unconscious in a nearby tree and taken to the hospital, but reportedly did not receive any serious injury.
unidentified		We'll rock the bad baby in the treetop.
		When the wind blows, the red will rise.
		You know I couldn't resist this, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This song will get in your brain, and when the wind blows, it will haunt you like a ghost will haunt you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This song will haunt you.
unidentified		Jack be nimble, Jack be quick.
		Jack jumps over the candlestick.
		He jumps so high up above.
		He landed in the cradle of leather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we're going to dedicate this to this 18-month-old baby in Malaysia.
		Now safe and sound.
		after going flying.
unidentified		When the windows of red will rock, the rocks are high, baby, in the tree top.
		When the wind blows, I did a little bit of a little cow jumped over the moon.
		And on her way down, she met a turtle dove that go rocking in the cradle of love.
		Well, rock, goodbye, baby.
		In the tree top when the wind blows.
		Rock, goodbye, baby.
		In the tree top.
		When the wind blows.
		Jack and you went up the hill to get a pill.
		How did you let me know?
		Everything's alright.
		What's your feeling?
		I'm high on the refinery.
		That's your risk of me.
		Rip that sweet up candy.
		It takes on my mind.
		Girl, you got me thirsty for another cup of wine.
		Got a thought from you, girl.
		But I don't need you.
		I think you'll think if I can't be so rude.
		Wanna take a ride?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't this the ninth version of this song?
unidentified		All the good lords are going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell, and there are three very, very important things for you to see on the website tonight.
		And they're all one, two, three in a row.
		So if you go to my website, www.artbell.com, you'll see in the order I'm now reading, just click on what's new, you know, on the left in the yellow, what's new.
		And the first thing you're going to see is amazing Russian aircraft video.
		Now, I warn you, it's a couple megs.
		It's an MPEG file, moving video.
		And the speech you're going to hear is going to be Russian.
		So don't pay any attention to that.
		This came through military channels.
		They're going to come and they're going to take me away one day.
		Anyway, it really did come through military channels to me.
		Why, I don't know, but, you know, listeners.
		And you have never in your life seen a jet aircraft do what this thing is doing.
		It's unbelievable.
		Believe me.
		The second item down is called Ghost Cat, and it's the best ghost cat photograph I have ever seen in my entire life.
		And I'm not going to explain it to you because I want you to sit there and stare at it for yourself.
		And first you'll think, well, just a picture of a cat, a guy's lap, right?
		It's the best I've ever seen.
		And the third item, of course, is with regard to Peter Davenport and the final communication there.
		So that about does it.
		We're going to go to open lines here in just a moment.
		If you will fasten your seat belt and stay right where you are.
		All right, to the land of open lines we go.
		On the first time, Color Line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Morning, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right, sir.
unidentified		This is Bob from Monterey County.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		I was listening to your program the other night, and you had talked about the fog that was over Las Vegas and such.
unidentified		Haze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yellow Mongolian haze.
unidentified		Actually, I was in Prim earlier this weekend, and I was up on the 15th floor, and I saw that haze.
unidentified		And I just wondered if you thought maybe it was related to I've seen a lot more earthquake activity in California and if any of that was possibly pushing its way over to you guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The haze has been here for days.
		I've been talking about it for days now.
		It's terrible.
		It's choking.
		It makes your eyes water.
		And they say it's from Mongolia.
		I called the Desert Information Center and they said, yeah, it's from Mongolia brought over by the jet stream.
		Now, you know what I thought about?
		I thought, if you could carry God knows how many tons of yellow dust from the Mongolian desert all the way across and dump it on the western U.S., then what the hell do you need ICBMs for?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wonder if that occurred to anybody else.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		No, as soon as you said that, that made sense.
		And then seeing that Russian jet tonight, that doesn't help matters either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen it?
unidentified		Yeah, I watched the, uh...
unidentified		No, we have the air show here in Salinas every year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And so they have a lot of the latest jets there, and I've never seen a jet be able to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of spooky.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spooky, all right.
unidentified		We don't need the Chinese to get a hold of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, but the way things are going, they probably had it a year and a half ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, but I just, it was the most amazing jet video I've ever seen in my whole life.
unidentified		Yeah, very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate your call, sir.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mongolian dust, Mongolian dust delivered by the jet stream and dumped right on us just like You don't suppose the jet stream could be manipulated in some way by something like with initials that start with an H. That could never happen.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Yeah, hello.
		Yes, hello.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shall we dance?
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		How are you doing?
		I'm doing all right.
		Listen, I wanted to say I love the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
unidentified		I think it is awesome.
		You are a very, very good host for the show.
		I listen to you pretty much every night.
		I try and get in at least a couple hours of the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
		The reason the show is such a big success, and it is, I think, is because it deals with stuff that nobody else does, period.
		That's it.
unidentified		And I want to also congratulate your internet staff because I do listen to you on the internet through your website.
unidentified		Unfortunately, I don't have the show carried in my area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are going to have, oh, thank you for reminding me about internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to be making changes in some of the streaming stuff in the next month or so that I think you're going to like.
unidentified		Well, that's good because anything you can do to better your website and your streaming audio would be great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Also, we got confirmation.
		Thank you very much.
		We got confirmation.
		Gosh, all kinds of things to tell you that we're going up on C-band.
		We have reached an agreement with a C-band provider.
		And so probably within two weeks, we're going to have a clear feed up on C-band, probably Telstar 5, actually, that you all can listen to.
		We've been working really, really hard on that.
unidentified		So there you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then there was something else I wanted to tell you about the Internet, too.
		And now I got all excited about that and forgot what it was.
		So many things going on with respect to the Internet.
unidentified		Damn it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it'll come to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		How you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing.
unidentified		I wanted to, I had a question about last night's show that I couldn't get through.
		All right.
		You were talking about cloning.
		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off all the way if you would, please.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Sorry about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's awkward.
		Always turn off thy radio.
		Yes, I was talking about cloning last night.
		Oh, and I played my cloning song last night.
unidentified		Which I loved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you really like that?
unidentified		I really loved it.
unidentified		I'm a big fan of Weird Al anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never knew he did such a thing, did you?
unidentified		I hadn't heard it before, no.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is it.
unidentified		Isn't it strange?
		Feels like I'm looking in the mirror.
		What would people say?
		If only they knew that I wasn't part of something that is displayed.
		Born to be a carbon copy man.
		They're in a sea created wakeless night.
		They took a donor's body spelling fertilized a human in.
		So I say, I think I'm a clone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, that's all play, but that's a pretty good song, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like it.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I had a simple question.
		If they are successful in cloning a human being, what's going to stop them from beginning genetic manipulation then?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a thing.
unidentified		And creating super soldiers and super terrorists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, they'll probably start genetic.
		Well, I better not open my big mouth because they may have already cloned for all I know.
		But I think genetic manipulation is next in line.
unidentified		And I mean, from that, that's going to come the super soldier and the super terrorist.
unidentified		And where's that going to leave the common person from that point?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In super...
		Super dung.
		That's where we're going to be left.
		In other words, there's going to be super this and super that, as you point out.
		And what's the average guy going to be anymore?
unidentified		A slave caste.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, probably a slave, that's right.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will not be a slave to a clone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about you?
unidentified		No.
		No way, no how.
		I worked too hard in my life.
		Yeah.
		Live free or go underground, one of the two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Underground before death.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
unidentified		Thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you correct.
		Oh, boy.
		It will happen.
		The human race, of course, is going to be challenged by, eventually, something biologic, or perhaps, more likely, a machine.
		Or, God help us, a combination thereof.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Oh, not until you push a button.
		There, now I think you're on the air.
		West of the Rockies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Ernest.
		Bill from Yalto.
		Hi, Bill.
		What would you like to know about the Su-Coi 37?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to know how the hell it does what it does.
unidentified		Okay, what it has is a vertically vectored Saturn engine.
		From the engine back, it's a standard Saturn engine that they use in the entire Su-27 series.
		And it's jointed through a series of segmented sections being turned by six equidistant hydraulic pistons run through a flight rules computer and coupled with a canard system up front.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you say that three times fast?
		Not a chance.
		Not a chance.
		It's absolutely astounding.
		I take it then the SU-37 is the latest and greatest, huh?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
		Well, they got one still that's flying at Kabinka at their test center.
		It's a forward-swept version.
		Unbelievable.
		You should see the missiles they have on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know.
		I want to see it.
		Anyway, it's an awesome, totally awesome aircraft.
unidentified		Totally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I appreciate it.
		Thank you, and thank you for reciting that, which I would never really have you do even twice.
		It's amazing.
		You've got to see that video.
		You can download it.
		It's roughly about two megs, so it'll take you a while if you're on a dial-up.
		But it's worth it, and you'll put this one away in your safe forever file and show to all your friends.
		It's just astounding.
		You won't get the Russian.
		You'll hear the Russian, but obviously unless you speak it, you're not going to get it.
		But it doesn't matter.
		In this case, moving videos worth 10,000 words.
		So again, that's up there right now, along with the ghost cat photograph, which I'm in love with.
		I'm just in love with that photograph and the information regarding Peter Davenport.
		All of that on the website right now at www.artbell.com.
		Again, on the left-hand side, what's new, and you will see all the items pop up.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I am listening to you on 710 KC Moon, Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Hey, I had an idea for a guest.
		Okay.
		Have you ever heard of the magazine Backwoods Home?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Backwoods Home?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
unidentified		It's pretty interesting.
unidentified		They have several different articles about, you know, libertarianism and basically self-reliance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm into that.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Their publisher is named Dave Duffy.
		And they have a senior editor named John Earl Silvera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And they've been having a series of interesting articles on the coming dictatorship in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dictatorship.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		It's pretty interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope we don't get a dictatorship.
		There are claims that we've been close to it a number of times.
		There have been claims, I remember, rumors that Dick Nixon was going to, you know, call off the elections, that various presidents were going to call off the elections.
		So far, though, the good old Constitution has held up.
unidentified		That's true.
		Well, Franklin Delano Roosevelt came awful close.
		He did a lot of things with executive orders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you know, in wartime, with an officially declared war, the president does have a lot of powers that he would not have in normal times.
unidentified		Well, apparently what he did was before the war.
		And apparently he had more executive orders than anyone ever.
		And it started way before the war.
		So I thought it was kind of interesting.
		But I thought you might be interested, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I'll take a look for it.
		No doubt it has a presence on the web, so I'll check it out.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, absolutely.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll check it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
unidentified		You have a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, good.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		David from Vancouver.
unidentified		Yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Hello, David.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And I just got Scallion coming up talking about this 2012 thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, his major topic tonight, I think, is going to be brace yourself.
unidentified		Yeah, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pole shift.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Oh, neat.
		Okay.
		Because I had Punnett this vision I had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A vision?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		A vision in a meditation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was your vision?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was your vision?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was meditating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Think about it.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I just relaxed.
unidentified		And I was relaxing.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I was meditating on this sort of this lake I would go visit in my meditation, sort of a visualization thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And this one day, I took a path that led to this sort of marble Greek-style patio off to the side.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And there's this guy, traditional old guy with a beard and robe, and he's gesturing to me to look at this.
unidentified		And it's got this big granite globe.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's about three feet in diameter or something.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And it's sitting on a like stone kind of rib going around like the planet Earth does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rotating.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Rotating.
		And then I'm watching this, and it says this, like, a gyroscope on your table that you bump hard.
		It goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it begins to wobble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A big wobble.
unidentified		Yeah.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		A big, fast wobble, like it's the pole almost go horizontal for, you know, from one side to the other.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		But then it writes itself fine after a bit of a wobble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, but if you're trying to say that that was a depiction of what's going to happen to the earth, then by the time that thing righted itself, as in the earth writing itself, it would have thrown all of us off like so many fleas, like so many fleas off.
		Like so many fleas off the back of a dog.
		Oh, no, sir.
		Believe me.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We don't feel the earth going around at 500 miles an hour right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's even rotation on an axis is very important to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if it began to go like you just described, a believer.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I just want to throw this in.
		And then the being, or whoever this intelligence was, conveys to me sort of telepathically, you didn't see his mouth move, but he says, in your lifetime.
		And I was 45.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said, excuse me, in your lifetime?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		He says, in your lifetime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In your lifetime.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, I was wondering, like...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on a minute.
		It's going to freak you out when you hear tonight how close what you just said is to what Gordon Michael Scallion thinks is coming.
		I'm afraid that you're not going to receive this news very well, but go ahead.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I was just thinking, well, okay.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, I sure wouldn't want to be in a tall building near the coast, for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		If you were underground, or, I mean, would a cow standing in the high plateau, would it fall down?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just have bad weather.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Bad weather, if we didn't lose our atmosphere, we'd be okay.
		Sir?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If that, what you just described actually happened to the Earth, all of the continents would be shaken around like what do you think what happens when continents get shaken around?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, lots of earthquakes.
		Lots of earthquakes.
		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Originally, you see, originally, sir, if you look at it, the continents fit into each other.
		They actually fit together very well.
		You can fit them together, and you can see that at one time they were one large landmass.
		And something you're describing could make them one large landmass again.
		Or any other order of misaction.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Ken Casey was saying that the Pacific Northwest would be tropical, and Edmonton was going to be the capital of North America.
		No, that was deep in the Casey stuff, that's that stuff.
		So it kind of, I don't know, I would think that there'd be life after such a thing.
		And certainly the cockroaches and rats would make it.
		I mean, you've got to go for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a bright spot.
		Yeah, the cockroaches would make it.
		They say that cockroaches would survive even a full exchange nuclear war.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, a couple of add-in stuff in with the change in consciousness, blah, blah, blah, shift, aliens, help.
		Who knows What, you know, whatever your imagination can contrive is probably what's going to happen.
		Whatever everybody's imagination contrives is probably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, either that or there's one other possibility, and that is that we all have control, maybe, of what's going to happen.
		I did a lot of unique experiments using mass mines, creating rain.
		We actually had success.
		I haven't done it since, but I also have not forgotten it.
		And so I'm not adverse to the concept that maybe if something awful is coming, and it might be, that all of us collectively might be able to prevent it.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Pull it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or in some way, lessen the effects of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ever think about that?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That's wonderful.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That's really positive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either that or it's a complete BS.
		Either that or it's a complete BS and we're going to die.
		I really don't know, but it would be worth a try, wouldn't it?
		I'm Arthell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed one of our nation's greatest intuitives, if not the greatest, is coming up in a moment.
		Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Most of you, almost all of you, I would imagine, really know Gordon Michael Scallion.
		A few will not.
		We're on a lot of new affiliates out there.
		So I'll give you a sort of a brief Gordon Michael Scallion 101, then he can correct it.
		I'm going to do it from memory.
		And we'll have his bio and we'll take off.
		But basically, consider the following show to be entitled ominously Pole Shift.
unidentified		That's P-O-L-E, O, shift, coming right up.
unidentified		Square
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pole Shift.
		Gordon Michael Scallion is a futurist.
		He's editor of a monthly newsletter, Intuitive Flash.
		He is author of the best-selling book, Notes from the Cosmos, A Futurist's Insights into the World of Dream, Prophecy, and Intuition.
		Gordon educated in electronics, experienced a health crisis in 1979, which led him on a path of self-discovery, and the ability to assess higher states of consciousness.
		His insights and ability to forecast changes in Earth's environment and social trends have been featured on NBC, CNBC, Fox Television, Unsolved Mysteries, The Discovery Channel, The Learning Channel, My Program, as well as online print publications all around the world.
		He is a teacher of consciousness studies and metaphysics and author of The Future Map of the World 2012, a graphic representation of his global prophecies on earth changes.
		He's extremely well respected.
		You may recall our last interview, my last interview with Gordon two years ago.
		He made the prediction that the sunspot count will break all records during the current solar cycle 23.
		The previous record has been approximately 150.
		He said I see 2 to 300 and higher during this cycle.
		On April 2nd, the sunspot count exceeded 350, in fact.
		Mr. Scallion's published predictions for 2001 call for a collapse of many dot-com companies.
		Remember, a major decline in U.S. markets, a recession, a rise in the price of gold to happen yet, the eruption of volcanoes causing long winters and very short springs, especially in North America, and finally, we will talk about it tonight, the beginning of a coal shift.
		Now, briefly so that Gordon doesn't have to go through it again, he did have a health crisis referred to in the bio here in 1979.
		He was going to speak in front of a group of high-powered businessmen.
		It was a very important presentation for him to give.
		And he got up on stage, and suddenly he couldn't say a word.
		His voice was simply gone.
		I mean, gone.
		Along, obviously, with the presentation.
		They called an ambulance.
		They took him to the hospital.
		They did every conceivable test you can imagine, including psychological tests.
		While in the hospital, he began to have visions and see geometric forms in various colors, eventually culminating in visions which appear to be all too true.
		He sees them as, if you can imagine, three television screens in front of you.
		This is all from my memory, so I'm probably getting a little bit of it wrong, but basically, the visions are about possible futures for all of us.
		The brighter the picture, the more probable the future.
		And if you get one eventually that is in full-blown color and in great detail, then you have an almost absolutely positive future you're looking at.
		And so in that way, and in some other ways, he gauges the probability of this particular vision becoming true.
		As with all predictive things, timelines are always very, very difficult.
		And people will ask, well, how come some of the stuff you said about earthquakes in Southern California hasn't happened yet?
		Well, because it hasn't happened yet.
		Doesn't mean it won't.
		But whether it's remote viewing or the kind of intuitive prediction that Gordon Michael Scallion does, because it has not happened yet, doesn't mean it won't.
		Now, in that brief description of Scallion 101, Gordon, welcome back to the show, first of all.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Good to be back, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did I miss?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
		It was a flashback back to the hospital.
		That's how accurate it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so there you are.
		I mean, that's how these visions come to you, and they have been for all these years now as much a burden as a blessing.
		I'm sure.
		A lot of times I remember you've told me after shows you're just absolutely, well, in fact, hardly able to do shows at times.
		You've taken months off at a time, haven't you, and just said, no more, I'm out of here, and go to your country home.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've, I mean, I try to at least once a year get together with you, and sometimes if things aren't too intense, you know, twice a year.
		This is an important time to be on your show.
		I know it's been a long lapse since our last show, but several things have come to me since that last show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And some of that's my doing, I'm afraid.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, the things I'm seeing are in bright technicolor now.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That has not been there for some 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the Native Americans are saying the same thing.
		They're contacting me, which they never do, Gordon.
		Native Americans hardly ever contact me to come on the program.
		They just don't do it.
		And I've been getting this mass of contacts lately saying it's urgent that we get on your program.
		So obviously there's something to be told that's out there.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We're close to changes that are going to be challenging and difficult.
		And in another sense, they're going to be dynamic and as a blessing.
		Many positive things are going to come out of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think the world has probably been through many changes like the one we're headed toward right now, hasn't it?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You know, as a technical person, you know, like yourself, you know, with a scientific background, you tend to chart things.
		You look for things that are repetitive, things that cycles that you can follow.
		Sure.
		Just like electronics is based on cycles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		So I believe in cycles.
		One of the cycles that we're all too aware of right now is the current number 23 sunspot cycle.
		You know, we can, you know, and we have something this time we've never had before.
		We have some dynamic satellites parked photographing and observing everything that's going on now.
		So while we've been recording sunspots for centuries, we can now watch them in real time and we can also measure the effect on the Earth, which we have not been able to do before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Josh Gordon, I've lived, as you have, through a few of these cycles now and paid a lot of attention to them.
		We're both ham operators, and so we do.
		And I have never, ever seen a cycle like this.
		Coming up to the supposed peak, it was meek.
		And then the sun did a polarity flip, and all hell broke loose.
		I've never seen these mega flares, the one we had, I had, I didn't, I don't think I told you this, Gordon, or maybe I did, but the night we had this mega flare, the first one, I called somebody who watches the sun every day at the Big Bear Solar Observatory.
		He's the guy at the telescope.
		And he said, we're registering this as an X20, but our equipment is saturated, and I personally believe it's probably at least an X22 or 23.
		That's gigantic.
		That's frightening.
		If that had been two days earlier and aimed at the Earth, oh my.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, we remember what happened in 1989 when we had a storm that did not even approach that intensity level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not even close.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And what happened to Canada?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Grid went down.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We lost a grid, and I'm not too far from there where I live here in New England, and we had crews from here living up there for over a month trying to restore power.
		So we're not talking about power that went out for a weekend.
		There were communities up there, measured in the hundreds of thousands, that were without power in the winter for a period of almost a month.
		In some cases, it was longer.
		That's a long time to be without vital power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		In fact, a couple of the recent flares have disabled some transponders on television satellites that we've got in geosynchronous orbit.
		One telecommunication satellite has been damaged.
		I don't know that people really know this, but it's happening.
		And this is, we're sort of just on the bare outskirts of the effect of this because it was pointed away from us, Thank God by two days.
		Now, all of these spots, of course, are going to either get bigger or smaller and come back around again.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The cycle is approximately 11 years, and as we know, it varies somewhat.
		And that cycle in February had counts of 80.
		Now, we're spiking over 300.
		And I don't think it's over.
		I think we're going to find there's going to be even larger ones coming.
		So I don't think that this was like a last hurrah peak that just fired up here.
		I think there are more coming, but the fact that it's not pointed at Earth does not mean that its effects are not inducing something into the Earth itself.
		That's the part that I've been seeing clear visions on of what's going on there.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is then, what is happening to our Earth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how is it that a flare, which is gigantic, yes, but somewhat off in a different direction, has a large effect on Earth, larger than we've already seen that is?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, when flares occur, if they're pointed at Earth, our concerns always are electronics.
		We have the capacity now to turn some of the satellites away.
		A lot of them are powered, so we can protect some of them.
		But you can imagine if we had a direct hit, what it would do to our communications network and thus our economy.
		So we're now in a stage where a good portion of our economy is dependent upon stable communication circuits.
		We lose those, and we're going to see an even greater decline, especially with our economy in the state it's in now.
		You know, we're really at a stress point.
		What else is happening?
unidentified		Oh, we just lost him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We just lost Gordon.
		I have no idea.
		I could hear a number of clicks.
		I'm sure the rest of you were hearing those clicks as well.
		And we just suddenly lost Gordon.
		Now, I have no idea why that's happening.
		We'll try and get him back.
		Isn't this interesting?
		Okay.
		We'll try and get him back.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That's all we can do.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And we were calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm sure it's late where I'm.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi, Gordon.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We just lost the circuit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard a number of clicks during our conversation, and then at the end, one big one, and boom, you were gone.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it slowly faded away.
		It was really bizarre.
		Nothing I can register at this end.
		I just heard your voice just slowly fade away.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, I've got you back.
		And so we were talking about, first of all, in the center of our Earth, there's a big argument, is it a giant mass of iron?
		I think a lot of scientists believe it's just a big iron ball in there with all the pressure and everything.
		You don't believe that, though, do you?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		I don't believe that the...
		The way that I kind of see it, in a visual sense, is that the Earth is kind of a mirror of the Sun at a different cycle, a different period of time, if you will.
		Where, you know, whatever we find on the Sun, we're going to find on the Earth, obviously much, much different.
		So I see this plasma in the center, and then I see from the center of the core different levels.
		In fact, I see the exact same number of levels as we have in the atmosphere.
		So I see there's a total of seven that I see counting from the Earth to space, for example, and I see the same thing in the Earth itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, isn't that interesting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A geologic reflection of the setup of our atmosphere.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		As above, so below.
		Yeah.
		And I think that the, you know, currently, there's a lot of misinformation out there, mostly from scientific textbooks.
		I recently was asked to teach some classes for a university on environmental changes.
		And so I was looking through some of the textbooks, and they make statements, you know, that the Earth's magnetic field is created by the solid core of the Earth.
		Well, we don't know that.
		It's a theory.
		But it becomes a fact.
		And there's a lot of those things that, for example, we don't know really how thick the lithosphere is or the crust, the ground we stand on.
		We think it's 40 miles, but we really don't know.
		And we don't really know how many boundaries or layers we have on the Earth.
		We have theories on that.
		We also have theories on how the magnetic field of the Earth is produced, but we really don't know these things.
		We're exploring them.
		I think we're moving closer to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't even really know what magnetism or rather, excuse me, what gravity really is, do we?
		We don't know why.
		We think it's related to mass, but they don't exactly know how to explain it, do they?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, we can replicate it in laboratories.
		We can take magnets, for example, certain types of magnets, and we can create a similar effect.
		And we can get to a zero mass, and we can say, by this observation, it looks like magnetism is somehow involved.
		But we really don't know those things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're theories.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Just like the tectonic plate system, you know, and the fact that the Earth and all the continents at one time were all together in a place called Pangea.
		And then they broke up, and the continents all moved.
		And it looks like puzzles now.
		But if they took all the continents and kind of moved them, they would kind of like go back together, thereby proving that they do, in fact, go together, they go together fairly closely.
		But it's a theory again, it's the current theory, and there were theories before that, and I believe there'll be a theory after this one.
		I do not believe it's it's it's a reality.
		In time, I think we'll see.
		But all of these things takes us down paths where we tend to look at things over millions of years, or changes over millions of years.
		And so from the scientific point of view, we say that Earth changes do not happen quickly.
		They happen over long time periods.
		And yet, we're starting to find out now that indeed there have been events that have happened quickly.
		We know that, for example, about 11,500 years ago or so, that there was some very quick major event that caused cataclysms in the Earth.
		And there was certain things that we know transpired.
		We know that it was mass extinction.
		About 90% of all the species of the planet were gone.
		We know that the mammoths were frozen en mass by the perhaps millions.
		But we don't know for sure what the mechanism was.
		We just know it happened.
		And the word cataclysm does not fit well with science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, does cataclysm also equal evolutionary process?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		I think it's a changing from one, it's a cycle.
		So cataclysm would do that, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big rock or sun radiation kills dinosaurs, whatever you want to believe, followed by the emergence of mankind, that sort of thing.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and the decline of certain species and the birth of new species and new flora.
		You know, we know that animals were very large at some point in our history.
		We could argue when that was, whether it was millions of years ago or tens of thousands of years ago.
		But we knew we had animals, and all of a sudden, these animals that were giants became very small.
		And we also know that somewhere along the line, you know, humankind appeared.
		And we also had theories that the Earth was a certain age, but every five years, ten years or so, we pushed that boundary back.
		And we now say the Earth is older, and we now say that these changes may have happened very quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, very quickly indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, sort of one of those overnight things, right?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		In a 24-hour time period, I think it's very possible things have happened, as they will again.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's part of what we're going to be talking about tonight.
		Hold on, Gordon.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		My guest is Gordon Michael Scallion.
		And we are going to be talking about something that may disturb some of you.
		And if you are disturbed by this kind of intuitive information, some of which could be pretty worrisome depending on how you look at it.
		and there are two ways to look at it, then you may not want to listen.
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		And Gordon, I wanted to ask you about something.
		You mentioned the layers of the earth, and I wonder if we could elaborate, and could you tell me as much as you know about the individual layers of the earth?
		I mean, we all know about the one we're standing on, but everything below that's a big mystery.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We have, scientifically, we have some rough ideas of what lies there.
		We're able to send shock waves into the earth, and we're also able to measure earthquake waves that are produced.
		And by studying these waves, as a wave passes through one density layer, like the crust, for example, right, into the next, they get an indication.
		And so, you know, a picture has been emerging for the past 40 or 50 years.
		It's given us at least the understanding that there are these layers.
		Kind of what I see, in my visions anyways, is that this crust that we walk on, which is called the lithosphere, which appears to be ground, dirt, is in reality it's full of life, full of not only life as an organism, but electricity.
		And as we leave this boundary, we get to the next boundary.
		It's kind of like a good analogy would be is if I took a glass of water and I poured some oil into the glass, we would see a separation because of the densities.
		And this is kind of what the different layers of the Earth are like.
		The crust itself is actually the thinnest part of the whole Earth's diameter.
		It's kind of like the eggshell, and then inside of an egg you have the yolk and all the other materials.
		And so it's the thinner part, it's the part that has solidified, and it kind of floats on another layer.
		This next layer is kind of like, an analogy would be like soapstone.
		And if you could see the crust is kind of like granite.
		This is an analogy here.
		These kind of float on top of each other.
		And in my visions, these layers, these multiple layers, as you go deeper and deeper and deeper, become warmer.
		The Earth itself is cooling very slowly, but it's cooling from a different sense.
		It's cooling more from the atmospheric side than it is from the core side.
		So it's cooling in that fashion.
		The heat that's in the Earth is not cooling because at one time we were a little part of the sun.
		It's heat because of the fact that these boundaries or these layers are what I believe creates magnetism in conjunction with activity from the sun.
		And it's the movement of these.
		It's kind of like a solid state device, if you will, like a transistor or a diode.
		And we have these two polarities that are creating electricity.
		It also creates heat because these layers get stuck often.
		They don't move.
		Scientifically, they tend to think that all of these layers move at the same speed.
		Well, the Sun, if we look at the Sun, we know that the Sun at the equator moves at a different speed than it does at the poles.
		That's right.
		And we were able to observe in real time a pole shift at the Sun, a magnetic pole shift at the Sun.
		And that event was magnificent to watch.
		And we could see what happened.
		So in the Sun, where the North Pole was, it became the South Pole, and vice versa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was about a month ago.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yes, a little more.
		Yes, in that time frame.
		And so here on the Earth, we have a similar situation where I believe that these layers are moving at different speeds.
		And occasionally they get stuck for long time periods.
		And in the process of these layers moving at different speeds, when they do get stuck, we see something as a phenomenon, which is the decline of the magnetic field.
		We see the strength of the magnetic field as measured in a Gauss, right?
		We see it declining.
		And if we look back and we do core samples of the past, looking back hundreds of thousands of years, we see a similar situation that has occurred in the past.
		So one of the scientific tools is you look to the past to study the present and the future.
		And what we see there is that there was a clear indication that the magnetic field in the past would decline to such a point, and then there would be a reversal of the magnetic poles, just like it has on the Sun.
		And that happens, there is also around that same time period, changes in the environment.
		So that particular pole shift is called a magnetic pole shift.
		It's where, if we have a compass now and it's pointing north, if a pole shift occurred, we would have to go 180 degrees or we would be looking in a different direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be pointed south.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The needle would be pointed south.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have a good understanding, Gordon, of what that would mean for us.
		A lot of people say absolutely nothing.
		A lot of people say really something substantial, and I don't know.
		You obviously see, I mean, we've titled tonight's program Pole Shift, so you obviously see a pole shift to coming, right?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I see it, and the new part that I've seen since January of this year, a new element to the constant repeating dreams and visions I've had of magnetic pole shifts, I've had a new element added to it that gave a greater detail of what goes on.
		Magnetic pole shifts, if the pole shifted a small amount, let's say seven degrees, one of my long-standing forecasts was that we would see three separate seven degree westward movements.
		So pole shifts do not necessarily have to be 180 degrees, right?
		The 180 degrees ones are easy to find.
		We can find the measurements by doing core samples, and we can tell by studying them that there was a complete reversal.
		These things could be a partial one.
		They can be 90 degrees, they can be, and they could go 180 and then within a century or two, just drift back.
		But even if it was a small pole shift, let's say of seven degrees, the magnetic field of the Earth, besides affecting animals, which use it for migration routes, so you'd have all that changing, it also affects weather patterns.
		So the biggest change if we had a pole shift would be weather.
		We would see climates changing, we would see jet streams changing, we would see ocean currents changing.
		There would be significant changes, but not necessarily what we would call cataclysmic, you know, such as things that might have occurred in the past.
		That's the magnetic pole shift.
		I now believe that there will be a magnetic pole shift, as I have for over 20 years, but I believe it's going to be as a result of something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And that something else is that I believe that the lithosphere or the crust is going to move relative to the other six layers that are below us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not good.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That would not be good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, they've moved in the past.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		There are theories that they have moved.
		There is a great debate scientifically that that ever occurred.
		There is no scientific proof whatsoever that the Earth, for example, has tumbled in space.
		In other words, the whole planet just flipped.
		There's theories, there's many books written about it with a lot of data related to cataclysms, but we have no scientific proof yet that that ever occurred.
		I personally do not believe it ever has occurred.
		That is much different, however, than a magnetic pole shift or a shift in the crust.
		Shift in the crust, like I said, occurs, I believe, because these get stuck, the layers of movement, the crust of the Earth.
		And when they release themselves, it then seeks a new balance.
		Because, you know, the Earth is spinning on its axis, moving at 1,000 miles an hour.
		It's just like a top.
		and it wants to keep that balance and the momentum.
		If it ever loses its momentum, such as a large buildup of ice at the poles, we throw that, It's very heavy.
		Take a gallon jug of water, and it gives you an example of the weight of water.
		Now think about all of the ice that's at the poles.
		Imagine if that built up too high.
		That then could throw the centrifugal force of the Earth off, and you could have the Earth trying to stabilize or balance itself, just like a gyroscope would try to balance itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, somebody sent me a kind of a toy gyroscope, I don't know, a month ago, and it was filled with water.
		Colored water, actually.
		But when you spinned it, when you would spin it, it just went for a very, very long time, and the water was the weight in the outer ring of the gyroscope.
		It was absolutely fascinating, the way it worked.
		And then it spun toward the center at the end.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And that's a good example, too.
		That's a real good visual aid of motion.
		When you consider that the crust portion, the lithosphere, contains 75% water.
		So we're looking at a huge weight.
		You can imagine that's spinning around.
		So if you alter that at all, in any way, even a degree, that water is going to go trying to seek a new level.
		So one of the concerns that I see, or the biggest concern I see, is the triggering of massive volcanoes and a movement of large bodies of water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of the more difficult things in what you do and what remote viewers do appear to be timelines to know when something is actually going to happen.
		Not so much that it's going to happen, or if, but when.
		And that seems to be the most difficult thing for most intuitives or remote viewers to nail down.
		Is that true with you?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		You can see events that are in the close timeline.
		Let's say events that are going to be in a three-month time period.
		They're much easier.
		Earth-sensitives, of which there are now thousands of them in the world, that write to me on a regular basis, and there's multiple networks of them.
		And as a quake is going to occur, they physically react to a quake or a volcano.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In some way.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And they can kind of tune in and say, you know, within a few days or a week, we're going to have this event.
		So, you know, they're just like a little barometer.
		And that's a close-in timeframe.
		When you look at a long time frame, unless you have a particular vision that shows you a current newspaper, for example, when I predicted Northridge and Kobe and Andrew, I actually saw newspapers.
		And so for me, for me, it was like, you know, a little blessing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a gift.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And it's a rarity.
		Other times, I have to look at things like, do I see a car?
		And does the car have a sticker on it, given the year?
		Or I have to look and see, is it spring or is it winter?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you're seeing something gigantic on a global scale, you're seeing it on a global scale and you're not going to see a newspaper.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I suppose, and most of the things that I see regarding the Earth is always from a perspective of like a satellite in the sky.
		And I don't know why that is, but I do.
		It's like I'm looking, like I'm flying over the Earth, the United States, and I'm looking down and I observe.
		And sometimes I'm totally conscious when this is occurring, and I can sketch out what I'm seeing.
		But it's always from that perspective of out in space looking back or peeling into the center of the earth and seeing what's going on there.
		So it's always as an observer rather than somebody who is time traveled to that particular time and is active and is living in that time frame.
		I'm still at the current time, but I'm observing an event and then trying to figure out when this is going to occur.
		So visionaries and remote viewers who are doing it professionally, usually what they try to do is to establish some Other things like they may see a volcano go off, and they look, and then they'll get another scene or vision, and then they may see an earthquake, and then the third one might show something larger.
		And so they're able to then say, you know, if this volcano goes off, and if this earthquake occurs here, then the following will occur.
		So that's a common pattern.
		You know, even some of the best, I mean, the most studied intuitive was Edgar Casey.
		And he was able to, with better than 90% accuracy, help people with physical ailments because they were present or they at least were alive at that time.
		They didn't have to be in the same space as he was.
		But he was able to say, this is what you have for a disease, and this is what you can have to control it.
		When he then moved out into the world of earth changes and other kinds of prophetic things, then the timeline became fuzzy.
		And he would often come back and say, well, what was supposed to happen in 1933 or 34 or 35 didn't happen because something else changed in the matrix.
		It was a shift in the earth or something else happened, and this will now happen 20 years later.
		So, you know, it's the same problem with the timelines.
		You look at events and you look at the warning signs.
		We're at the point today where we can just look at true real-time events.
		We can say, what is happening in the year 2001 that has not happened for 50 years, 100 years, or 1,000 years, or since our recorded history?
		One of the things we can point to, of course, is the number of earthquakes and the depth of these earthquakes.
		We can also account for the volcanic activity.
		And we can also look at the sun and say, look what's happening at the sun.
		We can go to the next step and we can say, let's look at the magnetic field of the earth.
		We look at all these things, and they're all records off the chart and accelerating.
		So we know that something is going on, and the discussions would be, what and what will the outcome of this be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you briefly, in the hour prior to your coming on, in fact, actually the last caller of the hour prior to your coming on tonight, a caller called up and said he had a vision.
		He had been meditating, and in this vision, he saw a man with a beard or something or another, and there was a globe rotating next to this man, and he took that to be the earth.
		And all of a sudden, the globe, like a, he said, if you imagine a top, a spinning top, and somebody just sort of slamming it, tipping it with their finger so it's going sideways almost, he said, that's what happened to that globe.
		And the man turned to him and said, in your lifetime.
		And that was the vision.
		And I said, you may have some eerie echoes to be hearing here.
		Is that too far from what might happen?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's too far.
		And again, we don't know the timeline.
		My original timeline was that between 1998 and 2002, between that time period, we would see a shifting of the poles magnetically.
		And that the warning signs that we would see beforehand would be three major quakes in California, followed by a breaking up of or a splitting of some of the land masses in Southern California.
		The three quakes occurred.
		The splitting was only 44 miles in the area that I saw it occurring in, so that did not occur.
		We're still in that window.
		Whether it occurs in that window or in the 2012 window, which many remote viewers and sensitivists are now believing.
		They believe that somehow these things have been put off until the year 2012.
		Yeah, it's in with the Mayan calendar.
		I don't know.
		I know that we're in a window, and the hot part of this window is this summer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This summer?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		This summer, I think we're going to see unprecedented earth movements and volcanic activity.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Whether that becomes the trigger for a polar shift now or in the year 2012, I don't know.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is synchronicity, all right?
		I've got a message from Rich in Concord, California, who says, hey, Art, I just saw the northern lights cover the northern sky of the San Francisco Bay Area bright red and shimmering.
		This is not normal.
		It's just after your phone went in.
		Well, actually, I swung around to my computer and brought up my browser and took a look at the northern hemisphere enlarged view of what's going on right now with the northern lights.
		And sure enough, the activity, the rural activity level right now is a great big 10.
		And my guess would be that part, it's not a guess, part of that 10, part of the red, which is the most active zone, is dipping down into the north central part of the U.S. and quite a bit farther south than that.
		So, yes, if you're in Oregon, Washington, any of the northern border states, Canada, you're probably getting quite a show by now.
		And it just so happens we're talking about what the sun is doing and it's putting on a beautiful display for us this evening, particularly those of us to the north.
		So what you're seeing out there right now is as a result of the near brush we had with this gigantic, almost scary sunflare that occurred the other day off the western rim of the sun.
		We are getting an Aurora Borealis right now, certainly in the mid-latitudes.
		So there you are.
		A little bit of synchronicity for what we're talking about right now.
		All right, once again, Dr. Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Hey, how about that one?
		They're seeing Aurora right now all over.
		I don't know if you've had a chance to take a look at where the Aurora is, but boy, it's a big one tonight.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, from my little mini observatory here in New England, there's nothing showing up here.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we don't have the clearest skies tonight, but there's nothing showing up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it seems to be dipping down in the center part of the U.S., but the activity level is 10, the highest it can be.
		And so there's somebody out there getting a real good show tonight.
		Anyway, so the sun is doing that clips, and we were talking about what's coming perhaps this summer.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		There are some things that I'm fairly confident are going to occur, which we would, you know, they're not cataclysmic.
		These are events that will occur such as we, you know, again, I believe in cycles, and I think that the cycle we're in right now is the same cycle we had between 1992 and 1994.
		So if we look at events that happened in the world at that time, I think we're going to see very similar events, perhaps higher in magnitude this time because of the charge that the Earth has received as a result of this current sunspot cycle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's getting charged, all right.
		In fact, Neil in Dennis in Minnesota is saying, just for your information, Northern Lights tonight are the best I've seen in 20 years.
		Listen, you people up north, go take pictures for us and send it to the website, please.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		continue Courtney okay um the um the it's a Before I do that, let me share the vision that I had, because this is the prime reason why I agreed to be here at this time.
		The vision happened, I have a small farm, and during one of the days I was out walking on a road, and the time period was early spring, I think it was last year, last March or April.
		And as I was walking on the road, and I was heading north.
		The road is a north-south road.
		And so I was just walking along, all of a sudden, I started feeling a vision coming on.
		And for me, what happens is I start feeling electrical sensations in my arm and spine.
		And that usually tells me that in about a minute or so, I'm going to lose my vision.
		And so if I'm driving, I pull, get out of the car, or just stop the car.
		Or if I'm walking or any place, I just try to go someplace quiet away from anybody and just be by myself.
		These events don't last long.
		You know, they last maybe a minute or two total, and then it just snaps back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not great for driving, though?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		And so, you know, I stopped, I went over, got off the road, walked into the woods a bit, and then all of a sudden what happens to me is that I start getting immense headaches in the back of my neck where it starts, moves up, slowly up, and then I feel these electrical charges moving up my legs and my spinal column.
		And then the next thing I know is I hear a popping sound, like someone hit a popper.
		And all of a sudden, my eyesight is just like replaced.
		So my inner vision kind of now dominates, and my optical vision is suppressed.
		So I no longer see the woods or where I am.
		I just see whatever is in my inner optical senses.
		In this particular case, the vision I'm seeing is I'm still on that same road.
		I'm in the same road, except now I see blossoms on all the trees.
		And so I know it's summertime.
		So my training is immediately look for signs for time.
		So to the right of me, at about 2 o'clock, again, I'm facing north in this vision too.
		And at about 2 o'clock, I see the sun.
		So that's telling me that it's probably, walking in that direction of that sun, it's probably around 11 o'clock, 11 a.m.
		And the next thing I know is within a matter of seconds, almost like slow motion, the sun goes from about 2 o'clock and crosses in front of me over to about 11 o'clock.
		Very slow, it just moves across and then it stops at that place.
		And so my sense at this time is that am I seeing a timeline indicating that something is going to occur over a period of hours?
		How long would it take?
		But then I realized that the sun was in a different direction than it would set.
		It was going from the east more from the instead of the arc it would take of the summer, of a high summer sun.
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gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It was moving in a different direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you.
		In other words, it would normally traverse a path you would know in the summertime.
		You would know what that path would be, but it was going in a whole new direction, which means the earth moved.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And then I looked at it, and then the next part of the vision is that I saw myself in a car wash.
		And in the car, have you ever been in a car wash when you're sitting in it and like these automatic robot car washes and as the water starts moving and the carriage that surrounds your car starts moving, you get the sensation that your car is moving rather than the device that's washing your car.
		That's right.
		And when it first happened to me, I actually put my brakes on.
		Then I realized how silly that was, that the car is obviously not moving.
		And then the vision snapped back to the 11 o'clock position.
		The car wash went away.
		And then I could see the leaves of the trees, the buds, starting to move.
		And I could hear this high-pitched whistle, and then I could see the trees were really starting to blow.
		I mean, massive wind.
		And then there was a pop sound, and then I was back into my current time period.
		So I interpreted this to tell me that the car wash was just a symbol to kind of tell me that the Earth itself is not going to turn, but that the crust, the lithosphere, is going to slip over the next boundary layer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To us, that would be the Earth moving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's true.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And that's the movement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me be clear.
		Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt, but I want to be really clear.
		The Earth would not be tilting, as I first imagined, but rather the ground beneath our feet, all the ground, would itself be moving, as in the whole continent moving.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		And so, again, the question remains is that it's moving westward in my particular vision.
		So what that tells me is that we will have a new North Pole from our reference point now.
		But the axis would remain the same.
		The axis itself may deviate somewhat, but it's not even much that it's the same.
		But what's happened is that to establish equilibrium, the Earth's crust kind of moves.
		And where it ends up, I'm not sure.
		I saw that movement dimension.
		I saw the time period it took.
		I know it's summer.
		Is it this summer?
		Is it 2012?
		I have no idea.
		I just have a feeling that this summer, regardless of that event, we're going to see great changes geophysically.
		And I have seen images of where those places are going to be this summer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many type precursors do you think that we will see to this?
		I mean, obviously, we all know we're seeing the sun do really weird things right now.
		We're seeing the weather do extremely odd things.
		We're going through changes.
		They're talking.
		You know, they're now talking about, they're measuring another El Niño on the way out in the Pacific.
		So all kinds of strange things are going on.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You know, that doesn't surprise me.
		I mean, the whole El Niño phenomena, of which nobody is really sure what's causing it, I've had a series of visions of what causes it, which I believe is due to a combination of the Chandler wobble or the stability of the Earth.
		We tend to think of the Earth spinning nice and smoothly on its axis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		But actually, there's a series of about six different wobbles.
		One wobble, which astrologers are very aware of, which is the precession of the equinoxes, which means that every 2,100 or so years, we're in a different sign, you know, from Pisces to Aquarius and so forth, because the Earth itself kind of wobbles on its axis in a complete cycle.
		It takes about 26,000 years.
		But there's also other cycles that are shorter, as some of these are down to a matter of about a year and a half, or it can vary a couple months, to six and a half to seven years.
		And it's those closer-in wobbles that I believe are what creates El Ninos.
		And what sustains them, I believe, in part is the interaction between the sun and the earth.
		So I think it's a combination of the sun's activity, earth receiving it, getting charged, and the wobble.
		I believe that's what causes the El Niño.
		And years ago, we predicted that we would see these unprecedented ongoing El Niño that would kind of break the cycles of the patterns.
		And I believe that has occurred and is occurring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that what you saw represents all of the continents in the world, the land masses, would they all shift in the same manner?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Not in the same manner.
		The lithosphere is all attached.
		It's all one piece.
		And where it is faulted is where we see magma rising to the surface.
		Cracks, and I believe these cracks are due to The stresses from the lithosphere's movement.
		I think the lithosphere is constantly moving, but typically very slowly.
		And now it's moving very rapidly, and I think it's getting ready to release itself.
		So you can't move one part of it without affecting the other parts.
		But the effects would be different.
		For example, at the equator, it would be like a compression, and at the poles, it might be an expansion.
		It's like a rubber band.
		It depends on whether it's moving northward or southward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If the movement was as suggested in your vision, what would that probably mean for our continent?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you mentioned big winds, a whistling sound and big winds.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, we would repeat, I believe, the last cycle.
		And I think the last cycle was about 12,000 years ago.
		I think we had a very similar situation back then.
		I think the North Pole back then could be tracked to the Hudson Bay area.
		And now it will, you know, if this continues, we'll find it, we'll have a North Pole in a new place.
		It will affect everything.
		The first thing that seems to happen, based on past geology, is that we have climatic changes.
		And the most serious of the changes is the release of alconism.
		And that's where I see the greatest problem.
		We had a really strange spring.
		I'm here in New England, and I still have snow in the ground.
		I mean, we were a full month of planting season behind.
		And a lot of this was due to volcanic activity that occurred in January, December and January.
		So you can imagine if we have some kind of stress on the crust and we release, you know, a half a dozen volcanoes instead of one or two, those things are going to bring about, you know, great changes.
		And so the thing that I believe that destroyed most of the life 12,000 years ago, the instant freezing of the mastodons, I believe that was due to a crustal displacement.
		I believe that then induced weather brought in Arctic air and snow and moisture.
		Because as the volcanoes fire off, few people realize that 75% of the volcanoes are undersea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		There's one quite active off Oregon at the moment.
		Do you imagine this crustal displacement to be quite a bit lesser than that one?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I have no way of comparing the intensity.
		I believe the winds were the same.
		I think from a point of view of population, we have no way of knowing what the population was at that time.
		I mean, we're still arguing whether we had a civilization that was modern past 5,000 years ago.
		But with populations of 5 billion people, it's obviously going to affect a lot more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way to guess how strong and sustained the winds would be, and why would there be winds?
		What in that process would create winds?
		Any idea?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		As you alter the magnetic field and you alter the position of the land mass relative to, let's say, the current jet streams, you create wind.
		You've got to remember that the Earth is spinning at 1,000 miles an hour.
		It's centrifugally moving.
		And now all of a sudden, you're altering that.
		So the Earth is going to shutter, literally shutter.
		So wherever you were on the Earth, no matter where you were, you would not be able to stand for a period of time, whether it's minutes or seconds, I don't know.
		But once that releases this, and you start releasing steam into the atmosphere because of volcanic activity, you now are pouring billions of cubic tons of moisture into the air, which is then picked up by various winds, trade winds, and you create a suction is the only word I can describe.
		It's like if I put a lot of heat in one area and 500 miles away a lot of cool area, I'm going to have that drawing, which creates our weather pattern.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is what we've seen in the Midwest here recently, a lot of it, too much of it.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And then that, in turn, increases it.
		Now, here in New Hampshire, the highest sustained winds of the United States, maybe the world, I don't know, is at an observatory here at Mount Washington.
		We've had winds here clocking close to 300 miles an hour.
		Not sustained, but they've measured that.
		I think it would be safe to assume that we would see those kind of winds on a global scale, at least until things kind of settle down.
		So it's kind of a thing it rushes down, and it might take a period of 24 to 72 hours before things kind of settle down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we could have 300 mile per hour winds or something in that category for as much as 24 hours or more.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And places that were kind of, let's say, temperate, you know, might change very rapidly in places that, and there would be massive meltoffs because you will have effectively altered the position.
		It's not that the Earth has turned its axis towards the sun, and therefore you're getting a melt-off, but rather you've just moved your landmass.
		So the landmass, an example might be...
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest, one of our nation's most respected intuitives.
		Many, many people follow what he says, and for a very good reason.
		I think I've always said, and I'll say again, from my point of view, this man is the real McCoy.
		We'll get right back to him.
		Once again, from New Hampshire, here's Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Gordon, after a vision of the sort you just had, people will want to know several things immediately, so I'll ask for them.
		One is they're going to want to know what does this mean for me?
		That's just the way people are.
		We've already covered the fact that the crustal plates would be moving, resulting in, at the very least, perhaps up to 300 mile per hour winds for a sustained period of time.
		Obviously, a lot of people are not going to make it through to the other side of that change.
		In the old days, we used to do estimates, I think, of the percent dead in nuclear war.
		Military did that all the time.
		They played those kind of games.
		If you were to apply that same sort of logic to the kind of catastrophic event you're talking about, what kind of figures do you think we'd get?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I really don't know.
		I know one thing, and maybe this is an indirect answer.
		Somebody can figure it out.
		In the past, when we look at ancient civilizations, such as the recent discovery in Alexandria, where they found that the whole city very abruptly went underwater.
		And it was because back then, most of the civilization was on coastal areas.
		And how are we today?
		Where is our civilization based today?
		The majority of our civilization.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In coastal areas.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We're in coastal areas.
		So that anytime we have anything from a hurricane to an offshore quake to anything going on that would change anything, weather-wise or tectonic-wise, the coasts are going to be the hardest hit.
		So they're the most vulnerable.
		I don't know the percentage, but if somebody told me that more than half of our population was on coastal areas, I would say that's probably conservative.
		If there are warning signs, for example, if there was a meltoff, a continuous, I mean, we are having a meltoff right now.
		I mean, we lost so much of our glaciers and Greenland, it's unbelievable.
		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the Antarctic as well.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But if we were watching the water levels coming up, I mean, the first thing we would do as our current civilization is we would try to stop it.
		You know, we would try to build dams.
		If we had the time, we would try to do those things.
		If something happens very quickly, we won't have the time.
		So coastal areas are always at risk.
		We've seen it in the past decade of the damage from hurricanes, weather-related stuff on coastal areas.
		It's been unprecedented.
		So we're going to, you know, Abel's one of the coastal areas are at the highest risk.
		And if something happened abruptly and you moved large bodies of water, then you can't displace that kind of water in the planet without affecting everything on the planet, obviously.
		So, you know, that might be an indirect answer.
		I don't know what the population figures are on the coast, but I would say they are at the greatest risk and very rapidly.
		You know, we're talking here, you know, within hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Profound, I mean, profound risk.
		If it occurred within hours, as you have suggested it might, it would be profound indeed.
		I can't imagine many people living through that on the coast at all.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that there's a lot of books out now and articles about the end of the world.
		We saw a lot of it just before the millennium, where some prophecy was going to predict the end of civilization.
		I don't see the end of civilization at all.
		I see ICS continuing on and continuing on and in fact and emerging as an incredible new civilization.
		But there will be loss and the loss will probably be great, as will the species on the planet be great.
		The loss of complete gene pools of species, both animal and flora, will just go away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you do see the human race coming out the other side.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		And I see more of an agrarian society in the future.
		I see more communities that are bonded together more towards the central in the United States.
		These would be more in the central portions of the states.
		If we were to take a line and we were to say Arizona, for example, that area would be let's just say nothing, the high altitudes of Arizona, like Prescott, for example, which is a mile high, that might be an island.
		And then moving eastward, you would then begin to see more communities.
		So they'd be scattered, but true communities.
		I mean, I've actually seen visions of what they look like and the kind of technology they have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon, this is consistent with your future map, is it not?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That has not changed in the 20 years since I released the first one, or 22 years now since I released my first one.
		I haven't seen any changes.
		I've seen some details that allowed me to be a little more specific, but it still remains the same.
		I've had literally hundreds, if not thousands, of visions related to that.
		So that's where we will end up, and as your previous caller has said, sometime in our lifetimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think that it can be nailed down at least that, if not this summer, then within our lifetimes.
		What would suggest that to you?
		Why wouldn't you imagine that when you were plopped down as you were in this vision, that it wasn't 2,300 summer of?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I've done, I did a series of shows on time travel for different projects and networks.
		And in combination with my own database of different visions I've had, the interesting thing always has been from the very beginning was that I would take, for example, even in a group, I would take groups of, you know,
		my typical group now, I don't do that many seminars anymore, I just don't have the time or the energy anymore, but typically are around 1,000 people or so, and I'll take them all ahead in time, a decade at a time.
		So, you know, we would start at 2,000, and the next time we would look at it would be 2010, 2020.
		And the interesting thing is that once I get up around 2012, I just don't see this thing at all.
		I mean, it's like there's this quiet time period.
		There's nothing really going on.
		You know, where if I was to look at 2004 or 2005, I would see all kinds of technical advances.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like you're hitting a wall?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like time stopped at the end of 2012.
		And without me even expressing that to the audience, when we would go around the audience and we would ask maybe 20 different people to share their experiences, they would say that they would see a lot of things between 2000 and 2010.
		But they would then say from 2012, and they would get stuck there.
		And then they would move ahead to 2020, 30, 40, and then they would start seeing things again.
		So it was almost like it was this quiet time or this healing time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like a discontinuity.
		How bright is this now?
		We were talking earlier about the brighter of the vision.
		You said this was really intense, that intense, huh?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The screens that I saw before, which showed some grays and some color but lessened, those things in January went away.
		And so the map has been pretty solid color for years.
		That has not changed.
		But when I'm above the earth looking back, I always see some kind of changes, looking for timelines, trying to determine a timeline.
		And it's almost as if in the continuum, if you will, that the event is locked in.
		It's kind of locked into a time period.
		And that time period of the full color fidelity showed me four events for the summer.
		And it was very specific for the summer because when I saw this particular vision, I saw the new millennium.
		So it started at the new millennium where I saw the celebration and I could see the fireworks.
		And so I clearly knew it was the new millennium.
		And then I watched the sun and the earth from space make a complete revolution and then make another half a revolution and stop.
		And so I determined that that meant one and a half years from the new millennium.
		That was my timeline, which put me into the summer months of 2001.
		And then I saw these four events that I assume are precursors to something larger, and that something larger, I can't say when that would occur.
		I don't know if it will occur this summer or if it, at least just set the stage so that everybody then says, my God, you know, there is something going on now.
		You know, if they haven't already been saying it with solar flares and everything else, this would do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your book is Notes from the Cosmos.
		And before you came on tonight, I got an email from Stephen Modesto who says, Gordon has fascinated me ever since the first interview in late 97.
		While earth changes have been the focus of many interviews, he did say, I thought you might find fascinating perspectives of his that I've discovered in reading notes from the Cosmos, specifically three chapters relating to Mars, crop circles, and UFOs.
		And I don't think that we've ever talked about any of them, but I most particularly would love to talk to you about crop circles.
		We have really good evidence.
		Linda Moltenhow, a reporter, went to England this last year, and she saw with her very own eyes and videotaped the making of a crop circle, this light that came out, and then almost instant creation of this crop circle.
		So clearly, Some of this crop circle stuff is absolutely legit.
		You have some thoughts on it?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I know, Linda.
		We chatted years ago, not about crop circles, but about cattle mutilation.
		Right.
		And in my book on crop circles, and again, I wrote this in the first edition I wrote in 1988.
		And then I added to that and expanded it, brought it up to date, which is what we have today.
		And that was released in 97, 98.
		And the material kind of covers everything up to the year 2012 of my visions.
		But it also includes other things that go along with these changes I'm seeing.
		And on crop circles, what I described over a decade ago was that it was a stylus that was creating it.
		The stylus was like a red sphere the size of a basketball that would appear and it would hover over these crops and move in rapid fashion, just like just a laser, but a ball.
		And wherever that ball passed, the wheat would depress themselves and spin in a fashion through a magnetic pulse of high, high intensity.
		And so a crop circle would take literally seconds to produce.
		And then the circle would leave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you imagine the mechanism that produces this might be?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I believe, and what I state in my book, is that there are other levels of consciousness.
		We've come here at this time period of history that we are exploring the world of paranormal and ghosts.
		And you've had shows on that and guests on that.
		And that's a very big subject, and we have national shows on that now, and mediums are appearing on talk shows.
		And so there's an interest, and that's just starting.
		That's going to explode.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is exploding.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's actually the new thing that I see expanding.
		And that's just one level of consciousness.
		Now, there's other levels of consciousness that just different vibrations, but we can't see ghosts, or some people can see them, most can't, but they operate in a different level of vibration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I'm noting is that more people are seeing them, Gordon.
		Many more people are seeing them, and other manifestations as well.
		It's all on the increase.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		As the planet begins to change its pulse, all these charges are changing the Earth's actual resonance frequency, if you will.
		It's increasing.
		And as it increases, anything you do in the Earth flows through us.
		So when the Earth gets charged with a solar flare, you can rest assured that each of us is being affected in some fashion.
		We may have headaches, we may see visions, we have electrical things.
		For me, I don't have to look in the sky.
		I can tell exactly when it's hitting because my legs literally just start quivering.
		I have to stand up because if I'm laying down, they'll just start jumping around.
		So I know I'm coupling that energy.
		And anyways, the other levels of consciousness is a level that I call the etheric or etherians is a name that I gave it.
		So it's another level of consciousness where they're able to create in their world a manifestation that occurs in our world, which happens to be a form of magnetism or a highly compressed magnetism.
		It's like an instrument from their realm to our realm.
		And these messages that they're sending are for us to grab our attention first so that we realize that there's more than just ghosts out there.
		And if we study these symbols, it forces us to think of what it is.
		Now, the other flip side of that, of course, is there's the hoaxers.
		And there's a large number of those out there who are trying to replicate these things, which causes confusion in many people.
		They say, oh, that's because one hoaxer did it, therefore none of it's valid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so scientists are able to discern between the two.
		There are molecular changes in real crop circles that aren't there with boards and chains.
		So they are able to discern the difference.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		They are.
		But in the majority of the people, not your audience, who's already aware, or they wouldn't be listening to your show, the majority of the people aren't willing to accept it.
		And so it's a small...
		But it's increasing.
		But I mean, we are seeing it increasing.
		Just as your listeners are increasing in numbers, stations are increasing.
unidentified		Right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's because there is a thirst.
		As one of my subscribers wrote to me and said, he says, I have this thirst that I can never satisfy.
		And I just feel like there's so much more that I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are these crop circles to rip off your book title notes from the cosmos?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		They are.
		They are messages.
		Some of them actually show the dynamics of where they are, mathematically, trying to show where they come from.
		Some of them show, if you study them, you'll see that their positions in the heavens, the earth's position to other bodies.
		And so it's based on a scientific, because when we think of consciousness or even ghosts, we think they're just like us except that they're dead.
		Well, there's other consciousnesses that don't understand language as we know it.
		Their language could be a language of mathematics or color, but not necessarily communications the way that we would expect it to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In any general sense, are you able to say whether you believe crop circles are instructional warnings, simple scribblings, you know, like gang graffiti on a wall, or, you know, in that spectrum?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		What?
		I see the Ethereans, the creators of the crop circles, as intelligences that, I guess the closest thing I could relate to it on earth Would be is if we had masters that came to the earth and tried to teach us about compassion like the Buddha or love like the Christ or any other different masters that are on the earth today, of which there are many, all trying to convey some message that would elevate humanity.
		The Assyrians are like that.
		They are masters, and so their messages are designed to make us aware of them, and therefore the goal for them is that there is no death.
		That consciousness is a stream, that we all continue on.
		We're living in a physical body this time.
		We may be in a physical body in our next incarnation, or we may not.
		We may be in the Ethereum realms or some other realms.
		So they're all designed to teach us about other levels of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then they're instructional?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so far, we're not doing really good at picking up the book and studying because we haven't quite deciphered them.
		Hold on.
		We're already at the top of the hour.
		Gordon, you good to go?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm good to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, stay right there.
		Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Good morning.
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		Another life, another day, don't worry.
		I never thought myself too hollow.
		You have to get too crazy on the hole.
		You take me down, you take myself on the whole.
		I've been home, we could love the light.
		I hope you can find the fight.
		against I'm the baby of the feet.
		I know the light.
		I'm a fool.
		I'll make myself believe that this light will never go.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're getting a show in the heavens tonight.
		Some of the heavens.
		This from Larry, a retired chief petty officer.
		Not a cook, he says.
		Just getting home from work, could not miss the show in the sky.
		It was just fantastic.
		Blue to pink light.
		And the lights were coming in waves across the sky.
		I live 60 miles south of Yellowstone Park and have a great view of the Tetons from my location to give you an idea of where I live.
		So it's putting on a show for us tonight.
		Fairly synchronistic, wouldn't you say?
unidentified		Fairly synchronistic, wouldn't you say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here is Gordon Michael Scallion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Gordon, your book is available pretty much, I guess, worldwide, right?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		All the major booksellers have it.
		And if you can't find it in stock, you can get it through Amazon.com or through our website at matrixinstitute.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we've got a link to Amazon.com where right now for your bookware, they discount everything to the point where I wonder how much longer they're going to be in business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They make it so cheap.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		They're going to do well.
		I forecasted years ago that they were going to make it.
		The distribution would be a problem once they solve that.
		Amazon.com is going to do well and they're good folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they are.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And I recommend them, people, to get my book if they're online.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they need to hang in there with what they're doing price-wise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a really good break for everybody.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then you also have a newsletter, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I want you to plug that.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I have a monthly newsletter called Intuitive Flash.
		And in it, I update three areas, economics, societal trends, and environmental trends.
		So it's research that I found into those areas that just either doesn't appear some places or is confusing.
		and it also updates my forecast.
		Those people who are gonna, A big one, yes, all across Canada.
		Well, I'm going to be the keynote speaker on May 11th in Montreal at the 26th International Institute of Integral Human Sciences.
		And I'll be talking about consciousness and some of the subjects we talked about tonight.
		And I'll be personally autographing books there and also just answering questions for people.
		So I have a whole evening to do that.
		And that information you can get from my website at matrixinstitute.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you don't do that very often.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I try to support two organizations a year.
		I wish I could do more, but doing this kind of work really takes a lot out of you.
		And if you don't learn to pace yourself, you remember what happened two or three years ago with me, and I just used it too much and ended up for months at an end just in vet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to run two things by you that have been happening on my program, both of which I find, aside from the ghosts and so forth, we've had increasing, I can't tell you how many reports I've had of people seeing ghosts.
		But at the same time, Somebody called up and said, You know, those things that I normally see in the corner of my eye, which I call shadow people, in peripheral vision, you see them moving.
		And then pretty soon, Gordon, I started getting thousands of emails, and I mean thousands, from people who said, Not only do I see these beings, but I'm beginning to see them full-on.
		In other words, not in peripheral vision, but absolutely full on.
		And I bet I had now certainly over 5,000 emails, major topic on my program, people seeing entities or something that they, and they've actually done drawings of these various shadow-looking people, creatures, slash, whatever they are.
		I have no idea.
		Then also, concurrently with that, a lot of people calling lately, and this one's really puzzling me, saying, you know what, I've got some vague memories of history.
		It was a very different history.
		In other words, as an example, I remember that Mandela never made it out of jail, that Mandela was actually killed in jail, and he didn't go on to lead a nation, be free and lead a nation.
		Other people with countless other examples of things that almost would seem like they were straight out of some alternate timeline, or as though if there is time travel in our future, there are people coming back and changing things, which result in a changing of our memories, most of them.
		But it seems like a little something is leaking through.
		Both intriguing things to be getting so much email on all of a sudden.
		Kind of fits in?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Fits in.
		It's also what started for me.
		Because after I was in the hospital and started seeing visions, then the next phase, which was like the next six months, I would, out of the corner of my eye, the peripheral vision of my eye, I would see things moving, but I couldn't make out what they were.
		And it took years before I figured out what it was and then was able to address it.
		And then in my seminars and workshops, people would come forward and it's increased.
		You know, it's like what happens is that it's like the hundredth monkey.
		A few people have an experience and it triggers into the collective consciousness this energy level that says, okay, consciousness is now ready to take another little step and then more people have that experience and it builds in strength and then eventually in time the masses get it.
		But it's a slow process in the past that would have taken centuries or millennium.
		However, things are moving so fast now that they literally occur in years or months.
		So out of the corner of your eye, what's going on there is that your inner vision, specifically it's the pituitary gland, begins to secrete and become highly active.
		It's due to electrical charges that are being fed up the spinal fluid column to the base of the brain and then to that section.
		Once that pituitary starts triggering, it activates the pineal gland, which is the inner vision, and it also activates other portions of our brain where the theory is that we only use a small portion of our brain, you know, 10% less, is not true.
		We're actually using a good portion of our brain, but the areas that we're using it in are not measurable the way that we would normally think it's measurable.
		And so what we're seeing out of the periphery eye is the opening up of our consciousness.
		Or it's like the prelude to a kundalini experience or the greater awakening.
		And then dependent upon the individual, what their interest is in, what they may have read, or whatever may have stimulated them, they begin to see those kinds of visions.
		And then slowly but surely, if they're not terrified of it, which most are, they can move it from the periphery to the very center where they're actually watching events out of time.
		Now remember you mentioned earlier about the three visions I see.
		I see three screens.
		That's basically what happens.
		They tune into one of the alternate realities.
		There's an infinite number of alternate realities.
		In my particular case, I just see three.
		Other people may see, you know, more.
		And so they're looking at things, so they may see how something may have occurred, or they may look at the future and see a probable event.
		When events in the matrix get strong enough, then most people see a singular vision.
		So it is now growing, and I can clearly understand why you'd have 5,000 emails, and I'm sure in the future you're going to have that many more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I guess, all right.
		In other words, this is going to increase exponentially toward this event that we've been discussing tonight.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And then after the event, let's say within the next decade, the event occurs, again in most of our lifetimes, but let's just say within the next decade or by 2012, what happens at that time is that the actual pulse of the Earth, the magnetic field of the Earth that has been so low, will now come back and it'll be incredibly strong.
		And it's the strong magnetic field that allowed the people who built the Great Pyramid to do so.
		They did it because they were able to access higher levels of consciousness and had technology back then to do that.
		Different than ours today, but they were able to do it because their brain power, if you will, was stronger.
		Ours will be stronger too.
		So we will be what I call children of the Blu-ray, which basically is a chapter in my book where I talk About what will the civilization be like?
		And what I see is that the color patterns of the earth are going to change somewhat, and that this new race of people will indeed be a telepathic race.
		So, the people who are having the experience now that are listening to the show, right to you, they are the precursors.
		They're the few that begin the process that makes it possible later for the many to accept it.
		This is very scary to a lot of people.
		I've had people in my workshops who said, you know, I would really like to be able to see auras like you do.
		And I would say, okay, come over, come up front.
		You know, there's a thousand people here.
		And I said, let me show you how to do it.
		And I'll do an exercise.
		And the instant they see it, they literally freak out.
		And literally, you know, leave.
		So there has to be a process of preparing for this.
		And that's why it's slow for most people out of the periphery of the eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right now, the people saying these things in most circles, you know, are laughed at or made fun of or, oh, any number of derogatory sort of things.
		But not here.
		And I'm very serious about this.
		The number of that 5,000, that was on the shadow people alone.
		Now I'm getting all this timeline stuff.
		And these people are absolutely serious.
		Some of them breaking down in tears because they thought they were the only ones seeing these things or sensing these things.
		And now all of a sudden they know they're not.
		And so I get some very literate, very important communications, thousands of them, and it means something to me, and it means something's going to happen.
		That's all I know.
		Is it possible, do you think, that timelines could have been tampered with, that some of the memories that these people have are because something has, in fact, changed?
		Is that one possible scenario?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It is a possible scenario from their perspective, which is the important one.
		It's what they are experiencing.
		If someone is living, or I call it interlacing, you're here physically in the world, but you feel detached from it.
		And from a psychological point of view, we would label that.
		We would say that you're either schizophrenic or you've got some issues or you're an introvert.
		We would look for different terms to label how you are.
		But there's so many people who are interlacing with other realities, other time zones.
		And the reason that it happens to them is because most people aren't, there's no really school of intuitive awakening yet.
		I mean, there's people who often seminars, there's tapes, but it's not an accepted thing.
		It's not like you can go to a university and say, okay, here's the things that may be happening to you or will be happening to you, and this is how you prepare.
		So most people are kind of like on their own, unless they happen to find you and hear other people's experiences and learn from that and your various visitors on your show who may share some insights about how it's happening.
		But it's very real for them.
		They're seeing it.
		As far as it being changed, I've experienced what I would call sublevels of consciousness.
		They're kind of like thought forms where you have a lot of people thinking a certain thing and it becomes real in consciousness.
		And so people tune into that and they all start to see this particular event that never gets enough strength to become a reality.
		It's building, but it's not strong enough to happen.
		And then when the timeline hits it, it collapses.
		And all of a sudden, it looks like something's changed.
		Now, are there beings that are changing individual timelines?
		I think it's possible, depending on what they're tuning into.
		That's why you have to be careful of what you're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of being careful of what you're doing, it was a couple of years ago.
		I tried seven really big experiments, Gordon.
		Probably much too an egotistical thing to have tried.
		But there was drought in Texas.
		There was drought in Florida, in the Northwest.
		There were problems in Canada.
		I actually enjoined my audience to try and conduct a mass concentration to bring rain.
		These were in terrible drought areas.
		Unaccountably, every single time, all the times we tried it, Gordon, rain came as if from nowhere.
		In fact, in one case, to such a degree that there were terrible floods.
		And it scared me a little because I didn't understand it.
		I don't understand the mechanism of it.
		I don't even understand if it's really true.
		But I saw it happen.
		My audience saw it happen.
		Those who participated saw it happen.
		And that's all I've got to say about it.
		And I guess the reason I bring that up is to ask if some of these events that lie ahead in our timeline could be manipulated.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		There is always the outcome of reality is a direct relationship to the collective consciousness.
		In other words, each of us and our thoughts, our actions, whether we are consciously aware of our thoughts or actions, all couples into this great computer in the sky, this collective universal mind.
		And whatever that charge is, is what becomes the reality.
		And when we're ready to accept new principles, new ideals, it's because the consciousness has charged it.
		Now, along the way, your experiment, I did something similar back in the early 80s with groups of people, targeted groups of people doing prayer and meditation for events.
		And what I discovered is That we indeed can make changes in selective areas, but there is a price to pay for that.
		In essence, what we're saying is our hearts and our compassion is that we want to make things better for people.
		And so our intent is good.
		We may have our ego in there to some extent feel in power, that we want to realize that we have the power to participate in this.
		But the other side of it is, by playing many gods, this is what we're doing, is what else are we altering?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it scared me.
		It really scared me.
		And I said, who am I to be doing this?
		And there was a bad hurricane headed for the East Coast, and people were emailing me by the thousand saying, let's do another grand experiment.
		Let's head it away from.
		Well, you know, I thought, I don't know what the hell I'm doing.
		And for all I know, I might hold a hurricane offshore long enough for it to build, you know, to God knows what, something really awful and make a mistake.
		I'm no God.
		And so I stopped doing it, and I've been thinking about it ever since.
		But when it comes to the kind of changes that you're talking about, it begins to get tempting if there's something to it all.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Again, it would not take a large percentage of people of this planet to alter certain outcomes.
		Because in essence, what we're doing with our thoughts is we're modifying the elements, earth, air, wind, and fire.
		We're attempting to put those into balance.
		But we have to remember that nature itself is a consciousness.
		And it always seeks balance and harmony.
		And we're the wild card.
		You know, we came in and we started to modify nature.
		We've done it with nuclear explosions underground, above ground.
		We've done it with secret technology of certain electromagnetic waves and other kinds of waves that we probably don't understand because it's secret.
		We've done it with chemicals in the soil and the rivers and the oceans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know about HAARP, right?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, yes, we're doing all kinds of manipulation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mankind has got his hands all over the place.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And those things, you know, we're not at that place where we are true partners with nature to do these kind of things.
		If we were at that place, each of us would be conducting our life in such a fashion as we would not violate nature.
		We wouldn't participate in those things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you all the way.
		Hold on, Gordon.
		So that's why I stopped doing it.
		Now, if Gordon's vision does come true, then hopefully all we can wish for you is it's gentle.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it may be an interesting summer, huh?
		Summer in the city.
		Might not be where you want to be.
		Good morning, Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest.
		We are talking of many things.
		Most importantly, his vision for what may be coming this summer, but many other things as well.
		Included in that list is Mars.
		In a moment.
		Once again, back with Gordon Michael Scallion.
		And actually, just before going back to him, his book is Notes from the Cosmos, A Futurist's Insights into the World of Dream Prophecy and Intuition.
		You're welcome to trans, anyway, go through my website.
		What would be the right word?
		Traverse, I guess, our website.
		Under tonight's guest, and you'll see the book there, and you can just go and buy it if you wish at Amazon.
		But he's also got a newsletter, and I think there's a phone number.
		We talked about the newsletter rather extensively, but forgot to give out the phone number, I think.
		I did forget, I think, there's a phone number to order the newsletter that you put out, right?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		They can between 9 and 5 Eastern Standard Time, Monday through Friday, they can call 603-363-4164.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		4164.
		That's between 9 and 5 Eastern, 603-363-4164.
		And they can order the newsletter there.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Order a newsletter where they can get a trial subscription if they want to kind of try it out for a few months.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty good deal, a trial, huh?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there you are, folks.
		Don't lose that number, 603-363-4164.
		Now, there's been, for a long Time now, a really interesting controversy going on with respect to Mars.
		And scientists have thought, no, there would not, could not possibly be life on Mars.
		Just couldn't possibly be.
		However, Sir Arthur C. Clarke of recent days has been coming out and saying pretty incredible things based on some new things that he's seen on Mars.
		This big glass worm he's been pointing to and some other things that have led him to say he believes there is large life on Mars.
		From Clark, that's really an incredible statement to make.
		Now, he didn't say whether he believes they're there now or were once there.
		All he says is large life on Mars.
		That's really something from Clark.
		And indeed, some of the artifacts we're beginning to see now on Mars are really, really curious.
		And I've never talked with you about Mars at all, as far as I recall, but I'd like to.
		What have you seen about Mars?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Mars was important enough that I included a whole chapter on it in my book.
		Right.
		And it was based on a series of altered state transcripts that I brought through in May of 86.
		May of 86, I brought it through.
		That was the first time that I got great details of it.
		And it happened quite by accident.
		At that time, we were able to do these sessions almost on a weekly basis.
		And we were exploring the subject of life in our solar system.
		That was the subject.
		And the response that came back from a higher state of consciousness that I was in was that in the physical form of any life that we might understand in this solar system, that there was none.
		But that there had been.
		That there had been.
		And that triggered the conductor at that time, who was my wife Cynthia, to immediately change all of her questions that she had prepared in the entirely different area that she was going in.
		And she just put those aside and felt it was really important.
		Her intuition was saying, follow this up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And she says, be specific about Mars.
		And the response that came back was that at one time, before humankind was on Earth, there was two thriving civilizations on Mars.
		One was an aquatic life form that were more reptilian, if you will.
		And the other was more of a humanite form, but we would say they would be giants, 9 feet, 11 feet tall.
		And the aquatic people were kind of a hybrid between those people.
		So it's like two levels emerged.
		On our planet here, we might say we had whales and cestaceans were here before us, and then we came in, so we had different life forms.
		So there was basically two that was on Mars, two dominant, what we would call intelligences, consciousnesses.
		And they had developed a society, a very sophisticated society, and even so to the point where their technology allowed them to actually go out and transverse the stars.
		And they had literally visited the Earth and other places.
		So this was, you know, so now it's like Arthur C. Clarke.
		I mean, this is like a science fiction novel when I'm reading the transcript, because I don't remember in the deep state of consciousness, I don't remember what I'm saying, but I'm reading the thing and I'm saying there's no way this can be possible.
		And at that time, there were other consciousnesses from other sun systems that were coming into our solar system.
		As time goes, we're talking in excess of 5 billion years here, that their evolution began.
		And then the other consciousness that they came in was more of a threatening.
		It would be kind of like watching a sci-fi movie and seeing raiders coming in.
		They had built great temples, pyramid shapes, three-sided and four-sided pyramids.
		They had great conduits that connected the cities, which were like tubes that were on the surface and tubes that were under the surface that connected everybody back and forth.
		So it was an integrated kind of a community rather than having rural and cities.
		It was like cities, all interconnected, like a hub.
		And they also, to protect the planet, they created a network of devices that would literally keep people away.
		Kind of like a Tesla ray, as I understand my own transcript.
		It sounds like that anyways.
		Anyways, something went awry with it and it literally backfired and destroyed the total surface of Mars for literally for decades of the Martian year.
		The mechanism just kept destroying everything and just polarized.
		It literally ripped away the atmosphere.
		And then the transcript went on to end in saying that this is again in 86.
		It said, what will be found is that there will be found that there is ice and water still contained, and there will be found remnants of at least two of the pyramidal structures in one of the tubes, and that that would be discovered before the new millennium began.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen the photographs in question, for example, of what's being called the glass tube?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen that?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		No, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Oh, my.
		You've really got to see those photographs.
		I think they are.
		If they're not on your site.
		We can get them right away.
		Keith, would you please put up the glass tube?
		It's an incredible photograph.
		We've seen the pyramids on Mars, pyramidal-shaped things.
		And, you know, a lot of people who are experts in this field, Richard C. Hoagland, who's taken a lot of Mars pictures and said, Wow, look at that.
		A lot of times, Gordon, I just go, Sorry, I see rocks.
		I don't see the same pattern you do.
		But he brought this photograph forth, the same one Arthur C. Clarke has been talking about.
		And I went, oh my God.
		There's no question about the fact that something built this.
		It's not natural.
		There's no way this is natural.
		I'll see if Keith can get it up there.
		Oh, please, Keith.
		I mean, there's no question about it.
		You just look at it and you go, oh, my God.
		So that would fit right in, wouldn't it, with what you're talking about?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		At least from the point of view of the tubes, I know that there's been a speculation about the pyramid or the face of Mars, which I did not receive any information at all about that.
		The only thing I received on that was that there were two parts of a pyramid that would be found, but destroyed, like the tops have been blown away, but you would still see, clearly you'd be able to see the shapes of them, and that by the new millennium, that this would be known.
		So, you know, as far as I know, that prediction was not a hit because there's no scientific proof that there are pyramids or tubes.
		But it looks like maybe we're getting some information now that might support that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, incredible information.
		No question about it.
		So then, do you think that, I guess you don't.
		I was about to ask whether you think we'll get back to Mars, but apparently not until some pretty serious changes have occurred.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I, you know, we don't know the timeline of the reality of the pole shift.
		With all my heart, I believe it will happen in our lifetimes and probably within, you know, the next decade or two.
		But we may very well get there.
		I mean, even if we had some severe events like I see this summer for both this country and Japan and South America, those are the three that I see experiencing some really devastating events, it still would not probably stop the programs that are underway.
		I know NASA's working on, they've upgraded from cheaper and faster to safer and perhaps better.
		But I sense the next breakthrough that we're going to see is photographic.
		One of my predictions is that for either this year or next year, that something equivalent to what the Hubble has been seeing out in space, we're going to be able to look at with ground, with ground-based technology.
		We're going to be able to look at surfaces on planets.
		And if that prophecy comes true, then we'll be able to see a lot more.
		So we, you know, as the technology comes, I mean, the technology we're using to get to Mars now is old technology.
		It's really old.
		The newest technology, as we all know, is in the hands of black ops.
		You know, it's stuff that's flying in the air that we think are other things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a whole nother topic.
		UFOs.
		I was instructed this time to ask you about UFOs.
		Sure.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That's a show into itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure it is.
		Are these many things, Gordon?
		Are they extraterrestrial life?
		Are they terrestrial life?
		Are they dimensional life?
		Or are they a mixture?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I think that there are so many levels of consciousness that the ones that I think we need to focus on first is the physical reality ones, the ones that we can see, touch, and feel.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ones that have been colliding with airliners in Mexico City and things like that.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The photographic evidence is overwhelming.
		Overwhelming.
		And technology, especially with video cameras, has allowed imagery.
		There isn't a day that goes by probably where I don't get a tape in the mail of some incredible footage.
		So just looking at the visual evidence, realizing that a portion of it is going to be hoaxed if somebody wants to spend the time and money to do it.
		I'm not sure why they would want to.
		But it's like the top circles.
		There's a portion of it that isn't real.
		But there are.
		So the physical stuff back, and I do cover a chapter of that in my book as well, but there are, and there has always been visitors to our planet.
		We're at the stage now where we're starting to explore going out of our system.
		So it's not hard if I was to say in 100 years from now that we're going to go out to the stars and visit other planets.
		Most people would say that's probably could be because look at how far we've gone in the past 50 years.
		And maybe it would only be 10 years or 20 years that we do that.
		But we can accept that.
		The hard part for most people is to accept that there are other life forms.
		Yet we're starting to get ready to accept that.
		If we look back, let's say 25 or 30 years ago, then the Kennedy era, for example, and we asked what percentage of the population believes in the possibility of UFOs, it was relatively small.
		That number now is high.
		It's the majority.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's very high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's very high.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and so the question now is, where are they from?
		Why are they here?
		Are there good guys and bad guys?
		You know, those are the questions.
		And I believe all of those things are true.
		I believe that there are positive and negative, as well as there are beings who've been kind of like caretakers.
		And I personally have never seen a UFO.
		I have had experiences that I can't explain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I actually have seen one, so.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And many people have.
		So it's, To my perspective, it's very real, and it's like sorting out all of the various possibilities, and I believe that they all exist.
		And there's another portion here which we have to include in that, is that a lot of the things that are flying in the skies may very well be earthbound craft.
		It may be the next evolution after the CELT, maybe the Aurora or even the project past Aurora.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, imagine how many generations they're ahead out there near me.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		50 years ahead is my take on it.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, they're 50 years ahead of where we are now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Backtracking for just a second to Mars, if there was life as long, say, as 5 billion years ago on Mars, why is it unreasonable to assume that in some final gesture or some fan gesture, who knows, the Martians ceded, virtually, ceded life on Earth?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		In the chapter of Notes from the Cosmos, it talks about that near the end when the destruction was going on, when the technology had devastating the planet, that they, that some of them, the aquatic caste, as it will, the caste system, but the aquatics were almost immediately wiped out.
		But the others, the giant-like creatures, many of them were able to get away, to escape.
		And a portion of those came to Earth, and we know them in myth now as the giants or the cyclops.
		And so a portion of them came here.
		But the Earth is really a collection of species.
		Each of the, you know, we have a spiritual beings now.
		The humankind is a spiritual being.
		But it was created out of various life forms that were present on Earth, taking the best of each of those.
		Whatever the temperature of the Earth and whatever the climate was like at the time, but any species, humankind adapted.
		And so the giant creatures, just as many of the dinosaurs, didn't make it, but they were able to adjust and become part of the consciousness of the Earth, which means that they became part of the reincarnational process.
		So the shocking part here is that in some of us, we may have Martian origins from our souls' perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess there would have been a lot of souls involved, even five billion years ago.
		Never thought of it that way, but that's certainly one way to think about it.
		Listen, we are coming up on the top of the hour, and I know where you are, it's almost 5 o'clock in the morning.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I always give, this is a break time where a lot of people on the East Coast need to get to sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I'm asking you that question now coming up on the East Coast.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I certainly do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You certainly need to get to sleep.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
		Absolutely.
		You've given us, believe me, more than enough to think about with your latest vision.
		And if you have any others that important, in fact, if this is going to occur, Gordon, just very quickly, is it probable that you will have another vision indicating we're almost right on top of it?
		Will we get a little warning?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I'm hopeful we will.
		What I'm tracking carefully is the four events that I see for the summer.
		And I will update those, and I will send Keith an update as well.
		So if it's a badbody can go to my website or go to your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And if there's something that's important, it'll be there for everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Bless your heart, my friend.
		As always, thank you.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		My pleasure.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This one's for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later, Gordon.

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