Art Bell hosts David Wilcock, who links extreme solar flares—like the 1989 X20 event that blacked out Canada’s grid—to Earth’s magnetic shifts and pole reversals, citing Neptune’s flips and the sun’s 230% stronger field since 1901. Wilcock ties solar anomalies to violent weather, ghost sightings (per 19th-century sunspot studies), and consciousness transformations, referencing Hopi prophecies and Einstein’s theories. Harold Ort joins to debate radio regulation, criticizing FCC restrictions on LPFM and Clear Channel’s streaming disputes while promoting ham radio’s resilience in crises like Kosovo. Callers report UFOs (1977 Texas sighting, Discovery Channel’s Illinois case), lunar landing skepticism, and bizarre time-shifted encounters, like a 1993 horse-and-buggy sighting. Wilcock’s solar theories and Ort’s radio insights merge with caller anecdotes, painting a picture of electromagnetic upheaval, shifting timelines, and humanity’s potential for rapid transformation—whether through catastrophe or awakening. [Automatically generated summary]
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But, you know, there are a lot of weird things out there.
For example, here in the western part of the U.S., we have been burdened for some days now with this really, really strange, misty, sandy haze in the air.
Nobody can really quite describe what it is, but you can't even see the mountains eight miles away.
And even our weather person, Channel 8 in Las Vegas, was having a hard time figuring out what it was, and she was saying they were investigating.
And we called the Desert Information Center.
And I did too.
And they say that this is sand coming from Mongolia.
That's right.
Mongolia.
If you look at the map, we're almost parallel.
and i guess their but claiming it was picked up in mongolia by the jet stream from transported across the entire pacific ocean and deposited on the western u_s_ anyway it's weird weird stuff that's for sure and it
How difficult would it be for China to do something similar to what's going on right now?
Only if you think about it, folks, it wouldn't be dust.
It would be something else if it's carried that efficiently by the jet stream from Mongolia to the U.S. Just a horrid little thought to have.
Anyway, listen here.
On Sunday, it happened again.
We had another mega flare from the sun.
You just don't get mega flares, and now we've had two mega flares, I might add, from different regions.
This one, active region 9415 near the western limb of the sun, so strong that had it been aimed at the Earth, which fortunately, once again, it wasn't, could have disrupted communications, could have destroyed satellites in orbit, could have destroyed, virtually destroyed our economy, or certainly put it to its knees.
And we've missed these two so far by that much.
You know, a couple of days of the sun's positioning, the Earth has had two really close calls.
And I've got somebody who wants to talk about our sun coming up in a moment, David Wilcock.
Mr. David Wilcock is a specialist in theoretical science and the interface between metaphysics and the new paradigms of matter and universal energy.
Currently, he is the research director for Dr. Scott Mandekler's multimedia seminar tour entitled The Time of Global Shift, which will be held in a number of cities across the country, including Chicago, Illinois this coming May, then Boulder, Colorado, I guess, in June.
Mr. Wilcox's website, Ascension2000.com, has attracted nearly 80,000 visitors since 1999.
We may get that for him tonight.
We've got a link up there now.
And he has published several outline books there, including online books rather, including Wanderer Awakening, The Shift of the Ages, and Convergence, The Physics of Ascension, all of which are free for public consumption.
He lectures throughout the USA, has appeared on international talk radio, and his work has been featured in several magazine articles and referenced in frontier scientific publications.
His eagerly awaited new book, Convergence 3, due for public internet release in two weeks, will be yet his most comprehensive and extraordinary work to date involving a completely new view of quantum mechanics, anomalous Earth and solar phenomena, and planetary and galactic energy systems.
The scales that were designed to register these things have had to be completely improvised and reworked as they go.
Because we didn't have, for example, the class of solar flare only went up to severe, but they had to rename a new category called extreme in order to handle the degree and the magnitude of the behavior that we're seeing.
Well, mega is what you have to go for after you've already blown through the extreme level, and you need to create yet another inflammatory sounding word, because this is inflammatory.
And people here on Earth, they really don't understand how close a call they had.
We had, what was it, an X, some said 20.
X20.
And then I talked to, actually I talked to the fellow who runs the Big Bear Solar Observatory, and he said, Art, I think it's an X22, which makes it the biggest ever measured because our equipment saturated at X20.
Various satellites, including the Advanced Composition Explorer, some of the satellites that have been put up by the ESA and by Japan, they are not built to handle these types of emissions.
And there was something that you didn't mention in your introduction.
Well, you remember when you're at the carnival and you play that game with darts and you're trying to hit the balloon and you've got to hit the balloon that's weak to see if you can pop it?
Well, this is a lot easier than that if the CME is directed towards us properly, then all of a sudden, overnight, we're going to have a situation where we don't have a power grid.
There could be huge deviations of the terrestrial magnetic field.
It's not as though we're just two guys on the radio talking about something that isn't going to happen.
I've had people tell me, maybe you can tell me if this is true, but I've had people tell me that one great danger would be that we'd get one big mega flare, which would depress the magnetic field of the Earth, and then followed on by a second big one when we're essentially shields down.
You could think of it that way.
Straighten our chaser, and then we could get a pole reversal.
Yeah, I think it's important for people to understand the overall energetic dynamics of what actually triggers magnetic pole reversals and why this solar activity is happening in the first place.
I agree with the fact that it is certainly within the realm of possibility, given the higher frequency with which Earth's ionosphere is vibrating, given the appallingly low frequency of gravity in terms of a rating scale of 1 to 10, the strength of gravity is very weak.
And we have the combination of high oscillating vibrations, and not to mention that the magnetic poles are moving through what are known as magnetic pole shift corridors, which are historically documented areas where the pole has moved in the past when we've had a magnetic pole shift.
So there's no doubt in my mind that there will be a magnetic pole shift.
Now, whether we're going to have an Earth crustal displacement, as per the theories of Charles Hapgood, which were endorsed by Albert Einstein, incidentally, that remains to be seen.
I'm not necessarily going to commit to that, but I will definitely say that all of the evidence says that we are going to have a magnetic pole shift.
Yeah, and when that happens, the ionosphere is disrupted and a significant amount of radiation goes into the earth, which causes, you know, mutating type phenomena.
There are Israeli scientists who believe that the dinosaurs were not killed by some great big rock from space, but rather were killed when the sun virtually sterilized Earth.
With all due respect to the scientists who have believed that asteroid or bolide collisions were responsible for mass extinctions, we need to remember that there are a series of eras, each of which is punctuated by a mass extinction.
And these areas actually are divided up rather neatly into cycles of around 50 million years and then 35 million years as you get closer to the present.
Now, how can you have this schedule by which asteroids are just going to happen to come drifting in and cause these problems?
In other words, we're not just talking about one extinction.
I think it's important to set out the paradigm right at the outset that although I am acknowledging that we will be having a magnetic pole shift, much of my work is unique in the sense that I am trying to lend scientific credence.
I won't say I'm trying to prove, but I'm trying to lend credence to the idea that many of these ancient and indigenous prophecies, such as the Hopi talking about the fifth world, such as the Christian, everybody's familiar with that one, etc., etc., that we're actually talking about a spontaneous transformation of consciousness.
And this has to do with the idea that universal energy in and of itself is innately conscious in its basic composition.
That vibration in and of itself is intelligence, and the higher the vibration, the higher the intelligence.
Now that sounds rather ridiculous, but we need to go back to the Baxter effect.
This was a guy who was one of the best forensic lie detector administrating people.
And what he did is to take plants and hook up these connections to the plant's leaves.
And basically, he would try to burn the plant and look at the lie detector and see what the plant would do.
And the plant would register shock reactions, typical with when he was actually going to burn the leaf, but not when he was pretending that he was going to burn the leaf, only when he was really going to do it.
Now, a lot of people have heard of this, but what they don't necessarily understand is that the Baxter effect has been shown for things like bacteria, for planaria worms, these little knobby flatworm guys, for even human cells.
That's one of the most interesting ones.
For example, take this as, this is a pretty humorous example.
He took a teenage guy and gave him a cotton swab and had him take some of the cells out of his cheek.
He puts him in a different room, hooks up the cheek cells to the lie detector test.
He leaves the guy in a waiting room with a porno magazine.
And just when the guy finally gets the urge to open up the magazine, he comes barging in.
And, you know, what are you doing?
And at that point, they look on the lie detector test, and the kids'cells show signs of a shock.
It sounds silly, but he took a tub of yogurt and stuck electrodes in it and had this nasty contraption that would kill some brine shrimp by dumping them into boiling water.
And he could walk out of the building, and if there was nothing else around to distract the bacteria, the death of the brine shrimp would cause them to have a shock reaction.
Or if you had yogurt and some of it was in the container being monitored and some of it was being eaten, it would start to show shock at the time that it hit somebody's stomach.
If you look at the peaks of the sunspot cycle and you compare that, especially prior to 1960, if you compare sunspot cycle peaks to economics, there is a direct correlation between the degree to which the sun is emitting energy and the degree to which the economy goes down.
No, we can talk about all kinds of human behavior.
If we can talk about the market, then we can talk about war, we can talk about social movements, we can talk about crime and the number of people in jails and all kinds of things.
Yeah, I mean, that is one of the central cornerstones to this whole hypothesis is the idea, which actually comes from the study of economics, for people who are trying to make money of how cosmic influences modulate human behavior.
And roughly speaking, if you look at the correlations of like the last three sunspot cycles after, you know, in that period from 1960 onward, the correlation got weaker between economics and sunspot cycles.
But if you look all previous to that point, it's extremely strong.
Okay, well, I don't really know the answer, Art.
You know, I look at this stuff and I try to pay attention to see the patterns.
The sun spit another big one yesterday, and those spots are going to get bigger or smaller and come around again soon.
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Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 16th, 2001.
Travel the world and the seven seas.
Everybody is looking for something.
Some of them want to use you.
Some of them want to get used by you.
Some of them want to abuse you.
Some of them want to be abused.
Some of them want to be abused.
Where are those happy days?
They seem so hard to find.
I tried to reach for you, but you have closed to find whatever happened to my love.
I wish I had seen it just the face of love.
It used to pay so good Oh, when you hear me, darling Can't you hear me, it's the way The love you gave me, nothing That can save me, it's the way When you're gone How can I even try to go home When you're gone So I
try, how can I carry on This thing so far away Though you're sending me You let me feel alive With something that I feel I'm not I really try to make it up.
I wish I was new.
What happened to my love?
It used to be to you and love.
Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in Time, tonight's program originally aired April 16th, 2001.
To give you some idea of the extreme nature of the flares that we've been getting, should one of the extreme flares, and what we had may have been even bigger than that, but should one of the extreme ones hit us, the ones David was talking about a little while ago,
according to NOAA on their official site, an airline passenger would receive, on a typical flight across the country, the equivalent of 100 chest x-rays instantaneously.
Now, I had always understood that planets made their orbits about the Sun and were kept in position because of the magnetic attraction or whatever of the Sun.
That the planets were held in their rotation by the Sun.
So if we had a 230% increase in the magnetic attraction of the Sun, my gosh, shouldn't we all be falling into it?
Well, there's a, you know, magnetism is going to have more To do with the energetic flux of a planet, and that has to do with like the ionosphere, which would be more like your radio broadcast and so forth.
Now, the gravitational model of the Sun is also flawed because the Sun contains 99.86% of the total mass in the solar system.
Well, how can the planets not fall into the Sun from that?
That leads us to the idea that there is an anti-gravity force.
But I'd like to say there's this Russian astrophysicist named Dr. Alexai Dmitriev.
And he reports that, and I can quote this, as a whole, all of the reporting and observation facilities give evidence to a growth in the velocity, the quality, the quantity, and the energetic power of our solar system's heliospheric properties.
And the heliosphere, of course, is the name of the magnetic field around the Sun.
So what's actually happening, one of the things that I don't hear people talk about too much, is that the time that it takes a solar emission to travel to the Earth is increasing sometimes by as much as 400%.
The whole solar system is becoming a better conductor.
The energy is charging up all throughout the solar system.
For example, there's a tube of ionizing radiation of plasma that has become visibly glowing at the strength of over a million amperes between Io and Jupiter, enough that you can actually see it, that it's glowing.
And similarly, this same doctor from Russia, Dr. Alexai Dmitriev, has shown that all the planets are showing signs of, for example, Neptune and Uranus, both of them have experienced recent magnetic polar shifts.
Now, what I'd like to say is that, first of all, most people who talk about these things, and this is not to dismiss them or anything, but they only really focus on the Earth and the Sun.
So one of the correlations that we need to just say right out is that, look, this is happening all throughout the heliosphere.
And it has to do with the conductive properties, and it also has to do with the energetic properties.
We've had recent times where the solar wind in the year 2000, the solar wind abruptly stopped.
What happens if we have an already frail economy, we have saber-rattling going on between the United States and China, we have Israel bombing Syria, which is not even directly involved in this until now, and the Palestinians.
That's just what's happening today.
All these geopolitical things are happening.
You know, we have a new regime in there, and they're much more akin to the Cold War way of thinking.
They want to bring back the adversarial relationships.
So now is not the time for the public to want to hear that things are changing and that the lifestyle that you've been leading might have to become different.
People don't want to change.
They want everything to stay the same.
They want to get up and go to work and find groceries that they need at the grocery store and buy gas and live a normal life.
But this time has been prophecied for thousands and thousands of years, and we're in it now.
Now think about this Bible quote.
It says, as a light shineth from the east to the west, so too shall the coming of the Son of Man be.
And if you look back at those seven vials of God's wrath in Revelation, a large number of them have to do with light or energy or something that's flaming going into the earth.
Furthermore, if you go back to the Vedic scriptures, this is the Hindu faith, which date themselves, incidentally, as being 18,000 Years old.
They talk about the Gandharva fire at the end of an age.
And this is this gigantic cataclysmic burst of energy from the sun that signifies the end of an age and causes a cataclysm.
You know, again, I'm going to try and look at the positive side of this, and that is that I believe that no matter what happens, even if there is a catastrophic emission toward the Earth from the Sun, or some sort of reversal or change here on the Earth that's catastrophic for human beings, that still might mean that on the other side of it there would be some sort of evolutionary leap.
Well, that's what I wanted to make sure we covered tonight.
And let's go to the tornado real quick.
There are anomalies with tornadoes that Dr. Alexai Dimitriev talks about in his paper that are very uncommon, and that has to do with the phase shifting of matter.
I'd like to mention a couple of those to you right now.
The first one is that a small pebble punctures a sheet of glass like a bullet, and it doesn't form any fractures as it passes through.
One board is seen to penetrate another board without shattering or causing any visible damage.
You're saying the really violent weather we're having right now is indeed correlated with solar activity.
In what manner?
Now, I can buy the fact, for example, that if our water is warmer, if the oceans are warmer, then there's more energy to pass to the atmosphere and you get bigger, badder storms.
Well, it can't be an iron core because after you get down past about 60 miles, it's too hot to conduct magnetic energy.
In other words, there's this thing called the Curie point, at which time magnetism breaks down in a metal because it has a thermal exhaustion.
And that happens right beneath the surface, practically.
So the core is way too hot to be metallic.
And the only way that we know what's in the core is because of earthquakes and studying how the earthquakes jiggle the earth.
There's P waves and S waves.
The P wave travels through the core.
The S wave, which is a side-to-side shaking movement, doesn't travel through the core.
They can duplicate that in the laboratory with a solid and show that it doesn't move through a solid, so hence the core must be solid.
It also wouldn't move through super-condensed plasma energy.
And plasma is electromagnetic energy.
So that's why, you know, when they talk about Zeus' thunderbolts, and you've had guests on the show who've talked about this whole idea going back to Velikovsky and so forth, that the planets can exchange energy bolts.
What we're dealing with is an electromagnetic universe, and the electromagnetic interaction of the sun and the earth is what triggered those tornadoes in the Midwest.
So it's a real heads up for people to watch the solar activity and to study if you're living in an area that's prone to earthquakes or prone to weather disturbances that you keep an extra strong vigil during those times when there's solar activity.
I'm saying that if you look at the behavior of the tornado, or if you look at the behavior of the Bermuda triangle, we have cases where matter changes phase.
Now, Einstein believes that when you accelerate matter towards the speed of light, that it becomes infinitely dense.
But if light speed is not the salary cap for how we get paid off by universal energy, then we certainly have enough of a budget to have other things happen to matter.
And we have the observations.
The only way that these anomalies could happen with a tornado is if matter becomes permeable like a fluid.
And if you go back to the stories that were being told by all these ancient prophets, they say that we're going to have an alchemical transmutation of the human body.
Are you saying that you could take a board and aim it with some mechanism at another board at the speed a tornado would drive it into that other board and not achieve the same result?
The production of the tornado cannot levitate these objects, Art.
It's not enough power.
That is an anti-gravity vortex that is causing those objects to rise.
Why is it that centrifugal force does not cause the boards to fly off these houses as they rotate inside the tornado?
Because there's an energy field that's holding them in there.
Why is it that in 1951, this guy in Texas looked up into the center of a giant tornado over his head, felt no suction, could breathe fine, and there was this gigantic luminous ball in the middle of the tornado.
And that's been seen over and over and over.
Tornado is an energetic phenomenon that interacts with the Earth's core, which is also energetic.
And it was proven to us this last week by virtue of the fact that this huge solar emission goes by, solar proton levels around the Earth go to 10,000 times their normal size, and lo and behold, we get a quarter-mile-wide tornado that just rips through the Midwest.
And what I'm trying to say is that the end product of this, which is covered very well in our multimedia seminar tour coming up in May, June.
May, we're going to have it in Chicago, June in Boulder.
Anybody can go to my website at ascension2000.com to see that, or they can link to it from your site after tonight, I'm sure.
This seminar tour, we're going to have images up on screen at least every 10 seconds.
It's going to be a full-blown presentation of all this material we're talking about, plus a lot more.
Dr. Scott Manelker is going to be doing it.
He's been a popular guest.
What we're trying to say overall is that you don't need to waste your time worrying about whether your body is going to stay together in the third density or the third dimension.
Because this is a multi-dimensional phenomenon that's happening.
And it has to do with our movement through the galaxy.
That was one of the points I wanted to make.
The galaxy is what's causing this.
The galaxy has different domains or different areas of higher vibrational energy.
We're moving into an area like that now.
It's charging up the whole entire heliosphere.
And that's what's causing all this stuff.
And there's a guy by the name of Dr. Harold Aspen from Cambridge University who has done studies that show unequivocally that these vacuum domains exist throughout the universe, that they exist in the galaxy, and he correlates the idea that they are the triggers of geomagnetic pole reversal.
Gee, David, do you think that these dimensional changes could account for why a lot of people out there are seeing entities that they've never seen before in the very large numbers?
The American Society for Psychical Research, back in the end of the 19th century, beginning of the 20th, did a study that made a firm correlation between ghost sightings and the level of solar activity.
But in view of the fiery spittings of the sun recently, I wanted to have you on right away, even in short form, to try and explain a little bit of this.
So I sure do appreciate it, my friend, and we'll look forward to doing a full show with you and Dr. Matlaker.
Currently, the editor of Popular Communications magazine, Harold Oort, served in the U.S. Army's public affairs career field for about 20 years.
Retired in 1991 as a master sergeant, his service culminating in Saudi Arabia with Operation Desert Storm, where he conducted media escorts, broadcast special reports for AFN, and wrote articles for Army and U.S.-based civilian media.
He's received the Meritorious Service and Joint Service Commendation Medal during his Army career, which included assignments in Berlin, New York City, and Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.
We're going to have to ask him what he saw there.
Harold is the former editor of the Popular Communications Guides, Radio Shack's Radio Magazine, has written articles for USA Today, the Army Times, Soldiers, numerous other regional U.S. media.
He is a licensed amateur radio operator, call sign N2RL, and enjoys talking and meeting with other radio operators from around the world.
He and his family currently live in New Jersey within earshot of the area's three metro airports, which provide plenty of opportunity for listening to aircraft from the comfort and safety of home.
There is a commercial on TV where there's some opera singer up there.
Maybe you've seen it.
She's singing away, and a cell phone goes off in the audience, and she takes her spear and she drives it right through the cell phone.
You know, there are restaurants now and places where people are so sick of cell phones that they're beginning to investigate something called cell phone blockers, jammers, if you will.
The trouble with prizes is the last time I gave away something, I had a CD full of old 50s music, you know.
Okay, this was on New Year's Eve, and I said, I'll tell you what I'll do.
I can't, you know, the network doesn't authorize it, so I will give away $100 of my own money to the first person that can name every song for hearing about two bars.
Yeah, Canada, certain, yeah, you can, you know, overseas, or if you go up to Canada, or if you go over to other parts of the world, you know, the world and other places, everything isn't like it seems in the U.S., you know, elsewhere.
But then again, it's almost in many places becoming moot point because systems are going to, no, they're $200, but they're going to these digital spread spectrum systems, which really can't be monitored.
Now, I tested a phone, I'll tell you the truth, and I caught some slack, and it was a Panasonic cordless phone here a year or two ago.
Company sent me, I said, I'd like to review this phone.
I reviewed it from the aspect that this is a damn good phone.
Superb range, and it was.
Superb range.
My God, I'd walk all the way down the end of the street, you know, a quarter mile.
And a lot of folks wrote in and said, oh boy, you've got they must have given you a unit that can't be monitored.
I said, hey, I even looked up the ESN, the serial number, checked it against the FCC's logs online, and the thing certainly is a spread spectrum technology phone.
All I know is what I saw, and I tested right here in the office, and certainly I could not monitor it.
Everything from optoelectronics frequency counters, RadioShack frequency counters, scanners in the search mode, nothing, you know, but damn good phones.
Yeah, and what I find better are the older, the very old now, of course, 10, 10-year-old, but the older cordless phones with the bass unit is up at the top end of the broadcast band.
Let's talk about streaming technology on the web for a second.
You wrote a great big article in Popular Communications about all of these radio stations that you can listen to on the web.
And it's just, I mean, from coast to coast, you can listen to radio stations streaming what they do in Dallas, and you can listen to it here in Perumba and New York City or anywhere else.
It's just incredible.
Only after you read the article, almost every radio station out there, I know certainly all Clear Channel stations, my companies, stopped streaming.
Cold.
They issued orders to all the stations to stop streaming.
And the reason for that is that I guess AFTRA, they're in some sort of battle with AFTRA over payments that radio stations would have to make for streaming on the web.
Back when they didn't think the net was going to be much, they apparently agreed to an extremely generous amount of money to be paid if streaming went on past a certain year.
Yeah, and my columnist, Eric Forst, I think he did a fantastic job with that.
And there's a lot more to hear out there, too.
I mean, certainly all of the U.S. slash North American media, AMFM, that streams it, I've read that it's become more of a novelty.
But it's about advertising.
Advertisers aren't ready to why have Steve Snowmobile service from Upper New Jersey or Pennsylvania streamed on the internet here heard off in Wyoming somewhere.
You're not going to get a buyer on that.
But certainly a larger corporate accountant such as you have, sure.
But I think that we've got shortwave stations that are now BBCs all over the internet.
Clearly they stream their stuff.
Third world countries are streaming their audio from their shortwave outlets.
As a matter of fact, most people don't know the Swiss Radio International in a matter of a month or two, I forget the exact timeline, but very soon is ceasing their overseas shortwave in favor of the satellite end of things and streaming audio.
Well, myself and a number of other hams have had a number of arguments about this.
I contend that the days of third world nations, even second and first world nations, broadcasting on shortwave, I think it's lessening and lessening and lessening, and there are fewer of those broadcast stations than ever before, and that a lot of them are going to streaming on the Internet and to satellite delivery and other methods.
Do you believe that to be true, or do you think there's more than ever?
I think that it's somewhat of a mistake to do that, to put all of our apples in one basket and cart that home.
I think that what you're seeing is a very real move toward the Internet and streaming audio from major countries.
Now, yeah, you do have third world countries, India, they're on the Internet.
But to throw it all on the Internet and cease shortwave, I made the analogy some time ago in one of my editorials about, can you imagine the poor slob in Kosovo when that war was hot over there carrying a whatever computer on his back.
Oh, I'm going to hold on, hold on, Natasha, I'm going to plug that into the RJ-11 as he's dodging the mortar.
Obviously, he's not.
Obviously, third world countries where there's conflict, there's nothing wrong with the crank-up radio or that Sanjian 909, as it were.
Not many years ago, and not many years from now, maybe five, maybe less, 10 years, you're certainly going to have my idea, and maybe yours too, of the perfect home.
And I don't mean some multi-million dollar mansion, but you know, you'll be able to, from your office, turn on and off through your computer, and it's all wireless, you know, that Bluetooth technology, you know, turn on and off the computer, turn the lights, the TV, the radio, check on the cat.
Did the cat pee on the couch?
Well, you can look in your little video thing and see that.
But the problem is with the, here we go, with the current, whether it's the current administration or others, but you've got this very ancient fossil fuel technology.
And I'm sure you've been over this time and time again.
But the bottom line is whether you're not going to get, in my lifetime, this administration or any other one that's very oil dependent on those fossil fuels to back off.
It's just, to me, it's a losing battle.
It's unfortunate.
It's very unfortunate because I look at so much.
Some days don't you feel like you're Kuique, that you see things like a seer?
And I don't, you know, I'll go along with that, but I just, I want to begin to certainly I don't want to cut the budget in half to look at alternative fuels.
But you know, an individual can do it on his or her own for a relatively small investment.
I run all of my ham gear, and it doesn't draw a lot of amperage, all my scanners, all my radios, all my hand gear off of a couple of batteries and a project I did in our magazine last year or the year before.
And I'm doing some more projects in that regard.
So, yeah, so you can at least have emergency power to run your refrigerator or to run your lights in your house at the flick of a switch and it's free.
I mean, when we have an emergency, then we do something.
And I know it's going to be the cost of gasoline going through the roof and oil, heating oil and all, you know, gas and natural gas and all the rest of it is going to go through the roof.
Once again, editor of Popular Communications magazine, Harold Oort.
Harold, there was a plan put forth by the previous FCC commissioner for people, even in the beginning, I guess, for individuals to put up low-power, very low-power FM radio stations in their own home,
I suppose, if they wanted to, or organizations, very low-power FM stations, that would sort of just go on the air and be serving like either part of a community or a small community or something like that.
Yeah, very exciting, and it all went down the tubes.
Basically, the bottom line is my friend Billy Tozan, the National Association of Broadcasters, and a bunch of other clowns and characters went to work and made it a churches or non-profit organizations can get in on the LPFM bandwagon, but they've made it non-commercial.
A dream of mine would have been to own a small radio station, a little extra income, get Steve Snowblower service to advertise.
Basically, it's a done deal.
It's non-commercial.
And you can be, as I said, a non-profit organization can take advantage of it and get licensed.
But the NAB and broadcasters work in, they like the status quo, and they're afraid of competition.
And they screamed and yelled at the FCC, who did their studies.
I applaud them in a way.
They said there will be no interference or very little interference, and we can work around that.
And there would be field engineering tests, and there would have been.
The NAB and the station said, nope, can't have it.
Yeah, they operate on short wave, so they get a worldwide audience.
You know, these radios are readily available.
And, you know, setting up a name.
If I can work Germany with 20 watts, imagine what you can do with 150 or 200.
And they're typically evenings, obviously.
Holiday or weekends, holiday weekends, Halloween weekends would be any weekend.
But 6955, tune it in, or 69.50 upper or lower sideband on that same gene, and you're in business.
But yeah, a lot of parodies when Bill Clinton and going back into it, of course, but with the Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky thing, the pirate radio scene was outrageous.
And very honestly, they would have been good candidates for LP FM.
My surveys have indicated that they probably, the ones that are, the pirates on shortwave, would more certainly have moved to a licensed low-power FM frequency.
Ed Teach puts it all together, and he compiles all of the reader loggings or reception reports.
And we need more, of course.
But you know what it is?
You've got a magazine with 10 bazillion circulation out there, and you've got 15 or 20 people that are regular, what we call reporters sending in material.
They think, well, it's like I'll write my congressman.
Somebody else will do it, but that's not always the case.
yeah maybe even more so because of the reach because if it you've got to remember it doesn't uh...
it doesn't just state But you've got a shortwave signal.
It's not looking good for the U.S. when you've got Johnny sitting there in the middle of Iowa, blatantly broadcasting, transmitting, I should say, broadcasting, and the world is hearing it.
So yeah, there is a very concerted effort to take down these folks and find them, and they have been.
You've got to, they're relying on a lot of, you know, depending on the shortwave frequency, you know, a few blocks, a few miles away, you can be causing interference to another service, maybe a harmonic frequency.
Johnny's fate at the moment is he can cease and desist at the moment and stop broadcasting.
I don't think at the moment they're going to walk out with his equipment or, you know, like years ago with a CD radio crusher truck out in the middle of the street, which would have been neat, still would be neat in some cases.
But, you know, he's going to get a verbal warning.
It's like the cop pulling you over, typically, and then you might get, depending on the seriousness and depending on your attitude, you know, cease and desist, and you will probably get a letter in the mail explaining your actions.
And technically, you know, in the grand scheme of things, that sounds good.
It sounds good.
But boy, you know, it's like when the door shuts and it's dark, when the guy with the FCC, with the badge, comes by and says, hey, you've been busted, I would imagine the attitude would change.
If it were me, my attitude would say, hey, what do you want me to do?
You want my firstborn?
Because $10,000 or $30,000 is a lot of money to give up.
I've always said, I don't want to be in jail with Willie.
And there isn't a broadcaster alive, or I say not a broadcaster, but the cell industry would love to take more of our, well, they would love two meters.
You don't need to clean up but about three or four people.
Well, years ago, there were, you know, when I was a kid with CB in the 60s, there weren't but about, and a lot of them, Texas and Florida, there weren't but about eight or ten, a dozen of these clowns, you know, that you could hear.
But they put it on a frequency band area that supports long-range skip communications.
And then they said, you can't go in the cookie jar.
You can't communicate more than 155, 160 miles.
Well, people do, they still do.
They always will.
So what Alan has said, look, let's make, we've got tomes and tomes of laws down there in D.C., right?
Let's make it make sense.
People are doing it anyway, and it's not one of those, it's not a cop-out.
At least I didn't think of it that way.
It's not a cop-out saying, look, we recognize people are doing it.
It's not really harmful.
You're not going to stop them.
And we're not talking about the people with linears.
We're not talking about freebanders.
We're talking about John with three watts, who I did it.
My mother and I used to talk.
We back and forth to Florida, just like you and I are talking now.
But now, Alan has filed a petition for reconsideration of his RM 9807.
Oh, really?
Well, yeah, he just filed that.
The comment period, by the way, is still open.
Yeah, it's still open.
I think until a couple of days, yeah, until 17 April, so another day or so.
So he's trying to say, hey, folks, let's eliminate at least the emergency end of things so folks can communicate.
Again, it's common sense.
If you've got a guy in Kansas hollering on Channel 9 for help and somebody in New Hampshire hears him, in theory and in practice, legally, you can't answer him.
Do you think that even if he got his complete wish and they simply eliminated that rule and said, okay, go play, is that not going to then encourage the people with the linear amplifiers and the freebanders who are now encroaching on 10 meters?
And I'd like to crush those little suckers if I could get it.
But doesn't that send the message that there's enough of you and you're unenforceable enough, we'll just throw up our hands and say, okay, all the rules are gone.
The guys that are doing the linears, they're going to do it anyway.
It's not the guy going 65 and the 60.
It's the guy going 95 that you and I want to stop and that can be stopped and will be stopped, frankly.
But somebody that's doing three watts and talking to Sweden, not coming over the neighbor's telephone, probably no more than I am on my hamstation, should be allowed.
So let's just, in other words, Like they say, lighten up and let them do, you know, let what's been happening since 1958 happen legally and remove a ridiculous law from the books.
I don't think it's going to encourage the linear operators.
Harold Ort, who's editor of Popular Communications Magazine, is here.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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As a matter of fact, maybe you can give folks a frequency tip.
The frequency tip of the day.
Even if you have a scanner, International Space Station has the hams up there.
Oh, yes.
A downlink frequency.
If you want to hear some of the hams up there, 145.8.
Now, if you are a ham, you can uplink at 144.49 in the U.S., in Australia, what was it, 145.20 for Europe.
And talk to them.
And talk to them.
But if you sit there with your scanner and give them the right time, and you can check this also on the famous internet with various software programs when it will be overhead.
And there's usually about an eight-minute window, 10-minute window, 145.8 megahertz.
Now, you know, a lot of people in the audience, obviously, are neophytes in this area, and it's going to sound really intriguing to them, and they're going to say, you know, I don't know what they're talking about on there.
But how would you recommend that somebody who finds this intriguing, listening to pirates from around the world, listening to the space station, listening to military communications, maybe even listening to Area 51, whatever they've got in mind, how do they begin?
So we try to give that balance every month, and we try to not, we don't regurgitate and repeat things, but I try to repeat key basic items every month or every other month.
So if you've just picked it up on the newsstand, you can say, hey, I don't know what a scanner is.
And that's a shame, you know, and we've lost a lot of the build-it technology of the years ago with the Heathcast building radios.
But, yeah, they'll sit there with their computer now in their ham shack or whatever, and they'll have the streaming audio on while they're talking to you.
Yeah, we're more of a computer-controlled, and again, trying to, and we're changing the cover too.
You change the package, not just for the sake of change, but for the sake of saying, hey, look, we've got a lot to offer.
And for the 12-year-old and for the 90-year-old guy, there's a lot to offer in this magazine and with this hobby, whether it is the marriage of computers and radios.
If you look at Joe Cooper's column in there, utility radio, we're talking about those oddball military frequencies, embassies, and aircraft and all that sort of thing.
You know, the internet, like I said, you're not going to have a laptop on your back dodging bullets, or we're not going to be sitting over here on the internet listening to radio, you know, Tel Aviv and so on, you know, Voice of Israel, but short wave and those San Jeans you advertise, whether it's a $200 radio or a $1,000 radio, you don't need, that's my message, you don't need to spend $10 million on a radio, $1,000 on a radio.
You can get that radio you have there for $220, $250,260.
And if you actually want to get in a ham radio, you would be surprised.
You can go to what called Ham Fest where hams get together and you can buy a used transceiver that will let you transmit as well as receive around the world for very little.
Well, actually, if you look at the NOAA or NASA site that rates these things, they say that during an extreme flare of the kinds we've been having here lately, if you were on an airliner going cross-country, you would get the equivalent of 100 chest x-rays.
And this is, they call it, I'm looking at the NOAA release here, superpower regions of solar cycle 23.
This came out of a major sunspot group.
Sunspots, for listeners, without making it technical, sunspots are good for long-distance shortwave radio communication, whether it's ham or broadcasters.
And you know, scientists do still do not, we've been observing the sun since, what, the 1700s with records, still do not understand what makes the sunspot regions and what gives it all of this energy.
We know what the sun is and the fusion, the fission, and all that sort of thing, but we don't know what, really, what does it.
But it's been extremely active.
HF shortwave propagation has been, with the sunspots, tremendous.
Maybe that's why I talked to Germany.
But on the downside, but on the downside, those flares, the other day, 20 meters, it was dead.
That's troubling because, of course, I tried to explain to the audience earlier that these sunspots that have now disappeared around the sun, it doesn't mean they're gone.
In actually 21 days at the equator, they're going to come back around and they're going to be pointed at Earth like a shotgun at your belly.
Yeah, although they did say with this, and that's true, but they say with this X-14, that's how they class them, obviously, but that one that probably will not come back much at all.
Well, you certainly cover it all in your magazine.
And as a matter of fact, even hams who operate on satellites, a lot of people don't know that, but hams are allowed to operate satellites, actually transmit up to satellites, right?
And as a matter of fact, you even do a lot of, for example, every now and then you'll have coverage of one of the nation's great radio stations, you know, the beginnings of, well, I don't know, WLS or WABC or one of the big original stations and how they started.
I think it is, you know, and not because I do the magazine and I put it together.
I'm the, you know, run the thing, but the writers, the columnists, and the readers, they really do it.
But we cover A to Z radio and we try to profile a major station and some of the not-so-major stations that were instrumental in broadcasting's early days that are still going strong.
And they were heard, you know, all up and down the East Coast.
And we're WI, I think, if I'm not mistaken, and I don't have it in front of me, that WILM is in a graveyard, if I have that one handy, but I think it's in a graveyard frequency area, which means not much coverage.
I think it is.
I'm not certain about that.
Not much coverage at night or day.
It's more 50, 60 miles.
That's it.
But yeah, they've got a couple of stations to go off the air, and, my God, heard all over the place.
But I used to Work for a 50,000-watt radio station in Las Vegas.
In fact, I'm on there right now, KDWN.
We've come back to them.
And they run 50,000 watts on 720.
And they protect WGN in Chicago, which is on 720 also.
And in order to do that, at night when the sun goes down, they go directional, which means they go north and south and for the most part west.
Well, I used to do the all-night show there, Harold, and you will never know how close I came.
You know, I used to take calls from, oh, I don't know, 13 western states because it covered a lot of territory.
And I went over there to that button, I don't know how many times, and my finger was hovering over that button to turn off the directional aspect of the station and see where I could get calls from.
Another thing that I'm working hard on right now that I could use help with if there's some kind of expert out there on this phenomenon, I'm getting, well, maybe a thousand emails so far from people who remember history a very different way.
And what I'm talking about now, of course, is time manipulation.
I'm really getting an awful lot of emails on this now, just like the shadow people.
The contention is simple, and that is that if there is eventually going to be time manipulation, If man lives that long, there will be time manipulation.
And it will be possible to go back in time and manipulate events.
If that were to be possible, if you take that beginning assumption as your working hypothesis, then you might imagine that events, in fact, have been altered.
That people have traveled back, perhaps from our far distant future, to either our present or past, and have altered events.
And so I'm getting an awful lot of people writing me emails saying, Art, you know, I remember that it happened this way, not the way it really has happened.
And so if events have been altered, is it not possible that a lot of you would have vague memories of an entirely different outcome?
Of somebody, for example, who died, but today you find out they're alive?
Or the opposite?
Would you have vague memories of a timeline that might have been or was, but was changed?
We're working on it.
I've got a fast blast message here from Alexander in Akron, Ohio, and he says, Art, a United Kingdom paper, The Guardian, is reporting that Mount Popo has erupted, that it erupted Monday afternoon.
Really?
Really?
Then why do we have to read about it from a United Kingdom paper, pray tell?
You know, the scientists don't know what to make of this, right?
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Well, they haven't figured it out yet, but I mean, it's been speculated for years by even many mainstream scientists that it couples into the Earth's weather system.
Well, you might want to listen this coming Saturday because we're going to replay.
Here's a big announcement, which I'm going to have to repeat tomorrow night earlier, but we are going to replay the first incredible interview with Father Malachi Martin.
It's this coming Saturday.
And so a lot of people are going to get a chance to hear an incredible thing this coming Saturday.
He said that at some point from the Catholic point of view, from the biblical point of view, there are going to be three days of darkness.
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Yeah, I think I remember hearing him talk about that to some respect.
I didn't know that was tied to solar flares exactly.
Yes, for those who haven't heard it, Vice President Dick Cheney was taken aback the other day by the first question posed by a caller, God Bless Talk Radio, to Diane Rome's REMS, is it R-E-H-M-S national radio show?
I've never heard her.
Anyway, the caller asked whether the administration has a policy on UFOs, raising an eyebrow.
Now, that must be an in-studio report because you wouldn't hear it on the radio.
Raising an eyebrow, Cheney no doubt, made the caller's day by replying that if he had attended such a meeting, it would be classified and therefore he'd be unable to discuss it.
And from where I'm living, the radio station is maybe about four long blocks, five long blocks.
So anyway, I end up falling asleep before the program's over.
The radio ends up remaining on.
About 2-3 in the morning, there's noise coming from the radio that wakes me up.
Now, the station is off there.
It's dialed in really, you know, pretty tight, nice and clear and everything like that.
So there's no overlapping of any sort.
And I hear this very strange sound.
It's sort of like it sounded to me as if it was a huge building of sorts, a lot of like hissing and pipe type sounds, you know.
And all of a sudden there's this voice, a very deep and guttural type of sound, almost deeper than what your announcer is when he gives you the numbers, you know, to call.
Okay, all I remember hearing is ah-rat or ah-rad or something like this, and all of a sudden there's this very, how would you say, flourish of organ music of sorts, okay?
Yeah.
And then, well, I was bolt upright, and I smoked about two cigarettes in 15 minutes trying to sort this thing out.
So anyway, nothing further happened to it or whatever.
And about seven, eight months later, I'm sitting watching television, and there's this program sightings that came on the air around that time, eh?
The only normal explanation there might be for that would be that when your station went off the air, another station broadcasting on that frequency, perhaps thousands of miles away, would be received.
However, it sounds as though you believe you received a different kind of message altogether.
So in order for me to tell the difference, I would have to hear it, which means you have to record it.
And we get close, but then somehow we keep losing it.
So we're willing to pay for it.
You know, we're searching.
So if you know of an analog satellite signal available for our 24-hour use, I mean, there's all kinds of fun we can have with it.
I'm contemplating all kinds of things.
Like, for example, I could talk to you all at times other than when the show is on because we would have, you know, we'd have use of this subcarrier 24 hours a day.
So we could have a blast with it.
And it's something that we're really trying to get done.
And if any of you out there knows where we can get it, let's get it on.
probably about forty feet long or so it was an incredible incredible it Well, you know, all right, I've said this a million times, and I'll say it to you.
Once you've, of course, seen something like that, man saw, you'll never be the same.
Number one.
Number two, most people don't see these things because they're not looking up.
It's actually no more complicated than that.
I mean, think about yourself.
Now, you may be a little bit different, and you may, because you listen to this program, keep your eye on the sky a little bit.
But most people, I mean, honestly, take it from me, never look up.
They're so busy with the work of the day and the humdrum stuff that's going on during the day and getting to where they're going and watching the car in front of them, which, by the way, they ought to be, that they never look up.
And so probably 97% of UFOs go unseen.
Just because people can't look up in modern America, they're busy.
You're in your car, unless there's a gigantic nuclear-like flash that causes you to, you know, suddenly look up or around, you're going to miss it.
Art, I was thinking about this false history business.
Yes.
Some of the, back in my memory, about some of the school textbooks had written some of these types of, like with Mandela dying in prison, was written in some of the textbooks.
Well, all hell is breaking out in the Middle East right now.
Israel launched air, land, and sea strikes along almost the entire length of the Gaza Strip on Monday night, targeting Palestinian security posts in the fiercest, most widespread raids of seven months of violence.
It's nearly an all-out fight right now between the Israelis and the Palestinian Authority.
So whether this is going to stop here or whether other nations are going to begin to get involved, and we're looking at the possibility of another Mideast war, I think, is at this moment in some questions.
You might want to check on CNN, which is in continuous coverage right now.
Hate to blow away any listeners, but it's getting real serious out there.
That's always a place you want to keep your eye on, Middle East.
To read this into the danger mix going on over there right now, before the Israeli assault, security sources in Beirut said that of the 35,000 Syrian troops based in Lebanon, they've been put on high alert after the Israeli plane raid, which killed three Syrian soldiers and destroyed the radar station in East Lebanon's Baca Valley.
Damascus and its Lebanese guerrilla ally, Hezbollah, pondered their response to the surprise Israeli attack amid mounting Lebanese opposition to an aggressive military strategy against Israel.
The U.S. and U.N., of course, urged restraint on all parties, but you're going to want to watch this very carefully because this could be the beginning of some sort of horrible conflict in the Middle East.
Gee, maybe the guy who called a little while ago was right.
That's where they say it's all going to begin to end, right?
I don't know anything about ham radio, but I was thinking if you wanted to get more people interested in it, is it possible to build a radio that's just simply a ham receiver without a transmitter as a sort of beginner set for people?
Okay, and my other thing, everyone, a lot of your guests seems to be saying that the veil between worlds or even dimensions is breaking down and more and more things are becoming visible.
Okay, I'm sure given the opportunity, if these things become really commonplace, you're going to want to interview some of them eventually.
And to keep things straight, I was thinking you could add two more phone lines in, a north of the Rockies and a south of the Rockies, so you'll know what you're talking about.
What would you do if you were going down the road, you know, a deserted road, a right-hand turn that you hadn't meant to take, and as you passed other automobiles, things and scenery began to change a little bit.
The cars began to get older and older.
I'm sure you would notice the occupants would be staring back at you because they would have never seen a car like you were driving, right?
Older and older, and finally you pass somebody in a horse and buggy.
What would you have done?
Wildcardline, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Hello?
Hello?
I owe you a phone call.
I called you in February 1996 and I gave you what I called a possible psychic prediction that Bush would become President of the United States.
Well, I said I'd call you in September of 96, but since Bush didn't make it then, I felt so embarrassed and never called you again, but I've decided to...
You're absolutely right.
That's been my experience.
I have two predictions I would like to make tonight.
Okay, firstly, Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island, Congressman of Rhode Island, I give a 40 to 45% chance of eventually either becoming President of the United States or nearly becoming President of the United States.
And secondly, I am reluctant to give this, but due to the serious nature of events, I predict, with a 40 to 45% chance of either hitting it or nearly hitting it, that there will be a nuclear attack in the Middle East within the next year, and one or two nukes will explode.
However, however, I still think we went to the moon.
I think that they put together some really interesting evidence, and especially about the crosshairs, there's no question that they altered photographs, maybe for just PR reasons, but the fact is they altered them when they claimed they didn't, and there was some irrefutable proof in there of some misdoings.
Right.
That's what I thought about that program.
But I still think we went to the moon.
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What about the flag, though, that was breezing in the background there?
I've been wanting to do this for the longest time.
I could go out to certain areas in the desert here, sir, and I could put on a spacesuit and have somebody with a video camera, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between if I could hop properly and then they could adjust it, you know, with slow mo.
It would look like I was on the moon.
That's what the country where I live looks like, some of it.
I'm a truck driver also, and the other day, it was the middle of the day, probably around noon, and I was driving down a back road, well, kind of a highway, just not with a lot of traffic or anything, but just kind of staring out at the road in front of me, and I kind of see a clear object come over across the front of my truck.
And all of a sudden, I see it just kind of explode, kind of, and I get a mist on my windshield.
And I started thinking that it must have been one of your rods that your friend talks about.
Well, what you're going to try to do is stop your truck as quick as you can and get it in a, you know, like a bottle or a plastic baggie that you can seal or something.
Yeah.
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Yeah, I'll try that.
Yeah, but it was weird.
I heard you talking earlier tonight about how, you know, you take some of these things with a grain of salt until you see them, and then.
I, too, have had timeline experience changes most recently.
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I remember that gentleman's announcement of being dead, oh, two or three years ago, and I remember it distinctly because I remember thinking, I wonder how much money that gentleman made out of something that brought so much joy and yet so much agitation to so many people.