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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Technology Failures - Mat Stein

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 27th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours and well beyond.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To the Rock, the island of Guam in the West, East Coast of the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north, all of the way, Santa Country at the Pole, and worldwide on the old internet.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast A.M. and I'm our bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
		Hello there.
		K-A-O-K, brand new affiliate in Lake Charles, Louisiana.
		101.7 megahertz on the FM dial there.
		Lake Charles.
		FM.
		K-A-O-K, Lake Charles, Louisiana.
		Welcome to the network as we streak our way toward 500 affiliates.
		Listen, we're doing prefeeds every night.
		I stress that.
		And every night it's true.
		Beginning three hours before the live program, i.e.
		now, we do prefeeds, the last three hours of the program from the previous night.
		And I know that a lot of you get involved in the program, and then your little eyes begin to close because you have to go to work or something.
		And you miss it.
		So radio stations are capable of picking up three hours of the previous night if they find themselves with a need for good programming prior to this hour.
		Well, California did it.
		As protesters jeered, hell no, we won't pay.
		Oh, yes, Will.
		California regulators approved electricity rate increases up to 46% Tuesday to head off blackouts this summer and keep the state's two biggest utilities from going under.
		Oh, but technology never fails, does it?
		Right?
		Technology, we can depend on that.
		The increases approved 5 to 0, no dissenters by the PUC, are the biggest in California history and take effect immediately for the 25 million people served by Pacific Gas and Electric Company and Southern California Edison.
		Would you be on one of those?
		Probably.
		The Commission President, Loretta Lynch, said, Lynch, huh?
		The PUC has done all it can.
		We fought back hard in every venue possible against these unjustly energy prices.
		Unjustly high, I guess it would be.
		PUC also ordered the utilities to pay the state for billions of dollars of electricity it has bought on behalf of their customers.
		Just how much is not known?
		The state has not disclosed how much it has spent.
		To keep all of you power-hungry Californians satiated, satisfied.
		Anyway, so they've done it and there will be a provision to force electricity hogs.
		Are you a hog?
		I wonder where they define hogishness when it comes to electricity.
		If your bill is over $50 a month, are you a hog?
		If it's over $100, are you a hog?
		What about, well, $300?
		You'd probably be a hog, wouldn't you?
		And you know at $500, you're doing something wrong.
		Oink.
		So, they went and did it.
		Congratulations, California.
		And now, for anybody smugly sitting out there saying, well, I'm not in California, let them rotten hell out there.
		Anything done in California is going to make its way across the United States.
		You can depend on that.
		So, your meter, too, will take on a life of its own.
		By the way, we were talking about the blurring of meters.
		And I noticed CNN, when they're doing the story on California's rate increase, they show this meter.
		The dials are going around and around and around real fast.
		So, there'll be no more blackouts, right?
		Technology never fails.
		Well, once in a while it does.
		Listen to this.
		Do you remember our guest last night talking about nuclear failure that we hadn't heard about?
		at San Onofre?
		Remember that?
		Well, now, just look at this.
		From the Nuclear Information and Resource Service, a significant accident February 3rd at Southern California's San Onofre No.
		3 nuclear power reactor is a major cause of the rolling blackouts that have plagued California this week.
unidentified		Would you listen to this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		According to published reports, California has lacked up to 800 megawatts of power during the blackout periods.
		When running at full power, San Onofre 3 produces 1,120 megawatts of electricity.
		Had the reactor been operating, the blackouts almost certainly would not have occurred.
		The accident occurred when a circuit breaker caused a fire that lasted, get this, nearly three hours.
		A loss of off-site power and a reactor scram.
		A related failure of an oil pump resulted in extensive damage to the plant's turbine.
		The reactor is expected to be shut down for repairs for at least three months.
		Although the utility claims no radiation was released, no nuclear safety issues involved, the Federal Nuclear Regulatory Commission sent a special inspection team to that plant to investigate the accident.
		The NRC met with the SCE officials today to go over their findings.
		The team's report is expected to be publicly released soon.
		Quote, This is a serious accident, end quote, which has gone virtually unnoticed in the daily attention given to california's electricity problems well well well well Isn't that interesting?
		But of course, technology never fails, right?
		Sounds pretty serious.
		Pretty serious, I would say, wouldn't you?
		Considering it didn't get any publicity and you probably had to hear it here.
		Just verification of what my guest said last night.
		And then there's this.
		Remember last night I told you about some sort of massive electromagnetic something up in Washington?
		Do you remember?
		It ended as suddenly and mysteriously as it had begun.
		The mass failure of keyless remote entry devices on thousands of vehicles in the Bremerton Port Orchard area ended abruptly at about 6.30 a.m.
		Monday as federal investigators had nearly isolated the source.
		A government official familiar with the investigation by the Federal Communications Commission said it is, quote, very possible, end quote, that the problem could be related to the military presence in the Bremerton area.
		The official who asked not to be identified said the abrupt disappearance of the interference could be related to the investigation.
		The outage was believed to be caused by some kind of rogue signal from electronic communications gear that interfered with the functioning of the popular keyless remote entries.
		So, pretty interesting, huh?
		Sure is interesting to me considering the massive electronic failure, electromagnetic pulse, whatever it was that we had here, and I guarantee you we had something of that exact same nature.
		Now, what do you suppose our military is out there doing anyway?
		These very specific areas, Perump, Nevada, Bremerton, Washington.
		How would you cause such a massive failure over such a large but yet actually geographically confined area?
		Such a specific area, you cause all electromagnetic stuff to begin to stop working.
		How do you do that?
		Well, I suspect that our military knows.
		Don't you?
		So the Federal Communications Commission hiked on up there and it got very close to the source of the trouble, but didn't quite get there because, can you imagine this?
		Just as the FCC is closing in on the source of the mystery, it quits.
		Listen to this.
		Dear Art, I work as a correctional officer at the Callum Bay Correctional Center.
		At 2255 hours or 10.55 p.m. on Friday, March 1st, we suddenly had sporadic power failures in the automatic lock systems in our CMU facility, Medium Security, and rumor has it elsewhere.
		The systems are on a separate power grid with generator backup.
		In addition, several portable radios carried by our officers suddenly lost all power and were drained completely.
		As if this was not enough, at least one CO's watch stopped dead at 22.55.
		This is due to the same EMP blast that affected Bremerton.
		Now, the interesting part of all this is the sporadic effects of the EMP blast that hit so many systems in our facility while at the same time not affecting others.
		For some reference, Callum Bay is on the northwestern corner of the Olympic Peninsula, nearly 100 miles away.
		no power disruptions reported in any of the cities between here and Bremerton.
unidentified		Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, he's got a friend on the USS, Carl Vincent, and his friend reported nothing at all unusual.
		The friend is an RF specialist in the communications area on that.
		Well, of course, he might not know.
		And I'm certainly not saying that that boat did it.
		But I am saying that something really, really, really weird is going on.
		Really weird.
		And it happened here, and it happened in Bremerton.
		And even our good Federal Communications Commission actually tracking it down, just as they get there, it stops.
		Just as they get near it, or very close, it abruptly quits.
		Kind of like the harp, only it wasn't harp signal on 3.39.
		Oh, what a world we live in today.
unidentified		Oh, what a world we live in today.
		The 7th, 2001.
		on art bell somewhere in time All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got new stuff for you on the website.
		Oh my, do I have some new stuff for you on the website?
		As usual, literally, well, I'll say 10 minutes before airtime tonight.
		And you know why this always happens?
		It happens because that's when I go through my last batch of email.
		I'm downloading email all day long.
		I get a good 1,500 to 2,000 emails a day.
		Well, the last batch I try and download just before airtime.
		And somebody has sent a photograph of, well, it's in Germany.
		And it reads, my friend Jonathan just got back from a tour of Europe.
		This photo was taken at a winery in Germany in the Mauselle Valley, is that it?
		That's M-O-S-E-L-L-E.
		Are they possibly ghosts?
		Many of his friends commented when they saw this photo, as I did, photo taken with ASA 400 Kodak film, 35 millimeter.
		It's genuine photo.
		I'd like to know your opinion.
		What is it?
		What are they?
		And it shows this building in Germany.
		And I swear to you, this reminds me so much of Ghostbusters, it's not even funny.
		The building kind of looks like the Ghostbusters thing when they were at one of these old buildings.
		And it's a really old building.
		Church, actually, I guess.
		And I take a look at what's coming out of the building.
		Just like in Ghostbusters, there's something coming out.
		That's a winery.
		It looks like a church, though.
		It looks exactly like a church.
		But it, in fact, is, of course, a winery and a very old one.
		And there is something drifting out of this building.
		Everybody that I've shown this to, two people, my wife, Ramona, and Keith, both said, wow, that's kind of interesting.
		So take a look.
		You go to my website.
		Let's see.
		How do you see it?
		Go to my website, www.arpel.com.
		Then you click on the What's New button on the left and Germany and Pyrotechnic Ghost.
		That's another one.
		And a bunch of other stuff up there.
		But the German photo I really want you to see, this really could be straight out of Ghostbusters.
		Straight out of Ghostbusters.
		Are American sleep-deprived workaholics with only about a third sleeping the recommended eight hours a day?
		And about 40% say they have trouble staying awake on the job, according to a poll released yesterday.
		The answer is yes.
		You are all sleep-deprived workaholics.
unidentified		That's an associated press.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, the person who sent this to me accused me of being one of the reasons.
		Sleep-deprived workaholics.
		And then this.
		Although Americans do not appear to be shunning meat, many seem to be confusing foot-and-mouth disease with a much rarer and more dangerous mad cow disease.
		Sure, I bet that's right.
		But mouth is harmless to people, but mad cow can be a fatal human brain condition.
		And people do need to understand the difference.
		But I guess with the barrage of news they're getting on hoof-and-mouth from Europe and mad cow, and then, you know, the thing in the back of their mind, they only half hear the news, most Americans anyway, about the sheep.
		You know, then I guess they're starting to freak out and not think real hard about it.
		I think that's called panic, right?
		Unknown object streaks across the night sky.
		Something lit up the night sky off the Southern California coast late Monday, but nobody can say for sure what it was.
		Initial reports were that a possible mid-air collision had occurred less than a mile out to sea from San Pedro, but thorough search of the area by the Coast Guard, sea vessels, and infrared-equipped aircraft turned up nothing.
		According to a local newswire, witnesses reported a brief flash near Angel's Gate at the breach in the breakwater leading into the port of Los Angeles short of the night.
		shortly before 830 p.m dispatcher for the coast guard said we got reports of the same thing from san luis bispo to san diego all up and down the coast a dock worker in san pedro told authorities he thought he had seen two airplanes collide los angeles fire department spokesman said it turned out that it was possibly some type
unidentified		meteorite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't mean to laugh but you know pull this story apart a little bit and look at it.
		You've got two objects coming together in a manner that caused people who viewed it to believe that two aircraft had just collided.
		It's seen up and down the coast but in the end they always say some kind of meteorite.
		How the hell do they know?
		They have no idea unless you actually get the rock the meteorite and hold it in your hand after it's cooled sufficiently because it's going to be real hot when it gets down.
		Unless you've got something like that then I don't I don't see how you could possibly say some kind of meteorite with reports like this but inevitably that is exactly the way all of these stories end.
		It drives me insane.
		Maybe maybe meteorite is among the possible choices to explain what this might have been.
		But it certainly isn't the only explanation is it?
		What do you think the odds are of meteorites coming in at different angles from space heating up turning into flaming objects that meteorites become and then
		then colliding in our atmosphere during the burn well i'd a whole lot rather try the california lottery than i would believe that but that typically is uh this sort of story all right faucets in central florida are going to run dry unless some heavy heavy rains get happening pretty quickly.
		There was a meeting Friday of the National Emergency Response Leaders discussing how to keep the water flowing in the face of what they're calling the state's worst drought in history.
		In history.
		So again, obviously, the weather is going south on us.
		The worst drought in the state's history.
		Joe Alba, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, met with the Florida Governor Jeb Bush to try and decide what to do if conditions don't improve.
		So they're literally saying that if conditions do not improve, you may, if you're in Florida, that part of Florida, you may turn on your faucets and nothing might come out.
		Oh, but not to worry because technology never fails.
		Right?
		I'm Art Bell.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 27, 2001.
		Girl, to hold in my arms and know the magic of her charms.
		Cause I want girls to call my own.
		Dream lover, so I don't have to dream more.
		Dream lover, where are you with a love for so true?
		And the hand that I can hold with you here as I grow old.
		For the whole girl to call my own.
		I wanna dream of home so I don't have to dream of home someday.
		I'll you, but you have love you miss whatever happened to my love.
		I wish I had faith in love, but you could say you'd be a little bit of a city.
		Can you hear me, darling?
		Can you hear me?
		It's so it.
		The love you gave me, nothing left to save me.
		It's so it.
		When you're gone, how can I even try to go on?
		When you're gone, go outside.
		How can I carry on?
		How can I carry on?
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 27, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is never, ever going to be another group like ABBA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The power.
unidentified		The harmony.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of it.
		There's never going to be another ABBA.
		My guest tonight, haha, Matthew Stein, and he has written a book called When Technology Fails.
		The low-tech guide to self-reliance and planetary survival.
		So we'll talk to Matthew about when technology does fail, because obviously, it does fail, doesn't it?
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
unidentified		27th, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Into the dark night of unscreen calls we go.
		Anything that's on your mind is going to be fair game, and there could be a lot on your mind.
		Boy, there has been so much going on, hasn't there?
		So it should be interesting hearing what we do, and that is what he's going to tell us, by the way, what we do when technology fails.
		But it never fails.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		I gotcha.
		It's Kathy from Woodbridge.
		You probably thought I passed away.
		Kathy, it has been at least book signing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm glad your alien arrived safely to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see a picture of him?
unidentified		I did.
		I went to a friend's house today and got in and got to see it.
		And what is it made out of?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's made out of hard wood.
unidentified		That's what I thought of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it weighs a ton.
		And its name is Carville.
		And, you know, several people wrote to me and said they thought that Russia named it Carville because of James Carville.
		And they sent pictures of James Carville.
		And actually, when you look at James Carville, he does kind of resembles an alien.
unidentified		Yes, he does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, not entirely an alien, just pretty alien.
unidentified		Well, let me not take too much of your time, and let me make sure I give you some information.
unidentified		Did you see a commercial for Christina Applegate's new movie?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Okay, you're going to be very interested in it.
		She talked about this a year ago in Regis, and I never got to tell you.
		The movie's called Just Visiting, and it is about time travel.
		Oh, oh, oh, oh.
		I'd say nothing more.
		I shouldn't give away anymore, but you're going to love it.
		See if you can get her on.
		Maybe she'll talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've always wanted to interview her anyway.
unidentified		No, there's something, I think she was sending a signal to you from Regis Last year, because the only thing she would tell Regis is the movie wasn't done and it was about time travel.
unidentified		And he wasn't interested at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's funny, I heard Meg Ryan just did one about time travel.
		Yeah.
		That's true also?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we've got all kinds of time travel.
unidentified		This would be great.
		And I just rented a movie and it was called Red Planet.
		Oh, yes.
		This is not one for Mr. Golden.
		He's not going to like this movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		And, you know, Phil, you'll see it if you didn't see it already.
unidentified		But Richard isn't going to like it too much either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't please all people all the time.
unidentified		Well, I found it quite interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll take a look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen it yet.
unidentified		One quick thing.
		I want to give myself kudos.
		Wednesday before New Year's Eve, they did a prediction show on ABC.
		One of my predictions was the snow that weekend, some earthquakes, and a little cute one about Art Bell coming back in March.
		I was off by, I guess, a month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you really predict?
unidentified		Yes, I didn't.
unidentified		It's in the archives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		You can find them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		All right.
		Bye-bye, Art Bell.
		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Providence, Rhode Island.
		Yes.
		I wanted to tell you that time travel does work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do you know?
unidentified		I think I did it.
unidentified		Well, I didn't do it, but I went for the ride.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's hear it.
unidentified		Well, two friends of mine, they go to a local college, and what they did was they took three generators and they synchronized it with some kind of magnetic field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I didn't believe them.
unidentified		And I said, this will never work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you could use generators to power a magnetic field.
unidentified		I don't know how they did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so anyway, these three friends had generators were generating a magnetic field and what?
unidentified		Well, according to them, I disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You disappeared?
unidentified		Yes, I was the guinea pig.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did they get you to volunteer?
unidentified		I didn't believe them.
		I thought they were nuts.
		I thought they were crazy.
		I thought they were out of their mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so...
		So, now wait a minute.
		Let me get this straight.
		You think they're out of their minds.
		They're crazy.
		And you're going to stand in the middle of it.
unidentified		Well, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it a little like that?
		I mean, here you go strolling into the middle.
		You think they're out of their minds.
		They say, stand over there, right?
unidentified		Well, yeah, sort of.
		I had to sit in a triangulated, I don't know, like a...
		It's sort of like diamond-shaped telephone booth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A diamond-shaped telephone booth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who are these three friends of yours, anyway?
unidentified		Well, you know what?
unidentified		I'd rather not say no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they want to talk?
unidentified		Well, I asked them.
		I said, you know, I'm going to go public with this.
		And they didn't really say anything after that.
		They were really kind of worried now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're worried that you were going to first.
unidentified		Well, no, they were worried that it worked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but I mean about your going public.
unidentified		Well, in a way, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they know you're doing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they obviously haven't killed you to stop you?
unidentified		No, I don't think so.
unidentified		But it was really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got real cojones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't, you know, if I thought somebody was crazy and I saw a big electrical apparatus and generators and an electromagnetic field, no doubt wound wire like crazy and a big mechanism and they'd say sit there and you sat there?
unidentified		It didn't look that bad.
unidentified		They did a test run.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And I didn't see anything happen.
unidentified		And I just heard a little bit of noise, some humming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like when you take an MRI, you'll hear a little humming.
unidentified		Yeah, something like that, I suppose.
		And according to what they say, I disappeared.
		And then I showed up in a forest somewhere.
		I don't know where.
		I can't tell you where.
		I have no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They say you showed up in a forest, or you're saying you showed up in a forest?
unidentified		I'm saying I showed up in a forest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so then here's the way it went.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One second, you were in the triangle, and the next second you were in a forest.
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where was this forest?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so in other words, you popped back?
unidentified		Yes, then I came back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much were you able to see?
		You say you were in a forest.
		You were just boom, suddenly there, and then gone, or were you there to study it a little bit or what?
unidentified		Maybe approximately, I don't know, a minute, two minutes, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a lot of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you must have been just sort of standing there going, bam, a forest.
unidentified		Yeah, it was speechless.
		Words can't describe.
		You don't believe what you're going to do, and then all of a sudden you take off, and you wind up somewhere else in the blink of an eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're like that kid on the commercial that'll eat anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I forget his name.
unidentified		Mikey.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But listen, I would really like to talk to your friends.
unidentified		All right, maybe I can have them call you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you have a chat with them and put it this way to them?
		Look, I blew the whole story wide open on Art Bell's show, and he'd like to interview you and find out what you did to Mikey.
		All right?
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you contact me by email, artbell at mindspring.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I promise you, if you send me an email, title it Time Travel, I'll read it and contact you and contact them, and we'll get the rest of the story.
unidentified		Very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much.
		Wow.
		What are we on to here?
		In New England yet.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I'd like to talk with Art Bill if I could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
unidentified		Oh, this is Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I've got a couple things I want to tell you about HARP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		One thing, first Thing is, you mentioned something other than I about you didn't understand why Boeing was leaving Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seattle, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, well, there's about five or six reasons why that could be.
		And I can give them to you if you want, but you probably know most of them.
		The cost of doing business in this state is terribly high, almost more than any other state, I think.
		The union is out of control here on wages and so forth.
		And transportation is absolutely awful.
		They can't transport their...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was only a year or two ago that major magazines were naming Seattle as one of the best places in the United States that anybody could live in.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess you don't want to get named the best place.
unidentified		Well, all these things are absolutely happening.
		They can't do business here and transport the goods from Renton area up to Everett area.
		There's just no way that it takes an hour to get anywhere out here.
		The drought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got one for you.
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have Nick Begich on the air for a whole show next week.
		Next week.
		There's so much going on with electromagnetic.
		I think my wife thinks weapons.
unidentified		Oh, you got it down because it's exactly what I was going to tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we're weapons testing, don't you?
unidentified		That's exactly what's going here.
		I was going to tell you in the Seattle Times, I've got some articles here in front of me that says, as an example, in today's paper, it says that Boeing is trying to get a contract for $320 billion for what they're calling a joint strike fighter.
		That's all about the bull.
		It's harp right down the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, these electromagnetic pulses are pretty weird.
		Thank you very much.
		And, I don't know, Boeing.
		Could they be involved in something like that?
		What is it they say about animals?
		They never poop where they eat, right?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		This is Jim in East Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jim.
unidentified		My question is, and incidentally, oh, welcome back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Do you have a scheduled visit yet by Bonnie Crystal?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
unidentified		Not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bonnie is really, really busy right now.
unidentified		Oh, I want to hear more descriptions of her trips down deep below the surface of the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she's been toiling with a lab coat on real hard every day, all day, late into the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when she gets a little free of work, we'll do it.
unidentified		She'll have a lot to report.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, she will.
		Thank you very much.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Jason Prump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jason.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing.
unidentified		You're doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing.
unidentified		It's good to have you back, partner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Hey, I wanted to get an update on the canine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean K-N-Y-E?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, coming up, Jason.
		Listen on the air.
		Jason would be interested in that because he lives here in Perrump.
		Well, let's see.
		What is the update?
		We have the construction permit.
		We're putting up an FM station here in Perrump, Nevada.
		And we have the construction permit to do so.
		We are presently seeking a tower modification simple little thing from the Federal Communications Commission.
		And as soon as we get that, we will begin actual physical construction of KNYE.
		KNYE even has a sit-in-place website.
		Nothing on it, but we've got a cute little website there.
		It's KNYE.com.
		So that's the update.
		It should be quick.
		We get this tower modification thing, and away we go.
		And oh, there is this.
		It's going to be all talk.
		We thought really hard about that.
		And there is really a good oldies station here where I live now.
		And they can be heard for, I don't know, hundreds of miles in each direction.
		I mean, they're awesome.
		93.1 here.
		And so there's no point in competing with them.
		They're doing it the right way now.
		It's one of the best I've ever heard.
		So instead, we're going to do the obvious.
		We're going to make it a talk station.
		And have Rush and Laura, myself, scattered others.
		You never know, all kinds of things, but it's going to be a talk station.
		I guess in the end, how could it have been anything else?
		So that's your update.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing, Mr. Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doing anything?
		Radios off.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Sacramento, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		The energy deprived.
		So many things.
		The fireballs that you see are spectral analysis experiments.
		They started with the extraterrestrials, and then, of course, our government picks them up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how would you know that?
unidentified		I've been abducted since I was seven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you now?
unidentified		39.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many times a year?
unidentified		I have no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give me an average.
unidentified		Probably once a week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, 52 times a year for all those years?
unidentified		Well, maybe even more than that, actually.
		It's sort of...
		Well, you don't really notice it the way they do it.
		Basically, what they do is they come in and do a backup of your brain.
		So you don't even really know what's happening.
		It's just kind of...
		Exactly.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a concept.
		That's some concept when you think about it.
		They download your brain.
unidentified		Right.
		You know, they watch you from afar, and they have no problem doing that.
		And then they want to see what you're thinking as you're going through your daily routine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine after they've done that how long it would take to defrag?
unidentified		Believe me, believe me.
		Oh, I also want to say it's an honor and a pleasure.
		I've been listening to you.
		Even when you were off The air, I still would remember what you said, and I'm a fellow radio disc jockey myself here.
		Only on cable radio, but that's another story.
		Oh, interesting.
		You've heard of Feng Shui before, correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		My dad recently passed away in December, and so I moved into the house, and I've been fixing it up, and it was total chaos when I moved in.
		And one of the things I did is I went around and I blessed and absorbed all the negative energy, and I was going to flush it down the toilet, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The energy?
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The energy?
unidentified		Yes.
		All the negative energy.
		I just collected it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like a dead goldfish, huh?
unidentified		Pretty much.
		And boom, right?
		Guess what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It clogs up.
unidentified		I had to pay $100, but I felt so much better after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The energy clogged up your drain?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I got the receipt right here from, what is it, Rapid Router Patrol or Drain Patrol or whatever it is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's one of those.
unidentified		Drain Patrol.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you had to call the Drain Busters.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when they came to drain apart and they found the energy, what did they say?
unidentified		It was just a little ball of roots is what they said was the clog.
		But, you know, I mean...
		With a four-inch line and a ball of roots that would have fit inside a large thimble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, are you sure in your mind now that when you flush the energy, that's the exact time that the clog occurred?
unidentified		Oh, yes, absolutely.
		I've been here four months.
		And it's the first time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me.
		How did you, once you gathered up the bad energy from the house, well, I mean, how did you keep it in one place?
		Energy is so mesoteric.
unidentified		I transferred it into my urine.
		In fact, I didn't want to go that far, but anyway, I transferred it into my urine.
		I've been drinking coffee all morning and thought, okay, this is it.
		I'll do this.
		And then I went into the bathroom.
		It took a week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you should say then you eliminated the energy.
unidentified		Right.
		I trapped it and then eliminated it through the toilet.
		And when I flushed, it didn't flush.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's all that was in there.
		I mean, you didn't do anything else?
		Nope.
unidentified		Nothing different.
		Same thing I've been doing for four months.
		And I had to call Roto Rooter.
		I spent all day or all night last night and all day today until about 2 o'clock plunging and sticking things in there and trying to get it to drain and everything you could imagine and nothing was working.
		So they came in and spent about an hour with their biggest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you had to call the pros.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But again, they found something more approximating, a hairball.
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much.
		About that size.
		I do have long hair, but believe me, it wasn't a hairball.
		But anyway, I just thought that was kind of interesting.
		The other thing is that's for the...
		Well, the political crisis here or the electrical crisis here in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		Okay.
		It's all a big scam, and we all know this, and they're going to try to blame it on computers before it's all done.
		But one thing, with electric vehicles, you know, remember Tesla's sending electricity right via the airwaves as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, right through the air, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		So what you do is you use an amplified AM signal and you use a modified speaker that bounces a piston that's actually a coil that runs a generator in your electric vehicle.
		So basically what you have is little solar-powered AM transfer stations that send out a pulse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		You know what?
		I'm thinking on one of my open line shows pretty soon, I'm going to do a mad scientist night.
unidentified		I need it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would really qualify.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So call me, all right?
unidentified		I absolutely will.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Technology never fails, right?
		Wrong.
		I'm Mark Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		Assume the position.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 27, 2001.
		Really wanna see you.
		Really wanna feel you.
		I really want to see you, Lord, but it takes so long, my love.
		Nothing but a heart ain't never a danger, nothing but a heart ain't never a danger.
		Nothing but a heart ain't never a danger, nothing but a heart ain't never a danger.
		I really want to see you, Lord, but it takes so long, my love.
		Nothing but a heart ain't never a danger, nothing but a heart ain't never a danger.
		I really want to see you, Lord, but it takes so long, my love.
		It takes so long, my love.
		I really want to see you, Lord, but it takes so long, my love.
		I really want to see you, Lord, but it takes so long, my love.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired March 27th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Well, my guest coming up in a moment is going to be Matthew Stein, who wrote When Technology Fails, the low-tech guide to self-reliance and planetary survival.
		That's coming up, but technology never fails, right?
		We'll cover a little bit of that, and I'll catch those who are joining this hour up in a moment, and then away we will go when technology fails.
unidentified		you can depend on it.
		Coast A. I'm with George Norrie.
		You know, we abruptly stopped going to the moon.
		30-plus years where we haven't been back.
		What do you think happened?
		Why did they just stop?
		When the Americans finally did land on the moon, they were actually chased off by exoterrestrials saying, Excuse me, what are you doing here?
		Get off.
		This is our place.
		And probably scared the hell out of them.
		That poses the question.
		Who are these EPs?
		And we need to start digging a bit deeper.
		Now we take you back to the night of March 27, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		The End All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Matthew Stein, who wrote a book called When Technology Fails, The Low-Tech Guide to Self-Reliance and Planetary Survival.
		In the book, Matthew offers common sense advice and guidelines on how to prepare and cope with the inevitable disruptions, both natural and man-made, that are occurring and predicted to occur and increase in frequency.
		Matthew Stein is an advocate of developing sustainable lifestyles, has researched and developed a directory of resources and instructional guides to deal with global and local changes that are affecting food, water, energy, shelter, health, and communications, as well as essential goods and services.
		The guide provides something for everyone, from parents who want to help their families when disaster strikes, as it seems to do more frequently now, to the go-it-alone survivalist, and then the echo-minded person who wishes to tread more lightly on Mother Earth, whatever the future may hold.
		That's kind of an outline of the book.
		And I did want to read this to my audience here in the second hour of the program.
		The headline is, remember Bremerton.
		Remember all the remote keyless devices that stopped working?
		Headline is, outages stop, but mystery remains.
		It ended as suddenly and mysteriously as it began.
		The mass failure of keyless remote entry devices on thousands of vehicles in the Bremerton Port Orchard area ended abruptly at about 6.30 a.m.
		Monday as federal investigators, FCC people, had nearly isolated the source.
		A government official familiar with the investigation by the Federal Communications Commission said it is, quote, very possible, end quote, that the problem could be related to the military presence in the Bremerton area.
		The official who asked not to be identified said the abrupt disappearance of the interference could be related to the investigation.
		The outage was believed to have been caused by some kind of rogue signal from electronic communications gear that interfered with the functioning of the popular keyless remote entries.
		But just in that area.
		Weird stuff, huh?
		All right, here is Matthew Stein.
		Matthew, welcome to the program.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me on the show, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Honored to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's good to have you.
		It's hard to know where to start.
		It always is, Matthew.
		And I guess you view all kinds of things as coming.
		I certainly do.
		I know that you talk about the weather and earthquakes and all kinds of things that may be coming.
		What launched you into writing this book, When Technology Fails?
		Why?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's a question a lot of people ask me.
		I never considered myself a survivalist.
		I've certainly, like I think many other people on the planet right now, have an uneasy feeling about what might be around in the future.
		But essentially, for about 20 years, I've had a morning practice of prayer and meditation, and I'm a design engineer.
		I have an MIT degree.
		And I've often kind of asked for solutions to problem, difficult design problems.
		And I've, you know, whether it's just my subconscious or somebody on a, you know, a guide in another plane helping me out in my meditations, I've often received patentable solutions to my difficult design problems.
		About three years ago, totally out of the blue and completely unrelated to anything I'd ever thought of doing in the past, I received a title, scope, and a full outline for this book in an instantaneous flash of inspiration.
		So it was at the moment that it came to me, my first thought was, I can't possibly do this.
		This is a huge scope, and how could I do this?
		And sort of the intuitional voice sort of said, well, you know, if not you, who?
		And then I had the skills, the technical skills, and the communication and writing skills and the research skills to put this project together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how did that message come to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said it was instantaneous regarding the name of the book, I guess, and the mission of the book.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Well, it basically was kind of like an outline, only it was more like a picture form and a thought.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it wasn't like the voice of God in the book, the Bible, speaking to Moses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No burning books or bushes.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		No, no burning books and bushes.
		No, you know, voice of Charlton Heston out in the clouds or anything.
		It was more like one moment it wasn't there and nothing like it was there in my mind.
		And the next moment, an entire picture and scope and sort of outline of what a book was supposed to do, kind of like a hologram, sort of it had a picture of everything.
		So certainly I had to go through all the effort of doing the research and the writing, but it was kind of like the big picture was there one moment and the moment before it wasn't there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you call this, you wouldn't call it divine intervention, would you?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Well, put it this way.
		There wasn't a signature that said this is Jesus speaking or this is God speaking, but it clearly felt like a higher power of some sort, a higher inspiration, some kind of divine inspiration came through and said kind of more like instead of this is my idea,
		this is my task, sort of like we on this side, on this, whatever side the inspiration comes from, where did Mozart play his music from, you know, I mean, et cetera, where does, how does one person on one side of the world have the Nobel Prize and share it with someone on the exact opposite side of the world for research that discovered the exact same new, brand new thing was done by totally unrelated people and totally unrelated parts of the world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Matthew, I'll sure give you this.
		A lot of people have the feeling that something big is pending.
		Something big lies around the corner and that, you know, everything's speeding up and we're really headed toward an event or events, that something's really coming down, put simply.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I do believe that we're headed for a series of events and possibly culminating in some major event.
		I have been, as I've been writing the book, I'd start my day with kind of asking for guidance and direction.
		And basically, I would rewrite everything I'd written the day before and then write some more.
		And I did receive some specific instructions and information as I wrote this.
		and some of the information I've received has been that there's going to be a large number of people who are going to need this book, maybe not tomorrow or the next day, maybe not even for a few years, but that in the not very distant future, probably within 10 years, there's going to be large numbers of people who are going to need this.
		And in the meantime, there's going to be smaller numbers of people for isolated events that are definitely going to, What are you talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of scale?
		We are a very, very, very, very technological nation in America.
		So what do you mean by that?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Well, on the small scale, it's a rolling blackout or something.
		It's still relatively small, and that the blackout's over in a little while, and things go back to normal.
		On a larger scale, something like a massive hurricane like Hurricane Andrews or an earthquake, a significant earthquake like the Chilean earthquake in the 1960s, if something like that came through the L.A. Basin, it would be years before,
		instead of basically snarling traffic and making things rather unpleasant for a lot of people and having a few hundred people have to bulldoze their homes, you'd have bridges down all over, you'd have business shut down, you'd have everything like Kobe, Japan.
		It would just be, the city would be wasted for many years to come.
		It would take many years to recover from an earthquake that was just a simple single point larger than the earthquake that ran through Northridge a few years back or the earthquake, the MoMA Prieta earthquake in the Bay Area.
		Many people don't realize a single point on an earthquake scale is a factor of 10.
		And when you have a building that's on the threshold of falling down, a factor of 10 can make the difference between minor damage and having to do the bulldoze remodel.
unidentified		Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On a larger scale...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by that I mean if you had visions of a disaster or a specific disaster, if it is as specific as you're saying now, then I want to know that.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I have not had a specific vision of a future, but I have certainly I've accepted the possibility of something like the electromagnetic pulse from sunspots or some kind of solar event as possibly frying electronics in the world.
		That would be the larger side, certainly, of scaling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In that case, Matthew, you will be no doubt interested to know that right now we are having one of the largest solar events in recent history.
		That right now, the solar count is at, well, it's way above 300, approaching probably 350, they're bracing for major class X flares, and the sun is just going poutwaki and spitting at us and spitting at us.
		That's within the last few days.
		Just thought I would sort of underscore what you just said about the sun.
		Did you know that?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I didn't realize that that was going on at this moment in time.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I'd heard something about X higher than normal solar activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real high.
		Real high right now, Matthew.
		Real high right now.
		The sun just went through a polarization flip, oh, I don't know, about four weeks ago, I think now.
		And now on the other side of that flip, it's really going berserko.
		And so, you know, there are scientists in Israel, Matthew, who believe that the dinosaurs were not killed by some big rock that smacked into Earth, but rather by a sudden flaring of our sun and radiation.
		Do you know that?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've also heard the possibility simply of a pole shift and causing a change in the radiation belts around the planet that allowed a huge amount of solar radiation to come down to the planet that the dinosaurs couldn't handle.
		I mean, there's a lot of different theories and possibilities.
		Certainly something like that is a possibility in my future, though I don't claim to have received specific inside information on that.
		But I do believe I've been told that more and more people will be needing this book, both from the point of view of helping to become more sustainable on the planet and also from the point of view of being prepared in the event that some mid-range or long-range disruption in technology happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've also talked about the weather.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the weather is from a just, and again, this is Strictly from a scientific point of view and a systems point of view, if you look at the weather in terms of global warming and in terms of what we're doing to the planet to disrupt what's been a very stable system for at least recent geological history, then strictly from a scientific point of view, we don't really know what it's like we're experimenting.
		It's a big, giant experiment with planet Earth.
		We're pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases.
		We've deforested half of the planet, and the trees act as a giant shock absorbers that help stabilize the system.
		And we've cut, we basically, imagine if you took the shock absorbers off of one side of your car and drove down the road, what kind of response you'd get out of your car.
		You know, you'd hit a corner and you'd bounce like crazy and you'd have terrible time staying on the road.
		Essentially, we're doing that to the planet right now.
		We're changing major variables like shock absorbers in the planet by both screwing around with the atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases and by deforesting the planet.
		And we don't really know what the response is going to be other than that we know it's going to be far more unstable and increasingly unstable as time goes on.
		And what that means is we're going to see bigger storms, worse droughts, worse, you know, hotter hots, colder colds.
		You're just going to see crazy weather and increasingly wider swings and fluctuations of weather across the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a story here now that suggests Central Florida, if the drought continues in Central Florida, they're saying soon people will turn on their faucets there and nothing's going to come out.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		I think people have gotten, since World War II in this country, people have become very used to a stable, reliable infrastructure that they could depend upon.
		You know, the electricity pretty much flowed all the time or most all the time.
		The gasoline flows, the trucks flow, the trains flow.
		Everyone has gotten used to everything working very nicely and smoothly.
		And I believe that we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg right now with things.
		The pendulum is swinging the other way.
		And with what we're doing to the systems of the planet, you're going to see much, much worse swings in the pendulum in future years.
		I think in 10 years you'll look back at this time and say, boy, we thought it was bad then.
		That was nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and then there's man-made stuff, too.
		If that's not, it probably is in part at least.
		North Korea's state radio warned America yesterday that the scrapping of a 1994 agreement to help Korea build nuclear reactors would amount to, in quotes, a declaration of war.
		No, that's what I do.
		I laugh, too.
		We get all these things, and so a declaration of war.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know why we shouldn't be providing North Korea with nuclear reactors.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, doesn't that seem like a smart thing to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, we agreed to give them nuclear reactors, and so basically what they're saying to us is if you're going to be an Indian giver, it's an act of war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least that's the way I read this.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Does that mean that they're going to launch their few nuclear weapons back at us if we don't give them more nuclear reactors?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me read some more.
		It says, under the accord, America agreed to provide North Korea with two light water nuclear reactors and 500,000 tons of heavy oil a year.
		That would be every year until completion of the project.
		And in exchange, North Korea was to abandon its nuclear missile program.
		So if we're Indian givers, I guess they start building missiles again or putting them back online, and it is an act of war.
		That might fall under the category of one of the things that could occur, Matthew?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Well, it always, I mean, I'm an engineer.
		I've been designing products and machines for almost 25 years now.
		And it always amazes me how non-engineers have such faith in technology.
		I mean, when you think back to Ronald Reagan, he just had this wonderful faith that us engineers and scientists could provide this magic blanket that would never fail and would work perfectly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		SBI.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it would Star Wars, you know, that would cover the planet.
		And just like in the movie Star Trek, we have our shields up and everything would be fine.
		But the reality was that it was far cheaper to just make more weapons to totally overload Star Wars.
		It was like a thousand times cheaper just to make more weapons to get through the shield than it was to make the shield.
		And when something like simple, like an O-ring, can cause the failure of the space shuttle, then you can understand that these are incredibly complex systems that are running this planet right now.
		And it doesn't take much to make them fail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about nuclear reactors?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was really quite amazed last night.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I was listening when you were talking to Mr. Washingman, and he mentioned about San Onofre.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then you heard the story I read about what apparently really happened at San Onofre.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was quite serious.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I'm actually talking about Three Mile Island.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Three Mile Island Island.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I mean, to hear that Three Mile Island had melted 90% of the fuel had gone into meltdown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		And that they don't know.
		They cannot figure out why it didn't turn into a Chernobyl.
		I mean, can you imagine there would be no nuclear program in this country, that's for sure, if Three Mile Island had been a Chernobyl and we had had blowing winds of radioactive gases floating all over the country, you know, driving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would have been no Art Bell because I was real close to it.
		You may have heard that last night.
		I was there and I was listening to the local radio reports.
		Hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour, Matthew.
		We'll be right back.
		Matthew Stein is here.
		I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, so technology obviously does fail.
		We were talking about Three Mile Island and you made a very good point.
		Many times when it fails, they don't really tell us about it.
		And then even reference the one I was reading about San Onofre.
		It's always a nothing report.
		When you first hear it, it doesn't even, you know, page 43, a nothing report.
		But then it turns out it was a big deal after all.
		So, yeah, these things do fail, don't they?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and as an engineer, I'm amazed that things don't fail more often, to be honest with you.
		I mean, it takes a tremendous, when you get a real complex system, it takes just a huge amount of effort on a large team of people.
		And in spite of your best efforts, things still do fail.
		You know, it's not a perfect world.
		Some of the other ways it might fail that a lot of people don't think about is, for instance, it's failing in many ways in the health systems right now.
		When you look at mad cow disease, hoof and mouth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		When you consider that we're feeding huge amounts of antibiotics, roughly 10 times as much goes to animals as goes to people.
		So what we're doing is we're creating a breeding ground for antibiotic resistant bugs within our livestock around the planet.
		And with the constant use kind of, they're starting to back off on it now because they're realizing a lot of the antibiotics that used to be the wonder magic pills, kind of the medical fantasy of the magic pill, magic bullet that destroys the bug perfectly.
		A lot of our wonderful antibiotics are now useless for the most part because of the overuse of antibiotics.
		So one of the chapters in my book deals with alternative healing technologies, colloidal silver, grapefruit seed extract, herbal protein.
		prayer a whole variety of different methods and certainly even today without any external apparent failure of technology there are many people experiencing health problems that are not responding to traditional medicines and they could find a lot of value and benefit within that chapter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well a lot of these bugs that you talked about that are developed despite the newest and greatest antibiotics that are fed to these animals also species jump.
		So you know they go from the animals to the humans.
		So far they say not true with the hood and mouth, but of course mad cow that's a whole different story that has species jumped and literally eats our brains alive.
		I mean that sounds horrible, but that's what it does.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Well and certainly you know there's there's the contention that AIDS was grown in the lab as part of a biological warfare experiment.
		There's also the Rolling Stone article contention that AIDS came from through monkeys in Africa and was imported as part of by accident because how do you look for something that you don't know exists that it actually came as out of the cultures that were growing vaccines and was then spread around Africa in the early smallpox or in the latest smallpox vaccinations that,
		quote, eradicated smallpox on the planet, that possibly that was responsible for spreading AIDS.
		But in any way, in any event, there are alternative therapies that appear to be very effective against AIDS.
		But if they are not patentable and don't have potential to make lots of money, then there's not much, there's no effort really put into research on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Matthew, how many patents do you hold?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Somewhere around 10.
		I keep getting these notices in the mail that congratulations and why don't you spend a lot of money and buy some plaques because another one of your patents has just gone through.
		So without actually logging on and seeing which patents that were pending have come through, it's somewhere around 10.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Not very impressive compared to 500 for Benjamin Franklin or Delhi for Edison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's 10 more than I have.
		I'll tell you.
		10 more than I have.
		And what sort of things have you patented?
		Just out of curiosity.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I'm a gun for hire.
		I do product and machine design on an independent basis, so quite a variety.
		I was director of engineering for Haas company, and they make safety equipment and drinking fountains.
		So I have a number of both design and utility patents.
		One, for instance, on a blending, feel-safe blending system, again, to prevent technology from failing, which provides copious amounts of warm water for chemical drenches.
		And for instance, a guy's in a chemical plant in Alberta, and he gets concentrated nitric acid, a fitting blows, and it blows nitric acid onto his Nomex vest, and it splashes up under his face shield all over his face.
		And so he went into one of my polar showers and gets a warm drench to save his face.
		Otherwise, he would have been a Phantom of the Opera kind of guy.
		So I have several patents in that area.
		I have a patent on a special stacking mechanism for dollar bills and things for the gaming industry that can handle everything from a small ticket to a very large bill from Europe, you know, really big, much bigger than an American dollar bill, and with one mechanism that can handle all of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's like putting the PAL and the NTSC standard together somehow.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then I've got patents on things like a new utility lighter, kind of like the new child lock mechanism for utility lighter, the lighters you light your barbecue with.
		So they really cover quite a variety of things.
		I've designed everything from disk drives to fiberglass buildings to drinking fountains to telephone headsets, to 30-foot-long assembly machines, quite a variety of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Well, then you would know about technology.
		That's for sure.
		There are people who crunch numbers on this sort of thing, on complex systems.
		And they can actually almost predict, I think, when complex systems are likely to fail or in what period of time there's likely to be a failure.
		Isn't that true?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's statistical analysis.
		That's kind of like earthquake prediction.
		It's sort of they look at patterns and they look at the statistics and the complexity of things and they can come up with a percent chance of failure, which essentially means that there's always a chance of failure.
		Like there's always a chance anywhere in the world of a super earthquake coming along and just knocking every building down.
		But in many parts of the world, the statistical chance is very minuscule, but it doesn't mean it can't happen.
		A lot of people don't realize the largest earthquake on record in America happened in the Mississippi, you know, happened in Missouri, changed the course of the Mississippi River for 100 miles and knocked down chimneys 500 miles away in Cincinnati, Ohio.
		So it's a statistical prediction.
		It's not like seeing something in a vision.
		In other words, it doesn't really tell you when it's going to happen.
		It just gives you a percent idea of the chance it might happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So you were inspired one way or the other, and we don't even have to know, to write this book.
		And this book does what?
		It says, if these things happen, if the weather really becomes awful, untenable, if there's a massive earthquake, if there's a flood, a drought, whatever it is, war even, I suppose.
		That's correct.
		Here's what you can do.
		So you've been on the here's the problem and here's the solution side of it, right?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		The book offers a wide variety of advice and solutions for everything from preparing.
		There's a good chapter on emergency preparations.
		Say you want to be prepared in the event that things go down for two or three days or maybe a week.
		It helps you decide kind of what level of preparation you wish to be at.
		And it's not just about emergency preparations.
		It also covers things like green building technologies, how to build buildings which use less raw materials, contribute less to global warming, contribute less to deforestation, things like rammed earth, straw bale, modern adobe, passive solar design.
		It also has a chapter on helping you to evaluate it in your own energy independence and plan and design a system to become more energy independent using renewable energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well you say here be your own independent power company.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		That's correct.
		So you can, using the chapter, each chapter is very practical.
		It gives you practical how-to information and introductory information.
		And then it also provides you with a resource guide to the best books and sources for information and materials on the topic covered by the chapter.
		So for instance, in the energy chapter, it gives you basic tools to evaluate your energy needs to kind of start planning a renewable energy system, a solar system.
		Perhaps you have decent wind in your area.
		It helps you Evaluate if it's going to be worth investing in wind or not.
		Perhaps you have a creek and mini hydro or micro hydro might be the way to go.
		So the chapter gives you a really good introduction to renewable energy systems and what you might be able to do in your own place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you said a creek, that's interesting.
		And you said mini hydro.
		That's interesting too.
		If you had a creek running in your backyard or near you, what could you actually do with that?
		What would be possible?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you're really lucky, and let's face it, very few of us are going to be in this position, but you might.
		If you had a creek that say had 10 or 20 feet of elevation drop across your property, then you could make, and you had a modest gallon flow, then you could make a small dam on it and run a pipe down and go through a micro-hydro turbine.
		And that could provide you with totally free energy.
		It would be, you know, runs 24 hours a day.
		It's not like the sun.
		You know, if you have a creek, it's a year-round creek.
		It doesn't dry up.
		You've got energy night and day, 24 hours a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that would generate enough energy to run a house?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little boulder dam in your backyard.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		A very mini, mini boulder dam.
		Now, the other thing, if you had a creek that, say, had a decent flow to it but not much drop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, are you really allowed to do that?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if it's your creek and your property, you can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		You can't go out and dam a big river on your property, but if you've got a little creek, then there's no one to stop you or cause you any problems from making a small dam, a little pipeline, and running a micro-hydro turbine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never thought of that.
		That's really an excellent idea.
		And when I was a child, we had one just like that in our backyard.
		Think of all that wasted electricity.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Most of us won't have the luxury of a creek that would provide you with micro-hydro.
		But the book actually provides simple equations so you can evaluate what kind of power you might get out of your creek.
		It provides you with information.
		Now, what a lot of people don't realize, too, is the thing called megawatts.
		That's what Amory Lovins coined that term a long time ago.
		And what he was saying is that often it's cheaper to save and conserve energy, far cheaper, than it is to generate that extra power.
		And especially when you're talking about a home power system, then like if you're going to run things off solar panels, well, those panels are pretty expensive.
		You're talking $500 for something to run a couple of light bulbs.
		And so if you replace those light bulbs with, for instance, you can replace five light bulbs with energy-saving light bulbs for the cost of $100 and save yourself a $500 solar panel.
		So in the national outlook, the same thing goes true.
		We could go out and do insulation programs and solar programs and rebates on energy-saving devices, and we could pay a lot less money than it actually would cost to drill more oil, generate more power with another oil or gas or coal-fired power plant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the other hand, though, locally, if the power goes out, that solar panel is going to be looking pretty good.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		Locally, if that power goes out.
		But what you do is you want to do too.
		You want to be smart about it.
		If you wanted to make a solar system to power an energy hog house, you might be talking $50,000.
		And you might go out and invest, but I just spent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's about what I spent.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		But you can go out and invest a few thousand dollars in energy-saving devices and cut $30,000 off your cost of your system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		So that's where the Negawatt thing comes in and the planning.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		And the planner helps you figure out what really makes sense in your place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's our real everyday problem, though, Matthew.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		This is the real thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We live in a really high-tech society.
		And the job I do, for example, sitting here doing this in my own little studio with the uplink equipment and computers everywhere.
		And you know what it takes to do what I'm doing right now.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Energy Hog City.
		There's no question about it.
		And I can't do without it.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have replaced my light bulbs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do the best I can, but there are high current devices here that I can't avoid.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		So you're in the business.
		But most people aren't in that.
		And so most people, for a much more modest investment, a couple thousand dollars to start, they could do a small mini system to give them very basic backup energy in the event of a power outage.
		And perhaps they could go to $10,000 and make something that could really start providing more of a level of comfort in the event that things go down.
		And one of the nice things about these renewable energy systems is they're kind of tinker toy systems.
		You can add modular blocks as time goes on.
		It's not like, well, I put this money into the small thing, so it's wasted.
		It's like, no, you can start.
		You can add on as you have the time and the money, and then you can add more to your system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about food?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does your book contemplate the need for food?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Certainly, certainly.
		And in the food chapter, the main focus is on sustainable agriculture, how to grow food.
		So it focuses on grow biointensive methods, which are John Jevons methods.
		And John Jevons has been referred to as contributing more to reducing suffering in the world than almost anyone on the planet because he has helped develop and spread the knowledge of these biointensive practices.
		They're very low-tech oriented.
		In other words, if a poor subsistence farmer in Argentina who's just scraping by can learn these methods that will rebuild the soil and that will use about a fifth of the water and will actually improve yields every year without chemicals and chemical fertilizers and other things.
		And he will be able to turn his subsistence farm into a farm that provides bountiful for himself and his family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does he do that?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		And he does that through these methods called double digging, grow bio-intensive methods.
		It's where it's a special soil preparation and it's heavy on organic composting.
		And it's also a special way of planting so that you have more of a microclimate in the planting.
		It requires far, far less in the way of watering.
		So, for instance, there's some wonderful pictures in his websites of this guy in Africa and he's got just this brilliant smile and he's holding up these incredible looking grapefruits.
		And you see this wonderful orchard behind him.
		And the thing is that it was, quote, impossible to grow grapefruits at his location because of lack of water.
		But using the bio-intensive practices, he was able to take an area that with traditional methods, it was just out of the question.
		You couldn't grow an orchard there.
		And he was able to grow it.
		And he's just using his sweat.
		You know, he's not using any high-tech methods.
		This is just a poor farmer in the middle of Africa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but what replaces water?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not replacing the water.
		It's an intensive process.
		See, basically, modern agriculture is set up for the convenience of machines, and it doesn't duplicate nature very well.
		Biointensive practices plant things on much closer spacings.
		They do special extra-deep soil preparations that allows the roots to take the nutrients from the soil.
		And because of the closed spacings and the extra deep things, you have like a mini-climate, and it conserves water.
		You don't have the kind of evaporative losses of waters.
		So if they were planted and treated normally, it would be too dry and the plants would die.
		But because of the bio-intensive soil preparations and plantings, it conserves the water and the nutrients that are in the soil so that they're available to the plant and not just going away and washing away or evaporating out into the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I've got it.
		Stay right there.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
		My guest is Matthew Stein.
		I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, good morning from the high desert.
		How you doing?
		Matthew Stein is here, and he's telling us how to survive, actually.
		It really is a kind of a survival program in a way.
		Things that could happen, we all know about those.
		They're around us every day.
		However, what you can do about it is what he's all about.
		Different methods of growing things, of getting power, of protecting yourself.
		We'll talk more about that in a moment.
		I do have a story to tell about the creek we had in our backyard.
		We'll do that right after this.
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		Now we take you back to the night of March 27, 2001 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music I've got a ghost photo on my website right now that's a real blowaway from Germany.
		Take a look at it.
		It looks like something out of Ghostbusters coming right out of that winery that looks more like a church.
		It's an amazing photograph on my website right now.
		Then Matthew brought up the subject of a creek behind your house.
		And I'm going to tell a brief story.
		I hope my mom's not listening in North Carolina right now.
		We had a creek behind our house in Media, Pennsylvania, when we lived there.
		And it was a pretty good creek.
		We could have, if I'd followed Matthew's advice or known about it, we could have built a little boulder dam there.
		But we didn't.
		My mom was into projects when I was young.
		Always had a project going.
		And one day she had a vision.
		She decided that since we had this creek running through our backyard, she would build a swimming pool right in the middle of the creek, virtually damming up the creek and then providing a way for the creek to run around the swimming pool on both sides.
		So, of course, we did this, myself and my two sisters and my mom and my dad.
		Let me tell you, for an entire summer, every day, we had pool duty.
		And what that meant was we had to go out and we had to first dam up the stream, then we had to build this pool.
		Oh, my God.
		It was like slave labor.
		Every day, all of us had to be out there doing this.
		And it went on for the whole summer until finally we did it.
		We built a concrete pool in the middle of this creek.
		Blood, sweat, and tears, but we built it.
		Oh, my God, did we build it every day?
		It was horrible.
		Anyway, finally, at the end of summer, when it was still hot and the pool was finally done, my mom opened the valves, and of course the swimming pool filled automatically from the creek.
		The problem was that the creek running around the swimming pool kept the water at a temperature that I would describe as just above freezing.
		So that, and then there were trees too that gave shadow to it.
		So when I tell you the water in this pool was cold, I'm talking about turn your lips blue cold.
		I don't care how hot the day was.
		The water in this pool was always at or near freezing.
		It was barely above freezing.
		You'd go in there and your lips would be blue in about a minute and a half.
		But my mom, staunchly every day, went down to that pool and went swimming.
		And she would come back and her whole face would be pale and her lips would be blue.
		She would kept trying to get us to go into the pool.
		None of us would have anything to do with it.
		That sucker was freezing and it always was going to be freezing.
		So if there's anything you don't want to build in the middle of a creek, it's a dam and a swimming pool.
		Bear that in mind, just in case.
		Silly story, but true story.
		We did that all summer long.
		Matthew, you're back on the air again.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Do inventors, when they, like my mom, for example, when she built that pool, do they sometimes have a grand idea that turns out all completely wrong and not to work at all?
		In other words, you construct an entire pool, but you forget there's a creek running around both sides of it, keeping it right at creek temperature.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that definitely happens.
		There's a process to inventing and design, and typically, you know, when you're doing the right process, you do call a proof of concept, where you at least, where you don't invest tons of money in tooling and molds and things like that, but you kind of try to mock things up as cheaply and quickly as you can and make sure that the basic idea is right.
		But sure, even then, you have ideas that sometimes you pour in tons of money into and they just don't pan out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I tell you, my mom was a marine drill instructor, and she would, every day we had pool duty.
		I mean, it was like Revelle E in the morning, up, eat, pool.
		And every day, all summer long, we did that, pool duty.
		Anyway, listen, you have a lot of ideas.
		You have a lot of notions about how people can keep themselves prepared for either a short time or, God forbid, a long time if something really horrible happens.
		And I want to give the audience an opportunity to ask you some questions.
		So we'll get to that shortly, if that's okay with you.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I just wanted to mention a couple things real quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fire away.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		One is that people tend to be in awe of someone like myself that receives some intuitional information about something.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		But the higher powers that are assisting people on the planet, call it God, call it your angels, call it your guide, whatever you want to call it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you call it?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		My guides and God.
		Even though I was born and raised Jewish, I'm really a mystical Christian at this point in my life.
		But I don't really have blinders on.
		I read different spiritual writings from all over the planet.
		But what I'm saying is that when I asked kind of my intuitional guidance for what, you know, is there anything special they wanted me to say on the show, the answer I got was that this guidance is available to everyone.
		There is no special favored people in God's eyes.
		That basically what it says like in the Bible, ask and you'll receive, knock and it should be opened unto you, that kind of thing.
		That that's available to everyone regardless of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you've got to be open to it.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, part of the free will setup of the universe is that you have free will.
		So they're not going to shove it down your throat.
		You've got to ask for it.
		That's kind of part of the rules.
		It's sort of like the Star Trek non-interference rule.
		It's like they'll interfere with you only if you want them to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about you personally?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If the worst happened right now, Matthew.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to find out If you practice what you preach, if the worst were to happen right now, the power went out, communications went down, the roads were impassable, how would you fare?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I would fare decently.
		I wish that I had a more energy-efficient home and a nice setup like you do, which is in my game plan.
		But unfortunately, from writing the book, it strapped me financially.
		But that's definitely in my not very long-distance future to have that in there.
		I certainly have all of the backpacking and survival gear.
		I would fare very well as far as, even though I live at high altitude in the Sierras, clothing and preparation-wise, no problem, no sweat.
		Food storage, well, I've probably got a month or something on there, but I'm very good at being able to go out and forage.
		For instance, a lot of people don't realize that you can strip the green layer of bark off of trees and live off of that.
		The Donner Party, who met their demise about 10 miles from my house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're up that high.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm in Truckee, California.
		Donner Lake is in Truckee, where the Donner Party had their famous barbecue.
		If they had known what I knew, they wouldn't have had to resort to what they did to survive that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's stop at the bark thing.
		Green bark.
		Now, I would not have thought that you could strip bark off a tree and do anything nutritious with green bark.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't have either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you do?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
		There's several things you can do.
		You can, it's the green layer, it's the growing layer of the bark.
		You know, the outer layer is no good, and the dead wood on the inside is no good for you.
		You're not a beaver, you can't handle that.
		But if you strip the green layer off and try not to do the whole way around the tree so you kill the tree, then you can cut it into strips and kind of boil it like spaghetti.
		You can pound it into a flour and make bread.
		Yeah, so it is something.
		I mean, you could live for months on this stuff if you had to.
		I'm not saying it would be much fun.
		I'm not saying it would be a whole in a balanced diet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does it taste like?
		Chicken?
		I'm serious.
		What does it taste like?
		I'm joking, but I'm serious, too.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Probably just tastes kind of like, oh, you ever chewed on a green twig?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, actually, I have.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody has.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's about what you got.
		Not exactly a culinary delight, but it will provide something in your stomach, and it will provide some energy for you, and you can subsist on it.
		I mean, I wouldn't recommend it for the long run, but you can subsist on it.
		And certainly, as far as collecting herbs and stuff, depends on the time of year.
		Wintertime in Truckee and the high Sierras is what I think of as the hardest and the worst.
		And let's face it, if something really goes down bad, the little furry animals that run around here, your chances of getting them when everybody else in the neighborhood's looking for them, it's not going to be really good after a while.
		But there's lots of trees out there.
		So the book does give information on foraging and information on what kind of animals you can eat, what kind of grubs and bugs.
		I mean, again, not a culinary delight, but you can...
		No, but I have eaten forage for plants.
		To be honest with you, I...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen Survivor on TV?
		Yeah.
		Have you seen those?
unidentified		Ugly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you haven't seen it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have these big, ugly, gushy, horrible worms that they had to eat.
unidentified		If you had to, could you eat one of those?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if I had to.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, to be honest with you, some of the advice in my book, things like if you've got these worms, if you dry them up and pound them up and put them in kind of like some stew, they're really not too bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Worm stew?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in other words, if they're good enough for the robins, they make robins grow and thrive.
		Well, they can make people grow and thrive too.
		But, you know, again, it's not very high on my list.
		And since I'm not being paid lots of money to go on TV and do that, I kind of reserve that for when I have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it would be so sensational.
		I mean, you really want to get your message across, right?
		Trust me, you eat worms too.
		People will watch.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you know, my message isn't just about survival.
		It's about sustainability.
		It's about what you can do.
		It's about self-healing.
		It's about being able to do more for yourself today, right now, while technology hasn't failed.
		And then also it's about what can we do, like on the planet, collectively.
		You know, individually, none of us is going to save the world.
		None of us is going to change the future.
		Collectively, we can do it.
		There's a story about the hundredth monkey and collective consciousness.
		And I believe collectively we can change it.
		Things have happened in history, like slavery.
		You know, President Lincoln didn't personally end slavery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like when I was a kid.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, millions of people, right, like when you were a kid, when I was a kid, millions of people got together and collectively chose to end slavery.
		President Lincoln was the person that took it to the government level.
		If we're going to make a sustainable future, a future for our children, then collectively we need to bring it to the government level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you this, Matthew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What makes you think there's a chance in hell of that happening until we have the emergency that necessitates it?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's probably correct.
		But the other thing is, you know, when you look at the systems of the planet, if you wait until everything's fallen apart, then that's kind of, you know, there's the old saying that says, is it not too late to dig a well when you're already thirsty?
		It's like you have to look ahead, look at where we're headed and make the change.
		Now, right now, there's not a snowball's chance in hell we're going to make that change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		But in 10 years' time, perhaps the people on the planet will be set up.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		For instance, if your gasoline bill for your car, you're spending $50 a week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Now, how many of you, if you're strapped spending $50 a week, you know, you're driving a big car $50 a week.
		Now, with the world oil production predicted to start declining within the next decade, no matter what anybody does, there's only so much oil in the ground, and the predictions are basically within a few years to 20 years, it's going to actually decline.
		So you've got a world that's got a, every year they want more oil.
		now, all of a sudden, you'll have Saudi Arabia, those places will be declining in oil production, just a simple matter of, you know, they've already pumped the easy stuff to get out.
		And so now, say your bill goes up 10, 20 times what it is right now.
		How many of us can afford to spend 10 or 20 times as much on our gasoline and heat as we're spending today?
		But you're looking at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bro, they're getting the first little taste of that, a 46% taste in California right now.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		We're getting a taste of that.
		But, you know, project down 10 years.
		I mean, right now you're seeing a few people pulling strings nationally.
		You're seeing some games that have been played.
		You're seeing some real shortages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the games have not yet really even begun, Matthew.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Now imagine if there's nothing, that it's not just a game-playing thing.
		They're just playing, they're not getting the stuff out of the ground.
		They're having to resort to more expensive things.
		They're having to take coal and gasify it to make different types of fuels.
		They're having to do that because you have a decline in the petroleum age.
		Now you're looking at having to resort to just more expensive ways of producing energy.
		Energy won't just go away.
		It's just going to get more expensive.
		It's supply and demand.
		Look what happened in the 70s with an artificial constriction on the part of OPEC.
		I mean, we were paying $2 a gallon back in the late 70s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember the lines.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I remember waking up at 5 in the morning and parking my car around the corner in the gasoline line just so that we had a spot reserved for when the pumps opened up.
		And imagine now that you have a crisis like this that's not going to go away because, you know, you can't...
		It's just plain not going to keep up with demand, and so the price is going to skyrocket.
		I mean, that's coming.
		And you can proactively, you know, Stephen Covey made tons of money with his book, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.
		He studied the most effective people in the world and said, well, what are they doing that's different from the rest of us average Joes to make them so effective?
		And one of the first things they did is they're proactive and they begin with the end in mind.
		So what they do is they have a picture of where they're trying to get and then they do first things first to get there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They begin with the end in mind.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So in other words, they're having a picture of where they want to get and then they do these very effective things to get them from point A to point B. Now if our picture of the future is that we know that these things are coming energy-wise and we want a sustainable future for our world and we want a really wonderful climate for our children to grow up in,
		we don't want a totally polluted world where everyone's dying of cancer, we don't want a world where no one can afford to stay warm in the winter, then they say, okay, well, let's picture the world we want and now let's map out a path to get from A to Z. Here's Z, which is like this good future which is sustainable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about actual leadership here.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		That's saying that it's not so important what my profit is in the next six months.
		What's important is are we healthy in 10 years?
		Are we doing things right in 20 years?
		Do we have a good social climate?
		Do we have a good ecosystem?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we have corporations in America, which are very important.
		And what they're worried about is what their profit loss figure is going to look like for the next quarter.
		That's what they're worried about.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		When you're quarter-based, it's really hard to plan.
		Now, people can make a change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's impossible.
		I mean, you're talking about let's plan for 10 or 20 years into the future, or maybe even just five years into the future.
		Hold it right there.
		We'll be right back.
		We're at the bottom of the air.
		We are going to begin to take calls for Matthew Stein, who has written a book called When Technology Fails.
		But we know, don't we?
		It never fails.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Top of the morning.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		Matthew Stein is here.
		He's an inventor.
		He's a guy with a book that I think was divine inspiration.
		He might argue with that a little, but somehow or another came to him that way.
		And it basically is telling you how to survive.
		That's really what it's called When Technology Fails, but that's what it's all about.
		It warns of all kinds of things, bad weather, earthquakes, floods, and I guess inherent in this is that this stuff is going to happen.
		And I guess we know it's going to happen, don't we?
		So, 25 Earth-Friendly Things You Can Do scattered all about his book.
		If you have any questions for Matthew Stein, that's what we're going to do coming next.
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		27th, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Matthew Stein is my guest, and his book, again, is When Technology Fails, and we all know it darn well can.
		So back to Matthew.
		Here he is.
		Matthew, are you there?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Some people would like to speak with you, so I thought we'd do a segment of open phones.
		How about that?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Sounds good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Let me just clarify one thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I do believe there was divine inspiration that inspired me to do the book.
		I just didn't receive a signature when I got the inspiration, so I can't say it was Jesus or Buddha or God or whoever, but I do believe it was divinely inspired.
		Just no signature, and I'm not ascribing it to any particular power, but a higher power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something external to your own brain.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		Something outside of my own brain that felt like a higher source of wisdom and knowledge basically, I believe, tasked me to write this book.
		And so it's hard to claim credit for it.
		Certainly, I put the work into it.
		I mean, it took a massive amount of work, but I believe that the inspiration was not just Matthew Stein thinking and that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, since you didn't get a name, I think it's reasonable to have put Matthew Stein on there.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Matthew Stein is the author.
		Divinely inspired, authored by Matthew Stein.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You're going to love this.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Matthew Stein.
		And you have an idea about global warming, is it?
unidentified		Yes, yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Central Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Central Texas.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Matthew, I want you to listen really closely to what this man is about to say.
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		Actually, I'm 14.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're 14?
		All right, and so your idea is...
		In the world.
unidentified		In the world.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As an inventor, try to listen to this, Matthew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		500 active volcanoes, right?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And we have a bunch of nukes that we want to get rid of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thousands.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Thousands.
unidentified		So we should send all the nukes that we want to get rid of into these active volcanoes, plugging them up and launching, you mean launching nuclear weapons into the volcanoes?
		Yes.
		500 of them worldwide.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I could see sending them into outer space to burn up in the sun or something, but launching them into volcanoes that are likely to blow their tops and spew radioactive waste all over the planet's probably not a really good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From an inventor's point of view.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		From a scientist and engineer inventor point of view, that's correct.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I would advise against it.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you might want to get a committee to work on that one before moving ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Matthew Stein, who's Mornington.
unidentified		Oh, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		My name is Jim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jim.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi, Matthew.
		I wanted to say good evening, and Art, pleasure to be on your show.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Missouri right now, headed northbound.
		I'm actually going to get off the exit here in a little bit.
		Sorry.
		Just a chat.
		Okay.
		Anyway, head up.
		I applaud you, Matthew, for your book.
		I think it's a very good book and what it's presenting to people.
		I personally have none of these things, but I have a great desire to get involved in these areas.
		Well, one of the nice things about the book is that it's a good desire to do that.
		So, you know, I just wanted to say thank you for that.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		One of the nice things about the book is it's a great CYA book, you know, Cover Your Behind.
		You can have it on your shelf, and even if you haven't really prepared, if things go down, you will be way, way, way better off with my book on the shelf.
		Now, whether it's just going down for a week, perhaps there's a hurricane, perhaps there's an earthquake, perhaps there's a terrorist act, perhaps just, you know, something causes the grid to fry for a while, whether it's two days or a week or a month or a year, you're going to be in much better shape if you have my book than if you don't.
		Naturally, if you have the book, you might become motivated to read some of it and make some preparations so you're a little better prepared than just having the book.
		But just having the book is a whole lot better than nothing.
unidentified		Right.
		Which was my whole thing with Y2K preparation, you know, from listening to art show.
		You know, I went out and got two years of food and all that stuff.
		And some folks said, ah, it's just, you know, you just wasted your money.
		But, you know, I didn't look at it like that, and I still do not look at it like that.
		Who knows?
		You know, you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, and there might be a great need for that in your life.
		And just to get you over the edge, to get you through.
		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Color, thank you.
		Actually, you know, it's a kind of a dark humorous sort of thing, but a lot of people did prepare for the worst with Y2K.
		They spent billions of dollars.
		They actually pretty much cured the Y2K problems.
		But now, I mean, here we are, not that far away from the Y2K moment.
		And now almost everything that everybody feared about Y2K appears to be occurring now.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Now, I didn't do much preparation for Y2K.
		People asked me, what do you think is going to happen?
		And I definitely had some stuff around.
		I wanted to be prepared in the event that things went down for, you know, a week or two.
		I thought perhaps something will affect the grid.
		But in the long run, I feel that, yeah, I didn't think much was going to go on with Y2K, but I do feel within the next 10 years, you're going to look back at today and say, boy, remember when gas is this much and when you can just go to the grocery store and get everything you wanted anytime you wanted and all that stuff.
		So I don't know when it's coming or what's going to cause it, but I believe you'll just see an increasing instability in things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I tell people, Matthew.
		I say, if you want to understand how dependent you really are on technology, go outside to your breaker box, to your main breaker for your house or your apartment, whatever, and just throw your breaker off so that you have no electricity and go back Inside your house and spend, oh, I don't know, about an hour.
		It's like living in a tomb.
		No, it really is.
		I mean, nothing works.
		Television, radio, lights, all the things that you take for granted are suddenly useless.
		And frankly, your whole apartment is more or less useless.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, especially if it's 10 degrees outside or 5 below zero.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then it's life-threatening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm just talking about under average, even decent weather conditions, you go back inside that house with no power and you're walking around in a tomb.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you know, something that really brought things home, a couple years back, we had an earthquake, a shaker that went through that was centered about seven miles from my home.
		And I sleep in my birthday suit, you know, with nice down comforters and stuff on my bed at night.
		And it was middle of winter and trucky, and I woke up and was running around the house in my birthday suit.
		And I thought, boy, if my house started collapsing and I sprinted outside in my birthday suit, tempolo, my car keys in the house, you know, no clothing, even my bare feet, it's like it really drove home how I needed to have supplies, preparations, extra food, extra clothing, extra keys outside of my home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Imagine how awful it would be, too, if your house collapsed and there you were butt-naked outside without even your car keys and you had written a book called When Technology Fails.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That just wouldn't do, would it?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		No.
		So now I have my keys stashed outside.
		I've got extra clothing and things stashed outside where in the event that we're an Earth trade country, I've got to consider that possibility.
		Plus, I mean, one day, a couple years ago, I was sitting working at my computer, plugging away, and these friends of my son drove up and came in the house, looked at me and said, where's the fire?
		And I said, what fire?
		They pointed out the window, and I said, oh, my God, there was a 500-foot plume of smoke 100 yards from my house rising into the sky, and I could see flames through the woods.
		And there wasn't, I mean, no sirens, nothing.
		And I was just sitting there working at my computer, totally oblivious that if the winds were blowing the other direction, my house would be burning down within two to three minutes.
		And luckily, the winds blew away from my house, and they were able to put it out.
		But if they were blowing the other way that day, it would have gone right through the subdivision.
		And my house would have been the first to go.
		And I would have been there with nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it would have been very fast.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Very, very fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very fast.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I mean, within five minutes, if the wind was going the other way, within five minutes, my house would have been engulfed in flames.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		It would have been a thing I could have done about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Matthew Stein.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
		You're going to have to yell at us.
		I can barely hear you.
unidentified		I was trying to find out some information.
		Y'all were saying earlier how I think the power crisis in California and the shortage of fuel and things of that nature.
		What I'm curious about, is it the deregulation that is causing the problem that I understand correctly?
		Is that correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is a big argument.
		I mean, some people say it's deregulation.
		Others say it's real shortage because they didn't build power plants.
		So I'd rather not get into that.
		It's just a big argument.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I don't claim to know the answer to that.
		But I do know that we're basically reached the halfway point in our consumption of global resources of oil.
		And half of what we've done in the last 150 years has been consumed in the last 30 years.
		So we're consuming at an increasing rate, which means that the second half of the world oil isn't going to last nearly as long as it took to take the first half.
unidentified		Gotcha.
		I'm kind of curious, in your book, do you give, I know you say you give preparations, but do you also give ideas of regionally, like what types of foods and things of that nature you may be able to find and identify with and prevent to like maybe mishap and grab a wrong type of food?
		I know you were talking earlier about the barks and things like that off of the tree in your local area.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not just my local area.
		It does talk about which trees in general across the country.
		Now, certainly I'm not talking about South America or Africa, but I'm giving a lot of general information that's good for anywhere in this country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, wait a minute.
		Do you know where I live?
		Where are you, Collar?
unidentified		Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alabama.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you probably got trees in Alabama, right?
unidentified		Yes, Total.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, we don't have trees here in the desert.
		I live in the desert.
		No, I do.
		You know what we have?
		We have cactus.
		And we have little shrubs, and we have plants.
		And if you pick the wrong one and eat it, you're going to die because it's poisonous.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		You do have ants and grubs, though.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		And worms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ants and grubs and worms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've got those.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, desert areas are a lot harder to forage in than many other areas.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		And one of the things I do, see, each chapter of my book gives some really good, basic, practical, how-to information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long would a person have to go, in your estimation, Matthew, without eating before they would munch a worm?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		In America, a lot of people would probably have to go about 24 hours.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		You know, Americans are not very used to fasting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not very long, really.
unidentified		24 hours.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		They're not very used to fasting and starving, and they're really used to getting things when they want it now.
		You know, it's like, oh, I'm starving.
		Where's the McDonald's?
		I mean, I don't think that one of the scary things is what's going to go with people who are so used to having everything when they want it now, you know, in this country when all of a sudden they can't get what they want right now.
		I think you're going to find a lot of freaking out people when they're there.
		I mean, I fasted for over a week, so I know that I can handle it and deal with it for a significant period of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be no worm for Matthew for at least a week.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I'm not sure.
		Put me in that situation.
		But most people don't have that kind of background and discipline and experience, and I think they're going to start feeling headache and nauseous within 24 hours of not having a meal, and they're going to have to have something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we sure are a hardened bunch, aren't we?
		Pretty soft in America, is the truth.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Matthew Stein.
		Hello.
unidentified		Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		This is Robert from the San Joaquin Valley, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Robert.
unidentified		Mr. Stein, your appearance on Mr. Bell's show this evening is very interesting.
unidentified		I appreciate it very much.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Two quick questions.
unidentified		First of all, about your book, how does somebody who really appreciates it and wants to get the news out to many others, you know, over here in California, talk about people freaking out, I think around July and August of this year, that's what's going to happen to a lot of Californians with no power.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I'll admit, yes.
		So 110 in the Central Valley, 120 in no power for the AC.
		It's going to be hard on a lot of people.
unidentified		It's going to be very tough.
		And I would like very much to present your book to people.
		So I'll be picking up a bunch of them.
		I guess I can get those for Barnes and Noble also, could I not?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		And you can get them through Barnes and Noble.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		You can order it at any bookstore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much is your book?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		It's $19.95.
		I mean, my publisher did a wonderful job of trying to keep the book affordable.
		If you look at it, it's a big book format.
		It's 8.5 by 11, double column, big book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is big.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		And it's 425 pages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is big.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		So if it was just a regular size book, you're talking 600, 700 pages.
		And to get a book like that for only $19.95 is a real deal.
		Now, you can order it.
		It's available through all the major distribution channels.
		So if a bookstore doesn't carry it, you can just request at your local corner bookstore and they'll get it for you.
unidentified		Mr. Bill, I have one other quick question.
unidentified		It's okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
unidentified		Mr. Stein, you mentioned some inventions that intrigued me.
unidentified		For someone who has hundreds of companies available, who funds and wants to create jobs and make good environmentally safe products and things, is there a way for a person to get a hold of you to discuss these?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I have a website for the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've got a link to that on our website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have an email address?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and my email address is actually through my engineering website.
		And the email address is MAT, M-A-T with 1T, and then the at sign.
		And it's stein-design.com.
		That's S-T-E-I-N-D-E-S-I-G-N.com.
		And there's also a link to that same email address to contact the authors through my website for the book, which is www.wentechfails.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think one is your book site links to your other site.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Right, the book site links to the engineering site.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, once they get there, they can make their way around.
		Right, right.
		Okay.
		So that's how people can get hold of you.
		And again, the 800 number for the book is 1-800-253.
		Stop me if I'm wrong.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		253-2747.
		1-800-253-2747.
		And even if you don't read it, you still say it's good to buy the book and just have it sitting there, right?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Just in case.
		You know, even if it was just for an ice storm for a few days or whether it's something longer, to just have it on your bookshelf, I mean, I urge people to read it because I think you'll find a lot of fascinating stuff in it.
		And I think you'll open your eyes in many directions that you really weren't very aware of.
		But to have it just in case it's, I can't think of one comprehensive book that would cover more things and help you out more than this book, just in case.
		And certainly, each chapter has a resource guide.
		So if you find you're intrigued by a chapter and you want to go further, then the resource guide at the end of the chapter will show you what book to buy.
		Because to do a real in-depth on any one topic in a chapter requires a whole book in itself.
		I mean, there's a lot in my book, but I couldn't do everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You couldn't do it all?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will there be another book?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		It depends on if this book pays itself off, then I can definitely write another book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when you take two years of time and you've got a family and a business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It took you two years to write this.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have it was three years from conception to publication.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I figured there's two years of labor in it, but there was a nine-month period where I basically pushed my engineering to the side, did about 10 hours a week in engineering, and I put 70 hours a week in the average into writing the books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, it was a massive effort.
		I figure I've got two years of labor, actual labor, into the book.
		And there was, like I said, a nine-month period where I basically rented a separate office away from my normal office and hold myself up in there.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did your book become available to the public?
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Thanksgiving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanksgiving.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it wasn't available on barnesandnoble.com, Amazon.com until roughly the first of the year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then your book was in, you were working on it when Y2K was approaching.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was working on it before I got the inspiration before I'd ever heard of Y2K.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you must have been saying to yourself, oh, God, I should be having, this book should be out now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look what's going to happen.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		But I didn't.
		I couldn't afford to, until I had it, I didn't actually sign the contract on the book until the fall of 1999.
		And by then, it was way too late for Y2K.
		And I, you know, being a family man and having a family to support and a business to run, I couldn't just put everything on hold and rack up the debt until I had a contract.
		Now, I did get a call.
		Like, I talked to an agent and tried to sell him before anyone heard at Y2K.
		And, you know, he wasn't too interested and told me to get my book, how to write a proposal, and all that.
		And I put a lot of time in.
		Then I got a frantic call from him in February of 1999.
		And he said, did you write the book?
		Did you get it written?
		And I think he had million-dollar signs in his office.
		If you've got it written, I can sell it for a million bucks today.
		But it's like, no, you know, I've got a life to run and a business to run in a family to support.
		So I miss Y2K, and everyone's thinking, oh, boy, you really blew it, buddy.
		You missed Y2K.
		But, you know, the book needed to be written.
		The message needs to be out there.
		And it's very appropriate.
		And sure, I could have made a lot of Y2K, but I probably would have been forced to cut the book and not have the book I wanted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, considering what's happened since when we had this nice quiet period and The stock markets were all up and everything was rosy and we had money to, we were all arguing about how to spend the money.
		And now all of a sudden, Y2K is becoming a reality in 2001.
		Listen, my friend, thank you for being here tonight.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Great.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		Is this the end then?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the, well.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		The end of tonight's show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The end of tonight's show only.
unidentified		Thank you, Matt.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I really thank you very much for having me on the show.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it.
unidentified		Good night.
matthew stein ▲ ● ▼		And hope to talk to you again sometime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 27, 2001.
		Far, we've been traveling far.
		Without our home, not without a star.
		Free.
		On a morning from a forecast movie in a country where they've seen fine fine.
		She goes strolling through the crowd like people are around waiting crime.
		She comes out of the fun and a dump-dressed running like a water colour in the way.
		Don't bother asking for explanation.
		to the value that you gain in the inner of the kind.
		She doesn't give you time for questions as she walks up your arm and hurts.
		And you follow your bath, but which direction completely disappears.
		While the boots of walls never market thought, but the hidden she leads you to.
		You're listening to Arkbell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 27, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, you notice anything different about this?
		It's a slightly different version, actually.
		Same artist, slightly different version.
		And the genius of phasing, Robert Sampler, sent it to me.
		You're the cat.
		Now let's do it.
unidentified		What looks like you so cold at you And the eyes shine like the moon and the sea She comes and says, I am patchouli So you take her to find what's waiting inside Music Fear of the cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a haunting song.
		Good morning, everybody.
		We're about to go to Open Lines.
		Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
		This guy really knows how to phase sleeping.
		He does it the old-fashioned way.
		He works.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		From Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 27, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Music Music Okay, we're about to enter the land of open lines.
		I'm still considering, I'm still thinking about the 500 volcanoes and launching all of our newts into the 500 volcanoes.
		And the guy in the first hour who disappeared when his three buddies turned on the field.
		That almost sounds like another Madman Markham story, and we'll have to get the three friends on if he emails me at artbell at mindspring.com and get the whole story.
		The rest of the story, as Paul would say.
		First time calling a line, you're on the air.
		Turn your radio down, please.
unidentified		Is this on, Bill?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Yeah, but on my radio, I hear you doing a commercial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because you shouldn't have your radio on because it's six seconds behind.
unidentified		Oh, okay, fine.
unidentified		I'm glad I got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So turn your radio off and let me guess that you're calling from New York or New Jersey.
unidentified		Philadelphia.
unidentified		Philadelphia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, close.
unidentified		Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'll make it real short.
		I have found a picture of the Sidonia region from your site of last year when you first put them up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I found something on that picture that shows two human forms.
unidentified		And I try to contact a lot of people about it, and nobody seems to be interested in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sent it to me, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		No, I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		I want to know if I sent, because I called, I emailed your program when Mike Siegel was running it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I want to make sure that you get this thing because I really believe that it depicts human beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really think I've seen what you're talking about, but no one else has.
unidentified		I went to a UFO seminar the other day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, sir.
		Let's just hold it right there.
		Just send it to me, artbell at mindspring.com and put in the subject line, Cydonia Human, and I guarantee I'll look at it for you.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Thanks very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You're welcome.
		Thank you.
		Your photo feel.
		I have a couple of photos that people say or claim they can see beings in.
		Now, I didn't hear human, but several people think they've seen various beings.
		I don't know.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, good morning, Ark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Greetings from the Mile Height City in KHOW 638 in Denver, that's right.
unidentified		Yeah, I called you the first day you uh came on to Denver, I remember, a long time ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		It was good to talk to you then, as it is now.
unidentified		I have two quick questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Have you heard of a French inventor in Paris who has invented a car that runs on compressed air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		no?
unidentified		I saw the news report on ABC News with Peter Jennings about Yeah, about six, nine months ago.
unidentified		It was before you came back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, how do they compress the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What method is used to compress the air?
unidentified		Just like if you fill up a tire, just like a car tire.
		They have a unit that you can buy to have at home which fills it up overnight, or you can go to a station where for two bucks they'll fill you up, and that air will get you 120 miles for two bucks.
		And they interviewed him on TV, and about three months after that, I saw a brief article in the Denver Rocky Mountain News about this guy.
		And I mean, he speaks English.
		He'd probably be a good interview.
		And they showed him riding around in the car.
		Right now they're promoting it as a taxi or delivery van because of the limited mileage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's pretty good, I'd say, on compressed air.
		It's a little hard to believe.
		Now, they had these rockets that you can buy, these little rockets, remember those at home, and you pump them up with air and then put some water in as well, fill them halfway with water and pump them with air, and the rocket will go way the heck up in the air.
		But trying to imagine that principle with just air applied to a car, you wouldn't think it would work.
unidentified		Well, it apparently does.
unidentified		I saw the newspaper article how to draw it with four tanks laid side to side beneath the car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And you would just fill it up with compressed air, and the force of air coming out, he described it as like a bedspring when you press the bedspring down and release it.
		The energy from that being released powers the car.
		And I have not heard hide or hair of this guy since that newspaper article at least three months ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's being tortured in one of the larger oil company basements, you know.
unidentified		I think the Illuminati have him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they have racks for these kinds of people, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's probably right next to the carburetor guy who just got his thumbs ripped out.
unidentified		Well, except that this was on ABC News, so I know it's legit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you can get me some information on him, like his name, any vague way to contact him, I'll give it a try.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Great.
		Can I ask one more quick question?
		Oh, sure.
		When you came back, one of the Denver newspapers said that you're not broadcasting out of your home anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the Denver newspapers is wrong.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm still in my home.
		I'm in the very same place.
		I've always done it.
		Why would they think that I would do anything else?
		I mean, if you could work from your house, would you give that up?
unidentified		No, that's what I was thinking.
unidentified		I think, why is he going to his studio now after he has it so crispy there walking in the next room when he's at work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And not a chance, sir.
		Not a chance this side of the moon.
		I appreciate your call.
		Denver newspaper is all wrong.
		Now, I work at home.
		A lot of people, I guess, don't know that because I really don't talk about it all that much, I guess.
		But the fact of the matter is, yes, I work from home, and I wouldn't change that for anything.
		I'd be out of my mind.
		Not a chance.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Wow, I got through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		The beautiful southern California Mountains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Where we don't get hit by power outages because we're hooked up to the wind power out by Joshua Tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the hike in electric rates is not going to affect you?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, it will.
		We're at it.
		But we don't have outages for more than a few seconds.
		By the way, my name is Tess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, when the grid goes down, because you've got those wind generators locally, they keep your portion up.
unidentified		Yeah, they switch it over, so sometimes the clock stops, and if it's digital, it starts blinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But it's on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that beats four hours of off, doesn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, well, most of my clocks are on batteries now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I meant four hours without electricity altogether?
unidentified		Oh, no, we haven't been out more than about 30 seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I say, what do you have beats being out for four hours?
unidentified		Oh, four hours?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure, that's happened to a lot of people.
unidentified		Wow, it's not supposed to.
unidentified		I wanted to mention that I have heard of that air car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, they have some demonstration models in Paris that actually work.
		But they are short-range and slow.
		Maybe 30 miles an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		And they'll go how far?
		100 and some odd miles?
unidentified		Something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not too bad, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On air.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your cat sounds upset.
unidentified		Oh, yes, and I can't scold him.
unidentified		He's 20 years old and frail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And spoiled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And probably bad-tempered.
unidentified		No, Cubby's the best.
unidentified		He's a baseball fan, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is.
		A cubby.
		Hence the name Cubby.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so you're obviously a fan of the Cubs.
unidentified		Well, sort of.
		You have to be a fan of the Cubs.
		Someday they might win a game.
		It sounds like you're kind of saying, Labo!
		Mabo!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not.
unidentified		Actually, the food isn't good enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Cubby.
		First time calling a line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, Arbel.
		Yes.
		This is Lorenia, Newcastle, Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how are you?
unidentified		Just fine.
unidentified		I've tried all night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have some hum upon your telephone.
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		And it's a regular phone.
		I don't know why.
		Oh, you're when your mom made the pool?
		Yes.
		Well, it reminded me back in West Virginia when I was very young, and I was born in 1946.
		A year younger than you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		indeed.
unidentified		There was a spring house, and it was made of stones.
unidentified		It was about 20 feet across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say I'm younger?
unidentified		I'm younger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're younger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		You're younger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was born in 45.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes, uh-huh.
		The spring house, to keep everything cold, was as cold as a refrigerator, and it was made of stones, big stones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		About 20 feet across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Maybe 20 feet tall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Round.
		All it had in it was a little tiny spring that ran out through a little tiny hole at the base.
		And that was built underneath trees.
		So that may be an addition for people to build for the future if they need a refrigerator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly the pool we built was as good as a refrigerator.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's no joke.
		But my mom, being the Marine Trooper that she was, every day she'd go out to that pool trying to lead the way for the rest of us.
		We refused to get anywhere near it.
		After the first time, we froze to death, but she'd lead the way.
		She'd get in the pool and she'd swim until her lips were blue and she was all pale and she'd come back up and say, God, that was so exhilarating.
		It was great.
		We never went.
unidentified		Well, she was showing you how much she appreciated your work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
unidentified		And it's funny that I made a little pool out, got the kids around where I lived at that time in Virginia, you know, this Virginia around, and we made a pool in a little creek, but we didn't separate it out and make a cement like you did.
unidentified		But the littler kids, which I was one of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scott, you don't know how much work that was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was like building the pyramid.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, it's a lot of work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over a summer.
unidentified		We had the whole group.
unidentified		I've got the whole group to working, but the bigger kids run us out, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm waiting.
unidentified		A question I wanted to ask Art.
		Yes.
		I had to put the cat out about the time the gentleman called.
		He said something about creating a retreat.
		Yes.
		And he gave how far it was from his location, but I didn't catch his location.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was up in the mountains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Up near Donner Pass.
unidentified		Up near Donner Pass?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you remember Donner Pass, right?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that's where he is.
		So he's in one of the least easily protected areas, I think, of all to survive in.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hi.
		This is Matt from Duluth, Minnesota.
		Yes, sir.
		I'm calling about a call you had earlier about the Russian UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		I believe I found Matt.
unidentified		I sent you a link in your email.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		You can check that.
		It has pictures of the spacecraft in the air, the UFO, and it also has alien corpses.
		And it actually has a picture of the UFO that's crushed into the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of these are separate things, right?
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay.
		On the website, I sent you the link.
		All right.
		Well, I'll take a look.
		I just wanted to ask if you got on IRC the weekend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
unidentified		You did?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, great.
unidentified		And I just want to give a shout out to FNET Channel Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much, and take care.
		Yes, I did get on this last week.
		I couldn't get any FNET servers that would work, and somebody sent me a list, and I found one that would work, and so I did get on.
		Easter the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Is this Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was going to say, I forgot where I heard this from, but there was a show that said that, you know, the alphabet from A to Z?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the alphabet?
unidentified		From A to Z. You know how people say like 1, 2, like A, B, and C?
		Yes.
		This guy said instead of doing it by 1, 2, 3, you can do it by 6, 12, 18, and increments of 6.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		All the way to Z. And if you spell computer, it will equal out to 6, 6, 6.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've heard that.
unidentified		I just want to let you know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's nothing compared to what happened to our website.
		Not even in the same class.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		It's off.
		Thanks.
		This is Steve in West Hills, California, listening to you on KFI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Steve.
unidentified		Did you hear about the meteor that crashed off of Long Beach here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Long Beach?
unidentified		Yes, it was last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I might have read something about that a little bit earlier.
unidentified		Yeah, because they said that it was, the person that reported it said that it was a mid-air collision.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Actually, I've got it right here.
		And they saw two objects apparently coming together, and they thought of a mid-air collision.
		And I was wondering really hard earlier tonight how you could get from there to the Los Angeles Fire Department saying that it turned out that it was possibly some type of meteorite.
unidentified		Oh, they claimed that part of the rescue team, you know, some of the Coast Guard or the fire trucks, some of those people, the fire people, saw it in the sky before they got there.
unidentified		And they put two and two together and said it must have been this meteor that someone saw that was on their way to the scene.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they always jump to that conclusion, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you've got other witnesses saying two objects came together, that, it just doesn't I know.
unidentified		It had to be pretty bright for them to think that in the first place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
unidentified		But there was those other meteors in the past year that have been seen out here.
unidentified		A friend of mine saw one from his balcony, those green ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen those, yes.
unidentified		You know, I thought that was interesting that something like that could happen so close to Long Beach, you know, without striking something, you know, just coincidentally happening to go in the water that large.
unidentified		It just seemed like it wouldn't be a small meteor to attract that much attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		And I had a question for you about the mad cow.
		Yes.
		I'm from Iowa, and when I was watching on the world news, they shipped those sheep from Vermont to Des Moines, Iowa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you can't say that three times fast.
unidentified		And I thought that that was just, it seems crazy to ship something like that, animals that are in question, because it's such a dangerous thing, all the way across the country to Iowa.
unidentified		But then they also said that 90% of the babyback ribs that we eat in the United States are imported.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		I couldn't believe that.
unidentified		I was astounded to hear that because all these years I thought I've been eating pork produced in America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am curious.
		You obviously sound like an aficionado.
		So if you can no longer eat any beef, if it were to get to that point in the U.S. where we could not eat any beef, what would you do?
unidentified		I would be just as depressed as my life would be over, just as you say.
		I love beef.
		I mean, I don't know what I do.
		I like almost all kinds of beef, and I just like barbecuing.
		And it would just be devastating to me not to be able to, you know, get out there and cook a nice big porter house with some butterfly shoes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would literally destroy the quality of life in America.
unidentified		It sure would.
		It sure.
		I would miss it terribly.
		But I think it's going to happen.
		I think that we're on the verge of releasing the fact that it's actually here in the United States because they were talking about two cases in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Do you think that gorging yourself now on quarter pounders and such would help at all?
		I mean, really packing them in right now before they lower the boom.
		Probably wouldn't help, would it?
unidentified		I don't think so.
		I'm going to keep eating them until I'm absolutely positive that there's a danger, but I probably think about it.
		Let me know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me know when you get to the last burger.
unidentified		It's been a too long time with an old piece of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Imagine that, the last burger.
unidentified		And I'm ready for the time to get better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I'll take it fries.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 27, 2001.
		Music by Ben Thede I've got to tell you, I've been racking my brain, hoping to find a way out.
		I've had enough of this continual rain.
		Changes are coming, no doubt.
		It's been a too long time with no peace of mind.
		And I'm ready for the time to get ready.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 27th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed remember international line, folks.
		Give it a shot.
		Check my website.
		And if you can't do it that way, do it any way you can and let us know how you did it.
		The international line, toll-free, that's really important, toll-free, is 800-893-0903.
		That's 800-893-0903.
		Give it a try.
		Now, somebody writes that the sheep in question went to Ames Island, not Des Moines.
		I think that's right.
		But he says they're not contagious.
		And I'm not sure that's right at all.
		As a matter of fact, according to the report by Linda Howe, Linda Moulton Howe the other night, who talked to an expert, it's going to be two years, two years before the tests are in on these sheep and before we know.
unidentified		The 7th, 2001 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now, isn't this interesting?
		The engineer at KPUA Glenn in Hawaii, Mountain View, Hawaii, has just sent me a fast blast saying, hey, Art, 10.085 megahertz, loud and clear in Hawaii.
		Note, second low signal blast halfway between the loud bursts.
		I'll be damned.
		That's the same as it was on 3.39.
		It's not strong enough here where I am to be hearing the second burst, although I haven't run the beam all the way around.
		I haven't run the log periodic all the way around.
		But if they're hearing this very strongly in Hawaii, then I hope somebody in Alaska will quickly check 10.085 megahertz and see how loud it is in Alaska.
		This is really interesting.
		Looks like we've got them again, folks.
		It's The same signal.
		There's no question about it.
		And what I just got from this engineer in Hawaii confirms that.
		Wouldn't surprise me a bit, have you taken a look at the solar numbers?
		Could they resist toying about with the ionosphere churned up as it is right now?
		Oh my wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Great.
		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Minespring Earth.
		What happened?
		Are you not advertising that anymore?
		I want to get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to get what?
unidentified		Mind Spring Earthlink.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you certainly can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not advertising it at the moment, but that's where my account is on Mindspring.
unidentified		I'm going to subscribe on the 7th, but if you have a commercial that because if you sponsor them, they'll give the second two months free, if I remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was when I had the commercial going.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		Well, they're not a present sponsor.
		They're not on the air with me right now.
		So I don't know.
		You can call up and mention my name and see what they do.
unidentified		Yeah, well, would you take them if they wanted to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, of course.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You're very welcome.
		Yes, I've had that MindSpring account, and I continue to have it.
		The one thing I don't understand is if you send mail to Art Bell at Earthlink, it's not going to get to me.
		It goes off into the ether somewhere.
		But if you send it to me at my MindSpring account that they set up for me, it still gets there.
		Confusing.
		Interesting.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art Keith from Salt and Sea Beach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		The reason Dave's dam won't work is we have a dike around this town now that's five foot high to keep the water out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Because the Salton Sea has been rising for the last 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And if Dave was going to flush in six foot of water, we'd all drown in a month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Dave has other concerns.
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, big power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you heard the call, same as I did.
unidentified		Well, he said that the...
		That's right.
		We're going to have to move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because Dave's damn pipe is coming.
unidentified		Dave's damn pipe is coming.
		Well, it ought to create a lot of electricity.
		By the way, I've been off the grid for a long time, and it's really difficult, but if you keep accurate, you keep plenty of power, and if you watch how much you use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, that's all correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely correct.
unidentified		They can raise it 100% as far as I care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a pretty smug attitude, I'd say.
unidentified		I know, that's an attitude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, if you've really gone off-grid, then you've earned it.
		You can have that attitude.
		So, to Californians, you say.
unidentified		That's right.
		They use it and they use it and they abuse it.
		I know a guy that's got a fan running right now and probably is cooler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a fan and a cooler running.
unidentified		Well, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a power pig.
		I have no choice.
		You know, I've got all this equipment.
		I have to keep it cool in here.
unidentified		Well, I can imagine with the equipment, but it's 65 degrees outside.
unidentified		Why not open the door?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have an open window right now.
		And actually, it's 50.9 where I am outside, and I have an open window.
		Inside the studio, it's still almost 75 degrees, even with cooling.
unidentified		Say, have they ever finished the double lane road going up to Perrump?
unidentified		Because the last time I was there was...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With the exception of a little bit down on the Las Vegas side, it's all four lanes coming here from Las Vegas now.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, what a place to get killed.
		Maybe it's good.
		Maybe it's not.
		It's going to bring a lot of people out here who otherwise would not have moved to Perump, that big four-lane highway, because now it's reasonable to commute to Las Vegas.
		So we're getting a big influx of people from Las Vegas and a big influx of people from California, and they're all descending on Perump because it's a cool place.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Am I answering?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's prime first thing you do.
		It's like the prime directive.
		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		Who am I speaking with?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon.
unidentified		Who am I speaking with?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Frank.
unidentified		Frank?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Frank.
		I'm the screener before the engineer.
		You've got to talk to you to get to Art.
unidentified		Ah, I finally got through.
unidentified		Yeah, I've been listening to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's a process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not all the way through yet, obviously, but you are talking to me.
unidentified		Yeah, I had a question for Art.
		Okay, what was it?
		Well, he's never talked about certain things about cigarettes.
		I feel like there's a lot of interesting stuff about tobacco and just what information is real and what information isn't real about health risks about tobacco.
		I mean, obviously tobacco is harmful, but it seems like there's a lot of very intense anti-tobacco propaganda.
		And sometimes I wonder, you know, what forces that are out there might want us not to smoke for some strange reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Masons.
unidentified		The Masons?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Masons, yes.
unidentified		Why would they not want us to smoke?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		I think that a healthy portion of them do, but, you know, they probably want it.
		It's like the last hamburger.
		They're going to keep it all within the Masonic Brotherhood.
		I have no idea, sir.
		I actually answered your question.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to pass this on to Harry the Engineer?
unidentified		Uh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, just a moment.
		Harry the Engineer.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		I was told you had something pretty good for art.
		Well, I don't know if it's any good.
		It's just a question that I've had that it's a topic that he's never addressed on his show in the time I've been listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would that be, sir?
unidentified		The question of what government or I don't even know if it's government forces, but what kind of propaganda might exist about cigarette smoking because of some wish that we don't have to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Secret smoking, right?
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said secret smoking.
unidentified		Cigarette smoking, yeah.
		Yeah.
		Mays, sir.
		Ah, that's what the last guy I spoke to said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really want to take this to art, all the way to art?
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
		I'm not sure if it's actually that interesting of a question.
		I just, I've never heard him talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My terrible, We're going to pass it on to him then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, I mean, if it's an interesting enough question.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll pass it on.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Carline, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		How are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right.
unidentified		I think I need to turn down my radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Prime Director.
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		That was, you're honoring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		You are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you can take so much and then you can't take any more for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's the way I get, you know, I get it off my chest that way.
unidentified		It's cute.
unidentified		I had a dream that I have to tell you that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've got to do a show on dreams soon because I've been having a lot of really weird dreams lately.
unidentified		So have I. Really weird.
		Earthquake.
		I was inside a building.
		This is weird.
		It was like a movie almost.
		I was inside a building and it was just rocking and it just got really bad.
		The earthquake was just huge.
		And then it was like a movie.
		It just stopped.
		Then all of a sudden, I'm in this, I don't know, like not a ship, but some kind of capsule.
		But we're underwater.
		Isn't that weird?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do you live?
unidentified		I live in Silicon Kingdom Valley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not weird at all.
unidentified		I know.
		I mean, I'm having this dream, and I wake up, and I'm like dizzy almost from feeling the earthquake in my dream, and I know it's not real, but you're in a capsule.
		I'm in a capsule and it's going through water.
		And that's the only way you can get from...
		It was in water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe, then, you should consider your dream to be prophetic, and you should get a capsule and have it nearby, kind of like the mirror escape capsule.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When the astronauts would get really terrorized, they'd climb down into the mirror escape capsule and wait to see what would happen.
unidentified		Oh, goodness.
		It was just a dream.
		I just had to call and tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you know how to swim, right?
unidentified		A little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		A little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate that dream.
		Thank you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, this is Tim and Fargo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fargo, North Dakota, huh?
unidentified		Yep, listen on KVOX 1280.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		I just heard a report here in the news about some U.S. soldiers being exposed to sarin nerve gas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sarin nerve gas?
unidentified		During the Gulf War, there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, uh-huh.
		Well, they were.
		Listen, there were exposures to all kinds of things, and I suspect sarin.
unidentified		Yeah, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The gas detectors, they were going off like crazy.
unidentified		I don't know.
		I think it's kind of opening the door a little bit here.
		The government releasing that, you know, some were exposed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wonder if the exposure was an overt act on the part of the Iraqis, or did our destruction of some of those arsenals cause that?
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know.
		I'd like to, what's her name, Joyce Riley?
		Yes.
		I'd like to hear what she has to say about the past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can bet she'll have something to say.
unidentified		Yeah, well, thanks a lot.
unidentified		I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you, and take care.
		Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me.
		West to the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Hey, Keith Rowland, is he originally from Palmer, Alaska?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why, are the Rolands big up there in Palmer?
unidentified		Well, no, but I worked with a guy out in the Aleutian Islands named Keith Rowland.
unidentified		And if it was him, then that problem with 666 down in California, I'll tell you, he could take care of it in no time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did take care of it, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is the one who took the sixes out of the servers.
unidentified		Oh, well, you know, I had the same problem here yesterday?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		I did.
		And, well, it wasn't exactly the same problem.
		But the bank sent me a statement saying because my account was delinquent, that they were going to take $6.50 out of my account.
		Out of my savings account?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, so I was talking to my son.
		He gets my bank statements.
		I live up in the hills.
		Anyway, he looked at my bank statement, and it said in my savings account there was $6.66.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you got it covered then.
unidentified		Yes, and I've got another thing here.
unidentified		I think that the next investigation that Linda Moulton Howe should do is how widespread this Lima bean loathing is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't need Linda to do that.
		It's worldwide.
		Nobody could like Lima beans.
unidentified		But then I want to know if one of the symptoms of the Lima Bean loathing is maybe a sensitivity to poor audio quality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Possibly.
		It certainly could be.
		And I certainly have that sensitivity.
		Well, thank you very much for all that.
unidentified		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And goodbye.
		It's definitely worldwide.
		Nobody could like lima beans.
		Lima beans are.
		They're nature's mistake.
		That's what they are.
		Lima beans are nature's mistake.
		The coarseness of them.
		The gushiness of them.
		The greenness of them.
unidentified		The foul taste of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The way they slosh around in your mouth, and you just know you don't even want to take another bite of it.
		Nature's mistake.
		First time, call our line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
		Going once, going twice, going.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Keith from Hamilton, Ontario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'd like to talk to you about this rash of school shootings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I believe the parents should be held about 60% responsible.
		It shows what kind of life we're in where a parent can't acknowledge anything wrong with their own child.
		I mean, surely they must see some signs or at least a sign.
		It would be just like my theory of wrestling.
		Kids are doing it in the backyards and the playgrounds and kids are getting hurt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you?
unidentified		Oh, I'm 31.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		31.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember when you were 15?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember the things that were driving you when you were 15?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I just don't know.
		As adults, we sit here and we think about it, and we think we've got it figured out.
		I'm not so sure.
		I'm sure some of it is the parents' problem, but not as big a percentage as I think you imagine.
unidentified		Okay, or if you can remember, this is probably about my tenth time talking to you, but I discussed once to you my daily Hall of Fame bad luck.
unidentified		I believe you had a witch on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Evelyn Paguini.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And I talked to her about my everyday bad luck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do remember you.
unidentified		I had a lousy childhood in school, mostly before high school, and I never thought of taking my aggressions on anyone.
unidentified		I mean, no matter how bad since you're doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're making my point.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of children have had terrible, terrible childhoods and have risen up to be famous or extremely talented or, you know, it can go one of a million different directions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just don't know how you can try and pin it down to the parents.
unidentified		I would find them more responsible.
		Again, like I say, back to that wrestling thing.
		I mean, kids are getting maimed everywhere.
		As a matter of fact, there was even a death not too long ago.
		I mean, they would have to be more responsible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait a minute now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about the death that occurred with a couple of kids that were supposedly imitating the WWF, right?
unidentified		Yes, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was thrown out of court so fast and was not accepted at all.
		I'm sure you're aware of that.
		If you know that much about the story, then you know that.
unidentified		I defend anything of what wrestling goes.
unidentified		It's more adult-oriented anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, but that defense was tossed right out on its ear.
unidentified		The children are learning it from something, and I think that parents should be a better role model for their own parents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so do I. I don't disagree with you.
		I just don't think that that's it.
		Maybe that's a portion or a part of it.
		But there's too many other things at work here.
		It's pretty much society-wide and pretty much totally scattered.
		I don't know.
		It's kids from fine homes who are given almost everything.
		And it's kids who have had really bad luck and a bad life.
		And or have been tortured at school, whatever.
		And then it's the normal kids, too, so I don't know.
		I don't know.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, this is John in Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		I do know what your mystery signal is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think it is?
unidentified		It's advanced narrow-band digital voice terminal.
unidentified		It's a radio encryption sequence used by the military.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Use it now.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Al, why would it appear on the exact same frequency that they have listed for HARP?
unidentified		Well, the one frequency you were listing earlier, the 38...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		3.39.
unidentified		And FEMA is one of the agencies that uses that AND VT.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every time we find it, it disappears.
		Now, why would they care?
		If it's so encrypted, why would calling attention to it cause them to move?
unidentified		Why would they move?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I don't know what you mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, when we found it previously, we talked about it widely on this program, and it disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Poof.
unidentified		Well, it's not used constantly.
unidentified		I mean, it's used only to transmit their voice or to transmit data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know this to be true?
unidentified		Well, that signal you're playing, you can find it on the internet.
unidentified		There's several places that have it recorded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sure that's right.
		Yes, uh-huh.
		Yes, indeed.
unidentified		If you go to any search engine, you just type in A-N-D-V-T.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, A-N-I'm going to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A-N-D-V-T?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm going to do exactly that and see what I come up with.
		Thank you.
		In the meantime, I've never heard anything like it.
		Lester, the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hey, I got a quick little joke to wrap up the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I heard you bemoaning the leadership of the solar energy question earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and everybody takes that to mean that I'm bashing George Bush.
unidentified		Oh, no, I agree with you.
		But, you know, here's something about our new fearless leader we have in the White House.
		I heard a good comedian joke about him.
		He said he likes to brag about he works out 30 to 60 minutes a day with weights now.
		He says it really clears his head.
		Then the comedian said, don't you think he's been working out a little bit too much lately?
		I would certainly agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, cute, sir.
		Very cute.
		Very cute.
		I appreciate the call, and I guess I'm going to take that as the final joke of the evening.
		You have a good night.
		You do.
		All right.
		Take care.
		I don't know enough about George Bush yet to be bashing him, so I'm not really doing that.
		It would be any president who would be in the White House right now as we face a power crisis.
		I think it is horrendous, along with, in other words, what they're doing is fine.
		Look to the oil and the coal, because in the short term, we're absolutely going to need it.
		But at the same time, they should be saying, look, our job as a leader of this country is to look at what we're going to be using 10 or 20 or 30 years from now.
		Therefore, let us begin now with solar and wind and other ways.

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