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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 15th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest Abuja.
		Good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours, from the island of Guam out across the international date line, way out there, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, soon Puerto Rico as well, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. Good morning.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		And I should like to welcome yet another affiliate.
		Let's see who have we got here.
		WAJR in Morgantown, West Virginia.
		1440 on the dial in Morgantown, West Virginia.
		Hello to Dale Miller, the GM there, and Jim Stallings, the PDE.
		Thank you for getting us on.
		As we continue our drive to 500, that's 500 affiliates.
		We're well on the way.
		Now, I should like to announce to radio stations, while I'm thinking and remembering it, that we began doing something about two weeks ago, I think it was about two weeks ago, that all of you should know about.
		We began doing pre-feeds of the program so that radio stations can actually begin picking the program up at 7 o'clock Pacific time or 10 o'clock Eastern time or at just four time zones in between or way out there.
		In other words, we're beginning the show three hours earlier, which actually is the show from the night before, so that so many radio stations have asked for it.
		We've already got, I don't know how many taking it, but a bunch already taking it.
		So we officially began doing prefeeds a couple weeks ago.
		It's been kind of an industry secret for a while.
		That's one way to hear more of the show a little bit earlier.
		So every day we prefeed the previous day's program for three hours, which means that if a radio station out there has a hole they want to fill and some listeners have a show they want to hear, you can get it.
		You know, we're on the same satellite channel, same everything, except three hours earlier.
		So prefeeds, folks, listeners, program directors, board ops, notes to PDs, that kind of thing, prefeeds are available now.
		It's popular demand and all that stuff.
		All right, well, do you remember I told you that this was actually some time ago now, that when I was coming back from the Radio and Records talk convention, that something really incredible happened.
		We were in between Baker, California and Pahrump.
		And believe me, folks, when I tell you, that is, well, it's the desert of the sea is what it is.
		It's the most amazing desert that you've ever seen in your life.
		You know, you pass a sign that says, no services for 56 miles or whatever.
		And they mean that.
		I mean, there is nothing.
		There is not a human being.
		There is nothing there.
		You are just driving in desert, period.
		You don't see, there is no homes.
		There are no businesses.
		There is nothing.
		It's a serious Western American desert.
		Now, we came back from Los Angeles, drove back from Los Angeles this kind of backway, coming through this incredible country.
		And my wife and I were driving about, I think we were coming through this area, which is, oh, I don't know, maybe 40 or 50 miles from home, maybe a little less, at about 5.30 in the morning.
		It was an incredible morning last Sunday.
		Oh, my God, what a morning.
		The moon was up above the horizon.
		And when we were coming through this part of the desert, we've been getting a lot of rain, too damn much rain in the desert.
		We're not supposed to get this much rain in the desert.
		But when that occurs, great areas of dry lake beds fill up with water, albeit two or three inches of water.
		But when I say a lot of water, I mean miles and miles and miles of water.
		It's awesome to see in the desert.
		It's just absolutely awesome.
		And here we are winging it along at more miles per hour than I should have been doing, no doubt, at that time of the morning.
		Actually, let's see, they can't get me for what I say, right?
		About 95 miles an hour, we're clipping along.
		And I'm in the Firebird Trans Am.
		And I look out my window to the left, and I see the most awesome thing that I've ever seen in my whole life.
		This moonlit desertscape with the mountains in the background and this sea of water.
		It's a magical scene.
		I'm telling you, it's an absolutely magical scene.
		Now, photographs never do this kind of thing justice because a photograph just can't take in as much as the eye can take in.
		But I thought, you know, I've got a camera with me, 35 millimeter, I've got to give it a try.
		So I stopped the car, pulled over to the side of the road, stopped the car, and obviously it's dark, just only moonlight, and I thought, hmm, I wonder if I can open the shutter on this camera and get this shot.
		And, you know, it's so incredible.
		I mean, it's just absolutely, it stopped me whether I was going to take a photograph or not.
		It was so awesome.
		I just stopped and went, oh my God, look at that.
		It was that kind of a shot.
	And so I did.
	I stopped the car, turned off the engine, put the camera on the hood of my car so that it would be held steady, gingerly reached over and punched the shutter.
	And I did that many times, trying different angles, just hoping upon hope that maybe, maybe I'd get a usable shot.
	Well, today I got the photographs back.
	Ramona went and developed the photographs.
	And by God, I got a real doozy.
	So it's on my website right now.
	I'm really proud of this photograph.
	In the foreground, you'll see a reflection of the Trans Am's hood.
	And you'll actually see the clouds.
	And then you'll see the moon up there.
	And you'll see everything lit.
	And you'll see this desert of the sea picture.
	So you're seeing the front part of the bottom part of the picture is a reflection of my hood.
	Then you see the highway, because I was pulled over.
	Then you see miles of desert.
	Then you see miles of water.
	And then you see the mountains.
	All of this lit only by the moon.
	It is, I think, an astounding photograph.
	I got it back today and I went, yay!
	You know, rolls and rolls of film, and you get one big money picture.
	Well, this was the one big money picture, and I've got it up there right now.
	So if you go to my website, you can see it.
	It's pretty awesome.
	It's called the Desert of the Sea.
	And we all know where the Desert of the Sea came from, right?
	It came out of the mouth of a babe.
	Maggie, the Desert of the Sea.
unidentified		Hello, everybody, from the Desert of the Sea.
		This is Maggie.
		Do you want to take a ride?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Desert of the Sea.
		And so I've got a picture of the Desert of the Sea on my website right now.
		Pretty awesome stuff, I think.
		Take a look and let me know what you think.
		All right, so anyway, I've got that out of my system.
		It was a magical moment.
		You know, it was one of those moments in life where you just stop, and I understand the photograph doesn't do it justice, but you just look out there and you go, oh my God, I love where I live.
		I love the desert.
		It's a strange place, but no matter where you are in the nation, if you take a look at this, it will at least give you some insight into this rugged, incredible country that I live in out here.
		Let's see.
		Vermont votes to ban gay marriages.
		Less than a year after they had approved civil unions for same-sex couples, the state house today voted to explicitly outlaw gay marriage.
		Earthquake in El Salvador.
		Two powerful earthquakes, then two smaller ones rattled quake-stricken El Salvador today, causing people to flee out into the streets.
		They've about had it with earthquakes.
		There were no immediate reports of injuries or damage.
		Oh, CNN tonight, by the way, reporting our spring is going to be a very violent spring, weather-wise.
		Very violent.
		Duh.
		Anyway, they had a meteorologist on there, and they had a big story just prior to airtime, last half hour before airtime, and they went through how it's going to be such a violent spring.
		Well, what has the market been doing?
		Somebody sent me this, and I thought, right on.
		Dow, Dow average, one point on the Dow.
		Know this as I point out to you what I'm about to point out.
		One point on the Dow equals $400 million.
		One point on the Dow equals $400 million.
		So, on Monday, we lost 450 points.
		On Tuesday, we gained 90 points.
		On Wednesday, we lost 320 points.
		On Thursday, we gained 55 points.
		Some recovery, huh?
		$400 million per point.
		I thought tonight, in what remains of this first hour, and you know, we've got Evelyn Paglini coming on next hour, and she is, believe me when I tell you, that Evelyn Paglini is the real McCoy.
		She is a witch.
		And we will examine not just the dark side, although, as you well know, I lean toward an interest in the dark side of witchcraft.
		Yeah, we're going to talk a lot about the dark side, actually.
		But we're going to ask a lot about witchcraft in general.
		President Bush has made some statements about Wicca that would certainly lead one to believe that he'd like to see it done away with as a religion.
		And as you know, I'm probably an agnostic, kind of an agnostic.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, it seems to me that the Wiccans have every bit as much right to have their religion, their belief system, as the Catholics do or the Mormons do or anybody else does.
		Just because you don't like somebody's religion is no reason to sort of declare it a non-religion, you know, like they want to take away Pluto's status as a planet, right?
		Or they want to take away Wicca's status as a religion.
		I don't think I'm going for that one.
		But I thought maybe this hour, I got this really cool email from somebody who concocted headlines from the year 2051.
		Headlines from the year 2051.
		And so I thought I would ask all of you to come up with a headline that you think would be in the year 2051.
		That's an interesting year, 2051.
		I probably won't be here.
		Pretty safe bet, I won't be here.
		Some of you will be here.
		Some of you will get close.
		And some of you can just imagine.
		What kind of headline could you imagine for the year 2051?
unidentified		Hmm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the person who sent me this sent a number that I kind of like.
		Here's one, for example.
		Imagine this headline.
		Texas executes last remaining citizens.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 15, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or another headline for the year 2051.
		It's kind of a good year to choose because in the year 2051, I think you can imagine what might be.
		It's not so far ahead that it escapes your projection from current trends.
		You know, you can project from current trends.
		And look ahead, even if you're not going to be here, at the year 2051 and imagine what might be.
		Suppose by then we've made alien contact.
		This person says, here's the headline.
		Great and benevolent galactic ruler reveals that anal probes were, quote, just for fun, end quote.
		Or how about Baltimore Rams defeat St. Louis Ravens?
		Pope Phil II settles custody battle with ex-wife.
		DC Zoo to receive rare cow.
		Ooh, that's an ominous headline when you think about it.
		DC Zoo to accept rare cow.
		Receive rare cow.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe by then, they'd be like the pandas trying to mate them to keep them alive.
		Hoof and mouth disease, mad cow disease, decimated all the cows of the world sometime after 2006.
		And by 2051, they'll be in zoos and we'll be trying to artificially impregnate cows so we can get more cows.
		Anyway, I thought if you had a headline for 2051, that might be fun this morning.
		Otherwise, open lines right until Evelyn Paglini in the next hour.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Chris in Fort Pierce?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Chris.
unidentified		I'd just like to touch on the subject of chemtrails, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chemtrails, all right?
unidentified		Who made the statement or who has the theory that they may be aluminum particles?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, William Thomas, but from the chemist that he talked to.
unidentified		My understanding that chloride is an aluminum particle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you see, it's not exactly a theory.
		They tested some material, and that's what's seven times the amount of aluminum that should have been there.
		That was from rainwater.
		Rain.
		Rainwater, sir.
unidentified		Are the particles small enough that they could be ingested?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean, obviously, if it's in rainwater, of course you could ingest them.
unidentified		In areas without municipal water supplies that are thriving with fluoride.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the rain would fall into the municipal water supplies, right?
unidentified		Yes, it would, but perhaps they're spraying in areas more that don't have municipal water supplies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, sir, if you listen carefully last night, they're spraying in all areas.
		I don't think we know of any area where they have not seen chemtrails.
		What I thought really was different last night, and which I'm willing to consider, is that we know we're in trouble with the weather.
		I mean, look at the CNN story, right, last night.
		We know we're in trouble.
		So that our government would be doing something about it or trying to do something about it, I think is rather logical.
		I mean, here we have a president who is not going to control emissions, decided to break his promise on that.
		And yet he knows, he knows that we've got to do something about the weather, not publicly perhaps, because then there'd be a demand to stop the use of fossil fuels.
		And he doesn't want to do that.
		He's an oil guy.
		I understand that.
		So we were talking about this last night, kind of throwing it around.
		If the president had one choice of a billion-dollar program to try and modify the weather, take it down a couple of degrees, and hundreds of billions of dollars of economic damage on the other, what would he likely do?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, good evening, Art.
		It's John Scotsdale.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine, John.
unidentified		Sure, that's good.
unidentified		I wanted to tell you, pursuant to your comment about the headline about cows being endangered species.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		GC zoo to receive rare cows.
unidentified		50 years hence.
		I certainly hope not.
		Where I should have gone the other night when I called and I picked a bad time to tell you a good story, was that I think a lot of this stuff on TV, you know, with the hoof and mouth and mad cow disease and everything else, I really think that there's some serious problems, but I also believe that they're being overblown and made into sort of a threat-seared thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I was watching CNN the full half hour just to see what was going on before the show, and they were showing slaughtered animals miles and miles and miles of slaughtered animals.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Problem reaction solution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		It's a dangerous thing to eat beef.
		Don't you know that?
		It makes you strong and smart and self-reliant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I love beef, and I'm going to be sick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to be sick if it gets over here, if it's confirmed it's over here.
unidentified		Well, I'll be out of a job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		But until then, that invitation stands, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, invitation?
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		Remember I said I'll buy you the best steak you've ever had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least until then, huh?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would be out of a job, wouldn't you?
unidentified		Yeah, well, I just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I got another headline for you.
unidentified		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		2051.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ready?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Authentic year 2000 Chad sells for $6.9 million at Southpeace.
unidentified		Love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
unidentified		Take care.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about this?
		Nursing home lawsuit case.
		Clinton denies Candy Striper's allegations.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, I have to turn off the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you do.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mandatory thing to do when you call here.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from North Providence, Rhode Island.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you?
		All right.
		you just changed phones absolutely because you don't like radio phones so Yours wasn't too bad as they go.
		Anyway, what's up?
unidentified		Well, you know, I know you're doing open lines.
unidentified		I was on a flight from Florida up to Providence, and a craft had come alongside our aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		On the way up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did the pilot see it?
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
		I asked the flight attention.
		Stewardess, look at this.
		Oh, my God.
		It's on the wing.
		Well, it wasn't on the wing.
		I'm not going to exaggerate, but it was very close to the aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pounding on the window!
unidentified		Not quite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not quite, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Running parallel with your airplane, huh?
unidentified		Absolutely, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did the stewardess say?
unidentified		Well, they said it was another airplane, and I don't believe that it was in such close proximity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, did it look like an airplane?
unidentified		No, it didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did it look like?
unidentified		It was triangular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it was triangular, of course it didn't look like an airplane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what's the matter with that stewardess?
unidentified		Sheesh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me see.
		Do I have any more?
		Let's see.
		How about this?
		It wasn't the cigarettes.
		It was the ashtrays.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
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		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 15, 2001.
		Let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Howdy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Howdy.
unidentified		Yeah.
		First of all, I had a floodline, kind of involving cows.
		Cows, yes.
		Last cow put down.
		Whoppers no longer offered at $19.99.
		$19.99.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose by then they might be, huh?
unidentified		I would think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Prize for about $6.95.
unidentified		Secondly, you've done quite a bit of study revolving the pyramids.
		Yes.
		In fact, you're probably one of the only few people that's actually lied in the esophagus, which I taught the picture back a couple years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw that photo, huh?
unidentified		Oh, man.
unidentified		I mean, how the feeling must have been inside you, you know, what I went through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't even imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was an unusual opportunity to see.
unidentified		How you even got there with that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Dr. Zahi Hawass, who runs Giza with an iron fist, and baby, I mean an iron fist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody gets in the way of that guy.
unidentified		He actually pulled up some of the recent photos as well with Ramona standing out when you were taking up a second trip down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's the madman of Giza.
		He really runs that thing, and he let me do it.
		He stopped everybody and let me lie in that thing.
		And I felt something through my entire body.
		I mean, there was no question about it.
		Through my whole Easter.
		The Rockies called Whole Free, 1-800-825-5033.
		See, now, look, I've got to blow that away because you're not allowed to give your last name on the air.
unidentified		Oh, no, that's my first name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your first name is two names?
unidentified		No, my first name is Eric Colin, that's K-E-S.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you said Colin.
unidentified		Yeah, first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were saying your name was Eric Colin.
unidentified		No.
		God, I hope not, unless it's healthy.
		Quite frankly, Arth, what do you think as far as I was looking through the book, Book of Knowledge, Keys of Enoch by J.J. Hurtak, kind of making reference to, from a philosophy standpoint, of the pyramids being more of a focal point for celestial time travel and higher light being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's entirely possible.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		I mean, most things are in this world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what we know about the pyramids.
		We know they're not burial places for the dead.
		And when we, you know, in school, remember school, they said, well, they were tombs for the dead.
		No, they were not.
		They are not.
		We're not, and are not.
		Not that at all.
		In fact, the rare was the person to be buried in there at all.
		Most of those who built it had catacombs of burial elsewhere, off from the side of Giza.
		I don't think we truly understand what the pyramids are for, but we know that scientifically they are fascinating.
		In their construction, it's impossible.
		In fact, even today, we could not build those pyramids.
		Can't be done.
		Dr. Hawai showed me how you Might split the stones, but he had no explanation, nor does anybody else for how they got up there.
		And many have tried.
		The Japanese had a project to show how it was done, and they failed miserably, and so has everybody else.
		To this very day, we couldn't duplicate it.
		So we have no idea what they're for.
		Could they be for time travel?
		Oh my yes, of course they could.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I doubt very much if any of us are going to be around in that year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is always that possibility.
unidentified		Oh, it is even more clear than ever, because what I'm going to reveal to you tonight are the four secrets that have been revealed to me by whom?
		By the first one, by Mr. Michael Wells-Mandeville on the polar shift, which is coming up.
		The second secret was revealed by Colonel Ed Daines on your program about two or three weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major Ed Daines.
unidentified		Major Ed Staines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Details.
unidentified		And when you asked him to look into the future, Mr. Ed Daines says he saw people underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Now, the third secret.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, that still is a future, though.
unidentified		The third secret.
		How close?
		The third secret was revealed by a gentleman by the name of Bill Goertz of the Washington Times and Charles Smith of Software.net, who have been following what the Russians have been doing for the last four or five years.
		Oh, yes.
		And they have been building large undergrounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they've been doing that for a long time.
unidentified		Yes, for 250,000 people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to the fourth one.
unidentified		The fourth one are the crop circles.
unidentified		And the crop circles are warnings to us as what is coming and what continents are going to be subsiding, which are going to be lifting up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I'll accept all that as certainly one reason or four reasons, if you will, why we may not be here.
		But we may be here, too.
		I mean, history is on our side in terms of longevity.
		I'm not saying that civilizations have not come and gone.
		I'm not saying all the warning signs are there that ours may not be gone by then.
		But the odds are on our side.
		Now, what kind of world will we have in 2051?
		I guess that's what we're considering with our headlines, isn't it?
		What kind of world will it be?
		Here's another one.
		Florida to be readmitted to Union.
		Plague of spotted owls threatens crops, livestock.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, I'm calling from Dartmouth, Nova Scotia.
unidentified		It's Dan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hi, Dan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way out there, huh?
unidentified		Way up here.
		Yeah, I called you there last week.
		And I've got some other things I want to say.
		I'll say for another call.
		This time I'm just wanting to make an appeal.
		You recall I mentioned to you that CJCH here is no longer going to be carrying you.
		It's going to become a 24-hour sports channel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I wanted to make an appeal myself.
		Nobody can stand sports for 24 hours.
		Now, I understand that during the day, sports go on.
		People play various sports, but in the overnight hours, the only thing they could possibly do is rehash what happened during the day.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whereas they could carry us live and carry sports the rest of the time.
		So the appeal would be to have people call up and say, hey, we don't want it 24 hours a day.
		Sports are fine.
		Give us something else at night.
unidentified		Exactly.
		I called the station and I complained and I got a voicemail and I didn't get a call back.
		So I wanted to ask if there's any other listeners out there from the greater Halifax metro area.
		And I know there's a few that called because the receptionist told me there's been a few.
		But more should call in because we hate to lose you.
		It's like a Bastion of Freedom we're going to lose here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Flood the radio station.
unidentified		That's what I'm hoping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With calls.
		Yeah, calls.
		I take things literally sometimes.
		With calls.
		I mean, really, it does just make common sense.
		What I'm saying really does make common sense.
		Sports.
unidentified		They're planning on changing it in April, so we don't have much time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, call now, folks, in Nova Scotia.
		Save us.
		Save the program.
		Thank you very much.
		Take care.
		How much sports can anybody handle?
		What are they going to talk about at 2 o'clock in the morning?
unidentified		2 o'clock in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A hockey game?
		At 2 a.m.?
		I don't think so.
		East of the Rockies?
		You're on air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, extinguish thy radio.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Reach over there and get that sucker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now tell us where you are calling from.
unidentified		Just outside of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		First question I'd like to ask you.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What frequency are you running on your ham radio?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well you mean where do i hang out i'm on all kinds of I mean, after the show, it says something about you.
		Well, after the show, sometimes I'll show up on 3830.
		38.
		On 75 meters, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes.
unidentified		Tried to get you last night, but I didn't hear you in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wasn't there last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And even on the best of nights, on 75, that's going to be a pretty long haul.
unidentified		Yeah, it should be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we could do it.
unidentified		Anyway, I have two things.
		First of all, you were talking about Kim Trouse last night.
		yes and considering that i am a pre baby boomer i can remember from when i was a child i don't know how brown young that wasn't time but Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Anyway.
		I can remember the contrails in the air and maintaining their shape for very, very long periods of time.
		Maybe 20 kind of minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, well, depending on the atmosphere, that can certainly occur.
		It can still occur today.
		But chemtrails are a very different story from a white, puffy little contrail.
		Very different.
		I mean, the sky can turn dirty, oily.
		You can get rainbow effects in the sky, that sort of thing, indicating there's a lot more in it than just, you know, water mist.
unidentified		Yeah, well, anyway, I looked on your website and looked at the pictures that you had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I couldn't determine from those pictures anything different than what I'd seen when I was younger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I could.
		Now, I am a baby boomer.
		i was born in forty five No, no, no, no.
unidentified		If you were born at 45...
unidentified		Yeah, unless you were born at the moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm kind of on the cusp of the baby boomers.
		I mean, my mom was in the Marine Corps of my dad before the Second World War, and I ended my mom's Marine career when I was born on Camp Lejeune, North Carolina.
		So I was kind of like, that's kind of like on the cusp of baby boomer.
unidentified		Before September of 45?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		June 17th of 1945.
unidentified		Yeah, you're pre-baby boomer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I'm on the cusp, though.
unidentified		Yeah, you're still going to have your Social Security cut anyway.
unidentified		You still fall into the notch baby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do not.
unidentified		Yes, you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's back in 1917, if you check into it.
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like a two-year period back in 1917 or way back there somewhere.
unidentified		Our previous president put in a new notch baby that goes from somewhere in the early 40s up until, I think, 1965.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he can kiss my Social Security card if he really did that.
		Because I've paid Social Security all my life, so they better not notch me.
		The notch referred to some people who were in Social Security the original.
		I don't even want to go into the whole notch thing.
		Was it the Rockies?
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		I have a small prophecy to make.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A prophecy?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a prophet?
		No.
		Well, you are if you're going to make a prophecy.
		A beginner prophet.
		All right.
		What is your prophecy?
unidentified		Pakistan and Sri Lanka will be the first nations to send off nuclear weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not exactly sticking your neck too far out, sir.
		Well, I guess the Sri Lanka part is.
		God, that was true.
unidentified		Arthur better get out of there, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, there's a lot of news on Arthur C. Clarke.
		A lot of news.
		And I'm kind of holding some of it back.
		You'll be hearing about it next week.
		Boy, is there a lot of news about Arthur C. Clarke.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air?
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		You were saying that you thought they had someone or they sprayed on you at the Super Bowl?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I said was I got a couple, actually quite a few emails indicating that people thought the Super Bowl was sprayed.
unidentified		Well, remember they also tracked everybody?
unidentified		They scanned everybody going in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Heck of a daddy base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big brother big time, yes.
unidentified		They could keep that, even the kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they claimed that they scanned every single person who went into the Super Bowl in Tampa and tried to figure out if there were criminals in the crowd.
		And, you know, it's interesting.
		They didn't find one.
unidentified		But they have a heck of a database of anybody that they did spray if they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they claim, you know, they destroyed that database and the photographs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe them?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me neither.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it, sir.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, I'm all right.
unidentified		If I got art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you've got is a radio on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn that off immediately.
unidentified		Hello?
		Art?
		Probably.
		Hello.
		Doesn't that echo in the air?
		Hello?
		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wild card line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I'd like to discuss chemtrails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you now?
		All right.
		What do you want to say?
unidentified		You were talking about aluminum in chemtrails?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aluminum in chemtrails, yes.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		You know, Alcoa makes atomized aluminum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aluminum.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a hard word to say aluminum.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, are you shutting down windows or just opening them?
unidentified		Well, actually, I was just opening them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you get on and you get on the web, take a look at the photograph I took in the desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's absolutely awesome.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I'm a truck driver.
		Okay.
		I have had the occasion to pull atomized aluminum out of a suburb of Chicago going to Morton Thiokol.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morton Thiokol was out here, well, their rocket thing was out here in the desert, the one that blew up, remember that?
unidentified		Right.
		They have some places in Utah also.
		And atomized aluminum is used to stabilize the flame front, and it's used in the solid rocket engines of the shuttle.
		Yes.
		Now, I was not aware that Hughes had a patent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently they do.
unidentified		Evidently they do.
unidentified		But it does not surprise me that they are using atomized aluminum in their jet fuels because this would stabilize the flame front for the compressors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I'm not sure that they're doing it.
		Nobody's sure that they're doing it.
		It's suggested because they found rainwater, you know, unless you actually go up there into what's called a chemtrail.
		The only other way you can do it is the way he said he did it.
		He said, if you recall last night, that they analyzed rainwater that came through these chemtrails, and they found, what, seven times the amount of aluminum they should have.
unidentified		Correct.
		But let's assume that they were using aluminum, atomized aluminum, just as Morton Thiokol did, to stabilize the flame front on the compressors of jet engines.
		Might be.
		This would increase the output of the jet engine and make it more efficient.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might.
unidentified		It indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might, but you see, that isn't what the patent was for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The patent was for weather modification, sir.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying that what you're suggesting about jet engines might not be correct, but the intent of the patent was weather modification, actually cool the Earth a couple of degrees by reflecting some of the sunlight.
		Atomized, if you'll want to put it that way, aluminum that would remain in the atmosphere for perhaps even years.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, this is Don from Nashville, big 997 station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I wanted to talk about the pyramids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we don't have a lot of time, so let her rip.
unidentified		Okay, they had on TV that they found a burial ground off one of the pyramids, off the Tutu's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And they dug down and they cleared it all out and everything, and they found the stone down there that they made them out of.
		And let's see.
		They found people that built them.
		And they found a whole village.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was there, sir.
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was there.
		I walked through the burial area for the people that built the pyramids.
		I was there.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		Well, this is Art Bell, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		okay well i was just saying they they dug up uh...
unidentified		a whole city and they even found uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well it's an entire I'm sorry.
		It's an entire burial area for all the people that built the pyramids.
		I stood at those grave sites.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		This baby I'm keen, I'm kind of a boy.
		I'll give you all that I own.
		Got me standing in line, out in the cold.
		Baby, somebody.
		I'm a story told.
		You take yourself, you take myself on the road.
		Another night, another day goes by.
		I never saw myself to wonder what.
		You have to forget to play my role.
		You take yourself, you take myself on the road.
		I, I live among the creatures of the night.
		I haven't got the will to try and fight.
		Against the moon tomorrow.
		So I guess I'll just believe it.
		Tomorrow will never come.
		I'm saying it's night.
		I'm living in the forest of a dream.
		I know the night is not as it would seem.
		I must believe in something so I...
		I'll make myself believe this night and never go.
		Premier Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 15th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		We're going to talk about witchcraft.
		So listen to me carefully.
		I mean, real witchcraft.
		Some of it black witchcraft.
		If this kind of thing bothers you, turn the radio off.
		Go listen to a 24-hour sports station or something, because this will offend you.
		I really want to take just one more moment for those stations that are joining us at this hour to go take a look at a photograph I'm really proud of.
		Here's what I wrote on the website by the photograph.
		It says, This is the one in a million picture taken early Sunday morning, March 11th, 2001, as Ramona and myself returned from the Radio and Records Talk Seminar in L.A. Yes, we'll get those photographs up, by the way, folks, eventually.
		It was taken between Baker, California and Perump, Nevada at about 5.30 a.m. in the morning.
		In the distance, you can see about two or three inches of water covering the desert, lit by the moon.
		And I'm telling you, there were hundreds or thousands of acres covered with two or three inches of water in the desert.
		The reflection of the clouds at the bottom of the picture that you see is my trans am where I had the camera resting for a long exposure.
		I stopped.
		It took my breath away.
		I looked at this.
		I said, God, I've got to get a picture of it.
		It's unbelievable.
		It's out in the middle of nowhere.
		And I got the, by God, I got the picture.
		It came out unbelievably.
		You can see the moon.
		You can see the clouds all lit by the moon.
		You can see this incredible sea in the middle of the desert.
		It's an amazing photograph.
		So if you go to my website, you just get there.
		You go to What's New, and you go to Photo, Arts Desert of the Sea.
		Tell me if that is a pretty cool picture.
		It was absolutely magical.
		That's what we're going to talk about here shortly, is magic.
		Somebody sent me this.
		Actually, Grace sent this.
		Grace says, boy, is she right.
		If you have cats, you'll understand exactly what I mean.
		It says, I don't know if anyone has ever mentioned this, but I was petting my cat the other day.
		She likes to have her head fully covered by her hand.
		A lot of cats like that, I know.
		And when I smoothed down her face and ears toward the back of her head, I noticed the general face shape and structure is very similar to many depictions of gray aliens.
		Has anyone ever commented on this?
		Try this with one of your cats.
		Take one hand on either side of their face, smoothing the fur and the ears back.
		Voila!
		You've got Something that looks exactly like an alien.
		Could this be why the ancients, the Egyptians, revered and worshipped cats?
		Were they given to us as a reminder or perhaps as watchers for us?
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 15, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coast to Coast AM One more time, I'm going to warn you, if you're offended by discussions about witchcraft, go away.
		Here comes Dr. Evelyn Paglini, a practitioner in the occult and the supernatural with over 30 years experience.
		She was tested at Duke University, FRNM, Foundation for the Research on the Nature of Man by Dr. J.B. Rine, Dr. Helmut, Dr. J. Levy.
		She is a parapsychologist, psychic, doctor of divinity, founded the International Psychic Center in 1972, teacher, lecturer, consultant, spiritual warrior.
		Called upon as an authority on the occult and the supernatural set of president in Texas, in fact, in the court system there, on a child abuse case with ritual overtones.
		Worked as a law enforcement, worked with law enforcement, rather, on missing persons and murder cases.
		Many of her legendary cases were written in the country's leading news media through the pages of the New York Post, the Chicago Tribune, Fate Magazine, has appeared on ABC, CBS, NBC.
		Born and raised in a family of century-old occultists and practitioners of natural magic.
		Trained in natural magic by her grandfather from the age of four.
		She is Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		Hi there, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how are you, Arch?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is great to have you back.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's a pleasure to talk to you once again on air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
		All right.
		Well, you know I have a great deal of interest in witchcraft.
		I've had it for a long, long time, and I have a wife who has a lot of interest in witchcraft.
		And so I've got a lot of things to talk to you about.
		But first, I know that you regard the Wiccans in a sort of a different way.
		From your point of view as a witch, what is the Wiccan religion?
		How do you regard it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, I regard it as a religion that is involved with natural magic.
		They certainly have a creed to harm none.
		They certainly do no harm to people.
		I'm very surprised about the statement you made about President Bush.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's where I'm going here.
		Yeah, they have a creed to harm none.
		They are, is it fair to say, white witches?
		Is that a good general term?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, basically, that is exactly what they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, indeed, President Bush has made a statement with regard to some military officers, and that's his obvious attitude about the Wiccan religion.
		He wishes that it would not be regarded as a religion at all.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can understand why.
		Possibly he might be a little afraid of it being one of the fastest-growing religions out there, and because it gets the average person back into their own personal power and being able to affect change in their life.
		And certainly that is not what most organizations and businesses out there would like the average person to be able to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We claim to be a nation that reveres individualism and individual worship and all that sort of thing, but I don't know if we're quite as loose as we suggest to ourselves we are, huh?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		We're not as tolerant of other people's culture and religion as we should be, considering here in the United States where it's supposed to be a freedom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, we're big on that, but when it really gets down to it, if it's something that offends us, we're not so big on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it looks like the president is not so big on Wicca at all.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And if you fear it, you destroy it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not a Wiccan, though, are you?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm not Wiccan.
		I'm Genesian.
		I am an Italian witch.
		They call us the Stregas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the diff?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, the difference is most of the Wiccan that is around today comes from Northern Europe, the Druids and the Celtic form of tradition.
		My tradition is an awful lot older.
		It is older than the Etruscan, the Roman, the Greek, and the Egyptian.
		And so it is a matter of the old traditions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Older than Egyptian.
unidentified		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, how fun.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I am a Tuscani witch, and anybody who is involved with the ancient art and practice of magic understands that there is a small town called Tuscany in Italy that has a very unusual amount of people that have a bloodline or a lineage that predates or goes back into tens of thousands of years of heritage.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And their traditions, their forms of magic is what is used today by myself and those people who follow those principles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said tens of thousands of years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far back do you really think it goes?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I have been told by my grandfather that he had text that dated back 576,000 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of Christians who think that the world's not been around but for about 20,000 years.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's their world.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They're not talking about continents and civilizations that have submerged, that have unfortunately leased weapons upon each other and destroyed themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that.
		I had Dr. Thompson on earlier in the week who made, I thought, a very good case along with lots and lots of others, archaeologists, who say that life has come and gone, maybe not gone entirely, but virtually been squished down almost nothing several times on Earth.
		Civilizations, high-tech, some of them have come and gone.
		You believe that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I most certainly do.
		I believe that this planet also has been colonized by other species or beings from other galaxies and solar systems.
		And I also feel that we have had our DNA altered.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sort of like 2001.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Just about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then there's one basic origin difference between yourself and Wiccans.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the practical difference?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're all talking about, tonight we're going to talk a lot about practical magic.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Which was, I think, a movie title, good movie too.
		But we're going to talk a lot about real magic.
		So where is the difference there between you and the Wiccans?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I would have to say, first of all, that because of their creed to harm none, ours is different.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		We believe that if we have justification, if someone comes after ourselves or one member of our family, then we feel justified in order to use, let's say, a retaliation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your creed would be more like, don't harm too many.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Don't send it and you won't get it back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, again, there's a big difference between yourself and Christians.
		Christians, and this is why I don't, one of the reasons I don't include myself as a Christian, because Christians, it is said, should turn the other face.
		I'm not into that.
		I like my face as it is, and if somebody comes along and does it damage, I do damage back.
		I don't reach out to try to hurt anybody ever, but if they come after me to hell with them, I'm going to come after them.
		And that kind of sounds like what you believe.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is exactly what I believe.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I will use the means at my disposal in order to affect what I am going after.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and the means at your disposal are what we're going to talk about tonight.
		I've seen it work, Evelyn.
		I've seen it done myself.
		I've seen my wife do it.
		I know, I really know it can be done.
		I know it's real.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Very talented, powerful lady.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know all of this is real.
		I have seen it happen.
		It's pretty awesome to see it happen.
		And it's like everything else.
		A lot of people are doubters out there until they see it happen.
		Not many people see this kind of thing happen because it's not talked about very much, is it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's kept secret because they want to keep the knowledge as well as the power to themselves.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They certainly don't want anyone else out there knowing about it or especially learning about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would make sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it really works, if it's a real thing, if it really is practical magic, then you would want to hold it secret so that not everybody's doing it and particularly doing it to you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense.
		What can be done to a person?
		Let's just say you've got an enemy, somebody who's come after you and done harm to you or your family.
		What can be done?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, the first thing to do is a cleansing and a shield of protection on yourself.
		In other words, you want to remove the negativity that has been sent.
		After removing it, you want to reverse it back to the sender.
		Then you want to put a shield of protection around you as well as any other member of your family if they too happen to be receiving anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now let me stop you and ask you, this shield that you're putting up as you begin the process, is this to protect against the person somehow acquiring knowledge of what you're doing and coming back at you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is this to protect yourself from what's said to be natural about witchcraft, and that is that which you send out will come back times several times?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		If you have justification, if someone has been attacking you, if you are under psychic attack, then what you are doing is a cleansing, a reversal, and putting up a shield of protection so that you cannot be penetrated again.
		Therefore, that which has been blocking and stopping you or causing you harm or difficulty will not be able to penetrate the shield that you have built up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that, then, means there's an assumption that magic is being used against you in the first place.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		But most times, that wouldn't be the case.
		Would it, Evan?
		In other words, not too many people in the U.S. are really into the kind of magic you're into.
		So probably the harm that you would get from somebody would come from the real world.
		I mean, somebody, I don't know, raping your daughter, somebody robbing you and beating you up.
		I could think of a million different scenarios, but somebody doing real world damage to you.
		And so you're going to psychically go after them.
		The odds are they're not going to have magic.
		They're just going to have a bad soul.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Say that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in the real world.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		But there are people out there who have acquired knowledge, and they are using that knowledge against their fellow man.
		They are using it to either make them sick, cause them to have a disease, give them financial ruin, make every area and arena of their life, whether it's emotional, physical, whether it's love, financial, going to hell in a handbasket.
		They are using forces and energies in order to block and stop you from receiving your goods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		How many people do you think there are in this country?
		Bearing in mind, we're basically a Christian nation.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many people are there using this kind of energy against others?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How widespread is it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Very widespread.
		Very widespread.
		Most people don't realize that a little bit of knowledge is certainly going to affect others.
		And if they acquire more, if they get into nature and the elements, if they get into herbs and plants and roots and gums and resins and oils, then they have got more tools to assist them in achieving their desired goal.
		And that desired goal may be to block and stop you or to cause you harm.
		And so there are many people out there that have acquired the knowledge and are still acquiring it.
		There are schools that are taught.
		There are books that are out there.
		There are societies, lodges, and covens that you can belong to and gain this kind of knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do a lot of people use this power even though they're not aware they're using the power?
		In other words, I suppose in some ways we're all powerful spiritual beings.
		And if you're really going after somebody to ruin them, to hurt them, to in some way harm them or theirs, their family, even if you're not consciously doing it spiritually, you're still promulgating some sort of force, aren't you?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, if you have a talent and you can concentrate and focus your attention like a laser beam and direct it to a negative, it's going to manifest.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And that's what we call the average talented person that on a subconscious level is performing magic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so this is why you set up a shield before you begin the real operation.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		There is a preparation before doing a ritual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And exactly how do you protect yourself?
		How do you set up the shield?
		How do you do that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, the first thing that you're going to do is naturally cleanse your environment.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Then you are going to cleanse the instruments that you are going to use on your altar or in your temple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One step at a time.
		How do I cleanse the environment?
		How's that done?
		I'm really going after the nitty-gritty here.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, okay, what you can use is an herb like an holy herb or an archangel.
		You can also use a sulfur, which is a purifier.
		You can use sea salt.
		You can use black salt.
		All of that will help to cleanse your environment.
		You can also use sage, and that too will remove negativity from your environment.
		Then the next thing you're going to use is a blessing herb, an anointing or an altar oil, where you are going to consecrate the area that you are going to use to perform your ritual in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then if I were to tell you that I have for years now found little balloons full of black salt around my house in corners, you wouldn't be surprised about that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's supposed to be there along with maybe a little bit of five-finger grass.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe some bodo leaves.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Or even some rosemary.
		And you know what's so good about rosemary art?
		Not only can you use it as an herb to sprinkle in the corners of your home for protection, but you can grow rosemary outside of the home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, absolutely.
		Evelyn, hold on.
		We're already at the bottom of the hour.
unidentified		Little balloons full of black salt and others full of herbs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, what is this?
		Never mind.
		Just leave it there.
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		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 15th, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Further warning for you.
		We are talking about witchcraft, in some cases, pretty dark witchcraft tonight.
		So if it offends you, tune out.
		Don't sit there just seeing how offended you can get before it's all over.
		Tune out now.
unidentified		This is a subject we are going to cover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's the warning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do as you will.
unidentified		Do as you will.
		Now, take you back to the past.
		Art Bell, somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell Dr. Evelyn Keiglini is my guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn, welcome back.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, do you know that it's true that if you put black salt in little balloons, that it eventually breaks down the little balloons?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what you have after about two months is a little pile of black salt and a broken-down balloon.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is one of the ways that you can set up a shield of protection.
		Now, does that mean that if somebody is psychically attacking you, that it's going to be just sort of like a Star Trek shield?
		It's going to bounce off this shield and not affect you.
		That's the idea.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		Now, you can add a mirror or a reflection or what we call a boomerang.
		So therefore, if it is being sent to you, it is repelled back to the sender.
		Now, that's another ritual, but that also is another form of a shield of protection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That takes a ritual to do it, though, huh?
unidentified		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		So it's not that difficult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it a specific thing or is it a general thing?
		In other words, once you set up or once you do a ritual for this boomerang or mirror or whatever it is, is it specific to the one trying to harm you or is it general?
		Is it against all harm that might come your way?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If you know of a specific person who is sending you a negativity, then naturally you would want it specifically sent back.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		But you can also do one that is a general protection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it would be stronger, I would presume, if it was specific.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And if you made an effigy of the individual and it also included sympathetic and imitative magic, then you would have even more an established link.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so far this sounds like defense.
		All defense.
		Even if you're mirroring it back to whoever is doing it to you, it's still, in my way of thinking, in the category of defense.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's psychic self-defense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I suppose the mirror system is getting close to like SDI that a lot of people complain about.
		All right.
		I've got a lot of questions from listeners, and I'm going to sort of pepper them in this morning.
		Somebody asks, and I suppose this will offend somebody, but the regular clergy, you know, priests and bishops and people high up in the church, are they, in effect, using some aspects of magic?
		Even though consciously they're not doing the kind of rituals that you do, aren't they, in effect, exercising the same realm?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they are.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And depending on what level of church they belong to, there are certain, let's say, Luciferian traditions that are being practiced.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Very definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm told by people who know that within the Catholic Church at the top, there may be such practices that go on, practices held secret for more years than we can contemplate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe that to be true?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know it to be true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another widely held belief is that, this comes from Bob in Denver, but a lot of people believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you do not believe in it, in the magic, in whatever is being done to you, if you just simply say, what a pile of steaming dung, then it cannot possibly harm you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That would only be correct if that person was in balance and possibly in what they consider to be a state of grace.
		But the average person out there, no matter where they're at and where the practitioner is at, can be touched, affected, and reached.
		And they don't have to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a simple disbelief, I mean, you know, that's said about voodoo and has been for years.
		Don't believe in it, can't harm you.
		If you do believe in it, you're dead.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true, but they also have been able to affect people thousands of miles away who not only did not know about it, but also did not believe in it, and yet it still worked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then voodoo is real?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Voodoo is real.
		Every magical practice is real.
		The intent of the practitioner, the knowledge and the power of that practitioner, is what's going to define the result he gets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		All right, so then the kind of magic that you practice probably wouldn't be pursued by too many people because they would suggest that the power itself used in the way you say it can be used, I'm not suggesting you use dark magic all the time because I know you don't, but I know you can and have.
		So not too many people would pursue it because they would consider it to be the power derived from the dark side as opposed to the Christian God.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I can understand that, Art, because, again, that is a fear of the unknown.
		They don't have the knowledge.
		They haven't taken the time to study.
		It's a discipline.
		And it takes years to understand and to master.
		And so they would stay away from it.
		And the more they stay away from it, the only people who gain that power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are the people who use it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Who use it and pursue it.
		And so if you don't understand it, see, knowledge is a double-edged sword.
		If I have the power in order to protect you or to heal you, then I also have the power to destroy you.
		Same principle, same energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same source of power?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Same source of power.
		The power is neutral.
		The power is neutral.
		It is my intent.
		If I call upon the forces or the elements and I can use, let's say they take the element of earth.
		All right, you can use it for prosperity.
		You can use it for strength.
		You can use it for so many positive things.
		And yet you can also destroy a person using earth power and the force of it.
		So what you're doing is tapping into a vibration and an energy and a force.
		And you, as the practitioner, are doing the directing.
		Now, you did some experiments, Art, remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i've done many experiments uh...
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		you referred to Oh, those experiments, yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And you watched them come to fruition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To the point where it scared the hell out of me, yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Now, that was the directing of a collective consciousness and a force and an energy to accomplish a specific purpose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One that I had no understanding of whatsoever.
		I've been getting a lot of emails lately, Evelyn, asking me to provide rain for Florida, where there is now a severe drought.
		I've been contemplating this for some time.
		Don't send me more emails.
		I'm thinking about it.
		I'm afraid of this.
		It's power that I don't understand.
		I've seen it work now again and again, as you well know.
unidentified		But I've seen it work now.
		Nothing that I hide in everything.
		I've seen it work now.
		I've seen it work now all the way.
		Something that I've seen it work now.
		It's a situation that I just can't quit.
		He's like me, oh, why can't I get here?
		I've seen it work now.
		Heartache, tears, all the way.
		Something that I hate in everything.
		Everything that I hide in everything.
		Something that I hide in everything.
		All the way.
		Something that I see it work now.
		Just to slam, yeah, he's got me all one that I can hear.
		I got a lot of the parties, I got a lot of those children.
		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, another warning, so they are abundant.
		We are talking about witchcraft tonight.
		If you can't handle it, tune out.
		I have reason to know that my guest, Dr. Evelyn Paglini, is the real McCoy.
		Now, there are many who disagree with that, and we'll touch on that in a moment.
		But that's the subject, so beware.
		Conduct yourself accordingly.
		It's witchcraft tonight.
		Stay right there.
unidentified		Your start bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 15, 2001.
		Music.
		Once again, back to Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn, I know what you are.
		I have no questions in my mind about that, but I do know that when I was soliciting years ago for a witch, the Wiccans called me in force and emailed me in force and said, you're out of your mind.
		There's no such thing.
		There are just Wiccans.
		And we will inevitably tonight get Wiccans who will call and take that line, that tact.
		They will say, we are the only true witches.
		There's no witch as you described.
		I think I got cute.
		I used the broom riding cauldron stern witch.
		But the kind of witch that you are, they claim you're a fraud.
		You don't exist.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, those people I would really like to hear on air only because I'd like to know their background and their history and their discipline.
		Because any true practitioner of any religion out there knows that you are dealing with a power and that power can be used positively or negatively.
		Period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess their belief system is you cannot use it negatively, right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I really can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is what I true practitioners.
		Yeah, but that is what the Wiccans generally think, isn't it?
		That you cannot use it negatively?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to hear it from them, from their lips, because I don't believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know you're going to hear it from their lips.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've done other shows where they've called.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They're going to say that they won't do harm, and rightfully so.
		That is their creed.
		That is their principle.
		That is their life's blood.
		But that doesn't mean they haven't got the knowledge.
		Just like you were talking about earlier, defensively, they can protect themselves and their loved ones.
		They don't choose to go out and harm someone.
		But if someone comes to them, they certainly do have the tactics, the technique, and the knowledge to defend themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's talk about the kind of warrior you are.
		Let me set up a little scenario and let's see if you could do it.
		Let's say that you wanted to harm someone.
		And let's say this person had not harmed you.
		Let's say that for whatever reason you decided you wanted to harm someone, make them sick, ruin their life, end their career, cause a divorce, cause a suicide, whatever.
		Could you do that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would be the repercussions for you and could you protect yourself against them?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If that person was innocent and I deliberately went after them for no justification reason, then I would have a karmic payback.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I would pay the price.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Either in this lifetime or in my evolutionary soul lifetime.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because the soul and the Spirit is eternal, and you will pay for what you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, I mean, we see a lot of people in this lifetime that are having terrible lives, Evelyn, and not all of them, certainly, are under present psychic attack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it possible that some people who are having awful lives, terrible luck, terrible illnesses, are paying for something that was done generations ago?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's a very good possibility that karmically they are paying back for what they have done.
		Sometimes they will take on a malfunction or a disorder of the body in order for them to gain the ground of the soul.
		Not only how do they handle the disease that has been placed upon them or the malfunction or the disorder, but how are they treating other people around them?
		Are they making them pay?
		So in other words, it is a growth cycle, and it can also be a karmic cycle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Paul in Iowa asks, Evelyn, how can one who is not a witch know whether or not they're under psychic attack from someone else?
		In other words, whether you're paying karmically for something that occurred long ago or whether you're under a present psychic attack?
		How can you know?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Usually a psychic attack will come out of the blue.
		It will last for a specific length of time.
		It can be five years, 15 years, or it can be just, you know, a few months.
		What is the intent of the practitioner?
		What are they trying to accomplish?
		And so you can, by looking at your own life, if you're seeing that you can't keep your head above water, that everything you touch is going by the wayside, that you are being hit from every side, most likely you have someone who is sending this to you.
		And what you need to do is a cleansing and a protection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it would come on all at once.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It would be disastrous as opposed to a karmic repayment that would perhaps yeah now that's a new people want to they They want to break you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so it would be coming at you from every direction.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything in your life would be falling apart, including yourself, probably.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You know, in your listening audience, and I have permission from this one person, I have thousands of testimonials in the five years of helping people from your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I have one man who had had a curse placed upon him from a South African voodoo priest.
		Not only was he fighting demons in the night where he could not sleep, but he had a growth that was on his back.
		He was in his late 50s and his life for the last 20 some odd years had been hell.
		When I got involved with him, not only did we remove the curse, give him his sleepless nights, take away the growth on his shoulder, but I also increased his love life where now he's married and just recently had a child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, now, see, that's practical magic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really did.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I got the testimonial, signed affidavit from this man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't doubt it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't doubt it at all.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And that's one of thousands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk for a second about evil.
		I was sort of, I guess, asking myself in the audience and a lot of people.
		We had a school shooting down in San Diego that I know you're aware of recently, horrible one.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's a lot of that sort of thing going on.
		When I, I said earlier, I was born in June, the 17th of June of 45.
		And when I went to school, Evelyn, we didn't have that stuff going on.
		Neither did I. In today's world, we do.
		It's prolific.
		It's happening more and more and more.
		And I guess I wondered out loud if it was real evil at work in the world.
		External, real evil.
		Not just people making choices in their minds individually, although I guess that happens, but I mean, real evil at work.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you have a, oh, how do I put this?
		There are certain societies, organizations, lodges, etc., whose ultimate goal is the manipulation and control of the masses, the population.
		They are doing mind control and ritual to affect children as well as adults.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's apparently working.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Very well.
		And on other scales, they are using it in order to control and manipulate the populace in big government, big organizations, big business.
		And they usually are doing it ritualistically and unfortunately at times sacrificially.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you would imagine an opposite force.
		I don't know what that would be.
		The clergy maybe.
		The church generally as the force that would be fighting this.
		But looking around me right now, Evelyn, it looks to me like the dark side be a winning.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, this is the times that evil is, I would say, running rampant.
		Certainly personification of evil is rampant.
		It's showing its ugly head in more arenas than one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's no way to know what the future holds, is there, as a general question.
		Is evil going to continue to triumph?
		Is it going to go on for years or scores of years or hundreds or thousands of years?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, they certainly plan in the decades and the centuries.
		They are very heinous.
		They're not Looking for the result of today.
		They are always looking to second, third, fourth generation.
		So I would have to say there is an increase of evil, there is an increase of manipulation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you really think that this very much, this very real evil, these sort of blank-eyed children that are doing these horrible things that we've never seen in society before, that's being done ritualistically by secret groups.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		But what we also have going on is children of the light coming in.
		They have the sensitivities and the talents of old.
		They have precognition.
		They are able to foresee the future.
		They have sensitivities.
		They are able to speak with the dearly departed.
		In other words, there are children coming in with phenomenal talents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been told that by many.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And what's happening is because they are now being taught properly with a good discipline and a good balance, they're going to kind of level the playing field for all of those others that are being manipulated and used by the dark forces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this is a war.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It has always been a war.
		Always.
		Since the beginning of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's a sort of a small picture, an individual picture, and there's a very much a larger picture, but it's all wielding the same sources of power.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		They just will call upon different forces or entities or demons.
		They will use specific ritual in order to enhance or gain more power so that they can use that power against us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe that's one reason why our government doesn't want any more of this, doesn't want to sanction any of this as religious belief, because, frankly, they fear it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the Wiccans out there are teaching everyone how to get the edge on the future, how to protect themselves, and how to get back into nature and the elements that we have gotten away from.
		We live in a concrete jungle, and what's happened is we have become immune.
		We have lost our humanness, and in so doing, we have lost our spirituality.
		What we're trying now to gain is to raise our level of consciousness, to cross the threshold of enlightenment, and to realize that we are all divine spiritual beings only here to experience humanness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Diane in Sacramento, California asks, how can I remove a spell or a curse from me when the person that put it there is dead?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I've done that several times, and so again, what you are doing is because specifically she knows who the person was.
		You are still going to be able to reach the spirit entity or soul of that person, and you are asking them, okay, in ritual, to take back.
		In other words, they are going to absorb, reabsorb that which they have sent.
		So again, you can do a reversal, and that reversal will go back to the spirit or the soul of that person who sent it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so the fact that they've passed from the physical plane doesn't make any difference.
unidentified		Not at all.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They are eternal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Ken in Loveland, Colorado asks, can I do anything to stop this pedophile without an effigy?
		I cannot obtain personal items from him.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, the only thing he has going for him is instead of sympathetic, he has imitative.
		And again, with good, strong visualization and the techniques of calling into forces, yes, he can stop a pedophile.
		He can cause him to be found out and incarcerated.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of that can be done even without the hair or the fingernails or whatever.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's the practitioner.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If they're good enough, he's been had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If somebody wants to begin to practice in the realms that we're talking about this morning, how long will it take before, if they begin a systematic study, pattern of study, how long will it take before they can reasonably begin exercising power?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Quite honestly, Art, at level one, immediately, with a little bit of knowledge, immediate results can be done.
		When you're getting into something that is greater, naturally the discipline and the knowledge of other forces, entities, and beings should be done.
		The opportunity of knowing how to create a familiar or a thought form, where to infuse it, how to send it, how to have it on a time release, that's all discipline.
		But the average person out there like I'm teaching, I'm giving them the edge on the ability to change their lives as well as to protect their family and their loved ones.
		Yes, that can be done immediately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned familiar.
		And I know you were on the line before I brought you up in the first hour of the program.
		You heard me read something about cats.
		And you remember they said, put the cat's ears back, hold them back, and look at that cat.
		That cat looks exactly like an alien gray.
		I mean, they do look exactly like alien grays when you put their ears back.
		Now, cats are familiars.
		What's special about a cat?
		Why is a cat an interesting or powerful familiar?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, the cats have been used since ancient times as watchers, as guardians, as sensitives.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		But they have also been used by the dark forces, where they will be infused with the spirit of a negative and sent out To do the practitioner's bidding, whether it be to spy, whether it be to bring on negativity, or to bring on sickness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're using the cat as a vehicle for an evil or negative force.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		Now you can use any animal and you can use an inanimate object.
		I understand, but why is a cat particularly because of its agility, its cunningness, its sensitivity, its heightened spirituality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you could imbue a cat with a negative force that would then be sent to somebody, for example, that you wanted to get very sick with some sort of fatal illness, let us say.
unidentified		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Batten any other animal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really interesting.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Most of the times the cat will be used for protection, okay, as a watcher, as a warning, because of their heightened sensitivities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You began all this when you were four years old.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I was initiated at four years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		How did that work?
		What do you mean, initiated?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I was brought before a board of elders.
		I was sponsored by my grandfather.
		I had a scepter placed in my mouth.
		And from that point forward, I was disciplined in the old traditions of Wicca, of the Italian Strega Wicca.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remarkable.
		Remarkable.
		How old are you now, Evelyn?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Art, I am close to your age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you, really?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm 55.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I've been around a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm 50.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm 55, so you're pretty close, huh?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I founded the International Psychic Center in 1972, so that gives you some idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It gives me some idea indeed.
		All right, we're at the bottom of the hour, Evelyn.
		Hold on.
		We'll be right back.
		I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Evelyn, you're not all that far from 34th and Vine, are you?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, she's down there somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn Paglini is my guest, and she'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Here's another question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of worry to a great number of people who will be listening this morning would be our conversation, the conversation we had just a little earlier about secret groups of people who are promulgating evil on society and causing these terrible things to begin to happen, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the question from Media Pennsylvania, that's interesting.
		I went to school there.
		I lived in media.
		Is the people that we're talking about here are trying their best to stamp out goodness, you could put it that way, he does.
		Well, because they hate goodness, because it reminds them, he says, of what they once were and had and lost or should be innocent.
		In other words, they basically hate themselves.
		Is that fair?
		Do you think that's what the motivation is?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I would say that maybe 30 or 40 percent of those people would fall in that category.
		But when you are talking about ceremonial, ritualistic magic, blood sacrifices, that is not their intent.
		Their intent is to manipulate and to control the masses.
		And they will call upon any deity, any being, that will give them that kind of power and knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I guess, you know, he's saying that, in effect, they're doing this because they have lost any goodness they once had.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they, in effect, hate themselves and hate the world.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't say they hate themselves and they hate the world.
		They have an agenda.
		And that agenda is much more powerful than their fear of not being human anymore.
		They've given that up a long time ago.
		You have bloodlines and lineages that go back thousands of years, and their agenda is to control the world and you.
		They're not worried about not being human anymore.
		Well, they've already given that up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're well on the way.
		So if there's a war out there right now, as I said, I think we're having about as much luck with it as we are the drug war.
		Harold in California asks, I was under the belief that animals did not have souls.
		So how could they have higher spiritual awareness?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because everything that has been created by the God force has an essence and a spirit.
		That spirit can be used and manipulated.
		Everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you agree with the contention that animals do not have souls?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, I do not.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I believe they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What if you take, Evelyn, something in a grayer area?
		We've tended to be talking about extremes.
		Somebody who would rape your child is an extreme.
		Suppose we took something in a far more gray area, like Rose from Arizona says we have a very bad neighbor.
		Now, this neighbor may have not done anything specifically at Rose, but it's just, you know, a lot of people have bad neighbors from hell, right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would it be karmically correct to do a spell to cause them to move?
		That's a far grayer area.
		If this person has not done you harm, but you just, you don't like them.
		You don't want them living next to you anymore.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you can do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that karmically dangerous?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not, because you're not wishing them harm.
		You can send them to a better area, a better home, a better job, a better life.
		You're just removing them from your atmosphere.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So witchcraft is effective in these gray areas without damage to the originator?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about things that are thought to be magical, like Ouija boards, for example?
		That's what most of the American public has heard of a Ouija board.
		They know what it is.
		is it really into this area is it really magic or is it just sort of a It's a conduit.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You are tapping into your unconscious mind.
		You are also tapping into the ethereal.
		And therefore, you may be opening up the door and getting more than you bargain for.
		You may get a low entity spirit that will, in the beginning, give you a lot of good and solid and grounded information, but slowly but surely will send you in another direction.
		I don't like to see people play with Ouija boards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like not having read the manual.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you could, though, use a Ouija board with sufficient knowledge safely, positively.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you can.
		but if you have the discipline but it's not something you'd recommend for for It's just like the same thing.
		Don't have a seance.
		Because what you're doing is you're opening up the door to any spirit or entity out there.
		And if you don't know what you're doing, again, you don't know what you're liable to receive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much work is there if you have protected yourself and you're going after someone to harm them, how much work is there to do ritualistically to achieve that goal?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Quite a bit.
		Depending on the practitioner, depending on the person you're going after.
		What is their talent?
		In other words, do they come from a specific discipline?
		And so therefore you have got to make sure that you have a strong enough barrier and guard and reinforce it, because otherwise you can be hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's something that, I mean, would it, to go after somebody, to make them ill or even kill them, would you have to work at this all day long, every day?
		Is this a full-time job, Evelyn?
		Or is it something a ritual you do and then walk away from and it just happens?
		Or give me, I don't need to.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If you're talking about me, I may do a ritual two to three times depending on what it is I'm going after.
		In other words, one time may not get it.
		And so there's an I've said this to my students a lot of times.
		If I want you, you're mine.
		Because I won't get off of you.
		I won't get done until I finish and get accomplished what I want.
		Now, there are other people that will just do one little ritual because they're doing something that is not that big.
		In other words, they're going to try to gain some success, attract a lover or a mate, or remove a person that is standing in your way of a job or getting that mate.
		So that can be done usually in one ritual, sometimes two.
		Again, what am I facing?
		And is that person's mind very strong?
		And am I doing the ritual at the right time?
		Most people try to do a ritual when they have a good energy.
		But what they must also understand that the person that they're trying to receive this energy, the best time to reach them is after midnight and before 5 a.m. in the morning because that person's in repose.
		You're getting into their psyche a lot quicker than if you were doing a ritual during the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that absolutely figures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somehow it figures.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's why I don't open up my altar till after midnight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		If you are in a battle with somebody using force on the other side, you're in a life and death battle, aren't you?
		I suppose, like in real life, it doesn't happen that often.
		Cops don't end up using their guns.
		Some of them ever in their career do they never draw their gun except to practice.
		So it doesn't probably happen all that frequently, but if you really get in a psychic battle with somebody, it's a life and death battle, isn't it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you been in such battles?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		More than once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're still here, so I presume someone else isn't.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		I have taken on Satanists.
		I have taken on voodoo priests, Haitian voodoo, South African, you name it.
		It's been done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many of your students, Evelyn, progress into the kind of areas of knowledge that would be required to do these kind of battles?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many of your students, percentage-wise, progress that far or even want to?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I would have to say a good 25%.
		Sometimes more.
		It depends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, there is a dedication out there where people are realizing that they have gained knowledge and power and now what they want to do is they want to help their fellow man.
		In other words, they want to level the playing field.
		So they will take the time, and it is years, of knowledge and dedication to acquire what we call a mastership.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the difference in power between a single person operating as you might yourself in a circumstance and a coven?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, it is the force of numbers.
		In other words, you can collectively, as you did with your audience, train that person and persons to direct their energy at a specific objective.
		And you're going to have a lot more power and manifestation quicker because you have collectively the people to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're telling me that, for example, if you wanted to bring rain to the drought-starved areas of Florida, you could do it without harm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be done without harm.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because we did that, for example, in one area in Texas that was drought-starved, and they ended up with floods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That caused me pause.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Only because you didn't bind down the action not wanted.
		You just say, I want enough water.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, let's make it rain.
		Well, it rained.
		It sure did.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		See, the same thing, like, if you're going to create a familiar, what you're going to do is specifically say, you are going to be in existence for this length of time, and then you are going to dissolve.
		The same thing with ritual.
		You are going to accomplish this ritual, but you are going to bind down an action not wanted.
		Again, double-edged sword.
		Everything has two sides to it.
		So you get both sides.
		You must make sure you bind down what you don't want.
		And then you can proceed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's an interesting question.
		It's suggested that George W. was a member of Skull and Bones at Yale.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've heard that too.
		Is that why he wants to outlaw, if he could, or to remove the religious exemption, I guess, that the Wiccans have?
		In other words, he knows enough about it not from his own background to know what he's facing?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		You want to eliminate anyone who has the same kind of knowledge and power that can defeat you or alter your objectives.
		And that is what the modern Wiccan and the modern people who practice magic are doing, thank God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the difference, if there is one, between what we commonly call a soul and a spirit?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they one and the same?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They have been interchanged by people of, I would have to say, knowledge, only because they're trying to explain that there is a soul which is eternal and then there is an essence or a spirit.
		It's like when you have a haunting.
		You're not going to have the soul of the person.
		You're going to have the spirit or the essence of the person that has remained earthbound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that reminds me of a question I really want to ask you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do a great deal with ghosts, as you know.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I talk a lot about ghosts.
		And Evelyn, somebody brought something up to me that I had never in my life considered before, and that was that you can have hauntings not only of those who have passed from the physical, but you can actually have hauntings of living people.
		For example, somebody who lived, let's say, in a house for 30 years suddenly moves.
		Somebody else moves into the house.
		Well, believe it or not, there's a haunting that goes on, but it's by the remains, the only way I can think of it, spiritual remains of that person who is still alive.
		Yeah, the ever-heard walking across the floors and doing what ghosts do, that sort of thing, that something about them remains behind.
		Even though they're still alive, it remains behind, acting as a ghost would act.
		You know, the normal ghost that we think about, people who passed on.
unidentified		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Their spirit, their essence has remained.
		That is why I've always suggested people when they move into a new home or a new apartment that they cleanse it.
		There's the old saying, walls have ears.
		Well, if you've had a lot of sickness in a home, if you've had an awful lot of anger and fighting and arguing, what happened is that residue Stays within the walls, the next people who move in, especially those who are highly sensitive, are going to be affected by it.
		And so a cleansing is always necessary when you move into any place that is new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you shouldn't just consider whether some old fellow hung himself from the rafters in the house you're about to buy.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		ought to consider whether the couple who lived there was ripping and tearing at each other and fighting and throwing things and cursing each other the whole time they lived there that would be Wow.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		As well as sickness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never thought of any of that until you just now said it, but it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If a living ghost makes sense, then everything you said just makes sense.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's the vibration and the energies that are left behind, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I like new houses, I think.
		I love moving into homes where nobody has lived before.
		That's what I did in the case of this house, and it's worked out very well.
		It's just our vibrations are here, and they've been 99% great ones.
		So I think there really is something to that.
		But what about the ground upon which the house sits?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Oh, again, if you happen to have built a structure or a home on, let's say, a battlefield or an Indian burial ground or where an awful lot of people that had died from a plague, you're going to get that essence, that energy, back into that home.
		It makes no difference how much cleansing you do on the home.
		You have to appease the land.
		Otherwise, it's going to continue manifestation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you do that with land?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what would you do?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Depending on what is the cause.
		In other words, I did one in St. Charles, Illinois that was an Indian burial ground.
		And what I did is I made an appeasement to the tribe it belonged to and borrowed some time for the people so that they could remove themselves from that home and sell it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know there are actual laws in some states where if a house has a history of haunting, it is required by law that you disclose to the buyer before they buy that that's the case.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because there is a reality to it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And there have been many lawsuits that have been won because that has not been informed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		It seems incredible that a court could rule based on something like that, and yet they have.
		And yet there are actual laws on the books about all of this today.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And it shows you it exists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're enforced.
		Well, I know all of this exists.
		And I wonder how the audience is going to react.
		Those who have been listening probably by now, Evelyn, are beginning to think, well, gosh, it does seem real.
		Magic is practical.
		Magic is powerful.
		Magic is real.
		And once you realize that, I guess it's going to target a lot of what you believe, isn't it?
		Challenge a lot of what you believe?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, it will in the beginning until, again, you cannot get into nature and the elements without touching the spark of the divine because God created all things.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It is up to you whether you decide to use it black or white.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You know, stop passing the buck to the devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
		Evelyn Paguini is on Coast to Coast tonight.
		I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just in case you're joining us very late, one last warning for you.
		We're discussing witchcraft.
		Serious witchcraft.
		It's no joke, and if you're offended by this sort of thing, you can turn the dial now.
		Either one.
		One that leads to another radio station, one that is off.
		So be warned, That is the subject material tonight.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Evelyn, save, I guess, the most dire things for near the end of the program, I want to ask you about a couple of things.
		One is blood sacrifice.
		Evelyn, what do you know about that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is very prevalent.
		It goes across many different religion cultures and societies.
		They will use animal sacrifice, and they will use human sacrifice, especially children.
		And there is also organizations out there that have breeding farms.
		You have in your audience many survivors of satanic ritual that they have seen playmates, members of their family, as well as been witness to blood sacrifice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if I didn't know you, I would say I don't know if I believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I believe that there are breeding farms, for example, breeding farms to make young people to be sacrificed?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		As well as many, many children that are missing throughout the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're claiming this is going on in America?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's going on in America as well as across the world.
		And if you put the call out to your audience, you will receive phone calls from the survivors of ritual sacrifice.
		You will receive phone calls.
		Just put the call out there, and I will be validated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope not, but I guess I and I suppose.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And like I said, so many children that go missing, that are never found, have been used as breeders as well as used as sacrifice.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They want the innocent, the young, the pure, because the nectar of the gods is blood, just like the metal of the gods is gold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean the gods?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The nectar of the gods is blood.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because if you are calling upon a specific deity or being or demon, what they want is the sacrifice of blood.
		And those people who are in these societies, once they have the taste of blood and the taste of flesh, never, ever go without it.
		It is something that becomes so ingrained in them that they must have it.
		And so therefore they will actually breed children in order for them to sacrifice them to their deities, their gods, their forces, in order to gain the knowledge and the power that they have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they do gain power that way?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, they do.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Big time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's almost beyond my ability to comprehend.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They don't want you to comprehend it.
		They don't want you to believe it.
		it was a good you're doing real well then because i i can't even that's beyond my Have them call in Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can do that now.
		I've got a couple people waiting, but then I can do that.
		Actually, I can't.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		There will be people who will come out of the woodwork and say, yes, this is true.
		I have witnesses.
		I have lived it.
		I have been brought up in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, everybody who is presently on the line waiting, I'm going to get you on.
		Everybody else, hang up.
		Just hang up.
		Cooperate and hang up.
		And what we want is exactly what you just heard from Evelyn.
		Are there people out there that actually have been part of a breeding farm or have been about to be used in a ritual sacrifice and have escaped?
		Do you really have personal knowledge of this?
		If you do, then I want to hear from you and only you.
		Everybody else, hang up.
		Listen to me because you're not going to get on the air anyway, so hang up.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hi, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Wow, what you just said just scared the hell out of me.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, I want to scare the hell out of you because you see, if we bring it to light, then they're not going to be able to stay in the shadows and do these dastardly deeds.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I want awareness of the public out there.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, this is a Zen Men in Alaska.
		And Art, as you well know, there's a lot of alcoholism up here in Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And I've known a couple of alcoholics intimately.
		And they have both been, I guess, possessed.
		I mean, there's bad smells of rot in cars and buildings, wherever they go, and it requires spiritual means to remove it.
		And I've recorded them rant and rave at times when they're drunk.
		And later I've heard demon sounds on the tape.
		And they've always been, you know, manipulatively psychic.
		They use their knowledge against you.
		Yes.
		And later, if you confront the person when they're not having an episode, they're very confused and they cry and they don't understand what you're talking about.
		And I was wondering, what's this connection between psychic ability and possession?
		And what's the connection between alcoholism and possession?
		And can you drive out the alcoholism in somebody that just doesn't want it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You can, but it would take an awful long time and it would take a lot of psychological interpretation with the person as well as ritual on a personal nature.
unidentified		I've had some luck getting rid of some of these, I don't know what you would call it, a low-level Possession, maybe, just with the force of my will.
		I haven't done any rituals or anything.
		I've just confronted the thing, whatever it is.
		And it's scary to listen to these tapes because you can hear the thing.
		I'll try to imitate the sound.
		It goes, kind of like that, in the background of the tape.
		And it's nothing that I heard at the time I was talking to him.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is an energy that goes into the body and takes possession.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And once in possession, can do God knows what.
unidentified		Yeah, and they usually do God knows what.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm being kind.
unidentified		I've seen some very, very bizarre behavior out of these individuals.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If you opened up my case history and my filing cabinet, you would not believe what you would find in there.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And these are all testimonials from people who have lived it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		This is Lee.
		I'm from Phoenix, but I drive across country semi.
		Sorry for the cell phone, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a pretty good one as they go.
unidentified		I listen to you on many stations, but I think I'm listening to you this time out of San Antonio, WOAI or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be the one, 1200, yes.
unidentified		That's right, that's the one.
		Well, I'm currently in Oklahoma, and I was listening to your station, and Evelyn asked for verification, and I just wanted to tell you that I had a friend who was in PD and swore up and down that she was raised in her youth by a woman who was a witch priestess.
		She married a man who got her into this, and that she and her younger sister were involved in the rituals and that she was made to clean up the blood after the rituals.
		She would just be absolutely vomiting as a little child, cleaning this up.
		But her mother would force her to do that and be a part of the rituals.
		And that's part of the reason that she is NPD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Multiple personality disorder usually is the fracturing of a young child, and it is done deliberately.
		It is done in ritual.
		It is done also in sexual ritual.
unidentified		Absolutely.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		So that they will split the person.
unidentified		She was able to escape and later on was able to help her little sister to escape.
		But her little sister, they never had a really close relationship after that.
		It kind of got weird after that because of the rituals and of the situations that they had.
		But by the way, I am a third-degree witch, initiated.
		My husband is an initiated shaman.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations.
unidentified		Thank you.
		And yes, there is a difference between Wicca and witchcraft.
		So thank you very much.
		You're welcome.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, there you go.
		What I've done is, for the audience out there right now, I've closed all of the phone lines for anything except those who have been involved in ritualistic magic or breeding farms or blood sacrifice.
		And that's all I'm taking right now.
		Other than I think I know of one person holding with something else.
		Otherwise, please only call if you know about these things.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello, Evelyn.
		Hello.
		This is Jean, listening to Como in Western Washington.
		Right.
		Evelyn, I've been told by several people that we take on our partner's sexual or our partner's karma through sexual intimacy.
		And I wonder if you know anything about that.
		I have another question, too.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, you do not.
unidentified		You do not.
unidentified		My other question is, do you have a psychic sense whether your clients really understand their circumstance?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		When my clients make an appointment with me and I do a consultation, yes, because I take the time in order to explain to them just exactly what is going on and then how to solve the problem or the situation.
unidentified		I see.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call and take care.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
		Hello.
unidentified		Houston, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I wanted to add a question for Dr. Paglini.
		First question is kind of comical.
		What about cats stealing the breath?
		I've got a cat that I heard earlier that certain animals, of course, can be manipulated to do whatever.
		But just a strict black cat.
		No, I just want to know, is there any truth to that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what you want to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it an old wives' tale or is it true?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And also, I had another question.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Doctor?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not true.
unidentified		They do not suck the breath out of a child.
unidentified		I mean, literally, the cat, you wake up in the morning, the cat's right in your face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but they do that.
		So it doesn't, the answer is it's not true.
		Your next question?
unidentified		Okay, my next question is, you have, I understand the ritual arts, Wiccan and whatever.
		I've done candle magic and other things.
		I understand there is something to that, and I understand that as well.
		But my question is, what about the people that like Sylvia Brown that's out there that, of course, just like you, you're legit.
		What about her?
		Do you have any comment on, like, if you were going to try to perform magic on her or do whatever?
		I mean, is this somebody, you know, do you know who Sylvia Brown is?
		Yes, I do.
		Do you respect her?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		Okay.
		What is your thoughts and beliefs on where she comes from?
		Because she believes that what you're saying is, like, for is like magic and black art and whatever, there's no truth to it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		She said that there's no basics.
unidentified		Like, if you were to come to her and you were to sit there and try to do something to her that you're not going to be able to do that.
unidentified		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, Color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let her answer.
unidentified		I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, I'm sorry.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Just pause.
		She does believe that there is no basics in magic and that there is no cursing.
		and unfortunately, I would not like to show her that it was real, but if she pushed me, I would.
unidentified		Oh, you really could, huh?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I know I can.
unidentified		Okay, that's all I wanted to know.
		That's my question.
		I really have a lot of respect for Sylvia.
		I know she comes from her.
		She has a good job.
		She really did from God.
		And I was just wondering, like, I know you would never do something like that, but it's like, really, it's real to believe in that.
		She has really Christian beliefs.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Magic is real, and you can affect change, positive or negative, and that's the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on there with Dr. Paglini.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		I'm Elaine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Elaine.
unidentified		And I have not a friend of mine, but me, I've had experiences with this.
unidentified		I was on a breeding farm, and my daughter was to be sacrificed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		And I got really, really scared.
		All of a sudden, I love this baby inside of me, and I wanted to keep it.
		And I had a real hard time getting away.
		And I had to move 10 different times when I was pregnant.
		I lived in Castro Valley.
		I lived in San Francisco.
		I lived in the Valley of the Moon.
		I moved in Berkeley for a while.
		And then I moved back to Oakland.
		And then I moved to Fremont.
		And that's where my daughter was born.
		Wow.
		And subsequently, ever since then, you know, like...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you get lured into?
unidentified		Oh, the idea.
		I was 21, 22 when I first started getting into it.
		And it was just the idea.
		I moved into a house with these people back in the day, you know, who always smoked a little green and stuff like that.
		You know, because I'm your age.
		I'm 52.
		I'm not a baby.
		And they would go out in the backyard, this woman and her boyfriend would go out in the backyard, and they'd sit there with a crystal ball.
		And from the inside, you know, I'd look out the curtains, and the crystal would be glowing.
		I thought, whoa, cool.
		And I wanted to get involved in this.
		And that's basically the beginning of it.
		You know?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And how did you realize it was something else?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		realize what we could be out and that that you were into something beyond glowing crystal balls that you were in other words you're indeed It was just fun.
unidentified		It was just a fun thing to do, to get high and just be with a bunch of other witches and so mode it be and things like this.
		And I just went deeper and deeper and deeper.
		It just happened.
		I didn't know what the heck was going on.
		My father is a minister.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you understand that your daughter was going to be sacrificed?
unidentified		Well, that's why I was bred on a table, on an altar table.
unidentified		You know, and my daughter was to be the sacrifice when she was born, and that was the 21st of December.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you were on the altar in the nude, and you were saturated and therefore conceived to bring about a child for sacrifice.
unidentified		Yes, the winter solstice.
		That's right.
		And, well, I've been practicing witchcraft since then, but it's been quiet, you know, of a more, I don't know, I've just felt so bad about all of this.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Did you witness yourself, any other people being sacrificed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And were they children or adults?
unidentified		No, they were babies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Babies?
unidentified		That were sacrificed.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And was the blood drunk?
unidentified		Newborn.
unidentified		They were like three or four days old, never any older than that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And did they drink the blood?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		I don't remember.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Thank God you don't.
unidentified		You see, there's a lot.
		You see, I don't even remember any of my high school days.
		I don't remember.
		Of course I don't remember any junior high or any elementary.
		I don't remember anything past a certain point.
		And I could tell you this, my folks, you know, they have a place in Oklahoma, and my father and mother, they're comfortable.
		My sisters all have great educations, BAs and associated arts, and they work in making glasses and things like that.
		They're all successful.
		But me, I'm poor as a church mouse.
		I can't concentrate.
		I'm on SSI.
		My daughter was killed six years ago in a car accident.
		A single car accident.
		There wasn't a mark on her body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you got her away from those who would have sacrificed her, and she died anyway.
unidentified		Oh, you can't believe it.
		I've lost all my children but one.
		I've had four children, and they've all died.
		I had a son that was six weeks old, perfectly healthy, beautiful baby boy, got a fever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, I want you to hold on.
		Stay right there, all right?
		We'll be right back to you.
		We've got a pause here.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Rough Stuff.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this, somewhere in time.
		Holding you is a warmth that I thought I could never find.
		Just trying to decide.
		Or stay by your side.
		I know I could cry.
		I just can't find the answer to the questions that keep going through my mind.
		Hey, babe.
		Isn't it time to wait?
		Falling in love to be all the same.
		Isn't it time to wait?
		Falling in love to be all the same.
		I never dreamed that I'd lose somebody like you.
		No, I don't want to fall in love.
		No, I don't want to fall in love.
		Falling in love.
		With you.
		What a wicked game to play.
		To make me feel this way.
		What a wicked thing to do.
		let me dream of you What a wicked thing to say You never felt this way What a wicked Now we take you back to the past on Art Bell somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		hi good morning everybody we're talking about ritual sacrifice when i was in los angeles of this uh...
		talk radio conference with uh...
		not drug up on stage somebody in the audience i think asked me if i've ever uh...
		done anything on the show that scared me to the point where i could barely go on and i said oh yes several times This is one of those
unidentified		those times you are listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 15th 2001 Dr. Evelyn Paglini welcome back thank you and
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is this young lady with this incredible story, and we didn't have time to finish up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how you finish up with this kind of a story.
unidentified		Well, like I was telling you, my son, he was dead.
		Within two hours, he was dead, and the doctor said it was Waterhouse Phytocin Syndrome.
		Now I've never heard of that since, or I've never heard of it before.
		And then my next daughter, her boyfriend, hung her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I imagine then that you attribute all this to that which you didn't quite escape fully.
unidentified		Yes, yes I do.
		I've had other problems too, because I've tried to call you several times, like when you were talking about the ghost ghost, but I don't believe it's a ghost that's bothering me.
		I believe it's a demon.
		I don't know if it's the fear that I have in me.
		I've tried to do some cleansing.
		I've used the sage.
		I don't, I'm just sitting here shaking like a leaf, because it's not something I really like to talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn, what does she do?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, if she believes that they are reaching out, which apparently that's what they're doing.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If she has some of the knowledge of the names of these people, I can design a ritual that will stop them in their tracks.
unidentified		I can't remember anything.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I would suggest you give me a call.
		I would like to talk to you personally, question you.
		Again, I will design something for you that will put a stop to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hi, Eric.
unidentified		Sorry about that.
unidentified		Yeah, it's Wizard here from Winnipeg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I just want to throw in a couple words.
		I had some contention to the definition made regarding blood sacrifice being somehow a benefit to a god.
		There's really nothing to be gained as a god from the sacrifice of the innocent.
		It's only through...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not God, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody said anything about God.
unidentified		Oh, I thought that she had said earlier that these sacrifices were made to the gods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the belief...
unidentified		I'm sorry.
unidentified		Okay, the belief...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk about big, you know, God with big G versus gods, plural.
		Okay.
		A little difference.
unidentified		Okay, well, the idea that some would have a hold of the idea that to sacrifice someone innocent would somehow be an appeasement to their god.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It brings power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what she said.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
		Right.
		Exactly.
		And that idea is only made through man's...
		Which is a big...
		It's a big God argument, really.
		The blood sacrifice thing.
		And it's done through man's inability to face elements of truth through our fears as ego.
		And I can give you a quick example of a sacrifice, but at the same time, I don't want to offend you, and that's part of the problem.
		And it's real-world situations.
		Like, I'll give you a real-world example, and I by all means don't mean to offend anybody.
		And it's certainly nothing like the fear that's already been presented.
		But an example would be, let's say, in Iraq, over a million people are denied medical treatment, and they die, and they're children.
		And it's true.
		Our fears to face our mistakes as mere mortals, as men who make mistakes, particularly politically.
		Because as a God, you recognize the ignorance that we all suffer from at one level or another.
		But as I say, it's through our fears to recognize that maybe we made a mistake denying medical treatment to people we claim are being repressed.
		Like, if they're being repressed, why would you attack them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not exactly sure where you were running it.
		It got from the personal to the political to the world situation.
		Evelyn, I suppose to some degree there is that.
		I mean, there have been evil blood sacrifices made on national levels, haven't there?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		But I'm talking about those practitioners who are really calling down demons and they are making sacrifices to them.
		Sacrifice, human sacrifice, is in every culture and in every religion.
		It's only since Christianity became civilized that we do not have blood sacrifices anymore except in those other societies.
		But to contact a specific demon and to be able to gain the knowledge and the command of it, it is usually a blood sacrifice that is offered.
unidentified		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Peglini.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, hi, Elva, and hi, Art.
		I'm really thankful that I got on.
		I don't know what to talk about first, but I had a personal question about these fallen angels, like the fallen ones that, like, Elizabeth Claire Prophet wrote about in The Origins of Evil and the ones that came down.
		Do you believe that they are among us in human form?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		There are some that have been able to manifest in a body and walk the land, yes.
unidentified		I believe that.
		I know about them.
		And I've encountered them.
		And yeah, I had a girlfriend that was ritually used, and she's had a really hard time when she was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
unidentified		She was used ritually by the, just like what the last lady said.
		She was so scared of them.
		And I was always praying for her, and she was always praying for herself, you know.
		and so i do know about it and also i was She wouldn't tell me specifics.
		She believed that it wasn't good to talk about it, and I agree with her.
		But, you know, even the priests are using blood, even the ancient Hebrews, they were using blood.
		And before that, we know there was the blood of women.
		But I don't want to talk about that.
		But I wanted to talk about the new children that are coming in.
		And I also wanted to talk about the mass conditioning that's going on in our population.
		And one of them is the immunizations that I want to see that they get avoided for our new children.
		Because before we never inoculated children before the age of two.
		And in Europe, it's illegal to inoculate children before the age of two.
		And when you do that, you assault their spirit.
		You insult their spirit because they come impure.
		And they don't need that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you agree with that, Evelyn?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Certain inoculations, absolutely, especially what is going on today.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It is not a preventative measure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're insulting their spirits?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not so much you're insulting their spirits, you're impregnating them, okay, with a possibility of a virus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, this is Tristan.
unidentified		I'm calling from Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
		I am a Wiccan of the Universal Wiccan variety.
		I had two things to mention, actually.
		I'm glad that Ms. Paglini differentiated between her particular branch and generic Wiccans out there in that hers is slightly different.
		I wouldn't want to cause too much confusion.
		There were basically pretty normal people.
		A lot of things can ritualistically be misunderstood if you were to, say, go into a Catholic Mass or something like that and had no concept of what was going on.
		You know, a man in strange robes, blood and a chalice, eats his flesh, you know, blood.
		You know, it's very macabre.
		I grew up Catholic.
		I understand Dr. Pagliani grew up Catholic too and understands that this is symbolic and it's not bad or evil, of course.
		Most of my family still is Catholic and I have no problems with that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		But symbology still represents the body and the blood of a sacrificial lamb.
unidentified		True, true.
		And to actually say that it's symbolic would get you excommunicated a while back.
		But the point is that if somebody went into that and completely didn't know what was going on, they would be extremely persecuted.
		But, you know, it's just perspective.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's different, honey, than taking a child's life.
unidentified		Right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Draining the child's body of blood and then dismembering it and eating it.
unidentified		Right.
		Okay.
		As far as that goes, that's the second point I wanted to address.
		There was a book called Satanic Panic.
		I forget the author's name, but you could probably do a search on it and find it.
		It's extremely good.
		It talks about how rumors get started, how they evolve psychologically, the want to want to believe in something malevolent or evil.
		It's the better safe than sorry psychological mechanism.
		There has been absolutely no factual, provable evidence of any of this at all, and people have done exhaustive studies on it.
		People continually, shows like Geraldo and things like that originally broke.
		A lot of these satanic kids are doing the satanic thing.
		Our government has infiltrated the cocaine cartels and organized crime, but can't seem to crack into a bunch of teenagers in the woods doing satanic rituals and breeding farms, which nobody has ever been able to factually document.
		I understand it's very sensational, and it's very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're saying you think it's a bunch of baloney, that there is no such thing as satanic breeding farms and so on.
		Is that correct?
		Is that the bottom line?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn, he's saying it's baloney.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why I asked the people in your audience who certainly were the witnesses and those who have escaped from it and lived through it to call.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's not just me saying It.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, obviously, he didn't believe what the callers had to say.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		He didn't live through it.
		Thank God he hasn't.
		I've witnessed it.
		I have counseled people and tried to put them back together.
		And like I said, they're out there and they are willing to step forward and tell you what they have witnessed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hey.
		Should I tell my story now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		What's your story?
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Houston right now.
		Okay.
		And like, almost every other weekend, I go to my friend's house and we smoke marijuana.
		Am I allowed to say that on the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently you are.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes so?
unidentified		And well, when we go there, he'll tell me these stories, like, because I've known him forever.
		He said that his parents, like, which are dead now, he never told me how, are, uh, like they, he said that they were involved in, like, some, like, cults and stuff and voodoo and everything.
		And, like, he said that something about him being what y'all are talking about, one of those childs for sacrifice.
		And, uh, n I mean, not just because he's high.
		I mean, like, before that, I was just saying we go over that I go over there a lot just to smoke, but I mean, before we get high, he'll talk about it and stuff.
		And, uh, like, and, like, he he's got a s a little like I don't know, a little token or something.
		Like, uh, a little symbol token thing that his parents gave him.
		And it looks real weird.
		I don't know.
		Like, one of those voodoo movies, you know.
		You still there?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're listening and sort of waiting for you to tell us what you say he was involved, his parents were involved, and he was a ritualistic victim?
unidentified		Yeah, that he was going to be used as a, like, the sacrifice for him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he got away.
unidentified		Yeah, and he told me that it was because, like, his parents, when they found out they had to give him up, they took him and they moved away.
unidentified		He said they just moved away so that they wouldn't have to sacrifice their own kid.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		His story has been told over and over again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not so unusual, Evelyn?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
		There are many people that have been duped because they have joined an organization or in a society and they believe that this society is going to help enlighten them as well as possibly even do good work or charitable work.
		Later, as they go into the ranks and they go up to the levels in the different hierarchy of evil, they find that they have been duped and that they will ask for their offspring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hi.
		For me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, for you.
unidentified		Okay.
		I was saying that I was wondering about the connection between possession and this type of stuff.
		I think where I get confused is I've had experiences my whole life with possession and what I now believe might be demons or I don't know what to call them, ghosts or demons, but they seem often to be negative or evil.
		And I know that sometimes psychologists, sometimes just people in general who haven't ever had the experiences will either not believe or they'll attribute it to something else that can make evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what is happening to you?
unidentified		What's been going on my whole life or what was the latest thing or in general?
		I guess just we don't have a lot of time, so I think the thing that I don't like, the biggest problem of all is I don't like the possession.
		I don't like when they show up and usually they present themselves in some form and take over.
		And it's very hard to fight them out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take you over.
unidentified		Yes.
		I feel taken over.
		I usually hear a noise.
		In the beginning, I hear a soft whirring noise that slowly turns into a low growl.
		And it sounds kind of human, but it also sounds sort of like an animal.
		And this is something that's been consistent my whole life.
		It's happened to me since I was little.
		And then I feel it coming in, and sometimes I see it coming in in the form of a beast or sometimes a person.
		And then I'm in a fight.
		Literally, it's like I'm half passed out or in almost like a dream state, but I'm not totally conscious.
		And sometimes I don't know how long I'm under.
		Sometimes I'll wake up the next morning, but I always wake up the same way.
		I feel like the blood's been sucked out of me or like my breath has been...
		I can't stand up for a long time.
		My whole body's shaking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're so out of time.
		Evelyn, what might this young lady be facing?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		She may indeed be facing low-entity beings or demonic possession.
unidentified		I just don't understand why me and everyone I talk to.
unidentified		Nobody else seems to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn, what does she do?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Again, because I need to have more insight, I would appreciate if she would give me a call and tell me what has been going on, and then we can create something that will at least alleviate or lessen the possession.
unidentified		Right.
		All right.
		Okay.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll give out the contact information.
		We're just out of time.
		There's nothing I can do about it.
		If you want to do it by email, she does have an email address.
		That is QEP, as in question Evelyn Paglini.
		QEP at msn.com.
		One more time, Q-E-P at msn.com.
		And I would like to say it has been a great pleasure, but actually, a lot of it's been scary as hell, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you so much for having me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Having you here was incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Till next We meet Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Arch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.

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