Art Bell welcomes Dr. Evelyn Paglini, a 30-year Tuscan witch (Strega) and Genesian occult authority, whose lineage claims texts dating back 576,000 years—far older than Wicca or Egypt’s traditions. She asserts Earth has been colonized by non-human entities, human DNA altered, and that Luciferian rituals persist within Catholic hierarchies, targeting individuals through psychic attacks, blood sacrifices, and generational mind control. Unlike Wiccans’ "harm none" ethos, her tradition permits retaliation, framing magic as a neutral but disciplined force requiring years of study to master, with 25% of her students advancing to counter dark forces. Paglini’s claims—backed by testimonials like a South African voodoo curse reversal—challenge mainstream skepticism, suggesting occult manipulation shapes modern power structures and even medical practices, such as immunizations allegedly "assaulting spirits." [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest Abuja.
Good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours, from the island of Guam out across the international date line, way out there, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, soon Puerto Rico as well, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. Good morning.
I'm Mark Bell.
And I should like to welcome yet another affiliate.
Let's see who have we got here.
WAJR in Morgantown, West Virginia.
1440 on the dial in Morgantown, West Virginia.
Hello to Dale Miller, the GM there, and Jim Stallings, the PDE.
Thank you for getting us on.
As we continue our drive to 500, that's 500 affiliates.
We're well on the way.
Now, I should like to announce to radio stations, while I'm thinking and remembering it, that we began doing something about two weeks ago, I think it was about two weeks ago, that all of you should know about.
We began doing pre-feeds of the program so that radio stations can actually begin picking the program up at 7 o'clock Pacific time or 10 o'clock Eastern time or at just four time zones in between or way out there.
In other words, we're beginning the show three hours earlier, which actually is the show from the night before, so that so many radio stations have asked for it.
We've already got, I don't know how many taking it, but a bunch already taking it.
So we officially began doing prefeeds a couple weeks ago.
It's been kind of an industry secret for a while.
That's one way to hear more of the show a little bit earlier.
So every day we prefeed the previous day's program for three hours, which means that if a radio station out there has a hole they want to fill and some listeners have a show they want to hear, you can get it.
You know, we're on the same satellite channel, same everything, except three hours earlier.
So prefeeds, folks, listeners, program directors, board ops, notes to PDs, that kind of thing, prefeeds are available now.
It's popular demand and all that stuff.
All right, well, do you remember I told you that this was actually some time ago now, that when I was coming back from the Radio and Records talk convention, that something really incredible happened.
We were in between Baker, California and Pahrump.
And believe me, folks, when I tell you, that is, well, it's the desert of the sea is what it is.
It's the most amazing desert that you've ever seen in your life.
You know, you pass a sign that says, no services for 56 miles or whatever.
And they mean that.
I mean, there is nothing.
There is not a human being.
There is nothing there.
You are just driving in desert, period.
You don't see, there is no homes.
There are no businesses.
There is nothing.
It's a serious Western American desert.
Now, we came back from Los Angeles, drove back from Los Angeles this kind of backway, coming through this incredible country.
And my wife and I were driving about, I think we were coming through this area, which is, oh, I don't know, maybe 40 or 50 miles from home, maybe a little less, at about 5.30 in the morning.
It was an incredible morning last Sunday.
Oh, my God, what a morning.
The moon was up above the horizon.
And when we were coming through this part of the desert, we've been getting a lot of rain, too damn much rain in the desert.
We're not supposed to get this much rain in the desert.
But when that occurs, great areas of dry lake beds fill up with water, albeit two or three inches of water.
But when I say a lot of water, I mean miles and miles and miles of water.
It's awesome to see in the desert.
It's just absolutely awesome.
And here we are winging it along at more miles per hour than I should have been doing, no doubt, at that time of the morning.
Actually, let's see, they can't get me for what I say, right?
About 95 miles an hour, we're clipping along.
And I'm in the Firebird Trans Am.
And I look out my window to the left, and I see the most awesome thing that I've ever seen in my whole life.
This moonlit desertscape with the mountains in the background and this sea of water.
It's a magical scene.
I'm telling you, it's an absolutely magical scene.
Now, photographs never do this kind of thing justice because a photograph just can't take in as much as the eye can take in.
But I thought, you know, I've got a camera with me, 35 millimeter, I've got to give it a try.
So I stopped the car, pulled over to the side of the road, stopped the car, and obviously it's dark, just only moonlight, and I thought, hmm, I wonder if I can open the shutter on this camera and get this shot.
And, you know, it's so incredible.
I mean, it's just absolutely, it stopped me whether I was going to take a photograph or not.
It was so awesome.
I just stopped and went, oh my God, look at that.
It was that kind of a shot.
And so I did.
I stopped the car, turned off the engine, put the camera on the hood of my car so that it would be held steady, gingerly reached over and punched the shutter.
And I did that many times, trying different angles, just hoping upon hope that maybe, maybe I'd get a usable shot.
Well, today I got the photographs back.
Ramona went and developed the photographs.
And by God, I got a real doozy.
So it's on my website right now.
I'm really proud of this photograph.
In the foreground, you'll see a reflection of the Trans Am's hood.
And you'll actually see the clouds.
And then you'll see the moon up there.
And you'll see everything lit.
And you'll see this desert of the sea picture.
So you're seeing the front part of the bottom part of the picture is a reflection of my hood.
Then you see the highway, because I was pulled over.
Then you see miles of desert.
Then you see miles of water.
And then you see the mountains.
All of this lit only by the moon.
It is, I think, an astounding photograph.
I got it back today and I went, yay!
You know, rolls and rolls of film, and you get one big money picture.
Well, this was the one big money picture, and I've got it up there right now.
So if you go to my website, you can see it.
It's pretty awesome.
It's called the Desert of the Sea.
And we all know where the Desert of the Sea came from, right?
And so I've got a picture of the Desert of the Sea on my website right now.
Pretty awesome stuff, I think.
Take a look and let me know what you think.
All right, so anyway, I've got that out of my system.
It was a magical moment.
You know, it was one of those moments in life where you just stop, and I understand the photograph doesn't do it justice, but you just look out there and you go, oh my God, I love where I live.
I love the desert.
It's a strange place, but no matter where you are in the nation, if you take a look at this, it will at least give you some insight into this rugged, incredible country that I live in out here.
Let's see.
Vermont votes to ban gay marriages.
Less than a year after they had approved civil unions for same-sex couples, the state house today voted to explicitly outlaw gay marriage.
Earthquake in El Salvador.
Two powerful earthquakes, then two smaller ones rattled quake-stricken El Salvador today, causing people to flee out into the streets.
They've about had it with earthquakes.
There were no immediate reports of injuries or damage.
Oh, CNN tonight, by the way, reporting our spring is going to be a very violent spring, weather-wise.
Very violent.
Duh.
Anyway, they had a meteorologist on there, and they had a big story just prior to airtime, last half hour before airtime, and they went through how it's going to be such a violent spring.
Well, what has the market been doing?
Somebody sent me this, and I thought, right on.
Dow, Dow average, one point on the Dow.
Know this as I point out to you what I'm about to point out.
One point on the Dow equals $400 million.
One point on the Dow equals $400 million.
So, on Monday, we lost 450 points.
On Tuesday, we gained 90 points.
On Wednesday, we lost 320 points.
On Thursday, we gained 55 points.
Some recovery, huh?
$400 million per point.
I thought tonight, in what remains of this first hour, and you know, we've got Evelyn Paglini coming on next hour, and she is, believe me when I tell you, that Evelyn Paglini is the real McCoy.
She is a witch.
And we will examine not just the dark side, although, as you well know, I lean toward an interest in the dark side of witchcraft.
Yeah, we're going to talk a lot about the dark side, actually.
But we're going to ask a lot about witchcraft in general.
President Bush has made some statements about Wicca that would certainly lead one to believe that he'd like to see it done away with as a religion.
And as you know, I'm probably an agnostic, kind of an agnostic.
However, it seems to me that the Wiccans have every bit as much right to have their religion, their belief system, as the Catholics do or the Mormons do or anybody else does.
Just because you don't like somebody's religion is no reason to sort of declare it a non-religion, you know, like they want to take away Pluto's status as a planet, right?
Or they want to take away Wicca's status as a religion.
I don't think I'm going for that one.
But I thought maybe this hour, I got this really cool email from somebody who concocted headlines from the year 2051.
Headlines from the year 2051.
And so I thought I would ask all of you to come up with a headline that you think would be in the year 2051.
That's an interesting year, 2051.
I probably won't be here.
Pretty safe bet, I won't be here.
Some of you will be here.
Some of you will get close.
And some of you can just imagine.
What kind of headline could you imagine for the year 2051?
Actually, sir, if you listen carefully last night, they're spraying in all areas.
I don't think we know of any area where they have not seen chemtrails.
What I thought really was different last night, and which I'm willing to consider, is that we know we're in trouble with the weather.
I mean, look at the CNN story, right, last night.
We know we're in trouble.
So that our government would be doing something about it or trying to do something about it, I think is rather logical.
I mean, here we have a president who is not going to control emissions, decided to break his promise on that.
And yet he knows, he knows that we've got to do something about the weather, not publicly perhaps, because then there'd be a demand to stop the use of fossil fuels.
And he doesn't want to do that.
He's an oil guy.
I understand that.
So we were talking about this last night, kind of throwing it around.
If the president had one choice of a billion-dollar program to try and modify the weather, take it down a couple of degrees, and hundreds of billions of dollars of economic damage on the other, what would he likely do?
Where I should have gone the other night when I called and I picked a bad time to tell you a good story, was that I think a lot of this stuff on TV, you know, with the hoof and mouth and mad cow disease and everything else, I really think that there's some serious problems, but I also believe that they're being overblown and made into sort of a threat-seared thing.
Listen, I was watching CNN the full half hour just to see what was going on before the show, and they were showing slaughtered animals miles and miles and miles of slaughtered animals.
I thought you were saying your name was Eric Colin.
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No.
God, I hope not, unless it's healthy.
Quite frankly, Arth, what do you think as far as I was looking through the book, Book of Knowledge, Keys of Enoch by J.J. Hurtak, kind of making reference to, from a philosophy standpoint, of the pyramids being more of a focal point for celestial time travel and higher light being.
The third secret was revealed by a gentleman by the name of Bill Goertz of the Washington Times and Charles Smith of Software.net, who have been following what the Russians have been doing for the last four or five years.
Well, I'm kind of on the cusp of the baby boomers.
I mean, my mom was in the Marine Corps of my dad before the Second World War, and I ended my mom's Marine career when I was born on Camp Lejeune, North Carolina.
So I was kind of like, that's kind of like on the cusp of baby boomer.
Well, they claimed that they scanned every single person who went into the Super Bowl in Tampa and tried to figure out if there were criminals in the crowd.
And, you know, it's interesting.
They didn't find one.
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But they have a heck of a database of anybody that they did spray if they did.
It's suggested because they found rainwater, you know, unless you actually go up there into what's called a chemtrail.
The only other way you can do it is the way he said he did it.
He said, if you recall last night, that they analyzed rainwater that came through these chemtrails, and they found, what, seven times the amount of aluminum they should have.
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Correct.
But let's assume that they were using aluminum, atomized aluminum, just as Morton Thiokol did, to stabilize the flame front on the compressors of jet engines.
Might be.
This would increase the output of the jet engine and make it more efficient.
I'm not saying that what you're suggesting about jet engines might not be correct, but the intent of the patent was weather modification, actually cool the Earth a couple of degrees by reflecting some of the sunlight.
Atomized, if you'll want to put it that way, aluminum that would remain in the atmosphere for perhaps even years.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Hello, this is Don from Nashville, big 997 station.
If this kind of thing bothers you, turn the radio off.
Go listen to a 24-hour sports station or something, because this will offend you.
I really want to take just one more moment for those stations that are joining us at this hour to go take a look at a photograph I'm really proud of.
Here's what I wrote on the website by the photograph.
It says, This is the one in a million picture taken early Sunday morning, March 11th, 2001, as Ramona and myself returned from the Radio and Records Talk Seminar in L.A. Yes, we'll get those photographs up, by the way, folks, eventually.
It was taken between Baker, California and Perump, Nevada at about 5.30 a.m. in the morning.
In the distance, you can see about two or three inches of water covering the desert, lit by the moon.
And I'm telling you, there were hundreds or thousands of acres covered with two or three inches of water in the desert.
The reflection of the clouds at the bottom of the picture that you see is my trans am where I had the camera resting for a long exposure.
I stopped.
It took my breath away.
I looked at this.
I said, God, I've got to get a picture of it.
It's unbelievable.
It's out in the middle of nowhere.
And I got the, by God, I got the picture.
It came out unbelievably.
You can see the moon.
You can see the clouds all lit by the moon.
You can see this incredible sea in the middle of the desert.
It's an amazing photograph.
So if you go to my website, you just get there.
You go to What's New, and you go to Photo, Arts Desert of the Sea.
Tell me if that is a pretty cool picture.
It was absolutely magical.
That's what we're going to talk about here shortly, is magic.
Somebody sent me this.
Actually, Grace sent this.
Grace says, boy, is she right.
If you have cats, you'll understand exactly what I mean.
It says, I don't know if anyone has ever mentioned this, but I was petting my cat the other day.
She likes to have her head fully covered by her hand.
A lot of cats like that, I know.
And when I smoothed down her face and ears toward the back of her head, I noticed the general face shape and structure is very similar to many depictions of gray aliens.
Has anyone ever commented on this?
Try this with one of your cats.
Take one hand on either side of their face, smoothing the fur and the ears back.
Voila!
You've got Something that looks exactly like an alien.
Could this be why the ancients, the Egyptians, revered and worshipped cats?
Were they given to us as a reminder or perhaps as watchers for us?
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 15, 2001.
Coast to Coast AM One more time, I'm going to warn you, if you're offended by discussions about witchcraft, go away.
Here comes Dr. Evelyn Paglini, a practitioner in the occult and the supernatural with over 30 years experience.
She was tested at Duke University, FRNM, Foundation for the Research on the Nature of Man by Dr. J.B. Rine, Dr. Helmut, Dr. J. Levy.
She is a parapsychologist, psychic, doctor of divinity, founded the International Psychic Center in 1972, teacher, lecturer, consultant, spiritual warrior.
Called upon as an authority on the occult and the supernatural set of president in Texas, in fact, in the court system there, on a child abuse case with ritual overtones.
Worked as a law enforcement, worked with law enforcement, rather, on missing persons and murder cases.
Many of her legendary cases were written in the country's leading news media through the pages of the New York Post, the Chicago Tribune, Fate Magazine, has appeared on ABC, CBS, NBC.
Born and raised in a family of century-old occultists and practitioners of natural magic.
Trained in natural magic by her grandfather from the age of four.
Possibly he might be a little afraid of it being one of the fastest-growing religions out there, and because it gets the average person back into their own personal power and being able to affect change in their life.
And certainly that is not what most organizations and businesses out there would like the average person to be able to do.
We claim to be a nation that reveres individualism and individual worship and all that sort of thing, but I don't know if we're quite as loose as we suggest to ourselves we are, huh?
We're not as tolerant of other people's culture and religion as we should be, considering here in the United States where it's supposed to be a freedom.
I am a Tuscani witch, and anybody who is involved with the ancient art and practice of magic understands that there is a small town called Tuscany in Italy that has a very unusual amount of people that have a bloodline or a lineage that predates or goes back into tens of thousands of years of heritage.
And their traditions, their forms of magic is what is used today by myself and those people who follow those principles.
They're not talking about continents and civilizations that have submerged, that have unfortunately leased weapons upon each other and destroyed themselves.
I had Dr. Thompson on earlier in the week who made, I thought, a very good case along with lots and lots of others, archaeologists, who say that life has come and gone, maybe not gone entirely, but virtually been squished down almost nothing several times on Earth.
Civilizations, high-tech, some of them have come and gone.
I would have to say, first of all, that because of their creed to harm none, ours is different.
We believe that if we have justification, if someone comes after ourselves or one member of our family, then we feel justified in order to use, let's say, a retaliation.
Well, again, there's a big difference between yourself and Christians.
Christians, and this is why I don't, one of the reasons I don't include myself as a Christian, because Christians, it is said, should turn the other face.
I'm not into that.
I like my face as it is, and if somebody comes along and does it damage, I do damage back.
I don't reach out to try to hurt anybody ever, but if they come after me to hell with them, I'm going to come after them.
If it really works, if it's a real thing, if it really is practical magic, then you would want to hold it secret so that not everybody's doing it and particularly doing it to you.
All right, now let me stop you and ask you, this shield that you're putting up as you begin the process, is this to protect against the person somehow acquiring knowledge of what you're doing and coming back at you?
Or is this to protect yourself from what's said to be natural about witchcraft, and that is that which you send out will come back times several times?
If you have justification, if someone has been attacking you, if you are under psychic attack, then what you are doing is a cleansing, a reversal, and putting up a shield of protection so that you cannot be penetrated again.
Therefore, that which has been blocking and stopping you or causing you harm or difficulty will not be able to penetrate the shield that you have built up.
But there are people out there who have acquired knowledge, and they are using that knowledge against their fellow man.
They are using it to either make them sick, cause them to have a disease, give them financial ruin, make every area and arena of their life, whether it's emotional, physical, whether it's love, financial, going to hell in a handbasket.
They are using forces and energies in order to block and stop you from receiving your goods.
Most people don't realize that a little bit of knowledge is certainly going to affect others.
And if they acquire more, if they get into nature and the elements, if they get into herbs and plants and roots and gums and resins and oils, then they have got more tools to assist them in achieving their desired goal.
And that desired goal may be to block and stop you or to cause you harm.
And so there are many people out there that have acquired the knowledge and are still acquiring it.
There are schools that are taught.
There are books that are out there.
There are societies, lodges, and covens that you can belong to and gain this kind of knowledge.
Do a lot of people use this power even though they're not aware they're using the power?
In other words, I suppose in some ways we're all powerful spiritual beings.
And if you're really going after somebody to ruin them, to hurt them, to in some way harm them or theirs, their family, even if you're not consciously doing it spiritually, you're still promulgating some sort of force, aren't you?
Yes, well, okay, what you can use is an herb like an holy herb or an archangel.
You can also use a sulfur, which is a purifier.
You can use sea salt.
You can use black salt.
All of that will help to cleanse your environment.
You can also use sage, and that too will remove negativity from your environment.
Then the next thing you're going to use is a blessing herb, an anointing or an altar oil, where you are going to consecrate the area that you are going to use to perform your ritual in.
So then if I were to tell you that I have for years now found little balloons full of black salt around my house in corners, you wouldn't be surprised about that?
In other words, once you set up or once you do a ritual for this boomerang or mirror or whatever it is, is it specific to the one trying to harm you or is it general?
But I suppose the mirror system is getting close to like SDI that a lot of people complain about.
All right.
I've got a lot of questions from listeners, and I'm going to sort of pepper them in this morning.
Somebody asks, and I suppose this will offend somebody, but the regular clergy, you know, priests and bishops and people high up in the church, are they, in effect, using some aspects of magic?
Even though consciously they're not doing the kind of rituals that you do, aren't they, in effect, exercising the same realm?
Yes, I'm told by people who know that within the Catholic Church at the top, there may be such practices that go on, practices held secret for more years than we can contemplate.
Another widely held belief is that, this comes from Bob in Denver, but a lot of people believe it.
If you do not believe in it, in the magic, in whatever is being done to you, if you just simply say, what a pile of steaming dung, then it cannot possibly harm you.
Well, that's true, but they also have been able to affect people thousands of miles away who not only did not know about it, but also did not believe in it, and yet it still worked.
All right, so then the kind of magic that you practice probably wouldn't be pursued by too many people because they would suggest that the power itself used in the way you say it can be used, I'm not suggesting you use dark magic all the time because I know you don't, but I know you can and have.
So not too many people would pursue it because they would consider it to be the power derived from the dark side as opposed to the Christian God.
I have no questions in my mind about that, but I do know that when I was soliciting years ago for a witch, the Wiccans called me in force and emailed me in force and said, you're out of your mind.
There's no such thing.
There are just Wiccans.
And we will inevitably tonight get Wiccans who will call and take that line, that tact.
They will say, we are the only true witches.
There's no witch as you described.
I think I got cute.
I used the broom riding cauldron stern witch.
But the kind of witch that you are, they claim you're a fraud.
All right, let's talk about the kind of warrior you are.
Let me set up a little scenario and let's see if you could do it.
Let's say that you wanted to harm someone.
And let's say this person had not harmed you.
Let's say that for whatever reason you decided you wanted to harm someone, make them sick, ruin their life, end their career, cause a divorce, cause a suicide, whatever.
Do you think, I mean, we see a lot of people in this lifetime that are having terrible lives, Evelyn, and not all of them, certainly, are under present psychic attack.
Is it possible that some people who are having awful lives, terrible luck, terrible illnesses, are paying for something that was done generations ago?
Yes, there's a very good possibility that karmically they are paying back for what they have done.
Sometimes they will take on a malfunction or a disorder of the body in order for them to gain the ground of the soul.
Not only how do they handle the disease that has been placed upon them or the malfunction or the disorder, but how are they treating other people around them?
Are they making them pay?
So in other words, it is a growth cycle, and it can also be a karmic cycle.
Usually a psychic attack will come out of the blue.
It will last for a specific length of time.
It can be five years, 15 years, or it can be just, you know, a few months.
What is the intent of the practitioner?
What are they trying to accomplish?
And so you can, by looking at your own life, if you're seeing that you can't keep your head above water, that everything you touch is going by the wayside, that you are being hit from every side, most likely you have someone who is sending this to you.
And what you need to do is a cleansing and a protection.
You know, in your listening audience, and I have permission from this one person, I have thousands of testimonials in the five years of helping people from your show.
I have one man who had had a curse placed upon him from a South African voodoo priest.
Not only was he fighting demons in the night where he could not sleep, but he had a growth that was on his back.
He was in his late 50s and his life for the last 20 some odd years had been hell.
When I got involved with him, not only did we remove the curse, give him his sleepless nights, take away the growth on his shoulder, but I also increased his love life where now he's married and just recently had a child.
So then you really think that this very much, this very real evil, these sort of blank-eyed children that are doing these horrible things that we've never seen in society before, that's being done ritualistically by secret groups.
And what's happening is because they are now being taught properly with a good discipline and a good balance, they're going to kind of level the playing field for all of those others that are being manipulated and used by the dark forces.
So there's a sort of a small picture, an individual picture, and there's a very much a larger picture, but it's all wielding the same sources of power.
Well, maybe that's one reason why our government doesn't want any more of this, doesn't want to sanction any of this as religious belief, because, frankly, they fear it.
Yes, the Wiccans out there are teaching everyone how to get the edge on the future, how to protect themselves, and how to get back into nature and the elements that we have gotten away from.
We live in a concrete jungle, and what's happened is we have become immune.
We have lost our humanness, and in so doing, we have lost our spirituality.
What we're trying now to gain is to raise our level of consciousness, to cross the threshold of enlightenment, and to realize that we are all divine spiritual beings only here to experience humanness.
If somebody wants to begin to practice in the realms that we're talking about this morning, how long will it take before, if they begin a systematic study, pattern of study, how long will it take before they can reasonably begin exercising power?
Quite honestly, Art, at level one, immediately, with a little bit of knowledge, immediate results can be done.
When you're getting into something that is greater, naturally the discipline and the knowledge of other forces, entities, and beings should be done.
The opportunity of knowing how to create a familiar or a thought form, where to infuse it, how to send it, how to have it on a time release, that's all discipline.
But the average person out there like I'm teaching, I'm giving them the edge on the ability to change their lives as well as to protect their family and their loved ones.
Well, first of all, the cats have been used since ancient times as watchers, as guardians, as sensitives.
But they have also been used by the dark forces, where they will be infused with the spirit of a negative and sent out To do the practitioner's bidding, whether it be to spy, whether it be to bring on negativity, or to bring on sickness.
So you could imbue a cat with a negative force that would then be sent to somebody, for example, that you wanted to get very sick with some sort of fatal illness, let us say.
All right, we're at the bottom of the hour, Evelyn.
Hold on.
We'll be right back.
I'm Art Bell.
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The one in town of the love that he just found And the reason name of his latest flame He taught him talk and I heard him say That she had the
longest, blackest hair The prettiest green eyes anywhere And the reason name of his latest flame Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning I wished him luck and then he said goodbye He used to be gone, but still his words kept returning What else was there for me to do to cry?
I got troubles down to Madden Rue You know that Jitsi with the gold cap too She's got a hat on 34 and fine Selling little bottles of love Love potion number nine I told her that I was a pop with chicks I've been this way since 1956 She looked at my palm and
she made a magic sign She said what you need is Love potion number nine She went down and turned around and gave me a wink She said I'm gonna mix it up right here in the sink It smelled like perfect time and looked like India I'm gonna mix it up right here in the sink I thought my love, I called my eyes.
I did the load before the day of time.
I thought I kissed the thing inside.
Premier Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in time tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 15th, 2001.
Of worry to a great number of people who will be listening this morning would be our conversation, the conversation we had just a little earlier about secret groups of people who are promulgating evil on society and causing these terrible things to begin to happen, Evelyn.
And therefore, you may be opening up the door and getting more than you bargain for.
You may get a low entity spirit that will, in the beginning, give you a lot of good and solid and grounded information, but slowly but surely will send you in another direction.
I don't like to see people play with Ouija boards.
How much work is there if you have protected yourself and you're going after someone to harm them, how much work is there to do ritualistically to achieve that goal?
But it's something that, I mean, would it, to go after somebody, to make them ill or even kill them, would you have to work at this all day long, every day?
Is this a full-time job, Evelyn?
Or is it something a ritual you do and then walk away from and it just happens?
If you're talking about me, I may do a ritual two to three times depending on what it is I'm going after.
In other words, one time may not get it.
And so there's an I've said this to my students a lot of times.
If I want you, you're mine.
Because I won't get off of you.
I won't get done until I finish and get accomplished what I want.
Now, there are other people that will just do one little ritual because they're doing something that is not that big.
In other words, they're going to try to gain some success, attract a lover or a mate, or remove a person that is standing in your way of a job or getting that mate.
So that can be done usually in one ritual, sometimes two.
Again, what am I facing?
And is that person's mind very strong?
And am I doing the ritual at the right time?
Most people try to do a ritual when they have a good energy.
But what they must also understand that the person that they're trying to receive this energy, the best time to reach them is after midnight and before 5 a.m. in the morning because that person's in repose.
You're getting into their psyche a lot quicker than if you were doing a ritual during the day.
Yeah, there is a dedication out there where people are realizing that they have gained knowledge and power and now what they want to do is they want to help their fellow man.
In other words, they want to level the playing field.
So they will take the time, and it is years, of knowledge and dedication to acquire what we call a mastership.
See, the same thing, like, if you're going to create a familiar, what you're going to do is specifically say, you are going to be in existence for this length of time, and then you are going to dissolve.
The same thing with ritual.
You are going to accomplish this ritual, but you are going to bind down an action not wanted.
Again, double-edged sword.
Everything has two sides to it.
So you get both sides.
You must make sure you bind down what you don't want.
They have been interchanged by people of, I would have to say, knowledge, only because they're trying to explain that there is a soul which is eternal and then there is an essence or a spirit.
It's like when you have a haunting.
You're not going to have the soul of the person.
You're going to have the spirit or the essence of the person that has remained earthbound.
And Evelyn, somebody brought something up to me that I had never in my life considered before, and that was that you can have hauntings not only of those who have passed from the physical, but you can actually have hauntings of living people.
For example, somebody who lived, let's say, in a house for 30 years suddenly moves.
Somebody else moves into the house.
Well, believe it or not, there's a haunting that goes on, but it's by the remains, the only way I can think of it, spiritual remains of that person who is still alive.
Yeah, the ever-heard walking across the floors and doing what ghosts do, that sort of thing, that something about them remains behind.
Even though they're still alive, it remains behind, acting as a ghost would act.
You know, the normal ghost that we think about, people who passed on.
That is why I've always suggested people when they move into a new home or a new apartment that they cleanse it.
There's the old saying, walls have ears.
Well, if you've had a lot of sickness in a home, if you've had an awful lot of anger and fighting and arguing, what happened is that residue Stays within the walls, the next people who move in, especially those who are highly sensitive, are going to be affected by it.
And so a cleansing is always necessary when you move into any place that is new.
ought to consider whether the couple who lived there was ripping and tearing at each other and fighting and throwing things and cursing each other the whole time they lived there that would be Wow.
Oh, again, if you happen to have built a structure or a home on, let's say, a battlefield or an Indian burial ground or where an awful lot of people that had died from a plague, you're going to get that essence, that energy, back into that home.
It makes no difference how much cleansing you do on the home.
In other words, I did one in St. Charles, Illinois that was an Indian burial ground.
And what I did is I made an appeasement to the tribe it belonged to and borrowed some time for the people so that they could remove themselves from that home and sell it.
I know there are actual laws in some states where if a house has a history of haunting, it is required by law that you disclose to the buyer before they buy that that's the case.
Well, it will in the beginning until, again, you cannot get into nature and the elements without touching the spark of the divine because God created all things.
It is up to you whether you decide to use it black or white.
It goes across many different religion cultures and societies.
They will use animal sacrifice, and they will use human sacrifice, especially children.
And there is also organizations out there that have breeding farms.
You have in your audience many survivors of satanic ritual that they have seen playmates, members of their family, as well as been witness to blood sacrifice.
Yes, because if you are calling upon a specific deity or being or demon, what they want is the sacrifice of blood.
And those people who are in these societies, once they have the taste of blood and the taste of flesh, never, ever go without it.
It is something that becomes so ingrained in them that they must have it.
And so therefore they will actually breed children in order for them to sacrifice them to their deities, their gods, their forces, in order to gain the knowledge and the power that they have.
Well, I want to scare the hell out of you because you see, if we bring it to light, then they're not going to be able to stay in the shadows and do these dastardly deeds.
I want awareness of the public out there.
unidentified
Okay.
Well, this is a Zen Men in Alaska.
And Art, as you well know, there's a lot of alcoholism up here in Alaska.
I mean, there's bad smells of rot in cars and buildings, wherever they go, and it requires spiritual means to remove it.
And I've recorded them rant and rave at times when they're drunk.
And later I've heard demon sounds on the tape.
And they've always been, you know, manipulatively psychic.
They use their knowledge against you.
Yes.
And later, if you confront the person when they're not having an episode, they're very confused and they cry and they don't understand what you're talking about.
And I was wondering, what's this connection between psychic ability and possession?
And what's the connection between alcoholism and possession?
And can you drive out the alcoholism in somebody that just doesn't want it?
You can, but it would take an awful long time and it would take a lot of psychological interpretation with the person as well as ritual on a personal nature.
unidentified
I've had some luck getting rid of some of these, I don't know what you would call it, a low-level Possession, maybe, just with the force of my will.
I haven't done any rituals or anything.
I've just confronted the thing, whatever it is.
And it's scary to listen to these tapes because you can hear the thing.
I'll try to imitate the sound.
It goes, kind of like that, in the background of the tape.
And it's nothing that I heard at the time I was talking to him.
Well, I'm currently in Oklahoma, and I was listening to your station, and Evelyn asked for verification, and I just wanted to tell you that I had a friend who was in PD and swore up and down that she was raised in her youth by a woman who was a witch priestess.
She married a man who got her into this, and that she and her younger sister were involved in the rituals and that she was made to clean up the blood after the rituals.
She would just be absolutely vomiting as a little child, cleaning this up.
But her mother would force her to do that and be a part of the rituals.
What I've done is, for the audience out there right now, I've closed all of the phone lines for anything except those who have been involved in ritualistic magic or breeding farms or blood sacrifice.
And that's all I'm taking right now.
Other than I think I know of one person holding with something else.
Otherwise, please only call if you know about these things.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
Hello.
unidentified
Hello, Art.
Hello, Evelyn.
Hello.
This is Jean, listening to Como in Western Washington.
Right.
Evelyn, I've been told by several people that we take on our partner's sexual or our partner's karma through sexual intimacy.
When my clients make an appointment with me and I do a consultation, yes, because I take the time in order to explain to them just exactly what is going on and then how to solve the problem or the situation.
realize what we could be out and that that you were into something beyond glowing crystal balls that you were in other words you're indeed It was just fun.
unidentified
It was just a fun thing to do, to get high and just be with a bunch of other witches and so mode it be and things like this.
So in other words, you were on the altar in the nude, and you were saturated and therefore conceived to bring about a child for sacrifice.
unidentified
Yes, the winter solstice.
That's right.
And, well, I've been practicing witchcraft since then, but it's been quiet, you know, of a more, I don't know, I've just felt so bad about all of this.
hi good morning everybody we're talking about ritual sacrifice when i was in los angeles of this uh...
talk radio conference with uh...
not drug up on stage somebody in the audience i think asked me if i've ever uh...
done anything on the show that scared me to the point where i could barely go on and i said oh yes several times This is one of those
unidentified
those times you are listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 15th 2001 Dr. Evelyn Paglini welcome back thank you and
I imagine then that you attribute all this to that which you didn't quite escape fully.
unidentified
Yes, yes I do.
I've had other problems too, because I've tried to call you several times, like when you were talking about the ghost ghost, but I don't believe it's a ghost that's bothering me.
I believe it's a demon.
I don't know if it's the fear that I have in me.
I've tried to do some cleansing.
I've used the sage.
I don't, I'm just sitting here shaking like a leaf, because it's not something I really like to talk about.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Peglini.
unidentified
Hello.
Hi, hi, Elva, and hi, Art.
I'm really thankful that I got on.
I don't know what to talk about first, but I had a personal question about these fallen angels, like the fallen ones that, like, Elizabeth Claire Prophet wrote about in The Origins of Evil and the ones that came down.
Do you believe that they are among us in human form?
I'm glad that Ms. Paglini differentiated between her particular branch and generic Wiccans out there in that hers is slightly different.
I wouldn't want to cause too much confusion.
There were basically pretty normal people.
A lot of things can ritualistically be misunderstood if you were to, say, go into a Catholic Mass or something like that and had no concept of what was going on.
You know, a man in strange robes, blood and a chalice, eats his flesh, you know, blood.
You know, it's very macabre.
I grew up Catholic.
I understand Dr. Pagliani grew up Catholic too and understands that this is symbolic and it's not bad or evil, of course.
Most of my family still is Catholic and I have no problems with that.
Draining the child's body of blood and then dismembering it and eating it.
unidentified
Right.
Okay.
As far as that goes, that's the second point I wanted to address.
There was a book called Satanic Panic.
I forget the author's name, but you could probably do a search on it and find it.
It's extremely good.
It talks about how rumors get started, how they evolve psychologically, the want to want to believe in something malevolent or evil.
It's the better safe than sorry psychological mechanism.
There has been absolutely no factual, provable evidence of any of this at all, and people have done exhaustive studies on it.
People continually, shows like Geraldo and things like that originally broke.
A lot of these satanic kids are doing the satanic thing.
Our government has infiltrated the cocaine cartels and organized crime, but can't seem to crack into a bunch of teenagers in the woods doing satanic rituals and breeding farms, which nobody has ever been able to factually document.
I understand it's very sensational, and it's very interesting.
And well, when we go there, he'll tell me these stories, like, because I've known him forever.
He said that his parents, like, which are dead now, he never told me how, are, uh, like they, he said that they were involved in, like, some, like, cults and stuff and voodoo and everything.
And, like, he said that something about him being what y'all are talking about, one of those childs for sacrifice.
And, uh, n I mean, not just because he's high.
I mean, like, before that, I was just saying we go over that I go over there a lot just to smoke, but I mean, before we get high, he'll talk about it and stuff.
And, uh, like, and, like, he he's got a s a little like I don't know, a little token or something.
Like, uh, a little symbol token thing that his parents gave him.
There are many people that have been duped because they have joined an organization or in a society and they believe that this society is going to help enlighten them as well as possibly even do good work or charitable work.
Later, as they go into the ranks and they go up to the levels in the different hierarchy of evil, they find that they have been duped and that they will ask for their offspring.
I was saying that I was wondering about the connection between possession and this type of stuff.
I think where I get confused is I've had experiences my whole life with possession and what I now believe might be demons or I don't know what to call them, ghosts or demons, but they seem often to be negative or evil.
And I know that sometimes psychologists, sometimes just people in general who haven't ever had the experiences will either not believe or they'll attribute it to something else that can make evil.
Again, because I need to have more insight, I would appreciate if she would give me a call and tell me what has been going on, and then we can create something that will at least alleviate or lessen the possession.