Dr. Jonathan Reed recounts a 1996 Cascade Mountains encounter where his Golden Retriever, Susie, was killed by a four-foot-tall alien with human-like anatomy and red blood, later stored in a freezer. High-resolution Nikon photos and video—validated by Eastman Kodak and independent researchers like Dan Iria—show the creature’s body and an immovable obelisk. Reed’s evidence vanished after imposters posing as MUFON took it, followed by his home being raided; he fled for four years amid witness deaths, including Dr. Roger Haggett (June 28) and Michael Wessels (August 28). Blood analysis revealed reptilian traits, while a transponder implant in Reed’s tooth tied to abduction claims suggests deeper cover-ups, leaving ufologists like Unknown 16017 convinced of extraterrestrial involvement despite official silence. [Automatically generated summary]
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Now, I'm not even sure where to begin.
I want to thank all of you for the wonderful comments on my Desert of the Sea photograph.
It was what I call a one-in-a-million photograph, and it's still up there on the website.
It says Art's Desert of the Sea.
Take a look at that photograph if you haven't seen it yet.
It was kind of a magical photograph, I think.
And so thank you for all the wonderful comments on it.
It was really cool.
It was really fun to get that shot.
It only took about three rolls of film and different shutter speeds and openings and so forth.
But we got it.
Now, something occurred during the day today, which was also very magical.
I'm very, very, very, very interested in rocketry, amateur rocketry.
In fact, I was actually going to buy a rocket.
My wife won't let me do this.
I was going to buy a rocket, a big one, you know, like about 10 feet tall.
I really want one badly.
In fact, maybe I'll even get one this weekend.
You never know.
I wanted a rocket about 10 feet tall, and I was going to put it right in the middle of my front yard.
Now, you got to admit, that sends a message.
When you've got a rocket, you know, at a gantry in your front yard, people are going to go, hey, guess we better not mess with him, huh?
I've always wanted to put a rocket in my front yard.
I used to make rockets when I was a kid.
Blow things up mostly.
Most of my rockets didn't fly.
They blew up.
Anyway, there's something really cool going on.
And it's an amateur rocket, I don't know, festival, I guess.
And they're setting off gazillions of rockets.
And it's not far from me.
It's El Dorado Dry Lake Bed near Boulder City, Nevada.
So not all that far from me.
And it's going on, it went on a little bit today, sort of a pre-show, and then Saturday and Sunday, it's going to be going on all day.
And Paul Bowman of AirInternet.com, who's a friend of mine, as you know, he's Maggie's dad, actually went out there and hooked up a microwave link from the dry lake bed to a point where they could reach the internet.
And we've got the doggonest thing going on.
We've got streaming video from the dry lake bed near Boulder City so that Saturday and Sunday, all of you out there can go to my website.
You'll see the link.
It'll say something like webcast under what's new.
It'll say webcast amateur rocket launches.
And it's going to be going on all weekend long, streaming video, and there's a place in there where you can chat and you can watch these rockets being launched.
It is absolutely awesome.
So during the daylight hours, not now, because obviously, you know, they're taking video and they're not going to be able to do it at night.
So daylight hours, both Saturday and Sunday, you can go to my website, go to what's new, click on amateur rocket launches, and you'll be taken over and you'll have live video on your screen of these rocket launches, the whole affair going on out there.
In fact, I'm going out myself late Saturday, and you can watch these rockets go up.
It is just too cool.
So if you're into rockets too, I know not everybody is.
Boy, it is really fun to watch.
Absolutely a blast to watch.
Again, it's the El Dorado Dry Lakebed near Boulder City, and I'll be going out there personally to observe the goings-on.
Not till late Saturday, unfortunately, because I have another obligation that precedes that.
So, there is that.
Now, number two, also under What's New on my website tonight, my website, by the way, is www.artbell.com, is Radio and Records Seminar Photos.
And we just got these up before, just before airtime, as usual.
Poor Keith, he's sitting there going nuts trying to get everything up.
And there's a story with what you're about to hear.
You'll see a whole lot of photographs of me up on stage.
You'll see photographs with myself and Matt Drudge.
You'll see photographs.
Oh, here it is.
The first photograph that I've got to stop and tell you about.
You may recall it was a year and a half ago that I went to WABC in New York.
Do you all remember that when I went back to WABC in New York.
Well, met a whole bunch of people there.
In fact, met Curtis there.
And of course, Phil Boyce, the program director of WABC.
And WABC is a very special thing to me because it's, yeah, I grew up with WABC.
Anyway, in the WABC studios, Rush Limbaugh has a personal office, personal studio, you know, where he does his broadcast when he's in New York.
And when I walked into Rush's studio, I went, oh my God, that's an alien.
And here was this great, big, wooden, carved alien, a gray alien.
And I said, I've never seen this.
What's this doing in Rush's studio?
Why would Rush have a big alien, a gray at that, in his studio?
And we never figured out.
And everybody was laughing.
I was laughing and laughing and laughing.
I said, no, it can't be not Rush.
But it's true.
This alien sat by Rush as he did every broadcast from New York.
Anyway, the alien had its, I don't know if you could say hand, it's not human, right?
But its extremity out into the air.
And so my wife and I left, I think, a $5 bill and a cigarette in its little claw when we left.
Well, at the Radio and Records seminar, Randy Michaels, who is the CEO of Clear Channel Radio, surprised me.
You know, he got up, and I'll be damned if Rush has not sent me as a present for coming back on the air, this incredible alien.
This from his office.
Rush sent this to me, and Randy Michaels delivered it to me, and they gave it to me up on stage, and I couldn't believe it.
I just couldn't believe it.
Here was Rush's alien, which had been sent along with his best wishes, you know, for coming back on the air and everything.
Thank you very much, Rush.
And it just totally blew me away.
And so you'll see me up there on stage commenting on the first series of pictures.
And then I was, you know, these things just happen spontaneously.
And I don't know why I did it.
But I ran over and I hugged the alien.
We've got that photo.
So we've got a combination of pictures that were taken by my company photographer and also some other photographers.
It's kind of a mix.
In fact, my wife was photographer.
I've got a shot up there of Phil Henry and myself.
There's a shot of Phil Boyce of the program director of WABC and myself.
So all of those photos are up on the website tonight.
I didn't want to do it until I had them all.
They're not all properly labeled.
We'll probably get to that eventually, but they just went up before airtime.
So that's up on the website.
Now let me give you another reason to go to the website.
The second item is spectacular.
Boy, it's getting slow already.
Spectacular aircraft photographs.
Oh my God, you have never seen anything like what has been sent to us.
You've never seen anything like that.
They're high-resolution photos.
One is of a crash of two MiG aircraft that's just absolutely unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Now, another is the Apache helicopter, and you have never seen an Apache do what this Apache is doing.
It's right down on the water, and it's an awesome picture.
You've just never seen anything like it.
The first photograph appears to be, I'm not sure about this one, I think it's the B-1 bomber, and it's going across the water.
Oh, I don't know.
It's hard to judge.
Maybe 25, 30, 50 feet above the water.
It's hard to judge.
And it's blowing up a cyclone behind it.
You've never seen anything like that.
That's on the website tonight.
Now, let me promo what I'm going to be doing at the bottom of the hour.
As you know, we're going to, after 11 o'clock or in the second hour, I really shouldn't say 11 o'clock because I'm talking to so many time zones.
We're going to do what's called the Alien and the Burrito story, Jonathan, Dr. Jonathan Reed.
Now, there are a couple of different kind of UFO stories.
The first UFO story that people get and photo that people get are the fuzzy ones.
And people don't believe those.
You know, if there's any blurriness to a UFO photo, they say, ah, what a fake, right?
Of course.
And the second type is, so the first type is not good enough.
Second type is too good.
It's when you have a story and photographs that are so good, so clear, so detailed, people don't believe them.
So it doesn't matter which kind of photograph you've got.
And in this case, we've got a type 2 photograph.
That's like a type 2 civilization.
Our type 2 photographs with Dr. Reed are of the alien, of the alien dead, he thought, and they're close-ups of the alien and the obelisk and all the stuff we're going to be talking about tonight.
And those photographs, of course, are back up tonight also under tonight's guest.
And we're going to be telling the whole story, and we've got new witnesses and new information for you tonight on the alien in the burrito story or the alien in the freezer story, depending on how you want to look at it.
But in this case, the evidence is too good.
The victorial evidence is too good, and so people don't believe it.
But that's okay.
If you've not heard this story, it's the damnedest thing you've ever heard.
If you have heard it before, then you might listen very carefully And see if you detect that Robert Reed's story, Dr. Reed's story, is consistent with the last time he told it.
After the bottom of the hour here, we're going to break the ginger story.
We're going to break the it story.
Most of you think out there that ginger or it is a little scooter, right?
And most of you have seen the photographs of the little scooter, right?
Wrong.
That's not it.
But we have definitive proof, I believe, of what it is.
Robert Stenson, that would be Robert S-T-E-E-N-S-E-N, has called me earlier in the day and said, Art, I'm an investigative reporter.
I worked for hard copy.
They're not on the air anymore, he said.
But I'd like to break a story on your program.
I've got it.
And at first I said to him, well, look, everybody's got it.
I mean, this has been all over the net.
Everybody knows where it is.
A little scooter, right?
No, he said, wrong.
So we have a picture of it.
And I won't go any further than that right now because I don't want some of the evidence yanked before I can get you to see the evidence.
I will bring Robert on after the bottom of the hour here and we'll break the story.
We're going to tell you what it is.
And you judge for yourself whether you think we've got it.
We think we've got it dead on.
We've got photographic proof.
We've got audio proof that you'll hear.
And so I've got a lot on my hands tonight.
All of this just coming up, of course, naturally, as usual, just before airtime.
So new stuff.
The Amateur Rocket Launches webcast all weekend long.
There's a lot of people to thank for that.
You're exclusively getting it with a link here on the website.
We've got these incredible, incredible aircraft photos, ones that I would wager you've never seen before because I watched the net closely and I've never seen these grace any point on the net until now.
Of course, they'll be everywhere now.
We've got the Radio and Record seminar photos.
And in some cases, you're going to have to be good and pick out the luminaries yourself because we just, we didn't get them with enough time to label everything.
But that's up there.
So all of that is hanging to be done.
It should be quite a night tonight.
It'll be interesting to see if I can, if I have enough fingers and hands to really do it all.
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All right, you're probably sitting there saying, what did he say?
Did he say he's going to break the story of it and ginger?
Yeah, I did.
I did.
Now, whether we have the story or not, I don't know.
I'll let you be the judge.
It is my opinion.
We definitely do.
And I guess I would have to say some of it has been hidden in plain sight.
Sometimes the best place to hide something.
Maybe not that plain.
Anyway, let's look at the world a little bit.
Bangladesh, gunmen free hostages in Bangladesh.
Tribal gunmen on Saturday freed three European hostages after a month of captivity In a forest in southeastern Bangladesh.
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As you know, rapper Sean Puffy Combs acquitted on all Friday.
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Wall Street?
Oh, bad news again on Wall Street.
Bad news again.
This was like a week that we lost about 817 points or something on the Dow.
Unbelievable.
And now, of course, everybody is wondering two things.
One, where it's headed at the first of next week and what the Fed is going to do.
Will it be 50 or 75 basis points?
I don't know.
I'm not so sure it's going to matter.
I hope it matters.
I hope that the Fed can pull this out, maybe with three quarters of a point or something.
We'll see.
We'll see.
But I kind of have my doubts.
Everybody's looking for where the bottom is in the market because, of course, the bottom would be a great place to buy.
But as my stockbroker says, nobody rings the bell at the bottom.
So you just don't know.
Watching closely what's going on at a Ford engine casting plant in Brook Park.
Legionnaires Disease, folks.
Cleveland.
My affiliate covering it there, of course.
WTAM.
But it looks like they've got Legionnaires Disease, one death.
All production workers are being told to stay home.
Only salaried employees to report at last I had word.
So there is indeed Legionnaires disease, apparently pretty serious.
And then just one little final item.
Dime-sized dollops of dung rained from the sky over Sevir S-E-V-I-E-R County, Utah this week.
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The mess dropped Monday over a home on the outskirts of Richfield, covering two sides of the house and showering over the backyard and a hot tub, which was covered at the time.
Thank God.
Homeowners were gone at the time, discovered the whole thing just before about 6 o'clock.
By then, the spots appeared to be at least three hours old.
The smears, I suppose.
Health officials tested the splotches, and look what they found.
Let's see.
coliform bacteria, including E. coli, verifying the mess was fecal matter from an unknown source.
The homeowner was advised to wash the mess away with disinfectant...
They say not aircraft, so how would this stuff fall from the sky?
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Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to introduce you to Robert Stenson.
Not quite yet, because I'm going to have Keith pull the trigger on this on the website.
It's not on the website until I say on the air, Keith, pull the trigger.
Don't pull the trigger yet, Keith.
Okay.
unidentified
Without getting into too much detail, basically, it shows him with the vehicle, and everybody's all gawking at this, and he describes it in detail, which I have a sound bite for you a little bit later.
Then we have a photograph, you believe, of it as well, right?
unidentified
Absolutely.
The videotape that I have and a website that we're going to put on a little later in the show shows the device that I have on the video with the President of the United States and underneath the caption, he won the 2000 award for a technology, National Medal of Technology.
What that just did is within a minute or two, the photograph or the link to the photograph of Ginger with the President of the United States and Dean Kamen sitting on Ginger is going to be on my website.
So I think it might be an appropriate time, Robert, to play the audio and tell us exactly what we're going to be hearing.
unidentified
Okay, right now, since you can't see what I'm looking at right now, he's coming in through the doors through the convention.
That was Dean Kamen's voice describing the device itself.
And what did he mean?
Now, let's tell everybody right now what the device is.
Ladies and gentlemen, it appears to be a new wheelchair, but unlike any wheelchair you've ever seen, how do you translate the words he just said to the radio audience.
In other words, describe, if you would, Robert, what you see when you look at this photo.
unidentified
Well, Art, visually, what it is, it is a wheelchair with two axles.
There isn't any front wheels.
Your common wheelchair has a large wheel in the back and two in the front.
And it has, I think, multiple servos and gyros inside of it, which keeps it balanced.
And he's basically floating.
He's balancing on two wheels that are parallel, and there's two axles on top of each other.
It's very, no one's ever seen anything like this before.
So when your listeners look on the website, they're going to see this.
And oh my God, he's actually bouncing on this thing, and it's done by Servos.
So on my video here that I was looking at, he was rolling up on these two wheels perfectly balanced, and he reached out to shake someone's hand, and it rolled forward to counterbalance himself.
He's a total height of maybe about three feet off the ground next to President Clinton.
And it's perfectly balanced.
And as long as those servos are turning, he's going to stay balanced.
I was sort of wondering what would happen if the batteries died, but it's pretty...
But anyway, this is a medical device.
And he is known, Mr. Dean Kamen is known, and he did receive a 2000 National Medal of Technology Award for Inventions for Medical Technologies Worldwide.
And that's what the President Clinton, and that caption there, underneath, President Clinton, it actually says that he received that National Medal of Technology.
I'm unable to get in my own website right now for some reason.
It's probably getting slam-dunked.
And we've got more bandwidth than anybody should ever have.
And it's still getting slam-dunked right now.
So, Robert, do you think that when you roll over the statements that have been made by some CEOs, very important people who have seen it, which is what I presume that we're looking at in this photo, that those statements hold up that communities, I think it was said, would be built around it.
Others have said it'll revolutionize society.
Certainly for the handicapped, I guess this would be a complete revolution, wouldn't it?
unidentified
Absolutely.
Yeah, there's many principles, applications that you could use this for.
The military could use it, and you know about remote vehicles on Mars, this would be pretty good for that as well.
I would think that, yeah, you're right, it would have application in the space program if it's not already been used, but you would think, yes, for a rover or something like that on Mars, it would be ideal.
Do you know anything else about its capabilities?
For example, what powers it?
It's been said that it is not exactly the big story, that what powers it is the big story.
That's been said all over the net, and people think it's, well, what do you think powers it?
unidentified
Well, what they're talking about is a power system.
It's very large.
It's behind him in the seat.
You can't really see it in a picture.
But what is inside of the power system is actually the servos they're talking about.
And the way these servos are arranged are unique, and there's many patterns on it.
I'm curious why you chose my program to break this to the nation.
unidentified
Well, it's funny.
I tuned in when Richard Hoglund, you know, Richard, and he said, well, I found an interesting patent, and it looks like there's somebody who has a patent on something that defies gravity.
That got my curiosity.
So I looked into this and used some of my, well, voodoo, what I do, to look up things, and I tracked this down, and then it just, we both ran into each other, basically, and, you know, he wasn't too far off.
It is somewhat defined gravity by a balancing act.
So, in other words, it will give somebody who's usually in a wheelchair as much mobility and maybe even more than somebody on their feet.
unidentified
Absolutely.
What's so good about it is you have two axles stacked on top of each other.
That gives him the area to get into small areas for clearances.
He could lift his legs up and the front platform that his feet on could actually fold up.
Let's say if somebody didn't have any legs and they're in a wheelchair, they could squeeze into a very narrow area because you're only working with a tire that's nine inches wide.
You're not dealing with a large wheelchair with a large, you know, 18, 20 inch wheelbase.
But everybody on the net, if you're correct, and from what I can see, I think you are correct.
I think you've nailed it.
Everybody on the net has been way wrong, all wrong.
Now, do you think that that little photograph of the scooter was just put out there as sort of disinformation, you know, to lead people off the right track or what?
unidentified
Yeah, there was a lot of disinformation around the teasing of this product.
I searched many websites and looked, and there actually was a drawing of this pretty close.
It showed it with three wheels.
That was as close as anyone ever got to it.
But like I said, there's other applications with this, but the main one is the wheelchair.
Well, again, I appreciate the fact that you love my program and that you like me, and that's all really cool, but I still don't get why you wouldn't go for the money.
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Well, to tell you the truth, I have a tape sitting here right now.
Yeah, I tell you, actually what you ought to do is rewind during the break to the Dean Cayman thing, because that's what I'm going to want to play again.
For those stations just joining us, I'm going to take a moment out.
We do have, as you know, a big show with Dr. Jonathan Reed, Robert Wraith, and others, as yet unnamed, coming up.
But before we do that, we're going to break the story of it.
We are breaking the story of it, but I wanted those stations joining us this hour to be able to get it as well.
Yeah, Ginger, we've got it, folks.
And we'll tell you all about it in a moment.
On my website tonight, along with a million other things, finally, the radio and records seminar photos are there.
And I'm not going to go into the long chat about it.
You can go up and look at them.
The one big story there is, when I was up on stage, unbelievably, I was presented by Randy Michaels, CEO of Clear Channel Radio, with a gift from Rush Limbaugh.
Rush has given me this gigantic alien.
It's being shipped to me by freight now because it's too heavy to go any other way.
And they gave it to me up on stage, and so the photographs of all that are there.
It was really touching, and I'm looking forward to getting me a big alien delivered by a freight truck next week sometime.
We have a new set of spectacular, I think not seen-before aircraft photos that'll blow your mind up there tonight.
In addition, there's a webcast going on, not right now, but during the daylight hours, both Saturday and Sunday, I'm going out there myself to the El Dorado Dry Lakebed near Boulder City, where they're launching rockets all weekend long, amateur rocket launches all week long, including a level 3 that should go up way, way up there.
And I saw a whole bunch of rockets today.
We've got a link, an actual live video link going on during the day, both Saturday and Sunday.
So you'll see that up there under what's new webcast, amateur rocket launches.
I'm going to be out there myself on Saturday at the Dry Lake Dead watching all of this, but you can watch it on the web.
So there's moving video and audio.
That'll be during daylight hours only.
Don't click on that now.
You'll not go anywhere.
Daylight hours.
Now, number two, and this is a biggie.
We have a man here tonight named Robert.
I'm sorry, Robert Stenton.
I'm just going to say Stenson.
That's the only way I can pronounce it.
S-T-E-E-N-S-E-N.
He's worked for hard copy, and he's a private investigator, and he has it, Ginger.
And so I want to briefly recap, if we can, Robert, what it or Ginger is.
We've got your name up on the website.
We've got the link to the website with a picture of Ginger or It.
And quite, there's also a Wired magazine story up there.
It's pretty close.
We've got all of that under your name.
So if you go to program and tonight's guest, you'll see Robert Stenson's.
But, and this thing may be able to even go up steps.
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That's correct, yes.
Because you're basically bouncing on these two little wheels that are about 9.5, 10 inches in height, and his feet are on a pedestal basically, a foot in the air, so he could fold up that place where he has his feet, and he could essentially the thickness of a human body almost he could squeeze into an area that small.
If anybody needs some investigative work, if they have a spouse or somebody cheating on them or stuff, you know, the basic stuff, those are actually hilarious.
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I was sent something pretty interesting by somebody up in Seattle who said that proof that Jonathan Reed attended the University of Washington as a member of the SAFR faculty on 8-21, 1996.
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We're breaking the Ginger or It story this morning.
And before any more of you writes to say, well, it was on Barbara Walters or 2020.
Yeah, we know.
We told you it was hiding in plain sight.
Indeed, they have done features on this before.
However, they haven't put together what my guest Robert S-T-E-E-N-S-E-N put together.
He got into that private scientific conference in which Dean Kamen came out in it, identified it as ginger, and described its operation.
He's got the video.
He got in there somehow.
I don't know how.
When you put that together with what's been made public, what we found on a public website, that is to say a picture of it with Dean Kamen and the President of the United States, it becomes more than just a little obvious.
We've kind of turned the corner here aside from all the stuff on the website tonight.
We've got a lot up there.
With Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Rafe and others yet to be named, the most incredible, controversial alien contact story the world has ever seen.
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we'll get to the very beginning of it all, the genesis of what happened to Dr. Reed.
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When this lousy winter weather sends my seasonal attitude disorder into overdrive, I just booked some low-cost, last-minute airfare on Priceline.com.
And since there are never any blackout dates, before you can say, go vocabana, I'll be lying back and soaking up some rays instead of screaming at my therapist.
We drove to the mountains, the Cascade Mountains, about 60 miles east of Seattle, about 15 miles northeast of Snoqualmie Pass, to give you an idea where this is.
It's a pristine, mountainous area full of lots of trails and hiking areas and good places for dogs to run.
And so I parked my Jeep, we got out, and we started walking.
And this was an October day, a little bit overcast when we started, but a beautiful day.
We have lots of evergreens and just a pristine area.
And like I say, it's not far from Snow Palmy Pass.
But we had been walking by streams and rocks and lots of wildlife for about an hour and a half when all of a sudden my dog took off like a streak.
And this wasn't unusual because dogs do that sort of thing.
You know, they're either chasing raccoons or squirrels or deer.
And which earlier in the day we had seen a deer.
So I wasn't immediately upset over this.
And Susie was very well trained and obedient.
She would come to me when I would call her, so I wasn't too upset.
But she took off and was out of sight quite a ways, probably 150 yards ahead over some different paths, you know, with some foliage in between me and her.
My brain saw this shape, and when I came over the rise and stood within about 15 feet from this thing, I saw what looked like a vibrating body approximately four to four and a half feet tall.
It had a head.
It had arms and legs.
It was dark in color, the body.
And it was vibrating, massively vibrating, like a paint shaker would vibrate a can of paint.
All I could see was this blur of this outline and the blur of my dog holding what looked like its left arm.
But when I took a moment, and this all happened with 15 to 20 seconds in total time, I yelled for my dog to let go because I assumed my dog had this thing by the arm and it was childlike in size.
Susie literally started to implode into herself as if a hole opened up beneath her head in her neck and she started to literally crease and fold into this hole with her body dissolving in front of me.
And I wielded this thing as hard as I could and hit this creature in the head, splitting its skull open about one and a half to one inches on the left side.
Yeah, when you tell it over the period of 30 minutes, it almost sounds like, well, you know, you could have debated the thing and said, gee, this might be an alien creature important to Earth and important to humanity, and I shouldn't hit it.
But that isn't the way it came down.
It came down in seconds.
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It might not have been a conscious effort to also on the extraterrestrial, Freddie, because it's believed now that it was actually the suit Freddy was wearing that formed the pseudopod that attacked Susie.
It was actually an extension of the suit that he was wearing, which is a black, skin-tight suit that extended itself out over its arm and onto the head of Susie, ripping it back.
Yes, about an hour after I had been there, I tried to crawl around.
I knew I had some water in my pack, and I was trying to get up, and then I would fall back down, and I figured if I needed to get out of here eventually, I needed to get some water.
So I thought about getting to my pack.
Like I said, I would get up, I'd fall down, and then all of a sudden I heard a sound.
A sound coming from somewhere down the path.
And I thought, all right, it's another hiker, it's another camper.
The air felt dense and thick and totally wrong from what it should have been.
So I kind of ran back to where I had originally lost my dog.
And in doing so, I looked through some trees, through a grove of trees, and saw what looked like almost a mirage where the trees bend a little bit in the light.
This device has actually been seen with Barbara Walters, we think.
It's on a website which was hiding in plain sight.
And we had Robert Stenson on, I was close, who attended a secret scientific conference and videotaped the secret scientific conference with Dean Kamen coming on stage saying, this is Ginger, he says.
And then you heard the audio of Dean Kamen describing it.
You put that together with a photograph we've got of it and Dean Kamen sitting in it, we think, next to the President of the United States we know.
You put all that together, what's been hiding in plain sight, and what Robert got for us.
And then, well, you make up your own mind.
That's either it or it isn't it.
But it's something.
We think it's it.
Robert says 99% guarantee this is it.
He's put it together.
You judge it for yourself.
Either way, you heard it first here.
Also, we are in the middle of airing the most controversial alien contact story.
Close encounter is definitely of the third kind here of Dr. Jonathan Reed.
And we'll get back to all of that in a moment if you'll just stay right where you are.
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And then the photographs are all laid out there for you to see, including the obelisk, which we're very much talking about right now, and then close-ups of the alien itself.
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Somebody in Milwaukee, Wisconsin says, look, if these pictures of the object, the obelisk, and the alien are real, why do they look computer-generated?
It's a fascinating story nonetheless.
Well, let me guarantee the audience, I'm the one who scanned those photographs, folks.
I had the raw photographs in my hand, not computer-generated anythings.
I'm telling the audience, fake, real, whatever, I'm the guy who scanned them.
So they're real photographs.
Moreover, they sent me the negative of the photographs.
I even scanned the negative, and the negative is up there as well.
So whatever they are, they're not computer-generated.
Anyway, back at the site, my intention, again, was to get out of the woods alive.
And, you know, I'm jumping and crawling and trying to stay conscious and breathing so hard I felt like I was going to pass out constantly, like I said, for ongoing of two hours.
And finally, deciding I had to get out of here because it was starting to get dark.
I took another branch, what I found over by where the obelisk was, which was 75 to 100 feet away from where the alien fell, and literally scraped the ground underneath it to remove a lot of the foliage and the ferns so that I could see absolutely that there was nothing underneath it.
And when I did that, the stick that I was using felt like it was, as it would pass underneath this black floating shape, it felt like it was going into molasses.
The air felt thick and dense directly underneath it.
And when I originally had fell against it, the tone that it was giving out, this low ebbing harmonic, this kind of a kind of an irritating sound, instantly changed to a more pleasant sound, a lighter sound.
And since living with this nightmare for the last four years, I've come to believe that it was much more than a ship or a craft, more like a doorway, a portal.
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It's believed that it's anchored in two places at one time.
It's basic, the target spot, which at this point would have been Earth and wherever the entity was coming from.
Well, for those who have not seen the video, Actually, folks, part of it is the good doctor running through the woods and getting sick as he goes and getting violently ill.
And you can hear him tossing his cookies and you can hear him hyperventilating.
And you can see all that as he runs through the woods.
No question about it.
I mean, you were obviously in bad shape, and I don't blame you.
If this really happened to me, I'd be in bad shape too.
I went through my camera back into my pack, realizing that I had very little supplies with me.
I had a thermal blanket.
I had a knife.
I didn't have a shovel.
I didn't have a pick.
I had some dog food.
That's about all I had.
And I thought, a thermal blanket.
Maybe I can cover this body up and bring somebody back to help me, to deal with what I had done so I could show someone.
Because it was unbelievable to me.
And so I basically thought about hiding this thing.
I thought about taking it and covering it up, putting the thermal blanket over it and maybe putting stones around the edges of the thermal blanket so that animals wouldn't get to the body.
Because this area is frequented by lots of animals.
And my mind was not being very rational.
I wasn't thinking very clearly.
So I threw the thermal blanket out and I thought, okay, if I can somehow get this thing into this blanket, maybe I can cover it up.
Well, I couldn't find any rocks to do what I had thought about doing because the rocks that I found were buried.
I mean, this is the part of the mountain, and there just wasn't anything loose.
And like I said, I didn't have a shovel, and I just had a pocket knife.
So I thought about rolling this thing up and then maybe covering it with some branches against the hillside that I was next to.
So I basically covered the thing with the thermal blanket, and I didn't want to touch it.
Believe me, I did not want to touch it.
But I kind of used the thermal blanket in between me and it and rolled it up into the thermal blanket.
And as I did this, I realized that this thing was extremely light.
So as I rolled it up, I realized I could literally pick up the thermal blanket and pick up the entire body.
So I grabbed that and lifted it up with my pack straps and tried to find a place to put it.
I was hoping to find a secure area maybe off the beaten path.
As I was looking around, there wasn't any place to put it.
So I tied it up, much like a sleeping bag or burrito, and I carried it down, started walking down the trail with my pack in my other hand and looking for a place to put this.
Stopping to get sick, stopping to rest, hoping to find a place.
that point i opened it up i brushed it off and i carried it into the house and put it in my rec room and i got my video camera out and i videotaped it just laying there blood probably on the I've seen the videotape, but more importantly, I want to talk about the things that we have on the website that everybody can see.
There are two really important photographs of the alien.
One actually shows somebody Is that your hand with the gloves on?
All right, but that's a good place to break it off.
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For the most part, everybody just basically laughed him off and said, don't bother us.
And finally, when we had called the MUFON group in Seattle, we got some people, he said, that were extremely supportive, who basically said, well, there's certain things you need to do and certain things you need not to do.
One, we'd like to see your evidence, and can we meet with you in a public place?
But I think we need to add in here that those people who represented themselves as MUFON members were not MUFON members and never returned to the scene, never returned by evidence.
And basically, after recalling and talking to MUFON, people told me that they had never talked to us.
Right, and I had one more thing that I haven't mentioned.
When I went to roll the alien into the thermal blanket in the woods, I saw something under the brush about three feet away from where his body lay.
And it looked at first like a can of soda pop, like a silvery can through the brush.
And as I moved the ferns away, I found out that it was not a can.
It was a bent piece, what looked like a bent piece of aluminum or silver-colored metal that had some strange Markings on it that was approximately four inches long, three and a half inches wide, and about three-sixteenths inches in thickness.
It looked almost like an ornamental piece of jewelry.
So I picked it up and put it in with the body and rolled it up and brought it home.
So people had seen this, close, close associates and friends.
But I still wasn't publishing this in the newspaper because I was still sick.
I mean, still violently sick.
And about the third day of after this had all happened, I had planned a meeting with the professor, somebody I knew personally from the university, to come over and take a close look at what I had told him about.
I had set up a table and some lights in my garage so that he could examine the body.
That meeting was canceled abruptly, and I was a little put off by that because obviously I was trying to do everything I could do to get this handled.
And I went back out to the garage to put things away, to put the lights away and table.
And as I was in the garage, I heard a sound, a sound that was like coming from underneath or inside the freezer.
At first, I thought it was the compressor going out.
And I thought, well, if this is going to happen, I'm going to have to find somewhere real quick to put this thing.
But then I thought, well, maybe it's rats.
Maybe I've got some rats or mice underneath the freezer.
Because it was kind of a scratching sound.
And I thought, well, if the compressor's going out, the thermometer inside the freezer will tell me that.
Because the temperature would be down, would be actually going up.
And all of a sudden, this thing sat up out of the end of the thermal blanket and screamed at me in such a way that it like forced my chest back against the lab.
Right, and I had been taking it out, lifting it in and out, examining it in great detail with a lot of people, photographing it, moving the wound, taking samples of the blood and the tissue, and now it's alive and screaming at me.
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And somehow the cold was conducive to the elements of healing.
Somehow that freezing temperature was part of why I've healed.
I can only assume that, but it liked the cold environment.
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You know, one time, you know, Jonathan had given the extraterrestrial water, and when the bowl was empty at one point, it picked it up and threw it at Jonathan's head.
It seemed to actually start to regain some of its strength.
And it became much more animated, in fact, wasn't afraid of me after a while.
And I still was always a little bit afraid of it.
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Jonathan had told me, too, you know, this information, such as the information in the book, is taken from 1,500 pages of documentation and information, okay?
And one of the things is the extraterrestrial was extremely strong.
If Freddie indeed did not want to be in the freezer, I don't personally believe, when Jonathan has told me, I'm with you.
That Johnson would have been able to have stopped him from not being in the freezer.
When I was in the woods and I saw it throwing my dog back and forth, it was throwing a hundred-pound golden retriever six to eight feet from each side of its body like it weighed a pound.
But at the same time, I felt angry that my dog was dead.
And during the times that I spent with this thing, I almost got the feeling of an understanding that it knew that I was in a dilemma between those two things.
And I had the feeling that it somehow could justify what had happened.
Because I wasn't killing it now with a shovel that laid, you know, against the garage wall.
Anyway, we're going to finish up the story with Dr. Reed here shortly.
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Well, when the ninth day came along, I finally drove back to my house one evening, and as I was driving up to my house, I witnessed men and vans going in and out of my house with hand trucks, taking everything out of my house there was.
A few hours later, I went back, and they had destroyed my house.
They had gone through the floors, they had gone through the walls, there were holes in the walls and the ceiling.
Well, I drove up to another friend of mine named Dolly, who also had known what was going on, and sat there and waited and decided, you know, eventually I didn't know what I was going to do.
A couple months after this all happened, I had called Dolly to go up and pick up some evidence that I had stored with her, some other photographs and other videotape.
During these nine days, as I acquired different amounts of film and different amounts of evidence, I would send it to different places, knowing that people were watching us, that they were going through our house, that they were following us in vans.
And I was afraid of losing everything.
And I had stored some of this with her.
Well, I called her one morning and said, I want to come and pick this up.
Well, after he showed me the bullet wounds and told me a lot about what was going on, I felt like I really didn't have a clue as to what it would be like to have an encounter like this.
This sounds like what really would happen.
And my kind of idealistic notions of what should happen weren't probably very realistic at all.
All right, so where do you add credibility to this story?
What research did you do that would tell us that it's a real McCoy?
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Okay, well, I think one of the most critical things that I've been able to do is I did get the negatives authenticated, which, you know, you had looked at them, and I believe Kodak had looked at them as well.
Yes, I had the negatives, and I, of course, sent them back.
Right.
But then you got them, and how did you authenticate them?
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Well, I went out and I looked through the industry to try to find somebody who I felt was rather objective and unbiased, and someone who wasn't strictly connected to ufology or this field and making a living off of it, because I felt those people might not be the most unbiased of individuals.
So I went to a gentleman named Bob Schell, who's the editor of Shutterbug Magazine, and I told him what was going on and what I'd like him to do, and he agreed to do it.
And so I met with him in his town there in Virginia and showed him all that we had, the negatives, the video.
And he did produce a document for me, which I have up on my website.
And much of this information that I have that I'm sharing tonight, I think.
Yeah, one of the other things that we noticed while looking through some of the evidence was that one of the pictures that they have shows Freddy, it's looking kind of straight on at his face, and it produces a very pronounced red-eye effect.
And that would be, I would presume, and so did Bob Schell, and I've talked to others, that would be a difficult thing to have produced if it wasn't a real eye.
So that was kind of critical.
So some of the other things that we noticed, well, Bob Schell mentioned, and I think Whitley Striber did as well, that when you have a combination of negatives, video, and photographs, that's pretty compelling evidence that what you're looking at is the real thing.
I also, it was brought up, I believe, by Peter Davenport at one time, and he had mentioned that red blood cells are enucleated, which means that they do not have DNA typically, or I mean nucleus.
And what I did was I did some research because I remember back on the December 9th broadcast where Harold Chacone was interviewed, that he had mentioned something about that the skin resembled a reptile.
And he had also represented that out of the 46 chromosomes, nine of those were non-human and they resembled those of sea tortoise and dolphin.
And so what I did was I did some research on sea tortoises, and I found that, in fact, sea tortoises and all reptiles have nucleated red blood cells.
And in fact, that's typically what they target when they test the blood of sea tortoises, is they actually go after the red blood cells, and that's what they extract the DNA from.
And I also, which this is, I think, very important, I had knowledge of Dr. Roger Haggett and Michael Wessels, who are two of the individuals who were on the DNA analysis team prior to their deaths.
I knew of these individuals.
I knew who the people were on the analysis team.
I had not met these individuals, but I knew their names.
And so I guess I don't need to say that I was rather disturbed when I learned of their deaths.
It was, you know, and I know how upset Jonathan was, and I was, you know, equally upset.
Well, I don't want to upset either one of you, but you heard the noise when Dr. Reed was knocked off the line by whatever, and I cannot reconnect to Dr. Reed.
I hope he's all right.
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Well, it happened to me about two hours ago when I was speaking with him.
All I get is a busy signal now, and I know that if Dr. Reed was able to, he would be hanging up his phone waiting for our call back, so I'm a little concerned.
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Well, you know, there's a lot of problems.
People asked, Art, you know, how could these people, how could anybody have gotten to Jonathan so quickly after his find of the extraterrestrial?
And one of the things we know about is what's going on right now with the NSA involving Echelon and another device called Tempest.
You know that Echelon is the ultimate eavesdropping device.
Well, Tempest can actually see from miles away, Art, what you're watching on your TV, what you're looking at on your computer.
I can tell you both right now that my phones are tapped.
I've known for a long time they're tapped.
There's no question about the fact that they're tapped.
And if they wanted to locate Dr. Reed, I'm afraid they could.
We've been on here now for better than a couple of hours, and I just hope to God he's all right.
But his phone is busy, and that was not a usual disconnect sound at all.
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Well, it's a considerable risk that this gentleman has come forward with this information.
A lot of things have happened.
Again, Dan has talked about Wessels and Haggett.
These are two very prominent gentlemen in the field of sciences from the University here, Washington.
And they both died within about, right around the same day, but within two months of each other.
And one was found shot to death in his office.
Somebody had entered his office, closed and locked the door, then shot him.
And I believe that was Haggitt.
And the other one was climbing, supposedly, by himself, an area where he had been before and had to be rescued from, but he had always climbed with somebody else for reasons of safety.
Yes, I also have some other information up on the website regarding Susie's white residue that I was able to grab a couple frame grabs of from the video.
And the reason I was able to find that was because Jonathan took me up to the encounter site because he thought he could trust me to not disclose the site and he's, you know, that's exactly what I wanted to do.
That's Dan Iria, Robert Wraith, and Dr. Jonathan Reed back in a moment if we can get them back.
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Then I had met both Robert and Dr. Reed and began to have discussions with them and to begin to get to know them on a friendly basis, hearing the story and trying to get to know them and to judge for myself the character of the evidence.
And they were very cordial, very helpful, and I offered my services as an investigator to do a textbook investigation of the case because I felt it warranted that.
Well, what we did was I interviewed, I spent many hours with Dr. Reed interviewing him personally, cross-examining aspects of the story, constantly questioning him in a variety of settings and times.
And he's always been consistent and has always answered the questions forthrightly.
His wife has passed away, and at this point, he would prefer that...
Absolutely not.
And that was one of the rules that we made in beginning the investigation, that I would respect the confidentiality of the people that I spoke to and would get their permission for transcript recordings before I would do anything and not to reveal because it's become a very dangerous situation.
And only met him at Lough when was the first time that I had met both of them.
All right, so you have no vested interest in this beyond that I found it one of the most astounding cases of a closing counter of the third, fourth, and fifth time that I've seen.
So you verified his educational background, even though you can't give us the name of the professor, and I kind of don't blame you for that.
But you swear to us that you did talk to him and you did verify the doctor's educational background.
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Absolutely.
And in addition to this particular professor, there were also four other professors, five co-students who went to the same universities, both San Diego State and UCLA, and several employees at the University of Washington Medical Center where he was employed.
Now, all these people were very nervous because there's a disturbing call that exists at that institution regarding this case.
As it turned out, he was termed persona non grata and moved out of his office surreptitiously just like that, and the word was out that he's no longer to be talked about, and that was it.
So locating these people became difficult, and then getting them to trust me not to release their information was, you know, and I thank them all for that.
You know, it was a great leap of faith that they took, and I'm going to respect that.
And I learned that both of his parents had passed away and was given access to his closest living relatives and aunt and uncle who live in the Seattle area.
I mean, in a case like this where everything is so dangerous and everybody's so on edge, I think a signed, notarized statement from you would help in the whole trail of evidence.
Even though you can't name these people, you can tell your story on paper, sign it, notarize it, get it to somebody who will put it up on a website.
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I agree.
I agree with you.
And in addition to that, some of these interviews were tape recorded and transcribed.
Hey, these are the people that tested the blood and the tissue and all the rest of it?
Correct.
All right.
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Dan?
Yes.
On about April 10th, during one of the conversations that I've had with Dr. Reid, I was given a list of four people who were directly involved with the ET tissue analysis.
One was, of course, Harold Chacone, who had come on your show and did the preliminary work that Dan Iria had spoken about.
The other one was Jonathan, and the other two were Dr. Wessels and a Dr. Haggett, both renowned pathologists at the University of Washington.
In addition to being given these names, I went out there and interviewed both of these folks in April of last year, talked about what they were preparing to do, what we were looking to have them test for, giving some kind of timeframe to all this.
Then, as it had been previously mentioned, on June 28th, Dr. Roger Haggett was murdered in a murder-suicide in his office on the campus of the University of Washington.
It was termed a murder-suicide, a co-worker kind of dispute that he had with a research assistant.
And then the office cleaned out, the computer is gone, the reports that were about to be released in September, which was our timeframe, gone as well.
Then on August 28th, two months to the day, the other professor at Dr. Wessels was killed in the hiking accident.
It reportedly happened in the same mountainous vicinity and area in Washington, D.C., where Dr. Reed's encounter had taken place.
The thing that concerned me is, it concerned me a great deal that I had interviewed these people.
They were not willing to go on tape, record and transcript of the interviews.
But I can assure you that and assure everyone else that they were spoken to, and it was an extremely disquieting feeling to get the word that both of them were now passed away.
Yeah, I hope people in the audience can begin to understand why everybody's scared to death of this story and scared to death of public exposure because there have been too many deaths all around it.
No question about it.
Yes, yes.
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And that's what's made it extremely difficult to investigate.
And I think that's part of the plan is to cast the pall over people who will potentially report these experiences.
I like cases of high strangeness, so that's where my interest is focused.
Prior to that, I spent a number of years in the military as a paratrooper in an airborne reconnaissance unit.
I'm qualified in Arctic Warfare, Jungle Warfare, Small Arms and Small Unit Tactics, participated in both real world and training missions and deployments, and that's basically
Well, there are some other things that we found out that if we have time to talk about, one was an interesting anomaly about how they tracked Dr. Reed.
We found a transponder implant located in one of his front tooth.
We have pictures of this device, and I was able through retired CIA connections and NSA connections to find out exactly what the device was and to get a fact sheet on this particular device.
So you obviously have become friends with Dan Iria?
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Yes, we work closely because of trying to compile a case book on this.
His responsibility of photographic review of the evidence and some of his expertise as an engineer has come in quite handy in terms of the investigation.