Jose Escamilla presents decades of research on "rods"—fast, cigar-shaped creatures swimming through air at 65–300 mph, documented in 1994 Roswell footage and later confirmed via camera tests, including a 4–5 ft rod near a Northern Mexico cave. Military bunkers at Kirtland AFB allegedly stored lead-lined "Plant Two" containers, while eyewitnesses link rods to unexplained phenomena like HAARP skepticism and ancient petroglyphs. Their mass, avoidance of humans, and behavior in water—bubble trails, rapid turns—defy conventional biology, suggesting an undiscovered life form or even extraterrestrial interaction. Escamilla’s upcoming Seattle conference (May 25–28) promises new ocean evidence, raising questions about whether science has overlooked a parallel intelligence sharing Earth’s skies. [Automatically generated summary]
Good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours.
From the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands in the west, but now further west in Guam, east all the way to the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Caribbean, South, into South America, north, definitely to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
This is Coast of Coast AM and I'm R. And this is going to be a very special night.
Call a friend.
Do whatever you've got to do because tonight we are going to prove to you.
And I don't frequently use that word.
We are going to prove to you that we coexist on this planet with other living creatures that are all around us.
And again, you don't frequently hear me use the word prove or convince or present overwhelming evidence of something this strange, but we're going to do it tonight.
We're going to convince you.
We're going to provide overwhelming evidence.
We are going to blow your mind.
Some guy doesn't like the fact that I use that expression.
We're going to give the website a big stress test tonight.
We're going to put it up on a running belt and see how far it'll go.
Because the proof is on the website.
Jose Escimilia is going to be here in the next hour.
And Jose, over the years, has been a friend for a long time.
Jose has done something that I think the scientists, and I mean the mainstream scientists that are listening tonight, had better pay attention to.
So if you're in mainstream science and you have an open mind, even a little bitty open mind, stick around.
Because tonight, we're going to pry it open and we're going to prove to you that we coexist on this planet with another life form that nobody knows anything about except all of you who are going to listen to this program.
Jose Escamilia has been talking about rods for years now.
Tonight on the website, we're presenting incontrovertible evidence that we're coexisting on the planet with another living form, another life form, another perhaps even intelligent life form.
We don't know.
But the evidence is there in still photographs.
new still photographs i'm sure you've never seen the evidence is there in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
In about 15, if I counted correctly, and I might not have.
Moving videos in real audio and MPEG video.
Proof.
Moving video.
Proof of rods.
And I tell you, ladies and gentlemen, incontrovertible proof, this is not a minor claim to make.
So here's the deal.
I don't know how the website's going to handle it all.
We've got a pretty big pipe, so it may do all right.
But before Jose gets here, next hour, I want to start you up there right now and have you take a look.
Number two, I have a really cool new t-shirt.
You can see that on the webcam.
You've got to see my new t-shirt.
It really is very, very cool.
All right, having said that, number two, you're all going to have to bear with me because I'm coming down with a cold.
It has been trying to get me for the last four days.
You know how it is when, usually when I get a cold, I just, you know, I start sneezing and hacking and then I go through the cycle.
This one, this cold or the flu has been trying to get me for days now.
Art Bell, Somewhere in Time The environment close to me is of some interest tonight because I just got an email today from the Radon Earthquake Predictor Guy.
This is a fellow that through the years has been flawless in his predictions.
He does it by measuring the radon gas emissions from the wall of a well.
And I don't know what else.
See, my own computer's running.
So anyway, he has predicted, get this, folks, a 5.2 earthquake near Prump, Nevada.
Oh, wonderful.
Now, as you know, we've been having earthquakes, little ones circling my area, and now he's saying 5.2 near us.
Isn't that wonderful?
Within 72 hours.
And he's predicting a 5.5 earthquake in the Bay Area, Northern California, within 72 hours.
So, not saying it's going to happen.
Just saying, I've been following this fellow for years and years, and now I have officially registered his latest prediction.
All right, now NASA today had a news conference, and now I guess we know something we didn't know before.
We all thought the dinosaurs were destroyed by an asteroid, and I guess we still think that.
But we know something new tonight.
Asteroids crashing into Earth have virtually wiped out life, not once, but at least twice, scientists reported today.
So in other words, we used to think that it was just the dinos that went, right?
Now they're saying they have evidence that it's happened before, at least twice now, they say.
An asteroid or comet, reading the Reuters story here, roughly the same size as the one that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, did even worse damage, lo and behold, 250 million years ago.
This was published in Friday's issue of the journal Science.
The evidence comes from space gases trapped in little carbon spheres called buckyballs in ancient layers of sediment.
They show the Permian extinction event, which most species on the planet disappeared with, began with a big cosmic collision.
The impact releases an amount of energy, get this, that is basically about, if you can even calculate this in your mind, one million times the largest earthquake recorded during the last century.
One million times that size.
Robert Peretta, associate professor of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Rochester, said all that.
Said the comet or asteroid would have to have been, oh, I don't know, somewhere between four and eight miles across.
The jolt roused volcanoes, which buried huge areas in lava, sent up ash to join the dust from the explosion to plunge the entire world into centuries of unnatural dark and cold.
Trilobites, strange cockroach-like creatures that once ruled the planet, died out completely.
It was all over for the trilobites.
All 15,000 species of them, 90% of all marine creatures and 70% of land vertebrates went extinct.
So, is it really so hard, folks, to imagine that life may have come and gone on Earth many, many times?
I'm going to read you an email, and I'm telling you right off the top, this email is creepy.
Creepy, I say.
I want to talk to this gentleman.
I'd like to put him on the air.
He may not come on.
We'll see.
Art, I've been wanting to share this information with you for a long time now, but never sat down to write about it.
In the late 1980s and early 90s, I was stationed at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
I was a nuclear weapons technician on what was known as Sandia Base weapons storage area.
This was a mountain that was hollowed out for storage of thousands of nuclear weapons.
On this mountain, there were four main plants.
Plant three and four was where we worked on the weapons.
Plant one was for Sandia laboratory personnel, and plant two was something even more secret.
Around and inside the mountain were an additional 122 bunkers that were used for storage.
About 80 of them were used to store nuclear weapons, and the others were Sandia labs.
The whole mountain was surrounded with double electrified fences, underground sensors, plus a whole squadron of security police.
I was stationed on this base for six years and have seen and heard a lot.
One particular bit of information that you will find interesting is that nuclear weapons were classified a priority A resource.
Well, that means they were to be defended and protected at all costs.
We were told by security police, though, that if terrorists were to attack the mountain and had gained entry into a bunker and had possession of a nuclear weapon, and that at the same time a second group of terrorists were trying to gain entry into plant one, then to let them have the nuclear weapons and protect plant two with your lives.
Plant two was off-limits for us normal military.
We were never allowed inside.
The entrance was guarded by elite security of an unknown organization, and they made sure we never got close.
Every week or two, every week rather, two of us enlisted personnel were assigned on-call alarm support.
That means it was our job to promptly arrive at the base after any alarms in those bunkers went off, which was quite often, and open the bunker for an alarm technician to find out what went wrong.
More times than any, it was just a mouse that had sent the alarm off.
But with nuclear weapons being stored in these bunkers, it required two of us to open them called the two-man rule.
One time during my turn at alarm support, I was called in at about 2 a.m.
An alarm had gone off in one of the bunkers we never used for weapons storage.
We had to get a special set of keys to open this bunker, and security police came with us and stood guard outside with armed M16s, or armed with M16s.
I could tell by All the dirt buildup along the outer door and just inside, that this bunker hadn't been opened in some time.
We got both blast doors open and let the alarm technician in to see what was wrong.
When we entered the main chamber, which was about 60 feet long, I noticed rows of what looked like lead coffins.
They were about 8 feet long and 3 feet wide and 3 feet tall.
There must have been 6 rows of them and 4 deep.
There was a fence separating us from these coffins with warning signs not to enter.
This gives you a little idea of what was going on at this base.
Below, he says, are some links about the base and so forth and so on.
But I thought that you all should hear that.
What do you suppose would have been inside those lead coffins?
I've been wondering about that all day long since I got the email.
So if this man would like to call me, and I kind of doubt he will, by the way, I think Keith is posting this on the website for you.
And it's hard to read them all, but I do my very best.
I spend a lot of hours reading email, believe me.
So I read as much as I can.
But every now and then, one comes along that strikes me as true.
This one strikes me as true.
And so I wonder what was in those coffins.
And I wonder if this man will call me.
You know, to get rid of this damn cold, I've got to admit it right now, Dr. Day, if you're listening, I would eat five lima beans right now to make this cold go away.
So, Dr. Day, you're right.
Once struck down in one's relative youth with a cold, why, one would do nearly anything.
I didn't say I'd chew the damn things.
I'd swallow them whole, but I'd down five lima beans, which I have not done as an adult with choice.
I no longer eat lima beans.
You didn't hear last night's show.
That might not mean much, but one more thing.
I got this email tonight, and it worries me.
Hello, Art.
My name is, I'm not going to give the fellow's name, he put it here, and I work with Environment Canada, Atmospheric Environment Service.
And you know, Art, I've got to say that the weather out here in Western Canada has been very, very strange.
With little snow, but lots of sunshine, as it has been the second driest month of February on record, I don't know, might have something to do with HAARP.
Anyway, I'm wondering if you can send or tell me something or give me some information on HAARP and the weather changes it can do.
This is very interesting.
And, you know, it bothers me a little that somebody with this position working with Environment, Canada, Atmospheric, Environmental Service, would come to me to get information on why the weather is going wacky.
If he's coming to me, we're really in trouble.
By the way, I should have mentioned it a week ago.
Our sun has flipped.
It has flipped polarities.
You know, we have a sun cycle, and the flipping of the polarities is the marker indicating that we've reached the peak of the solar cycle.
And conversely, when we get into the valley, when we get into the lowest point of the solar cycle, there is another polarity flip.
And we head in the other direction.
So we just flipped.
The sun just flipped.
Oh, and one more little thing, and then we'll start take some calls here until we get to Jose Escamilia.
I don't know how strongly I can tell you.
Go to my website, www.arpel.com.
Go to the guest info and start watching all of these.
Look at the still photos and then start watching the video presentations of rods by the time it's over.
And by the time you've heard Jose, you will be given proof that we coexist on this planet with others, with another life form, intelligent or not.
I think Jose can make the case they are, but you didn't know they were there, did you?
These things that fly in our air, that swim in our air as a fish would swim in the sea.
They're here.
They've been here.
And we just now know about them.
And you'll believe that when you go through the various stills and moving videos.
Now listen.
The headline is, UK, United Kingdom biologist says, U.S. has bacteria which could kill all plant life.
From Wellington, a royal commission investigating genetic modification was in uproar on Monday after a scientist claimed the United States had engineered a bacterium with the potential to kill all plant life on the planet.
Yeah, you heard me right.
But a group representing pro-genetic science groups has responded by claiming that American biologist Elaine Ingham had misrepresented her research.
The Royal Commission on Genetic Modification has been hearing evidence in Wellington for about two months now.
And earlier, the Green Party called the Oregon State University soil biologist who told the Commission that the engineered bacterium had the potential to kill all life if released into the environment.
Dr. Ingram made outrageous and scientifically unsupported assertions.
Ingram said the bacterium had gained American regulatory approval, then killed all the wheat plants it was added to, contributing to a conclusion that changing the beneficial life in soil put the continued survival of humans at risk by affecting vital nutrients, water quality, and the ability to suppress disease.
Maybe we should talk with Dr. Ingham, huh?
Sounds like somebody I would like to interview.
Anyway, there's a big argument about it, but this fellow basically is saying that the U.S. has this bacteria that could kill all the plant life, all the plant life on planet Earth.
Well, what if it's true?
What if we do have something that will do that?
Something that will kill all the plant life on Earth.
I wonder where we got that, by the way.
And incidentally, you might want to consider what Ed Dames had to say about cows and children and milk.
Remember all that that so many people thought was so outrageous?
And then consider this mad cow thing in light of what Ed Dames said way back when.
Just think about it a little bit is all I'm saying.
And then I run into this story about the U.S. having some sort of bacteria that could actually destroy all plant life on Earth.
And think back to some of the things that Ed had to say.
Pretty interesting stuff, isn't it?
Tonight's going to be quite a night.
You better get a jump on seeing what we've got on the website right now because it's going to get real busy up there.
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Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 22, 2001.
Suddenly I just woke up to a happy night.
When you find me that you love the future, be high.
Because when you've got to turn around, you don't just care.
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Tonight, an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 22nd, 2001.
The funny thing is that I thought I was hallucinating, and then my friend, who was also smoking pot, got up and he said, he said, the worms, the worms.
I was wondering if you got an email from me earlier in the week.
I live in Sarasota.
And I listened to you on 790 WFLA.
And I emailed you about the Skunk Ape.
okay i got about two thousand emails or three thousand maybe or four thousand on the skunk ape and well it My boyfriend and I were staying out by Maiaca, which was, well, it is out east of Sarasota.
Right.
And we were staying in one of those old aluminum trailers.
Right.
And something about 3 o'clock in the morning tore down about 10 feet of fence, jumped on top of the trailer, dented it, ran the whole length of it and took off.
That's what I kind of wondered because we've had that story of the skunk ape apes around here for a long time, at least 20, 30 years, that I've heard of.
And you know sometimes when you've got a box and you've got a content, you want to eat something and it just won't come out and you turn the box upside down and you shake it trying to get it out.
As sure as I know that I'm a creature of the night, I know that we share this world of ours with other creatures that you don't know anything about.
Tonight is going to be a mind-expanding experience for you.
If there are legitimate scientists out there of whatever discipline, then I suggest you open your minds a little crack further, and we will prove to you before the night is over that we share this planet with another life force.
I don't know what they are.
They're called rods.
Jose Escamilia, who I believe is the discoverer of rods, calls them rods, and so probably he could have called them Escimelias.
But he calls them rods.
You can't see them, but occasionally.
The man last hour who had smoked some pots that he saw them.
But we have incontrovertible video and still photography tonight that will prove to you that, in fact, the rods are here.
They are some kind of life form.
They live in our atmosphere much as a fish lives in water with some distinct differences.
They may be intelligent, but they're not.
That's something we'll ask about.
But one thing's for sure, they are here.
And we've got the proof on the website right now.
We're going to be discussing it, so I suggest you merge with us.
The way you do that is go to www.artbellartel.com.
You go to click on program, and then tonight's guest info, you will see the name Jose Escamelia.
Below it, you will see three Links, the first of which says photos and videos of rods.
When you click on that, you will see a large number of very, very impressive still photographs of rods, and we're going to talk about those.
And then you will see a whole bunch of real video clips and MPEG video clips.
And by the time you've made it through those, and we're going to talk about them singly here in a moment, if you don't believe, as we believe, and I say we, as in Jose and myself, I don't often say that I think we've got incontrovertible evidence of something, but here I think we do.
You don't hear me say that very frequently.
This is an important program, and this is an important subject.
And I would like some legitimate scientists to kind of move along with us through the night.
You're welcome to do it as well.
It will blow your mind.
I have one listener who hates it when I say that, so I'm trying to use it as often as I can.
Now, all of that is coming up and information about Jose himself, but start up to the website right now and begin to get a look.
We'll describe to you what you're seeing, although you probably don't need that.
You'll be amazed at what you're seeing.
To imagine that we coexist with another life form on the planet right now, and that they're all around you, possibly even going through you right now.
A whole nother life form.
That's kind of a revelation, isn't it?
We'll be right back.
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Now let's go back to the night of February 22, 2001 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
It's been trying to get me now for four days, so just bear with me.
Producer-director Jose Escamilia has been editing film and video for over 17 years.
Video productions in release nationwide include LA Gang Violence, a documentary about LA gangs and Donnie, The Educational Dinosaur, a cartoon series starring Ruth Buzzy.
No kidding.
Richard Moll, Susie Kurtz, Brenda Vaccero, Kathy Ireland.
No kidding.
Ed Begley Jr., Dr. Joyce Brothers, Tom Bosley, Carlos Palmino, and Nel Carter.
Wow.
There's too much to read here about Jose.
He's 40 years old, born in Denver, Colorado, has a strong physical science background.
He attended Texas A ⁇ M University as a geology major.
After marrying and becoming a father, James joined the Medical Corps of the U.S. Army as a preventive medicine specialist whose mission is the prevention of disease and non-battle-related injuries.
Completed training at the top of his class as an honor graduate.
Courses included entomology training for the capture, identification, and control of disease-carrying and venomous arthropods, really?
Stationed at Fort Lewis, Washington, he completed the Nuclear Biological and Chemical Warfare course as the enlisted honor graduate and became the NBC non-commissioned officer NCO for his unit, which was the 105th Medical Detachment.
62nd Medical Group supported operations of the 1990 Team Spirit Training Maneuvers in Korea before he left active duty to be a single dad for his daughter after his split with his wife.
Returned to active duty for Operation Desert Shield.
Eventually was assigned to the Army Environmental Health Agency to support their engineering division as an engineering technician and industrial hygiene technician.
And it just goes on, and I've got pages and pages and pages of what this man has done.
But I think perhaps his most significant work has been rods.
That's what you're going to hear about tonight.
Another life forum that coexists with us on this planet, one that you cannot see.
Well, tonight you're going to see it.
It's on my website now.
So you'd better get started up there right now.
www.artbell.com.
Click on guest information.
Then, let's see, let's be sure I tell you correctly.
Click on program first, and then click on tonight's guest info, and you will see Jose Escamilia's name.
It says related info right below that.
Click on photos and videos of rods, and then you'll be in the right place.
Where in your career, and you sent me a total of, actually it printed as three pages, Jose, everything I was going to, or thinking of reading about you.
He got involved with me in 1995 when I moved to Denver.
And he was the assistant state director at that time for Colorado Mufon.
And when you heard that I had moved to town, he came in and his quest was to try to find out if I was full of crap or if I had something that was legitimate.
And so I'm sure there have been a number of people like James who have come to you, and as a result of the show tonight, will come to you and will want to begin a very serious investigation of the work.
That's what really helped me was he came in and helped me evaluate things in a different perspective than what I was doing.
You know, when you get too close to the work, you overlook certain things, especially logistics, you know?
And he came in with that kind of persona, and we both got together, and man, we've been together now for like six years since then, you know, and it's been a great journey.
As a matter of fact, early on in one of your first shows, I thought they were interdimensional things coming in.
And who's not to say they are not?
It's just that in order for us to prove that, we have to come up with that kind of evidence.
And we've grown to where we try to present the materials in a more of a logical sense and scientific manner where when we tell you this is a rod, that's a bird, that's an insect, we can definitely prove that.
Yeah, we take time and make sure that people get to see the effect and see what these things really look like, and we give a little bit of a description.
And I really thank you for putting those videos up there.
Okay, that was a shot that was taken by the Learning Channel.
The Learning Channel did a nine-minute segment on the rods back in 1999.
And they were filming a total different segment than what they were doing on us.
They were at the Oregon Vortex.
And what that is on the upper left-hand corner, it's some kids that are rolling a ball down This plank because this place is a vortex where it defies gravity, that kind of thing.
And they accidentally captured a rod whizzed by the camera, and they didn't notice it.
The editor picked it up when they were editing the segment for that particular show.
That's the kind of movement that we've seen the behavior.
You know, the way they fly or swim.
I call them skyfish for that reason aside from rods, but they seem to have this movement total different from insects where they appear to just glide or swim.
We've got some tank footage, man, taken by a military photographer out of Sweden.
And this tank is firing these shells.
It's a rapid fire tank.
And before the shell casings hit the ground, two rods fly right past the tank.
And they're pretty good-sized rods, maybe about three or four feet long.
And before the shells hit the ground, and this is a matter of seconds, I'm talking in three or four seconds, these shell casings arc and then they finally hit the ground.
This rod just zips through, you know, as if it was maybe chasing the shell.
The ones that you're seeing on that, you know, the four pictures there, those are the typical rods that have the undulatory wave membranes along both sides of the torso.
Well, if we're just now finding out and can prove that another life form coexists with us on the planet, a life form we cannot quite see, or we see only sometimes, if we're going to prove that to you tonight, and we are, then what else might there be that we don't know about?
The possibilities are endless.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 22, 2001.
I think that I've seen rods, and I'll tell you how.
Aside from the incontrovertible video proof that we have on my website right now, have you ever seen in the corner of your eye, in a quick movement, do you detect a movement in the, you know, out of the corner of your eye, just a real flash of a movement out of the corner of your eye?
Yeah, and once you get used to the thought that, and I say this carefully, once you get used to the thought that these things exist, you'll see them.
I mean, you know, the people that were talking about, the prana and higher consciousness, you know, once you open up that there's something there, then you definitely see things, you know?
That thing, I think, see, you're looking at a rooftop there, and if you can count the frames, and see, I slowed it down to about five frames per second so you can see the wing flaps of the birds, and it's in slow motion.
And what's unique about this is in the last frame, you're going to see the tail, the small tail section of the rod is still in sunlight while most of the torso is being shadowed by the rim of the cave.
Jose, with the rod going through the sunlight and into the shadow, that begins to rule out an awful lot of photographic anomaly-type arguments, doesn't it?
Well, the mass of the rod, I mean, you have to figure, you know, if the sunlight can, if the shadow can overshadow most of the torso, you know, it's definitely got mass.
I mean, we've got footage of them going in the ocean through the bubble trail.
We've got shots of these bass jumpers jumping into the cave.
We have one shot in a video that I produced, Smoking Gun Evidence, that the guy's jumping into this cave and a rod goes right to him and then avoids contact.
And then we have one, you have a clip on your video page here.
At the bottom, it says rod circling man.
Actually, that's a little boy.
This rod goes around the kid's torso, you know, around his waist and comes back towards the camera.
And you can see the thickness of this rod as it goes around his waist.
I mean, it's as wide around as the little guy's pistol that he's wearing.
In fact, perhaps to a rod, unless we happen to be jumping off a cliff, and then a rod might notice, particularly notice us, because we're moving relatively fast.
Otherwise, to a rod, we're almost an inanimate object.
As you see in the background, the camera's following him, and the background is a complete blur.
Then you have this rod that comes in and not only falls straight down with them, but also travels in a direct path, makes a U-turn and goes back where it came from, all at the same time falling straight down at about 120 miles an hour.
Yeah, well, they appear to go into the ground, but I think they level out.
I used to think they went into the ground and came out of the ground many years ago, but after looking at the footage now with a different logic behind it, yeah, they appear to enter the ground, solid ground, but they don't.
I don't think they do.
However, the ocean shots, and talk about mass, when they jump in the ocean and they fall in, they leave a bubble trail.
Well, actually, yeah, but in a way, it argues against it.
If they have some sort of mass, then according to the laws of physics, they should move or could move in the water, but wouldn't they move slower in the water than in the air?
No, when I talked to Dr. Jack Casher, he's a professor of physics in Nebraska, he said, Jose, this puts it in a total different realm.
There's no such thing that can do that, you know?
So we don't know what we're dealing with.
We just know that it's a type of creature, man, or a life form that has the ability to reverse both mediums, both liquid mediums, the water and the atmosphere.
I mean, or in some interaction with a human being, is there any indication that they care about us at all other than we're just sort of something that moves very, very slowly and is not to be thought of as anything special?
I've gotten emails from people who say, man, there's this one object, this white object, that keeps crossing the road in front of us every time we're driving out of our farm, and it just boom zips by.
We don't know what it is, but we keep seeing it.
So I sent the email and say, hey, man, videotape next time.
And we have visual evidence on my website in the form of still photographs, some by the Learning Channel, others, most in fact by Jose Escamelia, of another life form that's all around us, coexisting on the planet, using the same air, the same water that we use.
It's a life form, and you can see it.
And we're about to go to a video of a rod circling a man that's just astounding.
It's down toward the bottom of the list of videos, and it's absolutely astounding.
So one more time, the instructions, if you can get to a computer, go to my website, www.artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L.com.
Click on tonight's guest info, the name Jose Escamilia, and then, of course, the stills and the video of this life form that we're talking about and seeing tonight.
We're going to go down to the one that says Rod Circling Man.
That's going to come next.
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Now let's go back to the night of February 22, 2001 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
And this rod, man, it must be doing about 30, 40 miles an hour, man, because when you look at the video in real time, I've slowed it down to about three, four frames per second.
When you see it in regular motion, man, it just goes boom.
I mean, you can't even see it do the turn that it does around this kid's waist.
And what's amazing about it is you can actually see it turn.
I don't know if some of your audience may be able to do frame by frame, but man, it's just an amazing shot of a rod.
And then you can take that frame, that same rod image, and you can look at another rod that's up on the website that says rod flies over cameraman's shoulder.
It was something that was just zipping by real fast.
He sprayed aerosol.
Didn't see it anymore.
Then he says he went into his lab.
I don't know what kind of lab He had, but he had sulfur all over the place.
You know, maybe he had a methane lab for all I know.
But he says he goes back in there and then he hears this fluttering sound and he sees this thing fall from the ceiling and falls on this bed of sulfur.
And when he went and touched it, and he said it was definitely a rod shape.
It was a rod object that had the membrane along both sides of the torso.
When he touched it, it disintegrated into a fine dust.
And one of the guys said that one bumped into him and it fell and he picked it up, put it in a jar.
And then by the time they traveled an hour down the road to get to the hotel, by the time they pulled the jars back out, it had disintegrated into fine dust.
It looked like the kind of film you get off of a moth's wings.
And cats, of course, are constantly chasing things that are unseen.
Now, a lot of people think that cats make these things up in their mind, that they concoct these invisible playmates to go pounce on and to run after suddenly and pounce onto the rug.
Sometimes they'll jump up at a window or something.
There's no bird out there.
They're just after something that their cat brain thinks is there.
Well, what if it is there?
And what if cats do see?
You know, a cat's a system that they run 102 degrees.
You know, one of our biologist friends from Denver said, you know, the enzymes that these things are burning to be able to travel at that kind of those kind of high speeds and make right-angle turns and maneuvers and things, you know, they're burning a lot of enzymes, you know?
There's no telling what kind of protein these things have, man.
I mean, it's amazing.
It's definitely something that we need to get more people involved in.
And, you know, little by little, we're making strides.
You know, we were mentioning earlier, you know, the spiritual aspect.
You know, I went through the path, man.
I went to the Star Knowledge Conferences, met with the elders and the Native Americans, and they call them arrows, and they have their own thing about what they could be.
Standing out, who's one of the religious leaders of the Native Americans, the Sioux Indian tribes, he had told me that the elders said that these things are called arrows as far as they're concerned, and they are definitely of a spiritual nature, according to their insights.
They say that the white rods are like our thoughts, no, like our prayers.
The dark rods are like our thoughts, and they don't know what the red and orange ones are, you know.
But that's the spiritual aspect.
And, you know, I went through all aspects trying to find out what the hell we're dealing with.
Just recently, finally, after all these years, we've been doing this for seven years now, cryptozoologists have finally acknowledged that this could be a type of creature or life form that exists among us.
So cryptozoologists are finally catching on.
And eventually, hopefully, we'll get more scientific individuals involved.
I haven't seen any footage from the 40s or 50s, you know, aside from Trevor James Constable's infrared photographs of rods, you know.
But I've had other people that said, hey, Jose, there's this movie with John Wayne where they open up the bomb thing that drops the bombs and we saw a rod fly right through before they dropped the bombs.
And this was an old John Wayne movie.
So I haven't seen the footage myself, but I get reports.
He came in to investigate me back in 95 when he was with Colorado Mufon, the assistant state director, and he sat with me literally and watched hundreds of hours of footage.
And, man, he had his Eureka moment, and that's how I met him.
I thought I had one bio here, but I had one bio and well, really two bios and one thing here, so I mixed it all up.
But I read a little bit about you.
You were in Colorado MUFON, huh?
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Yeah, until I moved out here to California last year.
I was the assistant state director for quite a few years.
You know, Michael Curta, and he became my friend, and through him and my association with MUFON, through him, I joined, became an investigator, and then later on eventually became the assistant state director.
Yeah, in the beginning, the footage was fascinating, it was interesting, but it was not conclusive.
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Well, there was so many unusual aspects about it.
And my problem was that I really didn't have a background in film or video.
And I was looking at it from what is the data actually telling me?
How is the data collected?
What's going on with the film?
The camera settings, things like that.
And, of course, Jose had a much bigger background in that.
And he was able to explain a lot of these things to me initially.
And once I got a little bit more of a feel for it, though, and different shots taken by different people with different cameras and different lighting situations, different focal lengths, things like that, it just became that you could see there was an underlying theme after you've seen a couple of hundred hours of footage that you can really start to get a kind of a gut feeling for, well, that's a rod, and that definitely isn't.
And they have certain characteristics kind of segregate them out of misfilmed insects or birds.
You can take a blurry shot of a bug and be rod-like.
There's lots of rod-like phenomena out there.
And one of my focuses has been trying to keep it really straight onto exactly what it is we're investigating and not getting sidetracked by these other things that have kind of popped up along the way.
If you only had a two-dimensional way of trying to draw this for a friend, if say you were sitting down and trying to explain rods to somebody, that's what I'd draw.
Yeah, and you were on a chalkboard or a cocktail napkin or something like that, what would you put?
That was said to me by one of the archaeologists who I met in Mexico City when I was with Jaime Mausan, and he stayed in touch with me, and he said, Jose, you'll never guess what I found.
And he sent me these photos, man, and it just totally blew me away.
And that's where they went to have their spiritual experience.
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Right.
And, you know, earlier I was kind of chuckling when he had the caller in who said he was high when he saw these rods, or what he thought were rods.
Well, for all the chuckling that even I did for that call, it's basically a cultural thing, because in our culture, if you tell somebody that you were intoxicated or on drugs, your credibility as a witness goes.
But I don't quite look at it that way, despite my chuckling.
I think that.
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No, it is funny.
But in this case, too, though, I touched just before the break there about the visual acuity aspect of it.
I mean, you can train yourself, basically.
Some people naturally are more adept to it than others.
But I went through experience where I basically trained myself.
I didn't realize it was going on when it happened, but I was training myself to pick these up because when I was first sitting down with Jose, he would play a tape back at regular speed, and he'd go, zip there, did you see it?
And I go, what?
And he'd have to rewind it, go back frame by frame before I get to the other side.
And in that job, you had to be able to take phone calls from the public.
You had to control about, oh, I don't know, as many as 15 or 20 police cars at any given time, know where each one is, what it's doing.
You had to dispatch them, do everything.
It was a lot of multitasking.
And before they would ever let you sit down and do it for real, because, you know, you had lives in your hand.
You had to spend weeks and weeks sitting next to a dispatcher with headphones on, and you had to learn to hear the calls while you were doing something else and learn to segment it all in your brain.
It was a very serious job, and I'm sure that's kind of like learning to see rods.
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It is.
And it wasn't until after that that I had my first eyewitness sighting of my own personal sighting of a rod, and that's the one that just totally clinched it that, you know, I'm going, yeah, okay, I know this phenomenon is real and unique and separate all into its own.
But obviously, James, you've come to Jose to add some scientific expertise to what he's done.
And I understand how he got to where he got to with rods and why he got there.
But yours must be a rather frustrating job because you compiled the scientific evidence and then you, no doubt, tried to go to legitimate scientists and present them to with it.
So what kind of reception do you generally get?
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It's amazing.
They'll sit there and nod their head yes and they'll say, okay, that's unusual, that's unique, and it falls flat.
I think what it is, it's just more of a not so much on scientists themselves, but just the scientific community and how they're funded and where they get their grants and who pays their bills and writes their paychecks for them.
What we've gone on now, though, here's a good analogy, is that when we first started out, the very first of this, when I got involved, we were hearing a lot about the spiritual nature of this.
Energy forms, was it physical?
Did it have mass?
Those kind of things have been covered so far.
Then the UFO community really picked it up.
Rods is UFOs.
Well, technically, it is an unidentified flying object, but they were putting it to alien creatures and cigar-shaped spacecraft and things like that.
And now it is rightfully in the place where I think in the cryptozoology area of investigation and that you get more cryptozoologists now who are picking up and investigating RODS.
Well, they're recognizing it now as a life form, as an animal, and you're getting more people who are at it.
But just like people with Bigfoot sightings and other things like that, when you approach the scientists, I find it very similar.
They'll sit there and they'll go, okay, well, you got something there, but they just don't want to get involved with it.
And we've got some people.
Now, that's not to say that everybody's like that.
I mean, obviously, we have Dr. Casher who's been working with us.
Bruce McAbee's helped us out with especially the shot where the rod goes into the shadow.
Ken Swartz there in Denver is a scientist who's got a strong biology background who really keyed us on some really unique aspects possibly on the evolution of rods and where they came from.
So it's not to say that we haven't gotten some good hits and great feedback from real professional scientists, but as far as it being a subject material that's acceptable, it's not anywhere close.
I'm sitting here watching the video again of the man falling and the rod going by and then the rod, a close-up of the rod, going from the sunlight into a shadow.
That's absolutely, it's just incontrovertible.
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Yeah, I agree with you.
And I even showed it to the entomologists that I was working with.
These are guys who have master's degrees and PhDs in studying insects, basically, or arthropods, which is more the correct term.
But they would look at it and scratch their head at it, but they're so involved in what they're doing.
Unless they just had a personal interest in it, something they would want to do on the side, they would be able to do it.
But they would never be able to officially sanction the results or their comments on it.
Also, there's an entomologist out of England that made a perfect model of what he felt would be the prehistoric ancestor of today's insects.
Now, I don't want to say that rods are insects, but there's, you know, what I'm talking about, we may have hit upon what might be the origin of these things.
The biologist in Denver brought out Animal Acharis, which is a creature from 500 million years ago.
This entomologist made a model, and it's a little thing that he throws, and it actually flies.
He says, this is what today's insect's ancestor would look like.
See, to me, the one thing is that there's a lot of supposition here about, well, could this be an ancestor of rods?
Number one, it's called prototerago.
And it's a hypothetical ancestral creature to insects.
They haven't any fossil evidence or anything of this particular thing.
But in his mind, he's going, in the evolutionary path of things, following the fossil record, something like this could very easily have been the first evolutionary precursor to what eventually evolved into what we commonly call insects today.
And he built a cardboard model of it, and it flies.
It's aerodynamically viable.
It's a glider.
It doesn't have any propulsion on it, but it glides well.
And you look at it, and if you know anything about rods, it just clicks right in your mind right away.
So even if it's not the ancestral, you know, any kind of physical proof that rods exist, one thing it does show is that the aerodynamics of rods is viable.
And that's something that a lot of people don't understand.
The aerodynamics, in other words, when you duplicate the shape as best you can, it works.
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It glides, yeah.
You know, anybody who's a pilot, you know, basically what you need to do is you need to overcome gravity and drag to be able to fly.
You need thrust and you need lift.
And there's lots of different wing designs out there in ways that you can do this.
You know, right now in the ocean, we see one of the best, I think, models for what we think rods have in the cuttlefish or the squids with their fins alongside their body.
More so than stingrays and stuff because of the tubular shape of the body and the thin, translucent nature of the fins that they have.
I can understand everything you've said aerodynamically.
But then how would you account for a rod moving at similar speeds as though the new mass of the water, when it dives into the water, isn't even there?
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Well, you have to understand that they very often do aerodynamic studies in water.
And the hydrodynamics is basically the same thing as the aerodynamics, just the medium is less dense when you're dealing with water and less dense with air than it is with water.
Yeah, so much less dense that a rod should slow way down in the water.
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Well, they do seem to slow down.
Like I said, with the bubble trail, they obviously have enough drag, but they were still very fleeting in the water.
I'm not saying that they were, and what we have from the National Geographic footage, I don't think it's traveling 100 miles an hour, but it's still very fast.
In other words, as I sit here in my studio right now, or you sit where you all are sitting, how likely is it that there is a rod near us, around us, above us, below us, somewhere, moving near us?
How dense a population of rods is typically?
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They're not real dense, but you've got to really think of them.
Sky fishing, for example, is one reason why that term is even used by us is because it is a lot like fishing.
You know, you might have a lake full of fish, but if you're not in the right spot, you're not going to get nothing.
Any thoughts on what it might be that attracts them particularly to a cave environment?
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One thing, it's a protected environment.
It's a very humid environment.
If they are using the water, fresh water or salt water as part of their life cycle, which I believe they do, a humid environment is going to be something that they're going to want.
It's protected.
There might be a food source there for them.
They might be actually, we got a rod shot of a swallow chasing a rod off.
So it would make sense that a bird would see a rod, just as a cat would see a rod.
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Yes, yes.
So we have interacting with the environment.
So, I mean, for it to interact with a human, you made an excellent point earlier about, you know, why is it something peculiar about these guys, these base jumpers, jumping in this cave?
Because they're moving fast.
They're not used to something that big moving that fast around.
I think they're going to have a certain amount of curiosity and check it out.
Whether it be, now we want to say it's curiosity, well, maybe it's a defensive maneuver.
You know, who knows what their motivation is for what they do, but they do display an interaction with their environment.
They've got radar, and they, I suppose, if you were to consider what a bat does and you didn't know about its radar ability, its sonar, you would attribute some sort of intelligence to it by the way it avoids things.
Are we doing that with rods?
In other words, the way they would circle a man or the way they would go under a shell casing or any of the other amazing things we've seen them do?
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Well, I think they do have an affinity to low frequencies.
There are some sounds that rods make that we've caught on video when they've sounds, yeah.
There's various little things that we understand that are unique about rods.
When we hear it or see it, we know that that's kind of a tag for the phenomena.
When a rod flies close by the camera, it makes a, to me, it sounds like if you took a wooden spoon and wrapped it on a counter, it's a kind of a wooden knock sound.
It's very quick, very sharp.
Insects, on the other hand, when they fly to the camera, you're going to get a buzz or a whine or a kind of a sound.
You mean kind of like this?
Very close.
A little bit more of a thud type sound, actually.
Just think of a big wooden spoon just knocking it once on the counter.
And yeah, and it's that fast.
But an insect flies by, you get the Doppler effect, and you get the.
We have had, and here I go off on another track, but we've had tons of footage from NASA of spacewalks and building the space station and stuff from the various shuttle missions we've had up.
Has anybody ever seen a rod in space?
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Well, that's where we go back to this thing about defining the phenomena itself.
There's been a lot of rod-like things that have been seen in space, shooting around and stuff like that.
But for my purposes, you know, the thing has wings and it needs air to move.
And obviously, if it's interacting with water, I'm sure it has a metabolism.
I'm pretty sure it's probably going to need oxygen and things like that.
So a rod being one of what we're calling a rod, being in space myself, I think would be a pretty slim chance.
You've confirmed all this to your own satisfaction, James?
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And because we've, you know, in the early days, you know, you'd only get one shot or one clip where it showed that.
But in the meantime, we've had other shots that have duplicated that, you know, so you have three or four examples of a similar thing going on.
And the other thing is we're not just dealing with video here.
We're also dealing with film, motion film, and still film.
And we're also dealing with eyewitness accounts.
So you have to look at the entire body of the data that you're working with.
And one of the things with the eyewitness accounts is that Rod, I don't think they have the sonic ability of bats for avoidance because I know that one of the emails we got is from an over-the-road trucker.
And he might be listening out there because I know you've heard about Rod's first time listening to Arbel.
But he was talking about him seeing an object coming down the road at him and it hitting the windshield and it was way too big to be an insect.
I mean, half of them probably think, you know, I've been driving too damn long now.
I'm seeing things.
And since you kind of see them out of the corner of your eye anyway.
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Right.
And one of the comments he made is that he says, you know, when they wash their trucks down after a run, they're washing all kinds of stuff off of there.
And they surprise themselves about what the hell could this stuff be?
So I don't think rods have any magical or mystical ability not to screw up every once in a while.
No, I haven't been able to get the license to that footage, but Gary England of Channel 9 News in Oklahoma videotaped a rod flying into the wind, 300 mile-an-hour wind.
Do you remember, just for fun, do you remember when we had Ed Dames remote view rods?
And Ed thought it was, we set it up on one show and Ed thought, oh yeah, sure, okay, I'll do it.
Because we had photographs, and Ed Dames remote viewed these and came back and said, oh my God, they are living things sharing the same space with us.
He did say that early on, too.
Now, I want you all to follow along with us.
One more time, I'm going to instruct you on how to see everything that we've been talking about.
Go to my website at www.artbell.com.
That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L.com.
When you get there, just go to Program, put your cursor over that, tonight's guest info, and then you'll see Jose Escamilia's name there.
And below that, you'll see related info, photographs, and videos of rods.
Now, I'm going to go down to a pretty interesting shot that's entitled New Mexico Rod Shot with UFO.
And I'm going to take a look at that one with my two guests in a moment.
And we are going to get the phone lines open, and we're going to let you ask questions because I assume by now, many of you have had a chance to go up and see all of this.
And if you Have, you know, they're not insects.
You know, they're not birds.
You know that we're dealing with a life form that's all around us all the time.
That's big news.
That's science award stuff.
We'll get right back to it.
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You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 22, 2001.
Now, again, it's a moving video, and when I play it, I see what looks like a white, unidentified flying object, but then going directly above this thing, from right to left, is this, what appears to be a long rod.
Regretfully, it's hard to get a field of reference with it.
This would be a good point to bring up what we call the sky fishing protocol, is that when somebody wants to go out there and sky fish is to purposely put objects in your field of view that you wouldn't do for aesthetic reasons, so that when you come back and if you do catch a rod, you have a chance to use whether it be a telephone pole, a power line, a tree, any kind of object, inside of a building, whatever.
So when you do finally get the rod, is that you can get an idea for, you know, narrow it down what the distance from the camera might actually be.
Right, that was my first rod shot shot over near the downtown area of Roswell, New Mexico.
That building that you see there is the bank building, which is situated at Main Street in 4th, which is the original location for the Roswell Data Record back in 1947.
Well, you know, Art, I went to the Museum of Natural History here in L.A. and showed the footage and the evidence that we have to some of the oceanographers and entomologists and biologists there, and they are totally, totally into it.
It's just that they said, Jose, our science is we need specimens or a fossil or something that we can really grit our teeth in.
They're not trying to say we're not interested.
They're very interested.
But what the main objective is in their site, bring us a carcass, man, and then we'll tell you exactly what rod is.
Okay, I was at the cave two and a half weeks ago in Mexico, and I saw two of them with the naked eye, and they were going so slow I could have mistaken them for birds, but they weren't birds.
They were actually rods.
And I'll tell you, Art, if I would have had one of these nets, you know, like a swimming pool net that you clean your garbage out of a swimming pool, a skimmer, you know, 10 feet long, I could have swooped one up.
They were that close, but they were, you know, you've got to know this cave, it's like a steep drop, 1,250 feet down.
Okay, well, I think it's sharks, they say, always have to stay in motion or they die.
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Yeah, I think it has to do with their method of propulsion.
I think for a rod to hover would be a fairly difficult Maneuver for it, and it would be an unusual circumstance for it.
Another thing I think is that from some of the eyewitness reports that we've had is that the rods have more than one method of propulsion.
I think they have the capability of gulping air into their body and kind of expelling it under pressure as kind of a jet motion.
Like a jet wood or an octopus would in the water.
It's kind of a quick shot, either for acceleration or maybe if they were sitting at rest.
For example, if they were, we've got a guy in Trinidad, the island of Trinidad, who said that he has a rod that kind of looked like it wrapped itself around a branch of a tree, a twig of a tree, and resting, not exhibiting any legs or anything like that.
And another guy who saw a rod, which appeared to be an ill rod, the way he describes it, it sounded like something that wasn't healthy.
But no, actually, though, the reason why I say that is because in effect what he was describing was like breaking wind, gulping in and your body actually expanding.
Taking it in on the front end, which is what end of a rod, and then expelling it under force and contraction on the other end, getting a jet propulsion out of it.
By the way, is there any indication that there is a front and a rear to a rod?
Is there any indication of in any of these photographs when you get really close up of anything that would appear to be what's on the website with the close-up of the rod?
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The one that looks like it has a corkscrew pattern to its.
And at the still at the end, when there's a freeze and you zoom into it, if you'll notice at the very right end, which appears to be the front because that's the direction of motion, there's a little bit of a hook.
I see it.
Yeah.
Now that's something that we had kind of kept under our own belt for a long while, just to see if this might be an indicator of a true rod.
300 mile-an-hour winds, and this is at 3,000 feet above the ground.
The helicopter pilot saw it.
They filmed it.
Gary England, who is the meteorologist for the weather station there, Channel 9 News in Oklahoma City, he saw it with the naked eye, and he also saw it on video, and he called it an unidentified flying thing.
Well, okay, isn't this then evidence, again, of a rod being particularly interested in a really fast-moving thing?
A tornado's going really fast, right?
It has some mass because it's picked up dust and whatever, God knows what else.
Talking energy, vortexes, you know, and so to a rod, this would be a contemporary, almost.
Moving that way.
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And I think that rods, if they've shown us anything as far as sounds and things like that, they seem to be attracted to low frequencies, maybe even frequencies that we can't hear in the normal human range.
The tank firing, very low frequency, traveling long distance because in all the rod shots where they're approaching the tank, they seem to be coming from far away, coming specifically to the tank.
So you've got a very strong, low frequency impulse that's going out.
We've got an eyewitness account of somebody who was throwing a boomerang, and he's talking about he's got one of those four-bladed boomerangs.
And it's got this one particular field, and on occasion he'll go out and he'll throw the boomerang, and these things will kind of appear to rise out of the grass up to it as it reaches the end of its arc.
And then when it slows down, start to come back, they seem to lose interest in it, and then they zip away again.
So there's these kind of recurring themes that you have to add up as anecdotally along the way.
All right, well, I'm going to hope that some of the people that we're going to bring on the phones here to ask questions have seen some of these stills and the video tonight on the website.
I'm going to just hope that so that we can get comments from people who have just sort of run into this tonight.
And I want to get their impressions.
So let's go to the phones.
First time caller line, you're on the air with the rod guys.
I was wondering if you had come across any written reports throughout history That had confirmed the existence of these rods because when you said that, these had been around for a while.
It had sparked a memory of mine.
And while reading a book called The Encyclopedia of Hell, I came across an interesting entry.
Now, don't mistake the title.
This is a book that compiled entries about evil in its various forms throughout history.
And the authors have also written a companion book called The Encyclopedia of Heaven that lists various saints and other things religious.
Now, this entry I came across regarded a saint, and I can't remember his specific name, but his story follows this outline.
A century ago, this saint had been praying to God, and the focus of his prayer was that he was asking God to reveal the evil spirits that surround us each and every day.
Now, God answered the saint's prayer and opened the saint's eyes in such a way that he was able to view the evil demons and spirits, and those spirits filled the air as though bees.
The entry goes on to say the swarms of evil spirits continually surround us, waiting to jump into any of our orifices and cause us to sin whenever we allow ourselves to become hosts of impurity.
And this was God's explanation for this.
And once he started talking about these rods, you know, the story instantly came up to mind because I thought it was kind of freaky that you could just look in the thin air and see swarms of hidden spirits that you normally would not be able to perceive on a day-to-day basis.
Well, there's been a lot of people, like I said, that have described rod-like phenomena and attributed spiritual qualities to it.
Now, you know, it would just be a supposition to say, were they seeing real rods, what we're talking about when we mention rods, a physical creature of some kind, and attributing it to being something special, miraculous, or supernatural because they're so unique and hard to see.
But when Sir Arthur Conner Doyle, I know that on the website, roswellrods.com, he's got a story that's attributed to being fiction, but he describes these serpents in the air.
And when you read his account of what this is supposedly what a pilot was observing while he was flying in the atmosphere, it is so good.
It is so close to being a description of what a rod looks like.
You have to wonder how much of that was his imagination and how much it might have been personal experience.
I mean, that's, to me, you're reaching at the very limits of credibility there when you start talking about something that big, that fast, and moving it.
But again, that might be one thing about the cave is that it's such a remote environment.
Until just very recently, only the local natives, I mean, it wasn't discovered until the early 60s by scientists.
And so it's left undisturbed, and maybe that's one place where the larger rods are allowed to.
We're going to concentrate more heavily on the telephones because I know you all have questions.
And again, I'm going to hope that a lot of you that called tonight have seen what we have on the website at www.artbell.com.
Please take a look.
We'd love to have your reaction to a new living thing.
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Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 22, 2001.
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Tonight, an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 22nd, 2001.
I'm doing all kinds of things, and I'm getting angry at this cold, and I'm wondering why science can discover things like rods and all sorts of diseases they claim to have cured, and yet we still get this god-forsaken common cold.
Have we really come as far as we think we have?
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*Skiss* *Skiss* *sad music*
Now let's go back to the night of February 22, 2001, on ArcVell, Somewhere in Time.
But even if they don't want to go to that kind of work, you know, where they might or might not capture rod, there's enough existing evidence for them to put together a visual story that would knock their viewers right on their rear ends.
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Oh, there's a ton of it.
I mean, if you want to talk just about the actual video we have of rods, and we're talking about what we consider rods, there's a lot of bad stuff out there.
Anybody with a camcorder these days is out there with automatic settings and doesn't understand what the protocols are to use and stuff, and they get something blurry and long shapes coming through there, and they think they got a rod.
And it really, we appreciate that.
And some people are actually catching rods, but for the most part, to be quite honest, they're not.
The biggest thing what we're talking about here is equipment.
And what you need to understand is that we've been funding our own research out of our own pockets.
And except for an investor that came in last year and bought us a camera that we're currently using for this, everything's been out of our own blood, sweat, and tears.
And like I said, equipment equals money.
And believe me, we've got a laundry list of equipment that we want.
We want to try ways that we can analyze this.
Different Nets.
Ken Swartz, I mentioned before, back in Denver, has come up with different models of nets and stuff with us.
And we've got the time, but right now it just comes down to funding the research at the same time.
The very first thing on my list, and I think Jose would agree with me on this, is a motion analysis camera, a camera that's capable of filming at very high frame rates and very high resolution at the same time.
And also be able to do it more than eight seconds at a time or something like that.
We've found a couple of cameras that would fit the bill and would have to be portable and something we can use in a field.
We know they're out there, but we're talking about 50 grand and up just to show up.
You know, one is you're talking about a pristine environment, and when you leave, you want to leave as least evidence as possible that you were even there because it's a national landmark of sorts.
You could do a whole shell in a cave by itself, believe me.
And so you would have to do something that was environmentally friendly.
You would have to aim at, hopefully, a capture method that would preserve the rod because right now it looks like they're very delicate.
I want to tell you how extreme it goes, just brainstorming one time.
I came out with what if we had an air cannon that shot out a big wad of corn syrup, you know, in a cloud and knock this thing out, and you'd be able to stick the rod out of the mess and then just let the Raquero syrup.
I mean, we've gone that far with trying to think about ways we could catch rods.
Wild card line, you're on the air with a rod, guys.
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Well, I'll tell you, guys, next time you get out of a cave, I'll supply a couple hundred square feet of mosquito netting and all the block attack that you need.
There you go.
Jose, I met you a couple of years ago at the San Mateo Marriott when Richard Hogan was doing a gig there.
And you introduced me to rods and gave me a tape, and I was quite intrigued.
Now, did I misrepresent it, or are we presenting incontrovertible evidence?
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Well, I mean, obviously to you and me and 75% of your listeners out there, it's incontrovertible.
But mainstream science is always going to say, you know what, we've got to look the other way to keep our tenures.
That's about all I can do.
I think to a scientist, when you say you're going to bring one in a jar full of formaldehyde as being incontrovertible evidence, I mean, that ultimately is the description of it.
But I think what we can definitely say with these is that we're talking about the preponderance of the evidence, and especially as time goes on and we look at more details of what makes this phenomenon unique.
I'm looking at a mosquito hawk dead on my ceiling.
How come these guys never kind of like fly into the house?
I mean, even birds every once in a while fly through an open window, and they're intelligent, so you kind of think that there's an avoidance thing going on there.
Also, they're flying around at huge speeds, making huge amounts of turns, and they're also, you guys are kind of figuring out that they have some wing structure, and they're living within the laws of physics, so they must be birders burning a huge amount of energy.
In fact, Jose and I had an experience recently in the last year where we think that we had an alarm going off at a studio we were working in at the time, and we both had a rod sighting at the same time, and we kind of wonder if maybe that was setting off the alarm.
Yeah, the other question was, what are these guys eating?
I mean, if they're flying through the air all the time on every piece of footage, and they're burning a lot of energy, that energy's got to come from somewhere.
Gentlemen, you did point out in the one really close-up of a rod that it almost looked like some sort of something at the front of the rod opening, which would indicate it takes in or expels air and or also gets nutrition in some way.
What's your best guess in that category?
How do they eat?
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Well, I think right now is our best bet, I don't know if it's our best guess, but our best bet is that they might also be feeding on insects.
Now, we've had reports of insects milling about in a cloud and rods flying through the cloud, you know, similar to maybe how a predatory fish would swim through a school of whether it ate bugs, we don't know.
in other words if they smack into something have you ever seen a rod moving cause anything to move you know mass on mass climbing last well other than that uh...
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referees and if you want to say if they if they had a windshield of the car they're getting there They're not moving the car.
Not to be facetious, but if the way they're moving through the air, they're moving the molecules of the air for propulsion.
I'm not quite sure what you mean, though.
Well, the reason I ask is you talked about some of their playful nature and the way that they would move around the man who was falling.
Right.
When you see these things moving out of the corner of your eye, and it's probably the one thing in common almost everybody has is they have seen something move.
But I'm talking in particular about an item that might be, you know, it was there.
Well, the guys who claim to have caught a rod and put it in a bottle and it turned to dust with that story, they said that the rods were actually impacting their body.
They could not only feel it, it hit them, but it was also they could see the shirt or whatever clothing they were wearing dent in with the impacts.
Yeah, just like somebody shot a bullet into the water.
That's a kind of bubble trail.
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You can see it break the surface and it leaves a bubble trail that streams behind it.
Yeah, and also one other thing, 10 years ago, I don't see them as often as I used to, but I used to see quite a bit of movement out of the corner of my eye, you know, peripheral vision.
And somebody had said to me, oh, well, they're here for your protection.