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Feb. 20, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Electronic Voice Phenomena - Brendan Cook - Barbara McBeath

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	By the blue cloud walls, near the market stalls, there's a hand in there, she leads you to.
	These days, I feel my sight, just like a river running through, the air of the town.
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	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	It certainly is. In a moment we're going to catch those of you who have joined in this hour
	briefly up on what we've been doing and then we'll proceed with voices from the other side.
	electronic voice well that's what i think they are in less their living
	that's another subject i want to cover with you but electronic voice phenomena it's called and we've got the
	experts here from the ghost investigators society
	on the phone to go straight to my soul SACS.
	I'm telling you.
	Anyway, good morning.
	A whole lot going on.
	Uh, there really is a lot going on, folks.
	I'll start out with my website.
	There is a photograph on my website as of tonight, thanks to Peter Davenport of the UFO Reporting Center, National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.
	Something that occurred at Mount Popo in December, and somebody got a photograph of it.
	A newspaper in Mexico got a photograph of it, and I'll be damned if this is not a craft or a beam of some kind, obviously going straight into the ash plume of Mount Popo.
	I mean, this will blow your mind.
	It certainly blew mine.
	I picked up the phone.
	I called Peter.
	I said, Peter, you've got to let me use that picture.
	He said, well, it's elsewhere on the web.
	You can use it.
	And then we got an enhanceable, larger version.
	Uh, which apparently was scanned from the newspaper itself in Mexico.
	But when you see this, you'll go, good lord, what is this?
	Headed straight into the ash plume.
	It was taken over a 20 second period of time, allegedly.
	20 second exposure by a newspaper person.
	So if you want to see something that'll cause you to scratch your head, it's on my website now.
	Just go to What's New and you'll see Possible UFO at Popo.
	I don't pronounce the whole mountain, because I have a terrible time pronouncing it.
	I played a song by a young lady who sent it to me, who wrote it for me, named Allie Moore, and she sent me a signed autographed picture, and I played a little bit of her song, and your picture's up there.
	And then, the mysterious signal on 3.39.
	Well, it's gone, folks.
	2,000 emails.
	Place it strong in Hawaii and Alaska.
	Heard worldwide, but definitely strongest in Hawaii and Alaska.
	And points north.
	And then finally, the email from Area 51, entitled, Jimmy the Dog is up there.
	I read that last hour.
	It kind of catches you.
	If you go to my website, you'll get caught up.
	And you'll see this photograph.
	This incredible, awesome, mind-blowing photograph.
	of Mount Popo.
	I just, you know, maybe I wasn't around when it broke, but this one blew my mind, and I think it will do that for you as well.
	All right.
	In a moment, we are going to enter the very strange world of electronic voice phenomena.
	EVP.
	I think that's what it's called.
	EVP.
	So, prepare yourself, because what you're going to hear may be from across the veil.
	Over on the other side.
	Such an appropriate sound for this.
	The Ghost Investigators Society, or GIS, was started by Jenny Nielsen, Roger and Barbara McBeath, and Brendan Cook.
	Brendan is a webmaster of the GIS website, which we have a link to right now on my website.
	He's been conducting ghost research and ghost investigations in the field for the last three years.
	Brendan was very skeptical about EVP until he first recorded EVP for himself.
	That was about three and a half years ago.
	His desire to learn how EVP happens has been the driving force in his continuation of conducting ghost research and investigations.
	His goal is to help explain the phenomena of EVP.
	Since Barbara McBeef was a small child and able to read, She has researched and read everything she could get her hands on concerning true, and that's italicized here, true ghost experiences from true ghost stories to case films from ghost researchers in the field, plus her own interviews with those who have experienced ghost phenomena.
	Though she grew up with grandparents who had practiced spiritualism, and she indulged in spiritualism herself until she reached young adulthood, her views have changed over the years, toward the entities that she used to deal with in her seances and the ghosts that linger at locations that they haunt.
	She was raised not to fear the entities who were in her house as a child and she does not fear the ghosts who remain among us.
	She's been researching and investigating for over 30 years.
	Barbara and her husband Roger met Brendan and Jenny about three years ago.
	They realized they all had a serious desire to learn more about ghosts and document their existence.
	Important!
	Documenting their existence.
	Thus GIS was born.
	They believe the GIS website has some of the most astounding EVPs recorded and also shows how our consciousness survives after the body dies.
	Now in preparation for this program They have sent me a CD with, I don't know how many cuts, I think about 30 different cuts that we're going to be playing for you tonight.
	So instead of trying to play them over the phone to get the quality that we need, they provided me with a CD which I have in the machine cocked and ready to go.
	Here, ladies and gentlemen, are my two guests for tonight, Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeef.
	Hi there, you two!
	Hello.
	Good morning, Eric.
	Good morning.
	Am I pronouncing your name correctly, Barbara?
	No.
	It's M-C-B-E-A-T-H.
	It looks like McBeef.
	What should it be?
	McBeth.
	Oh, really?
	It's just like death.
	Just like death.
	Alright, McBeth.
	So, Brennan Cook and Barbara McBeth.
	Good to have you.
	Oh, it's a pleasure being on.
	I have a particular interest in ghosts, as I'm sure you two are aware.
	Yes.
	As a matter of fact, I've got a show coming up this Friday, which I call Ghost to Ghost.
	Cute little name.
	Way on words.
	But what we do is we tell very, very serious ghost stories.
	And I solicit them from the listeners.
	And the sheer number of them, and the seriousness of them, indicates to me That there's something very real about all of this.
	So I'll begin by asking either one of you, or both of you, what is a ghost?
	Well, this is my own philosophy on them.
	But a ghost is the essence or personality of a person who has lived, has had a body, and has died.
	And it has the same likes and dislikes as it did in life.
	And it seems that for a while they maintain their personalities.
	For a while?
	Yes, I think the longer they stay, I think that they forget almost how their personality was in life.
	Isn't that interesting.
	Barbara, is a ghost an entity which is conscious as we understand consciousness, or is a ghost sort of an echo Well, I believe that they are kind of a fragment of their personality.
	I don't think it is a whole personality.
	And I believe that they are not aware of their predicament.
	Meaning they don't know they're dead?
	I believe that some of them don't realize they're dead or they're in denial of their own death.
	That would be a predicament, all right, kind of like the Sixth Sense.
	Yes, I think, you know, if you talk to people that have had the near-death experience, many of them will relate to you that they did not even realize that they were dead until they saw their own body.
	That would be...
	That's where most of the ghost stories come from.
	it all out while we do it on one room to another i do it looking down to your own body
	though all i died her
	but but but but but but but i think a lot of cases that there's like an accidental
	death uh...
	uh...
	a murder and uh... that's where most of the ghost stories come from
	cnf they come from suicides
	they come from uh... unrequited love they come from uh... murders as you said uh... they come from unexpected
	and fast uh... and it would seem like
	whatever it is that's left as you point out
	either doesn't know it's dead or isn't prepared to accept the fact
	it's dead And may we all be happy.
	That seems to be the case to me in the research that I've done.
	And you think that there is some form of continued consciousness, or as you put it, personality that begins to fade the longer the person is dead.
	Yes, I believe so.
	All right, you two, try out this one.
	I had a guest the other night who said that they encountered, they didn't so much believe in ghosts, but they said they encountered the ghost of a living Have you ever heard that before?
	Yes, I have.
	Oh, you have.
	Yes.
	And I believe that such a phenomena takes place, but I cannot explain how.
	There have been many cases of that being reported.
	I've never heard them.
	Until this person mentioned it, I had never heard this before.
	This was a person still living, but you know, in the house where they had been living, the typical ghost reports, you know, the person doing what they had normally done for 30 or 40 years, was continuing.
	Even though this person was alive, living in some new city far away, the pattern established by this person continued.
	You know, the footsteps, the daily routines, that sort of thing.
	Doesn't that worry you a little bit with respect to how you view ghosts?
	No.
	The personnel... Jimmy, it's Jimmy, the Area 51 dog.
	I'm sorry.
	That's quite alright.
	I can't explain that, but I have read documentation on that being the case, but it's almost like Like something is recorded in the atmosphere.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And that recording would appear to be possible for the living as well as the dead.
	And so then how do we distinguish between that, I don't know what you would call it, that living loop that seems to be present sometimes, and that loop that seems to be present after somebody dies.
	I may be asking you really tough questions here.
	I'm sorry.
	That's okay.
	We get tough questions a lot.
	You know, and we can't explain everything.
	Of course not.
	That's why we're documenting and researching what we do come across.
	I know that some hauntings are like residual hauntings.
	It's like something being recorded.
	That we cannot comprehend or understand at this time.
	Kind of like the lady in the white dress who is found walking on the same road and seen by people year after year after year doing the same thing.
	You know, to me, if you were conscious and you were trapped into that as a ghost, that would be a living hell.
	Yes, it would.
	And ghosts are really to be pitied from my viewpoint.
	I think they're very sad.
	I think they're almost, it's kind of tragic how they are stuck.
	Stuck, so in other words, instead of off doing the heavenly boogie somewhere, the non-material heavenly boogie, they're down here stuck repeating something again and again and again.
	Yes, I think so, although I do believe that some of that is residual when it's like replayed or repeated.
	Over and over.
	But I'm hoping in some of the EVPs that are being played tonight, you'll see that these are interacting with us on what we're saying and what we're doing.
	They are consciously aware of us.
	See, I'm not sure I like that.
	And they interact with us.
	Right.
	We invite them to interact with us.
	Well, sometimes we do, and sometimes we're idiots.
	I mean, there are people who get out there fooling around with Ouija boards, and they invite all kinds of terrible things in, right?
	Well, those entities, I believe, are not the same thing as ghosts, even though they're perceived the same.
	What do you think?
	The people who call in something strange from a Ouija board, what is it they're reaching?
	If they're not reaching a ghost, what are they reaching?
	Personal belief is that these entities that come to you when you are holding a seance or playing with a Ouija are natural spirit beings of this world that have never lived, they have never had a body, they will never have a body.
	Like angels, right?
	Well, if you want to...
	Compare them to angels.
	Well, in the sense that angels are said not to have ever lived.
	They're entities.
	Either God's entities or ones cast out by, but they're entities.
	Right.
	And these are the ones you're inviting in a force that you have no control over.
	And by the time you get done playing your little game, they might not be ready to go and leave.
	In other words, you say, game over, put the board away, they might not feel that way.
	That's right.
	And they're through your door.
	Right.
	You've invited them there.
	All right.
	Let's find out.
	Brendan, do you agree with the assessment you just heard, or do you differ in any way with what Barbara said?
	You know, I've got a lot of different theories on ghosts.
	However, I do agree with pretty much everything that Barbara's Talked about.
	I mean, one of the problems you run into in doing what we're doing is everything is theory.
	So you can only theorize so much on what we're recording and what we're seeing.
	But I do believe that, you know, when you talk of a ghost, it is just the essence of somebody who has lived and has died.
	And they do maintain that personality.
	They don't suddenly become a demon that, you know, is trying to be hurtful or spiteful or anything.
	I mean, They just act like they did when they were alive.
	If they were mean in life, they're going to stay that way after death.
	Yeah, I was going to say, if I came back, I might be one mean son of a bitch.
	If I could manifest some red glowing eyes, I might do it just to have fun.
	Having said that, folks, what is electronic voice phenomena?
	Electronic voice phenomena is otherwise known as EVP or, quote, ghost voices.
	It's the process of recording anomalous voices onto electromagnetic tape.
	We in the GIS use microcassette recorders when we're out doing our investigations.
	However, you can use any recorder that has electromagnetic tape in it.
	Alright, I know a little bit about it since I've been in broadcasting all my natural life.
	Obviously, it's possible to sometimes not fully erase a tape.
	And you get some pretty weird sounds that sound like they're sort of halfway out of the ether when you have not properly erased the tape.
	On the other hand, this would not occur with a new tape.
	What kind of precautions do you take so that doesn't happen?
	When we're out recording, we constantly use brand new tapes.
	We, you know, this is something that anyone can do.
	I mean, there's no special equipment needed to do this, but we always I caution people to use brand new tapes because if you don't, that's just one thing that can be rolled out on actually recording a legitimate voice.
	So those tracks that we're going to play tonight have all come from brand new tapes.
	There was nothing previously recorded on the tape.
	Oh, no.
	Everything has been brand new.
	I've got stacks of tapes.
	I'm sure you do.
	So I asked you to pick the top, sort of the top hit list of stuff that you've got.
	And you sent me, what, about 30 tracks, something like that?
	Yeah, yes, we did.
	We actually had 32, I believe.
	A couple of them we couldn't even find to put on the CD.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, that's... I mean, we constantly get new voices.
	We have so many voices that we haven't even had a chance to post on the website yet.
	I have probably hundreds of tapes that I still have to listen to to see if I do have a voice.
	So it's a cacophony of voices from the other side just waiting to jump onto our tapes, huh?
	I don't like that idea.
	I don't.
	All right, you two hold on.
	Sitting out there, waiting to say something that somebody might pick up on a tape from the other side of the veil.
	Well, I don't know.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Thanks for watching.
	For more information, visit www.coasttocoast.com.
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	To reach out on the toll-free international line, call your AT&T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
	Well, Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth of the Ghost Investigators Society are here, and with them they have brought electronic voice phenomena.
	What you hear, they say, comes from the other side, and we're about to get into that with them.
	And play you some pretty chilling little clips.
	However, one more time, let me remind you, we've got a whiz-banger of a photograph on the website right now.
	Thank you, Peter Davenport.
	It's a UFO flying right into Popo, the mountain in Mexico.
	It was taken by a photographer, allegedly in Mexico, for a newspaper down there.
	As a matter of fact, we've got a scan of the newspaper photograph.
	It's gonna blow your mind!
	It's under the What's New section on the website.
	Photograph of singer Allie Moore who sang a song for me that I thought was very nice.
	More on the 3.39 now missing mysterious signal that came from up north somewhere.
	And a letter about Jimmy the dog from Area 51.
	All of that on the website right now at www.artbell.com.
	Also a link to Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth and the Ghost Investigators Society.
	That's there for your perusal as well.
	It's usually just this kind of night, isn't it?
	When you might go hunting for a ghost.
	Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth, welcome back you two.
	Thank you.
	Might I ask how you get these recordings?
	In other words, obviously you take a tape recorder out with a microphone active, correct?
	Is there a mic connected to the recorder or not?
	Yeah, we do use an external mic.
	Just simply so it cuts down on the motor noise in the background.
	That makes it generally a lot clearer.
	Alright.
	And so you lay down a tape recorder and a microphone, for example, on a table.
	I would take it at a place where there's been known, perhaps somebody has had an experience with a ghost, or do you go to certain places to do it, or can you do this anywhere?
	Well, actually, first of all, we actually carry the microcassette recorder with us.
	We carry it around with us everywhere.
	All right.
	We attach the external mic normally on our shoulder, kind of behind the head, you know, so we don't make any noises into it through our mouth.
	We do it, you know, anywhere that somebody has called us and told us, reported a ghost, you know, phenomena.
	Just places that we think may be haunted.
	I mean, you can do it pretty much anywhere that you think might be a ghost.
	If we hear of activity taking place at a location, we'll go and ask permission from either the property owner or the manager of a business and ask them if we can conduct an investigation.
	A couple of times we've been turned down, but the majority of times they'll let us do it.
	All right.
	I did not receive a list, even though I've got 30 tracks, I guess.
	I didn't receive a list of all of them.
	I've got something from track 8 to track 28.
	Uh, so, tell me where we're beginning here with Track 1.
	Alright, uh, Track 1 is, it was recorded in an old historic railroad station here in Utah.
	Uh, it's actually, it's been turned into a museum now.
	Oh?
	And, uh, we've gotten some really great voices out of this station.
	Uh, this one, however, was recorded by GIS member Barry.
	And it was in the upstairs.
	It's an art gallery now.
	And we've recorded a voice earlier that said the name Michelle.
	Now, he recorded this voice that says the name Michael.
	Michael, huh?
	Alright, let me play that.
	Let's see what we've got here.
	Now I'm not... Is that what the voice was saying?
	Michael?
	Yeah.
	From us listening to it, it sounds a little bit distorted just from us transferring it off the tape into WAV files and then putting it onto the CD.
	Alright, let me hear it again.
	Pretty weird, isn't it?
	And you're telling me that came off an empty tape?
	Yes, it did.
	We always use brand new tape.
	It gets very expensive.
	Pretty weird stuff.
	That has a kind of a weird... It has a weird sound to it, like it's a... It's coming through some dimension, or it's coming through some... Listen again.
	No, wait a minute.
	That isn't it.
	That's the next one we're going to play.
	I've got to hear this again, because it's got some sort of quality to it.
	I can't put my finger on it.
	Now that's really weird.
	And you know with these voices you gotta, I mean you gotta keep in mind they don't have the physical means that we do to produce sound.
	As in voice box?
	Yeah, they don't have the vocal cords, so you know there's a bunch of theories on how they produce this.
	One theory is using the electromagnetic field, one theory is they're using certain sound vibrations created by other objects, even people's voices, they're using those vibrations to create their own voice.
	And that's a lot of why they sound really syllabelic when they talk.
	They sound really distorted.
	So, there's no Ross Mitchells on the other side.
	In other words, we're all leveled on the other side.
	I also think that it's a quality, an ability that they learn.
	Alright, this will be interesting because one thing I want to learn from all of this is whether the audience has heard any of these sounds we get so many ghost stories and i wonder if anything that we play tonight is going to resonate with any of the audience who will say oh my god i've heard that before or something you know some like it this is uh... most of these voices uh... that we record we don't hear them at the time we record them uh... when we're out on an investigation uh...
	I always ask them, the ghosts, to interact with us and join in our conversation.
	There are times when we go out on an investigation and we get no voices, but when we do, that's one of the most exciting things to me.
	What percentage of the time do you get an answer?
	Just a rough guess.
	At least 50% of the time.
	Oh, that's a lot of the time.
	It is.
	And I think a lot of it is in our approach.
	We are very respectful of the places that we go.
	You would not join in somebody's conversation if you weren't invited.
	The majority of people won't.
	That's true.
	We always ask If there is anyone there that would like to talk with us or join in our conversation, we always invite them to talk with us.
	All right, you two, track two.
	What are we going to hear?
	This was recorded in an old historic hotel that has had a lot of activity take place.
	A lot of the clients that stay there and staff have had ghost experiences there.
	And, uh, we were conducting an investigation in the hotel, and I was gonna take a break and step outside.
	We had been in there for a couple of hours, and I recorded this voice responding, uh, we're all down here.
	We're all down here is what it says?
	Yes.
	Okay, let's see.
	Ha ha ha.
	Indeed, it does appear to be saying, We're all down here.
	Listen, everybody, one more time.
	We're all down here.
	And that's coming off an empty tape.
	That would freak me out.
	That would definitely, absolutely freak me out.
	We're all down here.
	By the way, what is down here?
	We were down in the basement.
	I could have other more sinister connotations. By the way, I've got one that I want you all to hear.
	The end.
	This is a recording that alleges to be from the deepest hole ever drilled in the ground in Siberia.
	It alleges to be the voices from hell.
	We'll discuss hell a little bit, but just take a quick listen to this.
	This was recorded, allegedly, by scientists who had drilled a hole in Siberia And then lowered microphones into the hole.
	We have the whole newspaper story up on the website, but listen to this.
	This is horrible, actually.
	Oh, my God!
	Well, there's a little electronic voice phenomenon for you.
	What do you think of that recording?
	Uh, you know, I've heard that once before and I can't remember, I believe it was from your show.
	Uh-huh, no doubt.
	It was a while ago when you played it.
	That's right, years, maybe a year ago, two years ago, I don't know.
	Yeah, it may have been.
	And I did, a while ago, I took that and ran it through the same voice graph that we use to do the DVPs with.
	Uh-huh.
	And it's extremely interesting looking.
	You get some interesting peeks and stuff in it.
	Well, it has a different sort of ring to, we're all down here.
	We're all down here.
	And so then did you go to the basement?
	We were conducting the investigation in the basement at the time when I said I'm going to go upstairs and take a break.
	I see.
	And I recorded that voice responding.
	It's always the basement.
	In any kind of movie, it's always the basement.
	And it's always a girl in a low-cut dress going straight down to the basement.
	Well, this place has a lot of activity on many of the floors of the hotel.
	I think it's about 11 stories.
	It was built in the late 1800s.
	It's been named several different names throughout the years.
	They, it's quite a historic hotel and they've had a lot of ghost activity take place in it.
	Out of curiosity, how do hotels feel about that?
	You would think, I notice you haven't named it yet, I would think hotels would not be too crazy about having this kind of research go on within their walls.
	You know, actually, the owner of this hotel has been really good to letting us in there.
	In fact, he's, you know, asked us to come in there.
	Anytime we want to go in there, he's great with it.
	I think he's just looking at more advertisement for the hotel.
	Oh, that's really going to get me to just run right over there and get a room.
	Well, there are a lot of people that go to places that have ghost activity in hopes of having an experience themselves.
	Well, I suppose there would be that.
	For some reason, we like to be scared.
	Don't we?
	Have you ever thought about that?
	Why we enjoy scaring the you-know-what out of ourselves?
	Well, I think that a lot of it is the unknown.
	I do think that fear, we do get thrilled of having a fear element, you know, take place.
	But there's ghost activity.
	When people usually have ghost activity, it's not something that they're looking for.
	And a lot of people When they do have a ghost experience, it scares them, because most of the time they can't rationalize what happened, what they experienced.
	That's right.
	It defies logical explanation, and it's something that takes them by surprise, and they're shocked, and they get worried about it.
	Alright, clip three, again coming from an empty tape, is what, folks?
	Well, this clip actually is one of my favorite voices that we've recorded.
	We recorded this in northern Utah.
	It was an abandoned military hospital.
	I've heard that it was a mental hospital for military personnel.
	I've heard a bunch of different things on why people were there in the hospital.
	It was recorded by one of the people who goes out with us named Zane.
	He was looking for Barbara at the time.
	Barbara apparently had left the building to go get some more equipment.
	And this voice comes in saying you little murdering tramps.
	What?
	Really?
	Alright.
	He actually sounds quite psychotic if you listen to it.
	Alright, that's what we're going to do right now.
	Here we go.
	Little murdering tramps.
	Little murdering tr That's quite scary.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	That's not... I don't like that one.
	One more time, folks, listen to this.
	This is Barron Martin again.
	This is recorded from an empty... onto an empty tape.
	Oh, I don't like that one at all.
	Who do you think they were referring to?
	You know, I have no idea.
	He might have been extremely upset that we were even in the building in the first place.
	And this building was just... I mean, it was creepy in there.
	I mean, I was worried about getting a tetanus shot from it.
	I mean, people have broken into it, vandalized, there's broken glass and metal all over the place, so... In fact, it was interesting, in this one room in this building, there was big letters writing on the wall, uh... He who enters this room will die by the master Satan, and...
	And you went in?
	Well, yeah.
	People lost your mind?
	If there was a sign up there on a room like that, I would not... What was the sign that said, what again?
	It was in big letters on the wall that said that he who enters this room will die by the hands of the Master Satan.
	You guys, you must be really fearless.
	That's all I can say.
	The Master Satan, great.
	Alright, we've got time for another.
	Track number four, what's coming up?
	This was recorded as we were driving into a cemetery that we go to quite often.
	We were told about this place by a sheriff of the town that the cemetery is located in.
	And we usually go to the north end of the cemetery, and on this particular night... Why the north end?
	Just out of habit, no particular reason.
	On this particular night, we turned and went the south way.
	And as soon as we enter into a cemetery or anything that we're going to investigate, I turned on my tape recorder because I've learned over the years that they get right in the vehicle with us as we're driving in.
	Oh, great.
	So one would presume, then, that whether you have a recorder with you or not, that people are getting in with you when you drive into a cemetery, right?
	It's obvious to me that they do, just from the recordings we've gotten.
	And, uh, this one... Alright, this came from a cemetery, folks, here we go.
	What is that saying?
	It says, go to your own place.
	Go to your own place, really?
	And I think that it's referring to go to the other end of the cemetery where we usually go.
	but wait a minute let me hear this again uh...
	well it's going to take all the joy out of going to a cemetery
	and You know, I once, in Kansas, had the opportunity to go and walk upon the graves of the Daltons.
	You know the Daltons?
	The famous Daltons?
	Yeah.
	Old Wild West Daltons.
	I wonder what they said to me.
	You'll have to bring your tape recorder next time.
	All right.
	We have yet time for one more.
	This will be clip number five.
	What's coming up?
	All right.
	This one, we have been called to do an investigation by Fox.
	They wanted us to investigate Fort Douglas, which is a military camp here in Salt Lake.
	You mean the Fox TV network?
	Yes.
	And, uh, so we're in there, we're doing our investigation, and in this clip you'll hear a young child's voice, and you can tell it's a child.
	Uh, he says, it's dark in here.
	So what's interesting is the lights had just been turned on at the time he says this.
	It's dark in here.
	Alright, let's see what we've got.
	Oh yeah.
	Oh, that was obviously a child saying, very clearly saying, it's dark in here.
	Yes, and there was no children.
	This was like five in the morning.
	This building that's now a museum used to be a barracks.
	Oh, brother.
	It's dark in here.
	Why would a child, after death, You know, I guess it goes to the nature of what a lot of people think about God, but why would a child be subjected to something that would be scary for it?
	I'm sure you don't have the answers to this, but these are the questions that I ask as I listen to something like that.
	Well, you know, what's interesting with these voices is a lot of the voices we record are children, and it just surprises us when we listen to them.
	All right.
	Listen, you two, we're coming toward the top of the hour.
	Stay right where you are, and we'll be right back to you.
	Electronic voice phenomena.
	My guests will be with us next hour, Brennan Cook and Barbara McBeth.
	And... That's enough to get you to get up and turn on the lights, huh?
	A child's voice.
	It's dark in here.
	We're doing electronic voice phenomena tonight, and again, if you're curious, these have all been recorded on empty tapes.
	So there's no chance that what you're hearing was some sort of pre-recorded thing that leaked through.
	Brand new tapes.
	So what do you think it is you're hearing?
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	I am a man of my word.
	I am a man of my word.
	I interviewed him.
	Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth are here at the Ghost Investigators Society with Electronic Voice Phenomena, and let me tell you, it's pretty creepy stuff.
	So, I'll issue my standard warning after just hearing the first few.
	If this kind of stuff creeps you out, you might not want to listen.
	If it scares you, gives you chest pain, any other little problems that you might have when you listen to stuff like this, then you're going to want to tune out.
	Otherwise, the two, or is it more, we'll be back in a moment.
	Oh, what an appropriate sound.
	What an appropriate sound for the Ghost Investigators Society.
	Back to Brennan Cook and Barbara McBeth, you're back on, folks.
	And we only made it through five in the last hour, so I guess we're probably going to have to step up the pace here a little bit, but those are so freaky.
	That's one of my favorite things about investigations is when they talk to us.
	I love it when they talk to us.
	Why do you love that?
	Because most of the time they're interacting with what we're doing and what we're saying.
	I think that's a really interesting aspect of this.
	do you believe uh... the two of you just one quick question and we'll dive back
	into this do you believe that uh...
	if somebody is a miserable son some of the kitchen life that they'll be that in-depth or or do they suddenly
	become all warm and fuzzy when they get on the That's basically what a ghost is.
	other hand if a person is a saint in this life and i've known a few
	interviewed a few uh... are they likely to be saintly on the other side
	you i'd believe very they stay the same as they were in life
	uh... that's basically what it goes to the keep the same personality as the person did in life
	so when they pass on they're gonna act exactly the same So if they were extremely mean, you know, say like you get a Jeffrey Dahmer or something out there, that's how they're going to be in death.
	That's not mean, that's evil.
	Well, it is.
	And you know, there's people in life that you avoid.
	Yes, there are.
	All right, listen.
	You can't see them changing after they die.
	I understand.
	And that's why we're probably hearing both We're in that same cemetery.
	We've recorded many voices in there.
	On this particular one, me and my husband had stopped and grabbed a hamburger.
	I had said that I was going to throw the garbage away in a garbage can that was in there.
	I said to my husband, let me go and throw this garbage away, and I recorded this voice near Mark Wood.
	And I've looked on the Headstone since I recorded this voice trying to find this name, and there's a lot of Woods, you know, the last name Wood, but I can't find the name of Mark, so I don't know what this was referring to.
	And so what is the voice going to say?
	Near Mark Wood.
	Near Mark Wood.
	Alright, here we go.
	Near Mark Wood.
	Near Mark Wood.
	Is that what it said?
	Yes.
	That's what it sounded like.
	Near Mark Wood.
	And so you tried to find Mark Wood.
	Yes, I've looked on every headstone.
	There's a lot of woods buried there, but I can't find the name Mark.
	So somebody was leading you to that for a reason, weren't they?
	I don't know.
	I really don't know.
	Would you want to know?
	Yes, I would like to know.
	You guys have guts.
	I mean, now, again, these are recorded on blank audio tapes.
	If I heard something like this come off a blank audio tape, I wouldn't be the same for a year.
	Well, we've never been hurt or threatened.
	Well, how about that one we played a little while ago?
	That sounded kind of threatening.
	Well, he was just calling us the name.
	Sticks and stones, huh?
	And headstones.
	All right, track number seven.
	What have we got here?
	Well, this voice, this is kind of an interesting one.
	We record this in a bookstore here called the Thought Continuum, and it's a lady's voice saying, is anybody here?
	But what's interesting is if you were to go onto our website and download this, and say you download it with Media Player, If you hit the reverse button, it's interesting what comes up.
	Forwards, it says, is anybody here?
	Mm-hmm.
	And then in reverse, what does it say?
	It says, you know you can hear us.
	Oh, fuck, God.
	All right, here we go.
	That one's not as clear to me.
	It's not.
	This one's actually extremely syllabelic.
	I mean, it talks really syllabelically.
	But it's obviously a voice.
	There is no question about the fact that it's a voice where there should be nothing but a soft hiss.
	Oh yeah.
	Or with Dolby, no hiss at all.
	That's right.
	Alright, number eight.
	This one was recorded on that investigation with Fox at Fort Douglas and the curator had taken me down in the basement where they store a lot of their museum pieces and it was just me and him down there and I had asked I think I had asked, will you talk to me?
	And it's a woman's voice that responds yes.
	And I was really excited when I heard this voice when I was re-listening to my tape because I was expecting to get a man's voice but not a woman's there.
	And I called the curator and told him that I had recorded a woman's voice when we had first gone down into the basement.
	And he said, you know, that's really interesting.
	He said, because about three weeks ago, I just found out that there were women and children that lived here when the fort was first established.
	They called the women laundresses.
	And they were kept down in the basement because they were safer being in the basement than walking around on the fort grounds.
	So you ask, will you talk to me?
	Yes.
	And then you get a response.
	Yes.
	Here we go.
	Okay, so in the repeats you just put the yes.
	I could hear you asking.
	Let's do it again.
	No, no, no, no.
	That's the next one.
	Sorry about that.
	Where were we?
	Number eight?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Let's try it one more time.
	Here we go.
	So you got an immediate yes.
	Yes.
	I was really thrilled that the woman's voice really shocked me.
	I was expecting to get a man's, but not a woman's.
	So then what?
	Well, like I said, I called the curator and said, you know, I recorded a woman's voice.
	And that's when he told me about the laundresses that were there on the forest grounds.
	That would be women who do laundry?
	It was the wives of the soldiers.
	They weren't supposed to be there, but They were there.
	So they might be there eternally doing laundry.
	Who knows why they're there?
	There are family members of the soldiers in the cemetery that are buried there on the fort grounds in the military fort cemetery.
	All right, number nine.
	This one was recorded in the cemetery.
	We get a majority of these voices.
	You all spend a lot of time in cemeteries, don't you?
	Yeah, we do, and we get a lot of results out of them.
	Okay, but I understand you go where you get the results, but, you know, it pains me to think that when I die, I'm going to be hanging around my headstone if I'm buried.
	And that is essentially what we're saying here, isn't it?
	Well, you know, it goes to a theory, and I can't remember who brought up this theory, You tend to stay by your body if you end up becoming an earthbound spirit, whereas, you know, a ghost, you just stay where your body is at, or you at least return to where your body is at.
	Great.
	Alright, so we're in a cemetery, and this says what?
	This one is just interesting.
	Barbara's husband, Roger, was looking for the bug spray.
	It was in the summers, so there was a lot of bugs.
	He was looking for the bug spray and his drink, and he was motioning to Barbara for it.
	And this voice says, Roger, back near the car, and kinda giggles at the end.
	And let's hear it.
	Oh, man.
	Oh, that really, that just creeps me out.
	And it's the quality of the audio that is creeping me out.
	My God, that's awful!
	What do you all think causes that warbling... I'm not exactly sure what to call that sound that we're hearing.
	There's a lot of, especially in that one, there's a lot of the clicking and the popping, You know, the background noise, I think it's just from being transferred from, you know, tape to digital and then onto the CD.
	Well, digital to CD shouldn't cause any erosion of the original.
	Okay.
	And, you know, it may just be from the tape, too.
	I don't know.
	I mean, we noticed that in a lot of the voices.
	There's a lot of weird sound to the voice.
	It's kind of like a Doppler effect.
	Yes, it is.
	It's like having a hard time coming through our atmosphere, like how you yell underwater.
	That's right.
	There you go.
	Just kind of like underwater.
	Yeah, kind of like underwater.
	That's pretty close.
	All right, number 10.
	Number 10, we were in that same cemetery.
	We had witnessed a ghost light visually.
	We had seen a ghost light in the cemetery on three different occasions and we were talking about it on this particular night.
	What kind of light out of curiosity?
	It was the size of a baseball almost when it first started and as it came down the road it got smaller and smaller and it was passing by us and We asked it to please come over to us and it stopped and came over to us.
	It would blink out and on.
	We don't have self-illuminating insects here.
	It's very dry.
	So this was like an orb?
	Yes, but it got very small.
	It shrank down to a very small size.
	When it came between me and Brendan, it was very intense white with uh...
	orange and blue and i don't think i have an electrical and the thing will be clean you
	yet in a cemetery packet landed on brendan back at work it'll have a lot of that
	Yeah, well, what was interesting is I got down on my stomach to take a picture of this thing.
	Have you two lost your minds?
	Well, this is what we do.
	I mean, this is what we're looking for.
	I guess I understand.
	But I got down to take a picture of it, and I didn't see it for a while, and everyone was behind me, and they just suddenly, it's on your back!
	It's on your back.
	Yeah, and as I got up, I saw it blink out of the corner of my eye and snap a picture of it.
	We do have the picture posted on the website.
	So if they want to see the picture of this, it's on your website, which we have a link to.
	Anyway, we were talking about this experience, and I recorded this voice, a woman's voice, that said, I've been, and I don't know if she's referring to the ghost flight, because that's what we were talking about.
	I don't believe that she was saying who it was that we saw.
	Either that or the orb was going to do a crazy Ivan.
	I don't know if you've ever heard of it.
	Alright, here it comes.
	Now I don't hear it saying Ivan.
	Is that what that said?
	It could be Ivan, but I think I hear the B sound, Ivan.
	I'm not hearing Ivan in that.
	Let me try it again.
	I'm not sure what I'm hearing there.
	It's obviously a voice, but I'm not sure what it's saying, and I'm not sure it's saying Ivan.
	Okay, number 11.
	Alright, this one I'm sure you could guess where this one was recorded.
	It's the same place as the last few voices.
	Cemetery.
	Well, what's interesting about this one, this is only looped once, so it's a good seven second clip.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	It's interesting because you hear us talking in the background and this whistling comes in.
	And just starts, I don't know if you hear it in this clip or not, but it starts from far away and just gets louder as it gets closer and then just passes us.
	So the whistling ghost, we'll call it.
	Yeah, looks like somebody's strolling by, uh, whistling, and what's interesting, too, is I'm the only one that recorded this.
	There was other recorders going at the time, and I'm the only one that recorded this.
	Oh, now that is interesting.
	All right, here we go.
	the whistling goes.
	Ugh.
	Oh yes, that was too clear.
	Uh, I heard the I don't know if I'd call it a whistle.
	I heard the noise increasing in volume and obviously getting closer to you.
	Are you two ever in fear?
	I mean, how can you hear this stuff and occasionally not... You must be freaked out occasionally.
	No, I have a tendency to be more afraid of the living than the dead.
	Really?
	Yes.
	I worry about our safety when we go to certain locations from The elements, you know, just from the location of the places that we go.
	Are there people that don't like what you do?
	Yes, and a lot of people don't believe what we do.
	You know, I mean, but we aren't selling anything.
	I really don't care if anybody believes it or not.
	Oh, I hear you.
	You know, we aren't selling a thing.
	We're doing research and this is the result of the things that we document at the time.
	Well, there are a lot of religious beliefs that suggest once you're dead, you're dead.
	There's no communication, there's no anything, there's no piercing the veil, or coming across, or pictures that wink at you, or voices that talk at you, or anything else.
	You're dead.
	And those people would be angry, wouldn't they?
	Well, you know what's interesting is in the fifties, there was two priests that Came across electronic voice phenomena.
	Oh?
	And the Vatican has actually, since then, had people researching this phenomena.
	Really?
	And as far as I know, still to this day, are researching it.
	So the Vatican's looking into this?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, they are.
	In fact, the Pope at the time, and I cannot remember his name, was completely aware of it.
	Okay.
	Number 12.
	This one, we were doing a restaurant.
	It used to be a very large, beautiful log cabin up in one of the canyons of Utah, and it's since been turned into a restaurant.
	And we were conducting an investigation there, and I had asked, is there anything that you need?
	And I recorded this voice that said, two of us.
	Two of us?
	Do you have any idea what that meant?
	Not unless it was just referring that there's more than the one.
	Alright, here we go.
	It's supposed to be saying two of us.
	Is there something you need?
	Two of us.
	Oh yeah.
	Two of us.
	Is there something you need?
	Two of us.
	I wonder what that might mean.
	How many times, when you get something like this, how many times Is it unclear what's trying to be said from the other side?
	Is it most times, or do you suddenly sometimes go, wow, look at that headstone, obviously that's where it came from?
	You know, a lot of the times it is unclear.
	I mean, it's something that we just listen to over and over and over again, and finally, you know, among the group we come to a common medium of what we think is being said at the time.
	Uh, but there are times when it's just, I mean, completely clearer, and sometimes they're louder than we are, and clearer than we are.
	Okay, you two, hold it right there.
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	Well, Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth rush in where I definitely wouldn't tread.
	Not after the first couple of recordings.
	Are you listening to this?
	They are the Ghost Investigators Society, or at least part of it.
	And they do these recordings on empty audio tapes at interesting places like whole cemeteries and places like that.
	We'll get right back to it.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Let's turn on that recorder.
	All right, once again, here they are, where angels fear to tread.
	Actually, angels may tread upon some of the same territory they do.
	Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth from the Ghost Investigators Society.
	How many people are in your society, by the way?
	Well, the society is only five people.
	I mean, it's me and Barbara, Jenny and her husband, and one other member, Barry.
	How about if you count all the voices?
	I don't know if I'd count them as members of the society, but they definitely help out.
	All right.
	We're up to number 13, and we're not going as fast as I had hoped.
	We have 30 cuts.
	So, number 13, folks.
	All right.
	This one, me and Barbara's husband, Roger, were in this cemetery, the same cemetery.
	And, uh, me and him were walking down this road, and in this clip, you're gonna hear Roger say he's just walking around.
	And then right after that, you hear a voice say, Take care of Brendan.
	Take care of Brendan?
	Really?
	Alright, here it comes.
	Take care of Brendan.
	Take care of Brendan.
	Absolutely.
	Clearly says, take care of Brendan.
	What did you think that meant, Brendan?
	You know, the only thing I could think of was maybe I smoked too much.
	That's about it.
	Did you take that to heart as a warning and quit?
	No, actually.
	I haven't, but I mean, it definitely did make me think.
	Me either, Brendan.
	See you on the other side.
	Alright, number 14.
	This one was recorded by Jenny.
	Brendan had asked my husband, Roger, to go down the road with him.
	And Roger was joking around and says, do I have to kick some spiritual butt?
	This voice responded and said, yeah, come on, let's go, Rog.
	Oh, really?
	All right, let's hear this.
	Here we go.
	Yeah, let's go.
	Let's rock.
	Let's have at it.
	How do you get into a fight with the spirit?
	I don't know.
	I think this guy was ready to kick some butt.
	I think it's neat how their personalities come through.
	I mean, every one of them have a definite personality.
	You really are making a very good point.
	The strength of the personalities coming through.
	Some in screams, some in whispers, some in threats, in all different manners.
	That's a very good point.
	Very good point.
	And remember, folks, recorded on empty audio tape.
	So this is no mistake of crosstalk or something not quite erased or any of the rest of it.
	This is voices that are appearing on tapes from nowhere, at least nowhere that we know about.
	All right, number 15.
	This one is really interesting because it's one that's directed right towards what we're talking about.
	Barbara had recorded a voice And we were all sitting around her.
	She was playing this voice for us, and we were trying to figure out what this voice said.
	And this man's voice comes in, and he says, it says Arthur.
	Oh.
	It says Arthur?
	Uh-huh.
	Oh, you threw this one in for me, didn't you?
	We thought you'd appreciate this.
	Yeah, right.
	Oh, let's hear it.
	It says Arthur.
	Oh, God.
	It says Arthur.
	Well, clearly, yes, Arthur was what was said.
	Yikes.
	And you can kind of hear his frustration is trying to tell us what it says.
	Frustration would also be something that somehow you wouldn't expect on the other side, indicating that the other side is not all that different than this side in producing the kinds of emotions that are flowing from it.
	That's right.
	Wow.
	All right, number 16.
	This was recorded by Barry, and it was in a old theater that we recorded several odd things in this place.
	They call their ghost George, but this is a German language, and I've been told by a couple of different people One guy told us that it, uh, I have no idea what it's saying, but one guy said that it was the national German.
	It wasn't a dialect of German or anything.
	It was the original natural German language and it's talking about freedom.
	Uh, so what we're going to hear is in German, so we're not going to understand it, right?
	No.
	Uh, the first part of this voice, uh, is the original recording straight from the tape recorder.
	Uh huh.
	Uh, so it's extremely soft and there's a lot of background noise in it.
	The second two parts of this voice have been cleaned up and amplified by 10 decibels.
	All right, here we go.
	Well, of course, I can't understand exactly what's being said.
	Maybe somebody who speaks German could.
	Yes, we have no idea what it is.
	All right.
	And it sounds like German.
	Certainly was a voice, though.
	Yes.
	All right.
	All right.
	Number 17.
	Uh, this one was recorded by Barbara in front of a mausoleum that we go to.
	Mausoleum?
	Yeah.
	It's another place besides from the graveyard that we... Well, sure, why not have a little variety of mausoleum every now and then?
	But, uh, and this one's extremely clear.
	Uh, it's one of the best, clearest, loudest voices we have.
	Uh, everybody had walked inside of the mausoleum and Barbara was still outside.
	And this voice just says, hello, I'll come back.
	Hello, I'll come back?
	Uh-huh.
	Almost like he was greeting us, and then he reminded me of a PR guy.
	All right, let's hear it.
	Hello, I'll come back.
	Oh, God, you're right.
	That's too clear.
	Uh... Oh, gee, a mausoleum.
	Uh... When you get something like this, particularly something with this clarity, Do you attempt to follow it up?
	Do you attempt to get more conversation?
	Yes.
	In fact, every time I go back there, where I recorded this, I'll go to that location and ask him, will you come back?
	But I haven't recorded him since.
	Well, maybe he's back.
	He doesn't need to say it anymore.
	Number 18 coming up.
	This one, a truck had pulled into a cemetery and had just sat there for quite a while, and I think on the beginning of this, you'll hear me say what's his license number.
	And this, he was really too far away for us to see, but I recorded this voice.
	It either says 59 or 19.
	Meaning trying to get part of the license plate?
	Right.
	Alright, let's see if we can hear what it says.
	This is live 6, this is Houston.
	Sounds like 5-9 to me.
	That's what I, I think it sounds like 5-9.
	Others in the group says that they think it could be saying 1-9.
	Well, either way, that's contemporary information and That's something I've been working on for a while here in my mind.
	In other words, if a ghost is just a loop, a big playback loop, then you wouldn't expect to get any contemporary information.
	But what I'm hearing tonight is full of contemporary information.
	Yes, they're astounding.
	They really are astounding.
	I mean, we sit here playing these, but you've got to realize, folks, these are coming out of nothing, out of the air, out of The other side, wherever it is.
	And they are definitely interacting with us.
	All right, number 19.
	Number 19, this one's interesting.
	This goes back to what we mentioned earlier, that we get a lot of children's voices.
	Oh, yes.
	This one was recorded by Barbara, and it's, I mean, just almost a sad voice.
	It's a child saying, got some candy.
	Oh, really?
	And what's interesting is we do bring candy and stuff like that, because we've noticed how many children we get.
	So even though we know they can't smell it or taste it, but they can at least know what it is and use their memory, assuming they still have it.
	And we leave it for them.
	And you leave it for them?
	Yes.
	Let's see if we can hear this.
	this.
	Now that sounded like something else to me.
	I believe it says, got some candy.
	I'm not sure I hear that.
	Let me try that one again.
	Boy, there's no question I'm hearing something, but I'm not sure I'm hearing the same thing you are.
	But this, I guess it's all, some of the ones that are not as clear are somewhat subjective.
	No question about it.
	Right, you know, there are some of the voices, people hear different things.
	The case is that there is a voice that shouldn't be there.
	Oh, no question about that.
	No question about that.
	Number 20.
	This one.
	We were in the one cemetery and me and my husband were in our convertible and the cemetery had its sprinkler system on and I was worried about it being an automatic sprinkler and You'll hear me say, I don't know where it's gonna be watering next.
	Right.
	And this voice says right here.
	Right here?
	Uh-huh.
	Oh, really?
	Okay, let's hear this.
	I just don't know when it's gonna be watering next.
	Uh...
	Y'all are out of your minds.
	Interesting thing is that the whole time we were there it never did water right there.
	Really?
	Do you ever get warnings that do come true or messages that do manifest themselves in some way so that you know you were told something ahead of time?
	We do.
	Like the one that we just played, Track 9, which is Roger back near the car.
	Right.
	I mean, that's where his bug spray and drink was, was sitting on the bumper of their car.
	So a helpful little spirit.
	Well, yeah.
	And I mean, that goes back to the interaction that, you know, they can at least understand what we're saying.
	They are aware of us.
	I know that you're not going to be able to answer this, but what percentage of spirits from those who have passed on Do you think linger?
	Any idea?
	I wouldn't even venture to guess.
	I don't believe everybody stays as a ghost.
	So there are some who proceed on to where they're supposed to go, whatever that is, wherever.
	Well, I believe there's actually quite a few that do.
	I mean, I don't think... I know it's definitely not the majority of the people that pass on stay as ghosts.
	Good.
	Alright, number 21.
	Number 21.
	This one's kind of interesting.
	Roger, Barbara's husband, was referring to a voice that we picked up earlier.
	The Ibanez voice that we had played earlier.
	Yes.
	And this voice comes in and says, Marco Polo.
	And I think he was joking around.
	Marco Polo, huh?
	Alright, let's see if we can hear it.
	Oh yeah.
	Very clear.
	Too clear.
	Marco Polo.
	And you think that was a joke?
	Yeah, I think he was being sarcastic.
	You've almost, you know, as we've gone through these, we've almost gone through every range of emotion you can imagine in voices from the other side.
	That's right, and you can clearly hear it.
	And yet you still feel that as time presses on for any spirit of a dead person, the personality begins to disintegrate or change, do you think?
	Well, you know, I think as they pass on, as time passes, I think they become, they almost, I'm not even sure how to say this, I mean, they realize more, they have a wider perception of things that we as humans, you know, and being alive can't possibly understand.
	And I think that's what changes their personality.
	They grow.
	Yeah.
	They begin to discover something that we wouldn't even relate to.
	Yeah.
	We're so limited in our physical presence, you know, and it's hard for a lot of people to even think of not having a physical sense, you know, or it's more mind and, you know, mental.
	You know how important this is to some people?
	I mean, so many people have lost relatives and lost loved ones.
	And they have an intense curiosity about what has become of them.
	That this means a very great deal to a lot of people, you know that.
	Yes, in fact, we had one guy run into our website, and I believe, Barbara, you had talked to him, who was just, I guess his mom had passed away, and he was worried because his house started, things started happening in his house, haunting activity, and he had talked to his friend about it, And he, his friend, had said that it was his mom and she had become a demon.
	That she was there to hurt him.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, so he had written to us and he just seemed frantic about it.
	And Barbara had told him, you know, just because she's passed away, there's just something that she's left unfinished.
	Or it might be concern, love, out of, you know, for her family, you know, their welfare, making sure that they're okay, that they're okay after she's passed.
	Alright, I don't wish to be morbid, but I think this is an important question.
	Do you all notice that you're able to get more EVP when you go to a cemetery and to an area where there are recently dead and buried people versus going to a cemetery where people died in the 1800s, the early 1900s?
	hundreds nearly nineteen hundreds
	have you noticed any difference you know uh...
	me personally i've been diagnosed a difference with the newer cemeteries
	that we do get more activity and i don't know if that's maybe
	because there's more energy whether it's emotional energy from the person passing
	yes uh... from the family members that were just recently there
	I mean, that's just my own personal theory, but I do notice that the newer places we go to that have newer arrivals, we'll say, We do get heightened activity.
	Do you agree with that, Barbara?
	I don't know because we've gone to some cemeteries that are old pioneer cemeteries.
	The location where the cemetery is is very small.
	They don't have that many burials just because of the size of the town.
	We have gotten, to me, just as much interaction as what we have in the newer places.
	Do you encounter, at times, the living in the cemeteries?
	In other words, people coming to visit the graves of people that you're trying to get electronic voice phenomena from?
	Are you ever challenged?
	We're never challenged, although we do occasionally encounter People who are coming to visit, you know, relatives that they have in the graves.
	The voice that we played that said 5-9, referring to the license plate number?
	Right.
	What had happened is that truck, we've noticed, when we go to the cemetery, it would park in this upper road of the cemetery.
	And it was just night after night that we were there.
	This car would come in at the same time, park there, stay for about half an hour, and leave.
	Well, it turns out this man's son is buried where he's been parking.
	And it's something that he's been, you know, trying to deal with and mourning over, and that he comes there every night.
	And it almost makes me wonder if maybe it's his son doing the license plate number.
	Have you ever wondered whether it might not be the dead at all, but rather the living causing this?
	Has it crossed your minds?
	Most of the time when we go to a location like a cemetery, we will go in the At night time, after most people don't go.
	Oh, great.
	That's even a better time to be there.
	We're there, you know, sometimes like 11, 12 o'clock at night.
	Oh, of course, midnight.
	That's a great time to be in a cinema.
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	Especially the babies.
	The part about the babies.
	I think that's what gets me too, as I listen to the G.I.S.
	Electronic recordings.
	I'll tell ya.
	Babies.
	Babies, babies, babies.
	Good morning, I'm Art Bell.
	My guests are Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth from the Ghost Investigators Society.
	GIS, we'll be right back.
	Wasn't there an old saying, something about whistling past a graveyard?
	Harshing back to that whistle we heard.
	Anyway, back to my guest, Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth.
	Welcome back.
	Whistling past the graveyard, was there an old expression like that?
	I don't know.
	Alright, well anyway, listen, I've got a question from a listener, Gary in Hopkinsville, Kentucky.
	Says, Hi Art, I've been listening to most of the show this morning and I'm curious as to what type of recording equipment they use if they are willing to say great show, creepy stuff.
	So, do you use different types of recording equipment, or specifically, what do you use?
	Obviously, people are going to want to try this at home.
	And, you know, we encourage people to try this.
	I mean, that's our goal in doing this, is to get people to research this more than what we'll ever be able to do.
	We use, like I said before, we do use microcassette recorders, just because they're easier to handle, they're portable.
	He asked that you use an external mic just to cut down background noise and the motor noise and such.
	The micro cassette recorders we use are the TPM-920 Iowa recorders.
	I mean they come in really clear.
	They're really good for doing this kind of stuff.
	Plus they have a counter so that we know exactly where the voice is on the tape.
	Alright, okay.
	So that's the equipment you use and what kind of tape do you use?
	Well, we've used all kinds of Memorex, TDK, Panasonic, it doesn't matter.
	One thing I've just found out is any of the chromium dioxide tapes have a tendency to bleed and duplicate voices.
	Really?
	And I just recently found this out and I believe we've used them a couple of times and just never have since we found this out because... I've always used either Memorex or TDK.
	Okay.
	Alright, well that gives everybody out there an idea of what you use, how you do it, so let's proceed.
	Number 22.
	This one was recorded at the train station that's now a museum, and me and my husband were just leaving from an investigation.
	We were out in the parking lot, and I was gabbing with my husband.
	He was already in the car, and I was putting my equipment in the car, and this voice He swears at me and says, please sit down.
	Did it use a swear word that I can't hear?
	Yeah, he can't hear it.
	Well, I don't know.
	What does it start with?
	S. Four letters?
	Yes.
	All right, well.
	You hear it every day.
	I think everybody knows what we're talking about.
	It's with a T. Everybody knows what you're talking about.
	Leap that out and what we're going to hear, or it just... You just... It's there.
	It's... We have no control over what they say.
	Oh, it's there.
	Alright, well, either do I. Here we go.
	Everybody listen.
	Wait a minute.
	Alright, what I... What I heard was the S-word.
	Alright, what I heard was the S word, he's dead.
	That's what it sounded like to me.
	What did you hear?
	I hear it telling me to please sit down.
	And I also... Really?
	Alright, now hold on.
	Let's review this one more time.
	Alright, hold on.
	Oh no, he's... Oh, I hear he's dead.
	I hear he's dead.
	Interesting.
	Now, maybe I'm wrong, but maybe my mind got fixed on hearing that.
	And so that's what I heard each time.
	I don't know.
	But you thought it told you to sit down.
	Yes.
	You know, what's interesting about this is for quite a while, we actually thought it said, please, please sit down.
	And we just, a while ago, figured out what the first word was.
	Yeah, it didn't sound that polite to me.
	Okay, number 23.
	Alright, this one was recorded by Barbara and Roger.
	They were in the cemetery by themselves.
	We weren't with them on this occasion.
	And they were the only ones in their car, and this is another example of them getting in the car with you.
	They were driving around the cemetery, and Roger had asked Barbara for a camera.
	Yes.
	And Roger says, which one is that?
	And Barbara says, it's the one, and then this voice breaks in, louder than Barbara, it's a female voice, and Barbara was the only female, saying, almost dead.
	Almost dead.
	Yeah, and then Barbara says, almost used.
	And we think the almost dead is referring to the old time slang as, if something's almost used, it's almost dead.
	Alright, let's see what we've got.
	Oh my.
	Almost dead.
	You're right, that's a louder voice than hers, far in the background, and very clear, and definitely saying, almost dead.
	And I hope it was referring to the camera.
	I thought it was interesting how she just broke in between my sentence.
	Yeah, and I mean, it could have been referring to herself, I guess.
	We've gotten a voice in that same cemetery of a lady saying, I'm completely dead.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, I mean, it's almost like she's had a self-realization that she's just realized that she's dead.
	Now, you two have spent a great deal of time in cemeteries, but obviously other haunted places are good.
	What about places that are not haunted at all?
	Are you very unlikely to get something?
	If you go to somebody's brand new home, just built, none of the workmen got buried in the cement, you know, no bad stories.
	Are you going to hear a voice there?
	Yeah, this is something that's just come up.
	We've just recently been asked to We just recently did an investigation at a brand new home.
	In fact, it hasn't even been half all the way built yet.
	Yes.
	And we came up with some really interesting stuff on this house.
	And what's interesting is we have a picture on the website from a house that's not even two blocks away from there that somebody had, you know, photographed and sent to us.
	So we don't know if it's something about that area or maybe the ground.
	Well, we've thought, because it's on a fault line, and maybe there's some geophysical energy taking place that's maybe helping this stuff manifest, or... I mean, who knows?
	Yeah, who knows is right.
	Alright, number 24.
	This one was quite interesting.
	I had been in the cemetery, and I was reading an old military headstone.
	It had All the information about the troop, the guy had died in World War II, everything was there except for what company he was in.
	And I recorded a voice saying, a company.
	You're kidding.
	Well, later on, at a different time, my husband Roger was telling some people about this voice that we had recorded, and he inadvertently said, Company A, real proud, you know, telling about that voice.
	Yes.
	And had changed it from A Company to Company A. And I recorded this voice repeating him saying Company A. Here we go.
	Company A. Company A. Company A. Company A. Oh, that's really freaky.
	That's really freaky.
	And you guys never get bothered doing this work?
	Never.
	I find it one of the most fascinating things.
	I mean, this is why we do it, is to record stuff like this and see the things that we do.
	Have you made a pact between you?
	Should one of you go first of the group involved?
	Well, I wouldn't mind staying around and being a ghost.
	I think it could be kind of entertaining, although I don't know I think it shows that we do have a choice.
	We are able to make choices in life, and I think... You'd hang around.
	It shows that we are still able to make choices in death.
	Uh-huh.
	Brendan, how about you?
	Kind of felt the same way as Barb, although I haven't given it a lot of thought.
	Uh, I guess maybe I probably would hang around for a while.
	My husband, no way does he want to stay.
	When he dies, he wants to just go where we're supposed to go.
	I'm with your husband.
	That's me too.
	I don't, I especially don't like the concept of hanging around the headstone.
	And I don't know, you know, we go to locations where we don't go out looking.
	At places where there's no reported activity going, we usually go to locations where activity has been reported.
	I mean, why, for example, would a soul which has left the body, or the life force, or whatever you want to call it, hang around a depressing place like the old rotten away body, instead of taking off and doing all kinds of exotic things?
	That just... it's a mystery to me.
	You know, I...
	I don't know, maybe it just has to return to the body, the soul has to return to the body for some reason to protect it.
	I mean, there could be a number of reasons why, but it seems like even if they do travel other places, they always return to their body.
	Yeah, right, but there's a natural process.
	I mean, what are you going to guard?
	Are you going to be on worm guard or something?
	Yeah, I don't know why.
	This particular cemetery is extremely active, although recently it doesn't seem like it's as active now as what it was when we first went there.
	And I don't know if maybe us going there and talking and discussing things amongst ourselves as we're investigating, they've come to realize that they are dead and have moved on.
	Well, I'll be damned, I'm dead.
	Alright, on number 25, folks.
	Alright.
	Oh, yeah, that's on yours.
	I'm sorry.
	Now, this one is kind of neat.
	It mocks Barbara's husband, Roger.
	You hear Barbara's husband say, sit and wait there.
	Yes.
	And directly after, you hear this voice say, sit and wait there, and then what sounds like an exhaling right after.
	An exhaling?
	Yeah, and I don't see the reason for an exhale.
	I mean, it doesn't have the physical lungs to produce the sound.
	Good point.
	All right, here we go.
	I don't like that one.
	Mr. Hoyer.
	I don't like that one.
	We've recorded his voice a number of times there at that location.
	Yeah, but there's something about that exhalation that...
	I kind of wonder if it's the energy that it is using somehow, you know.
	Bye.
	Because you know that people have to breathe.
	You mean the energy to produce the communication?
	Yes.
	Well, maybe they do breathe.
	Breathing is an involuntary thing that you do all your life.
	Wouldn't you tend to keep up the I mean, it's kind of like having your finger or your arm cut off.
	They tell me they have a ghost arm for a long, long time.
	Why wouldn't you ghost breathe for a while?
	Well, and that could be, you know.
	I mean, it could be from memory, you know.
	Because I've recorded that sound many times, and I know that you don't need to breathe after you're dead, and it could be from a memory thing.
	Well, if they don't know they're dead, they're going to keep breathing.
	That's pretty good bet, right?
	Yeah, that's true.
	Alright, number 26.
	This one was recorded in that train station, and it sounds like a child.
	We were talking to the maintenance man that had a lot of ghost activity take place there.
	I was explaining a previous child's voice that I had recorded at this location, and I recorded this child's voice saying, come to papa.
	Come to papa.
	All right, here we go.
	Here we go.
	Come to Papa.
	Yes, I can hear come to Papa.
	If you notice, the child almost sounds like it has a slight accent.
	Yes, I agree.
	And that is as it would be, I suppose.
	In other words, here in the U.S., even in the U.S., you hear a lot of people with accents, fairly recent immigrants, that sort of thing.
	So why wouldn't you have a mix on the other side as well?
	Yeah, it makes sense.
	All right.
	I want to leave enough time in this hour to get some calls in.
	Number 27.
	All right.
	This one, I'll just make it quick.
	Barbara had been lighting up a cigarette at the time this was recorded, and this voice comes in and says, always breaking it.
	Always breaking it?
	Meaning what, do you think?
	We don't know.
	We've had some ideas on what it might mean.
	We've been thinking that maybe it tends, since we're in Mormon country, Uh, breaking the word of wisdom.
	I forgot to ask you where you all are.
	Where are you?
	In Utah.
	In Utah.
	Very good point.
	All right, here we go.
	Maybe they meant to have it.
	Yeah.
	Who knows?
	Alright, number 28.
	This one's very interesting.
	This voice has identified himself on two different occasions.
	You'll hear my husband say, referring to the one Marco Polo, he says, are you the one Marco Polo or Lewis?
	Because Lewis had identified himself on a previous occasion.
	And he, the voice responds, I'm Lewis.
	I'm Louis, really.
	Alright, here we go.
	Uh... Very clear.
	Louis, I'm Louis.
	Oh, that's weird.
	Oh, that's weird.
	Lewis Lewis Lewis Are you the one that said Marco Polo?
	Lewis Lewis Lewis Are you the one that said Marco Polo?
	Lewis Lewis Lewis Lewis Lewis Lewis
	Lewis Lewis Lewis Lewis Lewis Lewis
	Lewis Lewis Lewis How are people able to communicate with you all?
	Well, if you mean contact, I mean they can contact us directly through the website.
	I'm talking about this world, yes.
	Through your website?
	Yeah, I mean that's the best way to get a hold of us is just email the website, the bottom of the homepage, there's a link to email us, find the guestbook, any one of those ways works.
	And there are also, in fact, we hold meetings sometimes in the local library.
	We've had people, the library knows about us, and local residents here, when they've had ghost activity take place, and they've gone to the library to try to find information on ghosts, and if the library happens to find out what they're doing, they'll refer them.
	That's in your little town, right?
	Alright.
	Do you have a specific email address, anyway?
	We do.
	It's GIS at ghostpix.com.
	At ghostpix.com, right?
	That's it.
	ghostpix.com.
	GIS at ghostpix.com.
	All right.
	I think people have it.
	You're liable to get a lot of email, I imagine.
	Very quickly, number 29.
	All right, this one was recorded in that same train station.
	In fact, I think it was on the same night as the last few of them.
	In this one section of the train station, you can smell a residual burning smell from when part of the train station burnt down.
	And it keeps appearing, and another child's voice comes in and says, was you scared?
	Not scared, but scared.
	Was you scared?
	Alright, let's see.
	Can you hear me?
	Yep, I hear it clearly.
	I hear it too clearly.
	Was you scared?
	Scared.
	Alright, we've got one last and then I want to go to the phone lines.
	What is the last one?
	30.
	This one was recorded outside of the mausoleum and it sounds to me like two different voices greeting each other, saying hi.
	So neither one of these are contemporary humans?
	That's correct.
	Alright, here we go.
	Alright, well it's hard for me to tell out of all of them what is my favorite, which might mean which is the most scary.
	I have no idea.
	What I would like to do when we get back from the break, you two, is to take some calls from listeners for about a half hour.
	Would that be alright?
	Sounds good.
	Alright, good.
	By now they've had a pretty good sampling of what you all do.
	Oh, graveyards.
	I don't spend a lot of time in graveyards.
	How about you?
	And think about it.
	I mean, really think about it.
	Would you go to a graveyard and spend time with a recorder trying to get recordings?
	The voices of the dead.
	Would you do that?
	Well, I guess they'd say somebody has to.
	And it's the Ghost Investigators Society that does it.
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	Once again, Barbara McBeth and Brendan Cook of the Ghost Investigators Society.
	Electronic voices from the other side, that's what we have been listening to tonight.
	You two, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	One quick question for either one or both, and then we'll go to the phones.
	It's Mike in Houston, Texas, who asks on our Fast Blast, I wonder if your guests have tried recording from a morgue or hospital, CCU, right after death.
	I bet there's some good stuff there.
	I work in a critical care unit, so I may try to record right after a passing.
	What do you think?
	You know, we've thought about that, and at one time we had the opportunity to do it, but we run into a morality question.
	You know, I think there's There's two points in people's lives that shouldn't be videotaped, audiotaped, or anything, and that's the moment of birth and the moment of death.
	Oh, I thought we were going to say marriage.
	All right, here we go.
	Let's take some calls.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Barbara McBeth and Brendan Cook.
	Hi.
	Yeah, Art.
	How you doing, Brenda?
	Barbara, I'm glad I got in.
	I got right through.
	Two points.
	One is on number 10 on your disc there.
	I think that voice is saying, behind us.
	Behind us, I believe.
	But it's so fast that you can hardly pick it up.
	Behind us.
	And what do you think it was saying?
	Behind us.
	No, no, I know.
	No, I meant Brendan and Barbara.
	No, we thought it was saying Iben, but what's interesting is we found that they talk syllabically and either one is two syllables.
	All right, everybody quiet for a moment.
	Let's listen to this and see if we can decide for ourselves.
	Here it is.
	Ten, number ten.
	You know, he's right.
	That could be behind us or behind.
	It could, because I've never heard the name Iben.
	Which is what I hear.
	All right, caller.
	Good shot there.
	Yeah, Art.
	One more thing, please.
	Sure.
	I'm out of state.
	I'm from Muskogee, Oklahoma, but I'm up here in Wisconsin where I'm listening to you now.
	Right.
	Do you have a station out of Tulsa that carries you?
	Do you know?
	We do.
	I think it's in Tulsa, huh?
	Might be KTOK.
	I'm not sure.
	I'd have to check my list.
	Okay, I'm going to try to take you okay when I get back home.
	Well, thank you very much, Art.
	All right, and keep listening on the air there.
	Let's see if, let me see while we're at it here, Oklahoma.
	Let's see, Tulsa, Tulsa, Tulsa, Tulsa.
	No, not finding it.
	All right, we'll keep looking and continue with the calls.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air, hi.
	Hi, good morning.
	It did sound like behind, by the way.
	Anyway, I was going to ask your guest, have they, Traveled to like foreign countries and have gone through their cemeteries in different places and or have they collaborated with anybody else in foreign countries to see if this phenomenon is true.
	That's why I bring it up.
	I know they had that German clip, but I was just wondering are people picking this up in other countries in their native tongues?
	Very good question.
	Have you all ever traveled overseas and done this?
	You know what?
	We haven't.
	But I do know, especially in Germany, there is a lot of research going on into this.
	And it's, of course, more common to find the language of that country.
	I mean, the prominent language of that country.
	However, just like here, I mean, there's other people that speak different languages, and occasionally we do pick them up.
	So the dead are not like air traffic controllers, which have to speak English?
	We have recorded French, we've recorded Spanish, and german
	the english is the most common because we're here in the united states and
	that's what the majority of people make the most sense to me all right caller
	there you are and for the previous caller uh... kate he okay is in oklahoma city
	and in tulsa it's k q l l that's k q l in tulsa use of the rockies you're on the air with the
	ghost folks Hello, yes, this is Dan, and I'm calling from Joplin today.
	I have a couple of questions.
	Have you ever thought of going to the grave of someone that you knew when they were physically alive, was blind, and then bringing a piece of Braille that you had not had read to you, and ask the ghost to read that Braille?
	Ooh, that's a weird one.
	No, but that's a good thing to try.
	I have not known anyone that was blind, and so that thought never even occurred to me, but I might try to find out, do some research and try to find a person that was.
	Do you ever get recordings that are greater than a sentence or a couple of words?
	Yes.
	Yeah, we do.
	We've got a couple.
	Most of the time, well we've gotten some, we've played some sentences here.
	Yes.
	But I think the longest one that we recorded was at Fort Douglas and in one of the, well it was the museum that used to be a barracks.
	Yes.
	And it says, the man said, I ain't ever seen anything that can compare to this.
	All right, so it usually then comes in relatively either single words, two words, or at the most a sentence.
	That's generally true?
	Yes.
	Then that must mean that it takes a great amount of energy or effort or whatever is expended to get it from there to here.
	Exactly.
	I believe it is.
	You know, and we need scientific explanation for these things.
	I would love to see mainstream science recognize that there is Something here and do some good scientific research.
	We're very limited on our funds because we fund ourselves.
	Right.
	But there's definitely presences around us.
	And I think that if we could get mainstream science involved, I've I've checked every one of my tapes.
	You're not afraid of mainstream science.
	You would invite an investigator along.
	By all means.
	I would love mainstream science to get interested in this.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	How are you doing?
	Great to have you back, Art.
	Thank you.
	Barbara, Brendan, this is Josh from Seattle.
	Um, something really crazy, uh, well, okay, this tonight's show really interested me because, uh, something that happened about two months ago.
	It was late night, and I was, uh, recording a compact disc onto a, you know, blank tape from my, uh, stereo.
	And I fell asleep, and the CD had finished recording, and the tape, there was still more tape left.
	And I listened to the CD afterwards and I wanted to tape more stuff onto the blank space that was remaining on the tape and I could distinctly hear somebody sobbing their eyes out going, tell them I love them and I did not do it.
	And I've let a couple of my friends and a few of my family members listen to this and they can hear it too.
	And I just didn't want to bring this to anybody else, you know, out of fear of them calling me a crackpot or something.
	And I was just wondering, is there any way I could possibly, like, send this tape to you or something like that?
	If you had the ability to maybe transfer it to a WAV file, just, you know, the anomalous voice part of it, you could send it directly to the site and we could look at it and run it through our graphic analysis.
	Alright, so it's G-I-S at GhostPix, that's P-I-X, G-H-O-S-T, P-I-X, G-I-S at GhostPix.com, right?
	And you like WAV files?
	Yes.
	Can you do that, Caller?
	Yes, I think I can.
	I have one more quick question before I go.
	Sure.
	Surely all of us have seen the movie The Sixth Sense, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, we all remember the part where he listens to that tape and hears the voice.
	Yes.
	Did that happen to alert you to Barbara or Brendan Inney when you first seen that?
	We had been doing that way before we ever saw the movie.
	Oh, well, I know that.
	Well, I mean, did it cause you to take alert and go, wait a minute?
	Yeah, it was interesting.
	In fact, another movie that deals with it is The Changeling.
	Okay, I've never seen the same kind of thing happen in it.
	Yeah, but nothing quite affected me like The Sixth Sense.
	They really managed... That movie was done very well.
	Whoever made that movie and wrote it knew about, I thought, how it was portrayed very well.
	Well, rarely does a movie bowl me over right at the end, but at the end of The Sixth Sense, I just sat there going, Well, the thing that really gets me is this was not a movie.
	This was real life.
	For the next couple of nights, I just couldn't sleep to tell you the honest to God truth.
	I listened to it maybe 10 or 15 times.
	You can distinctly hear somebody.
	It sounds like they're sobbing their eyes out and it goes, tell them I love them and I didn't do it.
	Have you ever had ghost activity take place there that you're aware of?
	Well, aside from the normal creaks and such of the house, nothing really.
	I mean, the thing that really got me was, I mean, I was completely alone in my home at the time.
	Right.
	There was nobody else in the house.
	You might want to try taping your, you know, there and asking questions and see if you get a reply.
	Let them know that you heard them and Ask if there's anything that you can do for them and see if you get a response.
	Yeah, I mean... Do you live in an apartment or a home?
	I live in a home.
	I was going to say, because, you know, I mean, they must be reasonable.
	I mean, if they're reasonable before, they must be reasonable after.
	Yes, that's true.
	One quick thing before I go.
	What two brands of tape did you say you use?
	Because I'm going to go out and get one of the two as soon as possible.
	I myself use either Memorex cassette, Memorex tape, or TDK.
	All right.
	And those have worked out the best for you?
	For me, yes.
	Matter of how much noise is on them, or what?
	My preference is the Memorex.
	I've never had a bit of problem with Memorex tapes.
	Good advertisement for Memorex.
	All right.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with the GIS group.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Tim from St.
	Louis, listening on 97.1.
	97.1, our new affiliate in St.
	Louis FM.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, it's great.
	I've got a great story for you.
	I've been interested in this since 1992 because a voice phenomenon did happen to me on a tape while I was speaking with a psychic, and she was giving me a warning.
	You talk about interaction.
	It interacted at the exact moment that I was given the warning.
	And actually it was a warning saying, the psychic was warning me about an unhealthy obsession with a girl that I was dating, with some other man I guess.
	And at that exact moment, a voice came over the tape and said the man's name.
	Oh brother.
	Yeah.
	Did you find out that that was true?
	I didn't find out if it was true or not, no.
	I'm not sure if it ever came to light or not, but then right after that I heard a whistle as well, like I heard earlier.
	It went... just like that.
	I'm interested in this phenomenon.
	I also bought this book that I got through Wayne Green on his Guide to Wisdom, which it's called by Peter Bander.
	Yes.
	I've been very interested in this phenomenon.
	I'm going to start doing it myself, as well, because I've got three voices captured on tape.
	Well, it's an extremely easy thing to get into.
	It doesn't cost a lot of money, and you can do it pretty much anywhere.
	well not everybody you to uh... understand not everybody
	wants to hear from the other side well other and more interest in it uh...
	today than and years past i I've seen a change in the public's attitude towards this phenomena.
	Yes, I think it's because people are indeed becoming more spiritual.
	Yes, and we're aware that there are possibilities of things that might exist out there than what we've been told.
	No doubt.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS Group.
	Hi there.
	Hi, this is Sharon from Knoxville.
	Yes, sir.
	I had a question for Brendan and Barbara.
	Oh, we're newly on the air there in Knoxville.
	Oh, yes, yes.
	News Talk 990.
	And I'll bet they hardly need no one to think about us over there.
	Well, we seem to enjoy you, the listeners, and I don't know.
	I wanted to ask Brendan and Barbara, does the tune that the whistling ghost you had sound familiar to you?
	No, I mean, it sounds, it reminds me of an old western song, and I would love, if anybody out there knows what that tune is, I would love to know it.
	Well, I think, to me, it sounded very familiar, but it didn't sound like a western.
	I was wondering maybe if Art could play it again.
	As strange as this seems, the end of it sounded like the whistling in the X-Files.
	No.
	Are you serious?
	Yeah, it really did.
	What number was that?
	Number 11.
	Number 11.
	Hmm.
	Let's see.
	I thought more like Bridge over the River Clyde, but... It kind of had a West, like an old West.
	The last five notes.
	All right, here we go.
	Everybody quiet.
	I want to have my team work.
	Yeah.
	You're not a team leader, so that's a good thing.
	We would take care of it.
	Huh, huh.
	All right.
	You sound like to me.
	Still does, huh?
	Maybe the ghost watched the X-Files, I don't know.
	Well, there's a couple of the people that said that it reminded them of the X-Files, but I hear an old cowboy tune.
	Yeah, the last five notes sound hauntingly like the X-Files to me.
	You're not the first that said that.
	Really?
	So, other people thought that too.
	Maybe that was just a little too cutesy, and so you decided not to go with that, huh?
	Well, it just reminds me of a little cowboy song.
	All right.
	Is that it, Caller?
	Yes, it is.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	All right, you two.
	The Ghost Investigators Society can be reached by going to my website and just linking over to theirs.
	Just go to the area where it says Tonight's Guest.
	And you'll be able to click right on their website, which is www.ghostpix.com, or if you want to send them email or a WAV file.
	I bet you guys love getting those.
	A WAV file.
	the book that are part of a way file other email is g i s ghost pics dot com g h o s t p i x dot
	do you receive a lot of way files from people You know, actually, we don't.
	We receive a lot of pictures.
	You will now.
	And questions about how to send WAV files, but we actually don't receive a lot of WAV files, no.
	You're set up, obviously, for computers there, because you've dealt with processing the audio, right?
	Yes.
	So, WAV files would be a good thing?
	Yes, yes.
	Although, yeah, they're easy, but Most of the things that we post, we know what was happening at that time.
	In other words, you had control.
	Yes.
	Do you ever get audio that came in conjunction with a photograph, a ghost photograph?
	We've gotten audio that has been in You know, coincided with infrared video that we've taped.
	I recorded a voice on my audio tape and on my infrared video at the same time.
	There you are.
	There you are.
	That's what I wanted to know.
	Listen, you two, I really want to thank you for being here.
	We appreciate you asking.
	Thank you.
	Oh, absolutely.
	We're going to do this again.
	I take it there'll be a whole new collection soon, right?
	We have many.
	Yeah, we're constantly getting new ones.
	All right, then we're going to do it again.
	This was Hot Stuff.
	Thank you both.
	Well, thank you.
	Thank you.
	Good night.
	And for those of you that catch the last hour, hang in there.
	It's coming up.
	It's going to be absolutely open lines all the way.

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