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Feb. 13, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Major Ed Dames - Remote Viewing

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	...invented the orgasm machine, or I think Rush called it the orgasmatron.
	It's actually a very serious invention.
	A lot of people will chuckle and laugh and think of all kinds of applications, but...
	We'll tell you what it really is coming up in a moment.
	Then in the next hour, Major Ed Dames, the remote viewer Major Ed Dames, is going to be here.
	And so it'll be quite a night in all.
	And I'll give you a little hint of what's coming up, by the way, in the next week or so as well as the show progresses.
	Now, we've had a lot of earthquakes.
	There has been, uh, I guess you would call it a flurry of earthquakes around me, and I'm a little concerned about that.
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	All right, just one more item, and then it's to Dr. T. Stuart Molloy.
	And the item is, guess what?
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	All right.
	Who is Dr. Malloy?
	Dr. Malloy earned his B.S.
	in the Chemistry Honors Program at Duke University.
	And an M.D.
	degree from Bowman Gray School of Medicine at Wake Forest University.
	With Bowman Gray, Dr. Malloy was given the Annie J. Covington Memorial Award in cardiology.
	Dr. Malloy completed his post-graduate work at George Washington University Medical Center, highlighted by an internship in internal medicine.
	This fellow is a heavyweight.
	Residency in anesthesia, a fellowship in cardiovascular anesthesia, and membership on the cardiac transplant team.
	Oh my!
	Prior to founding Piedmont Institute of Pain Management in 1995, Dr. Malloy was an anesthesiologist with Winston-Salem Anesthesia Associates.
	Dr. Molloy has been with PAPC since March of 1997.
	Here is Dr. Molloy.
	Hi, Doctor.
	Good morning, Art.
	How are you?
	I'm fine, and I guess we are blessed with your appearance here tonight because you work very late back there doing what you do.
	That's right.
	You're on call.
	That's right, but things are quiet right now.
	So the audience should know, should something catastrophic occur, you'll be going like that.
	Pretty much.
	Alright, well you've got quite a background, Doctor.
	You were on ABC's Good Morning America, I think, recently, weren't you?
	Yeah, that was about a week ago, last Thursday.
	Rush Limbaugh, I think, called what you have apparently invented, or discovered, the orgasmatron.
	I think that came from some blue movie a long time ago.
	It was Woody Allen's Sleeper.
	Oh, is that what it was?
	Right.
	I'm sure you've been reminded.
	Several times, uh-huh.
	What you have discovered actually is very significant, isn't it?
	Yes.
	Alright, let's back up a little bit.
	Your real interest was in spinal cord I guess manipulation in order to modify pain signals to the brain or something like that.
	Is that correct?
	Well, the device that we were using at the time of the discovery is called a spinal cord stimulator.
	And what that is, is a set of electrodes that we can put inside the spinal canal through a needle into the epidural space.
	Once it's in place there, then it lies The electrodes lay in very close proximity to the spinal cord.
	And they do allow us to modify what people feel.
	Changing, say, a chronically painful sensation into one that the patient can tolerate more readily.
	Most patients will describe it as a buzzing sensation.
	That's interesting.
	I have L4 and L5, terrible problems.
	You know, every now and then the disc comes out and touches the nerve and oh boy.
	So that would modify it to something kind of like a buzzing versus racking, wrenching pain?
	Right.
	Right.
	That's the idea of a spinal cord stimulator.
	Is this something that can only be done in in inpatient or is it eventually something that can be done outpatient?
	In other words, you put the device in and then they're able to control pain.
	Well, Generally, we do it in a two-step process.
	I mean, first of all, for chronic pain management, we want to make sure that we haven't overlooked some simpler technique that would help you.
	I mean, you yourself mentioned that your problem, for example, is intermittent.
	Sure, very, yes.
	So, a stimulator like this is probably not something we would recommend.
	This would be somebody in true chronic, all-the-time kind of pain?
	Correct.
	Generally what we do as a first step after we do a history and a physical exam and we try simpler things is to place just the electrodes through the needle and then we take the needle out and we have the one end of the electrodes coming out of a hole in the skin.
	And we use that in a temporary fashion for two or three days and let the patient go home and in their home environment we have them turn the power on and off and they can change the pulse width and the frequency and we let them determine whether or not this is something that truly helps them.
	What percentage of people as a matter of interest are helped by this?
	Generally around 70 to 80 percent.
	You have to be extremely careful in your patient selection though because there are some people that you're just not going to be able to help.
	Sometimes it's for psychological reasons.
	Sometimes it's just because you can't match the stimulation pattern to the pain pattern.
	Since you deal with pain, I have a completely unrelated question to ask you.
	Maybe a tough one, you don't have to answer it.
	Go ahead.
	I have a lot of friends who have passed away of cancer and other extremely painful things.
	And there's a big controversy in America about medication.
	In other words, when somebody truly is in a very great deal of pain, are doctors in America, in your opinion, under-medicating people who really need the help?
	Well, I need to draw a distinction between two circumstances.
	One would be pain from a malignant origin, like a cancer for example.
	Right.
	And then the second is pain from a non-malignant origin.
	And we'll use back pain as an example.
	Okay.
	From a herniated disc.
	Sure.
	The answer is that in general, in both circumstances, the patients are being under-medicated.
	This is being done, is it not, to a large degree because the DEA monitors what you doctors write?
	There certainly is a certain stigmatization of narcotics just in society as a whole.
	I'd have to say that in 11 years of practice that I have not had the DEA question what I'm doing.
	On the other hand, you went through my resume and if they look me up and they see, well, he's got a fairly extensive background in pain management, that's a little bit different from a family practitioner who may be called upon to treat a patient and may be doing it appropriately but because of the, again, we as a society attach to that kind of therapy.
	They may run afoul of the law.
	All right.
	Well, I thought I would ask.
	In my opinion, some of, a few of my friends who have passed on were in fact under medicated and that was the reason the doctors gave and I thought, that kind of stinks.
	I couldn't agree more.
	Okay, so anyway, you're in the business of trying to manage pain and you're doing it with a spinal cord stimulator.
	Is it difficult or really hard or touchy to find the place Where those electrodes end up to control a specific pain?
	It's an individualized problem.
	I mean, there are days when we go into the operating room and the first electrode position we pick is the right one.
	I've seen cases where it's taken up to six hours to get the appropriate positioning.
	So in other words, sometimes you have to... Is there any map to it generally?
	In other words, for a certain kind of pain, you kind of generally know where to go?
	Yeah, we have a reasonably good idea where to start, but for this kind of procedure, the patient is actually awake.
	And so what we'll do is put the electrode into the area where we think it needs to be, apply power to the electrodes, and then ask the patient where they feel it.
	And so, for example, let's say we're trying to get your leg.
	The first position might just get your buttock so we move the electrode and we're watching it under an x-ray machine as we do this.
	We move it a millimeter or so and now say we're getting your buttock and you're down to your knee.
	Move it again, we get down from your buttock down to your ankle.
	Move it again, now we're encompassing your whole leg.
	But, you know, it's taken several steps to get there.
	That's really interesting.
	As a matter of technical curiosity, how much current or voltage or what is delivered to achieve this?
	Oh, it's an extremely small current.
	I mean, the electrodes are, it's microvolts that we're talking about.
	That's amazing.
	So, in other words, once those electrodes are in, It would take a very small device to go home with a patient to produce the results.
	Well, the finished product or the permanent product is, and conceptually it's like a pacemaker in so much as you have a pulse generator and an electrode, except in this case the electrodes are near the spinal cord and not in the heart.
	The pulse generator is about the size of a pager.
	Boy, that is really remarkable.
	Are there applications for it for the entire body or above the waist?
	Or is there a point where the spinal cord is not affected?
	Well, we can successfully stimulate the arms and legs.
	There are some people with intractable chest pain from heart disease where this is effective in alleviating the pain.
	Wow.
	And it's not just a matter of masking the pain in that setting.
	The studies from that application indicate better blood flow to the heart muscle itself.
	That's remarkable!
	Yeah, it's pretty neat.
	There's some application for headaches that involve the back of the head, occipital headaches, but aside from that, above the neck, it's really not applicable.
	But otherwise, and that's a lot of the body, you can do a lot to help people.
	Yes.
	How long has this technology been brewing now?
	As far as spinal cord stimulation is concerned?
	For pain, yes.
	For a matter of decades.
	A matter of decades?
	I've been trying to remember whether it first came out in the late 60s or early 70s, but that far back.
	How widespread is its use?
	The therapy is employed worldwide.
	To be honest with you, I couldn't tell you offhand how many currently deployed systems there are.
	In my practice, which is a fairly busy one, we probably implant two to three people a month, if not more.
	Well then, a natural question I guess would be, if it's been used for decades, how is it that you suddenly stumbled into something that somebody probably should have found Ten years ago.
	Well, the effect, the stimulation effect is, people have noted and commented on, although no one's done any serious work about it before.
	I think if I made a unique, well I did make a unique contribution, that was to realize that it could be a therapy for an entirely different class of disease, that of orgasmic
	dysfunction.
	My patients have a lot of problems to be sure, but that is not high on the list of things
	they tell me about.
	I am sure it is not.
	And it is not, up until now, it is probably not something that I would have asked about.
	I would have relegated it to the, gee, what an interesting day at the office I had, course
	of things, except that I was having dinner with a colleague of mine who is a gynecologist.
	And after I told him the story, he said, well, you know, if you have got a therapy for orgasmic
	dysfunction, that is an extremely common problem.
	You really need to pursue it.
	So it made, could it be true then that other doctors did stumble on the phenomena?
	Oh, absolutely.
	But simply dismissed it as irrelevant to what they were trying to accomplish?
	That's exactly what happened.
	Aha.
	Chance favors the prepared mind, that's what Einstein said.
	So, in your case then, tell the story of the lady that I guess the discovery was made with, or at least the one that went ahead to be what it is now.
	Well, it was pretty much what I told you as far as the serial stimulation.
	You get an effect, you move the electrode, you get an effect, and it changes.
	Right.
	And in her case, as I said, everybody's a little bit different.
	In her case it seemed as if the electrode was just higher electrically than it was from
	the anatomic location.
	The net effect of that is that you can stimulate the chest wall or stimulate the abdominal
	wall and a lot of people don't really like that.
	So it's not unusual for us to apply power to the electrodes and then allow the patient
	to say ooh or something like that.
	So we've gone through that and what you do is you turn off the power and you ask them
	what they felt and it gives you information about where to move the electrode next.
	Of course.
	They're telling you you're getting colder instead of warmer.
	Sure.
	No pun intended.
	In this case, we were getting farther and farther down her leg and farther and farther down her spine.
	She exclaimed again.
	We cut the power and I asked her what was the matter.
	And there was a pause and then she said, you're going to have to teach my husband how to do that.
	And that kind of brought the procedure to a halt for a few moments while I tried to ascertain exactly what she was telling me.
	But as far as we could tell, if we turned on a power, she had an orgasm.
	If we turned it off, it stopped.
	And you have to understand, In this setting, you know, this patient's laying face down on an operating table covered by grapes.
	I can only see a few square centimeters of her back where the needle is sticking out.
	Sure.
	And she has no idea when we're throwing the switch.
	So, you know, it was... Could it be fake, really?
	No, not at all.
	I understand.
	All right.
	So she was up front enough to tell you that she actually experienced a sexual orgasm?
	Yeah.
	I think a lot of patients wouldn't exactly say that.
	They would say that that really felt pleasurable or something, but they probably wouldn't be up front enough to tell you what just happened.
	Well, we do Give patients a certain amount of sedation while the procedure is going on.
	So that may have disinhibited her to a certain degree.
	True, that's a good point.
	So once you figured that out, what you had done, you attempted obviously to repeat it immediately?
	Well, just to verify that it had something to do with the application of the electricity to the electrodes.
	Once we'd verified that, I moved the electrode back in an effort to capture her leg, which was the painful area.
	And we succeeded in that and finished the case.
	Uh-huh.
	And then you had a talk with a gynecologist.
	That's right.
	And sort of just related what had happened.
	Right.
	And how did he encourage you?
	Or did he?
	Well, he just, he suggested that if I had a way to pursue it, that I ought to.
	He and I are good friends and have remained, I mean, we remain that way.
	The next step from there, secondly, there was a second patient I ran into and she had lost her stimulation.
	The ends of the electrodes are not fixed.
	And if the patient has some kind of violent deceleration like an accident or a sneezing fit or a coughing fit or vomiting, they can move the electrodes.
	And typically the major consequence of that is that they lose the stimulation pattern that they have.
	Let me guess, when they moved, they moved to this particular area?
	Well, she came in and And saying that she was no longer getting her pain relief and so we got a chest x-ray and lo and behold the electrodes had moved down about a vertebral body and a half.
	Which, you know, given that we normally adjust these things in millimeters is a huge difference.
	Was she getting this unusual stimulation?
	Well, she was awake and hadn't received any medicines and it took me a while to pry that out of her because she was very cagey about it.
	She benefited quite a bit, but didn't want to be re-operated, and I couldn't figure that out.
	Did she come in with like a hamper roll of duct tape so these things wouldn't move again?
	No, no, she had a permanently installed device.
	Alright, hold on doctor.
	When we get back, we'll continue and we'll give you an amazing fact that you may or may not know about women.
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	My guest is Dr. Stuart Molloy, inventor of the orgasm machine.
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	We'll find out.
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	Ah, good morning everybody and or good evening if you're here on the West Coast.
	Dr. Stuart Malloy is my guest and he has invented a machine that produces in women And who knows, maybe men.
	Orgasm.
	Now, most guys don't really have to worry a whole lot about that.
	Although I'm sure there's some application.
	With women, a very different story, and we'll tell you about that in a moment.
	Alright, once again, Dr. Maloy, welcome back.
	Thanks.
	Alright, so you had a second lady, and she had implanted electrodes for pain, and she was obviously getting A different effect, and came to see you and you asked her and she said it's not affecting the pain well anymore, but... Well, when she wasn't improved from her pain and she'd done well before, we knew the electrodes had moved.
	We'd seen that on the x-ray so that what I offered her was a re-operation to put the electrodes back.
	Uh-huh.
	And she was very cagey about undergoing that, and I'd say it took about 20 to 30 minutes before I finally grasped that, oh, there's some other kind of stimulation.
	She wasn't really willing to give that up either.
	I see.
	What did she want, a second set of electrodes?
	Well, that was an option, but eventually she settled for having her leg pain treated instead.
	I see.
	So again, it's reinforced that this is working.
	And by now, no doubt, you've identified the area pretty well.
	I have a good idea.
	I'd have to say this has not been studied systematically, which is pretty much the next step as far as I'm concerned.
	Yeah, I think I have a pretty clear idea of where we need to go.
	Alright, it is a fact in America, in the world I suppose, is it not, that about 30% of women, over 30, about a third of all women, that's a lot of women, never experience orgasm.
	Is that right?
	Those are the figures I'm familiar with.
	I've heard higher figures too.
	Since all this started, all sorts of figures have been bandied about.
	Because it's not something a lot of women would admit in any sort of survey, I suppose.
	Generally not.
	A lot of people are reluctant to go to their physician and talk about this at all.
	One of the interesting things about... I think this is interview number 49, but I've had a lot of opportunities to speak to large numbers of people.
	I just say, look, this is a problem.
	Do see your gynecologist.
	You know, there are a lot simpler things that can be treated than involving a spinal cord stimulator.
	Yes, I was going to ask, in what percentage of cases where a woman doesn't experience orgasm will a trip to the doctor and some sort of treatment, short of what you do, remedy the problem?
	I really don't know the outcomes of it, but the fact At least in my mind, if people are at least getting the information and seeking medical help, then irrespective of where this device ends up, you know, I've had an opportunity to help people, and on a large scale, so I find that quite satisfying.
	As will your beneficiaries.
	Right.
	Sorry, some of it's unavoidable.
	I mean, it's just unavoidable.
	I've tried to take the high road here, and I will continue to do so as much as possible.
	You're doing a wonderful job.
	I'm a Let's slide with a joker to myself.
	All right.
	We'll just forgive ourselves in advance.
	There you are.
	This device then, when the electrodes are in the right place, will produce, even in a woman who has never had an orgasm, will in fact produce an orgasm one time or repeatedly?
	Again, we've not studied it systematically.
	Both women that I've observed personally, To be honest with you, I don't even know what their orgasmic history is, but talking to other practitioners in the field, it's clearly a real phenomenon.
	It also seems dependent on the application of power to the electrodes, so that would imply that, yes, you could have a continuous orgasm.
	The United Kingdom has seemed fascinated by this phenomenon.
	I get a lot of questions from there.
	And during one show in Australia, I was asked, well, could you use this while driving?
	And my response was that the states were trying to get people to not use their cell phones.
	That's right.
	This would be a little more distracting.
	Oh, that's all we need.
	People are talking about virtual reality glasses while driving.
	Great, now we can have this.
	Maybe we can do both at the same time.
	But it really... Would it be your best guess that this device would produce, you said continuous, but at least repeated orgasms?
	From the observations thus far, yeah.
	Holy mackerel.
	That's a very... What do you call this device, Doctor?
	I really haven't come up with a name.
	What the patent is for is for the application of spinal cord stimulation to treat orgasmic dysfunction.
	So you're probably not going to go for the orgasmatron?
	No.
	Okay.
	Could you imagine that this device would be implanted In an office, for example, or in a hospital setting, and then for this very purpose, and then somebody would go home and have an incredible ability they didn't have before.
	Well, I have to say that, you know, if it sounds like I haven't gathered a lot of facts or information, that's not entirely true.
	The pace of interest in this has been meteoric.
	I bet it has.
	And triggered mostly by the fact that, you know, the fact that the patent being granted was picked up in the news about two weeks ago and then by one magazine and then the pre-release came out about a week ago.
	So you have a full patent on this device?
	Yes.
	That's a lot of power!
	I sure hope so.
	I suppose a lot of money, I would imagine.
	I really hope so.
	Of course you do.
	Can you imagine in your mind, in production, what a device like this might cost to make and then to be installed?
	Well, the pain management devices are designed to be used continuously.
	It costs about $15,000 just for the device itself.
	The devices that I envision, battery power usage is much more efficient if you use it intermittently.
	Batteries are not that great at continuous power.
	The significance of that is that for a device that would only be triggered intermittently, Again, I'm not an engineer, but it's my belief that you could make it smaller and cheaper.
	Smaller and cheaper.
	And so, you know, now what kind of cost savings you get, I honestly don't know.
	A pacemaker can be implanted.
	Yes, as you certainly well know.
	Would you imagine a device of this sort could eventually?
	The current devices are fully implantable.
	Oh, they are?
	Oh my, this is really something you have on your hands then.
	How do you proceed?
	Is this something that will require FDA approval for purpose or is it already approved and could you just then change the purpose?
	Well, from a safety standpoint, the devices are approved for implantation in the human body.
	And I really don't know where the FDA stands on this because You don't necessarily need to implant a device for something that the FDA has approved it for.
	For example, I mentioned earlier using these devices to treat occidental headaches.
	Sure.
	That is not an FDA indication.
	And yet it is something that people can do.
	So then you're probably going to be okay to go ahead with this.
	Well, you really run into two categories.
	Category number one in my mind is somebody with documented orgasmic dysfunction.
	They've been to their gynecologist.
	All the treatable causes have been ruled out.
	And now you're moving forward to treat them in an effort to return them or to bring them
	for the first time up to normal physiologic function.
	That's what I think of when I think of medicine.
	That's what we do.
	There's another category of person who may or may not have a problem.
	I face it, my understanding is that not every man who takes Viagra has impotence.
	Let's face it, we're talking about pure deep pleasure here.
	Right.
	From an ethical standpoint, what do you do with a patient who arrives on your doorstep with cash in hand and says, I want one of these?
	I don't see why it would be not ethical.
	I don't see an ethical problem with it.
	I don't see an ethical problem with it if you adequately inform the patient of what it is they're buying, what the risks and consequences are.
	And, you know, I think I'd put a great deal of effort into documenting that and making sure that they understand where we are in this process.
	Now, I'm not sure what the ethics of a remote control would be because I've been thinking a lot about a remote control.
	That's really captured the press.
	The range on the remote is a few centimeters.
	I mean, it'll reach through the skin, but not much farther than that.
	Oh, well, I can show you how to boost your remote control.
	Is that not so hard?
	I don't know if they're coded to individual devices to avoid crosstalk.
	You have to, in people with pacemakers, You have to pay a lot of attention that you're not affecting the pacemaker.
	If you're going to use a spinal cord stimulant in the same patient, you need to make sure that the two devices are not keyed by the same remote.
	Yeah, that makes absolute sense.
	This device does not Perhaps have as much application in men or do men just not have as much of a problem in this area?
	30% of women over 30 don't orgasm or never do.
	Then what about men?
	Are there any stats about men?
	I don't know.
	I guess you'd be looking at things like ejaculatory incontinence, that sort of thing.
	Frankly, I don't know the statistics on that.
	From the anecdotes in my field, It is effective in men. I personally have never observed it
	in a man.
	So, you know, other than just saying I've heard other people tell me, yes, it works in men.
	That's the best I can do. That...
	Okay, well, most guys would probably say I don't need it anyway.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	So, the main application then would be women, and there's a gigantic application here.
	So, you don't mind saying that you're looking forward to making money on this device?
	No.
	No, I'm not abashed about that at all.
	So, you could be retiring on a sea of orgasms here?
	Yeah.
	And there's worse ways to go?
	Well, you know, I... I...
	Currently as a pain management physician I think that I make a very valuable contribution to people's lives.
	I'm an anesthesiologist as well and that's what I'm on call for right now.
	And those are very important contributions to society.
	This contribution is certainly not something I ever envisioned when I was growing up.
	No, but this is nevertheless, joke as we might about it, it is a big contribution to society.
	I mean a really big one when you think about the size of the problem.
	Well, and also think about relationships. I mean, you know, we have a very high divorce rate.
	I don't know that to what extent sex is responsible or lack of satisfactory sex is responsible for
	everyone's divorce. I mean, there are people who just make their peace with whatever their
	problems are and go on. Oh, sure.
	And but by the same token, you know, you can see where maybe a couple's been together for
	a couple of years and things just aren't as interesting as they used to be. And they just
	kind of drift apart. You know, somehow, I mean, Viagra has that whole, let the dance begin or
	whatever their, their, you know, but that's a male dance.
	Well, I understand that, but what I'm saying is that if you could reignite the flame so that both partners... I think a lot of men are happy if they can satisfy their partners.
	and obviously their partners are happy if they can be satisfied. So if you can reignite that
	mutuality, of course, it can strengthen the relationship.
	And I don't, you know, I say this and out of my mouth, that sounds grandiose, but you know,
	are we, is this potentially making our civilization stronger? I don't know.
	I'd like to think so.
	I would imagine so.
	This is a, I consider this a very serious discovery.
	It brings a lot of things to mind and a lot of smiles and all the rest of it, but below all of that, it really is a very serious discovery.
	And so how do you proceed now?
	Well, we have been, um, Kind of slowly working with the leading manufacturer of the currently existing devices.
	That's a company called Medtronics.
	They've been kind of taken aback by all the publicity surrounding this issue.
	And I honestly don't know where they stand.
	I will say that... Really?
	Not too far back, I hope.
	I don't know.
	I will say that...
	I've worked with that company for many years on the pain management side of it, and they make a top-notch product.
	They have caring people.
	I've been up to visit their facilities, and it's interesting.
	All their workers understand that their product is going to go in one individual human.
	I don't have enough nice things to say about them.
	Since I've been on this media campaign, or blitz, We've had two other manufacturers contact us and we're talking to them too.
	I want to help people certainly.
	I took the time and trouble to take out a patent because this is an entrepreneurial activity for me.
	Of course.
	One important question I guess I should ask before we finish and that is, I think most Americans are familiar with some studies that were done with mice and rats.
	You can give it an opportunity to push a little button to get cocaine.
	I think it was.
	And they would just keep pushing that button until they died.
	I mean, they wouldn't eat.
	They would just keep pushing it until they died.
	How does that cross into the human pleasure centers?
	The studies I'm familiar with, they actually hardwired electrodes into the rat's brain, but the outcome was exactly what you described.
	Any device can be abused.
	You know, one of the recent concerns, we talked about using opiates for chronic pain.
	Sure.
	There's been a lot in the news lately because people are abusing one or the other of these drug delivery devices to get high.
	Right.
	And we talked about the ethics of implanting somebody who does not have a documented problem.
	Personally come down on the side of personal responsibility.
	You know, if this individual is an adult and they're making an informed choice, then they need to live with the consequences.
	Or not.
	I mean, that's a choice we as individuals make.
	And I think it's the individual choice that, again, we're talking about Western civilization here.
	That's the deal.
	Individuals are smarter than centralized planning.
	I couldn't agree more with you.
	I'm a libertarian at heart.
	Now, as a male, without discussion, I have no problem.
	I'm almost jealous.
	I mean, it would be literally a push of a button, wouldn't it?
	Again, we're speculating, but from what I've seen, yes.
	That's remarkable.
	Absolutely remarkable.
	And I think there's going to be an incredible market for this.
	Just absolutely incredible.
	I hope you're right.
	Oh, I think I'm right.
	How many inquiries from just people have come flooding in?
	Forget the press side of it for a second.
	I guess they generated it, but a lot of interest from women?
	Yes.
	I have to say probably one of the nicest things that happened in all this actually happened on the very first day a week ago, Wednesday.
	It seemed like the whole world had my phone number, my secretary's phone number, my home phone number, my PA's, my beeper.
	I mean it was just banana.
	Madness, yes.
	And in the midst of this I was checking my voicemail for the umpteenth time that day And someone called in and said, Dr. Molloy, I'm a private
	citizen.
	I don't represent anybody. I don't want you to call me back.
	I just want to tell you that what you're doing, I think is great and good luck and God bless.
	And I have to say that was a little bit of tranquility and thought in an otherwise frenzied
	atmosphere. And I really, whoever it was, I appreciate it.
	Well, doctor, I would not worry about going forward ethically.
	I don't think you have a problem. I really don't. And I think there's something about
	do no harm. This certainly comes under the category of doing no harm.
	So, I want to thank you for being here tonight.
	Good luck with what you're going to do.
	I'm going to keep track of it, and one of these days I'd love to have you back on again if we could.
	I have to say this is the most intelligent interview I've done yet.
	Thank you, sir.
	Thank you, doctor.
	Good night.
	Okay, good night.
	There must have been some rough interviews out there, I guess.
	Well, I wanted to really know about this, and I thought perhaps you really wanted to know about this, too, so perhaps now you do.
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	I guess better early than late, huh?
	Listen, coming up in a moment is Major Ed Daines, probably one of the most controversial characters you're ever going to meet.
	He was in the military remote viewing program, the military program that lasted for 20 years with taxpayer dollars.
	It was a big secret.
	They had a nightline show.
	They blew the roof off the whole thing on remote viewing a few years ago.
	I remember that show so well with Ted Koppel.
	Ever since, we have been intrigued with, and have been following, remote viewing.
	And I would say Ed Dames probably is the most controversial remote viewer of the whole original bunch.
	In fact, they nicknamed him Dr. Doom for a very good reason.
	And so, whenever I have Ed on, I always issue a warning.
	If this kind of programming makes you nervous, gives you the heebie-jeebies, scares you or
	otherwise affects you negatively, then you should tune out because there's lots of frankly
	less entertaining things, but other things going on on the radio that you can listen
	to and not be scared and or offended.
	So having given that warning coming up in a moment, the amazing Major Ed Daines.
	Ed, hi.
	Hi, Art.
	I'm still stuck out here in the geographical center of the Pacific Ocean.
	Stuck, huh?
	Stuck.
	Tough job, but somebody's got to do it.
	Yeah, I know.
	I think you're on the big island, aren't you?
	I'm on Maui.
	Oh, you're on Maui?
	Yes.
	A former home of yours, if I'm not mistaken.
	That's right.
	I lived on Maui for six months.
	It was a poor choice.
	I was coming back from the island of Okinawa, where I'd spent about 10 years, and I decided to stop on Maui, like I hadn't had enough island punishment, you know.
	I spent six months there, and Maui was not all that developed then, and it was paradise.
	However, after you'd been to the beaches the first 20 or 30 times, or 50 times, there wasn't a lot else.
	Now I understand Maui is quite something.
	Oh yes, very developed.
	The traffic problem is a problem now.
	In fact, I was hit on my bicycle the other day.
	I had some stitches in my hand and the fourth time I had my bicycle totaled two of them here on the island.
	So, I think I'll walk from now on.
	Ed, why were you not able to foresee that and save yourself?
	Split second.
	I need 45 minutes to do a remote viewing session.
	I understand.
	I can't do it on a bicycle.
	But that is the typical kind of question.
	That people ask about remote viewing, and that's because they don't really understand remote viewing.
	They think it's some sort of instant psychic ability, and it is not, right?
	It is not.
	It's a skill, and it takes, it's a skill like mathematics is a skill.
	It's, the ability is innate, but you have to learn the syntax and the grammar for how unconscious, the unconscious segment of our mind communicates to conscious awareness effectively, and that is a skill.
	It was a discovery at first, which at 20 million dollars or so of taxpayers' money and 20 years of research, but it is now a skill.
	I teach, I'm back in the classroom art in Los Angeles and in Hong Kong now.
	I teach in both those places.
	Hong Kong?
	Yes, in China.
	Wow!
	If you recall, I said I was going to teach in China about a year ago.
	And how is all this being received in China?
	Well, the Chinese don't have the prescriptions against, as you know, against things that we would term phenomenological or parapsychological in nature.
	Although I feel that remote feeling is strictly science.
	And it's well received there, as you might guess.
	So how much time are you spending in Hong Kong?
	I'll be there about a month and a half, twice a year.
	Yes, beginning of May.
	So have you been yet?
	Yes.
	Oh, you have.
	All right.
	The last time I was in Hong Kong, Ed, it had not yet gone back to the mainland, and it was a very vibrant city, and I was really curious how much it had changed since it reverted.
	Well, I have friends who are plugged in at the governmental levels, and they've told me the changes that they've experienced.
	My most poignant observation was this, that At the end of the day, when most Chinese business people close their doors and they go and open up another business, they're extremely prodigiously productive.
	Yes, they are.
	Any negative changes that you can report?
	I mean, I remember going up into Communist China, and that was pretty scary stuff.
	You know, guards everywhere, people following you everywhere.
	It was pretty scary.
	It hasn't become like that.
	It's still got a lot of the old Hong Kong left in it.
	Apparently so.
	There were a couple of negative comments about the changeover, about the consequences of the changeover that my friends talked to me about.
	But my wife and I totally enjoyed the city and the people there are very much ready to learn remote viewing.
	It's almost as if something that seems to have to us Westerners its origins or its genesis in the East is being taken back to them.
	Interesting.
	All right.
	Not many minutes, just a couple of minutes.
	You know, we must assume that some people are sitting there listening going, what the hell is remote viewing?
	So, the quick 101 on what remote viewing really is.
	Let me give it to you at a different angle.
	I have a required, this paper that's required reading for one of my courses in the Technical Remote Viewing Institute.
	POV 101 has required reading, and that required reading is a paper that deals with autistic savants.
	Autistic children, some of them are savants.
	Sure.
	And they apparently have knowledge, a great deal of detailed knowledge in subject areas to which they have never been exposed.
	And the knowledge is spontaneous and fast flowing.
	A natural talent.
	It is not only a natural talent.
	The question is big.
	Where are they getting that information if they have never been exposed to it directly or indirectly?
	Oh, right.
	That is a very good way to put it.
	So what's the answer to that?
	Where is that talent or that information coming from?
	The information is in the same place that we, as training remote viewers, get it.
	We call it the matrix.
	We call it the collective unconscious.
	Those children, part of their neocortex, part of their creative thinking process has been shut down and they're shunting directly to this area that their personalities appear to be interested in, in the collective unconscious and downloading information, whether it's musical, artistic, mathematical, and that's what we do as remote viewers except We are taught to have control.
	But in the children you spoke of, there must be a physiological change that occurred to them, or they were born with, or a difference in pathways in the brain, or whatever.
	Something a little physically different, right?
	Oh, absolutely.
	But the point I'm trying to make is that the information They're having to go, they're having to turn their attention to a place in another dimension of mind where this information resides because it isn't in their memories.
	Maybe they're able to access it because of that physical difference and you're able to access it as a learned thing.
	We have to, as normal operating people, we have to learn how to bypass Our thinking mechanism, our creative minds, we have to learn how to get around that and maintain this constant contact with the target and keep our thinking and our creative imagination at bay.
	The autistic savants, that part of their brain is not functioning like ours.
	And they're shunting the creative, time-consuming thinking process.
	Well, I certainly have no doubt in my mind that remote viewing is real after all these years.
	I am absolutely certain it is real.
	to a specific area of it, but they are bypassing thinking, especially creative thinking. We
	have to train ourselves to do what they do. Well, I certainly have no doubt in my mind
	that remote viewing is real after all these years. I am absolutely certain it is real.
	Here is a fax that I got from a police officer. I won't mention his name, nor where, but he
	says, welcome back Art, enjoy catching your broadcast, blah, blah, blah, topics and information
	going to keep me interested while sitting in my patrol car writing reports
	There is certainly a lot to see out there if you take the time to look.
	I've been aware of remote viewings since I first heard it discussed, get this Ed, in a homicide investigation cold case seminar.
	So, I guess Police, a cold case seminar, that would be cases that they've more or less given up on.
	All the leads have gone cold and they have nowhere else to go.
	And so apparently some police agencies utilize remote viewing.
	Is that correct?
	Very few.
	Very few.
	South Florida, Dade County.
	Dade County police in the past have used it, but they're about the only ones that have openly acknowledged using it.
	Maybe that's the key, openly.
	Yes.
	As you know, if you look on my institute's website, you'll see our Operation GoldenEye, and that deals with one specific case where we were approached by the chief investigator, a police officer, on a case to find a missing child.
	Unfortunately, we were not fast enough, And now we're homing in on the child's killer.
	This child, a 15-year-old girl, was abducted a year ago.
	Leah Freeman in Coquille, Oregon.
	And our job as remote viewers now defines her killer.
	And we have narrowed it down to the killer's workplace.
	It took a lot of work, a lot of work, to do that.
	A lot of specialized techniques that we teach our advanced students.
	And now we're homing in on the individual, his workplace.
	It's a single individual, a man.
	Have you ever worried, Ed, you know, I hear you are saying this and I'm thinking if I'm the killer out there listening to this program right now and Ed Dames is saying he's got it down to where I work, I've got to perhaps think that I've got to go see Ed Dames.
	Well, if someone like that would do me in or threaten me, you've got other very... Remember, we've been around a while now.
	My institute's been around.
	We've got some pretty talented, very skilled remote viewers.
	I'm putting my first teachers on the streets this year.
	They will be able to pick up where I left off after I've met my hypothetical demise.
	But something like that is not possible, or is possible.
	You've got to at least consider it, don't you?
	Having been a military officer, it's...
	Those kinds of things are really not something we worry about as former soldiers or police officers.
	It's not something that we worry about day to day.
	It's conceivable.
	And now our focus is to find the evidence because it is not good enough for us to be on the ground as we will be with the police officer and say, there's your man right there.
	We need to be able to find the evidence otherwise we don't have a case and they can't prosecute and this person will still be, this animal will still be out on the streets.
	So our task is also to remote view location of evidence and in this case we know where there is a piece of evidence and I'm not going to talk about that.
	But I will say we have pinpointed the individual's workplace and that was a trick because we had the whole man on his When we want to look for the individual's workplace, unfortunately this worker was a construction worker, and so was in a number of different workplaces at any given week.
	And it took us a while to realize that we were making a mistake.
	We should be looking for the employer.
	When we honed in on the employer, we were able to say, oh, we have a construction company here.
	And then we sketched the symbol for the construction company, and we were able to deduce Which company that was in Southern Oregon.
	And our information is on our website.
	Remote viewing can be done singly or perhaps more effectively in a group.
	Isn't that right?
	Far more effectively in a group.
	Far more effectively.
	Far more effectively.
	By what percentage?
	Oh, you can bring the speed.
	If I were to spend all of my time on a murder case, It would take me a minimum of six months to home in on let's say a killer or a group of killers locations, present location and then that's without even remote viewing the evidence.
	Whereas with a team of four to six trained remote viewers and you don't want more than that because then you have too much data to analyze.
	With a team of four to six people I could do the same amount of work in six weeks or less.
	And the reliability factor when you use that many people?
	Well, when you have that many people and you're working independent of each other, and then you inject controls where these targets are run blind initially, where part of the remote viewing team has no idea what the target is.
	This is what they've been taught to do.
	They're unconscious.
	They've been taught to do all the work.
	Then you're running upwards of 100%.
	That's one area of work.
	That is a very high average.
	Yes, that's why we can go, we know when we say this is the work site that this is the
	work site, the killer's work site.
	That's one area of work.
	I asked you, I don't know when we scheduled the program, everybody in the country who
	knows about this kind of thing is dying of curiosity about this thing they call it or
	Ginger which is advertised by some pretty high profile people as not being a scam, not
	being a joke, something that will change society, something that entire communities will be
	built around.
	There's been a lot of speculation that it's some sort of personal transportation device, but nobody knows and they're not going to tell.
	The inventor is not going to tell.
	You have done a session on this, haven't you?
	Several.
	Were you doing this out of curiosity prior to my call?
	Yes, we were curious.
	We like challenges in the business and we like to take breaks from finding child murderers because that can wear you thin in my business.
	So this is a nice thing.
	We do this not to steal the technology because it would be stealing.
	These people work a long time and devote a lot of their lives to coming up with something new.
	I want to reveal what it is without revealing the technology behind it, which is theft.
	To reveal what it is will point out how powerful technical remote viewing is as a tool and what the world might be without secrets.
	Well, do you know when it's going to be revealed?
	No.
	You don't?
	No, but I do know what it is.
	I understand.
	I'm wondering how long we're going to have to wait to find out if you're right.
	According to Open Source Publications, it's 2002 next year.
	So we're going to have to wait about a year or more?
	Again, if one were to believe Open Source Publications, yes.
	Is it a good thing?
	Yes, it's a wonderful thing.
	Why did you give the name Dr. Doom very briefly?
	My job, the hat, one of the hats I wore in the Office of Secretary of Defense levels in intelligence was to brief the presidential staff and the National Security Council and the heads of the DIA and CIA on exotic weapons and potential weapons of mass destruction that were the result of new technologies Mostly in the Soviet Union, in some cases the Soviet Union, in some cases China.
	So for instance, what might a new discovery of a particle beam weapon, what kind of a threat would that pose on a future battlefield?
	What kind of a threat would genetic engineering in terms of biological warfare pose on a battlefield?
	Those kinds of things were what I looked at and then made the decision myself whether or not to target these specific facilities and programs using intelligent
	sources and methods.
	My job was also to brief and when many of these unpleasant techniques of death and destruction
	were briefed at the White House, that's when I got that moniker, my nom de guerre.
	Somebody gave you that moniker at the White House?
	Yes, a presidential staff member gave me that.
	All right, doctor, hold on a moment.
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	Good morning, everybody.
	Let me give you an idea of what's coming up on future shows.
	Tomorrow night is going to be open lines with the exception of the first 30 minutes.
	Linda Moulton Howe has a A scientific report on our landing on an asteroid, the most incredible landing, that'll be 10 to 10.30, or in the first half hour of the show for other time zones, followed by open lines.
	And we're going to talk about entities tomorrow night.
	I am now getting flooded with reports of people who work around MRI machines, MRI technicians, suddenly willing to come forward and talk about the fact that they see entities.
	They've seen things disappear.
	They've seen a lot of anomalous occurrence around MRI machines which have gigantic electromagnetic fields.
	So, we're going to talk in general about entities tomorrow night.
	Those who have dealt with them and have seen them.
	That'll be in open lines and that'll be all but the first 30 minutes of the program.
	The following night, Thursday, is going to be Consumed by, in the first hour, Richard C. Hoagland on the new pictures of Mars, the face and more, actually more, followed by a man I had on toward the end of my last reign, David Anderson, Dr. David Anderson, who's president of Time Travel Research Center and Association.
	And you know the way I feel about time travel.
	He's actually doing experiments In time travel, so he'll be quite a fellow to talk to.
	Then, on Friday, we're going to speak with Dr. Melvin Morse, who has written a book about near-death experiences, and actually may have some tapes for us on patients that he's been associated with.
	He'll have a lot to say about that.
	Next Monday, it'll be Don Ecker, who publishes UFO Magazine, and he's got some new pictures of the moon that will rock you back, and I'm certainly looking forward to that, Don Ecker.
	It's been a long time since I've talked to Don Ecker.
	So, we will do that, and let me keep going here, just to give you an idea.
	Then, the next night, on Tuesday, we will talk with Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeef from the Let me see, what are they?
	The Ghost Investigators Society.
	The Ghost Investigators Society.
	And they're going to have electronic voice tapes for us.
	As a matter of fact, they're making up a special version of a CD with voices from beyond the grave that they actually have recorded.
	We'll have about 20 or 30 tracks for you.
	The night after that is Dr. Lorraine Day, and she'll be here talking about mad cow disease and what she has written About Mad Cow Disease scares the hell out of me.
	She wrote me a fax saying the following, saying, Art, great to have you back.
	Art, there's another big cover-up going on, and that's the Mad Cow Epidemic, listen to this, and its related forms in pigs, sheep, chickens, and so forth.
	Which, she says, will make AIDS seem like a day at the beach.
	And she goes on, but it's pretty scary stuff.
	Mad Cow Disease, Dr. Lorraine Day, well qualified to talk about it.
	Then on Thursday, a kind of a different show.
	It should be very, very interesting for a lot of you out there.
	I know a lot of you are hams or see beers or in some way have a license to operate something or another from the Federal Communications Commission.
	Raleigh Hollingsworth, who is the enforcer at the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission, has agreed to be a guest.
	And I'm going to be honored to have him here.
	So that's what's coming up.
	But in a moment, Major Ed Dames, the single most controversial remote viewer I think in the world, is going to tell us what IT is.
	Here's a little information for you.
	Next week on Friday, I am now adding, I've had so many requests, that next week Friday, we will do Ghost to Ghost AM once again.
	That's next week.
	So that maps out the remainder of this week and next week for you.
	Just one more item.
	I know I'm holding Ed and holding you all up here, but Keith has returned to the website all of the UFO and alien photographs that we have collected over the years.
	They are back there as of tonight.
	So if you've never seen that collection, I think perhaps we have one of the best collections in the world of UFO photographs and alien photographs, and it's back up on the website as of right now.
	Because www.artbell.com, also up there, some pictures.
	Bob, Bob, when I came back on the air, first night back on the air, Bob and Sue Crane went up to the network, get this, to take photographs of the technicians doing whatever they were doing and the staff up at Medford as the button was pushed and I came back on the air.
	This guy takes a six-hour trip in his car to take a photograph of somebody throwing a switch.
	Anyway, those photographs are up there and it's more than just throwing a switch.
	He got the whole staff, or a large portion of the staff, in photographs as well as his own wife, Sue.
	So those photographs are a whole bunch of new stuff on the website at www.artbell.com right now.
	Most importantly, this giant collection of UFO photographs and alien photographs that I think really, I guess with as many years as we have been doing it, has no No real competitor.
	I mean, there are websites, but I'll tell you, we've got some good stuff.
	All right, once again, here is Major Ed Dames.
	Ed?
	I'm back.
	Welcome back, indeed you are.
	All right, I hate holding people in too much suspense, so you remote-viewed it or Ginger, what is it?
	What do you think it is, Art?
	My best guess?
	You know, I've actually got it written down here.
	If I can find it.
	It's way back in my stuff.
	But I think that it's a personal transportation... Alright, here it is.
	I just found it.
	Let me read you what I think it is.
	It stands for Inductance Transportation Vehicle.
	A neat little mobile gadget that may eliminate the need for cars in the future.
	However, if there are a large number of vehicles operating in the same area, it does require magnetic tracks to be installed to prevent the possibility of collisions of magnetic
	interference with other ITs.
	The breakthrough technology that runs the IT is GINGER, the Geomagnetic Inductance Neutralizing Gasoline Engine
	Replacement.
	This clean, quiet, inexpensive engine will be the real moneymaker whether the IT becomes popular or not.
	IT could be used extensively in defense, shipping, and many other industries.
	So that's the best explanation I've seen for IT, or the one I liked when I read it.
	But there's a million of them.
	What's yours?
	It is indeed a personal transportation apparatus.
	Really?
	Yes, it is.
	You hold on to it, and it goes.
	It takes you.
	It's very quiet.
	There's a whirring noise.
	It almost moves like a... There are parts of it that flex, and parts of it that look like a slinky when it moves.
	It's like an amusement park ride, but it's unrestrained.
	It's extremely stable.
	You can't drop it like a motorcycle, as if it's gyro-stabilized.
	Do you see whether you sit on it or whether you stand on it?
	You can do either.
	It depends on how you make it.
	It can be made either way.
	But once you turn it on, it's extremely stable.
	It's like riding a boat.
	It has a gyroscope and a yoyo.
	Very, very stabilized and very quiet.
	Does it move on the ground or does it levitate in some manner?
	Actually, we didn't look at it that closely, but there's a possibility that it does come off the ground at times like a hovercraft.
	But we didn't want to look anymore because we felt that we were starting to infringe upon the actual engineering.
	And you know, just because we have a specialized skill, it doesn't mean that our ethics go out the window.
	Is it as revolutionary as the hype is advertising?
	I think it is.
	I think that it is.
	Essentially, it's not the coup d'etat necessarily to the combustion engine, but it's the beginning of the end for the combustion engine.
	Well, there needs to be a beginning of the end for the combustion engine.
	I think we would all agree with you on that.
	So that we don't have, you know, the beginning of the end if it has not already yet begun.
	Yes.
	So, it is a personal transportation device, no question about that.
	And it's very neat.
	It's extremely neat looking.
	It is... Can you give me... You'll drop your jaw when you see it.
	Can you describe it?
	Beyond that, I mean, physically, does it look like a scooter?
	I've seen pictures on the web of a little single... It depicts this single-wheeled scooter, and it's hard to imagine how that would be stable, but I've seen those photographs.
	It doesn't look like a... In that regard, it does not look like a scooter.
	It's fatter, much fatter, and it has an ingenious number of parts, Engineering Park.
	It has torsion bars, things like springs, and again it has this winky-like motion as it moves along.
	Very quiet.
	The whirr and the whirr falls off, the whirr picks up again, that kind of thing, like a flywheel, that, that, just translating energy into, into, into the wheels, into the movement.
	They advertised that entire communities might be built around this thing, this it.
	Does that seem logical to you?
	I think if you take a community that is very environmentally oriented, that they would plan to have tracks where these kinds of things would run on as people movers.
	Yes, that would make sense.
	Tracks, tracks, tracks.
	All right.
	All right, so there it is, and I guess we'll have to wait and see.
	I want to hark back to 20 years ago.
	When when I did this as a spy our job was to to take things like this that that Potential enemies were making right as if these were let's say a hypothetical of weapons Then our job as a military team will be to essentially take this thing apart at a remote and using remote viewing To disassemble it and reverse engineer it and take it apart and see how it works to see if the bad guys I use the term loosely had scooped us and developed a technology that really could
	be used against us in weapons form.
	But that in peacetime is called industrial espionage and that is not what the Technical
	Remote Viewing Institute does. I understand, ethically wrong. Yes. But at least we've got
	a little picture. I'm trying to picture in my mind a slinky and how that would apply to a
	personal transportation vehicle. That's why...
	That's why you'll laugh when you see it.
	It is the darnedest thing.
	It is the darnedest thing.
	It is unique.
	It's almost like an insect when you look at it.
	And I think that's what makes people laugh.
	An insect, huh?
	Yes, it moves like an insect.
	Alright.
	Alright, let's cover some fairly sexy ground here.
	UFOs.
	I have been talking about observing and interested in UFOs for all the years that I've been
	doing this program and that's now a lot of years.
	I know that you have looked at UFOs.
	It's such a broad sweeping term, I know, but basically, Ed, what are these things that we see in our
	skies?
	They seem undeniably alien.
	From using applied remote viewing for many, many years, years.
	Even before remote viewing came to the fore, military team members used altered states to collect intelligence.
	And some of those altered state sessions were used to look at anomalies at military bases, anomalies associated with what we call UFOs.
	Sure.
	After all that is said and done, it appears that not all of these objects, or in certain cases they're not objects themselves, they're artifacts of propulsion.
	What we see with our visual range, and of course humans are bandwidth limited, we can only process a certain amount of sensory input.
	That's right.
	What we see is not the thing itself, it's a projection like you would, it would be a The reflection of a searchlight on a layer of clouds.
	We would see this big spot on clouds and think it's a thing, a vehicle.
	Because that's the best that we could do.
	After all these years, it looks like some of these solid objects, apparently solid, are moving in time.
	Almost every validated remote-viewing case that we have in our fieldwork, I've led some field expeditions to hot spots in the American Southwest, where we have first remote-viewed locations and then gone there on the ground, the same way we would find a criminal.
	These expeditions have led us to believe that we're dealing with something that's moving through our window in time.
	We see it momentarily and it's gone.
	Boy, does that make sense.
	I mean, it really does.
	Beyond that, we're pushing, we, I, at least speaking for myself, I have pushed the envelope of Applied Technical Remote Viewing about as far as it will go on any number of different things.
	You name it, Loch Ness Monster, Phenomenology, Enigma.
	Tangentially, the Loch Ness Monster is a good example.
	It's a dinosaur ghost.
	A dinosaur ghost?
	Yes, we as humans... A DINOSAUR ghost!
	It is!
	It is actually, uh, it's not just people or ghosts.
	This is a dinosaur ghost.
	It has an electromagnetic light signature.
	My God, why have I never thought of that?
	A dinosaur ghost.
	That thing does look like a dinosaur after all, doesn't it?
	It is, and it has an electromagnetic and a light signature.
	You can photograph it when it appears.
	It's transient and ephemeral.
	It's almost etheric.
	An etheric natural phenomenon.
	Like a ghost.
	That has no mass.
	Like a ghost.
	And it's a ghost, yes.
	It's a dinosaur ghost.
	I've never heard anybody say that before.
	That's a wonderful explanation for Nessie.
	Well, it's a good reason to learn remote viewing.
	I'll give you a better reason later.
	Really?
	That's a pretty good one as far as I'm concerned.
	What I'm running into, and what is of interest to me of late, is the limitations of mind, because that's where technical remote viewing operates, in the mind.
	Alright, I'm still not quite done with UFOs.
	Moving in time, that makes sense to me.
	I'm still on that point.
	Alright.
	The point is that we're reaching some limitations here in terms of our human hardware.
	As humans, we have certain constraints. I told you about the way we process
	information. We're bandwidth limited. We have five normal senses, a sixth sense that we utilize to
	train remote viewers. But it doesn't appear that all those senses, all that apparatus is good
	enough to be able to comprehend some...
	I'll just touch on it. I'll get behind me. I know that. But it's also...
	We have the wonderful insight in any information pattern in space that in and of itself is very limited.
	That there's much more than these patterns of information that we've been receiving that is not knowable.
	Because we as humans do not have the wherewithal, the hardware, and the software to process the information.
	And some of these classes of enigma, including some classes of UFOs, appear to meet that criteria, where something may be penetrating or intruding or extruding from another dimension.
	And because we have never evolved within that dimension and have had no need to process information
	of a very different kind.
	No point of reference for it.
	There's no point of reference, there's no baseline, there's no common denominator to speak of,
	and therefore these will always be enigmatic to human beings.
	The best that we could do, in my mind, is to design a machine to penetrate these other dimensions
	and then come back and attempt to put that in terms that a human could possibly comprehend,
	whether it's a metaphor or a point of reference.
	So in other words, once they gave you the baseline information at what you were trying to see
	and look at, then you could go and see it.
	Come here.
	I'm not sure if all you are.
	Well, in other words, you said create a machine that would penetrate this other dimension, gather information about this other dimension, and bring you back sort of a baseline of information from which you could begin to remote view, so you'd understand what you're going after.
	No.
	No?
	No.
	What I'm saying is that remote viewing is not good enough because it's a tool of the mind, and our mind is an adjunct of the way that mind is.
	Mind is unitary.
	The reason that we can remote view is because our brains are processing information that come from this mind field, which is a unitary field.
	We call it the matrix of the collective unconscious.
	But, even though these other patterns of information about other dimensions may be part of this matrix, we do not have the wiring in our brains to comprehend what we're remote viewing.
	Here's a good example, an angel.
	Yes.
	Whatever an angel is, and there have been a lot of remote viewing history looking at this class of phenomena, of entities, it does appear to be a real intelligent entity, this thing that humans call angels.
	Okay?
	Yes, okay.
	But we are not able to sketch one, no matter what we do.
	No remote viewer has ever been able to perceive the form of an angel, at all.
	Maybe they don't have form.
	Well, if they have a form, it's not anything that we can comprehend.
	And if they don't have a form, do they take up space?
	We're getting into some real problematic areas here.
	But if they have intelligence, do they occupy space?
	If something occupies space, then it normally has a form.
	If it normally has a form, we can comprehend some aspects of it.
	Right, but it could easily be so far out of our frame of reference.
	You and I are saying the same thing.
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	Yeah, okay, alright.
	Hold on right there, Ed.
	We're at the top of the hour already.
	Angels, that's kind of an interesting topic.
	I guess they're in disease, right?
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	All right.
	Now, don't ask me why I like it so much, but the Loch Ness Monster, a ghost of a dinosaur.
	That one really makes sense, doesn't it?
	The Loch Ness Monster is a ghost of a dinosaur.
	I'll not forget that soon.
	All right, Ed, welcome back.
	Thank you. Just a second more on UFOs. You say they move in time, and I've heard you say that before, and it makes all
	the sense to me because they seem to appear and disappear, and that's what they would do if they were moving in time.
	But can you... First of all, I've always thought the governments out of their minds on UFOs were obviously being
	lied to.
	The very least UFOs are, no matter what they are, is a threat to national security.
	Obviously, a sensible position says most, or even a good percentage of them, are test aircraft, sighting the planets, all sorts of things that people see that they somehow attribute to something from somewhere else.
	Would you say conclusively that some of them are from either another time or another place?
	In other words, within them, do you sense entities that are not human?
	In some cases, yes.
	In some cases, there are distinctly different humanoid-looking entities.
	But in most cases, in most of the sightings of UFOs in the last, oh, I'd say, Fifteen years, at least in my experience, many of those particular sightings were radar signature vehicles, what's called vehicle for lack of a better word, has been on and off the screen.
	There were, human beings look very similar to you and I in those, inside of those objects.
	But the important one is... And it's what they are doing that's very interesting.
	Very interesting, because the majority of the sightings that the military team, when I was the operations officer and training officer for the military remote viewing team, I slipped a lot of these targets in as training targets.
	Yes, I know.
	Probably much to the dismay of whoever was running all that.
	Much to the dismay and the chagrin of them, except That the person that was running it, a very high-level civilian, whose name I will not mention at this time, was keenly interested in those objects.
	You know, how could you not be, Ed?
	I mean, how long can you spend looking at foreign missile silos, gas canisters in Iraq?
	Eventually, you've got the ability to get the answers to these larger questions.
	It would be irresistible.
	It's not our job, though.
	We were not being paid by the taxpayers of the United States to do this.
	Now, I don't know how many times I've said that and people just refuse to believe it, but when you're wearing a uniform and you're paid tax dollars to do a job, whether or not you're interested in something is your business, personal interest.
	And you might be able to do this on off-duty time with the capability, especially if you're a remote viewer.
	But you can't use, let's say, an F-111 to go take a look at your favorite fishing lakes in Canada.
	It's been done, though, Ed, you know, it's been done.
	Yeah, actually, generals who go on shopping trips, I'm aware of that.
	But the fact is that there was not that much time that we could get away with to look at it.
	And when we did, we noticed That the majority of incidents where we were able to track a solid vehicle somewhere before it disappeared, using remote viewing techniques and methods, these people inside, I'll call them people, inside of these boxes in the sky, were hovering above nuclear weapons storage depots, nuclear submarines, nuclear reactors,
	They were keeping track and seemed to have a tally of every single nuclear weapon on this planet.
	Constantly.
	That certainly is interesting.
	It goes beyond that.
	There was an intervention, too.
	Would you like for me to talk about the intervention?
	I certainly would, but I want to just preface it with the fact that we all know, and we've heard the reports, it was on major media, that objects hovered above our silos in the Dakotas and
	elsewhere and turned off ICBMs.
	They did that, Ed. We know they did that. So is that the intervention you were about to speak of?
	More than that.
	More than that?
	More than that.
	Go right ahead.
	Yes, there were incidents outside that we looked at that I used the military remote
	viewing team to look at incidents outside of storage depots in Socorro, New Mexico and other
	places where the old, now superannuated weapons technologies, nuclear weapons warheads, where the
	targeting codes were zeroized by a glowing object that had, where the physical security of a
	bunker, a storage bunker, was not violated.
	But the weapon itself that was programmed to land on Minsk or Kiev or wherever the target might be, that map was gone.
	It was erased, degaussed, so to speak.
	Degaussed?
	So to speak, yeah.
	The codes were not there, so that if you bolted that weapon onto a missile, it would go up and come straight back down because all the instructions of where to go were gone.
	So, yes, that would be a national defense security breach, I would think.
	It sure would.
	And there would be, I would think, extremely concerned with, if we didn't do it as an experiment ourselves, then who the hell did?
	Well, our first thought was, of course, it was the Russians.
	Of course.
	And when we realized, after studying this, actually, who would study this?
	Well, in this case, it would be an Air Force colonel who was the physical security officer at a particular installation.
	You would be tasked with, Colonel, what the heck was that?
	That's right.
	And that's how the investigation would start, and it would go uphill from there.
	Well, in the end, when those cases are adjudicated, it's deemed not to be the Russians, and so it's dropped, because it's not understood.
	And do you think that extends now to the entire response of our government to the whole UFO question, since it's not understood, since they can't do anything about it, they just don't talk about it?
	There's lots of incidences recorded on satellite photography of these kinds of things and enigmatic glowing objects that do appear to have a shape, a symmetry.
	But because the government can't explain them, and in most cases we can't report these, the intelligence community cannot, because it would give away what the platforms were looking at and of course the technologies that were used to capture this image or this electronic signal.
	But more than that, any government, or any scientific establishment even, that pretends to be the leaders of a people or a society, is not going to say, I don't know.
	That's one mantra you do not chant to the people.
	I don't know, as a leader of a country.
	And so, the answer to the new President of the United States, each time we have a new one, when he asks this question, is, we don't know what they are.
	Usually it's on the Air Force Journal saying that.
	Because we don't.
	But it goes beyond that.
	What the American public does not know, and this is the first time that they'll find out, right now, tonight.
	Go right ahead.
	There's an intervention that has occurred.
	Very, very strange intervention.
	And I'm going to get into what this might mean after I talk about it.
	This would be very highly classified, wouldn't it?
	At one time it was extremely highly classified.
	Extremely highly classified.
	And I'll pick one particular issue here so I don't get myself thrown in the slammer.
	Do you remember the Trident missile program?
	Sure.
	Remember the United States, in order to achieve the correct balance of terror,
	we had this triad system?
	Yes.
	The triad system in the 60s was a system of triads.
	We could deliver nuclear weapons in force to a belligerent using B-52s,
	submarine-launched ballistic missiles, submarine-launched missiles,
	and land-based missiles.
	Right. And none of that has changed.
	I mean, we really still can do all of that.
	Well, it's changed, but the changes are classified.
	Okay.
	Okay. So in those days, that's the deal.
	Well, anyway, the Navy was very excited about their Trident missile program
	back in the 60s.
	And it worked really well when they tested it.
	The Russians were extremely anxious about the Trident Missile Program.
	Because they could not... At that time, the Russians were not capable of achieving a balance of terror.
	This Trident Missile Program was throwing the balance offside, putting Americans And getting Americans the upper hand.
	Well, even as far back as the Cuban Missile Crisis, we're now led to understand that President Kennedy had information indicating the Russians were not prepared to enter a nuclear war.
	They simply were not prepared.
	And so he used that as the edge to the world.
	It looked as though they backed down, and of course they did.
	But he was only able to push that bluff because he had information indicating they couldn't do what they said they could do.
	Not true.
	Not true?
	That's not true.
	That is not true.
	The reason is that there's a whole set, a whole history there that may or may not ever come to light, but that particular scenario is a good one.
	It's just as good as anything else, but there was a smaller incident that happened that really was up the balance, the threshold levels where Where Bobby Kennedy was actually implemental on this.
	Bobby Kennedy was the one that convinced the Russians.
	There wasn't a calling the Russians bluff.
	The Russians really didn't think that John Kennedy was serious.
	Because there was no really direct communication.
	between the two leaders.
	Bobby Kennedy provided the middleman, was the middleman for that.
	That's another story.
	I do think that's right.
	That's another story.
	What I want to say... Intervention, yeah, let's get to the intervention.
	The Navy was very, was flummoxed because a lot, some of their missiles, some of their submarine launch missile tests were failing again and again.
	Missile was coming up out, was working fine out of the submarine, But the tests weren't going well after that.
	A thousand feet out of the tube, and the missile punches, breaks the surface of the water, and then about a thousand feet later, it has some real problems.
	Every time.
	Well, that's not all that was there out of the water, this tube, this missile.
	There was a glowing object.
	many many times for about oh upwards of a half a second it was a glowing object
	that sometimes satellites would pick up during these missile tests US test
	you're exploring object near these these sonar these these submarine launch
	missiles you're kidding no no no Bob Ed where did you learn this can you say
	well don't forget what I did for a living I'm not forgetting what you did for a living.
	The Navy and others, the Department of Defense, you know, was at the wit's end trying to figure out what was going on and thought that maybe there might be something between this coincidental glowing thing and the failed test.
	Oh, you bet.
	It did a problem to us, to the Military Remote Tuning Team.
	Yes.
	And indeed, there was a connection.
	Yes, because this glowing thing that only appeared momentarily was in fact one of these vehicles with these humans in it.
	Humans from another time.
	Earth's future.
	So they were back around screwing with our submarine launch missile tests?
	Yes, and do you know why?
	No, I don't.
	Because the Russians had not yet caught up to us.
	The balance wasn't there, and that may have resulted in one of two things.
	Either the United States saying, we can now launch a first strike and win, or the Russians becoming so frightened that they out of fear, they respond.
	And so you're telling me there was intervention from the future, that they were humans from the future, intervening to slow up or stop our missile tests, or flummox them to the point where they were suspended and the balance of power had an opportunity to regain balance.
	There is a control system that is doing that, and it's doing it again.
	I was remote viewing last week, you know?
	Yes.
	It's doing it again.
	What it is now looking at is, and I did not know this exists, there's a very secret installation in the United States, and I wouldn't say where it is, but it's a very big ground-based directed energy weapon as part of this new uh... a bm the son of star wars anti-ballistic missile
	shield i think i'm aware of it
	it is a destabilizing at the time program was in the sixties and we've got
	it already to do the dam dams directing again well in a similar fashion
	i've got some video in other words the test
	i'm not going to work if the if this control system out there
	is watching this carefully because the russians are very afraid of this rightly so so
	they're just Rightly so, I would say too.
	Listen, Ed, I have a videotape of one of our shuttle flights in which it's obvious the cameraman directing the external cameras were looking at a spot on Earth at a certain time, expected to see something, Zoomed in, waited, which they had not done before, and bigger than hell, Ed, this ball of what looks like plasma takes off from Earth about a zillion miles an hour.
	It was obviously some kind of test that they were monitoring, and I have that on videotape.
	That's the kind of weapon you're probably talking about.
	You're telling me that there's intervention going on again to slow this up or to stop it?
	I'm telling you that the same control system, elements of which messed with the U.S.
	Trident program, is now seriously considering doing the same thing to this brand new installation that I remote-tuned last week.
	And you think this is to achieve or to allow the balance to be regained once again?
	Same reason, another motivation?
	Correct.
	Affirmative.
	Wow!
	Boy, I'll tell you this, Ed.
	Even if you sit here and say, that just can't be true.
	Some of the stuff you say is just the most interesting stuff.
	The Loch Ness Monster is a dinosaur ghost.
	And now, intervention to allow the balance to be reached, to get the balance of terror.
	It makes so much sense.
	That is the kind of intervention, I suppose, one might do.
	If you could not directly intervene, you would do that if you really wanted to keep things going down here when they might not otherwise.
	There is, I think Jacques Vallée was really the first person who, as a non-remote viewer, a non-professional remote viewer, was able to deduce that this was going on, that something like this was going on, that there was something that was steering human society, the trajectory of culture and societies, something in the background that occasionally intervened when it had to.
	Wow!
	Now, I don't know what the criteria are.
	You would opt for believing it to be humans from the future, which validates the concept of time travel, of course, as opposed to aliens.
	Or do you not make that distinction?
	I do make the distinction.
	Using remote viewers to sketch the humanoids inside of these glowing spheres, they are
	not really glowing spheres, that is just what the images pick up in photography.
	They are actually moving so fast and they can do whatever they need to do so rapidly.
	They are picked up, in the old days they were only picked up on two frames of photography,
	I can't tell you how fast the camera went in those days, even now it is classified,
	they were picked up on two frames, but in remote viewing you can stop time, take as
	much time as you want to sketch something and go inside of these particular vehicles
	and they were vehicles at the time, and sketch the faces and the bodies of these people and
	they are not alien, they are humans, they are people.
	They look a little bit different than us in some ways, but not much, and they do, and
	they do take, when they take off again, and they move and they land, they are landing
	Can you give me a little hint, or do you know anything about the nature of time itself in the sense that if these future humans were trying to maintain the balance of terror so that Earth would survive, if they failed in their mission and Earth did not survive, would that virtually mean they blink out?
	Do we know that much about time?
	I am a simple man, and even the thought of all that gives me a headache.
	I don't know.
	Well, that's a fair answer.
	I don't know.
	Do you think you understand anything at all about the nature of time, since you are able to penetrate it forward or in reverse to look at things?
	You've shown that many times.
	I know that mind is the idea of mind, our own mind.
	for instance, there are personal minds that are outside of time, remote feeling is outside
	of time. And it appears that there is a part of us, one mind called the soul, that is outside
	of time. And other than that, I really push in terms of my own comprehension, I really
	push the envelope in trying to grasp anything more than that.
	All right.
	When we get back, I want to ask about one of your predictions.
	So stay right where you are.
	It was a prediction about the mother's milk.
	Do you all remember that?
	Prediction about Mother's Milk?
	Well, there may be a connection to something going on now in the world.
	I know that you have, cause there's magic in my eyes.
	I can be for miles and miles and miles and...
	And maybe more than miles, maybe across time.
	Because there really is no time with remote viewing.
	We'll be right back.
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	you're gonna...
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	were open all night long.
	How would you like to feel, uh, oh I don't know, ten years younger
	in a matter of ten weeks?
	Thanks.
	Do you believe it can happen?
	It can.
	She did some liners for me, Ed.
	It's funny, when she did the liner, we gave her the usual line from the high desert in the great American southwest.
	and maggie couple writers and she said if you listen carefully from the desert
	of the sea and we thought that was just cute at first
	then we began getting all kinds of uh... taxes and email saying hey art you know
	desert used to be
	a c that's really true of you
	You can find fossils here indicating the water indeed covered the area that is now seemingly very arid in the area where I live, near Area 51.
	And it is a desert, but it used to be a sea.
	And so out of the mouths of babes, the desert of the sea... Ed, do children sometimes sort of unintentionally grasp those things?
	They say the damnedest things.
	With them from the mouths of babes?
	Yeah.
	I guess Neil Young had it backwards.
	The ocean is a desert with its life on the ground and the perfect disguise above.
	I want to ask you about a prediction that you made.
	It was a dire prediction indeed.
	I want to ask you about a prediction that you made and it was a dire prediction indeed.
	Something about cows milk and mothers milk and babies dying.
	You saw a lot of babies dying.
	You saw a lot of things happening.
	And I don't want to put any words in your mouth, but it crashed in on me today when I read Dr. Lorraine Day's little preface to her coming on the program.
	She said, along with a lot of other things, there's an epidemic, a pandemic, which is going to occur that's going to make AIDS seem like a day at the beach.
	And what she's talking about is mad cow disease.
	Now, it's already horrendous in Europe, as we know.
	From what I've heard, and Dr. Day may change my mind, but it's not here in the U.S.
	yet.
	Maybe.
	It occurred to me that the mad cow disease thing had certain parallels to what you were talking about.
	With regard to the immune system, and babies, and milk, and all of that sort of rang a bell for me earlier today.
	And I said, I wonder if there's any relationship between the two.
	Ed?
	I don't want to muddy the waters or make this any more complex than it should be by bringing in a bunch of biochemistry and biotechnological terms.
	I'm going to make it really simple.
	Okay.
	As early as 1984, in the military team, We were seeing and looking at remote viewing being used as sort of an over-the-horizon radar.
	Advanced, distant, early warning of things coming.
	Right.
	Because it can be used for that, particularly for singularities.
	Things that could never be predicted because there's nothing in a database to even point in that direction.
	as early as 1984, the team members were describing, including myself, milk that babies were drinking
	and they were dying. And since 84, as a remote viewer, I've been looking at this particular
	phenomenon in the collective unconscious mind. What is this?
	And basically, it is a future event that was picked up as early as 1984 where worldwide,
	particularly in the lesser developed countries, many, many, many infants were dying in
	their mother's arms because they were drinking cow's milk.
	Now, we didn't know what the cause was.
	Actually, we still don't know.
	We have not really looked at what the cause is in terms of a virus or whatever.
	This would seem to be a good candidate.
	I think that there's no need to look any further.
	I think that that warning is good enough.
	Mothers, don't give your children, at least mothers in the future, at some point in the future, and that point may be starting right now, do not feed your children cow's milk.
	Feed them soy milk or mother's milk, but not cow's milk, because cow's milk in the future, as far as we're concerned, I still stand by this.
	I'll put my institute's reputation on the line and my own reputation on the line.
	What's left of it is this.
	It is the most dire and the most important and most significant over-the-horizon prediction and forecast that I have ever had in my business.
	That cow's milk is going to kill a lot of babies because there's something in the milk That is ostensibly damaging the immune system, or that the immune system in these children cannot take, and it's killing them.
	That's absolutely consistent with what you've always said.
	Really, it's very serious, Art.
	I think it is, too.
	Because milk is used as a source of nutrition for so many infants worldwide, and we made this choice culturally in many cultures a long time ago.
	And it's time to start really for these big companies that produce children's formula
	and for other companies, dairy companies, to start owning up to the possibility that
	whether it's bovine splinter form encephalopathy or something else or prions or whatever we
	got that they may be responsible for children's death if they don't start investigating the
	quality of the milk.
	Well the prions are of course what are suspect I believe in the mad cow business, the malformed,
	prions are malformed anyway.
	It sounded so similar Ed that I just had to run it by you at least.
	It's been on my mind, the whole mad cow thing has been on my mind because I'm such a giant
	fan of beef.
	Alright, I understand many people, although it's coming.
	We would not have seen it.
	We would not have described it if it were not so big in the collective unconscious.
	And a remote feeling is like a memory.
	A remote feeling is very much like a memory, except this memory can be of the future as well as the past.
	All right.
	Well, maybe here's one that you missed.
	I don't know.
	Way before the millennium, Whenever you consider the millennium to be, and there's a big argument about that, but I guess it's over now.
	But you said that Y2K wasn't going to be much of anything.
	It wasn't even a blip on the radar.
	You were absolutely right about that.
	But you also said that it wouldn't be a big thing because it would be overshadowed by a kill shot or a terrible eruption from the sun that would do just terrible damage on Earth.
	And that sort of set the timeline as being, you know, at Y2K or prior to Y2K, but it hasn't happened yet.
	Do you regard that now as a miss, or do you think that's still coming?
	I know timelines in remote viewing are very hard.
	Well, if you remember CNN's headlines, forget Y2K, you know, look at the sun, that type of thing.
	I do remember that, in fact, there was that exact headline on CNN, forget about Y2K, worry about the sun, yeah.
	Again, timelines are very difficult for us, but yes, I stand by that.
	And I want to point something out.
	Remember quite a while ago, in the same context of that, where I said there's a catastrophic solar event that's going to happen, and people were calling in, and this was like three and a half years ago, three years ago, and saying, what can we do?
	And I said, well, there are certain sanctuaries in North America that are important because they have lots of fresh water.
	they're isolated and those kinds of things. I recall. And I said that Whitefish Montana was
	the was it was the key was a key sanctuary? I recall yes.
	Now remember the crop circle in Whitefish a few months ago? This uh last summer yes. Do you
	remember what the crop circle looked like? Do you recall it? Not offhand remind me.
	Yeah, you can go to some websites and you'll see that there was a circle.
	And through the circle, in this wheat field, was a line.
	There's a line.
	And the line had two other curved, arced lines coming from the central axis out towards the circumference of the circle.
	And then there were some other curved lines outside of the circle that looked like rays passing through it.
	Make a long story short, this particular crop circle in Whitefish, with these two arced lines, what it represents, if you remote view it, the meaning, because this is a symbol, and you can remote, symbols really lend themselves to remote viewing.
	Meaning?
	So obviously you did.
	Yes.
	The lines that are approaching this circle, Our rays, or plasma, from the Sun, our own Sun, passing through Earth.
	That center line that goes through that circle is representative of Earth's axis.
	But the two other lines that you see are torque, represent torque on the Earth's axis.
	And the degree that they're separated from the poles, It's about 12 to 15 degrees and that's the amount of torque that will be placed on the Earth's magnetic axis and twist it.
	And this is the event that I've been talking about.
	But, again, in terms of the timeline, you did seem to associate it with Y2K or that it was an event that overwhelmed Y2K seemingly placing it at about the Y2K timeline.
	Yes, yes I did.
	But in terms of, you know, geographical or even calendrical time, we're still not that far away from Y2K.
	Y2K I said would be a dud, a non-event.
	You were right.
	Watch the sun.
	But this particular event is a singularity and that is what remote viewing is really good at.
	Two things.
	At predicting singularity, something that cannot be predicted, an anomaly that has no
	baseline data associated with it, number one.
	And number two, pieces of a puzzle where no pieces exist.
	We know we can put together the first piece and the last piece of the puzzle.
	And this particular anomaly is an important one.
	It doesn't matter whether I'm off six months or two years on this arc.
	It's so big, it's extremely catastrophic.
	All right, well, I have spoken to astronomers, Ed, who say that they have now begun to see
	cases of suns like ours, typically like Earth's sun, which appear to be very stable, and then
	suddenly erupt for no discernible reason, wiping out planets nearby, that sort of thing,
	that they are observing this.
	They actually have seen it occur with suns just like ours.
	Well, all I can say is, in terms of focus, This particular event is catastrophic.
	It does not wipe the planet out, but it does a tremendous amount of damage.
	Were you able to discern from that crop circle what part of the planet would be exposed?
	Would it be the whole planet or would one part be hit harder?
	It's the whole planet because of this reason, Art.
	The Earth's magnetic The Earth, there's a twist on the inside of the Earth, where the axis twists, so the entire planet, there's a torque that's placed on the entire planet, so the entire planet rotates back and forth, so that the surface of the planet moves rapidly.
	Now if you talk to geophysicists, I have by the way, what would this effect be?
	The effect is generally, if the planet were to move like that, after several days the winds would really pick up.
	And after about a week, the winds would pick up to about 300 miles an hour, and take a couple of weeks to die back down.
	And you can imagine what wave action would be like.
	So coastal region would be pretty beat up, and there would be a lot of dust in the air.
	So minimally, those two things would occur.
	Well, 300 mile an hour winds, Ed, would take everything down to the ground.
	Not everything, but it would take a lot down to the ground.
	And I don't know where if the entire planet, I don't think the entire planet would be subjected to 300 mile an hour winds, because that's not the way, you know, I suppose in our country something would survive, but I've been on islands in the Pacific hit by 200 mile per hour typhoons, and believe me Ed, it took most stuff to the ground.
	Yeah, Kauai was like that several years ago.
	Yes.
	So we're talking about at least some regions having, under those circumstances, having extremely high winds.
	So the magnetic field There's a big push on the Earth's magnetic field and a torque.
	So inside the Earth, the core rotates.
	It takes a little while because the coefficient of friction between this loose core and the Earth's mantle is a degree that's not 100%.
	So it's like an egg yolk.
	If you spin an egg that's not hard-boiled, it takes a moment.
	For the momentum to catch up with the shell and then the shell starts spinning, like that.
	That's just like something that Gordon Michael Scallion said when he described something that was going to occur to the Earth.
	So these two things, and yes I've said there's going to be a war on the Korean Peninsula, I stand by that, but there's going to be a lot of war.
	But these two things, this milk problem and this particular geophysical event are very big things.
	that can change infrastructures and make us rethink and rearrange our cultural, socioeconomic
	positions.
	They have impact, big impact, global impact, right away.
	But the timelines, let's talk timelines for a second.
	You said, well, a couple of years, three years, four years, maybe even ten years from the mark or from the Y2K mark might not be discernible.
	How far in the future could this be?
	Can you get a sense of when it's getting closer and closer, warmer and warmer, closer to the event?
	Yeah, as a matter of fact, there is one way.
	There's one way.
	The crop circle notwithstanding, there's one very, very interesting way that I know that we're getting closer to something, and it's this.
	See if you can follow me now.
	In my work, in technical remote viewing, we spend a lot of time looking at individuals.
	Individuals are always interested in their own situation in terms of their own futures.
	Of course.
	Slightly so.
	So, eight years ago, five years ago, when I taught this to civilians,
	civilians who were interested in looking at their own, let's call it a trajectory in time,
	where they were moving, would describe certain situations in the future.
	We could describe them for the individual or the student.
	If it was one of my students running a problem without knowing that they were looking at themselves,
	I would describe a person under the following circumstances and describe these circumstances.
	Here's a person living somewhere, doing something, working somewhere, married to someone,
	those kind of things, right? That's what we can do in remote viewing.
	But, about five years ago, something started to happen.
	When we were running these types of projects for individuals,
	some individuals, when they went to describe the places where they would be living
	and what they would be doing, assuming that they would be alive and not die of old age or an accident,
	or describing themselves underground.
	Regardless of whether or not the project was an attempt to discern where they would be living and what employment they would have, they would describe themselves
	as underground.
	Over the last five years more and more and more people, no matter what we do to try to
	discern what the optimum pathway for a person would be in terms of livelihood, place to
	live, those kinds of things, more and more people were simply describing themselves as
	underground as if the collective unconscious was saying, hey don't worry about the stock
	market, don't worry about who you'll be with, don't worry about what you'll be doing, you
	won't even be alive unless you do this.
	Thank you.
	And so that leads me to believe that whatever this is, this catastrophic event, that it is a killer, it's getting closer.
	That's all I can say about that.
	how relative a term is getting closer it's just a guess, it would only be a guess on my part
	and uh... genuine, genuine yes, well i know it's i know it's within these people's lifetime otherwise the
	collective unconscious would not be telling them to duck and cover
	Very good, obviously.
	True, yes.
	Yeah, it's not like 50 or 500 years out there where we're going to get hit by a meteor or something like that 500 years from now.
	But you know, Ed, whatever it is, it's got to be something really awful.
	I mean, something that would put mankind underground.
	That's a rough one.
	Ed, we're at the top of the hour.
	Hold on, we'll be right back.
	Well, I told you it was going to be rough, and I warned you, so if you're still here and you're scared to death, that's your problem.
	There's a couple more hours to go.
	Stay right where you are.
	are.
	Sure, the scent of the sand, or the strength of an alcove deep in the ground.
	So why wouldn't there be flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac and the sun again?
	Or to fly through the sun without burning a wing?
	To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing?
	To have all these things in our memory at home?
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	on the premier radio network well i warned you it wasn't going to be an easy
	ride did not and so a lot of you who get very angry at ed dames and don't
	like the negative I don't want to say predictions.
	The negative vibes.
	The Californians.
	Whatever it is.
	All of what you've just heard.
	Attach a time period to it and say that's it.
	It didn't happen.
	He's full of it.
	And there's a lot of anger out there at Ed Dames for that.
	I know and he knows.
	But if you're listening carefully tonight, he says it's all still ahead.
	And we've got more ahead if you'll stay right where you are.
	Actually, that's what we've got going on today.
	Storms in California dumping immense amounts of rain in California and snow in the mountains.
	Just really, really, really wicked storms going on out there.
	Let's see.
	Los Angeles downpours, flooded roads, snow, buried mountain passes.
	Tuesday is the most powerful storm of the season to hit Southern California.
	And, of course, it's headed our way.
	All right.
	Once again, Major Ed Dain.
	Ed, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	It's good to hear your voice, too, Arthur.
	Thank you.
	It's good to hear yours.
	It's good to be here.
	Anyway, listen.
	The biggest mistake Ed Dames ever made, in my opinion, was remote-viewing Satan.
	I can't remember.
	Was it Satan or Lucifer?
	You always correct me.
	Both.
	Both Satan and Lucifer.
	That's right.
	All right.
	Well, I still think, Ed, that was the biggest mistake.
	I remember when you said you were going to do it.
	I swear, Ed, as well as I know you, and I've talked to you for, God, we've talked for I don't know how many hours, a lot of hours over the years.
	I detected a definite, absolute change in you after you did that.
	Others did, too.
	Now, I don't know if it was a good change or a bad change.
	I really haven't thought that hard about it, but a change.
	I can feel it more than I can hear it.
	It was the Columbine Massacre.
	some kind of change, something happened.
	What made you decide to remote view Satan of all things?
	It was the Columbine massacre.
	I felt that there was something that was not attributable to
	our own culture, something behind the scenes that might be called to task for that.
	That something else was at work here that I could not put my finger on.
	And I did not know what it was until I remote viewed the cause of that.
	And I realized it was some type of, I don't want to call it a force,
	I don't want to get esoteric and mealy-mouthed about this, but there was an element that was almost supernatural
	that was affecting that was affecting...
	the assailants at Columbine and that's when I turned my attention to that element which turned
	out to be associated with what we in the west and historically have called this entity Satan,
	this idea of a Satan, the shadow. Well I think that most people would agree there's a good force
	and there's a bad force, a good and a bad, a positive and a negative, you know just like
	in every endeavor in life in the world there's a good and a bad, a ying and a yang and so
	if you believe in God, a God, then you probably don't have all that much trouble believing in
	A negative force, a negative entity, what's called Satan, I guess.
	This force has a strategy, though, and that's what I wanted to discern.
	I wanted to use the... to push the envelope on the applied remote hearing, attempt to discern what the strategy was to get into the war room, if you will.
	The war room, right?
	Yeah.
	But isn't this a little like saying, hey, look, a black hole, let's go into the event horizon and see what happens?
	Well, you know, fools rush in where angels fear the tread.
	It may have been a foolish act, but I did come out back out of that black hole with
	something that was very important in terms of that strategy.
	Yeah, the strategy is fed, hatred feeds the strategy, but in terms of detail, I got the
	detail that I wanted.
	The strategy is, the attack is aimed at young people, at youth, at children worldwide.
	And that was an important thing.
	And so, you know, I'm going to let the cat out of the bag tonight.
	I have put together the capstone of my 20-year career as a teacher, a remote-viewing teacher.
	I put together something for children, and it's called MindFire.
	I'm going to release it next week.
	And it is a tool, a kit, for children, particularly young people.
	Adults can use it too, but it's designed so that young people We can learn how to remote view.
	It's easy.
	It's easy to remote view.
	It's not something that I have to sit through lectures.
	It's inexpensive.
	Works like a charm.
	High quality.
	Very sexy.
	Very attractive.
	And it's designed so that young people can learn how to see true.
	They can have second sight.
	And they can be able to distinguish the true from the false.
	And that is why this kit is going on the streets very rapidly.
	It's called Mindfire and people watch my website and in the next week or so this thing will pop up and it will be out there.
	I'll send you a kit as a sneak preview.
	I think you'll love it.
	All the excuses you've had in the past not to learn remote viewing will go away when you see this.
	It's essentially a workshop in a box and it's fun.
	But it is remote viewing though, right?
	It is remote viewing in no uncertain terms.
	And it's quick and easy because young people do not want to sit through a lecture.
	They want something that's fun.
	It's like Harry Potter, but it's real.
	It teaches them really how to do it.
	Adults will love it.
	The children will be able to use this to bootstrap correct learning.
	You know, one of the reasons that I've not wanted to remote view, and I think you really do know them, I'm not sure that I would want to see or know the things that you know and see.
	That's some pretty heavy weight on anybody's shoulder, and it seems to me, Ed, that with a lot of what we've covered already tonight, it would so change your life that it would take over the direction of your life.
	How could it not?
	Well, I think that an alternative way of looking at this is that we have been incorrectly educated.
	We have not been educated correctly.
	We haven't been educated to see the truth.
	and that when we do see these truths, it comes as big surprises to us and because they're
	so big and sometimes scary, we go into denial. We'd rather go into denial than face the truth
	and more importantly to be able to come to grips with the truth and be able to do something
	about it before these things become catastrophic and this saves lives.
	It also saves souls.
	I know, that's why a lot of people get angry at you, Ed, because they don't want to hear this stuff.
	You know, it's just something, you're right, it's denial, and denial is manifested as anger.
	In that denial, you send forth a wave of anger and say, what a bunch of B.S.
	Well, Mindfire is designed for children and for young adults and for adults who want to learn it, but predominantly with children in mind.
	It's easy and it's fun and exciting.
	They can show off their skills in no time at all.
	It can pick out children who are very gifted immediately.
	It could be your grandmother or it could be your child, but it picks out those people who have the gift within 30 minutes and people can be remote viewing 10 minutes out of the box.
	and that targets are all in there hundreds of targets all concealed you do not know what
	the target is and you're taught that within three minutes to describe a target and the
	process bootstraps itself very very quickly so my goal is to have this very sexy thrilling
	thing in the hands of young people so they can learn this because they're going to need
	these tools.
	Alright well there's a good question for you instead of looking at Satan or some target
	like that with mindfire and with teaching a child to begin to see the things that can
	be seen is there good practical application for that child's life in other words as you
	grow up can you look and see whether a business deal or an association or a social coupling
	would be good or negative will work out well or poorly.
	In other words, can you use it for practical things in life?
	Let me give you a small example rather than get into the relationship types of things.
	Okay.
	Let me give you just one example.
	It's the kind of thing I use in my work that's practical.
	Last month a person came to me with a medical problem.
	This person was very afraid of a syndrome that she had.
	It was very unique to the medical world.
	Physicians had not seen anything like this.
	They did not know what it was.
	There's a very augustic clinic in the Midwest.
	I won't mention its name.
	And even that clinic was not able to diagnose this woman's ailment.
	Right.
	She was scared.
	She felt that it might be life-threatening.
	So I decided to remote view them.
	It took me It took me six 45-minute remote viewing sessions and two hours of analysis to do what all these physicians could not do, and that is to actually describe what it was that was hurting this woman.
	And what it was, was that the syndrome was odd.
	there were these glass-like pebbly pebbles that were actually coming out of the woman's eye,
	from behind the eye.
	When the eye was retracted, sometimes there would be this residue
	that was solid like glass that was coming out of the eye.
	Okay?
	Oh, it was smoke.
	Uh-huh.
	PET scans and MRIs and all that were unable to really discern what the problem was.
	But remote viewing is direct knowledge, so it is able to look exactly at the cause of this problem.
	To take...
	It can discern connectivity and cause and effect.
	So I was able to take this particular condition and to remove the cause of it.
	Giant glass eye goobers.
	Well, what the cause was and why the PET scan didn't pick it up was I first had to discern whether or not it was the woman's own.
	I knew that it was living cells.
	I did not know if it was the woman's own cells, cancer that had metastasized or something like that,
	but that still would not explain the solid coagulated glassy material.
	What it was was that it was a fungus that was growing in her sinuses.
	And it's not one of those fungus that you're just allergic to
	that causes you some distress and you sneeze and you get a rash, not that.
	This fungus was ensconced in her sinuses.
	And fungi, what are the cells of the actual body of the fungi is chitin, the same material
	that makes up our fingernails or a lobster's shell.
	Right.
	And when the cells die, all of this chitinous material starts to coagulate, and it has nowhere to go, so it breaks up.
	She's actually heard crunching noises in her head, and forms these glass-like strands and these pebbles, and it comes out wherever it can come out.
	In this case, the point of exit, the egress, was the eye.
	The reason that these Auguste clinics did not pick it up, because they did not run a test for fungi, there happens to be a metabolite that the body produces that's indicative, it's a red flag that you have a fungal infection, but they didn't run that test because the symptoms were so odd.
	They didn't suspect... Those are odd, alright, and so then how did you direct her from that point, once you had diagnosed?
	Well, then, I told her what it was, and it was not life-threatening, although it was scary, Then I remote viewed the cure.
	And the cure was a nasal spray consisting of colloidal silver.
	No kidding.
	And that did the trick.
	Colloidal silver, let's see, that would kill fungus, huh?
	Well, in this case, you take what you get as a professional remote viewer, you run the problem, and the answer's the answer.
	And that happened to be the answer, and it works.
	And it worked.
	Yeah, and so I think it's a good example of a normal, practical use for remote viewing.
	There's much more difficult problems.
	Well, it's a very specific, practical use.
	I was thinking of the simpler stuff.
	For example, if a child were to learn this early on, Could they, as they came into adulthood and began a career, for example, decide if they were headed in the right direction?
	Decide if a partnership or beginning a business was going to be a good idea or not?
	I'll tell you, the answer to that question is the following.
	The child, the young person in that case, would not really be looking at the future or turning its attention to a future.
	The child would be, the young person would be communicating with his or her own unconscious.
	The unconscious is really closer to our spiritual self, our essence.
	It knows what we really want.
	Our own thinking mind, our creative mind that's overlaid by all this emotional body, it gets
	in the way and we screw ourselves up constantly.
	By communicating with your own unconscious, with that portion of your mind, that can direct
	you and see true and let you know, hey, this person is not right for you.
	This job is not what you really want to do.
	This is not where you really want to live.
	This is not the hobby you really want to learn because it's a waste of time.
	That's what our unconscious can do to us.
	Unconscious tries to communicate that knowledge in dreams, but the overlay of all our emotional body and our neocortex messes it all up, scrambles it, and we get a wrong message.
	Remote viewing has that direct knowledge.
	It's a direct line to our unconscious, the unconscious segment of our mind, And that person can then say, hey, I know this is right.
	I may not think it's right, because our thinking is so fallible, but it's the right thing for me to do, because, you know, I've learned that in the past, when I use this remote viewing tool, I've learned to distinguish right from wrong.
	All right.
	I guess I want to say something.
	I want to tell you a little story, Ed, because, so in a sense then, dreams, are connected to the same possibly to the same realm as remote viewing?
	Yes they are but of course as I just mentioned as many many researchers know it is the message that unconscious tries to get up to percolate up through conscious awareness The dreams, of course, are processing a lot of trash.
	You need to process that.
	But sometimes dreams can be revelatory.
	All right.
	Well, let me give you an example, Ed.
	Try this out for size.
	In all the years and all the dreams that I've ever had in my whole life, and I own cats.
	I have three cats.
	My wife and I have three cats.
	I haven't told the audience this yet.
	I've never had a dream about a cat.
	Never in my life.
	And several weeks ago, Ed, I woke up one morning just about in tears, and I told my wife that I dreamed that one of our cats was really sick.
	Actually, I said one of our cats was dying.
	That's what I said.
	And she said, God, what an awful dream.
	Ed, two days later, the cat that my wife and I have had since the night we got married in Las Vegas, Abby, fell Rapidly, unaccountably, incredibly ill.
	Abby was dying.
	Abby had his liver shut down on him.
	Abby is actually a hymn.
	Everybody says her a hymn.
	His liver shut down.
	Abby was in the hospital for three weeks.
	I remember you mentioning this on an earlier show.
	Abby stopped breathing.
	He came that close to death.
	She had to breathe for him, the vet.
	Ed, I had that dream two days before this happened.
	Never had a dream about cats in my life.
	Never had a cat get sick like this in my life.
	It happened within two days, Ed.
	What was that?
	I have to remove you, Art, and have to have permission from you to go into your deep mind and see what spawned that dream.
	That was some sort of precognition, some sort of... It was a premonitory dream.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and that's occurring, you're saying, that kind of thing is occurring in the same realm as remote viewing.
	It's the unconscious doing the work when you sleep.
	Yes, I am.
	Except as remote viewers, as professional remote viewers, we get to direct our unconscious attention to any target.
	Now, we're trained to do this in the blind.
	We're as trainees, as students, the way I teach in my institute, of course, and I have for many years, If the student starts out never knowing what the target is,
	their unconscious must do all the work.
	But later on as we become professionals we can work what we call front loaded targets
	but we must be very, very disciplined, extremely disciplined to do that and that takes a while
	to learn.
	In fact that's not done until the second week of TRV 200 which is the second course in my
	institute.
	Only the second half of that is a student allowed to work or even touch a target where
	they know what the problem set is.
	Well it's not a useful thing, I mean I relate this now and people can either believe I'm
	telling the truth or not it doesn't matter.
	It's not a useful thing because there is so much noise, dreams are just generally so much
	noise that when a real one comes along how are you to know?
	It's a real one.
	Something of that magnitude only occurs every so many years or something like that.
	So it's not a tool you can use because you have no way to recognize if this is the real thing or you just had a bad bit of undigested something and had a bad dream.
	That's why Mindfire is important, because it hones a child's intuition and lets him or her make better choices in their daily life.
	Mindfire.
	Mindfire.
	That's an interesting name.
	I wonder how you picked it out.
	Ed, hold on.
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	All right, once again, Major Ed Dames.
	Ed, I don't want to belabor this point, but Mike from Kansas City, Missouri writes to our Fast Blast setup.
	Ed, are you sure you're okay since you remote-viewed Satan?
	Many of your friends at SciTech and elsewhere don't seem to think so.
	I left my former company for ethical reasons.
	If they're speaking disparaging of me there, I can understand that.
	Well, I'm not sure it's disparaging.
	They're just saying that they saw a change in you after you did that.
	Actually, I left that company for ethical reasons.
	Ethical and moral reasons.
	It had nothing to do with remote viewing any particular targets.
	I was not happy with Some of the ethical choices that management was making at that company and therefore left.
	I understand but I mean recalling now when you did remote view Satan there was a moment you said when you were virtually in Satan's presence and when Satan I don't know if the right word would be turned but recognized your presence yes?
	For all intents and purposes, yes.
	When we hit that as a topical idea, yes.
	The answer is yes.
	It appears, unlike any other remote-viewing target, where you're just a passive observer, although we know that whenever you observe something, you become part of the history of that pattern of information.
	Unlike those targets, it appears that this particular target was intelligent and was aware That you were observing it and the impact on me was fear.
	I can imagine it would have been.
	And I don't scare easily.
	Exactly.
	I mean, that is as scary as it gets.
	I can't imagine doing anything scarier than that, Ed.
	Well, again, you know, ignorance is bliss.
	If I had to do it over again, I think I would approach it a different way.
	That's something you want to draw attention to.
	Somebody else, and I think we've really already answered this, but people remember the plant pathogen that you were talking about.
	Some sort of something that was going to destroy basically a lot of the green plants on Earth.
	Do you have any update on that, or is the timeline on that still out there?
	I'm talking about a fungi, I'm talking specifically again about a mutation of Claviceps purpurea, one of the 33 known species of fungi that infects grasses that is of African origin.
	That specific fungi has now made it as far as Texas and phytopathologists are watching it there.
	That particular species of fungi is the infectious agent that I'm talking about.
	It appears to be something like an Andromeda strain.
	So you're saying it's here now?
	Oh, absolutely.
	All right.
	I'm going to try and ask you about this again.
	This is a brick wall that I ran into with you some time ago, and I'll probably run right back into it again.
	But I've got to ask.
	Chemtrails.
	What are being called chemtrails?
	These things in our sky that don't seem to be normal contrails, they don't behave like
	normal contrails and there are many, many people out there who think that something
	is going on and I might even be one of those people.
	And I've asked you about this before and my recollection is you said you can't go there.
	Still true?
	It's still true, yes.
	It's simply because I'm of no good to anyone if I'm in a slammer somewhere.
	Obviously not all chemtrails are.
	Some chemtrails are simply contrails and we know that.
	Sure.
	But apparently others are not and those that are not I mean how often have you heard me say I can't talk about that?
	Almost never.
	That's right.
	Four years and four years almost never.
	So I can't be accused of not being forthright in terms of giving you all that I can give you vis-a-vis my former life as a super spy master.
	So this time I just can't do it.
	We'll leave it there.
	Had I never been exposed to those projects and briefed on them, if I were only to remote view them, then I could talk to you about them.
	Is that a project you could take on from a remote viewing perspective only?
	Not me.
	Some of my students could do it and then talk to you.
	They could do it.
	I would have plausible denial.
	My students could remote view the target and talk to you and say they got this for remote viewing.
	Can I give you a remote viewing target I would really love to have you go after?
	Of course.
	A few days ago, Ed, actually last week, a couple of photographs were passed to me.
	You may have followed it on the show, I don't know, of what appears to be what's called a skunk ape.
	We've got photographs on the website.
	You've got two photographs, correct?
	That's right.
	Okay, I saw them.
	Well, obviously we had a cryptozoologist on who's a good one, one of the world's best.
	I listened to that program.
	You heard him say that he's leaning toward thinking they're legit photographs of a creature nobody's ever seen before.
	How about that as a target?
	I'd be glad to do that.
	And if it is something that is unique of the Coelacanth category zoology, then what we can do as remote viewers are look at this creature.
	We can bait it.
	We can set up.
	We can actually describe what would be bait to this creature.
	We could tell you what it likes to eat, what it actually does eat, what repels it, what
	attracts its repulsions, how it communicates, those kinds of things.
	We can actually do that and then we could actually direct investigators where to place
	cameras, IR triggered cameras.
	You know hunters use these to monitor deer trails.
	You place cameras that have infrared or proximity switches out on a trail somewhere to count
	how many deer pass by.
	You can set up a camera to look for one of these and to monitor an unintended camera
	in the forest to be able to capture more photographs of this.
	We would be able to direct those kinds of investigations.
	Then please proceed with that one.
	Okay, we'll take a look at this guy.
	Ed, is it possible to understand at all the nature of death or what lies beyond physical death?
	In terms of our methods and techniques, no.
	Abysmal failures.
	We can't do it.
	It appears that our mind can't comprehend anything past that point of where mind dissipates, where our consciousness ebbs and... We know that there is a glowing essence.
	It actually has a soft ultraviolet light to it.
	One might call it the soul that leaves a person when a person dies.
	But we can't do anything, and there's no knowledge That we can attach to that particular light.
	Wow.
	So, that's a brick wall.
	For us, yes.
	For our technology.
	For our methods and techniques.
	But we can do a lot of other things.
	There are people who claim that they can receive messages from those who have passed.
	Can you remote view that ability to see whether it appears to be legitimate or a bunch of hooey?
	Yes, we can.
	And we have.
	And?
	As I mentioned before a couple of years ago when we talked about this extensively on your show, what we detail is the following.
	When a person dies, when we die, our consciousness, our active consciousness that's being driven by glucose and electrochemical reactions in the brain, It sort of dives back like when you pull the plug on a radio and all the capacitors and the inductors start to lose their charge.
	Right.
	Our consciousness loses charge in a similar way, in an analogous way.
	But sometimes this consciousness, actually in the form of almost like a plasma, attaches itself to another human being.
	in almost a parasitic electrical way.
	And that kind of thing sometimes becomes what is channeled.
	I'm not saying all channeling is this, but many times that's what's channeled.
	And there's a way for us to know, without being remote viewers,
	whether or not you're dealing, when you're dealing with somebody that's channeling,
	whether or not you're dealing with something like that.
	And here's how to do it.
	You look the person that's channeling right in the eyes, and you start to ask this entity
	questions about the present time, and it will not be able to give you a straight answer,
	because it does not know anything past the point where the person that was attached
	to this consciousness died, and that's always in the past.
	It can't tell you what's happening now.
	I had experiences like this when I was trying to put together some very esoteric work for
	the Department of Defense.
	We approached the best natural psychics in the United States and some of the best channelers.
	We were looking to see what, in terms of human potential, what we could get away with.
	I remember looking at, I won't mention the person's name, but this woman who was channeling
	this very popular entity.
	I'm looking her dead in the eye and this entity was telling me, this channeled entity was
	saying, oh, Mr. So and So, I was using an alias in those days, that was on the cover.
	You know, Mr. Enoch.
	It's so wonderful to see you today.
	You know, the universe is shining on your presence.
	All of a sudden, I'm looking at this person, dead in the eye, and I'm saying, I have a question.
	Oh, please ask your question.
	You know, the divine light will give you the answer.
	I said, that's great.
	Right now, in the woods, just to the south of Pilsen, Czechoslovakia, there's a Scud missile on a transporter erector launcher.
	I want to know whether it's being fueled or not.
	Right.
	Well, the universe is bright and shiny and all this stuff.
	I said, no, no, I need to know about that specific launcher right now.
	Can you help me?
	Yes.
	The universe in a good time will do that kind of stuff?
	That's how you know that you're dealing with one of these undissipated minds that didn't go away and will do anything to maintain its attachment to a living human form.
	Remarkable.
	Mm-hmm.
	Remarkable.
	All right, here's another one that may be a miss on your part.
	I don't know if you're qualified as that, or maybe you'd want to explain it, but you were predicting near the millennium that there would be a bio... I think it was a biological bomb set off, virtually that.
	It's a miss in terms of time.
	We're talking about the old city in Jerusalem?
	That's right.
	It's a myth in terms of time, but Hezbollah and Hamas look like they're joining forces, and that's what they're doing.
	All right.
	It's a thing you've had the most trouble with, isn't it?
	The timelines.
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Because mind's outside of time.
	It's like flatlanders trying to perceive a two-dimensional being trying to perceive a third dimension.
	It's a very difficult thing to do.
	All that we know as remote viewers that we accurately know are whether something is in the future, the past, and the
	present.
	We can always discern that.
	That's why we qualify our searches with the qualifier of present time
	when we're looking for something.
	Because if we don't do that, if say we're looking for an individual
	and we don't qualify it with present time, our mind can go to that individual at any time in the past.
	Alright, so you did say earlier though that you're beginning to refine
	something of a method for nailing down timelines, or at least you can begin to tell when one of these events
	is getting truly close.
	We can do it, but it's a tremendous amount of work.
	And the way we do it is we attach the event to something physical.
	And the best thing physical is the position of the planets.
	So we can use what's called an orrery.
	An orrery is an old English word, and it was actually a physical wind-up apparatus
	that showed the relative positions of the heavenly bodies.
	Sometimes you see it in movies and in museums.
	Well, they have those that are on software programs, too.
	If we do a lot of work and we sketch the positions of the planets, or at least several of the planets,
	one outer or inner planet in relationship to the Earth and the Sun,
	and we average that out over many, many different remote viewers, or a number of different remote viewers
	and a number of different sessions, we can get a good approximation of the time.
	Then we check the software program to see when that particular alignment of the planets will
	be.
	We can start to narrow in on time.
	But it's a whole lot of work.
	If I were to tell you something here, Ed, maybe you can digest it and see if it makes sense to you.
	But I have recently had guests who have told me you
	That UFO appearances, paranormal events, appear to be connected to the position of Earth relative to the stars.
	Now this was said to me the other night, and they're beginning to do some statistical work proving that these events occur when the Earth is facing in a certain direction with respect to the stars, and that little bell went off, ding ding ding ding, and As a matter of fact, even SETI is beginning to consider some work looking for optical stuff instead of the same sort of stuff they're looking for right now, and that would be relative to the position of the stars.
	Does any of that make sense?
	I guess it does to you because it sounded just like what you just said, applying it to remote viewing and timelines.
	Actually, no.
	There is no connection there, and prior to I would have said I don't know anything about it and I can't connect or comment on that, but there is an applied remote viewing, an applied technical remote viewing.
	There is some evidence that indicates that there is something to that.
	At certain times of the day and week for lack of a better term, windows or portals open up.
	That's right.
	And it's in relationship to the position, I'm not saying that it's just positional,
	it appears to be something that deals with plasma and the Earth's magnetosphere and things like that
	or perhaps even fields that we don't know of or juxtapositions of energies that we don't know of,
	but something opens up at different times and lets things in and out.
	If you get the picture?
	Oh, I get the picture very much.
	I have not studied it. All I know is that it does appear, there does appear to be a reality there,
	but I have not studied it. I'm not sure I'll get around to it in my life, but yes, sometimes...
	I have Colm Callagher on from the National Institutes for Discovery Science.
	A brilliant man.
	Brilliant man, yes.
	And he said they're beginning to look at that.
	In other words, correlate statistically the incidents that occur with the position of Earth relative to certain star fields.
	Not so outrageous when you really think about it.
	Well, nothing that he says is outrageous to me.
	I think he's a brilliant man.
	I think that most of the staff there in the institute is It's the best.
	It's the best that money can buy.
	All right.
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	Ed Dames, Major Ed Dames is here and we're talking with some very serious remote viewing tonight.
	This is a subject that could be disturbing to some people.
	I understand that.
	But if it is, turn it off.
	But I'm betting you won't.
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	That kind of nicely sets the stage for a return to what we're doing here.
	Once again, Major Ed Dames.
	Ed, just a couple of quick ones and then I'd like to open the phone lines.
	Let's do it.
	All right.
	Number one.
	Somebody wants to know what China's space program looks like to you.
	They really are building a space program very quickly and a lot of people are very concerned about China.
	Have you had a look at that?
	Yes.
	That was an awful quick yes.
	Yes and?
	China is the future.
	Their space program is going to look like ours.
	Most of what we know.
	So, yeah, I've thought that myself and I don't remote view.
	The reason I'm laughing is because I was in the business of protecting this country's secrets.
	Yes.
	But so much of corporate America was in the business of selling it.
	And in the end, we couldn't staunch the flow.
	Oh, yeah.
	I know.
	Might as well laugh, I guess.
	And hear from Lance in Denver, Colorado.
	Have you ever remote viewed a major physical event that we think took place millions of years ago like the KT Boundary meteorite event that supposedly zonked the dinosaurs?
	Not that, only one.
	Only one major event that was very fascinating in terms of a study.
	In my institute we have students that come in and during some of the higher level courses
	they bring their own projects with them.
	One was a geologist who was very interested in why the woolly mammoths in Siberia were
	flash frozen in place with food still in their mouths and stomachs.
	And yes we spent some time on that one a number of years ago and that was a result of a very
	unique and a rare volcanic explosion in what today is the Fairbank of Alaska area somewhere
	in Alaska.
	It's the type of volcanic explosion that comes right... It's extremely powerful.
	It's not... I forget what the name of it is in geological terms, but it blows straight up from the ground.
	And the force is so tremendous, it pushes the Earth's atmosphere right up into the stratosphere.
	Where a tremendous amount of the superheated air now becomes supercooled.
	Now this takes several hours, right?
	Sure.
	This tremendous explosion pushes the millions of tons of air straight up almost into the stratosphere, troposphere.
	The Earth is turning underneath all of this as it's happening, right?
	Sure.
	What comes up starts to get heavy, right?
	Cold air is heavy.
	Yes.
	This time it's really dense and it's really cold.
	It starts to come back down.
	And when it comes back down, the Earth has rotated.
	And you hear now, the Earth has rotated underneath all this, and it's coming down now in Siberia.
	So the last thing these whirly mammoths saw, and we can sketch this as remote viewers, it's amazing to be able to sketch this scene, is these whirly mammoths looking up, kind of thinking that there's something out there and not seeing anything.
	That's the last thing they knew before this hit them.
	That's what flash froze these whirly mammoths in place.
	Well, a little better than a bullet, but not much.
	Yeah, but describing that is interesting because we can recreate, as remote viewers, we can recreate these events.
	Nothing is lost to us.
	Sure.
	All right, I can't resist.
	One last.
	These are coming in on Fast Blast.
	And this is just going to have you repeating something, but it was so cool.
	your answer to it that I thought we'd repeat it. Jose Escamilla has been on my program in years
	past. He's talked about, shown video of these things that he calls rods. Things that you might
	see out of the corner of your eye occasionally but hardly ever. They're caught on camera. They
	appear to move like living things swimming in the atmosphere.
	It's the only way you can really describe it.
	I should have Jose on again to do it.
	Again, explain to everybody what these are.
	These rods, so-called.
	But you remote-viewed them, and what did you come up with?
	They are living things.
	I coined the name Eolium, from the Greek god that Eolus lives in, the god of the wind.
	If you go into a pet store and there's an aquarium and they have any night fish, Look at the, a knife fish is sort of a cross between a fish and an eel.
	Right.
	Look at that dorsal fin on the knife fish as it flows backwards.
	It's constantly wavy flowing backwards.
	That's right.
	That's what these rods look like above and below.
	Only these are much more diaphanous type of membranes and the animal itself is, it's almost like a plasma.
	If you hit one with your car windshield, I don't think it would register as anything other than moisture or something like that.
	Except they're pretty fast.
	I don't think they'd hit your car.
	But anyway, they're real.
	Ironically, we haven't picked them up because they're so fast.
	They're faster than the eye can process.
	Anything that's quicker than the eye can process is invisible.
	It doesn't register.
	But modern day cameras pick them up.
	I've always had a suspicion that cats see them.
	Cats can see into the low ultraviolet sometimes.
	And a cat and a dog, a dog for instance, will be in the corner of the room at night and also look up and track something across the room.
	Even more true with a cat.
	They'll chase it.
	They'll try to pounce on it.
	And there's nothing there.
	I mean, for our eyes anyway.
	Well, I questioned the intelligence quotient of a cat, so I'm not going to comment on it any longer.
	But dogs are pretty smart.
	They're tracking something.
	All right.
	Here we go to the phones.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Ed Dames.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	How's it going?
	Just fine.
	I'm glad to hear you're back on the radio.
	Thank you.
	Okay, Mr. Dames, I was like, I was wanting to know if you could go into more detail about your encounter with Satan
	and if you experienced any telepathy or kind of mind, like talking voices going back and forth if you spoke to him at
	all.
	Direct communication, no question.
	Yes, sir. That's not what remote viewing is about.
	Oh, okay.
	Remote viewing targets a pattern of information and in terms of Satan, we, it's called a topical search.
	We want to know as remote viewers whether or not this idea has any reality or substance to it at all.
	Okay, for instance, Atlantis is a topical search.
	Is Atlantis a composite of several different memories, questions, and thoughts?
	Corporate memory?
	Is it a real place?
	That kind of thing.
	And we do a series of probes to determine what... look at what the question is before we start to devolve answers.
	And in terms of Satan, it appears that I was looking at a single entity and a very white, crystalline, cold entity that was intelligent.
	But in this case, the specific intelligence appeared to know that I was looking at it,
	which is different than remote viewing a human being, for instance.
	Yeah, you said he turned.
	No, I didn't say he turned.
	Oh, okay.
	No, but you did say that Satan became aware of your presence.
	Yes.
	That would do it.
	It appeared in my mind, the concepts that were in my mind at the time I was remote viewing
	was that there was an entity that was aware of my presence, and there was a reaction,
	an emotional reaction in me that was one of fear.
	I see.
	All right.
	Thank you, sir.
	All right, thank you very much for the call.
	And, Wild Cladline, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Hi.
	Hi, good morning.
	It's nice to hear you.
	You and Ed back on the radio again, it's really great.
	Thank you.
	It seems in a strange way everything's right with the world when I hear you two, maybe not.
	Well, you're listening to Ed carefully, you know not all is right with the world.
	I know, so we'll just see how it goes.
	But Ed, just a couple things, I'll be in and out.
	About your predictions about the sun, I still think that you're dead right on, as a matter of fact.
	About what?
	The prediction about what?
	I'm sorry, about the sun.
	Oh, yes.
	And they have a pathogen thing, too.
	There was an article last week about how there's a Ulysses spacecraft and, of course, Soho watching the sun, and the title of the article was, the sun is struggling with its polarity shift.
	I'm paraphrasing right now.
	So, we don't know what can come of that, because what they're saying is that something's not quite what they're expecting.
	And the second thing on the pathogen, Willie Streber has an article posted today, it's out of New Zealand newspaper, And it's about these four scientists who claim, and they went in front of this board.
	I don't have the article in front of me.
	But however, they went in front of this board and said that they contained this genetically engineered plant pathogen, mind you, that killed grasses, wheat.
	You're kidding.
	You read this on Whitley's site.
	All I have to do is go to Whitley's site.
	It's either the first or second story.
	It's right there.
	Oh my God.
	It's from New Zealand.
	And these guys testified and said that They sought escape in the field, and what it was doing was just devouring.
	And it really, as the article in its title states, that all of the grasses would have been gone.
	All of the green, whatever, would have been gone.
	You should just check it out.
	I mean, it's a fascinating article.
	And I thought there was a lot of synchronicity there with Ed being on the show.
	Okay, and my question, now here it goes real quick.
	this mid-easting I just can't let it go and I know I talked to you before about
	this Ed but the point is to me since 1993 when this whole Oslo peace process
	started we always heard about the Palestinians and the Israelis then it
	went to Israel proper and there's a stories the press stories kept coming it
	kept focusing down to Jerusalem and then it kept almost like we were a
	microscope focusing and then it came to the Temple Mount and there's a lot of
	articles that never get play in the American press that say there's a
	tremendous amount of digging underneath that Temple Mount my question to you is
	have you remote viewed the Temple Mount what is under there and why is
	everybody so focused on this one specific geological point on this whole
	big great planet Boy, good question, Ed.
	Because the Ark of the Covenant is there.
	It is?
	Yes.
	Oh my.
	And so that's what all the digging is about.
	Yeah, it's not Ethiopia, it's there.
	The reason I'm saying that now and I didn't say it three years ago Uh-huh.
	It's because it's too late now.
	The fuse has already been lit.
	When I, you know, I told you when, watch the Temple Mount.
	When the action starts there, that's the beginning.
	The fuse is lit.
	And I never told anyone where the, in terms of our remote viewing data, where the Ark was.
	But it's there.
	It's not in Ethiopia.
	It's not somewhere else.
	It's there.
	And how close are they to it?
	Do you know?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	But it's current events and this digging.
	Oh, my.
	All right.
	Houston to the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Good morning.
	Hello, Larry.
	Yes.
	This is John from Goodwin, Minnesota.
	Hi, John.
	I can still catch you on three stations up here, even though we're about three hours north of Twin Cities.
	Well, good.
	That's what it's all about.
	Radiation.
	I just want to say I'm just blown away by Whitley Strieber's book, The Key.
	The Key, yes.
	Yeah, it's the most profound book I've ever read.
	It's also the most frightening.
	It's also the most informative.
	I'm glad to hear you say that, because I'm getting those sorts of reviews from everybody on The Key.
	Thank you.
	I mean, it goes from the need to developing a radiant, energetic body so that after death our soul doesn't dissipate, but can create its own light, to talking about the coming global superstorm.
	Yes.
	Apparently it's going to destroy northern civilization, leading to an ice age, which Ed's been talking about.
	So I'm wondering if we have to expand maybe our safe harbor parameters here.
	I was wondering if Ed could possibly, or has he remote-viewed safe places in Central and South America?
	Okay, that's an... Why, are you planning on travel?
	Well, I'm thinking about it now.
	I don't know.
	I can see.
	All right.
	Not just North America, then, Ed.
	Central and South America.
	Safe havens, safer places than others?
	No, I never have.
	Neither.
	But the Ice Age is an interesting thing.
	The Chinese have a Nostradamus of their own.
	He lived a couple thousand years ago, and he wrote a sort of a cartoon book that is extremely famous in China, but subject to as much controversy as the Nostradamus quatrains are in the Western world.
	It's called the Tuo Bei Tu.
	I speak fluent Chinese.
	I teach remote viewing in Chinese.
	I used one of the pages, the most controversial pages, Illustrations and Remote View, and that particular page was essentially a return of the Ice Age.
	Richard in Temecula, California would like to know if you have ever remote viewed Noah's Ark.
	Yes.
	Really?
	And?
	Noah's Ark is sealed up with Noah after he died.
	He was put in his Ark.
	I don't want to get too much into this because I think I'll get in trouble with biblical scholars.
	Noah is in his Ark and the Ark is sealed up in a cave in Jordan.
	And what it is today is modern day Jordan.
	Wow, so it's not on error?
	No, it's not on error.
	I really appreciate your show.
	Where are you by the way?
	I'm in Seattle, Washington.
	I really appreciate your show.
	Where are you by the way?
	I am in Seattle, Washington.
	And I just have a couple of questions about the UFO remote viewing.
	That there were humanoid like, or humans from the future.
	I wanted him to expand a little bit more on the differences.
	My second question is...
	What do you mean the differences?
	He said that there were differences between the humans that he saw from the future and
	the human race.
	Oh yes, yes, yes.
	And then the second question is whether they are all humans from the future or if there
	are aliens and is there a gender difference?
	Alright, Ed, you did say there were differences in these...
	you did call them humans from They are more durable than we are.
	Their bodies are more durable.
	That's something to look forward to, I guess.
	More durable.
	And then he did draw a line and say, look, after all is said and done, are there what we would call aliens as well?
	At least one class that we know of and is responsible for things in the sky, but they're not vehicles.
	It's a projection.
	It's like the opening of a window in the sky, and we see this opening moving around and call it a vehicle, but when in fact, it's a very distant world, and an intelligent race of what, on a very large gas giant, a hot planet.
	It would be like Venus, only a much bigger planet.
	And there's these things that I have described as upright newts.
	You know what a newt is?
	Mm-hmm.
	Looks like an upright newt, about three and a half, four feet tall, has this very advanced technology, They can actually open up a window and move the window around on our world and in our atmosphere and look around.
	So short answer is yes, there are aliens, but the intervention that's going on right now is not alien intervention.
	It's human intervention from the future.
	It's not necessarily human.
	It's human in conjunction with another system.
	This system has recruited certain humans.
	assist. It's sort of a self-help program. If half of what you say comes true in the future, we're
	going to need a lot of help, self and otherwise. Yes, we're going to need help repairing the ozone
	layer. We did a study many years ago for Lawrence Rockefeller's Human Potential Foundation, and that
	was called Planetary Ozone Depletion Projected Consequences and Remedial Technologies. That was
	done in 1991 or 1992. There are no remedial technologies, and the ozone layer is going to
	completely fail. In the future, we'll have help in putting up another gas layer. It won't be ozone.
	It will be another substitute. We're at the bottom of the hour.
	Hold on.
	We will be right back.
	My guest is Major Ed Dames.
	I'm Art Bell.
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	AT&T Keith Rowland just put it up.
	And it's a definite stomach turner.
	0903 this is ghost of ghost am with art bell on the premier radio network
	well this is absolutely disgusting but we've got a new photograph for you
	Keith Roland just put it up and it's a it's a definite stomach Turner it comes
	under the category of what the hell is that it's uh I don't I don't know what this is
	And I'm not sure I want to know.
	It's dead.
	Obviously it's real dead.
	And obviously it was once, at least partly, a cat.
	It's real dead though.
	The problem is that it appears to have webbed feet.
	I mean big webbed feet, like a duck.
	Oh, it's horrible.
	Absolutely horrible.
	So if you go to my website right now, and you go under what's new, you'll see another what is it.
	Click on that and you'll see the photograph.
	As I said, it's kind of a stomach turner.
	It should say what the hell is that.
	It says what's that.
	Go take a look and you let me know.
	And if you discover what it is, I'm not all too sure I want to know.
	And back into the dark of night we plunge with Major Ed Dames.
	Ed, are you there?
	I am.
	Art, let me remind your audience that the spring course scheduled for the DRV Institute is posted on my website, and there's a link to my website that Keith Rowan has up.
	That's the spring course, right?
	Yes, in Los Angeles.
	In L.A.?
	Yes.
	All right.
	And also, within days at least, the information on mine fire.
	I really enjoy listening to Mr. Ed Dames every time he's on.
	site.
	Oh, I'm Yusuf and I'm calling from Illinois.
	Okay.
	I am really surprised considering his interest in religious topics and his exploration of those topics that he did not issue a word of caution about something he's promoting which is his Mindfire program.
	The word of caution simply should be that there are two spiritual families on the earth, and that we cannot simply hand over our children's spiritual education, which I suppose Mindfire really is, we cannot simply hand it over to any one person without thinking beforehand what the effects will be.
	For anyone especially who has not been brought up in the Christian, Western, moralistic exoteric traditions of the United States, for anyone who
	has not been brought up in that to have their children this teaching, I think without
	further contemplation of the effects is really dangerous.
	I can't believe Ed would promote this without mentioning that word of caution.
	All right, Ed?
	Take a look at what your children are doing now and you'll see why my empire is going
	to be out there.
	I understand, Ed, but it is a remedial or a corrective...
	This is a mind tool.
	It has nothing to do with spirit.
	It has nothing to do with ethics or choices.
	that the corrective effort is for one class of people and one spiritual family may not be a proper means
	for another class.
	This is a mind.
	It may have detrimental effects.
	This is a mind tool.
	Has nothing to do with spirit, has nothing to do with ethics or choices.
	It allows someone, adults and children, to know when their minds are right, correct,
	and when it's wrong.
	And by doing that, it hones that skill so that in their everyday life,
	they can look at someone, someone on television or someone in front of them
	and know when that person is telling the truth and when they're not.
	I appreciate that and that is a principle.
	idea behind religious teaching. You do want to improve your mind, you want to improve your senses, you want to improve
	your sense of... and you're dealing with...
	Not to interrupt you too much, but you see here, the difference is that the person must go inside and feel
	around for the answer.
	They're not going to the external world to someone's opinion or library book to find an answer. They have to go
	inside to discern the answer for themselves and then they get the feedback because the kit has all the targets in it.
	It's like a workshop in itself. If they're right, it's simple, wonderful, fun...
	I don't disagree with the goal, Ed. What I'm saying is that there may be a different approach.
	Are you insisting that you have the one and only approach to attaining this state of mind?
	Which state of mind is that?
	This state of mind where one is focused and able to sense the truth?
	Absolutely not.
	It happens to be outside of memory?
	Memory has nothing to do with it.
	It happens to be an innate ability that we all have except It is not being fostered and implicated, and this kid hones it.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But you're saying you do not have the one and only method to be doing this?
	Of course not.
	No, but a method, a valid method.
	Hold on, hold on.
	This is an extremely revolutionary tool.
	There's nothing like this that has been out on the streets, and yes, it's a Pandora's box in one respect.
	But all that it is doing is honing, it's using a very fun kit to hone a very important skill, an innate ability that we as humans have allowed to atroply.
	Yes, I understand, but don't you think that this method has been referred to throughout various teachings in the world as something that's desirable and something we ought to be striving for?
	I'm sure that they have.
	it in one way, perhaps that other people in another part of the world have had to attain
	the same state of mind through a different method.
	That may well be.
	I'm sure that they have.
	Absolutely.
	But that does not necessarily detract from what you're offering.
	Actually, we're all going to have to wait and find out exactly what it is you're really
	How many days, Ed?
	About two weeks.
	All right, so people are going to need to watch your website very carefully.
	I'll announce it at other venues, too.
	This is an award-winning designer and publisher.
	This is a very high-quality product.
	It's a wonderful thing.
	It's nothing to be afraid of.
	It's something that's extremely exciting.
	I'm a little nervous talking to Ed.
	You're sort of like my idol.
	you have a chance to sneak previews. You can check it for me. I'd love that, yes, by all means do. Wildclaw Line, you
	are on the air with Major Ed Dames. Hi. Hi, I'm a little nervous talking to Ed. You're sort of like my idol. I want
	to thank you first off, Ed. I've been a remote viewer, an amateur remote viewer since about 14, 15 years ago. I've
	been a Except I never actually had a name for it until I heard John Art Bell.
	Is that a Canadian accent?
	It is.
	I'm calling from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.
	Way in the middle of the country.
	Anyway, I'm not going to ask you about the devil thing because you have seen it, done it, I know how you feel.
	Don't like to talk about it.
	But the question I got for you is actually I need some advice.
	I've been honing my skill lately.
	I've been able to look into people, so on and so forth, and like yourself, I ended up deciding to track, my area I wanted to track was child molesters.
	And I found a few, intervened a couple times through anonymous letters and so on, and eventually the person was caught and so on and so forth.
	but what's been happening lately within the past month is normally when I go to do some
	remote viewing I'll sit there in meditation and then I'll go out and remote view but these
	images lately have been coming in.
	You have to be taught.
	You have to be taught how to do it.
	I can even be, like I'll be just standing there at work, driving a car, shopping, all
	of a sudden, bang, in they come. No control. That's not what technical remote viewing is
	about. We are in extreme control, rigorous control of our perception. How do I get control
	of it again? You have to be taught. You have to be taught how to do it. It's a skill like
	skiing or learning how to bake a cake or flying a plane. It's a rigorous skill or learning
	how to structure a story or paragraph in English or learning how perspective in art. It's structured
	and it is a skill. It's not spontaneity, creative thinking.
	Free thinking is not allowed.
	We have rigid control.
	Ed, let me ask you this.
	A natural psychic, and there are, as I've heard you say, there certainly are natural psychics.
	Plenty of them.
	They, most times, many times, don't have control over what they see and feel.
	It just happens.
	Right.
	Can they actually get control of that psychic ability and begin to manage it?
	Not without training, Art.
	Otherwise, we would have used them to support military operations, but it didn't work because the psychic was not able to focus on a target and hold it, and most importantly, the natural psychic did not know when their imagination was beginning to infiltrate and overlay the data, and that's the most important thing.
	They didn't know when they lost the target.
	Yeah, I can understand.
	In the old days of the remote peering training in the unit, The techniques that we use, we did not know when we lost the target either.
	Only until I developed technical remote viewing were we able to have the checks and balances and know when we're on target and know when we're off.
	Yes, I can understand the military could never accept the randomness of a natural psychic as anything they could use.
	Alright, Houston to the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Major Ed Dames, huh?
	Yes, thank you so much.
	My name is Sam.
	I'm from St.
	Louis, Missouri on 97.1 FM, 100,000 watts.
	Put your name out there.
	Yes, sir.
	Ed Dames, my question is, would be about terrorism.
	Are acts of, like, cults maybe taking some kind of terroristic acts upon American soil?
	Do you see anything like this?
	Have you seen, is this, I remember you talked about some type of attack there in New York City once.
	A plan for an attack, yes.
	Actually, New York City and another city in the United States.
	These are the kind of things that really can't be talked about even if we had the information.
	You go to my website and you look at where it says TRV Institute Special Studies on that particular webpage.
	You'll see the areas of expertise that Remote Viewing has proven itself to be very efficacious, and one of those is counter-terrorism, if you read that.
	Okay, one more comment about something.
	The Illuminati.
	Ed Daines, do you believe it's possible that they have the eyeball of George Washington in a jar?
	Did you eat breakfast this morning or take the bus?
	All right.
	Wells to the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Major Ed Daines.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Person with your radio on.
	Hello.
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Gone.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	This is Art.
	Yes.
	Hi.
	I'd like to talk with Ed.
	Well, he's right here.
	Just turn off your radio.
	Okay.
	Hi.
	My name's Florian.
	I'm calling from Crackmas, Oregon.
	Yes, of course.
	My question for Ed, hi Ed, nice to have you back on the air with Art, of course.
	Welcome back, thank you.
	You make an extraordinary story time in the evening, as we call it instead of daytime.
	My question for you, Ed, was have you done any remote viewing on what you think our theory is of the afterlife?
	Well, we kind of did that one a little earlier.
	Okay, I must have missed that.
	Okay, I'll answer it for you.
	It's not possible to look at somebody who has died.
	There is a kind of a brick wall there and so we can't look past it.
	Right, Ed?
	Correct.
	So what you do is you just do long future or past future or present and remote viewing?
	We can look at physical, tangible events, physical, tangible things in the past, present, or the future.
	But we cannot look at, we cannot, we do not have chain of custody of esoteric things, such as a soul.
	We have no way to relate to it.
	We can't get a hook into it.
	Our mind can't grasp it, so we can't follow it.
	Well, I'm glad you have no hook into my soul.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	How you doing?
	All right.
	Joe from Boston.
	I wish we could get you on an FM station so you'd be on the full six, five hours, but they don't do that here at Boston.
	They screw around.
	So I've already spoke to Affiliate Relations.
	I'm doing my part.
	All right, my friend.
	Welcome, anyway.
	Ed, how you doing?
	Hi, Joe.
	Ed, I'm a blind person.
	I'm having a hard time getting in touch with you and getting your tapes and stuff like that.
	The tapes that I made with another company were very effective for very few people who really wanted to put in a lot of time and learn that.
	But after years of talking to people who had the tapes, I would say, well, where are you?
	How are you doing?
	Well, they're still sitting on my shelf, something like that, and that is why I developed Mindfire.
	I don't have a computer.
	Is there any way we can get in touch with you by mail?
	You can call us back because some of us who are visually impaired don't have the money for these computers and they're very expensive.
	Alright, let's leave it there and see if there is a contact.
	Is there a phone number or email?
	No, I guess not email.
	Just wait.
	Wait a month and you'll be fine.
	This kit is inexpensive and you won't need a computer to get in touch with it.
	It will be marketed nationwide.
	I had a question for you, please.
	I had a question for you please.
	I know that when you have remote viewed you have seen a lot of people on the earth coming
	down with different plagues and things.
	But I had a different kind of question about health.
	It seems like a lot of people are having waves of dizziness and frontal headaches and even
	like children, my children and other children that I know.
	Have you seen this in remote viewing and is this due like to different frequencies of the earth and the way the earth is revolving right now?
	And if you have seen something like this, have you also seen any different healing modalities that could help people that are going through that?
	What is your name?
	My name is Linda.
	Linda, I am not familiar with that syndrome.
	Okay.
	And if were I to study it, I would take, instead of taking the whole collective idea, I would take one specific example.
	Okay.
	Let's say one child or one adult, one incident, and I would use that as a remote viewing target to find out what that malady was.
	Okay.
	I wouldn't use a collective.
	Okay.
	Just to add that question, because it seems like within the last four or five years, Um, not only like in my family, but teachers and other people that you've talked to, um, will say, you know, that they've had, like, waves of dizziness and things like that, and I was just wondering if you had seen... Alright, well, the answer to that, uh, is no, ma'am, but, uh, if... You know, you never know.
	I mean, it's something Ed might be able to take on, but as he said, on an individual basis.
	We're almost out of time.
	Welcome to the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	How's it going tonight, Art?
	It's going okay.
	Where are... How's it going, Ed?
	Hey, um, I had one question.
	I'm, uh, Mike from Yakima.
	Yes, Mike.
	Uh, the one thing is about, uh, you had the other night about, uh, predictions?
	Yes.
	And, uh, the one thing I, I keep, uh, having, uh, remote viewing of is something about the Earth, uh, going into, like, a whole nother, uh, stage where it's gonna erupt from all over all the continents.
	Like where there's cities, there's going to be rocks and mountains and... Right.
	In other words, major earth changes is what you're talking about.
	Well, remote viewing is not a prediction thing.
	Predictions are made by people who think they're psychic, and sometimes are, and sometimes are about as psychic as a brick.
	Remote viewing is a very different discipline, and I guess that's the way I'd put it, Ed.
	We can do some forecasts, especially on geophysical phenomena, but I don't think it serves any useful purpose now.
	I think we're... Well, if you really can, then lately, Ed, there have been mutual, mutual earthquakes all around me, getting very close, almost in a circle around me here in the desert, Ed.
	And I've been a little concerned about that.
	The earthquakes are getting a little bit out of control and they're getting awfully close to me.
	You haven't seen anything, have you?
	No.
	Good.
	I haven't looked.
	Good, thank you.
	I'm not sure I want to.
	Yeah, I'm not sure I want you to either.
	It's like the new photograph we've got on the website.
	Maybe better not to look.
	Thank you.
	It's been wonderful having you on again.
	It's a pleasure.
	It's nice to have a little reunion, kind of a Dr. Dunn's Valentine's Day Massacre radio show.
	I couldn't have said it better.
	Ed, thank you.
	Good to hear you again, Art.
	Yeah, good to hear your voice, too.
	We'll do it again.
	Good night, Ed.
	Good night.
	And good night, everybody.

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