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Feb. 14, 2001 - Art Bell
03:39:59
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Linda Moulton Howe - Alien Area 51 - Time Traveler Lines
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Moulton Howe, who has a really interesting report for you on this whole thing that was just done with regard to the asteroid.
Actually landing, incredibly, not designed to, but landing on an asteroid and living to tell about it.
That's what one of our space probes just did.
So all of that coming up in a moment.
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And now, Linda Moulton Howe, who began her journey in high strangeness as an environmental reporter.
And boy, I'll tell you, the environment is highly strange, still.
And she still reports on it.
An investigator of crop circles, animal mutilations, all kinds of high strangeness.
And, of course, an author.
A couple of times now, at least, if not more.
From Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Linda Boltow.
Hi, Linda.
Hi, Art.
And happy Valentine's.
Oh, the very same to you, former Miss Idaho.
And it's four books now.
Hopefully, we'll be talking about the fourth one next month, Mysterious Lights.
Four books.
Mysterious Lights.
Yeah.
And we'll have a lot to talk about that, I think.
But tonight, It is this amazing human feat out in our solar system that humans have accomplished.
And in a way, it started about five years ago when this was launched, and then on Valentine's Day a year ago, NASA's Near Shoemaker spacecraft went into orbit around this asteroid called 433 Eros.
It's a big rock, 21 miles long, and about 196 million miles from Earth, orbiting between Mars and Jupiter.
And over the past year, NEAR kept orbiting EROS, taking thousands of photographs, literally.
And then, two days ago, on February 12th, as an experiment, at the very end of this amazing orbit, the Mission Control gave it a command to slowly head down toward the asteroid.
At about 3.02 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time, descending at four miles an hour, Nearby King, the first Earth-made vehicle to land on an asteroid.
This would be called a, oh, what the hell maneuver, right?
That's right.
If it's going to end, let's see what we can do.
That's right.
Well, it took photographs all the way, and the last one before impact, plus several others, are at my website www.earthfiles.com in the science section.
You can go to Earth Files now and see those asteroid images, and there is a link to the NEAR site that has dozens more.
And not only did the NEAR spacecraft land, it's still operating!
Much to the surprise of the engineers and scientists.
And today, NASA announced that NEAR's work on the asteroid will be extended for up to 10 more days to gather more science data.
Wow!
Yes, it's all an amazing and unpredictable, which is what makes it so wonderful.
And one of the project scientists is Lucy McFadden.
She's a geologist and professor of astronomy at the University of Maryland.
She's been working on NEAR over this whole period.
And I talked with her about this historic Eros landing in which the orbiter survived and kept sending signals.
Here he is, Dr. McFadden.
Excellent.
And we weren't expecting that, so it was all very exciting.
But then the mission director, the person who's in charge of basically driving the spacecraft, he got all excited.
He said, well, wouldn't it be great if we could, you know, launch again from the asteroid?
Look back and take a picture of where we landed.
But his engineers did an assessment from this telemetry packet, which has information about the spacecraft in it, and they determined that they only have about one kilogram of fuel, which is not enough to do anything.
So basically, we're sitting there.
But meanwhile, one of the other team leaders, Jack Tromka, who's in charge of the X-ray gamma ray spectrometer, He and his team said, oh, no, wait a minute.
We're sitting right here on the surface.
And we can detect gamma rays, the natural radiation from the soil surface itself.
And maybe we can make some measurements if we integrated for a week, turned our spectrometer, gamma ray spectrometer back on and integrated for a week.
You'd get some improved signal and get a very good measurement for this part of the soil.
Now, if you can get the permission for extending communication with the spacecraft on Eros for the gamma ray research, what would that gamma ray information tell you?
Tell us about the elemental composition of the soil.
And from that, what could you learn?
Well, we're interested in that.
I'm particularly interested in that because I've been analyzing reflected sunlight in the near-infrared, which gives us signatures of metals, of minerals, which is rocks, the minerals in the rocks.
But if we can get the abundance of the element iron, for example, that will constrain our analysis.
The iron has to exist in a certain state, and it allows us to To determine whether all of the iron is in the crystal structure that I measure in the near-infrared spectrum, or whether some of it is in metallic iron, which I don't measure in the mineral spectrum.
And that's a very important piece of information, whether I can get it, whether it's all in the structures, the mineral structures, or whether some of it's in the metallic state.
If you can refine what the minerals are on the surface of Aero, What will that tell you about the bigger picture?
The composition of the minerals there is a reflection of the processing that has gone on on the surface.
Whether it's material that condensed at the early time of the solar system or whether it's been partially heated or heated since it formed.
So the knowledge of the minerals and the distribution of metallic iron Some of my teammates are starting to model mechanisms which would move some of the dust, fill in the craters.
formed at the beginning of the solar system or whether it may have experienced some subsequent heating in its course,
in its use in the solar system.
Some of my teammates are starting to model mechanisms which would move some of the dust,
fill in the craters.
We see a lot of filled-in craters.
But there is a question, you know, are these craters, deep craters that are filled in with a lot of stuff,
or are they flat craters that aren't very deep that don't have much?
But that's one of the questions as we move into the realm of geology and studying a geological body.
We're trying to figure out how this material moves around on the surface, how parts of eros are smooth, filled in.
We're actually calling them ponds.
They seem to be filled in and smooth.
But there's still, there are rocks, when you get up there, there are rocks all over the place.
So it's still rough in many, you know, it's still also rough at the same time that there are places that are smooth.
And why do you think that there are so many more rocks for your area than they even move?
Well, that's another question we're trying to quantify.
That's our first assumption.
That's our first sense when we look at it, but you know what?
We have to actually sit there, count the rocks per square area, and compare it to the rocks count on the Moon.
So, you know, before we spend a lot of time trying to explain the difference, we're still getting our facts.
I think the last time we talked, we also had the question about what is it that produced the asteroid belt, On the first sight, some people have speculated that maybe there was some sort of a planetary body there, and that there was some kind of an impact that drove it up.
No, I think we're pretty comfortable with the model that there was no... that it's the gravitational force of Jupiter interplaying with the gravitational force of the Sun that prevented the planet from growing in the asteroid belt.
So that there was never any big planet-sized object.
The asteroids are just failed planets.
But you're still left with a mystery about why there are these unusual new areas on Earth, right?
I think our mystery is what's the distribution of the boulders and the distribution of the craters.
Are there small craters?
Is there an absence of small craters?
When we look around now, we've looked all over Aerosmith.
There's a lot of activity.
I mean, we've gotten down We've gotten down until we see things that are inches across.
And so it doesn't look smooth anymore.
There's all these rocks and boulders.
It's pretty rough.
There's places that are relatively smoother, but that's inside one of the larger features.
We're debating whether it's a crater or not.
We think it's a crater.
Is that that sort of saddle-shaped site where you landed?
Right.
That area is now called Humerus.
And that is very unusual to look at in the aerial photograph.
Right, and that's from a large distance it looks relatively smoother, but when we get down there and we landed in that area, when you get down and look up close, there is still, it's very rough.
There's a lot of debris spread out all over the asteroid.
Mission operators say the touchdown speed of less than four miles an hour It may have been one of the slowest planetary landings in history.
They also have a better picture of what happened in those moments after the landing.
What they originally thought was that the spacecraft bounced.
But, it may be that what happened, since it seemed to have been balanced so well there, that it took a short little hop or a jiggle on the surface, the thrusters were still firing when the craft hit, But it cut off on impact and your shoemaker came down only about 650 feet.
from the projected landing site, and this little car-sized object was never even designed to land.
This was one of those things that people tried, and it really worked this time.
As I said, oh, what the hell.
Might as well have had it in the end anyway.
Well, and one thing that's really interesting is that near Shoemaker, it snapped 69 pictures during the final three miles that it was going down, the highest resolution images that have ever been obtained on an asteroid.
And the camera delivered clear pictures from as close as 394 feet, showing features as small as one centimeter across.
That's really tiny.
And the images included several things that have really piqued the scientists' curiosity, such as there are boulders that look like they're fractured, there's a football field-sized crater filled with dust that Dr. McFadden was talking about, And a mysterious area where the surface appears to have collapsed in, inwards.
What is that about?
And they have a lot of work to do on the photos and from this gamma ray spectrometer.
So this has really been an exciting news.
What a great memorial to Dr. Shoemaker, huh?
Oh, she and I, Dr. McFadden and I were talking about this, that I had interviewed him when those 21 objects slammed into Jupiter.
I was at the Space Telescope Institute, and he was thrilled with being able to explore in the solar system from a geologist's point of view.
And she had known Dr. Shoemaker, and she said that what we accomplished in the last five years, culminating this week on EROS, Would have thrilled him and that to have his name on this orbiter that he's in
So successful is a wonderful tribute to this man.
Yes, it is.
You said it took photographs right until it impacted, right?
That's right, the very last one.
You've got those on your website, people can see them.
I guess it got really, really close and they didn't see any, no rock bugs, right?
No!
Now here on Earth, stuff does grow in rocks.
Now in space, I know, No rain, lots of sun, and a rock and minerals.
So, it's not totally outrageous that some weird form of life, mineral-eaten life, could exist, is it?
It would be great if Near could get up on little wheels now and roll around, but unfortunately it is stuck there.
There is one interesting thing when you talk about some of these mysterious... There's structures.
For example, There is a two or three photograph, they're also at earthviles.com, in which it looks like squares cut in the asteroid.
And she and I talked about it.
She said that on our planet there is a square crater, an impact crater, from some time in the distant Earth past.
And the analysis is that the reason why it's square instead of circular has to do with the crystal structure of hard rock as opposed to soft.
If it's something we throw into softer sedimentary, it may look like a circle, but if it goes into hard rock, it's going to fracture in these odd square-like 90-degree patterns.
Well, there's several of these square-like depressions on Eros.
And they have a lot of close-up photographic analyses that they're going to do, because there's so many photographs.
Linda, she said affirmatively that it was a failed planet, that asteroids are failed planets.
I think what she meant was in answer to my question, because I had actually asked her in another part of the interview, Uh, is it possible that the asteroid belt was a planet or a planetary body that had been hit and been fractured?
She seemed very sure not.
That it is not, and most scientists agree with her that all of the rubble between Mars and Jupiter It is from either debris or there might have been a gaseous body that would have formed into a planet but could never have done so because of the gravitational pull of Jupiter.
Well, there is some argument about all of this, though.
In other words, what asteroids are.
There are some who believe that planets have exploded, that planets have fractured, that they've been hit by big things and become little things.
That's not too outrageous to imagine, is it?
No, the idea of something coming through the system and hitting and glancing on things, clearly something big, well, we're talking about 5 or 6 miles across, slammed into the Yucatan, and that's what wiped out the dinosaurs, but that's still an asteroid-sized thing.
The question about what happened between Mars and Jupiter, From the scientist's point of view rests with the gravitational pull of Jupiter, every scientist I've talked to.
It's interesting and it's a science fiction speculation to think that there was something there that might have gotten hit.
I've got another little science fiction scenario for you while we're talking about asteroids.
You know, science fiction movies have always shown wars between aliens and Earth.
And I got to thinking, why would any alien need to go to war with us?
If they didn't want Earth here anymore, or even the human race here anymore, how many of these big asteroids would they have to change the orbit of to do us in?
You know, game over.
Probably not many, but it may not be in their interest, because it's very clear that slamming an asteroid into the Earth causes so much devastation, and it may be that it's in the interest of all life in the universe to actually preserve life.
Oh, I know, but I mean, just theoretically... It wouldn't take...
It wouldn't take many large ones to put it that way.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
I mean, the human race would go with probably one really large one, and everything after that would be tossing the ashes around.
Well, I interviewed one of the scientists studying the Yucatan impact,
and it was surprising to hear that in the computer model, they think that the thing that hit the Earth was about six
miles in diameter, and that it caused literal flames spreading out, causing
trees to burn, that there was a huge spread of fire from the impact,
let alone all of the debris that went up into the atmosphere,
causing what they refer to as a kind of false winter, in which the sun is blocked out for a period of time,
killing the plants, which then is what caused the extinction of most of the
surface life, including the dinosaurs.
Alright, Linda, your information or contact?
Is my email at earthfiles, at earthfiles.com.
And the website is earthfiles.com.
And your fax number? 215 4-9-1-9-8-4-2.
And this new book, Mysterious Lights and Crop Circles, the first printing pretty much sold out, and the second printing is to be out at the end of March, and it would be fun to do a long show with you to talk about it.
Linda, you just told me about it, and you're telling me it's already sold out.
Well, the first one, yeah.
So it's going into another printing, and it would be, I think, it's a very interesting book.
We're covering a lot of aspects of the history of the Earth in relationship to some of these symbols, so maybe we can talk about that next month.
Oh, definitely.
All right, Linda, we really appreciate the report on the asteroid.
I know a lot more than I did, and I'll look forward to seeing the photographs.
Good night.
Thank you.
Take care, Linda.
That's Linda Moulton Howe, a reporter on this program and Dreamland for a long, long time.
All right.
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Then in the next half hour I've got another guest for a short while on the subject of MRI.
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I bet you've been wondering what are the odds, right?
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Filed February 15th in the French press.
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The chance that Russia's decrepit space station Mir Could crash to Earth when it is nudged out of orbit is as high as, get this, it's according to a Russian space official, one in thirty-three.
As said Vladimir Asolyov, any technical equipment can fail any time.
We put the risk at 2-3%, however he hastened to add right now.
Everything is fine on board the station.
We have permanent contact with Mir.
Russia has accepted offers of NASA and the European Space Agency to compute the decaying orbit of Mir when the time comes to push it down into the atmosphere with mortal rocket blasts from the attached Progress supply ship.
The operation, taking Mir out of orbit, burning as much as 135 tons of its mass up as it burns back into the atmosphere and tracking it to what is said to be its final point of impact in the ocean south of Australia, would take two or three days.
In other words, they're not going to do it all at once.
It's going to kind of slip into the atmosphere.
They're going to burn as much up before impact.
The progress graph is to begin maneuvering Mir into a lower orbit late this month.
Then they think the final impact is expected early next month.
The re-entry phase itself, once it begins, according to Mr. Solovov, would take about 15 minutes.
Space experts have warned that if anything were to go wrong during the operation sections, that, you know, some don't burn up properly.
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I don't know what goes on in Mir, so...
It'll be interesting to see it, uh, come down.
There's gonna be an aircraft, of course, that's gonna fly, and, uh, it's been chartered by people who have money to do that kind of thing.
And watch Mir come down, so they'll get the best view of it, hopefully not too good.
Now let's see, what else is going on?
Mad Cow Disease.
I am starting to get so damn much stuff on Mad Cow Disease.
Of course, we have a show scheduled.
How about, uh, From Sandy, Utah, Art, I've been watching the Mad Cow situation for several years now.
People don't realize how serious it really is when Europeans realized what they had on their hands.
They killed their animals, mixed them into animal feed.
Brilliant, huh?
This feed was set worldwide.
Mad Cow disease, says Leone, is now everywhere.
Chickens and pigs have been eating the feed, as have deer and elk.
When they come down in the winter, Mad Cow disease is caused by a prion.
Or protein, which can't be destroyed by normal means.
It's true.
Actually, I think it's not even... If you burn a carcass, you don't destroy a prion.
This out-of-shape thing, protein.
Whatever it is.
It takes, I understand, about 1200 degrees of heat to destroy it.
Now, think about that.
So, do you really want to be burning carcasses?
No.
Probably not.
And then I got this today.
Mad Bee Disease.
That's right, Mad Bee Disease hits French honey harvest.
Millions of French honeybees suffering from Mad Bee Disease are becoming so disoriented, they're unable to find their way back to their home, causing a dramatic drop in honey production.
Honeybees will die within hours.
They've got fast little systems, don't they, if they cannot find their way home.
Only bees collecting nectar from sunflowers appear to be affected thus far, and environmentalists are pointing the finger at a systematic pesticide.
Yesterday, the government ordered a two-year extension of a ban on using that pesticide on sunflower seeds to allow more study of its impact on bees.
So, we've got some sort of mad bee disease.
Now, the following I'm going to read to you, but I certainly don't warrant that it's true.
Somebody up in the area is going to have to tell me.
I have no idea whether this is true.
It sounds as though it's written as though it's true, and that doesn't mean it is.
It's entitled, Strange Doings in Tacoma.
I've had a bit of intrigue here in Tacoma recently.
There was an incident recently in a local bank where a well-dressed middle-aged man walked into the lobby and while waiting in line for a teller started to severely hemorrhage other customers even the bank employees were so scared they moved away from the man just watched as he bled out blood coming from his eyes nose mouth you know everywhere in huge amounts
What was really strange was that he remained on his feet while he bled out for almost five minutes.
Finally collapsing on the floor where he died in his own blood.
Bank security cameras captured the whole thing on tape.
Healthcare professionals have absolutely no idea what would cause something like this to happen.
Some form apparently of hemorrhagic fever was initially suspected, but they don't think that's what it is.
Well, if this is a true story, big if, then I don't know what else it would be.
Only hemorrhagic fever causes that sort of thing, doesn't it?
And then this.
Headline, Dying Geese Puzzle Biologist.
Hundreds of Atlantic Brant geese began turning up dead in the Edwin B. Forsyth National Wildlife Refuge last November And not all died quietly.
Some fell from the sky in mid-flight, stricken by a mysterious ailment whose origin continues to stump wildlife biologists and disease experts alike.
One motorist reported seeing a bird drop suddenly from above, floundering in its path before crashing into a guardrail.
The carcasses of others were found in the sprawling wildlife refuge outside Atlantic City and on the beaches of the neighboring island of Brigantine.
The die-off is indeed puzzling.
The dead geese appear perfectly healthy otherwise.
Any body fat, no signs of trauma.
Lab examinations show no evidence of West Nile virus, cholera, pesticide, poisoning, or any other common killer of waterfowl.
And I worry when I read stories like this.
You know, I think we all ought to worry.
We keep hearing about die-offs.
About animals that begin to be predators of animals they have never been predators of before.
Things are changing out there, folks.
Here's another one for you.
You might know about this.
A bizarre goo that began washing up on Pensacola Beach late last week has scientists with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection looking to their federal counterparts for help.
The goo, which is now being reported as far east as Fort Walton Beach and as far west as Alabama, is washing up foamy and slimy and then drying in the sand as a dark crust.
Oh, wonderful!
Coming from our sea.
Scientists with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection have run several tests on the mysterious substance, but still have not the slightest idea what it is.
They plan to ask the local federal Environmental Protection Agency lab to help solve the mystery today.
A DEP spokesperson said, to spread that far makes me think it's a natural occurrence.
But it didn't react to any of the tests, so they have no idea what this is.
No idea.
He doesn't think it's dangerous.
But, just in case, mind you, he has asked people on the beach to avoid it anyway.
Now, what would be your inclination?
Would you avoid it?
You go to the beach, And there, instead of the wonderfully crystalline crashing waves coming ashore, you find something gooey, foamy, slimy, that dries in the sand as a dark crust.
Oh, well, let's just go surf a little bit, shall we?
Hey, maybe I'll include Area 51.
Let me include Area 51 in the calls that I'll take tonight.
Area 51.
Anybody working, past or present at Area 51 is allowed to call.
Listen to this.
Dear Art, my wife and I used to drive team in a semi hauling loads for the Department of Defense and the DOE.
We picked up a load for DOE hauling a ram load, whatever that is, to the Nevada test site.
I dropped my wife and two pugs off at a hotel in Vegas, as only one person can go inside the site and there are no pets allowed.
So I exited off US-95, drove five miles to the main gate Breathed by a host of warning signs along the way.
Oh, yes, they have a lot of warning signs up there warning of incarceration Bullets that could enter your body, you know, that's that's a bit of a lot of warning signs Anyway, this guy's going in to area 51 legally.
He says I parked my rig and walked inside to check in with the guards After I was issued a badge I was given a map of On it were numbered grids and most of the roads inside.
I then drove the 38 miles to my assigned unloading area, Area 31.
And in parenthesis, he puts unescorted.
Yes, there was an Area 51 grid on the map.
And he ended, uh, with kind of a taunting, saw very interesting things.
Oh, I'd like to talk to this man.
This is, uh, 18-wheel-wheeler, uh, you know, who actually had authorization to drive all the way in the area.
Well, not 51, but into that area adjacent to 51.
38 miles, that's a long ways in.
Closest any of us can get, really, legally, is the mailbox.
I'll pass out, but he got to go 38 miles in.
What do you think he saw?
Well, we can only wonder.
All right, well, I've got kind of a treat coming up for you after we do the news at the top of the hour now.
Before we begin our open line calls, which will encompass much, I've got a very well-credentialed scientist who's going to talk to us a little bit about MRI.
And it's kind of interesting because She thinks that seeing entities or apparitions around an MRI machine... Well, let's put it this way.
She's not so surprised.
Now, she's got a hell of a background.
A heavyweight.
Degrees from Boston University, UCLA, University of Southern California.
Has been a member of three Nobel Prize winning research teams, including the Salk Institute, Tulane University Medical School.
That's pretty heavy stuff.
And she's not surprised that entities are seen near an MRI.
And surprisingly, she has granted us an interview.
Linda Honor.
Dr. Linda Honor is going to talk to us here shortly.
Right after the news.
And then I'm going to read you a couple of faxes that I've got from people who also have extensive experience with MRI.
It just all hit me.
I know about electromagnetic fields and their effect on human beings, or at least I know something about it.
And so when I got that original call, it was like a light bulb went on and I went, aha!
Gigantic electromagnetic fields.
Seeing things that may be around us all the time.
Or, you could argue, affecting the human brain and causing us to see things.
One way or the other.
Certainly is it.
Indraazi is going to be the next segment.
Then, open lines, so get ready.
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them what I've been seeing. And that began kind of an odyssey.
A lightbulb went off for me and I said, oh my god, of course, uh... The Philadelphia Experiments.
Remember?
Large electromagnetic fields?
Right?
Large electromagnetic fields.
Remember now, when ghosts are seen, what do the investigators do with magnetometers?
To look for electromagnetic anomaly, right?
So the lightbulb went off and I went, boy, of course!
And then I began to get some emails from some of you.
About some of you working near MRI machines.
Remarkable emails.
I'll read them here in a little while.
But basically tonight we're going to have open lines.
With one short exception coming up.
And when we do get to the open lines part of this show, I'm going to be looking for those of you who have had experience near MRI machines or other large electromagnetic fields and have seen things.
Entities.
That's what I'm going to be looking for.
And also, at the same time, as a matter of fact, let me add Area 51, we're going to just open it up to everything, including the following.
Guess I shouldn't say everything, including the following.
Strange encounters of the time kind.
Strange encounters of the fourth kind, or that'd be close encounters.
Abduction, actually.
Of dimensional experiences, and of anybody with knowledge of Area 51, like the truck driver that I read the email from a little while ago, who drove 38 miles into the area.
He should call me right away.
But coming up in a moment, a very brave doctor, Dr. Linda Honor.
I'll tell you all about her in a moment, because she has a word or two to say to you about MRI.
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This is the fax that I received that began it all.
Dear Ms.
DeBell, I am faxing a copy of my MRI letter of concern, which was published in a professional journal, Hospital Practice.
This letter provides evidence for A physiological compromise.
Physiological, that's physical compromise on three levels in people who have had exposure to the MRI.
This scientifically documented physiologic compromise includes molecular binding problems at the level of the receptor, genetic damage which may not become immediately apparent and may remain latent for a generation or more, and cellular proliferation which may result in tumor development.
In addition, several years ago, I submitted an additional statement of further concern, which was accepted for publication by Gwen Wyckoff, who was the editor-in-chief of Perceptions Magazine.
However, immediately prior to publication, I decided to withdraw the article, because I felt the general public was not ready to hear what I had to say.
Ms.
Wyckoff graciously agreed to my withdrawal request.
In that statement, I suggested that because MRI functions by means of magnetic fields, and because we are electromagnetic energy fields, I.e.
our spirits or souls.
That exposure to the artificially induced magnetic fields which are generated by the MRI may compromise the integrity of our inherent electromagnetic energy systems.
In other words, our souls.
I hope this information will be helpful for your scheduled program this evening on MRIs and the perception of ghostly entities As I explained when I called into your program several years ago, I do know that, in response to a question posed by another caller as to whether the MRI had anything in common with a Philadelphia experiment, the MRI and the Philadelphia experiment use similar technologies.
As a result, the experiences of MRI technicians who experience trans-dimensional entities when in close proximity to a functional MRI is not at all surprising In parenthesis, to me.
It might be helpful to your show to know that I'm a behavioral neuroscientist, psychologist, am a university professor, medical research scientist, and clinical psychotherapist with degrees from, get this folks, Boston University, UCLA, and the University of Southern California.
I have previously been a member of three Nobel Prize winning research teams Including the Salk Institute and Tulane University Medical School have conducted related research in the laboratories of other renowned scientists such as Dr. Jonas Salk.
And I have recently been named as an outstanding scientist of the 20th century in Europe among other recognitions.
Well, I hope this enclosed information may be helpful for your understanding of MRI and may serve as a referential foundation for your program on MRI-related experiences, which is scheduled to air this evening.
Now, I would never have expected somebody this credentialed to come forward and talk about anything like this in a million years.
And yet, here is Dr. Linda Arndt.
Hi, Doctor.
Well, Mr. Bell, so very nice to talk with you this evening.
Well, I'm surprised to be talking to you, Doctor, and I should tell the audience that when I did call you after I got this, you certainly did not intend to go on the air, and I asked you to, and you paused and said, well, I have career considerations, and I bet you do.
Yes.
That was a short little laugh, so I think it's a serious concern.
Doctor, have you heard stories yourself about unusual occurrences near MRI operating machines?
Yes, I've heard a number of stories and I think that's one of the reasons why I wrote this letter of concern that was published in Hospital Practice.
One of the major concerns that I had initially was simply that people who would have had MRIs, because I'm a brain specialist, I was especially interested in head MRIs.
And those folks who had head MRIs would come off the machine talking about how they had an out-of-it sensation.
And they almost uniformly would describe it as an out-of-it sensation.
They would talk about a dream-like state that they felt they were in.
Really?
Yes.
Do technicians, when they're going to do a brain MRI, Warn people of that possible side effect?
Do they ever say anything about it?
Not that I know of.
Well, that's interesting.
In counterpoint, as a matter of fact, to my knowledge, the general medical community seems to feel that the MRI is very safe.
Well, I'm sure, and I want to be careful here, I've also had an MRI myself.
No strange experiences during it.
And I found out what was wrong with my back.
So it has obvious good applications.
I'm not ripping MRI apart in any way here.
Absolutely.
MRI is a wonderful technology.
However, as with any other medical technique or any medical application of any type, MRI has some serious Potential, let's just call them potential side effects that could be problems down the road.
And I'm not sure that the medical community has adequately addressed that.
And as a scientist, I have some reservation.
We will get into the sort of physiological aspect of it here in a moment, but you actually, yourself, you mentioned the Philadelphia experiment.
Yes.
I have, I tell you, I have these messages from people who have seen these entities in strange shapes and all the rest of it.
One can imagine one of two possibilities, I suppose, right?
That the MRI is inducing hallucinations because we are electromagnetic beings, so that's a whole lot of electromagnetic energy pouring into our heads.
Or one might imagine that it's possible that the MRI machine is actually allowing a little glimpse of what might be around us all the time.
Or a third possibility might be that in fact there might be a dissociation of the electromagnetic energy system of the person who's on the machine.
That sounded like the first one.
Repeat that please.
Dissociation of the person who is actually being tested on the machine.
So it might not be the same thing as perhaps someone having a I think you called it a hallucination.
I'm not sure that is a magnetic field.
Yeah, that was a word.
Visions... I'm talking about something that might be very real, rather than a hallucination per se.
As a psychotherapist, I think of a hallucination as a sensory event that may not be consistent with something of this reality.
I see.
You also mentioned our souls.
Yes.
You believe we have souls?
Well, I think that's consistent with a lot of the religious perspectives in Far Eastern tradition.
They call it the etheric and the Far Eastern soul here.
Yes.
Since we know that we are electromagnetic beings, then would it make sense, or does it make sense to you, that our souls are electromagnetic, at least to some degree?
Well, in fact, we can measure them.
And that's what electroencephalography is.
We can measure souls?
We can measure the electromagnetic energies that are associated with the life force, whatever that might be.
And some people might refer to that, perhaps, as the soul or the etheric.
Ah, that's really interesting.
When you look at a person's body, is there any area of the body, this is a dumb layman question, where you measure more electromagnetic radiation than other parts of the body?
To the best of my knowledge, it's consistent all the way around.
Although, perhaps in the Far Eastern tradition, they might talk about chakras.
Right.
And that sort of thing.
So there might be some extra emanations in those areas.
Huh.
Absolutely fascinating.
Has anybody done, to your knowledge, a definitive study on side effects observed with MRI?
No, not as of this particular juncture in time, and it's my understanding because there's a funding problem.
Yeah, well, it's a funding problem, right?
All right.
Let me ask you about the physiological effects that you are concerned about.
Obviously, without studies, we don't know anything for certain, but what concerns do you have?
Well, the concerns that I have have actually been tested with rats and mice.
And in my letter of concern that appeared in hospital practice, I documented, well, I submitted with my letter of concern over 40 references of scientists who had investigated the effects of electromagnetic energies, induced electromagnetic fields on physiological systems.
And the three things that they repeatedly reported were, as you had alluded to earlier
in the letter that I had faxed to you, the first one being chemical compromise, that
there seems to be a misshaping of the molecules so that the molecules don't fit appropriately
into the receptors.
Now it would seem that because molecules are charged entities that these electromagnetic
fields, I'm sorry, these magnetic fields would induce a stretching of the molecule.
And then those molecules would not necessarily fit into the receptors, but then at the same time, the receptors are also molecules.
And in many instances, the molecules may be peptides, which are little proteins, and the receptors are also peptides, which are little proteins.
And so these don't seem to mesh anymore.
There isn't that lock and key fit, which is very simplistic, but it gives an idea.
And then you're suggesting that the effects, whatever they might be, might not show up until a generation later?
Well, especially with the genetic Any genetic compromise that may possibly come from MRI exposure, as the molecules would stretch, like peptides, for instance, and the related receptors, so DNA templates could also stretch.
And the nucleotides that make up those DNA templates may be stretched because they're also charged species.
And so in that way then, because the genetic templates serve As a mold, so to speak, for the synthesis of the peptides, then, in fact, we may have a problem beginning with the genes, or the DNA, rather, so that the DNA doesn't code properly for the synthesis of the peptides, then the peptides don't bind properly to the receptors, and then you start having physiological abnormalities.
And this has been shown, for instance, with teen studies.
That analgesia doesn't seem to occur after someone's been exposed to an MRI.
Can you discuss at all the temporal lobe of the brain and its role in perhaps paranormal and or religious experiences?
Well, I think what I've seen in the literature is some work that's been done in a variety of universities and think tanks where they're looking at just this type of thing.
St.
Laurentian University is perhaps one of them.
And it seems as though they are able to induce near-death type of experiences or other types of experiences that might be consistent with entities or what have you, whether it's St.
Laurentian or elsewhere.
And it would seem that perhaps they may have turned on a trigger, a trigger effect.
They may have induced a trigger effect that might spark various mechanisms that can perceive this sort of thing.
Certainly the temporal lobe is associated with learning function
as well as it's part of the limbic system, and so that's associated with emotion.
And so when we start talking about manipulating that area of the brain,
it would be very different, for instance, than the frontal lobe
that would be more associated with higher order functioning, cognitive function, that sort of thing.
Okay, again, looking at at least what I think are the two major possibilities, one, that there's a physiological effect, and that's all it is, and the other, that it's very real, that the electromagnetic field is producing The ability to see what may normally be all around us.
Do you give equal credibility to both possibilities?
I would suppose so.
I think that that might be possible.
Well, I can't tell you how I'm feeling on tonight, and I know that you do it at risk of some ridicule from colleagues.
That's alright.
I think sometimes when you're a pioneer and you're taking steps into unknown regions, And that's an important point to end on.
Again, I don't want to in any way suggest that people should not get MRIs.
If you really need an MRI, the risk greatly outweighs, or the benefit greatly outweighs the risk.
Absolutely, and certainly if there's clear definitive medical evidence that someone is in need of surgical procedure than an MRI would very clearly provide the margins and the extent of tumor invasion.
It might save your life or it might even decide that you don't need surgery and keep you off the operating table when you would have gone on otherwise.
So MRI is a very very important thing but it's also a really really interesting thing the effects that it causes.
There are risks and I think that's the big point here is that as with any medical procedure there are risks with MRI.
It's not a safe procedure necessarily.
It has some potential problems that can result.
The genetic compromise, the chemical compromise, and then also cellular proliferation.
Not to mention the soul.
Yeah, right.
And that too.
Doctor, thank you for being here this night.
My privilege.
Thank you so much for inviting me.
Take care and good night.
Alright.
Well, she certainly went out on a limb for us, didn't she?
Said about as much as she could under the circumstances.
I've got a couple of faxes that I want to read from people who work around MRIs and have heard stories.
And then we're going to open the phone lines, and who knows what comes this night.
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Hi Art.
I've been a regular listener and a fan for more than 10 years.
When you mentioned the experience of the CT tech and the entities seen when the magnets are active, it really got my attention.
I've worked in the biomedical electronics field for more than 20 years and have heard little snippets of conversations concerning weird events that really frightened x-ray techs in CT and MRI rooms.
About a year ago, while working at a large university medical school in the radiology department, a good friend told me he'd blown my mind after work so we went to a cigar bar and after about three stiff drinks he told me the following story.
While working for a major CT MRI manufacturer as an equipment trainer in 1995, he was testing a newly installed CT unit when a phantom This device used to test penetration of imaging devices vanished from the room.
No one else was around the room, so he was really confused by the event.
So the next day, he bought a frozen whole chicken.
A trick he learned years earlier at the supermarket to use as a test object while tuning the new CT scanner.
He was working alone once again, but positioned so that he could watch the CT operate while he aligned and calibrated the scanner.
He powered up the scanner and set the power level on low, then mid-range, and then finally the highest level.
He said, the test subject, Frozen Chicken, slowly began to vanish over a five second period.
When he jokingly told some of his colleagues about it, they laughed at him.
All except one older radiologist who invited him into his office and asked to hear the entire story.
He said the radiologist told him that he really shouldn't repeat the story.
And that if he continued working in this field, he'd eventually see a lot stranger things than that.
In fact, a lot of people transfer to another specialty or department because they are scared of the things they experience when working around high Tesla magnetic fields.
I've known this guy for several years, and he's a serious, pragmatic type, and I believe this story to be true.
And then, just one more, let me throw this in.
My wife works as an insurance adjuster, and frequently socializes with some of her business contacts.
One night, a few months back, She was having drinks with a group of people.
Among this group was a radiologist who works for one of the largest hospitals here in Hawaii.
Usually stoic and serious, this person became uncharacteristically drunk.
Then out of the blue, this person proceeded to tell everyone about the white apparitions That he or she would often see during MRIs and CAT scans.
The radiologist spoke as if this were a confession.
When asked about it a few days later, it was denied.
It should also be noted, by the way, my wife is a huge skeptic.
Doesn't listen to your show.
I asked her tonight, what are the chances of getting in to see an MRI?
That's when she told me this story without any prior knowledge of what went on during your show last week.
Strange how the caller last week was also from Hawaii.
So you see why I'm now in search of any stories about this area or any of the others.
So we've got a full open line night ahead of us.
Let's see what we find.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Good evening.
Good evening, Art.
How you doing?
I'm fine.
Where are you?
I'm calling from Burbank.
And first of all, real quick, welcome back to the airwaves.
Oh, well, thank you.
I'm an RF technician.
I've worked in broadcast and in the amateur radio field.
And I've therefore been exposed to high levels of RF radiation, which is very much electromagnetic.
Oh, me too.
Big time.
And one of the things that You know, I had to learn before I got my licensing and everything was, you know, about the dangers to the eyes, especially the corneas, that high amounts of RF radiation.
Particularly at microwave frequencies, it can actually blind you.
Yes, because it causes heating.
Right.
And I just wanted to introduce, not that I'm a skeptic, you know, I very much believe in a lot of stuff out there, but that might be one of the possibilities, you know, people are seeing things because of You know, great amounts of pressure.
Actually, put more crudely, you're cooked.
Really, that's what it is.
You're being cooked.
It's just like a microwave oven, and you can look down a piece of... I worked with a high-powered microwave in the cable industry for a long time, and you can make a mistake and look down a piece of waveguide, which is really dumb, and you can go blind.
Oh, and I know people who've worked in the military that have dealt with megawatt radar installations that if they didn't duck every time the beam went by, they would basically die because of instant cooking, basically.
But the point I wanted to make was, you know, it's possible the physiological reactions could be because of that.
Well, it's possible, but being an RF guy, think about this.
The Philadelphia experiment that ostensibly made a ship disappear.
Now, what was involved there?
Gigantic Tesla electromagnetic fields and rotating RF fields.
So, hmm.
I don't know.
I would say either one are possible.
Plus, there's a lot of anti-gravity experiments going on that I've seen on TV, so imagine what's not being reported.
Basically, you know, zero-g is being simulated by a high electromagnetic field.
Yes, indeed.
Imagine what's not being reported.
I really appreciate your call.
Thank you, Art.
Thank you.
I can tell you what's not being reported.
One of the things, anyway.
Because I had it come straight over my head.
It definitely was defying gravity.
Now, I wonder just what kind of field you've got to generate to take a craft at least 150 feet from one point of a triangle to another and have it defy gravity.
What kind of field do you generate to do that?
Well, I guess we all wish we knew that, huh?
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Aye.
Hello, is that me?
That's you!
Hey, it's Hollywood Bob.
I've talked to you a few times.
Anyway, welcome back.
Thank you.
Uh, listening, no doubt, on the mighty KFI in Los Angeles.
Yep, uh, for you, as it is, yeah.
Oh, that's a monster.
You can hear that thing just about anywhere.
It sounds great.
It's really great.
Anyway.
And you know what's a really weird thing?
I think I know your last caller.
I think his name is George.
I don't think he said his name.
He's a ham operator.
Did he say what his name was?
No.
Okay, I think it was George.
No, George.
I work on his repeater, and I'm Robert or Bob, basically.
It's an awfully small world, then.
It's very eerie, because he works in a radio studio, from what he told me.
Yeah, anyway, about electromagnetic fields and stuff, back to that.
You're familiar with the Jim Hitchenson website?
The anti-gravity using pulse microwave?
No.
Well, actually, they showed on television here.
I have a copy of the tape.
You should actually acquire one of these tapes.
Anti-gravity using pulse microwave.
Yeah, it's the same thing.
They're working on anti-gravity.
They use a magnetic field that circles itself and pulses it, and he actually points this microwave antenna at an object, and it will float in the air, and he has it on videotape.
That I've got to see.
Yeah.
Oh, no, no.
Wait a minute.
Now, wait a minute.
Was this done over in Scandinavia somewhere?
No, no.
I think it's done somewhere near Canada, I believe.
I may have seen the photographs you're talking about.
It appeared to be hovering.
It certainly was hovering in mid-air.
They had an object hovering in mid-air inside a chamber.
Is that the one?
Yeah.
Even ice cream melts upside down.
Did you see that?
Uh, ice cream melts... Why wouldn't ice cream melt upside down normally?
Well, the ice cream is melty.
It usually drips down when there's gravity.
When there isn't any gravity... Oh, you're saying it drips up?
Yeah, it's floating in the air.
I like to see someone try to do that, right?
We could all take a camera turned upside down and watch it the other way around and make it look like it's going the wrong direction, but making ice cream go all different directions, that's a little different.
Yeah, that's pretty weird.
I don't know how long a trip it is from that to a full-size craft.
Probably a little work to do yet.
Yeah, I'm sure those crafts, it's weird.
They work on electromagnetic and people see weird things around, you know, the UFOs or whatever.
Yeah, I think the best question is the one I asked a little while ago.
What has not been reported?
How far has the research gone that they haven't talked about yet in the press?
And the answer to that must be a long way.
Yeah, it's strange.
Those crafts emit light too as well.
The light is probably a byproduct of the craft because what they're doing is they're surrounding themselves with a light field and these vehicles Actually, I've been seeing penetrating solid matter.
I've talked to one of your CIA individuals that was on last time, and he got real scared when I brought that up, and he said, is that possible?
You said craft penetrating solid matter, like going into mountains, that sort of thing?
Right.
The craft that was trying to kick the one in Roswell, it was halfway embedded in some rocks in the ground.
And you remember the Sword Elk experiment, people were embedded in metal.
That's right.
That's exactly right.
Exactly.
So when you pulse microwave at a certain frequency and put an orbiting field around it, what happens is it separates matter and makes it so you can actually penetrate things.
That's right.
All right.
Thank you very much.
And sometimes that doesn't work out so well.
In the case of the Philadelphia experiment, you'll recall, human beings were actually embedded in the deck of the ship.
Horrible thing to contemplate.
Half of you in the metal and the other half of you up above the deck.
And, of course, nobody stayed alive very long.
But you can imagine how horrible that short life would have been.
Well, East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Art?
Yes.
Hi.
Hello.
Call me Sparrow.
Sparrow, huh?
Yeah, K-L-I-S-S, Dallas.
We're in Dallas.
All right, Sparrow.
Now, I have had eight MRIs.
You've had eight?
Yes.
I have multiple sclerosis.
I was diagnosed in 1983 and I have had MRIs regularly since they were developed.
The first time I had one I had the most weird experience.
I could not even get my balance when they were done with me.
I was underneath it for two hours because it did brain and spinal cord.
Right, and you can't move.
They don't let you move.
Well, yeah, I stayed there for a little bit and then my mother had to help me leave the
room and leave the hospital.
I could feel my body raising off the table.
It was the most incredible experience.
But since I've had so many, I've been able to do so much more.
I have also had many, many strange things happening, including seeing an angel.
I saw an entire herd of buffalo on a city street.
Wait, before we get to the buffalo, let's stick with the angel for a second.
How do you know what you saw was an angel?
Because it was a young woman I knew very well.
I know her mother and the rest of her family members fairly well.
And she died a very unfortunate death.
A very, very spiritual faced family.
Even so, I think technically you didn't see an angel.
An angel, by definition, was never human.
This did not appear human.
Oh, I know.
But I knew it was this young woman.
I see.
All right.
Have you seen, so in other words, you actually saw her in some sort of physical form?
Very, very flickering, briefly hovering and not in human form.
It's a very Different.
Did you tell the MRI technicians what you saw?
Well, no.
I have not told them anything.
What else have you seen?
Um... A herd of buffalo.
You said a herd of buffalo.
A herd of buffalo on a city street in Illinois where there have been no free roaming buffalo for a couple hundred years.
Um, but I could see the form.
Yeah, it was like the original.
No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait.
I need to know.
Did you see these, Buffalo, while you were in the MRI machine?
Or was this an aftereffect?
Aftereffect.
I've seen many things.
Aftereffects.
That would get your attention, a whole herd of buffalo down on Modern Street.
It was awesome, and I ran screaming to my boss.
You've got to come see this.
Of course, she couldn't see anything.
Wait till you see this!
What Illinois town was this?
In Bloomington, Illinois.
Bloomington, that's right.
Pretty modern town, right?
It's a pretty modern town.
Now, there are a couple of people there who are doing things with native people and who are now raising buffalo.
Yeah, but still not running.
Not herds of buffalo.
It's not a regular thing.
No.
And they were running.
And they were headed west.
And I said, well now what in the world?
And so you ran and got your friend and said, oh my God, check out the herd of buffalo.
And your friend said, Sparrow.
She could not see it.
I've got cars, you've got buffalo.
But you think it might have... But then there's other things.
I have, since I've had all of these MRIs, I have experienced a new connectedness Kind of a quantum physics that affects biological beings tenfold from what I had ever experienced before.
In other words, you're in the world of paranormal, period.
And you think you've got the MRIs to thank for it.
Maybe so.
Maybe so.
I don't really know.
I do know that after I started having them, my whole Focus on life and everything changed.
In Bloomington, when you saw the Buffalo, did you see the Bloomington buildings and the street?
I was in a neighborhood.
There were houses.
Yeah, I could see.
So you could see the houses.
Modern houses.
But it was like you could see Buffalo.
They were brown.
They had color.
Right.
And they were running.
I could see muscles.
And heads popping up and down, and it was very brief, but at the time, it seemed very real, and I started wondering if I was living in insanity, quite frankly.
I understand.
All right, well, listen, I've got to run, but I really, really appreciate your call.
Thank you.
Thank you.
That's a result of eight MRIs.
Now, I'm not sure if Bloomington was where the Buffalo Roam in the old days might have been.
The really old days.
And so, it might have been a hallucination, right?
Or it could have been... You've got to imagine the possibility that it could have been a bit of a time slip as well.
What's for the Rockies?
You're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
Hi, um, this is Wendy on Basham Island.
Where is that, Wendy?
Uh, in between Seattle and Tacoma and the Puget Sound.
Oh, you've got some really beautiful islands up there.
Yeah.
Anyway, I just wanted to suggest that the potential changes people might experience with the magnetic stimulation could be altered consciousness and that's a whole other debate.
But I also wanted to point out something that they're using repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation in the treatment of depression.
And I have some, I'm a graduate student and I'm studying this right now in the biology of the way the brain works.
So you mean they are using electromagnetic radiation to treat depression?
No, stimulation.
Stimulate, well okay.
Transcranial magnetic stimulation.
Stimulation, yes, but to treat depression.
Correct.
George and Wasserman, 96-98.
I have the references.
I'm actually studying this.
I've got all the references here.
This was actually a brief that was published.
A preliminary report, certainly.
It was blinded well.
They used sham simulations on patients that didn't get the treatment.
They used a blinded evaluator who didn't know who got the treatments that were real.
Right.
So it was a well done in terms of the study.
And it was done at UW, of course, where I'm going to school.
They actually publish the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, UW, School of Medicine.
Anyway, they basically talk about how it alters the brain.
And I think that it's just interesting because in the brain, the biology of the brain,
there's a lot of changes that take place.
You betcha.
Oh, I agree with you completely.
Thank you very much for the call.
in and out in the brain. You betcha. Neurotransmitters which are even you know basically how the
neurotransmitters function, how they replace and how nerves move through the system. I
suggest that this may have some altered consciousness in addition to that. Oh I agree with you completely.
Thank you very much for the call. Oh absolutely. We're human beings and the one thing we don't
understand, I mean we've been to and fro removed and implanted just about every organ in the
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Well, I just thought I'd call you and say welcome back.
Oh, well, thank you.
That's very kind of you.
You have some rather shocking news, don't you?
Well, We brought out on your program all of the DNA analysis of the blood and tissue samples that I had analyzed in regards to this alien creature that I found.
That's right.
And we reported that information and gave you that that would be, in fact, published.
A member of that team came forward and talked on your program.
Well, since that has happened, all of those people are now gone.
They're dead.
Dead?
They're as in dead.
And this is documented.
How many people are we talking about here?
We're talking about three team members that did the actual analysis.
And they're dead?
They are dead.
And this is documented and can be verified and looked at.
Well, we'll do that on a future show.
I'm going to have you on.
I just wanted to have you on and tell everybody.
That's horrible.
Not only that, but I have three other independent researchers who have met these people prior to them dying who are willing to talk to you and anyone else and give their testimonies as well.
My God!
I'm surprised, considering the fate of the first three, that anybody else would be willing to talk at all.
In fact, I'm surprised you're not somewhere off the coast of New Zealand right now on a private little island.
Well, in some respects I am.
But I will say, The truth has a way of surfacing, and I haven't gone away, and the people know that.
Well, look, if whoever it is who's following your story, and if they have killed three people, Doctor, then obviously your continued physical good health, I would say, is in serious jeopardy.
I have been threatened, shot, run off the road, chased through malls, beat up, and worse.
And that also needs to be discussed.
And this isn't something that just can be verified by my words.
There are many other people now involved in this investigation.
Did I give a tiny little good encapsulated version of your story?
Yes.
I think the encounter now equals about 20% of what has now since taken place.
In other words, it was weird and strange as it was.
It's only now a small part of the story.
Your life has been turned upside down.
Yes, I feel that I am in definitely harm's way every single moment.
Doctor, I have your phone number and I will, on a future show,
call you and arrange to have these people on while they're still drawing breaths.
And we'll try and get the story out.
How's that?
That's good.
We've made a great deal of effort to protect these people but also as far as videotaping their interviews and sending them all over the world also.
So this is not just a matter of taking these few people out.
There are now hundreds of people that have this information, and it is coming out.
There are extra people's websites.
There have been other books now written with this information in it, and there will be more and more coming out.
All right, Doctor.
Expect to hear from me shortly.
Okay, I will send you that information that you asked for, and then we will talk.
Yes, indeed.
And again, thank God you're back on the air.
All right, doctor.
Thank you very much.
Dr. Jonathan Reed, a very, very now famous story of an alien encounter of the fourth kind.
Even though it was not strictly an abduction, he got into a fight with an alien.
His dog died.
It's a long story, but it's an incredible story, and apparently a lot has occurred since, so we'll be in touch with Dr. Reed.
I thought you might want to hear that.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Hi.
Where are you, pray tell?
We're in Ohio.
Ohio.
Yes, sir.
Okay, as I said before, I work for a company, and what we do is we do induction melting.
And this is induction... Melting.
Melting.
All right.
All right.
And what we do is we have machines that create extremely high amounts of power in the range, like I said, of 2.4 to 2.5 megawatts of power at 180 cycles.
That's a lot of power.
Yes.
Like I said, at the Hamm operator, you can really grasp what that level actually is.
Yeah.
Okay, and a frequent problem that's been complained of for as long as we've ever had these systems has been frequent headaches of being around the area too long and even so long as if someone works too many hours of like a euphoric delusion and sometimes even really yes and even so far as a almost like a hallucinogenic effect and The machines regularly cycle on the off hours of production on weekends.
And a couple of the security personnel have made statements that they've seen... How should I put it?
An apparition?
An apparition.
Or a... Alright, let's get this again.
It's induction melting.
Yes, it's basically a... Describe the process.
In other words, you take metal and you put it into a... Would be similar to a tank oil.
Okay.
And as it induces a high magnetic field, it accelerates the particles in the metal, causing the friction and thus melting them.
And you do what reason?
We cast metal shapes and bars and different foundry operations.
Gotcha.
And it uses how much power again, please?
About 2.4 to 2.5 megawatts.
Megawatts?
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
At 180 cycles?
Yes.
That's very low.
Yeah, this falls into an area of the EOF.
Oh, it sure does.
2.4 megawatts, 180 cycles.
My God, what kind of radio interference does that create?
Significant.
I would imagine.
Significant, yes.
But that's a lot.
More of a blanketing effect more than an interference.
I guess you could call it an interference.
More of just a blocking than anything else.
So sometimes these things are on at night for some reason?
Yeah, they cycle.
And a cleaning cycle.
And we run 24-hour production.
Wow.
And so you've personally talked to some of the security guards?
Oh, sure.
Sure.
Do you know the nature of what they've seen?
I mean, how much did they open up?
To the point of saying they've seen what they think to be employees.
Employees?
Yes.
And former employees.
And, you know, take it with a grain of salt.
And, you know, it's mostly, you know, as normal on a lot of things, it was dismissed with, you know, well, you're just seeing things.
And I have noticed, because I'm a maintenance electrician, And one of the things I do is frequently service the cabinets and go in and I'm frequently in these fields and stuff and yes yes I tell you to get a grasp of it.
When we purchase wire we purchase like a 500 foot spool.
Right.
Something to do on the not-quite-so-busy time.
You can tie a 12-volt automotive wire or light bulb across the two ends of this.
Walk up on the field, up near the induction melting field.
And on in, and bawoosh!
There it is.
If you get too close, ha!
That's really high power.
What about you personally?
Since you've been toying around with this in the manner you just described, have you had any unusual effects yourself?
I have experienced the deck operator's headache many times.
I can't point directly to it, but if I frequently work too long in the magnetic field at high levels, I've experienced, not really, I guess, dramatic but more of unusual type dreams when I work at I
work through a shift. I'm off on my break right now. But uh and so this is after you've gone home I
assume you're not sleeping on shift right?
No no no no no no. Not sort of leaning up against the inductor and going. No no no no no this is
when I go home in the morning. Gotcha. I do the two the two part sleeping thing. Um do you guys
and gals I guess uh ever get together and discuss these you know these effects that you feel and
Do you bring it, by the way, to your boss ever?
I'll talk to my boss and he says, well, it's not out of the concept of reality.
I'm sure it could have some effect on your synapsis or mental function.
His suggestion was, just don't stay in it too long.
I said, yeah, that's pretty true.
So I was just curious if any of your callers or if any of your guests or anything had heard of anything or any kind of effects of this and just toss it out there.
Hey, listen, you're talking about exactly what we're discussing tonight.
Thank you very much.
OK.
Well, it was good talking to you, Art.
I am glad to have you back.
Oh, well, glad to be back.
All right.
2.4 megawatts or more at 180 cycles.
My God, that's a lot.
And, uh, there, there you are.
Strange things happen.
Now, is it affecting the brain?
Possibly.
Or is it creating an immediate field that's allowing these things to be seen?
Either one or both are possible, aren't they?
Uh, wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello, Art.
Hello.
Yes, this is Anne in Springfield, Missouri.
How are you doing, Anne?
Fine, thank you.
I listen to you on my CC radio at WAI in San Antonio, WLS in Chicago, and 1100 Akron, Ohio.
All right.
CC radio will do that with ease.
It's wonderful.
Yes.
I have a dimensional experience story for you.
Oh?
Back in 1992, I was living in the Colorado Rocky Mountains, and Uh, this was in November of 92.
Yes.
I lived on the side of the mountain, um, the Continental Divide, just below Timberline.
Right.
I was, it was about 1130 at night.
I had been in Breckenridge visiting some friends of mine.
Gee, just, excuse me, just below Timberline at about what altitude then?
About 11,000 feet.
11,000.
That's way up there.
Yeah.
Very thin air.
Yeah, indeed.
It was about 11.30 at night.
I'd been visiting some friends in Breckenridge and was on my way home in my four-wheel drive truck.
Right.
It was a very quiet evening.
No moonlight yet.
Nice, fresh snowfall.
You know how quiet it gets in the mountains or the desert after a rain or a snow.
I do, indeed.
And while heading up Hoosier Pass toward my home, I saw an object in the air.
Of course, at my angle, it was easy to see in the air because I was headed up the side of the mountain.
Uh huh.
And I figured that this object was probably an airplane because I saw red lights.
Right.
Now this may sound crazy.
My former husband was a pilot and we owned numerous aircraft.
So I was accustomed to seeing lots of different kinds of aircraft.
I figured it was some sort of an aircraft that had a sign behind it like Eat at Joe's or something that was illuminated or you know, Ski Breckenridge.
The only problem with that was there were no houses, no roads or anything from where I was at.
Way over to the other side of the Continental Divide, where Leadville is.
There's nothing.
So, there wouldn't be a lot of people seeing the advertising?
You got it, exactly.
Well, so I come back across the switchback, and I'm coming back around, and I figure, well, I see it again, and I figure it's got to be a helicopter, because it's basically in the very same position it was at before.
Come back around the switchback again, and it's still there.
So I stop my truck, I get out of my truck, put the emergency brake on, I'm standing there
looking at it and I go, my God, this is a UFO.
It looked like a saucer or a hat and it had these rotating red lights that went around
it.
Holy smokes.
Yeah.
So I thought, okay, you know, this, this is really cool.
I finally get to see my first UFO and I keep my eyes on it.
I literally would not take my eyes away from this, this craft.
I understand.
You, you, you get sort of transfixed.
Yeah, it's amazing.
It's so quiet, you know, and she's there and there's no vehicles or anyone else around.
I know.
You go into a kind of a shock actually.
Exactly.
So I'm standing there for about two minutes and suddenly it just disappears into thin
air and I'm in very thin air.
Not flying away, just disappearing?
No, it vanishes, okay?
It doesn't... And so I move my eyes down, I figure, well, it's gone real quickly behind a mountain, but there was nothing below where it had been, where my eyes were.
It was all still stars.
I don't think anybody's ever said this or not before.
I feel like these beings that had been watching me, they were watching me.
I know that.
And I feel like I was an ancient woman standing in front of an ancient fossil fuel truck.
In other words, I was a ghost.
What makes you think, well I guess the aspect of it that it simply disappeared rather than floating, flying away, doing whatever, it just disappeared.
You think it was dimensional, huh?
Yes, I feel like Eventually, it had slipped through like, you know, when you're walking in a castle and you suddenly see this ghost and it stops and it looks at you and you look at it and then it vanishes.
I was the ghost.
Why do you think they were interested in the fossil fuel girl?
I don't know.
That's a good question.
But there I was.
I got out of my truck.
Now, I wouldn't flash my lights.
I was afraid they'd, you know, want to pick me up or zap me up or something, beam me up.
So I didn't wave, or I just stood there quietly.
Good point.
I mean, others have, in a situation like yours, actually run out and run under the craft.
And what did he get for his effort?
Abducted.
So, you're right.
I went home that day, that evening, that night, after that.
I was very calm.
I thought, well, that was really cool.
I see my first UFO.
And then this bump appears on my arm, Art.
Oh?
Yeah, a little tiny bump, not very big.
They've never been there before.
I need to go to a scientist or a physician and have it removed to see if there's anything in there.
Right, right.
I know they wouldn't be interested in me because I'm not capable of reproducing, so I don't think they're interested in, you know, probing me or anything.
But I was too calm after the whole thing happened.
So in other words, obviously something more occurred to you.
Something you don't consciously recall.
I think so.
And so does my husband.
He's really into UFOs and he says definitely.
So did you ever go to the doctor for your bump?
Not yet.
I'm afraid to.
How long ago did this occur?
1992 in November.
And you've still got the bump?
Still got the bump.
And it's on your arm?
It's on my arm.
And it came immediately after this experience?
Immediately.
Like, the next day, you know, I'm up, I take bath all tomorrow and I go, what is this?
Where did this come from?
Any other effects since then that you might ascribe to the bump?
No.
No.
Are you your same old self?
Yes.
But like Jim Morrison said, this is the strangest life I've ever seen.
I'd ever known.
Yes, indeed.
But I do enjoy your show, and I just had to tell you about this because I was the ghost.
I understand.
You were looking through time, through the curtains of time, and I was the ghost.
I understand.
To them, you may have looked just the way They look to you.
I mean, the same sort of dimensional shifting, not quite full reality type thing.
Exactly.
Maybe they were touring the earth in another time period and slipped through that curtain of time and are looking back like you're in a castle and there's this being standing there and there I was and I was the ghost.
Well, if the bump suddenly begins to ripple and something with large teeth bites its way out of you, I need to call right away.
I'll do that.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Take care.
Just a little bump.
Would you go to the doctor?
I don't know.
That's a pretty strange story.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Uh, hi, Art.
Hello.
Um, uh, I'm calling, uh, I have an uncle in my family that, uh, worked down in Broom Lake in the early 50s.
Broom Lake?
Area 51?
Uh, yes, was probably down in Area 51 now.
Yes.
He was a centrifuge operator.
That's huge.
Yeah, basically what he did was spin pilots around.
I guess at G-rate, that's what he told me.
He spun what?
Yeah, they would sat inside of a compartment.
I'm sure if you've seen it before, you know what I'm talking about.
They sat inside of a compartment.
Oh, in order to give a G-test, you mean?
Yeah.
Yes, uh-huh.
They would black out and all that stuff.
He said they always blacked out and bombed it sometimes.
But, uh, anyway, he said that, uh, during the time when he was working there, that, uh, the area still was, uh, under, uh, quite a bit of construction.
Listen, I'm gonna have to ask you to hold on through the break.
Can you do that?
Yeah.
Alright, hold on.
Uh, one of those machines where you sit there and, you know, you go around real fast and your lips begin to get plastered backwards and your eyes and your whole face begins to get pushed back and then you pass out and vomit.
Otherwise, you have a great time.
have a great time.
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Back into the night with all of you.
And again, we're depending on your calls this night on exactly the kind of thing that we've been talking about all night long.
All of these areas.
And back now to the Area 51 story.
You're back on the air again.
Thanks for holding on.
Yes, William.
I get into a little bit of a story.
During the time that he worked, he worked there for about 15 years, and he was a symmetry job writer, one of them, at the Senior Master Sergeant Air Force.
And he would send me some time-to-time pictures and stuff.
Uh, that he had taken and, uh, nothing really, uh, out of this world type of thing, but, uh, different saucers to each craft they were working on.
That's pretty out of this world.
He sent you pictures of saucers, uh, shape stuff they were working on at Area 51?
Yeah.
And what have you done with these pictures?
Well, I still have them, but they've, I've seen them before on television.
Basically, where it was, it was a, uh, round saucer shape cab at United States Air Force.
Well, I haven't seen these on television.
Where do you see them on TV?
Really?
Yes, I know, but not with the kind of story to go with it that you have.
I mean, this was a relative of yours, sending these photographs out of... How did he even take them?
You're not supposed to exactly have a camera in there.
What he told me was back in the time when he was there, it was somewhat a little bit lax.
That kind of a thing from time to time.
But anyway, getting on to his story, he said that there was quite a myriad of things that were going on.
There was a lot of construction going on.
during that time that they were, that some fellow that he heard, they were used, they
were working on some type of high magnetic field type of technology and stuff.
Wouldn't surprise me.
And that it was, they had quite a large importation of liquid nitrogen.
Liquid nitrogen, keeping stuff cool.
Yeah, extremely cold, I guess.
But anyway, he had said that he worked through there in time during the development of SR-71
and it was flowing out of there.
And he said then, the pilot working on SR-71, that they were also working on Metacraft.
That was a strange configuration.
Configuration basically is a wing-type, triangle-type aircraft.
Triangle.
There we go again.
As people see.
And, um...
Alright, well listen, sir, I'm gonna have to scoot, but would you do me a big favor?
Yeah.
You dig up those pictures, get some copies made, and get them to me.
Oh, I'll do it right after that.
And do it with the story, too, about how you got them, alright?
Okay.
Alright, thank you.
Sometimes you see photographs like that, whether you've seen them somewhere or not on TV, are extremely important when you have the chain of custody to go with it.
Like, this man's relative really, really sent these from Area 51, and that's a really important story.
Here's something for your consideration.
Hi Art.
With your many emails, you may not get to this.
I'll surprise surprise.
I'm not one for crawling into radio shows, so instead I'm going to write as accurately as possible my account of this chilling tale.
My story was told to me by a dear friend about ten years ago.
The memory may be a bit fuzzy on the exact details, to this day it still sends a rush of chills up my spine.
Because it was told third-hand and in confidence, I'm protecting the identity of the woman this experience happened to, where she worked, and the identity of my friend.
In our community, we have a popular sports bar that is a very nice dining area for great food.
Many people go there just on the lunch hour to eat, visit with friends, and watch sporting events.
My friend, Sharon, not her real name, was an office manager in a clinic Told this story by her co-worker who came to her completely distraught after hearing it from yet another worker.
Evelyn, not her real name, was a sensitive, very shy, religious type person.
A kind woman.
Gentle.
She decided one day to take a quick lunch at the sports bar which was located close to the office.
They served a wonderful lunch and had a long counter with bar stools which made it easy to eat return back to work.
On this particular day, Evelyn sat at the lunch counter.
As she was eating her lunch and sipping on coffee, she struck up a pleasant conversation with who she thought was just a nice gentleman sitting to her right.
They exchanged pleasantries and chit-chat.
As she finished the last sip of coffee, he said something that sent a shockwave through her entire system.
He began telling her aspects and personal information about her life that no one knew.
He told her exactly where she lived, and that he'd been watching her, and knew everything about her whole life.
Well, she rapidly began to gather her belongings, pay the bill, and split, fast as she could.
And as she whirled off the bar stool, terrified, she looked into his eyes, and his eyes... had disappeared.
We're replacing them empty pools of light.
He said we're everywhere and we're not going away.
We know about all of you.
This was not some enlightened being bringing her love.
She described it rather as a menacing force.
Signed, Robin.
Thank you.
Now that would do you in, wouldn't it?
Can you imagine sitting there?
Can you imagine sitting there?
Having somebody tell you about your whole life, and then that they're everywhere, whoever in the hell they are, and then having the eyes disappear, completely disappear, into simple, empty pools of light?
What did she encounter?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello there.
How are you doing tonight?
I'm doing all right, sir.
Where are you?
I'm in Grants Pass, Oregon.
Grants Pass.
All right.
Absolutely.
I actually work with some old friends of yours.
Well, I'll bet you have.
As you know, we're on the new FM station there.
Yes.
Actually, I listen to you over the Internet.
Oh, really?
Okay.
Well, I have been working several years on a business plan for doing a theme restaurant.
Based on extraterrestrial existence.
One of my goals was to create a full-scale replica of a UFO and to make it levitate.
To make it levitate?
You mean this was going to be in the restaurant or this was going to be the restaurant?
It was going to be in the restaurant.
In the restaurant.
It was going to seat about 150 people.
It was going to have a virtual abduction ride.
Huh.
And it would be enclosed in a 10-story building.
Alien burgers, I'm sure, and so on.
Yeah.
So I contacted a physicist at the National Magnetic Laboratory Research Institute, and he and I worked up a plan to make this happen.
You mean, you call this guy and you say, look, I'm having this alien-themed restaurant and I need something to levitate, Doctor.
Absolutely.
And he went along with that.
I emailed him.
And, uh, gave him the gist of the plan, and he said that it was possible.
And, uh... But, well, I mean, they're working real hard on anti-gravity and levitation, uh, all over the world right now, and he's gonna do it for your hamburger joint?
Well, you know, the Levitron is out there.
Yes.
And it's a similar principle.
Yes, I certainly know about the Levitron.
Absolutely.
You know, you just simply, with electromagnet, levitate this building that's built out of composite materials so it's extra light.
And on three posts, you have extra magnets that basically hold it aligned.
So it kind of constantly spins that would keep it centered.
I understand.
All right.
And, uh, it was pretty interesting.
So what came of it?
What came of it?
Oh, I'm still working on it.
I'm still plugging away.
You don't have it yet, I take it?
Don't have it yet.
So this was basically a big plug for your E.T.
restaurant?
Absolutely.
Right off my phone lines.
Alien burgers.
Does that sound good to you?
If you saw something on a menu and it was called an alien burger, would you be likely to order it?
Probably not.
Along with fries.
Crispy.
Skin scrapings.
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Hi, my name is Matt and I'm calling from Columbia, Missouri.
Okay, Matt.
I've been listening to your show for about a month now and I swear it's the best thing I've ever heard.
It is different.
Yeah, I didn't know this kind of thing was out here.
I thought I was 21.
Oh no, there are many of us.
I'm realizing that.
Well, anyway, about the MRI thing where people kind of get off the subject and everything.
I was going to talk about my mother.
I'm on a cell phone, so it's kind of hard to talk back and forth through here.
But my mother, when she was having my little brother at one of the Columbia hospitals, I won't say the name or anything, there was a woman beside her Uh that was getting ready to have a have a baby also and in the middle of the night uh you know maybe this could have some kind of radiation or something but my mom also did have like a um well she did die for a few minutes and came back she saw a tunnel and light and everything else she didn't like to talk about it that much but anyway when she was in the hospital I had my little brother she uh she heard the voice of a little girl
And she didn't think anything of it.
She heard it was like, Mommy!
And she was like, well, maybe I'm just hearing things, you know?
Yeah.
So, a little bit, you know, they slept through the night, her and her roommate.
Next day, my mom said something to the woman next to her.
She said, I swore I heard your little girl.
The little girl had come in the day before.
I don't know.
I could have sworn I heard your daughter say mommy and the woman next to her said yes I
heard that also.
Oh?
Yeah and that was kind of weird but there's more to this also is that well whenever excuse
I was just going to say spit it out, but we're on the cell phone so it's hard to get that in.
Go ahead.
Right.
Okay.
I was going to say that also when my mother was getting ready to go and she was going
to have a C-section, her grandfather was a doctor and his father was a doctor and she
saw them both over her talking about what the procedures were and what was going to
happen and things like that.
I thought it was really interesting.
I also want to tell you, Art, that I've seen lots of things in my lifetime.
I'm 24 years old.
I'm kind of an amateur at this kind of thing, but our house that we have, we've seen light
and the stringy streaks of light up on corners of walls, balls of light, stuff like that.
And I think it kind of seems to center around my mother.
And maybe she has some kind of link with the afterworld.
I don't know.
What do you think about that?
Maybe she does.
I appreciate the call.
Well, I've talked to so many people who have done work with people who consistently have paranormal occurrences around them.
They see entities and ghosts and so forth.
And there is, or does seem to be, a clear association with certain people.
So one could, I suppose, speculate that whatever it is, is being created by these people, or that it is created about them because of something special about that person.
So it may not be entirely external, it may be a function of our living brains.
East of the Rockies or on the air?
Hi.
Hello, Mr. Bell.
How are you?
I'm fine.
Now, where are you?
Uh, Tampa, Florida, sir.
Tampa.
Of all places, Super Bowl 35.
And you're on a cell phone, too, aren't you?
Oh, yes, sir.
Actually, I'm at work.
I do a lot of highway work out, and we're out.
It's a pretty starry night tonight.
Nice and clear.
Yes, sir.
Listen to your radio.
You're a fantastic show.
I mean, just It's a little different.
Yes, sir.
I try to break away from work as soon as I can.
If I could just get 15 or 20 minutes there, you know.
All right.
Well, here you are.
What's up?
I had an interesting... I guess you would call it a loss of time.
Oh?
I was about 11 or 12 years old.
As far as I can recollect, the memory was me and a friend of mine, David Schultz, We used to go fishing at the Des Plaines River quite often.
Yeah.
And we were coming in one night and we didn't see anything.
Didn't really hear anything.
But we were just overwhelmed by fear and anxiety.
And I remember myself, I would just... Just a raw fear and anxiety or something like, you know, you know you're being watched or there's something stalking you.
It was almost a paralyzing fear.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
And I was just so compelled to just run and flee.
Right.
And we ran, we probably ran ten blocks, maybe more to his house.
We ran into his house, jumped in behind his couch.
He locked the door behind us.
Uh-huh.
We're sitting, I mean, just huddled in fear.
Looking at each other.
Not quite sure what's happening.
Uh-huh.
And, uh, all kind of lights and, uh, just emanating in from two or three windows around, surrounding his house.
While you're huddled behind his couch.
While we're huddled behind the couch.
Mm-mm.
The door starts shaking.
Lights go flashing on and off in his house.
Mm-mm.
And then, the next thing I know, we wake up, It's probably 2 or 3 in the morning.
And we're just laying there behind the couch.
And so how much time has passed?
Probably 4 or 5 hours.
4 or 5 hours?
4 or 5 hours.
And you suddenly wake up from this stark, crippling fear and things flashing and going on and off all around you and outside the house.
And 4 or 5 hours have gone and you wake up?
Yeah.
Good Lord, man.
They've had their way with you.
You know, I can't attest that I've never had any physical phenomenon since then.
I mean, I don't have any bumps, or I heard one lady allude to a bump she had.
Yeah, she talked about a bump, but in your case, you were gone long enough, they had enough time to do absolutely seamless surgery.
And to this day, I've just had, this is really the first time I've talked about it to anybody.
And I mentioned it to my wife.
I tell my wife everything, of course.
Oh, and how did she react?
She has a lot of paranormal experience in her past, as far as like ghostly entities and stuff.
She's told me about a few things, but she, you know, the closest me and her share, you know, she just really didn't know what to say.
I bet she looks at you in a whole new way.
You know, it's funny.
Since then, Like I said, I never saw anything that I recall.
Is the person who was with you at the time still alive?
David Shultz was his name.
We were childhood friends.
Is he still with us?
I haven't seen him in years.
Too bad.
It would be really nice to have him come forward and corroborate that story.
Well, I've thought about, since we live in the internet age and everything, Trying to get a hold of him one day, but... Well, maybe he'll hear this and he'll email me, but that's a hell of a story you've got there.
You felt absolutely nothing when you woke up?
No, just confusion.
And what did you and David talk about?
Did you say... You know what?
And that's what I think.
We didn't even want to talk about it.
We just kind of... We never really talked about it.
We just kind of... You know, I went home to my house.
He stayed at his house.
And it was probably two or three weeks went by before we got together again to do any kind of fish or anything.
And I can remember just uncomfortable silences with him.
And I think really neither one of us never really wanted to talk about it.
Didn't want to talk about those things.
All right, my friend, I've got to scoot.
I really appreciate your call.
Can you imagine that?
Huddled behind the couch.
Four or five hours pass.
You wake up.
Like I say, they've had their way with you.
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As you can guess, it could become a mindless task.
One night I came across this image in a series and it stopped me cold.
There were four pictures of the cathedral.
And in the third one, there was this image in the upper left-hand corner.
It was not in any other.
And this man has done a wonderful job.
And I think even the pixel people out there are going to agree that there is no way this could have been faked.
The original digital image was 25 megs and quite large.
I cropped out the object with the steeple in the frame for reference.
I then resized the original, which is included here.
It appears the image is moving from the right to the left side of the image.
Anyway, just thought you might want to see them.
Oh, yes, indeed.
So he includes the very sharp original image taken of a steeple, and there's what appears to be something, oh, I don't know, the size of a balloon, or the size of... Actually, I don't know.
By comparison, it's hard to say how far distant the object is.
But then he does a close crop, including the steeple in the photograph.
And obviously, it is a saucer-shaped UFO.
And obviously, it has not been tampered with.
I think it's an extremely clear shot of a UFO with a size reference in the photograph.
And so you can tell how far it has been zoomed.
So if you want to see a picture of a UFO that'll curl your hair, then you're going to want to go to my website right now.
Let's see how many of you can take it at one time.
Actually, the pipe now is so big that we think we can include all of you who want to have a fast look at this.
Now, the way you see it is to go to my website, which is www.artbell.com.
Click on the What's New on the left hand side.
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Click on that and take a look and feel free to email me and let me know what you think.
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Open lines in all kinds of categories.
For example, MRI effects.
Large electromagnetic fields.
Strange encounters of the time kind.
Close encounters of the fourth kind.
Abduction.
Already heard a pretty chilling one of those.
And dimensional effects on people.
People who have seen dimensional portals open, that sort of thing.
And of course, as always, Area 51 employees past, present, or maybe even the future.
Listen, I'm not kidding about this UFO photograph.
You're going to want to go to my website right away.
This is a brand new photograph, never seen before, to the best of my knowledge.
And a very good one.
If you think you can pick it apart, Why, you go right ahead, but I don't think you can.
I think this is a... Well, it's a very good one, and if you have a good one, I implore you to submit it to me, and we will add it to the ever-growing collection.
You can reach me by email.
You can send a photograph to artbell, that's me, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, at mindspring.com, artbell at mindspring.com.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
Hello.
Hello.
This is Tom from Connecticut.
Well, hello, Tom.
How's Connecticut?
Not too bad.
It's kind of wet right now.
We're wet here, too.
I spoke to you earlier.
My job is I move portable MRI units around in the New England area.
Oh, you do?
That's your job, to move them, huh?
Yes.
They're 30-ton units.
They put about 12 million watts of energy, and they're on all the time.
12 million gauses of energy?
Yes.
And, um, I move them all the time.
They're cooled down with liquid nitrogen, or, excuse me, helium, actually, to about two or three hundred degrees.
Oh.
And, um, to keep them cool, we also, they have internal environmental controls to keep the room cool, too.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, so, um, they're, they're big units, so out of, you know, on the technical part of it, uh, it weighs 60,000 pounds, and, and just to keep it cool, you gotta replenish this, uh, liquid helium.
So, to me, there's a, there's a technical aspect of using one of the, Using magnetic fields to go against gravity, you know what I'm saying?
You must get to talk to MRI technicians all the time.
Yes, I do, and since I've heard you the last couple nights, I'm going to interview some of the technicians and some of the engineers who work on it.
The engineer's working on one here in New York tomorrow, and find out if he's there alone at nighttime at 2 in the morning and see what he...
If he has any experiences to tell.
If I were you, you know, maybe about lunch time, I'd take one of these guys out and buy him a beer or two and see what you can get from him.
I mean, it's not something they're automatically going to offer up.
You're kind of going to have to pry it out of them.
Right, right.
But there is some therapeutic means.
I'm involved in mechanic field therapy.
How about if you were Dr. William Philpott?
Oh, listen, I'm very familiar with magnetic therapy.
Sure.
Of course, I would imagine it could work either way, really.
And you would have to know what you're doing to make it work the right way and do something good for you.
There are a lot of people who've sent me... I have a bad back.
They've sent me magnet little lash-ups to wear, and it helps.
Oh, definitely.
There's some therapeutic...
Uh, the positive side of the magnet is not harmful, but it encourages bacteria growth compared to the negative side.
It has three major aspects.
It gets rid of the pain, because pain is acidic, and the magnet brings alpha light to the area, because the Indians also call the magnet its medicine stone.
Mm-hmm.
It's been known for a long time.
It also makes you lose weight because if there's inflammation or water buildup, it'll get rid of it, is the second thing.
And the third thing, it brings oxygen.
Cell tissue or penance that normally doesn't get oxygen normalizes the cell.
Yes, I believe all of that is true.
So you can imagine what a size of the one you just described in this 60,000 pound unit would do.
You get these guys talking and you call me back, all right?
I'll sure do that.
All right.
Thank you very much, and take care.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi.
I have an interesting story.
I've been used... My name's Holly, and I'm over here by the volcano.
I called the other night and mentioned the rapture.
Holly, you're by the volcano in Hawaii, right?
Yeah, and I have that tone, and I think that's always going off because the volcano's always going off.
Uh-huh.
So the tone is nearly constant.
But I was... Yeah, it is.
But I was used as a prototype by...
Voluntarily used as a prototype because I thought it was like an ascension thing, you know?
No, no, I have no idea what you're talking about.
You were used as a prototype.
A prototype to become like a, um, like to stop eating and to go into another dimension.
Like to live off of air and to go... Hold it, hold it.
Back up, back up.
There was something you were going to tell me that you didn't want to talk about on the air, right?
Oh, that was you?
What do you mean that was me?
I'm the only one here.
Okay.
I'm the only one here.
Okay.
Okay, well when I was... I have been remembering things because sometimes you forget and everything, because when you bring it back to this world, we're in a different kind of time frame, you know, and like you see a UFO, sometimes you just forget about it.
But anyway, I didn't really see this, but I woke up one morning and I had bruises all over my face and And I asked my mother, and she said, oh, you fell out of your bed.
But it couldn't have been that.
And after that, I had bloody noses a lot.
And I was really afraid of needles.
Holly, what you told me was they, whoever they are.
Well, see, that was later that I thought it was they.
Put something up your nose.
I think it's possible.
What do you think went up the old nasal passage?
Like a chip or something because I had bloody nose almost all my life for no reason like not hitting it and it would just start bleeding and there was this little bump in there but I've been through so much with the other beings like I thought it was like the ascended beings and whatever and I was like fully buying it you know.
Have you checked with a physician?
I mean obviously if you have bloody noses all your life and you have all these things happening to you.
They said it was just this little blood vessel thing but I didn't really check anything but I have a lot of different stories that I'll probably call back for.
All right, Holly.
Thank you.
She was pretty hesitant to talk about that, but when she was first on the line, she said, something was put up my nose.
Now, she finally broke down and told us here, but she obviously didn't want to talk too much about it for whatever reason.
She said, oh, that's too gross.
First time calling on the line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello.
Hello.
Good to see you on the air again, Art.
Well, you can't actually see me unless you're looking at the webcam, but here I am.
Here are you.
This is my first time.
I'm a little bit nervous.
It's all right.
Where are you?
I am in eastern Utah.
Okay.
I'm a northern.
I'm more in the north.
You're near what?
Well, about five minutes away from the The UFO.
You call it the UFO ranch, right?
Yeah.
We just call it the ranch and I don't want you to really identify where you are because what happened is so many unusual paranormal things were occurring in this area and specifically around this ranch that Bob Bigelow purchased the entire ranch and sent a lot of investigators up there and some really weird stuff happened.
And that's the ranch this gentleman is talking about.
We don't really want to disclose the location of it, because we don't want a lot of tourists.
But you live near it.
What's happened to you?
Well, I think it was 1996.
My brother had just returned from college, and I'd gotten up at night to use the bathroom, and I wore contacts.
When I was walking back into my bedroom, some bright lights caught my attention outside
of my window.
So I observed them with my contacts out for a moment and could tell they were doing some
strange movements.
So I put my contacts in and observed them more.
I could tell they weren't stars, they weren't vehicles, as in cars.
They were orange on the outside and blood red in the middle.
You mean like glowing orbs?
Yeah.
They were far away.
They'd have to be at least a mile.
Orange on the outside and blood red on the inside.
Blood red in the center and diffused.
It just kind of got dimmer and as it did it got more orange than red.
And what were they doing?
They would dart up.
That's the kind of stuff they saw at the ranch.
I want to make this brief.
There's so many things that's happened.
I woke up my brother and he and I both witnessed what happened next.
For about a mile east of my house, it's nothing but Russian olive trees that grow.
And there's a tree line where a hill dips down into kind of a valley place.
And they would dip down below that tree line and come back up again and do some circles and things.
But there was just one in the beginning that my brother and I both witnessed.
Quite incredible.
He was skeptical until I saw this.
A very I don't want to call it dim, but maybe translucent.
I'm not sure how to describe it.
Orange glow.
It covered this tree.
It didn't really cover the front of it.
It was behind it and then above it, this glow.
It was the perfect half circle.
I think through the tree that I could see that it made a perfect circle, but I couldn't quite tell through the tree.
It still kind of grew out from the center, kind of small to big.
And then another one of the blood red spheres appeared, instantly appeared in the center of that orange glow.
As soon as it appeared, it kind of diffused in orange glow, disappeared, and then that
one, the newly appeared red orb, joined the other one.
It made an arch and joined the other one.
They kind of both danced up around each other.
You're watching this from inside the house?
Yeah, my window opened and it's green now, yeah.
Okay, so now there's a glowing arch.
Well, the red sphere did an arch, a movement in the form of an arch up towards the other
one.
They both kind of did some, they kind of like danced with each other, whatever it was like,
and then they dipped below the tree line and after that we didn't see them.
Since then, I've been watching a lot.
Yeah.
Nothing since?
Well, it would have been more actually.
Excuse me.
I've spoken to the kids myself.
They've interviewed me.
I've met Eric Davis.
I can't remember the gentleman's name.
I have his card in my wallet.
I still have a hard time believing today, but I can't deny it.
I know it happened.
I was watching one night and they were out again.
They were in different places all over the sky.
Yeah, this area is famous for the kind of activity you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah.
I have an entire other story.
I know you won't have time for it now, but my grandmother back in 1967.
I thought, I was watching the lights, I thought, why don't you come entertain the human?
Why don't you dive on my house or something?
Oh, you asked for that?
Yeah, and it was pretty interesting what happened.
I watched for about another ten minutes and they didn't do anything different.
You know, they were just doing their regular dancing and moving around.
Yes.
So I went to bed and laying there still thinking about it and then I just thought, well, you're just Didn't weigh into the UFO stuff too much.
Yes.
I decided I'm going to go to sleep.
And at that moment that I decided I was going to go to sleep, um, this very intense, seems very loud, it seemed very loud to me, a sound that penetrated my whole room.
Um, I thought it had to have been going through the whole house and waking up my parents.
The thing that... That it was just you?
They didn't wake up, but...
What I first thought it was, we have a neighbor that lives next to us that drives a diesel, and I thought, well he's coming down our lane with his engine brakes on, but then I thought, that's impossible, he wouldn't be using his engine brakes.
So in fact, what was it?
Well, it started at a very low pitch, went up to a high pitch, and then back down low again.
I felt it throughout every inch of my body.
Immediately I was overcome with very powerful sleepiness.
I lost all vision.
I lost any sense of orientation in three dimensions.
I couldn't tell if I was standing up, laying down.
I couldn't see.
I don't think I remember feeling anything either.
It seemed like a long time to me, but I'm sure it was just a matter of seconds.
My vision came back and I was still lying in bed.
It felt like going down in an elevator.
Any idea how much time had passed?
It couldn't have been more than 20 or 30 seconds.
I was very alarmed at that moment.
Time seems to last longer, but it couldn't have been more than 20 or 30 seconds.
The feeling of sleep I had was so intense it was like riding an elevator down.
I could feel myself quickly falling asleep and it was almost unresistable.
It wasn't until that point, probably just about sleep, that I kind of put two and two together.
I thought, you know what, I invited them and they're here.
Yeah, I was about to say, you ought to be real careful what you ask for,
especially when you live near the ranch.
The Ranch, yeah.
And so the NIDS investigators actually came and interviewed you, huh?
Yeah, yeah.
At that moment I got an adrenaline rush when I woke up, and I think I spent about five minutes grasping inside of my bed, thinking I did not fall asleep.
I got you.
Listen, we've got a break.
It's at the bottom of the hour, but we'll do this again.
You call me again, all right?
I will do.
Take care.
We'll be right back.
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Cheerio.
Hi, Art.
Hello there.
Can you hear me alright?
You said you couldn't hear me earlier.
Boy, you sound... Hold on.
Let's see if I can straighten this out.
Try it again.
Can you hear me now?
Is that better?
No, you are totally distorted and ripped up and torn apart.
Was that any better?
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I'm sorry, I had an earpiece and I was driving.
I have two things for you.
One, last year I was driving, I think it was last year, I just, when you were talking about losing time, I kind of uncovered this memory.
I drive a truck and I was driving back from Illinois, and I remember looking, I was kind of groggy, a little tired, I remember looking out the window and something catching my eye.
You mean a big 18-wheeler?
Right, I drive a tanker.
Oh, a tanker!
Right.
Oh, we really love to hear about groggy tanker drivers.
Okay.
Well, I wasn't sleepy.
I was just a little groggy.
Kind of daydreaming.
Anyway, I come back from Illinois going towards Indianapolis.
I'm calling from Indianapolis.
Right.
And something caught my eye.
The next thing I know, I'm standing, or not standing, I'm beside the road at an off-ramp.
And I'm sitting back in my seat.
Uh-oh, you're breaking up again.
Oh, no.
They know you're telling the story and they're breaking you up.
Is that better?
That's better.
Okay.
Don't move.
Just stay right where you are.
I had to move the last time.
Anyways, um, I'm driving and I see something out of the corner of my eye and next thing I know I'm on an off-ramp and I'm sitting in my sleeper.
I feel like I just woke up and three hours had just elapsed.
Oh lordy.
Where that came from, I have no idea.
Another thing, I saw an entity last year, a rather frightening entity.
It entered my house and walked down my hallway and walked between my children's room and I went to go after it.
My wife told me not to.
She must have seen it too.
She did see it.
The thing is, the first time I'd ever seen it, it scared me to death.
And I asked her afterwards what it was I saw and she described to me exactly what I saw and she didn't see it.
Well, ask me how happy I am about hearing you just driving this big tanker and then suddenly ending up in a rest area waking up, I suppose, huh?
No, I wasn't waking up.
That's the thing.
It just... There's a difference.
I know when I get tired and when I pull over, and that's not what happened.
I just... I lost three hours.
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Oh, God.
A tanker truck, yes.
Hmm.
That would be a very serious loss of time.
I bet he didn't tell his boss about that one.
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Hi.
Hey, good morning and good night.
It's still night here in Honolulu, Hawaii.
This is Chris.
I'm listening at you from KHBH.
and close proximity to 1945 degrees, the planetary hotspot.
Yes sir, indeed it is, and I understand the volcano is really getting active over there.
Well, I'm telling you, the Earth is getting active.
I've sat here in my studio numerous times lately, and I could feel shaking.
Like, not a major earthquake, but, you know, a minor bit of shaking.
Tell me about it.
You know, when you get a moment, an opportunity, look at the California-Nevada earthquake map.
I'm here in, you know, not too far from Las Vegas, near the California border, and it's circling me like the wagon's circling, you know?
It's scaring me.
Well Art, I tried like heck to call you during your prediction night and I couldn't get through.
The lines are jammed.
But my prediction is that this is going to be the year of the big one in California.
It has to do with the alignment of the planets and astrology.
It has to do with...
If you remember Mount St. Helens...
Helens went off in 1980, and then there was the Big El Nino, and then after that there was the Mount Etna and the Pinatubo and all those other things.
That was a seven-planet alignment.
In fact, in the 70s there was a book written called The Jupiter Effect.
And the guys were scoffed at by the so-called scientific community because they were basing it on astrology.
Okay, well you're kind of drifting away from the topic we're on tonight.
Okay, the topic, yeah, I'm just saying that based on that, we're in a nine-planet alignment now and it's probably going to be, this year would be the year that California is going to be shaken up quite a bit.
The reason I called, though, is not about that.
You're right, we've kind of drifted off and you mentioned earthquakes and shaking and all that in the volcano.
I've been MRI'd ten years ago.
You mentioned having been MRI'd yourself.
Yes.
I went into this thing and it's extremely claustrophobic, as you know.
Oh, it's terrible, yes.
You're in a tube.
I had to go into the best meditative state I could muster because I do have a mild case of claustrophobia.
And I mean this thing was oh god it was so scary being inside this thing and I could feel this energy.
That's right.
Okay.
One of the side effects of this is now this is 10 years later.
I haven't noticed any strange bumps or growths or anything like that.
But I have noticed an enhanced ability, like, you know, when you pick up the phone before it rings and the person you're thinking about is on the other end of the line and that kind of thing going on.
Oh, yes.
Precognition.
But how can you attribute that to the MRI you have?
Did it begin immediately following that?
I'm saying since then, there's been, throughout my life, You know, at random you might have an occasion, you know, where something like that would happen and you say, well, that was just a coincidence or whatever.
Yes, yes.
But since the MRI scan ten years ago, this has been going on a lot more than just coincidence.
Well, that's not so unreasonable.
I mean, we know that an MRI has an incredible electromagnetic field.
And we know that changes in the brain are possible, and we know you have abilities that you don't use, and parts of your brain you don't use, so it may have turned something on.
What about you?
Did anything like that happen to you?
No, my back still hurts, though.
Oh, I see.
My MRI, sir, thank you very much, was my back.
So I suppose they were not irradiating my head.
Now, I've had some pretty Abby Normal experiences with my back, but nothing paranormal.
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Hi.
Hi.
Hello.
My goodness, you get nervous, doesn't it?
Where in the world are you?
I'm in Lubbock, Texas.
Lubbock, Texas.
All right.
Yes, and I can hear you in Amarillo and Abilene and all over the place.
All right.
Mm-hmm.
Now, I want to tell you, too, a really little funny one, and then, you know, the MRI thing.
Oh, you have an MRI?
Yeah, but I want to do the funny one first because maybe it'll make me not be so nervous.
Okay.
Oh gosh, I had the pleasure of being on another radio program with Whitley.
Oh yes.
And we were discussing all kinds of different kind of things like you do with Whitley, you know?
We started with alien abduction type stuff and then we went on to other things.
Ridley knows a lot about that.
Yeah, we were talking about implants and different things.
I'm blind so I asked him this question and I was really embarrassed because I thought he was going to put me away.
I have a bunny rabbit and he loves to play with certain things in his cage.
One night I took all the stuff out of his cage because I was going to clean his cage and he likes to play while I'm cleaning the cage and it's just easier if you don't play.
So I took everything out and I wasn't quite ready to clean the cage but he started playing away with something in there.
What could he be playing with?
I took everything out.
I real carefully, so I won't disturb his activity, get closer and open the cage and stick my hand in there.
And a little furry, a little furry ball rolls over my hand.
What?
Just a little, well it's not so little, maybe the size of a, um, a nice sized lime.
Yo.
It just rolls over my hand because I just have my hand kind of open, like I always stick it in there kind of open in case he wants to sniff my fingers, you know, like... I mean, he hadn't multiplied or something, that wasn't... I thought, well, what?
And it did it again, and I tried to close my fingers around it to see what it was, but then it just... it was gone.
But I said that... A little furry... Yeah, okay, now... It's just... Okay, I'm going to tell you this.
Don't, don't, don't think I'm too strange.
But since your wife is a witch, you probably won't.
But if there's something in here with me, and I don't know what it is, I say, what are you?
Yes.
You were addressing the furry ball?
Well, I didn't really say it.
I just sort of thought it.
You know, I just thought, what are you?
No furry ball.
What are you?
Well, I'm a furry ball.
It answered it?
Yeah!
It just said, I'm a furry ball.
And I said, oh, OK.
So then I'm telling Whitley this.
And he said to me, that was a... Now, have you ever seen these?
Or your cats might play with them.
They're called fuzzy light balls.
No, but I can see as a cat would like a fuzzy lightbulb.
It's probably kind of like a tennis ball sort of thing, but it's a lightbulb.
You can actually touch them.
But, you know, people that see them probably don't reach out and grab them.
I didn't know it was a lightbulb.
I just let it roll over my hand and it felt... Did you ever touch a chinchilla?
Oh, no.
Oh, it's the softest thing in the world.
It was the softest little... I thought, well, no wonder he loves to play with those things so much.
So, whatever the hell it was, it disappeared.
It just, as soon as I... You know how, when you take a bite of cotton candy, how it just... Yes.
Well, it was like that.
As soon as I moved my fingers to get a... to sort of...
Now, you're sure this was not your average dust bunny?
No, no, no!
No, no.
It's happened more than once.
This was an intelligent bunny.
This was a thing that was playing with my bunny.
I gotcha.
And I'm just as serious as I can be.
I know you are.
I am, and when I told that to Whitley, I just thought, okay, because we were just talking about the strangest things, you know, that we... And I don't really... Well, that qualifies.
Well, ghosts, you know, I might hear them, but I don't see them, but...
Alright, now, you said something about MRI.
Let's get to that.
Yeah, well this... I love MRIs for some reason.
You love MRIs?
I just... I'm not sure what it is about that sound.
So you're one of those people, like, when you have some spare time, it's like, hey, man, let's get an MRI, you know?
Last year I tried.
After I heard that doctor talk about what it might do to your DNA and all that, I... Oh, the doctor this morning, yes.
Yeah.
Well, I haven't... I've had about, I'd say, three or four.
But the last one... Some of them probably totally unjustified, huh?
Well... You talked the doctor into it.
No, no.
Actually, I never... I never admitted... Get me into that long tube.
I love it if you love it.
I never... I never admitted until the last one.
Well, they were always so short before.
The last one I had was, they said it was going to be an hour.
An hour?
Yeah.
Oh, good!
An hour!
An hour inside the beloved mission.
Oh, I can't wait.
You are weird.
I know.
But see, it makes me sort of, well, they slide me in the case.
I know how it works.
It reminded me of a coffin.
It is like a coffin, yeah.
It starts up and I'm thinking to myself, oh, this is going to be so good.
A whole hour of this.
All right.
So maybe a minute goes by, maybe a minute and a half.
Yeah.
And they're rolling me out.
I'm thinking, well, hey, what happened to my hour?
Where was my pleasure?
Ripped off.
And I'm thinking, you know, if you have surgery, you know, you just you don't know where that time went.
Uh-huh.
Well, I'm saying, why did you turn it off?
You know how much I wanted to be in there.
Why did you do that to me?
Are you just playing a trick on me or what?
And they said, what are you talking about?
It's over.
It's over.
It's been an hour.
No, what are you talking about?
It's over.
I said, the hour is up.
No, it was just a minute.
No, you fell asleep.
And I said, I did not fall asleep.
I did not fall asleep.
And they say, Yes, we tried to talk to you, and you just were absolutely unresponsive, except that... So, in other words, there you were for just a couple of minutes, waiting for the usual warm, loving effect.
Oh, yeah, the wonderful... whatever that is that I love so much.
Uh-huh.
I'm not sure I really want to know, but whatever it is you... No, it seems like it balances something in my brain.
I'm sorry, but it just... it just feels...
The sound is what I like.
The sound.
I know it's a horrible sound, but I like it.
It's good.
And you're all closed up in there, so you get all of it.
You're not at all claustrophobic.
Not in there.
It sounds like you're really in love with the MRI.
Well, I don't know if I want to do it again, because I don't know where I went.
Well, you have a good point there.
I mean, I absolutely went somewhere, but a whole hour?
I mean, it's not as bad as three or four hours, and I wasn't driving a tanker, thank God.
Thank God I wasn't driving one.
But I just sort of thought, okay, I wish I could remember where I went.
You must really like enclosed spaces.
Well, some.
Yeah.
I was thinking if you could build your own coffin and get used to it.
Not that I want to be buried, because I don't, but... Well, you could, you know...
People, they don't think about these things, but yeah, you could go out and buy a coffin.
And just sort of... And try to get used to it.
Sleep in it.
Oh, that's right.
You know.
Spend a little recreational time in your coffin.
Put the door down.
Every day.
You know, when you have the urge.
Every now and then.
Yeah, but see, I want that sound in there.
You want a sound?
I want the MRI sound.
Coffins are generally quiet.
Well, but that doesn't go together, so I decided to be cremated instead.
Because it's too quiet.
Well, there's a kind of sound with cremation, too.
You mean like the sizzle?
Like, like, like, listen.
I don't know if I like that sound.
Well, you'll find out.
I guess it'll last.
You know how they cook you for several hours?
I might get used to it and like it better than I think, but... I can't imagine they cook you for several hours.
Oh, they do, because... No, I've taken the tour of the... I've taken the tour of the mortuary place.
Listen, hon, I gotta run.
This wonderful time we've spent together is up.
It is ours.
We'll just call you his latest claim.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
I couldn't resist.
And I heard him say that he had the longest hair, the prettiest green eyes anywhere.
And to read the name of his latest flame, I'd have to be a fool.
He told me all truth and I heard him say that he had the longest hair, the prettiest green eyes anywhere.
And to read the name of his latest flame.
So I smiled and tears inside were burning.
I wished him long that he said goodbye.
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From ABC News, I'm Clarissa Douglas.
A TV station in Honolulu reports that 16 civilians aboard the USS Greenville last Friday, when the submarine surfaced under a Japanese fishing boat, were all major donors to a fund to restore the USS Missouri.
The Navy confirms the tour was organized by retired Admiral Richard Mackey, a former commander of U.S.
Pacific Forces.
He was forced into retirement in 1996 After he made an insensitive comment about the rape of an Okinawan girl by American servicemen.
The Coast Guard is suspending the search for the nine Japanese missing and presumed dead in the collision.
This was the most thorough search effort we have ever conducted.
Coast Guard Rear Admiral Joseph McCarland in Honolulu.
The U.S.
Attorney's Office in New York that issued tax evasion indictments against Mark Rich about 20 years ago will now conduct that preliminary criminal investigation of his presidential party.
Federal prosecutors want to know if the pardon was influenced by donations to the Democratic Party.
Former President Clinton denies it was.
Today is the deadline for death row inmate Timothy McVeigh to file a request for presidential clemency.
While the paperwork has been completed, Tim McVeigh's lawyer will not say if his client has given the go-ahead to seek presidential clemency.
The convicted Oklahoma City bomber has until the end of today to file for executive clemency.
If he does, the decision will be up to President Bush.
If McNay chooses not to seek clemency, there is no way he can stop his May execution.
Power plants will be allowed to operate for longer hours or at higher emission levels this summer in California.
Gil Alexander with Southern California Edison.
We've assumed that there would be enough electricity for whatever we wanted to do, whenever we wanted to do it, at a price we could afford.
Those assumptions are changing dramatically, at least here in California.
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