Gary Schwartz, Ph.D., explores "afterlife consciousness" through experiments detecting high-frequency energy spikes (90,000–100,000 Hz) from deceased individuals, like Linda Russick’s father Henry, using a Spectrum Analyzer. Medium Lori Campbell matched 100% of sealed images from four departed souls—including Schwartz’s father Howard—while control guesses averaged just 20%. Callers like Joy and John corroborate spontaneous after-death communications (ADCs), suggesting persistent consciousness beyond physical life. Schwartz speculates on reincarnation, UFOs as re-physicalized extraterrestrials, and even animals retaining past-life memories, proposing a universe where energy, information, and awareness endure eternally. [Automatically generated summary]
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That is pretty cool work, if I do say so myself.
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It's not mine, it's Keith's.
Really cool stuff.
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It wasn't really a secret, but somehow it got out.
Somebody sent me an email saying, someone told me Dan Aykroyd was going to be on the show.
Is this true?
He's not on the limited list on the website.
Yes, it's true.
Dan Aykroyd is going to be on.
Dan Aykroyd had a very serious UFO sighting.
A very, very serious UFO sighting.
And so we're scheduling Dan Aykroyd for sometime toward the end of the month.
So it's true.
I just don't know how it got out.
All right.
In a moment, we're going to do something a little different.
I ran into somebody today who sent me a fact that I thought was really cool, interesting.
It just said, time is not speeding up, creation is.
And he goes on to say, we now have scientific proof from every discipline imaginable that the Mayan calendar is the timing of the unfolding of all creation slash evolution for the last 16.4 billion years.
We now know the exact schedule, get this, the exact schedule of creation, including the future.
We now can prove, as if it was needed, that more and more is happening in every second.
It's the quickening with a sort of different angle here.
A very different angle.
Creation, my guest says, is speeding up.
My guest is going to be Ian XEL Lungold.
And I really want to know what he's talking about.
He's a layman.
He's, however, done some work, scientific work in this area with some credentialed scientists.
And so I'm very curious about what the man has to say.
In a moment, we will find out.
Here's somebody who wants to keep our current sounder.
You know, the trash cans falling down the stairs.
It's Lorise who says, and why did 10-year-old Scarlett push her grandparents' metal trash cans down the wooden stairs?
Because it sounds so cool, of course.
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The End Now we take you back to the night of February 8, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
It could be either one, really, or both, actually.
In other words, it could be what we call evolution.
It could have begun.
I suppose the whole thing could have started as the process of creation, and evolution is what we see unfolding scientifically.
Yes.
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As a matter of fact, the Mayan calendar has nine different levels described of consciousness or stages of evolution that are of various lengths of time.
And this is how we can prove that creation is actually accelerating is by measuring these levels.
And as it turns out, these cycles, each one of these nine cycles of creation or spans of consciousness, are subdivided into 13 equal sections.
And we can look at both the effect and also the Mayan legends or their tradition of what these individual sections have as a purpose.
And we find that actual events occurred that matched the purpose of these 13 sections throughout all of the eight levels that we've so far passed through.
And so then you, again, you took this calendar and somehow squared it with the Gregorian?
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As a matter of fact, before I came into this last bit of information, I received a formula, and I say received because it was an idea that came all at once.
An inspiration, I guess is another word to say, that provided a formula which converts the Gregorian calendar to the actual Mayan calendar.
And it was a very, very simple formula.
It's so simple that anybody over the age of eight can easily do it.
And what people have been looking for for 500 and some odd years, I came up with in about 30 seconds one afternoon.
All right, so once you've done that, what have you achieved for us that is meaningful for us?
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Well, what we can do, the whole output, the whole reason for paying attention to the Mayan calendar is because the Mayan calendar is measuring all of the natural cycles of all of creation.
And intuitively, inside, each of us knows that we need to get back to the natural rhythms of life.
That our artificial systems are, well, in many ways, destroying us or imperiling us.
And returning to a more natural way is something that's desired by almost everyone.
So if you're putting your attention on something which is measuring all those natural cycles, then your consciousness is naturally tuned or entrained to those natural rhythms.
And that's really the end goal of the whole Mayan calendar.
It was never to keep track of time.
It was always to be a measuring device or a tuning device for human consciousness or for consciousness of creation to know itself in its own path.
It was always to draw people's consciousness back to the natural rhythms.
Okay, but again, you now say you cannot project from that which has ended.
Or can you?
Because in here, in the past you sent, you're saying yes, you can.
Creation is speeding up, and that we can virtually tell what's going to happen in the future.
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Up till a certain point.
And then we're going to have conjecture after that.
Because once the Mayan calendar ends, pretty much its prediction ends.
But we can extrapolate what happens after that.
But I think that we should go over a little bit about this Mayan calendar to show people what kinds of things have happened, how we came to understand how we can predict anything.
The first section it goes through a period of enlightenment, and then it goes through a period of application or adjustment.
Then it goes through another period of enlightenment, then adjustment and enlightenment, and so on.
There are actually seven periods of light and six periods of dark in each one of these nine sections.
Each one of those periods has a specific purpose and a specific end or outcome.
The seventh light or the very end, the thirteenth section is the fruit, if you want to call it that way, the fruit of the plant or the end result of the plant, the expulsion of seeds for the procreation of another plant.
And what we have here is that the very first section, after quite a long time, after 16.4 billion years, it produced the cell, the human cell.
Or, excuse me, the first cell of life, 1.26 billion years ago, 1.25 billion years ago.
Then the next cycle, called the mammalian cycle, was 820 million years long, and its product, and the last part of it, was the first animal, some 850 million years ago.
Then we come into the familiar cycle.
Now the familiar cycle was a consciousness that was earned or evolved to by the first anthropoids and the monkeys.
We went from that into a two million yards long cycle called the tribal cycle.
And this is when the first humans appeared and formed tribes.
After that was the cultural cycle.
The cultural cycle has been running for 102,000 years.
And this was actually in the seventh day of that, we got to where we moved into the national cycle, which was when written language was invented, as well as the First Nation, Egypt, and things like bronze were invented right during that period of time.
That's a 5,125-year-long cycle.
The planetary cycle, which we have just moved out of, was 256 years long.
This was the period of industrialism, starting in 1775.
But what I want to point up here is that each one of these cycles contains the same amount of creation in 20 times less time.
The same amount of creation that took in 16.4 billion years when creation was moving very slow is going to happen now in these 12.8 years.
And the same amount of creation, the same amount of change in all of our lives, the same amount of technology increase, the same amount of understanding that we will increase in this last 12.8 years will happen in the last 260 days as well.
We're not bumping into the walls as bad as we used to be.
And what we have here is for the first time, we know the schedule, we know what's coming up, and we have an opportunity to actually grasp the wheel and drive ourselves through this.
It was an intent, a focused intent to dominate the world, which is not necessarily a good one, but it was definitely a focused intent.
The extinction of 90% of all life was not as focused of an intent.
It was a general intent.
So we can see that consciousness is becoming more and more conscious, more and more in control of its own destiny.
And that's where we're coming up on.
That's what's most important about getting this understanding and substantiating these facts for yourself.
Not just believing it, not just listening to a little blurb on the radio about it, but actually really getting in there and knowing these, recognizing this pattern.
Because with that recognition, we as a race will be able to take huge steps forward in our own consciousness.
All right, well, just take a little piece of what's going on right now.
I discuss it a lot.
The environment.
Yes.
Things are really rapidly, exponentially going downhill in so many ways with the environment at the moment.
I could talk about a dozen different areas of melting ice and mammals that are beginning to eat each other and things that are changing and the ozone holes and the greenhouse effect and the warming climate.
I could go on and on and on and on.
Where is this headed?
When we get to the fifth day, does it get better or does it exponentially keep getting worse or what?
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It really depends on where your attention is.
But in general, what we're looking at is more and more is happening in every given moment.
That means that more and more is possible in any given moment.
What has always been the case is where you put your attention and intention is what you end up with.
We see the miracles outside of ourselves easier than we see what's happening inside.
But the fact is, unless our consciousness was keeping pace with these developments, we would not even see them, let alone be able to apply the technology.
Does it worry you at all that the mind calendar ends?
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No, because actually what happens is eventually everything, there's so much is occurring in every moment that eventually everything happens at once, which is the case in the first place.
And the illusion of time and space is thereby dissolved.
Somebody just sent me a real quick message on the FastBlast that said, I saw an outside picture, which I sometimes, by the way, put up on the webcam during the day, and there was no pirate flag up.
And when you get 50-mile-an-hour winds, it'll take any flag and rip it to shreds.
And it's done that, too.
So when the winds increase exponentially around here, as in quickening weather, we take the flag down so it may fly another day.
Anyway, coming up in a moment is Dr. Schwartz, Dr. Gary E.R. Schwartz.
I'll tell you all about them in just a moment.
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It's obvious that the things that the Air Force has denied of the UFO phenomenon, there's a plan underfoot not to tell us anything.
Why do you think that is?
Look, they've been lying to us, not just on UFOs, they lie about everything.
All right, comes now Dr. Gary E.R. Schwartz, Ph.D. Actually, just before he gets here, we've got a new feature on the website, which I think is really cool.
Keith really did this one up just right.
And if you want to know where an affiliate is in your area, he's got a map of the U.S. with each state.
Click on your state.
It will then list all of the affiliates in your state by city and call letters and frequencies and what have you.
Really, really a cool piece of programming.
But somebody just pointed out to me that Akeith has not put on St. Thomas and the Virgin Islands.
I'll have to check that out.
He may have missed the Virgin Islands.
I guess he got wrong, though.
Gary E.R. Schwartz is a professor of psychology, medicine, neurology, psychiatry, and surgery at the University of Arizona, director of the UA Human Energy Systems Laboratory, and director of the Bioenergy Corps at the UA Pediatric Alternative Medicine Research Center.
He received his Ph.D. in clinical psychology from Harvard University in 1971, was an assistant professor at Harvard for five years.
He was a professor of psychology and psychiatry at Yale University, director of the Yale Psychophysiology Center, and co-director of the Yale Behavioral Medicine Clinic.
Before moving to Arizona back in 1988, he has purchased more than, published more than 300 scientific papers, including six papers in the journal Science, very prestigious, co-edited 11 academic books, and written The Living Energy Universe, and a lot more.
But the Living Energy Universe is an interesting concept.
Hello, from the subatomic to the cosmic, from cells and ideas to souls and God, all dynamic systems have memory.
Using the tools of science, University of Arizona scientists Gary Schwartz and Linda Russick demonstrate that everything in the universe is alive, eternal, and evolving.
That would include us, right?
Their new model of life, the Universal living memory theory is reconfiguring the scientific landscape.
Schwartz and Russik usher the reader through new doorways to profound discoveries.
Here is stunning but sober emerging evidence that every idea, ever thought, and every awareness ever generated is even now contained in the universe as information or memory.
That consciousness survives death.
That God exists and is evolving.
Dr. Schwartz is no longer on the phone.
We're going to have to get him back on the phone again, I see.
So I guess I can do that.
Let me do that.
In fact, as I speak to you, watch, I can do this as I speak to you, I think.
Now, there are two parts in order to explain this in simple language.
The first is the realization that information, as well as energy, does not disappear when it goes out into space.
And as we described in the book, I tell this story of me sitting out in Vancouver, I don't know if you remember this, but where the light is coming off my body.
And I had this realization, this is the early 1980s when I was a professor at Yale.
And I was reading this book about modern physics, and I was very confused about it.
I was in Vancouver, British Columbia at the time, and think about it, it's 2 o'clock in the morning, and I'm sitting out pondering the nature of light, and the moon is shining, and I'm standing near to the window, and I can see thousands of houses to the right that have lights on, and also thousands of houses to the left, because I'm way up on a penthouse.
And I realized that if I looked into those windows with a telescope, I could see what was happening in each of those.
Might not want to, but now that meant that each of the light from each of those windows was going to my window.
But then I realized that if I could see them, they could see me.
That meant that my light was going into each and one of their windows.
So the first thing I realized is, my God, my naked image is going into each of their windows.
Not only was it going into each of their windows, but it was also going into the millions of windows that were not lit.
And then I had this experience, which is part of the foundation for recognizing that, first of all, information doesn't die.
And the realization I had was that not only was my light, and therefore everybody else's light, not just going into the windows, but what it was doing was going out into space.
And that one second after I had that experience, my naked image was 186,000 miles into space.
Yes, in fact, I tell this story that after I realized that I and everybody else was leaving there an imprint of this information going out into space, and that once it was going out there, there was no way to get rid of it, I realized that we had some kind of responsibility for the kind of energy and information we leave behind.
But, you know, humor aside, the whole basis of astrophysics is the idea that information and energy in the universe, when it gets out into the vacuum of space, it continues and doesn't really lose much of any of its integrity.
That's why you can have satellites that can be put up in telescopes that can be put up in satellites where they can look back to purportedly to photons that have been around for 12 billion years.
But the point that I'm trying is to make is that in the vacuum of space, energy and information does not by itself degrade or disappear.
So that's the first point.
And then we'll get to what happens if the light is in fact contained or modified along the way, which is how it gets to the idea that this is not just dead information, but it is actually living information.
And that's the second part of the analysis.
But the first part we have to understand is that information and energy does not just simply, quote, disappear.
It may be revised along the way, but it does not end.
Otherwise, we couldn't have a science of astrophysics.
So that's fact one.
Now the second part, which is what makes the work exciting, is you take that idea and you combine it with the logic of how feedback works.
Now what's feedback?
We take a microphone, for example, and plug it into an amplifier with a speaker.
And then we point the microphone toward the speaker and what happens?
And what he did was he had a very vivid imagination, and he took a ride with a light beam.
He imagined himself being a photon, being a light beam, and he's now traveling in space at the speed of light.
And then what he did was he looked out at what he saw.
And what he saw was not what he expected to see.
He was surprised.
And years later, when he became a physicist and learned the mathematics, he transformed that initial experience into the mathematics that led to general relativity.
Well, I said, I'm a child.
I'm going to try to do what, I mean, even though I was an adult, obviously.
And he had this as an experience because he realized that he couldn't see.
He couldn't see any faster than light itself traveled.
So therefore, he'd be traveling at the speed of light, but he wouldn't even know it.
Now, this is a kid, remember, who has his experience.
And what he saw was not what he expected to see.
Well, here's what I decided to do.
I was going to make believe I was Einstein.
It's early 1980s.
I was maybe 35 years old at the time.
And so what I decided to do is I was going to make believe I was an electron.
And I was going to travel around in a feedback loop.
So I was going to connect two components in what's called a resonating circuit.
So A is an electronic component with a wire that's attached to B, and then B vibrates and sends this information back to A, and then it goes around and around.
And what I did was I hitched a ride with the electron.
And as the electron went around this circuit, what I did was I wrote down what I saw.
So I took the ride once.
And when I got around, what I saw was not what I expected to see.
I took the ride a second time, and then I became, to tell you the truth, terrified.
It takes time for you to hear this, and then you're going to do something with that information.
And the simplest thing that you could do is to repeat it and send it back to me.
So if I say, hello, you would then say, hello.
Yo.
Yo, right.
Actually, that was very good that you said yo.
Now here's why.
Because what comes out of you at time three, this was the deep insight, what comes out of you at time three is actually some combination of what I sent to you at time one plus the state that you were in at time two.
But when you point the microphone, here's what happens.
Initially, the speaker is making like a tiny little hum, or there's a little bit of sound in the air.
The microphone picks it up and sends it to the speaker.
What the speaker does is it amplifies it just a tiny bit.
The amplified sound is then sent back out and sent to the microphone.
The microphone picks up the amplified sound, sends it back to the speaker, which amplifies it again, sending it back to the goes over and over and over again.
So the answer is exactly when you connect the feedback loop.
But you see, here's what we don't typically realize, that it takes time for that sound to grow.
And the growth process can be recognized if we slow the process down.
So by the way, with your video cameras, if any of your listeners have this, if they have any of the new digital cameras, they can actually play them in slow motion, record in slow motion.
And now what you can do is you can have a frame go by once per second, and you can actually see the creation of that systemic memory.
If what you do is you actually set it so the lens is slightly bigger, you'll see it cascading in an increased way.
And then if you start putting your hand and other things between the camera and the monitor, magic happens because you start accumulating complex information.
That's how a feedback loop works.
And what I realized quite unexpectedly was that that logic applied to every feedback loop regardless of the level in nature.
That's why we came to the conclusion that everything in the universe remembered.
You know, I always thought this song had some profound meaning, but I've been told by some who claim to know that it was nothing more than a breakfast the author of this song was eating.
Chicken and eggs.
And he was just about to mix the chicken with the eggs.
mother and child's reunion.
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Now we take you back to the night of February 8, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
This is how we can summarize it, and then we can have fun.
Because once you've gone through the basic logic, it leads us to virtually every anomaly that's been reported in parapsychology and paraphysics, which is one of the most implications of the interesting implications of the theory.
And a system contains A and B. So A could be an electron and B could be a proton in an atom.
And therefore, you will have feedback loops and hence what we call systemic memory or learning in atoms.
A could be hydrogen and B could be oxygen making a water molecule.
Therefore, water molecules can learn, which of course would explain homeopathy, just like atoms learning would explain what's called psychometry in parapsychology, reading watches, for example.
A could be one strand of DNA and B could be another strand of DNA, and therefore DNA itself could be learning.
A could be one neuron and B could be another neuron, two neurons, which would provide you with a neural feedback network, which is how the brain learns.
But A could also be one heart cell and B could be another heart cell, and therefore hearts could learn, which made predictions about organ transplants and personality changes.
A could be the heart itself and B could be the brain.
So you could have learning within the whole body.
A could be one person and B could be another person.
But just to finish the logic, A could be the Earth, and B could be the sun, or A could be one galaxy, and B could be another galaxy.
It doesn't matter.
Whatever level in nature, to the extent that they are engaged in a circulating feedback process, there would be some kind of storage of information and energy as the system unfolded.
And therefore, everything would be learning that had a feedback loop.
That was the big, big implication.
Now, just for the record, when this idea originally occurred to me in the early 1980s, I had three fundamental fears.
Fear number one was I didn't know if the logic was correct, and so I would have to write a paper.
But when I wrote a paper explaining the logic and people saw some of the implications, some of my colleagues at Yale would think that I had lost it because I was now going to be sounding like a flake.
You know, from homeopathy to survival of consciousness after death and more.
It were all predicted by the theory.
The second fear was that the theory might be wrong.
Now, in science, you know, we've been historically wrong.
You know, we used to think the earth was flat.
We used to think the sun revolved around the earth.
I mean, you know, ideas in science are always changing.
And, you know, I'm very, I love that fact.
That's part of the fun of being a scientist.
However, because this was such a big theory, it was a big mistake to make, right?
A huge mistake.
But here was the worst fear of all, the third fear.
And that is, what if the theory was actually correct?
Well, if the theory was correct, I was going to have to change virtually everything that I believed in.
So I did what any sane scientist would do.
I didn't tell a soul.
And I kept the theory secret for 13 years until I met Linda Russick, who ultimately became the co-author of the book and my spouse and co-conspirator in doing research and writing in this area.
I meet this woman in 1993 at a scientific meeting, a conservative scientific meeting.
And actually at this meeting, and this is important to know, is that her father had been a distinguished cardiologist, and he had recently died.
And they were honoring her father with an endowed named lecture.
And Linda and I started talking, and we shared very deep secrets with each other, and I wanted to meet her again.
So I flew out a couple of weeks later from Tucson, Arizona to Boca Raton, Florida, where she was living.
And I was just coming in for an evening because I was flying to New York to a family celebration and then flying back to Boca so I could then go back to Tucson.
Well anyway, so we're talking and talking.
And 4 o'clock in the morning, she's driving me to a Florida airport for me to catch an early flight back so I can be in Tucson on Monday afternoon to give a lecture.
And she asked me a question that no one had ever asked me before.
She said, Gary, she says, do you think it's possible that my father is still alive?
Do you believe in the possibility of survival of conscience after death?
And I said, essentially, excuse me.
If this end, no one had ever asked me this question before.
She said, really?
And I said, well, would it matter to you what I think?
And she said, yes.
And I said, well, why?
Why would it matter to you what I think?
And she said, well, because you're a serious scientist.
You have a reason to think that it's possible.
You probably have a good reason.
So I said, well, to tell you the truth, many years ago, when I'd been at Yale, I had stumbled upon this theory called systemic memory.
And I said, although I hadn't told the logic to anyone, so I didn't know then if it was correct.
And of course, I had never done any research in the area, so I didn't know it really was true.
I said, but to tell you the truth, everything I know about physics and chemistry and biology and psychology and so on would lead me to think the theory was plausible.
So she says, well, what's the theory?
But you have to remember, it's 4 o'clock in the morning.
I'm exhausted.
So I said, Linda, look, tell you what.
I'll come back and visit you in another couple of weeks.
And in the light of day, I'll tell you the whole theory, from the very beginning, and then you can come to your own conclusion.
So I flew back, and I tell her the theory.
We take a long walk.
Now, obviously, Linda's biased.
She's had a father that she dearly loved.
She's looking for a scientific reason to believe that he's still here.
And so she's going to obviously be predisposed to think that this is possible.
On the other hand, she was also her father's daughter.
I mean, Linda's father had published over 200 scientific papers, edited seven books in the field of cardiology.
I mean, they had done research together.
So she was, you know, trained to be skeptical like I was.
So she searched for a flaw in the logic, and she couldn't find one.
So she says, Gary, she says, do you realize how important this is?
And I said, well, I realize some of the implications, but I'm really quite frightened of them.
She said, Gary, she says, you've got to help me.
We've got to test your theory and see if we can prove whether my father is still here.
Now, you've got to put yourself in my shoes.
You know, you're an established academic who's just been asked by a very special person to do research in an area that you know some of your colleagues are going to be very upset with.
In fact, now that our work has become fairly public, it's been on HBO and Arts and Entertainment and Dateline and so on and so forth, the way we like to put this is that some of my colleagues would prefer that we'd be doing this research somewhere else.
She wanted to know whether there was a way, as we said, to prove whether her father was still here.
And since we were using this kind of systemic memory resonance kind of model, and since Linda had posited that it was possible that his energy might not only be weak, obviously, because he was no longer in a physical body, you know, like the light from distant stars, but also he might be in frequencies that we're not consciously aware of.
So one of the things that she did was she was interested in seeing whether or not the frequencies were in sound waves, but sound waves that were either below or above, particularly above, areas of human hearing.
So she purchased microphones that went down to 5 Hertz.
You know, the ear only hears about 20.
That's right.
And it went up to 100,000 hertz, and the ear typically hears 20,000.
And this was put into what was called a Hewlett-Packard Spectrum Analyzer that did these kinds of analyses for the whole spectrum in real time.
So we were able to actually look and see what these microphones were picking up.
And then what Linda did was she would attempt to, for example, look at her father's picture and invite her father to try to communicate with her.
And what we did was we recorded the sounds.
We also recorded brainwaves and electrocardiograms and so on.
But we were interested to see whether or not anything might be picked up.
Now, I must tell you that, to tell you the truth, in those days, I thought all of this was crazy.
I mean, I thought it was just a little nuts.
But the problem was it was consistent with the theory.
And so we started trying it.
And what happened was, just to make the long story short, is we began to see anomalous phenomena occurring that suggested that there was some sort of energetic pattern that would be coming in that we could not explain under normal circumstances.
And, of course, the big question for all humans is whether what we understand to be consciousness continues or whether we're sort of an echo of ourselves forever spreading out into time as light would.
In fact, when Linda and I in 1993, when I took this walk with Linda, which was actually on the beach, and I told her this theory, her number one question to me was, was my father's energy quote dead?
What the theory predicted and predicts is that in the same way that our energy and information is contained within a structure which has cells and boundaries, which is what defines our body.
And the reason that we have energy and information, that we don't just all diffuse into space, is because we also have a locality which is based on the boundary conditions and ways of maintaining this system.
What the theory predicted was that the history of our boundary conditions also was retained.
In other words, meaning that literally the cellular membranes and literally even the skin that we have, all of that energy and information is as preserved as everything else.
So that which enabled us to have integrity and circulate as an internal feedback loop to begin with does not disappear.
That's why, by the way, you could see my naked image in space, because it in fact maintained not just its static form, but all the structural components of what made it a form to begin with.
And another microphone, the control microphone, would be pointed, let's say, away from the two of them.
So you've got an active microphone picking up information between Linda and her father's picture.
And then you've got a control microphone that's just picking up, quote, background noise.
And then what would happen is that Linda would invite her father to make his presence known.
Now, of course, what did this require?
This required the plausibility that her father was still there and that he could function, and we describe this in our scientific papers, as a, quote, departed, hypothesized co-investigator.
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That's scientific jargon for saying that her dead father is working with us.
This experiment did not enable us to disentangle what Linda was bringing to the situation from what her potentially father was bringing as well.
Exactly.
And that's why we said we must do these kinds of experiments where the person is no longer in the loop.
And we have to design equipment, for example, where microphones are placed in separate rooms and where a given person could, let's say her father could be invited to be in room A at one time and room B at another time.
And then you look to see whether you've got the alterations in sound depending upon where the, quote, spirit was present.
But what I need to share is that I consider this to be so controversial that I told Linda that I didn't see how we could do research in this area.
Remember, this is 1993, 1994, with doing these early studies.
I said we have to be able to do something that is much more informative about the reality of all this to begin with before I would feel comfortable about ever talking about any of this in public.
Well, actually, if you never had proven in any way that it was Linda's father, you still would be on to something very serious from a scientific point of view.
Now, if he had never gone any further and had never proven that it was a separate entity, as I just mentioned to him, he'd still be onto something really big.
Because what was the human mind doing that would produce spikes in a microphone, actual high-frequency spikes, much higher than we're able to hear, that you could record when thinking about such things?
That alone would be a big scientific discovery.
But if, in fact, it's actually led to the discovery of life on the other side, well, that's much bigger.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 8, 2001.
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And hide myself in sorrow while you play your cheating game.
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And I did not find my sorrow in the warm water wide.
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And hide myself in sorrow while you play your cheating game.
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If you're teaching at Harvard and Yale and you have colleagues that are probably shaking their heads at you, You've got a lot to lose, potentially, in this kind of investigation, but on the other hand, what question can any of you out there think of that's more important than whether we continue?
Whether our consciousness continues?
I can't think of any more important questions, so we will press the good doctor when we come back from the break.
And we'll find out how he was able to actually discern that there is a consciousness that continues.
It's an incredible field to follow, and follow it we shall.
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The End Now we take you back to the night of February 8th, 2001, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
The End Back now to Dr. Gary E.R. Schwartz, and we're talking about whether consciousness actually survives physical death.
That really is what it's all about.
And the early experiments with his wife, Linda, showing promise, but not conclusive by any means with respect to whether you were actually seeing another consciousness or an extension of Linda's mind.
Something I think we know through lots of disciplines like remote viewing and other things that people seem to be able to do with their living minds, Doctor?
Here's how our work with mediums began and what initially pointed us in the direction of saying, wow, there may be a real phenomena here and that we can bring it into the laboratory and actually provide definitive data one way or another that the phenomenon, that Linda's father is here and therefore potentially all of our fathers and mothers and so on are potentially with us.
Here's what happened.
In 1997, I was in California and I was giving an invited address at the California Biofeedback Society, which is not important, but I was there and I was in the same city where a woman who I had learned about, a housewife from Irvine, California, her name is Lori Campbell, who, by the way, now has her own website.
It's loricampbell.net, www.loricampbell.net.
She's a very phenomenal medium.
I, of course, had never met a medium before.
But I was told that I should meet this woman because she was interested in science.
Now, by the way, you know, most mediums are not interested in science.
They're helping grieving people, or they're being famous, or they're being frauds.
But they're typically not interested in science.
So I went to meet this woman, and I went to be as an observer.
And I go to meet this woman, and she's going to read somebody else.
And I walk in, and the first thing she says to me, she says, hmm, she says, your mother's here.
I put, I'll see my mother.
And she says, well, you know, I can see your mother.
She's deceased, right?
And I said, yes.
And she goes on to describe my mother.
And she describes my mother to a T. Her size, her weight, her personality.
And my mother is now giving me messages that I need to call my brother because she's concerned about his welfare, which turned out to be true, and so on and so forth.
And I said, well, thank you very much, Laurie, but I'm really here to observe you as a scientist.
So she is now interacting with this other person, and I'm watching how she works.
And then she comes back and she says, oh, she says, your father's here.
And I said, excuse me.
And then she goes on to describe my father, who's standing behind my mother, and he's also short.
He's a small man, and he's very quiet, so on and so forth.
And she describes my father to a teeth.
So now I start getting interested.
And I said, Laurie, I said, can I ask you a question?
She said, yes.
I said, can you give me any information about a man named Henry?
Now, Henry was Linda's father's name.
And, you know, purportedly, we have been doing research with Henry, right?
But Laurie Campbell didn't know anything about Henry.
She didn't know my wife like this.
Well, all of a sudden, her voice changes, almost like she has tears in her eyes, and she just comes overflowing with love, totally different from my mother and father in terms of character.
She says, oh, she says, and she says, this man is telling me that he's been waiting to speak to us for years, and he's been following our research, and he really loves his daughter, and so on and so forth.
And all of a sudden, I'm now witnessing a third personality, which is potentially like the father-in-law I never met.
And you're going to see why all of this gets discounted in a minute.
I then say, okay, this is very interesting.
I say, well, let me ask you one other question, Lori.
I said, can you tell me anything about a person by the name of William James?
Now, William James is a very distinguished deceased scientist who has been purportedly in communication with a woman named Susie Smith, who has just finished her 30th book called The Afterlife Codes and has a website called www.iafterlifecodes.com.
And Susie has been purportedly in communication with this dead scientist for 40 some odd years.
And, you know, I couldn't believe any of this.
So I said, so Lori asked me, who's William James?
You have to remember, Lori is a housewife from Irvine, California, uneducated.
Well, all of a sudden, it was the first time I've ever witnessed what people sometimes call trance mediumship.
Lori was literally, quote, taken over.
She describes being at the turn of the century.
She's surrounded by all these books.
Everything's mostly in black and white.
She's wearing old clothing.
And she starts lecturing about the importance of the psychology of consciousness and consciousness surviving death.
And it's so important that research in this area is going on and so on.
And by now, you have to understand, now I'm bothered.
Of course.
So here's what happens.
And this is the take-home message.
I call Linda.
I had to catch a plane to get back to Tucson.
Linda was not with me.
I said, Linda, I've just met this remarkable woman.
And I said, I don't know what to make of this.
I'm going to put her on the phone.
She doesn't know anything about you or your father.
I've told her.
And I said, you talk to Lori, be very cautious and come to your own conclusion.
So I hand the phone to Lori.
And Lori says to Linda, she says, Lori, she says, hi.
And she says, my name is Lori.
She says, I want you to know your father's here.
And your father wants me to tell you to thank you for the music.
Just those five words, thank you for the music.
I hear the words, thank you for the music.
What does that mean?
It doesn't mean anything to me.
Meanwhile, on the other end of the phone in Tucson, Linda is in tears.
Why?
Because when her father was dying, he was in an intensive care unit, and he was on a ventilator, and the doctors thought that he was unconscious in a coma.
But Linda was convinced that he was somehow still aware.
So what she did was she brought in a tape recorder and pillow speaker and played special music for her father.
The only people who knew about that music was her mother, her sisters, a couple of nurses, and a couple of doctors.
So it was at that moment that Linda and I said, wait a second, this woman may be doing something that's extraordinary.
And if she's willing to come into a laboratory, maybe we can design experiments to actually prove whether or not Lori is getting information from a living conscious entity.
And medium one has never met medium two and vice versa.
And we know this from their phone records and so on.
And medium one is actually Susie Smith, who has been in a wheelchair for years, and she was at that time, I think, 86 years old.
Susie Smith claims that she's in communication with her deceased mother, whose name is Betty, with Professor William James from Harvard University, with Dr. Henry I. Russick, Linda's father, which we of course could never confirm, alone before with his research, and also purportedly with my father, Howard Schwartz.
Lori Campbell had already claimed that she received information from my mother, my father, Linda's father, and William James.
The question was, how could we prove that Lori was actually communicating with these people?
So here's the experiment that came to us.
It turned out that Medium One, which was with Susie, is a very good artist.
So we proposed the following experiment.
Susie would, first of all, in the privacy of her home in Tucson, invite these four people to serve as part of hypothesized co-investigators.
And by the way, obviously we have to take Susie's word for this.
So she proposedly does it and says, yes, everybody wants to collaborate.
Step two, in the privacy of her own home, what Susie does is she invites each of these four people to suggest a picture that Susie is going to draw for them.
So each of these people asks Susie to draw a picture.
Because remember, Susie's a medium.
So Susie draws these pictures, okay?
One for each departed hypothesis going there.
Of course, we do not know what they are.
We're totally blind to this, right?
Because Susie does this by herself.
In addition, Susie draws a control picture.
She draws a picture for herself.
And this is a control for telepathy or remote viewing.
It is to what extent can Lori get information about her picture.
Right.
Okay?
So she's got these five pictures.
They're put into an envelope, dated, and sealed.
Then, that's part one of the experiment.
Part two, Lori Campbell is flown to Tucson in a separate building.
She has not yet met Susie.
Lori was medium two.
In two two-hour sessions, she is asked to contact each of the four departed hypothesized co-investigators, each of the four dead people.
And her task is to attempt to see and describe each of their respective pictures.
Because the task of the dead people is to try to show them or tell her what their pictures are.
Linda calls it from here to there and back again experiment.
Here, Susie, you know, medium one, there to the dead people, and back again to medium two.
Now, in addition, Lori's task is to guess what the control picture is.
Can she go to Susie's apartment in her mind, where she's never been, and see if she can get Susie's picture?
So she does two two-hour sessions.
It's all videotaped.
And what we do, because Lori doesn't remember most of this, she's sort of more or less in a trance, what we do is we keep a record of the color and form information that Lori describes for the pictures.
So now we've got all this information.
And of course, Linda and I have no idea whether Lori's gotten anything correct.
Medium one and medium two meet for the first time.
And this is all, of course, videotaped.
And there are three experiments.
Linda is myself and also Dr. Donald Watson, who's a psychiatrist who is the person that introduced us to Lori Campbell.
And here's what happens.
First of all, what Laurie Campbell attempts to do, and also what we attempt to do, is based on our, what Susie does is she opens the pictures in front of the cameras.
So for the first time, we now see the five pictures.
But we don't know which picture is associated with which person.
So we're kept blind to that.
But we see the pictures.
Now, our task, first of all, is to see whether we can guess, just by our own intuitions and our own knowledge of the people, which picture we think was drawn by each person.
And by the way, the probability of guessing this by chance is going to be 1 in 5 or 20%.
Then part two, what we did, is that each of us independently used the color and form information provided by Lori during her mediumship sessions to see if we could guess which picture was drawn by which person.
Here was the data.
And then I'll give you the details about why it supports the survival of consciousness hypothesis.
When we were trying to guess based on our own, quote, intuitions and hunches.
As opposed to using what Lori had received during the relationship.
So during these, quote, control guesses, our average estimate, accuracy of guessing the pictures was 20%.
I got 20%.
I think Don Watson got 20%.
Somebody else got 40%.
And I think Linda got 0% or something like that.
It averaged out the 40%.
We have the numbers reported in a paper.
However, when we used the color and form information that had been obtained when Laurie, Medium 2, was connecting with the deceased people, each of us independently got 100% accuracy.
This is now when you get to the details where the data are so fascinating.
Let's take the control picture first.
When Lori was attempting to get information about Susie's picture, here's what happens.
She starts describing an apartment which she's never been to.
She sees a couch.
She sees a chair.
She sees where Susie sits.
She sees a television.
She sees artwork on the walls.
And she describes, I would say, at least 90% accurately, Susie's apartment, a place she's never been.
Now remember, Lori is very, quote, psychic.
So she's already showing she can do remote viewing.
When we ask her to describe the picture, she has no trouble, meaning she sees a vase, a purple vase, green stems, multiple shapes, and what she describes as, quote, a rainbow of colors.
Well, it turns out that there was only one picture that had a vase, a purple vase with a green stem, and literally all different shapes and sizes of flowers, literally a rainbow of colors.
And that was, quote, Susie's picture.
Interestingly, she also got other information that was unanticipated.
For example, she says that she's shown where Susie lived as a child, and that she's being shown a farmhouse, what looked like a farmhouse to her, that was white.
And in the backyard, there was a garden and a cow.
Well, Susie later explained to us she didn't live in a farmhouse, but it was light-colored.
But in the backyard, there was a vegetable garden, and there also was a cow.
So obviously, Lori was getting information.
And of course, this you could say, well, this is telepathic.
This is remote viewing.
So therefore, how do we jump from that to saying maybe the whole thing is telepathy?
So now we get to the part of what happens when she's talking to the dead people.
Well, when she attempts to talk to the dead people, here's what happens.
Lori is overwhelmed with emotion and information from the dead people.
For example, when she attempts to contact Linda's father, she receives all kinds of information about how much he loves his daughters and he loves his wife and so on and so forth.
And then at some point he says that he wants to tell Linda that he has been seeing his wife, Linda's mother, in her bedroom at night with the shades closed, still crying.
Now this is seven years now after her father has died.
Nobody knows that her mother is still crying with the drapes closed.
So obviously after the experiment, Linda calls her mother to find out if this was true.
And her mother confessed that she was still doing this.
When Lori is getting all this personal information, she found it very hard to get information about the pictures.
She was so overwhelmed by the personal information and the dialogue that it was very hard for her to get the pictures.
Unlike with Susie, where she got no dialogue, she just got, you know, she just got pictures.
Dr. Schwartz, hold on, and we'll be right back to you.
Well, if you buy all of this and you buy that there really is consciousness that survives death, and I strongly suspect that, then the next thing you have to wonder about is the nature of the other side.
I wonder if we know anything.
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Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 8, 2001.
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My love for you, I'll never let you go.
I've got so much is to go and just show how much I love you, baby.
I don't mind, and I don't mind.
Girl, I love there's no one above you.
You are the sun, you are the rain.
And make my foolish grand.
I love you so, and I'll do it all again and again.
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Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired February 8th, 2001.
I'm Art Bell with Dr. Gary Schwartz, and we're talking about something pretty important to most of us, whether there's anything after all of this and what his work would seem to indicate there is.
And if there is, then the next logical question, for me anyway, is what's it going to be like?
Curious?
What's it going to be like?
You've got to sort of establish a baseline first, and that's what we've done in terms of trying to prove to you that his research is valid.
but after that you kind of want to know well then you know what's coming Thank you.
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Now we take you back to the night of February 8th, 2001, on Art Bell somewhere in time.
Just like we do today, only they're going to be very prevalent.
That young children are going to be able to not have to discourage this capability, but actually they're going to be able to learn how to do it.
And not only that, if you're interested, you'll be able to purchase what a friend of ours calls a grandpa phone, like a cell phone, which will enable you to have instantaneous communication, dial-up, if you would, to the other side.
If not, actually have, and this is predicted by the systemic memory hypothesis, actually have technology to visualize the dynamic energy and information of our loved ones right in front of us.
And not only that, you ready for this?
10, 20 years now, all of this we will take for granted that here and there are just two sides of the same coin.
That we're all going to take it for granted.
And most people would say, I can't imagine that.
And what I would say is, the people who can't imagine that are probably the same people who couldn't imagine airplanes 100 years ago.
Let me give you a couple of my favorites right off the top of my head.
Let's take marriage.
Now, in the old days, there was only one kind of marriage.
It was till death did you part.
There was no divorce, right?
We stayed married.
That's what people did.
Whether you love your spouse or not, you didn't even pick your spouse.
You stayed married.
Then what happened is we created a new form of marriage, which is essentially a no-fault divorce, which really means we stay married so long as we're mutually caring for one another.
So we can be married weeks, months, years, and if we grow and change, then we have new marriage.
So we've got two kinds of marriages, really.
We've got marriage of indefinite period while we're physically alive, and the kind of till death do us part.
And by the way, Linda and I believe that it's silly for us to make these claims in our vows till death do us part if we don't really mean that.
Let's just have two different forms.
But let's now imagine the possibility that we don't die.
We just lose our bodies.
Now the question is, does marriage end at physical death?
So what we say is that, well, maybe there are actually three levels of marriage.
And the third level of marriage, in the most extreme form, Linda calls them, quote, eternal relationships.
That it is possible to meet people and love people and potentially have relationships that would continue far beyond what we can ever even imagine.
So you start thinking about relationships in a much deeper way than just the limited time frame on the earth.
And it changes literally the whole idea of marriage.
The only catch in that that I see is what about the lost love?
Let's say that we have a man and we have a woman and their marriage exists for X number of years and then the man moves on to a young cheerleader but the woman remains desperately, eternally in love with that man who's now with the cheerleader.
In fact, Linda sees one of the deep implications of having to do therapy between here and there.
She calls it soul family therapy.
And she sees therapy in the future literally taking place between here and there.
And not only are you doing therapy for people down here, but you're also literally doing therapy for the people who have died to finish or make amends for conflicts that existed when they were both in the physical so they can then make choices to move on in their lives or move back together.
You see what I'm saying?
Because these problems are unavoidable.
They're unavoidable.
Now let me give you another deep implication of all of this.
What the theory suggests is that the universe is indiscriminating about what kinds of energy and information is retained.
In other words, whether you're a good star or a bad star, your starlight continues.
Well, the theoretical implication, of course, is whether you have been a deeply loving person or whether you have been a pained, if not horrible person, your energy and information and consciousness continues.
And therefore, just as the Jesus Christs of the world are potentially still here, so are the Hitler's of the world.
And therefore, people's concern about, quote, negative spirits and the continued dangers of what's happening becomes a very real possibility.
I mean, what happens if, quote, the death penalty is not the ultimate punishment?
And what happens also if we also use that punishment procedure ineffectually and inaccurately, which, by the way, as you know, is what's happened.
Many innocent people have been inadvertently killed, even when the prosecutors knew that that was the case.
And the question is, if their souls continue after they've died, the problem hasn't, quote, ended.
And not only that, the implications are very deep for the fact that we will not escape what we do on the earth.
Which leads us to another whole area about what we talk about into the epilogue in our book, which is called Moving Toward Integrity Love.
The choice to be open is ours.
And one of the things that we talk about in this book is that if it turns out that there really is survival of consciousness at the death, and they can see things that we can't see, two things will happen.
Number one, if we lie and cheat on the earth, it's going to come back to haunt us.
Because not only is there going to be a record of it, but people are actually witnessing it as we're doing it.
So we may be getting it away with it down here, but we're going to have to face it later on.
Secondly, what happens if you can learn to connect with your deceased loved ones or your, quote, guides?
They may be able to inform you about who's lying and cheating to you at the time that they're actually doing it.
Well, if we could tell when we're on the earth by getting feedback from there that we're being deceived, what's going to happen?
We're going to ultimately be able to eliminate disintegrity.
That which we didn't get to do between Christmas and the new year, we're going to do tomorrow night, possibly on into the beginning of Monday as well.
So if you would like to register your yearly prediction with the Bell Family List, which then is secreted into the Bell Family Vault until a year or sometimes even longer passes, tomorrow night will be your opportunity.
We'll review some of those done in the past as well.
That's all.
Tomorrow night.
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Looking for the truth?
You'll find it on Coast2Coast AM with George Norrie.
It's obvious that the things that the Air Force has denied of the UFO phenomenon, there's a plan underfoot not to tell us anything.
Why do you think that is?
Look, they've been lying to us, not just on UFOs, they lie about everything.
i thought you might be in transit in the middle of the island about it but what was a lot of our club right away that's a good but the uh...
but you know But seriously, these are stories that we've heard, and they're from very credible sources.
I'll give you an example.
There's a woman who we know who, and this is the part that I find absolutely unbelievable, but it's true.
She has both an MD and two PhDs.
Very intelligent woman, obviously, and very sophisticated.
Her husband died, and she's a very open woman.
And she started receiving what she believed to be communication from her deceased husband.
By the way, he was also a physician.
And since she's been open to this, and she's, by the way, gone to mediums and under controlled circumstances and has received information that's confirmed this, at least they're telling her what she herself is experiencing, which is one way to get evidence.
She said that what she does with her husband, her departed husband, is not only does she talk to him to get advice and so on in her continued life, but also she will ask him to give her hugs, she will ask him to kiss her, and to remain in physical contact.
Now, no, I have not asked her about whether or not she's continued to have sex with her husband.
I'm not that bold.
But she has said that she literally feels his touch, experiences his interaction.
And you could say, well, that's just her fantasy.
Or maybe she's got a level of connection that most of us don't have.
Well, the answer, again, what the theory would predict is the way that we've been in the past will be a continued predilection and propensity in the future.
Now the question is to what extent can we overcome our habits of the past?
And the answer is we should be able to overcome our patterns in the past just as we can overcome our patterns in the present.
In fact, one of the things that we therefore propose, one of the deep implications of both the theory and the implications for survival, is that now's the time to become open to it while we're still physically alive.
In fact, if we could educate young children that this was true, if it is true, then they could live their lives in a much more open way so they would not have to die and not even be aware that they're dead or die and regret the fact that they didn't learn this stuff when they were here.
Dr. Schwartz, I'm very interested in what you're saying because it's very close to home.
As a child, I consistently crossed over and still do, ever since I was two years old.
There was a traumatic situation and my grandmother passed away.
And everybody would say, okay, she's not here, but she was always there.
And even at age 11, when she told me that she had to go, she kind of left the door open and I was able to pass back and forth.
Well, my parents had a lot of conflict with this.
And actually, what I have is a comment for you, and then I have a technical question.
My parents had a lot of conflict with it.
My mother being Catholic, she wanted me to be a nun.
And my father being Baptist, he thought I was full of demons because I would have constant information.
And I guess you're aware of the Monroe Institute, but it's the one place where I could actually come to grips and understanding.
And when I attended the first program back in 1989, I realized that all of the things that you're saying, he actually put together in programs.
And you were saying about what do we do about therapy for people that cross over?
That's actually addressed in Lifelines.
In any case, a lot of different things have occurred to me.
And I understand what you're saying because in actuality, I have constant communication with them.
And they help me through daily events and they help me with decisions.
But as little things go on, I always am saying, well, you know, help me to decide on where I should go into life and what I should be doing.
And ironically, I'm in radiology in the field of MRI and different radiologic fields.
And I was just wanting to know, I've noticed something technically that when I am actually in an MRI unit and you were talking about array system and phased and unphased and things like that.
Well, my group brought that subject to me long before I ever got into the mechanics of MRI.
And I started thinking, well, what do they mean about phased array and unphased array?
And then, of course, when I got to studying MRI, I recognized that it had a lot to do with magnetic forces.
Well, when I was in there with quite a few patients, I recognized that I could see other beings.
Of course, you don't go around to your other tech saying, well, guess what?
I had an MRI, and the technician said, you want to see something, and he opened up the front of it, and he took a steel bar, and he turned on the machine and put the steel bar up against the electromagnet and said, try and pull it off.
But we are holding this conference called Celebrating the Living Soul and Living Energy Universe, March 8th through 10th, at the university.
It's the first time ever.
And we're going to be talking about all the science and survival of consciousness after death.
We're going to be talking about our research in the Human Energy Systems Laboratory.
We're going to have a medium present.
You can find out about it at the website, livingenergyuniverse.com.
If there's any way that you could potentially attend this workshop, we would love it because we're deeply interested in the very phenomena that you are reporting.
And I would love our audience to hear about this and also to show you what we're doing in the laboratory.
Because we've been recording 12 gigahertz signals coming off the body and finding that the body actually generates very high frequency signals.
unidentified
Yeah, and I can really truthfully say, if anything, what's really helpful is the instruction that I got at Monroe Institute because it allowed me to sequence things, and I actually got into MRI after that whole situation.
It's been reported in a book written by a very distinguished professor from Stanford on human energy systems.
And it's the following claim, that when mediums are placed in what's called a Faraday cage, that's a cage that filters everything out, but electromagnetic energy.
No, it only filters out the electrical but not the magnetic.
It filters out the electrical but not the magnetic.
Yeah, the electrical part, but not the magnetic part.
Let me repeat this.
Let me tell you the story, Art.
This is very important.
You do not lose the magnetic fields.
For example, if you put a compass in the room, a compass will still point north because it still picks up the Earth's magnetic field, even though the electrical wave has been eliminated.
Under those circumstances, the average medium picks up information better.
It's as if the radio waves are, the electrical waves are distracting.
Now you put people in what's called a mu-shielded room.
A mu-shielded room is where you have a shield that shields the magnetic signals, which is not what's happening with MRI.
MRI is actually integrating the signals, synchronizing them.
When you eliminate the magnetic signals, under those circumstances, the average medium is less able to pick up communication from the deceased, implying that the communication is magnetic.
Now, why I'm sharing that is because that clicks with what your last caller said.
Sure.
That in the presence of an MRI that is producing a phase synchronization, which she says that she's received from the other side, then under those circumstances, she has greater experience.
And that's, to me, a very important observation that needs to be followed up.
Well, I hope she goes to the conference or gets in contact with you because that should be followed up on.
You know, while we're at it, since we're talking to so many people, I wonder if anybody else out there that works with MRI all the time has had any experiences they would like to relate.
So when she passed, from then until now, the amount of ADCs, as they call them, after-death communications that I've been receiving are so prolific that it's almost like a normal way of life for me.
I just call them interdimensional communications, and I now have an interdimensional relationship.
So I'm writing a book on this, and that's another story.
But to corroborate this for my book, and I had never before been to a medium, but one night I was surfing the web for other things.
I'm a jazz musician, and I was doing other things.
And all of a sudden, I was on the amazon.com looking up some books, and somehow there was an advertisement there for a very famous medium whose name is George Anderson.
He's one of the well-tested ones.
I've not seen George because he's very busy.
But when the book flashed on the page, I got this communication from my wife, like, you should go see one of those because that will handle your own self-doubt.
This is a telepathic communication.
So then I start doing research on lots of mediums.
And now, within the last five to six months, I've seen six different ones who have corroborated almost literally every detail.
And none of them know me, none of them knew each other.
And it was during six-month period.
And the things that have happened were so amazing that I'm just flabbergasted at this because to me this is first-hand proof.
And I cannot explain it in any other way other than, you know, that one color that said, how do you know it's an imposter?
And anyway, so I feel blessed to be on this whole program and for Art to have invited me on this.
But for your comment, for example, to come through right now, it's very important that your book get written.
It's very important that it be, that we can, and one of the things that's very interesting about our research is that we can provide scientific validation under even double-blind conditions.
unidentified
That's why I did all these multiple sittings, because now after five of them, it's just two, it's, you know, the probability is getting astronomical.
You know, there are people like this gentleman, like the lady with the MRI, people having these experiences.
She said, I wouldn't even begin to tell another technician about any of this.
I wouldn't even speak about it.
How many people, mediums, professional mediums, and just people who can do the things these people are talking about, would, do you think, step out, step forward, and subject themselves to scientific scrutiny in trying to figure out what it is they're really doing?
But I think that there's a tremendous transformation that's taking place.
And that, for example, just let me give you an example of this.
There's another gentleman of all places in Los Angeles who had a very similar experience.
It wasn't his wife.
It was a dear male friend.
He's a psychiatric social worker.
His name is George Dalzell.
And he also has a website.
And he began to have mediumistic experiences.
And he went to mediums and it was corroborated.
And he's written a book, which, by the way, Linda and I have written a foreword for, which provides evidential information.
And he's now participated in our research.
And I find it very, quote, coincidental that within just a few months, there are now two people from Los Angeles who seem to have these kinds of very unique experiences.
What I can share is, and it's been my experience, is that shows like yours, and yours in particular, and as people hear about our research, they start feeling more comfortable about sharing their experience.
Just, by the way, before we begin, you know, one of the thoughts that occurred to me is that you've never done a show where we've talked about the whole energy systems approach and all the science about measuring electromagnetic signals from the body and all of its implications.
You know, earlier today in the program, you were talking about how Einstein was imagining himself to be a beam of light and that you imagined yourself to be in a feedback loop.
Well, I was trying to imagine what it would be like for myself to be a spirit on the other side.
And so I was thinking, well, would I be able to both see the past, present, and future?
And if I were able to do that, then could I not also observe myself in the present from the other side?
And that if I were able to do that, then that might give some insight into how we actually look at our existence, that we actually exist on the other side all the time,
and we exist only on this side temporarily, and that during the out-of-body experience, like if I have a near-death experience, what really happens is that when my body dies, what's left is the part that's always there on the spirit side observing myself.
And that when I actually return to my body, I don't actually follow through on the complete death.
Then my consciousness is no longer aware of myself on the other side, but again, the consciousness becomes prevalent on this side.
Third, I think that what you say is also conceptually plausible.
And the implications to me are just, I'm sitting here sort of trying to catch my breath because I think that you may be right.
I'd encourage you, by the way, to continue to take this, quote, imaginary trip and to write some notes about it because I think you may have stumbled on something that's very meaningful.
I, by the way, myself try to imagine what it's like to be a deceased spirit.
But I've always sort of imagined myself as an observer of others as opposed to looking back at myself, which is what you've proposed.
And I think it's a very fascinating.
unidentified
You know, you mentioned also heaven and hell.
And I was thinking hell might be, and it kind of relates to karma, hell might be having to observe myself.
Actually, somebody sent, thank you, a message, a Fast Blast message about hell and said, you know, if there was open communications with our sprint 25 cents a minute or whatever the other time, who would want to hear about all the negatives of hell?
First time calling line, you're on the air with Dr. Schwartz.
Hi.
unidentified
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, this is Emily in California.
Okay.
And, well, I have two things that sort of relate to each other.
I kind of wanted to ask about it.
Five years ago, I had a child, and when I gave birth to her, I started to lose a lot of blood.
And they had to rush doctors in, and I was dying.
I was losing a lot of blood.
And what I did was I felt myself dissipating and rising up.
And I was very indifferent about the situation.
You think that you'd be scared or something like that.
But I was really indifferent about it.
But I was checked.
Before I felt that way, I checked.
I said, I don't remember saying this, but the people in the room said that I said, I'm filling up the room.
Like, I felt myself just expanding.
And I checked and looked at my daughter, and she was in my mother's arms, and that's what I had to do before I felt like I could take off and go, or I had to go.
I had to check that everything was the way it was supposed to be.
And then they saved me, obviously.
And since then, it seems like there's things that have happened in my life that have just put me in these positions that I wouldn't normally be in to take some physics courses and learn about the nature of the universe.
And in this physics course I took, the only waves that we really didn't focus on were sound waves because they were so different than the photons or the energy from light.
And something just keeps pressing in my mind that the sound has something to do with, that we're missing, that sound waves have to do, are the key.
And also, I'll find myself like I was one time I was jogging out in the trails and I went a wrong way and I got completely lost and it was getting darker and I really didn't know where I was.
And I stopped and sort of started to panic and I turned and went this other way and then I stopped again and then a voice told me, trust yourself, you're going the right way.
But it was talking to me.
It was this really kind, caring voice said, trust yourself, little one, you're on the right path.
And before I knew it, I was where I knew where I was, I was in the right place.
And then just today, I ran into somebody in a hallway who was working on computers.
And I just, all of a sudden, I just asked him, you know, do you think that all the computing and the more we enter like a ubiquitous era of computing, do you think it's going to change Our frequencies, all this electric magnetic field, do you think it's going to change our frequencies to how we conceive things mentally?
And I was just wondering if there was something that I, I mean, I just feel myself like increasingly approaching the ability to just break through seeing all kinds of things.
And I was wondering if there was something I could do to fine-tune that.
Well, I know, Linda and I know a person by the name of Bruce Moens very well.
And Bruce Moens has a website.
He's also written at least three books on traveling to the afterlife.
He's an engineer by training, scientifically oriented, and he's very interested in helping people develop their capacity to relate to the kinds of things that your caller is relating to.
And I would say that that's certainly one avenue to pursue.
Wildcardline, you're on the air with Dr. Schwartz.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning, Art.
Hi.
This is Joy.
I'm in Santa Cruz.
I'm listening to you over at the Internet.
Okay.
And first of all, I want to say this is an incredibly beautiful show.
Thank you.
And so good to have you back.
Anyway, I have a question for Dr. Schwartz.
You've been talking about the concept of everything being conscious at one level or the other, right?
Now, I have been, in my own life, following the path that the planet herself is a conscious being and that we are all part of her consciousness.
And that when we start to coalesce in consciousness, when we start to realize that we're all part of this consciousness, that it can kind of kickstart us into a better place of being.
And this is also something related a lot to what you have said, Art, in that part of the quickening is also part of the consciousness expanding.
Yes.
And what I would like to find out is if Gary has actually thought about how to kickstart all of us into a more heightened consciousness within ourselves.
I mean, I look at it from ourselves to our bodies, to the ecosystems around us, to the very planet herself in terms of opening ourselves to consciousness expansion.
And what we need to do in part is to reinforce each other.
Now, again, being the, quote, hard-headed scientist part, what Linda and I are proposing in this conference that's coming up is what we call evidence-based spirituality.
Okay, well, let me tell you, first of all, what the theory predicts.
First of all, the theory absolutely requires the possibility of reincarnation.
It absolutely requires it, because the energy and information is there, and therefore it can return.
However, the theory also makes some revisions or suggestions for alternative ways to think about reincarnation.
And here's what is typically taught, that what happens is our energy and information is somehow returned to a new body, as if all of it is put in there.
However, what physics tells us is that our energy and information is constantly expanding into space.
And it's virtually impossible to gather all of that and squeeze it back in.
So it may be the case that it's not an either-or, but it may be an and.
It may be the case that we can, quote, seed and return like eggs and sperms, so to speak.
But that still we can also maintain our original integral consciousness in a continuing form.
In other words, it may not be either or, but it may be and.
Now let me give you a second interesting complication of the theory.
When we do past life regressions, for example, and people have experiences and they have, quote, memories, and they feel very strong, the question is, and I consider this really a very interesting question, is how do we know when we have such an experience whether that memory is really, quote, our memory, Or what we're doing is we're just deeply resonating with somebody else's memory.
And let me tell you, the answer to that question is I don't have an answer to that question.
Right now, I would make that discrimination.
And I think it's, again, one of those great questions that we have to look to to the future.
unidentified
Well, the reason I was coming to this was I had heard someone once before, I believe, on Coast to Coast AM last summer when Art wasn't there, say something to the effect that they believed that people were born sometimes with memories from their prior life, and that they would have dreams about this, and then that's when they would get into past regression, past biogression.
And the reason that this kind of touched a chord with me was that I remember when I was very, very young having these just strange nightmares where I was repeatedly, very vividly watching myself from the point of view of an older man falling to my death.
And it just, the idea that, gee, is that just some kind of leftover memory from a prior life?
And now you're saying it could be a resonance from someone else, that makes sense.
I was just, that's why, that's what keeps this question.
And one of the things that's really been novel that's emerged lately, in fact it may have come on when your former host raised the question, was the question about, well, is it possible to reinterpret what we experience as UFOs?
And one of the ideas that has come to Linda and I is the possibility about what happens if there are deceased individuals from other planets.
The advantage of being, quote, deceased is that physicality is no longer a constraint.
It's much easier to travel across the universe and carry with you all your knowledge and information if you're not in a physical body than if you are in a physical body.
But it would be, the communication would be so far out of our frame of reference that we would regard that probably with our life experience as some sort of evil entity.
We are deeply interested in the question of, quote, pets and pet souls.
And in our research, by the way, we've repeatedly found that mediums can very accurately get information about deceased animals.
That's number one.
Number two, deceased animals seem to really hang around with their departed, with their living loved ones.
They seem to be loyal in death like they have been in life.
Thirdly, mediums are very good at often discriminating types of breeds and types of animals and so on.
And then, of course, the fourth thing is that what happens if you've got animals from other generations or even from other planets?
And it all becomes extremely interesting.
There's a veterinarian, by the way, in Connecticut who has developed a deep interest in actually looking at the deceased animal relationships with other deceased animals as well as people who are living.