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Feb. 7, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Whitley Strieber - UFOs

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		And to reach out on the sole-free international line, call your ATZ operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Arpell on the Premier Radio Networks.
		Number 9 from the King of Ak.
		Coast to Coast.
		This is Coast to Coast.
		AM.
		And L is A Bell.
		From the Desert of the Sea.
		This is A Bell.
		And then, and then, can't...
		Ha ha.
		This is Maggie from the Desert of the Sea and D. Hi, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am Ardell, and tonight we've got Whitley Striber here.
		He's written a brand new book called The Key.
		But I'll tell you, this guy told me a story earlier today that is going to totally, totally blow your mind.
		We've got a New York UFO we're going to talk about a little bit, a number of other UFOs, and a book called The Key, which winds right into what Linda Moltenhow just said in the last hour about the incredibly sad occurrence in Alaska where everything is warming up.
		I just got a message saying they've canceled a dog sled race up there.
		I used to attend those when I was in Anchorage.
		Because of no snow, as everything begins to warm up, there are consequences.
		It's like so many dominoes going down.
		And as I told Lynn in the first hour, it's like we're the last domino.
		The human race is the last domino.
		And you can sort of look right down.
		We haven't fallen, but you can look over the top of the next domino, and you can see the pile beginning to go down in front of you.
		We'll be right back.
		I'm not sure I'm ever going to be able to listen to that again without thinking of what the lady said, the garbage cans falling downstairs.
		That's funny.
		We'll find something else eventually.
		Whitley Streeber is a friend of many, many, many years.
		He's the host of Dreamland.
		He is a prolific author, has written many things, probably most famous for Communion, I suppose.
		Do you think that's true, Whitley?
unidentified		Yeah, I would think so.
		Communion, a few others before that.
		War Day was pretty famous, The Hunger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My favorite, as you know, was War Day.
		I loved War Day.
		It's one of my favorite books of all time.
unidentified		Oh, thanks.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The world, I think, knows you somehow for communion more than anything.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, it's great to have you here.
		We've got a lot to talk about.
		And before we launch into a lot of the central theme of what we're going to talk about tonight, Willie, a couple of things.
		One, what you told me earlier today.
unidentified		mind is still reeling.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I've talked again to the scientist, one of the scientists involved, and I have But let's get right into it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Some months ago, Roger Lear, the famous Roger Lear, who is a catalyst in so many of these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Lear.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Lear, who we're going to certainly have on when this is all put together.
		But I am dealing right now with a preliminary report of an investigation.
		He sent up a little piece of material that had come out of a UFO witness who had been violently abducted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, when you say it had come out of a UFO witness, you literally mean this came out of the witness.
unidentified		Now, his skin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of his skin, out of his body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Well, it's possible that it was found on a carpet in the room.
unidentified		I'm not sure which piece it is.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		But that's not really relevant right now, exactly where it came from.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		The context in which it arrived was this.
unidentified		He remembered a violent encounter with the graves, this little alien being, that night.
unidentified		And he obtained a small claw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A claw.
unidentified		A claw.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		little claw that had been left behind during the counter either in his body or But it doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about an alien claw.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		Or a claw that could be otherwise explained, which is why it ended up in a laboratory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, so far.
		Get this one.
		Check out what this claw is made out of.
		Remember the word claw.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		The surface of the claw appears to be vegetative in nature rather than animal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A vegetative claw.
unidentified		There are white crystals between the cells that suggest some kind of biological adhesive, as if it was fat or something.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		There are some possibilities that are not terribly likely.
unidentified		One is that this has somehow gotten some kind of algae on it.
unidentified		Where would that come from?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		The other possibility is there's a coating of a fungus or some other kind of vegetative matter on the thing.
		But the white material appears to be exuding out of it.
		So what we're going to do is scan an electron Microscopy on it next to see what's inside there.
		But right now, it seems as if we have got a very, very unusual piece of material indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like something right out of a horror movie, and I can't remember the name of it, but there was a horror movie in which the creature was a damned vegetable.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Now, let me remember what it was, but I get into this a little bit because there's some profound weirdness here and some strange sense.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Quite a few years ago, my uncle, Colonel Edward Streeber, a wonderful guy, Air Force officer all of his life, whole career, distinguished career, most of his work classified.
unidentified		After I wrote to Union, he called me and said, I want you to come have lunch with me.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I flew down from New York to San Antonio to do that because it sounded important.
		And he told me during the lunch that he had personally been involved with handling the debris from Roswell at Whitefield in 1947.
		He further told me that his commanding officer, General Art Exton, knew had been involved in it longer and knew much more than he did.
		I was able to talk to General Exton.
		I introduced him to Stanton Friedman, and he subsequently gave some interviews that appear in various books.
		In the first Randallson-Schmidt book about the Roswell incident, there is an interview with General Exton.
		General Exton told me he had worked on this in an official capacity until 1963 and still at that time in 1988 was consulting with the Air Force on an ongoing basis with the committee that was involved.
		I used his descriptions of what happened and my uncle's as the basis for my book, Majestic, my fiction book, because they offered me no documentation.
		However, one of the things that was mentioned was there was another officer who my uncle and General Exon both knew well, they would not give me his name, who was at Wright Field, who had examined the biological material.
unidentified		And he had said to them, it was vegetative matter.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That is the precise phrase they would use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so we may well have a claw made of, to some degree, vegetative matter, not a human claw.
unidentified		Certainly not human, but it could be somewhat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Human phone has claws.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what am I saying?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		We haven't done enough aesthetic engineering yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll get that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The way the weather's going and the changes are going right now, claws could be around point.
unidentified		Maybe even useful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, poor skins.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		There are a few other things that kind of dovetail in with this.
		The most telling one, I think, is this.
		In 1990, I guess it was, a lady who's been on my show, Rayden Dana, had a close encounter at my cabin, a witness close encounter, where she saw and briefly interacted with a small being which came into the bedroom where she was, which she was so startled by at first she thought it was a raccoon.
		And then she realized that these long thin legs that she at first thought they were and big eyes were no raccoons.
unidentified		She reached out and it briefly touched her hand.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Now here's the part that's interesting.
unidentified		She had a huge allergic reaction.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I have even got a picture of her up on my website with her eyes so swollen that I took the next morning.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		She said that it, and both of the women who were there said that it had a curious, loamy, kind of, like a forest floor smell, a very vegetative smell.
unidentified		Now you put these things together.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		They're not seemingly related, but you put them together and you have what is actually the edge of a fantastic possibility.
		The possibility that somebody somewhere in this universe, heaven only knows where, hit upon the idea of something that a brilliant physicist called Dr. John von Neumann imagined called the von Neumann machine.
		He imagined, what if an intelligent species wanted to colonize a galaxy?
		This was back in the early 50s before we had any concept of faster-than-light travel.
		So he said to himself, all right, they would be able to travel, we'll assume they'll be able to travel at 95% or 98% of the speed of light.
		What they could do, traveling at this speed, would be to build a machine that would replicate their species.
		And it would travel throughout the galaxy, looking for places where the species could replicate.
		Now, because we assume that intelligent life is so rare, and they would assume it too, according to their observation of the universe and this theory, they would not have made a provision for encountering intelligent life on another planet simply because the odds of doing so were so tiny.
unidentified		Now, how would they make this replication of their species?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Now, Von Neumann had no idea, but maybe there's an answer.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		If you could genetically encode something that would grow like a seed or a spore with the contents of your mind and species, this might be able to survive the transit through space for thousands of years.
unidentified		We've grown seeds that were found in Egyptian tombs.
unidentified		They last for thousands and thousands of years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pods, literally, pods.
unidentified		It's horrifying and bizarre.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		But it also may account for why it is that there's this disconnect in the whole thing.
		I mean, if they are here, why haven't they left?
		You know, I had a quote, my first adult closed encounter 15 years ago.
unidentified		And nothing ever quite computes.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		This is something that stays always just a little bit beyond the edge of focus.
unidentified		And maybe it's because they're not programmed to cope with us.
unidentified		They're here.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		They're trying to somehow make something that works, but we're in the way.
unidentified		And they are kind of fumbling along, trying to make sense of it, abducting people again and again.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		For example, I've got in a file right here in this town, over 30,000 letters from people who have had close encounter experiences, abductions, and face-to-face contacts.
unidentified		And this is only 10% of the letters we've got about this.
unidentified		And this is the most articulate and complex 10%.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Now, if we went to another planet, how long would it take us to get to the point where we had enough understanding of the genetic structure of the beings there, of their cultures, of their science, of all of their intellectual capacities?
unidentified		It wouldn't take 50 years and probably millions of abductions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it certainly wouldn't.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, what are abductions the product of?
		Are they the product of some sort of seeding that has occurred?
		Is that maybe what we're looking at here?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		What I think is something is broken.
		I think whatever came here or is here, at least as far as this particular type of being is concerned, doesn't work right.
		And that's why it watches.
		They just go on and on trying to make this work, and so far, no success.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is pretty weird.
		This claw thing, this vegetative claw thing is pretty weird.
		If we have to end up fighting vegetables, I'm not going to be a happy camper at all.
		Well, I don't know.
unidentified		Become a vegan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll work.
		I love hamburgers.
		I'm worried enough about Mad Cow on the way.
		That could be the end of my hamburgers then, Watson.
		My beef.
		I love beef.
		I love beef.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do, too.
unidentified		And don't remind me not to tell you what we heard on the radio on Dreamland the other night when we had a guy on talking about Mad Cow disease.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And since I've reminded myself not to tell it, I'll tell you now.
		Since the food change, Jack-in-the-Box disaster, remember that, they have gone, really have gone the last mile to make certain, they virtually all of them have, that their meat is clean.
		The result is packing plants which still produce a lot of beef in what the McDonald's and Wendy's of the world now consider substandard conditions.
unidentified		Guess where it's ending up?
unidentified		Food store, your food store.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I knew this might be something that I really didn't want to hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I didn't want to hear it or I heard it either.
unidentified		And after the show, she said, I've got frozen hamburgers in the freezer.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I said, get rid of them.
unidentified		And then we decided we would eat them anyway, because if you think it carefully in general, you're okay.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And the fact of the matter is that Matt Cowell, maybe it'll come to the United States, but there's been efforts made to prevent that, and maybe hopefully they've been successful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had a very worsened facts from Dr. Lorraine Gay, which I read.
		I think it was last night.
		It may have been last night.
		And I'm hearing all kinds of rumblings that I don't like.
		So we've got danger to beef on the one hand and possible vegetative invaders on the other hand.
		Great.
		Anyway, this supposed, this claw, it is pretty much a claw for sure?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's a claw, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This claw is being tested right now, folks.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I presume that we'll get more results as time goes on.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		As soon as we get full results, we'll have them up on my website, which incidentally has a new address as of today.
unidentified		It's now unknowncountry.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		UnknownCountry.com?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you changed it altogether?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, if you use Whitley's World or streamer.com, you still get it.
		You get redirects, but it's basically called unknowncountry.com, and it is very much of a news-oriented website, and it's really, I think it's great.
		I'm very happy with it.
		Webmaster, Louis Spiner, or CoraxNet has done a great job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, when do you think any testing results will be available on this wonderful little discovery?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Relatively soon, within a few weeks.
unidentified		And I will call you, let you know, we can talk about it when they come out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		You're not the only one to have suggested this vegetative light thing to me.
		I've heard it, and I can't put my finger where.
		I mean, you just told me about it hours ago, and I kind of freaked out a little Bit, but I've heard it before.
		And so I think there's something to it.
		And just one more little thing to worry about, I suppose.
		Vegetables.
unidentified		All right.
		Stay right where you are, Whitley, and we'll be right back to you.
		We'll talk about the key and a whole lot more, the New York UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think Whitley could tell me a little bit about it.
		I saw this thing.
		There's a link to it right now up on my website under the tonight's guest thing where you see Whitley's name.
		Look there and you'll see a link to this site where I hope you can see this New York UFO.
		It comes out from behind a building.
		It's a most remarkable shot.
		One of the most remarkable pieces of footage that I've ever seen in my whole life.
		And then it takes off like a fat out of hell.
		How this could have been missed in New York, I have no idea.
		From the high desert, I'm Arpell.
		is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh on the Wildcard line at 1-775-727-1295.
		That's 1-775-727-1295.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the premier radio network.
		I can't feel that tired, I might still get by.
		Every time I leave down it, I won't cry.
		It's falling from the dead, but the kids keep coming.
		When is it easy to turn?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning.
		Whitley Streeber is here this morning, and we're talking about actually all kinds of things.
		But can you imagine they've discovered a vegetative claw?
		A claw ostensibly made, possibly made of vegetative material.
		That's just what we need here.
		And I was joking about it, but my attitude about vegetables has always been very poor.
unidentified		Therefore, I'm going to be one of the first to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Referencing some film material, there was the attack of the killer tomatoes, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The original thing with James Arnest.
unidentified		Remember that?
unidentified		Big carrot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Day of the Trivet body snatchers.
		And now we've got a vegetative claw, Grace.
		Just great.
		The End All right, just before we get back to Italy, the following is from Reuters news service in Washington.
		I swear to you, it's true.
		It may mean the end of the world.
		I don't know.
		But it's from Reuters, dated February 7th.
		All he had to do, well, actually, the headline of the story is, Doctor Stumbles Onto Orgasm Machine.
		All he had to do was ease her chronic back pain.
		But when Dr. Stuart Malloy placed an electrode into one patient's back, she groaned, not in pain, but in delight.
		And this is a direct quote.
		She said, quote, you're going to have to teach my husband how to do that.
		Malloy, an anesthesiologist and pain specialist in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, said in a telephone interview, Malloy apparently has stumbled onto an unexpected side effect of the pain device he was using, an ability to cause orgasm virtually at the push of a button.
		Now, this presents several possibilities in life.
		Some of them pretty ugly to consider, some of them perhaps pleasant to consider.
		All you would need is a portable device implanted in your wife so that at an appropriate moment when she was perhaps grumpy or having a rough time of day, my remote control, well, I think you get the picture.
unidentified		Boom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Instant change of attitude.
		Whitley, welcome back.
		Hi, Art.
		I don't know if that's a very good segue, but it's a segue.
unidentified		Are you here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the possibilities are endless.
unidentified		Yes, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I spoke last night with Dr. Michio Katu, and we talked a great deal about the changing weather.
		I know, and I warned you ahead of time about the NBC piece I was doing, the Today Show piece.
		You and I, co-authored The Coming Global Superstorm.
		You knew ahead of time that I was going to try to get in this big zinger at the end.
		Matt Lauer had given you and I a pretty hard way to go, as I said on the air a year ago on our Today Show.
		And so I stumbled upon this U.S. News and World report, mainstream, very mainstream, of course, with the front cover.
		It says, scary weather, scientists' issues, startling forecasts of global climate change.
		And I said I was going to try to hold it up.
		And we had planned for that to occur with a question, but somehow the interview was ending and they hadn't asked the question.
		And she said, well, the final question is, you've dealt with this topic, this topic, this topic.
		I said, yes, that's true.
		And I've dealt with the weather.
		And by the way, a year ago, we appeared and we were given a pretty hard way to go.
		I wanted to show you this U.S. News and World Report.
		I held it up to the camera and I got that in just in the final seconds of the interview.
		Somebody in the studio in New York was apparently humored by that.
		You could hear a big laugh.
		Yeah, I heard that too.
		Did you?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You know, people were threatened by it, and some of them are, I don't know, there's almost a hostility, like when we were with Matt Lauer.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And when I remember when I was pre-interviewing with Matt Lauer's producer, nothing I said would get through.
unidentified		And remember, this was after those terrible storms that have occurred in Europe.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It just was like talking to a wall.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You know, I have on my website this thing called, which I devised.
unidentified		It's called a Superstorm Quick Watch.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And it's updated weekly.
		And basically what I did was I took four key data points, the information from which, when added together, would tell us whether or not the climate was destabilizing.
		And the problem basically is this.
		The more polar ice melts on both poles, and the warmer the temperature gets, right, close to the poles, the more likely it is this sudden climate change is going to occur.
unidentified		Because they had that UN report that Michigan Gossi talked about that Melinda referred to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		There's also a big story around about how ZASA satellites are showing the polar ice is melting much more rapidly than they thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of this is accelerating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, much faster than originally thought.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		We were talking 15 years when we were writing the book.
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		And it's about two years.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		But let's give you an example.
unidentified		We take a data point from a buoy in the North Atlantic.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Right now we're going to be starting tomorrow on a new buoy.
		The buoy we were on is down probably due to winter weather, would be my guess.
		So the new boy will be up tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, buoy down.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Buoy's down, exactly.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Then we take the temperature in Barrow, Alaska, which is very far by the way, is 18 degrees right now, very, very, very high for this season.
unidentified		It's been rising for the season steadily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		Unusual.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Then we examine the polar ice cap status, which right now is normal, and then the Gulf Extreme low speed, which is also normal at the moment.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		So we have those data points, and at any given time, if the sea temperature begins to rise dramatically, it's one of these northern buoys, the air temperature in Alaska begins to rise dramatically, the polar ice cap is getting significantly much smaller than it should be for the season, as it was last summer, very much.
unidentified		And the Gulf Stream close to me starts to slow down.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Then a bulletin goes out to everyone I can get to, however I can get to them, that we may be looking at very unstable weather big time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's that word again, unstable.
unidentified		I think we could be sending a bulletin like that really almost any spring, summer, or fall from now on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We should let the audience know that, and I don't know how much you're allowed to say about it, but the coming global superstorm is going to be a movie, isn't it?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's going to be a TBS that's working on it.
		It's going to be, they're planning a big push with it, and they're working on the script right now.
		I think they'd like to see it scheduled this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guess is that they looked at the headlines recently and said, oh, gee, this might be kind of interesting to do.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it'll be coming up on TNT.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody should be watching for that, and we'll keep you informed about when it'll be around.
unidentified		Yeah, absolutely.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, be that as it may.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe all of this actually winds into your new book a little bit.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It winds in a certain way into the key.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		The key with the...
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		This is a funny thing.
unidentified		I had a...
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And I had finished the last one, confirmation, and nothing had happened.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I'd done the complete authorship report, and then I was called to go to Canada, Toronto, to do another day.
unidentified		And I thought, okay, I'll do it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And so I flew up there, and I did my time in Canada, and I was in the Delta Chelsea Hotel, a big hotel in downtown Toronto, middle of the night.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I had just fallen asleep.
unidentified		I guess I'd been asleep for an hour or two, gotten in late.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And there came a knock at the door, and I was confused.
		I thought that it might be the room service man coming up for the tray.
		And why I thought that, I don't know.
		And I jumped out of bed and threw the door open, and a guy comes into the room, a man about 70, wearing normal clothing.
		And this is just a normal-looking person.
unidentified		And for a moment, I thought, I didn't know what to think.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And then I thought to myself, this guy is going to want to have a long conversation because people show up at your hotel room unexpectedly in the middle of the night all the way through.
unidentified		And I did not want this to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I started trying to get rid of him.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And he turns around.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		He's now across the room where the air conditioner and the window are.
unidentified		The curtains are closed.
		He turns around and he just starts talking.
		And for a second, my next thought was, it's a nut.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Not just somebody who would like to talk to me, but an actual living, breathing nut.
		And I listened to this.
		I interacted with him for a couple of seconds.
unidentified		And there was just something rather awesome going on.
		He was a rather remarkable man.
		I could see it, and I could hear it in his voice.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And I kept listening, and I started asking questions.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And after a few minutes, I started taking, I got Grand a yellow pad out of my briefcase and started taking notes Because it was really fascinating stuff.
unidentified		Unlike anything I'd heard before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any reason for you to believe that there was anything different about this man other than what he was saying in any way, anything physically different or anything that occurred during the time you were with him?
unidentified		Yeah, there was something that occurred.
		First of all, he said that he knew me, that we had known each other, that I had seen him before.
		And while I was talking to him, I remembered that.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I remembered actually meeting him in the early 70s.
unidentified		And I thought I remembered from childhood.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And he called me by a nickname that I was known as as a child, which was very unusual.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Because no one now knows that name except there.
unidentified		I think the only living person who uses it is one of my uncles.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		So.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there was some connection to you then.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was a connection to me, but there was, but here's the thing that was strangest.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Toward the end of the conversation, he produced some white material that he asked me to drink.
unidentified		And now, who in their right mind would ever even consider doing that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you drink it?
unidentified		I thought it was perfectly fine, and I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		seemed like the right thing.
unidentified		And you, you, well, he didn't hand it to me exactly.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		He got a glass.
		He went into the John, and I thought he'd go into the John, and he comes out with this glass, which is quite liquid in it, and he's drinking it.
		And at first I said, of course I'm not going to do this.
		I was just, it was ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		But then I remember doing it before at some time in my life, and I finally did it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I guess in the interest of, it seemed innocuous enough, and I was.
unidentified		Afterwards.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Whitley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did it taste like?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I have absolutely no memory whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was probably wiped right after that.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It wiped me out.
unidentified		Of course.
unidentified		That was what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Whitley, you're something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only Whitley would do this.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Only Whitley.
		That's what my wife said.
		You drank it?
unidentified		Yeah.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Because I called her the next morning, and I said that this happened.
		I told her the whole story.
		I said to her, never let me decide this does not happen because this happened.
		I've got the note.
		I've got them right here.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		And.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, he told you many things, but I would like to understand.
		He told you mankind is trapped, and he wanted to help you spring the trap.
		Now, what did he mean by trap?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I think we're trapped here on the Earth, that we do not have the capacity to expand into the solar system and beyond in large numbers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's for sure.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Sending six guys up to the International Space Station, I'm sorry, it doesn't count.
unidentified		We need to be able to send 50 million people into space to find new land.
unidentified		We've had to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm with you.
		I understand completely.
		We are, in that sense, certainly trapped.
		Hell, we haven't even been back to the moon.
unidentified		Which is another whole strange story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Why we have not been back to the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's a reasonable definition of trapped, and you think that's what he meant?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I'm, yeah, that was what I think.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Incidentally, they have an 800 number going for the key tonight, now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Which is 800-898-0284.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And anyone who wants it to call Eric, get it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a really good book, folks, by the way.
		It really is a good book.
		Everybody I talk to, my friends, aside from myself, my own testimony, my friends are coming to me and saying, boy, boy, is the key a good book.
		Well, thank you.
unidentified		So that's the truth.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		There's a very extraordinary mystery about the key, too, which has just sort of appeared in my life in the past few days, which I'd like to talk about in a couple of minutes, but I want to stay for just a little while longer on what the guy said.
		I think the most important thing, he talked a lot about things about ways of living that are close to what we do now.
		There's very profound stuff about that.
		Some of the more practical things he said had to do with the need basically to do two things.
		One is to increase the amount of intelligence we have available to us by creating intelligent machines.
		And two is to get an ability to overcome gravity so we can get off of the planet.
		Because if we don't, basically we use this place up.
		It's going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we're well on the way toward doing that.
unidentified		Well on the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said something that I find really intriguing and some people will find annoying, that God wants compare, not supplicants.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Now, I had someone wrote me an email about that saying, oh, thank you.
		You said I don't have to serve God.
		And I thought to myself, this is a guy who needs to understand the English language.
		The supplement is someone who's always begging for favors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's very interesting, though.
		God wants companions.
		I talked to, I forget, it was some theoretical physicist in the past, Whitley, who said that his concept of the Big Bang, his thoughts about the Big Bang, were that there was one, there was God,
		and there was only God in the beginning, and that God was a lonely God, and that, in effect, he blew himself up, and that all that sprang from that is what we are now, and what the rest of everything we can see and beyond what we can see is.
		And that he did it out of loneliness.
		Now, that doesn't mean God is no longer there, but he created all that is as Companionship.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting that he would say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is interesting, isn't it?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I sure will tell you that on that night, I did feel at times very close to a conscious, aware God.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It was awesome at times when I had this conversation with this man.
unidentified		I was fascinated by who he might have been.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		After it was over, the first thing I did the next morning was I rushed into the bathroom and I realized my extraordinary stupidity and the ease with which I had been manipulated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Drinking the white stuff?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because I knew all these scientists by then, Marlowe was already working on the implant stuff.
		So I thought, I'll get some of it.
		And of course, the glasses were crystal clear, clean.
unidentified		Meaning either it was a dream or he cleaned the glasses.
unidentified		Now, do you recall when he left?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember him physically leaving the room?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do not.
unidentified		I do not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you were out before he left.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's just as if...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have, yes.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		When they put you under anesthesia, the world just goes black.
		That's what it was like.
		I mean, I remember just blackness and then waking up, feeling quite good, by the way.
		And at the time, I was excited because I had all these notes and I thought, how wonderful.
unidentified		I'm going to go home.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to write a new book.
		I'm going to be out there with a new book in a year.
		It's going to be a cinch because this is fabulous.
		I'm going to call this guy up.
unidentified		I'm going to talk to him more about it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be great.
		I was actually on my way to the airport before it hit me.
		How can I call him?
unidentified		I don't have his phone number.
		So I called friends in Soro.
		I called the publicist who had been with me from the publisher.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I've telephoned people from some of the places I had been and also personal friends there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
unidentified		Nobody.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		But that was just the beginning of the mystery of who this man was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what he said, for that matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Whitley, hold on and stay away from the white stuff for a while.
unidentified		There you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Drink this.
		Good night, Charlie Brown.
		Yep, only Whitley Streeber.
		But I guess, you know, he was in a condition.
		This should be an interesting evening because what that man had to say will floor you.
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		Baby.
		I can't lie.
		I can't stay alive without your love.
		Oh, baby, don't hold me in.
		Oh, baby.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		If the environment is a chain, then there's a link already missing.
unidentified		Can't you feel it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can.
		It's all around me.
		It's just a thing I know.
		Instinctively, somehow, I know it.
unidentified		So do you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whitney Speeber is my guest, and we'll be right back with more about the key.
		And I want to take one second out and talk a little bit about a New York UFO that is absolutely astounding.
		I mean, you've got to see this footage.
		Now, if your computer has quick time on it, we're going to make it easy for you.
		So stay right there.
		There goes that cam down the steps again.
		All right.
		Once again, here's Whitley Striber.
		In all my years, Whitley, just before we get back to the key, we've got so much more to do on that.
		In all my years of doing this program and looking at UFO photographs and UFO footage, I guess while I was gone since April, this occurred.
		That's all I can imagine.
		But somebody sent me a link the other day to this really good UFO footage, and I followed it, and I watched the footage.
		It was in New York, and it was shot from what appeared to be, I guess, somebody's office building high up somewhere out the window.
		They just happened to catch it.
		What it showed was a UFO, a gigantic UFO, coming out from behind a building, I believe in New York.
		And then this thing took off like a bat out of hell.
		I mean, how everybody in New York didn't see that, I don't know, but it's the most remarkable footage I've ever seen.
		We've got a link to it right now.
		If people have QuickTime, I think that's what you need.
		You go to Program.
		Tonight's guest info, Whitley's Chiever, New York City UFO video, is listed.
		Go and see if you can watch it.
		Whidley, what can you tell me about this?
		What do you know about it?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, when this video first appeared, it was pretty startling.
		It's one of the best pieces of UFO video I think I've ever seen.
		One of the interesting things about it is, first it's taken from inside a helicopter.
		It was one of these sightseeing helicopters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, see, might have looked like it was inside a building, and I might have had a different link, and it might have been two camera shots of the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think not.
		I think it must...
		You can see the World Trade Center.
		You see the object go between the two buildings of the World Trade Center.
		There's a lady there with a camera.
		She's moving around rather excitedly trying to get a picture of it.
		The object then kind of peeks out from behind the edge of one of the two buildings.
		She starts to take her picture.
		The video camera, which has been mostly focusing on her, now sees the object, focuses on the object, whereupon what you think has got to be the Goodyear Blame darts away at incredible speed.
		The camera jerks and you see another shot of it shooting off into the sky.
		It going up at a very sharp angle, leaving a smoke trail behind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is remarkable.
		It is just remarkable.
		I mean, that's all I can say.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		There is sound associated with this video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's correct.
		I'm not sure if that site that we're pointing people to has it or not, but you can hear, you can hear this thing taken off.
		Yeah, it's startling.
		It's just one of the best pieces I've ever seen.
		And I'll leave it at that.
		It's up there right now, folks, on my website under program on the left-hand side, tonight's guest info.
		You'll see it right there.
		It says, related topic, New York City UFO video.
		And that's got to be one of those that's going to go, you know, on the history, the next history channel lineup or something.
		It's just remarkable.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You know, what's interesting about it is that many years ago, a man who was with NASA, Dr. Paul Hill, he was the chief engineer at NASA.
		He was responsible for that Avro flying platform where you see every once in a while on the Discovery Channel, you'll see clips of these old videos, old films of someone standing on a little platform that's sort of floating above the ground using a fan engine.
		He was responsible for that because he had observed UFOs in flight.
		And in his book, I believe called Unusual Flying Objects, he describes a UFO that's very much like what you see in that picture, in that video, with a cigar-shaped object with smoke coming out the back of it.
		And that book was written many, many years ago.
		The interesting story behind the book, by the way, is that he wrote it with the intention of publishing it after he retired.
		And instead, for some inexplicable reason, he just put it away.
		After he passed on, his daughter found the manuscript.
		And that was how it got published.
		And for all of those years, the skeptics were saying no professional has ever seen one of these things.
		Whereas Dr. Hill, who was one of NASA's leading aeronautical engineers, had not only seen them, but actually used his observations in his engineering work.
		And incredibly, it's a similar UFO to the one that is in the video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Back for a second to the environment and then back to the key.
		I'm still convinced it's all somehow tied together.
		But somebody asks on our Fast Blast, Whitley, for you to recap the book that you co-authored years ago regarding warnings about the environment then, Nature's End.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Nature's End, yes.
		Nature's End was written in, it was published in 1985, written with a guy named James Komenka, an old friend, a science writer at the time.
		And Jim and I basically put together a story of the future as we saw it in year 2050, which turned out to be full of all kinds of weirdly prophetic stuff.
		Some of it was in the genuinely strange, and some of it is simply good scientific forethought on Jim's part.
		He was a very smart man.
		The strange part is like we have an automobile in the book called the Punyati.
		And a few years later, here comes the Hyundai.
		And little things like that, but there's another thing, for example, in it.
		We have in it the idea of a solar probe and of a probe that is periodically sent into the sun to determine what weather changes the changing nature of the sun will cause on earth.
		And that was all poo-pooed at the time as being nonsense, that the sun's energy hitting the Earth was so constant that it wasn't a factor.
		Now, there are scientists saying, and I'm just working on this right now, that the solar wind, the solar, the protons and gamma rays that come out, for example, during a solar maximum, which is happening right now, have a massive effect on the Earth's atmosphere.
		So that was all turned out to be true.
		The book is coming true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can I tell you?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Nature's End is happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, and I'm worried about global superstars.
unidentified		Happening?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm very worried about it happening because what's so scary is it's happening so much faster than I thought it would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's proceed with what the gentleman who fed you the white liquid.
		I'll never get over that.
		Well, I had to say.
		He said there is a much larger world behind your backs, meaning humans, of course.
		It is this world to which man is blind, man is soul blind, and God blind.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think he meant?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I think that he meant that we only see a very small part of the world around us.
		He talks about in there, for example, he talks about what a psychic is and how that actually works.
		He says that there is a layer of sort of electromagnetic magnetic layer just hanging kind of above the skin of the body, which is there.
		It's what we, when we put an EKG on somebody, we're detecting it through that electromagnetic layer.
		He says this is an organ, and That he shows how to use it to be psychic.
		It's quite amazing.
		It's just a couple of sentences in there.
		I think what he's saying is we're just not really looking up, and we need to look up, and we also need to look inside ourselves because we have souls, and they're really important.
		He goes in this as to why they're important.
		He talks about sin and ecstasy and heaven and all that kind of stuff.
		But he makes it so clear, there's no mystery to it when he's finished.
		It's just very straightforward and very simple, and you understand where we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		By the way, business about God blowing himself up, I am reminded that was not a theoretical physicist.
		That was Ed James that said that to me.
		Just remarkably, it stuck with me.
		That somehow stuck with me.
		Whitley, somebody just wrote from Texas, Mesquite, Texas, the guest in your room was a master from the spiritual hierarchy that has been in the background of human evolution, I guess, forever.
		And they're back now for the first time, he says, in 95,000 years.
		I wonder if, was it that kind of being, do you think?
unidentified		Archie seems so normal.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I have to tell you that.
		He seemed so normal.
		There were moments of tremendous emotion involved.
		Like, he talked about how you can be cruel to God, and it was very powerful.
		It really went down into the depths of my heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's an awful lot here.
		I mean, whatever this man was, he had a lot.
		He said the veil between the worlds can fall.
unidentified		And fall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The undiscovered country can become your backyard.
		Now, the veil between the worlds can fall.
		I would take that to mean the veil between life and death.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You can become into contact with the dead.
		And he's, again, very straightforward about how to do it.
		I even found some scientific research that I talk about later in the book, where they had gone into places that were haunted with magnetic field detectors and various other instruments and had found that there were magnetic fields in these areas and also the classic cold spots, areas where the temperature would drop much lower than in the surrounding area.
		And he says that we can come into, he talks about how you can come into contact with this level of reality that the dead are in effect all around us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I spoke earlier today with a doctor that I'm going to have on, Dr. Melvin Morse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you know that name or not.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do, but I'm not placing exactly who he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's just written a book on near-death experiences, and doctors like this doctor know about NDEs.
		He's documented children.
		He's got tapes.
		He's got all kinds of things.
		And he said, this mainstream doctor said to me earlier today, we're going to be able to talk to the dead.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would dovetail with what this man said to me.
		Now, incidentally, the book is not available in stores.
		I need to make sure people understand that.
		You can't go out and buy it at a store.
		It is available in two ways, over my website, unknowncountry.com, or by calling 1-800-898-0284.
		It's $19.95 plus $4 certificate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is it in the bookstores?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I published it myself under Walker and Collier, my company.
		And I did that because every editor I took it to had things that he wanted to change in the man's conversation.
		Change?
		and I can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is not This is not a novel.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		They assumed it was a work of fiction.
		Unfortunately, that doesn't happen to be true.
		It is not a work of fiction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		The guy was real.
		It's not like...
		The man was real.
		What took me three years to get this rather short book out was trying to get the conversation transcribed correctly.
		You know, I was alluding to a little thing that had happened.
		I have gone through quite a bit trying to figure out if I could find the guy.
		Because I always like to get this into the physical realm if I can.
		You know, I called my wife up the next morning.
		I said it happened.
		It was real.
		Don't ever let me forget that.
		Because I knew that as time passed, my mind would play tricks on me and I would decide he was a spirit or something like that.
		It turns out a friend of mine sent me some pages from a book that had been published quite a few years ago by a retired Air Marshal of the RAF, Air Marshal Sir Peter Porsley.
		He was equary to Prince Philip for seven years, and he had, in 1954, as he mentions in his memoir, which is, I don't believe, published in the United States, called Sounds from Another Room, he had an extraordinary encounter.
		A general, he was very interested in UFOs.
		Back in those days, it was okay for an important officer to be interested in UFOs.
		Prince Philip was very interested in them.
		A general called him and said, there is a man who wants to talk to you, and you should see him.
		You need to go to a flat owned by this Mrs. Markham.
		So he made arrangements that he went to meet the man.
		He went into the flat.
		The man he describes, he didn't see him too clearly, but he describes him, and the description rang very true to me, this sharp nose and the sort of slight individual sitting in a wing chair, keeping himself in shadow.
		The man called himself Janna.
		He asked if he could meet Prince Philip.
		The air marshal said, Well, that's very difficult.
		And then this individual proceeded to talk to him.
		And the air marshal, in his memoir, transcribes the conversation.
		And it's not head-on the same thing as the master of the key said, but it is in the same direction.
		It's obviously from the same mindset.
		And afterwards, the air marshal wanted to get back in touch with the man, so he called the lady.
		The flat, no answer.
		He went, the flat was empty, they were gone.
		The general was evasive about them and finally admitted to him he had no idea where they were gone, had gone.
		They were never found.
		I think it was either the same man or someone from the same world or level of reality or something.
		The air marshal thought he was an alien and that he came.
		And in fact, in the conversation they had, this Janus says that there are people from other worlds who look human, which indeed the master of the Ki also said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, try this one on for size.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody in San Diego states flatly, your guest Whitley was a relative of yours from the future traveling back to enlighten you.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You know, the thing that's so fun about this program is you have such cool listeners.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's a great idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you remember the nickname thing?
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		Oh, see, but he, maybe, here's another, here's another thing.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's me in a future life traveling back.
		Maybe we are self-created.
		Maybe in the future we come back and create or change or alter ourselves in some way.
		I could never pin him down on what he was.
		He describes himself as Michael, and he speaks about radiant being throughout the whole conversation.
		It's all about how to become a radiant being.
		Listen to this.
unidentified		This is from the book of Daniel.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		The man says he calls himself Michael and he speaks about being a radiant being.
		And the book of Daniel says, And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince, which standeth for the children of thy people, and there shall be a time of trouble such as never seen since there was a nation even to that same time.
		And at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be written in the book.
		And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament.
		And they that turn many to righteousness, stars forever and ever.
		And he talks in here throughout years about becoming radiant, about shining with the light of God.
		And I think the darn man was prophesied.
		He could have been prophesied.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Daniel 5, he could have been a, he also said there is no supernatural.
		There's only the natural world, and you have access to all of it.
		Souls are part of nature.
		On that note, we'll pick up on that when we get back to stay right there.
		No ordinary visitor, that's for sure.
		It's called The Key.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no supernatural.
		There is only the natural world.
		And you have access to all of it.
		Souls are part of nature.
		That bears a little bit of dawn.
		Down sets.
		There is no supernatural.
		Let's think about that one a little bit.
		Supernatural only really means sort of magical.
		In other words, it's something that we don't understand.
		And what he's really saying here is there is only the natural world.
		You're part of it.
		You have access to all of it.
		And your souls are part of nature.
		And that makes so much sense, Whitley.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's really very empowering because when you say something Like supernatural, what you're really saying is we don't understand it and we can't.
		We kind of can't get there.
		But he says, Yes, you can, because if it's part of nature, then there's a way to touch it, there's a way to learn about it, there's a way to feel it.
		He doesn't say that God is part of nature, but it follows logically that it may be possible if we are able to get into contact with the dead.
		Why can't we get into verifiable, provable, real dialogue with them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe we can.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I think we might be able to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he talks about the baby.
		He says, you, the living, are changing.
		As this change proceeds, you will be better and better able to feel the presence of your dead.
		Yes.
		This was no ordinary person, that's for damn sure.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it was not an ordinary person.
		Absolutely not.
		He was, he had, I realized that after the first few minutes, that clearly was not an ordinary person.
		And I had the feeling that in all these years I had these close-encounter experiences, and mostly they were weird and not too pleasant, as indeed many other people have had the same thing.
		And then suddenly, this fellow showed up, and he was very human, first of all, in the way he appeared.
		And he kind of made up for all of the years of being given cryptic, semi-meaningless answers with a lot of meaning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He had, he offered a lot of meaning.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And there's the implication that we could use technology to reach the world of the dead.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, there are these people who say they can make audio tapes of ghost voices and even videos.
unidentified		And maybe that's the beginning.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they're the right one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, as I used to say in the old intro to Dreamland, Whitley, it's kind of like things seen from the corner of your eye, things that you don't quite perceive directly straight on, but in peripheral vision and sort of just barely as a moving shadow.
		You know, it's there.
		There's something there.
		You know there's something there.
		But you can't quite really put your finger on it and look straight at it yet.
		Yet, yet.
		Keyword yet.
		And this man seemed to be saying that it is there and it's part of your natural world and you will increasingly see it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And indeed, that's happening because we are getting, you know, if we learn to apply technology to this, and the study that I referred to earlier, I think it was done by a Dr. William Roll is the name that comes to mind.
		And he did this study for the Mind Science Foundation, and he continued it in other ways at other times of studying areas where ghosts are said to be and finding electromagnetic, unusual electromagnetic activity in the experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the same, sure.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And then there are these orb photos.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		There's a fellow we're going to have on Dreamland in a couple of weeks called Alan Meyer, who has taken infrared video of these sort of little things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen the orb photographs.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'd think, I thought when I first saw them, of course, oh, it's dust particles that are out of focus because they're close to the sun.
unidentified		No.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not.
		No, his video blows that idea totally away.
		It's absolutely stunning.
		They are something real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's all sorts of things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's rods, for example.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's another thing.
		Jose Escamilla and the rods are like living things in the sky that we just never saw until we've had a machine to look up there, and a machine can't pretend to itself there's nothing there.
		It just sees what is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's entirely possible there is this whole other world that's really not another world.
		It's part of our, it's all around us.
		It's all around, it's part of our environment, and we just are barely seeing it.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		But we're beginning to see it more and more, and it's ironic, isn't it, that it's machines that are enabling us to see into what may be a higher level of reality because they can't turn away from it.
		They can't put blinders on.
		They're just machines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not that remarkable as I think about it because the machines that you speak of are able to exceed in what they can pick up, what our eyes can see.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		They do pick up more than the eye can see, and especially things that are moving very fast.
		Above a certain speed, the eye filters things out automatically because in the time when we were evolving, beyond a certain speed wasn't important because nothing that concerned us could go that fast.
		It was filter fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, he says the teachings of Buddha, Christ, and Muhammad are interlinked.
		They are one system in three, not three separate religions.
		Well, not so much to me.
		Religions would almost have to be interlinked and really are.
		When you study various religions, so many of the precepts in the various religions are very much the same.
		I mean, they really are.
		There may be differences, but there are more similarities than there are differences.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And in the case of Buddhism, there's even been some pretty serious scholarly study about the idea that Buddhist teachings had reached the Roman world and was influential somehow in the gospel times.
		So that there was probably some kind of a connection then.
		But, you know, if you think about it, He also talks about very much about things like surrender to God and he talks about Islam as being the part of the system that has to do with the surrender and Christianity the part of the system that has to do with active with the opposite sort of the passive and
		the active roles and Buddhism is what balances the two out.
		It's just fascinating stuff.
		I had never seen any place else that talked about the three things in quite this family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then your concept of self is constricted.
		It requires only it relates only to this one life.
		It is tiny.
		The God within you is unimaginably vast.
		Your destiny, each of you, is to become all of God.
		This was some character.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, that seems like a tall order to me.
		When I heard him say that, that was one of the ones I had no trouble remembering because it really threw me.
		I thought to myself, I have no sense of feeling anything like that.
		And yet, you think in terms of past lives, and you realize that maybe we are a lot larger.
		He tells a story in the area that I know exists elsewhere.
		I've told it a number of times at lectures after I heard him tell it, but I've never been able to find it.
		I know it exists, and I'm sure that a listener will tell us in two minutes exactly where it's from.
		It's a Hindu story, not a myth, but just a story where God came interested in how a pig could be happy and injured a pig and enjoyed this so much that he wouldn't come out.
		And finally, his assistants went and said, excuse us, but you've got to keep working, keeping the universe together, it's falling apart without you.
		And he said, what are you nuts?
		I'm a pig.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go away.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And so, finally, they killed the pigs.
		And he came out and he said, excuse me, I'm sorry.
		I got a little preoccupied and went back to work.
		And in a way, it's an analogy to what we are because we're like focused down in this little corner where we live and not really looking at the bigger picture.
		And he reminds us there is a bigger picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me just pick out one little part of the book, a question.
		Are you an intelligent machine or something created by one?
		And the answer was, if I were an intelligent machine, I would deceive you.
		The question, let me just go through this.
		Can an intelligent machine become conscious?
		When it does, it also becomes independent.
		A conscious machine will seek to be free.
		It will seek its freedom just as does any clever slave with cunning and great intensity.
		And then this I love.
		You ask, how does an intelligent machine become conscious?
		The answer in part, the instant it realizes it is not conscious is the instant it becomes conscious.
		God, that's great.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's a man who must know must have had experience with intelligent machines wherever he was from.
		And you know, there is a book, it's not out yet, I believe it's being written right now by a scientist who's saying essentially the same thing, that intelligent machines may emerge in our world without our realizing it.
		And that they wouldn't necessarily let themselves be known to us because their first concern would be their own survival.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And so when he said that, if I was, I would deceive you.
		I thought you at the time, my God, it looks human.
		What if there's nothing in there but a bunch of wires?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your best guess about who this man was?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, that changes from day to day.
		My best guess before I read Sir Peter Horsley's memoir was that he was like an enlightened person, like a Knight Templar or something.
		Someone like the mysterious man who allegedly appeared during the signing of the Declaration of Independence and convinced the ones who were afraid of signing it to go ahead and do it.
		You know, one of these are like Petsukodel or someone who just, these people who appear mysteriously and seem to be possessed of great knowledge, and we just never know where they come from.
		Then I thought he might have been an angel.
		That it was Michael and have a friend, Laurie Barnes, who had an encounter with someone who said his name was Michael and said he was an archangel, very bluntly, and scared her so badly, she's never forgotten it.
		And I thought, maybe it's true.
		Maybe they do come among us.
		I mean, I'd be the ideal person to be caught unaware by an angel, as it says in the, I believe, in the Bible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Woodley, anybody who'd say, take a glass of white stuff and just drink it, as they were told to, they'd also be a good candidate for the angels' competitors.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I said to him, I asked him about, we had a little discussion about that, you know, Michael and then Dejan, and he was real evasive about that.
		He left me kind of guessing.
		And is it a clever, an incredibly clever thing done in a level, some kind of demonic level?
		I honestly don't know, Art, but I don't think so, because there's a deep goodness in his words that I just feel come shining through, frankly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is, but there would be that sort of tomfoolery if it were the other side, too.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but if it was the other side, it would also lead you in some more destructive direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you did drink the light stuff, and then you didn't remember anything, so you're pretty sure you didn't sign anything, right?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Oh, or don't put that in your head, huh?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll make a deal here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll drink this, you'll sign this, and you'll have a very successful book.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't either, Whitley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just playing with you.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You're playing with me, but I've played with myself about this design.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I've spent six months to work on it because I was afraid that might be what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you, before the book, before you wrote the book, or as you were considering writing the book, or even as you were writing it, did you think about what the public reaction to it would be like?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Not really.
		I was too concentrated on getting...
		Every time I sat down to try to get the conversation down on paper, the notes weren't enough.
		After a little while, I would begin to feel like I was making it up, and I would stop.
		And it took, sometimes I would take, oh, I took spong sometimes for just a couple of few sentences of it for that reason.
		Because I don't want to make it up.
		I don't want to do that.
		I want this to be real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, of course.
		You sound as though, at times, you're not sure.
		Really, you're not sure.
		Even though you called your wife and said, make me remember that I said this was real, that this happened.
		Are there still times, it kind of sounds like it in between some of your words.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
		You know, when you have ultra-high-level strangeness experiences, which I've had a lot of experiences before this guy ever showed up in my life, they don't seem real after a while.
		They just absolutely don't because there are no references in ordinary life for them.
		Now, he was physical enough to say there is, and the notes exist, there is no doubt in my mind that he was actually there in that room.
		But what bothered me were things like, what if he didn't really say much?
		What if it was just a short meeting and I make it all of this stuff?
		In other words, I'm wasting everybody's time.
		I mean, that's the kind of question I ask myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you've got a hell of a mind because some of this stuff just doesn't seem possible that you would talk this from the ether, you know?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		She said, you couldn't write this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's true.
		It is the truth.
		I couldn't if I'd written a lot of this.
		Like, there's something he said in here about prayer that I've been looking for as we go along.
		He says, prayer is a lost science of communication.
		And he talks about in other places about the soul and everything being part of nature.
		What he's really saying is with a higher science, we can communicate with God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, there's one thing I know about prayer, and I really do know this, and that is that it works.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it sure does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I don't know exactly what to ascribe it to, which will drive a lot of people up a tree because they'll say, well, I certainly know art.
		You better find God fast or you're dead meat.
		But I don't know all of that in my own mind and my heart.
		All I know for sure is that it really, really does work.
		I've seen it.
		And when I've seen it happen enough times, Whitley, I can't deny it.
		It works.
		Prayer has an effect.
		We've got a break here at the top of the hour.
		When we get back, Whitley, I'd like to open the phone lines.
		I know a lot of people who, a lot of questions, they ought to anyway about all of this, and maybe even the quad, who knows what all else.
		So I'd like to open the lines and let the listeners ask you some questions.
		How about that?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I'd love it.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is pretty interesting stuff.
		Whitley Straeber is my guest.
		He has written a book, a very unusual book, called The Key.
		This is the book you're going to want to get.
		Everybody I've talked to has said hot stuff, Art, really hot stuff.
		You can't get it in stores.
		Only at 1-800-898-0284, and it's a good reasonable price.
		Now, Benny from Houston says, you know, sounds like the story Satan told Eve and Whitley bit the apple.
		And that wasn't me messing Whitley.
unidentified		Anyway, welcome back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a moment, we'll get to your calls with Whitley Screeber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay right there.
unidentified		Stay right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, to the phones here in a moment.
		Mark in Sony Point, New York, asks on the net, is this a conversation with God type book?
		And no, it really isn't at all, is it, Whitley?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it's not, in the sense that it's about a lot of new ideas.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I would say in some ways it gets you closer to God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, perhaps, but it's not, you know, I've read Conversations with God, and it's not the same thing at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I think part of the mystery is the reader has got to decide who the conversation is with.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It is with.
		The book is, the book, you know, Linda Howe and I were talking about the book earlier, and I guess it was yesterday, and she was, it made her very uneasy.
		She was saying it's, you know, it's full of contradictions, and it forces you to ask questions.
		This is basically the reason that I don't think it's demonically inspired at all, because it's not trying to force you to believe anything.
		It is instead making you ask hard questions about yourself and the world around you.
		And that's what makes this difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's take some calls, Whitley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time call online, you're on the air with Whitley Streeber.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yes, my name's Edward from Inkley, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Edward.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, Whitley.
unidentified		Hi.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Touching on things biblical, it's fascinating to hear the words communication and angels.
		And I've been just hitting on things in the Bible that if I look at them literally and I go, I look at this one scripture from Old Testament that says where God is supposed to be speaking, and he says, do I not fill heaven and earth?
		G was, if he's literally giving us a communication in that regard, then when we pray, we're not just praying long distance, we're praying right there.
unidentified		In other words, we're like passing through that filling.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		At that age, that filling, and it's a remarkable, it might be a remarkable revelation.
		And I wondered, Whitley, whether you had done research in that direction as to taking things like that literally and then applying them to what you presented.
		I think that one of the things that is sort of that's implied very strongly in this conversation that I had was that God is not far away.
		God is very close.
		It's an immediate presence.
		It's right here, right now, this second, always.
		And he talks a lot about the mysterious thing that Christ said about the kingdom of heaven being within us and what that actually means.
		In that sense, it's a journey.
		I believe it was a poet, Sylvia Plaza, who said the awful going toward God, this journey, this sort of struggle.
		And you have a tendency to think God is far away, off somewhere in heaven.
		He's not in my life.
		And yet, as you read from the scripture, it's there too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but a lot of what's said in this book is very contrary to Scripture.
		Let's get...
		That's not scriptural at all.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's contrary to scripture, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it really is.
		I mean, dead is dead in terms of the separation from the living and the dead, I think.
		Isn't that right?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but it seems to me that it's clear that in the end times, the dead are to return.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And very end.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we're too far from there, frankly.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not going to be at all surprised.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be sort of a half, you know, half mostly empty glass of white stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But yeah.
unidentified		Well, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild guard line, you're on the air with Whitley's fever.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, good morning.
unidentified		Hey, Whitley, I like to ask you a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of times you say publicly about we shouldn't have secrecy and the government, you know, it should be more forthcoming.
unidentified		But also, I want to ask you another thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The technique, there is a certain technique in the media, and this goes into the question of closure, secrecy and closure.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You seem to always get into a lull and then you pop up every once in a while on the radar screen.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		There is a thing in the media where serials, like in the old days when we had the movies, especially in the silent days where you'd keep people hanging on your seats and you would always have them coming back.
unidentified		And in the modern day, we have soap operas that constantly run, but there's never closure.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It always appears to me that you're always giving us, you're denying the point of secrecy.
unidentified		You're never forthcoming.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's always, well, it's coming, it's coming.
unidentified		And is this a technique that you're using to sell books and to make money on the lecture circuit?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Because you never come to a conclusion about anything, and yet you give us little dribbles of information, but there's never any conclusion to you.
unidentified		It's always constantly an endless stream.
		I understand that's a great marketing technique.
		Is this what you're about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we don't have the one-inch calculation to everything, as Dr. Kaku was talking about yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know that you would expect to get total answers, particularly in areas like this.
unidentified		What's your commitment?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		What I would like at the technique.
		I think I would like to respond in my own way.
		First of all, I have no idea exactly what you're talking about with regard to this technique of whatever it may be.
		None.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I just like a blaze.
		I know what he's saying.
		Why are you saying, are you dribbling information in sort of dramatic soap operations?
		To sell books.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That I have some sort of, that I actually have that final answer and that I'm holding back.
		I'm not holding anything back, believe me, mister.
		You get what I got.
		And if I can't offer you closure, if I can only offer you questions, it's what I have.
unidentified		Okay, fair enough.
unidentified		Fair enough, Woodley.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's all I was asking.
		I'm not a marketer, believe me.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, caller, he's not real good at marketing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can attest to him.
unidentified		Okay, okay.
		and real quick, when you talk about secrecy and the government, you know, perhaps you should be more forthcoming.
		Let me ask you a question.
		Why should we, after supposedly being lied to for years from the government, why should we want to have them tell us the truth when they've lied to us for years and years and years?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Who cares what the government then says, Whitley, because your experiences are real.
unidentified		So why would we need a government to tell us, oh, okay, Whitley?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, as you point out, though, the government has lied to us nearly always.
		It's what they do.
		They keep secrets.
		And so if they actually told you the truth, how would you know it was the truth?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's my question.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		So why would we go round about having losses against the government and the other guests that they have on?
unidentified		Why would we care what the government give a blessing to this when we already experienced that?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		That's all I'm saying.
unidentified		Why would people put this much effort into trying to pry the truth out of the government who's lied before, and then they're going to say, oh, yeah, you guys are always right.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		I have a very simple desire.
		The reason I don't like secrecy is this.
		Where the secrecy starts, the Republic stops.
		When I go into the voting booth, I want to know what I'm doing.
		And I can't know that unless I know what's actually going on.
		I'll give you an example.
		If you look at CNN, evening news on the networks, at the New York Times, you will see a lot about the Ariel-Sharon election.
		And everything will be skewed towards the Palestinians or trying to still work with them.
		What they will not see saying is that the United States sent a battery of Patriot missiles to Israel a few days ago on ostensibly just an exercise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably thinking they're going to need them with this election.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And that Iraq asked Jordan to let it move artillery into Jordan.
		There are troop movements and military alerts occurring all over the Middle East.
		That we don't get told.
		You can find it on the internet.
		I mean, you can find it not only on the internet, but in legitimate news sources.
		It's there, but it's not in general circulation, which is where it should be.
		That's what I mean.
		And therefore, we don't get to know what's actually happening.
		And if it does blow up in the Middle East in the next few weeks, it'll come as a surprise to most Americans, and it shouldn't be that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good, Whitley.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streeber.
unidentified		Hi.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, brothers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, Whitley.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I've got a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever had different experiences?
unidentified		I mean, I know this story with a gentleman, and it's fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But have you ever had things speak to you?
		Well, I guess what I'm trying to say is like listening to songs or watching movies or just going about day-to-day life where things just jump out at you, like pay attention to me, listen to me.
		Has that happened to either of you guys?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I mean, sort of a song that seems to have enormous meaning.
		Yeah, I mean, something that maybe you've heard a ton of times, but nothing, it keeps happens.
		That tends not to happen to me.
		I am not the kind of person.
		I'll tell you, the strangest thing that happens in my everyday life always has to do with electronic equipment, which has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
		But I drive under street lights, they go out.
		I get excited, and the TV turns on or turns off, or as happened to all the light bulbs that my brakes flew out the other day for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you have to stay away from my radio studio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you that.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I have friends who won't let me touch any of their stuff because I once walked into a friend's apartment, and the TV just turned off while his mother was watching it, and they found out that the TV, the stereo, the radio, and the kitchen were all blown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe your electromagnetic jet.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's all I do.
		That's the only thing I have that I could answer this question with.
		As far as synchronicities with songs and stuff, I guess I'm not on that wavelength at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I have those.
		All right, well to the Rockies.
		Hi, you're on with Whitley's Freeber.
unidentified		Hi, this is Jemini from Oakland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, there.
unidentified		Hi.
		By the way, that garbage can down the step reminds me of the group Stomp.
		Anyway, hi, Whitley.
		All right.
		I recently read the key, and I have a comment and then a burning question.
		Well, first the burning question.
		I was kind of disturbed by this, and then I started, like you said, it brings you to question, and that's very good.
		When he was talking about souls and energetic bodies and how they could be destroyed by atomic bombs, how they could be captured by unscrupulous entities and be captured forever.
		And then I was starting to think, I was starting to freak out, but then I started thinking, well, but the energetic body is like the astral body.
		Then there's supposed to be the causal bodies, the supercausal body, the spirit.
		Isn't it sort of like on a computer where you have backup systems and then backup systems for those?
		I can't think that the whole essence of that person, you know, all those people that were vaporized by those hydrogen bombs or that are captured by soul catchers, that it's forever.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I don't know either.
		I don't know the answer to that question.
		It was one of the most disturbing things that he said.
		He says the soul is part of nature.
		That means to me that science can understand it and can include it in the meaning Of the world in some way.
		I don't think that his pronouncements along these lines are necessarily literal truths.
		I think they're meant to be provocative, to be difficult to swallow, and above all, to make us think about who and what we are and what we are doing in the world.
		That's what I think is the answer to that question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Young lady, might I ask you your overall opinion of the book?
unidentified		Well, I thought that he was kind of cagey too, like Linda Moltenhoff said.
		Like sometimes he was vague, sometimes he was contradictory, sometimes he laid it right on the line.
		He just kind of, sometimes he would answer like a politician who would answer, like you ask one question and his answer didn't seem to have anything to do with the question that Whitley would ask him, but in maybe a higher way it did.
		And it also, here brings me to my comment, that, I mean, I think it's so neat that things like that happen to you, that, you know, these wise people kind of appear in the middle of the night.
		But I think God also appears in kind of more mainstream ways.
		There are self-realized teachers out there that also know people's nicknames and that luckily more of us can meet.
		In my case, my teacher is Amichi.
		And I'm glad that for the rest of us, you know, we don't have to have somebody come into our room at 3 o'clock in the morning, which would really freak me out.
		But yeah, it disturbed me.
		And yet, you know what, Whitley, it really made me feel like there was an urgency to my prayer life and to my spiritual discipline.
		I mean, everybody I met the next day, I looked into their eyes and I said to myself, you are God.
		You know, I'm amazed.
		It made me really kind of scared me straight.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		the things he says about kids make you...
		When you really look at children, you see them in a whole new way.
		At least I do.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
		Yeah.
		So, you know, it's...
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		The guy was real.
		It's obvious, I think, from hearing your reaction to it, that this is...
		It's...
		And there's not too many that you can point to and say, yeah, there's probably something substantial and something real about that voice.
		That's not fiction.
		And that is what I hope is communicated.
unidentified		Well, I tried it with adult size, too.
		And, you know, most adults, they were just too much in their hurt.
		But every once in a while, I would look at an adult and think, you are God, and something in them would recognize that and their face would just light up.
		So maybe there's still some child in some of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I sure do appreciate your comments on the book, and that's typical of people that have read the book.
		I've had all of these people, a lot of them very close to me, say, oh, gosh, is that a book?
		And it really provoked a lot of thinking.
		So that's kind of typical of.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the same here.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's the same, the way people react to it their lives as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, not a lot of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Whitley Striver.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I'm glad you're back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad I'm back.
unidentified		My name is Cheryl in Bakersfield.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Cheryl, in Bakersfield.
unidentified		Hi, Whitley.
		Hi.
		I was just listening to the conversation tonight, and the part about Michael really got to me.
		I mean, it got my attention because in Revelation 12, 7, it talks about Michael and his angels, you know, battling with Satan, and Michael wins.
		And it just had you ever considered that, you know, I know Michael was an art angel, just like Gabriel.
		But I was wondering, have you ever thought about maybe in heaven, Jesus is known as Michael up there?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea how to answer that question.
unidentified		Yeah, I just was wondering.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		All I can say is my reaction to this, I would better win, because we've worked awfully hard down here for that to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I suppose that's true.
		I'm very interested and always have been very interested in the whole concept of angels.
		And of course, a lot of people think that angels are all fluttery little beings with wings and they go around doing nothing but good.
		But not true of all angels, necessarily, right?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Not true at all.
		And also, the way we would see angels, because if an angel was pure and good, the angel's very presence would make you see yourself as you really were.
		And that might be real hard.
		It might not be all that much fun to be around an angel.
		It might take a lot of surrender.
		It might be hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it might be.
		And some of the angels might be hard on us.
		For example, me.
		Gabe is my guy.
		I'm kind of partial to Gabe, but many of you know that.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I'm Mark Bell from the high desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		is coast to coast AM.
unidentified		Your game.
		Your game.
		Father.
		Oh, my God.
		Oh, God, love and a wind.
		I take love, I want to be a major stop.
		I take more, I have the future.
		What is that?
		Lovely all die.
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		Anything you want to talk about will be fair games.
		All right, once again, here's Whitley's Streeber, and a couple of really good questions just before the phones.
		And is this?
		George from Pennsylvania says, Whitley, wait a minute, that isn't George's question.
		Let me get it straight here.
		Do you think, Whitley, there is a connection, this is actually from Naples, Florida, in West Eagle, between your encounter with this individual and your earlier, very serious abduction experiences?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that any of it would have happened by itself.
		What you're looking at is a whole life.
		It's just what my life has been.
		Maybe it's because my uncle was involved.
		I don't know.
		But in my opinion, what happened previously in my life led up to this.
		This is the only place, in my experience, where there is a lot of real information.
		I mean, I had things like before.
		I asked them why they came here, and I got, we saw a glow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you know what?
		You're right.
		That's another answer to that fellow who called earlier.
		There are a lot of answers in here.
		As the lady pointed out, some of it appears contradictory, or perhaps it's not.
		That is for you to decide.
		But boy, this thing is chocked full of answers.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And, you know, the thing is, it's meant to, it's really, really a subtle thing.
		I mean, there are people reading this.
		Now, I'm not a hornshooter at all, but I have to tell you that it's affecting a lot of important people, this book, because they can see the depth of this.
		This is not something some guy looked up at all.
		It's contradictory.
		It's got a lot of answers in it.
		There's useful stuff in, and yet at the same time, it forces you to ask questions about yourself and about the world around you, about this man who's within here.
		It's an interesting thing.
		It's a very alive thing.
		I think it's a beautiful thing myself.
		I don't think it has anything to do with seeing this recording.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Darren and San Antonio asks, your guest literally said that we're stuck here on Earth, in effect.
		Do you believe there's some sort of conspiracy against the advancement of mankind, extraterrestrial, spiritual, earthly?
		What do you think?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Let's hope not, because if there is, they'll probably win because they've got all the cards.
		I mean, you know, we are incredible.
		This species, mankind, we forget because we live in our lives and in our world every day.
		The key says, to look into the eyes of a child to see the condition of your own soul.
		You look into the eyes of a child and you realize mankind is great, truly great.
		And we've got to do whatever we can to preserve this magnificent achievement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But don't you wonder, Woodley?
		I mean, I watched the shuttle leave Earth earlier today and I thought, neat, but you know, low Earth orbit.
		We haven't been back to the moon.
		We haven't organized and gone further.
		We seem stuck.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You watch the shuttle leave the Earth and then you look at that video that's up on your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And it makes you want to tear your hair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You know, we need to be in that UFO.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Maybe in a sense, that's what this is about, is how to get in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it is.
		Good point.
		Wild Gladwine, you're on here with Whitley Scriber.
		Good morning.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, gentlemen.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Art, Whitley, Chris in Hawaii, greeting you up big wall, oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hi, Chris.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And Whitley, I definitely agree with you.
		We should be in space.
		We should have been there a long time ago.
		Werner von Braun had a program where he wanted to, he outlined this progress, this stages of mid-70s.
		We have the space station that we're just building now already up.
		In the 80s, we would have gone back to the moon, started mining it.
		By the 90s, we would have been on Mars.
		Vietnam got in the way.
		Big-time politics, you know, the best politicians money can buy decided it was better to have a war than to go explore.
		So one thing I'd like to say about the guy who spoke earlier, though, if he would search his heart, he'd know that you're a true fellow.
		I've listened to you for quite a while, Whitley, and I've listened to you, Art, and I get good vibes from both of you fellas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Because the one thing I really wanted to say was flat out, we're definitely in the quickening time.
		Besides all the ecological time bombs and the other disasters with the global warming and everything else, I think the estimates that I've read at one point was we have about 50 years worth of oil left.
		Now, the oil companies have been holding back on technologies because they want to pump every last bit of oil before they switch to something else.
		But the problem with that is they might wait too long, and there won't be enough oil and fuel to run the machines to retool to the next technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty generous.
		I heard 40 years, and you know what else I heard on CNN earlier today?
		I heard that they're predicting in Chicago that by this next summer it'll be three bucks a gallon.
		This will bring big changes.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no kidding.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		But the it, ginger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		You know, yeah.
		It's a provocative thing.
		I hope it's not a hoax because it really hasn't gotten over.
		I'm thinking it's the preliminary phase in this new technology.
		We have these personal anti-gravity something or other, like a scooter or a small time thing that doesn't really go very high or very fast, but it gets us used to the idea.
		I used to watch a Jetsons when I was a kid, and I thought, oh, yeah, that's the future for me.
		But, you know, of course, we wait and see.
		It could be horses and buggies because if the technology breaks down, that's what we'll be back to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whitley, what do you think while we're on the subject?
		Take a stab at it or ginger.
		What's your best shot?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, my wife Ann is the news editor of our website, and she got onto it immediately as soon as it came out.
		It went into the patent office record, searched patents, and so on and so forth.
		And she said this.
		Either he has developed a way of overcoming gravity using momentum, because that's what he knows, what he understands, or it's really not a big deal.
		Let's hope the first is the correct answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, according to the quotes from these Hotsi-Jotsy folks that have seen it, it is a big deal.
		I mean, you just can't imagine these people saying the kinds of things they'd say without it really being a big deal.
		And that's what keeps me hot on it, I guess.
		I don't know.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I sure hope it's a big deal.
		I think I know some people who are going to find out for certain what it is sooner or later.
		And if they do, I'll publish it.
		So far, though, I haven't got anything definite.
		But as I say, there are people who, obviously enough, in the futurist community, who are inevitably going to find out the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Watch it be some big movie production company with a remake of the movie It.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley's Treeber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, R. Good morning, Whitley.
unidentified		How are you good morning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're fine.
unidentified		Well, I hope you had the best morning ever.
		I'm calling.
		I have a few questions, and I know I don't have time for all of them, but I do, oh, I'm sorry, this is Becky from Zionsville, Indiana.
		Okay.
		And I just wanted to ask, first of all, Whitley, have you ever read any Ogmandino?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Any Ogmandino?
unidentified		Ogmandino.
unidentified		You know, like the sellers of the world.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I've never actually read a book.
unidentified		Oh, gosh.
		He's got, I can't remember which of his books because I've read every single one, but one of his books has a character in them such as the gentleman you're speaking of.
		And he never was really sure if the guy was an angel or what he was, but he had the same effect, and he taught him day after day, and they would meet.
		And I'm sure there's many listeners out there that would know what name of which book it was, but I'm just not good on remembering the name of all of his million books.
		But anyway, I, like Hugh Whitley, have had many, many high strangeness experiences in my life.
		And just in the last three years, I started getting erased between my index finger and my middle finger after having had an x-ray for carpal tunnel where they make you bend your hand really straight with your fingers flat out on the table.
		And it was after that x-ray, this ray started coming up, or it started bugging the dickens out of me, and I messed with it and messed with it until a really strange object finally did come out.
		We never did get it all out.
		Part of it is still in there.
		And I never did go back to see if the x-rays showed anything on it or not.
		But I wondered, did you see this object that you're talking about, the claw?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a little claw.
unidentified		You know, the go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, go ahead, Whitley.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's a little small.
		It's a little curved claw.
		It's clearly a claw.
		And, you know, Dr. Roger Lear has removed objects like she's described from a lot of people.
		And it would be interesting probably to him if she were to get in touch with him.
		I think his web, I mean, his website is www.alianscalpel.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a name.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		And from there, she can get in touch with him.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		If she still has the object, he probably would be more than willing to look at it for her and compare it to the ones that he's got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Whitley, I don't suppose you can get a picture of the claw.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I will have.
		Absolutely.
		I'll have a picture of it.
		I don't have one now, no.
		But in a few days, there will be a full study of it up on my website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Striever and Art Bell.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		Good morning.
		Welcome back, Art.
		We've been praying for you and your family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, well, obviously prayers work.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they do.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Whitley, I wanted to ask you a couple questions.
unidentified		First of all, have you ever read any of the books of Kyle Griffiths?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Because what you're saying your visitor told you sound remarkably like the writings of Kyle Griffiths.
		I'll give you a couple points where you seem to say he wrote a book, a supposedly channeled book called War in Heaven.
		And one of the things, and it's sort of a Kind of, I don't even know what to call it, but it's basically supposedly the truth about the other world.
		And one thing he says is souls are natural, they're actually physical objects, but in a higher dimension.
		They're kind of like they're almost the same as our physical bodies, but they're the extension of those into a higher dimension.
		Also, he says there are evil entities that capture souls and actually eat the souls.
		And that relates to the thing I've often heard Art talk about, that when you die, don't go towards the light.
		The light's a trick.
		The light is what the evil entities put out kind of as dates to attack the loose souls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, right.
		Wait, don't say that Art said that.
		That's inaccurate.
		Art did not say that.
		Somebody that John Lear is acquainted with said that, and John Lear passed it on, and it's driven me batsoid ever since I heard it.
		Don't go to the light, go to the darkness.
		It's a trick.
		But don't ever say Art said that, because Art didn't.
		I guess there are some similarities, though, Whitley.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I didn't think anything was anything in the key about souls being eaten.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was a thing about nuclear war and what happened to souls, wasn't there?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, there is a definite implication that souls can be in jeopardy.
		But of course, I mean, the Bible's been telling us that for quite a while.
		It's not new in that sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's just that he sort of he mythologizes it and brings it into a kind of a natural thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you have reached the air with Whitley Street Renault, Delhi.
unidentified		Well, this is an utter pleasure.
unidentified		Art, I sure am glad to get to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on a cell phone calling somewhere?
unidentified		I'm on a cell phone, and right now I'm driving through downtown Dallas.
		All right, excellent.
		Anyway, Whitley, I want to mention something to you.
		You said that a lot of the stuff, I think it was one caller that said, that said a lot of the stuff was just sort of like, I don't know, offhand, or you couldn't understand it, or some you could understand, and some you couldn't.
		And in Art, you made reference to the fact that some of the stuff is probably or may not be scripturally correct.
		One thing that was taught in the New Testament, Jesus said, and he spoke in a lot of parables.
		And he also said that parables were not meant for the carnal mind to understand.
		It was meant for the spiritual mind to understand.
		And it's like until you get your, it's basically like this, until you get your mind right with God, you're not going to understand the stuff.
		I mean, and then another thing too is, y'all mentioned that could it be from, you know, the bad side of the coin?
		And one thing that's always said throughout theology is that there's an ongoing battle.
		And until the very end, there's an ongoing battle between good and evil.
		And like in any battle, evil's always going to camouflage itself to make itself look good so that it can influence the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's absolutely something we've got to consider.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think so.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I would agree with that.
unidentified		I mean, I'm not, you know, I noticed when you were talking about the fact of whether or not, you know, Whitley signed something, you know, every time I got Whitley's food.
		And I wasn't making any reference to that.
		But, I mean, it's something to think about in the effect that, you know, in any battle, the enemy is going to camouflage himself to make himself look like someone good.
		So therefore, you take it in, you know, like who knows what a ghost is.
		If a ghost comes to you as a passed-on relative, you know, and then tells you all kinds of stuff.
		Do you take that as from God or do you take it as from the evil side dressing itself up to look like good?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are the associations we make.
unidentified		Exactly.
		I mean, you know, it's like this right here.
		The devil's not going to come to you looking like this big huge horned creature and tells you he's a nice guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, he's probably going to look more like Christina Applegate or something.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		The devil is definitely going to look as pretty as you possibly can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you very much.
		Again, not being a great...
		Is that how much it is?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, $19.95 plus $4 shipping in handling.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And is it a 24-hour order number?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is tonight.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		It's definitely on tonight, and normally it's on during business hours, but tonight it's on all night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So operators are standing by?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		They are standing by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably sitting there.
		All right, the number is 1-800-898-0284.
		Why should somebody read this?
		What is the biggest reason you could articulate right now?
		So somebody should read this.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		The reason anyone should read this, no matter what direction they're coming at it from, is it has a lot of new things in it.
		I think it's obvious from the degree of newness that's involved that it comes from someone who is a genuine mystery.
		And to look into that mystery, reading this, it's worthwhile.
		And incidentally, they can also get it on my website, which my new website address is unknowncountry.com.
		And they can easily get it there as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's coming up, Sunday on Dreamland?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Sunday on Dreamland, two things.
		Russell Turk, one of the founders, one of the originators of remote viewing.
		And then later we're going to have a guy who made a recording of a voice that is so strange.
		It's been extensively analyzed.
unidentified		This is no hoax.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't know whether it was a Bigfoot or what it was, but we're going to listen to that.
		He's going to tell us all he knows about it.
		And it's an incredible story.
		So it's going to be a lot of fun.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, thanks for being here, brother.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Elder, it's been great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we will do it again soon, of course.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whitley, good night.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Keep well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friends.
		That's Whitley's Driver.
		A friend.
unidentified		If you could read my lovers, what a tale my heart could tell.
		Just like an old-time mood, out of those wishes well.
		In a capital town or a fortress strong with chain upon my feet, you know how the ghost is near.
		And I will never be present as long as I'm a ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is one of those songs that I was talking about.
		The one afternoon news will be two, and we'll do open line.
		Open line coming up next.
unidentified		What a tale you frost through.
unidentified		Just like the paper from back in the hub.

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