Whitley Strieber joins Art Bell to discuss The Key, his book exploring a "vegetative claw" from a 1990 UFO abduction and a Toronto hotel visit by a mysterious figure—Michael or a "radiant being"—claiming humanity must evolve intelligence to transcend gravity, linking religions as interconnected systems. Strieber speculates on self-replicating probes and conscious machines, while Bell questions supernatural claims like souls at risk from nuclear war or entities. Contradictions in The Key force reflection, not blind acceptance, with Strieber promoting its $19.95 price via unknowncountry.com. The episode hints at humanity’s stalled cosmic destiny amid political delays and technological mysteries, blending UFO lore with existential speculation. [Automatically generated summary]
I am Ardell, and tonight we've got Whitley Striber here.
He's written a brand new book called The Key.
But I'll tell you, this guy told me a story earlier today that is going to totally, totally blow your mind.
We've got a New York UFO we're going to talk about a little bit, a number of other UFOs, and a book called The Key, which winds right into what Linda Moltenhow just said in the last hour about the incredibly sad occurrence in Alaska where everything is warming up.
I just got a message saying they've canceled a dog sled race up there.
I used to attend those when I was in Anchorage.
Because of no snow, as everything begins to warm up, there are consequences.
It's like so many dominoes going down.
And as I told Lynn in the first hour, it's like we're the last domino.
The human race is the last domino.
And you can sort of look right down.
We haven't fallen, but you can look over the top of the next domino, and you can see the pile beginning to go down in front of you.
We'll be right back.
I'm not sure I'm ever going to be able to listen to that again without thinking of what the lady said, the garbage cans falling downstairs.
That's funny.
We'll find something else eventually.
Whitley Streeber is a friend of many, many, many years.
He's the host of Dreamland.
He is a prolific author, has written many things, probably most famous for Communion, I suppose.
Sounds like something right out of a horror movie, and I can't remember the name of it, but there was a horror movie in which the creature was a damned vegetable.
Now, let me remember what it was, but I get into this a little bit because there's some profound weirdness here and some strange sense.
Quite a few years ago, my uncle, Colonel Edward Streeber, a wonderful guy, Air Force officer all of his life, whole career, distinguished career, most of his work classified.
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After I wrote to Union, he called me and said, I want you to come have lunch with me.
I flew down from New York to San Antonio to do that because it sounded important.
And he told me during the lunch that he had personally been involved with handling the debris from Roswell at Whitefield in 1947.
He further told me that his commanding officer, General Art Exton, knew had been involved in it longer and knew much more than he did.
I was able to talk to General Exton.
I introduced him to Stanton Friedman, and he subsequently gave some interviews that appear in various books.
In the first Randallson-Schmidt book about the Roswell incident, there is an interview with General Exton.
General Exton told me he had worked on this in an official capacity until 1963 and still at that time in 1988 was consulting with the Air Force on an ongoing basis with the committee that was involved.
I used his descriptions of what happened and my uncle's as the basis for my book, Majestic, my fiction book, because they offered me no documentation.
However, one of the things that was mentioned was there was another officer who my uncle and General Exon both knew well, they would not give me his name, who was at Wright Field, who had examined the biological material.
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And he had said to them, it was vegetative matter.
There are a few other things that kind of dovetail in with this.
The most telling one, I think, is this.
In 1990, I guess it was, a lady who's been on my show, Rayden Dana, had a close encounter at my cabin, a witness close encounter, where she saw and briefly interacted with a small being which came into the bedroom where she was, which she was so startled by at first she thought it was a raccoon.
And then she realized that these long thin legs that she at first thought they were and big eyes were no raccoons.
They're not seemingly related, but you put them together and you have what is actually the edge of a fantastic possibility.
The possibility that somebody somewhere in this universe, heaven only knows where, hit upon the idea of something that a brilliant physicist called Dr. John von Neumann imagined called the von Neumann machine.
He imagined, what if an intelligent species wanted to colonize a galaxy?
This was back in the early 50s before we had any concept of faster-than-light travel.
So he said to himself, all right, they would be able to travel, we'll assume they'll be able to travel at 95% or 98% of the speed of light.
What they could do, traveling at this speed, would be to build a machine that would replicate their species.
And it would travel throughout the galaxy, looking for places where the species could replicate.
Now, because we assume that intelligent life is so rare, and they would assume it too, according to their observation of the universe and this theory, they would not have made a provision for encountering intelligent life on another planet simply because the odds of doing so were so tiny.
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Now, how would they make this replication of their species?
Now, Von Neumann had no idea, but maybe there's an answer.
If you could genetically encode something that would grow like a seed or a spore with the contents of your mind and species, this might be able to survive the transit through space for thousands of years.
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We've grown seeds that were found in Egyptian tombs.
For example, I've got in a file right here in this town, over 30,000 letters from people who have had close encounter experiences, abductions, and face-to-face contacts.
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And this is only 10% of the letters we've got about this.
Now, if we went to another planet, how long would it take us to get to the point where we had enough understanding of the genetic structure of the beings there, of their cultures, of their science, of all of their intellectual capacities?
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It wouldn't take 50 years and probably millions of abductions.
And since I've reminded myself not to tell it, I'll tell you now.
Since the food change, Jack-in-the-Box disaster, remember that, they have gone, really have gone the last mile to make certain, they virtually all of them have, that their meat is clean.
The result is packing plants which still produce a lot of beef in what the McDonald's and Wendy's of the world now consider substandard conditions.
And the fact of the matter is that Matt Cowell, maybe it'll come to the United States, but there's been efforts made to prevent that, and maybe hopefully they've been successful.
The End All right, just before we get back to Italy, the following is from Reuters news service in Washington.
I swear to you, it's true.
It may mean the end of the world.
I don't know.
But it's from Reuters, dated February 7th.
All he had to do, well, actually, the headline of the story is, Doctor Stumbles Onto Orgasm Machine.
All he had to do was ease her chronic back pain.
But when Dr. Stuart Malloy placed an electrode into one patient's back, she groaned, not in pain, but in delight.
And this is a direct quote.
She said, quote, you're going to have to teach my husband how to do that.
Malloy, an anesthesiologist and pain specialist in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, said in a telephone interview, Malloy apparently has stumbled onto an unexpected side effect of the pain device he was using, an ability to cause orgasm virtually at the push of a button.
Now, this presents several possibilities in life.
Some of them pretty ugly to consider, some of them perhaps pleasant to consider.
All you would need is a portable device implanted in your wife so that at an appropriate moment when she was perhaps grumpy or having a rough time of day, my remote control, well, I think you get the picture.
And basically what I did was I took four key data points, the information from which, when added together, would tell us whether or not the climate was destabilizing.
And the problem basically is this.
The more polar ice melts on both poles, and the warmer the temperature gets, right, close to the poles, the more likely it is this sudden climate change is going to occur.
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Because they had that UN report that Michigan Gossi talked about that Melinda referred to.
Then we examine the polar ice cap status, which right now is normal, and then the Gulf Extreme low speed, which is also normal at the moment.
So we have those data points, and at any given time, if the sea temperature begins to rise dramatically, it's one of these northern buoys, the air temperature in Alaska begins to rise dramatically, the polar ice cap is getting significantly much smaller than it should be for the season, as it was last summer, very much.
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And the Gulf Stream close to me starts to slow down.
We should let the audience know that, and I don't know how much you're allowed to say about it, but the coming global superstorm is going to be a movie, isn't it?
And then I thought to myself, this guy is going to want to have a long conversation because people show up at your hotel room unexpectedly in the middle of the night all the way through.
And I kept listening, and I started asking questions.
And after a few minutes, I started taking, I got Grand a yellow pad out of my briefcase and started taking notes Because it was really fascinating stuff.
Is there any reason for you to believe that there was anything different about this man other than what he was saying in any way, anything physically different or anything that occurred during the time you were with him?
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Yeah, there was something that occurred.
First of all, he said that he knew me, that we had known each other, that I had seen him before.
And while I was talking to him, I remembered that.
There's a very extraordinary mystery about the key, too, which has just sort of appeared in my life in the past few days, which I'd like to talk about in a couple of minutes, but I want to stay for just a little while longer on what the guy said.
I think the most important thing, he talked a lot about things about ways of living that are close to what we do now.
There's very profound stuff about that.
Some of the more practical things he said had to do with the need basically to do two things.
One is to increase the amount of intelligence we have available to us by creating intelligent machines.
And two is to get an ability to overcome gravity so we can get off of the planet.
Because if we don't, basically we use this place up.
I talked to, I forget, it was some theoretical physicist in the past, Whitley, who said that his concept of the Big Bang, his thoughts about the Big Bang, were that there was one, there was God,
and there was only God in the beginning, and that God was a lonely God, and that, in effect, he blew himself up, and that all that sprang from that is what we are now, and what the rest of everything we can see and beyond what we can see is.
And that he did it out of loneliness.
Now, that doesn't mean God is no longer there, but he created all that is as Companionship.
After it was over, the first thing I did the next morning was I rushed into the bathroom and I realized my extraordinary stupidity and the ease with which I had been manipulated.
Okay, see, might have looked like it was inside a building, and I might have had a different link, and it might have been two camera shots of the same thing.
You see the object go between the two buildings of the World Trade Center.
There's a lady there with a camera.
She's moving around rather excitedly trying to get a picture of it.
The object then kind of peeks out from behind the edge of one of the two buildings.
She starts to take her picture.
The video camera, which has been mostly focusing on her, now sees the object, focuses on the object, whereupon what you think has got to be the Goodyear Blame darts away at incredible speed.
The camera jerks and you see another shot of it shooting off into the sky.
It going up at a very sharp angle, leaving a smoke trail behind.
You know, what's interesting about it is that many years ago, a man who was with NASA, Dr. Paul Hill, he was the chief engineer at NASA.
He was responsible for that Avro flying platform where you see every once in a while on the Discovery Channel, you'll see clips of these old videos, old films of someone standing on a little platform that's sort of floating above the ground using a fan engine.
He was responsible for that because he had observed UFOs in flight.
And in his book, I believe called Unusual Flying Objects, he describes a UFO that's very much like what you see in that picture, in that video, with a cigar-shaped object with smoke coming out the back of it.
And that book was written many, many years ago.
The interesting story behind the book, by the way, is that he wrote it with the intention of publishing it after he retired.
And instead, for some inexplicable reason, he just put it away.
After he passed on, his daughter found the manuscript.
And that was how it got published.
And for all of those years, the skeptics were saying no professional has ever seen one of these things.
Whereas Dr. Hill, who was one of NASA's leading aeronautical engineers, had not only seen them, but actually used his observations in his engineering work.
And incredibly, it's a similar UFO to the one that is in the video.
Back for a second to the environment and then back to the key.
I'm still convinced it's all somehow tied together.
But somebody asks on our Fast Blast, Whitley, for you to recap the book that you co-authored years ago regarding warnings about the environment then, Nature's End.
Nature's End was written in, it was published in 1985, written with a guy named James Komenka, an old friend, a science writer at the time.
And Jim and I basically put together a story of the future as we saw it in year 2050, which turned out to be full of all kinds of weirdly prophetic stuff.
Some of it was in the genuinely strange, and some of it is simply good scientific forethought on Jim's part.
He was a very smart man.
The strange part is like we have an automobile in the book called the Punyati.
And a few years later, here comes the Hyundai.
And little things like that, but there's another thing, for example, in it.
We have in it the idea of a solar probe and of a probe that is periodically sent into the sun to determine what weather changes the changing nature of the sun will cause on earth.
And that was all poo-pooed at the time as being nonsense, that the sun's energy hitting the Earth was so constant that it wasn't a factor.
Now, there are scientists saying, and I'm just working on this right now, that the solar wind, the solar, the protons and gamma rays that come out, for example, during a solar maximum, which is happening right now, have a massive effect on the Earth's atmosphere.
I think that he meant that we only see a very small part of the world around us.
He talks about in there, for example, he talks about what a psychic is and how that actually works.
He says that there is a layer of sort of electromagnetic magnetic layer just hanging kind of above the skin of the body, which is there.
It's what we, when we put an EKG on somebody, we're detecting it through that electromagnetic layer.
He says this is an organ, and That he shows how to use it to be psychic.
It's quite amazing.
It's just a couple of sentences in there.
I think what he's saying is we're just not really looking up, and we need to look up, and we also need to look inside ourselves because we have souls, and they're really important.
He goes in this as to why they're important.
He talks about sin and ecstasy and heaven and all that kind of stuff.
But he makes it so clear, there's no mystery to it when he's finished.
It's just very straightforward and very simple, and you understand where we are.
By the way, business about God blowing himself up, I am reminded that was not a theoretical physicist.
That was Ed James that said that to me.
Just remarkably, it stuck with me.
That somehow stuck with me.
Whitley, somebody just wrote from Texas, Mesquite, Texas, the guest in your room was a master from the spiritual hierarchy that has been in the background of human evolution, I guess, forever.
And they're back now for the first time, he says, in 95,000 years.
I wonder if, was it that kind of being, do you think?
And he's, again, very straightforward about how to do it.
I even found some scientific research that I talk about later in the book, where they had gone into places that were haunted with magnetic field detectors and various other instruments and had found that there were magnetic fields in these areas and also the classic cold spots, areas where the temperature would drop much lower than in the surrounding area.
And he says that we can come into, he talks about how you can come into contact with this level of reality that the dead are in effect all around us.
What took me three years to get this rather short book out was trying to get the conversation transcribed correctly.
You know, I was alluding to a little thing that had happened.
I have gone through quite a bit trying to figure out if I could find the guy.
Because I always like to get this into the physical realm if I can.
You know, I called my wife up the next morning.
I said it happened.
It was real.
Don't ever let me forget that.
Because I knew that as time passed, my mind would play tricks on me and I would decide he was a spirit or something like that.
It turns out a friend of mine sent me some pages from a book that had been published quite a few years ago by a retired Air Marshal of the RAF, Air Marshal Sir Peter Porsley.
He was equary to Prince Philip for seven years, and he had, in 1954, as he mentions in his memoir, which is, I don't believe, published in the United States, called Sounds from Another Room, he had an extraordinary encounter.
A general, he was very interested in UFOs.
Back in those days, it was okay for an important officer to be interested in UFOs.
Prince Philip was very interested in them.
A general called him and said, there is a man who wants to talk to you, and you should see him.
You need to go to a flat owned by this Mrs. Markham.
So he made arrangements that he went to meet the man.
He went into the flat.
The man he describes, he didn't see him too clearly, but he describes him, and the description rang very true to me, this sharp nose and the sort of slight individual sitting in a wing chair, keeping himself in shadow.
The man called himself Janna.
He asked if he could meet Prince Philip.
The air marshal said, Well, that's very difficult.
And then this individual proceeded to talk to him.
And the air marshal, in his memoir, transcribes the conversation.
And it's not head-on the same thing as the master of the key said, but it is in the same direction.
It's obviously from the same mindset.
And afterwards, the air marshal wanted to get back in touch with the man, so he called the lady.
The flat, no answer.
He went, the flat was empty, they were gone.
The general was evasive about them and finally admitted to him he had no idea where they were gone, had gone.
They were never found.
I think it was either the same man or someone from the same world or level of reality or something.
The air marshal thought he was an alien and that he came.
And in fact, in the conversation they had, this Janus says that there are people from other worlds who look human, which indeed the master of the Ki also said.
The man says he calls himself Michael and he speaks about being a radiant being.
And the book of Daniel says, And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince, which standeth for the children of thy people, and there shall be a time of trouble such as never seen since there was a nation even to that same time.
And at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be written in the book.
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament.
And they that turn many to righteousness, stars forever and ever.
And he talks in here throughout years about becoming radiant, about shining with the light of God.
From the desert of the sea, this is Coast to Coast AM.
We'll be right back.
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He was, he had, I realized that after the first few minutes, that clearly was not an ordinary person.
And I had the feeling that in all these years I had these close-encounter experiences, and mostly they were weird and not too pleasant, as indeed many other people have had the same thing.
And then suddenly, this fellow showed up, and he was very human, first of all, in the way he appeared.
And he kind of made up for all of the years of being given cryptic, semi-meaningless answers with a lot of meaning.
Well, you know, as I used to say in the old intro to Dreamland, Whitley, it's kind of like things seen from the corner of your eye, things that you don't quite perceive directly straight on, but in peripheral vision and sort of just barely as a moving shadow.
You know, it's there.
There's something there.
You know there's something there.
But you can't quite really put your finger on it and look straight at it yet.
Yet, yet.
Keyword yet.
And this man seemed to be saying that it is there and it's part of your natural world and you will increasingly see it.
And indeed, that's happening because we are getting, you know, if we learn to apply technology to this, and the study that I referred to earlier, I think it was done by a Dr. William Roll is the name that comes to mind.
And he did this study for the Mind Science Foundation, and he continued it in other ways at other times of studying areas where ghosts are said to be and finding electromagnetic, unusual electromagnetic activity in the experience.
Jose Escamilla and the rods are like living things in the sky that we just never saw until we've had a machine to look up there, and a machine can't pretend to itself there's nothing there.
But we're beginning to see it more and more, and it's ironic, isn't it, that it's machines that are enabling us to see into what may be a higher level of reality because they can't turn away from it.
Well, it's not that remarkable as I think about it because the machines that you speak of are able to exceed in what they can pick up, what our eyes can see.
They do pick up more than the eye can see, and especially things that are moving very fast.
Above a certain speed, the eye filters things out automatically because in the time when we were evolving, beyond a certain speed wasn't important because nothing that concerned us could go that fast.
And in the case of Buddhism, there's even been some pretty serious scholarly study about the idea that Buddhist teachings had reached the Roman world and was influential somehow in the gospel times.
So that there was probably some kind of a connection then.
But, you know, if you think about it, He also talks about very much about things like surrender to God and he talks about Islam as being the part of the system that has to do with the surrender and Christianity the part of the system that has to do with active with the opposite sort of the passive and
the active roles and Buddhism is what balances the two out.
It's just fascinating stuff.
I had never seen any place else that talked about the three things in quite this family.
When I heard him say that, that was one of the ones I had no trouble remembering because it really threw me.
I thought to myself, I have no sense of feeling anything like that.
And yet, you think in terms of past lives, and you realize that maybe we are a lot larger.
He tells a story in the area that I know exists elsewhere.
I've told it a number of times at lectures after I heard him tell it, but I've never been able to find it.
I know it exists, and I'm sure that a listener will tell us in two minutes exactly where it's from.
It's a Hindu story, not a myth, but just a story where God came interested in how a pig could be happy and injured a pig and enjoyed this so much that he wouldn't come out.
And finally, his assistants went and said, excuse us, but you've got to keep working, keeping the universe together, it's falling apart without you.
And he came out and he said, excuse me, I'm sorry.
I got a little preoccupied and went back to work.
And in a way, it's an analogy to what we are because we're like focused down in this little corner where we live and not really looking at the bigger picture.
That's a man who must know must have had experience with intelligent machines wherever he was from.
And you know, there is a book, it's not out yet, I believe it's being written right now by a scientist who's saying essentially the same thing, that intelligent machines may emerge in our world without our realizing it.
And that they wouldn't necessarily let themselves be known to us because their first concern would be their own survival.
My best guess before I read Sir Peter Horsley's memoir was that he was like an enlightened person, like a Knight Templar or something.
Someone like the mysterious man who allegedly appeared during the signing of the Declaration of Independence and convinced the ones who were afraid of signing it to go ahead and do it.
You know, one of these are like Petsukodel or someone who just, these people who appear mysteriously and seem to be possessed of great knowledge, and we just never know where they come from.
Then I thought he might have been an angel.
That it was Michael and have a friend, Laurie Barnes, who had an encounter with someone who said his name was Michael and said he was an archangel, very bluntly, and scared her so badly, she's never forgotten it.
And I thought, maybe it's true.
Maybe they do come among us.
I mean, I'd be the ideal person to be caught unaware by an angel, as it says in the, I believe, in the Bible.
You know, Woodley, anybody who'd say, take a glass of white stuff and just drink it, as they were told to, they'd also be a good candidate for the angels' competitors.
Did you, before the book, before you wrote the book, or as you were considering writing the book, or even as you were writing it, did you think about what the public reaction to it would be like?
You know, when you have ultra-high-level strangeness experiences, which I've had a lot of experiences before this guy ever showed up in my life, they don't seem real after a while.
They just absolutely don't because there are no references in ordinary life for them.
Now, he was physical enough to say there is, and the notes exist, there is no doubt in my mind that he was actually there in that room.
But what bothered me were things like, what if he didn't really say much?
What if it was just a short meeting and I make it all of this stuff?
The book is, the book, you know, Linda Howe and I were talking about the book earlier, and I guess it was yesterday, and she was, it made her very uneasy.
She was saying it's, you know, it's full of contradictions, and it forces you to ask questions.
This is basically the reason that I don't think it's demonically inspired at all, because it's not trying to force you to believe anything.
It is instead making you ask hard questions about yourself and the world around you.
Touching on things biblical, it's fascinating to hear the words communication and angels.
And I've been just hitting on things in the Bible that if I look at them literally and I go, I look at this one scripture from Old Testament that says where God is supposed to be speaking, and he says, do I not fill heaven and earth?
G was, if he's literally giving us a communication in that regard, then when we pray, we're not just praying long distance, we're praying right there.
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In other words, we're like passing through that filling.
At that age, that filling, and it's a remarkable, it might be a remarkable revelation.
And I wondered, Whitley, whether you had done research in that direction as to taking things like that literally and then applying them to what you presented.
I think that one of the things that is sort of that's implied very strongly in this conversation that I had was that God is not far away.
God is very close.
It's an immediate presence.
It's right here, right now, this second, always.
And he talks a lot about the mysterious thing that Christ said about the kingdom of heaven being within us and what that actually means.
In that sense, it's a journey.
I believe it was a poet, Sylvia Plaza, who said the awful going toward God, this journey, this sort of struggle.
And you have a tendency to think God is far away, off somewhere in heaven.
He's not in my life.
And yet, as you read from the scripture, it's there too.
You seem to always get into a lull and then you pop up every once in a while on the radar screen.
There is a thing in the media where serials, like in the old days when we had the movies, especially in the silent days where you'd keep people hanging on your seats and you would always have them coming back.
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And in the modern day, we have soap operas that constantly run, but there's never closure.
Actually, caller, he's not real good at marketing.
I can attest to him.
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and real quick, when you talk about secrecy and the government, you know, perhaps you should be more forthcoming.
Let me ask you a question.
Why should we, after supposedly being lied to for years from the government, why should we want to have them tell us the truth when they've lied to us for years and years and years?
Why would people put this much effort into trying to pry the truth out of the government who's lied before, and then they're going to say, oh, yeah, you guys are always right.
Well, I guess what I'm trying to say is like listening to songs or watching movies or just going about day-to-day life where things just jump out at you, like pay attention to me, listen to me.
I mean, sort of a song that seems to have enormous meaning.
Yeah, I mean, something that maybe you've heard a ton of times, but nothing, it keeps happens.
That tends not to happen to me.
I am not the kind of person.
I'll tell you, the strangest thing that happens in my everyday life always has to do with electronic equipment, which has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
But I drive under street lights, they go out.
I get excited, and the TV turns on or turns off, or as happened to all the light bulbs that my brakes flew out the other day for.
Listen, I have friends who won't let me touch any of their stuff because I once walked into a friend's apartment, and the TV just turned off while his mother was watching it, and they found out that the TV, the stereo, the radio, and the kitchen were all blown.
By the way, that garbage can down the step reminds me of the group Stomp.
Anyway, hi, Whitley.
All right.
I recently read the key, and I have a comment and then a burning question.
Well, first the burning question.
I was kind of disturbed by this, and then I started, like you said, it brings you to question, and that's very good.
When he was talking about souls and energetic bodies and how they could be destroyed by atomic bombs, how they could be captured by unscrupulous entities and be captured forever.
And then I was starting to think, I was starting to freak out, but then I started thinking, well, but the energetic body is like the astral body.
Then there's supposed to be the causal bodies, the supercausal body, the spirit.
Isn't it sort of like on a computer where you have backup systems and then backup systems for those?
I can't think that the whole essence of that person, you know, all those people that were vaporized by those hydrogen bombs or that are captured by soul catchers, that it's forever.
It was one of the most disturbing things that he said.
He says the soul is part of nature.
That means to me that science can understand it and can include it in the meaning Of the world in some way.
I don't think that his pronouncements along these lines are necessarily literal truths.
I think they're meant to be provocative, to be difficult to swallow, and above all, to make us think about who and what we are and what we are doing in the world.
That's what I think is the answer to that question.
Young lady, might I ask you your overall opinion of the book?
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Well, I thought that he was kind of cagey too, like Linda Moltenhoff said.
Like sometimes he was vague, sometimes he was contradictory, sometimes he laid it right on the line.
He just kind of, sometimes he would answer like a politician who would answer, like you ask one question and his answer didn't seem to have anything to do with the question that Whitley would ask him, but in maybe a higher way it did.
And it also, here brings me to my comment, that, I mean, I think it's so neat that things like that happen to you, that, you know, these wise people kind of appear in the middle of the night.
But I think God also appears in kind of more mainstream ways.
There are self-realized teachers out there that also know people's nicknames and that luckily more of us can meet.
In my case, my teacher is Amichi.
And I'm glad that for the rest of us, you know, we don't have to have somebody come into our room at 3 o'clock in the morning, which would really freak me out.
But yeah, it disturbed me.
And yet, you know what, Whitley, it really made me feel like there was an urgency to my prayer life and to my spiritual discipline.
I mean, everybody I met the next day, I looked into their eyes and I said to myself, you are God.
It's obvious, I think, from hearing your reaction to it, that this is...
It's...
And there's not too many that you can point to and say, yeah, there's probably something substantial and something real about that voice.
That's not fiction.
And that is what I hope is communicated.
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Well, I tried it with adult size, too.
And, you know, most adults, they were just too much in their hurt.
But every once in a while, I would look at an adult and think, you are God, and something in them would recognize that and their face would just light up.
And also, the way we would see angels, because if an angel was pure and good, the angel's very presence would make you see yourself as you really were.
And that might be real hard.
It might not be all that much fun to be around an angel.
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In a moment, we'll begin another half hour with Whitley, and we'll reserve the final half hour this morning for open lines.
Anything you want to talk about will be fair games.
All right, once again, here's Whitley's Streeber, and a couple of really good questions just before the phones.
And is this?
George from Pennsylvania says, Whitley, wait a minute, that isn't George's question.
Let me get it straight here.
Do you think, Whitley, there is a connection, this is actually from Naples, Florida, in West Eagle, between your encounter with this individual and your earlier, very serious abduction experiences?
And, you know, the thing is, it's meant to, it's really, really a subtle thing.
I mean, there are people reading this.
Now, I'm not a hornshooter at all, but I have to tell you that it's affecting a lot of important people, this book, because they can see the depth of this.
This is not something some guy looked up at all.
It's contradictory.
It's got a lot of answers in it.
There's useful stuff in, and yet at the same time, it forces you to ask questions about yourself and about the world around you, about this man who's within here.
It's an interesting thing.
It's a very alive thing.
I think it's a beautiful thing myself.
I don't think it has anything to do with seeing this recording.
Because the one thing I really wanted to say was flat out, we're definitely in the quickening time.
Besides all the ecological time bombs and the other disasters with the global warming and everything else, I think the estimates that I've read at one point was we have about 50 years worth of oil left.
Now, the oil companies have been holding back on technologies because they want to pump every last bit of oil before they switch to something else.
But the problem with that is they might wait too long, and there won't be enough oil and fuel to run the machines to retool to the next technology.
I hope it's not a hoax because it really hasn't gotten over.
I'm thinking it's the preliminary phase in this new technology.
We have these personal anti-gravity something or other, like a scooter or a small time thing that doesn't really go very high or very fast, but it gets us used to the idea.
I used to watch a Jetsons when I was a kid, and I thought, oh, yeah, that's the future for me.
But, you know, of course, we wait and see.
It could be horses and buggies because if the technology breaks down, that's what we'll be back to.
He's got, I can't remember which of his books because I've read every single one, but one of his books has a character in them such as the gentleman you're speaking of.
And he never was really sure if the guy was an angel or what he was, but he had the same effect, and he taught him day after day, and they would meet.
And I'm sure there's many listeners out there that would know what name of which book it was, but I'm just not good on remembering the name of all of his million books.
But anyway, I, like Hugh Whitley, have had many, many high strangeness experiences in my life.
And just in the last three years, I started getting erased between my index finger and my middle finger after having had an x-ray for carpal tunnel where they make you bend your hand really straight with your fingers flat out on the table.
And it was after that x-ray, this ray started coming up, or it started bugging the dickens out of me, and I messed with it and messed with it until a really strange object finally did come out.
We never did get it all out.
Part of it is still in there.
And I never did go back to see if the x-rays showed anything on it or not.
But I wondered, did you see this object that you're talking about, the claw?
I'm on a cell phone, and right now I'm driving through downtown Dallas.
All right, excellent.
Anyway, Whitley, I want to mention something to you.
You said that a lot of the stuff, I think it was one caller that said, that said a lot of the stuff was just sort of like, I don't know, offhand, or you couldn't understand it, or some you could understand, and some you couldn't.
And in Art, you made reference to the fact that some of the stuff is probably or may not be scripturally correct.
One thing that was taught in the New Testament, Jesus said, and he spoke in a lot of parables.
And he also said that parables were not meant for the carnal mind to understand.
It was meant for the spiritual mind to understand.
And it's like until you get your, it's basically like this, until you get your mind right with God, you're not going to understand the stuff.
I mean, and then another thing too is, y'all mentioned that could it be from, you know, the bad side of the coin?
And one thing that's always said throughout theology is that there's an ongoing battle.
And until the very end, there's an ongoing battle between good and evil.
And like in any battle, evil's always going to camouflage itself to make itself look good so that it can influence the other side.
I mean, I'm not, you know, I noticed when you were talking about the fact of whether or not, you know, Whitley signed something, you know, every time I got Whitley's food.
And I wasn't making any reference to that.
But, I mean, it's something to think about in the effect that, you know, in any battle, the enemy is going to camouflage himself to make himself look like someone good.
So therefore, you take it in, you know, like who knows what a ghost is.
If a ghost comes to you as a passed-on relative, you know, and then tells you all kinds of stuff.
Do you take that as from God or do you take it as from the evil side dressing itself up to look like good?