Art Bell’s final Coast to Coast AM episode features Brad Steiger, the "grandfather of the paranormal," discussing Shadow World—a compilation of 149 haunting cases, including 61% of survey respondents encountering spirit entities. Steiger warns of Ouija risks, citing "astral masqueraders" and poltergeists tied to adolescent psychic energy, like virginal brides or teens causing beds to ignite. Callers share eerie visions: a spectral George W. Bush-like figure, a Clarity-named girl who vanished mid-Bible prophecy under a full moon, and a 16-year-old’s ghost repeating her suicide on a building roof. Steiger links these to spirit mimics or unresolved energy, urging caution while validating childhood sensitivity—often lost in adulthood—as a key to understanding the unseen. Bell’s retirement looms as the show pivots to time travel with Dr. David Anderson next. [Automatically generated summary]
I've always sat and watched the audience statistics of the size of this audience, and to think that there are millions of people that are hearing my voice at the same volume level of yours is quite an honor, actually.
People have no idea over the months and years, actually, now, how you have helped me, and you have helped me tremendously through some of the ordeal that I've been going through.
And I think about that a little bit, Craig, and then I think, you know, you're in charge of networks that not only carry my program, my little world, but that of Rush Limbaugh, that of Dr. Laura Schlesinger, and Mike Reagan, and on and on and on it goes.
Well, like you and probably a lot of your listeners, I have determined that sleep is weak.
And if you can find a way to take in a lot of protein during the day and sleep four hours a night, it's all right.
But we have experienced, I think, probably the best of times and the worst of times together in the last couple of years.
Yes, sir.
I never thought that that phrase would actually have real meaning to me until I started to really understand the world that you have lived in because you have experienced some great heights like the Marconi Award nomination and the kind of heartfelt gratitude I think you're seeing from your listeners the last four or five days and obviously the worst of times which I know you you kind of suffer by yourself off the air.
And I know that there are a great number of listeners and I can identify thousands of them that have emailed me or tried to be in touch with me via phone in the last four days alone.
And that's, as you say, just from your small corner of the world, which incidentally is not so small.
But I know on behalf of all of those folks, in light of the announcement that you made last Friday night, we are all really going to truly miss your inquisitiveness and your perspective and your guided tour of all those things that are unexplainable and maybe most of all, your laugh.
By the way, everybody should, you know, there's been a lot of speculation about why I made the announcement on what appeared to be April Fool's Day.
Well, it wasn't that so much as it was the first day of the last month that I was going to be on the air.
And I knew full well, you know, I'm not doing any interviews, as you well know, any at all.
And so I knew full well that if I did it late on Friday, I would have at least until tonight before the real siege began.
So it wasn't so much to do it on that day as it was to do it at the first of the month and the end of the weekday, in the beginning of the weekend, to give myself the maximum amount of time, press-free time as possible.
Well, and it also, by sheer coincidence, Friday nights is typically one of the largest listening nights of your broadcast week.
So while I know you've really been able to focus on yourself on Monday and Fridays and being with your audience Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, the fact that you could be on the air with us last Friday, in spite of the news, I think, was good.
And like you say, you could have the weekend to yourself to decompress a little after making such a very emotional announcement to so many people that I think kind of treat you like almost one of their best friends.
Well, I've learned how the press rooms of America run, and they're fully staffed during the week, and they kind of go down to a skeleton crew on the weekend.
So that was a reason for it.
It's the same reason that a lot of stock announcements are made right at the very end.
The number of times that I have smiled with pride over the course of the last couple of years of being associated with you and with Rush and Laura and Michael and others, whether or not it is a cab driver in New York City or a restaurant owner in Detroit or even the man who dry cleans some of my clothes, all it takes for them is one mention of Art Bell or Rush in some cases.
And it's a very flattering association.
And it's amazing the anecdotes and the stories that people like to tell me of a first-hand experience with you.
Well, you are too, obviously, with the 480 or so affiliates.
I did not realize how well your audience has become attuned to the Internet and the means of it as a communication vehicle.
I listened to you on Friday night, had a weekend with my family, and came to work on Monday, and saw thousands of emails, literally letters of support, of offering to help me help you, every anecdote in the world that might bring you back to a full-time position.
And then a lot of them that understood the gravity of your situation and does think that maybe it is time for you to be able to enjoy a little retirement and privacy in your own life.
Well, that's evidenced by the fact that my webmaster, Keith Rowland, zeroed out at the moment of my announcement the 60 million visitor figure we had accumulated over the last couple of years.
And since Friday night at 11 o'clock, we've now had 318,863 visitors.
Especially the, well, I know there are, you have very precious time left with this audience.
And, you know, we talk about the worst of times and the best of times, and if the worst of times for a lot of folks was hearing the reality that you really were going to retire at the end of this month, I think the best of times is really what you have really tried very hard over the last month to inspire all of us to do,
which is to pull ourselves up from the bootstraps and really dig deep into our minds and find somebody within the radio industry who has such a respect for the genre of programming, the type of program and conversations that Coast to Coast AM has had, that we can continue.
And I think while I have experienced, obviously, some very dark moments with you, I'm coming into a place where I see a lot of sunshine in terms of finding a successor, which obviously off the air you and I have spent a lot of time looking into.
The audience actually has no idea how dark some of those moments were, and again, I want to thank you for all of that.
But you're right.
To me, Craig, after having built this, this weirdness in the night, whatever it is that I do, more than anything else, I want the program, the genre of the program, to continue.
I don't want to see that go away.
People, I think, in my opinion, overemphasize my part in it.
The genre of the program is very, very important, and it's the only thing like it on the air of this size, certainly.
And so to me, it's important.
I want to see that continue, and from what I'm hearing, it shall.
Well, I will tell you that you are hearing my first-hand commitment to continue the tradition of Coast-to-Coast AM.
And you've done an excellent job without you realizing that of inspiring all of those around you to really dig deep and to find a host, which we hope to announce.
And I know that you're anxious to next week, early next week in your program, as your successor.
And while that individual will not be Art Bell, they can be somebody else.
And we can all judge ourselves how big of a part you have played in our lives.
And at the same time, take it to the next chapter.
And I think that tonight's show was still on without Johnny Carson, although we all had to get used to Day Leno's chin, and we'll have to get used to somebody else's sense of humor.
But you have my commitment, and I hope with my words to your audience tonight, that I will have their commitment in your tradition and in your name to carry on.
And we hope that you are tuned to a radio dial sometime in May, like a lot of us are.
Well, you know, a lot of us have a very secret ambition that upon the first week of your retirement, you actually fall into a deep, deep sleep, maybe for 40 hours or so, and wake up one morning at 8 a.m. and actually go through the course of the day until around 11.30 when you and Ramona watch, you know, the Tonight Show or David Letterman, and that, of course, is after listening to this program for an hour and a half.
And then you fall asleep at about five minutes after midnight until 8 a.m.
And it will happen here, and we'll make sure that it happens exclusively here first before it happens anyplace else.
And I think that we can have a very fast introduction and courting period.
And I know that you've been involved in this process.
And for those listeners who wonder what it is that you and I do and the hours that you're not talking to your listeners, we obviously all spend hours and hours thinking about what's most appealing.
And you've built up quite a legacy and quite a group of experts.
And I am hoping that you'll allow us to share in all that research as you know I will.
One of the great things that we've discovered in the last several months with your schedule and working around it is that there are some very, very fascinating hosts that bring a different perspective.
And if we can bring that on Saturday with one individual and on Sunday with another individual, the idea that there might be seven nights of exploration on the topics.
I mean, just even listening to you on Friday night talk about another glacier coming off of the Ross Shelf.
And people should understand that, you know, all of this has, I don't know, it's kind of been an ongoing thing.
I mean, lots of ideas were kicked around, but in the end, I think all the right ideas have been settled upon, and that is to keep the show exactly the way it is.
In fact, to actually expand the program.
And so I think we're doing the right thing, Craig.
And I'm so happy for the program.
And I'm so happy that the right decisions were made.
And I know you've been deeply involved in that process.
See, there's nothing that a visit to the dentist can't fix.
You have really contributed a great deal.
And I know I don't have a lot of time with your listeners tonight.
and I know that you have precious little time left this month.
I know that you have asked your listeners not to take too much of the open phone time and the wildcard line and some of the others to express their heartfelt gratitude.
And there are ways I know that they can do that through the website where I think that people can correspond with you.
I think we're working on something so that I can directly correspond with those who wish it and keep them updated on program changes and what's happening and all the rest of it.
And so that'll appear on the website, I don't know, probably in the next 24 hours.
And I know that over the course of the next four weeks or so, I'm sure you have just a watershed of conversations and topics that you'd like to spend all night exploring or all morning with your listeners.
And I promise on my end to minimize the number of goodbyes that we make and the wishing you wells because I think that you know and probably can feel our own rays of light coming your way and Ramona's way that our thoughts are with you and in a very positive way.
And Craig T. Kitchen, who is the CEO of Premier Radio Networks, which is part of...
It's part of Clear Channel.
Owned, I think, by Clear Channel.
I'm not sure these days who owns what, but it gets from here to there, and that's what counts.
He's my guest.
And we'll talk more about it in the future of Coast to Coast AM and my retirement and all that in a moment.
I am Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
don't touch that Well, you know, when I pick up the phone to interview somebody for a few hours in Hong Kong, I never thought a whole lot about it until just now.
I was at WABC Phil Boyce in New York, and he took me into Rush's studio.
And in Rush's studio, Craig, right next to his desk, there was this four-foot-tall, had to be four, maybe five-foot-tall, alien gray, sitting right there next to his desk.
You don't have to know anything about that, do you?
Known probably as the host of the fastest-growing radio program in the history of the radio industry by the virtue of her listeners and rapid ascent.
What people don't know is that she worked for more than 20 years in local radio in Los Angeles to hone her craft.
And the day that she went national art is probably the day that she developed a mentality of being very resolute about her thoughts and opinions so that she could go on and take the next call without taking the next couple of minutes to think back, did I just give the right advice or the wrong advice?
Well, what's it been like to go from virtually one radio station to this monolith, this incredible broadcasting corporation that is premiering Clear Channel?
What has it been like for you?
I mean, you've gone from sort of what must have been a fairly simple job by comparison to an extremely complex job now.
Yeah, there were several years ago I was associated with just one talk radio program in the name of Michael Reagan, and just through the process of acquisition and distribution, which means purchasing the distribution program like the Dr. Laura program.
It's a real weighty proposition because in some ways you're influencing what somebody may listen to 12 or 14 hours of the day.
You have to constantly think about what's entertaining, what would make people stop long enough to stay tuned to the radio, to sit in the car for 15 minutes in their driveway without getting out and walking into the house, making them go to the extent that they want to set an appointment with you.
You said 10 to 12 hours a day of programming, national programming, and that is an awesome amount of responsibility to all of America and, frankly, beyond this continent.
And I just, you know, a lot of people would say that's too much, that you're really doing too much.
And yet, I want to tell everybody in the audience that not one time, ever, not even once, has Premier told me what I can or can't say on the air.
Everybody imagines that because it's such a large monolith, that there's a control of the media.
It's a popular conspiracy type belief.
But the fact of the matter is, nobody has ever told me one time what to say on the air, not once.
And I'm certain that's true of the others as well.
There is something very magical that happens when you walk into your studio every night.
I think the day that I suggest to you what you might say or say to Rush what he might say or not or even suggest it is the day that second guessing goes on and others.
And in a lot of ways, I feel I work for you and I work for Rush and I work for Laura and others.
And it is certainly not the other way around because it truly takes a talent.
And I think most people, if they really sat down in a room, any room of their house, tonight at 1 a.m. in the morning if they're on the East Coast and just talked until 6 a.m., they would truly realize that's a lot of hard work.
What I just said is absolutely true about never having been told, a lot of people aren't going to believe it no matter what I say, but it is the truth.
On the other hand, I think of your position out there, wondering what we're going to say next.
Sitting out there going, oh, man, are we agging out there?
I have spent more than my fair share of time listening to you on the speaker end, just wondering how far you're going to take a conversation.
I remember you talking to two pilots that don't know each other one night over Illinois and wondering just how far you were going to take that conversation about what they witnessed flying over the state of Illinois.
And not that that was even subject matter that isn't worth exploring.
It obviously was because it was one of the most riveting nights recently on your program.
But you're right.
There's a lot of trust and confidence in our relationship.
Well, it must make for a lot of long days for you.
I remember working, Craig, for one station for 14 years, and the lady who ran it, with an iron fist, I might add, used to relate to me the terror that she would go through listening to her own radio station at night, wondering what kind of trouble she was going to get into.
And so talk radio is very, very different in programming and in the concerns versus music radio.
And I think that you have probably been one of the absolute pioneers of making us all think out of the box, which I guess is a politically correct phrase in the year 2000.
I have always wanted to spend a little time with you and your listeners as well, and now I can take the seat right next to Major Dames and Mr. Hoagland.
All right, that's Craig Kitchen, and I can't tell you folks over the period of time that all of this has been going on without dredging up those details.
Craig Kitchen has been by my side and has been a friend.
And despite what a lot of you think, as I said a little while ago, never once, ever, has anybody from that network told me what to say or what topics to cover or what not to cover.
As a matter of fact, as I said to Craig, were I in his position, I would be absolutely terrified on a nearly 24-hour basis that any one of us might say something that would cause all kinds of problems.
So it's kind of an interesting job to have to do to run a talk radio network, and that's what he does.
It's a terrifying job, I think.
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Coming up here in a moment, the grandfather of the paranormal.
I don't think that's an understatement.
He's grandfather anyway.
But he's certainly the grandfather of the paranormal.
His name is Brad Steiger.
He's been a friend for years and years.
He's coming up shortly.
I just, once again, want to note the sad, sad passing of Terence McKenna.
Terrence McKenna has passed away, and he went apparently in his sleep.
And a great man, a man who is my friend and I know known to many of you, is gone.
And so yet another one has gone.
Terrence McKenna.
coming up in a moment brad steiger and and by the way tonight we may because all of you have it We'll cover the new book that Brad has and some aspects of the paranormal.
But I think at some point, I'm going to open the phone lines for ghost stories from you with the virtual expert on this kind of thing in the world as far as I am concerned, Brad Steiger.
And so we may tell some ghost stories tonight and get Brad's reaction.
Because they have been nothing short of fabulous when you've told them.
So if you have one, prepare it.
We will get to that point, I think, tonight.
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would be fun Now, from the Kingdom of Night, more coast-to-coast A.M. with Art Bell.
And going to different houses and apartment houses and office buildings and so forth for over 45 years now, in Shadow World, I've collected what to me were some of the most baffling, intriguing, eerie, spooky, and yet somehow inspiring stories in many cases.
But I have come to the conclusion that whether we're talking about other dimensions, and I think we are, that the Shadow World, as I call it, is just at the edge of our world.
And we can cross into that world sometimes when we're in altered states, but sometimes for many people, when they least expect it, they suddenly have encountered something that previously was beyond their kin, beyond their definition, beyond their reality, beyond their world, and they have stepped into shadow world.
Now, the entities there, again, I think we have a mixed bag.
Now, some people have said, now, Brad, you're the one that you never categorize.
You say, as we do in the source, that, you know, it could all be one gray source, and it could.
Sure.
But just as, you know, we're one species on this planet, one human species, we have all kinds of ethnic groups and other divisions, nationalities.
So just as there are many kinds and reactions of personalities in our physical world, in this multi-dimensional paraphysical world, there indeed, I have certainly speculated in this book that there are different types and they react in different ways with different people.
I don't pretend that this is strictly scientific because these are people who have written to me or have responded when Sherry and I have given a seminar or whatever.
So again, these people are interested in the paranormal.
So I'm not trying to say that this is the man in the street.
Well, there again, I try to make it as general as possible.
Ghost, spirit entity, whatever you want to call it, but somehow spirit entity seems to be a more collective.
I again feel there is a difference between what I call a ghost and call a ghost in Shadow World and what we would call a spirit entity.
And just to delineate that for one minute here, a ghost, I feel, is most often a residue that's somehow left in an environment, somehow left in a house.
And then someone of the proper or more Receptive telepathic affinity enters that area and somehow picks up on it, just like seeing a real emotion picture film.
And they see a scene being enacted, or they see a person, a personality, and this is extremely common.
And I don't think that that has anything to do with survival of the spirit.
That's somehow an emotion is impressed in the environment in a way we don't understand and then is picked up.
And I think a lot of people have those experiences.
The Ouija board, again, I generally launch into a little polemic at this point.
If you feel, and I'm using the ubiquitous U here, if you feel that you have the proper discipline and training and you've studied, a Ouija board can be of use, but I definitely am against it with teenage girls at slumber parties doing it on Friday night type of thing.
I've been called in far too often by parents to work with hysterical young women.
At one time, a group of college girls came to see me in my office.
They had been playing with a Ouija board.
Now, they had, again, an intelligence that was giving them all sorts of data.
But so often then, we have so many what I call astral masqueraders out there.
And you find that too often it ends up with obscenity, it ends up with outright filth, it ends up with having them do ridiculous and suggestive things.
so you have to be very very careful using a Ouija board it is not It is.
And it is not that.
It is not a game.
It is something that must be dealt with.
When you start opening the doorway between our world and shadow world, you must be extremely cautious.
Well, is it possible that in a situation like that, or the one I spoke of, simple concentration, you can actually allow an entity of some kind, any kind, to enter this realm that otherwise would not enter?
And as I say, I've been called on the scene far too often with people who have been not judicious in opening up that doorway and have brought things into this environment, this physical world, that they can no longer handle.
And that very often expresses itself in poltergeistic manifestations, things being thrown about, things broken, and sometimes in temporary possession of one or more of the people doing the amateur experimentation.
This is where it gets a little hard, I guess, to explain and delineate, but people who have died, particularly those who have recently died, for example, Terrence McKenna, who just within the last hour has passed away, would possibly still have a very strong attachment to the ones around them, to loved ones, to unfinished business, to something or another.
Is that nothing but sort of a left echo, and you really are convinced that there's no or is there a short period of time there where there is a continued consciousness that's trying to get a message across of some kind?
Yeah, again, we can't be dogmatic in any of our answers, but at this point in my research, I have to give credence to the dozens of people who contact me, write to me every week with accounts of having made what they feel is verifiable contact with a loved one.
I think if you have even one other person, or preferably two, that are sensitive and balanced and so forth.
But no, no, that sort of experience, I guess for me, I didn't realize who I was seeing until many years later when I saw the, in a family album, that it would have been my great-grandparents that were coming to see me when I was a little boy.
And then I would first you know put the covers over my head and then look and they're still there and put the covers over my head and look and they're still there.
And then night after night when all they did was stand and smile at me, I thought, well, you know, what's to worry, you know?
Well, they weren't really smiling and when I saw a picture of them they were they were kind of stern and you know good hardy Scandinavian pioneer stock.
But I felt they were smiling at me.
I felt that there was benevolence and I and I guess I've always tried to maintain that positive attitude.
Now I've told the story on your program a number of times when I smart-mouthed that entity that knocked the door off and threw us up in the air.
Yeah, well that really caused me to reassess a lot of things at heart.
At that point, I was pretty smug and intellectual, and I had pretty much moved into intellectualizing and dismissing everything as misapprehensions or psychological aberrations of one sort or another.
I was going through a pretty judgmental phase of my life, and at that point, boy, that just opened up the whole vista of shadow world for me.
I've had a couple experiences like that, and it is again for me, you know, I'm at that time, I mean, I was really pumping iron, and you know, I'm 230 pounds, so if someone's going to lift me in the air, you know, it takes a little bit of effort.
Up off the floor you went, like the mountains high.
I'm Arn Bell.
This, of course, is Coast to Coast A.M. with a weird world of Brad Steiger.
We'll be right back.
Those stories lie ahead.
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All I want to love you promised and leave the hail of room.
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And, of course, the grandfather of the paranormal, Brad Steiger, is here, who once, in a place where there had been violent murders, decided to challenge an entity.
And for his trouble, he was lifted from the ground.
Something that gives me the chills just thinking about it.
We'll be right back.
Stay right where you are.
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Stay right where you are.
Now, from the Kingdom of Nye, more coast-to-coast A.M. with Art Bell.
Yeah, well, I tell the story at considerable length in our book, The Source, so I don't need to go into detail, probably, except the essence of, and the point I'm making is that in houses like that that become like repositories of evil and violence and extreme emotionality,
there could lurk what I call spirit parasites that will inhabit or take over the inhabitants if they are vulnerable, and certainly wear them down over a period of time.
And the people who lived in that house, You know, again, anonymously, but some of them were almost at the hysteric point because of the blood from the walls, you know, the appearance of malevolent entities and so forth.
So in this situation, I should have known better, certainly, and I, you know, there's no apologies for that.
But while I was in this one particular room with the medium getting impressions and so forth, the door kept trying to close.
And the point I have to make over and over is you had to push this door over a rough cement ridge.
It could not close by itself.
But this door was closing by itself, pushing over that ridge, which took considerable energy and force.
So I had two associates, well over 200 pounders, holding that door open so it didn't close on me.
And then I defiantly said, when I had finished my research in the room, I said, all right, if the damn thing wants it closed, close it and lock it.
Well, I should have known better.
We were barely up the stairs, and smash, we heard that door just splinter, the lock fly, and we heard something coming up the stairs that sounded, like I say, like King Kong or something.
And then it was not just I, you see, it was half a dozen other people that were lifted into the air at the same time.
And that was quite a demonstration.
It indicated to me that there was an intelligence involved.
An intelligence that could be insulted, an intelligence that could want revenge, or it would retaliate, or would, I'll show you, smart guy.
And that, as I say, really turned my research around at that point.
I had denied a lot of individual psychism that I had expressed as a child.
I had begun to rationalize that.
I had put everything into a very kind of materialistic, I was writing about it, I was writing, but I was doing it, and I can remember person after person at that point of my life, psychics, mediums, and so forth, they'd say to me, what do I have to do to convince you?
And I would say, well, you know, they would demonstrate something, and it would appear extraordinary, but I'd say, well, it could be this, it could be that, it could be, you know, and I drove people to distraction at that point.
That really forced me, okay, retain objectivity, retain certainly an intellectual approach, but also open up your mind that there are things that we cannot define, that we must be open to, and there are powers and principalities that are all around us and interacting on us and with us in ways that we cannot fully comprehend at this point.
Well, talking esoterically about lingering spirits that are not exactly the consciousness, the souls of the departed is one thing, but getting lifted off the ground is a different reality.
Well, again, I almost always said, well, it's a residue.
It's a spirit residue.
It's a memory.
I have revised that.
I mean, I'm open.
I have now been involved in too many cases where it certainly would appear to all clear-minded, clear-thinking.
I know people will laugh when I say that, some of them.
But people who will evaluate in a fair manner that there was contact made by this particular deceased individual because information was given that no one else would know, you know, like an allegedly lost insurance policy or other information that only that deceased person would know.
Now, again, one says, well, they picked it up through ESP.
Well, yes, yes, but it's ESP from an entity that is what we normally call dead.
Poltergeist, again, is, I think we have to look at it at least two ways.
An adolescent and most often a girl undergoing psychic upheaval.
This has also happened to young women on their honeymoons when they remain virginal and this requires then a psychological and physical adjustment to now sexual intercourse.
Poltergeistic phenomena has just burst around them.
I've got so many accounts of haunted honeymoons, I could write a book for that.
Especially the young man, you know, who for months, darling, I'm saving it for our wedding night.
And then the covers burst into flame and the walls and so forth.
So again, it has to do with psychokinetic energy on one level, nothing at all to do with entities.
But then also, if there Is a haunting residue involved.
The two can just create incredible chaos.
If you have a haunting situation and then you have a youngster entering puberty and all this psychokinetic energy bursting, wow, you can have, and I've been called by police departments around the country, you know, and they usually run their course in a week or so, but sometimes they maintain for several weeks.
In the SADA world, I have like a diary of a poltergeist where a woman is keeping a count each day of the manifestations and so forth.
I hear from, because obviously they're on the late shift and they're driving around in patrol cars, police have long, boring stretches interspersed with terrifying seconds.
And during those long, boring stretches, they get an opportunity to listen to this program.
And so I get a lot of feedback from law enforcement people.
They have had, Brad, I'm telling you, more experience with the paranormal than any group I could name.
Police officers have been one of my essential sources ever since I got into investigating the paranormal.
I have been brought to more haunting situations by police officers than anyone else.
They have encountered something that just simply was not in the police manual, and they were open enough and big enough to ask for help.
And just some extraordinary cases.
And as I tell the one story, of course, where I had been brought to a situation by a police officer who then at the last minute, who was going to be with me, but his duty changed, and he had to have someone else fit in who did not accept the paranormal, did not accept ghosts.
And again, the situation when the ghost, he had been giving me such a bad time.
And then when the ghost began to manifest and take form right in front of us, then my mischievous self got a little revenge because when the police officer kept saying, what's that?
But you see, as a writer, it doesn't bother me to figure something out in advance because I'm looking at the execution, the style, the dialogue, and so forth.
So, I mean, to me, it's like seeing a Shakespeare play again.
I mean, it doesn't spoil it for me that I've, you know, read Macbeth and seen it a dozen times.
I'm still excited about a good presentation of it.
I have done now over the years a whole bunch of shows that I have, for lack of a better name, just called Ghost Ghosts, Brad.
And during those programs, I have received some of the scariest, strangest, obviously true stories of the paranormal and of apparitions and ghosts as I've ever heard in my whole life.
I mean, just really serious stuff.
And I thought it might be fun one night, maybe this night, because you're such an expert in the area, to open up the lines specifically to those stories, just the way we do on Ghost to Ghost, and to get your comment on them.
Because normally I'm here and my jaw's dropping and I don't have the first inkling of what to say to people except holy smokes or something, its equivalent.
Well, I don't know what they are, but I find them the most fascinating and the eeriest.
I call them the in-between beings.
They look like us, they act like us, they pose as us, and then you find out they haven't been us all along.
People, until you've had this kind of experience, and I know there are some people out there because I hear from a lot, let's put it this way, Art, you decide one night, you and Ramona are going out for a cup of coffee in a place you've never been.
You go out for a drive way out there in the desert, and you see this quaint little restaurant.
You stop, you have some coffee.
There's some pretty neat people there.
They talk to you, and they chat with you.
And, you know, a month later, you say, Let's go back there.
Well, then, to have beings appear or call you on the phone or make arrangements, talk with you, and claim to be someone you know, but yet it's not quite that person.
For some reason, we don't, I mean, what is the agenda?
What is going on?
Is this for education?
Is this testing?
Is this evaluation?
Is it something we can't even guess at?
But I have several stories in the book about spirit mimics that I think are the eeriest that I've ever written.
And I would really be curious if people have those experiences.
I think it probably is available and in the stores and is available now.
But when you see that beautiful woman standing on the beach, there you kind of see the essence of Shadow World because as beautiful as she is and as beautiful as she is, gown is boring, you also notice if you look closely, you can see through her.
What I would like to do, let me instruct the audience now, is I would like to do the same thing that we do when we do ghost to ghost AM.
I would like those of you with really serious stories of the shadow world, ghost stories, stories of hauntings, stories of possession, those of you,
if you really do have a story, a serious story, those of you in law enforcement, those of you not in law enforcement, what with serious stories, I would like you to go ahead and come on ahead and tell them and then sort of get the opinion of one of the greatest experts we have on this sort of thing in this country, Brad Steiger.
Sounds interesting, doesn't it?
So that's what we're going to do next.
A kind of a modified ghost-to-ghost AM with my breast.
And with Brad Steiger and maybe sort of a portion of Ghost to Ghost AM, we're soliciting from you the stories that you have told so many times on Ghost to Ghost.
Maybe even some repeats of those.
And then the opinion of an expert.
We've got that, Brad Steiger.
His brand new book deals with this kind of thing.
It's called Shadow World.
You'll find it on Amazon.com.
It's just now available.
And then eventually, of course, in bookstores across America.
But Shadow World, you should definitely check out.
The man who's lived in it for so many years, Brad Seiger, is here.
And we're about to launch into a series of your stories.
I'm Art Bell.
Stay right where you are.
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Stay right where you are.
Now, from the Kingdom of Nigh, more Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
Also, you were mentioning the statistics that we had compiled with our questionnaire.
I found it fascinating that Dr. Jeffrey Levin, an associate professor at Eastern Virginia Medical School analyzed the National Sociological Survey conducted by the National Opinion Research Center, University of Chicago.
And in his opinion, art, his opinion based on his analysis of this nationwide sociological survey, two-thirds of Americans said that they had at least one mystical experience.
Now, interestingly, this seems to increase with each generation.
I mean, taking into consideration, you and I know that people are more prone to discuss it than ever before.
Sure.
Due to your marvelous program, and I like to think my marvelous books and other people, of course, who have been doing the same work in this field.
But he feels it is something that is happening with each generation.
He also said that mystical experience, now that includes, of course, hearing your father's voice after he's passed, seeing a ghost, and almost 40% in that national survey said they'd seen a ghost.
Now that is the national, that is the person on the street, 40%, 39.9.
But that's also apparitions of Mother Mary, saints, and so forth.
Now the interesting thing there is that it's happening more to unchurched people than church people.
If I'm a devout Catholic, for example, and I see a kind of a wispy, smoky, obvious apparition appear before me, I'm probably going to think it's a message from Mary or it's a sign from God or it's something to do with my deep faith.
If I'm not a Catholic, I'm probably going to think it's some sort of ghost.
If I'm not a believer at all, I'm probably going to think I didn't digest something properly and dismiss it.
When I was around 16 years old, my mother had purchased a dog for my sister and I at the local dog pounds.
It was a Chinese pug, which was about middle-aged, and those dogs are pretty susceptible to disease, and they just don't live very long, aren't they?
Well, anyway, I'd grown a very fond attachment to this dog over the years, and actually had done a cartoon strip on it in the local paper for a couple of years.
And anyway, one night I went to bed, this was a couple years after we'd got the dog, and the dog had always slept on the bed with me, down by my knees.
He would curl up.
And one night I recall just as I'd laid down, I felt I heard the dog actually coming across the floor and jump up on the bed.
And for a minute it startled me, and I asked myself, what was that?
And I replied to myself, oh, that's just the dog.
Well, I felt the dog curl up by my legs and between my knees and lay down.
And I thought, oh my God, that dog died about a month ago.
It just had startled me.
I, of course, had realized the dog was dead, but it was just such a familiar feeling.
Or recognizing dogmatically before animals don't have souls, animals don't have spirits, and now considering that the same God who put the breath into humans put the same breath of life into the animals.
I got to relate a story to you, and I'll try to do it as quickly as possible.
Approximately four years ago, within a period of 14 months, I lost every member of my family.
I had the great fortune of being a veteran, and it took such a toll that I lost my business and whatnot, so the Veterans Administration stood behind me.
They found that I was bipolar.
For those that don't know, maybe they understand it as manic depressive.
But in any case, they gave me a tremendous amount of drugs, prescription drugs, that they had to readjust, readjust, readjust.
And over this four-year period of time, something that I kept to myself because I was afraid of possibly being put away or whatnot, being bipolar, I only sleep about three or four hours a night.
And at the period that I wake up, I lay there with my eyes closed.
And I meet and see and talk to in very many different situations all the members of my family.
Now, this may sound strange.
It may not be a scary ghost story to some.
Maybe they think it's just psychosomatic.
But a couple of months ago, they decided to do a sleep study test at the University of Miami.
Yes, in conjunction with the Veterans Administration.
And they found that the REM sleep showed up, but only approximately an hour, maybe three and a half hours of actual sleep.
But keep in mind, it was on a camera at all times.
I had three and a half more hours, which when the minute I woke up and got out of bed, I started tape recording what was happening, which I've written down many times before.
And as I taped, they went through all of the electrodes and saw the action, but noticed that at no point was I asleep through that three-hour period of time, or three plus hours.
I would love to ask your illustrious guest, has he ever heard of anything quite like that?
That's really, my friend, the essence of Shadow World.
And I'm just fascinated by what you're sharing, and I really appreciate it.
What you're talking about is this extended reality that we all can attain.
Now, not everyone wants to, but it's obviously bringing you solace.
It's bringing you a sense of, we overuse the word closure, but it's really extending a reality that you choose to perpetuate that gives you strength and sustenance to go on with your life.
And I really appreciate your sharing that because this sort of thing is what many people do and talk about, but they weren't tested the way you were.
It wasn't recorded, but they make the same claims.
But I really appreciated his sharing that because that is, again, some research, some solid research that demonstrates exactly what we're talking about.
Well, if I were now, he said he was diagnosed bipolar.
But if you were seeing members of your family or departed ones and you told this to the average psychiatrist, you're going to come away with a definite diagnosis.
They could be next door, and I still wouldn't be near them.
Let's see.
Okay.
I just want to mention one thing to you.
There's something that you wondered about on the air.
And this is kind of spectral, but you asked one time why George W. Bush's face creeps you out.
Yep.
I noticed, well, no, he has mentioned it a couple times.
And this happened, I mean, I noticed the same thing before you mentioned it, but I know why.
I'm pretty good with caricatures.
And if you notice a university advertisement for Scream, Scream 2, those teenage movies, they use that spectral image, the hooded kind of ghostly figure with the melting kind of features, like holes for eyes and the mouth and the sky.
But anyway, but he has that same set in his features.
The mouth turns down on the ends.
Well, you know, like I say, that's what I know that creeps me out about his face.
It's almost like it's sucking in.
Well, I can't help it.
Like I say, I'm pretty good with caricature, so I picked up on it.
But here's the story.
All right.
Okay.
This happened in 1971.
And I and a whole station wagon full of other kids, we were going to a concert.
It was the Moody Blues.
It was that real terrific concert, real famous Moody Blues concert.
So, okay, it was basically a car full of hippie kids.
And everybody was completely lucid, especially me.
I've never done drugs in my life.
The only person who maybe wasn't was one of the girls, one of the sisters in the front seat.
Let's just say the have a nice day, sisters.
She was like choking and leaning out the car window because we were in traffic, All backed up.
So, this is a ghost, this is a scary story in a crowd.
Okay.
So, we're all sitting there, and none of the cars are moving, and she's kind of having a nice day.
And I'm sitting shotgun in the second seat, in the middle seat, and I just happened to glance over.
And there's a man who we would have considered him some older guy, like in his 20s, just a nondescript guy with sort of dark hair and a mustache in a little red sports car.
So, I know I just kind of glanced at him, but apparently almost everybody in the car must have glanced at him.
I don't know why.
And here's where it happens.
This is kind of short.
He looks at us, and out of his chest, about where his heart was, his hands were on the wheel, was a little orange ball of light.
It's a voice that maybe would sound like a cross between my mother and Sherry or a very pleasant woman's voice.
But you see, this has been happening since I was eight years old.
So, I mean, it's long before.
But again, these kinds of things, it's the same voice I hear that tells me, don't go into a room or don't take an airplane or whatever.
And again, you know, I realize when you fill out certain applications and it says, do you hear voices?
I mean, I want to put doesn't everybody, or, you know, it's a shame they don't.
I mean, again, achieving a balance with the mystical experience and not, you know, going off the deep end, not being an extremist.
We all have these abilities.
We have that inner voice.
We have that inner strength.
We have that inner direction.
And to me, I'm blessed in the regard, I suppose maybe the near-death experience when I was 11, where I have taken these things, not that I'm special, but that I'm blessed.
And these are, I feel, aspects, facets that we all have that we should learn to utilize.
If I'm a mystic, I'm a practical mystic.
And I think we all have the potential to be that.
My friend Sunbear, the late medicine priest, said, you know, if your medicine, their word for magic, if your medicine can't grow corn, I don't want to hear about it.
And that's been my approach, you know, that these gifts are for us to utilize with respect to the great spirit, the great mystery, God, whatever you prefer.
This is what it truly means to be human, is to utilize all the facets of our spirituality.
Brad, Terrence McKenna, who just passed away just literally hours ago, said, though he was full of hope and he thought he was going on, he said, I feel, just hours before he died, he said, I feel death is close.
And I wonder if most of us know or we are called or told or somehow know, kind of like a meet Joe Black kind of thing, or maybe a better than that, just a voice maybe or an inner knowing.
And again, we know that angelic beings are with us, but they may assume the appearance of a loved one to be reassuring or for you to identify.
One can not be dogmatic, but generally speaking, as we understand it, angels are a creation apart from us.
And we don't become angels when we die, but we can assume the role of a guide for a temporary time, or our image can be used by angelic beings to facilitate communication with those who are left behind.
And I'd like to present a little speculation to you and let you hear your take on it.
Please do.
From one figure that I heard several years ago, it's estimated that there have been probably something on the order of 20 billion people walk the face of the earth.
And, you know, since men first stood upright, if you want to count from that time.
You and I as individuals will probably see with our own eyes, as in passing in traffic, going to the store, probably no more than several hundreds of thousands of people in a lifetime.
But actual exchange on an emotional, personal level, such as you do with a family member or with a friend or with a close co-worker, you may do no more than actually several hundred of those in a lifetime.
For example, let me give you an example.
If you're driving down the highway, you will pass, if you're a commuter like many people are, you'll pass and see thousands of people in cars.
But if you have an accident with someone and you get out and you talk and you exchange and you have an interchange with them with some emotional context, then that person is differentiated from the other, the mass of people.
It is not therefore necessary that although we count 6 billion people on the face of the earth today, it is not really necessary that all 6 billion of those people be actually sold beings, such as you and I. Let's say that if you and I are having an exchange, let's say you came to my house and we sat down over drinks and we discussed something and laughed and joked about it.
We would know that you and I are both sold beings because we're having an exchange.
However, if you go to the Department of Motor Vehicles and have your license renewed, the person behind that counter may be pleasant, but they might as well be a well-programmed automaton because there's no soul-level exchange taking place.
And as a result, it's perhaps possible that there really aren't any more than perhaps as little as maybe tens of thousands of real souls on the face of the earth.
You present an interesting philosophical observation that doesn't.
I find it interesting.
It's not what I'm talking about with spirit mimics, because there's a definite exchange there, my friend, that seems designed, you know, whether it's to enlarge the universe or cause people to become more in tune to themselves or maybe just to scare the heck out of them, and I don't know.
And that in itself is a revelation, isn't it?
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But they need not be non-sentient beings.
They just don't necessarily have to be fully human beings.
Isn't it fascinating when we have a dream of walking in a crowded street and we see thousands or hundreds or whatever people all supplied by our dream machinery?
So again, it comes back, you know, when are we dreaming and when we're awake?
And do we have some of these experiences while we're in a semi-trance state?
There the psyche is free to rise above the normal limitations of time and space.
And I suspect that I read a statistic one time that, and I don't know how this was demonstrated, but it was fascinating, that whether it's watching telephone polls go by or whatever, how often we enter trance without really realizing it.
I was going out with a fella, and he owned a reclusive farmhouse.
And his ex-wife boarded her horses there when they separated.
And they were on friendly terms, so she would come to the farm.
But when I arrived, the first time I walked into the back porch, I was with his wife and, of course, the boyfriend.
And the first thing I said was, um, I know who's here.
I know the name of the ghost, everything.
I knew his background.
And he said, how could you?
we never mentioned it to you.
And I said, Well, I can't explain it.
I just know.
And she was telling me the mother-in-law had been pushed down quite a few flights of stairs, probably about 15 stairs, and they had to take her to the hospital.
She recovered.
But this ghost was quite mean.
But I just told him right off the bat that I wasn't going to take any nonsense from him.
And it turned out, I'm telling you, I had a relationship with Lewis.
Well, because I stood up to him and I knew he was there right away because he was the ghost that played a lot of nasty little tricks on everybody.
Like whenever we'd always have the gang from the city over at the farm, and the company would wake up and say all these nasty things happened, you know, like evil voices.
I was doing some farming, and I had a small hobby farm, and it was a wonderful time I spent there.
And, for example, when I did all my farm work and I would have a nap in the afternoon, he would tuck me in where the bedding would be at your foot, and I could just see it rolling out.
What I have said is that there have been a few times when I've come to this point where I start to feel this vibratory nastiness that frankly makes me nauseous.
I'm a control freak, and I don't like that kind of thing.
It makes me feel like I'm going to lose consciousness or lose control.
She was in high school, and she was rehearsing for, well, first off, she was in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, and her grandfather was in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
And it was a few months after he had died.
She was practicing for a play they were doing.
The play was Godspell, and it was being performed at A Church.
Anyway, she saw her grandfather on three separate occasions, twice during rehearsals, and then the third time for the actual show.
Now, her grandfather had said before he had died that he was looking forward to coming and seeing her perform be in this show because they had known months ahead that they were going to be putting on this show.
Anyway, the first time she saw him, I'm not exactly sure where she saw him at, but it was in the church.
And they exchanged words.
And basically, all she told me was that the words that he gave her was that he couldn't stay very long.
This was going to be a short visit.
And then they, oh, and each time that she saw him, he was accompanied by someone else.
And Christ, she said that the other person, which we perceived to be Christ, smiled at her and said, basically, you're right, my will will be done, but this will be the last time.
Well, to follow that up, she perceived, because he said, you know, that would be the last time, she thought, you know, she wouldn't have to worry about ghosts anymore.
Well, to drive that point home, a few years ago, she had a friend of hers that she worked with that, she claimed that she had a haunted house.
They were filled with friendly ghosts, and she really liked her ghosts.
I think what I make out of that, again, the power that was with her, the energy that was with her, sort of defused the energy of the spirits that were normally there.
And we went for a walk to the store, just a block down the road.
And we saw all these people gathered around the intersection.
And it's no street light, you know, just like a stop sign type area.
And here in the middle of the street, we saw two little white tennis shoes in a crosswalk.
And about 10 yards in front of it was something covered in a green blanket, and then something just in front of that was covered in like some black hefty bag material.
And this lady was struck in the crosswalk.
She had been long overdue in the neighborhood.
She was in her 80s and she had her little shopping cart there.
I'm having one of those out-of-the-body experiences like you are.
Anyways, so she was knocked out of her shoes, killed right in the parking lot.
And she was there for the longest time.
And, you know, normally I would think that somebody gets killed in the street.
The guy with the shock comes and outlines the body and they take her off.
But she was out there for a couple of hours.
So I was saying, man, with all these neighbors gawking around her, I'd be pissed off at them looking at me and out in the middle of the street.
There I am all over, you know, so to speak.
And I was saying to myself, if I was her ghost, you know, hovering over that crowd, I'd come back and fool with the street lights, you know, just to show my peak.
Next night, I took a walk over to the convenience store to get a beer.
Not like I'm a heavy drinker, mind you.
And these lights that I imagined just in that area, just this little grid section, were completely knocked out.
I said, what in David's name happened here?
So I went over to the Circle K, which is right next to where the lights and all this pizza place usually is lit up.
But just this little grid was out, and they were talking about it.
They said something messed up the timer for the lights and just in that little area.
I was reminded when the lady from Canada was saying about the mean ghost that played tricks on people.
Another Canadian, or she's Canadian now, Clarissa Bernhardt, has been a dear friend for many, many years.
And she told of the one place where she was staying where the spirit would give people a hot foot, literally burn the feet of people sleeping.
And it turned out to be a spirit of a Native American who resented that this home had been built on his tribal land.
So she, being Cherokee, was able to convince him that he was now in the shadow world, in the land of the grandfathers, grandmothers, and that now other people were occupying and explained the situation.
And she kind of developed a relationship, as this woman did.
But anyway, he stopped playing pranks, especially burning people's feet.
And again, people came to accept this spirit energy in a very positive way.
I just wanted to say I read somewhere about these street lights that they uh some cities will put them to where they go off occasionally individually and it saves like many thousands of dollars.
But anyway, I thought I'd throw that in.
And I also wanted to ask Art that song The Ghost and the Wishing Well who sings that?
I was living with my grandmother for a little while, and my grandfather had passed away about probably five years before this time.
And I had the same room my grandfather had passed away in.
He had a heart attack and died there.
And anyway, at night, occasionally, several different times this happened, I'd be laying there just about to go to sleep, and I'd feel like a weight on the corner of the bed, like somebody had just sat down there.
And of course, there wasn't anyone there.
But I could definitely feel a weight go down on the corner of the bed as if someone was sitting down.
And it was really weird.
I'd kind of look, but there wasn't anything there.
I could just feel it because, you know, it'd be dark in the room and everything, but you'd just feel this go down, you know.
And it was really strange.
And it turns out that's the actual corner of the bed that my grandfather used to always sit down on when he was taking off his shoes before he went to bed at night.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Brad Steiger and Art Bell.
Top of the morning to you.
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Top of the morning to you, sir.
And thank you so much, gentlemen, for yet another installment of Ghost Stories, which happened to be my third one with Mr. Bell.
In fact, a previous caller had mentioned Clarity.
and the gentleman who say a pro clarity home and uh...
this something that i've had many experiences in my life that one of What, the Denton, Texas experience?
Yes.
If you wish, I mean, no problem.
I wish.
Okay, well, and I tell you what, it's weird.
I always have to take a deep breath before I do this.
But what had happened was I just moved from Anchorage, Alaska, and I had a friend of mine here in Fort Worth, Texas invite me to a party.
And my mom had just left on a little trip, so it was kind of like my first time in her new car and kind of going to a party and all like that, and a little mailbonding.
But I meet this girl there, a very nice young lady who just gives me the name Clarity.
And she was about maybe 17 or 18 years old.
And we kind of parted ways after the party, and she said she needed to ride home.
And at the time, I thought, oh, no problem.
I'm thinking to myself, this is a positive experience here.
So we're heading back to Grapevine, Texas, which is, ironically, should be about a 30-minute drive.
And instead, it winds up to be about an hour and a half into it.
We start looking up and we start seeing signs for Oklahoma.
And at that point, I'm kind of thinking, well, this is not too good.
But she says, hey, I know this little town just off to the right here called Denton, Texas.
And I could, you know, I used to live there.
And, you know, I'm thinking, well, hey, a little familiar surrounding sounds very good at this point because it's about 3 a.m. in the morning.
So we arrive in Denton, Texas, and we're driving around.
And she goes, well, we need to go over to an apartment complex.
And we go over to the apartment complex.
And she goes, okay, I'm thinking to myself, oh, we're just going to go to a friend's house and make a phone call.
And anyways, she goes, well, first, let's go over this hill.
So we kind of go over the hill, and I'm looking across, and I see nothing but yet a graveyard sitting there.
And at this point, sir, you're thinking to yourself, well, it's 3 a.m. in the morning.
You've got a nice young lady, but we're going to the graveyard bit.
And I've never been much for that.
But she says, come on, let me show you a few things, my family's names in here like that.
But that part does interest me.
So to make a long story short, we're kind of like tooling around in the graveyard.
And I'm kind of, at this point, I'm starting to, how you say clarity is starting to come to me because the vodka is starting to wear off and all that.
And I'm starting to get in the eerie feeling.
And I'm looking up, and I've always been very much of an admirer of the full moon.
And it was just an absolutely gorgeous full moon that night.
And Art and I had talked about this before, the bloodstill Texas night, where literally just there is no sound whatsoever.
And I'm looking up in the air and I see the moon going.
And I'm thinking, boy, this is just really beautiful.
And suddenly out of nowhere, seven white birds, literally like doves, attached to each other, were floating, kind of like just almost in a wave.
And they're just lightly floating up towards the moon.
And I'm thinking, boy, this is just truly beautiful.
And all of a sudden from the back of, I'm just kind of standing all of a sudden in the back of me.
I hear the girl that I was with start quoting Bible prophecy about the return of the seven birds on the very still night.
And I'm starting to get this just sensation running down my spine as she's quoting this Bible prophecy.
And suddenly, at the moment her voice kind of trails off and she finishes the prophecy, I just kind of like, okay, snap out of it.
I'll turn around and she's gone.
I'm like, okay, not good.
You know, 3.30 in the morning, prophecy kind of run in a bit of a chill.
So I make a hard-target search.
I look around, no sign of her.
And like I mentioned to Art earlier, I said, you know, it looks kind of strange.
You know, 3:30 in the morning, I'm standing on a hill in Texas screaming for clarity.
So at that point, I basically go looking for a map, at least find a way home.
One thing I've always been is very inquisitive and kind of hasty.
I want to follow up on things.
I went back to that same spot two years later.
And what inspired it was one of the gates to the actual entrance to the graveyard had two huge, humongous stone pillars.
Well, one of them was knocked over.
And what kind of gave me the biggest chill was before we had the birds experience, she had said that her truck had knocked that big pillar over.
And I'm thinking, well, maybe a wild night in Texas and kind of damaged the truck.
But she never went into anything farther.
I went back two years later, went to a Texas go down the street, talked to a gentleman there who was behind the counter.
And I'm saying, sir, I'd met a girl here and I'd returned her, and she basically just ran off in the graveyard.
Her name was Clarity.
And he goes, well, sir, nobody ever goes by that graveyard ever since the girl died.
And I'm like, well, what do you mean die?
She goes, well, he goes, hey, they were having, I guess it was graduation night or something like that.
They were having a wild party.
They took the truck over the hill and wind up smashing into the pillar, wound up killing the driver, which was the young girl.
And since then, you know, they've never really, nobody's ever been by there.
And I'm almost thinking, maybe I returned her back home.
And that was truly a, that was, that was always something that truly gave me a chill.
And I apologize, but it definitely kind of gives me a chill thinking about it right now.
It truly does.
And then to make another long story short, the reason why I called was I had become a hotel manager about 10 years later.
And I had an experience where we had about a four-story hotel.
We were building it, putting it together and all that.
And for some reason, sir, I'm never one to walk on top of roofs or get on top of high buildings or anything.
But one night I'm all alone by myself.
There's maybe five people in the hotel.
And my maintenance guy just showed me the entrance to the roof.
So I'm thinking, well, curiosity kills the cat.
I go up on the roof and I'm kind of walking around just kind of seeing what's up there.
And suddenly out of the corner of my eye, I catch what looks like somebody standing on the corner.
And I'm like, no, this can't be.
I walk around the corner.
There's this young lady standing there, just standing right on the very corner of the building.
It's probably by a four-story building.
And I'm like, what's going on here?
Ma'am, can I help you?
She's just standing there.
And I literally walk up to her and she turns around.
She goes, don't come any closer.
And I go, what?
What are you doing?
And she's about 16 years old.
She goes, she goes, she went into the whole spiel about the parents not understanding her.
She's having trouble and like that.
And I said, you know, look, I did the whole, please, there's more to life than you can possibly, you know, please do this like that.
She turns around.
I lunge at her, grab her by the, she's wearing this long Winnie the Pooh night shirt.
Grab her by the Winnie the Pooh night shirt as she's starting to tumble over.
Grab her.
She's only maybe, she feels like maybe 70 pounds at that.
And then at that point, I grab her, go running back down towards the entrance to get downstairs, go downstairs, and as I'm running through the hall with this girl in my hand, I'm thinking to myself, who is this woman that I just grabbed off the roof?
A door opens up.
A woman steps out.
She goes, and she goes, my God, what are you doing with my daughter?
And I said, ma'am, your daughter was just standing on the roof, wanting to jump off the roof.
I go to return her daughter.
She walks back in there.
I'm thinking, okay, this is fine.
I said, ma'am, you really need to get your daughter some help.
This is truly something you need to look into.
Okay, something along.
Everything's taken care of.
The next morning, I go to check my register and all of that.
I've got nobody in the hotel.
They're all businessmen.
So I go start doing the door-to-door thing.
I knock on this guy's door.
He answers the door, and he looks at me and he goes, what are you talking about?
I said, sir, I just returned.
I saw this woman, and she came running out of your door.
Your daughter was standing on the roof.
I'm sure I sounded like a blithering idiot.
He goes, what are you talking about?
He goes, my wife and daughter died several years ago.
I go, no, sir, no.
I'm saying that your daughter was standing on my roof, and your wife came out, and she said that it was her daughter.
And I'm like, going, wait a minute, I'm starting to have a moment here.
He goes, son, he goes, this is the third time this has happened.
He says, I don't know, for some reason, this is it.
He says, somebody comes up running up there.
They find my daughter on the roof.
He goes, son, he says, they died like five years ago.
He says, I don't know why, did they just keep coming back?
And I'm like, oh, my God.
I don't know why, but I just keep getting involved in these little moments.
If you pick up a copy of Shadow World, you see several stories very similar to the one you told.
In Chicago, there's one called Resurrection Mary.
And again, people swear they meet her at a dance, they dance, they take her home, and it ends up, you know, the cemetery.
This is called the Phantom Hitchhiker in the urban legends.
But there are enough people who swear they've actually had these experiences, and they have minute detail the way you've described it.
So again, whether these are spirit mimics, whether these are entities that are repeating the same pattern, whether the husband retained this memory and projected it, and you somehow, because of your sensitivity, interacted with it, you know, we could theorize, but these experiences are real and they do happen to people.
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And I do thank you guys, gentlemen, so much for providing a format for this because, you know, these are things that a lot of people, I think, as you said, we all have it as a child, but we somehow lose it as an adult.
So anyway, I had an experience Several years ago, it was in 94, and I don't know if I'm even allowed to talk about this.
I was having sex, and this is crazy.
It was, it happened, actually, earlier in the evening, I was coming home with my boyfriend, and the rainstorm was about to happen, a heavy thunderstorm.
Brad Steiger is here, kind of the grandfather of the paranormal, and we're letting you tell stories this morning and then just sort of commenting on them.
Maybe material for yet another book.
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Yeah, I don't think we'll be able to interact, but I think it happens.
There's so many stories that have been told to me by very serious, responsible people, where I have no doubt that they have either seen a restored statement of the past, or they have entered what we think of as the past.
But there's not an interaction.
It's as if they're observing a movie, seeing something happen once again.
But I think it happens in altered states of consciousness.
And we've sent people back under hypnosis, and we've got some astonishing results that way.
It's going to be 19 years this August, and I thought maybe Mr. Steiner could shed some light on it for me.
Oh, this is Deb in Ocean Beach.
Anyway, I moved into a beach house not far from where I live now back in March of 81, and I lived there with my boyfriend and my daughter, and that summer my daughter went back to visit her father for divorce.
And my boyfriend went back, used to visit his family, so I was there alone for a whole month.
And during that month, I'll never forget this.
It was the summer I turned 25, and I'd gone to bed early because I had a paper route I had to get up for about 2 a.m.
So I'd gone to bed, and I had fully clothed, on my water bed, I remember falling asleep on my back.
And I was awakened, I can't remember now, it must have been around 11 or 12 that night.
I was awakened by the sound of heavy breathing in my left ear.
I remember my head was kind of turned to the right.
And I was waking up, and as I'm awakening, and I was breathing, I felt this crushing sensation in my entire body.
It's like this huge weight from my entire length of my body.
And I started to open my eyes, and I only got them about halfway open when I saw, and I'm telling you this is not a dream, I was awake, and I saw this, and what I grasped at that moment, as terror was beginning to rip through me, and it all happened so quickly.
It was like, God, it was the body of a man with the head of a jackal.
And all I can remember thinking, just right in these fleeting seconds, was, my God, whatever is happening here, this thing is trying to mate with me.
And I remember closing my eyes.
And I don't know why I didn't just faint dead away or have a heart attack right then and there, but I closed my eyes.
And the very moment I closed my eyes, I saw blue skies with clouds on them.
And I should mention, I lost my father when I was 13.
We were getting very close.
And he had a massive coronary two months after he turned 50.
So I didn't have him, and I never had any kind of visitation or anything from my father.
Just missed him and grieved very deeply.
So as I closed my eyes, and I saw the sky, and I saw his World War II helmet rolling in the sky on this cloud towards me very rapidly, and suddenly it stopped right in front of me and taped inside of it, as he used to tell me when I was a little girl.
He had a bookmarker with the 23rd Psalm on it.
And I was never a really religious person, so I didn't memorize any of the Psalms or anything.
And I was like reading it.
It was right in front of me, and I was mouthing it.
And when I got to like the third sentence, the part that I absolutely did not know, I swear to you, I did not know other than the Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.
I got to the part that I didn't know, and suddenly, with the greatest force, this thing just backed away from me.
I mean, it flew out to the right-hand corner ceiling of my bedroom, and it just exited with such force that I was just like laying in my water bed with just jolting.
And I remember never moving, just feeling this.
And then as soon as this thing was like gone, second, a second, I curled in the fetal position, just terrified, completely terrified.
And I had to call a friend.
In about a couple of minutes, I just sat up and I called a friend and told him what had just happened.
And he said, why don't you get over here right away and we'll just have some coffee and we'll talk.
No, not really her father, but the symbol, the emblem of her.
And again, the World War II helmet.
Put on the helmet of righteousness.
Put on the armor of righteousness.
Again, that was the symbol that banished that.
In Shadow World, I have a number of exercises, prayers, how to cleanse your house for renewed strength and energy and so forth for people who find themselves in that kind of position.
I learned in a negative way that I hope, even though it scared you a little bit, I think there was a positive result.
We're talking, we're sharing, we've made connection.
I think that's wonderful.
I was working on a poltergeist case that I thought was solved.
It came back, and it followed the electrical.
This was, you know, it was over 15, almost 2,000 miles away from me, but it came into my office through the telephone line and cracked my wall, threw books off the shelf, and so forth.
So doesn't it make sense that the shadow world, the entities on the other side, would use the electrical medium, media, to communicate?
And your computer, you said your computer clicked.
I just have one comment, and then I'll get to my quick story, Art.
The comment is, you haven't had a spiritual leader on in a while.
I remember maybe about a year ago you had Chief Arbal Looking Horse on.
Yes.
If you have any slots still available and you feel like trying to work it up, I would suggest a fellow named Yogi Bajan, who is in Española, New Mexico.
He's the leader of Kundaliti Yoga and the Sikh Dharma of the whole Western Hemisphere.
I think he'd have a lot of cool comments on a lot of this stuff.
And it's funny, it's fortuitous that you would have played SOS for MABA coming back into this segment because this is a Save Me story.
Where I grew up out here in the northern Finger Lakes in upstate New York, there's a lot of swampy areas that are very foreboding and it's hard to get in.
Well, I was sitting maybe 100 feet off the road out in this area.
I don't know why I chose this area because from early childhood on, I've always been terrified to drive through this one area.
It's just one of those places where you don't want to look to either side of the road for fear of what you might see.
Well, I was just choosing to sit and thinking of getting high on a beautiful spring morning.
And before I had really started my festivities, and I wasn't one to do hallucinogens or anything like that, and I hadn't really seen hallucinations or like that, as I was getting ready to get high, I just started sobbing, realizing it's a beautiful day, and yet I'm totally miserable.
And in my tears and in my crying, I just remembered saying, I can't do this alone.
And all of a sudden, my ears got plugged up, like when you're getting over a cold or something.
So I'm trying to pop my ears and, you know, hear better when I realize I can hear nothing but wind in the trees.
But I can hear that perfectly clear.
And then something happened.
I don't know if it came in my ears or out of my ears or what, but I heard, Michael, I am here for you.
And I was so incredibly ecstatic that I got thoroughly trashed.
And went home and slept that off.
And a little bit later on in the day, I had kind of forgotten about it.
And I thought I would proceed to do what addicts do and change my mood again.
And before I had the chance to do that, the sounds of the day, the people in the household, whatnot, faded away.
And I heard the wind in the trees again clearly.
And I remembered and just kind of went.
Trees swaying in the summer leaves, showing off their silver leaves as we walk by kisses on a summer day.
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And there's, fortunately, I haven't gotten it apart, so there's no parts left over.
But I haven't been able to do that.
And that experience opened an incredible door for me in my life.
I was raised Roman Catholic, a very devout family, and even my elderly mother, who's in her, well, I won't say elderly, she's in her 70s, a young 70s.
She's had to just concede that whatever experience that was in my life, be it God or what, has made positive changes in my life, and she no longer hounds me about going to church her way.
But the thing that is really amazing to me is I'm still incredibly terrified when I go through that place.
I mean, the energy there just does not feel positive.
Some of my Native American friends, they're Seneca's and whatnot in the area here, the Iroquois.
They speak of areas like that.
They give you increased energy to run through the area.
That's like a good thing to do.
Places that are good to be are the places that tend to make us rest and relax.
And so I'd be curious about comments, about that whole interaction.
I mean, I don't feel you would think I would almost want to visit the place like a shrine, but yet when I go through, I'm still terrified.
Like, I don't want to see what's out there, and yet my life has changed in a wonderful way.
And again, depending upon your own cosmology, someone would have said, oh, tell me more about the past life.
Now, again, there's nothing wrong with that, depending upon your worldview and your cosmology.
It's best not to, though.
It's best to let the child, if the memory comes, I mean, again, it's complicated enough living one life at a time.
If it's necessary for the child to remember a past life or to complete a lesson unlearned, to complete some work left undone, then it will happen.
But let it happen in a natural way.
In terms of seeing angels, in terms of seeing entities, yes, definitely.
Children, before they learn, they're not supposed to.
You know, they will see them.
And, you know, it happened to me when I went to school, and I realized, you know, the other kids weren't seeing the other people in the room, and I just learned to be quiet about it.
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Well, even now, she really is interested in ghosts and spirits and all that kind of stuff, and she's upset that she has never experienced anything.
Oh, well, that's, again, my book, Returning from the Light.
I mean, filled with accounts like that, where very often then the child progresses.
I mean, oh, I mean, I've heard from people, you know, where the child has gone to, they're in a strange town, and the child suddenly looks at someone and said, you know, you murdered me, and I remember, and I'm going to, you know, and the parents are totally stunned.
They do some research, and the kid says, I'm so-and-so, and I was your partner.
And, I mean, here again, they find the newspaper accounts.
There was a person, that man that he just accused was one of the suspects and never brought to justice.
What's going on here?
I mean, and again, depending on the parent, how they react to that, is it then momentary possession?
Is it turning into the great cosmic consciousness?
Yeah, just as kind of like a summer job, like weed eating and that kind of thing.
So a lot of weird things happened there on and off, just little things here and there, nothing I'm going to tell you.
But I was talking to one of the guys that used to work there, and he was saying how he wanted to know if I wanted to go over to Wattis, Mexico, and go drink.
And so I walked back over and she's not there anymore.
Obviously, she's not there.
And I looked around and I don't see her in the bar.
And there's some bathrooms that go to the back.
And I go back there and asked the girl that was coming out.
I asked her if she had seen a tall blonde or anything.
And she said, no, I haven't seen anybody.
And then that was it.
You know, I just didn't see her anymore.
And I walked back over there to my friends.
I asked them, did you see where she went?
And they go, no, you know, they were just, they weren't paying attention.
And I said, well, I guess she ditched me.
You know, I was thinking, well, maybe she ditched me.
But then I, you know, I had worked at that graveyard for about six months, and when I went, maybe about three weeks later, I thought I saw her walking across the graveyard.
Right.
And that was it.
You know, and then I thought that would be enough.
Yeah, and then I ended up leaving because it just was freaking me out.