John Myler, a Christian computer security expert at Fresno Air National Guard, argues in Aliens in the Bible that biblical "hosts of heaven" and Genesis 6 reference extraterrestrial life, linking UFO sightings—like the 20 yellow lights over Calgary or Arkansas’s slow-moving fireball—to end-times prophecies. He warns against Ouija boards and astral projection, citing demonic risks, while dismissing reincarnation as unscriptural, attributing past-life memories to possession or psychic deception. Callers tie near-Earth asteroids (e.g., Apollo objects) to Revelation’s timeline, though calendar shifts complicate predictions, and Star Walker shares a rare case of exorcism via shamanism after seven years of possession by a "Christian religious spirit." Myler’s blend of biblical literalism and UFO theory suggests supernatural forces—both divine and malevolent—are reshaping reality, urging caution in interpreting unexplained phenomena. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high deserts in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning.
Actually, stretching from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands in the west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south all the way to McMurdo Station in the Antarctic, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
This is Costa Coast a.m.
Good morning.
Boy, do I have an unusual event for you.
You know the gigantic iceberg?
Well, it calved, which means it broke off.
So if you didn't see the photo yesterday, you're going to want to see it now.
The iceberg, here it is, an iceberg about twice the size of Delaware has broken off from the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica and could drift into shipping lanes around the South Polar region.
Get this, folks.
The elongated iceberg detected by satellites measures 183 miles by 22 miles and is among the largest ever observed, according to the National Science Foundation.
Scientists estimate the iceberg surface area is about 4,247 square miles compared to Delaware at 1,932 square miles.
Holy moly.
And now I get this email from, guess where?
McMurdo Station in the Antarctic.
I couldn't believe it.
It says, hi, Art.
Now you can say you're heard all the way to Antarctica.
I don't get to listen often, but when I get the chance, it's nice to hear live radio.
I've listened since my days in Mount Chesta when the Reno station, that would be KOH, was the only one I could get in.
Maybe someday I'll get around to calling and saying hi.
And of course, the return address is McMurdo.gov and McMurdo Station in the Antarctic.
And guess what, folks?
I said, yeah, call.
Do it before the show, and we'll see if we can get you on.
And so this, I believe, is a commercial first coming up here in a moment, if we can do it.
I've got Mike at McMurdo on the line down in the Antarctic.
You ought to see the new photos on my website, by the way.
We've got the links up of the break of this incredible iceberg.
It's really an amazing photograph, an amazing occurrence.
In a moment, if we're lucky, Mike from Antarctica, specifically McMurdo Station.
Stay right there.
Well, all right, if we can do this, it's going to be a commercial radio first, I do believe.
Ladies and gentlemen, here, let's give it a try.
We're going all the way to Antarctica, to McMurdo Station at Antarctica.
What kind of food does somebody who is at McMurdo for the duration generally eat?
Do you guys eat well?
unidentified
We do.
I must say that the staff is really talented, and because folks are working really hard in some really extreme conditions, they're pretty well taken care of.
It runs the gamut.
If you can think of it, we've probably made it at some point for these folks.
Okay, it's to the west of you, almost directly to the west of you.
And you told me before we went on the air, somehow you got through on one of my 800 lines.
I sat here thinking the international line, and that's what I sent.
And then I thought, oh, God, maybe he won't get through on the international line.
And then I started to try to think whether you were east or west of the Rockies.
And I couldn't figure that out.
So I didn't know what to say.
unidentified
Well, the most direct route would be west.
If you were to fly from the west coast to New Zealand, which is what those of us at McMurdo have done, they bring us in through Christchurch, where we're issued all of our cold weather gear and get a little bit of cold weather information.
And then it's about 2,400 nautical miles southeast from New Zealand to McMurdo.
Well, I was going to ask that question a little further downline.
unidentified
At the end of February, the last of the summer folks left, and a few of us went outside to wave at the plane as it went by, and there will be nothing coming this way until August.
So it's a matter of you use your smarts, and you stay safe till then, because things can happen very quickly here.
The conditions are very extreme.
And if you get a little careless, if you try to break some of the rules that they have in place for your safety, death is a real possibility.
People have died here, and yeah, there's nowhere to go until August.
All right, let's get to the how come you're not crazy part.
I mean, going down there to a place where you can't come back, there is no plane, there is no train, there is nothing.
You're just playing there, as you say, until August.
Why would a person choose to do that, Mike?
unidentified
Well, I think everybody has his own reasons.
But what I've noticed of the folks that I've met down here, most places I've lived, I've been kind of the oddball, you know, the one that likes to see everything and do everything.
And what you find down here is all of those people from all over show up here because it's just one of those very special places.
It's one of the most beautiful places you could ever imagine.
It's very, very rare to get a chance To come to a place like this.
And we're all very honored at the fact that we were chosen in our various fields to be a part of the U.S. Antarctic program.
Of course.
And to get to come to this place where very few people that have ever been on the planet have gotten to come.
And the open water, what we call the ice edge, is where the open water meets the ice, is a very fluid thing.
And this time of year, as the ocean is beginning to refreeze, and I'll tell you, that's something to watch is when one day you look outside and the ocean's liquid, and the next day you look outside and it's solid.
Well, you know, of course, or I'm sure you know because you sent me some of the links that a big part of you, or the Ross Ice Shelf, I mean a really big part, just actually last night they were showing us satellite pictures of the crack, you know, the fissure.
And then today I got on the net and bingo, this gigantic piece, 183 miles by 22 miles, broke off from the Ross Ice Shelf.
Is that right?
unidentified
Yeah, it's about the size of Connecticut, they told me.
But again, if you had to travel, Mike, had to travel, what kind of vehicle would they use to travel?
unidentified
Well, we have all kinds of things.
I may be a very fortunate person indeed.
If the weather clears up by this weekend, I might get to take a snowmobile trip up to Mount Erebus, which is a volcano which shares the island with us.
Another thing that we have all been wondering, and there may not be an answer for it, you're at the bottom of the world, and the satellites that would allow communications are geosynchronous at the equator.
And so I can't imagine how you're talking to me, Mike.
unidentified
Well, I don't understand it myself.
I mentioned in my email that in terms of some of the technical parts about the whole situation down here, I'm fairly ignorant.
I show up, I make some good food, and go home most days.
I try to learn what I can, but things like satellite placement are a bit beyond my scope.
And one time I had the pleasure of sitting there and talking to somebody at the North Pole, actually at the North Pole, and down there at Antarctica at the same time.
And you know what we were doing?
We were swapping t-shirts.
I believe it.
Does the little store that you have there have T-shirts?
unidentified
They do indeed.
That's probably one of their top selling items.
We all have family and friends back home.
And I think if any of us were to come home without gifts, we might think Antarctica was warm compared to the reception we'd receive.
All right, now, this iceberg, again, it's big news worldwide right now.
And I'm reading in the Associated Press copy of the story that calving of the iceberg has moved the boundary of the Ross Ice Shelf southward about 25 miles.
unidentified
Right, in that one location.
And if you look at a globe or a map, what always amazes me is I've actually spent the night camping out on the ice shelf as part of some field training that I did.
And, yeah, it's, like I said before, there's so many things here that you can do that there's just nowhere else in the world you camp out on 300 feet thick ice.
So I love looking at maps.
And when you see just how huge the ice shelf is, it's a big piece of ice.
I have no idea what it compares to in terms of states or whatever.
But if you look at a map, that half of the area, that little inlet of the Ross Sea, is frozen solid all the time.
And that's a lot of ice.
So in that one corner, the edge moved down about 25 miles, I suppose.
But it's something that in terms of how much ice there is, I don't know, as a percentage of the total ice In the shelf, I would think that would register as kind of small, although it is a significant event because it's one of the largest ever seen, and things that big tend to get in the way sometimes.
Since you guys have a lot of time on your hands generally down there, do you ever wonder what might be down 300 feet?
In other words, you've got 300 feet of ice, and going back through the ages, say 200 or 250 feet down, I wonder what might be there?
unidentified
Well, that is part of some of the research going on, as I understand it.
They do the drilling of the ice cores.
There's some camps.
I know there's a multinational group that drills ice cores in several locations, and they pack them carefully in cases and keep them frozen, and then they, at various levels, check and see what was going on in the atmosphere and at the surface, because the water and the snow that was falling at the time will reflect what particulates were around at the time.
So that's part of what's going on down here, is looking back like that to see what exactly has been going on.
Mike, from about now, you said until August, shortly, nobody will come, nobody will go because they cannot.
And so you all are locked in together.
Do you all ever get on each other's nerves?
unidentified
Yes.
It hasn't happened so much that I've seen yet this season.
We've been together a month and a half, locked in, as it were.
But I did arrive during the period known as WindFly, the winter fly-in, where it's not officially the main body where everybody is flying in and everything's happening fast.
It's more like the end of the winter when the first folks come in to start getting ready for the big onslaught.
And when I got here in August, they warned us at our orientation, just stay out of people's way and be really nice because the stresses of 24 hours of darkness and a great deal of time with a limited population are strong enough.
And then when you drop a fresh batch of eager people right in the middle of those, the situation can flare.
But they choose carefully, and they choose people that are mature and responsible enough to conduct themselves in appropriate manners.
And most of the people that I've met down here are pretty adventuresome, fun people.
And they've learned in whatever it is they've done before that, you know, you just, if you're feeling a little stressed and you need to stay away from people, then you just stay away from people.
When you told your mom and dad, listen, I'm going to go be a chef at McMurdo Station in Antarctica, what did they say to you?
unidentified
Well, I think mom's face pretty much went blank.
I think my family is somewhat used to it.
I think Antarctica was a bit of a surprise.
I haven't really told anybody since I was about eight or nine years old, I had wanted to come to Antarctica.
And I, you know, through friends and friends and friends, I heard about a chance of maybe going there and working.
So I thought, great.
And I kind of kept it on a back burner.
But about two years ago at Christmas, I mentioned that hopefully this time next year I'll be in Antarctica.
And people were a little surprised.
But I think they've stopped being surprised.
I'm the sort that, you know, I was living and working in Washington, D.C. and, you know, changed careers and moved to Santa Fe, New Mexico to become a chef.
And then moved to Mount Shasta to try something a little different.
And then, you know, they've realized that if there's something I really want to do, I'm probably going to pursue it.
Well, how does one go about getting a job down there?
I mean, is it like you pick up the newspaper near Mount Shasta and it says, job opening, rare opportunity, come south?
unidentified
Well, actually, no.
Although in the Denver area, it was advertised a little more heavily in the newspapers.
The civilians here, actually everybody here now is civilian.
They work for a government contractor who advertised in a Denver area.
I just happened to have a friend who had a landlord who was one of the electricians down here.
And as soon as I heard the word Antarctica, I immediately started asking questions and found out what to do.
And it took me about a year and a half.
It's a pretty rigorous application process.
And if you make it through the normal job interview type things and the resume screening and the reference checks, then it begins a, you know, a physical screening.
You've got to be physically fit to endure the conditions here.
So it's a pretty prolonged process.
But about a year and a half later, I was on my way.
Do you share a room with somebody, or is it like a barracks?
unidentified
Well, it's not because I'm chef, but I do have my own room over the winter, because the population is smaller over the winter, and because they are aware that it's a stressful time of year, wintering is considered the difficult time.
Although there's more going on in the summer, the stresses of winter are greater.
Of course, when they show a movie about it, it's always condition one.
I've actually seen that where they had ropes between the buildings because otherwise it really would be possible to get blown around and die trying to get from one building to another.
unidentified
Sure, or just lost.
If the visibility is that floor, and there are times when you can't see from one building to another, if you start walking in the wrong direction, you could be very long in discovering that you're not headed to the building you thought you were.
It's on a commercial program of anybody in Antarctica.
That was Mike, who is the chef that we interviewed for the last hour at McMurdo Station in the Antarctic, where from about now through August, nobody comes and nobody goes because they can't.
That was really something.
Constantly get new experiences here.
All right, well, coming up in a moment, Peter Davenport has a bit of a report for us.
And then hanging on very patiently, John Myler is going to come on the air with us.
He's a very, very interesting individual who is very religious, but believes they put that in quotes.
They are here.
And I don't know how that's going to work out, but we're going to find out shortly.
All right, actually, I've been watching my map here, which shows where the sun is with respect to McMurdo Station, and they are now in the gray area, the small gray zone.
So it's getting darker there.
And I imagine in a number of hours, at the rate it's moving, it's going to be completely dark as fall and the very, very cold weather closes in.
And apparently it's pretty cold.
So anyway, that was really cool.
From the Antarctic now to the state of Washington and Peter Davenport.
And it is closely analogous to what happened at Roswell, allegedly.
It makes me wonder if that movie was not commissioned by somebody in the government to begin the process of getting the American public accustomed to the notion that we have guests on this planet.
I'm also thinking of taking the Belfamily flag down and planting it on the piece of ice that just broke off and going to call it Iceville and sell quarter acre lots with quick depreciation.
I don't believe, since I started doing this in July of 94, I don't believe I've seen as many bizarre and patent UFO reports as we have been seeing in recent months.
And I don't know how far back I should go to mark the beginning of this, but there are things going on, it seems, every day, interesting reports.
When I was on last week, of course, we talked about the interesting sighting over Washington, D.C. on the 3rd of March, Friday night, right scene from the Vietnam Memorial.
Then we started talking about the events over Arkansas, and pieces are slowly but surely falling in place thanks to all the reports that are coming in, thanks to the fine work that Al Collier and Nancy Talbot are doing.
Nancy out of Boston, I failed to mention her and her work last time I was on, but they're doing some fine research, and they are now having analyzed the strange powder that allegedly was found in some of the craters at the burn site, I guess in the vicinity of Scott or England, Arkansas, which are both east and southeast of the white powdery substance.
Yep.
And there was also some kind of, they called it magenta powder.
I don't know much about colors.
I presume magenta is close to purple.
What the nature of that was, I don't know.
But as a consequence of the program we did last week with that delightful young gal whose name was Jane on the radio and Al Collier, we have gotten a gob of reports from people from Oklahoma, from Kansas, from Missouri, from southwest Arkansas.
And just today we got a report from a gentleman who is in Memphis.
In fact, if we have time before the bottom of the hour, I'd like to play the cut I got with this guy.
He got a good look at the object at 8.45 or 8.46 that Thursday night.
This is just two weeks ago, the 9th of March again.
And he asserts, and he had a very good look at this object, that the object he saw slowed down and then momentarily dimmed, and then it brightened up considerably to brighter than it had been when he first saw it, and it accelerated to the north.
And we now have evidence that there were at least four, and I'm beginning to think now, perhaps five aerial events between 8 p.m. that Thursday night and 11.45.
8.26 seen from Derby.
I may have erred on the time when I reported that last week.
It was 8.26, not 8.46, I believe.
Then 8.46, 20 minutes later, 10 o'clock and 11.45.
To the best of my, and also, we just got a fascinating written report from a couple, they live just four miles south of the Missouri border, who were standing outside looking at the night sky at about seven minutes past 10.
And the whole area lit up, much the way Jane described it last week.
And the objects they reported, and this report, this written report will be on our website probably sometime Saturday, two days from now.
We will be posting all the new reports that have come in.
This couple asserts that the first object that caused the gigantic flash stopped, and it had something surrounding it that they were unable to describe really adequately.
And shortly after the first one stopped, a second one stopped.
Now, as you know, I try to stick to facts.
That's my style.
That's my training.
But it occurred to me after our program last week, we've had two now seemingly clusters of sightings, the one over Washington, D.C., and then this cluster of sightings over Arkansas.
I don't know what it means.
I don't know if there's any significance to it, if someone is trying to tell us something.
But it does seem ironic, perhaps noteworthy, little more than that, that the object would appear, the first object on the 3rd of March would appear in the vicinity of the White House.
How far away, we don't know.
Again, I emphasize that it was only one report, one witness in the case of the sighting over Washington, D.C. on the 3rd of March.
This is the gentleman from Memphis, Tennessee, who was driving on the evening of the 9th of March, and this is what he had to report to me just this morning.
Here we go.
All right.
On the evening of the 9th of March, and this is what he had to report to me just this morning.
unidentified
5 p.m.
I was going to work.
Anyway, I was going west on Goodman Road.
I saw this orange-red fireball just going right under it.
It looked like it's going, I don't know, probably 1,000 miles an hour.
Not real, real, real fast, but pretty good speed.
And it had a, at the top of it, it had a real, real bright white light.
I mean, real bright white light.
Just seem like it just, everything around it was brightened because of that white light at the front of it.
And then it had a pretty good sized tail on the end of it.
And it was going, like, say, from the south to the north.
And it wasn't going at a downward angle.
It was sort of going at an upward angle when I saw it.
And as it was going sort of away from me, the light just seemed like it dimmed out.
The white light dimmed out.
And I could tell also that it wasn't bright around it like it was.
But it was still there because I could see it.
And then suddenly the light, it slowed down.
The light then came back on again.
It got real, real bright, and then it left.
Wow.
It was until it slowed down, and then the light got dim.
And then when it picked back up, the light come back on again, accelerate.
Their appearances were not consistent with meteors.
You may recall nine days ago when we had Jane on, she said it was a red fireball and there were tentacles coming out of it.
She described it like a World War II mine with knobs on the surface of it.
Now, we have so many reports now, they're coming out of our ears.
A gentleman, a trucker, reported from just north of the Red River, which forms the border between Arkansas and Texas down in the southwest corner of Arkansas.
He was driving north.
He was just a mile north of the river.
He described very elegantly what he saw as well.
It was the same object, I believe, as the one we just heard described.
And he said, it's like nothing he's ever seen in his life.
It came from behind him.
So it was south in southern Arkansas, and it overtook him very rapidly.
He saw it for just a few seconds.
It went streaking across the northern horizon, reached the horizon, disappeared from his sight.
Well, that by itself is not uncharacteristic of a fireball, a meteorite, or a meteor.
But he said it was too slow to be a meteor, in his opinion, and it looked funny.
And he said he's seen many meteors in his life.
The interesting thing is that almost all of the people who are reporting these things do not report that the object fragmented.
Traditionally, a dramatic meteor, when it gets within 15 miles of the surface of the Earth, will fragment because the atmosphere is very dense and the forces that that rock encounters when it's doing 10, 20, 30, or 40 miles per second are immense.
So it just is like a snowball hitting a brick wall.
And only one guy says he thinks that there might have been a fragmentation event, but everybody else says that the object just winked out or went sailing over the horizon.
Nobody, nobody has reported a sonic boom.
That by itself does not rule out a meteor, but it does seem unusual given the fact that this was a dramatic event.
And the fact that people report that it slowed down and then sped up.
I'll play just about a minute and then come back online.
This is a gentleman last Friday morning, 5.10 a.m., Calgary, Alberta.
He saw a cluster of about 20 yellow lights in a V formation go over his city.
Here we go.
unidentified
All right.
At about 5.15, I'm standing at the kitchen window facing due east.
My house is parallel to the Deerfoot Highway, which runs north and south in Calgary.
I can see to my left almost all the way up to the Calgary International Airport, which is about 10 to 15 miles from here.
And I can see almost all the way to the south end of Calgary to the right, which is the way the Deerfoot runs north and south.
Standing by the phone, I'm deleting some phone messages.
I look out the window and these lights catch my eye in a large bee formation at low-level altitude.
There was a black cloud in the background, which made the lights extremely distinctive, like there was no mistaking them.
There was no shadow, no glare off the window.
I immediately opened the door, jumped outside in my underwear, stood there watching these, yelled back at my wife, and I said, go to the window, look out the window.
And I came back in and she says, where, where?
And I ran to the other bedroom window and we followed it, going due south.
They were below the cloud level.
They flew too fast for a normal jet.
There was no jet noises.
Usually when the jets fly here, there's no mistaking them, because they use this area as a circle path.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 23rd, 2000.
Your duty is sweet down here.
We can't cheat with the high dialogue.
Your duty sweep on my girl.
Give it up, let the girl.
Give it all.
Here it is.
Music.
Thank you.
A very old friend came by the day.
Cause he was telling everyone in town all about what he just found.
Henri's remain of his latest plan.
He talked and talked, and I heard him say that she had spoken.
The prettiest green dolls he could wear.
And reason, ain't of his latest flame Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning I wished him luck and then he said goodbye He was gone but still his words kept returning What else was there for me to do the crime?
Would you believe that yesterday?
She might try to leave.
and the reason made I wish I was a burden.
You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 23rd, 2000.
one hour of interview which is priceless as far as I'm concerned and then Peter Davenport with and recently A meteor?
Well, maybe.
But do meteors go on and off light-wise?
Do they slow down?
Do they accelerate?
Do they begin to gain altitude?
I don't know.
I have a real problem with that.
Coming up in a moment, somebody who may be able to help us out with all of this.
Who knows?
John Miler was born in Madeira, California, and now lives in Fresno.
He has distinguished himself with a B.S. degree, is currently the head of a computer security at the Fresno Air National Guard.
While his primary occupation is computer security, and of course the military, he explores his interest in the paranormal as author of works of fiction and non-fiction research.
Now, John considers himself to be an open-minded Christian.
Very open-minded.
Holding a unique interpretation of the Bible, his latest book, entitled Aliens in the Bible, A Biblical Perspectives of Supernatural Entities, Realms of Existence and Phenomena, is posted for free viewing.
It's a free book on his website, he maintains, at www.aliensinthebible.com.
The paranormal phenomena he covers in his latest book are divided into three categories.
Entities, realms, and the phenomena.
Entities such as aliens, ghosts, even monsters like Bigfoot, realms which encompasses the various levels of heaven and hell, and phenomena such as PSI, astral projection, and reincarnation, all, he says, are found in the Bible and explained in depth.
Thank you for being patient also through all of that.
But it's just such a busy time.
john i did not know a person like you existed or other words your your your fairly uh...
Some Christians would criticize and say, yup, so open-minded his brains fell out.
In other words, they don't think that aliens exist, and if aliens or other such phenomena are seen, they represent demons.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, in some situations I think they do, but not perhaps not all.
To anybody that would say something like that, I would say that they have put God and their existence in a box.
They've defined everything and classified everything, and they're pretty much comfortable with everything the way it is.
But actually, when you read the Bible and you start digging into the meanings of these actual terms that are in there, like hosts and stars and creatures and actually what the nature of heaven is, then you discover that the creation that we live in is a lot more mysterious and unknown than most people have been led to believe.
Well, is that kind of like saying then that everything that is, including the space we know as earth, is part of heaven?
unidentified
Yes.
That is true.
So when you read that term, hosts of heaven or the stars of heaven, stars and hosts both refer to entities.
And so when you read that term, it's simply telling you right there in that short three-word term, hosts of heaven, that there are beings that live within heaven.
And when you understand heaven to be outer space within various levels of glory, then you got it all put together.
So you believe that there could be, that, in fact, there are aliens.
Do you believe that, you know, in other words, aliens, class them as you will.
We're talking about a very broad term here, whether we're talking about other dimensions or creatures from other planets in other systems.
Do you believe that all of these reports, Peter Davenport detailed just to view, we get them all the time, of these incredible craft flitting about, doing things that our craft cannot do, clearly.
Even in space, our shuttles see things that just cannot be.
Only they are.
unidentified
Some of them are and some of them aren't.
I mean, I've heard of holographic technology from satellites and such, and I do believe that there's a lot of things going on.
There's a big mixed bag full of phenomenon going on, and it's all classified under the header UFO.
But I do believe that there are beings out there, and the Bible seems to indicate that in the latter days that there's going to be an increase of this sort of phenomenon going on, especially as it concerns the arrival of the Antichrist and the end times scenarios.
Well then, what does that say then, John, to all of the people who have called my show whose relatives have passed on and seem or appear to remain to contact them to let them know things are okay or to let them know to let go that I'm okay.
Well, one key thing to keep in mind that I mention in my book is whenever you're analyzing these sort of topics and you come up with different possibilities, you should always keep a couple of key verses in mind so that you don't fall into deception.
And if there's any phenomenon that's purporting some sort of philosophy that's contrary to Scripture, then that gets a big warning flag that jumps up right there.
For instance, in Deuteronomy 18, 20 through 22 and Deuteronomy 13, 1 through 4, those are scriptures on how to discern whether a spirit is not from God or not, or a particular phenomenon.
So in other words, an ongoing dialogue or a request for one.
unidentified
That would be one indicator, yeah, definitely.
Or say if somebody contacted a spirit through a Ouija board.
Well, that's a type of necromancy.
That's where you're reaching out.
And it wouldn't have to be a Ouija board.
There's tons of things that are out there, and they're waiting, and they're waiting for you to throw sticks on the ground or whatever it may be to reach out to them.
look a long time now, John, I've thought when you even mentally open yourself to the possibility of this kind of thing, then you might as well be playing with a Ouija board because your door is open and something might walk through.
unidentified
Right.
Well, there's a difference between opening yourself up and opening yourself up to deception.
You can have your eyes open and look and see what's going on around you.
I mean, if you're sitting on your couch watching TV and a spirit pops up in front of you and you just happen to see it, that doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with you or that you did anything wrong.
It happened, you know, and that kind of stuff happens.
But on the other hand, if you're sitting there in a state of great concentration, trying to make contact with some kind of entity from beyond, that's an open door.
unidentified
That's an open door.
That's where I would draw the line.
Yeah, and that's where Scripture draws the line.
So, I mean, that's just that's one element right there.
Do you believe that people are possessed in the case of the people?
unidentified
Yeah, you know see, the the Bible is it talks about possession in a number of ways.
It says you can be possessed by devils, but it also uses the term evil spirit, unclean spirit, familiar spirit, and a couple of others.
Now, my question is, why were these authors, many of them the same authors, using different terms for different types of spirits to describe possession?
To me, that is saying that it's possible for people to get possessed by a deceased person.
Once again, John Miler, who has written a book called Aliens in the Bible, the link to his site is on my site right now, www.artbell.com.
Just go down to the name John Myler, and you can go over and look at his site.
John, you know, again, a lot of Christians would say somebody who writes a book called Aliens in the Bible is committing blasphemy and why it's just, you know, it's ridiculous.
unidentified
I have heard that, and I've caught some flack over it.
Well, I'm sure they were, but they were not the kind of benef uh, you know, uh, what do you call, uh, kind, nice, sweet, gentle aliens that that they would have thought they were.
Okay, and they indeed thought they were going to it had some the marker, they said, was the comet, but they expected to end up on an alien ship, I believe is what was correct.
Actually, toward the end, they said, well, even though there may not be a so-called companion, it doesn't matter.
The comet itself is the sign.
And so, you know, I saw the videos and they were all happy, happy, happy.
They were ready to go.
They said they were looking forward to it, really at ease and looking forward to the trip and graduating Schoolhouse Earth and all the rest of it.
unidentified
Yes, and, you know, this is kind of like this inner drive that I have because I just feel that the Christian community needs to assert this question.
And you really touched on a key topic when you mentioned how are you going to be able to tell whether something is trying to deceive you or not.
Yes.
There's something that I've been seeing in this whole phenomenon, a message that I've been hearing over and over through people that say they channel these beings and such and so forth.
There's two main messages.
One is these beings planted humanity here on this earth.
That's message number one.
Message number two is they're going to return soon and when they do, they're going to bring humanity into a new age of enlightenment.
First of all, Genesis 1 clearly indicates that the same God who said, let there be light, is the same one that planted humanity on the earth.
Elohim is a plural word, and I've heard from, like, say, Zachariah Sitchim and others that they try to take that word and they turn it into angels, and that there's angelic beings that put life here on earth.
But that word is plural because it's denoting Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
But wouldn't to us, to whatever we were, if you toy with the concept in 2001, for example, that there was intervention by an alien species of some sort, that there had in fact, can it go together?
In other words, could there have been creation and then intervention at some point?
Have you considered that?
unidentified
Well, Scripture is clear when it says God created man and breathed life into him.
Yeah, apparently they convinced everybody they were, but they were evil to the core to such a degree that God destroyed the entire planet as a result.
Yeah, and Jesus said that we're going to have a return to the days of the flood of, or a return to the days of Noah when that kind of stuff was happening.
Matthew 24, 15 and Luke 21, 24 both indicate that we're going to see a return to that, that these beings are going to return to this world.
And it marries right in with this concept that they are our creators.
They're going to try to claim the title of God.
And number one, that's blasphemy.
Big, heavy, ugly word, but that's what you call it.
When you're jumping up and saying you're God, that's blasphemy.
And number two, they're trying to say that they're going to be the ones that are going to take the credit for humanity evolving into this new age of enlightenment.
If such a creature were to come down in a ship, land, claim to be God, and appear to have godlike powers, how many people now on earth, six billion plus, percentage-wise, do you think would buy it?
unidentified
A lot if they brought with them, say, genetic enhancements, amazing technology.
Think about technology that would be so advanced that if you integrated it into the human body, you would be telepathic and smarter than Einstein and more creative than Mozart and Picasso.
Now, at one point, Satan turned and saw his presence or felt his presence.
And I thought that was a really, really, really, really scary project.
And I'm not sure once you've had that encounter that you come out the same way.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, you see, I've known people that have been plagued with demonic entities.
And it's really not all the bells and whistles that you see in movies like The Exorcist.
All it takes is a genuine faith in Jesus.
And you'd be amazed At the kind of things that you would see in, you know, what you would consider an average church when it comes to demonic possession and deliverance from that kind of stuff.
And let me just say that for those priests that died, to die in Christ is gain.
So they're doing all right.
Maybe they lost the battle over their physical body, but they're doing just fine.
And, you know, it is a real thing that there's some serious stuff going on out there.
And when you do get close to it, when it starts touching home, I mean, personally, that is what brought me to Jesus because I was really deeply heavy involved in a lot of New Age-y things, Ouija boards and channeling and all that stuff.
And I actually lured this kind of stuff into my life.
I had an interest in, actually, I didn't think it would work.
And me and another friend of mine got together and we were playing with one thinking, oh, we'll just talk to an alien from another world or an angel in heaven.
Well, I didn't know there was that much rice in the world.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, especially in your country like China.
It's sweeping China right now, even in the face of persecution where you have Christians getting killed left and right for their faith.
And actually, since Russia, since they have opened their doors up and decided to allow this religion in, it's been sweeping throughout Russia and all over the world, unlike ever before.
What happens to those who have not received the word?
Now, they might live and work and love and die without ever having the Christian word at all.
I lived on the island of Okinawa, and they weren't Christians at all.
They worshiped their ancestors.
That was their religion.
unidentified
Well, one thing you can be sure of is that God is a God of mercy.
And the Bible also says that planted within the heart of every human being is a certain knowledge about God.
And, you know, let me just tell you this one quick story.
There was a story about a missionary who had been traveling, and he was on some remote island.
And he was just wandering through the jungle there looking for the nearest village and saw this man praying in English as some rock out there in the middle of nowhere.
And so he started talking to the guy.
It turns out the guy didn't know how to speak in English.
He was speaking in tongues as he was praying.
And that this guy was leaving his village to pray to a one God that he knew was a true God.
And it wasn't anything to do with any of the people in his village.
And this was a village where there was no gospel.
So in summary, I would say that for a people that do not know God or do not have any knowledge of God, God will send somebody because he's a merciful God.
Then when a hypnotist regresses a patient back into a former life where the patient may begin to speak another language, may describe surroundings of another country, or even may be a different sex.
The reason it's not valid in courts is because once you're under a deep state of hypnosis, you're highly suggestible to whatever is said to you.
Let me give you an example.
You're growing younger and younger and younger.
You're in your womb.
You're now out of your womb.
You're flying backwards in time and time and time.
Right there, you just made a suggestion.
You're telling that person that they're flying backwards in time, whether they did or not.
So since memory is reconstructive itself, the mind has an amazing capacity to be able to create whatever you suggest to it.
So you can't really prove reincarnation with hypnosis, but there are other cases that are a lot more convincing than that where people weren't under hypnosis, like kids in India.
I mean, it's actually not very uncommon in India, and these kids are not undergoing hypnosis, and yet they're remembering facts about people that have been verified.
There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and bare children to them, there became mighty men, which were of old, men of renown.
Now, these were giants.
And when we look in the fossil record, what do we see in common with all of these different fossils and stuff?
We see huge things.
We see giant lizards, giant bears, giant tigers, giant gorillas.
To me, that is a prime indication that somebody was fiddling with genetics, specifically those genes that have to do with giantism.
There's an indication in the fossil record, and also right here what I just read, that all flesh may have been corrupted by this genetic experimentation that happened back then and probably is still happening now.
So when you think about that, there's a possibility that there could be numerous creatures that are running around that are products of genetic experimentation.
Okay, let's see what this gene does.
Let's see what that gene does.
And the result is you get giant creatures.
You get creatures that are part human, part ape.
You get creatures that are L. chupacabras with supernatural power.
A large range of things could be the result of that.
But see, we don't have, we have a gazillion reports, for example, of the chupacabra.
We have hundreds of animals that have been autopsied, two fang marks in their neck, all the blood gone from their bodies.
Seemingly supernatural, but nobody has ever captured that I know of, although we have a couple of interviews.
I'll see that.
A chupacabra.
So it seems like they're in a kind of a realm that's not fully physical.
unidentified
Right.
Well, see, these Nephilim may have been in that same category because it says these were men of renown, men that legends have been made after.
And when you analyze, like Norse mythology, Greek mythology, Sumerian theology, you find these beings that often had supernatural power.
So when we're talking about genetic experimentation, we're also talking about the possibility that these beings could have had supernatural power.
They were trying to create a genetically superior human being, superior in size, superior in strength, superior in intelligence, and possibly psychic power, the ability to do things with the mind.
And that's why I see this as a possibility that these monsters that we're seeing running around, they're products of demonic beings coming down and fiddling with our life forms that we have here on Earth and coming up with all kinds of things and just turning them loose because they don't care.
I mean, this is just their laboratory where the lab rats and they're here to just wreak havoc.
So, I mean, that's how I come up with that conclusion.
And from there, a lot of superstition, even people that took information from the Bible saying that, you know, actually in those days, they considered these beings to be demons.
This is just a specific name for a demon.
But it starts as something real and then falls into legend.
And then when people start to strongly believe in these things, well, then that opens up a door because there's beings out there waiting for an avenue in which to come in to a role.
They created this fake being by gathering in a room and concentrating and talking and just talking about this person for years, for several years and thinking about this person that never existed.
And they had to actually research it to make sure that this person never existed.
But they put a lot of intense mental effort into this.
But the point I'm trying to make is, yes, the mind may be able to have a power to be able to initiate something like that, but once the energy is there and the doorway is open, there are beings out there that are waiting to assume that identity, and they may even be able to harness that energy.
The case of Alexandra Neil, the lady, first lady to enter in Tibet and to study their practices, she apparently created this being as a tolpa, and it was actually physically seen by other people.
But according to her experience, this being started to change and it became malevolent, became evil.
It would attack her and stuff, and she actually had to go through these different rituals in order to diffuse it.
But to me, that's an indication that she may have initially created it, but something else came in later on and took that energy over.
The same could be said for legends like vampires and werewolves, where you have hundreds of people all believing in the same thing.
So an energy is there, and then something just comes in and harnesses the energy, assumes the identity, and then takes it to the next step, feeds the fear, and then generates more fear, and then in return gets that energy and strengthens.
Just as an initial reaction, I would say that as a missionary, they went about it all wrong.
When you're initiating first contact with a people that have never heard about the Lord, they need to know very fundamental things in such a way that it won't destroy them, obviously.
They're thought to be pretty peaceful, but, you know, there was Pearl Harbor and all that.
unidentified
yeah yeah i mean they did there's a lot of destruction done in the name of As long as you're going to have people, you're going to have mistakes.
You're going to have things that just are not going right.
And it's a learning experience, especially for like a missionary that's in a situation like that.
Man, I really have a heart for a person like that because that's a tough job.
I mean, you see these people and your heart cries out for them, and you want them to know that God actually came to earth as a human being and showed himself to humanity as a being who loves us and who's reaching out to us.
And yet, you know, how do you do that without disrupting everything that's part of their life?
And others are able to leave their body as a practice.
now is the person doing when they're doing that i mean a a a a a bit i never Okay.
unidentified
Genesis 11 speaks about a time when all the people in the world spoke one language.
And at that time, it says that they decided to gather together and build this big tower.
I assume it was a temple where they had their worship and religious practices.
And then Scripture says that they were reaching to the heavens, and they were obtaining so much knowledge from this activity surrounding this tower that God actually came down and intervened.
And this is the only time in the history of humanity where God has come down and said, man is obtaining too much knowledge.
I've got to put an end to it.
Now, I'm the only one so far of that I know of that has come up with this bizarre theory, but I think that what they were doing is that during their rituals and stuff, they were taking a bunch of different types of drugs, which are always involved in different rituals and ancient religions.
They discovered a side effect.
They could leave their bodies.
When they had that happen to them, they decided, wow, well, that was fantastic.
So they incorporated it into their practice.
Then they began to, they found out they could go out into outer space and they were not hindered.
That's when they crossed the line because that's when it would have become possible for them to travel into a glorified realm and even corrupt that realm just as Satan corrupted Earth.
But before they were stopped, I imagine they were obviously collecting information about stars, how the stars were positioned, where they went last time so that they can continue.
And I get people telling me I'm nuts because I believe God communicates things to me.
But I think if they're going to say that, they're going to have to categorize every Christian into that same boat because God speaks to me, and God speaks to anybody that says they have a relationship with Jesus.
And I don't think that God conveyed that to me because I don't see how else I could do anything so nuts.
Yes, I have a chapter devoted to artificial intelligence.
And when you read in Revelation 13, 11 through 18, you find this beast, this being, whatever it is, evil, demands of humanity to create another being that is a sentient life form.
So you're talking about a living being that is alive, that is man-made.
To me, that is artificial intelligence.
And what does this being do as soon as it is in place?
It establishes world-dominating power, establishes a global economic system, something that I think the internet is geared right up for.
And then there's a mark that it establishes, like a global tracking system in order to integrate people into this new system.
Earl said, we'll just pull over, finish drinking these here beers, peel off the labels, dig them on our foreheads, and throw the bottles under the seat.
What for, said Bubba.
Just let me do the talking.
Okay, said Earl.
Well, they finished their beers, threw the empty bottles under the seat, and each put the label on their forehead.
When they reached the police roadblock, the sheriff said, You boys been drinking?
when i'm going to use search the airwaves in in between stations you'll hear me in their screen and somewhere backpacker i like that What I think would be really funny is for you to go over all the things, different things that you've done to try to kill yourself.
Well, first of all, that's unfair because I have not tried to kill myself.
I have simply had a lot of close calls, but none of them were voluntary, I can assure you.
unidentified
What I liked especially was the sleeping bag catching on fire.
Internet radio is going to happen, but it hasn't happened yet.
unidentified
So my thought on that is, is not only when you look at the SETI project, not only do you have to search all these planets and galaxies, you have to hit that 200-year timeframe perfectly.
So, I mean, it seems to me that it's almost an impossible task to find something unless it's a tremendous amount of luck.
You experienced one of the sightings yourself, I guess you and your wife you had mentioned on the radio in the desert, and it came above you, over your head, you explained.
When you see this, I went three years ago to this MUFON conference and I showed just one of the films because I have this camcorder that you can see it after you play it.
And one of these days, one of them's going to hit us.
And we're not going to know about it.
The one that gets you is the one that you don't see coming.
And there's good grounds for that old saying, you know, you don't see it coming, the one that gets you.
Oh, you don't.
It's headed straight in.
And heck, we'd barely notice the ones that manage to catch the sun at enough of an angle.
Much less the ones that are coming straight at us.
So probably we'd have enough time to notice that something was happening in the sky, and we'd look up and say, what the hell's, you know, and all conversation would end.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, Susan calling from New Mexico.
Just wanted to tell you where Linda Moulton Howe is.
Well, you know, their computers are pretty backward compared to what we've got here.
And I guess you can say that Y2K was a non-event.
And certainly in some respects, it was.
But it would have been an event in this country, believe me, had they not spent the money.
So I guess you could say Gary should call and apologize for scaring people.
But if it hadn't been for the Gary Norths, the Ed Yordens, and frankly, people even at the Senate level, you may recall, screaming and yelling about what was coming if we don't move fast, something would have occurred.
So there's several ways of looking at it, and I really don't think Gary feels apologetic about warning people about what would have happened.
He was on that very early.
West of the Rockies, you're on there.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi.
Hello.
I was thinking about what you all said about looking for a sign.
Yes.
Don't you see signs all around you all the time?
Look at the signs of you being saved from all sorts of things.
Right, but that's how the Latin calendar, the Latin-based names of the months, still held, being September, being Sept, 7, October, Oct, 8.
Right.
Your caller was interesting.
I had a similar experience.
I was heavily into the occult and had a conversion experience myself.
And I want to throw you a little curveball on that because, to my knowledge, this hasn't been mentioned when possession has been talked about on your show.
Malachi Martin mentioned the experience of being perfectly possessed.
Yes.
The higher order, deceptive spirits, or actually religious spirits, the higher you go in the hierarchy of the deceptive spirits, the more they mimic the true spirits.
So the common impression of demons and possessing spirits being really like Darth Vader is very misleading because the higher order spirits appear as religious spirits.
We are going to replay this Sunday a program with Malachi Martin that a lot of people have never heard, one in which Ed Dames came on with Malachi Martin.
Well, I was possessed by a religious spirit for seven years.
I was a Christian minister, and I didn't realize I was possessed by a religious spirit until I tried to leave the church and had to go through a series of deprogramming experiences to depossess myself of the religious spirit.
I had to exorcise myself by going to the other extreme and following a shamanic path and really coming back home to myself and finding my own mind again.