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March 7, 2000 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Richard C. Hoagland - Monuments of Mars
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Expectation fears has come true.
And it's the sound of Bush and Gore.
So, in finality, when I said I wouldn't say it again, nevertheless, I say it again.
Bush-Gore.
Now, this is serious.
This is very serious.
What you're about to hear is very serious, and so you pay very close attention.
Richard C. Hoagland wrote the book on Mars, called The Monuments of Mars, and he wrote that how long ago, Richard?
Oh, almost 20 years ago.
Thank you.
Alright, let me continue.
Now, 20 years ago, the monuments of Mars.
Richard C. Hoagland was, at one time, an advisor to NASA.
He worked with Walter C. Cronkite.
Hello there.
Walter C. Cronkite.
Daddy.
The man everybody trusted more than anybody else in the world.
Richard C. Hoagland won the Angstrom Science Award.
He's been a regular guest on my show for... How long do you figure, Richard?
Forever.
Forever.
Mostly forever.
So here he is, Richard C. Hoagland.
And this is... What's going on is just a blanking mind blower, as far as I'm concerned.
A Mission to Mars, we all know, is coming up, is going to debut on the 10th of this month.
Which is Friday.
Which is Friday.
But man, is there a bunch of stuff going on about this movie.
Unblanking believable is all I can say.
Now, the movie was produced by Richard?
Well, Disney and Touchstone.
Yeah.
Touchstone is a subsidiary of the Disney Corporation, the Disney family.
Yes, it is.
On which stations?
I'm carried, by the way.
As we jump into this.
Oh, they'll love this.
Yeah, they're going to love this.
All right, so it's Disney, which uses Touchstone for movies, mostly, that it doesn't have Mickey Mouse and stuff, right?
Yep.
All right.
So, here comes Mission to Mars, and the man behind it, De Palma?
Brian De Palma, eminent director, you know, has done all kinds of extraordinary, award-winning, great films of our time.
A giant in the field, as they say.
But has never done a, quote, science fiction film.
And maybe he hasn't done one now!
Well, but, Mr. De Palma, He is now and has been refusing all interviews with regard to the movie, right?
Well, this started Sunday night.
The source that we're going to be quoting, which I do not want to name until Thursday night, because he's still digging for information, and I think that they will talk more freely if they don't hear his name banded about on the Art Bell Show, has been providing us information based on a series of interviews that were conducted Sunday and Monday At the Press Junket, where Disney Touchstone flies press from all over the country.
Television, international, print press, to Hollywood for special screenings of the film.
Yes.
And beginning Sunday night, my source has been giving me a kind of a running commentary on the increasing weird world of Disney.
Not the wonderful world, but the weird world of Disney.
The weird world of Disney.
Because Brian De Palma, who has been in film for two years now, shepherding this $120 million megaproject, Ranking up there with some of the most expensive films of all time.
Of all time, yeah.
This is basically a movie about a mission to Mars, and then losing contact with it, and a second rescue mission going to Mars to get the first guys and find out what the hell's going on, basically.
That's right.
Right?
Yep.
Anyway, the Sunday night of the print press preview, the print press premiere, De Palma suddenly, with absolutely no excuse, cancels all of his interviews.
And has steadfastly for over a week and a half now refused to talk to anybody.
In fact, one report coming out of Disney this afternoon said that the night following the premiere he got on a plane that was in Europe somewhere.
What?
And this boggles the mind because one of the stories that came wrangling its way out of Disney in terms of an excuse was, well, he got ticked off at some of the reactions of some of the members of the press And then decided he wasn't going to talk to anybody and, you know, got out of Dodge.
They've been having some press previews, right?
No, they've had a series.
For reviewers, that kind of... For the international press and the television press and the print press.
These are the usual dog and pony shows where you, at great expense, fly in all these people.
Yep.
The Washington Times, it turns out, which never sends a reporter or an entertainment editor to cover these things, this time flew somebody in.
to Hollywood, from Washington, to cover this film, and when queried, the person who was going to cover it said, well, because it's NASA.
And I might say parenthetically that the Washington Times has done some very favorable and positive stories on our research over the years, so I kind of picked up at that.
All right, so NASA... NASA was, in fact, a consultant on this film, right?
More than a consultant.
Again, our source, who was a nationally recognized entertainment writer, Has been in the business for 14, 15 years.
Knows what he's doing.
Right.
He reported to me and submitted actual text of the transcript of the interview he conducted with Tom Jacobson, who is the producer of the film, by the touchstone.
Right.
Part of four or five guys that got together four years ago and decided they were going to do something like this.
Right, right.
Jacobson not only confirms that NASA was intimately involved in the film from the get-go, But actually confirmed in print that NASA had script approval that every single line in this film was supposed to have been vetted by the Space Agency before it was committed to film.
Alright, now you listen to me.
It's very important, folks.
Very important what you're hearing right now.
When I say on our site, you know, on Enterprise, in our coverage of this Mission to Mars film, that this is a NASA-slash-Touchstone film, which I did several days ago, Well, we have it confirmed from no less than the producer of the film itself that NASA was intimately involved in everything from script to technical advisors.
Well, script control is really heavy duty.
Well, it's the ultimate.
And when the DOD, for instance, you know, gets in bed with producers or film companies on major motion pictures, it usually demands some kind of script control because they don't want you saying nasty things about the Defense Department.
That's right.
So this is derriere.
This is par for the course.
Nothing of this yet would be unusual, except for DePalma's wigging out at the last minute, which really doesn't make any sense, because if you've got your reputation on the line, and, you know, doing a campaign for a film is a little bit like doing a campaign For President.
$120 million is on the line.
Exactly.
But for DePalma, it's not his money.
It was the studio's money, but it's his reputation.
Well, I know, but the studio would have every reason to have this guy in front of every camera and microphone they could find over the next few days.
One would think there'd be an incentive from DePalma himself to talk over the heads of a few press that didn't get the film.
Of course.
And talk directly to the American people, to the film community, to CNN, to you, to whoever.
Instead, De Palma has done a disappearing white rabbit trick.
He's down some hidey hole somewhere, not talking to anybody.
Now, you and I have been doing this kind of, you know, previews of this for, what, two or three weeks now?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I'm sure we're putting dollars in the box office already, I'm sure.
Well, I emphatically want to urge people to, on Friday and across the weekend, go see this film, because it turns out that this is like a magical mystery tour of the monuments of Mars.
And what we're going to probably think of, between you and me, is some kind of prize for the person who calls in, you know, in the next few days, having seen the film, and spots all of the hyper-dimensional, Cydonia, Monuments of Mars, Enterprise, Hoagland, clinky-dinkies.
Alright, there's going to be a ton of that.
I mean, that will be a contest.
But here comes the clincher, folks.
This is a clincher.
Now, I've seen the trailer that's running for Mission to Mars.
And in the trailer that I've seen, they show a face.
And the face could be more said to be more closely resembling an alien gray than the face that is, we all know, at Cydonia.
Yeah, this was first revealed during the Super Bowl during halftime.
And it looks like a kind of a stylized alien gray.
We have it up on our website.
You can link to it through Art Bell's site.
Right.
And, you know, again, if you want to hold the theory, the opinion, That this is a neat piece of science fiction and De Palma pulled out of thin air the idea of a face on Mars and made his own.
You know, you could make it stick in terms of the face that they have created that's in the so-called trailers.
But, there's another side to the story.
Yeah, here it comes.
Now listen very carefully everybody.
We have talked to a person no less than the The editor of the National Post in Toronto, the entertainment editor for the National Post in Toronto, Canada, whose name is, Richard... Well, I thought we were going to give him away.
Oh.
Well, I thought you meant that was your other source you were talking about.
No, I... Well, okay.
In other words, you said we're not... How good we are at playing conspiracy here.
Well, no.
Alright, alright.
His name is, you know, we don't want to beat around the bush.
His name is David G. Amarco.
Right.
And he's been in the business for 14, 15 years.
And he is, in fact, the editor of the National Post of Toronto, right?
I think he's the senior entertainment writer for the Post.
Great.
That's fine.
Okay.
But he's the guy who's flown around, you know, and they do a slew of movies and they review them all.
And he's contacted.
And he's seen the movie, right?
He's seen the movie and he's going to see it again tomorrow night.
Alright.
They're showing it in Toronto and they've invited him again to see it because they've flown Prince now to various cities.
I mean, Touchstone has put on a major full court press.
All right, but here's where it gets really, really, really weird, folks.
David Giamarco, is that right, Giamarco?
Giamarco.
Has sent a verbatim transcript of the new Mission to Mars trailer, one that apparently alternates with the one that's running.
I haven't seen it yet.
But he gave, he sent us a verbatim transcript of it, which has been seen by several people who have contacted me on SyFy, on The Learning Channel, and a couple other places.
Alright, let me read this to the audience, um, so it'll blow their mind.
Uh, it's of email to Richard, says Richard, here's the verbatim transcript of the new M2M trailer.
In authoritative voiceover, for 25 years, the government has concealed evidence of a lifelike formation on Mars.
Then a wide shot of Mars and a close-up of Cydonia.
Then extreme close-up of face.
And it goes on.
On March 10th, the conspiracy will be exposed.
Dialogue from film.
It's the face.
It's real.
Somebody put that thing there and it's not us.
Then the voiceover continues.
But some secrets should never be uncovered.
A faithful rendering of that email?
Precise.
Now, the key thing is here, the images that accompany this are not the made-up face that the Palma has in the film.
But, in fact, the face on Mars, Cydonia, the one you wrote about.
From Viking.
From the Viking NASA imagery.
It's impossible, Richard.
Now, what can we imagine might have happened here?
Did he confirm that the trailer face matched the movie face?
That we have not yet done.
However, tonight we have some new news.
One of our correspondents has found an article, and I'm trying to get a hard copy, where De Palma was interviewed many months ago, and apparently talked about the creation of two endings for Mission to Mars.
That's new news, Art.
You didn't even know that.
Two endings, huh?
Two endings.
And the other thing that we can confirm on the record from Gianmarco this afternoon, because he has been pursuing the Disney folks to try to get to the bottom of this, going up the ladder, you know, higher and higher executives, to try to find out why De Palma won't talk to anybody, particularly people who are sympathetic, that are not going to pan the film, but want to talk about all the neat points in the film.
He confirmed this afternoon, according to the public relations people, Who put the budgets together for these promos, these trailers, that the attack NASA campaign, you know, like attack McCain or attack Gore or whatever, the attack NASA campaign accusing the government of a cover-up for 20 years to be solved by this movie is only about two weeks old.
Now, what favorite radio program for the last couple of weeks has been featuring the rest of the story?
Right here, folks.
And Mishmar's people have just been begging me to have somebody on up until two weeks ago, when we began to tell you the rest or the other.
I don't know whether it's the rest of the story, the other side of the story, or just a bunch of hype to get a bunch of people to go to the movie.
Which certainly will succeed my case.
I'll be right there.
Likewise.
But we've got apparently our source, who we've named, has a videotape of this trailer.
Yes, he was able to tape it.
All right.
I have a request.
He's sending copies to you and to me.
Yeah, but they won't arrive in time.
Probably not.
So I have a request of my audience coming up in a moment.
Stay right there, Richard.
It's the bottom of the hour.
We'll be right back.
And get ready for my request.
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
Well, good morning everybody.
Richard C. Hoagland is here.
We're talking about Mission to Mars now, once again.
I need your help, and here's how I need it.
If any of you have this new Mission to Mars trailer on tape, videotape, or you can tape it, turn it into an MPEG-3 file and send it to me in email.
You'll never know how much I would appreciate that.
I'm Art Bell at MindSpring.com, and I need a copy of this quickly.
Consider what's on the trailer in authoritative voiceover.
Now, ask yourself as I read this, would NASA approve this for 25 years?
The government has concealed evidence of a lifelike formation on Mars.
Script approval?
Then a wide shot of Mars.
Then a close-up of the real face on Cydonia.
Cydonia.
Now you think about it, you think they would have approved that one.
You know the way NASA has been about face on Mars, right?
So there are two trailers out there, and I need a copy of this trailer from somebody in the audience.
As soon as po... In a moment we'll discuss, if true, what this might mean.
🎵 Actually, alright, uh, now, we're gonna discuss what all of
this may mean in a mo... right now.
Actually.
🎵 All right, now let's think about this.
If this trailer is as stated, what might this mean?
To me, it might mean the following.
Touchstone slash Disney is screwing with us all for promotional purposes, and myself and Richard in particular.
Could mean that.
It could mean Mr. De Palma is screwing with NASA, which of course would mean That he would have burned his bridges forever with NASA, something you wouldn't think he would do, and that's all I can think it would mean.
I mean, either there's some giant promotional brouhaha doing with this second trailer, and it's really aimed at stirring up controversy, which it sure is doing, and ticking off Richard and myself, or De Palma has tipped off Uh, really ticked off NASA, and I've not heard any comment from NASA yet, but you just know if it's a real face at Cydonia, either in the trailer or the movie, they're gonna be really, really pissed!
What have I missed here, Richard?
Even more so, because remember, the line in the film says it sets up a conspiracy for 25 years.
The government has kept you in the dark.
And then it says on March 10th, the conspiracy will be exposed.
This is stabbing the agency in the back.
Big time.
Now maybe that's why DePalma, it could be that's why DePalma is now not doing interviews.
Well, but this campaign to do this, these trailers did not appear until about three or four days after he had disappeared.
Or... In other words, they had not run.
Or could it mean that Palma wanted to use the real Cydonia as an ending and got overruled?
Well, we don't know what his contract reads and that's one of the things that David is going to try to find out between now and Thursday when we're going to do our final last minute update before the film premieres.
Huh.
Think bigger though.
I don't know whether you're an aficionado of John Huston or John Ford films with John Wayne, but back during World War II, during the Korean War, and even up through the Vietnam War, film companies, major studios, would go to the Defense Department, would go to the government, and basically get Millions, if not tens of millions of dollars of stuff contributed for free.
Big time.
In Vietnam, remember the final Wayne picture?
Yep, the Green Beret picture.
Yeah, of course.
Well, that was nothing but almost propaganda, really.
Well, and they used to shoot on bases.
They used to shoot, you know, Stuart on the B-52, the Strategic Air Command.
I mean, all of these films.
You have a major studio like Disney.
Huey's at your disposal, I mean, whatever.
And aircraft carriers.
Remember Silent Running, where they borrowed a whole aircraft carrier as a spaceship?
You bet.
It goes back decade after decade after decade.
You know, the U.S.
government has been in bed with the Hollywood film community in contributing a major portion of their budget for set and personnel and all kinds of other little perks.
What Disney has done, is to basically cut themselves off from all of that.
Well, maybe.
Not just in Massachusetts, but throughout the entire GOG family.
Richard, you've got to imagine this also might be a diploma thing.
saying in other words he may have you said that you had word that he was over two endings. This afternoon, this
afternoon again David did got confirmation from Disney.
This is an official touchstone campaign and the person who talked to David says I just wish we'd done it a lot earlier
because she and it was a she realized the enormous PR value of getting the entire Art Bell audience that's been
following our work for the last you know what five years, eight years, ten years, whatever it is to go and see this
film to find out what the hell this is. And Yeah, but Richard, Richard, that might be the reason for the second trailer.
That might be the only reason for the second trailer.
Yeah, but you can't legally have an agency on board and then turn around and stab them in the back.
There are relationships.
There are actual contractual relationships.
Oh, I understand.
The other thing you don't do... But what if it's just in the trailer, not in the film?
Yeah, but even the trailer... I mean, you've got... Simultaneous with this trailer, you've got people like Story Musgrave, astronaut of 30 years, who was at the press premieres, made available, talked to various members of the press.
I heard he was on the set.
He was on... Well, of course he was on the set, because he was a key consultant to the man, Spacewife X, you know, Missions to Mars, space stations, rendezvous, docking, EBAs, the whole nine yards.
Musgrave was a key player in setting up this film from technical, accurate points of perspective.
Gio Marco interviewed him and is going to discuss this in some detail on Thursday night.
Interviewed story about this?
And asked him point-blank questions.
And Musgrave insists That NASA is the most wide-open government agency that has ever existed, there's no cover-up of anything, there are no UFOs, there's no evidence, they're all nuts, etc.
For 25 years the government has concealed evidence of lifelike formation on the moon.
Precisely!
So what you're doing is not only making the agency look bad, but you're taking one of your own key consultants and making him look like a fool!
You're saying officially from Disney, this man's a damn liar!
But why are we saying... I mean, to Palmer, why is he not giving interviews?
There are two possibilities.
One is that he's getting his way, and he's angry.
And that he's not getting the ending that he wants in the movie.
That's true.
Right?
Isn't that possible?
That's possible.
Or... Or... And this is the one that I really love.
He is off somewhere secretly editing his new ending and that's being shipped to him as we speak to all the theaters.
And this has been done before.
Remember, Art, I mentioned 2001?
Yes.
When Kubrick went, he had a screening in New York and the critics really didn't like it.
They didn't get it.
They didn't understand it.
So he, on a train between New York and Los Angeles for the LA premiere, he re-edited the film.
On the train.
On the train.
2001.
2001.
The classic film that, by the way, said that if they find it, they... And, you know, we're coming up to the year.
And then a different film premiered, courtesy of this genius, Danny Kubrick, in Los Angeles than the few critics had seen in New York saw.
So it has been done before.
Now it's been called, which I'm going to hopefully get a hold of tomorrow, which was done months ago, where he talked about filming two endings.
Kind of a little bit like Lady and the Tiger, doesn't it?
Yeah.
So, I am praying that Brian De Palma, because of the relationship with Bruce De Palma... May I ask a question?
...who was our colleague... Yes.
...has seen the light, and understands that history is bigger than NASA, and that there's going to be one heck of an interesting ending for this film, where Gary Sinise says some very remarkable things.
We'll just have to all wait.
I'll tell you something, Richard.
If they tried, they couldn't do a better job of driving my audience to the theater and driving me to the theater.
You got me.
What I first need, folks, is a copy of this trailer.
Somebody MPEG-3 this sucker to me as fast as you can, please.
In its entirety.
Now, this is not the alien-looking alien face.
This is... This one will actually show the face On Mars, the one that Richard... Well, according to Gianmarco, who's seen it, and according to Mike Barra, who his wife saw it... This stuff here is a government cover-up.
You got it.
And it has the colorized versions of Cydonia, very close to what we have from Colorado, on our website, as part of our review of... I mean, this is pretty interesting, to say the least.
Well, I can imagine, Richard, The people in the studio sit there and think, look, let's get another trailer out there.
Let's make this one a little different.
And it's going to just drive them out of their minds.
And as part of it, we'll have DiPoma not say anything for a while.
And the controversy will go nuts on the Art Bell Show.
Because that's exactly what's happening.
So, what better way to get people into the theater, anyway?
Given that we already know some of the interesting things that are touched on in the film, the story, not where there's a reaction and all that, we know they deal with the Martians as the progenitors of humankind.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's no secret.
I mean, they hold up the DNA strands and everything, so it's no secret.
We were there, you know, years ago, folks.
That's what the money is.
Mars is a city on the edge of forever.
The book I wrote covering this entire investigation For the last 22, 25 years, details, with the evidence to support it.
So, you know, the only thing they can do to really put it over the top, the only thing De Palma could do, a la his brother, remember, Bruce De Palma, his brother, who works so closely with us, who I debuted at the United Nations in terms of his stunning physics experiments, which confirmed in the lab the hyperdimensional physics model we developed on Cydonia.
There's another report, which Should I wait till Thursday to let David tell you directly or should I give it away tonight?
We have some very important news regarding, first-person news regarding Bruce De Palma, who will tell you from a first-person testimony on Thursday night.
So there is a critical piece of evidence that there was a very close relationship in Bruce's final days on this planet before he died between these two brothers.
And that can only mean, in a logical way of thinking, That Brian De Palma is looking to history and not to NASA, and maybe has risen to the occasion in a way that will make us all very proud come Friday night.
This just is all impossible, and I just really can't put my finger on... Well, you know what's really impossible is, you know, you've obviously forgotten, but when I think back where I was precisely one year ago tonight, in an emergency room, You know, with tubes stuck in me.
I remember, yeah.
Wondering if I was going to be around to see anything like this.
Heart attack, yeah.
This is kind of interesting.
Totally unpredictable.
Totally.
Well, I wonder, Richard, if you'd kick the bucket then, whether at the end of this movie it would have said, for Richard.
Sorry.
I think I'd rather stick around and write the ending myself.
Yeah, I hear you.
Or interpret the ending, or whatever.
But, of course, you did write the book all those years ago, The Monuments of Mars, which, by the way, people can still get.
If you want to see the original research, it's in Monuments of Mars, and how do they get that, Richard?
Well, you can do several things.
You can log on to Enterprise Mission, and you just follow the links, and it will take you to ship stores, and you can get the book there.
It's also distributed all over the country in major bookstores.
It's on Amazon.com.
Just log on to Amazon.com and, you know, type in Monument Mars in the search.
And it's apparently bumped up to some very high numbers.
Amazon has something like 250,000 titles.
Oh, they do.
And we're somewhere on the first 10,000 now.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
Somebody's been buying a lot of Monuments of Mars.
And in particular, the numbers appear to have climbed in the last few weeks as this film has made its way through the radio and on the Internet and all that.
And I can imagine that people, after they see the film, would not want to see the real story.
Read the real research.
All the players, all the scientists... Oh, wait a minute, Richard.
I got another one.
What if... Try this out for science, Richard.
What if De Palma made the change and NASA okayed it?
Slim chance, I admit, but I imagine... Well, no, no, no, no, no.
You're on to something.
Because remember, we've said for a long time that there are two contingents in NASA.
That's right.
In other words, the contingent that you talk of as the other, or the dark side, winked and said, do it.
Well, no.
It's the bright side.
It's the ones that know and have been too afraid to speak up.
Well, I know, but the dark side would have to be Winkin'.
At least Winkin'.
No, they would have to be snookered.
In other words, what they would then have done would be to do two endings.
One that these guys approved.
Yeah, and one they didn't.
Here to be safe.
And then one which blows the doors off.
Remember, it says, on March 10th, the conspiracy will be exposed.
Well, the only way it can be exposed is if somewhere in the film you say, hey folks, there's been a conspiracy for the last 30 years.
Keep this under wraps.
Yup, yup, yup, yup.
And of course, the bigger picture is that what this story is telling us is that we are from Mars.
We are descendants of, or creations of, because I haven't seen the movie yet, I don't know, whatever, Martians!
Yep.
That the DNA that is everything we are came from over there!
Which I think I said pretty much on Fox about a year ago during the Lost Tombs special.
In other words, that's where our research has been leading us, in the inexorable direction that somehow we, the quote, Martians, are inextricably connected some way.
What this film has done with 120 million bucks is to basically put on the widescreen, with a hell of a lot of special effects, a sterling cast and a director who has disappeared.
I don't know, the whole thing.
is really intriguing, which is probably exactly what they intend for it to be.
Well, you know, if ever the comment was appropriate, it's certainly now.
Stay tuned.
Stay tuned.
Right.
Richard, one last quick question.
It's got to be quick.
We got those rotten, stinking pictures of the face on Mars.
That in no way resembled the pictures, the original Viking photos.
Since then, we've had a zillion really good pictures of Mars taken.
Oh, stunning.
Stunning, stunningly good in great detail.
How come we can't get Cydonia again with a good photo this time?
Why not?
Well, I have a feeling that if enough people go to see this film, and then, you know, tune into us as we discuss the contents and the various layerings of the real research embedded by De Palma in this, including all those 19.5s I've been telling you about, that we can then muster another campaign to demand of Dan Golden, and this is a huge success of the film, that we go back and get some more decent pictures of Sedona University.
Go back and take some more damn pictures, for heaven's sakes.
Absolutely.
Because, if you compare the quality Of what was taken a year ago in 98 in April.
And the quality of what he's been taking now and what he's been taking all over now.
What we could do now.
Right?
There's no comparison.
There's no comparison.
Somehow that camera works amazingly well, except when it's pointed at Sedonia.
All right.
Thursday, the next installment of this, somebody send me a pig before I go.
Thank you, Richard.
And I have one last thing to say.
It better be awful, awful quick.
Ant Doris, go to bed.
Later.
Ant Doris, go to bed.
I'm Art Bell.
All of you out there, don't you go to bed.
Hey, we've been babied pretty good with the weather lately.
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