Dr. Albert Taylor shares his research on out-of-body experiences (OBEs), including a 1993 transformative event that erased his fear of death, and counters skeptics like Art Bell by citing thousands of letters—95% positive—while acknowledging potential trickery from astral entities. He compares OBEs to accessing dark matter’s spiritual equivalent, emphasizing their uncontaminated nature post-reincarnation trials, though callers describe eerie hooded figures (since 1958) and fallen angels. Taylor’s book Soul Traveler 2: To Hell and Back ($8 paperback on Amazon) teaches OBE techniques like the "interrupted sleep method," but he warns against misinterpretations, urging caution while dismissing literal hell as a temporary vibrational state. Bell promotes Taylor’s work, linking OBEs to broader themes like internet security and the unseen forces shaping reality. [Automatically generated summary]
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This is supposed to be an unmarked interesting story for you.
In this first hour, I had received email on Project Echelon.
Now, this dovetails very nicely from last night's program.
I had received the email indicating that the gal who was on 60 Minutes, Margaret, I believe it's NEWSAKM, who is stationed at Menwith Hill in England, where Project Eton has a major listening post, whatever, would be on the program at 10 o'clock.
We had something you didn't know was going to happen, and it apparently is not happening.
Now, we talked earlier today, Margaret and I talked, and she said, look, there are some things I can say and some things that will put me in jail.
And so I've got to be careful what I refer to and talk about newspaper stories.
And I said, oh, that's fine.
You know, people can read between the lines.
But in calling her phone number now, the same number I spoke with her earlier tonight on, she's not there.
The answering machine that had been there is no longer there.
Now, I hope she's okay.
I'm not a fool.
I know that of all the people listened to or that Echelon would listen to, they probably have a full-time tracker on me.
Like the Trump trackers we were talking about last night.
I have a lot of phone lines and a lot of email and a lot of, you know, I'm very open.
So I'm sure that they heard what we were talking about.
And I'm not suggesting that anything untoward occurred because Margaret may well have had a flat tower and not been able to get home.
But then where would her answering machine be?
So that's what we were to do in the first hour.
I'll try it again in the break here shortly and see if I can reach her.
But I just think it a little odd.
She was very anxious indeed to get on the air.
I think it's a little odd that all of a sudden she is not there.
I would hope she didn't get the old traditional.
Never know.
Anyway, what else is going on in the world?
Well, that little six-year-old boy who killed a first-grade classmate told investigators Wednesday the shooting was an accident and he was only trying to scare the girl.
He used a stolen handgun that he apparently discovered loaded and lying around in a bedroom at the, in quotes, flop house.
I've shown it.
It's a.32 caliber pistol.
Just lying around in the flop house there.
I guess that could be.
Flop house, people come, people go.
Whether they're going to find the real owner of this thing, I don't know.
It was stolen, huh?
And somebody who perhaps flopped there, left it there, or had it hidden there or something, and he got hold of it.
Maybe hard to trace, huh?
And then if that's not enough, I'll tell you, I just, I don't know what's going on in this country, but the next story down is Pennsylvania gunman kills two and then surrenders.
They were covering that non-stop on CNN earlier today.
A gunman apparently flew into a rage.
Wednesday, shooting a maintenance worker at his apartment in Pennsylvania.
Customers at two fast food restaurants near Pittsburgh did surrender to police during a hostage standoff.
Two people were killed, three critically wounded.
Ronald Taylor, 39, arrested in an office building after he kept police at bay for about two hours, holding four or five people in wheelchairs, hostages at a senior hospice center.
So it's madness.
Absolute madness.
And you can turn on the TV, it seems like, just about any day now and see the madness.
Well, Stuplifying Tuesday is coming.
And politics is hot.
Although the talking heads on television appear to be declaring Al Gore the winner, pretty much.
And I guess the debate they had was kind of a not such an interesting debate.
Apparently, the Democrats, seeing the handwriting on the wall, decided that it would be of no use to have Al Gore and Bradley at each other's throat, you know, when it's kind of a foregone conclusion what's going to happen.
Because that just helps the other side.
So they took it easy on each Other tomorrow night, it'll be McCain and Bush on CNN where Larry King would normally be, and I doubt they'll take it easy.
So that'll be a raucous session, I'm sure, tomorrow night.
And the House has passed a law allowing 800,000 senior citizens between 65 and 69 to work without fear of losing Social Security benefits.
The vote was 422 to nothing, and the President says he's going to sign.
So that means that penalty will go away.
And seniors then, if they want to, they can work.
They're not going to lose the benefits that they earned.
That seems logical to me.
All right, let me take a break here and see if perhaps I can reach of Margaret now.
And if not, why, we'll do a little more and then simply open lines and worry a little bit about Margaret.
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Margaret Although I must say, that's really very, very odd.
I spoke with the gal on 60 Minutes, who appeared on 60 Minutes earlier in the day, as I mentioned, and we talked on the phone about Project Echelon.
Somebody sent me a list of all the echelon keywords.
And so as I always do, and particularly in a conversation with this lady, who was a very nice lady, she had an answering machine, and she got the message, called me right back.
Said, oh, yes, liked to go on, worried some about what she could and couldn't say, but knew how to stay safe.
I mean, she referred to articles, things already in print, that sort of thing about Echelon.
Said that way she can stay out of trouble.
And now she's not there.
And the phone doesn't answer.
And the answering machine doesn't answer.
She's just not there.
That's odd.
Hope she's okay.
So, maybe we should be thinking more about this echelon thing, not less.
So they can listen to telephone conversations, baby monitors, cordless telephones, monitor your email, and any form of communication you do whatsoever, a corded phone, even one plugs into the wall.
If you're communicating electronically, the government can be listening.
Now, could there be such a big deal about this that she would decide it was in her best interest after somebody had spoken with her not to have a talk here on the air tonight?
She was very anxious to have that talk earlier.
Very anxious.
So, Tonya, weird.
And here's another, well, maybe it's not weird, not me.
Maybe Matt Lauer.
It's from ENN News, Daily News.
And the person who sent this story to me said, hey, are it catching up to you?
Headline, Little Ice Age Holds Big Climate Clues.
This really is interesting.
Chemical signals from two of the largest volcanic eruptions in human history have allowed scientists to refine, now listen very carefully, refine the chronology of an ice core taken from a Wyoming glacier.
The refined chronology indicates an abrupt end to the Little Ice Age.
Now, Paul Schuster, a hydrologist with the U.S. Geological Survey in Boulder, Colorado, said, and he'd be qualified, wouldn't he, I quote, now that we have documented a quick climate change in the past, there's no reason not to believe that it will not occur in the future.
So obviously he's saying that if it occurred once and they have now confirmed that it occurred once, something we talked about in the book that a lot of people got upset about, that there can be a very rapid climate change.
Now all of a sudden, here we have, let's see, a hydrologist with the U.S. Geological Survey in Boulder, Colorado saying, well, guess what?
It now looks like quick climate change can occur.
I will continue to try Margaret just in case, by the way, you know, here at the bottom of the hour.
And then there's this.
Hello, Art.
I was watching the 12-noon newscast today on our local ABC affiliate in Nashville when a weatherman put up a chart that he had done.
You know, it showed the average temperatures for the winter months during the last 10 years, and 18 were above normal.
18 years.
And so he ended his weather report by saying, no, it's not your imagination.
It really is heating up out there.
So there you have it.
It's not your imagination.
It really is heating up out there.
I've got something that I want to try here, just for the fun of it.
The number will probably be busy, but I've always wanted to do this, and now they've given me the number.
I'll tell you what it is in a second, because I don't want somebody else to get it first.
I'm not going to give out the number because a million people would call it, but the number I just called is that phone booth you've heard about.
It sits out in the middle of the Mojave Desert.
It's just a phone booth by itself.
And for some reason, as an urban legend, almost, the fact of that lonely phone booth out in the middle of the Mojave Desert has spread worldwide.
Worldwide.
And there's people that camp out by this phone booth.
Why do they camp out there?
Just to talk to whoever rings the phone booth.
And people from all around the world are ringing the phone booth.
Just to talk to whoever might be there waiting for it to ring.
Now, you just heard it was busy.
Are we a nation of people with too much time on our hands, or what?
When support, on the one hand, is somebody camping by a telephone to talk to people who are calling from all around the world, not knowing who's going to be on the other end.
I mean, you consider their side of it from a social point of view, their behavior, camping out there.
And then you consider people like me who will pick up the phone and call to see who's on the other end.
Just because you can do it.
Kind of twisted on both ends, if you ask me.
But I was curious, so somebody sent me the number.
I don't want to give that out on the air or I'll never get through.
So there you have it.
Let's begin taking some calls, shall we?
Oh, by the way, this is kind of interesting and may relate to a topic we're going to be talking about here in a few minutes.
Headline is computer tycoon to give MIT $350 million, that's a lot of money, to study the mind, to really and truly go where no man has gone before.
Inside the human brain, we understand so little about the human brain, and it is such an interesting place inside our own heads that this tycoon has willed his money.
What a great purpose, don't you think?
$350 million?
A better than a quarter billion dollars to study the human brain, the mind?
Good place, buddy, to leave your money.
And that's quite a bit of money, and they'll be able to do a lot of very serious research.
What I say, so that we get our stories straight here, is that, yes, there was an incident that occurred years ago with that board, and it's the one thing that I will not talk about on the air.
And I was trying to get a hold of you then to tell you about my ghost because this has not yet happened.
But it's just something that, you know, I've been hearing things and I'll be looking into the screen of my computer, my machine, and I'll see stuff in the screen that's not really there.
But tonight, you know, I couldn't say, well, it was a muscle spasm or I got, in the upper back, I got hit so hard it actually made me stumble while I was walking.
You know, I, what do you figure your odds are of making it through 30 days?
Just a dress.
Um.
I mean, if this is, if we're right, I mean, because I believe in that kind of thing, cause and then relationship cause, when something happens, you know, Occam's most likely answer, even though we're talking about a ghost here that kids kicked off at you you understand yeah angry with you very Very displeased with you?
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Ironically, you would say that because the first time that I brought up quitting was about when everything started.
But my question, the whole reason I call it is, I tried to get a hold of you anyway, but I would call it because I want to know, can these things really physically move you?
No, but I mean, it's something that you've got to consider on the one side with all that's happened, while on the other side considering whether your boss can get a replacement in their real brain or not.
Well, you know, as I told the fellow who called, you can imagine what I detailed for him occurring, or you can imagine that he works out the month, or you can imagine that he gets the hell out of there.
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Well, I have a solution for that, Actually, what that is that we are all part of the same spirit.
So, if he believes that that spirit is nothing more or less than he is, then any effect that it has on him is actually him affecting himself.
A lot of cause members out there could consider what Fritz just said.
They would have a way to contact him right away.
Thousands of cause members out there.
So, yeah, he's right.
He really does deserve some help.
And, you know, doing what he does, pro bono, with his own money, whatever he can scratch up as an attorney, that's quite a thing to do.
Because otherwise, as an attorney, you could be, you know, as you well know, if you know attorneys, you could be making a lot of money.
You could sure be making a lot of money.
That's something he's doing, and he's doing it really for you.
So I agree with Fritz that we should be supporting Peter Gersten.
And rock and roll, let's see what happens.
They're going to come back with something that's going to put them in the hole, you mark my words.
They're going to have to come back and they're going to say, national security, sorry.
Or they're going to have to come back and say, ooh, we found a file.
There does seem to be a file.
Sorry about that.
I don't know.
I can't wait to see what they come back with myself.
So anyway, that's the end of the first hour.
And in the next hour, coming up just in a moment, is going to be the man who will tell you about going outside your body and more.
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I told her that I loved her She won't stay till who knows when But I guess she couldn't understand it When I said I wanna be yours Albert Taylor of Soul Traveler fans is upset.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 1st, 2000.
I wonder what she's doing tonight.
Ah, ah.
We're so close, but we should be closer.
And it's making me feel so sad.
But I tell myself I didn't lose her.
Cause you can't lose a friend you never had.
Come on now.
Cause a friend won't say it's over.
And go out, ask for a spy.
And now I wonder what she's doing tonight.
Ah.
Ah.
Be it sight, sand, smell, or touch, there's something inside that we need so much.
The sight of the touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak we roots deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again, or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in the meadow and hear the grass sing, to have all these things in our memory's hoar, and we use them to come to us to come to us to come to us.
Yeah!
Why, why this is all with this place on this strength, just for the end.
Why, take a free ride, take my place of my sea, it's all free.
I worked on the strength for years.
Worked so hard just to end my fears.
I do it by life, you know that I do.
But by now, by now, I shall have a cross.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in time.
Tonight's program originally aired March 1st, 2000.
And they're having record hot temperatures for February.
Record hot.
The headline is a close second for dead heat.
And there's a whole article about how hot it is in Australia.
Just in case you thought we were the only ones noticing, I thought I'd drop that in.
It's kind of a puzzle we're trying to put together here.
Once again, Dr. Albert Taylor, welcome back, Albert.
Thank you.
You know, somebody, going back for a moment, regressing for a moment, somebody reminds me that about three weeks ago, maybe a little more now, we tried to fire something from California and shoot it down over the Pacific, and we missed.
And so then they had a second test, and we reportedly destroyed whatever it was.
Well, what's interesting about SDI, it's multi-layered.
So you don't just have one type of vehicle, one type of thing to knock out a target.
You have even like third, fourth, you know, phase vehicles that can actually still do the same job.
So we have kinetic kill, we have the particle, we have this part of the kinetic kill would be this coil lightning, which is really fascinating.
It's this thing that when it gets close to the missile, it expands to this giant spherical coil, maybe about, I don't know, 20 feet in diameter, and it just slices through whatever it's heading toward.
And then there's another vehicle that I really found fascinating.
I can't remember the name of it right now, but I remember when we were testing it that it's capable of actually hovering in not only in Earth's atmosphere, but, you know, it can hover in a room, which is fascinating.
And that thing can move laterally and forward and all of that to home in on its targets.
Whoa.
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yeah incredible i have a fact i was in what kind of uh...
That's what it sounds like, except it's definitely controlled in each one of the nozzles, which point out in all different directions so that it's capable of moving three-dimensionally.
Fire, depending on what the system is telling it to do, and all three of the nozzles are throttlable.
It's really fascinating.
I can't remember the name of the vehicle, though.
But, you know, I know you love this stuff, and I have tons and tons of stuff, so I'm just going to go through, and I'm going to get you a little care package, and I'm going to send it to you, Art.
It's going to be some really nice stuff to look at.
And, you know, it's funny because I do this once in a while.
I'm in the Grassy Knoll on AOL.
And one of the members in there asked me, he mentioned the Audi Murphy movie, To Hell Him Back.
And that's exactly what inspired their title, is the Audi Murphy movie, To Hell Him Back.
And the reason I even selected that subtitle, because that's the subtitle, the title is Soul Traveler 2.
But the subtitle is because of our conversations and how so many people believe in a hell.
And all of my experiences, and I've had tons on the non-physical side, I haven't seen any traces of a hell.
But I can say this, since my life is on both sides of the line, you would say, the non-physical and the physical, the closest thing to hell that I have experienced has definitely been in the physical body, and I would say, is a definite result of my book, Soul Traveler.
That's what that is all about.
It is about the hell that Soul Traveler, that wonderful little diary that I started so many years ago, has really dragged me through, so to speak.
Well, you know, I had this weird idea that somebody would be interested in reading this information and what I've discovered about the night paralysis.
Yes.
Even though my wife at the time, I was married at the time, thought that everything was great.
She was supportive as long as I didn't get carried away, like quit my job, you know, that kind of thing.
So I had this idea.
I really felt it deep, deep down in my soul that I wanted to get this book out there for the people to read.
And it came to the point where I had to make a decision between Aerospace and this book.
And I chose the book.
Totally disrupted my home life.
Wrecked it, as a matter of fact.
Next thing I knew, I found myself in divorce court pretty much with the book was about all I got out of the divorce.
And I'm sitting there thinking, okay, well, then I'm just going to try to market this spiritual book the best I can.
And I got a distributor, which was one of the top five distributors in the United States, which was Atrium at the time.
They've since then gone defunct.
But here the book was beginning to sell.
And this was before you and I contacted each other.
You contacted me.
Here I was waiting for this money.
I sold about maybe equivalent of $100,000 worth of books, which would have paid for my printing bill and paid for my rent and probably started supporting me a little bit.
And I was waiting for the mail to come, standing out there.
The mailman came and then there was this wonderful envelope with HPM on it.
And I thought, ah, my check is here.
I'm surviving since I left aerospace.
I opened up the envelope and inside was a letter saying that we're sorry, but because the times have been gone rough, that we're going bankrupt with all of your money, and we may be able to pay you 10 cents on a dollar at some future date.
So I put it in there, and that was the best thing I've ever done because you and I would not be speaking if I hadn't done that.
But AOL was going to cut off my email account because I couldn't pay them even.
And I'm sitting there, and all I had was I had a little, I'd just gotten back from a little bit, a tour, a California tour, bookselling tour, where I spent literally my last bit of savings that I had to go around and speak to Barnes and Ober in these different bookstores all over the place.
And I spoke at this one little tiny little bookstore in Fresno, I believe it was Fresno, California, where it was about maybe 25 people or so there.
This woman jumped up in the middle of my lecture, which was real strange, and interrupted the lecture and started telling me about a party she was going to.
And I listened to her for a while, and then that trip ended.
And I thought nothing of that lady jumping up and doing that.
And I was kind to her, and I gave her a book, and she left.
So I came home, and two months later, I was sitting here with all these eviction notices and all that.
And I sat there because, now this is where the spiritual part comes in.
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, and it has nothing to do with my belief art.
I know that I have had experiences out of body, in my soul, with a non-physical entity that I think is like an angel.
And it's not about me trying to convince anybody.
That is a part of my reality now, and it was something that I literally ran from.
One of the reasons that I use the word angel in this particular context is because I don't want to say higher self right now because we haven't even touched on that area.
But that's where people can kind of still understand where I'm headed and what kind of being or entity I'm kind of talking about.
I can go into further and really tell you what I really feel this thing is, but I think angel, for the amount of the description that I've given thus far in this conversation here, kind of still, people are still following me.
So we can explore that a little more and we can go back into what I really feel is this angelic-like thing, but not necessarily the angel type of thing that you would see in a lot of religions, the way they describe it.
But it still, to me, a rose by any other name still smells sweet.
So it doesn't matter what you call this thing.
It still has this particular function that is independent of what you believe.
And all I can say is, well, you know, I can say this, that I have more trust in this thing that has been assisting me and been there for me than I have ever had in any single thing on this planet.
Well, you know that thing that you travel with, your soul?
How do you know that in the desperation and the bottom where you say you hit, and obviously you were, I mean, the terrible place you were in, and then you have an encounter with an angelic being, and then things do begin to get better, which they did.
Okay, the one that convinces me, me personally, and not that I try to convince anyone else, because you can't do that with this kind of information.
I've mentioned in my book, in the chapter, A Relative Encounter, and that is, see, I never believed in ghosts and things like that until I started having these experiences.
And then I started having experiences with an aunt of mine who died back in 1982.
And I really doubted if it were really her.
And eventually, I came to accept that it really was whatever was left of what she was.
Well, she would get drunk and start talking about the deceased.
She was that type of person.
And after having these encounters out of body with this entity, I realized that there was no hell because if there was one, she would have been locked up in it.
See, this is what's fascinating about when you leave the physical body, either temporarily or as the result of trauma, like in a near-death experience.
A lot of things can happen.
So I truly believe that whatever she said, she experienced blacks.
Out of all the people who have had a near-death experience, most of them, except for Daniel, he's so fortunate, he's had three.
Most people have one.
One experience.
And usually they don't understand it at the time.
And maybe it was before the term near-death was coined.
And now they talk about it and spend years later on what they remember.
One of the things that I found that if I were to just tell you about my first out-of-body experience, and if that were the only experience I'd ever had, it would be totally wrong and totally based on fear and totally negative because I was so afraid and horrible things happened.
But I found out that a lot of the things that happened, I was creating.
Because when you get in that state, it's almost like becoming a genie.
Any kind of things you think about can manifest, but it doesn't mean that it's real.
It can just contaminate the out-of-body experience that you're having.
and when that happens all of a sudden your imagination because that's something that you really have to control in the out-of-body experience because you can really have a negative experience if your imagination runs amok but see what you're really preaching though Al Well, you know, what you're really saying is that, look, if you have a bad experience, it's all in your head.
There is no such real thing as a bad experience.
In other words, not really.
If you have had a bad experience, it's because you brought it on yourself or because the conditions were bad.
Well, I don't want to imply that I'm painting with a broad brush because that place is not devoid of life.
There are entities there at multiple levels of awareness and some at lower levels, especially the astroplane and the physical, who can play tricks and games with you.
So I can't say that all experiences, if you interpret it to be negative, are self-created.
But no, but I can't say this, that there are a lot of experiences that you can misinterpret, especially if you've only done it once or been there once, that you would definitely think were negative and real.
But it doesn't mean that it's real.
It's taking me, and this is why I say this, because here it is all these years later that I haven't had any more negative experiences once I understood how to control it.
So if there were something negative to experience, I still should be having them.
But that doesn't happen anymore.
And I talk to a lot of people who have had out-of-body experiences.
Bill Bullman is one of my dear friends.
And he also, once you get past that state where you stop throwing things in the mix, you start having what I call, and what he refers to also, as the pure, uncontaminated out-of-body experience.
And that's what I'm talking about.
If it's going to come up, if there was something there, it should come up.
I should have experienced that periodically.
But that hasn't happened.
So that's what I base that on, is the fact that I've improved myself and my understanding, and it seems to have affected my experiences 100%.
And if there were something negative art, believe me, I would share it because I don't want to mislead anybody.
I want To provide as much information on the table as possible for the individual to realize and accept or reject it if they choose to.
So I never try to convince anybody.
But what's wonderful about it is I get thousands of letters now as a result of your show, and I would say 95% of those, if not more, are all positive.
So if there's negative, then it's like worrying about having a car crash every time you get in your car.
Then I would look at, okay, well, every hundredth time a negative thing happens.
Like with the shuttle, I can honestly tell you, if we keep using the shuttle, there is going to be another catastrophic explosion because of the loss, the probability of a failure.
Well, okay, well, then why can't we also say that if Albert Taylor keeps leaving his body on a fairly regular basis, one of these days he's going to come back to it and try to get back in, and it's going to be all white and cold and dead.
Leaving the body is one thing, but then there's something that happens every once in a while when you leave the body.
And it's far more than just an activity.
And it happened to me for the first time, and I never even imagined it or even knew it was even possible.
It happened to me in 1993 in July.
I never, ever will forget it.
This is when I was leaving the body and thinking, okay, what do I want to do now?
I would go to friends' houses.
I would fly around and that type of thing.
But while I was hovering there in my bedroom, and it's in my book, this is what happened.
All of a sudden, I felt as if my consciousness was literally opened up and everything you could possibly want to know about anything was temporarily poured in.
I had this awareness that I had never, ever experienced.
And what happened was I suddenly realized who and what I truly was and who and why I really came here to experience this life as Albert Taylor.
And the thing about it is, what's the difference between what happened to me and a dream?
Is when I came back to the physical body, and I haven't had a near-death experience, but when I came back to the physical body after this experience, the fear of death has left me and has never ever returned.
And one of the things that I realized is, oh my God, after I started meeting all these people who had near-death experiences, they were talking about the exact same thing.
Well, suppose I were to suggest to you, playing devil's advocate, I like to say when I'm doing that, that these people who have had NDEs and now no longer fear death are delusional.
In other words, they've had a delusion.
They've had an experience that has convinced them, surely, in belief.
Well, look, I fail to understand how you can believe in a creator, how you can believe in angelic beings, and the basic good news of all that is without believing.
There is a yin, there's a yang, there's a good, there's a bad, there's a creator, there's probably an enemy of the creator.
I mean, why wouldn't all of that follow that if there is one, there would be the other?
Because in every other aspect of life, or even what we know about death, there is both.
Well, if it were not guided, then that probably would be something that I would have found out a long time ago.
Especially with all the trials and horrors and the little hell that my life has gone through the last three years.
Believe me, I was looking for my guide, for this being that's around me, to tell me what was around the corner before I got there because I really wanted to know.
But he didn't do that because I needed to go through these experiences to flex my own particular faith muscles.
I can tell you this, as a result of all these negative things that have happened to me, I am truly a better and stronger person physically and mentally and spiritually.
So those things had to happen so that I could get to this state, and I wouldn't trade this state for anything in the world.
Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 1st, 2000.
I had been on that tail of what I am Oh, please you need help Thank you.
My heart is on fire.
My soul's like a wheel that's turning.
My love is alive.
My love is alive.
Every year is something in Long ago in days of old,
there lived a knight who wasn't quite as bold as a knight should be.
He rode an old grey bear called best, searching for a damsel in distress just to see if he could be burnt in rusty armor to her side
with a rusty blade.
Up the tower steps he sneaked, but as he moved his rusty armor tweet Such a horrible note And all the centuries at the post You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 1st 2000.
Ah good morning everybody Dr. Albert Taylor is here and she's talking about out-of-body experiences and I'm giving him a hard time not because we don't actually we agree on more than we disagree on in other words I know I've done it.
You could definitely leave your body I just think there may be more possibilities with regard to end destination than Alba's.
That's all.
unidentified
I can't guess how the...
They do the married twins they came in to the barber ever made Has a kink,
once again Dr. Albert Taylor who's a really good sport Albert you're back on hi um you can understand then can't you when before I talk to you when I saw Soul Traveler 2 to Helenbach coming out in summer of 2001 I thought he's found out and you know and I picked that topic that subtitle for a very good reason because I am going to talk about in that book and I'm probably getting way ahead of my publisher who's going to call me tomorrow and tell me I should be talking about the
the re-packed that that that title is because in the actual plane there are areas that you can experience what people who are probably consider to be a hell all but it's not lucifer's hell it's not something that it it's always there and what is it god's hell and i don't know if i've ever and and and and we can't talk about you've been doing that through the out of our experiences versus when you die Those are kind of two different...
areas right because when you die what happens is the first thing you have and you don't usually have this during the out-of-body experience, is you have the panoramic past life review.
And that's where you see how you've affected and made everyone feel that you've ever encountered in your life.
Like Robert Monroe talked about in his book, where people were obsessed with the material world and things like that.
I would say that is probably where he is because that type of behavior in the physical body is not going to elevate your particular vibrational rate of your soul.
Well, let's say it's like that's where the kindergartners are.
That's where the repeaters or the young souls reside until they realize what earth life is really for and that earth life is really a school.
And earth life is here to help the individual to evolve and become self-aware.
And when you get closer to that kind of thing, like waking up spiritually, then it definitely dictates your behavior and you can increase your vibrational rate to higher levels even beyond the astral plane.
So that's kind of what we're talking about.
We're not talking about some place for eternal damnation.
And another thing is, you know, through these experiences, I truly believe in reincarnation for a lot of reasons.
And it's very difficult to believe in reincarnation and hell at this point.
I mean, that's a place to maybe regroup and reassess your recent experience here on earth.
But it's not a home, and you're coming back to, because the goal here is what is the meaning of life, is that we come here to evolve in one way or another.
That never changes.
So just because the body dies doesn't mean that that mission is over and wherever you got, that's where you're stuck at.
Well, one of the things I don't tell them unless they start asking me questions because I really don't want to preach or even give anybody any impression that I do try to preach my beliefs at all.
Generally, I can tell you this.
The questions that I get from these people on death row are questions that we should ask, each and every one of us should ask independent of a crime or something.
You know, like, what did I do in other, like this one question came from a guy, what did I do in other lives that brought me to this point that I needed to commit murder or hurt this individual?
Because what he said to me in his letter was after the actual crime was committed, he felt as if he watched someone else do it, and now he was someone different and very remorseful.
So he couldn't understand that what was guiding him to make this, to create, you know, to commit this heinous act.
Well, first of all, the panoramic past life review is pretty much the way it's the norm.
I mean, that's almost 95%.
Whatever individuals you've hurt in that life, and even it could go on for generations, if you've hurt one person and they go out and hurt another person and then their child does and on and on, you get to experience all of that.
Well, I don't think that that is true necessarily.
I think everything we do, we're not passengers.
We initiate action.
Karma, the definition of karma is action.
It could be positive or negative action.
Karma itself is not a negative thing.
So we have free will and because of whatever weaknesses we may have, desires, wants, or whatever, we can sacrifice those actions and instead of doing the right thing, we can try, because of those motivations, we can act negatively.
So that's something that we hold total responsibility for.
And just because an individual feels differently now after they've committed a heinous crime or an act doesn't mean that now I'm shrugging off all responsibility and the devil made me do it, like Flip Wilson used to say.
And I would come back, if nothing else, to assist as many people as I possibly can to try to discover their own self-awareness.
unidentified
Okay, now let me make an observation, if I can.
Sure.
My background is from a born-again belief.
And I've seen enough people who are possessed with the devil to know that what you see is nothing more than the spiritual actuality of dealing with demons.
So one of these days, what you've been seeing as this friendly little Casper guy is going to look more like something that was inalien with the jaws and the dripping stuff.
When I was sitting on that bed with all those eviction notices and all of that, I knew, I said to my guide or to this, whatever you want to call this being, I said, you know what?
I never believed in you.
And I was sitting in a room talking to, you know, by myself, talking aloud because I truly believe that they hear me.
I said, I never believed in you.
I didn't come looking for you.
You came looking for me.
I was satisfied in the life that I had as an aerospace engineer.
I said, so if you truly, and I've always felt this, if you truly want me to do this, this thing, then I need a miracle.
So, I mean, I went to bed, and I got up the next morning, and I went to my computer, and I opened my email, and I'm just scanning through the email because I knew American Online was going to cut off in about a week.
There was one email in there from an individual, and the email said, my name is Arbel, call me.
I opened up the email, and there was a phone number.
I thought it was a joke.
I called this phone number, and there was a guy who answered the phone who sounded just like you are.
I was convinced it was you.
And that was less than 24 hours after this prayer.
And I said to you, you told me that you got a fax.
I later found out that that woman in Fresno that got up and interrupted my lecture that one time was the woman that sent you a fax.
I spent my last few pennies on going on that tour.
And I'm glad I did because I never would have met that woman.
She never would have faxed you.
You never would have IM'd me, or I mean, I emailed me.
I never would have called you.
That day, you said, you asked me to be on your show, and I said, how long?
You said an hour.
We ended up doing the whole five-hour show.
That's right.
The next few weeks, my book went ballistic, and it changed my life for the better.
So you are definitely a part.
I just don't know what part you are or who's your mentor.
Well, I started having encounters with this thing that was, I guess people call it a being of light.
My first encounters terrified me.
When it spoke to me, everything it was rippled through me.
And the one thing that really bothered me more than anything is I felt emotionally naked.
Like it knew every little secret, every little part of me, crevice that in the real world, I could hide from people.
After I got past my fears of running from this thing, I began to accept it as maybe a spiritual guide or maybe some type of being of an angelic nature sent from a source or a creator or a God of some sort.
And then as I began to really become very close to this, because I truly, truly have a wonderful relationship with this thing, I realized that it wasn't this speaking in these and thou's and thou shalt and all that type of thing.
It started sounding a lot more like I would sound if I were highly evolved, let's say.
It had a sense of humor, which really caught me by surprise.
And I wrote about this in my paperback that's coming out next time, in April, in the epilogue.
And when I was on my way to Greece, I had an experience with this thing.
I was in New York that really changed my concept of what it was.
And it was because of something it said to me that it dawned on me, I mean, beyond a shadow of a doubt, oh my God, that's something I would say.
Not that he said something like me, I would say that.
with all i've said even though i know it's possible to leave your body i'm still not convinced that there may not be a negative aspect to it but i know it is possible and truthfully most people do report good experiences all that said the book soul traveler is the key to figuring out how to do it and that's uh that's al's book and i presume you can probably get it at uh amazon.com is that true yes definitely you can matter of fact you can go to uh um either your website
And you know, Art, the thing about it, and I really like to add this, is it's not about book sales to me because my book is also in the New York Library, the L.A. Library, so you don't have to buy my book.
You can go check it out for free.
I'm really interested about getting this information out there for people to use it.
I answer everyone individually because no one else can really, I don't give it to another person to do the job because no one else can really understand and share the information that these people are really asking for.
It's just that I have been forced into this horrendous corner, and I want everybody to know that, by the way, where I get like $1,200 maybe a day, $1,300, maybe on an average day, and there's no way I would need two other lifetimes.
And I can't turn my email over to anybody else, and I don't.
But there are some, like I have this one woman who has breast cancer who wrote me and she's inquiring about what's going to happen to her and what can she expect.
People like that, I respond right away.
I've gotten some people who are suicidal.
I respond immediately to them and I refer them to someone that can help them.
And specifically, I'd like to ask Dr. Taylor, I'd like to get his take on this to see if, to determine whether it wasn't indeed an out-of-body experience or whether it was a dream.
And basically, about four months ago, I had this out-of-body experience, or whatever it was, ironically enough, while I was listening to your show, because I tend to go to sleep to your show.
It's tough to be a scientist or in the experience.
But basically, this only lasted a couple seconds because I got up to about the ceiling and I started to drift back down a little bit faster than I drifted up.
And when I kind of went through the floor, but then I'm back to my bed, okay?
Okay, because it could have been, see, your astral arms and your physical arms.
They feel the same.
Until you look and see, then you'll realize, oh my God, I'm controlling something else.
So it may probably, I would say, probably your astral arms or your second body, as Robert Moreau would call it.
Because usually that's what happens to me is those arms and those legs of that second body are the first ones to start floating upward or dislodging, dislocating, or disassociating with the physical body.
unidentified
Yeah, this is one of the things that kind of led me to believe that it could very well have been an outer body source.
Because when I started exploring, when I started to try to figure out slowly what was going on with my body, I was moving my fingers.
And this is very slowly, very gradual, but when I moved my fingers and finally I had controlled my arms, they were flat down next to me on the bed, not above me.
Make a short experience and find out what Al's take on this is.
15 months without electricity, most of the time no gas, several times no water, and house in foreclosure.
I had an awful dream one night, and in this dream, in the upper left-hand corner, if you were watching a TV screen, a person appeared, and I know who the person was, dressed in all kind of like beige, holding something in one hand and one hand outstretched towards me and a very, very beatific smile on her face.
And this happened once before, but I did not validate it.
The second time I did told people about it.
Four days later, I received confirmation that a loan that I had applied for came through, and my life is now back in order.
Each one of us has this thing that is looking out for our well-being.
Kind of like we're the kids playing in a sandbox and the teacher is standing over the yard making sure we don't hurt ourselves.
Every one of us, I didn't believe it, but everybody who's had these kind of beyond the physical experiences reports a presence or some being of some sort being there.
This person had died a rather unfortunate death, and I have been very unhappy about her death for a long time, and I all of a sudden feel a lot better now.
You guys have been touching on a lot of stuff that directly impacts my ever-changing worldview.
Well, actually, in fact, the truth behind the entire paranormal field and the truth behind the ETUFO phenomenon is also crucial to my worldview.
But actual projection and the things that you're talking about tonight are kind of interesting to me because I've had several people close to me tell me about some things that I'm fairly skeptical of.
And in particular, I've also talked to some remote viewers who ultimately didn't convince me, but they said some really interesting things.
But I still remain skeptical of the whole thing.
But instead of getting to all that and instead of debating a lot of...
I come from an ex-Protestant background, so I really enjoyed your joke, Art, about how do you know you're not being bamboozled by an entity.
But instead of getting into...
Oh, no, and I kind of laugh.
I was laughing along, but it was one of those half-nervous, half-serious kind of laughs.
I describe it as having lost my faith about three years ago, but.
Well, Al Bashant was making me part of it, which sobered me up a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah, actually, I mean, you've had past guests on before, like, oh, I found the show with John Hoag really, really interesting because I'm not into Nostra Dhammas or anything like that, but some of the things that two of you were revealing about your backgrounds, about his ex-Protestant background, and it was like, I'm like, they understand.
there's that nervousness, like you're an agnostic, you're in the middle ground, but you're just not sure what to believe.
And instead of talking about all kinds of Christian notions of like supernatural or satanic conspiracy theories, which we could talk about all night, because in fact a lot of what Mr. Taylor was saying tonight, some of these new agey-type messages do jibe well with a lot of the conspiracy theories that I was kind of taught back in my Christian days.
Things about how Satan would love to get people to believe that how the greatest trick he could pull would be to get people to believe that he doesn't exist.
Or even things like not fearing death, because if you don't fear death, then you don't worry about this eternal rewards and punishments and all that kind of stuff.
And again, we could talk about body experience as such, a generic OBE, in other words, rising out of your body, maybe like the guy was talking about here on the phone a little while ago, being above the bed.
That would not necessarily lead you to believe to suddenly stop fearing death, to lead you to believe that there is an existence after death, because you would have to conclude logically in your own mind that insofar as that experience was concerned, it's a function of a normal human living brain.
Well, that plus on, like I said, in July of 1993, I had that, and some people call it a Kundalini experience.
I didn't know what it was.
All I knew is all of a sudden, my limited awareness that I thought was really broad was expanded so much and affected me so profoundly.
I had this, I really, and this is the best way I can describe it, Art, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt I was home.
I knew it, and I still do.
That's what really did it for me.
I knew that's where I originally came from.
And to answer the caller as far as not fearing death, what it has done is I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that when this body dies, I'm going to be accountable for the life that I've lived.
So it makes me very, very much aware of everything I do.
I don't take anything I do for granted because I truly know that I'm going to have to answer to somebody, if not to my higher self, on how I live this life.
So to me, and I wasn't a religious person at all in any way, shape, or form.
This has really affected me regarding something beyond just me.
So no matter how much you want to fight, someone, I'm in the grassy know art.
I was telling you.
Someone asked me how it was the longest that I've ever stayed out of body.
And three hours is tops because I've tried longer, but the body keeps, it has this recall thing where it pulls you back no matter if you want to stay out or not.
You don't have to worry about being trapped outside.
When you see the body, it's almost like a vacuum cleaner.
It just sucks you right back in.
unidentified
It did, and I tried to find it.
But what was strange, I did not see a silver cord that so many people talk about.
And what you described, it rarely happens because what you're talking about is borderline what someone experiences in the near-death experience, almost like a panoramic view.
You only experience a positive thing, which is great, but a lot of people talk about the caustic records, and that's supposed to be a record of everything we've ever done in this life and any other existence.
And I truly believe that you can get glimpses of this at a super state of consciousness, and that may be exactly what happened to you and what you did experience.
You know, it's interesting that you would say that because to me, going to sleep is like dying a little bit every day.
Because we definitely go into almost a comatose state.
And a lot of things, if you read the Bible, a lot of people have had incredible visions and dreams and angel visitations during dreams.
Joseph, the father, Mary's husband, had dreams of what he needed to do.
So, yeah, I think in a way we need to die a little bit every day.
And hopefully, if we can reconnect with our spirit, maybe just a little bit of a time, a little dose every day, then it'll affect how we live in our waking state and how we treat one another.
unidentified
I think it also says after death comes judgment.
What Daniel Brinkley describes as panoramic life review sounds an awful lot like judgment.
When you think about it, this, though, this is what I think is really interesting about the near-death experience panoramic life review, is that the judgment doesn't appear to be coming from anyone external to you.
It comes from you within looking at yourself, which is tougher than anything.
Because you realize with the mistakes and errors that you've made.
I think there's a part of us that knows the truth and is pure.
And like I said, because of the personality, the earthbound personality, the five senses and the ego, that kind of contaminates it a little bit and causes us to do things contrary to what our soul would want us to do.
I hope this morning finds you as well as it does me.
Okay.
And actually, first off, listening to your biography, I wanted to say you remind me of an older version of myself who's not that old.
I'm only 20 myself.
Okay.
So I can guarantee you're older because you got like two doctorates.
But my question is, like, since this is a topic that's always intrigued me, is it possible that you could give us a few tips of how to accomplish shared body experience?
The most valuable piece of information that I can possibly offer you, and it works for me eight out of ten times, which is about 80%, is what I found is that normally, see, this has been happening to me naturally since I was five.
So what I did is I didn't try to have an out-of-body experience.
I tried to find out why I was having out-of-body experiences.
And what I found out, that I had more out-of-body experiences on nights that I didn't sleep the whole night through, that I didn't go into a deep, deep, deep sleep.
So what I decided, I found that I would have them a lot when I like, I would go to bed at night and then wake up with a little bit of insomnia around 1 o'clock and then stay up for a little while, then go back to bed.
And within a half hour to an hour after going back to bed, that's when I would have these experiences.
So what I did is I set my alarm clock one night to wake up about 1.30 in the morning.
I woke myself up.
I got out of the bed.
I listened to Art, which almost put me back to sleep now.
Then I went back to sleep and I laid there perfectly still.
Now what I found out is that the physical body still requires about two to four more hours of sleep.
And if you lay perfectly still, it will fall asleep by itself.
Just like if you've been really tired while driving down the highway and no matter how you try to concentrate, you nod out just for a brief second.
Well, you're doing this in a very controlled and safe place, like laying in your bed, and the body will fall asleep.
Now, what happens, though, because you've interrupted the sleep pattern, the consciousness or the soul awareness, if you want to call it that, stays very, very alert.
So when the body falls asleep, that's when you usually people report finding themselves in that night paralysis state.
So I recommend in my book, it also talks about and describes how to do this, it talks about what I call the interrupted sleep technique, and that's where you interrupt your sleep pattern, wake up, and then when you go back to bed, lay perfectly still, and there is an 80% chance that you will truly have an out-of-body experience.
I live my life as interrupted sleep, as a matter of fact.
And for the most part, the only thing it does for me is cause me to dream like crazy, Albert.
I've never, well, I've had the warning signs of the beginning of an OBE, but I've really, other than what occurred in Paris, which was unmistakable, the rest of the time it's caused me to just dream like crazy.
Well, if they're going to come and fool you and be full of light and sweet words, then how are you going to know?
unidentified
I know because of what?
When you've experienced the power of the Holy Spirit, which comes from God, there's a difference between that and the creepy, crawly feeling you get up the back of your neck when you see one of those in the dark.
There's a big difference.
And I've never gotten the feeling that I've had when I've experienced the Holy Spirit when I've seen demons.
And I see demons often.
I can see that.
Just like your guests can see things.
If you're open to the spirit world, you can see things.
And this is the difference between what you're sharing with me and what I'm sharing with you is that it's not something I read.
It has nothing to do with what someone told me because I didn't believe in any of this stuff.
I'm not what you would say a religious person in any way, shape, or form.
I'm a scientist, and that's where I've been for a lot, a lot of years.
And I looked at this as just an experiment, and that's it.
I had no idea that it was going to change me spiritually, which it has.
It has made me more aware of who I am and brought me closer to the God that I truly, truly believe in.
So as a result of that, if you look at the, you know, they say, even if they say you will be judged by the fruits of your labor, if you look at the impact that it's had on me, I get letters from a lot of wonderful people who are out there discovering who they really are, and they're using this knowledge to go out and assist other people and to really do things like Daniel, for instance, where he's involved in hospice programs, where he believes that no one should die alone.
I can't see that being a negative thing.
Me, myself, I've been involved in the hospice, and I've been involved in feeding the homeless.
And if there was ever a time anybody would want to leave their body, that definitely would be it.
i've never managed i've always i've always felt that little i've you ever had a root canal but even if you've been and that's a big you know have good anesthetic they take this will say you know they don't call a root canal for nothing actually You can feel it going down inside.
And then when they think they've got it in far enough, they get out.
And the root comes out with it.
So if ever there was a time to be out, oh, your body, that certainly would be it.
Albert Taylor is here, and he'll be right back.
Here's Al Taylor once again, Dr. Al Taylor.
And caller, you're back on the line again.
unidentified
Hello.
Hello.
Yeah, he was name-dropping Daniel Brinkley about the great work with the hospices and people feed the poor.
But my question was specifically this, that I know, and you have stated this, Art, on your show, that when this sort of event occurs, there's a tremendous amount of fear.
And the point is, I have seen, just as your guests, hooded, black hooded beings, I have talked to Brad Seiger on your show and Speaking Wind and all these people that these beings seem to be always present there.
And I want to ask him, why are these beings present there?
You know, the old guy, which you call the monks, they also wore hoods.
So, you know, I think it's more of maybe possibly, it could be negative, but just because you wear a hood doesn't mean it's negative, because there are a lot of people who do do that.
I don't know what it symbolizes.
I think it's interesting, but it's only happened once out of 100, so it's in a very, very small percentage of my experience.
See, I wasn't sure whether I should be talking to Dr. Taylor or whether I should be talking to Whitley Streeber.
The second problem that I had, the second weird happening that I had, we had moved away from the house that this happened in, and we moved into another place.
And I was laying down on the bed one night, had a bed couch pulled out watching TV.
Well, I decided it's time to go to bed.
I closed up the bed couch.
I walked up the stairs.
I got in bed upstairs.
Now, I hear the doorbell ring.
The next thing I know, I'm standing beside the bed couch again.
Because I really do believe that there has been some abductions from things we can't explain, possibly extraterrestrials or whatever.
I do believe that there are some cases like that.
I also do believe that some people confuse some of their out-of-body experiences and visitations with like abductions.
So what you experience, I'm not saying putting it in either category, but it does sound like something that Whitley would talk about.
But because of the fact that you said you went to bed and then you realized that you hadn't gone to bed, that sounds like a classic out-of-body experience where when you're in your astral body, it really feels like you're in your physical body.
And you'll walk around and you'll even sometimes go into the bathroom as if you're going to use the bathroom.
And then all of a sudden you find that you never did any of those things.
So yours is borderline and I would have to know a little bit more about it to really understand it.
And they report later he died peacefully in his sleep.
What do they know?
Okay, so if you're out of your body and you start having an immediate, you know, terminal condition, then what favor is done by snapping back into that?
the other but we're talking black tunnel here not warm welcome well comforting light with relatives around what i think the thing about it is that you know What we're really talking about here is your feelings.
Well, you know, it's an experience that we have no conscious memory of.
So it's very new.
We don't know what's going to happen.
It's like being on a roller coaster and you're coming to the edge of a cliff.
You don't know what's down there.
So that's when you start feeling all that exhilaration and that fear.
But after many, and I believe me, I was a big scary cat.
I mean, I stayed, the first few times, I literally jumped out of my bed, I picked up all my covers, and I went into the den and I stayed up all night long.
But I, believe me, I understand fear.
But after going to that door and checking it out many, many times, I became more relaxed and I realized that the only negative experience I ever had was the fear that I brought into it.
Well, like I said, if something negative happened to you, then I would tend to think that maybe there was an entity that you had an encounter with that didn't have designs in your own best interest.
But because you felt that way, one of the things I found out about feelings is that when you're in that state, you are open up to positive and negative feelings, and they're going to be more intense than you've ever felt in your life.
So if you feel love, it's going to be the most intense love you've ever felt.
But if you feel fear, it's going to be the most intense fear you've ever felt more than you feel in the physical body.
If I repeat it and it comes out a certain number every time I repeat it, then I don't go looking for other answers until something pops up to indicate that it's justified.