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	Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
	From the high desert of the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning, wherever you may be, across this great land of ours.
	Stretching from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands in the West, commercially, to the Caribbean and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands in the East, South America in the West, the Pole in the North, And worldwide on the internet, and yes, we are back on streaming audio, and I think you're gonna really like it.
	It is an improvement, there is no question about it.
	More of the great gods of bandwidth have granted us more.
	So, the audio should sound a little bit better.
	Check it out, if you wish, with your computer.
	It's great.
	Just before I opened the microphone, I took a big gulp of coffee, and it went down the wrong way.
	I was barely able to do the open.
	I'm sure you've had that happen.
	I don't know what going down the wrong way means.
	I don't think it goes into your lungs exactly, so I'm not even sure what going down the wrong way means, but you know what I mean.
	All right.
	In the second hour, we're going to have Wayne Green here, editor of 73 Magazine.
	It's a ham radio magazine, and we are We're going to discuss some changes in ham radio, which is not an exactly a gigantically wide appeal item, I understand.
	So we'll keep that part of it short and then move on to other things.
	But there are some pretty big headlines in the world of ham radio.
	And I've got a lot of questions for Wayne.
	All right.
	So what's going on a lot?
	The Associated Press has named Rams Quarterback, Kerr Warner, as most valuable player in the whole NFL.
	Now, I wonder if they made that decision before the Eagles game.
	There's no way to know.
	But, I mean, you've got to give it to them.
	The Rams story, and certainly Kerr Warner's story, is amazing.
	Man, they have really, really, they picked up the NFL and just shook the hell out of it.
	I mean, just coaches and staffs gone left and right.
	Either win or you're dead meat.
	And there's a lot of dead meat in the NFL, I'll tell you.
	They really have been cleaning house, holy moly.
	The little boy from Cuba has to go back to Cuba.
	The U.S.
	government has decided they are going to send him back.
	I guess what they did was an interview with the natural father And determined that it was the proper thing to do, and a lot of people are very unhappy about that.
	In Miami, there are big demonstrations, and I'll tell you what, the Cuban vote is going out the window.
	But the Democrats, I think that's what the net effect is.
	You know, I'm not so sure they're making the wrong decision.
	I sure don't want to see him go back to Cuba.
	But he is the natural father.
	Now, if there was something wrong, or something drastically wrong with him, then I guess there would be a case not to send him back.
	But otherwise, he is the natural father.
	Tough and hard decision, but probably the right one.
	It's going to cost him a lot of votes, I'll tell you that.
	A lot of votes.
	In 1999, more people than ever before We actually set a record for people buying new cars.
	Did you get yours?
	Make that 16.9 million new passenger cars, pickups, minivans, SUVs, and so forth and so on.
	So, car companies are doing okay.
	As forecast last night on the show, Senator Kennedy has endorsed Gore.
	Usually, Kennedy waits until he sees who wins.
	Not this time.
	The Clintons, plural, for now, Hillary and the President have unpacked and spent their first night, maybe their only night, in their new $1.7 million home in New York.
	The President, of course, is going to have to go back to Washington while Hillary resides.
	She's going to run, of course.
	Somebody sent me a really funny little fax last night from one of my affiliates saying, Hey Art, have you heard about the new OSHA work rules?
	No smoking at home for people who work at home.
	They were going to make, they actually were going to make the same rules for people who have an office at home as for the workplace.
	And so they were going to just, they were going to come right into your home and Enforce whatever OSHA idiocy exists now.
	That's not all idiocy.
	I mean, some of it is safety regulation that's good, but my estimation, OSHA has been known to go out a little far on the limb time to time, and I don't want them in my home.
	I don't know about you.
	The latest carnage in the NFL, by the way, Mike Ditka canned by the New Orleans Saints.
	Mike Ditka, the legend.
	The only thing I would have to say here is that I know it's the top guy who is always responsible.
	That season, the coach goes.
	But it seems to me there does seem to be a need for more accountability, you know, like on the field, the players, that kind of thing.
	It's not always the coach.
	Ditka is one tough mother.
	I'll tell you.
	I just think sacking the coaches, just a preemptory sack, when there's a bad season is not necessarily the right thing.
	Sometimes, I'm sure it is, but I think they're a little quick on the gun in canning the coaches when they have a bad season.
	All right, the weather.
	The two storms which I told you about that devastated France last week, you will be astounded to learn.
	Destroyed upwards of 300 million trees.
	That's 300 million trees and that's from the National Forestry Office in France.
	It is According to the technical director there, quote, a catastrophe without precedent, end quote.
	Across the country, vast swaths of woodland have been smashed and or uprooted.
	From the orchards of Normandy, the great parks of Paris, to the vast plantations in the Northeast, three hundred million trees knocked down.
	I told you those were terrible, unprecedented Storms that really the meteorologists don't understand.
	They don't understand it yet.
	Here's a kind of an interesting email.
	Comes from Gary in St.
	Louis, MVP country.
	Hi Art, on tonight's local news here in St.
	Louis they showed a 10 to 15 second clip of a huge hailstorm Which was south of the equator in either Peru or Columbia, South America.
	The hail looked to be, get this, four to six inches deep.
	And firefighters there were having to hose down the hail in an attempt to meld it.
	It was commented here that they were in the middle of summer and that they ended up with ice on the ground.
	The ice looked more like snow, but it was very deep and covered everything.
	Everything.
	I'm getting reports of massive flooding in Brazil, similar to that which occurred in Venezuela.
	So far in Brazil, reports of 40,000 homeless.
	Can you any longer doubt?
	I don't think so, that the weather is changing.
	Ooh, by the way.
	As you know, shameless book plug time, but not so shameless really, As you know, Whitley Streber and myself have a new book out called The Coming Global Superstorm, and it got a big review in the New York Post today.
	It was really nice.
	Really nice.
	By Liz Smith.
	You probably know Liz Smith because I think she's syndicated all over the country, but we pulled this out of the New York Post.
	You can read it up online if you want to.
	I'll read you a little bit of it anyway.
	A 1999, says Liz Smith, was the most violent year in the modern history of weather.
	But so was 1998, 1997, and so was 1996.
	Anybody who glances at a weather report from time to time can see something extraordinary is happening.
	So write Art Bell and Whitley Streber in their new pocketbooks offering The coming global superstorm, which arrived to give me something new to fret over at the very moment I was just sighing in relief over no Y2K or terrorist havoc.
	She goes on, forget Stephen King.
	Bell and Streber have written the scariest poem ever.
	And they insist convincingly that it is not fiction.
	It's something that could happen and probably is happening.
	Well, It is, in part, fiction, of course.
	But, yes, Liz is correct.
	It may well, sadly, not be science fiction, and is, in fact, happening now.
	The weather is going bad, she goes on, because of a change in ocean currents, temperature and flow, and this will soon release meteorological energy from global warming.
	Now, she goes on and on and on.
	It's all very positive.
	I'm not going to read it all to you, but You're welcome to go up to my website and read for yourself.
	We've got a link to the New York Post.
	That was in... Let me see.
	Do they have a date?
	I think it was yesterday's post.
	No, I don't see a date here.
	It was yesterday's post, I think.
	Maybe today's.
	Now, the environment is indeed high on the platforms of several candidates for U.S.
	President, but their view on these issues of global warming vary widely.
	The Democrats, Bill Bradley and Gore, agree climate change is a major concern.
	Gore allows that, quote, there is overwhelming scientific consensus "...that human activity is contributing to global warming, which can lead to serious public health consequences and extreme weather."
	Bradley says it's a very serious problem that we need to confront without any further delay.
	The Republicans are a bit more skeptical about global warming.
	George W. Bush, believing global warming exists, but says both the causes and impact of this slight, he says, warming are uncertain.
	Senator McCain from Arizona, who recently posted a narrow lead over Bush in the polls, acknowledges that a growing number of scientists believe that global climate change is a real phenomenon, but adds the issue must be viewed as a scientific question, not a political question.
	Oh, I don't know about that.
	Steve Forbes, I've interviewed Steve, the multi-millionaire businessman from New Jersey, dismisses entirely the global warming issue and says, quote, the catastrophic claims about global warming are deeply flawed.
	End quote.
	Huh.
	And then it gets even more radical as you get to Alan Keyes.
	Well, I'm very torn on the causes of global warming.
	I think there is entirely a possibility that man's hand is putting an extra bit of weight on the change that's occurring anyway.
	I believe that.
	So I think it's a little bit of both, but the fact of the matter is, too many politicians are in denial about it, and what it's going to have, either catastrophic Results for all of us.
	The world, I mean, not just the U.S.
	Or it's going to certainly leave a large print very shortly here in our lifetimes.
	It's doing that right now.
	It should be a pretty wild year, weather-wise.
	Anyway, listen, I wanted to promote the fact that I'm going to be in New York You can find the coming global super storm on the web at Amazon.com, where they give you about a 30% discount.
	30% on the web.
	It's amazing.
	And or, I'm going to New York.
	Whitley Strieber and myself will be in New York City the week of the 10th, actually Tuesday the 11th.
	You're not going to want to miss this.
	We'll be on the Today Show.
	You know, the Today Show on NBC?
	And then Wednesday, January 12th, in person, one time only, we'll be signing books at Barnes & Noble.
	This is the only book signing that is ever going to occur for this book.
	The only one.
	So it will be, in many ways, very historic, and the only opportunity To get signed editions of the book by Whitley Strieber and myself.
	When?
	Well, that's at 12.30 in the afternoon, about lunchtime for you, maybe.
	It's going to be at Barnes & Noble, Rockefeller Center, the big one in Rockefeller Center.
	And again, I reiterate, it's going to be the only book signing we're going to do, a one-time event, And after that, well, let's put it this way, the book that you have with both signatures is going to be a rare item indeed, because we'll never be together again publicly to do that.
	So there you have it.
	Don't miss it, or you've missed it.
	I would advise you to get there early.
	Now see, a lot of other stuff, headless humans, headless humans, I've got something on headless humans that's hard to believe.
	in a moment jonathan in phoenix sent me a brief facts and something
	from uh...
	the new york times and I'll see you next time.
	And I know it seems impossible, but Jonathan says, some of the older Indians down in Baja California, that's close to us folks, claim that a headless race of humans live on an isolated island off the western coast of the aforementioned peninsula.
	Indeed, from the New York Times, ever since the Spaniards overran Mexico and California, Lower California has been a place of wonderment and mystery.
	The Burana Island and Guadalupe Island and the Gulf of Lower California have had more strange tales woven into their human and animal inhabitants than any other part of the Pacific Coast.
	It was in Lower California that the Spaniards asserted that they had, in fact, found men whose heads do grow beneath their shoulders.
	That's heads beneath their shoulders.
	How could that possibly be?
	How could that possibly be, I ask?
	But yes, that's what they say here.
	Wondrous monsters they go on of these six and eight-legged variety, and fish with trunks like onto elephants.
	So they're really serious about this.
	Headless humans.
	Not exactly headless, but heads that grow beneath the shoulders.
	it's uh... almost impossible to contemplate but that uh...
	folks wrote was from the uh...
	new york times
	the new will be right back If you stay where you are, it's the same spot on your radio dial.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5, 2000.
	Ain't got no cigarettes, ah, but two hours of pushin' broom, buys a eight-by-twelve four-bit room.
	I'm a man of means by no means, king of the road.
	Third boxcar, midnight train Destination Banger, Maine
	Oh, worn out suit and shoes I don't pay no union dues
	I smoke old stokies I have found Tell me what a heartache every day is
	What a heartache is all the way It's hard to see the light
	Put your finger inside me Oh, why can't I get him?
	Tell me what a heartache every day is What a heartache is all the way
	It's hard to wait to bed I just can't quit, yeah
	Please tell me, oh, why can't I get him?
	I got a lot of those heartaches I got a lot of those tear drops
	Heartaches Tear drops
	All the way Nothing but a heartache every day
	Nothing but a heartache every day Nothing but a heartache
	Tear drops All the way
	Nothing but a tear drop And it's just too damn hard
	Please tell me, oh, why can't I get him?
	I got a lot of those heartaches I got a lot of those tear drops
	Heartaches You're listening to ArcBell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
	Boy, you've got to admit, they really do belt this out.
	I don't know why I'm so hooked on it.
	It happens to me and I've got to keep listening until I can unhook myself.
	No telling how long that's going to be.
	Anyway, listen.
	The, uh...
	The event that did not occur, Y2K, is now beginning to have trickling events coming in and a lot of businesses.
	You know what I've noticed, and I'm sure some of the rest of you have, although obviously it was not a major event, everything is non-Y2K related.
	All the failures that have been occurring, they quickly qualify by saying, but it's not Y2K related.
	Well, yes, the whole system is down, but it's not Y2K related.
	Apparently nothing is.
	That would spoil the story of Y2K.
	Most of the experts, Ed Yorden making comment, not apologizing for asking people to prepare, said that an awful lot of it is yet to unfold.
	That may be.
	But certainly we made it through the scary part.
	I was scared of, you know, midnight.
	And that didn't happen, yay.
	did not happen uh... well alright let's see what else
	Peace.
	I think I've got something else here.
	Actually, I do.
	This is not from me.
	It is from Mike.
	And that's all, he doesn't give us his, well, he does give us his last name, but I'm not going to give it.
	Kentucky's worst air disaster occurred today when a small two-seat Cessna 152 crashed into a cemetery early this afternoon in central Kentucky.
	Local search and rescue workers have recovered thus far 726 bodies and officials expect the number to climb as the digging continues into the night.
	So, headless humans!
	Now, in the NFL, they have almost neckless humans.
	You know, when they give the lineup at the beginning of a game, if you're a fan, they show the players, right?
	And some of them, I swear, it's like they don't have necks.
	It's like their head is directly connected to their body.
	And what little neck there is, is as thick as the head itself.
	It's amazing.
	I don't know how they do that.
	They're gigantic.
	But what if the NFL could get headless humans?
	Think of it.
	No more headbutting.
	No more helmets.
	Just bodies.
	Coming at ya, bodies.
	They wouldn't even make any nasty cracks on the field before they hit ya.
	They'd just hit ya.
	Headless human thing is real, anyway.
	Alright, here we go.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Bob Bell?
	Hmm, what do you think?
	I suppose we've been for a long time.
	Are you on some kind of speakerphone?
	Hold on one second.
	Get off that thing.
	Hello?
	Yes, now you sound human.
	I sound human?
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't... Well, almost.
	You gonna be alright there?
	Yeah, hold on.
	My phone's a little messed up.
	I wouldn't... Quit doing that!
	What are you doing?
	The phone...
	Hold on a second.
	Do you hear about May 5th?
	You need a phone!
	You mean May 5th, 2001, the planets are going to align, right?
	Yes.
	Yes, I know about that.
	Do you think it's going to affect the gravity?
	Huh?
	Do you think it's going to affect the gravity here on Earth?
	Do I think what?
	Do you think it's going to affect the gravity here on Earth?
	Oh, is it going to affect gravity here on Earth is the question.
	I'm bailing out of that one.
	I don't know what's going on with that guy's phone, but bad news.
	Do I think it will affect the gravity on Earth?
	No.
	I don't.
	There are people who think that the alignment of planets will produce some sort of resonance that will do something.
	But who knows?
	I mean, the gravity?
	No, I wouldn't think that specifically.
	Oh, I know what it is.
	There are some with a theory that the motion of planets about the Sun produces a certain something or another, and when the planets all line up, there is This additional effect of motion.
	No, the gravity of the various planets with distance is so little that there should not be an effect.
	Well, Mr. The Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	How are you?
	Okay.
	Happy new millennium.
	Yeah, it is a new millennium, huh?
	Do you feel different?
	I feel a little relieved.
	I wasn't buying into the whole Gary North, gloom and doom, end of the world scenario.
	Yeah, it didn't end.
	Pardon me?
	It didn't end.
	Actually, to be fair, he never said it was the world's worst.
	Well, he was getting a little hot and heavy for me.
	He indeed was.
	He said, what always worried me more than anything else was the hundreds of thousands of embedded chips.
	I never could figure out a way around that one.
	This is the Zapper fan from San Diego.
	Yes.
	I had a few things I wanted to throw out.
	First of all, I just found out two weeks after the fact that you had my hero, George Carlin, on your show on my birthday.
	And, of course, I wasn't listening.
	I had George on for two hours, and you missed him.
	On the 10th of November, I believe.
	It was absolutely cool.
	I'm going to have to get that.
	Yep.
	I'm going to have to get that on tape.
	Now, I wanted to just throw two unofficial predictions out, since I didn't get on on prediction night.
	Well, you're right.
	They're unofficial.
	I can't recall.
	They're unofficial, and I can probably even... I can already designate them as a bong and a ding.
	Really?
	I think so.
	I think I can pretty much score them myself.
	Wow!
	Number one, Gary North will now have to get a real job.
	Possibly something in the service or hospitality industries.
	Let him work for a living like the rest of us.
	Okay.
	Bong!
	Number two... Oh, you're going to bong that one?
	I think I'm going to bong that one.
	Alright, number two?
	Number two, not a single member of the Bush family will spend any time in a penitentiary This year.
	Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!
	Unfortunately.
	And this leads me to my closing.
	Have you heard the news related to George W. and Larry Flint?
	No.
	Well, this is not going to be a joke, is it?
	No, it's not.
	Two nights ago, on KOGO, here in San Diego, on the Rick Roberts Show, Rick Roberts had Larry Flint on his show, and Larry claims to have spent a million dollars in an investigation on George W.
	And he said that he's not really concerned about people's private lives unless they're running for public office and their public statements conflict directly with their private behavior.
	Then he says he thinks they're fair game.
	He claims that after a million dollars spent on this investigation, he has damning evidence, photographs of George W. in, let us say, compromising positions.
	And that this is sexual in nature, and that he's going to release this somewhere around August during the Republican National Convention.
	And I'll close now with, again, maybe a prophetic word from the late Frank Zappa.
	Maybe it will actually someday in the near future be, goodnight Austin, Texas, wherever you are!
	Well, I don't know.
	Until you see the photographs, I don't know.
	And then the other question is, Really, I mean really, is somebody's private sexual life anybody's damn business as long as they do their job and I make this a general reference now to George Bush with those allegations unspecified and of course President Clinton and many many others
	People aren't perfect.
	People are not perfect.
	And as long as they're doing the job that they've been elected to do, then I really do wonder if it is an issue.
	Even for an elected official.
	I really don't think so.
	I mean, if it affects the job they're doing, then it's one thing.
	If it doesn't, Then I really think we've gone too far.
	I really think we've gone too far.
	I mean, think of yourself.
	What have you ever done, huh?
	What have you done behind the bleachers in the back seat of some kind of car?
	You know.
	Hell, I did a lot of that.
	Drive-in theaters?
	God, remember drive-in theaters?
	So we've all done a lot of stuff.
	And so I don't know about that.
	Austin, Texas, huh?
	On the international line, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I just wanted to see how disappointed I was that nothing happened with Y2K.
	Oh, here we go.
	Where are you, by the way?
	St.
	Thomas, Ontario.
	I'm in Canada.
	Canada.
	And you are disappointed that there was not havoc at Y2K, is that correct?
	Just a little bit.
	How much havoc did you want?
	Complete anarchy.
	Complete anarchy?
	In other words, you wanted a total collapse of civilization as we know it.
	Wouldn't that be kind of fun?
	No.
	No, it wouldn't.
	And why do you think it would be?
	I'm not sure I've always looked forward to what other people view as Negative things.
	So, when a ship goes down, or an airplane goes down, you get sort of excited.
	When a volcano erupts and wipes out entire villages, you begin to break out into a sweat, and a smile comes to your face.
	It's somewhat entertaining.
	Somewhat entertaining.
	You're a real piece of work, you are.
	I don't know about you.
	Complete anarchy.
	Somewhat entertaining.
	Let's have death and destruction.
	Maybe you should order the George Carlin tape.
	That's actually what George said.
	Bigger disasters.
	It's what we need.
	Bigger disasters.
	Here's a kind of an interesting article.
	Associated Press in the Boulder, Colorado area or from that area.
	Our researchers now think they might have the answer to what kills seemingly healthy fit hikers when no cause of death otherwise is apparent.
	Guess what they think?
	They think the invisible killer might be powerful magnetic fields sparked by lightning Lightning itself is a natural suspect, but it is ruled out when no burns or other obvious marks are left by the heart-stopping electrical jolts.
	And so there you have it.
	Hikers who have been found dead on the trail with no apparent cause are now thought to have been killed by the electromagnetic fields created by lightning.
	Now isn't that something to think about?
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hey Art, this is John in Atlanta.
	Hi John.
	I think Larry Flynt should run for president.
	What do you think?
	Might be an improvement, I don't know.
	I don't know, I'm pretty disappointed in the field of choice right now.
	I think, well, maybe he should start an internet website, a news site, and call it the Flynt Report.
	Instead of digging up dirt, he could just go broke buying dirt.
	I don't know.
	Do you think, since we're on the subject, That what people did 15, 20 years ago or something sexually in their private lives is the business or should be of the general public.
	No.
	Not unless they, you know, sexually harassed my sister or something, you know, or raped somebody I know.
	Or committed a crime.
	How about that?
	I mean, if it's a crime, then that's something else.
	Well, yeah, that's something else.
	But they're all sexual peccadillos or whatever.
	It's not my business or anybody else's in my opinion.
	That's kind of how I feel, too.
	I'm a libertarian.
	This witch-hunt type mentality is ridiculous.
	Yeah, I really feel the same way.
	I wanted to tell you, Art, I got your book the other day and I just started reading it.
	It seems like a real page-turner.
	Oh yeah, it is that.
	It's going wild.
	It's definitely going wild.
	It's a best-seller.
	We're about to be a bestseller.
	Anyway, thank you.
	I appreciate the review.
	You're welcome.
	We've got another good one in the New York Post.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yes, it really is getting good reviews everywhere.
	The coming global super storm available on Amazon.com for most of you.
	Bookstores nationwide for most of you and for a few of you.
	Once again, I'm coming.
	We're going to be in New York for the one and only And I mean one and only book signing for the coming global superstorm at which Art Bell and Whitley will both appear.
	Tis Wednesday, January 12th at Barnes & Noble Rockefeller Center at 1230 in the afternoon, which means you might be able to combine your lunch hour.
	But again, there's likely to be a few people there, so my advice would be to get there early if possible.
	You can arrange the time.
	I'm kind of looking forward to seeing New York City.
	It's been a long, long time for me.
	You know, I grew up to a large degree on the East Coast, the Northeast part of the country, and grew up, as you know, with WABC in New York, and so it's my old stomping grounds, and I understand.
	They tell me New York has really changed, so I'm really looking forward to seeing it.
	That'll be next week.
	And again, the 12th.
	Let me see, the 12th.
	Mark it on your calendar.
	January 12th, Wednesday, 1230 in the afternoon, Barnes and Noble, Rockefeller Center.
	Hope to see you there.
	East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Mr. Bell, this is Jeremy from Lawrence, Kansas.
	Hi, Jeremy.
	I just wanted to know if you had heard anything from Madman Mike Markham.
	No, of course not.
	Madman Markham.
	As I keep telling everybody who calls, disappeared a long time ago now.
	Gone.
	One way or the other.
	Well, I was going to predict that he would come back in the next year, but I couldn't get through to the phone lines.
	Well, boy, it's been an awful long time.
	And he either turned to dust using his machine.
	He promised me that I could come and video record His use of the machine, and I never heard from him.
	He's either dust or he's at some other time.
	Hmm.
	Because he, it was a time machine.
	Right.
	Well, you'd think he would write you a letter or something from the future.
	Or you could send him a letter.
	Somehow connect.
	Hmm.
	Well, let's see.
	If you, let me think about that.
	If he wrote me a letter from the future, I couldn't get it until that day arrived.
	Right.
	Could I?
	But you could write him a letter and leave it somewhere for him to discover in the future.
	Yeah, he would get it, but it wouldn't work the other way.
	Right.
	Hmm.
	Right?
	Well, that's a puzzle.
	Well, so I don't know where he is.
	You know, your guess is as good as mine.
	And I was worried about him because, you know, he was dealing with extremely high voltages.
	He could have stepped into that and immediately fried, or be dust on the floor, or there may be nothing at all but the machine, and uh... Madman is gone.
	Listen, I gotta go too, alright?
	Alright, thanks a lot.
	Thank you for the call and we'll be right back.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	tonight featuring a replay of coast to coast am from january 5th 2000
	and the reasoning he talked and talked and i heard him say that she had the
	He talked and talked and I heard him say That she had the longest, blackest hair
	longest blackest hair the prettiest green eyes anywhere and reasoning
	The prettiest green eyes anywhere And the reasoning of his latest flame
	Though I smiled, the tears inside were a burning I wished him luck and then he said goodbye
	He was gone but still his words kept returning What else was there for me to do but cry?
	Would you believe that yesterday This girl was in my arms and swore to me
	She'd be mine eternally And the reasoning of his latest flame
	And the reason is, a blade of spring.
	Though I smiled, the tears inside were a-burning.
	I wished him more things than he said goodbye.
	He was gone but still his words kept returning What else was there for me to do but cry?
	Would you believe that yesterday this girl was in my arms and swore to me she'd be mine eternally?
	And Marie's the name of the blaze flame.
	Yeah, Marie's the name of the blaze flame.
	Oh, Marie's the name of the blaze flame.
	Look at the thoughts of the head and the she leaves you to.
	These days, since I feel my life just like a river running through the air of the cabin.
	I'm just a man who's been living in a dream for a long time.
	I'm just a man who's been living in a dream for a long time.
	Tonight's program originally aired January 5th, 2000.
	Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight's program originally aired January 5, 2000.
	Coming up in a moment is the amazing Wayne Green, 73 Magazine's Wayne Green, the man
	whose bust, whose portrait stands in the halls of the American Radio Relay League for all.
	Just kidding!
	Ha ha ha ha, just kidding.
	I And you've thrown away your church, and blocked your ticket, so you have to stay on.
	But the drumbeat strains of the night remain, and the riffs are more than you can take.
	You know sometime you're bound to leave her, but for now you're gonna stay.
	Actually, when you think about it, women have a great deal in common with cats.
	This song is called Year of the Cat by Al Stewart.
	Women really do have a lot in common with cats.
	They hardly ever come when you call them.
	And they usually always want to sit on your lap when you're not ready for it.
	They see things you never see.
	Some of them paw you.
	And they have to be fed and watered.
	And I'll stop there before I'm in too much trouble.
	Coming up in a moment is Wayne Green.
	Wayne sent me an unusual introduction, he says.
	It's more about you, all of you out there, than him.
	He is an old guy, 77, and has had a rather unusually exciting and adventurous life, mostly as a result of his interest in amateur radio.
	With his many publications, he has helped us have cellular telephones, personal computers, compact discs.
	So what can Wayne do for you?
	He wants to help you to have a better quality of life, be healthier, able to make as much money as you want, travel, have fun, and raise a family you can be proud of.
	Wayne also wants you and your children interested in the adventure and excitement of amateur radio and what it can provide.
	It has gotten Wayne friends all over the world, good friends such as King Hussein, Barry Goldwater, got him the adventure of spending World War II in one of the top scoring submarines as an electronic technician, going on an expedition to a desert island in the Caribbean operating ham radio stations from places like Nepal, the DMZ in Korea, the famed American Embassy in Tehran, Making ham contacts through amateur radio satellites and moon bounce using the thousand-foot dish at Arecibo, Puerto Rico.
	A free round-trip around the world while operating a station aboard a plane, actually, and visiting amateurs in 26 countries, helping to represent the U.S.
	at an international conference in Geneva, where they made some pretty important decisions about spectrum.
	For more details on Wayne's amazing life, you can go to his website at www.waynegreen.com.
	And, of course, we have a link up there.
	You just go down to our guest section and look at Wayne Green, and you'll see his website.
	He has written an endless number of books and magazines, and here's what we're going to do.
	We're going to talk at the very beginning, for just a little while, about ham radio, because there has just been a massive edict from the Federal Communications Commission, and a couple of other items I want to cover.
	about ham radio but fear not for those of you who are not interested in ham
	radio sadly the greatest portion of the listening audience no
	doubt we will not be on the ham topic for long
	and we've been away as a very controversial person ham radio side
	and so we'll talk about some of those things the way in all of that
	coming up directly
	now we're going to talk a little bit about radio Now, we're going to talk a little bit about radio.
	Specifically amateur radio, and radio in general, I guess.
	My mother tells me, and swears, the first word out of my mouth was radio.
	And it's been that way ever since.
	That was the first word out of my mouth.
	Radio.
	I didn't say radio, I said radio.
	Something like that.
	And from the time I could crawl, I began taking my mom's stuff apart and building things.
	Then I discovered ham radio and I really began to build things.
	And I was infected for life.
	Radio has been a deep abiding love of mine all my life.
	Up to and including now.
	And so ham radio hooked me big time hard and still has me and always will.
	But I may be a dying breed.
	So may Wayne.
	Because the number of amateur radio operators, ham operators, nationwide is falling like a lead balloon.
	Why is that happening?
	Well, we can speculate.
	The Internet?
	People in school not being encouraged in the hobby any longer?
	I don't know.
	There's a lot of reasons.
	People not as technically inclined as they once were.
	The Internet?
	The Internet is what I suspect the most, to be honest with you.
	But I'm not sure.
	I don't know.
	We'll kick it around a little with Wayne.
	Anyway, here from... Where the hell are you?
	You're in New Hampshire, aren't you?
	I am.
	From New Hampshire is Wayne Green.
	I'm from New Hampshire.
	Great to have you back.
	You don't sound like it.
	Why don't you sound like you're from New Hampshire?
	Why, show off!
	Alright, well the FCC has made this gigantic, gigantic change in the rules for ham radio.
	Now... Thank heavens.
	Well, I agree with you, thank heavens, and that's going to get us both in lots of trouble.
	Well, I'm not sure that that makes any difference.
	It's only going to make a difference if you are a true fanatical believer in the American Radio Relay League.
	Well, the way it used to be is that there were various classes of ham radio license, and they've changed that over the years, and novices, and technicians, and generals, and advanced class, and extra, and so forth and so on.
	Now, they had various code speed requirements.
	You know, Morse code.
	You had to learn the Morse code, and the lowest speed was five words per minute for a novice, you know, a beginner license.
	And then it would range up to 13 words a minute for general, and then up to 20 words a minute for the extra class license.
	And that's the way it's always been, forever and ever.
	But now, no more.
	What's changed, Wayne?
	Well, of course, what they've done is said that as of April 15th, the maximum code speed that will be required is five words per minute.
	For all classes?
	For all classes.
	And that's something that people can learn.
	They can pass the five word per minute test in about one hour of study.
	You shouldn't learn code this way, if you're ever serious about code.
	But you can get to five words a minute by doing nothing more than memorizing each letter.
	Exactly.
	I mean, it's sad in one way.
	That takes about 20 minutes.
	Well, I suppose to get a reliable five minutes, you're going to have to spend a little time.
	Basically, Wayne's right.
	It virtually eliminates the code speed requirement for any serious class of license.
	Well, that has been a major obstacle.
	Not that it's that difficult to learn the code, but it's the perception.
	And people have been afraid of it, and it's like learning a new language.
	Who can learn the code?
	I can't learn the code.
	I hear it again and again and again.
	Now, to be fair, I learned the code when I was 12, Wayne.
	Things are easy to learn at 12.
	If you're trying to get a license at 40 or 50, learning the code isn't so easy.
	Oh, piffle.
	I have a code course that anybody, I don't care if you're 82 years old or 92, you can learn the code to pass the test in 13 words a minute in one weekend.
	Oh, Wayne.
	Oh, Wayne.
	Absolutely.
	I'd like to see that proven to me.
	Oh, it's very simple.
	But it's a different way of learning.
	uh... instead of setting up a lookup table in your mind
	b equals dot did it did right and you hear dot it did it you think let's see now what is
	that all yes that's a b
	well that's switching back and forth between the left and right brain
	so instead of that what you do is when you hear a sound you write it down
	without having to translate You listen first to a series of code signals coming through.
	Do you start people at the speed they wish?
	At the speed they're going to learn.
	And when they hear a dip, they write down an E. Every time they hear a dip, they write down an E. And pretty soon it's automatic.
	Imagine if you're trying to play the piano and you have to find every key.
	Or on the typewriter, if you're a hunt-and-peck system, you can't go very fast.
	So you learn what the E is and write it down and then you go to an A or a T and keep adding the letters.
	I recognize your method is a far better method for attaining the higher speeds but the fact of the matter is the Commissioner said five words a minute which means virtually anybody, anybody can now pass the code test in short order indeed and now the old-time hams And the guys at the ARRL are doing backflips.
	I mean, they're totally disgusted and they're saying it's going to bring a class of sea beers into the ham bands and all the rest of that.
	To which I reply, they're already there.
	Well, not only are they already there, because that's human nature, but if we don't do something drastic, in less than a generation, ham radio wouldn't be anymore.
	It is certainly going down and down as far as newcomers are concerned, but then there has been virtually no promotion.
	That's right.
	I give lectures at colleges on entrepreneurialism and starting small businesses and so forth, and I always ask the classes that I'm lecturing, I say, you know, how many of you here are familiar with amateur radio?
	And I'll have maybe 50 or 60 people there.
	And two hands will go up, and one will say, that's like CB, isn't it?
	Yeah, or try asking a harder question.
	How many of you hold licenses?
	Right.
	Forget it.
	Back in 1960, the ARL did a survey, and they found that 80% of all new amateurs were teenagers.
	And they found that 80% of those Went on to high-tech careers as a result of that.
	Oh, I know.
	And, of course, then the ARL got the FCC to propose a docket which scared everybody so badly that it folded almost all ham radio clubs in schools all over the country.
	It closed down thousands of them.
	And that was our source of youngsters were these radio clubs.
	When I first got interested in radio, I immediately went to the school radio club and they got me to get a hand license.
	Yeah, so did I. I went to the school radio club and participated there.
	I had a man who helped me out, actually a physicist, really a nice guy.
	Paul Weiss in Media, Pennsylvania was a nuclear physicist and he took me under his wing and taught me code and taught me theory.
	I went to a high school with 10,000 students, and we had a heck of a radio club.
	That radio club is gone now.
	Here's a school with 10,000 students and no radio club.
	That was feeding amateurs into the hobby, and that has stopped.
	Of course, the ARL, I feel, is responsible not only for doing that.
	But also for not giving any promotion, not making an effort.
	People should know, the ARRL, as we call it, the Amateur Radio Relay League, is an organization that fancies itself the sole spokes group for ham radio generally.
	And they make decisions and make recommendations to the Federal Communications Commission that sometimes are followed and sometimes are not followed.
	But they have a really strong voice With the FCC in this case, the FCC did not follow their recommendation.
	Nope.
	And I say, hooray, we're liable to get new hams now.
	Sure.
	Well, they didn't follow my recommendations exactly either.
	They had six classes of license, and I said, we only need one.
	All you need is an amateur radio license, and from there on, Do what you want, and learn what you want.
	But they have reduced it to three classes.
	Down to three, that's good.
	And they are?
	Well, we have the technician, general, and extra.
	And those who hold licenses, like I have an advanced license, so I'll get to hold on to mine for a lifetime, along with the privileges associated with it.
	I guess they assume, the commission assumes, that when the people with the licenses Like mine, die off, then they'll only have three.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So, I guess... They may eventually grandfather you into extra class anyway.
	Yeah, well, maybe they will.
	Sure.
	But the good news for the general public, the shortwave listeners, people who have contemplated maybe getting a ham license, the good news is, folks, you can go get it now without a problem, five words a minute, you can do that in your sleep.
	Now, why should somebody get a ham license, all right?
	Well, now there's the other question.
	You heard me in the open.
	I've got the Internet.
	You've got the Internet, I'm sure.
	I can talk to and I can see somebody on the other side of the world without any fading that is associated with shortwave communications or static or anything else.
	I can talk to somebody in Beijing or whatever.
	Over the Internet.
	So, and I can even see their face if I want to.
	How about Burkina Faso?
	Or Swaziland?
	Well, I'm not sure about Swaziland.
	Yeah, there are still places, islands in the Pacific, for example, and disconnected places where only ham radio will reach.
	That's true.
	But still, there are not people clamoring To have a discussion with someone in Swaziland.
	That's always been one of the fun things for me, is to get out and talk to people anywhere in the world, and you don't know where you're going to talk to next.
	For instance, I used to talk to Robbie over in Nairobi, and he said, you know, why don't you come over here and go on a safari?
	And I read a book by George Christian Herter on how to go on an African safari for $690.
	Really?
	Right.
	You're not about to tell me you actually did that.
	I wrote about it in a magazine and it said, who wants to go?
	And I got two other amateurs and we went over there and went on $690 safaris.
	You really did that?
	We really did it and we had a ball.
	One of these days, I'm going to publish a book on that with all of the pictures and so forth.
	Well, today's cost.
	If you wanted to go on a safari like that today, at today's inflated prices, what do you think it would be?
	I'll bet you could do it for $2,500.
	Really?
	Sure.
	Swaziland for $2,500?
	No, Nairobi.
	Nairobi.
	Pardon me, Kenya.
	Kenya?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	And we went over and had a wonderful time.
	Well, going to Kenya will give you a big education even today.
	Oh yeah.
	Believe me.
	I've been an advocate, Wayne, that for a long time now I've thought the U.S.
	government should purchase every citizen at some time in their early life a ticket to a third world country of their choice round trip.
	That's coming up, Art.
	My prediction for 2020 is that by that time our students are They're all going to be having their classroom in something like a laptop computer.
	And you've probably read about the new discs that have been developed where they can have 13 hours of video on a one-inch disc.
	Oh, yes, I have read about it.
	Hold on, Wayne.
	We'll break at the bottom of the hour and we'll be right back.
	Wayne Green is here.
	73 Magazines.
	That's a magazine about ham radio and more that Wayne publishes.
	73 Magazines.
	Wayne Green is really an interesting character.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
	Oh, see that girl, watch that scene, she is standing free.
	Friday night and the lights are low, looking out for a place to go.
	Where the play of the life music came in to swing, you come to live the first dream.
	you Anybody could be that guy.
	Light is young and the music's high.
	With a beat of rock music.
	Everything's fine.
	Don't even lose the day.
	Oh, when you shake that shake.
	You are the dancing queen, young and free.
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	You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
	You know, if you're a parent, then listen to me for a moment, because this is the truth.
	Wayne Green is here and we're talking about Ham Radio, and I have more than I could possibly ever begin to tell you to thank Ham Radio for in my lifetime.
	My career, Almost every job I get or have been able to get during my life, and I've never had a period of unemployment that I didn't desire ever, was largely thanks to ham radio.
	Sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly.
	But the technical knowledge that it gave me propelled me all my life in my career.
	So it's a non-trivial pursuit.
	And if you want your child to get into something that's really interesting, that can help them all through their entire life, then you will now, because of the change in the FCC, direct them toward the possibility of considering ham radio.
	And the best way to do that is to get them a shortwave radio that will get them started.
	You know, just pick up a little shortwave radio and let them listen to what's going on around the world, and believe me, a lot of eyes out there will light up.
	And from the moment they light up, you've got yourself a child on the way to a good life.
	So it's kind of that serious.
	At any rate, Wayne will be back.
	we've got more news to talk about in a moment alright my wife would verify the following for you if you
	were here to verify it uh...
	She need not come in to verify it.
	Well, you can if you want.
	When we bought the land upon which now my house sits, we both came out and we camped out on the land dreaming about the house, you know, the home and how we would do it and what we were going to do and all the rest of it.
	The first thing I did was to pace off the property in both directions, actually in every single direction.
	And I put a big X on the ground.
	And I said, there is where the tower is going to go.
	And then here is where the house is going to go.
	So I measured in every direction to ensure myself I could get the antenna directly into the center of the property.
	And then the house was secondary, in my mind anyway, to that.
	So the first spot marked was for my tower.
	That was the prime consideration.
	Call me consumed and crazy if you wish, but that's the way it is with a radio-infected person like me.
	There's the tower, the X on the... I actually put an X on the ground, then I paste out the house from there.
	Now, Wayne, The reason I bring that up is because I now have about, I don't know, three or four thousand pounds of steel up above me, a hundred feet in the air.
	I've got a hundred foot tower up, the dream that you have when you're young.
	Well, now I have it.
	I have a hundred foot tower up and I think real hard about it when storms.
	Wayne, around the country, I of course live in a very rural area where you can pretty much do what you want.
	It's still almost like free America out here.
	But I am hearing increasingly around the country now, in towns like San Jose and others, that they are passing local ordinances and they virtually have what are being called the Antenna Police.
	That's right, the Antenna Police.
	And they're sending them around to hands who have antennas or towers or whatever they've got, and telling them they must lower their antennas.
	And if they don't, They're in violation of some sort of ordinance or something.
	Now, CAMs are governed by the Federal Communications Commission.
	Federal, not state, not local.
	And, of course, FAA regulations.
	You don't want airplanes bumping into your antenna and that kind of stuff.
	But aside from that, what business is it of any local community to tell you how high your antenna can or cannot be?
	Unless, wait a minute, let me specify, unless you have signed some sort of Covenant and restriction deal that says you can't have that.
	Well, of course, the FCC has a rule which permits that sort of thing.
	It permits you to put up towers and antennas.
	Right.
	But if you don't have the money to defend that and go into court and hire a lawyer and so forth, you're a prisoner of the politicians.
	You're screwed.
	That's right.
	Now, so that means They can do what?
	They can fine you?
	They can fine you for every day that it's up there.
	So this has been going on, not just recently, but going on for years and years.
	Yes, but now it's spreading like the Melissa virus.
	Well, one of the reasons that it's spreading is that there has been no good test case to fight it.
	And one of the things that I wanted to do many years ago And I formed a group to do this called the Institute of Amateur Radio.
	And we put aside a fund to help any amateur with a legal battle that would affect all of amateur radio.
	And the ARL did everything they could to put the Institute of Amateur Radio out of business.
	Why?
	That's a very serious allegation.
	This is an organization that supposedly speaks on behalf of HAMS to the government, to the FCC, So why would they do things to hurt Ham Radio?
	They considered it to be in competition.
	With what?
	Like any other organization.
	With what?
	With the ARL.
	Even though they were not funding any amateurs in their legal battles.
	See, I talked to a couple of Ham's recently who said, my town is making me take down my antenna or lower my antenna or whatever.
	And they went to the ARRL Who's, you know, you pay dues to, and they say they will help you out in legal battles, and the ARRL told them to get lost.
	That's right.
	Well, the best that you can get is some copies of past legal rulings on that from the ARRL.
	It seemed to me that these were battles that were worth fighting, and so I started the Institute of Amber Radio for that purpose.
	But the ARRL figured that that was competition for them.
	Now, you know, if somebody starts another medical association, the AMA is going to spend whatever it takes to put them out of business, as they did with homeopathy, and as they almost did with midwives, and as they almost did with chiropractors, and so forth.
	And that's the way it works.
	Any large organization will do whatever it takes to protect itself.
	So in other words, if you're just some lone poor fellow with an antenna The Antenna Police come by and tell you, you've got to take it down.
	You have to do it.
	Or either that, or go spend an unrecognizable amount of money getting lawyers to try and fight it.
	Maybe.
	Well, of course, you're up against unlimited funds on the other end to fight you.
	So, yeah, it's difficult.
	So then how can local governments do that?
	I mean, how can they get away with passing local regulation or law That is not consistent with federal regulation in law.
	Can you explain that?
	There is no federal regulation or law.
	All there is is a recommendation from the FCC about it.
	There's no law on that.
	There isn't?
	No.
	So there's no law that says you as a licensed ham have a right to put up an antenna?
	Nope.
	Well then how the hell do they expect you to talk to anybody?
	Well, they have what's called PRB1, which is a recommendation that amateurs be permitted to put up towers and so forth.
	A recommendation?
	Right.
	All I know is, to me, it's a sign of a degradation of our entire social structure.
	Well, we're being degradated on every turn.
	Come on.
	Look at all of the things that are happening.
	You're keeping up with all of the stuff that the government is doing to us.
	I know.
	I just, on behalf of those who are fighting this battle out there... It just is hitting you and where you... Well, it's not hitting me, because I intentionally moved to a place where they don't do that kind of crap.
	Well, me too.
	Yeah.
	I'm on a 200-acre farm up here in New Hampshire, and I can do anything I want.
	Well, boy, I bet you have a lot of antennas, huh?
	Well, I may have a better one.
	The South people want to put a 200-foot tower in back of my house.
	Oh, you're kidding.
	And I said, well, okay, as long as I can put my beams on it.
	And they said, no problem.
	Really?
	That's right.
	What a deal!
	Right.
	A 200-foot tower?
	Right.
	Boy, am I jealous!
	And I suppose, who climbs it?
	Oh, I don't have any trouble climbing a 200-foot tower.
	Oh, you're 77, Wayne, aren't you?
	Sure.
	Without your mind.
	I once climbed a 300-foot tower, Wayne, and I went out on a horizontal beam to a stationmaster antenna at the 300-foot level on a 3,000-foot mountain.
	And I will never, ever, ever, ever do that again.
	Ever.
	And you would do that at 77 years old.
	Oh, sure.
	I've had 100 foot towers, many of them, and I have no problem going up there and working on the top of them.
	I do.
	I push a button and mine comes down to me.
	My climbing days are over.
	I took a big fall and so I can't climb anymore.
	Well, that'll do it to you.
	Yeah, it did.
	But I do wear a belt.
	Oh, you do?
	Well, that's something.
	Oh, sure.
	That's something.
	That way you can have both hands free to work on things.
	Alright, one other ham radio thing that I want to get done and then we'll leave that and go on to other things.
	There is a new sheriff in town.
	You know about him?
	No.
	You don't know about him?
	No.
	Mr. Hollingsworth is his name.
	Yeah, oh sure.
	Now you know what I mean by a new sheriff?
	Oh sure.
	He's clamping down on things.
	Yes, now the ham radio bands to some degree in some areas I don't want to say they approximate CB because it has not gone that far.
	But, on the other hand, it's almost that far in some specific places.
	I won't mention them.
	Every ham knows.
	Certain frequencies and so forth that are... Right.
	Like a certain Los Angeles town.
	Yeah.
	Like a certain Los Angeles town.
	Anyway, it doesn't matter.
	Certain frequencies where abominations occur.
	So that Mr. Hollingsworth, thank God, has come along and finally begun enforcing the rules again, and beginning to clear Dodge out of the undesirable element by removing licenses, issuing fines, and in worst cases, putting people in the clinker.
	Now, what do you think about that?
	Well, I think that's great.
	We've been wanting that for a long time, and the FCC has kind of left us alone.
	And it has not helped things.
	Unfortunately, the FCC does not give a sanity test.
	Yeah, that's obvious.
	That's obvious.
	We have some crumbs.
	Yeah, and so that is, it really is getting stricter.
	And that doesn't mean that you cannot have any kind of conversation you want.
	It means that people who go on there and use horrendous language And interfere intentionally with other people and so forth are getting caught fine and worse, right?
	That's right.
	Yep.
	And if you keep doing it, they'll come in and take your equipment away.
	Well, it's about damn time.
	Yep.
	That's what I have to say about that.
	Right.
	So, any final, you know, we'll take some calls after we get into some other topics, and I'm sure there'll be questions about ham radio.
	But the big news, folks, is those of you out there who have said, I just can't do it And to be honest, Wayne, there are people, there really are people, who cannot learn the Morse Code at 13 words a minute.
	They just, their brains will not do it.
	And I know you'll probably argue with that.
	I'm not one of them.
	I learned it, to me it was like music, and it still is.
	I'll never forget it.
	It's so simple, it was so easy.
	I learned the code one evening when I was getting dressed to go to a Boy Scout meeting.
	Show off.
	And I've known it ever since.
	But Wayne, there are people, I mean they absolutely tell me it's impossible.
	I have tried, I've spent hours and days and weeks and I cannot learn the code.
	And maybe it's true that their brains simply will not adjust as they need to adjust to be able to learn the code.
	There are people like that, aren't there?
	Well, possibly, but I think that what they're doing is the The old-fashioned way of learning the code and doing it slowly and then gradually speeding up and then unfortunately when you get to about ten words a minute there's a hump.
	You get to the speed of the brain and you can't go any faster than that where you're listening on one side and sending the information over to the other side of the brain to decipher it and then sending it back to write.
	So you have to Eliminate that by teaching one side of the brain to listen and write without translating.
	Well, anyway... And pretty soon you learn to hear words.
	I know, but it's a moot point.
	And so forth.
	But that's irrelevant now because we're getting rid of all of that nonsense.
	And to all the old-timers who are saying, It's the end of AM radio!
	It's the end!
	A terrible class of people will be coming on and it won't be fun anymore!
	The old boys club just isn't going to be the same.
	What do you say to them?
	I say that they've been crying that ever since the novice license was introduced.
	And then when the technician license was introduced, they cried the same thing.
	Yes.
	And it has never turned out to be that way.
	Our nation must have a technical base of people that have been intrigued with passion to learn About electronics and radio and television and computers and all the rest of it.
	And that's what ham radio does.
	And if we don't keep it alive, eventually our country is going to suffer from it big time.
	So I'm glad they've done this, Wayne, and tell the skeptics.
	It is very important for kids.
	We've got to get them to know about this so that we will have the engineers and technicians that we need in the future.
	Golly, I was just looking at the sale of cars, and the best-selling car in the United States is a Toyota Camry, and the next best-selling is the Honda, and the third is a Ford, and the fourth is a Honda, and the fifth is a Ford.
	Well now, why don't we have the engineers and technicians to put us out in front so that a Ford or a GM is the best-selling car in the United States?
	Because over in Japan, they have had a no-code license for years.
	You know, for decades.
	Did you hear that, folks?
	No code.
	Yes, you're required to take a technical test, but no code.
	And every school in Japan has a ham radio club.
	That's right.
	And they have more licensed hams than we have in the fraction of our population.
	The way the sunspot cycle has been lately, you go on the air on 10 meters and Of course, it's open to the world, but what you hear are ten gazillion Japanese all on there because, as you just pointed out, all the schools have clubs.
	That's right.
	So... And when I go into laboratories over in Japan and visit them, everybody comes over to, oh, W2MSD!
	Oh, yes!
	They're all hands.
	I know.
	All right.
	Stay right there, Wayne.
	When we get back, we're going to update you on ColdFusion.
	What's going on with cold fusion?
	Anything at all?
	We'll find out.
	Wayne Green's here.
	We'll be right back.
	You're listening to ArcBell, Somewhere in Time.
	tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
	This is a trailer for the new Coast to Coast AM game.
	The other day, everything was going fine.
	I met a little boy named Billy Jones, and then it almost crossed my mind.
	Mama said there'll be days like this, there'll be days like this, my mama said.
	Mama said there'll be days like this, there'll be days like this, my mama said.
	My eyes were wide open, but all that I could see was Jack O'Neill's voice.
	But everybody better see what I don't wear is called my mother's voice.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
	Mama did, but she never told me the whole story.
	So we're going to talk about how do you put up a really cool antenna when you live in an apartment building where they don't allow you to do such things.
	And I have one answer.
	we'll see what Wayne has to say in a moment.
	Alright, well let's see if I understand this correctly.
	You live in an apartment, sir?
	Yes, I do.
	Well, it's a house, actually, in a small backyard, but my landlord wouldn't let me put up a large antenna.
	Okay, well, here's what I did, and this applies to apartments.
	First of all, never ask the manager, because they always say no.
	Secondly, take a very, very small coax, and you can get little tiny coax if you want to, and then go to RadioShack if you want.
	And you can buy this transformer winding wire that is so thin, that on a clear day you can't even see it.
	And this is what I've done in the past.
	And then you wait until the appropriate moment, when the manager's not looking, make your way to the roof, sneak your coax up there, and put your antenna just above the roof, and nobody will ever, ever see it.
	Well, they'll hear you on the TV maybe, but They'll never see your antenna, and they'll never know.
	Is that unshielded wire?
	It has a kind of a coating that you can scrape off if you want, but it's very fine.
	I would say it's as fine as, almost as, thread.
	And that's what I've done, and it works!
	Wayne?
	Yeah, I've used a similar thing when I was in college.
	They didn't want me to put up any antennas, so I strung a piece of about number 30 wire across a quadrangle.
	And worked out just beautifully on 160 meters.
	And then if you have a house, there's another thing you can do.
	You're patriotic, aren't you?
	Yes.
	What about a big flagpole?
	There's an idea.
	A resonant flagpole.
	And then fly the American flag, and who's going to say squat to you?
	That's great.
	And may I ask a question about video, Dwayne?
	Sure.
	You had mentioned earlier about a hard disk recording and video, and I do a lot of producing I know with MPEG-2 now, Sony has just introduced a 650MB MPEG-2 recorder.
	Are they going to be coming out with anything soon that would record directly to DVD or something about a larger capacity format do you know of?
	You can bet on it.
	Of course.
	These things are developing very rapidly.
	And as I mentioned earlier, and Art is familiar with this, They've now developed a system of making discs about one inch in diameter, about the size of a nickel.
	Well, how much does that hold?
	About 13 hours of television.
	Oh my God.
	That's more like a hard disc than it is.
	Well, just think of the applications.
	Now, the thing that I see coming is making every course that's available in school K-12 and up high school and even college and so forth available with performers, professional performers doing the teaching and with any kind of video help that you want just as they did in Toy Story and so forth.
	You can have any kind of graphics.
	You're going to be able to teach things and make it almost perfectly interactive for the And they're going to be able to learn these anywhere they are.
	Art mentioned something earlier about having kids travel around the world.
	I think we're going to do this in a few years.
	We're going to have student groups going to different cities all over the world and taking their classrooms with them with a little type of... Like a laptop.
	What a difference it would make.
	That's great.
	I have one last question if I may please.
	Concerning repeaters, are they powered?
	Or, for instance, if there was a massive power outage, would your 2 meter go out, or would you find they would be self-powered?
	The answer is that some are powered by solar power.
	Right.
	Others rely on commercial power, and they go down when commercial power goes down.
	Others have generators.
	So, take your choice.
	Yeah, they have backup generators in some cases, and so forth.
	But there are quite a few, and a growing number, of solar powered ones.
	Yes.
	Solar power is becoming more reasonable, but it still is not, nearly as I can tell, economically... It doesn't compete with the low cost of commercial power.
	Not yet.
	That's right.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
	Yeah, hi.
	Mr. Green?
	Yeah.
	I'm currently 13 years old.
	When would you suggest that I start learning Morse code if I want to learn it?
	Well, I would suggest that you get your amateur license just as quick as you can.
	It will change your life.
	I got mine when I was your age.
	Right.
	And where would I get books on learning all that?
	Well, we already told you.
	You can start at Radio Shack.
	If you get the Ham magazines, and you can find those, if you write to me at Wayne Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, I'll get your information on my magazine.
	I should add that Wayne has a list of how many books now that you're crazy if you don't read?
	About 100 books.
	It's not just a list, Art.
	It's a review of the books explaining what the benefits are to reading these books.
	It goes far more than just a list.
	So I know you've got that list, and then you've got something else.
	What is that?
	Well, I have three books that are doing very well.
	There's The Secret Guide to Wealth, which explains how you can get out of the rat race and make all the money you want.
	It's a very practical thing, except that we're not taught that in school.
	It just is a big surprise to people that you don't have to be average.
	And now, you have been a millionaire over and over again, and you've been busted over and over again.
	Oh, sure.
	So, you've written a book on wealth, apparently knowing both sides.
	In other words, how to make it and how to lose it.
	Well, I don't go into how to lose it, because that's very simple.
	Just trust people that you shouldn't.
	I've had no problem with that, and I've supported an awful lot of companies that started up that weren't run well, and so forth.
	But any time I put my mind to it, there's just no problem in making lots of money, and I explain in the book how you do it.
	Well, what is an encapsulated version of that?
	Okay, it's very simple.
	There are three basic ways that you can never make much money.
	Number one is to work for a large corporation.
	Number two is to work for the government.
	Number three is to teach.
	And you're never going to make much money at those.
	The way you make money is to have your own company.
	But there's a whole bunch of things you need to know to do that successfully.
	Ninety percent of new businesses fold within five years.
	And what I say is, look, figure some field that is so much fun that it doesn't seem like work.
	Just like I'm publishing a ham magazine.
	Now, what could be better?
	If you weren't on the air, what would be better than publishing your own ham magazine?
	It's nirvana.
	Anywhere you go in the world is a business expense and so forth.
	So anyway, figure some field that you really enjoy.
	Find a small company that's providing a product in that field in your area and you walk into the company and you say, look, to the owner, there's a whole bunch of things you need to have done around here and you've got nobody to do them.
	I will do them.
	And you have a job right then and there.
	You don't need any resume.
	You don't need any college.
	You don't need any experience.
	No, but you better know what you're talking about.
	You will have a job.
	And you will learn.
	If you use that job as an opportunity to learn.
	Unfortunately, 99.9% of the people try to get by with doing the minimum that they can in their job, and they don't make an effort to learn.
	I know.
	They live for the weekend.
	9 to 5.
	They do, as you point out, as little as I'll tell you a little experience I had, Wayne.
	When I was young, one of my first jobs was for International Telephone and Telegraph, IT&T, in New Jersey, Nutley, New Jersey.
	And they had cost-plus contracts there.
	We were making microwave communications vans for the government.
	and i was uh... testing microwave uh...
	uh...
	before s w r and
	uh...
	i will i got work i was a member of our d w
	I had to be.
	And I was working too fast, and I got in trouble.
	I was working.
	I got in trouble for working too fast.
	So did I. I worked for GE for a little while, back at the beginning of World War II.
	Yes.
	And we were building transmitters for the Army.
	And I was on the test line.
	And these other fellows were turning out four or five transmitters a day, and I got busy with it, and I was turning out 20, and they were ready to kill me.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	When there's cost-plus money available, and you're doing it too fast, you make big enemies real fast.
	But if you take advantage of any job that you have, get magazines and books on the subject, and use it as an opportunity to learn.
	And if you go into a small company, you'll be able to learn the bookkeeping, the accounting, the purchasing, advertising, promotion, and so forth.
	I mean, I was testing this waveguide for VSWR, and I was so far ahead of the rest of the line that people took me aside and said, are you out of your mind?
	I mean, it began that way.
	Right.
	You've got to stop this.
	You're going to ruin the whole operation.
	It's going to cost everybody a lot of money.
	Well, they were sabotaging my work at GE.
	That's the basics of having your own company.
	Then you have to figure what product is needed, and I highly recommend that you do not start a mom-and-pop grocery store.
	That you find some product that you can manufacture or have manufactured.
	That people want and need.
	In a narrow field, so that it's easy to advertise and promote.
	If you're doing something that everybody wants, you're up against all of the big companies as far as advertising is concerned.
	Alright, I started to do this and I want to finish.
	You send out a list of books, I know you've got that, and then you've got something else.
	What is it you're willing to send people?
	I think one of them is free and one of them will cost you $1 or $2 or $5 or something.
	Well, I have a catalog that lists everything and gives the basics of what I'm teaching.
	Most of my books are $5.
	I should charge $500 for them.
	I've made most of my books are five dollars. I should charge 500 for them, but I have the
	secret guide to health.
	I have found the secret, and you've heard it too.
	For instance, Dr. Lorraine Day cured her cancer, and anybody who follows her routine will be able to cure their cancer.
	I'm not sure that's true.
	Well, I'm pretty sure, because I've got that from a number of different sources.
	Dr. Byler, Dr. Comby.
	I think it's true in some cases.
	And this will also, I'm quite convinced, cure AIDS also.
	Well, I think that also is true in some cases.
	This is what Dr. Acombe has found.
	I know AIDS at one time was an absolute death sentence, and it is not regarded that way anymore.
	That's right.
	Well, when I first found out ways that you could cure AIDS, the AIDS people were furious.
	They were very upset with me.
	But I have a growing number of letters here from people.
	I had a call just a couple of days ago from a fellow who had emphysema.
	And in a few weeks, instead of not being able to walk up two or three stairs, he's running up and down stairs.
	How?
	By getting his immune system back in strength so that it rebuilt his body.
	How?
	Oh, um, simple.
	Number one, stop putting poisons in your body.
	Number two, give your body the nutrition that it was designed to handle over a million years.
	And give it plenty of pure water.
	Sunlight.
	Water is good.
	Without glasses on.
	And exercise.
	Risk walking.
	And no sugar, which is a deadly addictive poison.
	And so forth.
	No smoking.
	Oh, of course not.
	You said something about you're going to stop.
	Well, yeah, I've made some attempts lately.
	I don't want to talk about it because I'm failing.
	I know, it is a terrible addiction.
	The more that you can discourage youngsters from that, the better.
	I agree, of course.
	I think some of the rabid anti-smoking stuff goes over the line.
	Anyway, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
	Hello, this is Chris up in Fairbanks, Flasco.
	Fairbanks.
	Is it getting cold up there?
	Well, it's the one they called on the prediction night, number 71, the new power source.
	Odd that you have Wayne Green on, talking about cold fusion.
	But yeah, it's about 25 below, so it's actually warmed up by 25 degrees.
	Well, that is warm.
	It's that global warming.
	It's kicking in.
	Finally.
	I have a couple of questions.
	One is, we're starting an experimenters group up here, and we're getting all the Tesla patents.
	We've got a CD coming in.
	And we have a couple of these books, and we're going to start building those.
	But my first question is, where can we get reliable information on cold fusion?
	Stuff where we can build like these small kits.
	Yeah, that's a really good question.
	Wayne, can he get from you reliable information on cold fusion?
	Yes.
	I publish a cold fusion journal.
	How much is that for you?
	In the back issues, I only have packages.
	It's in my catalog.
	It tells about the different packages of back issues.
	And they show complete diagrams and specifications Uh, for cells that have been patented and so forth.
	Okay.
	One of the other things is I remember at one time you were talking about how to start a newsletter.
	Oh yeah.
	What we want to do is with this experimenters group, we're going to build these experiments and test them.
	And we want to put together a newsletter and sell it.
	Well, of course my recommendation on that is to buy a used, and it doesn't hardly make any difference how old it is, a used Macintosh and get PageMaker and you're in business.
	Okay.
	And a used laser printer.
	My golly, I've got a laser printer here that's ten years old and it's still going.
	Yeah, those things are a beast.
	I think you can buy these for two or three hundred dollars used.
	And what was the third book?
	You have The Secret Guide to Wealth.
	We have The Secret Guide to Health, The Secret Guide to Wealth, and The Secret Guide to Wisdom.
	Okay, and those are each five dollars?
	Yep.
	All right, and also there is a free, I think there's a free list that you can get, or at least there was, or have you?
	Yep, there's a free, I have a, well I have a catalog which lists everything that I have, and that's also available on my website.
	All right, but not everybody has a pewter yet, so how do they get the free list, Wayne?
	Well, send it to, send a self-addressed stamped envelope to Wayne Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, 0-3-4-4-9.
	Wayne Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, 0-3-what?
	4-4-9.
	4-4-9.
	Marked down from 0-3-50.
	And then they'll... Don't confuse people.
	And you'll send them a free list of everything they can order.
	That's right.
	Alright.
	If you just remember Wayne, it'll get to me.
	Or Green.
	Well, as a science man, it doesn't make much difference.
	Any of that stuff will get you... All right.
	I've gotten tens of thousands of letters from your listeners, and I do want to take an opportunity to thank them so much for writing, and I particularly enjoy it when they tell me about themselves and not just send me a, you know, just a plain old stamped envelope.
	But they should send a self-addressed stamped envelope, right?
	That's very helpful.
	Yeah.
	But I do love to hear from people.
	And I try as best I can to answer as many letters as I can, but when I come in by the tens of thousands, that's difficult.
	It gets hard, I know.
	But nevertheless, you'd like to hear a little bit about them?
	Oh, you bet.
	Okay.
	I'm sure that can be arranged.
	Wayne Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, 03449.
	Or Wayne, or just Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, Science Guy, 03449.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Green Wayne.
	Yeah, this is Pop.
	I'm listening on WKRC 55 in Cincinnati.
	Yes, sir.
	First off, as a vet, I'd like to thank both you guys for your service to the country, both during the military and since you've gotten out.
	You're very welcome.
	Anyway, I've got a couple of questions.
	As a ham radio operator myself, I was wondering, I've got an old-style tech license.
	I've had it for about a quarter of a century and never bothered to upgrade.
	Boy, are you lucky.
	Lucky, lucky, lucky, because if you If you have the license prior, what, an 87 or something like that?
	That's right.
	Then you can automatically be upgraded to a general without doing a doggone thing except going to visit a V. That was my question.
	Well, there's your answer.
	Excellent.
	Also, you might want to tell Keith that forget the Mac and forget Windows.
	He needs to go to Unix.
	Keith has this thing about Mac users and he wants email on it.
	He thinks they're lower than human and I don't know.
	Yeah, Wayne, I started reading your 73 magazine, and then when Kilobyte came out, I got into that.
	I was always interested in the computer stuff.
	I wrote my first computer program back in 67.
	Oh, my word.
	Fortran.
	But anyway, that was a long time back.
	We remember Fortran, COBOL, RPG2, and so forth.
	It's a good thing somebody remembers it, or we'd all be in the cave ages right now.
	All right, listen, we've got a break here at the bottom of the hour.
	We'll be right back.
	Wayne Green is my guest, and we'll do another segment directly ahead.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
	This is the music, trying to move on.
	I'm walking in rhythm, singing my song.
	Thinking about my baby, trying to get home.
	Walking in rhythm, moving in sound.
	I'm into the music, trying to move on.
	It's been so long since I've seen her.
	I'm tired and full all alone.
	I've traveled so far.
	And so we begin.
	We see a light in our hearts on the table.
	We stumble it in.
	Our love is a flame.
	I'm gonna sing, oh, stumbling in Our love is a flame
	Burning within Now in this firelight, oh, can't you stumble in?
	Wherever you go, whatever you do, There'll no be a reckless thought of mine of following you.
	I'm falling for you, whatever you do, Cause baby you've shown me so many things.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Costa Costean from January 5th, 2000.
	I'm gonna do it for you Our love is alive, so it begins You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Costa Costa and from January 5th, 2000.
	Like that record.
	Our love is alive, and so it begins.
	with it.
	Something nice about that line, isn't it?
	Alright, Wayne Green is here, and he'll be here for another segment coming up in a moment.
	Alright, back now to Wayne Green in New Hampshire, where it's coming up on 5 o'clock, I guess, in the morning.
	Wayne, I know you have had a lot to say about education in America, and The current state of education in America and what you think ought to be done.
	What should be done?
	Well, we have an educate, pardon me, a school system.
	Almost used the wrong word there.
	We have a school system which is about one of the worst in the world as far as the scores go when they have competitive tests.
	A lot of people say the whole thing ought to be torn down and start again.
	Well, we have a lot of misinformation, disinformation.
	You know, they say, well, if we had more money, we'd have better teaching.
	Well, they've tried that, and there's never been any sign that putting more money into it does more than give more administrators, and it has not increased the scores.
	The school that I see in the future will be one that is running 50 weeks of the year, and the students will be able to go when they want.
	And take whatever course they want, or study by themselves.
	Now we have a school very similar to that down here in Framingham, Massachusetts, known as the Sudbury Valley School.
	And I have eight books here that I've read about the school and I've gone down there and visited it.
	They have no curriculum.
	They have no grades, no tests.
	The students, the kids, learn what they want, when they want.
	And it's working beautifully.
	And of course, the responsibility is on the kids to learn, where it should be, instead of forcing them.
	And if they feel like walking into town instead of being in the school, fine, there's no problem.
	And that works.
	And it works.
	And they are turning out superb graduates.
	And they take kids from 4 years old on through 20.
	How do they take the graduates, Wayne, on to the next level?
	Or secondary education level without a grading system?
	The colleges are accepting them.
	All of the colleges are accepting them.
	Because they've shown what they can do.
	That's quite remarkable.
	Yep.
	Now, why is that?
	And I review a couple of the books about it in my Secret Guide to Wisdom.
	And tell you where you can get them.
	And they're very inexpensive.
	And as I say, there are eight books out on this school.
	That's the way things should be going.
	All right.
	And again, this is just one of the things available that you can get.
	If you want a list of the things that you can get, send Wayne, please, at least a self-addressed stamped envelope.
	Don't forget that, because when you get tens of thousands of responses to something, it just becomes impossible.
	You've got to have a self-addressed stamped envelope in there.
	And send it to Wayne Green in, what's the name of that town?
	Like in John Hancock.
	Hancock, New Hampshire.
	New Hampshire.
	03449.
	Very good.
	Here we go.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Wayne Green.
	Hi.
	Hello from Hawaii out here.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes.
	Well, I want to say thank you to you, too, real quick, Art, because I was in the beans and bullets mentality a year and a half ago.
	And from that, I got into community planning and got a task force put together on the island of Kauai along with the mayor.
	Nothing happened, but we got our hurricane plan revamped, and a whole island of people working together.
	Well, you can sure use that, because you had a hell of a hurricane not long ago.
	Yeah, but I've got a question for Mr. Green.
	Can you buy before you can fly?
	In other words, can I own a ham radio before I have a license?
	Oh, yes.
	Okay.
	Well, yes.
	There is one qualification to that, I think.
	Mostly, you can buy a ham rig anytime you want.
	I think, though, that with linear amplifiers, they require for certain bands that you produce a ham license so that it doesn't get into the hands of a CB'er, like that really works.
	But they try it anyway.
	And so isn't that right, Wayne?
	Can't he get a ham rig?
	Wayne?
	Oh, I lost Wayne.
	Wayne went into the ether.
	Anyway, that is the answer to your question.
	Let me try to call back Wayne live on the air right now.
	These things do occur.
	Let me see here.
	We'll see if he's wise enough to hang up the phone since we, the phone company, did him in.
	I've got it anyway, you know, these things happen.
	Is that you, Wayne?
	Yeah, the phone gremlins are at it.
	Yeah, I know.
	Hold on, let me get rid of the echo.
	There, hopefully.
	Ah, that's much better.
	Okay.
	The question was, can he buy a ham rig before he gets a license?
	Oh, certainly.
	There's no restriction on that.
	I wouldn't recommend using the transmitter part of it, but the receiver is wonderful.
	And that way you can listen, and then when you get your license, you can transmit.
	Exactly.
	And if you have a ham friend, he can come over and you can use your transmitter with him there.
	If you do transmit before you get licensed, Mr. Hollingsworth We'll have your arm removed at the elbow.
	Well, they are getting more and more touchy about that.
	I know they are.
	And that's not touchy-feely.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
	Hello.
	Hi, good morning.
	You had a little glitch, too, on the West Coast.
	I'm looking at KSFO.
	It was like 120.
	You were asking way too many questions, and both of you went off the air for about 30 seconds.
	But it's not Y2K related.
	Well, I'm just... I have a question about antennas.
	I live in an apartment, so I can't really do this experiment.
	I was surfing the internet, and I came across this article called, Experiment with Ground Antennas.
	Now, instead of an aerial antenna, what they suggested to do was, you take a copper, like a two-foot copper pipe, and put it, and basically drive it You know, into the ground, and then you take a wire from that copper pipe and attach it to your antenna on your radio.
	And what they're saying, what happens is that over a course of days, it starts to saturate.
	It starts to bring in radio signals from, instead of it bouncing off that radio, I don't know that much about it, but instead of it bouncing off the atmosphere and whatever it does, It brings it in direct lines, and as these days go by, you get these signals that you never would have on your radio coming, these really small signals coming in and becoming larger and larger and larger.
	Have you ever heard about anything like that, where the antenna would be underground?
	I think this is a prime candidate for an April issue.
	Well, you know, Wayne, there really are some weird things that occur There are underground antennas.
	The military did a lot of experiments on underground antennas.
	It can be done.
	Now, driving a rod into the ground is more like a traditional ground.
	That's right.
	But I don't actually... I really don't rule out what the man says.
	In a weird kind of way, you can get reception that way.
	Now, it's not the ideal way to do it, but there's something about that, Wayne.
	You can put a dipole, for example, and bury it in the ground, and have some success, and very low noise.
	It's kind of weird.
	Well, if you have a quarter-weight piece of wire going to the ground, that will give you a little better... Certainly will.
	Or a half-weight.
	Pardon me, a half-weight.
	That way, you want to have low impedance at both ends.
	Well, it's interesting, Wayne.
	I've got Of course, I live on the desert where the ground is not hot.
	But, you know, I dug a 10-foot hole for this tower.
	A big, giant hole.
	And it was filled with 14 yards of concrete.
	And there's an extensive grounding system below it.
	And it runs into the shack.
	And that thing is actually a pretty damn good antenna.
	So, there's something to what he says.
	And I don't know if anybody's done a lot of experimentation with it.
	There really is, and it's particularly a good antenna on long wave, like on AM frequencies.
	It's remarkable.
	And I went, what?
	How can this be?
	And yet it is.
	So I have no answer for it, but he's sort of right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
	Hi, this is Matt in Dallas, listening on 570 KLIF.
	Cliff, yes.
	Yeah, I had really kind of a statement, kind of a half statement question here.
	Me and my cousin are working on setting up a business ourselves.
	My basic concept here is that the way to get rich in this country is to find something that other people are perfectly capable of doing themselves but are basically too lazy to do.
	Does that sound good to you?
	I mean, does it work into the philosophy?
	I was looking at your website, and there's a lot of good information about your books and stuff, and I'm going to be hitting it with my credit card soon.
	Pretty interesting stuff you're having on tonight.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And there is a lot of stuff people are too lazy to do and perfectly willing to pay, probably easily won money in the market to do.
	Well, I'll tell you, I don't know if you've been watching the markets, but It's like an endless boom, Wayne.
	That's right.
	No, it doesn't seem to have a downside yet.
	Maybe Gordon Michael Stallion will be able to drive it down.
	He's a buddy of yours there in New Hampshire.
	Right, yeah, we have lunch every now and then.
	At least a neighbor.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	The way you were talking about cold fusion, it sounds like you've done quite a bit of investigation into it.
	If this is really a plausible possibility and it's just a matter of a hundred thousand dollars or a few hundred thousand dollars that's preventing the necessary research to fine-tune it, is anybody working on maybe like trying to pull some investors together or organize something?
	I was thinking even like there are so many listeners that Art Bell has If somebody could even start a little company and get a few hundred thousand interested people to even just put in a few dollars a piece, you'd have the necessary funding and you could totally bypass the universities.
	Well of course the problem there is one of communication.
	How do you get in touch with 10,000 people to put up $10 each?
	ten thousand people to put up ten dollars each well not easy i think art bell uh...
	could uh...
	maybe service sort of a uh...
	flashpoint or focal point for uh... somebody to pull something together here
	Thank you.
	Anything like that is possible.
	I personally, I find it hard to believe that if cold fusion was repeatedly demonstratable, there would not be an immediate, I mean, hundreds of thousands of dollars is nothing.
	Nothing.
	And somebody would be an entrepreneur enough to come up with that kind of money, if not a lot more.
	Right.
	And so I have some doubts about that.
	I just can't believe it's being suppressed the way it is successfully, if it really is viable.
	But that's me.
	How do you answer that, Wayne?
	Well, one way to answer it is I'll be glad to send you some copies of the Cold Fusion Journal.
	And you'll see the work that's been done, and you'll see the technical articles explaining the physics behind it.
	And this is a whole new branch of physics.
	Right.
	So then how much of a jump is it from that to commercial viability?
	You said it yourself, $100,000.
	Say you're wrong.
	Say it's a million.
	So what?
	So what?
	I mean, it would be done.
	Well, we only have two or three experimenters working with it, and they've run out of money.
	That's astounding.
	The leading fellow is, of course, Jim Patterson down in Sarasota, Florida, who has all of the patents.
	The Patterson Cell.
	Right.
	And he's demonstrated that at... probably was a poor thing to do, but he demonstrated it at a power conference.
	And I think he scared the hell out of them.
	Well, let's walk into the den of...
	Exactly.
	Well, you don't do that.
	You've got to do some sort of alternative power thing first and make that circuit.
	Right.
	You don't walk into the den of wolves.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Wayne Green and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	This is Jeff calling.
	I'm just west of Wheeling, West Virginia.
	Yes, sir.
	We're sorry.
	The next tell number you are trying to reach is not in service at this time.
	Please check the number and dial again.
	All right.
	See, we just lost that caller.
	Thank you, lady.
	We're sorry.
	Yeah, I know you're sorry, and it's not Y2K related either, right?
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Sorry.
	Turn your radio off on.
	Okay, just a second.
	It's got to be off when you call, otherwise you will be confused.
	Yeah, that time delay really throws you for a loop.
	It does, yes.
	Okay, you were talking about your education earlier, and I think that, first of all, schools should go back to the basics, reading, writing, and arithmetic.
	Oh, I agree.
	They've gotten off into weird stuff now, and they're not teaching reading, obviously.
	I can tell you they're not teaching writing either from the letters that I get.
	No, and what else they're doing is they're letting students... There's this Montessori school or something like that which lets students learn at their own freedom if they choose to work.
	That's not appropriate.
	Students, if they're given the choice to work or not work, most will say, well, to heck with it.
	If I don't have to, I won't.
	But they don't do that.
	That's not true.
	There's been no proof that that works that way at all.
	When they're left on their own, you can't stop them.
	Kids love to learn.
	They are so excited about learning.
	And you take a baby right from the very beginning.
	They're into everything.
	They want to learn.
	They want to learn.
	It's built right into us.
	I meant the type of school where, you know, it's like, okay, if you choose to.
	Alright, I remember school and I have my comments, too.
	Maybe it's changed and maybe it hasn't, but Wayne, I remember sitting in class In history class, for example, and it was so damn boring.
	Exactly.
	It was like watching grass grow.
	And you were lucky not to fall asleep.
	On the other hand, if you watch the History Channel on television, it's captivating.
	Exactly.
	And you learn.
	Yep.
	I don't think schools change.
	I think they still sit there making memorized dates.
	It depends on the teachers you have to.
	Teachers have to learn almost public speaking.
	Because you're speaking a monotone voice the whole time.
	That's right.
	They also should take calculators out of the classroom.
	I've gone through all of my high school math.
	I know how to do it on a calculator, but if you put it in front of me without a calculator... No way, huh?
	I'm stuck.
	Alright, well then you just pointed out to the both of us exactly part of what's wrong, Wayne.
	It's always a pleasure to have you on the air, and we will have you back soon again and cover other topics.
	More topics?
	Oh, we've got a lot more to talk about.
	Of course.
	So, now... You know, one thing we've never discussed is what it's like to be in a submarine in World War II.
	We can talk about that next time.
	Let's do that.
	In the meantime, for a free list of what you can get, if you don't have a computer, then send Wayne Green a self-addressed stamped envelope.
	Wayne Green, Hancock, New Hampshire.
	0-3-4-4-9.
	That's really easy.
	Or Wayne, just even Wayne, in Hancock, New Hampshire.
	Right.
	And the website?
	The website is linked from ours.
	Right.
	Thank you, Wayne.
	Okay, thank you, Art.
	Good night, my friend.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
	And now, here's a look at the trailer.
	Holding you was a warmth that I thought I could never find.
	I'm just trying to be kind, or stay by your side.
	I know I could cry, I just can't find the answers to the questions that keep going through my mind.
	Hey babe, you've got a shot.
	Give her a shot.
	Give her a shot.
	I'm just trying to be kind, or stay by your side.
	I've seen visions of someone like you in my life.
	A love that's strong, reaching out, holding me through the darkest night.
	I'm just trying to survive, but stay by your side, I don't want to cry.
	I just can't find the answers to the questions that keep going through my mind, baby.
	Here's my sign.
	I'm in the night today, falling in love with you today.
	Rainier Radio Networks presents Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight's program originally aired January 5th, 2000.
	Wayne Green is really a special person, isn't he?
	77 years old and still romping and stomping.
	That's Wayne.
	I'm Art Bell and we've got a, well, almost an hour of absolutely open lines straight ahead,
	so anything you want to talk about, spare a game.
	All right, here we go.
	Open lines.
	Anything you would like to chat about is fair game.
	I try to get open lines in.
	Some open lines every single night.
	Headless.
	There's headless people in the lower part of California.
	Not Southern California.
	Baja.
	Got a story about it here.
	Headless people.
	There are nearly neckless people in the NFL, and I wonder if they could use headless people.
	I mean, with headless people, you wouldn't have to have a helmet.
	All there would be would be this massive body hitting you.
	Boom!
	I suppose I'd still have knee problems.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Good morning.
	Art Bell.
	Yes, indeed.
	That would be me.
	W-6-O-B-B.
	That would be me.
	Do you QFL?
	Yes.
	You know, for a while I didn't, and the reason is because I couldn't find my damn cards.
	But I found them, and I have many, many cards.
	Now, finally, again, I had them, I lost them, and I have now relocated them.
	In fact, to prove it, I will take a webcam picture of one of my QSL cards in just a moment.
	I have a whole box of them here.
	See, what happened is I lost them for a while.
	Now, a QSL is a confirmation of a contact.
	Hold on, I'm going to take a webcam picture, just so you can see them, and I'll leave that up there for a little while.
	For all those who don't believe, I'm going to take that picture right now.
	Okay, I've just taken the picture so they can go up to my webcam and see me holding my QSL card.
	Yes, I QSL!
	I had the distinct pleasure of talking to you on your trip to Michigan.
	Oh, you were one of the ones who heard us in the aircraft, huh?
	On both 2-liters and 446 on UHF all the way across Wisconsin.
	Well, you definitely should have one from us.
	I am from northeastern Wisconsin.
	Okay.
	Cold country.
	Is it getting cold up there, finally?
	Oh, it's terrible.
	Really?
	Really cold.
	Really?
	Have you ever watched A Christmas Story by Gene Shepard?
	The story of Ralphie who wants the Red Rider BB gun.
	I have not.
	Why?
	Well, Gene Shepard is a silent key, unfortunately.
	I didn't know he was a ham.
	That I'm aware of, yes.
	He just passed away.
	He was, I guess, the voiceover of Ralphie.
	Ralphie was a young boy that went to his mailbox every day looking for the decoder ring.
	And it never came.
	Now I did have a decoder ring.
	I got one of those.
	Every day I go to my mailbox looking for a USL card from Art Bell.
	You sent me one.
	I sent you one.
	Alright, well we have a backlog and as I said, I just found my cards.
	So, hang in there.
	And maybe you might want to send another card.
	I'm not sure.
	Did you send a self-addressed stamp envelope?
	You bet I did.
	You did?
	I also sent you a videotape.
	I have no excuse whatsoever.
	Of my station.
	So, I don't know what happened.
	I know there was a big backlog because I couldn't find them.
	I have this closet.
	Now, when you see a picture of my room, it looks really neat.
	And it is.
	My whole room is really neat.
	But when it comes to my closet, it's like, it's like hell in there.
	I'm serious.
	It's like, you can open the door, and enough stuff could fall down to kill you.
	And that's where they were.
	So, every now and then, I go in there and I clean out my closet, and then two years will pass, and I have to clean it out again.
	And I found my card, so, hopefully you're in the backlog.
	If you are, you'll get a card.
	If you're really desperate, and you need your decoder ring right away, well then, send another to be sure.
	Okay.
	I believe that hindsight is 20-20.
	I've recently been going through some old issues of QST and 73 Magazine.
	Ham-related magazines?
	Yes, of course.
	And Wayne Green, who I wish I could have gotten a few minutes earlier.
	Back in the olden days, in the 70s, I read his magazine and Wayne's articles were always a little, I don't know, left-field?
	They still are.
	He hasn't changed.
	But he's always been years ahead of his time.
	Hindsight is 20-20.
	Take some 20-year-old, 73 magazines, and some 20-year-old QST magazines, and read them now.
	You got it.
	The QST magazines are a joke.
	Yup.
	And Wayne was right on the money.
	That's right.
	And people were calling him a fool then, and they call him a fool a lot of times now.
	But the fact of the matter is, even at 77 years of age now, he's years ahead of his time.
	That's why I have him on the air.
	I certainly have a lot more respect for his editorials now, comparing his old issues.
	It's canny, the way his old ideas on digital modes of communication back then were right on the money.
	I know, and they thought he was a heretic then.
	Thanks for the call, sir.
	Thank you.
	Wayne Green has always been years and years ahead of his time.
	There's a problem with that.
	There's an upside and a downside.
	The upside is sometimes you make a lot of money.
	And then sometimes you're called a heretic, a fool, an idiot.
	What?
	Digital communications on ham radio?
	Never!
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, I'd like to talk with Art Bell about the cancer problem.
	This is Darden from Geek Harbor, Washington.
	Okay, Darden, well that's me, but I'm not an expert on cancer.
	What do you want to say?
	Am I on the air now?
	Well, yeah.
	When I say, West of the Rockies, you're on the air, that has actual meaning.
	Okay.
	Well, what I'd like to do is, I wrote something about 1984, and it kind of summarizes some thinking about the cancer problem, and I think the average person should be able to understand it.
	It's not that technical.
	Steps in reasoning about the problem and then it kind of points to a solution.
	Which is what?
	Well, there's an electromagnetic field underlying the process of growth in the organism.
	You mean as in a tumor or whatever?
	In all cancers.
	The definition of cancer by the National Institutes of Health, this was taken again about six years ago from a publication, says that it occurs when a particular cell or group of cells begin to multiply and grow uncontrollably.
	Yeah, that's cancer.
	Right, and so the attention needs to be centered on an analysis of uncontrolled multiplication and growth.
	But before you can do that, you have to analyze the fundamental physical forces underlying
	normal morphology and growth in an organism, which means that if you can discover the actual
	controlling forces, then we're at a starting point here as far as understanding what's
	actually causing the cancer.
	All right, but scientists know the way cancer multiplies.
	I mean, they can observe that.
	And we have blunderbuss treatments of chemicals and radiation and so forth to try and kill the cancerous cells before you kill the patient.
	What have you discovered that would change that treatment?
	Well, there was some work done at Yale University Medical School back in the 1930s.
	It was an analysis of the problem of organization in biology that was done by Professor Northrup at Yale.
	That was his doctoral thesis.
	Yes.
	And he was joined later by Dr. Burr at the Yale Medical School.
	Okay, but I guess I'm asking for specifics.
	Okay.
	If there's a controlling force as far as the control of growth in an organism, Then it has to be global.
	In other words, it has to involve all cells.
	So if you can find some materials in cells that make up the structure of cells that are involved in this, then we should be in the right direction.
	They're doing that now.
	Well, let me tell you what the... In other words, they're doing for certain kinds of cancers.
	They're taking a sample of the cancer, the tissue, they're doing a genetic analysis of it, and then they're providing people with inoculations experimentally that attack those particular cells.
	Those inoculation programs are underway in Southern California and elsewhere.
	Are you familiar with the term liquid crystals?
	Yes.
	There are biological structures I tell you what, communicate with me privately on this.
	This is getting a little deep for talk radio, so get to me privately.
	Send me some mail or email or something.
	Alright?
	Okay.
	Thank you very much.
	It's getting a little tough for an awful lot of the audience.
	And it sounds like we have a lot of talking to do about that.
	I'm pretty hopeful about some of the inoculation programs they're working on now, and I think the ultimate answer to cancer, that's just my view, is going to be the unraveling of the human genome.
	And they're already making tremendous progress in that area.
	Not fast enough for many, but they're going as fast as they can.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Is this the Arbil program?
	That it is.
	Okay.
	I'm not on the internet.
	An hour and a half to get on here.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	the wild thing at seven seven five seven two seven one two nine five
	Yeah.
	now i have to get on here i was i i i had to eliminate your call because i
	would give your address out i don't want to do that all of the work that's right
	your hand anyway yeah okay and uh... i think that's a lot of uh...
	qrp operator here at the pilot credit to on the phone but that
	That means a low-power operator?
	Right.
	Okay.
	I just wanted to make a couple comments here.
	My son said he had talked to you some time ago on the 75 Meters one night, so I kind of got interested and decided to listen to your program, which I have for a few times, and I wanted to say hello to your guest there tonight, Wayne Green, if he's still on.
	No, he's not.
	Okay, yeah, I missed him then.
	I just was interested in that, no questions really, just want to make a couple of comments here.
	One mainly that I've been on Ham since the early 60's and back in the early 70's there was a radio called Ham Radio Horizons.
	I remember that.
	Yeah, and it was a very fascinating magazine I think for the beginning of Ham.
	You know, since they're trying to recruit young people today it was a very fascinating magazine.
	Apparently something happened and they went broke and they're no longer in print.
	So that was about all I'd say.
	Well, unfortunately that's happened to a lot of publications and that's because Ham Radio, of course, is on the decline at the moment now.
	The change the Federal Communications Commission just made may reinvigorate it.
	An awful lot of people have been stopped by the code requirements.
	And let's be honest with ourselves for a moment, shall we?
	Code is, I'm glad I learned it.
	I'm glad I became proficient in it.
	But I don't think that in the contemporary world, it is a requirement to be a good ham operator.
	That's all there is to it.
	As a matter of fact, I don't even like code.
	CW.
	It came to me very easily.
	I was lucky.
	It still remains with me.
	I can do about 20 words a minute.
	But I don't like it.
	I'm a vocal communicator.
	I enjoy talking.
	And the state of the art with regard to the equipment used by Hams now has outmoded CW, frankly.
	There's a place for it.
	I just wish it wasn't on the hand bands.
	Now that's really going to draw some fire.
	And I just think that it's time that we all sort of tighten up the belt a little bit, realize we live in a new world, and open the doors a little bit wider to become more inclusive.
	And the step the Commission has taken, I think, is a good one.
	Toward doing that.
	I don't want this hobby to die with those who are presently licensed, and you should not either.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	Brett from Santa Cruz.
	Hi, Brett.
	West of the Rockies, call toll-free 1-800-618-8255.
	You mentioned there is a rate... I would actually prefer that you don't.
	Okay.
	That's all we're done with.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	Uh, no, that's it.
	Okay, thank you very much, and you have a good night, too.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yeah, this is the RPL Show.
	That's the one!
	Oh, great, great, how you doing?
	Okay.
	Alright, I've got a couple things for you.
	First, I want to tell you a funny Y2K story.
	I'm down here in Houston.
	Yes?
	And New Year's night, we had some guy running around in a World War II APC firing blanks out of the cannons.
	Oh, no.
	You think that would have made the wire services?
	I'm surprised it really didn't.
	They arrested him for disturbing the peace, of course, and took his APC away from him.
	Man, I'll tell you, if you saw an APC coming down the street firing blanks, you'd never know they were blanks.
	Well, no, they had quite a few calls from that one.
	one-off the proper proper proper uh... well
	in a car in a in a sort of a twisted way that uh... that
	uh...
	i've always been an advocate of uh... private citizens having
	atomic bombs so i'd rather
	that kind of thing.
	Well, down here in Texas, we have some people that get whatever they can and put it in their vehicle.
	Yeah, I know.
	All right, sir, thank you very much.
	much or god was driving around in a day pcr uh... who's perfect what
	uh...
	not a good night to do that really and
	Actually, there's never a good night to do that, really.
	And I'm sort of kidding about the atom bomb thing.
	On the other hand, there'd be a lot more respect in the world, and people would treat each other with great respect, knowing that each and every one of them had their own private atom bomb.
	It's kind of the, uh, the mad, what do they call it, mutual assured destruction, mad Theory, right?
	Taken from nation states right down to your local community.
	I mean, are you going to go mess with somebody who's got an atom bomb?
	No.
	Once to the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	First time caller in line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Uh, yeah.
	How you doing?
	Um, I just wanted to ask a question about the cool fusion.
	Yes.
	Would it be putting out less pollution than burning oil and all that kind of other stuff?
	Of course.
	Alright, I mean, I wanted to make a comment.
	Why wouldn't anybody support it if it would make less pollution in the air when everybody's, you know, screaming about saving the planet instead of cutting it out?
	Let's say that you're a cigar-chomping millionaire down in Texas that pumps oil out of the ground.
	Okay?
	Would you be supporting it?
	Well, yeah, you got a point.
	Yeah, I know.
	Okay.
	That's the same point that Wayne Green was making.
	Okay.
	I just said it in a slightly different way.
	Okay, I just caught the end of that deal, you know.
	Big oil is big money.
	It's gasoline, it's oil, it's everything we all need.
	And for as long as they can get it, yank it up out of the ground, process it, and sell it at great profit, that is probably going to continue.
	Wouldn't you think?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, that's your answer.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Take care, sir.
	Here.
	This actually says it pretty well.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Don't touch that dial.
	This guy's name is C.W.
	McCall.
	You're listening to ArcBell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
	We is heading for Bear on I-10, about a mile out of Shakeytown.
	I says, Pigpen, this here's a rubber duck, and I'm about to put the hammer down.
	Cause we are number one, we're rockin' through the night.
	Yeah, we got a little number, Now you want to back off them hogs.
	Ten, four, five, five miles or so.
	Ten, roger them hogs.
	Big Ben, this here's a tug. Now you want to back off them hogs?
	10-4, about 5 miles or so. 10-Roger, them hogs is getting intense up here.
	By the time we got into Tulsa town, we had 85 trucks in all.
	But there's a roadblock up on the cloverleaf, and them bears has walled the wall.
	Yeah, them smokies as thick as bugs on a bumper.
	Leave.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, Well, that was an Orville Redenbacher commercial.
	You know, it's true.
	to our bills somewhere in time on premier radio networks tonight
	and on for presentation of coast to coast a m from january fifth two thousand
	online directly ahead anything you want to talk about it on famous for saying
	is there again well i was a normal red marker commercially you know it's
	true popcorn
	is really irresistible I mean the smell of popping popcorn is probably, it's like coffee.
	There are certain smells in the world that are absolutely, in fact we should do a thing on that one night, that are irresistible.
	Popcorn, coffee, cigarettes if you haven't had one in a long time.
	Let's see, what else?
	There are others.
	There are weird ones.
	You know what I used to really like?
	Know what I like the smell of?
	Vacuum cleaners.
	Now, is that weird or what?
	My mom used to vacuum.
	Whenever she'd vacuum, it was this great smell.
	I don't know what it was.
	Maybe some sort of... It's not just dust.
	It's dust being collected by a vacuum cleaner.
	Now, I don't know why that would be particularly good, but I always enjoyed it.
	Which shows you how weird I am.
	vacuum cleaner Operation I don't even want to say it's a dust
	It's a it's some special special smell that is produced by a vacuum cleaner vacuuming. I don't know what it is
	International line you're on the air hello. Hey, we know you're weird, but that's a point
	That's Ron from day four the cat one calling Do you like the smell of vacuum cleaners?
	Oh, I love to smell a lot of stuff, but my wife don't like the smell of them.
	Vacuum cleaners, it depends what she's vacuuming, though.
	Some are into vacuum cleaners, some are into other stuff.
	It's OK.
	Oh, yeah.
	But anyways, I'm interested in AM radio, too, but I don't have much time to spend at home listening to it.
	But I'm wondering if there are AM radios that are available that can work off An external mobile antenna that you can use in a transport truck?
	Absolutely!
	You know what you can do in your truck?
	What can I do?
	You can get a radio now that will cover almost all the popular ham frequencies.
	You put an antenna up on your truck, you're really fortunate because you're way up there anyway, and you can sit there and drive along the road and talk all over the world.
	Oh, that'd be interesting as far as the talking part, but I'd be more interested in the listening part.
	Well, you can do both.
	But I mean, you could be trucking down the road talking to somebody in Tokyo.
	Oh, that sounds interesting.
	And how would be the reception in a truck?
	Very good.
	It would be, eh?
	Excellent, actually.
	Great.
	Glad to hear that.
	And by the way, the weather up here?
	Yes.
	Very cold.
	We're finally in the winter.
	We had a very, very mild Fall right up to about Christmas time, eh?
	I mean, it's right where we usually have her right now.
	Well, it's about time.
	Well, I wouldn't say so, but I kind of enjoyed that mild weather we were having beforehand.
	Yeah, I know.
	But it may not mean anything really good, you know.
	No, but I agree with you.
	We do have weather troubles all over the world, and I feel sorry for some of these people that are getting the worst of it all, you know, with the flooding and the whole bit.
	It's bad.
	South America, Europe are getting clobbered.
	Thank you very much, sir.
	Okay, Art.
	And pursue that license.
	You'll enjoy it.
	Oh, yeah, sure.
	From one of the big rigs.
	You know, most of them have CB, and I understand that.
	It's a practical thing so they can call each other and warn about cops and stuff like that.
	But you put a ham rig in there.
	One of the new ones are small, too.
	Literally as small as a CB rig.
	And you're running 100 watts or better on HF frequencies.
	You put up an antenna, and you're way up there on that cab.
	And boy, I'll tell you, you'll talk to people all over the world.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Ed Corwin from Nashville, Tennessee.
	Listening to you on WTN.
	Yes, sir.
	I just had a couple of updates on Y2K here in Nashville.
	Oh?
	But before I get to that real quick, I want to say something about that cold fusion.
	I'm pretty sure you can set up a cold fusion fund.
	You can raise that up in no time listening to you on the radio.
	I would imagine so.
	If it's real.
	Right, right.
	Oh, the Y2K thing.
	I'm currently a correctional officer here in Nashville, Tennessee.
	Yes, sir.
	We have extra officers up to our ears down here.
	National.
	Right.
	Currently, it went smoother than a baby's bottom.
	We had nothing happen.
	Right.
	Eventually, they ended up sending everybody home pretty early.
	Well, I'm sure they were happy about that.
	Yep.
	And one more Y2K thing.
	My phone was over for New Year's Eve, and he showed me his pay stub.
	You know what it said?
	What?
	It had all zeros.
	That's not too good.
	You want some sort of digit in front of the zeros.
	Yeah, that's true.
	I've heard people getting like a million dollars in a paycheck now.
	If you got a million dollar paycheck, and you knew you could go to the bank and cash it, well now wait a minute, you're an officer of the law aren't you?
	I shouldn't ask you this.
	Never mind.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Okay, thank you.
	You take care.
	I don't want to push him through that.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Well, how are you, Art?
	I'm okay.
	Glad to see we made it through Y2K, huh?
	So it would seem.
	Yeah.
	You know, I'm calling you specifically because I've had a hard time getting a hold of you through other mediums.
	I was wondering if you received a package that Lawler Productions sent you from Denver, Colorado?
	What did it have in it?
	Well, the package itself was kind of hard to miss.
	It was a great pyramid.
	My package opener and taster of foods is in the other room.
	It was a Great Pyramid?
	It was a Great Pyramid.
	It was about a foot in diameter.
	What was in it?
	A set of videotapes that our company produced on Atlantis.
	Oh, and that's why you put them in a pyramid?
	Yes, it is.
	When did you send it?
	I sent them to you probably three weeks ago.
	Okay, then obviously they have to be here.
	Oh, I just heard a scream from the other room.
	We've got it.
	You do have it?
	Yes.
	Good deal.
	I would appreciate you getting in contact with me, Art.
	My name's Glenn.
	I'm with Lollard Productions in Denver, Colorado.
	Okay, Glenn.
	I'll take a look-see.
	Take a look inside, Art.
	I'll tell you, a lot of things that you've been questioning will be answered in the tape.
	Not necessarily from the Paradigm's point of view that I think that you subscribe to, but nonetheless, there will definitely be some answers there.
	Oh, you know me.
	I won't look at anything.
	I'd appreciate hearing from you, Art.
	All right, sir.
	I really would.
	All right.
	You take care now.
	Take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Going once.
	Going once.
	Oops.
	Oops.
	Are you there?
	Missed him.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes, Mr. Bell?
	Yes, sir.
	Hey, Prescott Valley, Arizona.
	Let me look at it.
	KMOT.
	Okay.
	Listen and talk to a few of your friends on 39-425 out in your neck of the woods, Toby and Jane.
	Toby has moved, I understand, to Texas.
	Yes.
	Well, then he was going up north, him and his boats.
	We tease him about his boats, you know, if you've stayed with the guys.
	But anyway, boy, I'm glad to get in.
	Have you talked to Toby since... What do you mean, up north?
	What do you mean by north?
	Well, he was going to Washington, too, besides the Conroe, Texas thing.
	Is he on the air now?
	No, I'm not on that frequency.
	I'm listening to you on my 440.
	Anyway, gee, God, it scared me here.
	A couple of things.
	You've forgotten, haven't you?
	Well, no, not really.
	I was listening to Mr. Green.
	It was interesting about the ham thing.
	Well, I think the computer stuff is coming in.
	It's so much easier.
	I've seen a lot of hams drop out because it's a lot easier on a computer.
	Yeah, I know.
	I don't have a computer.
	I'm not computer literate, unfortunately, because everybody wants to.
	We're in a group out here, a two-meter group.
	I'm a no-code tech.
	I'm real glad to see about this five-word-a-minute time limit.
	Are you going to jump on it?
	Oh, I've flunked three times.
	At five?
	CW is not my... I was trying to explain that to Wayne.
	And there are some people who just cannot assimilate learning the code.
	It's true.
	Wayne doesn't believe it, but it's true.
	Well, a problem I've noticed with me is when I lose a character, I can't get it out of my mind.
	And then as the tape progresses, when you take the test, you know, I'm still thinking about the other one instead of putting a line in there and going to the next character.
	I can't get it out of my mind.
	But anyway, I had a few things.
	It's good because the British did this about a year ago or so, changed the AARL situation
	to five words for everybody.
	I guess now it's going to be tech, general and advanced.
	I think you're advanced.
	Yes, I am.
	I looked it up in my old 95 call book when I heard your call.
	But anyway, there's a few things.
	On your music, I was surprised that you don't run any of Bob Dylan's verse.
	Especially one I like is Cat Stevens.
	There's some verse in there, A Hard Headed Woman, which I find very apropos.
	Hard-headed woman?
	Yeah.
	They're all hard-headed.
	Yeah, but the one where you have fine-feathered friends and they're friendly, and that depends on how you do, and that verse like that.
	But anyway, this is great.
	Do you hear this?
	Do you recognize this?
	Oh yeah, Lay Lady Lay.
	That's right.
	Yeah, I'm an old village freak.
	Okay, well I'll show you I have it.
	Anyway, on this philosophy of making money, I've been up and I've been down.
	Up is better.
	An old retired trucker.
	Find a need and fill it, eh?
	And you're right, Wayne's right about that.
	Find a bank and rob it.
	Oh, well, you know.
	What was it?
	Somebody once said, why do you rob banks?
	Because that's where the money is.
	Don't rob banks.
	I appreciate your call, sir.
	Thank you and take care.
	Don't rob banks.
	That was just a joke.
	And you said I could rob a bank.
	No, I didn't.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Rick calling from Kansas in a truck.
	Hi, Rick.
	I'm also a ham.
	Yes, sir.
	And the guy called a little bit ago about running HF Mobile.
	I used to do that quite a bit.
	I was trying to explain to him he could sit in there and talk to the world.
	Yeah, I used to talk to a guy up in Pennsylvania every morning and New Zealand.
	Yeah, you can only talk to other truckers so long, you know.
	Oh yeah.
	After a while, it's fun to sit there and go from your cab to South America, Europe, whatever.
	Oh yeah, it's a lot of fun.
	You're talking about tower restrictions and the tower police.
	Put towers up and take them down and stuff for hams in the North Texas area.
	I put up one for a guy in Plano, Texas and his neighbors gave him some problems.
	To make a long story short, uh, uh, if the news got out in the local ham community, uh, uh, you got lots of calls and, uh... I'm beginning to lose you here.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	I understand, though.
	Thank you very much.
	Yeah, there's, uh... More and more around the country, there are the antenna police.
	And they will come, and they will make you take your antenna down, or lower it, or whatever.
	It's horrendous.
	There once was a day in America, and I still live in a place like that, thank God, where you could pretty much... You know, your property, if you owned it, you were actually more or less king of your own property once you had paid for it and so forth and so on.
	Ruler of your own domain.
	Now it's just not true in many communities anymore.
	In the name of planning and conformity and uniformity and blandness and God, I hate it, don't you?
	But it's going on more and more around America.
	They all have to look the same.
	The grass has to be, you know, cut at a certain length.
	They have the grass police.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art?
	Yes.
	I just got off of your website, and I was reading something about the global superstorm.
	Oh, yes.
	I was listening to Rush Limbaugh a couple weeks ago, and he had some stuff on there saying that the Earth's atmosphere was actually cooling down.
	Well, that's entirely possible.
	In fact, the global superstorm, if you read about it, predicts a coming ice age.
	Would you turn your radio off, please?
	Yeah.
	In another house.
	It's in another house?
	Yeah.
	I live next door.
	I see.
	Well, uh... Hold on.
	You live too close to somebody is what I would say.
	Hold on a second.
	Alright.
	God, another house.
	Is he shirt running there?
	Is that better?
	Yeah, that's better.
	Um, so anyway, he was saying it's cooling down.
	Yeah.
	I know Rush takes the position that global warming is bunk.
	But it's not, and he's in a dispute with the top U.S.
	meteorological person in America and Britain, which just issued a joint statement to the contrary.
	Rush is taking a political position on a scientific reality.
	Okay.
	I just ordered your book.
	I'm kind of interested in hearing what it had to say.
	Well, if you were on my website, you go up there and you read The Climate Statement, just issued by the two top people in American Britain.
	Read that.
	Okay.
	All right?
	I highly recommend listeners get on your website and read the first chapter of that book.
	You bet.
	It's really interesting.
	Appreciate it, sir, and it's available, of course, on Amazon.com.
	You can get it through my website.
	If you buy it at Amazon.com, it is 30% off.
	is 30% off. 30% off. It's a great buy.
	And of course, we're going to be in New York signing books next week.
	Wes to the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, hello, Art.
	It's been a long time, Nosey.
	Let me kill this, uh... radio agent.
	Hard to kill.
	Thank you.
	Uh, this is Smoker Dave in Mesa.
	Yes.
	It's been a long time.
	Yes.
	I think I only got ahold of you once since the superglue incident.
	What's up?
	Uh, well, I just, uh...
	Well, I solved the Y2K problem.
	You wouldn't believe the problem that I passed that day.
	So it was you, huh?
	Oh yeah, it all hit me.
	But I got a new computer up now and I finally got the C-SETI screensaver.
	Oh, you mean your computer died?
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah, I lost the configuration files and allocation files on my hard drive.
	That'll do it.
	So I've been offline until tonight.
	I see.
	You wouldn't believe the emails I had to go through.
	Yes, I would.
	Yeah, I guess you would.
	One thing I want to bring up is that down south of me in Tucson, I don't know if you saw the story, but the two major newspapers down there have banned individual gun owners from trying to sell their guns through the classifieds.
	Really?
	They won't run the ad?
	They won't run the ad.
	They'll do it for licensed dealers, but not for individuals.
	That's interesting.
	Unless there is a law.
	Well, I guess they can have any policy they want.
	I suppose they can do that.
	I mean, it's their newspaper, it's a privately owned affair, so if they want to ban people from selling guns, they can do that.
	They have a right as a private business.
	Newspaper is a private business, right?
	Just like a radio station.
	Yeah, I think they have a right to do that.
	I don't know why they would, but they do.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Thank you.
	Nice to talk to you.
	It's Sherry in Phoenix, Art.
	Hey, Sherry.
	How are you?
	Just fine.
	Oh, you sound just fine.
	I wanted to compliment you on your program with Jack Anderson.
	Well, thank you.
	That had to be one of the best interviews I've heard in my entire life.
	Didn't he some?
	Yeah, and so were you for the questions you asked.
	Somehow you always seemed to ask the things that I would Ask if I had both the knowledge and the means, so it's always a satisfying program to listen to.
	The other thing, I just had an idea that has been with me for some time now on the contrail issue, and since I understand your guest of tomorrow evening will be speaking on this matter, I've long believed, just myself, that contrails are in great part responsible for trying to inoculate A large part of the American public.
	You know what, I thought the same thing.
	Is that right?
	Yes, that was my first guess.
	Oh, that makes me feel good.
	That if there was some kind of a secret program going on, I mean obviously something's going on with the contrails, or chemtrails as they're popularly called now, that it would be an inoculation.
	But, my guess tomorrow night Has an entirely different point of view, and I think you're going to find it very interesting.
	Well, you know, I wouldn't miss it for anything in the world.
	Well, he doesn't think that it's to make us sick.
	And he doesn't think it's to inoculate us.
	So, to find out what he does think, you gotta tune in.
	You know I will!
	Hey, listen, tell everybody goodnight.
	Oh, goodnight, America, from the best show in the world.
	Goodnight, thank you.
	Alright, folks, that's it.
	And, as I closed with last night, tonight I will say the same.

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