Art Bell welcomes listeners on January 5, 2000, discussing ham radio with Wayne Green—WWII submarine veteran and editor of 73 Magazine—who highlights Japan’s technical education advantage through ham radio clubs, producing more licensed operators than the U.S. despite its smaller population. Green praises FCC rule changes removing Morse code requirements but criticizes the ARRL for opposing school radio clubs, once a pipeline for 80% of new hams. Callers debate antenna setups in apartments, underground reception tricks, and cold fusion’s stalled progress due to funding barriers, while Green endorses entrepreneurial ideas targeting underserved markets. Bell reflects on ham radio’s decline despite accessibility reforms, linking it to broader cultural shifts like self-paced education and regulatory overreach, ultimately framing the conversation as a call to revive hands-on technical skills amid growing skepticism of institutional oversight. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours, stretching from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands in the west, commercially, to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands in the East, South America in the West, Poland in the North, and worldwide on the internet.
And yes, we are back on streaming audio, and I think you're going to really like it.
Just before I opened the microphone, I took a big bulk of coffee and it went down the wrong way.
I was barely able to do the open.
I'm sure you've had that happen.
I don't know what going down the wrong way means.
I don't think it goes into your lungs exactly, so I'm not even sure what going down the wrong way means, but you know what I mean.
All right, in the second hour, we're going to have Wayne Green here, editor of 73 Magazine at the Ham Radio magazine, and we are going to discuss some changes in ham radio, which is not an exactly a gigantically wide appeal item, I understand, so we'll keep that part of it short and then move on to other things.
But there are some pretty big headlines in the world of ham radio, and I've got a lot of questions for Wayne.
The Associated Press has named Rams' quarterback, Kurt Warner, as most valuable player in the whole NFL.
Now, I wonder if they made that decision before the Eagles game.
There's no way to know.
But, I mean, you've got to give it to them.
The Rams story, and certainly Kurt Warner's story, is amazing.
Man, they have really, really, they picked up the NFL and just shook the hell out of it.
I mean, just coaches and staffs gone left and right.
You either win or you're dead meat.
And there's a lot of dead meat in the NFL.
I'll tell you, they really have been cleaning house.
Holy moly.
The little boy from Cuba has to go back to Cuba.
The U.S. government has decided they are going to send him back.
I guess what they did was an interview with the natural father and determined that it was the proper thing to do.
And a lot of people are very unhappy about that.
In Miami, there are big demonstrations.
And I'll tell you what, the Cuban vote is going out the window.
But the Democrats, I think that's what the net effect is.
You know, I'm not so sure they're making the wrong decision.
I sure don't want to see him go back to Cuba.
But he is the natural father.
Now, if there was something wrong or, you know, something drastically wrong with him, then I guess there would be a case not to send him back.
But otherwise, he is the natural father.
Tough and hard decision, but probably the right one.
It's going to cost him a lot of votes, I'll tell you that.
A lot of votes.
In 1999, more people than ever before.
We actually set a record for people buying new cars.
Did you get yours?
19, make that 16.9 million new passenger cars, pickups, minivans, SUVs, and so forth and so on.
So, car companies are doing okay.
As forecast last night on the show, Senator Kennedy has endorsed Gore.
Usually Kennedy waits until he sees who wins, not this time.
The Clintons, plural, for now, Hillary and the President have unpacked and spent their first night, maybe their only night, in their new $1.7 million home in New York.
The President, of course, is going to have to go back to Washington while Hillary resides.
She's going to run, of course.
Somebody sent me a really funny little fax last night from one of my affiliates saying, hey, Art, have you heard about the new OSHA work rules?
No smoking at home for people who work at home.
They were going to make, they actually were going to make the same rules for people who have an office at home as for the workplace.
And so they were going to just come right into your home and enforce whatever OSHA idiocy exists now.
It's not all idiocy.
I mean, some of it is safety regulation that's good, but in my estimation, OSHA has been known to go out a little far on the limb time to time, and I don't want him in my home.
I don't know about you.
The latest carnage in the NFL, by the way, Mike Ditka canned by the New Orleans Saints.
Mike Ditka, the legend.
The only thing I would have to say here is that I know it's the top guy who is always responsible.
Bad season, the coach goes.
But it seems to me there does seem to be a need for more accountability, you know, like on the field, the players, that kind of thing.
It's not always the coach.
Bitka is one tough mother, I'll tell you.
And I just think sacking the coaches, just a preemptory sack when there's a bad season is not necessarily the right thing.
Sometimes, I'm sure it is, but I think they're a little quick on the gun in canning the coaches when they have a bad season.
All right, the weather.
The two storms which I told you about that devastated France last week, you will be astounded to learn, destroyed upwards of 300 million trees.
That's 300 million trees, and that's from the National Forestry Office in France.
It is, according to the technical director there, quote, a catastrophe without precedent, end quote.
Across the country, vast swaths of woodland have been smashed and or uprooted.
From the orchards of Normandy, the great parks of Paris to the vast plantations in the northeast.
300 million trees knocked down.
I told you those were terrible, unprecedented storms that really the meteorologists don't understand.
They don't understand it yet.
Here's a kind of an interesting email.
Comes from Gary in St. Louis, MVP Country.
Hi, Art.
On tonight's local news here in St. Louis, they showed a 10 to 15 second clip of a huge hailstorm which was south of the equator in either Peru or Colombia, South America.
The hail looked to be, get this four to six inches deep, and firefighters there were having to hose down the hail in an attempt to melt it.
It was commented here that they were in the middle of summer and that they ended up with ice on the ground.
The ice looked more like snow, but it was very deep and covered everything.
Everything.
We're now, I'm getting reports of massive flooding in Brazil, similar to that which occurred in Venezuela.
So far in Brazil, reports of 40,000 homeless.
Can you any longer doubt, I don't think so, that the weather is changing.
Oh, by the way.
As you know, shameless plug time, but not so shameless really.
As you know, Widley Streever and myself have a new book out called The Coming Global Superstorm, and it got a big review in the New York Post today, which was really nice.
Really nice.
By Liz Smith.
You probably know Liz Smith because I think she's syndicated all over the country, but we pulled this out of the New York Post.
You can read it up online if you want to.
I'll read you a little bit of it anyway.
1999, says Liz Smith, was the most violent year in the modern history of weather.
But so was 1998, 1997, and so was 1996.
Anybody who glances at a weather report from time to time can see something extraordinary is happening.
So write Art Bell and Whitley Streeber in their new pocketbooks offering, The Coming Global Superstorm, which arrived to give me something new to fret over at the very moment.
I was just sighing in relief over no Y2K or terrorist havoc.
She goes on, forget Stephen King.
Bell and Streeber have written the scariest poem ever.
And they insist convincingly that it is not fiction.
It's something that could happen and probably is happening.
Well, it is in part fiction, of course.
But yes, Liz is correct.
It may well, sadly, not be science fiction and is, in fact, happening.
Now, the weather is going bad, she goes on, because of a change in ocean currents, temperature and flow, and this will soon release meteorological energy from global warming.
Now, she goes on and on and on.
It's all very positive.
I'm not going to read it all to you, but you're welcome to go up to my website and read for yourself.
We've got a link to the New York Post that was in Did they have a date?
I think it was yesterday's post.
No, I don't see a date here.
It's yesterday's post, I think.
Maybe today's.
Now, the environment is indeed high on the platforms of several candidates for U.S. president, but their view on the thing, on these issues of global warming, vary widely.
The Democrats, Bill Bradley and Gore, agree climate change is a major concern.
Gore allows that, quote, there is overwhelming scientific consensus that human activity is contributing to global warming, which can lead to serious public health consequences and extreme weather, end quote.
Bradley says it's a very serious problem that we need to confront without any further delay.
The Republicans are a bit more skeptical about global warming.
George W. Bush, believing global warming exists, but says both the causes and impact of this slight, he says, warming are uncertain.
Senator McCain from Arizona, who recently posted a narrow lead over Bush in the polls, acknowledges that a growing number of scientists believe that global climate change is a real phenomenon, But adds, the issue must be viewed as a scientific question, not a political question.
Steve Forbes, I've interviewed Steve, the multi-millionaire businessman from New Jersey, dismisses entirely the global warming issue and says, quote, the catastrophic claims about global warming are deeply flawed, end quote.
And that it gets even more radical as you get to Alan Keyes.
Well, I'm very torn on the causes of global warming.
I think there is entirely a possibility that man's hand is putting an extra bit of weight on the change that's occurring anyway.
I believe that.
So I think there's a little bit of both, but the fact of the matter is, too many politicians are in denial about it.
And what it is, I mean, it's going to have either catastrophic Results for all of us.
The world, I mean, not just the U.S. Or it's going to certainly leave a large print very shortly here in our lifetimes.
It's doing that right now.
It should be a pretty wild year, weather-wise.
Anyway, listen, I wanted to promo the fact that I'm going to be in New York.
You can find the coming global superstorm on the web at Amazon.com where they give you about a 30% discount.
Whitley Streeber and myself will be in New York City the week of the 10th, actually, Tuesday the 11th.
You're not going to want to miss this.
We'll be on the Today Show.
You know, the Today Show on NBC?
and then wednesday january twelve in person one time only will be signing books at barnes and noble this is the only book signing that is is ever going to occur for this book the only one so it will be in many ways very historic and the only opportunity
to get signed additions of the book by whitley streber and myself now as it uh...
twelve thirty in the afternoon about lunchtime for you maybe to be a barnes and noble rockefeller center the big one in rockefeller center and again i i reiterate it's going to be the only book signing we're going to do one at one time events and after that
put it this way: the book that you have with both signatures is going to be a rare item indeed, because we'll never be together again publicly to do that.
So there you have it.
Don't miss it, or you've missed it.
I would advise you to get there early.
I'll see what a lot of other stuff.
Headless humans, headless humans.
I've got something on Headless Humans that's hard to believe.
In a moment.
Headless Humans Jonathan in Phoenix sent me a brief facts and something from the New York Times.
And I know it seems impossible, but Jonathan says, some of the older Indians down in Baja, California, that's close to us, folks, claim that a headless race of humans live on an isolated island off the western coast of the aforementioned peninsula.
Indeed, from the New York Times, ever since the Spaniards overran Mexico and California, Lower California has been a place of wonderment and mystery.
Burana Island and Guadalupe Island and the Gulf of Lower California have had more strange tales woven into their human and animal inhabitants than any other part of the Pacific coast.
It was in Lower California that the Spaniards asserted that they had, in fact, found men whose heads do grow beneath their shoulders.
That heads beneath their shoulders.
How could that possibly be?
How could that possibly be, I ask?
But yes, that's what they say here.
Wondrous monsters, they go on of these six and eight-legged variety, and fish with trunks like unto elephants.
So they're really serious about this.
Headless humans.
Not exactly headless, but heads that grow beneath the shoulders.
it's uh...
almost impossible to contemplate but that uh...
folks wrote was from the uh...
times will be right back if you stay where you are The same spot on your radio dot.
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You're listening to Ark Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
No pool, no pets.
Ain't got no cigarettes.
I'll put two hours of pushing broom by eight or twelve orbits.
Broom, I'm a man by no means.
King of Rolls Third boxcar, midnight train Destination banger plane Woo, worn out suit and shoes I don't pay no union dues I smoke all stoggers I have found it
I gotta ride a little teardrop Party You're listening to Art Bell, Summer in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
And that's all he doesn't give us his, well, he does give it his last name, but I'm not going to give it.
He says, Kentucky's worst air disaster occurred today when a small two-seat Cessna 152 crashed into a cemetery early this afternoon in central Kentucky.
Local search and rescue workers have recovered thus far 726 bodies, and officials expect the number to climb as the digging continues into the night.
So, headless humans.
Now, in the NFL, they have almost neckless humans.
You know, when they get in the lineup at the beginning of a game, if you're a fan, they show the players, right?
And some of them, I swear, it's like they don't have necks.
It's like their head is directly connected to their body.
And what little neck there is is as thick as the head itself.
It's amazing.
I don't know how they do that.
They're gigantic.
But what if the NFL could get headless humans?
Think of it.
No more headbutting?
No more helmets.
Just bodies.
Coming at you, bodies.
They wouldn't even make any nasty cracks on the field before they hit you.
Oh, is it going to affect gravity here on Earth is the question.
I'm bailing out of that one.
I don't know what's going on with that guy's phone, but bad news.
Do I think it will affect the gravity on Earth?
No.
I don't.
There are people who think that the alignment of planets will produce some sort of resonance that will do something.
but who knows i mean in the gravity no i wouldn't think that specifically There are some with a theory that the motion of planets about the sun produces a certain something or another, and when the planets all line up, there is this additional effect of motion.
But no, the gravity of the various planets with distance is so little that there should not be an effect.
Two nights ago, on KOGO here in San Diego, on the Rick Roberts Show, Rick Roberts had Larry Flint on his show, and Larry claims to have spent a million dollars in an investigation on George W. And he said that he's not really concerned about people's private lives unless they're running for public office and their public statements conflict directly with their private behavior.
Then he says he thinks they're fair game.
He claims that after a million dollars spent on this investigation, he has damning evidence photographs of George W. in, let us Say, compromising positions, and that this is sexual in nature, and that he's going to release this somewhere around August during the Republican National Convention.
And I'll close now with, again, maybe a prophetic word from the late Frank Zappa.
Maybe it will actually someday in the near future be, Good night, Austin, Texas, wherever you are.
And then the other question is, really, I mean, really, is somebody's private sexual life anybody's damn business?
As long as they do their job, and I make this a general reference now to George Bush with those allegations unspecified, and, of course, President Clinton and many, many others.
People aren't perfect.
People are not perfect.
And as long as they're doing the job that they've been elected to do, then I really do wonder if it is an issue.
Even for an elected official.
I really don't think so.
I mean, if it affects the job they're doing, then it's one thing.
If it doesn't, then I really think we've gone too far.
I really think we've gone too far.
I mean, think of yourself.
What have you ever done, huh?
What have you done behind the bleachers in the back seat of some kind of car?
And maybe you should order the George Carlin tape.
That's actually what George said.
Bigger disasters.
It's what we need.
Bigger disasters.
Here's a kind of an interesting article.
Associated Press in the Boulder, Colorado area, or from that area.
Our researchers now think they might have the answer to what kills seemingly healthy, fit hikers when no cause of death otherwise is apparent.
Guess what they think?
They think the invisible killer might be powerful magnetic fields sparked by lightning.
Lightning itself is a natural suspect, but it is ruled out when no burns or other obvious marks are left by the heart-stopping electrical jolts.
And so there you have it.
Hikers who have been found dead on the trail with no apparent cause are now thought to have been killed by the electromagnetic fields created by lightning.
Do you think, since we're on the subject, that what people did 15, 20 years ago or something sexually in their private lives is the business or should be of the general public?
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No.
Not unless they, you know, sexually harassed my sister or something, you know.
The coming global superstorm available at amazon.com for most of you.
Bookstore is nationwide for most of you and for a few of you.
Once again, I'm coming.
We're going to be in New York for the one and only, and I mean one and only book signing for the coming global superstorm at which Art Bell and Whitley will both appear.
It is Wednesday, January 12th at Barnes & Noble Rockefeller Center at 12:30 in the afternoon, which means you might be able to come by on your lunch hour.
But again, there's likely to be a few people there, so my advice would be, would be to get there early if possible.
You can arrange the time.
I'm kind of looking forward to seeing New York City.
It's been a long, long time for me.
You know, I grew up to a large degree on the east coast and the northeast part of the country.
And grew up, as you know, with WABC in New York.
And it was my old stopping ground.
And I understand they know New York has really changed.
So I'm really looking forward to seeing it.
That would be next week.
Again, on the 12th, let me see you the 12th.
Mark it on your calendar.
January 12th.
Wednesday, 12.30 in the afternoon.
Barnes and Noble Rockefeller Center.
Hope to see you there.
East of the Rockies, you are on here.
Hello.
Hi, Jeremy.
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I just wanted to know if you had heard anything from Madman Mike Markham.
Coming up in a moment is the amazing Wayne Green, 73 Magazine's Wayne Green, the man whose bust, whose portrait stands in the halls of the American Radio Relay League for all to see.
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*music*
Just kidding.
Just kidding.
One morning comes and you're still a bus on the bus and the tourist look on.
And you've thrown away your church and blocked your ticket.
So you have to stay on.
But the drum beats the strains of the night with me.
And there we're nothing you'd want to say.
You know, sometime you're about to leave her, but for now you've got to pay.
And I'll stop there before I'm in too much trouble.
Coming up in a moment is Wayne Green.
Wayne sent me an unusual introduction, he says.
It's more about you, all of you out there, than him.
He is an old guy, 77, and has had a rather unusually exciting and adventurous life, mostly as a result of his interest in amateur radio.
With his many publications, he has helped us have cellular telephones, personal computers, compact discs.
So what can Wayne do for you?
He wants to help you to have a better quality of life, be healthier, able to make as much money as you want, travel, have fun, and raise a family that you can be proud of.
Wayne also wants you and your children interested in the adventure and excitement of amateur radio and what it can provide.
It has gotten Wayne friends all over the world, good friends such as King Hussain, Barry Goldwater, got him the adventure of spending World War II in one of the top scoring submarines as an electronic technician, going on an expedition to a desert island in the Caribbean,
operating ham radio stations from places like Nepal, the DMZ in Korea, the famed American Embassy in Tehran, making ham contacts through amateur radio satellites and moon bounce using the thousand-foot dish at Arecibo,
Puerto Rico, a free round trip around the world while operating a station aboard a plane actually, and visiting amateurs in 26 countries helping to represent the U.S. at an international conference in Geneva, where they made some pretty important decisions about spectrum.
For more details on Wayne's amazing life, you can go to his website at www.waynegreen.com.
And of course, we have a link up there.
You just go down to our guest section and look at Wayne Green, and you'll see his website.
He has written an endless number of books and magazines.
And here's what we're going to do.
We're going to talk at the very beginning for just a little while about ham radio because there has just been a massive edict from the Federal Communications Commission and a couple of other items I want to cover about ham radio.
But fear not, for those of you who are not interested in ham radio, sadly, the greatest portion of the listening audience, no doubt, we will not be on the ham topic for long.
And Wayne is a very controversial person, ham radio side.
And so we'll talk about some of those things with Wayne.
Well, of course, what they've done is said that as of April 15th, the maximum code speed that will be required is five words per minute for all classes.
And that's something that people can learn.
They can pass the five-word per minute test in about one hour of study.
You shouldn't learn code this way, if you're ever serious about code, but you can get to five words a minute by doing nothing more than memorizing each letter.
I have a code course that anybody, I don't care if you're 82 years old or 92, you can learn the code to pass the test at 15 words a minute in one weekend.
I recognize your method is a far better method for attaining the higher speeds.
But the fact of the matter is, the commission has said five words a minute, which means virtually anybody, anybody, can now pass the code test in short order indeed.
And now the old-time hams and the guys at the ARRL are doing backflips.
I mean, they're totally disgusted, and they're saying it's going to bring a class of C beers into the ham bands and all the rest of that, to which I reply...
Well, not only are they already there, because that's human nature, but if we don't do something drastic, in less than a generation, ham radio isn't going to be anymore.
And of course, then the ARL got the FCC to propose a docket which scared everybody so badly that it folded almost all ham radio clubs in schools all over the country.
It closed down thousands of them.
And that was our source of youngsters with these radio clubs.
When I first got interested in radio, I immediately went to the school radio club and they got me to get a ham license.
Yeah, so did I. I went to the school radio club and participated there.
I had a man, you know, a man who helped me out, actually a physicist, really a nice guy.
Paul Weiss in Media, Pennsylvania, was a nuclear physicist, and he took me under his wing and taught me code and taught me theory and taught me physics.
People should know the ARRL, as we call it, the Amateur Radio Relay League, is an organization that fancies itself the sole spokes group for ham radio generally.
And they make decisions and make recommendations to the Federal Communications Commission that sometimes are followed and sometimes are not followed.
But they have a really strong voice with the FCC.
In this case, the FCC did not follow their recommendation.
Nope.
And I say, hooray, we're liable to get new hams now.
But the good news for the general public, the shortwave listeners, people who have contemplated maybe getting a ham license, the good news is, folks, you can go get it now without a problem, five words a minute.
I can talk to you and I can see somebody on the other side of the world without any fading that is associated with shortwave communications or static or anything else.
I can talk to somebody in Beijing or whatever over the internet.
So the internet, that's always been one of the fun things for me is to get out and talk to people anywhere in the world, and you don't know where you're going to talk to next.
And for instance, I used to talk to Robbie over in Nairobi, IZ4ERR.
And he said, you know, why don't you come over here and go on a safari?
And I read a book by George Christian Herder on how to go on an African safari for a safari for $690.
Well, going to Kenya will give you a big education even today.
Oh, yeah.
Believe me.
I've been an advocate, Wayne, that for a long time now I've thought the U.S. government should purchase every citizen at some time in their early life a ticket to a third world country of their choice round trip.
You know, if you're a parent, then listen to me for a moment, because this is the truth.
Wayne Green is here, and we're talking about ham radio.
And I have more than I could possibly ever begin to tell you to thank ham radio for in my lifetime.
My career, almost every job I get or have been able to get during my life, and I've never had a period of unemployment that I didn't desire ever, was largely thanks to ham radio, sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly.
But the technical knowledge that it gave me propelled me all my life, in my career.
So it's a non-trivial pursuit.
And if you want your child to get into something that's really interesting, that can help them all through their entire life, then you will now, because of the change in the FCC, direct them toward the possibility of considering ham radio.
And the best way to do that is to get them a shortwave radio that will get them started.
You know, just pick a little shortwave radio and let them listen to what's going on around the world.
And believe me, a lot of eyes out there will light up.
And from the moment they light up, you've got yourself a child on the way to a good life.
All right, my wife would verify the following for you if she were here to verify it.
She need not come in to verify it.
Well, you can if you want, hon. When we bought the land upon which now my house sits, we both came out and we camped out on the land dreaming about the house, you know, the home and how we would do it and what we were going to do and all the rest of it.
But the first thing I did was to pace off the property in both directions, actually in every single direction, and I put a big X on the ground and I said, there is where the tower is going to go.
And then here is where the house is going to go.
So I measured in every direction to ensure myself I could get the antenna directly into the center of the property.
And then the house was secondary, in my mind, anyway, to that.
So the first spot marked was for my tower.
That was the prime consideration.
Call me consumed and crazy if you wish, but that's the way it is with a radio-infected person like me.
There is the tower, the X on the...
Now, Wayne, the reason I bring that up is because I now have about, I don't know, 3,000 or 4,000 pounds of steel up above me, 100 feet in the air.
I've got a 100-foot tower up, the dream that you have when you're young.
Well, now I have it.
I have a 100-foot tower up, and I think real hard about it, windstorms.
Wayne, around the country, I, of course, live in a very rural area where you can pretty much do what you want.
It's still almost like free America out here.
But I am hearing increasingly around the country now, in towns like San Jose and others, that they are passing local ordinances, and they virtually have what are being called the antenna police.
That's right, the antenna police.
And they're sending them around to hams who have antennas or towers or whatever they've got and telling them they must lower their antennas.
And if they don't, they're in violation of some sort of ordinance or something.
Now, hams are governed by the Federal Communications Commission, federal, not state, not local.
And, of course, FAA regulations.
You don't want airplanes bumping into your antenna and that kind of stuff.
But aside from that, what business is it of any local community to tell you how high your antenna can or cannot be?
Unless, wait a minute, let me specify, unless you have signed some sort of covenant and restriction deal that says you can't have that?
Well, one of the reasons that it's spreading is that there has been no good test case to fight it.
And one of the things that I wanted to do many years ago, and I formed a group to do this called the Institute of Amateur Radio, and we put aside a fund to help any amateur with a legal battle that would affect all of amateur radio.
And the ARL did everything they could to put the Institute of Amateur Radio out of business.
Well, the best that you can get is some copies of past legal rulings on that from the ARL.
It seemed to me that these were battles that were worth fighting, and so I started the Institute of Amber Radio for that purpose, but the ARL figured that that was competition for them.
Now, you know, if somebody starts another medical association, the AMA is going to spend whatever it takes to put them out of business, as they did with homeopathy, and as they almost did with midwives, and as they almost did with chiropractors, and so forth.
And that's the way it works.
Any large organization will do whatever it takes to protect itself.
So in other words, if you're just some lone poor fellow with an antenna and the antenna police come by and tell you you've got to take it down, you have to do it.
Or either that or go spend an unrecognizable amount of money getting lawyers to try and fight it.
I once climbed a 300-foot tower, Wayne, and I went out on a horizontal beam to a station master antenna at the 300-foot level on a 3,000-foot mountain.
So that Mr. Hollingsworth, thank God, has come along and finally begun enforcing the rules again and beginning to clear Dodge out of the undesirable element by removing licenses, issuing fines, and in worst cases, putting people in the clinker.
And that doesn't mean That you cannot have any kind of conversation you want.
It means that people who go on there and use horrendous language and interfere intentionally with other people and so forth are getting caught, fined, and worse, right?
But I think that what they're doing is the old-fashioned way of learning the code and doing it slowly and then gradually speeding up.
And then unfortunately, when you get to about 10 words a minute, you get to the speed of the brain.
And you can't go any faster than that, where you're listening on one side and sending the information over to the other side of the brain to decipher it and then sending it back to write.
So you have to eliminate that by teaching one side of the brain to listen and write without translating.
Our nation must have a technical base of people that have been intrigued with passion to learn about electronics and radio and television and computers and all the rest of it.
And that's what ham radio does.
And if we don't keep it alive, eventually our country is going to suffer from it big time.
The way the Sunspot cycle has been lately, you go on the air on 10 meters, and of course it's open to the world, but what you hear are 10 gazillion Japanese all on there because, as you just pointed out, all the schools have clubs.
So we're going to talk about how do you put up a really cool antenna when you live in an apartment building where they don't allow you to do such things.
Well, here's what I did, and this applies to apartments.
First of all, never ask the manager because they always say no.
Secondly, take a very, very small coax, and you can get little tiny coax if you want to, and then go to Radio Shock if you want, and you can buy this transformer winding wire that is so thin that on a clear day you can't even see it.
And this is what I've done in the past.
And then you wait until the appropriate moment when the manager is not looking, make your way to the roof, sneak your coats up there, and put your antenna just above the roof, and nobody will ever, ever see it.
Well, they'll hear you on the TV maybe, but they'll never see your antenna and they'll never know.
Yeah, I've used a similar thing when I was in college.
They didn't want me to put up any antennas, so I strung a piece of about number 30 wire across a quadrangle and worked out just beautifully on the 160 meters.
And as I mentioned earlier, and Art is familiar with this, they've now developed a system of making discs about one inch in diameter, about the size of a nickel.
Now, the thing that I see coming is making every course that's available in school, K through 12 and on up high school and even college and so forth, available with performers, professional performers doing the teaching and with any kind of video help that you want, just as they did in Toy Story and so forth.
You can have any kind of graphics.
And you're going to be able to teach things and make it almost perfectly interactive for the student.
And they're going to be able to learn these anywhere they are.
Art mentioned something earlier about having kids travel around the world.
I think we're going to do this in a few years.
We're going to have student groups going to different cities all over the world and taking their classrooms with them with a little type of like a laptop.
Solar power is becoming more reasonable, but it still is not nearly, as I can tell, you know, economically it doesn't compete with the low cost of commercial power.
Not yet.
That's right.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
And if you get the ham magazines, and you can find those, if you write to me at Wayne Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, I'll get your information on my magazine.
There are three basic ways that you can never make much money.
Number one is to work for a large corporation.
Number two is to work for the government.
Number three is to teach.
And you're never going to make much money at those.
The way you make money is to have your own company.
But there's a whole bunch of things you need to know to do that successfully.
90% of new businesses fold within five years.
And what I say is, look, figure some field that is so much fun that it doesn't seem like work.
Just like I'm publishing a ham magazine.
Now, what could be better?
All right, if you weren't on the air, what would be better than publishing your own ham magazine?
It's nirvana.
Anywhere you go in the world is a business expense, and so forth.
So anyway, figure some field that you really enjoy.
Find a small company that's providing a product in that field, in your area, and you walk into the company and you say, look, to the owner, you say, look, there's a whole bunch of things you need to have done around here, and you've got nobody to do them.
If you use that job as an opportunity to learn, unfortunately, 99.9% of the people try to get by with doing the minimum that they can in their job and they don't make an effort to learn.
they live for the weekend nine five they do as you point out as little as When I was young, one of my first jobs was for International Telephone and Telegraph, IT ⁇ T, in New Jersey, Nutley.
Yep.
New Jersey.
And they had cost-plus contracts there.
We were making microwave communications vans for the government.
I mean, I was testing this waveguide for VSWR, and I was so far ahead of the rest of the line that people took me aside and said, are you out of your mind?
Number two, give your body the nutrition that it was designed to handle over a million years.
And give it plenty of pure water, sunlight, water is good, without glasses on, and exercise, risk walking, and no sugar, which is a deadly addictive poison, and so forth.
It tells about the different packages of back issues.
And they show complete diagrams and specifications for cells that have been patented and so forth.
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Okay, one of the other things is, I remember at one time you were talking about how to start a newsletter?
Oh, yeah.
What we want to do is with this experimenters group, we're going to build these experiments and test them, and we want to put together a newsletter and sell it.
Well, of course, my recommendation on that is to buy a used, and it doesn't hardly make any difference how old it is, a used Macintosh and get PageMaker, and you're in business.
I've gotten tens of thousands of letters from your listeners, and I do want to take an opportunity to thank them so much for writing, and I particularly enjoy it when they tell me about themselves and not just send me just a plain old stamped envelope.
But I do love to hear from people, and I try as best I can to answer as many letters as I can, but when they come in by the tens of thousands, that's difficult.
Lucky, lucky, lucky, because if you have the license prior, what, an 87 or something like that, then you can automatically be upgraded to a general without doing a dog-on thing except going to visit a VE.
Well, we have a lot of misinformation, disinformation.
You know, they say, well, if we had more money, we'd have better teaching.
Well, they've tried that, and there's never been any sign that putting more money into it does more than give more administrators.
And it has not increased the scores.
The school that I see in the future will be one that is running 50 weeks of the year, and the students will be able to go when they want and take whatever course they want or study by themselves.
Now, we have a school very similar to that down here in Framingham, Massachusetts, known as the Sudbury Valley School.
And I have eight books here that I've read about the school, and I've gone down there and visited it.
They have no curriculum.
They have no grades, no tests.
The students, their kids, learn what they want when they want.
And it's working beautifully.
And of course, the responsibility is on the kids to learn where it's where it should be instead of forcing them.
And if they feel like walking into town instead of being in the in the school, fine, there's no problem.
Well, I want to say thank you to you too real quick, Art, because I was in the Beans and Bullocks mentality a year and a half ago, and from that, got into community planning and got a task force put together on the island of Kauai along with the mayor.
And nothing happened, but we got our hurricane plan revamped and a whole island of people working together.
I think, though, that with linear amplifiers, they require for certain bands that you produce a ham license so that it doesn't get into the hands of a C beer like that really works, but they try it anyway.
I live in apartments, so I can't really do this experiment.
I was surfing the internet, and I came across this article called Experiment with Ground Antennas.
Now, instead of an aerial antenna, what they suggested to do was you take a copper, like a two-foot copper pipe, and put it and basically drive it into the ground, and then you take a wire from that copper pipe and attach it to your antenna on your radio.
And what they're saying, what happens is that over a course of days, it starts to saturate, it starts to bring in radio signals from, instead of it bouncing off, I'm not radio, I don't know that much about it, but instead of it bouncing off the atmosphere and whatever it does, it brings it in direct lines.
And as these days go by, you start to you get these signals that you never would have on your radio coming, these really small signals coming in and becoming larger and larger and larger.
Have you ever heard about anything like that where an antenna would be underground?
I've got, of course, I live out in the desert where the ground is not hot, but, you know, I put up like, I put 14, dug a 10-foot hole for this tower, a big, giant hole, and it was filled with 14 yards of concrete.
And there's an extensive grounding system below it, and it runs into the shack, and that thing is actually a pretty damn good antenna.
So there's something to what he says, and I don't know if anybody's done a lot of experimentation with it, but there really is.
And it's particularly a good antenna on long wave, like on AM frequencies.
It's remarkable.
And I went, what?
How can this be?
And yet it is.
So I have no answer for it, but he's sort of right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
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Hi, this is Matt in Dallas, listening on 570 KLIF.
Yeah, I had really kind of a statement, kind of a half-statement and question here.
Me and my cousin are working on setting up a business ourselves.
And my basic concept here is that the way to get rich in this country is to find something that other people are perfectly capable of doing themselves, but are basically too lazy to do.
I was looking at your website, and there's a lot of good information about your books and stuff, and I'm going to be hitting it with my credit card soon.
So pretty interesting stuff you're having on tonight.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
Hello.
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Hello?
Hello.
Hi.
The way you were talking about cold fusion, it sounds like you've done quite a bit of investigation into it.
If this is really a plausible possibility and it's just a matter of $100,000 or a few hundred thousand dollars that's preventing the necessary research to fine-tune it, is anybody working on maybe like trying to pull some investors together or organize something?
I was thinking even like there are so many listeners that Art Bell has, if somebody could even start a little company and get a few hundred thousand interested people to even just put in a few dollars apiece, you'd have the necessary funding and you could totally bypass the universities.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that if cold fusion was repeatedly demonstratable, there would not be an immediate, I mean, hundreds of thousands of dollars is nothing.
Nothing.
And somebody would be entrepreneur enough to come up with that kind of money, if not a lot more.
And so I have some doubts about that.
I just can't believe it's being suppressed the way it is successfully, if it really is viable.
Well, one way to answer it is I'll be glad to send you some copies of the Cold Fusion Journal, and you'll see the work that's been done, and you'll see the technical articles explaining the physics behind it.
I can tell you they're not teaching writing either from the letters that I get.
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No, and what else they're doing is they're letting students, there's this Montessori school or something like that, which lets students learn at their own freedom if they choose to work.
That's not appropriate.
Students, if they're given the choice to work or not work, most will say, well, to heck with it, if I don't have to, I won't.
But Wayne, I remember sitting in class in history class, for example, and it was so damn boring that you could, it was like watching grass grow and you were lucky not to fall asleep.
On the other hand, if you watch the history channel on television, it's captivating and you learn.
And Wayne Green, who I wish I could have gotten in a few minutes earlier, back in the olden days in the 70s, I read his magazine and Wayne's articles were always a little, I don't know, left field, and I still see them.
And so the attention needs to be centered on an analysis of uncontrolled multiplication and growth.
But before you can do that, you have to analyze the fundamental physical forces underlying normal morphology and growth in an organism, which means that if you can discover the actual controlling forces, then we're at a starting point here as far as understanding what's actually causing the cancer.
If there's a controlling force as far as the control of growth in an organism, then it has to be global.
In other words, it has to involve all cells.
And so if you can find some materials in cells that make up the structure of cells that are involved in this, then we should be in the right direction.
They're taking a sample of the cancer, the tissue, they're doing a genetic analysis of it, and then they're providing people with inoculations experimentally that attack those particular cells.
Those inoculation programs are underway in Southern California and elsewhere.
My son said he had talked to you some time ago on 75 meters one night, so I kind of got interested and decided to listen to your program, which I have for a few times.
And I wanted to say hello to your guest there tonight, if he's Wayne Green, if he's still on.
Well, unfortunately, that's happened to a lot of publications, and that's because ham radio, of course, is on the decline at the moment.
Now, the change the Federal Communications Commission just made may reinvigorate it.
And an awful lot of people have been stopped by the code requirements.
And let's be honest with ourselves for a moment, shall we?
Code is, I'm glad I learned it.
I'm glad I became proficient in it.
But I don't think that in the contemporary world, it is a requirement to be a good ham operator.
That's all there is to it.
As a matter of fact, I don't even like code.
CW.
It came to me very easily.
I was lucky.
It still remains with me.
I can do about 20 words a minute.
But I don't like it.
I'm a vocal communicator.
I enjoy talking.
And the state of the art with regard to the equipment used by hams now has outmoded CW, frankly.
There's a place for it.
I just wish it wasn't on the handbands.
Now, that's really going to draw some fire.
And I just think that it's time that we all sort of tighten up the belt a little bit, realize we live in a new world, and open the doors a little bit wider to become more inclusive.
And the step the Commission has taken, I think, is a good one toward doing that.
I don't want this hobby to die with those who are presently licensed, and you should not either.
Actually, there's never a good night to do that, really.
And I'm sort of kidding about the atom bomb thing.
On the other hand, there'd be a lot more respect in the world, and people would treat each other with great respect, knowing that each and every one of them had their own private atom bomb.
It's kind of the mad, what do they call it, mutual assured destruction, mad theory, right?
Taken from nation states right down to your local community.
I mean, are you going to go mess with somebody who's got an atom bomb?
Why wouldn't anybody support it if it would make less pollution in the air when everybody's, you know, screaming about saving the planet instead of cutting it out?
But it may not mean anything really good, you know.
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No, but I agree with you.
We do have weather troubles all over the world, and I feel sorry for some of these people that are getting the worst of it all, you know, with the flooding and the whole bit.
I'll tell you, a lot of things that you've been questioning will be answered in the tape, not necessarily from the paradigms point of view that I think that you subscribe to, but nonetheless, there will definitely be some answers there.
After a while, it's fun to sit there and go from your cab to South America, Europe, whatever.
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Oh, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
But on the you're talking about power restrictions and the tower police, I put towers up and take them down and stuff for hams in the North Texas area.
And I put up one for a guy in Plano, Texas, and his neighbors give him some problems.
And you know, to make a long story short, it was used in and out in the local ham community.
One thing I want to bring up is that down south of me in Tucson, I don't know if you saw the story, but the two major newspapers down there have banned individual gun owners from trying to sell their guns through the class fights.
Somehow you always seem to ask the things that I would ask if I had both the knowledge and the means.
So it's always a satisfying program to listen to.
Thanks.
The other thing, I just had an idea that has been with me for some time now on the contrail issue.
And since I understand your guest of tomorrow evening will be speaking on this matter, I've long believed, just myself, that contrails are in great part responsible for trying to inoculate a large part of the American public.
That if there was some kind of secret program going on, I mean, obviously something's going on with the contrails or chemtrails as they're popularly called now, that it would be an inoculation.
But my guest tomorrow night has an entirely different point of view, and I think you're going to find it very interesting.
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Well, you know, I wouldn't miss it for anything in the world.