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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring coast to coast a.m. from January 5th, 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours, stretching from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands in the west, commercially, to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands in the East, South America in the West, Poland in the North, and worldwide on the internet.
		And yes, we are back on streaming audio, and I think you're going to really like it.
		It is an improvement.
unidentified		There is no question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More than the great gods and witness and grand enough books.
unidentified		So the audio should sound a little bit better.
unidentified		Check it out if you wish with your computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just before I opened the microphone, I took a big bulk of coffee and it went down the wrong way.
		I was barely able to do the open.
		I'm sure you've had that happen.
		I don't know what going down the wrong way means.
		I don't think it goes into your lungs exactly, so I'm not even sure what going down the wrong way means, but you know what I mean.
		All right, in the second hour, we're going to have Wayne Green here, editor of 73 Magazine at the Ham Radio magazine, and we are going to discuss some changes in ham radio, which is not an exactly a gigantically wide appeal item, I understand, so we'll keep that part of it short and then move on to other things.
		But there are some pretty big headlines in the world of ham radio, and I've got a lot of questions for Wayne.
		All right, so what's going on?
unidentified		A lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Associated Press has named Rams' quarterback, Kurt Warner, as most valuable player in the whole NFL.
		Now, I wonder if they made that decision before the Eagles game.
		There's no way to know.
		But, I mean, you've got to give it to them.
		The Rams story, and certainly Kurt Warner's story, is amazing.
		Man, they have really, really, they picked up the NFL and just shook the hell out of it.
		I mean, just coaches and staffs gone left and right.
		You either win or you're dead meat.
		And there's a lot of dead meat in the NFL.
		I'll tell you, they really have been cleaning house.
		Holy moly.
		The little boy from Cuba has to go back to Cuba.
		The U.S. government has decided they are going to send him back.
		I guess what they did was an interview with the natural father and determined that it was the proper thing to do.
		And a lot of people are very unhappy about that.
		In Miami, there are big demonstrations.
		And I'll tell you what, the Cuban vote is going out the window.
		But the Democrats, I think that's what the net effect is.
		You know, I'm not so sure they're making the wrong decision.
		I sure don't want to see him go back to Cuba.
		But he is the natural father.
		Now, if there was something wrong or, you know, something drastically wrong with him, then I guess there would be a case not to send him back.
		But otherwise, he is the natural father.
		Tough and hard decision, but probably the right one.
		It's going to cost him a lot of votes, I'll tell you that.
		A lot of votes.
		In 1999, more people than ever before.
		We actually set a record for people buying new cars.
		Did you get yours?
		19, make that 16.9 million new passenger cars, pickups, minivans, SUVs, and so forth and so on.
		So, car companies are doing okay.
		As forecast last night on the show, Senator Kennedy has endorsed Gore.
		Usually Kennedy waits until he sees who wins, not this time.
		The Clintons, plural, for now, Hillary and the President have unpacked and spent their first night, maybe their only night, in their new $1.7 million home in New York.
		The President, of course, is going to have to go back to Washington while Hillary resides.
		She's going to run, of course.
		Somebody sent me a really funny little fax last night from one of my affiliates saying, hey, Art, have you heard about the new OSHA work rules?
		No smoking at home for people who work at home.
		They were going to make, they actually were going to make the same rules for people who have an office at home as for the workplace.
		And so they were going to just come right into your home and enforce whatever OSHA idiocy exists now.
		It's not all idiocy.
		I mean, some of it is safety regulation that's good, but in my estimation, OSHA has been known to go out a little far on the limb time to time, and I don't want him in my home.
		I don't know about you.
		The latest carnage in the NFL, by the way, Mike Ditka canned by the New Orleans Saints.
		Mike Ditka, the legend.
		The only thing I would have to say here is that I know it's the top guy who is always responsible.
		Bad season, the coach goes.
		But it seems to me there does seem to be a need for more accountability, you know, like on the field, the players, that kind of thing.
		It's not always the coach.
		Bitka is one tough mother, I'll tell you.
		And I just think sacking the coaches, just a preemptory sack when there's a bad season is not necessarily the right thing.
		Sometimes, I'm sure it is, but I think they're a little quick on the gun in canning the coaches when they have a bad season.
		All right, the weather.
		The two storms which I told you about that devastated France last week, you will be astounded to learn, destroyed upwards of 300 million trees.
		That's 300 million trees, and that's from the National Forestry Office in France.
		It is, according to the technical director there, quote, a catastrophe without precedent, end quote.
		Across the country, vast swaths of woodland have been smashed and or uprooted.
		From the orchards of Normandy, the great parks of Paris to the vast plantations in the northeast.
		300 million trees knocked down.
		I told you those were terrible, unprecedented storms that really the meteorologists don't understand.
		They don't understand it yet.
		Here's a kind of an interesting email.
		Comes from Gary in St. Louis, MVP Country.
		Hi, Art.
	On tonight's local news here in St. Louis, they showed a 10 to 15 second clip of a huge hailstorm which was south of the equator in either Peru or Colombia, South America.
	The hail looked to be, get this four to six inches deep, and firefighters there were having to hose down the hail in an attempt to melt it.
	It was commented here that they were in the middle of summer and that they ended up with ice on the ground.
	The ice looked more like snow, but it was very deep and covered everything.
	Everything.
	We're now, I'm getting reports of massive flooding in Brazil, similar to that which occurred in Venezuela.
	So far in Brazil, reports of 40,000 homeless.
	Can you any longer doubt, I don't think so, that the weather is changing.
	Oh, by the way.
	As you know, shameless plug time, but not so shameless really.
	As you know, Widley Streever and myself have a new book out called The Coming Global Superstorm, and it got a big review in the New York Post today, which was really nice.
	Really nice.
	By Liz Smith.
	You probably know Liz Smith because I think she's syndicated all over the country, but we pulled this out of the New York Post.
	You can read it up online if you want to.
	I'll read you a little bit of it anyway.
	1999, says Liz Smith, was the most violent year in the modern history of weather.
	But so was 1998, 1997, and so was 1996.
	Anybody who glances at a weather report from time to time can see something extraordinary is happening.
	So write Art Bell and Whitley Streeber in their new pocketbooks offering, The Coming Global Superstorm, which arrived to give me something new to fret over at the very moment.
	I was just sighing in relief over no Y2K or terrorist havoc.
	She goes on, forget Stephen King.
	Bell and Streeber have written the scariest poem ever.
	And they insist convincingly that it is not fiction.
	It's something that could happen and probably is happening.
	Well, it is in part fiction, of course.
	But yes, Liz is correct.
	It may well, sadly, not be science fiction and is, in fact, happening.
	Now, the weather is going bad, she goes on, because of a change in ocean currents, temperature and flow, and this will soon release meteorological energy from global warming.
	Now, she goes on and on and on.
	It's all very positive.
	I'm not going to read it all to you, but you're welcome to go up to my website and read for yourself.
	We've got a link to the New York Post that was in Did they have a date?
	I think it was yesterday's post.
	No, I don't see a date here.
	It's yesterday's post, I think.
	Maybe today's.
	Now, the environment is indeed high on the platforms of several candidates for U.S. president, but their view on the thing, on these issues of global warming, vary widely.
	The Democrats, Bill Bradley and Gore, agree climate change is a major concern.
	Gore allows that, quote, there is overwhelming scientific consensus that human activity is contributing to global warming, which can lead to serious public health consequences and extreme weather, end quote.
	Bradley says it's a very serious problem that we need to confront without any further delay.
	The Republicans are a bit more skeptical about global warming.
	George W. Bush, believing global warming exists, but says both the causes and impact of this slight, he says, warming are uncertain.
	Senator McCain from Arizona, who recently posted a narrow lead over Bush in the polls, acknowledges that a growing number of scientists believe that global climate change is a real phenomenon, But adds, the issue must be viewed as a scientific question, not a political question.
unidentified		Oh, I don't know about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Steve Forbes, I've interviewed Steve, the multi-millionaire businessman from New Jersey, dismisses entirely the global warming issue and says, quote, the catastrophic claims about global warming are deeply flawed, end quote.
		And that it gets even more radical as you get to Alan Keyes.
		Well, I'm very torn on the causes of global warming.
		I think there is entirely a possibility that man's hand is putting an extra bit of weight on the change that's occurring anyway.
		I believe that.
		So I think there's a little bit of both, but the fact of the matter is, too many politicians are in denial about it.
		And what it is, I mean, it's going to have either catastrophic Results for all of us.
		The world, I mean, not just the U.S. Or it's going to certainly leave a large print very shortly here in our lifetimes.
		It's doing that right now.
		It should be a pretty wild year, weather-wise.
		Anyway, listen, I wanted to promo the fact that I'm going to be in New York.
		You can find the coming global superstorm on the web at Amazon.com where they give you about a 30% discount.
		30% on the web.
unidentified		It's amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And or, I'm going to New York.
		Whitley Streeber and myself will be in New York City the week of the 10th, actually, Tuesday the 11th.
		You're not going to want to miss this.
		We'll be on the Today Show.
		You know, the Today Show on NBC?
		and then wednesday january twelve in person one time only will be signing books at barnes and noble this is the only book signing that is is ever going to occur for this book the only one so it will be in many ways very historic and the only opportunity
		to get signed additions of the book by whitley streber and myself now as it uh...
		twelve thirty in the afternoon about lunchtime for you maybe to be a barnes and noble rockefeller center the big one in rockefeller center and again i i reiterate it's going to be the only book signing we're going to do one at one time events and after that
		put it this way: the book that you have with both signatures is going to be a rare item indeed, because we'll never be together again publicly to do that.
		So there you have it.
		Don't miss it, or you've missed it.
		I would advise you to get there early.
		I'll see what a lot of other stuff.
		Headless humans, headless humans.
		I've got something on Headless Humans that's hard to believe.
		In a moment.
		Headless Humans Jonathan in Phoenix sent me a brief facts and something from the New York Times.
		And I know it seems impossible, but Jonathan says, some of the older Indians down in Baja, California, that's close to us, folks, claim that a headless race of humans live on an isolated island off the western coast of the aforementioned peninsula.
		Indeed, from the New York Times, ever since the Spaniards overran Mexico and California, Lower California has been a place of wonderment and mystery.
		Burana Island and Guadalupe Island and the Gulf of Lower California have had more strange tales woven into their human and animal inhabitants than any other part of the Pacific coast.
		It was in Lower California that the Spaniards asserted that they had, in fact, found men whose heads do grow beneath their shoulders.
		That heads beneath their shoulders.
		How could that possibly be?
		How could that possibly be, I ask?
		But yes, that's what they say here.
		Wondrous monsters, they go on of these six and eight-legged variety, and fish with trunks like unto elephants.
		So they're really serious about this.
		Headless humans.
		Not exactly headless, but heads that grow beneath the shoulders.
		it's uh...
		almost impossible to contemplate but that uh...
		folks wrote was from the uh...
		times will be right back if you stay where you are The same spot on your radio dot.
unidentified		You're listening to Ark Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
		No pool, no pets.
		Ain't got no cigarettes.
		I'll put two hours of pushing broom by eight or twelve orbits.
		Broom, I'm a man by no means.
		King of Rolls Third boxcar, midnight train Destination banger plane Woo, worn out suit and shoes I don't pay no union dues I smoke all stoggers I have found it
		I gotta ride a little teardrop Party You're listening to Art Bell, Summer in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, you've got to admit, they really do belt this out.
		I don't know why I'm so hooked on it.
		It happens to me and I've got to keep listening until I can unhook myself.
		No telling how long that's going to be.
		Anyway, listen.
		The event that did not occur, Y2K, is now beginning to have trickling events coming in in a lot of businesses.
		You know what I've noticed, and I'm sure some of the rest of you have, although obviously it was not a major event.
		Everything is non-Y2K related.
		All the failures that have been occurring, they quickly qualify by saying, but it's not Y2K related.
		Well, yes, the whole system is down, but it's not Y2K related.
		Apparently nothing is.
		would spoil the story of Y2K most of the experts at Jordan making comments, not apologizing for asking people to prepare.
		I said that an awful lot of it is yet to unfold.
		That may be.
		But certainly we made it through the scary part.
		I was scared of, you know, midnight, and that didn't happen.
unidentified		Yay.
unidentified		did not happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, well, all right, let's see.
		What else?
		I think I've got something else here.
		Actually, I do.
		This is not from me.
		It is from Mike.
		And that's all he doesn't give us his, well, he does give it his last name, but I'm not going to give it.
		He says, Kentucky's worst air disaster occurred today when a small two-seat Cessna 152 crashed into a cemetery early this afternoon in central Kentucky.
		Local search and rescue workers have recovered thus far 726 bodies, and officials expect the number to climb as the digging continues into the night.
		So, headless humans.
		Now, in the NFL, they have almost neckless humans.
		You know, when they get in the lineup at the beginning of a game, if you're a fan, they show the players, right?
		And some of them, I swear, it's like they don't have necks.
		It's like their head is directly connected to their body.
		And what little neck there is is as thick as the head itself.
		It's amazing.
		I don't know how they do that.
		They're gigantic.
		But what if the NFL could get headless humans?
		Think of it.
		No more headbutting?
		No more helmets.
		Just bodies.
		Coming at you, bodies.
		They wouldn't even make any nasty cracks on the field before they hit you.
		They just hit you.
		Headless human thing is real, anyway.
		All right, here we go.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
		Suppose we're being full-time.
		Are you on some kind of speakerphone?
unidentified		Hold on a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get off that thing.
		Hello.
		Yes, now you sound human.
unidentified		I sound human?
		Yeah.
		I went.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, almost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You gonna be all right there?
unidentified		Phone's a little bit helpful.
unidentified		I wasn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quit doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing?
unidentified		The phone.
unidentified		Did you hear about May 5th?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You need a phone!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean May 5th, 2001, the planets are going to align, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know about that.
unidentified		They think it's going to affect the gravity?
		Huh?
		They think it's going to affect the gravity here on Earth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do I think what?
unidentified		They think it's going to affect the gravity here on Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is it going to affect gravity here on Earth is the question.
		I'm bailing out of that one.
		I don't know what's going on with that guy's phone, but bad news.
		Do I think it will affect the gravity on Earth?
		No.
		I don't.
		There are people who think that the alignment of planets will produce some sort of resonance that will do something.
		but who knows i mean in the gravity no i wouldn't think that specifically There are some with a theory that the motion of planets about the sun produces a certain something or another, and when the planets all line up, there is this additional effect of motion.
		But no, the gravity of the various planets with distance is so little that there should not be an effect.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on there.
		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Happy new millennium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is a new millennium, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel different?
unidentified		I feel a little relieved.
unidentified		I wasn't buying into the whole Gary North gloom and doom end of the world scenario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it didn't end.
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It didn't end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, he never, to be fair, he never said it was the world scenario.
unidentified		Well, he was getting a little hot and heavy for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He indeed was.
		He said, what always worried me more than anything else was the hundreds of thousands of embedded chips.
		I never could figure out a way around that one.
unidentified		Yeah, this is a Zappa fan from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I had a few things I wanted to throw out.
		First of all, I just found out two weeks after the fact that you had my hero, George Conlin, on your show on my birthday.
		Of course I wasn't listening.
		I had George on for two hours, and you really...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was absolutely cool.
unidentified		I'm going to have to get that.
		I'm going to have to get that on tape.
		Now, I wanted to just throw two unofficial predictions out since I didn't get on on prediction night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right.
		They're unofficial.
		I can't recall.
unidentified		They're unofficial, and I can probably even I can already designate them as a bong and a ding.
unidentified		Number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		I think so.
unidentified		I think I can pretty much score them myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Number one, Gary North will now have to get a real job.
		Possibly something in the service or hospitality industries.
		Let him work for a living like the rest of us.
		Okay.
		Number two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're going to bong that one.
unidentified		I think I'm going to bong that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number two.
unidentified		Number two, not a single member of the Bush family will spend any time in a penitentiary this year.
		Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, unfortunately.
		And this leads me to my closing.
		Have you heard the news related to George W. and Larry Flint?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is not going to be a joke, is it?
unidentified		No, it's not.
		Two nights ago, on KOGO here in San Diego, on the Rick Roberts Show, Rick Roberts had Larry Flint on his show, and Larry claims to have spent a million dollars in an investigation on George W. And he said that he's not really concerned about people's private lives unless they're running for public office and their public statements conflict directly with their private behavior.
		Then he says he thinks they're fair game.
		He claims that after a million dollars spent on this investigation, he has damning evidence photographs of George W. in, let us Say, compromising positions, and that this is sexual in nature, and that he's going to release this somewhere around August during the Republican National Convention.
		And I'll close now with, again, maybe a prophetic word from the late Frank Zappa.
		Maybe it will actually someday in the near future be, Good night, Austin, Texas, wherever you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		Until you see the photographs, I don't know.
		And then the other question is, really, I mean, really, is somebody's private sexual life anybody's damn business?
		As long as they do their job, and I make this a general reference now to George Bush with those allegations unspecified, and, of course, President Clinton and many, many others.
		People aren't perfect.
		People are not perfect.
		And as long as they're doing the job that they've been elected to do, then I really do wonder if it is an issue.
		Even for an elected official.
		I really don't think so.
		I mean, if it affects the job they're doing, then it's one thing.
		If it doesn't, then I really think we've gone too far.
		I really think we've gone too far.
		I mean, think of yourself.
		What have you ever done, huh?
		What have you done behind the bleachers in the back seat of some kind of car?
		You know, hell, I did a lot of that.
		Drive in theaters?
		Huh?
		Remember drive-in theaters?
		So we've all done a lot of stuff.
		And so I don't know about that.
		Austin, Texas.
		On the international line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I just wanted to see how disappointed I was that nothing happened with Y2K.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, by the way?
unidentified		St. Thomas, Ontario.
unidentified		I'm in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ontario, Canada.
		And you are disappointed that there was not havoc at Y2K.
		Is that correct?
unidentified		Just a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much havoc did you want?
unidentified		Complete anarchy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Complete anarchy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you wanted a total collapse of civilization as we know it.
unidentified		Wouldn't that be kind of fun?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, it wouldn't.
		And why do you think it would be?
unidentified		I'm not sure I've always looked forward to what other People view as negative things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when a ship goes down or an airplane goes down, you get sort of excited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When a volcano erupts and wipes out entire villages, you begin to break out into a sweat and a smile comes to your face.
unidentified		It's somewhat entertaining.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somewhat entertaining.
		You're a real piece of work, you are.
		I don't know about you.
		Complete anarchy.
		Somewhat entertaining.
		Let's have death and destruction.
		And maybe you should order the George Carlin tape.
		That's actually what George said.
		Bigger disasters.
		It's what we need.
		Bigger disasters.
		Here's a kind of an interesting article.
		Associated Press in the Boulder, Colorado area, or from that area.
		Our researchers now think they might have the answer to what kills seemingly healthy, fit hikers when no cause of death otherwise is apparent.
		Guess what they think?
		They think the invisible killer might be powerful magnetic fields sparked by lightning.
		Lightning itself is a natural suspect, but it is ruled out when no burns or other obvious marks are left by the heart-stopping electrical jolts.
		And so there you have it.
		Hikers who have been found dead on the trail with no apparent cause are now thought to have been killed by the electromagnetic fields created by lightning.
		Now, isn't that something to think about?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art, this is John in Atlanta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		I think Larry Flint should run for president.
		What do you think?
		Might be an improvement.
		I don't know.
		Well, you know, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty disappointed in the field of choice right now.
unidentified		I think, well, maybe you should start an internet website, a news site, and call it the Flint report.
		And instead of digging up dirt, it could just go broke buying dirt, you know?
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, since we're on the subject, that what people did 15, 20 years ago or something sexually in their private lives is the business or should be of the general public?
unidentified		No.
		Not unless they, you know, sexually harassed my sister or something, you know.
		Or raped somebody I know, then personally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or committed a crime.
		How about that?
		I mean, if it's a crime, then that's something else.
unidentified		Well, yeah, that's something else.
unidentified		But their own sexual picadellas or whatever is not my business or anybody else's, in my opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of how I feel, too.
unidentified		I'm a libertarian.
unidentified		You know, this witch hunt type mentality is ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I really feel the same way.
unidentified		Well, I wanted to tell you, Hart, I got your book the other day, and I just started reading it.
unidentified		It seems like a real pace turner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, it is that.
		It's going wild.
		It's definitely going wild.
		It's a bestseller.
		Or about to be a bestseller.
		Anyway, thank you.
		I appreciate the review.
		And we got another good one in the New York Post.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Thanks, Hart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Yes.
		It really is getting good reviews everywhere.
		The coming global superstorm available at amazon.com for most of you.
		Bookstore is nationwide for most of you and for a few of you.
		Once again, I'm coming.
		We're going to be in New York for the one and only, and I mean one and only book signing for the coming global superstorm at which Art Bell and Whitley will both appear.
		It is Wednesday, January 12th at Barnes & Noble Rockefeller Center at 12:30 in the afternoon, which means you might be able to come by on your lunch hour.
		But again, there's likely to be a few people there, so my advice would be, would be to get there early if possible.
		You can arrange the time.
		I'm kind of looking forward to seeing New York City.
		It's been a long, long time for me.
		You know, I grew up to a large degree on the east coast and the northeast part of the country.
		And grew up, as you know, with WABC in New York.
		And it was my old stopping ground.
		And I understand they know New York has really changed.
		So I'm really looking forward to seeing it.
		That would be next week.
		Again, on the 12th, let me see you the 12th.
		Mark it on your calendar.
		January 12th.
		Wednesday, 12.30 in the afternoon.
		Barnes and Noble Rockefeller Center.
		Hope to see you there.
		East of the Rockies, you are on here.
		Hello.
		Hi, Jeremy.
unidentified		I just wanted to know if you had heard anything from Madman Mike Markham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
		Madman Markham, as I keep telling everybody who calls, disappeared a long time ago now.
		Gone.
		One way or the other.
unidentified		Well, I was going to predict that he would come back in the next year, but I couldn't get through to the phone line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, boy, it's been an awful long time.
		And he either turned to dust using his machine.
		He promised me that I could come and video record his use of the machine.
		And I never heard from him.
		He's either dust or he's at some other time.
		Because he was a good time machine.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, you think he would write you a letter or something from the future?
		Or you could send him a letter.
		Somehow connected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's see.
		Let me think about that.
		If you wrote me a letter from the future, I couldn't get it until that day arrived.
unidentified		But you could write him a letter and leave it somewhere for him to discover in the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he would get it, but it wouldn't work the other way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		Well, that's a puzzle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know where he is.
		You know, your guess is as good as mine, and I was worried about him because, you know, he was dealing with extremely high voltages.
		And he could have stepped into that and immediately fried or be dust on the floor, or there may be nothing at all but the machine.
		And Madman is gone.
		Listen, I gotta go too.
		All right?
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call and we'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
		Music He talked and talked, and I heard him say that she had the longest blocking hair, the prettiest green eyes anywhere.
		And Marie's remain of his latest frame.
		No one smiled, but tears inspired.
		I wished him luck and then he said goodbye.
		He was gone but still his words kept returning.
		Music What else was there for me to do?
		Would you believe that yesterday made a play to speak?
		The one smile, the tears inside the world burning Bye.
		I wish more still as we just do across.
		Would you believe that yesterday this girl was in my home just holding me?
		She'd be my true lady.
		And Marie's name probably explained.
		Yeah, Marie's name.
		Probably explain all Marie's name.
		All the way explained.
		Marie's a maid.
		I get the thought of the hint that she leads you to these days and I feel my life just like a red variety.
		The air of the country is a colour.
		Thank you.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in Tim.
		Tonight's program originally aired January 5th, 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming up in a moment is the amazing Wayne Green, 73 Magazine's Wayne Green, the man whose bust, whose portrait stands in the halls of the American Radio Relay League for all to see.
unidentified		music
		Just kidding.
		Just kidding.
		One morning comes and you're still a bus on the bus and the tourist look on.
		And you've thrown away your church and blocked your ticket.
		So you have to stay on.
		But the drum beats the strains of the night with me.
		And there we're nothing you'd want to say.
		You know, sometime you're about to leave her, but for now you've got to pay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, when you think about it, women have a great deal in common with cats.
		This song is called Year of the Cat by Al Sturden.
		Women really do have a lot in common with cats.
		They hardly ever come when you call them.
		And they usually always want to sit on your lap when you're not ready for it.
		They see things you never see.
unidentified		Some of them call you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they have to be fed and watered.
		And I'll stop there before I'm in too much trouble.
		Coming up in a moment is Wayne Green.
		Wayne sent me an unusual introduction, he says.
		It's more about you, all of you out there, than him.
		He is an old guy, 77, and has had a rather unusually exciting and adventurous life, mostly as a result of his interest in amateur radio.
		With his many publications, he has helped us have cellular telephones, personal computers, compact discs.
		So what can Wayne do for you?
		He wants to help you to have a better quality of life, be healthier, able to make as much money as you want, travel, have fun, and raise a family that you can be proud of.
		Wayne also wants you and your children interested in the adventure and excitement of amateur radio and what it can provide.
		It has gotten Wayne friends all over the world, good friends such as King Hussain, Barry Goldwater, got him the adventure of spending World War II in one of the top scoring submarines as an electronic technician, going on an expedition to a desert island in the Caribbean,
		operating ham radio stations from places like Nepal, the DMZ in Korea, the famed American Embassy in Tehran, making ham contacts through amateur radio satellites and moon bounce using the thousand-foot dish at Arecibo,
		Puerto Rico, a free round trip around the world while operating a station aboard a plane actually, and visiting amateurs in 26 countries helping to represent the U.S. at an international conference in Geneva, where they made some pretty important decisions about spectrum.
		For more details on Wayne's amazing life, you can go to his website at www.waynegreen.com.
		And of course, we have a link up there.
		You just go down to our guest section and look at Wayne Green, and you'll see his website.
		He has written an endless number of books and magazines.
		And here's what we're going to do.
		We're going to talk at the very beginning for just a little while about ham radio because there has just been a massive edict from the Federal Communications Commission and a couple of other items I want to cover about ham radio.
		But fear not, for those of you who are not interested in ham radio, sadly, the greatest portion of the listening audience, no doubt, we will not be on the ham topic for long.
		And Wayne is a very controversial person, ham radio side.
		And so we'll talk about some of those things with Wayne.
		All of that coming up directly.
unidentified		The End All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, we're going to talk a little bit about radio, specifically amateur radio and radio in general, I guess.
		My mother tells me and swears the first word out of my mouth was radio.
		And it's been that way ever since.
		That was the first word out of my mouth, radio.
		I didn't say radio.
		I said radio.
		Something like that.
		And from the time I could crawl, I began taking my mom's stuff apart and building things.
		Then I discovered ham radio and I really began to build things.
		And I was infected for life.
		Radio has been a deep, abiding love of mine all my life.
		Up to and including now.
		And so ham radio hooked me big time hard and still has me and always will.
		But I may be a dying breed.
		So may Wayne.
		Because the number of amateur radio operators, ham operators, nationwide, is falling like a lead balloon.
		Why is that happening?
		Well, we can speculate.
		The internet.
		People in school not being encouraged in the hobby any longer.
		I don't know.
		There's a lot of reasons.
		People not as technically inclined as they once were.
		The internet.
		The internet is what I suspect the most, to be honest with you.
		But I'm not sure.
		I don't know.
		will kick it around a little with wayne uh...
		anyway here from mom You're in New Hampshire, aren't you?
		Hi, yep.
		From New Hampshire is Wayne Green.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I'm from New Hampshire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, great to have you back.
		You don't sound like it.
		Why don't you sound like you're from New Hampshire?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Why, show up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, the FCC has made this gigantic, gigantic change in the rules for ham radio.
		Now.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Thank heavens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree with you.
		Thank heavens.
		And that's going to get us both in lots of trouble.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure that that makes any difference.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		It's only going to make a difference if you are a true fanatical believer in the American Radio Relay League.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way it used to be is there were various classes of ham radio licensed, and they've changed that over the years.
		Novices and technicians and generals and advanced class and extra and so forth and so on.
		Now, they had various code speed requirements.
		You know, Morse code.
		You had to learn the Morse code, and the lowest speed was five words per minute for a novice, you know, a beginner license.
		And then it would range up to 13 words a minute for general, and then up to 20 words a minute for the extra class license.
		And that's the way it's always been forever and ever.
		But now, no more.
		What's changed, Wayne?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, what they've done is said that as of April 15th, the maximum code speed that will be required is five words per minute for all classes.
		And that's something that people can learn.
		They can pass the five-word per minute test in about one hour of study.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You shouldn't learn code this way, if you're ever serious about code, but you can get to five words a minute by doing nothing more than memorizing each letter.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's sad in one way.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		It takes about 20 minutes, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suppose to get a reliable five minutes, you're going to have to spend a little time.
		But basically, Wayne's right.
		It virtually eliminates the code speed requirement for any serious class of license.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, that has been a major obstacle.
		Not that it's that difficult to learn the code, but it's the perception.
		And people have been afraid of it.
		And, oh, it's like learning the code.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who can learn the code?
		I can't learn the code.
		I hear it again and again and again.
		Now, to be fair, I learned the code when I was 12, Wayne.
		Things are easy to learn at 12.
		If you're trying to get a license at 40 or 50, learning the code isn't so easy.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Piffle.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I have a code course that anybody, I don't care if you're 82 years old or 92, you can learn the code to pass the test at 15 words a minute in one weekend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Wayne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Wayne.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to see that proven to me.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's very simple.
		But it's a different way of learning.
		Instead of setting up a lookup table in your mind, B equals da, did, did, did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And you hear da, da, da, da, and you say, hmm, let's see now.
		What is that?
		Oh, yes, that's a B. Well, that's switching back and forth between the left and right brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		So instead of that, what you do is when you hear a sound, you write it down without having to translate.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And you listen first to a series of codes, signals coming through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you start people at the speed they wish?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Do you think the speed they're going to learn?
		And when they hear a dip, they write down an E. Every time they hear a dip, they write down an E. And pretty soon it's automatic.
		Imagine if you're trying to play the piano and you have to find every key.
		Or on the typewriter, if you're a hunt-and-peck system, you can't go very fast.
		So you learn what the E is and write it down, and then you go to an A or a T and keep adding the letters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recognize your method is a far better method for attaining the higher speeds.
		But the fact of the matter is, the commission has said five words a minute, which means virtually anybody, anybody, can now pass the code test in short order indeed.
		And now the old-time hams and the guys at the ARRL are doing backflips.
		I mean, they're totally disgusted, and they're saying it's going to bring a class of C beers into the ham bands and all the rest of that, to which I reply...
		Well, not only are they already there, because that's human nature, but if we don't do something drastic, in less than a generation, ham radio isn't going to be anymore.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		It is certainly going down and down as far as newcomers are concerned.
		But then there has been virtually no promotion.
		So I give lectures at colleges on entrepreneurialism and starting small businesses and so forth.
		And I always ask the classes that I'm lecturing, I say, you know, how many of you here are familiar with amateur radio?
		And I'll have maybe 50 or 60 people there.
		And two hands will go up, and one will say, that's like CB, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or try asking a harder question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many of you hold licenses?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a dead room.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		No, back in 1960, the ARL did a survey, and they found that 80% of all new amateurs were teenagers.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And they found that 80% of those went on to high-tech careers as a result of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And of course, then the ARL got the FCC to propose a docket which scared everybody so badly that it folded almost all ham radio clubs in schools all over the country.
		It closed down thousands of them.
		And that was our source of youngsters with these radio clubs.
		When I first got interested in radio, I immediately went to the school radio club and they got me to get a ham license.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so did I. I went to the school radio club and participated there.
		I had a man, you know, a man who helped me out, actually a physicist, really a nice guy.
		Paul Weiss in Media, Pennsylvania, was a nuclear physicist, and he took me under his wing and taught me code and taught me theory and taught me physics.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I went to a high school with 10,000 students, and we had a heck of a radio club.
		That radio club is gone now.
		Here's a school with 10,000 students and no radio club.
		So that was feeding amateurs into the hobby, and that has stopped.
		And of course, the ARL, I feel, is responsible not only for doing that, but also for not giving any promotion, not making any protection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People should know the ARRL, as we call it, the Amateur Radio Relay League, is an organization that fancies itself the sole spokes group for ham radio generally.
		And they make decisions and make recommendations to the Federal Communications Commission that sometimes are followed and sometimes are not followed.
		But they have a really strong voice with the FCC.
		In this case, the FCC did not follow their recommendation.
		Nope.
		And I say, hooray, we're liable to get new hams now.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Well, they didn't follow my recommendations exactly either.
		They had six classes of license, and I said we only need one.
		You either need, you know, all you need is an amateur radio license, and from there on, do what you want and learn what you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they have reduced it to three classes.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Down to three.
		That's good.
		And they are, well, we have the technician, general, and extra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And those who hold licenses, like I have an advanced license, so I'll get to hold on to mine for a lifetime along with the privileges associated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess they assume, the commission assumes, that when the people with the licenses like mine die off, then they'll only have three.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess if you have a lot of things.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		They may eventually grandfather you into extra class anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, maybe they will.
		Sure.
		But the good news for the general public, the shortwave listeners, people who have contemplated maybe getting a ham license, the good news is, folks, you can go get it now without a problem, five words a minute.
		You can do that in your sleep.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Now, why should somebody get a ham license?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right?
		Well, now there's the other question.
		You heard me in the open.
		I've got the internet.
		You've got the internet, I'm sure.
		I can talk to you and I can see somebody on the other side of the world without any fading that is associated with shortwave communications or static or anything else.
		I can talk to somebody in Beijing or whatever over the internet.
		And I can even see their face if I want to.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		How about Burkina Faso?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Or Swaziland?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure about Swaziland.
		Yeah, there are still places, islands in the Pacific, for example, and disconnected places where only ham radio will reach.
		That's true.
		But still, there are not people clamoring to have a discussion with someone in Swaziland.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		So the internet, that's always been one of the fun things for me is to get out and talk to people anywhere in the world, and you don't know where you're going to talk to next.
		And for instance, I used to talk to Robbie over in Nairobi, IZ4ERR.
		And he said, you know, why don't you come over here and go on a safari?
		And I read a book by George Christian Herder on how to go on an African safari for a safari for $690.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Right.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		So I wrote about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not about to tell me you actually did that.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I wrote about it in the magazine and I said, who wants to go?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And I got two other amateurs and we went over there and went on $690 safaris.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really did that?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		We really did it and we had a ball.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		One of these days I'm going to publish a book on that with all of the pictures and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Today's cost, if you wanted to go on a safari like that today at today's inflated prices, what do you think it would be?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I'll bet you could do it for $2,500.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Swaziland for $2,500.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		No, Nairobi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nairobi.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Or pardon me, Kenya.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kenya.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And we went over and had a wonderful time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, going to Kenya will give you a big education even today.
		Oh, yeah.
		Believe me.
		I've been an advocate, Wayne, that for a long time now I've thought the U.S. government should purchase every citizen at some time in their early life a ticket to a third world country of their choice round trip.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's coming up, Art.
		My prediction for 2020 is that by that time, our students are all going to be having their classroom in something like a laptop computer.
		And you've probably read about the new discs that have been developed where they can have 13 hours of video on a one-inch disc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I have read about it.
		Hold on, Wayne.
		We'll break at the bottom of the hour and we'll be right back.
		Wayne Green is here.
		73 Magazines, that's a magazine about ham radio and more that Wayne publishes.
		73 Magazines.
		Wayne Green is really an interesting character.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks tonight.
		An encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
		Ooh, see that girl, watch that scene, digging the dancing queen.
		Friday night and the lights are low, looking out for a place to go.
		When I play the rock music, getting in between, you come to live with the same.
		Anybody could be that guy, night is young and the music is high.
		With a bit of rock music, everything's fine, you're in the mood for the day.
		And when you shake the chair, you are the dancing queen.
		You're the dancing queen.
		The End of the Night.
		Hey, hey, hey, oh.
		Oh, oh.
		Oh, oh.
		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks tonight.
		An encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you're a parent, then listen to me for a moment, because this is the truth.
		Wayne Green is here, and we're talking about ham radio.
		And I have more than I could possibly ever begin to tell you to thank ham radio for in my lifetime.
		My career, almost every job I get or have been able to get during my life, and I've never had a period of unemployment that I didn't desire ever, was largely thanks to ham radio, sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly.
		But the technical knowledge that it gave me propelled me all my life, in my career.
		So it's a non-trivial pursuit.
		And if you want your child to get into something that's really interesting, that can help them all through their entire life, then you will now, because of the change in the FCC, direct them toward the possibility of considering ham radio.
		And the best way to do that is to get them a shortwave radio that will get them started.
		You know, just pick a little shortwave radio and let them listen to what's going on around the world.
		And believe me, a lot of eyes out there will light up.
		And from the moment they light up, you've got yourself a child on the way to a good life.
		So it's kind of that serious.
		At any rate, Wayne will be back.
		We've got more news to talk about in a moment.
unidentified		We've got more news to talk about in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my wife would verify the following for you if she were here to verify it.
		She need not come in to verify it.
		Well, you can if you want, hon. When we bought the land upon which now my house sits, we both came out and we camped out on the land dreaming about the house, you know, the home and how we would do it and what we were going to do and all the rest of it.
		But the first thing I did was to pace off the property in both directions, actually in every single direction, and I put a big X on the ground and I said, there is where the tower is going to go.
		And then here is where the house is going to go.
		So I measured in every direction to ensure myself I could get the antenna directly into the center of the property.
		And then the house was secondary, in my mind, anyway, to that.
		So the first spot marked was for my tower.
		That was the prime consideration.
		Call me consumed and crazy if you wish, but that's the way it is with a radio-infected person like me.
		There is the tower, the X on the...
		Now, Wayne, the reason I bring that up is because I now have about, I don't know, 3,000 or 4,000 pounds of steel up above me, 100 feet in the air.
		I've got a 100-foot tower up, the dream that you have when you're young.
		Well, now I have it.
		I have a 100-foot tower up, and I think real hard about it, windstorms.
		Wayne, around the country, I, of course, live in a very rural area where you can pretty much do what you want.
		It's still almost like free America out here.
		But I am hearing increasingly around the country now, in towns like San Jose and others, that they are passing local ordinances, and they virtually have what are being called the antenna police.
		That's right, the antenna police.
		And they're sending them around to hams who have antennas or towers or whatever they've got and telling them they must lower their antennas.
		And if they don't, they're in violation of some sort of ordinance or something.
		Now, hams are governed by the Federal Communications Commission, federal, not state, not local.
		And, of course, FAA regulations.
		You don't want airplanes bumping into your antenna and that kind of stuff.
		But aside from that, what business is it of any local community to tell you how high your antenna can or cannot be?
		Unless, wait a minute, let me specify, unless you have signed some sort of covenant and restriction deal that says you can't have that?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, the FCC has a rule which permits that sort of thing.
		It permits you to put up towers and antennas.
		Right.
		But if you don't have the money to defend that and go into court and hire a lawyer and so forth, you're a prisoner of the politicians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're screwed.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, so that means they can do what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They can fine you?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		They can fine you for every day that it's up there.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		So this has been going on, not just recently, but going on for years and years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but now it's spreading like the Melissa virus.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the reasons that it's spreading is that there has been no good test case to fight it.
		And one of the things that I wanted to do many years ago, and I formed a group to do this called the Institute of Amateur Radio, and we put aside a fund to help any amateur with a legal battle that would affect all of amateur radio.
		And the ARL did everything they could to put the Institute of Amateur Radio out of business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		I mean, now.
		That's a very serious allegation.
		This is an organization that supposedly speaks on behalf of hams to the government, to the FCC.
		So why would they do things to hurt ham radio?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		They considered it to be in competition.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And they were like any other organization.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With what?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		With the ARL.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Even though they were not funding any amateurs in their legal battles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, I talked to a couple of hams recently who said, my town is making me take down my antenna or lower my antenna or whatever.
		And they went to the ARRL, who you pay dues to, and they say they will help you out in legal battles.
		And the ARRL told them to get lost.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Well, the best that you can get is some copies of past legal rulings on that from the ARL.
		It seemed to me that these were battles that were worth fighting, and so I started the Institute of Amber Radio for that purpose, but the ARL figured that that was competition for them.
		Now, you know, if somebody starts another medical association, the AMA is going to spend whatever it takes to put them out of business, as they did with homeopathy, and as they almost did with midwives, and as they almost did with chiropractors, and so forth.
		And that's the way it works.
		Any large organization will do whatever it takes to protect itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, if you're just some lone poor fellow with an antenna and the antenna police come by and tell you you've got to take it down, you have to do it.
		Or either that or go spend an unrecognizable amount of money getting lawyers to try and fight it.
		Maybe.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, you're up against unlimited funds on the other end to fight you.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, it's difficult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then how can local governments do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how can they get away with passing local regulation or law that is not consistent with federal regulation and law?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Can you explain that?
		There is no federal regulation or law.
		All there is is a recommendation from the FCC about it.
		There's no law on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There isn't?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's no law that says you as a licensed ham have a right to put up an antenna?
		Nope.
		Well, then how the hell do they expect you to talk to anybody?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have what's called PRB 1, which is a recommendation that amateurs be permitted to put up towers and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A recommendation.
		Right.
		All right.
		Well, all I know is, to me, it's a sign of a degradation of our entire social structure that...
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
		Look at all of the things that are happening.
		You're keeping up with all of the stuff that the government is doing to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On behalf of those who are fighting this battle.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		It just is hitting you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not hitting me because I intentionally moved to a place where they don't do that kind of crap.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I'm on a 200-acre farm up here in New Hampshire, and I can do anything I want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
		Boy, I bet you have a lot of antennas, huh?
		200 acres, that's a huge.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I may have a better one.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		The South people want to put a 200-foot tower in back of my house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're kidding.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And I said, well, okay, as long as I can put my beams on it.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And they said, no problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a deal.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A 200-foot tower.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, am I jealous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I suppose, who climbs it?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't have any trouble climbing a 200-foot tower.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're 77, Wayne, aren't you?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You out your mind.
		I once climbed a 300-foot tower, Wayne, and I went out on a horizontal beam to a station master antenna at the 300-foot level on a 3,000-foot mountain.
		And I will never, ever, ever, ever do that again.
		Ever.
		And you would do that at 77 years old, huh?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I've had 100-foot towers, many of them, and I have no problem going up there and working on the top of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		I push a button and mine comes down to me.
		My climbing days are over.
		I took a big fall, and so I can't climb anyway.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, that'll do it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The idea.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		But I do wear a belt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's something.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's something.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That way you can have both hands free to work on things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		One other ham radio thing that I want to get done, and then we'll leave that and go on to other things.
		There is a new sheriff in town.
		You know about him?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't know about him?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Hollingsworth is his name.
		Yeah, oh, sure.
		Now you know what I mean by a new sheriff?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		He's clamping down on things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, now, the ham radio bands, to some degree in some areas, I don't want to say they approximate CB because it has not gone that far.
		But on the other hand, it's almost that far in some specific places.
		I won't mention them.
		Every ham knows.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Certain frequencies and so forth that are like a certain Los Angeles town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like a certain Los Angeles town.
		And anyway, it doesn't matter.
		Certain frequencies where abominations occur.
		Right.
		So that Mr. Hollingsworth, thank God, has come along and finally begun enforcing the rules again and beginning to clear Dodge out of the undesirable element by removing licenses, issuing fines, and in worst cases, putting people in the clinker.
		Now, what do you think about that?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's great.
		We've been wanting that for a long time, and the FCC has kind of left us alone, and it has not helped things.
		Unfortunately, the FCC does not give a sanity test.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's obvious.
		That's obvious.
		And so that is, it really is getting stricter.
		And that doesn't mean That you cannot have any kind of conversation you want.
		It means that people who go on there and use horrendous language and interfere intentionally with other people and so forth are getting caught, fined, and worse, right?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Yep, and if you keep doing it, they'll come in and take your equipment away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's about damn time.
		That's what I have to say about that.
		So any final, you know, we'll take some calls after we get into some other topics, and I'm sure there'll be questions about ham radio.
		But the big news, folks, is those of you out there who have said, I just can't do it.
		And to be honest, Wayne, there are people, there really are people who cannot learn the Morse code at 13 words a minute.
		They just, their brains will not do it.
		And I know you'll probably argue with that.
		I'm not one of them.
		I learned it.
		To me, it was like music, and it still is.
		I'll never forget it.
		It's so simple.
		It was so easy.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I learned the code one evening when I was getting dressed to go to a Boy Scout meeting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Show off.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And I've known it ever since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But Wayne, there are people.
		I mean, they absolutely tell me it's impossible.
		I have tried.
		I have spent hours and days and weeks, and I cannot learn the code.
		And maybe it's true that their brains simply will not adjust as they need to adjust to be able to learn the code.
		There are people like that, aren't there?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, possibly.
		But I think that what they're doing is the old-fashioned way of learning the code and doing it slowly and then gradually speeding up.
		And then unfortunately, when you get to about 10 words a minute, you get to the speed of the brain.
		And you can't go any faster than that, where you're listening on one side and sending the information over to the other side of the brain to decipher it and then sending it back to write.
		So you have to eliminate that by teaching one side of the brain to listen and write without translating.
		And then pretty soon you learn to hear words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but it's a moot point.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And so forth.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		But that's irrelevant now because we're getting rid of all of that nonsense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to all the old-timers who are saying, it's the end of ham radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the end.
unidentified		A terrible class of people will be coming on and it won't be fun anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The old boys club just isn't going to be the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you say to them?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I say that they've been crying that ever since the novice license was introduced.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And then when the technician license was introduced, they cried the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And it has never turned out to be that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our nation must have a technical base of people that have been intrigued with passion to learn about electronics and radio and television and computers and all the rest of it.
		And that's what ham radio does.
		And if we don't keep it alive, eventually our country is going to suffer from it big time.
		So I'm glad they've done this, Wayne.
		And to all of the skeptics.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		It is very important for kids.
		We've got to get them to know about this so that we will have the engineers and technicians that we need in the future.
		Golly, I was just looking at the sale of cars, and the best-selling car in the United States is a Toyota Camry.
		And the next best-selling is the Honda.
		And the third is a Ford.
		And the fourth is a Honda.
		And the fifth is a Ford.
		Well, now, why don't we have the engineers and technicians to put us out in front so that a Ford or a GM is the best-selling car in the United States?
		Because over in Japan, they have had a no-code license for years.
		You know, for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear that, folks?
		No-code.
		Yes, you're required to take a technical test, but no code.
		That's it.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And every school in Japan has a ham radio club.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And they have more licensed hams than we have.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		A fraction of our population.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The way the Sunspot cycle has been lately, you go on the air on 10 meters, and of course it's open to the world, but what you hear are 10 gazillion Japanese all on there because, as you just pointed out, all the schools have clubs.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And when I go into laboratories over in Japan and visit them, everybody comes over and says, OW-2NSD.
		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're all hands.
		I know.
		All right.
		Stay right there, Wayne.
		When we get back, we're going to update you on cold fusion.
		What's going on with cold fusion?
		Anything at all?
		We'll find out.
		Wayne Green's here.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 5, 2000.
		We live in the fields I know for you.
		We'll treat the ground of the leaves.
		When the ocean looked at that bird in you, I dreaded ribbon clear.
		When I was cold, the breathless moon, in the blue veil of the night.
		Mama, baby.
		There'll be days like this, there'll be days like this.
		There'll be days like this.
		There'll be days like this, my mama said.
		I went walking the other day and everything was going fine.
		I met a little boy named Billy Jones and then almost caught my mind.
		Mama said there'll be days like this, there'll be days like this, my mama said.
		Mama said there'll be days like this, there'll be days like this, my mama said.
		My eyes are wide open, but all that I can see in you, the devil's love is gone.
		Whatever it is, what I'm out of me, but I don't worry for mama.
		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mama did, but she never told me the whole story.
		So we're going to talk about how do you put up a really cool antenna when you live in an apartment building where they don't allow you to do such things.
		And I have one answer.
		We'll see what Wayne has to say in a moment.
unidentified		We'll see what Wayne has to say in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's see if I understand this correctly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You live in an apartment, sir?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		Okay.
		Well, it's a house, actually.
		It has a small backyard, but my landlord wouldn't let me put up a large antenna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, here's what I did, and this applies to apartments.
		First of all, never ask the manager because they always say no.
		Secondly, take a very, very small coax, and you can get little tiny coax if you want to, and then go to Radio Shock if you want, and you can buy this transformer winding wire that is so thin that on a clear day you can't even see it.
		And this is what I've done in the past.
		And then you wait until the appropriate moment when the manager is not looking, make your way to the roof, sneak your coats up there, and put your antenna just above the roof, and nobody will ever, ever see it.
		Well, they'll hear you on the TV maybe, but they'll never see your antenna and they'll never know.
unidentified		Is that unshielded wire?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has a kind of a coating that you can scrape off if you want, but it's very fine.
		I would say it's as fine as almost as thread.
		And that's what I've done, and it works.
		Wayne?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've used a similar thing when I was in college.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		They didn't want me to put up any antennas, so I strung a piece of about number 30 wire across a quadrangle and worked out just beautifully on the 160 meters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then if you have a house, there's another thing you can do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're patriotic, aren't you?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Put up a big flagpole.
unidentified		There's an idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A resonant flagpole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then fly the American flag, and who's going to say squat to you?
unidentified		Oh, that's great.
unidentified		And may I ask a question about video to Wayne?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		You had mentioned earlier about hard disk recording and video.
		And I do a lot of producing in different DV formats.
		I know with MPEG-2 now, Sony has just introduced a 650 megabyte MPEG-2 recorder.
		Are they going to be coming out with anything soon that would record directly to DVD or something of a larger capacity format, do you know of?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		You can bet on it, of course.
		These things are developing very rapidly.
		And as I mentioned earlier, and Art is familiar with this, they've now developed a system of making discs about one inch in diameter, about the size of a nickel.
unidentified		Well, how much does that hold?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		About 13 hours of television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		That's more like a hard disc then, isn't it?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, just think of the applications.
		Now, the thing that I see coming is making every course that's available in school, K through 12 and on up high school and even college and so forth, available with performers, professional performers doing the teaching and with any kind of video help that you want, just as they did in Toy Story and so forth.
		You can have any kind of graphics.
		And you're going to be able to teach things and make it almost perfectly interactive for the student.
		And they're going to be able to learn these anywhere they are.
		Art mentioned something earlier about having kids travel around the world.
		I think we're going to do this in a few years.
		We're going to have student groups going to different cities all over the world and taking their classrooms with them with a little type of like a laptop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a difference it would make.
unidentified		That's great.
		I have one last question, if I may, please.
		Concerning repeaters, are they powered?
		Or, for instance, if there was a massive power outage, would your two-meter go out or would you find they would be self-powered?
		How do they get it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is that some are powered by solar power.
		Right.
		Others rely on commercial power and they go down when commercial power goes down.
		Others have generators.
		So take your choice.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they have backup generators in some cases and so forth.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		But there are quite a few and a growing number of solar-powered ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Solar power is becoming more reasonable, but it still is not nearly, as I can tell, you know, economically it doesn't compete with the low cost of commercial power.
		Not yet.
		That's right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Mr. Green.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I'm currently 13 years old.
unidentified		When would you suggest that I start learning Morse code if I want to learn it?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would suggest that you get your amateur license just as quick as you can.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		It will change your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got mine when I was your age.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And where would I get books on learning on that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I already told you.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		You can start at Radio Shack.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And if you get the ham magazines, and you can find those, if you write to me at Wayne Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, I'll get your information on my magazine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I should add that Wayne has a list of how many books now that you're crazy if you don't read?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, about 100 books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About 100 books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		It's not just a list, Art.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		It's a review of the books explaining what the benefits are to reading these books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, it goes far more than just a list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I know you've got that list, and then you've got something else, and what is that?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have three books that are doing very well.
		There's The Secret Guide to Wealth, which explains how you can get out of the rat race and make all the money you want.
		And it's a very practical thing, except that we're not taught that in school.
		And it just is a big surprise to people that you don't have to be average.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you have been a millionaire Over and over again and been busted over and over again.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've written a book on wealth, apparently knowing both sides.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, how to make it and how to lose it.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't go into how to lose it because why not?
		That's very simple.
		Just trust people that you shouldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And I've had no problem with that, and I've supported an awful lot of companies that started up that weren't run well and so forth.
		But anytime I put my mind to it, there's just no problem in making lots of money.
		And I explain in the book how you do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is an encapsulated version of that?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's very simple.
		There are three basic ways that you can never make much money.
		Number one is to work for a large corporation.
		Number two is to work for the government.
		Number three is to teach.
		And you're never going to make much money at those.
		The way you make money is to have your own company.
		But there's a whole bunch of things you need to know to do that successfully.
		90% of new businesses fold within five years.
		And what I say is, look, figure some field that is so much fun that it doesn't seem like work.
		Just like I'm publishing a ham magazine.
		Now, what could be better?
		All right, if you weren't on the air, what would be better than publishing your own ham magazine?
		It's nirvana.
		Anywhere you go in the world is a business expense, and so forth.
		So anyway, figure some field that you really enjoy.
		Find a small company that's providing a product in that field, in your area, and you walk into the company and you say, look, to the owner, you say, look, there's a whole bunch of things you need to have done around here, and you've got nobody to do them.
		I will do them.
		And you have a job right then and there.
		You don't need any resume.
		You don't need any college.
		You don't need any experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but you better know what you're talking about.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		You will have a job and you will learn.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		If you use that job as an opportunity to learn, unfortunately, 99.9% of the people try to get by with doing the minimum that they can in their job and they don't make an effort to learn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		they live for the weekend nine five they do as you point out as little as When I was young, one of my first jobs was for International Telephone and Telegraph, IT ⁇ T, in New Jersey, Nutley.
		Yep.
		New Jersey.
		And they had cost-plus contracts there.
		We were making microwave communications vans for the government.
		And I was testing microwave for SWR.
		And I was a member of IBEW.
		I had to be.
		And I was working too fast, and I got in trouble.
		I got in trouble for working too fast.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		So did I. I worked for GE for a little while back at the beginning of World War II.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And we were building transmitters for the Army.
		And I was on the test line.
		And these other fellows were turning out four or five transmitters a day.
		And I got busy with it, and I was turning out 20, and they were ready to kill me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		When there's cost-plus money available, and you're doing it too fast, you make big enemies real fast.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		But if you take advantage of any job that you have, get magazines and books on the subject, and use it as an opportunity to learn.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And if you go into a small company, you'll be able to learn the bookkeeping, the accounting, the purchasing, advertising, promotion, and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I was testing this waveguide for VSWR, and I was so far ahead of the rest of the line that people took me aside and said, are you out of your mind?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it began that way.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to stop this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to ruin the whole operation.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It costs everybody a lot of money.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were sabotaging my work at GE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a way large companies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, large companies.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, that's the basics of having your own company.
		Then you have to figure what product is needed.
		And I highly recommend that you do not start a mom-and-pop grocery store.
		That you find some product that you can manufacture or have manufactured.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That people want and need.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That in a narrow field so that it's easy to advertise and promote.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		If you're doing something that everybody wants, you're up against all of the big companies as far as advertising is concerned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I started to do this, and I want to finish.
		You send out a list of books.
		I know you've got that, and then you've got something else.
		What is it you're willing to send people?
		I think one of them is free, and one of them will cost you a buck or two or five or something.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have a catalog that lists everything and gives the basics of what I'm teaching.
		And I've made most of my books are $5.
		I should charge $500 for them.
		But I have the Secret Guide to Health.
		And I have found the secret.
		And you've heard it too.
		For instance, Dr. Lorraine Day cured her cancer.
		And anybody who follows her routine will be able to cure their cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that's true.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm pretty sure, because I've got that from a number of different sources.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Biler, Dr. Comby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's true in some cases.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And this will also, I'm quite convinced, cure AIDS also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that also is true in some cases.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Because this is what Dr. Combe has found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know AIDS at one time was an absolute death sentence, and it is not regarded that way anymore.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Well, when I first found out ways that you could cure AIDS, the AIDS people were furious.
		Oh, they were very upset with me.
		But I have a growing number of letters here from people.
		I had a call just a couple of days ago from a fellow who had emphysema.
		And in a few weeks, instead of not being able to walk up two or three stairs, he's running up and down stairs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		By getting his immune system back in strength so that it rebuilds his body.
unidentified		How?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, simple.
		Number one, stop putting poisons in your body.
		Number two, give your body the nutrition that it was designed to handle over a million years.
		And give it plenty of pure water, sunlight, water is good, without glasses on, and exercise, risk walking, and no sugar, which is a deadly addictive poison, and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No smoking.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course not.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		You said something about you were going to stop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I've made some attempts lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to talk about it because I'm failing.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I know.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		It is a terrible addiction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And the more that you can discourage youngsters from that, the better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree, of course.
		But I also, I think some of the rabbit anti-smoking stuff goes over the line.
		Anyway.
		Of course.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
unidentified		Hello, this is Chris up in Fairbanks, Glasgow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fairbanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it getting cold up there?
unidentified		Well, it's the one they called on the prediction night, number 71, the new power source.
		Odd that you have Wayne Green on talking about cold fusion.
		But yeah, it's about 25 below, so it's actually warmed up by 25 degrees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is warming.
unidentified		Global warming, it's kicking in.
		Finally.
		I have a couple of questions.
		One is, we're starting an experimenters group up here.
		We're getting all the tests and patents.
		We've got a CD coming in.
		And we have a couple of his books, and we're going to start building those.
		But my first question is, where can we get reliable information on cold fusion?
		I mean, stuff where we can build like these wall kits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a really good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wayne, where does he, can he get from you reliable information on cold fusion?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I publish a cold fusion journal.
unidentified		How much is that for you?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		In the back issues, we have packages.
		It's in my catalog.
		It tells about the different packages of back issues.
		And they show complete diagrams and specifications for cells that have been patented and so forth.
unidentified		Okay, one of the other things is, I remember at one time you were talking about how to start a newsletter?
		Oh, yeah.
		What we want to do is with this experimenters group, we're going to build these experiments and test them, and we want to put together a newsletter and sell it.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, my recommendation on that is to buy a used, and it doesn't hardly make any difference how old it is, a used Macintosh and get PageMaker, and you're in business.
unidentified		Okay.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And a used laser printer.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		My golly, I've got a laser printer here that's 10 years old, and it's still going.
unidentified		Yeah, those things are beast.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I think you can buy these for $200 or $300 used.
unidentified		And what was the third book?
unidentified		You had the Secret Guide to Wisdom?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I have The Secret Guide to Health.
unidentified		Yep.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		The Secret Guide to Wealth.
unidentified		Yep.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And The Secret Guide to Wisdom.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And those are each $5?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And also there is a free, I think there's a free list that you can get, or at least there was.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a free list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but not everybody has a pewter yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how do they get the free list, Wayne?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, send a self-addressed stamp envelope to Wayne Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, 03449.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wayne Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, 03 what?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		449.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		449.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		mark down from zero three fifty and then they'll fit And you'll send them a free list of everything they can order.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		If you just remember Wayne, it'll get to me.
		Or Green, or the Science Man.
		That doesn't make much difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any of that stuff will get to you.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		All right.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I've gotten tens of thousands of letters from your listeners, and I do want to take an opportunity to thank them so much for writing, and I particularly enjoy it when they tell me about themselves and not just send me just a plain old stamped envelope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they should send a self-addressed stamped envelope, right?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's very helpful.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		But I do love to hear from people, and I try as best I can to answer as many letters as I can, but when they come in by the tens of thousands, that's difficult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It gets hard, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But nevertheless, you like to hear a little bit about them?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I'm sure that can be arranged.
		Wayne Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, 03449.
		Or Wayne, or just Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, Science Guy, 03449.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Green Wayne.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Pop.
unidentified		I'm listening on WKRC 55 in Cincinnati.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		First off, as a vet, I'd like to thank both of you guys for your service to the country, both during the military and since you've gotten out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
unidentified		Anyway, I've got a couple of questions.
		As a ham radio operator myself, I was wondering, I've got an old-style tech license.
		I've had it for about a quarter of a century and never bothered to upgrade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lucky, lucky, lucky, because if you have the license prior, what, an 87 or something like that, then you can automatically be upgraded to a general without doing a dog-on thing except going to visit a VE.
unidentified		That was my question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's your answer.
unidentified		Excellent.
		Also, you might want to tell Keith that forget the Mac and forget Windows.
		He needs to go to Unix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keith has this thing about Mac users, and he wants email on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He thinks they're lower than human, and I don't know.
unidentified		Yeah, Wayne, I started reading your 73 magazine, and then when Kilobyte came out, I got into that.
		I was always interested in the computer stuff.
		I wrote my first computer program back in 67.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my word.
unidentified		Fortran.
unidentified		But anyway, that was a long time back.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we remember Fortran, COBOL, RPG2, and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good thing somebody remembers it, or we'd all be in the cave ages right now.
		All right, listen, we've got a break Here at the bottom of the hour, we'll be right back.
		Wayne Green is my guest, and we'll do another segment directly ahead.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks tonight.
		An oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
		The music.
		Trying to move home.
		I'm walking in with them.
		Ringing my phone.
		Thinking about my baby.
		Trying to get home.
		Walking in with them.
		Moving it down.
		I'm into the movie.
		Trying to move on.
		It's been so long since I've been hurting.
		I'm hiding hope all along.
		I've tried so high.
		Love it again.
		I'm up on the table.
		Lumbling in.
		I'll look at the blame.
		Love it in.
		Now and then, by life, for catching, numbling in wherever you go, whatever you do.
		You don't need reckless laws of mine following you.
		I'm falling for you.
		Whatever you do.
		But baby, don't miss so many things that I never knew.
		Whatever it is, baby, I'll do it for you.
		Our love is alive.
		So it begins.
		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast Day from January 5th, 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like that record.
unidentified		Our love is alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our love is alive, and so it begins.
		Something nice about that line, isn't it?
		All right, Wayne Green is here, and he'll be here for another segment coming up in a moment.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back now to Wayne Green in New Hampshire, where it's coming up on 5 o'clock, I guess, in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wayne, I know you have had a lot to say about education in America and the current state of education in America, and what you think ought to be done.
unidentified		What should be done?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have a school system.
		I almost used the wrong word there.
		We have a school system which is about one of the worst in the world as far as the scores go when they have competitive tests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people say the whole thing ought to be torn down and start again.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have a lot of misinformation, disinformation.
		You know, they say, well, if we had more money, we'd have better teaching.
		Well, they've tried that, and there's never been any sign that putting more money into it does more than give more administrators.
		And it has not increased the scores.
		The school that I see in the future will be one that is running 50 weeks of the year, and the students will be able to go when they want and take whatever course they want or study by themselves.
		Now, we have a school very similar to that down here in Framingham, Massachusetts, known as the Sudbury Valley School.
		And I have eight books here that I've read about the school, and I've gone down there and visited it.
		They have no curriculum.
		They have no grades, no tests.
		The students, their kids, learn what they want when they want.
		And it's working beautifully.
		And of course, the responsibility is on the kids to learn where it's where it should be instead of forcing them.
		And if they feel like walking into town instead of being in the in the school, fine, there's no problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that works.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And it works.
		And they are turning out superb graduates.
		And they take kids from four years old on through 20.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do they take the graduates, Wayne, onto the next level or secondary education level without a grading system?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		The colleges are accepting them.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		All of the colleges are accepting them because they've shown what they can do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite remarkable.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, why is that?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And I review a couple of the books about it in my Secret Guide to Wisdom and tell you where you can get them.
		And they're very inexpensive.
		And as I say, there are eight books out on this school.
		But this is the way things should be going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And again, this is just one of the things available that you can get.
		If you want a list of the things that you can get, send Wayne, please, at least, a self-addressed stamped envelope.
		Don't forget that, because when you get tens of thousands of responses to something, it just becomes impossible.
		You've got to have a self-addressed stamped envelope in there and send it to Wayne Green in, what's the name of that town?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Like in John Hancock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hancock, New Hampshire.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		New Hampshire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Hampshire, 03449.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
		First time caller align.
		You're on the air with Wayne Green.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello from Hawaii out here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, I want to say thank you to you too real quick, Art, because I was in the Beans and Bullocks mentality a year and a half ago, and from that, got into community planning and got a task force put together on the island of Kauai along with the mayor.
		And nothing happened, but we got our hurricane plan revamped and a whole island of people working together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can sure use that because you had a hell of a hurricane not long ago.
unidentified		Yeah.
		But I've got a question for Mr. Green.
		Can you buy before you can fly?
		In other words, can I own a ham radio before I have a license?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		There is one qualification to that, I think.
		Mostly you can buy a ham rig anytime you want.
		I think, though, that with linear amplifiers, they require for certain bands that you produce a ham license so that it doesn't get into the hands of a C beer like that really works, but they try it anyway.
		So isn't that right, Wayne?
		Can't he get a ham rig?
unidentified		Wayne?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I lost Wayne.
		Wayne went into the ether.
		Anyway, that is the answer to your question.
		Let me try to call back Wayne live on the air right now.
		These things do occur.
		Let me see here.
		We'll see if he's wise enough to hang up the phone since we Did him in.
		God gone anyway, you know, these things happen.
		Is that you, Wayne?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the phone gremlins are at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		Hold on, let me get rid of the echo.
		There, hopefully.
		Oh, that's much better.
		Okay.
		The question was, can he buy a ham rig before he gets a license?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, certainly.
		There's no restriction on that.
		I wouldn't recommend using the transmitter part of it, but the receiver is wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that way, you can listen, and then when you get your license, you can transmit.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And if you have a ham friend, he can come over and you can use your transmitter with him there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you do transmit before you get licensed, Mr. Hollingsworth will have your arm removed at the elbow.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		They are getting more and more touchy about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know they are.
		And that's not touchy-feely.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, good morning.
		You had a little glitch, too, on the West Coast.
		I'm listening on KSFO.
		It was like 1.20, and you were asking Wayne a question, and both of you went off the air for about 30 seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's not Y2K related.
unidentified		Well, I'm just I have a question about antennas.
		I live in apartments, so I can't really do this experiment.
		I was surfing the internet, and I came across this article called Experiment with Ground Antennas.
		Now, instead of an aerial antenna, what they suggested to do was you take a copper, like a two-foot copper pipe, and put it and basically drive it into the ground, and then you take a wire from that copper pipe and attach it to your antenna on your radio.
		And what they're saying, what happens is that over a course of days, it starts to saturate, it starts to bring in radio signals from, instead of it bouncing off, I'm not radio, I don't know that much about it, but instead of it bouncing off the atmosphere and whatever it does, it brings it in direct lines.
		And as these days go by, you start to you get these signals that you never would have on your radio coming, these really small signals coming in and becoming larger and larger and larger.
		Have you ever heard about anything like that where an antenna would be underground?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		This is a prime candidate for an April issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Wayne, there really are some weird things that occur.
		There are underground antennas.
		The military did a lot of experiments on underground antennas.
		It can be done.
		Now, driving a rod into the ground is more like a traditional ground.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I don't actually, I really don't rule out what the man says.
		In a weird kind of way, you can get reception that way.
		Now, it's not the ideal way to do it, but there's something about that, Wayne.
		You can put a dipole, for example, and bury it in the ground and have some success and very low noise.
		It's kind of weird.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you have a quarterweight piece of wire going to the ground, that will give you a little better.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That way, you want to have low impedance at both ends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's interesting, Wayne.
		I've got, of course, I live out in the desert where the ground is not hot, but, you know, I put up like, I put 14, dug a 10-foot hole for this tower, a big, giant hole, and it was filled with 14 yards of concrete.
		And there's an extensive grounding system below it, and it runs into the shack, and that thing is actually a pretty damn good antenna.
		So there's something to what he says, and I don't know if anybody's done a lot of experimentation with it, but there really is.
		And it's particularly a good antenna on long wave, like on AM frequencies.
		It's remarkable.
		And I went, what?
		How can this be?
		And yet it is.
		So I have no answer for it, but he's sort of right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
unidentified		Hi, this is Matt in Dallas, listening on 570 KLIF.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cliff, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I had really kind of a statement, kind of a half-statement and question here.
		Me and my cousin are working on setting up a business ourselves.
		And my basic concept here is that the way to get rich in this country is to find something that other people are perfectly capable of doing themselves, but are basically too lazy to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Does that sound good to you?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
unidentified		I mean, does it work into the philosophy?
		I was looking at your website, and there's a lot of good information about your books and stuff, and I'm going to be hitting it with my credit card soon.
		So pretty interesting stuff you're having on tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you.
		And there is a lot of stuff people are too lazy to do and perfectly willing to pay probably easily won money in the market to do.
		Boy, I'll tell you, I don't know if you've been watching the markets, but it's like an endless boom, Wayne.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		No, it doesn't seem to have a downside yet.
		Maybe Gordon Michael Scallion will be able to drive it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's a buddy of yours there in New Hampshire.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Right, yeah, we have lunch every now and then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least a neighbor.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello.
		Hi.
		The way you were talking about cold fusion, it sounds like you've done quite a bit of investigation into it.
		If this is really a plausible possibility and it's just a matter of $100,000 or a few hundred thousand dollars that's preventing the necessary research to fine-tune it, is anybody working on maybe like trying to pull some investors together or organize something?
		I was thinking even like there are so many listeners that Art Bell has, if somebody could even start a little company and get a few hundred thousand interested people to even just put in a few dollars apiece, you'd have the necessary funding and you could totally bypass the universities.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, the problem there is one of communication.
		How do you get in touch with 10,000 people to put up $10 each?
		Well, it's not easy.
unidentified		I think Art Bell could maybe serve as sort of a flashpoint or focal point for somebody to pull something together here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything like that is possible.
		Personally, I find it hard to believe that if cold fusion was repeatedly demonstratable, there would not be an immediate, I mean, hundreds of thousands of dollars is nothing.
		Nothing.
		And somebody would be entrepreneur enough to come up with that kind of money, if not a lot more.
		And so I have some doubts about that.
		I just can't believe it's being suppressed the way it is successfully, if it really is viable.
		But that's me.
		How do you answer that, Wayne?
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, one way to answer it is I'll be glad to send you some copies of the Cold Fusion Journal, and you'll see the work that's been done, and you'll see the technical articles explaining the physics behind it.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And this is a whole new branch of physics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So then how much of a jump is it from that to commercial viability?
		You said it yourself, $100,000.
		Say you're wrong.
		Say it's a million.
		Why?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it would be done.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, we only have two or three experimenters working with it, and they've run out of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's astounding.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		The leading fellow is, of course, Jim Patterson down in Sarasota, Florida, who has all of the patents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Patterson cell.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And he's demonstrated that at probably was a poor thing to do, but he demonstrated it at a power conference.
		And I think he scared the hell out of them.
unidentified		Well, that's walking into the den of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you don't do that.
		You've got to some sort of alternative power thing first and make that circuit.
		Right.
		You don't walk into the den of wolves.
		Oh, geez.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Wayne Green and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		This is Jeff Colin.
unidentified		I'm just west of Wheeling, West Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		We're sorry.
		The next tell number you are trying to reach is not in service at this time.
		Please check the number and dial again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, we just lost that caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And thank you, lady.
unidentified		We're sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know you're sorry, and it's not White 2K-related either, right?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off on.
unidentified		Okay, just a sec.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be off when you call, otherwise you will be confused.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that time delay really throws your fur loop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does, yes.
unidentified		Okay, you were talking about your education earlier.
unidentified		And I think that, first of all, schools should go back to the basics, reading, writing, and arithmetic.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I agree.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		They've gotten off into weird stuff now, and they're not teaching reading, obviously.
unidentified		Well, they've also teached.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you they're not teaching writing either from the letters that I get.
unidentified		No, and what else they're doing is they're letting students, there's this Montessori school or something like that, which lets students learn at their own freedom if they choose to work.
		That's not appropriate.
		Students, if they're given the choice to work or not work, most will say, well, to heck with it, if I don't have to, I won't.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		But they don't do that.
		And that's not true.
		There's been no proof that that works that way at all.
		When they're left on their own, you can't stop them.
		Kids love to learn.
		They are so excited about learning.
		And you take a baby right from the very beginning.
		They're into everything.
		They want to learn.
		They want to learn.
		It's built right into us.
unidentified		I meant the type of school where, you know, it's like, okay, if you choose to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I remember school, and I have my comments, too.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's changed and maybe it hasn't.
		But Wayne, I remember sitting in class in history class, for example, and it was so damn boring that you could, it was like watching grass grow and you were lucky not to fall asleep.
		On the other hand, if you watch the history channel on television, it's captivating and you learn.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I don't think schools changed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think they still sit there and make you memorize dates.
unidentified		It depends on the teachers you have to.
unidentified		Teachers have to learn almost public speaking because they speak in a monotone the whole time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		They also should take calculators out of the classroom.
		I've gone through all of my high school math.
		I know how to do it on a calculator, but if you put it in front of me without a calculator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No way, huh?
unidentified		I'm stuck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, then you just pointed out to the both of us exactly part of what's wrong.
		Wayne, it's always a pleasure to have you on the air, and we will have you back soon again and cover other topics, more topics.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've got a lot more to talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So now.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		You know, one thing we've never discussed is what it's like to be in a submarine in World War II.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		We can talk About that next time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's do that.
		In the meantime, for a free list of what you can get if you don't have a computer, then send Wayne Green a self-addressed stamped envelope.
		Wayne Green, Hancock, New Hampshire, 03449.
		That's really easy.
		Or Wayne, just even Wayne in Hancock, New Hampshire.
unidentified		Right.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		And the website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The website is linked from ours.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Wayne.
unidentified		Okay.
wayne green ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, my friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from January 5, 2000.
		Coast to Coast AM from January 5, 2000.
		And you could take my way.
		I bet no one could take your way.
		And if you get hurt, I'm a little bit like falling in love with the last thing I had on my mind.
		Holding you with the warmth that I thought I could never find.
		Just trying to decide.
		Or stay by your side.
		I know I could cry.
		I just can't find the answer to the questions that keep going through my mind.
		Baby, it's on the side.
		I know I could never find the answer to the questions that keep going through my mind.
		I see visions of someone like you in my life.
		A love that's strong inching out, holding me through the darkest night.
		Just trying to survive.
		I'll stay by your side.
		I don't want to cry.
		I just can't find the answers to the questions you're going through my mind.
		Hey, babe.
		Here I am.
		I just can't find the answers to the questions you're going through my mind.
		Radio Radio Networks presents Art Bell, Somewhere Inside.
		Tonight's program originally aired January 5th, 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wayne Green is really a special person, isn't he?
		77 years old and still romping and stomping.
		That's Wayne.
		I'm Art Bell, and we've got a, well, almost an hour of absolutely open lines straight ahead.
		So anything you want to talk about is fair game.
		All right, here we go.
		Open lines.
		Anything you would like to chat about is fair game.
		I try to get open lines in some open lines every single night.
		Headless.
		There's headless people in the lower part of California.
		Not Southern California.
unidentified		Baja.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got a story about it here.
		Headless people.
		There are nearly necklace people in the NFL, and I wonder if they could use headless people.
		I mean, with headless people, you wouldn't have to have a helmet.
		All there would be would be this massive body hidden.
		I suppose I'd still have any problems.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Arthur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me.
unidentified		WFXOB.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me.
unidentified		Do you QFL?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		You know, for a while I didn't, and the reason is because I couldn't find my damn cards.
		But I found them.
		And I have many, many cards.
		Now, finally, again.
		I had them, I lost them, and I have now relocated them.
		In fact, to prove it, I will take a webcam picture of one of my QSL cards in just a moment.
		I have a whole box of them here.
		See, what happened is I lost them for a while.
		Now, a QSL is a confirmation of a contact.
		Hold on, I'm going to take the webcam picture just so you can see them, and I'll leave that up there for a little while.
		For all those who don't believe, I'm going to take that picture right now.
		Okay, I've just taken the picture so they can go up to my webcam and see me holding my QSL.
		Yes, I QSL.
unidentified		I had the distinct pleasure of talking to you on your trip to Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you were one of the ones who heard us in the aircraft, huh?
unidentified		on both 2 meters and 446 on UHF, all the way across Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you definitely should have one from Okay.
unidentified		Cold country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it getting cold up there, Final?
unidentified		It's terrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		I hate cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Have you ever watched A Christmas Story by Gene Shepard?
unidentified		The story of Ralphie who wants the Red Rider BB gun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Well, Gene Shepard is a silent key, unfortunately.
unidentified		I didn't know he was a ham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That I'm aware of, yes.
unidentified		Just passed away.
		He was, I guess, the voiceover of Ralphie.
		Ralphie was a young boy that went to his mailbox every day looking for the decoder ring, and it never came.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I did have a decoder ring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got one of those.
unidentified		Every day I go to my mailbox looking for a QSL card from Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sent me one.
unidentified		I sent you one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, we have a backlog, and as I said, I just found my cards.
		So hang in there.
		And maybe you might want to send another card.
		I'm not sure.
		Did you send a self-addressed stamp envelope?
unidentified		You bet I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did.
unidentified		I also sent you a videotape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no excuse whatsoever.
		So I don't know what happened.
		I know there was a big backlog because I couldn't find them.
		I have this closet.
		Now, when you see a picture of my room, it looks really neat.
		And it is.
		My whole room is really neat.
		But when it comes to my closet, it's like hell in there.
		I'm serious.
		It's like you can open the door and enough stuff could fall down to kill you.
		And that's where they were.
		So every now and then I go in there and I clean out my closet and then two years will pass and I have to clean it out again.
		And I found my card.
		So hopefully you're in the backlog.
		If you are, you'll get a card.
		If you're really desperate and you need your decoder ring right away, well then send another to be sure.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I believe that hindsight is 2020.
		I've been going, recently been going through some old issues of QST and 73 magazine.
		Yes.
		Ham-related magazines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
unidentified		And Wayne Green, who I wish I could have gotten in a few minutes earlier, back in the olden days in the 70s, I read his magazine and Wayne's articles were always a little, I don't know, left field, and I still see them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They still are.
		He hasn't changed.
		But he's always been years ahead of his time.
unidentified		Hindsight is 2020.
unidentified		Take some 20-year-old 73 magazines and some 20-year-old QST magazines read them now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
unidentified		The QST magazines are a joke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, and Wayne was right on the money.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And people were calling him a fool then, and they call him a fool a lot of times now.
		But the fact of the matter is, he's always, even at 77 years of age now, he's years ahead of his time.
		That's why I have him on the air.
unidentified		I certainly have a lot more respect for his editorials now, comparing his old issues.
unidentified		It's canny the way his old ideas on digital modes of communication back then were right on the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, and they thought he was a heretic then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the call, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wayne Green has always been years and years ahead of his time.
unidentified		There's a problem with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's an upside and a downside.
		The upside is sometimes you make a lot of money, and then sometimes you are called a heretic, a fool, an idiot.
		What?
		Digital communications on ham radio?
		Never.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, I'd like to talk with Arbell about the cancer problem.
unidentified		This is Darden from Geek Harbor, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Darden.
		Well, that's me, but I'm not an expert on cancer.
		What do you want to say?
unidentified		Oh, am I on the air now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		When I say West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		That has actual meaning.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, what I'd like to do is I wrote something about 1984, and it kind of summarizes some thinking about the cancer problem.
		And I think the average person should be able to understand it.
		It's not that technical.
		It's just steps in reasoning about the problem, and then it kind of points to a solution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is what?
unidentified		Well, there's an electromagnetic field underlying the process of growth in the organism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean as in a tumor or whatever?
unidentified		In all cancers.
		The definition of cancer by the National Institutes of Health, this was taken, again, about six years ago.
		This was from a publication.
		It says that it occurs when a particular cell or group of cells begin to multiply and grow uncontrollably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's cancer.
unidentified		Right.
		And so the attention needs to be centered on an analysis of uncontrolled multiplication and growth.
		But before you can do that, you have to analyze the fundamental physical forces underlying normal morphology and growth in an organism, which means that if you can discover the actual controlling forces, then we're at a starting point here as far as understanding what's actually causing the cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But scientists know the way cancer multiplies.
		I mean, they can observe that.
		And we have blunder-bust treatments of chemicals and radiation and so forth to try and kill the cancerous cells before you kill the patient.
		What have you discovered that would change that treatment?
unidentified		Well, there was some work done at Yale University Medical School back in the 1930s.
		And it was an analysis of the problem of organization in biology that was done by Professor Northrop at Yale.
		That was his doctoral thesis.
		And he was joined later by Dr. Burr at the Yale Medical School.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but I guess I'm asking for specifics.
unidentified		Okay.
		If there's a controlling force as far as the control of growth in an organism, then it has to be global.
		In other words, it has to involve all cells.
		And so if you can find some materials in cells that make up the structure of cells that are involved in this, then we should be in the right direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		are doing that now?
unidentified		Well, let me tell you what the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're taking a sample of the cancer, the tissue, they're doing a genetic analysis of it, and then they're providing people with inoculations experimentally that attack those particular cells.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those inoculation programs are underway in Southern California and elsewhere.
unidentified		Are you familiar with the term liquid crystals?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		There are biological structures that are also liquid crystal in-state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I tell you what, communicate with me privately on this.
		This is getting a little deep for talk radio.
		So get to me privately.
		Send me some mail or email or something.
		All right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's getting a little tough for an awful lot of the audience.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it sounds like we have a lot of talking to do about that.
		I'm pretty hopeful about some of the inoculation programs they're working on now.
		And I think the ultimate answer to cancer, and it's just my view, is going to be the unraveling of the human genome.
		And they're already making tremendous progress in that area.
		Not fast enough for many, but they're going as fast as they can.
		First time call our line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Is this the R-Bill program?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it is.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I'm not on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do the wild thing at 775-727-1295.
unidentified		An hour and a half to get on here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, listen, I had to eliminate your call because that would give your address out, and I don't want to do that.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a ham, anyway.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		And I feel like I'm a QRP operator here in a big pilot trying to get through on the phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That means a low-power operator.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I just wanted to make a couple comments here.
		My son said he had talked to you some time ago on 75 meters one night, so I kind of got interested and decided to listen to your program, which I have for a few times.
		And I wanted to say hello to your guest there tonight, if he's Wayne Green, if he's still on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he's not.
unidentified		Okay, yeah, I missed him then.
		Anyway, just was interested in that.
		No questions really.
		Just want to make a couple comments here.
		One mainly that I've been on Ham since the early 60s.
		And back in the early 70s, there was a radio called Ham Radio Horizons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that.
unidentified		Yeah, and it was a very fascinating magazine, I think, for the beginning Ham.
		You know, since they're trying to recoup young people today, it was a very fascinating magazine.
		But apparently something happened and they went broke and they're no longer in print.
		So that was about all I'd say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, unfortunately, that's happened to a lot of publications, and that's because ham radio, of course, is on the decline at the moment.
		Now, the change the Federal Communications Commission just made may reinvigorate it.
		And an awful lot of people have been stopped by the code requirements.
		And let's be honest with ourselves for a moment, shall we?
		Code is, I'm glad I learned it.
		I'm glad I became proficient in it.
		But I don't think that in the contemporary world, it is a requirement to be a good ham operator.
		That's all there is to it.
		As a matter of fact, I don't even like code.
		CW.
		It came to me very easily.
		I was lucky.
		It still remains with me.
		I can do about 20 words a minute.
		But I don't like it.
		I'm a vocal communicator.
		I enjoy talking.
		And the state of the art with regard to the equipment used by hams now has outmoded CW, frankly.
		There's a place for it.
		I just wish it wasn't on the handbands.
		Now, that's really going to draw some fire.
		And I just think that it's time that we all sort of tighten up the belt a little bit, realize we live in a new world, and open the doors a little bit wider to become more inclusive.
		And the step the Commission has taken, I think, is a good one toward doing that.
		I don't want this hobby to die with those who are presently licensed, and you should not either.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Brett from Santa Cruz?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Brett.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies call toll-free, 1-800-618-8255.
unidentified		You mentioned there is a race.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would actually prefer that you don't.
		Okay.
		That's all over and done with.
		Anything else?
unidentified		No, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Thank you very much, and you have a good night, too.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, is this the Arpelle show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the one.
unidentified		Oh, great, great.
		How you doing?
		Okay.
		All right.
		I've got a couple things for you.
		First, I want to tell you a funny Y2K story.
		I'm down here in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And New Year's night, we had some guy running around in a World War II APC firing blanks out of the cannon.
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd think that would have made the wire services.
unidentified		I'm surprised it really didn't.
unidentified		They arrested him for disturbing the peace, of course, and took his APC away from him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Man, I'll tell you, if you saw an APC coming down the street firing blanks, you'd never know they were blanks.
unidentified		Well, no, they had quite a few comes from that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in a sort of a twisted way, I've always been an advocate of private citizens having atomic bombs, so, you know, I enjoy that kind of thing.
unidentified		Well, down here in Texas, we have some people that get whatever they can and put it in their vehicle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		So a guy was driving around in an APC, huh?
unidentified		And we were wearing blanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a good night to do that, really.
		Actually, there's never a good night to do that, really.
		And I'm sort of kidding about the atom bomb thing.
		On the other hand, there'd be a lot more respect in the world, and people would treat each other with great respect, knowing that each and every one of them had their own private atom bomb.
		It's kind of the mad, what do they call it, mutual assured destruction, mad theory, right?
		Taken from nation states right down to your local community.
		I mean, are you going to go mess with somebody who's got an atom bomb?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Going twice.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Uh, yeah, how you doing?
unidentified		Um, I just wanted to uh ask a question about the cool fusion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Uh would it be putting out less pollution than burning oil and all that kind of other stuff?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course.
unidentified		Uh all right.
		I mean, I wanted to make a comment.
		Why wouldn't anybody support it if it would make less pollution in the air when everybody's, you know, screaming about saving the planet instead of cutting it out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's say that you're a cigar-chumping millionaire down in Texas that pumps oil out of the ground.
		Okay?
		Would you be supporting it?
unidentified		Well, yeah, you got a point.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the same point that Wayne Green was making.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just said it in a slightly different way.
unidentified		Okay, I just got the end of that deal, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big oil is big money.
		It's gasoline, it's oil, it's everything we all need.
		And for as long as they can get it, yank it up out of the ground, process it, and sell it at great profit, that is probably going to continue.
		Wouldn't you think?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's your answer.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, sir.
unidentified		Here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This actually says it pretty well.
		I'm Ark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Don't touch that dial.
		This guy's name is C.W. McCall.
unidentified		You're listening to Ark Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks tonight.
		An oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
		We is heading for Bear on I-10, about a mile out of Shaky Town.
		I says, Pigpen, this here's a rubber duck, and I'm about to put the hammer down.
		Cause we are little gun boys, walking through the night.
		Yeah, we got a little gun boy, it's your beautiful sight.
		Come on, join our gun boy, ain't that one, it's not right.
		We don't know this time.
		Gun boys, it's a good day.
		Gun boy.
		I'm a breaker, Pigpen, this here's a duck, you know.
		Now you put it back up, them hogs.
		Roger, them hopes are getting impier.
		By the time we got into Tulsa town, we had 85 trucks in all.
		But there's a roadblock up on the clover leaf, and them bears wall to wall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, them smokies as thick as bugs on a bumper.
unidentified		They...
		You got the man in your eyes, it's all in the cold, it's all right.
		Bend me, shake me any way you want it, as long as you love me, it's all right.
		Bend me, shake me any way you want it, you got the power to turn on the light.
		Bend me, shake me any way you want it, you got the power to turn on the light.
		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks tonight.
		An on-tour presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 5th, 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wilson Lines, directly ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything you want to talk about, as I'm famous for saying, is fair game.
unidentified		The End Well, that was an horrible Redenbacher commercial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's true.
		Popcorn is really irresistible.
		I mean, the smell of popping popcorn is probably it's like coffee.
		There are certain smells in the world that are absolutely Popcorn?
		Coffee?
		Cigarettes, if you haven't had one in a long time.
		Let's see what else.
		There are others.
		There are weird ones.
		You know what I used to really like?
		You know what I like the smell of?
		Vacuum cleaners.
		That weirder one.
		My mom used to vacuum cleaner.
		Whenever she got it, it was this great smell.
		I don't know what it was.
		Maybe some sort of It's dust being collected by a vacuum cleaner.
		Now, I don't know why that would be particularly good, but I always enjoyed it.
		Which shows you how weird I am.
		Vacuum cleaner operation.
		I don't even want to say it's a dust.
		It's some special smell that is produced by a vacuum cleaner vacuuming.
		I don't know what it is.
		International Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Arch, we know you're weird, but that's the point.
unidentified		That's Ron from Dayful Saskatchewan Colleen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you like the smell of vacuum cleaners?
unidentified		Oh, I love to smell a lot of stuff that my wife don't like to smell of, so.
unidentified		The vacuum cleaners, it depends what she's vacuuming, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, some are into vacuum cleaners, some are into other stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's okay.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		But anyways, I'm interested in ham radio, too, but I don't have much time to spend at home listening to it.
		But I'm wondering, is there ham radios that are available that can work off an external mobile antenna that you can use in a transport truck?
		Like they just?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what you can do in your truck?
unidentified		What can I do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can get a radio now that will cover almost all the popular ham frequencies.
		You put an antenna up on your truck, you're really fortunate because you're way up there anyway.
		And you can sit there and drive along the road and talk all over the world.
unidentified		Oh, that'd be interesting as far as the talking part, but I'd be more interested in the listening part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can do both.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, you could be trucking down the road talking to somebody in Tokyo.
unidentified		Oh, that sounds interesting.
unidentified		And how would be the reception in the truck?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
unidentified		It would be, eh?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent, actually.
unidentified		Great.
		Glad to hear that.
		And by the way, the weather up here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		very cold.
		We're finally in the winter.
		We had a very, very mild fall right up to about Christmas time, eh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Just between Defoe and Saskatoon in Northern Saskatchewan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		She's cold up here now.
unidentified		I mean, it's right where we usually have her right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's about time.
unidentified		Well, I would say so, but I kind of enjoyed that mild weather we were having beforehand.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it may not mean anything really good, you know.
unidentified		No, but I agree with you.
unidentified		We do have weather troubles all over the world, and I feel sorry for some of these people that are getting the worst of it all, you know, with the flooding and the whole bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's bad.
		South America, Europe are getting clobbered.
		Thank you very much, sir.
unidentified		Okay, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And pursue that license.
		You'll enjoy it.
		Oh, yeah, sure.
		From one of the big rigs.
		You know, most of them have CB, and I understand that.
		It's a practical thing, so they can call each other and warn about cops and stuff like that.
		But you put a ham rig in there.
		One of the new ones are small, too.
		Literally as small as a CB rig.
		And you're running 100 watts or better on HF frequencies.
		You put up an antenna, and you're way up there in that cab.
		And boy, I'll tell you, you'll talk to people all over the world.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Ed calling from Nashville, Tennessee.
		Listening to you on WTN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I couple of updates on Y2K here in Nashville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		But before that, before I get to that real quick, I want to say something about that cold fusion.
unidentified		I'm pretty sure if you set up a cold fusion fund, you can raise that up in no time listening to you on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it's real.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		On the Y2K thing, I'm currently a correction officer here in Nashville, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		We had extra officers up to our ears down here in Nashville.
		Right.
		Currently, it went smoother than a big bottle.
		Nothing happened.
		Right.
		Eventually, they ended up sending everybody home pretty early.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure they were happy about that.
unidentified		Yep.
		And one more Y2K thing.
		My father-in-law was over for New Year's Eve and he showed me his pay stuff.
		You know what it said?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		It had all zeros.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not too good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want some sort of digit in front of the zeros.
unidentified		Yeah, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of people getting like a million dollars in a paycheck.
		Now, if you got a million-dollar paycheck and you knew you could go to the bank and cash it.
		Well, now, wait a minute.
		You're an officer of the law, aren't you?
		I shouldn't be asking you.
		I shouldn't ask you this.
		Never mind.
		Thank you very much for the call.
unidentified		Okay, Art.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
		Don't want to push them through that.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Well, how are you, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		Glad to see we made it through Y2K, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it would seem.
unidentified		Yeah.
		You know, I'm calling you specifically because I've had a hard time getting a hold of you through other mediums.
		I was wondering if you received a package that Lawler Productions sent you from Denver, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did it have in it?
unidentified		Well, the package itself was kind of hard to miss.
unidentified		It was a great pyramid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My package opener and Taster of Foods is in the other room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a great pyramid?
unidentified		It was a great pyramid.
unidentified		It was about a foot in diameter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was in it?
unidentified		A set of videotapes that our company produced on Atlantis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and that's why you put them in a pyramid.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you send it?
unidentified		I sent them to you probably three weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, then obviously they have to be here.
		Oh, I just heard a scream from the other room.
		We've got it.
unidentified		You do have it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Good deal.
		I would appreciate you getting in contact with me, Art.
		My name's Glenn.
		I'm with Lollard Productions in Denver, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Glenn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll take a look, see.
unidentified		Take a look inside, Art.
unidentified		I'll tell you, a lot of things that you've been questioning will be answered in the tape, not necessarily from the paradigms point of view that I think that you subscribe to, but nonetheless, there will definitely be some answers there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look at anything.
unidentified		I'd appreciate hearing from you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		I really would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		You take care now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Oops.
		Oops.
		Are you there?
		Let's see.
		Missed him.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Mr. Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, Prescott Valley, Arizona.
		Let me look at it.
		KNOT.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, I listened and talked to a few of your friends on 39425 out in your neck of the woods, Toby and Jane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Toby has moved, I understand, to Texas.
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, then he was going up north, him and his boats.
		We tease him about his boats, you know, if you've stayed with the guys.
		But anyway, boys, glad to get in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you talked to Toby since you what do you mean up north?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean by north?
unidentified		Well, he was going to Washington, too, besides the Conroe, Texas thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is he on the air now?
unidentified		No, I'm not on that frequency.
		I'm listening to you on my 440.
		But old Kenwood, you know.
		Anyway, gee, God, it scared me here.
		A couple of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've forgotten, haven't you?
unidentified		Well, no, not really.
unidentified		I was listening to Mr. Green.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it was interesting about the ham thing.
		Well, I think the computer stuff is coming in.
		It's so much easier.
		I've seen a lot of hams drop out because it's a lot easier on a computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		I don't have a computer.
		I'm not computer literate, unfortunately, because everybody wants to.
		We're in a group out here, a two-meter group.
		I'm a no-code tech.
		And I'm real glad to see about this five-word a minute time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to jump on it?
unidentified		Oh, I've flunked three times.
		At five?
		CW is not my verbal word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there are some people who just cannot assimilate learning the code.
		It's true.
		Wayne doesn't believe it, but it's true.
unidentified		Well, the problem I've noticed with me is when I lose a character, I can't get it out of my mind.
		And then as the tape progresses, when you take the test, you know, I'm still thinking about the other one.
		Instead of putting a line in there and going to the next character, I can't get it out of my brain.
		But anyway, I had a few things.
		It's good that, because the British did this about a year ago or so, changed this, the AARL situation, you know, to five words for everybody.
		I guess now it's going to be tech, general, and advanced.
		I think you're advanced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
unidentified		And yeah, I looked it up in my old 95 call book when I heard your call.
		But anyway, there's a few things.
		On your music, I was surprised that you're not don't listen, run any of Bob Dylan's verse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I got Dylan's stuff.
unidentified		Okay, and especially one I like is Kat Stevens.
unidentified		There's some verse in there, a hard-headed woman, which I find very apropos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hard-headed woman?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're all hard-headed.
unidentified		Yeah, but the one where you have fine feathered friends and their friendly nests depends on how you do, and that verse like that.
		But anyway, this is great.
		Do you hear this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you recognize this?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, lay, lady, lay.
		That's right.
		Yeah, I'm an old Bill of Creek.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I had it.
unidentified		But anyway, on this philosophy of making money, I've been up and I've been down.
		Up is better.
		An old retired trucker.
		And find a need and fill it, A. And you're right, Wayne's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either that or find a bank and rob it.
unidentified		Oh, well, you know, that's, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody once said, why do you rob banks?
unidentified		That's where the money is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where the money is.
		Don't rob banks.
		I appreciate your call, sir.
		Thank you.
unidentified		And take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't rob banks.
unidentified		That was just a joke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody's here.
		And you said I can rob the bank.
		No, I didn't.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		This is Rick calling from Kansas in a truck.
		Hi, Rick.
		I'm also a ham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And the guy I called a little bit ago about running HF Mobile.
		I used to do that quite a bit.
		I was trying to explain to him he could sit in there and talk to the world.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, I used to talk to a guy up in Pennsylvania every morning and New Zealand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can only talk to other truckers so long, you know.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After a while, it's fun to sit there and go from your cab to South America, Europe, whatever.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
		But on the you're talking about power restrictions and the tower police, I put towers up and take them down and stuff for hams in the North Texas area.
		And I put up one for a guy in Plano, Texas, and his neighbors give him some problems.
		And you know, to make a long story short, it was used in and out in the local ham community.
		He got lots of calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm beginning to lose you here.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand, though.
		thank you very much others uh...
		And they will come and they will make you take your antenna down or lower it or whatever.
		It's horrendous.
		There once was a day in America, and I still live in a place like that, thank God, where you could pretty much...
		Ruler of your own domain.
		Now it's just not true in many communities anymore.
		In the name of planning and conformity and uniformity and blandness and God, I hate it, don't you?
		But it's going on more and more around America.
		They all have to look the same.
		The grass has to be, you know, cut at a certain length.
		They're the grass police.
		First time call our line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Yes.
		I just got off of your website, and I was reading something about the global superstorm.
		Oh, yes.
		I was listening to Rush Limbaugh a couple of weeks ago, and he had some stuff on there saying that the Earth atmosphere was actually cooling down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's entirely possible.
		In fact, the global superstorm, if you read about it, predicts a coming ice age.
		Would you turn your radio off, please?
unidentified		Yeah, it's in another house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's in another house?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I put it next door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Well, hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You live too close to somebody is what I would say.
unidentified		Hold on a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		God, another house.
		Secured running there.
unidentified		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, he was saying it's cooling down.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know Rush takes the position that global warming is bunk, but it's not.
		And he's in a dispute with the top U.S. meteorological person in America and Britain, which just issued a joint statement to the contrary.
		Rush is taking a political position on a scientific reality.
unidentified		Okay.
		No, I just ordered your book.
		I'm kind of interested in hearing what it had to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you were on my website, you go up there and you read The Climate State just issued by the two top people in American Britain.
		Read that.
		All right?
unidentified		I highly recommend listeners get on your website and read the first chapter of that book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		It's really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate it, sir.
		And it's available, of course, on Amazon.com.
		You can get it through my website.
		If you buy it at Amazon.com, it is 30% off.
		30% off.
		It's a great buy.
		And, of course, we're going to be in New York signing books next week.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hello, long time no see.
		Let me kill this Phagin.
		It's hard to kill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		This is Smoker David Mesa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's been a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Take all I got a hold of you once since the Superglue incident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		Well, I just, well, I solved the Y2K problem.
unidentified		You wouldn't believe the problems I had to pass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was you, huh?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, it all hit me.
unidentified		But I got a new computer up now, and I finally got the C SETI screen saver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean your computer died?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, I lost the configuration files and allocation files on my hard drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll do it.
unidentified		So I've been offline until tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		You wouldn't believe the emails I had to go through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I would.
unidentified		Yeah, I guess you would.
unidentified		One thing I want to bring up is that down south of me in Tucson, I don't know if you saw the story, but the two major newspapers down there have banned individual gun owners from trying to sell their guns through the class fights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They won't run the ad.
unidentified		They won't run the ad.
unidentified		They'll do it for licensed dealers, but not for individuals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
		Unless there is a law.
		Well, I guess they can have any policy they want.
		I suppose they can do that.
		I mean, it's their newspaper.
		It's a privately owned affair, so if they want to ban people from selling guns, they can do that.
		They have a right as a private business.
		A newspaper is a private business, right?
		Just like a radio station.
		So, yeah, I think they have a right to do that.
		I don't know why they would, but they do.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Nice to talk to you.
		It's Sherry in Phoenix Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Sherry.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Oh, you sound just fine.
unidentified		I wanted to compliment you on your program with Jack Anderson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
unidentified		That had to be one of the best interviews I've heard in my entire life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't he, some?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And so were you for the questions you asked.
		Somehow you always seem to ask the things that I would ask if I had both the knowledge and the means.
		So it's always a satisfying program to listen to.
		Thanks.
		The other thing, I just had an idea that has been with me for some time now on the contrail issue.
		And since I understand your guest of tomorrow evening will be speaking on this matter, I've long believed, just myself, that contrails are in great part responsible for trying to inoculate a large part of the American public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought the same thing.
unidentified		Is that right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that was my first guess.
unidentified		That makes me feel good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That if there was some kind of secret program going on, I mean, obviously something's going on with the contrails or chemtrails as they're popularly called now, that it would be an inoculation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But my guest tomorrow night has an entirely different point of view, and I think you're going to find it very interesting.
unidentified		Well, you know, I wouldn't miss it for anything in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he doesn't think that it's to make us sick, and he doesn't think it's to inoculate us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So to find out what he does think, you got to tune in.
unidentified		You know, I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, listen, tell everybody good night.
unidentified		Oh, good night, America, from the best show in the world.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		All right, folks.
		That's it.
		And as I closed with last night, tonight I will say the same.

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