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Jan. 6, 2000 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Mike Castle, William Thomas - Viewpoints on Chemtrails

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	The Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Network.
	Last hour you heard a rather historic broadcast.
	Two police officers from Illinois who both saw a triangular object silently pass directly above them, their patrol cars.
	Officers who didn't know each other.
	Federal departments that saw this in Illinois at 4 o'clock yesterday morning, a little after 4.
	If you missed it, we will replay that hour as the first replay hour at 3 a.m.
	Pacific Time, so you can catch it then.
	My advice, catch it.
	Coming up in a moment is Mike Kessel.
	Now, Mike Kessel is going to give you a different point of view on contrails, or as they have become known somewhat less than affectionately, chemtrails.
	He's got a different point of view and a different thought about them, and he is well qualified to have that thought.
	I'll tell you more about that in a moment.
	Well, it was now many, many months ago when William Thomas first came to us and said, Art, have you noticed that the contrails that airplanes are leaving don't seem normal?
	They seem to linger and last as contrails should not.
	They seem to form into a kind of a general mist that turns into kind of a misty cloud bank that lingers.
	And William has done some testing, of course, of samples that have managed to make it to the ground.
	And has noted some of the contents of these samples.
	Many of you out there believe that you are being inoculated, given the flu.
	You should see the stories I've got.
	Just with regard to the flu alone, it is now epidemic on the East Coast.
	It is, let me see, here's something from Alabama, from the Mobile Register.
	It says, flu reaches epidemic levels in area.
	Hospitals are turning people away.
	Here's one from Carolyn, again in Mobile, Alabama.
	Art, note the 2,560 flu-like cases this year, compared to 426 for the same period last year.
	A six times increase.
	They covered our skies with contrails in November and December.
	I work at a hospital, and I have never, and she underlines that, I've never seen anything like this.
	I have not been sick because I keep my immune system up, but everyone else in my family has been sick at least once.
	And so I'm wondering what Mr. Kessel has to say about possible epidemic cause.
	I'm not sure he's going to have anything to say.
	It would, it strikes me, certainly we are having a terrible, terrible flu epidemic in many parts of the country right now.
	Europe also has epidemic levels.
	Are the contrails producing this illness, this upper respiratory illness that people are getting?
	Or, what are these chemtrails, these contrails?
	Well, even William Thomas will tell you.
	He doesn't know for sure.
	He knows they're certainly not the old-fashioned Contrails that we all knew to love and dismiss.
	You know, pretty little lines in the sky that are fluffy and white and go away pretty quickly, normally.
	Something's going on.
	And Mike Kessel is about to join us.
	Mike is well qualified to speak on the subject.
	He is president of a Midwestern environmental consulting and engineering firm, and has been so Since the late 1980s, numerous and varying environmental projects, including investigation, surveillance, remediation of soils and groundwaters contaminated with toxic chemicals, including bio-remediation.
	Mike has given testimony to the U.S.
	Congress by invitation on Superfund site cleanups in the past two and one half years.
	An industrial polymer chemist in coatings and adhesives for 22 years now and a consulting chemist with his own firm for the past 11 years.
	He is an author and inventor of numerous U.S.
	patents involving polymer technologies in adhesives.
	He attended college in the late 1960s and served in the U.S.
	Coast Guard Reserve.
	He holds a national credential as a Certified Environmental Risk Auditor slash Assessor.
	He resides in Dayton, Ohio, and in fact is a native of Ohio.
	I guess grew up in Ohio.
	Mike, welcome to the program.
	Yes, good evening.
	Thank you.
	Well, when did you first hear about this whole contrail slash chemtrail?
	Yes, it was on your program with William Thomas.
	You have what may be a little bit of a different, I mean there's all kinds, theories abound.
	The only thing we seem to know for sure is that contrails aren't what they used to be.
	Theories about what they are abound.
	From inoculations to bio-warfare tests to you name it, people are talking about it.
	But you've got kind of a different take on what it might be, don't you?
	Well, I think it's something of a different flavor.
	It's 2 plus 2, hopefully we don't come up with 5.
	But he uses some of the expertise from the very beginning of listening to William Thomas and what he was saying about some of the components that he found on the retrieved samples, that's what piqued my interest.
	And all those two, the bacterial side of it, and he did in fact make some He did release some information when I was listening to him about the type of bacterial strain it was, and then secondly, iron compounds.
	That's what really struck my interest because that's a very odd combination.
	Well, what do you think of, before we move into the great details of this, do you agree that chondrails are not what they once were, or at least many of them are different than they ever have been?
	Yes, I do.
	You do?
	I have actually seen one of these contrails myself.
	Yeah, so have I. And not the everyday little puffy white contrail that disappears, but a different version.
	Describe what you saw.
	On a relatively clear day.
	And you'll have to remember, I think I mentioned to you on the phone, I'm a pilot.
	So you kind of watch the way things fly around, and I noticed in a clear blue sky, about like today, just a beautiful turquoise blue, this August, and it was a Y, the letter Y, backwards.
	So it was almost an X, but it was a Y backwards.
	Now here's one aircraft going Let's just say I'm headed east and one aircraft must have been going at about 220 heading and the other one must have been flying about a 160 heading.
	And just in that one patch of sky there is this gigantic, wide plume.
	I can't tell you about or describe the detail about how wide it was.
	But of course contrails are made.
	Let's say it's the generic variety.
	When they hit certain air inversions, certain temperatures in the sky and form ice crystals behind the wings.
	Sure.
	And from the plume.
	Well, this wasn't one of those.
	Because there was just one spot in the sky that had two jet aircraft at high altitude just mysteriously come apart or come together at this one point.
	Well, that was not a contrail.
	That was the other thing.
	A chemtrail.
	We're calling chemtrails.
	It was a chemtrail.
	Yeah, there was no question.
	And some very, very severe weather followed that just east of where I'm saying that.
	As I spoke to Richard Ogden about it, he in fact pointed that out.
	No, there was some really bad stuff that happened in northwestern Ohio and along the Array Lakes.
	Just after that entire sequence, of course, I've only seen one.
	All right, well, that's all it really takes.
	You've seen one that was obviously not a real contrail, but some sort of chemtrail, for lack of a better phrase now.
	You've done an awful lot of environmental work for, I guess, all your life, or your adult life?
	Yes, that's my profession.
	We do everything but things that glow or the occult.
	more vehicles.
	If you're going to, we don't get into it.
	Alright.
	What is in these chemtrails that you recall William Thomas suggesting was in them?
	Let's talk about that first, the various things that he has so far found.
	Again, the recognition of the attunity that I in fact heard him talk about, which got me to thinking, was in fact the iron compounds All right.
	Iron compounds and bacteria.
	That's kind of an odd combination.
	There were many things that he could have retrieved from samples that did hit the ground
	and power.
	He came about in getting those, the analytical assessment that was made.
	Those are the two things right there.
	Alright, iron compounds and bacteria.
	That's kind of an odd combination.
	I mean, it's a metal, some sort of metal, and living bacteria.
	Oh Living bacteria.
	Now, what did that set off in your mind?
	Well, those are two compounds that are normally associated with certain types of environmental cleanups of chlorinated or halogenated compounds in groundwater and soils.
	Oh!
	Associated with cleanups?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I mean, I remember this story.
	Uh, Mike, about oil spills, and I think they developed some sort of bacteria, or a little bug, or I don't know what it was, or something that actually would eat the oil?
	Yes, exactly.
	Is that the kind of bacteria you're talking about?
	We're talking about the same live, naturally occurring bacteria.
	Yeah, there are various strains, but that's the same thing, and we've used those quite extensively in many, many cleanups, including up to petroleum compounds, gasoline, benzene.
	But there are some that are selective in cleaning up chlorinated compounds or halogens
	including PCBs which are chlorinated compounds and they are toxic.
	And iron compounds, there's a there's something that my associate,
	I'll just give you his first name is Don in Sarasota.
	He has his own company and he's an industrial microbiologist and I kid Don because I say to people, I swear this guy talks to these things because he really understands bacteria.
	I guess, Gil, what I don't.
	Well, you know.
	Sounds almost paranormal to me.
	You'd like that.
	Anyways, Art, the point is, he mentioned something about another chemical series that academia uses quite a bit.
	It's called Fenton's reagent.
	Just use that as a phrase for a moment.
	Okay.
	Even though I don't know what it is.
	No, I'll just give you a fast forward.
	It is comprised of ferric sulfate, which is in fact iron sulfate, and peroxide.
	And when that comes in contact with a halogen or a chlorinated compound or a chlorinated hydrocarbon, it cleaves the chlorine off from the hydrocarbon and tends to in fact remediate the site.
	The only problem is It works in the laboratory, but it doesn't really work out in the field.
	I guess it was like what Wayne was saying last evening about the cold fusion, you know, sometimes it works and sometimes it don't.
	So this is something that you can make work in the lab, and it cleans up what in the lab?
	It will clean up the contaminant in a bench study.
	Like what kind of contaminant?
	PCBs, 1, 2, 3, trichloropropane, and other known and also suspect carcinogens that are in groundwaters from various industrial practices.
	So this plantains reagent can be used.
	There have been many studies where they bury iron filings in the ground.
	And groundwaters are in fact riddled through there and it does the same thing with the chlorine or halogen.
	It actually complexes and tends to, I'll just use the word for this evening, it tends to neutralize the chlorine even though it's not what it's doing.
	It filters it.
	It's kind of like a... It complexes it.
	We have wells out here where I live and you go down 160 feet and the water somehow Going through so much dirt and rock and sand and whatever all it goes through, that cleans the water.
	Yes.
	And that's how we're able to have our waste disposal here at just below ground level because it doesn't matter.
	By the time it gets down 160 feet, it's like any other water.
	Same idea, roughly?
	Same idea, exactly.
	I think I'm starting to get the picture here.
	So you're thinking that this might be, I'm going to just guess now, some sort of mass attempt at some sort of mass environmental cleanup or modification?
	Yes.
	I believe that there is something in what man has put in.
	Possibly Peter Davenport would say it might be coming from these UFOs, who knows?
	But be as it may, I believe that it is coming from various types of aviation and aircraft fuels that generates compounds because of the additives in the fuels, i.e.
	uh... atlanta bromide right uh... in fact a metal scavenger
	uh... for a melody activator and an additive in uh... jet fuels and in that
	case there it's doing what is supposed to do plus a number of other
	additives uh...
	Deicers, antigelants, antioxidants, so on and so forth.
	Those are all common things, but there's a couple of them that are in JP5, which is a military fuel.
	Right.
	And that particular fuel has AI flash, and it is mil-spec.
	And of course, I am pursuing to find out what that mil-spec says to find out if it has something like ethylene dibromide in it.
	Now, here's the point.
	Ethylene dibromide could, in fact, if it's not, if it's dispersed as exhaust at altitude that we're talking about, 31,000 feet, if the reaction process may still take place with ozone, because that's in the same layer of atmosphere that you would expect ozone to be, or even higher at higher altitudes.
	All right, we've got to take a break here.
	When we come back, I want to ask you what happens when ethylene dibromide and ozone get together in our skies.
	Summer in the city and the contrails ain't what they used to be.
	Upper respiratory infections going on.
	I wonder if that might be a byproduct of whatever they're trying to do up there.
	We'll be right back.
	Mike Castle is an environmentalist.
	We're talking about chemtrails, or whatever in the hell you want to call it.
	And we're talking about chemical chemtrails.
	or whatever in the hell they are.
	We don't know.
	We just know they're different.
	William Thomas, I think, has outlined that very passionately and very well, as far as he has been able to go.
	Tonight, a different view on what they might be from Mike Castle.
	We'll be right back.
	Alright, back now to my castle.
	We have something in our skies we don't understand.
	We don't know what it is.
	We don't know what it does.
	We have a suspicion that it is contributing to upper respiratory illness.
	Much more than we have ever seen before.
	But that's still just a suspicion.
	We don't know.
	Mike, again, ethylene dibromide is part of jet fuel, JP5, you said?
	I believe it is, yeah.
	What do you think that might be doing?
	I mean, there's a lot of jets up there and using a lot of jet fuel.
	So, what's possible here?
	Well, I think what's possible, Art, is that it in fact could be depleting ozone.
	Because ethylene dobermine in fact could react with ozone, O3,
	and in fact deplete the ozone such as chlorofluorocarbons, which were banned for the same thing.
	Uh-huh.
	Now do jets, when they leave the residue with this in it, what happens to it?
	Does it fall to ground or does, they're at what, you said altitude, 30 some odd thousand feet, or does some of it, like CFCs, rise to the ozone layer, and where is the ozone layer anyway?
	It's above 31,000 feet.
	It would rise.
	Oh, it would rise?
	And again, you're getting into the jet stream of the stratosphere and wherever jet exhaust
	goes, obviously it would in fact rise, not fall.
	Now, we're talking about ethylene dimbromide and the cause of a problem, I suspect the
	cause of a problem were ripping some very big holes in the ozone from various types
	Well, we sure know we've got big holes in the ozone.
	Giant ones.
	Yeah.
	Both holes and even now over the U.S.
	with, I don't know, five, six percent depletion.
	I don't know what the latest figures are.
	Globally.
	But in that, there's a cause.
	If large holes in the ozone are being ripped, more UV sunlight comes in.
	We, in fact, could be accelerating this phenomena called global No, but it's part of ozone depletion.
	of more ultraviolet iridation and of course the problems set aside for carcinogenicity,
	tumors, skin cancers, things like that.
	That is not part of what we are talking about.
	No, but it is part of ozone depletion.
	We know that for example in Australia, Mike, children are required to wear hats and coverings
	to go to school because of the depleted ozone.
	Yes.
	Because they don't want a lot of cancers and so it's not bad down there now.
	It's beginning to get to be pretty bad here too, isn't it?
	Yes, it is.
	And you think jet exhaust might be one contributive cause?
	I think it may be one contributive, yes, one thing that in fact could be greatly damaging the ozone layer.
	And if that's known, obviously somebody's going to try to repair that hole or those rips.
	And I think that's where this comes in with the chemtrails.
	It's just a real large in-the-sky spackling job trying to pack these holes up.
	That's what I think's going on.
	Okay, fine.
	I guess I could understand that.
	These compounds, iron compounds, bacteria, might go up in some way.
	Would they in fact, or would there have to be more components To repair the ozone, or would these iron compounds and bacteria have a positive effect in the ozone layer?
	Uh, yes they would, because they in fact would tend to degrade the very thing that's causing the ozone to react with these compounds, i.e.
	ethylene debromide.
	Uh-huh.
	CFCs?
	Excuse me?
	CFCs?
	CFCs, anything that in fact would be considered to be causative of depleting the ozone or reacting with ozone at that altitude.
	And those two things that I mentioned that Bill Thomas in fact found are bacteria using
	an aerobic strain, meaning it in fact will degrade various types of materials without
	air and of course there's not a lot of air up there as far as oxygen.
	And secondly the iron component is a methodology.
	It doesn't work that well but nonetheless if that's what a, let's just say a large federally
	approved contractor, as I understand the discussions in unmarked planes, they have a lot of money.
	Could in fact be trying to remediate these large holes in the ozone by taking the very
	thing out of it that is creating the holes.
	In a nutshell, that's what I think could be part of this whole thing.
	There could be other causes of the ozone disruption or depletion, but those two things right there are striking.
	Well, we know our weather has definitely turned south on us.
	As a matter of fact, there was yet another report of another storm that went roaring into Scandinavia.
	Last night with 80 mph winds, several storms with 100 mph winds plus, we've had 300 million trees in France go down as a result of the latest storms.
	Ice is melting at the North and South Poles.
	It's horrible what's going on.
	So, we know that is in fact occurring, and you're suggesting that ozone depletion may be contributing to all of this, or maybe hurrying it up a little bit.
	And somebody somewhere knows this, and they're trying to remediate whatever's wrong by doing this.
	And what we need, and it's the same thing that William Thomas needs, is we need to get
	air samples.
	Air samples.
	Somehow, someway.
	In other words, uncontaminated by falling on the ground or even a building for that
	matter.
	Yes, exactly.
	We need to get it really out of the air.
	So what do we need to do that?
	When or how?
	Well, I guess both.
	In other words, what kind of...
	Would you send a jet aircraft up to try and collect samples?
	actually fly through these chemtrails and see what they are.
	Exactly.
	And that's exactly what Richard Ogden and I talked about on the phone the first time.
	It was a calling, if you will, of somewhat like a volunteer effort with some of the Learjet, because Richard has been, as he told me, very close If you had a sample brought to you, Mike, do you have the ability to go into a lab and find out exactly what's in it?
	Absolutely.
	We could develop the entire protocol.
	Obviously I told him I like to go along, but I'm not a jet pilot.
	If you had a sample brought to you, Mike, do you have the ability to go into a lab and
	find out exactly what's in it?
	Absolutely.
	We could develop the entire protocol.
	You could, huh?
	The bacterial side and the other things, starting with GCMS, gas chromatography mass spec.
	There's various methods of identification of various contaminants, and actually that's
	in fact the protocol that we would use to identify these compounds.
	And they're not easy, excuse me, there's no mystery here, Art, on identification of these compounds.
	Get something besides a grab sample.
	It fell to the ground as a grab sample.
	Could have been contaminated.
	It could have been contaminated, yes.
	Alright, here's another angle of this that I want to try to understand.
	We have unbelievable number of reports of people with upper respiratory disease.
	So many reports, epidemic level, than we've ever had before.
	So could there be a side effect, Mike?
	In other words, some goes up, but some comes down.
	Now, something is coming down.
	Some residue or something from this is coming down, obviously.
	Would it likely have an effect on human beings breathing, you know, on their respiratory systems?
	Is that a reasonable guess?
	Absolutely.
	Speaking with Don about this very thing, my associate in Sarasota, As Don explained, any time you ingest bacteria of any sort like that that has fallen to the human body, or even animals, you'll get sick.
	And it will create, in some cases, with certain strains of bacteria, flu-like symptoms.
	And with RG, you ache, respiratory problems.
	If you recall, people who went swimming, in water that was at a high level of coliform bacteria or
	sewage bacteria or raw sewage, they get sick.
	They're absorbing it.
	And they get flu-like symptoms.
	It's the same type of thing, including fevers.
	That's just immersion in a bacterial form, and the bacteria will, in fact, find its way through the body, and it will make you sick.
	Well, I think that, in fact, if you dispense something in aerosol form at a high altitude and it gets back to the ground, and you inhale this or it's on your skin or something like that, Whatever type of illnesses that critter will create, you're
	going to get it.
	Because they're looking for food.
	I've actually experienced some of these bio-claims myself.
	Getting in the wrong place at the wrong time, and maybe putting my face down and smelling something,
	and then getting back the next day, and I've got a red rash all over my face, where my glasses
	were at, around my nose, and I could not get rid of it, even going to a doctor.
	But it was bacteria that in fact was designed, or designated, to eat a bunch of petroleum compounds.
	So it was obviously going after oil.
	And it does make you sick, too, just like a virus or something like that.
	So from personal experience, I can tell you it will make you sick.
	But again, it depends on what type of bacteria it is, and there's many, many types, as you know, and what they're designed to do in nature.
	Okay, Mike, you as an environmentalist have testified in front of Congress, so you've had some contact with our federal government.
	Can you imagine A program, a black program, in which they know the ozone is depleting at a horrendous rate, contributing to global warming, causing all this trouble, and they are desperately engaging in this massive program trying to replenish ozone, and they are considering the health risks to all of us down here on the ground to be acceptable,
	Yes, absolutely what you said, I would concur with that.
	I know I can imagine that, but I've seen in other instances where the same type of things had surfaced Tremendous amounts of money have been spent and using, I'm going to say in this case here, some very relatively crude methods of methodology for repairing this problem or abating the problem.
	But yet, the downside of it is, I've even told people before on some sites that I've been aware of, that they should evacuate everybody from a five mile radius of this place.
	That's how bad it is.
	Yes, because there are some real nasty environmental problems in this United States, especially around Superfunds, that have been there for an awful, awful long time, and they've never gotten cleaned up.
	But when the political machine kicks in, you know, hey, it's anybody's guess as to what you may be living around.
	So, I'm qualified to make that statement, Art.
	I'm sure you are.
	But at the same time, I think if there is enough a demonstration of a better technology.
	By the way, that is what I have devoted my time to, is the development of technologies.
	Since you have my resume, the first one, and you asked me to send you something else, you
	will see that a lot of that is in product technology development.
	Yes, it was like four or five pages of resume.
	I mean you have done a very great deal.
	I don't need a resume because I have worked for myself for an awful long time.
	But to be a resume, these technologies include biological or bioremediation and cleanups.
	Don and I developed a process called biointegration.
	It's on the web, by the way.
	It's a very sophisticated process of cleaning these things up on the ground and in the water.
	Not in the air, at least we haven't tried it there.
	But, no, I would concur with you 100% or imagine that would the health benefits be compromisable If they're going to be doing all this other stuff, which should be so much better for us.
	Yes.
	I think everyone would probably presume to know the answer to that question.
	Yeah, here's another question for you then, Mike.
	If this were being done in the air, as in the scenario we're talking about right now to repair the ozone, would you have to do it virtually almost everywhere, or could you do it over mostly unpopulated areas?
	In other words, How can you imagine such a program would be deployed, or have to be deployed?
	Well, the meteorological activity, and let's just say that there is some credibility to what I've said so far, as far as a postulation, then the movement of the You have a north and a south jet stream in this part of the world.
	You're going to have to take that into consideration because it continually moves in some fashion.
	Being able to predict the trajectory of that jet stream would be where you would want to in fact place some type of remedial technique.
	In other words, you want the jet stream to grab it.
	Is it a layman's way of putting it?
	Yes.
	So that you would be doing it where the jet stream is, roughly?
	Right.
	And I'm sure that somebody can be looking at some infront of me from a satellite way up there, looking at where these holes are occurring, or being able to predict where these holes could occur.
	But in other words, what I'm getting at is the spraying As it's ongoing, should be reasonably close to the jet stream at any given time.
	If that's what they're trying to do.
	Is that accurate?
	Yes.
	So in other words then we should be, I mean I see the jet stream every day drawn on the weather map on my local weather station or the weather channel or whatever.
	Right.
	So you could begin then to put together a database to see if These chemtrails have a much higher occurrence level near the jet stream.
	Would that be reasonable?
	Near the jet stream, in proximity to where you, in fact, could do the most mopping up of the contaminant that may, in fact, deplete the ozone layer.
	If you had been on some sort of committee, Mike, within the government, And they had come to you and they had said, Mike, with your environmental background, we want to present you with this.
	We think we have a chance to repair the ozone.
	It is a critical mission for all of Earth.
	We're going to try this.
	There may be some health repercussions, you know, for some on Earth, but it's an acceptable risk when we consider the alternative.
	We want you to be part of the program, and it's something we're going to need to keep secret.
	What would you have said?
	Well, I would probably want to look at what their proposal was going to be and what the entire health risk would be compared to the benefit that they're proclaiming.
	And probably challenge them quite a bit on the technology that they were going to use.
	In other words, whether it would even work.
	Exactly.
	And that's what I tried to, in fact, infer earlier, Art.
	Not sure if this is what they're trying to do, if it's even real viable.
	And there is a potential downside effect, the health effects we've been describing, that they may be aware of.
	I'm sure they are because of your show.
	But at the same time, I think there would be a better methodology for trying to abate this depletion.
	Uh, to begin with.
	All right.
	It could be looked at.
	All right.
	We'll look at that in a moment.
	Stay right there.
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	No, no Okay, we're talking about chemtrails or whatever in the
	hell they are.
	they are.
	And before we go back to Mike, I want to read to you, with Richard Hoagland's permission, what Richard sent to me on this subject.
	And I want you to listen very carefully.
	Richard says as follows, Art, my idea is that A, Remember the radar rings that we discovered and discussed a year ago, centering on the turret peak event?
	Oh, yes I do, Richard.
	He goes on, if we're right, these extend far up into the stratosphere and are the product of some kind of super-secret black energy technology, somewhat akin to HAARP, The exact purpose for this technology does not need to be introduced into the discussion without a lengthy explanation.
	It would simply confuse people.
	But, when activated, this proposed secret technology, the controversial Project Samson, we were discussing last year, has a nasty side effect.
	The, in our model, It has been ferociously destroying ozone via the same ionization process which makes its effects visible to ground-based and civilian weather radar.
	Thus, every time this black technology has been used and or tested over the past year or so, it has also opened up a whopping ozone hole directly above the installation site.
	The fevered spraying, which even Dames, which he means Ed Dames, says he cannot talk about, true, has simply been designed to plug these holes.
	Thus, one, limiting adverse and other environmental civilian casualties, and two, limiting the possibility, through those casualties, of the eventual press discovery and revelation that this super-secret technology And it's testing slash use is now in our midst.
	If I might.
	The deeply increasing respiratory infections now being reported by every major network are simply an unwanted side effect of the ozone repairing agents being used.
	The mass emergency level dispersal methods chosen and various other factors which Castle is highly qualified to speak to.
	Mike Castle, of course.
	Ah, he goes on, I wouldn't put it past the black agencies behind this to have actively fostered the wild rumors that this is, quote, some kind of domestic bio-war, end quote, being waged against the citizens of the U.S.
	by its own government.
	Because such a story, full of right-wing militia-type paranoia, would guarantee the New York Times, CNN, And so forth, wouldn't touch the spraying story with the proverbial 10-foot pole.
	Only Art Bell's Coast to Coast would be left to try and deal with it.
	So, ask Mike Kessel his thoughts on this, including some likely ozone replacement mechanisms.
	Mike, that's what Richard says.
	What do you think?
	Well, what I think is that I sent you also an attachment to the freight passage today on selenium.
	Yes.
	Selenium, in fact, that is a standard material used in xerography, and it produces a small amount of ozone right there in your office if you use a copy machine.
	That's right.
	Actually, you can smell it.
	You know, to some degree, yes, you can.
	No, ozone is really a neat chemical.
	It will completely replace dry cleaning fluids and clean your clothes with ozone.
	But it will virtually destroy rubber and things of that nature.
	And that's ozone.
	Now, selenium is something that is black.
	It is grey-black when it's exposed to air, and it's a non-metallic material, amorphous in some forms, and it would tend to stay in the atmosphere if it's dispensed there for quite a long time.
	And that was the other thing that I had talked with Richard about, was this massive transmitter at the North Pole.
	Based on what I've heard on your show, in the attempt to change weather patterns.
	It seemed to have caught on last night, actually.
	Yes.
	Right.
	Well, that would be a very good reflective material.
	And you, in fact, selenium being irradiated with UV light would produce quantities of ozone Absolutely.
	Can I run something by you?
	Yes, sir.
	This may seem stupid, but maybe it relates and maybe it doesn't.
	I have a hot tub.
	ozone hole even though mother earth does a very good job of repairing ozone naturally
	over a long period of time.
	Can I run something by you?
	Yes sir.
	This may seem stupid but maybe it relates and maybe it doesn't.
	I have a hot tub.
	I love my hot tub but when I first bought it, you know, state of the art beautiful hot
	tub, I had to constantly put chemicals in it.
	Oh man, I was dumping all kinds of chemicals and pH balancers and everything into it and testing it and it was really a pain in the butt, Mike.
	And then along came this new system that I have installed now and have had installed for about a year that's absolutely amazing.
	It's hydrogen peroxide Which goes through bubbles of hydrogen peroxide, really strong stuff, are pulled through a tube and then exposed to ultraviolet light.
	And then combined with the water molecule, with the water and in some way the water molecule is changed and cleansed and I never put chemicals in my water anymore.
	I haven't changed my water in a year and a half.
	It's so fresh you can clean your eyes out with it.
	Hydrogen peroxide and ozone.
	That's what the system I have now.
	It does.
	I don't know how it does what it does, but it definitely does it.
	What action is going on there?
	Well, you're degrading all of the... and obviously you have very little, if any, chlorine in your tub anymore?
	None.
	That is a relatively newcomer to the cleansing of water systems.
	It's amazing!
	It's killing all the bacterial form in there.
	Oh yes!
	And at the same time it has a different effect on a metallic ion that you may have and other contaminants or heavy metals.
	But it's simply just destroying.
	It's working as a The same thing you would get if you would, in fact, take it through formaldehyde.
	It, in fact, is a bactericide.
	It's a very, very powerful bactericide.
	It kills everything.
	Putting hydrogen peroxide on a cut, well, that's something we used to do a long time ago, and it would bubble up and kill all the bacteria.
	That's right, but there's some interaction when it passes through the ultraviolet light.
	There's a very bright ultraviolet light in there, and then it has some action on the water molecule itself.
	It's all Greek to me.
	Mike, I'm not a chemist, but it's a cleansing process, and I guess that's kind of what we're talking about, what might be occurring above our heads, or what they might be trying to do.
	But do you sound suspicious of the Viability of doing it the way they're doing it with apparently what they're doing it with.
	And so again, I want to appeal to the audience.
	What we really need, I think, is a jet.
	We need somebody to volunteer a Learjet to go up and get actual samples of this stuff, whatever it is.
	Clean samples.
	Bring it down and analyze it.
	I'm not sure what we do.
	Absolutely.
	that but at least it's a step in the right direction that would make a big difference,
	wouldn't it Mike?
	Absolutely, and we can make an intelligent determination once we've found out exactly
	all the components of what's there.
	Maybe the things that we've been thrown up on the wall and postulated this evening about
	this, maybe that's just a piece of it.
	I think that if we could do that, and Art if I can say, I'll comment, I've listened
	to you for a couple of years now and my hat's off to you, your guest last night.
	Wayne Green, I really loved that.
	That was really cool.
	Isn't he great?
	Wayne's great.
	He really invigorated me at four in the morning.
	But, be as it may, I really think this, Art, and I think the audience out there listening would agree, Art Bell could probably get on that radio right now and call for a private mission to Mars, and within one month you would have machinery, equipment, and funds, and probably those two policemen from Illinois would volunteer to go along.
	I'm serious.
	You never know.
	You never know, but I think it would really work that way.
	All I want now is somebody to come forward with a Learjet, Absolutely.
	Would you be willing to participate in a private mission with somebody who owns a Learjet to get this done?
	I certainly would.
	I certainly would and I think Richard Hovland and along with William Thomas, if he's listening and seeing, I'm sure he is, I think a collective effort here using our combined talents of making some good judgments on what this is I think would That would be the other job, I guess.
	Okay, if somebody has a jet, and there are lots of people who are listening to me right now who own Learjets.
	Well, yeah, we have to look around, but I think it can in fact be, there can be a strategy
	developed on how to do this.
	All we need is a jet.
	Okay, if somebody has a jet, and there are lots of people who are listening to me right
	now who own Lear jets.
	In fact, when I stopped up in Colorado on the way to the Somewhere in Time reunion,
	there was a Lear 80 sitting.
	You have an e-mail address, right?
	Oh, that's a good beginning.
	Give it by all means.
	Okay.
	It's ETIM.
	And actually, my name is spelled backwards.
	How would they connect with you or Richard or how do you think we ought to do this?
	Well I've got an email address if you want me to give it.
	You have an email address right?
	Well that's a good beginning.
	Give it by all means.
	Okay.
	It's ekim, and I've erased my name spelled backwards.
	Ekim, e-k-i-m, cancel, c-a-s-t-l-a, all lowercase, at yahoo.com.
	It's sort of a little play on words because I do so much with environmental chemistry, I thought, well, you know, E-earth chemistry, I kind of thought that was... Let's see if I've got it right.
	E-K-I-M, C-A-S-T-L-E, at yahoo.com.
	Correct.
	All right.
	So we are really, really, really asking anybody with a Learjet.
	We'd even, in fact, we'd even consider a citation.
	A citation, huh?
	That's true.
	That would get up to altitude as well, wouldn't it?
	Mike, do you think that we're doing the right thing?
	In other words, If this is some kind of government block program to do some serious remediation should we be uncovering it?
	I think if there is the downside that we suspect right now with the especially the bacterial being a side effect if you will I think that there should be because I believe that there are better ways of in fact going about this Possibly even abating the problem to begin with.
	Possibly.
	I mean, we ban chlorofluorocarbons.
	Right.
	It's not saying that we could not find a less benign, environmentally benign, or low-impacting, if it is something like ethylene bromide, find a material to replace that.
	If that's part of the puzzle here.
	You know, we're just holding up pieces of the puzzle.
	We're trying to say, do these fit?
	Well, you can't ground all the jets, and I'm also told that when we launch a shuttle, and people used to tell me this and I would laugh at them, that every time a shuttle launches, it eats up a bunch of ozone or leaves a pretty big hole, and apparently that's quite true.
	Yes.
	So, we're doing a lot of that kind of stuff.
	Shuttles and, of course, jet flights.
	My God, they're Any day, walk outside your house and you'll see them christening and crossing all over the place.
	So, if there is an environmental impact, and if it is on the ozone, you're talking about a worldwide transportation system that you just can't stop.
	So, you would do something like this, I suppose.
	Or find a way to reduce the impact by Changing the very things that are possibly positive of the ozone depletion.
	If that's what it is, but do we see any change occurring in that field right now?
	Not apparently.
	Not that I'm aware of.
	Not that I'm aware of either.
	The answer is still science, still using the same fuel.
	Well, yeah, the JP5, the fuel that is used by the Navy, I was told they use that quite extensively.
	That is a higher flash.
	uh... jet fuel uh... you know there
	maybe something there but uh... in the military aircraft gpa and also in this way you get your possibly possibly with
	all the jet fuels and um...
	but you know it could be associated more uh...
	uh... pointedly towards the uh... the military aircraft Have you talked to William Thomas yet?
	I have.
	I have not.
	You have not talked to him.
	I have not talked to him.
	Well, you sure should be talking to him.
	Listen, I would like to keep you around another half hour and let you answer a couple of questions from listeners.
	Would you do that?
	Absolutely.
	Okay, Mike.
	Hold on.
	Mike Castle is my guest.
	He's well qualified to speak upon which subjects upon which he is speaking at the moment.
	And I think you need to give serious consideration to what he's saying.
	Has at least one strong possibility to explain the otherwise inexplicable.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	♪♪ All right, we are in search of an aircraft that will go up
	to altitude, probably a Learjet, and that would be ideal because you could get to the
	location fairly quickly, but there are other aircraft that could get to altitude,
	and we're looking to actually put together a mission to get some of this stuff,
	whatever in the hell it is, at altitude and analyze it and find out what it is.
	And maybe, maybe, that will tell us What they're using it for.
	Is that likely, Mike, that if we actually get it, we analyze a clean sample, we find out exactly what it is, would that tell us what it's being used for, or would it still be kind of, pardon the pun, up in the air?
	No, I think, Art, that if we, in fact, had the analytical information, we could make a much more reasonable postulation on what it's being used for.
	There's not too many things that they would be using those types of materials for other than the things we just spoke about.
	Again, the... So you wouldn't lean toward, for example, the mass inoculation theory.
	You wouldn't see iron compounds and bacteria as any sort of mass inoculation because people have speculated heavily about that.
	No, if you're going to mass inoculate somebody, I think the aerosol technique would be Very inefficient.
	A lot more air to cover.
	If you're going to inoculate somebody, I quite frankly think the best way to do it is in a water supply.
	All right.
	The other thing that people speculate about, of course, is that it's some bio-warfare chest on the American people, and that's too dark for even me to contemplate.
	Although we have ample evidence the U.S.
	government in the past has done We do know what has happened, but on such a massive scale
	it is hard to believe they would do it. Maybe I am still not yet cynical enough. I don't know.
	Well, biowarfare and some of the things that you have had on your website that I have looked at. The revelations of
	the cadmium spray over certain cities.
	Well, that's not necessarily biowarfare, but it is chemical warfare.
	And just to see what it would do, I think.
	But cadmium, even in small trace amounts... Just to see what it would do?
	Just to see what it would do.
	But it's horrendously more toxic as a heavy metal.
	Cadmium is very, very toxic.
	And it is a known human carcinogen.
	It takes very small, mundane amounts To bring about the same effect that you would get from something like we're talking about.
	Bacteria.
	All right, let's go to the phones.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mike Kessel.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Got a question.
	Sure, where are you?
	San Diego.
	All right.
	Is not steam one of the byproducts of any combustion fire?
	Is steam a by-product of combustion, is your question?
	Yeah.
	Is it not one of the major by-products of any fossil fuel combustion?
	Yes, it is.
	Okay, so just like when you start your car on a cold, cold morning and you get steam out of your exhaust pipe, that is a fossil fuel combustion.
	It's not also the same steam coming from a jet engine.
	Not necessarily the steam, as much as it is the water vapor, which eventually does leave an exhaust.
	And with the B-52 era, they actually injected water into the fuel to get actually more combustion energy from it.
	More horsepower.
	More horsepower.
	Yeah, I think I knew that, and there have been experiments, I think, even with carburetors on cars in which there was some sort of water injection.
	Yeah.
	I've heard that somewhere.
	Okay, first time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Mike Kessel and Art Bell.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi, Mike.
	Hello.
	I'm on.
	All right.
	Okay, well, I live near Glacier Park, and all summer, and even this week, a couple days ago, I've seen tons of palm trails.
	Art, I sent you pictures.
	Anyway, maybe they, hopefully it's not the water supply, we have the largest freshwater lake west of the Mississippi, right here, and maybe we could, I mean, could we even track it maybe by the Air Force bases, there's Malmstrom Air Force Base, maybe by the shipping, the receiving of these chemicals, they must Have to buy lots of them.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	But it's, you know, that's a kind of an investigative sort of thing on the ground that would take a lot of resources.
	It seems to me Mike's got a pretty good idea, you know, about just going up to altitude and getting a sample and analyzing it.
	Well, even the towers, when they're landing and they're leaving and you see them in the air, you could probably catch that on the internet.
	You know, you can hear the towers coming in, the jets coming in here and leaving.
	I mean, they do sound different, and they definitely have a different spray on them.
	I mean, I see jet from the air.
	And this morning, the first one was, I mean, it dissipated really quick.
	This afternoon, they stay.
	They fall.
	And then the cloud cover is amazing.
	I know.
	You are describing exactly what we all know to be true, believe me.
	And what color are they?
	Well, I can tell you she's going very white.
	No, it's kind of an off-white to gray.
	Off-white to gray.
	Yeah, and it's also been described as kind of When getting to the ground, it's kind of oily.
	Yeah?
	Sort of oily, it's been described that way.
	Um, Wildcard Line, you're on air with Mike Castle.
	Hello.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Oh, am I on here?
	Yes, you are.
	Okay.
	I'm calling from Vancouver, British Columbia.
	If I'm talking too fast, please slow me down because I've got a lot to say here, but I've got questions.
	We have a lot of chemtrails happening here, and yet most people don't realize because they're so high up.
	I want to suggest Learjet really enjoyed your program with Wayne Green last night, Art Bell.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for your other side of the story, Mike Castle.
	Jimmy Patterson was mentioned on Wayne Green's program last night.
	He has a Learjet.
	He loves Vancouver.
	He's from Vancouver.
	We're concerned about Vancouver.
	Get a hold of Jimmy Patterson.
	I betcha, uh, Susan, he's in, uh, Palm Springs there, in Frank Snatchers' old house, we hear.
	Okay, well, uh, it's a good guess that somebody will volunteer their services, uh, with an aircraft that can get to altitude.
	Yeah.
	Well, I just figure he cared a lot, he cares a lot about Vancouver, and he's done a lot for our beautiful city up here, and these chemtrails, I, I'm very concerned about.
	Um, now incidentally, I have a 38-page hard copy from Will Thomas, Where he has already taken samples from a small airplane and I want to know how can anyone justify such deadly pathogens that Will Thomas states in this hard copy.
	I've got it in my hand.
	Right.
	Including the fact that the chemtrails base is in a diethylene bromide base which is on the OSHA occupational safety and hazardous list as a highly carcinogenic substance.
	Do you agree with that Mike?
	Yes.
	How can it be justified?
	I don't know.
	Oh, no, I thought you meant, uh, is it highly carcinogenic?
	Uh, yeah, that is what I meant, uh, with respect to the... Do you agree with that, Mike?
	Yes.
	How can it be justified?
	I don't know.
	Oh, no, I thought you meant, uh, is it highly carcinogenic?
	Uh, yeah, that is what I meant, uh, with respect to the question to you, Mike, and you said yes.
	Uh, how can it be justified?
	I don't know.
	I have no answer.
	Okay.
	Some of the other substances, according to Will Thomas' report, like I say, I've got the hard copy in my hand, is that there are funguses in the form of yeast, fungus, mold, spores, mycoplasma, he's mentioned mycoplasma formantans, mycoplasma chlamydia, which I think I've got every report that he's ever been on the radio and we're very concerned about these highly pathogenic substances.
	What a nasty soup!
	You bet it is and he's already claimed that they've been analyzed through the American labs are open.
	Our labs are shut down for analysis of this stuff.
	We have heard, you know, there are a lot of rumors in the wind up here in Vancouver, British
	Columbia, but the labs apparently have been open.
	He's been working through American labs and has taken samples.
	He says he couldn't get the Cessna quite as high up as he wanted to get.
	That's why we want the Learjet.
	Yes.
	Now you say a small plane just not able to go above 10,000 feet, let's just pressurize
	it using oxygen and you want to get to the core of what they're putting out.
	Yeah, well... I was not aware of the 38-page report.
	Well, yeah, he wants to get it out to medical people.
	I've got a nursing and teaching background, but I got it through another nurse.
	And he wants to get it out to doctors, mostly, and to media.
	And darn media doesn't want to touch any of it.
	I know that.
	You're right, they don't.
	And William Thomas, if you're listening, you have my private number.
	Give me a call right now.
	So, you're right ma'am, it's a nasty little mixture and I have no idea what it is but I think we better, I guess we better find out.
	I hope we're not running right into some really secret black project.
	Art?
	Yes?
	Ask her if she can hear me about what is the incidence of flu and those types of No, listen.
	Oh, in Vancouver.
	I can tell you, she's not here now, but I can tell you that I have a stack of reports, Mike.
	Hospitals are turning patients away.
	It's epidemic all over the place, even in Europe, by the way.
	epidemic proportion, and soon perhaps pandemic, it's really horrible, this flu that's out there right now, and it's leading to upper respiratory infections that are not common, and even pneumonia, in volume, that is not common to flu as we have known it in the past.
	Similar to that.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mike Castle.
	Good morning, Art.
	Morning.
	How are you today?
	Fine, where are you?
	I'm currently near his hometown in Ohio.
	I'm driving north on I-75.
	All right.
	Heading to Michigan.
	I'm a lieutenant in the Navy.
	I was stationed on an aircraft carrier as an officer of the deck.
	I've had extensive experience watching our aircraft and never noticed and don't have any memory of unique contrails coming from those, the F-18s or F-14s or anything else on the aircraft carrier.
	Putting that aside, the reason I called I was also stationed on a different ship where we had two very similar experiences with contrails.
	We were traveling in the Caribbean, and it was late at night, there was no moon out, and we were looking at the stars because they were very clear, and the binoculars, the large binoculars we have on the ship, and noticed an almost fluorescent contrail forming above the ship.
	Made a very big circle in the sky and as it settled it got bigger and bigger and it continued to have just a slight glow to it.
	We all agreed that it wasn't coming like a reflection from the stars.
	Have you heard any other stories or experiences with that type of contrail that was sort of glowing and kind of misty and smoky looking as it came down?
	Covered nearly four square nautical miles.
	Alright, that's a new one on me.
	Yeah, that would suggest that there's some phosphorous involved too.
	That happened ten nights in a row.
	We were in the same part of the ocean.
	When we were looking at the, we were trying to see a source of the contrail.
	Saw no, like an aircraft, no lights for an aircraft or anything like that.
	but as the trail appeared, you could see the front of it blocking off the stars, which
	indicated to us that there was something, a small object with no lights on up there.
	But it's in the ship's logbook, it's in the Navy archives now, but we recorded it,
	showed it to the captain, it happened late at night, but woke him up and showed him on
	the second night, because we were all so amazed at what was happening.
	Well if you could get details of that to somebody like Peter Gerson, who is an attorney and
	files freedom of information requests, I would bet that we could pry that information loose
	and find out what it was.
	Yes, sir.
	I'll email you or Bill or get that information to Mike somehow.
	All right.
	Have a good night.
	Thank you.
	And let me give Mike's email address again, because a lot of what's really going to happen, Mike, is going to happen in your email box.
	So his email address is E, all lowercase now, E-K-I-M-C-A-S-T-L-E.
	That's ekimcastle at yahoo.com.
	And so if you have access to an aircraft that would do what needs to be done, and the altitude we would need to get to would be what, about 33,000 at least?
	Yes.
	Thirty to, I'd say, 35,000 feet.
	Obviously, that's all in the area where you have to in fact file a flight plan to go through there.
	Okay.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mike Castle.
	Hello?
	Yeah, this is William Clark from Williams, Oregon.
	How are you doing, Mike?
	Hello, good evening.
	Hey, hey.
	How are you doing, Art?
	Alright.
	I'll try to make this fast.
	You guys familiar with the Blackstone Organization?
	No.
	No, it's kind of a situation that created the Red Army back before World War I and the secret weapons that Hitler used that the Americans fought so hard in the KGB and this is what you guys are all boiling down to.
	that the secret weapons was a new state of the art electromagnetic pulses.
	Well there's always secret weapons. Right, but see this secret weapon that people are seeing
	are actually spacecrafts that are leaving from the northern hemisphere.
	These are stations that they're traveling so fast, Mike, it's unreal.
	I mean, I can get some documents to you.
	Right, that's what I was going to ask.
	What documentation do you have for that?
	Well, I got some documentation from the people who developed the stabilizers for people that first broke sound barrier in a jet airplane, okay, that made the plane to work stabilized and didn't rattle apart.
	Okay.
	I mean, old technology, old people, old wars.
	My father was a war hero, three purple war hero.
	My dad's cousin put up the American flag, Mickey Moore.
	So it's kind of like old history that was passed down to intelligence through somebody that's just kind of tired of all of it.
	Now there are spacecrafts UFOs do exist.
	The American technology has it.
	They stole it from the KGB because Russia, honestly, if you dig in your history, built the secret weapon.
	And the largest one they saw was 746 feet round, high in diameter, with a laser cannon.
	And at the time of the president gave the general eight months of unlimited expenses to go down and find out what Hitler was doing at the South Pole at the time.
	They covered it up completely because they went running with their tails tucked in between their legs getting shot at by something they thought was alien.
	Well, the alien part comes when they open three tombs.
	All right, well, you're getting a little far away from us here, but feel free to provide us with any documentation you can on what you're saying, and we'll read it.
	We're open to read anything.
	Listen, Mike, I want you to hang around a little bit because I've got William Thomas' number so apparently he's awake and monitoring what we're doing and I sure would like to get his take on all of this.
	Get his take on your take.
	And maybe have a discussion of some of the chemicals in that 38.
	I was unaware myself.
	That's the first I heard about that.
	That's when I went to the websites and your website looking for some information like that and I did not find it.
	So, I think that would be...
	Whatever you had, I think it would certainly go for, let's just say, a non-clinical review of what's there.
	I look at the chemistry of things.
	If you understand the chemistry of contamination, you can understand the rest of it.
	Right.
	Well, with your background, I really, really, really think I would like to hear a discussion, perhaps between you and William Thomas.
	Maybe I can make that happen.
	Stay right where you are, and we'll see if we can make that happen.
	All right?
	Yes, sir.
	All right.
	Mike Castle is here, and maybe William Thomas will be here shortly.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	William Thomas.
	They've never met, but here, right here on the air.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I don't want that noise now.
	Actually, I don't want that noise at all.
	What I want is this.
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	What's the difference?
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	Sign on.
	Sit back.
	Now the noise.
	Alright, my guest is Mike Castle.
	Mike is a man who has testified in front of Congress on Superfund site cleanups.
	He is an industrial polymer chemist in coatings and adhesives for 22 years.
	He's got an extensive background within the U.S.
	Coast Guard Reserve, has been talking to us about what he believes may be going on with what we're calling the chemtrails.
	The man who began all this is William Thomas, and I've got William Thomas on the line.
	These gentlemen have never met each other.
	And we're going to let them meet right now on the air, so let's see if they're both there.
	Mike, are you there?
	Yes, I'm here.
	Okay, and William Thomas, right here.
	Bless your heart for listening to the radio and being there at the right time tonight, William.
	Oh, I couldn't resist when I heard this coming up.
	Great show tonight.
	Well, all right.
	The two of you, what I would like to do is just let the two of you talk and ask each other questions and get together and see if what We're planning as a good idea if what Mike is saying is a possibility at least.
	What you found may be some of the 38-page reports a lady referred to.
	So, Mike, if you have questions for William, go or the other way around.
	Well, good evening, William.
	Good evening, Mike.
	I've heard a lot about you.
	I've listened to you on the Art Show before.
	As you may have heard this evening, that's what kind of gleaned my interest in this whole subject and just trying to put a little different flavor onto it from my background in the environmental field.
	What I heard this evening from this lady up in Vancouver, I did not know their 38-page report was even available, did not know that you had in fact attempted a sampling of this, and apparently you have, and that's of great interest to me to find out what the technical specificity of that analysis says.
	I think there's something that I know my colleague Don and so he's the I've referred to him before and Don pardon me but he's the bug guy he understands the bacteria and the microbes and I think he in fact threw a couple of fungal form names in there and making something of that just by the description like trying to tell somebody how to read music over the telephone I don't think it's possible right but I think if the Comments that I've made this evening about this, you know, freeze-dried postulation about various types of halogens and ripping holes in the ozone layer and etc.
	is in fact part of it.
	I think maybe what you have in that report from samples that have been taken both retrieved from ground level and at some altitude, I think that would be a very good first step in maybe understanding more of what you have found out already.
	A few general comments.
	I'm just about to go to press with an 80-page report, actually a book.
	I'm detailing my 12 month investigation with two co-researchers into the chemtrails and that's available through my website.
	Also I'm very interested in this airplane scenario.
	I've been working very hard on this for some months with Dave Peterson out in Aspen.
	And the Chemtrail Research Foundation out there has been collecting monies and we have an aircraft specifically configured for this mission.
	The hard part is outfitting a jet with sampling equipment that protects the aircrew and gets the samples.
	There is a plane that flies this type of mission.
	It is for hire.
	The crew is trained.
	We have a technician.
	We have a lab.
	What we need is $6,000 to fly this mission and get the samples tested.
	But everything is set to go when that money comes into the research foundation in Aspen.
	All right. What do you think of the possibility, William, that there's some kind of ozone remediation underway as one
	possible scenario and that what we see falling to the ground or the chemtrails
	that we see visibly are sort of the fallout of that.
	Is that a possibility?
	I think it is.
	I've come to the conclusion that the word I used in the beginning of this investigation is apropos tonight and that word is desperation.
	This operation is desperate.
	I have written extensively on environmental issues, including ozone depletion, and I've called it the number one emergency facing this planet, at least before the super storms got cranked up.
	Especially in terms of crop damage that we're looking at, forest damage.
	Certainly this is a major crisis and Art I've just finished your book that you wrote with Whitley Stryber.
	I also have written on the North Atlantic Conveyor and we have a parallel crisis here.
	With global warming.
	People don't understand how serious this is.
	A couple of storms across France and 300 million trees are down.
	300 million trees in France.
	That's incredible.
	And so then, I take it you both agree to some, at least to some point, that these are connected, this environmental whatever it is, and what's going on with our weather.
	I would agree that Whoever is behind this program, this black operation has deemed civilian casualties on the ground as acceptable losses.
	That the operation itself overrides those concerns.
	I'll just note to both of you gentlemen that this afternoon one of my researchers came
	forward with a paper from one of the biggest national laboratories in the United States
	written in 1998 drawing on Freeman Dyson's work.
	Mike, you'll be familiar with the physicist's work.
	In 79 he called for the spraying of fine particles into the atmosphere to cool the planet and
	protect against greenhouse warming.
	In 1998 this paper was written, I have it here in front of me.
	It outlines a similar program costing $1 billion a year, a fraction the paper says of the $100
	billion it would cost to curtail petroleum emissions.
	$1 billion a year program to cool the planet by 1%.
	From my work during the Gulf War, in the Gulf, talking to atmospheric scientists in Jordan, in fact, the chief scientific advisor to the King of Jordan, I learned that a 1% drop And temperatures is a major, major contribution to climate change.
	In this case, perhaps to soften the greenhouse warming.
	So, I'm prepared to look at either the ozone or the greenhouse warming scenarios in terms of the spring.
	Particularly when we look at the U.S.
	Air Force's own document, Owning the Weather, and they talk about cloud screens.
	A question for you, Mike.
	Bacteria released into the atmosphere around 20,000 feet or so, traveling upwards, I would assume would be destroyed by ultraviolet radiation and the cold temperatures at higher altitudes.
	Well, yes, that's very plausible that that in fact could and possibly does happen.
	But then again, as long as the lipid part of the bacterial form, whatever it may be, is protected.
	Someone had mentioned some type of oily substance on these materials that could be a hygroscopic material or something like that.
	That would keep these bacterial farms at least alive for the length of time that they're in the air column.
	Let's put it that way.
	But the thing that I, in fact, explained this evening was I think there's two different things going on here.
	I think the bacteria and the iron are in fact a method of in fact trying to abate some of
	the problems of things that in fact create ozone depletion such as the ethylene dibromide
	scenario.
	It's in fact that forms if it depletes ozone react with ozone the chlorinated compounds
	of the halogen compounds and this airborne by remediation and the use of iron compounds
	in a different context could be part of the puzzle here.
	It's very, very cold up there, and if they're going to do any work at all, they have to be wet anyways.
	We have seen plenty of descriptions of an oily substance, haven't we?
	We have and that leads me to another question.
	Can't we do a mass spectrometry from the ground on these very prismatic chemtrails and get an analysis even from ground level?
	Mike?
	A mass spec?
	Yes.
	You mean of what's in the air?
	Yeah, take an instrument and do a mass spectrometry reading on one of these chemtrails because we know that they are reflecting, refracting light in prismatic rainbow colors that seem to indicate a chemical or petroleum content.
	And I'm often wondered why we couldn't get a mass spectrometry reading on some of these trails.
	On ground base?
	Yeah.
	Well, that's an idea.
	William, let me ask you this.
	Of the best that you've found, the best sample, or the most pure samples that you have found, which have, I don't know, come from the side of buildings, or I think you did get one at a lower altitude actually from the air, what's in it?
	What have you found?
	Let's be very careful to make a very strong distinction here.
	The good samples that I've gotten with my colleague Herminia Cassani, a very well-trained health researcher and reporter, have been from low-level drops of a gel-like, possibly polymer, I think I heard him talk about that.
	Okay, this is low-level.
	This is from C-130 type turboprop aircraft.
	We have two very good samples a year apart, half of the country apart, and we have found
	a variety of toxic molds and pseudomonas florescens and a marker from a distant coral reef out
	in the ocean somewhere that would enable these samples to be passed under, I presume, a black
	light and identified very, very quickly.
	Those samples matched in their main pathogenic components, and I stress that these were highly
	pathogenic to the point where the lab that did the testing on both samples asked Ermenia
	Cassani where she had gotten this biohazard material and was very concerned because they
	could not find research data on some of it.
	It was restricted information.
	We have a cocktail of pathogens causing upper respiratory disease dropped at very low level and we can see absolutely nothing to do with environmental remediation or weather control from these low-level drops that have been reported all over the United States and I myself witnessed one of these C-130s Mike, what would those chemicals mean to you?
	Well, I was going to ask you a question first, William.
	Do you have any indication that these were genetically mutated strains of anything?
	Yes.
	Because that takes it into a totally different realm.
	Absolutely.
	We need molecular level analysis of these samples.
	However, we did find a restrictor enzyme in the central United States sample that is used
	by research labs to restrict or cut DNA to transfer it from one organism to another.
	Okay, well that's where it gets very, very scary because of the genetically mutated strains
	of anything, in the case of bacteria.
	I mean, they can genetically mutate bacteria to melt ice.
	They've actually done that.
	Well, Pseudomonas fluorescens, of course, has been used by the military to eat oil spills and munitions.
	And you mentioned a rash and a bacteria found on your own skin, and I wondered if it was a Pseudomonas arginosa or fluorescens, both of which Yes, but again it was all naturally occurring material.
	That's right.
	And we've done this with many sites, everything from the mom and pop gas station that used to be there and they got a plume of old leaded gasoline and we cleaned these up in very short order to A relatively large site that had 8 inches of gasoline when we walked up to it.
	In 18 months, we in fact analyzed to less than 5 parts per billion of benzene in the water table.
	So, I mean, it's a very efficient technology using the bacteriophore.
	But I do know that Don is listening right now.
	And he's the one that can really keep track with your discussion on the bacterial form.
	Because his entire career is, in fact, in the industrial sense, being an industrial microbiologist.
	Well, let's be a bit more specific.
	I'm going through my own report here, and I'm listing some of the things that have been found in samples taken in Oakville, Washington.
	Again, the famous case, low-level spraying gel-like material.
	Again, we have found Pseudomonas arginosa, Pseudomonas florescens, naturally occurring, certainly.
	Usually not in the concentrations we're finding them though.
	We're finding Streptomyces predominant in our samples.
	Um, Enterobacter, a serratia marcescens in one case.
	This has been used in biowarfare experimentation on the American public and was voluntarily retired by the U.S.
	military some years ago because of its toxicity.
	It has been found in our sample in Idaho within the last year and a half.
	Human white blood cells were found by a state lab in Washington State.
	and again a variety of other toxic molds all capable of producing heart disease, meningitis, upper respiratory, and
	gastrointestinal distress.
	And of course we're well aware that we are now at epidemic levels in at least 15 states according to the CDC.
	Not to be flippant with you, William, but did this have eye of newt in it also?
	Have what?
	Eye of newt?
	Wouldn't be surprised.
	Eye of newt?
	It sounded like it had everything else in it.
	Remember, these samples were taken over a span of a couple of years across the country.
	I do take the point that these samples Sample material have been changed over time, and I think it's reflected in the variety of reactions and ailments we are seeing on the ground.
	Again, I must emphasize, we do not have good samples from the so-called chemtrails sprayed at higher altitude.
	And that's really what we want to go after.
	We really do.
	Hold on a moment, we'll be right back.
	From the high desert, Where, yes, we see them, too.
	In fact, I've taken photographs that I've got up on the website, and I've got a million photographs from all of you out there.
	We've got two men who know about all of this, what there is to be known right now.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	All right.
	Mike Kessel, an environmentalist who's testified in front of Congress, A polymer chemist for 22 years and William Thomas are both here on the subject of contrails.
	They have never spoken before.
	I take it that both of you gentlemen agree that what's going on right now is not normal and is not natural and is a relatively new phenomenon.
	Is all of that true?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Because a lot of people, to be honest with you, say, oh, come on.
	Contrails, we've always had contrails.
	Some weather conditions cause them to linger.
	This is militia-like right-wing paranoia.
	It's just buck.
	And the major networks and the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Sun-Times, they won't touch it with a 10-foot pole, as Richard said.
	I guess it's important that the public understand if you, too, really feel that it's not normal, and it's a new phenomena, and it is likely causing a lot of ill effects here on the ground, whatever else it's doing, if you all agree on that, then it's a serious, serious issue.
	Yes, it is.
	I spoke with Don, my colleague.
	As a matter of fact, I got him in the other ear.
	He's been listening, and hopefully he was.
	His immediate take on this is this is definitely a clinical thing and it's not really a chemtrail.
	It's a biohaz trail.
	These particular bacterial forms and sporum and so on and so forth shouldn't even be together.
	They can't really exist together, but they do.
	So not natural?
	No, very, very unnatural.
	especially with the potential that there is in fact some mutated strains and some of the other things, the markers
	that you spoke of William, you know, that's that's just a big big fuzzy ball. Can you
	explain to the average person William what that marker means?
	It means that you don't have to do elaborate blood tests or even more sophisticated analysis.
	You could pass your blood sample under a black light and it would literally glow.
	And if you knew what you were looking for, if you knew this marker had been placed in a biohazard sample, you would know that that person has that organism or organisms in their body from a very simple, very fast test.
	I think this was very telling that we have found that marker, and I might add that iron oxide is another marker that would show up in blood tests very easily and very readily.
	Again, I must emphasize, these are from, so far, from low-level sprays, and in a few instances, yes, from the so-called cobweb material.
	We have found biologicals in the cobweb material, obviously sprayed from higher altitudes.
	Primarily, though, we're looking at the deliberate low-level drop of cocktails of pathogens.
	I'm very concerned now at the epidemic rate in the United States, monitoring the CDC's website and their official pronouncements.
	Well, if we look closely, and again I'm looking at my own report here, just about to go to press, the CDC is now reporting, and Mike, that the ...illnesses across the United States.
	Have been tested by the World Health Organization and the National Respiratory and Enteric Virus Surveillance System Laboratories for influenza.
	And in the hardest hit areas, less than 1 in 4 patients are testing positive for influenza.
	And in most other areas, it's 2 to 15% with a national average of just 10%.
	This is not, repeat, not the flu.
	At least not the flu as we've known it.
	Holy smokes.
	Um, what would, uh, what would justify... I can see two different things going here.
	The low-level flights you're talking about, with the report that you're talking about, William, and then the high-level, at-altitude flights seem to be something else entirely.
	Are we talking about different things, or are these the same?
	I believe they're different.
	And I believe that at least the chemtrail phenomena, and I just add quickly, photographs don't lie.
	My presentation, Chemtrails Over America, has 45 minutes of videotape and slides.
	Oh, I bet.
	And no one has questioned that material.
	There's no militia or maliciousness involved with those pictures.
	They go right Right to your gut.
	All right, for the both of you, if we can get up to altitude and get very pristine samples of this, what will we know?
	Or will we know?
	Well, I think we have a much greater idea based on the chemistry of the components that we're able to retrieve and in fact postulate What is exactly in those chemtrails?
	And try to, again, digress and find out if there is a difference in what you already know, William.
	And then, as Art said, the low-level flights seem to be something totally different.
	Well, in other words, we know the U.S.
	government has indulged biowarfare experiments.
	on its own people. So you can imagine that's being done and that might be at a low level or
	and then at a high level something altogether different may be going on. But we know down here
	on the ground as it said in the song there's a lot of confusion and right now there is respiratory
	illness at epidemic proportions in many parts of the country and you just said William not the flu.
	You sure about that?
	Well, the CDC is certain about it.
	I'm quoting their official statements.
	And I would call this a pandemic, different from an epidemic in that a pandemic has unidentifiable virus or microorganisms.
	The CDC itself is saying we don't know what this is that we have not identified as flu.
	And I'm very concerned.
	They also said that two major components of the illness now sweeping the United States, and I will say my area right here in Canada, one component of course is pneumonia and the other for the first time, this again from the CDC, is cardiac arrest.
	We are seeing statistically significant deaths now in connection with this pandemic.
	I do not know if it's related to the chemtrail sprain.
	I do know that heavy sprain in places like Houston and Phoenix seem to have exacerbated illness on the ground.
	Sinus trouble as well?
	Well, that's putting it mildly.
	Yes, sinus trouble.
	Extreme allergic reactions and asthma attacks.
	Keith Rowland, my webmaster during the break, and he had an interesting offering.
	He said, you know, it was interesting New Year's Eve when they were worried about Y2K.
	They showed a map of all the aircraft in the air on New Year's Eve.
	And of course, it was very light traffic.
	And above the U.S., there were 2,200 jet aircraft.
	Um, in transit.
	Uh, during that light time.
	So, we fly an awful lot of flights.
	Uh, I mean, we really fly a lot of flights in this country and worldwide.
	Five million movements a year over the U.S.
	are... Five million?
	Five million, and I've double-checked the figure.
	In fact, I wrote one of the first articles on how contrails have affected the climate and weather for Eco Decision Magazine back in 1992.
	So I'm up to speed on normal contrails and how they affect the climate, and again... There's been quite a controversy about that, actually.
	Well, I think the science is in.
	Normal jet trails do definitely increase cloud cover and affect the weather over heavily traveled air routes over the North Atlantic and other locations.
	Again, the chemtrail phenomena is quite different and separate from the contrail phenomena and appears Mike, I would agree to be an emergency response to some crisis.
	Some people have speculated biological attack and inoculation.
	I don't buy that.
	My report looks at that very thoroughly.
	It appears to be some kind of ecological crisis that is possibly addressed by this.
	Here's something for you, Mike.
	The sprain you mentioned, Would be aligned if it was weather modification along the jet stream.
	And I would simply note that jet stream is, as far as I know, above 30,000 feet where airliners try to duck it or take advantage of it.
	That's right.
	The spray planes we're seeing are operating below 30,000 feet for the most part.
	Seem to be operating around 22,000 feet according to pilots.
	I would suggest this to you, that if you want to look for weather modification, and chemtrails, check out where stratospheric folding is
	taking place and note aircraft spray activity along those lines.
	Now I'm in touch with a high-ranking military officer who's talking about this.
	For the average folks here, stratospheric folding, please.
	Yes, stratosphere or upper atmosphere is not in itself a weather-causing arena.
	Our weather is formed in the troposphere, closer to the ground.
	when the stratospheric winds fold or dip down into the troposphere, weather changes.
	You can think of it as ocean waves influencing the depth below in ways that change in depth
	and altitude.
	This atmospheric folding is where fronts and other weather events can take place.
	It's a very active regime where you get a mixing again from the stratosphere folding
	down into the troposphere.
	Art, you'd be interested to note in your book and in weather reports, we're seeing
	Microbursts and mini-tornadoes appearing seemingly out of nowhere, flattening trailer parks and towns across the United States.
	What's happening?
	It appears that the stratospheric folding is reaching ground level for brief periods.
	And again, if you want to mess with the weather, and I think it's a really risky thing to do since the weather is already being messed with by global warming, you would insert your aircraft and your chemicals along lines of atmospheric or stratospheric folding.
	Well, Art and William, the thing you said last night and you repeated a couple of times
	this evening about the loss of 300 or 350 million trees.
	As a matter of fact, last night you said 350 million because I repeated it to my wife and
	she said, how many?
	I said 350 million trees.
	Well, I've got to...
	No, actually it's 300.
	I've got the...
	300 million trees.
	Here it is.
	Paris AFP reporting 300 million trees downed in French storms.
	A catastrophe in quotes.
	It says two storms, which devastated France last week, destroyed about 300 million trees
	according to the National Forestry Office.
	It is a catastrophe without precedent.
	And that's a quote from the ONF's technical director there.
	Well, the point I'm going to make, Art, was that 300 million trees...
	How can you possibly constitute that into loss of an organism that does one thing to live and that absorbs CO2 and gives off oxygen?
	Well, a lot of people would say, and maybe both of you could comment on this, a lot of people suggest that the ozone loss cannot possibly have an effect on global warming or on our weather.
	I've heard that argument.
	No I disagree because you in fact looking at it from one or two ways you in fact are going to get more ultraviolet energy into the atmosphere and there's going to be a lot more reaction of the atmosphere in a number of different ways and that in fact could in fact create a Well, if our scientists know this is that catastrophic, then you can imagine there would be some sort of black program, and probably black because they wouldn't want to tell us about it, to remediate this in some way, to try and do something.
	Should this Both of you, should this be public information?
	Should we all know about this, or is it proper they're doing it in the way they're doing it?
	Well, we're all crew members of Spaceship Earth.
	We're on an oasis planet, surrounded by the cold, irradiated vacuum of deep space, and I think if we have a crisis of this level, we all must be apprised of it.
	And if the fallout is literally making people sick, we have every right to be apprised of it.
	And I'll simply note that the catastrophe of the ozone loss is heightened because you will have, in the loss of heat-trapping ozone, a cooling, a rapid cooling of the stratosphere.
	And you talk about that in your book, Art, and if you have a heating of the lower atmosphere and a cooling Of the upper atmosphere, you are in for some very violent weather.
	Precisely.
	All right.
	Well, listen, I guess there's going to be an attempt.
	Now, if Mike should be lucky enough to come up with a jet aircraft that could perform this mission with somebody who would volunteer it.
	We do have listeners with those kinds of aircraft and others that can get up to that altitude.
	Would the two of you coordinate in some way?
	Would you be willing to?
	Yes.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And I would take a very high quality video camera.
	I am a videographer.
	And we would attempt to get video of the spray aircraft and settle that question once and for all.
	One thing, William, that Don on the other line here, in my other ear, I'm not sure of the instrument's size, but that would be something to look at for our mission.
	correct his assertion that there's a potential that you would get too much interference from
	small going up through the sky. Could it possibly be aircraft knowledge?
	I'm not sure of the instrument's size, but that would be something to look at for our
	mission. And again, I'll note that if we did get a donated Learjet, the trick is mounting
	air sampling equipment on the aircraft, which involves FAA red tape, or inside the aircraft,
	which could involve exposure of the crew.
	Well, that's true, and Richard Hogan, by the way, can in fact participate and probably give us a lot of answers in that area, because that's the question I had, and he said, well, no, here's what I've done already.
	I've done it before, but it is with SO2.
	Okay.
	So I think there's a lot of expertise in just that one area.
	Because that was one of my concerns, you know, how do you put anything outside of an aircraft that's moving along at 560 knots?
	Right.
	Right.
	You might have to put it inside the aircraft.
	And I certainly hope that people get in touch with you through your email and in touch with me through my website and we can coordinate this response.
	I hope so and I think it's going to be full too.
	And what is your, William, what is your Good question.
	What is your email?
	My email is wilco, W-I-L-C-O, at islandnet.com.
	Islandnet.com.
	My website is islandnet.com.
	I have an excerpt from my report and information on how to obtain that report on my website.
	Okay, good.
	William, quick question for you.
	Are we now experiencing more or fewer comm trails, chem trails, whatever they are?
	A good question.
	What I am seeing and my researchers are seeing and a lot of Americans are seeing is we are
	right back to where we were last year in terms of intensified spraying.
	We seem to have repeated a pattern of more frequent and heavy spraying starting around
	November through December and on into springtime with a cut back around June and then cranking
	up through the summer months so that in effect we have abnormally high numbers of upper respiratory
	hospital admissions throughout the year now.
	But isn't it interesting that the increased spraying takes place during the height of
	flu season so that if you wanted to mask or attempt to mask the detrimental health effects
	of the chemtrails spraying, what better time?
	Indeed.
	Well, obviously, the two of you need to get together.
	Yeah, I'd like to offer one other thing.
	We call them contrails, we call them chemtrails, but after some of the things that William has said tonight, Don and I kind of said maybe we should call these biohaz trails.
	I'm just wondering if somebody's not doing that.
	We're just shortening it to biotrails.
	We need to sample them first, gentlemen.
	They certainly appear chemical because of the prismatic effect that we're seeing.
	I really would like to get up there with you, Mike, and Stick a probe in these things and just get an analysis.
	Alright, let's see if we can arrange that.
	Alright, I want to thank you both for being here.
	Mike, thank you for being here.
	Of course, William, thank you for staying up late and listening.
	A pleasure and thank you Mike for your contribution tonight.
	Let's see if we can use a little bit of good old innovation here and maybe find out a little
	bit more about what these things could or could not be.
	I think I've got a lot to offer and you do too and there's probably a lot of other people
	In fact, we'll find out the answer.
	If we can put a person on the moon, we can find out what's in these chemtrails.
	You're damn right.
	That's right.
	All right, so we're on it.
	Thank you, gentlemen.
	Okay, good night.
	Good night all.
	I'm going to be home more often tonight.
	But if I'm to take your time, Stay on the platform on the right.
	I hear the hurricanes a-blowing.
	AMA for the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello!
	Hi, is this Art Bell?
	It is.
	Hey, Art, how's it going tonight?
	I'm fine, where are you?
	I'm over here in Pasco, Washington.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I've been listening to your show for a couple of months.
	I've been trying to call and call and call and nothing's went through.
	Well, here you are.
	I'm finally on.
	Okay, well, a while back, back in the I was in the mid-80s. Me and my nephew were over in Yakima,
	Washington. It was probably about three...
	You've got your radio on, don't you?
	Yeah, hang on.
	It's absolutely impossible to have your radio on, folks. It will make you sound all disconnected
	and like you don't know what you're talking about because it's confusing. Anyway, you
	were in Washington.
	Yeah, and we were walking up the freeway. It was probably about three or four o'clock
	in the morning, and we seen some kind of object.
	This is honest truth, this is not made up or nothing.
	This object comes up in the back of these hills, at these two blue circles on each end, and a blue or whitish line through the middle.
	So what do you think you saw?
	And you went, oh my!
	it backed up, went forward, went back again, and just like took off.
	So what do you think you saw?
	I do not know.
	But the weirdest thing was is that I was watching that series on sightings and they showed the
	same thing on sightings.
	And you went, oh my, that's what I saw.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, believe me, when I tell you I know the feeling.
	In the first hour tonight, we interviewed two police officers.
	And if you go back and you compare the description I gave you of what my wife and I saw years ago now, and what those police officers said they saw, it's identical in every way.
	So whatever it is, it's real.
	It's up there.
	Don't you wonder?
	Ours?
	Theirs?
	What difference... You know, either way, it's a gigantic story.
	I mean, if we have technology that allows us to defy gravity and go floating about the planet without the use of fossil fuel, propulsion, or whatever, then that's a gigantic story, isn't it?
	So if it's ours, it's a big story.
	If it's theirs, it's an even bigger story.
	Either way, I want to know, don't you?
	On the international line, you are on the air.
	Hi.
	Going once.
	Is I on tonight?
	There you are.
	Turn your radio off.
	Okay.
	Good.
	Turn it right off.
	Yes, turn it off.
	Hold on.
	I'm holding.
	Well, I got to go if you're not going to turn.
	No, you don't.
	I got you, Art.
	All right, now you do.
	I'm sorry about that.
	Okay, where are you?
	I'm calling from Ontario.
	Ontario, all right.
	Yes, I was listening to your program tonight, and it's very, very interesting, and I just wanted to say that it's about time we got some Things about the comm trails in Ontario.
	Well, who else is going to do it?
	No other media right now is doing it.
	Except your friend Rob McConnell.
	Oh, really?
	Is Rob doing that?
	Are you going to be on his show?
	Oh, I don't know.
	Have you heard that?
	Well, he said he's going to try to get a hold of you and try to be on your show.
	Try to be on my show?
	He said he's going to try to get you on his show.
	Well, at the moment, other than what I've got planned, and I appreciate the invitation, I am not doing interviews.
	There will be a short rash of them coming up in connection with the book.
	The coming global super storm.
	It's a hell of a book.
	It really is a hell of a book.
	And so we are going to do interviews in connection with the book.
	But otherwise, I am not doing interviews.
	And have been refusing them for quite some months now.
	It has a lot to do with what's going on in my life and other things, but I'm not doing interviews.
	So I would certainly do, Rob, if I were in a mode of doing interviews, but at the moment we literally have been refusing all of them.
	All of them.
	First time caller line, you are on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Is this Art?
	Yes.
	Am I on?
	What do you think?
	Huh?
	Hello?
	The answer is yes, you're on the air.
	Okay.
	You know, on this global warming... Yes?
	You know, when you burn... Sir, sir, sir!
	Turn your radio off.
	Okay.
	I'll wait.
	No, I'll wait.
	It's on.
	Okay, when you burn gasoline, let's say you burn one gallon of gasoline, you're going to produce hundreds of gallons of carbon dioxide and other gases.
	No doubt.
	In other words, this liquid gasoline or oil that we get from the ground, we are actually pumping it into the atmosphere and enlarging the atmosphere.
	That's right.
	We're taking it out of the ground and putting it in the air.
	Yeah, and we are enlarging the atmosphere.
	I'm not sure about enlarging the atmosphere.
	I think we're adding contaminants to the atmosphere.
	You're making it denser?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Whether you're making it denser or larger, the effect is we are going to drop more of the sun's rays, you know?
	Yes.
	And in doing so, that is global warming, isn't it?
	You're dropping more heat.
	That is one way of describing global warming, yes.
	More heat from the sun, that's warming the Earth.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Now, to solve this problem, we have to do the opposite, you know?
	We have to plant trees and shrink the atmosphere by turning this... Well, that sounds like a really good idea, and you're right.
	But, sir, we now have a climate change That's in progress that's doing things like knocking down 300 million trees at a time.
	Now that begins to be a kind of a self-perpetuating prophecy that accelerates and And even the top British meteorological person and the top U.S.
	person have both said whatever it's due to, and they think the hand of man, but whatever it's due to, it's now accelerating.
	Climate change is rapidly accelerating.
	Well, if we cannot plant the trees in time, what we should do is cut the The turning of gasoline into CO2, you know?
	Well, lots of luck there.
	I mean, you know what you're up against there, I'm sure.
	I don't think you're going to stop the use of gasoline and oil.
	Would you all agree with me that the likelihood of that is rather slim?
	And if you think it's bad here, try going to, oh, for example, Bangkok or Tokyo.
	Some of the countries that are developing certainly now and their air is so bad that the policemen who do traffic duty about 40% or better have active lung disease from just standing in the street.
	You know the old expression, so thick you could cut it with a knife.
	Some days in Las Vegas it is that way, a valley.
	Los Angeles.
	You've seen it.
	Yourself, I'm sure.
	Are we going to stop using these engines that require petroleum?
	I don't think so.
	What's for the Rockies?
	You're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	How's it going?
	It's Robert from North Hollywood.
	Yes, sir.
	Hi.
	I have my radio turned down.
	Notice that?
	Excellent.
	I've talked to you before.
	Anyway, the guy had a pretty good comment about the cars.
	I assume all of us seem to know that about the cars and the pollutants.
	Sure.
	But back to your William Thomas and Mike castles on earlier here.
	Yes.
	The thing I've came up with over the years is that American Native Indians, if you remember, they said that what created life is now taking it away.
	about the space microbes and when we didn't have an atmosphere that started life and now
	the atmosphere is thinning we don't have that much of an atmosphere in the plant life that
	the microbes are attaching themselves to things such as our food.
	That's probably why we are having our food irradiated as you noticed.
	And a lot of us living creatures such as humans and animals, our bodies are becoming so toxic
	that our byproducts, you know the feces and stuff is seriously toxic.
	We've had all these soaps, antibiological soaps, and you know, Lever 2000, all these
	Toxic poop.
	Exactly.
	I mean, our bodies are becoming a, you know, a toxic environment, just like the planet is, and it's very scary.
	Well, how could our bodies not be a direct reflection and product of the state of the planet?
	How could they not?
	Exactly.
	Yeah, it's very scary and I hope people wake up and maybe what's going on with the spraying here, they're trying different experiments because I notice it's different each time.
	If you've seen Strange Universe, that show, there's video footage of this green goo all over the place.
	Oh, I saw that, yes.
	That was amazing.
	That woke me up when I saw that.
	Well, whatever it is, I would agree with the two gentlemen I had on earlier that it's a crisis response of some kind.
	I mean, we can speculate about what it is, bio-warfare, inoculation, an attempt to remediate what's going on with the ionosphere.
	I don't know.
	I have no idea what it is, but there is some sort of crisis response going on right now.
	That's what these chemtrails or whatever it is you want to call them, that's at least
	in part what they are.
	Exactly.
	Remember when Ronald Reagan, most people think UFOs, which it could be, and he said weapons
	if we're threatened by something from space coming down and the whole world was affected?
	I remember.
	Oh, yes.
	Maybe that had something to do with the microbes or something.
	quick about the weather. I have a roommate here where I live and I wake up...
	up at the same time every morning, like 3 or 4 in the morning, it's cold. And one time
	I wake up and my roommate is yelling. I go, what's wrong with you? He goes, it's freezing
	cold. I go, yeah, I noticed that. I wake up at 3 in the morning and it's freezing cold
	all of a sudden and then 15 minutes later it's warm again.
	I go, what the hell? Are we losing our minds? I went outside and it was cold and
	then it changed, like 30 degrees There's like this hot and cold pockets everywhere.
	Yeah, I hear that.
	Alright, listen, I gotta run.
	Okay.
	Alright, thank you and take care.
	I don't want your lonely mansion with a deer in every room.
	All I want's the love you promised beneath the hallowed moon.
	AMA 40.

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