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Jan. 6, 2000 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Mike Castle, William Thomas - Viewpoints on Chemtrails

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Network.
		Last hour you heard a rather historic broadcast.
		Two police officers from Illinois who both saw a triangular object silently pass directly above them.
		They're patrol cars.
		Officers who didn't know each other.
		Patrol departments saw this in Illinois at 4 o'clock yesterday morning, a little after four.
		If you missed it, we will replay that hour as the first replay hour at 3 a.m. Pacific time, so you can catch it then.
		My advice, catch it.
		Coming up in a moment is Mike Castle.
		Now, Mike Castle is going to give you a different point of view on contrails, or as they have been come to known, become known somewhat less than affectionately, chemtrails.
		He's got a different point of view and a different thought about them, and he is well qualified to have that thought.
		I'll tell you more about that in a moment.
		Well, it was now many, many months ago when William Thomas first came to us and said, Art, have you noticed that the contrails that airplanes are leaving don't seem normal?
		They seem to linger and last as contrails should not.
		They seem to form into a kind of a general mist that turns into kind of a misty cloud bank that lingers.
		And William has done some testing, of course, of samples that have managed to make it to the ground and has noted some of the contents of these samples.
		Many of you out there believe that you are being inoculated given the flu.
		You should see the stories I've got.
		Just with regard to the flu alone, it is now epidemic on the East Coast.
		It is, let me see, here's something from Alabama from the Mobile Register.
		It says flu reaches epidemic levels in area.
		Hospitals are turning people away.
		Here's one from Carolyn, again in Mobile, Alabama.
		Note the 2,560 flu-like cases this year, compared to 426 for the same period last year, a six times increase.
		They covered our skies with chondrails in November and December.
		I work in a hospital, and I have never, and she underlines that, ever seen anything like this.
		I have not been sick because I keep my immune system up, but everyone else in my family has been sick at least once.
		And so I'm wondering what Mr. Kessel has to say about possible epidemic cause.
		I'm not sure he's going to have anything to say.
		It strikes me, certainly we are having a terrible, terrible flu epidemic in many parts of the country right now.
		Europe also has epidemic levels.
		Are the choils producing this illness, this upper respiratory illness that people are getting?
		Or what are they?
		What are these chemtrails, these contrails?
		Well, even William Thomas will tell you he doesn't know for sure.
		He knows they're certainly not the old-fashioned choils that we all knew to love and dismiss.
		You know, pretty little lines in the sky that are fluffy and white and go away pretty quickly, normally.
		Something's going on.
		And Mike Castle is about to join us.
		Mike is well qualified to speak on the subject.
		He is president of a Midwestern environmental consulting and engineering firm and has been so since the late 1980s.
		Numerous and varying environmental projects, including investigation, surveillance, remediation of soils and groundwaters contaminated with toxic chemicals, including bioremediation, Mike has given testimony to the U.S. Congress by invitation on Superfund site cleanups in the past two and one-half years.
		An industrial polymer chemist in coatings and adhesives for 22 years now and a consulting chemist with his own firm for the past 11 years.
		He is an author and inventor of numerous U.S. patents involving polymer technologies in adhesives.
		He attended college in the late 1960s and served in the U.S. Coast Guard Reserve.
		He holds a national credential as a certified environmental risk auditor slash assessor.
		He resides in Dayton, Ohio, and in fact is a native of Ohio.
		I guess grew up in Ohio.
		Mike, welcome to the program.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Well, when did you first hear about this whole contrail slash chemtrail controversy?
		Was it on my program?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was on your program with William Thomas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With William Thomas.
		All right.
		You have what may be a little bit of a different, I mean, there's all kinds, theories abound.
		The only thing we know, we seem to know for sure, is that contrails aren't what they used to be.
		Theories about what they are abound, from inoculations to biowarfare tests to, you name it, people are talking about it.
		But you've got kind of a different take on what it might be, don't you?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's something of a different flavor.
		Yeah, it's two plus two art, and hopefully we don't come up with five.
		But he uses some of the expertise from the very beginning and listening to William Thomas and what he was saying about some of the components that he found on the retrieved samples.
		That's what piqued my interest.
		And all those two, the bacterial side of it.
		And he did, in fact, make some, he did release some information when I would listen to him about the type of bacterial strain it was, and then secondly, iron compounds.
		That's what really struck my interest because that's a very odd combination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you think of, before we move into the great details of this, do you agree that contrails are not what they once were, or at least many of them are different than they ever have been?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		You do?
		I have actually seen one of these contrails myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so have I. And not the everyday little puffy white contrail that disappears, but a different version.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe what you saw.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		On a relatively clear day, and you'll have to remember, I think I mentioned to you on the phone I'm a pilot.
		So you kind of watch the way things fly around.
		And I noticed in a clear blue sky, about like today, just a beautiful turquoise blue, this August.
		And it was a Y, the letter Y, backwards.
		So it was almost an X, but it was a Y backwards.
		Now, here's one aircraft going, let's just say I'm headed east, and one aircraft must have been going at about 220 heading, and the other one must have been flying about a 160 heading.
		And just in that one patch of sky, there is this gigantic wide plume.
		Can't tell you about or describe the detail about how wide it was.
		But of course, contrails are made, let's say it's the generic variety, when they hit certain air inversions, certain temperatures in the sky, and form ice crystals behind the wings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		And from the plume.
		Well, this wasn't one of those because there was just one spot in the sky that had two jet aircraft at a high altitude just mysteriously come apart or come together at this one point.
		Well, that was not a contrail.
		That was the other thing.
		It was a chemtrail.
		Yeah, there was no question.
		And some very, very severe weather followed that just east of where I seen that.
		As I spoke to Richard Hogan about it, he, in fact, pointed that out.
		No, that there was some really bad stuff that happened in northwestern Ohio and then along the Great Lakes.
		Just after that entire sequence, of course, I only seen one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's all it really takes.
		You've seen one that was obviously not a real contrail, but some sort of chemtrail, for lack of a better phrase now.
		You've done an awful lot of environmental work for, I guess, all your life, or your adult life?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That's my profession.
		We do everything but things that glow or the occult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or the occult.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Those are two we don't get into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What is in these chemtrails that you recall William Thomas suggesting was in them?
		Let's talk about that first, the various things that he has so far found.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Again, the recognition of the two that I, in fact, heard him talk about, which got me to thinking, was in fact the iron compounds and the bacterial strains.
		Again, those are the two that are probably many things that he could have retrieved from samples that did hit the ground and however he came about in getting those, the assessment that it was, the analytical assessment that was made.
		Those are the two things right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, iron compounds and bacteria.
		That's kind of an odd combination.
		I mean, it's a metal, some sort of metal, and living bacteria.
		Living bacteria.
		Now, what did that set off in your mind?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, those are two compounds that are normally associated with certain types of environmental cleanups of chlorinated or halogenated compounds in groundwater and soils.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, associated with cleanups?
unidentified		Yes.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean, I remember this story, Mike, about oil spills, and I think they developed some sort of bacteria or a little bug, or I don't know what it was, or something that actually would eat the oil.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that the kind of bacteria you're talking about?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about the same live naturally current bacteria.
		Yeah, they're various strains, but that's the same thing, and we've used those quite extensively in many, many cleanups, in cleaning up just petroleum compounds, gasoline, benzene.
		But there are some that are selective in cleaning up chlorinated compounds or halogens, including PCBs, which are chlorinated compounds, and they are toxic.
		And iron compounds.
		There's something that my associate, I'll just give you his first name, it's Don in Farrisota.
		He has his own company, and he's an industrial microbiologist.
		And I kid Don because I say to people, I swear this guy talks to these things because he really understands bacteria.
		You get a skill that I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds almost paranormal to me.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		You'd like, Don.
		Anyways, the point is, he mentioned something about another chemical series that academia uses quite a bit.
		It's called Fenton's Reagent.
		Just use that as a phrase for a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even though I don't know what it is.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		No, I'll just give you a fast forward.
		It is comprised of ferric sulfate, which is in fact iron sulfate, and peroxide.
		And when that comes in contact with a halogen or a chlorinated compound or a chlorinated hydrocarbon, it cleaves the chlorine off from the hydrocarbon And tends to, in fact, remediate the site.
		The only problem is it works in the laboratory, but it doesn't really work out in the field.
		I guess it was like what Wayne was saying last evening about the cold fusion.
		You know, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, something that you can make work in the lab, and it cleans up what in the lab?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		It will clean up the contaminant in a bench study.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what kind of contaminant?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		So this plant's reagent can be used.
		There have been many studies where they bury iron filings in the ground, and groundwaters are, in fact, trittled through there.
		And it does the same thing with the chlorine and the halogen.
		It actually complexes and tends to, I'll just use the word for this evening, it tends to neutralize chlorine even though it's not what it's doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It filters it.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like complexes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have wells out here where I live, and you go down 160 feet and the water somehow going through so much dirt and rock and sand and whatever, all it goes through, that cleans the water.
		Yes.
		Yeah, and that's how we're able to have our waste disposal here just below ground level because it doesn't matter.
		By the time it gets down 160 feet, it's like any other water.
		Same idea, roughly?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Same idea.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I'm starting to get the picture here, so...
		You're thinking that this might be...
		Yes.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I believe that there is something in what manner has put in.
		Possibly Peter Davenport would say it might be coming from these UFOs, who knows?
		But be it as it may, I believe that it is coming from various types of aviation and aircraft fuels that generates compounds because of the additives in the fuels, i.e.
		ethylene debromide.
		It is in fact a metal scavenger or a metal deactivator as an additive in jet fuels.
		And in the case there, it's doing what it's supposed to do, plus a number of other additives, de-icers, antigelants, antioxidants, so on and so forth.
		Those are all common things, but there's a couple of them that are in JP5, which is a military fuel.
		And that particular fuel has a high flash, and it is mil-spec.
		And of course, I am pursuing to find out what that mil-spec says to find out if it has something like ethylenedibromide in it.
		Now, here's the point.
		Ethylene dibromide could, in fact, if it's not, if it's dispersed as exhaust at altitude that we're talking about, 31,000 feet, the reaction process may still take place with ozone because it's in the same layer of atmosphere that you would expect ozone to be or even higher, at higher altitudes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we've got to take a break here.
		When we come back, I want to ask you what happens when ethylene dibromade and ozone get together in our skies.
		Summer in the city.
		And the contrails ain't what they used to be.
		Upper respiratory infections going on.
		I wonder if that might be a byproduct of whatever they're trying to do up there.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reach out on the Toll Free International line.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
		Mike Castle is an environmentalist.
		He has testified in front of Congress on the Superfund site cleanups.
		He's an industrial polymer chemist, and we're talking about chemdrails or whatever in the hell they are.
		We don't know.
		We just know they're different.
		William Thomas, I think, has outlined that very passionately and very well as far as he has been able to go.
		Tonight, a different view on what they might be from Mike Castle.
		We'll be right back.
		All right, back now to Mike Castle.
		We have something in our skies we don't understand.
		We don't know what it is.
		We don't know what it does.
		We have a suspicion that it is contributing to upper respiratory illness, much more than we have ever seen before.
		But that's still just a suspicion.
		We don't know.
		Mike, again, ethylene dibromade, is part of jet fuel, JP5, you said?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I believe it is, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think that might be doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's a lot of jets up there and using a lot of jet fuel.
unidentified		So what's possible here?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think what's possible, Art, is that it, in fact, could be depleting ozone.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Because ethylene doboromide, in fact, could react with ozone, O3, and in fact deplete the ozone such as chlorofluorocarbons, which were banned from the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do jets, when they leave the residue with this in it, what happens to it?
		Does it fall to ground or does they're at, what, you said, altitude, 30-some-odd,000 feet, or does some of it, like CFCs, rise to the ozone layer.
		And where is the ozone layer anyway?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		It's above 31,000 feet.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it would rise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it would rise.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		And again, you're getting into the jet stream of the stratosphere and wherever jet exhaust goes.
		Obviously, it would, in fact, rise, not fall.
		Now, we're talking about ethanolate and bromide, and the cause of a problem, I suspect, the cause of a problem.
		We're ripping some very big holes in the ozone from various types of activities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we sure know we've got big holes in the ozone, giant ones at both holes.
		And even now over the U.S. with, I don't know, 5, 6% depletion.
		I don't know what the latest figures are.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Globally.
		But in that, there's a cause.
		If large holes in the ozone are being ripped, more UV sunlight comes in.
		We in fact could be accelerating this phenomenon called global heating because of more ultraviolet irradation and of course the problems set aside for carcinogenicity, tumors, skin cancers, things like that.
		That's not part of this, what we're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but it's part of ozone depletion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We know that, for example, in Australia, my children are required to wear hats and coverings to go to school because of the depleted ozone.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because they don't want a whole lot of cancers, and so it's that bad down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now it's beginning to get to be pretty bad here, too, isn't it?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think jet exhaust might be one contributive cause?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I think it may be one contributive, yes, one thing that in fact could be greatly damaging the ozone layer.
		And if that's known, obviously somebody's going to try to repair that hole or those rips.
		And I think that's where this comes in with the pamtrails.
		It's just a real large in-the-sky spackling job trying to patch these holes up.
		That's what I think is going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then, okay, fine.
		I guess I could understand that.
		These compounds, iron compounds, bacteria, might go up in some way, would they in fact, or would there have to be more components to repair the ozone, or would these iron compounds and bacteria have a positive effect in the ozone layer?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they would, because it in fact would tend to degrade the very thing that's causing the ozone to react with these compounds, i.e.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		ethylene bromide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		CFCs.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		CFCs.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		CFCs.
		Anything that in fact would be considered to be causative of depleting the ozone or reacting with ozone at that altitude.
		And those two things that I mentioned that Bill Thomas, in fact, found are bacteria using an aerobic strain, meaning it, in fact, will degrade various types of materials without air.
		And of course, there's not a lot of air up there as far as oxygen.
		And secondly, the iron component is a methodology.
		It doesn't work that well, but nonetheless, if that's what a, let's just say a large federally proof contractor, as I understand the discussions in unmarked planes, a lot of money, could in fact be trying to remediate these large holes in the ozone by taking the very thing out of it that is creating the holes.
		In a nutshell, that's what I think could be part of this whole thing.
		And there could be other causes of the ozone disruption or depletion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But those two things right there has definitely turned south on us.
		As a matter of fact, there was yet another report of another storm that went roaring into Scandinavia last night with 80 mile per hour winds, several storms with 100 mile per hour winds plus.
		We've had 300 million trees in France go down as a result of the latest storms.
		Ice is melting at the north and south poles.
		It's horrible what's going on.
		And so we know that is in fact occurring, and you're suggesting that ozone depletion may be contributing to all of this or maybe hurrying it up a little bit.
		And somebody somewhere knows this, and they're trying to remediate whatever is wrong by doing this.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		And what we need, and it's the same thing that William Thomas needs, is we need to get air samples.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		air samples.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Somehow, someway...
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We need to get it really out of the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do we need to do that?
unidentified		When or how?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess both.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, would you send a jet aircraft up to try and collect samples, actually fly through these chemtrails and see what they are?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And that's exactly what Richard Hogan and I talked about on the phone the first time.
		It was a calling, if you will, of somewhat like a volunteer effort with someone with the Learjet because Richard has been, as he told me, very close in the air to these trails.
		And he said they could be sampled.
		He'd done sampling like this previously.
		Obviously, I told him I like to go along.
		But I'm not a jet pilot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had a sample brought to you, Mike, do you have the ability to go into a lab and find out exactly what's in it?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		We could develop the entire protocol.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could, huh?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		The bacterial side and the other thing, starting with GCMS, gas chromatography mass spec, There's various methods of identification of various contaminants, and actually, that's in fact a protocol that we would use to identify these compounds.
		And they're not easy, excuse me, there's no mystery here, Art, on identification of these compounds if you, in fact, get something besides a grab sample.
		The shutter fell the grab sample.
		It could have been contaminated, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's another angle of this that I want to try to understand.
		We have unbelievable number of reports of people with upper respiratory disease, so many reports, epidemic level, than we've ever had before.
		So could there be a side effect, Mike?
		In other words, some goes up, but some comes down.
		Now, something is coming down.
		Some residue or something from this is coming down, obviously.
		Would it likely have an effect on human beings breathing, you know, on their respiratory systems?
		Is that a reasonable guess?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Speaking with Don about this very thing, my associate in Sarasota, as Don explained, anytime you ingest bacteria of any sort like that that's foreign to the human body or even animals, you'll get sick.
		And it will create, in some cases, with certain strains of bacteria, flu-like symptoms and lethargy, you ache, respiratory problems.
		If you recall people who have went swimming in water that was at a high level of coliform bacteria or sewage bacteria or raw sewage, they get sick just absorbing it.
		And they get flu-like symptoms, they ache all over.
		It's the same type of thing, including fevers.
		That's just immersion in a bacterial form, and the bacteria will in fact find its way through the body and it will make you sick.
		Well, I think that in fact if you dispend something in aerosol form at a high altitude and it gets back to the ground and you inhale this or it's on your skin or something like that, whatever type of illnesses that critter will create, you're going to get it.
		And because it's looking for food.
		I've actually experienced one of these bioclinics myself, getting in the wrong place at the wrong time and maybe putting my face down and smelling something and then getting the next day and I've got a red rash all over my face where my glasses were at and around my nose and I could not get rid of it, even going to a doctor.
		But it was bacteria that in fact was designed or designated to eat a bunch of petroleum compounds.
		So it was obviously going after oil.
		And it does make you sick too, just like a virus or something like that.
		So from personal experience, they can tell you it will make you sick.
		But again, it depends on what type of bacteria it is.
		And there's many, many types, as you know, and what they're designed to do in nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Mike, you, as an environmentalist, have testified in front of Congress, so you've had some contact with our federal government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine a program, a black program, in which they know the ozone is depleting at a horrendous rate, contributing to global warming, causing all this trouble, and they are desperately engaging in this massive program, trying to replenish ozone, and they are considering the health risks to all of us down here on the ground to be acceptable.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely what you said, I would concur with that.
		I know I can imagine that, but I've seen in other instances where the same type of things had surfaced, tremendous amounts of money had been spent, and using, I'm going to say in this case here, some very relatively crude methods of methodology for repairing this problem or abating the problem.
		But yet the downside of it is I've even told people before on some sites that I've been aware of that they should evacuate everybody from a five-mile radius of this place.
		That's how bad it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because there are some real nasty environmental problems in this United States, especially around super funds, that have been there for an awful, awful long time.
		And they've never gotten cleaned up.
		But when the political machine kicks in, you know, hey, it's anybody's guess as to what you may be living around.
		So, and I'm qualified to make that statement, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you are.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		But at the same time, I think if there is enough demonstration of a better technology, and by the way, that's what I have devoted my time to, is the development of technologies.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Since you, my resume, the first one, and you asked me to send you something else, you'll see that a lot of that is in product technology development.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was like four or five pages of resume.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you have a very great deal.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		And I don't need a resume because I've worked for myself for an awful long time.
		But be as it may, these technologies include biological or bioremediation and cleanups.
		Don and I developed a process called biointegration.
		It's on the web, by the way.
		It's a very sophisticated process, so cleaning these things up on the ground and in the water, not in the air.
		At least we haven't tried it there.
		But, no, I would concur with you 100% or imagine that would the health benefits be compromisable if they're going to be doing all this other stuff, which should be so much better for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I think everyone would probably presume to know the answer to that question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, here's another question for you then, Mike.
		If this were being done in the air, as in the scenario we're talking about right now, to repair the ozone, would you have to do it virtually almost everywhere, or could you do it over mostly unpopulated areas?
		In other words, How can you imagine such a program would be deployed or have to be deployed?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, the meteorological activity arc, and let's just say that there is some credibility to what I've said so far as far as a postulation.
unidentified		Right.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Then the movement of the jet streams, you have a north and a south jet stream in this part of the world, you're going to have to take that into consideration because it continually moves in some fashion.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Being able to predict the trajectory of that jet stream would be where you would want to, in fact, place some type of remedial technique.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you want the jet stream to grab it, is the layman's way of putting it?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that you would be doing it where the jet stream is, roughly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure that somebody can be looking at some inferromy from a satellite way up there, looking at where these holes are occurring, or being able to predict where these holes could occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But in other words, what I'm getting at is the spraying, as it's ongoing, should be reasonably close to the jet stream at any given time, if that's what they're trying to do.
		Is that accurate?
		Yes.
		So in other words, then we should be, I mean, I see the jet stream every day drawn on the weather map on my local weather station or the weather channel or whatever.
		So you could begin then to put together a database to see if these chemtrails have a much higher occurrence level near the jet stream.
		Would that be reasonable?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Near the jet stream in proximity to where you in fact could do the most mopping up of the contaminant that may in fact deplete the ozone layer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had been on some sort of committee, Mike, within the government, and they had come to you and they had said, Mike, with your environmental background, we want to present you with this.
		We think we have a chance to repair the ozone.
		It is a critical mission for all of Earth.
		We're going to try this.
		There may be some health repercussions, you know, for some on Earth, but it's an acceptable risk when we consider the alternative.
		We want you to be part of the program, and it's something we're going to need to keep secret.
		What would you have said?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would probably want to look at what their proposal was going to be and what the entire health risk would be compared to the benefit that they're proclaiming and probably challenge them quite a bit on the technology that they were going to use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, whether it would even work.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And that's what I tried to, in fact, infer earlier, Art.
		I'm not sure if this is what they're trying to do, if it's even real viable.
		And there is a potential downside effect, the health effects we've been describing, that they may be aware of.
		I'm sure they are because of your show.
		But at the same time, I think there would be a better methodology for trying to abate this depletion to begin with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that could be looked at.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Let's have identified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We'll look at that in a moment.
		Stay right there.
		My mark bell.
		I thought this would be a good piece of muff for music.
		It's in the wind, actually.
unidentified		Isn't it?
unidentified		It's over me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is coast to coast AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't touch that dial.
unidentified		Don't touch that dial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're talking about chemtrails or whatever in the hell they are.
		And before we go back to Mike, I want to read to you, with Richard Hoagland's permission, what Richard sent to me on this subject.
		And I want you to listen very carefully.
		Richard says as follows, Art, my idea is that A, remember the radar rings that we discovered and discussed a year ago centering on the Turret Peak event?
		Oh, yes, I do, Richard.
		He goes on, if we're right, these extend far up into the stratosphere and are the product of some kind of super-secret black energy technology, somewhat akin to heart.
		The exact purpose for this technology does not need to be introduced into the discussion without a lengthy explanation.
		It would simply confuse people.
		But when activated, this proposed secret technology, the controversial Project Samson we were discussing last year, has a nasty side effect.
		B, in our model, it has been ferociously destroying ozone via the same ionization process, which makes its effects visible to ground-based and civilian weather radar.
		Thus, every time this black technology has been used and or tested over the past year or so, it has also opened up a whopping ozone hole directly above the installation site.
		The fevered spraying, which even Dames, which meaning, he means Ed Dames, says he cannot talk about, true, has simply been designed to plug these holes, thus one, limiting adverse and other environmental civilian casualties,
		and two, limiting the possibility through those casualties of the eventual press discovery and revelation that this super secret technology and its testing slash use is now in our midst.
		If I'm right, the deeply increasing respiratory infections now Being reported by every major network are simply an unwanted side effect of the ozone repairing agents being used, the mass emergency level dispersal methods chosen, and various other factors which Castle is highly qualified to speak to, Mike Castle, of course.
		He goes on, I wouldn't put it past the black agencies behind this to have actively fostered the wild rumors that this is, quote, some kind of domestic bio-war, end quote, being waged against the citizens of the U.S. by its own government.
		Because such a story, full of right-wing militia-type paranoia, would guarantee the New York Times, CNN, and so forth wouldn't touch the spraying story with the proverbial 10-foot pole.
		Only Art Bell's Coast to Coast would be left to try and deal with it.
		So, ask Mike Castle his thoughts on this, including some likely ozone replacement mechanisms.
		Mike, that's what Richard says.
		What do you think?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I think is that I sent you also an attachment to the message today on selenium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Selenium, in fact, that is a standard material used in xerography, and it produces small amounts of ozone right there in your office if you use a copy machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you can smell it.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for some degree, yes, you can.
		Ozone is really a neat chemical.
		I mean, it will completely replace dry cleaning fluids and clean your clothes with ozone.
		But it will virtually destroy rubber and things of that nature.
		And that's ozone.
		Now, selenium is something that is black, it is gray-black when it's exposed to air, and it's a non-metallic material, amorphous in some forms, and it would tend to stay in the atmosphere if it's dispensed there for quite a long time.
		And that was the other thing that I had to talk with Richard about was this massive transmitter at the North Pole, based on what I heard on your show, in the attempt to change weather patterns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The corneal abduct, actually.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Right.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be a very good reflective material.
		And you, in fact, selenium being irradated with UV light would produce quantities of ozone in the atmosphere.
		And that would be a method of repairing an ozone hole, even though Mother Earth does a very good job of repairing ozone naturally over a long period of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can I run something by you?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This may seem stupid, but maybe it relates and maybe it doesn't.
		I have a hot tub.
		I love my hot tub.
		But when I first bought it, you know, state-of-the-art, beautiful hot tub, I had to constantly put chemicals in it.
		Oh, man, I was dumping all kinds of chemicals and pH balancers and everything into it and testing it.
		And it was really a pain in the butt, Mike.
		And then along came this new system that I have installed now and have had installed for about a year that's absolutely amazing.
		It's hydrogen peroxide, which goes through bubbles of hydrogen peroxide, really strong stuff, are pulled through a tube and then exposed to ultraviolet light and then combined with the water.
		And in some way, the water molecule is changed and cleansed.
		And I never put chemicals in my water anymore.
		I haven't changed my water in a year and a half.
		It's so fresh, you can clean your eyes out with it.
		Hydrogen peroxide and ozone.
		That's what the system I have now does.
		I don't know how it does what it does, but it definitely does it.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		what action is going on there for you degrading all of the None.
		That is a relatively newcomer to the cleansing of water systems and treatment.
		It's killing all the bacterial form in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		And at the same time, it has a different effect on a metallic ion that you may have and other contaminants or heavy metals.
		But it's essentially just destroying.
		It's working as the same thing you would get if you would in fact take it through formaldehyde.
		It in fact is a bacteriocide.
		It's a very, very powerful bacteriocide.
		It kills everything.
		You know, putting hydrogen peroxide on a cut, well, that's something we used to do a long time ago.
		And it would bubble up and kill all the bacteria.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		But there's some interaction when it passes through the ultraviolet light.
		There's a very bright ultraviolet light in there.
		And then it has some action on the water molecule itself.
		It's all Greek to me, Mike.
		I'm not a chemist, but it's a cleansing process.
		And I guess that's kind of what we're talking about, what might be occurring above our heads or what they might be trying to do.
		But you sound suspicious of the liability of doing it the way they're doing it, with apparently what they're doing it with.
		And so again, I want to appeal to the audience.
		What we really need, I think, is a jet.
		We need somebody to volunteer, a Learjet, to go up and get actual samples of this stuff, whatever it is, Clean samples, bring it down, and analyze it.
		I'm not sure what we do after that, but at least it's a step in the right direction.
		It would make a big difference, wouldn't it, Mike?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And we can make an intelligent determination once we've found out exactly all the components of what's there.
		Maybe the things that we have been thrown up on the wall and postulated this evening about this, maybe that's just a piece of it.
		But I think that if we could do that, and Art, if I can say, I'll comment.
		I've listened to you for a couple of years now.
		I think, and my hat's off to your guest last night, Wayne Green.
		I really love that.
		That was really cool.
unidentified		Isn't he great?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Wayne's great.
		He really is invigorated to me at four in the morning, you know?
		But be that as it may, I really think that's Art, and I think the audience out there listening would agree.
		Art Bill could probably get on that radio right now and call for a private mission to Mars.
		And within one month, you would have machinery, equipment, and funds, and probably those two policemen from Illinois would volunteer to go along.
		I'm serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never know.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		You never know, but I think it would really work that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All I want now is somebody to come forward with a Learjet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you be willing to participate in a private mission with somebody who owns a Learjet to get this?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I certainly would.
		I certainly would.
		And I think Richard Hoverland and along with William Thomas, if he's listening to see me, I'm sure he is, taking a collective effort here using our combined talents of making some good judgments on what this is, I think would bode very well.
		And Richard convinced me that he can find these things once we get in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be the other job, I guess.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, we'd have to look around, but I think it can, in fact, be, there can be a strategy developed on how to do this.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		All we use is a jet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, if somebody has a jet, and there are lots of people who are listening to me right now who own Learjets.
		In fact, when I stopped up in Colorado on the way to the Somewhere in Time Reunion, there was a Lear 80 sitting there, and I went inside and talked to the pilot who knew me.
		So there's people listening with Learjets.
		How would they connect with you or Richard or how do you think we ought to do this?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got an email address if you already give it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have an email address, right?
unidentified		Oh, that's a good beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give it by all means.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's E. Kim.
		And actually, it's my name spelled backwards.
		E-K-I-M.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		E-K-I-M.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Castle, C-A-S-T-L-A.
		All lowercase at yahoo.com.
		Sort of little play-on words because I do so much with environmental chemistry, I thought, well, you know, E-earth chemistry.
unidentified		I kind of thought that was why I picked that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me see if I've got it right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		E-K-I-M-C-A-S-T-L-E at yahoo.com.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we are really, really, really asking anybody with a Learjet.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		We'd even, in fact, we'd even consider a citation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A citation, huh?
		That's true.
		That would get up to altitude as well, wouldn't it?
		Mike, do you think that we're doing the right thing?
		In other words, if this is some kind of government-blocked program to do some serious remediation, should we be uncovering it?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I think if there is the downside that we suspect right now with the, especially the bacterial being a side effect, if you will, I think that there should be because I believe that there are better ways of, in fact, going about this, possibly even abating the problem to begin with.
		Possibly, I mean, we ban chlorofluorocarbons.
		It's not saying that we could not find a less benign, environmentally benign or low-impacting if it is something like ethylene bromide, find a material to replace that, if that's part of the puzzle here.
		We're just holding up pieces of the puzzle.
		We're trying to say, do these fit?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we just can't ground all the jets.
		And I'm also told that when we launched a shuttle, and people used to tell me this, and I would laugh at them, that, oh, every time a shuttle launches, it eats up a bunch of ozone or leaves a pretty big hole.
		And apparently, that's quite true.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we're doing a lot of that kind of stuff.
		Shuttles, and of course, jet flights, my God, they're any day, walk outside your house, and you'll see them crisscreen and crossing and all over the place.
		So if there is an environmental impact, and if it is on the ozone, you're talking about a worldwide transportation system that you just can't stop.
		So you would do something like this, I suppose.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Or find a way to reduce the impact by changing the very things that are possibly causative of the ozone depletion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If that's what it is, but do we see any change occurring in that field right now?
		Not apparently.
		Not that I'm aware of.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Not that I'm aware of either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're still flying, still using the same fuel.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the JT-5, the fuel that is used by the Navy, I was told they use that quite extensively.
		That is a higher flash jet fuel.
		You know, there may be something there, but in the military aircraft, JP-8, and also in just regular jet fuel.
		Possibly it's not associated with all the jet fuels.
		But, you know, it could be associated more pointedly towards the military aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you talked to William Thomas yet?
unidentified		I have.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I have not.
unidentified		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have not talked to him.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I have not talked to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you sure should be talking to him.
		Listen, I would like to keep you around another half hour and let you answer a couple of questions from listeners.
		Would you do that?
unidentified		Absolutely.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Mike.
unidentified		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike Castle is my guest.
		He's well qualified to speak upon which subjects upon which he is speaking at the moment.
		And I think you need to give serious consideration to what he's saying.
		Has at least one strong possibility to explain the otherwise inexplicable.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AM
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we are in search of an aircraft that will go up to altitude, probably a Learjet, and that would be ideal because you could get to the location fairly quickly, but there are other aircraft that could get to altitude, and we're looking to actually put together a mission to get some of this stuff, whatever in the hell it is, at altitude and analyze it and find out what it is.
		And maybe, maybe that will tell us what they're using it for.
		Is that likely, Mike, that if we actually get it, we analyze a clean sample, we find out exactly what it is, would that tell us what it's being used for?
		Or would it still be kind of part in the pun up in the air?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		No, I think, Art, if we, in fact, had the analytical information, we could make a much more reasonable postulation on what it's being used for.
		there's not too many things that they would be using those types of materials for uh...
		other than the things we just spoke about uh...
		uh...
		again the uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't see iron compounds and bacteria as any sort of mass inoculation because people have speculated heavily about that.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		No, if you're going to mass inoculate somebody, I think the air fall technique would be very inefficient, a lot more air to cover.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		If you're going to inoculate somebody, I quite frankly think the best way to do it is in a water supply.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The other thing that people speculate about, of course, is that it's some bio-warfare test on the American people, and that's too dark for even me to contemplate.
		Although we have ample evidence the U.S. government in the past has done bio-warfare testing on its own people.
		We do know what's happened, but it's just, you know, on such a massive scale, it's hard to believe they would do it.
		But maybe I'm still not yet cynical enough.
		I don't know.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, biowarfare and some of the things that you've had on your website that I've looked at, you know, the revelations of the cadmium spraying over Shirley and Cities.
		Well, that's not necessarily biowarfare, but it is chemical warfare.
		And just to see what it would do, I think, point of name.
		Cadmium, even in small trace amounts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just to see what it would do.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Just to see what it would do.
		But it's horrendously more toxic as a heavy metal.
		Cadmium is very, very toxic.
		And it is a known human carcinogen.
		It takes very small minute amounts to bring about the same effect that you would get from something like we're talking about, bacteria.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's go to the phones.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mike Castle.
unidentified		Hello?
		Yes.
		Got a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		San Diego.
		All right.
		Is not steam one of the byproducts of any combustion fire?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is steam a byproduct of combustion, is your question?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Is it not one of the major byproducts of any fossil fuel combustion?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Okay, so just like when you start your car on a cold morning and you get steam out of that, out of your exhaust pipe, that is a fossil fuel combustion.
unidentified		Is not also the same steam coming from a jet engine?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily the steam as much as it is the water vapor, which eventually does leave an exhaust.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		And with the B-52 era, they actually injected water into the fuel to get actually more combustion energy from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More horsepower.
unidentified		More horsepower.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think I knew that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there have been experiments, I think, even with carburetors on cars in which there was some sort of water injection.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that somewhere.
		Okay, first time caller line, you're on the air with Mike Castle and Art Bell.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hi, Mike.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I'm on.
		All right.
		Okay, well, I live near Glacier Park.
		And all summer and even this week, a couple days ago, I've seen tons of comtrails.
		Art, I sent you pictures.
		Anyway, maybe they, hopefully it's not the water supply.
		We have the largest freshwater lake west of the Mississippi right here.
		And maybe we could, I mean, could we even track it maybe by the Air Force bases?
		There's Melstrom Air Force Base.
		Maybe by the shipping, the receiving of these chemicals, they must have to buy lots of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good point.
		But that's kind of an investigative sort of thing on the ground that would take a lot of resources.
		It seems to me Mike's got a pretty good idea about just going up to altitude and getting a sample and analyzing it.
unidentified		Well, even the towers, when they're landing and they're leaving and you see them in the air, you could probably catch that on the internet.
		You know, you can hear the towers coming in, jets coming in here and leaving.
		I mean, they do sound different, and they definitely have a different spray on them.
		I mean, I see jets in the air, and this morning, the first one was, I mean, get dissipated really quick.
		This afternoon, they stay, they fall, and then the cloud cover is amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are describing exactly what we all know to be true, believe me.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		And what color are they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can tell you she's going very white.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's kind of an off-white to gray.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		White-gray.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's also been described as kind of, when getting to the ground, as kind of oily.
		Sort of oily.
		It's been described that way.
		Wild Guard Line, you're on the air with Mike Castle.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello.
		Oh, am I on here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'm calling from Vancouver, British Columbia.
		If I'm talking too fast, please slow me down because I've got a lot to say here, but I've got questions.
		We have a lot of chemtrails happening here that most people don't realize because they're so high up.
		I want to suggest Learjet really enjoyed your program with Wayne Green last night, Art Bell.
		Thank you.
		And thank you for your other side of the story, Mike Tassel.
		Jimmy Patterson was mentioned on Wayne Green's program last night.
		He has a Learjet.
		He loves Vancouver.
		He's from Vancouver.
		We're concerned about Vancouver.
		Get a hold of Jimmy Patterson.
		I bet you, Susan, he's in Palm Springs there in Frank Snatcher's old house we hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, it's a good guess that somebody will volunteer their services with an aircraft that can get to altitude.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I just figured he cared a lot.
		He cares a lot about Vancouver, and he's done a lot for our beautiful city up here, and these chemtrails I'm very concerned about.
		Now, incidentally, I have a 38-page hard copy from Will Thomas, where he has already taken samples from a small airplane, and I want to know how can anyone justify such deadly pathogens that Will Thomas states in this hard copy.
		I've got it in my hand, including the fact that the Chemtrails base is in a diethylene bromide base, which is on the OSHA Occupational Safety and Hazardous List as a highly carcinogenic substance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you agree with that, Mike?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can it be justified?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I thought you meant, is it highly carcinogenic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, that is what I meant with respect to the hazardous list as a highly carcinogenic substance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you agree with that, Mike?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can it be justified?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I thought you meant is it highly carcinogenic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, that is what I meant with respect to the question to you, Mike, and you said yes.
		How can it be justified?
		I don't know.
		I have no answer.
unidentified		Okay, some of the other substances, according to Will Thomas' report, like I say, I've got the hard copy in my hand, is that there are funguses and inform of yeast, fungus, mold, spores, mycoplasmas.
		He's mentioned mycoplasma fermentans, mycoplasma chlamydia, which causes half the heart attacks because it's a similar cellular structure to our heart, the cell structure, pneumocochybacteria, pneumoniae viruses, meningocochi bacteria.
		I've written them all down.
		I think I've got every report that he's ever been on the radio, and we're very concerned about these highly pathogenic substances.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		What a nifty soup.
unidentified		You bet it is, and he's already claimed that they've been analyzed through the American Labs are open.
		Our labs are shut down for analysis of this stuff.
		We have heard, you know, there are a lot of rumors in the wind up here in Vancouver, British Columbia, but the labs apparently have been open.
		He's been working through American Labs and has taken samples.
		He says he couldn't get the Cessna quite as high up as he wanted to get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do we want the Learjet?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		A small plane just not able to go above 10,000 feet unless it's pressurized and you're using oxygen and you want to get to the core of what they're putting out.
unidentified		Yeah, well, like you said.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I was not aware of the 38-page report.
unidentified		Well, he wants to get it out to medical people.
		I've got a nursing and teaching background, but I got it through another nurse, and he wants to get it out to doctors mostly and to media.
		And Darn Media doesn't want to touch any of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that.
		You're right, they don't.
		And William Thomas, if you're listening, you have my private number.
		Give me a call right now.
		So, you're right, ma'am.
		It's a nasty little mixture, and I have no idea what it is, but I think we better find out.
		I hope we're not running right into some really secret black project.
		Art.
		Yes.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Ask her if she can hear me about what is the incidence of flu and those types of problems right now in Dancing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen, Owen Vancouver.
		I can tell you, she's not here now, but I can tell you that I have a stack of reports, Mike.
		Hospitals are turning patients away.
		It's epidemic all over the place.
		Even in Europe, by the way, epidemic proportion and soon perhaps pandemic.
		It's really horrible, this flu that's out there right now.
		And it's leading to upper respiratory infections that are not common and even pneumonia in volume that is not common to flu as we have known it in the past.
		Similar to that.
		Eastern the Rockies, you're on the air with Mike Castle.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morning.
unidentified		How are you today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm currently in near his hometown, Ohio.
unidentified		I'm driving north on I-75.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Heading to Michigan.
		I'm a lieutenant in the Navy.
		I was stationed on an aircraft carrier as an officer of the deck.
		I had extensive experience watching our aircraft and never noticed and don't have any memory of unique contrails coming from those, the F-18s or F-14s, or anything else on the aircraft carrier.
		Putting that aside, the reason I called, I was also stationed on a different ship where we had two very similar experiences with contrails.
		We were traveling in the Caribbean, and it was late at night, there was no moon out, and we were looking at the stars because they were very clear in the binoculars and the large binoculars we have on the ship, and noticed an almost fluorescent contrail forming above the ship.
		It made a very big circle in the sky and as it settled it got bigger and bigger and it continued to have just a slight glow to it.
		We all agreed that it wasn't coming like a reflection from the stars.
		Have you heard any other stories or experiences with that type of contrail that was sort of glowing and kind of misty and smoky looking as it came down?
		Covered nearly four square nautical miles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's a new one on me.
unidentified		Yeah, that would suggest that there's some phosphorus involved too.
		That happened two nights in a row.
		We were in the same part of the ocean.
		And we were looking at the source of the con trail.
		Saw no like an aircraft, no lights for an aircraft or anything like that.
		But as the trail appeared, you could see the front of it blocking out stars, which indicated to us that there was a small object with no lights on it up there.
		But it's in the ship's logbook, and it's in the Navy archives now.
		But we recorded it, showed it to the captain.
		It happened late at night, but woke him up and showed him on the second night because we were all so amazed what was happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you could get details of that to somebody like Peter Gerston, who is an attorney and files freedom of information requests, I would bet that we could pry that information loose and find out what it was.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I will email you or L or get that information to Mike somehow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And let me give Mike's email address again because a lot of what's really going to happen, Mike, is going to happen in your email box.
		So his email address is E, all lowercase, now EKIM C A S T L E. That's E KimCastle at yahoo.com.
		And so if you have access to an aircraft that would do what needs to be done, and the altitude we would need to get to would be, what, about 33,000 at least?
unidentified		Yes.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		30 to, I'd say, 35,000 feet.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, that's all in the area where you have to, in fact, file a flight plan to go through there.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mike Castle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah, this is William Clark from Williams, Oregon.
		How you doing, Mike?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Hello, good evening.
unidentified		Hey, hey, how you doing, Arch?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'll try to make this fast.
		You guys familiar with the Blackstone organization?
		No.
		No, it's kind of a situation that created the Red Army back before World War I and the secret weapons that Hitler used that the Americans fought so hard to KGB.
		And this is what you guys are all boiling down to, that the secret weapons was a new state-of-the-art electromagnetic pulses, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's always secret weapons.
unidentified		Right, but see, this secret weapon that people are seeing are actually spacecrafts that are leaving from the northern hemisphere.
		These are stations that they're traveling so fast, Mike, it's unreal.
		I mean, I can give the documents to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, that's what I was going to ask.
unidentified		What documentation do you have for that?
		Well, I got some documentation from the people who developed the stabilizers for people that first broke Soundberry in a jet airplane, okay, that made the plane to where it's stabilized and didn't rattle apart.
		Okay, I mean, old technology, old people, old wars.
		My father was a war hero, three Purple War hero.
		My dad's cousin put up the American flag, Make You More.
		So it's kind of like old history that was passed down to intelligence, to somebody that's just kind of tired of all of it.
		Now, there are spacecraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		UFOs do exist.
unidentified		The Americans' technology has it.
		They stole it from the KGB because Russia, honestly, if you dig in your history, built the secret weapon, and the largest one they saw was 746 feet round, high in diameter with a laser cannon.
		And at the time of the president gave the general eight months of unlimited expenses to go down and find out what Hitler was doing at the South Pole at the time, they covered it up completely because they went running with their tails tucked in between their legs, getting shot at by something they thought was alien.
		Well, the alien part comes when they open three tombs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you're getting a little far away from us here, but feel free to provide us with any documentation you can on what you're saying, and we'll read it.
		We're open to read anything.
		Listen, Mike, I want you to hang around a little bit because I've got William Thomas's number, so apparently he's awake and monitoring what we're doing, and I sure would like to get his take on all of this, get his take on your take, and maybe have a discussion of some of the chemicals in that 38.
		I was unaware myself.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		That's the first I heard about that.
		That's why I went to the websites and your website looking for some information like that, and I did not find it.
		So I think that would be whatever he had.
		I think it would certainly go for, let's just say, a non-clinical review of what's there.
		I look at the chemistry of things.
		If you understand the chemistry of contamination, you can understand the rest of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, with your background, I really, really, really think I would like to hear a discussion perhaps between you and William Thomas.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I can make that happen.
		Stay right where you are.
		And we'll see if we can make that happen.
		All right?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Mike Castle is here.
		And maybe William Thomas will be here shortly.
		I'm Artzel, this is coast to coast, A.M. William Thomas.
		They've never met, but here, right here on the air.
		No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		I don't want that noise now.
		Actually, I don't want that noise at all.
		What I want is this.
unidentified		When it comes to buying home entertainment equipment, you got hi-fi.com and you got stores.
		What's the difference?
		Well, you can check out hi-fi.com at home rather than driving around town looking for the store, fighting for a parking space, waiting in line to talk to a so-called salesperson, then waiting in another line to buy the thing.
		hi-fi.com ships virtually everything for free, and we let you live with your purchase for 45 days.
		If you don't like it, we'll give you a full refund.
		So basically, we make it really easy to buy home entertainment equipment at home.
		hi-fi.com.
		Sign on, sit back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now the noise.
		All right, my guest is Mike Castle.
		Mike is a man who has testified in front of Congress on Superfund site cleanups.
		He is an industrial polymer chemist in coatings and adhesives for 22 years.
		He's got an extensive background within the U.S. Coast Guard Reserve, has been talking to us about what he believes may be going on with what we're calling the chemtrails.
		The man who began all this is William Thomas, and I've got William Thomas on the line.
		These gentlemen have never met each other, and we're going to let them meet right now on the air.
		So let's see if they're both there.
		Mike, are you there?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and William Thomas, right here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bless your heart for listening to the radio and being there at the right time tonight, William.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I couldn't resist when I heard this coming up.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Great show tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		The two of you, what I would like to do is just let the two of you talk and ask each other questions and get together and see if what we're planning is a good idea, if what Mike is saying is a possibility at least.
		What you found, maybe some of the 38-page report the lady referred to.
		So, Mike, if you have questions for William, go or the other way around.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, good evening, William.
		Good evening, Mike.
		And I heard a lot about you.
		I've listened to you on the art show before.
		And as you may have heard this evening, that's what kind of gleaned my interest in this whole subject and just trying to put a little different flavor onto it from my background from the environmental field.
		And what I heard this evening from this lady up in Vancouver, I did not know their 38-page report was even available, did not know that you had, in fact, attempted a sampling of this, and apparently you have, and that's of great interest to me to find out what the technical specificity of that analysis says.
		I think there's something that I know my colleague, Don, and Sarah said, he's the, I've referred to him before, and Don, pardon me, but he's the bug guy.
		He understands the bacteria and the microbes, and I think she, in fact, threw a couple of fungal form names in there.
		And making something of that just by the description, like trying to tell somebody how to read music over a telephone, I don't think it's possible, right?
		But I think if the comments that I've made this evening about this free-dried postulation about various types of halogens and ripping holes in the ozone layer and et cetera,
		is in fact part of it, I think maybe what you have in that report from samples that have been taken both retrieved from ground level and at some altitude, I think that would be a very good first step in maybe understanding more of what you have found out already.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		A few general comments.
		I'm just about to go to press with an 80-page report, actually a book, detailing my 12-month investigation with two co-researchers into the chemtrails, and that's available through my website.
		Also, I'm very interested in this airplane scenario.
		I've been working very hard on this for some months with Dave Peterson out in Aspen.
		And the Chemtrail Research Foundation out there has been collecting monies.
		And ART, we have an aircraft specifically configured for this mission.
		The hard part is outfitting a jet with sampling equipment that protects the air crew and gets the samples.
		There is a plane that flies this type of mission.
		It is for hire.
		The crew is trained.
		We have a technician.
		We have a lab.
		What we need is $6,000 to fly this mission and get the samples tested.
		But everything is set to go when that money comes into the research foundation in Aspen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What do you think of the possibility, William, that there's some kind of ozone remediation underway as one possible scenario and that what we see falling to the ground or the chemtrails that we see visibly are sort of the fallout of that?
		Is that a possibility?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		I think it is.
		I've come to the conclusion that the word I used in the beginning of this investigation is apropos tonight, and that word is desperation.
		This operation is desperate.
		I have written extensively on environmental issues, including ozone depletion, and I have called it the number one emergency facing this planet, at least before the superstorms got cranked up, especially in terms of crop damage that we're looking at, forest damage.
		Certainly, this is a major crisis.
		And Art, I've just finished your book that you wrote with Whitley Striver.
		I also have written on the North Atlantic Conveyor.
		And we have a parallel crisis here with global warming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People don't understand how serious this is.
		A couple of storms across France, and 300 million trees are down, 300 million trees in France.
		That's incredible.
		And so then I take you both agree to some, at least to some point, that these are connected, this environmental, whatever it is, and what's going on with our weather.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		I would agree that whoever is behind this program, this black operation, has deemed civilian casualties on the ground as acceptable losses, that the operation itself overrides those concerns.
		And I'll just note to both of you gentlemen that this afternoon, one of my researchers came forward with a paper from one of the biggest national laboratories in the United States written in 1998, drawing on Freeman Dyson's work.
		Mike, you'll be familiar with the physicist's work.
		In 1979, he called for the spraying of fine particles into the atmosphere to cool the planet and protect against greenhouse warming.
		In 1998 this paper was written.
		I have it here in front of me.
		It outlines a similar program costing $1 billion a year, a fraction, the paper says, of the $100 billion it would cost to curtail petroleum emissions.
		$1 billion a year program to cool the planet by 1%.
		From my work during the Gulf War in the Gulf, talking to atmospheric scientists in Jordan, in fact the chief scientific advisor to the king of Jordan, I learned that a 1% drop in temperatures is a major, major contribution to climate change, in this case perhaps to soften the greenhouse warming.
		So I'm prepared to look at either the ozone or the greenhouse warming scenarios in terms of the spring, particularly when we look at the U.S. Air Force's own document, Owning the Weather, and they talk about cloud screens.
		A question for you, Mike.
		Bacteria released into the atmosphere around 20,000 feet or so traveling upwards, I would assume would be destroyed by ultraviolet radiation and the cold temperatures at higher altitudes.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, that's very plausible that that in fact could and possibly does happen.
		But then again, as long as the lipid part of the bacterial form, whatever it may be, is protected.
		Someone had mentioned some type of oily substance on these materials that could be a hygroscopic material or something like that that would keep these bacterial forms at least alive for the length of time that they're in the air column, let's put it that way.
		But the thing that I in fact explained this evening was I think there's two different things going on here.
		I think the bacteria and the iron are in fact a method of in fact trying to abate some of the problems of things that in fact create ozone depletion such as the ethylene debromide scenario.
		If in fact that forms, if it depletes ozone and reacts with ozone, the chlorinated compounds, the halogenated compounds, then this airborne bioremediation and the use of iron compounds in a different context could be part of the puzzle here.
		But you're correct in it's very, very cold up there, and if they're going to do any work at all, they have to be wet anyways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well certainly we have seen plenty of descriptions of oily, kind of an oily substance, haven't we?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		We have, and that leads me to another question.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Can't we do a mass spectrometry from the ground on these very prismatic chemtrails and get an analysis even from ground level?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		A mass spec, yes.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		You mean of what's in the air?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, take an instrument and do a mass spectrometry reading on one of these chemtrails because we know that they are reflecting, refracting light in prismatic rainbow colors that seem to indicate a chemical or petroleum content.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		And I've often wondered why we couldn't get a mass spectrometry reading on some of these trails on the ground base.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an idea.
		William, let me ask you this.
		Of the best that you found, the best sample or the most pure samples that you have found, which have, I don't know, come from the side of buildings or I think you did get one at a lower altitude, actually from the air.
		What's in it?
		What have you found?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Let's be very careful to make a very strong distinction here.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		The good samples that I've gotten with my colleague Erminia Kassani, a very well-trained health researcher and reporter, have been from low-level drops of a gel-like, possibly polymer-mike material.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I think I heard him talk about that.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this is low-level.
		This is from C-130-type turboprop aircraft.
		We have two very good samples a year apart, half of the country apart, and we have found a variety of toxic molds and Pseudomonas fluorescens and a marker from a distant coral reef out in the ocean somewhere that would enable these samples to be passed under, I presume, a black light and identified very, very quickly.
		Those samples matched in their main pathogenic components.
		And I stress that these were highly pathogenic to the point where the lab that did the testing on both samples asked Erminia Kassani where she had gotten this biohazard material and was very concerned because they could not find research data on some of it.
		It was restricted information.
		We have a cocktail of pathogens causing upper respiratory disease dropped at very low level, and we can see absolutely nothing to do with environmental remediation or weather control from these low-level drops that have been reported all over the United States.
		And I myself witnessed one of these C-130s spraying Picosa Springs, Colorado last summer at 500 feet over that town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike, what would those chemicals mean to you?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to ask you a question first, William.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any indication that these were genetically mutated strains, of anything?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Because that takes it into a totally different realm.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		We need molecular level analysis of these samples.
		However, we did find a restrictor enzyme in the central United States sample that is used by research Labs to restrict or cut DNA to transfer it from one organism to another.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well that's where it gets very, very scary because of the genetically mutated strains of anything in the case of bacteria.
		I mean they can genetically mutate bacteria to melt ice.
		They've actually done that.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Well Pseudomonas fluorescens of course has been used by the military to eat oil spills and munitions.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		And you mentioned a rash and a bacteria found on your own skin and I wondered if it was a Pseudomonas arginosa or fluorescens, both of which can eat petroleum.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Very closely associated with yes.
		But again it was all naturally occurring material.
		That's right.
		I think strains.
		And we've done this with many sites, everything from the mom-and-pop gas station that used to be there, and they got a pool of our plume of old leaded gasoline, and we cleaned these up in very short order to a relatively large site that had eight inches of gasoline when we walked up to it.
		In 18 months, there was, we in fact analyzed to less than five parts per billion of benzene in the water table.
		So I mean, it's a very efficient technology using the bacterial form.
		But I do know that Don is listening right now, and he's the one that can really keep track with your discussion on the bacterial forms.
		And including, because his entire career is, in fact, in the industrial sense, being an industrial microbiologist.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's be a bit more specific.
		I'm going through my own report here, and I'm listing some of the things that have been found in samples taken in Oakville, Washington.
		Again, the famous case, low-level sprained gel-like material.
		Again, we have found Pseudomonas arginosis, Pseudomonas fluorescens, naturally occurring, certainly.
		Usually not in the concentrations we're finding them, though.
		We're finding streptomyces predominant in our samples.
		Enterobacter.
		A serratea marcescens in one case.
		This has been used in biowarfare experimentation on the American public and was voluntarily retired by the U.S. military some years ago because of its toxicity.
		It has been found in our sample in Idaho within the last year and a half.
		Human white blood cells were found by a state lab in Washington state.
		And again, a variety of other toxic molds, all capable of producing heart disease, meningitis, upper respiratory, and gastrointestinal distress.
		And of course, we're well aware that we are now at epidemic levels in at least 15 states, according to the CDC.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, and not to be flippant with you, William, but did this have I of Newt in it also?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Have what?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I of newt?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't be surprised.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eye of newt.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like it's got everything else in it.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Remember, these samples were taken a couple of years, over a span of a couple of years across the country.
		I do take the point that these samples, sample material, have been changed over time.
		And I think it's reflected in the variety of reactions and ailments we are seeing on the ground.
		Again, I must emphasize we do not have good samples from the so-called chemtrails sprayed at higher altitudes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's really what we want to go after.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		We really do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on a moment.
		We'll be right back.
		From the high desert.
		Where, yes, we see them too.
		In fact, I've taken photographs that I've got up on the website.
		I've got a million photographs from all of you out there.
		We've got two men who know about all of this, what there is to be known right now.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		See you.
		See you.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike Castle, an environmentalist who's testified in front of Congress, a polymer chemist for 22 years, and William Thomas are both here on the subject of contrails.
		They have never spoken before.
		I take it that both of you gentlemen agree that what's going on right now is not normal and is not natural and is a relatively new phenomenon.
		Is all of that true?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		Yes.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because a lot of people, to be honest with you, say, oh, come on.
		Contrails, we've always had contrails.
		Some weather conditions cause them to linger.
		This is militia-like right-wing paranoia.
		It's just bunk.
		And the major networks and the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Sun-Times, they won't touch it with a 10-foot pole, as Richard said.
		And so I guess it's important that the public understand if you two really feel that it's not normal and it's a new phenomenon and it is likely causing a lot of ill effects here on the ground, whatever else it's doing, if you all agree on that, then it's a serious, serious issue.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I spoke with Don, my colleague.
		Matter of fact, I got him in the other ear.
		He's been listening, and hopefully he was.
		And his immediate take on this is this is definitely a clinical thing, and it's not really a chemtrail.
		It's a biohaz trail.
		These particular bacterial forms and sperm and so on and so forth shouldn't even be together.
		They can't really exist together, but they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So not natural.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		No, very, very unnatural.
		Especially with the potential that there is, in fact, some mutated strains and some of the other things, the markers that you spoke of, William.
		You know, that's just a big, big fuzzy ball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you explain to the average person, William, what that marker means?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		It means that you don't have to do elaborate blood tests Or even more sophisticated analysis, you could pass your blood sample under a black light and it would literally glow.
		And if you knew what you were looking for, if you knew this marker had been placed in a biohazard sample, you would know that that person has that organism or organisms in their body from a very simple, very fast test.
		I think this was very telling that we have found that marker.
		And I might add that iron oxide is another marker that would show up in blood tests very easily and very readily.
		Again, I must emphasize, these are from, so far, from low-level sprays.
		And in a few instances, yes, from the so-called cobweb material.
		We have found biologicals in the cobweb material, obviously sprayed from higher altitudes.
		Primarily, though, we're looking at the deliberate low-level drop of cocktails of pathogens.
		I'm very concerned now at the epidemic rate in the United States monitoring the CDC's websites and their official pronouncements.
		Well, if we look closely, and again, I'm looking at my own report here, just about to go to press, the CDC is now reporting, Art and Mike, that the illnesses across the United States have been tested by the World Health Organization and the National Respiratory and Enteric Virus Surveillance System Laboratories for influenza.
		And in the hardest-hit areas, less than one in four patients are testing positive for influenza.
		And in most other areas, it's 2 to 15% with a national average of just 10%.
		This is not, repeat, not the flu, at least not the flu as we've known it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
		What would justify, I can see two different things going here.
		The low-level flights you're talking about with the report that you're talking about, William, and then the high-level at-altitude flights seem to be something else entirely.
		Are we talking about different things or are these the same?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		I believe they're different, and I believe that at least the chemtrail phenomena, and I just add quickly, photographs don't lie.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		My presentation, Chemtrails Over America, has 45 minutes of videotape and slides.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I bet.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		And no one has questioned that material.
		There's no militia or maliciousness involved with those pictures.
		They go right to your gut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, for the both of you, if we can get up to altitude and get very pristine samples of this, what will we know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or will we know?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we have a much greater idea based on the chemistry of the components that we're able to retrieve and, in fact, postulate what is exactly in those chemtrails and try to, again, digress and find out if there is a difference in what you already know, William.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		And then, as I said, the low-level flights seem to be something totally different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in other words, we know the U.S. government has indulged biowarfare experiments on its own people.
		So you can imagine that's being done, and that might be at a low level.
		And then at a high level, something altogether different may be going on.
		But we know down here on the ground, as it said in the song, there's a lot of confusion.
		And right now, there is respiratory illness at epidemic proportions in many parts of the country.
		And you just said, William, not the flu.
		You're sure about that?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Well, the CDC is certain about it.
		I'm quoting their official statements.
		And I would call this a pandemic, different from an epidemic in that a pandemic has unidentifiable virus or microorganisms.
		The CDC itself is saying we don't know what this is that we have not identified as flu.
		And I'm very concerned.
		They also said that two major components of the illness now sweeping the United States, and I will say my area right here in Canada, one component, of course, is pneumonia.
		And the other, for the first time, this again from the CDC, is cardiac arrest.
		We are seeing statistically significant deaths now in connection with this pandemic.
		I do not know if it's related to the chemtrail spraying.
		I do know that heavy spraying in places like Houston and Phoenix seem to have exacerbated illness on the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sinus trouble as well?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's putting it mildly.
		Yes, sinus trouble.
		Extreme allergic reactions and asthma attacks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I talked to Keith Rowland, my webmaster, during the break, and he had an interesting offering.
		He said, you know, it was interesting New Year's Eve when they were worried about Y2K.
		They showed a map of all the aircraft in the air on New Year's Eve.
		And of course, it was very light traffic.
		And above the U.S., there were 2,200 jet aircraft in transit during that light time.
		So we fly an awful lot of flights.
		I mean, we really fly a lot of flights in this country and worldwide.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		5 million movements a year over the U.S. are at 5 million?
		5 million, and I've double-checked the figure.
		In fact, I wrote one of the first articles on how contrails have affected the climate and weather for EcoDecision magazine back in 1992.
		So I'm up to speed on normal contrails and how they affect the climate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, there's been quite a controversy about that, actually.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the science is in.
		Normal jet trails do definitely increase cloud cover and affect the weather over heavily traveled air routes over the North Atlantic and other locations.
		Again, the chemtrail phenomena is quite different and separate from the contrail phenomena and appears, Mike, I would agree, to be an emergency Response to some crisis.
		Some people have speculated biological attack and inoculation.
		I don't buy that.
		My report looks at that very thoroughly.
		It appears to be some kind of ecological crisis that is possibly addressed by this.
		And here's something for you, Mike.
		The spraying you mentioned would be aligned if it was weather modification along the jetstream.
		And I would simply note that jetstream is, as far as I know, above 30,000 feet where airliners try to duck it or take advantage of it.
		The spray planes we're seeing are operating below 30,000 feet for the most part, seem to be operating around 22,000 feet according to pilots.
		I would suggest this to you, that if you want to look for weather modification and chemtrails, check out where stratospheric folding is taking place and note aircraft spray activity along those lines.
		Now, I'm in touch with a high-ranking military officer who's talking about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For the average folks here, stratospheric folding, please.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Stratosphere or upper atmosphere is not in itself a weather-causing arena.
		Our weather is formed in the troposphere, closer to the ground.
		When the stratospheric winds fold or dip down into the troposphere, weather changes.
		You can think of it as ocean waves influencing the depth below in ways that change in depth and altitude.
		And this atmospheric folding is where fronts and other weather events can take place.
		It's a very active regime where you get a mixing, again, from the stratosphere, folding down into the troposphere.
		And Art, you'd be interested to note in your book and in weather reports, we're seeing microbursts and mini tornadoes appearing seemingly out of nowhere, flattening trailer parks and towns across the United States.
		What's happening?
		It appears that the stratospheric folding is reaching ground level for brief periods.
		And again, if you want to mess with the weather, and I think it's a really risky thing to do since the weather is already being messed with by global warming, you would insert your aircraft and your chemicals along lines of atmospheric or stratospheric folding.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, Art and William, the thing, Art, you said last night, and you repeated a couple times this evening about the loss of 300 or 350 million trees.
		Matter of fact, last night you said 350 million because I repeated it to my wife and she said, how many?
		Well, I've got 350 million trees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it's 300.
		I've got the 30 million trees.
		Here it is.
		Paris AFP reporting.
		300 million trees downed in French storms.
		A catastrophe in quotes.
		It says two storms, which devastated France last week, destroyed about 300 million trees, according to the National Forestry Office.
		It is a catastrophe without precedent, rather.
		And that's a quote from the ONF's technical director there.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, the point I'm going to make, Art, was that, you know, 300 million trees, how can you possibly constitute that into loss of an organism that does one thing to live, and that absorbs CO2 and gives off oxygen?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		That would, in fact, have a major effect on the CO2 that is going to, in fact, be free in the atmosphere to be the continuum of the greenhouse gas process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of people would say and make it.
		But both of you could comment on this.
		A lot of people suggest that the ozone loss cannot possibly have an effect on global warming or on our weather.
		I've heard that argument.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		No, I disagree because you, in fact, looking at it from one or two ways, you in fact are going to get more ultraviolet energy into the atmosphere, and there's going to be a lot more reaction of the atmosphere in a number of different ways.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		And that in fact could in fact create a spontaneous heat evolution from the heat energy as opposed to cooling.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		I don't see how possibly it could in fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if our scientists know this is that catastrophic, then you can imagine there would be some sort of black program and probably black because they wouldn't want to tell us about it to remediate this in some way, to try and do something.
		Should this, both of you, should this be public information?
		Should we all know about this?
		Or is it proper they're doing it in the way they're doing it?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're all crew members of spaceship Earth.
		We're on an oasis planet, surrounded by the cold, irradiated vacuum of deep space.
		And I think if we have a crisis of this level, we all must be apprised of it.
		And if the fallout is literally making people sick, we have every right to be apprised of it.
		And I'll simply note that the catastrophe of the ozone loss is heightened because you will have, in the loss of heat-trapping ozone, a cooling, a rapid cooling of the stratosphere.
		And you talk about that in your book, Art.
		And if you have a heating of the lower atmosphere and a cooling of the upper atmosphere, you are in for some very violent weather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Precisely.
		All right, well, listen, I guess there's going to be an attempt.
		Now, if Mike should be lucky enough to come up with a jet aircraft that could perform this mission with somebody who would volunteer it, we do have listeners with those kinds of aircraft and others that can get up to that altitude.
		Would the two of you coordinate in some way?
		Would you be willing to?
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		And I would take a very high-quality video Camera.
		I am a videographer, and we would attempt to get video of the spray aircraft and settle that question once or for all.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		One thing, William, that Don on the other line here, in my other ear, has suggested about the ground-based inferromy.
		I think that he's correct in his assertion that there's a potential that you would get too much interference from small going up through the sky.
		Could it possibly be aircraft-mounted?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure of the instrument size, but that would be something to look at for our mission.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		And again, I'll note that if we did get a donated Learjet, the trick is mounting air sampling equipment on the aircraft, which involves FAA red tape, or inside the aircraft, which could involve exposure of the crew.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's true.
		And Richard Ogam, by the way, can in fact participate and probably give us a lot of answers in that area.
		That's the question I had.
		And he said, well, no, here's what I've done already.
		I've done it before.
		But it is with SO2.
		So I think there's a lot of expertise in just that one area.
		Because that was one of my concerns.
		How do you put anything outside of an aircraft that's moving along at 560 knots?
		Right.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		You might have to put it inside the aircraft.
		And I certainly hope that people get in touch with you through your email and in touch with me through my website and we can coordinate this response.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		I also, and I think it's going to be full, too.
		And what is your, William, what is your question.
		What is your email?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		My email is WILCO, W-I-L-C-O at islandNet.
unidentified		William Island.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		IslandNet, I-S-L-A-N-D-N-E-T dot com.
		My website is islandnet.com slash Wilco.
		And I've got an excerpt from my report and information on how to obtain that report on my website.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		William, quick question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are we now experiencing more or fewer comtrails, chemtrails, whatever they are?
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		A good question.
		What I am seeing, and my researchers are seeing, and a lot of Americans are seeing, is we are right back to where we were last year in terms of intensified spraying.
		And we seem to have repeated a pattern of more frequent and heavy spraying starting around November through December and on into springtime with a cutback around June and then cranking up through the summer months so that in effect we have abnormally high numbers of upper respiratory hospital admissions throughout the year now.
		But isn't it interesting that the increased spraying takes place during the height of flu season so that if you wanted to mask or attempt to mask the detrimental health effects of the chemtrail spraying, what better time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously, the two of you need to get together.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd like to offer one of the thing.
		We've called them contrails, we've called them chemtrails, but after some of the things that William has said tonight, Don and I kind of said maybe we should call these biohaz trails.
		I mean, just warranty, somebody's not doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're just shortening it to bio trails.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		We need to sample them first, gentlemen.
		They certainly appear chemical because of the prismatic effect that we're seeing.
		I really would like to get up there with you, Mike, and stick a probe in these things and just get an analysis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see if we can arrange that.
		All right, I want to thank you both for being here.
		Mike, thank you, Art, for the evening.
		And of course, William, thank you for staying up late and listening.
william thomas ▲ ● ▼		A pleasure, and thank you, Mike, for your contribution tonight.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's see if we can use a little bit of good old innovation here and maybe find out a little bit more about what these things could or could not be.
		I think I've got a lot to offer, and you do too, and there's probably a lot of other people out there.
		In fact, we'll find out the answers.
		If we can put a person on the moon, we can find out what's in these chemtrails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're damn right.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so we're on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, gentlemen.
unidentified		Thank you.
mike castle ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, all.
unidentified		Good night, all.
unidentified		A.M. April.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, is this Arpell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Hey, how's it going tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm over here in Pasco, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Yeah, I've been listening to your show for a couple of months.
unidentified		I've been trying to call and call and call and nothing's been through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here you are.
unidentified		I'm finally on.
		Okay, well, a while back, back in the mid-80s, me and my nephew was over in Yakima, Washington.
		Yeah.
		And it was probably about like three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got your radio on, don't you?
unidentified		Yeah, I think I turned it on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's absolutely impossible to have your radio on, folks.
		It'll make you sound all disconnected and like you don't know what you're talking about.
		It's confusing.
		Anyway, you were in Washington.
unidentified		Yeah, and we were walking up the freeway.
		It was probably about 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning.
		And we seen some kind of object.
		This is honest truth.
		This is not made up or nothing.
		This object come up in the back of these hills, had these two blue circles on each end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		And like a blue or whitish line through the middle of it.
unidentified		And it came up in back of the hills, went back, it backed up, went forward, went back again, and just like took off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you think you saw?
unidentified		I do not know.
unidentified		But the weirdest thing was, is that I was watching that series on sightings, and they showed the same thing on sightings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you went, oh my.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, believe me, when I tell you I know the feeling, in the first hour tonight, we interviewed two police officers.
		And if you go back and you compare the description I gave you of what my wife and I saw years ago now and what those police officers said they saw, it's identical in every way.
		So whatever it is, it's real.
		It's up there.
		Don't you wonder?
		Ours, theirs.
		What difference does it?
		You know, either way, it's a gigantic story.
		I mean, if we have technology that allows us to defy gravity and go floating about the planet without the use of fossil fuel propulsion or whatever, then that's a gigantic story, isn't it?
		So if it's ours, it's a big story.
		If it's theirs, it's an even bigger story.
		Either way, I want to know, don't you?
		On the international line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
unidentified		Is that on tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		Turn it right off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Turn it off.
unidentified		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm holding.
unidentified		Going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I got to go if you're not.
unidentified		No, I got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't.
unidentified		I got you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now you do.
unidentified		I'm sorry about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Ontario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ontario, all right?
unidentified		Yes, I was listening to your program tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it's very, very interesting.
unidentified		And I just wanted to say that it's about time we got some things about the com trails in Ontario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, who else is going to do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody on media right now is doing it, so.
unidentified		Except your friend Rob McConnell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is Rob doing that?
unidentified		Are you going to be on his show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you heard that?
unidentified		Well, he said he's going to try to get a hold of you and try to be on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Try to be on my show or have no idea.
unidentified		He said he's going to try to get you on his show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, at the moment, other than what I've got planned, and I appreciate the invitation, I am not doing interviews.
		There will be a short rash of them coming up in connection with the book.
		The coming global superstorm.
		It's a hell of a book.
		It really is a hell of a book.
		And so we are going to do interviews in connection with the book.
		But otherwise, I am not doing interviews and have been refusing them for quite some months now.
		That's just, it has a lot to do with what's going on in my life and other things.
		But I'm not doing interviews.
		And so I would certainly do, Rob, if I were in a mode of doing interviews.
		But at the moment, we literally have been refusing all of them.
		All of them.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
		Lou?
		Hello?
unidentified		Is this Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Am I on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
unidentified		Huh?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is yes, you're on the air.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		You know, on this global warming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, when you burn gasoline, turn your radio off.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
unidentified		I'll wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'll wait.
unidentified		It's on.
unidentified		Okay, when you burn gasoline, let's say you burn one gallon of gasoline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You're going to produce hundreds of gallons of carbon dioxide and other gases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No doubt.
unidentified		In other words, this liquid gasoline or oil that we get from the ground, we are actually pumping it into the atmosphere and enlarging the atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're taking it out of the ground and putting it in the air.
unidentified		Yeah, and we are enlarging the atmosphere.
unidentified		Now, when the atmosphere has a large...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we're adding contaminants to the air.
unidentified		You're making it denser?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, whether you are making it denser or larger, the effect is we are going to trap more of the sun's rays, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And in doing so, that is global warming, isn't it?
unidentified		You are trapping more air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is one way of describing global warming, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, you'll be trapping more heat from the sun, thus warming the earth.
		Yes.
		Okay.
		Now, to solve this problem, we have to do the opposite, you know?
		We have to plant trees and shrink the atmosphere by turning this...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, sir, we now have a climate change that's in progress, that's doing things like knocking down 300 million trees at a time.
		Now, that begins to be a kind of a self-perpetuating prophecy that accelerates.
		And even the top British meteorological person and the top U.S. person have both said, whatever it's due to, and they think the hand of man, but whatever it's due to, it's now accelerating.
		Climate change is rapidly accelerating.
unidentified		Well, if we're going to plant the trees in time, what we should do is cut the turning of gasoline into CO2, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, lots of luck there.
		I mean, you know what you're up against there, I'm sure.
		I don't think you're going to stop the use of gasoline and oil.
		Would you all agree with me that the likelihood of that is rather slim?
		And if you think it's bad here, try going to, oh, for example, Bangkok or Tokyo, some of the countries that are developing certainly Now, and their air is so bad that the policemen who do traffic duty, about 40% or better, have active lung disease from just standing in the street.
		You know, the old expression, so thick you could cut it with a knife.
		Some days in Las Vegas, it is that way, a valley, Los Angeles.
		You've seen it yourself, I'm sure.
		Are we going to stop using these engines that require petroleum?
		I don't think so.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How's it going?
unidentified		It's Robert from North Hollywood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hi, I have my radio turned down.
		Notice that?
		Excellent.
		I've talked to you before.
		Anyway, the guy had a pretty good comment about the cars.
		I assume all of us seem to know that about the cars and the pollutants.
		Sure.
		But back to your William Thomas and Mike Castle's on earlier here.
		Yes.
		The thing I've came up with over the years is that American Native Indians, if you remember, they said that what created life is now taking it away.
		About the space microbes.
		And when we didn't have an atmosphere that started life, and now the atmosphere is thinning, we don't have that much of an atmosphere on the plant left.
		That the microbes are attaching themselves to things such as our food.
		That's probably why we're having our food irradiated, as you notice.
		And a lot of us living creatures, such as humans and animals, our bodies are becoming so toxic that our byproducts, you know, the feces and stuff is seriously toxic.
		We've had all these soaps, antibiological soaps, and lever 2000, all these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Toxic poop.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		I mean, our bodies are becoming a toxic environment, just like the planet is, and it's very scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how could our bodies not be a direct reflection and product of the state of the planet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How could they not?
unidentified		Exactly.
		Yeah, it's very scary.
		And I hope people wake up.
		And maybe what's going on with the spraying here, they're trying different experiments because I notice it's different each time.
		If you've seen Strange Universe, that show, there's video footage of this green goo all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I saw that.
unidentified		That was amazing.
unidentified		That woke me up when I saw that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever it is, I would agree with the two gentlemen I had on earlier that it's a crisis response of some kind.
		I mean, we can speculate about what it is, biowarfare, inoculation, an attempt to remediate what's going on with the ionosphere.
		I don't know.
		I have no idea what it is, but there is some sort of crisis response going on right now, and that's what these chemtrails or whatever it is you want to call them, that's what, at least in part, what they are.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Remember when Ronald Reagan, most people think COFOs, which it could be, and he said weapons if we're threatened by something from space coming down and the whole world was affected?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Maybe they had something to do with the microbes or something.
		And real quick about the weather, I have a roommate here where I live.
		And I wake up at the same time every inner morning, like 3 or 4 in the morning, it's cold.
		And one time I wake up, my roommate's yelling.
		He says, God, he's yelling.
		I go, what's wrong with you?
		He goes, it's freezing cold.
		And I go, yeah, I noticed that.
		I wake up at 3 in the morning.
		It's freezing cold all of a sudden.
		And then 15 minutes later, it's warm again.
		I'm like, we're going, what the hell?
		We lose in our minds.
		And I went outside, and it was cold, and then it changed like 30 degrees, got warmer.
		There's like this hot and cold pockets everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, clear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I got to run.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
unidentified		I don't want your lonely mention with a tear in every room.
		All I want is the love he promised and leave the halo moon.
		But you think I should be happy with your money and your name and hide myself in sorrow while you may.

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