Mike Castle, an industrial polymer chemist skeptical of chemtrails but intrigued by William Thomas’s findings—including iron compounds, bacterial strains like Mycoplasma fermentans, and ozone-depleting additives such as ethylene dibromide—links high-altitude spraying to environmental remediation gone awry. Thomas’s 38-page report reveals low-level drops of pathogens (e.g., Serratia marcescens, retired by the U.S. military for toxicity) tied to respiratory and cardiac illnesses across 15 states, with CDC data showing flu test positivity below 25%. Their "biohaz trails" theory suggests deliberate pathogen dissemination, possibly via stratospheric folding, with intensified spraying during flu season masking health effects. A $6,000 sampling mission aims to uncover chemical markers like iron oxide, while callers describe erratic objects and rapid temperature shifts, hinting at a covert, crisis-driven atmospheric manipulation program. [Automatically generated summary]
Two police officers from Illinois who both saw a triangular object silently pass directly above them.
They're patrol cars.
Officers who didn't know each other.
Patrol departments saw this in Illinois at 4 o'clock yesterday morning, a little after four.
If you missed it, we will replay that hour as the first replay hour at 3 a.m. Pacific time, so you can catch it then.
My advice, catch it.
Coming up in a moment is Mike Castle.
Now, Mike Castle is going to give you a different point of view on contrails, or as they have been come to known, become known somewhat less than affectionately, chemtrails.
He's got a different point of view and a different thought about them, and he is well qualified to have that thought.
I'll tell you more about that in a moment.
Well, it was now many, many months ago when William Thomas first came to us and said, Art, have you noticed that the contrails that airplanes are leaving don't seem normal?
They seem to linger and last as contrails should not.
They seem to form into a kind of a general mist that turns into kind of a misty cloud bank that lingers.
And William has done some testing, of course, of samples that have managed to make it to the ground and has noted some of the contents of these samples.
Many of you out there believe that you are being inoculated given the flu.
You should see the stories I've got.
Just with regard to the flu alone, it is now epidemic on the East Coast.
It is, let me see, here's something from Alabama from the Mobile Register.
It says flu reaches epidemic levels in area.
Hospitals are turning people away.
Here's one from Carolyn, again in Mobile, Alabama.
Note the 2,560 flu-like cases this year, compared to 426 for the same period last year, a six times increase.
They covered our skies with chondrails in November and December.
I work in a hospital, and I have never, and she underlines that, ever seen anything like this.
I have not been sick because I keep my immune system up, but everyone else in my family has been sick at least once.
And so I'm wondering what Mr. Kessel has to say about possible epidemic cause.
I'm not sure he's going to have anything to say.
It strikes me, certainly we are having a terrible, terrible flu epidemic in many parts of the country right now.
Europe also has epidemic levels.
Are the choils producing this illness, this upper respiratory illness that people are getting?
Or what are they?
What are these chemtrails, these contrails?
Well, even William Thomas will tell you he doesn't know for sure.
He knows they're certainly not the old-fashioned choils that we all knew to love and dismiss.
You know, pretty little lines in the sky that are fluffy and white and go away pretty quickly, normally.
Something's going on.
And Mike Castle is about to join us.
Mike is well qualified to speak on the subject.
He is president of a Midwestern environmental consulting and engineering firm and has been so since the late 1980s.
Numerous and varying environmental projects, including investigation, surveillance, remediation of soils and groundwaters contaminated with toxic chemicals, including bioremediation, Mike has given testimony to the U.S. Congress by invitation on Superfund site cleanups in the past two and one-half years.
An industrial polymer chemist in coatings and adhesives for 22 years now and a consulting chemist with his own firm for the past 11 years.
He is an author and inventor of numerous U.S. patents involving polymer technologies in adhesives.
He attended college in the late 1960s and served in the U.S. Coast Guard Reserve.
He holds a national credential as a certified environmental risk auditor slash assessor.
He resides in Dayton, Ohio, and in fact is a native of Ohio.
Well, I think it's something of a different flavor.
Yeah, it's two plus two art, and hopefully we don't come up with five.
But he uses some of the expertise from the very beginning and listening to William Thomas and what he was saying about some of the components that he found on the retrieved samples.
That's what piqued my interest.
And all those two, the bacterial side of it.
And he did, in fact, make some, he did release some information when I would listen to him about the type of bacterial strain it was, and then secondly, iron compounds.
That's what really struck my interest because that's a very odd combination.
Well, what do you think of, before we move into the great details of this, do you agree that contrails are not what they once were, or at least many of them are different than they ever have been?
On a relatively clear day, and you'll have to remember, I think I mentioned to you on the phone I'm a pilot.
So you kind of watch the way things fly around.
And I noticed in a clear blue sky, about like today, just a beautiful turquoise blue, this August.
And it was a Y, the letter Y, backwards.
So it was almost an X, but it was a Y backwards.
Now, here's one aircraft going, let's just say I'm headed east, and one aircraft must have been going at about 220 heading, and the other one must have been flying about a 160 heading.
And just in that one patch of sky, there is this gigantic wide plume.
Can't tell you about or describe the detail about how wide it was.
But of course, contrails are made, let's say it's the generic variety, when they hit certain air inversions, certain temperatures in the sky, and form ice crystals behind the wings.
Well, this wasn't one of those because there was just one spot in the sky that had two jet aircraft at a high altitude just mysteriously come apart or come together at this one point.
Well, that was not a contrail.
That was the other thing.
It was a chemtrail.
Yeah, there was no question.
And some very, very severe weather followed that just east of where I seen that.
As I spoke to Richard Hogan about it, he, in fact, pointed that out.
No, that there was some really bad stuff that happened in northwestern Ohio and then along the Great Lakes.
Just after that entire sequence, of course, I only seen one.
Again, the recognition of the two that I, in fact, heard him talk about, which got me to thinking, was in fact the iron compounds and the bacterial strains.
Again, those are the two that are probably many things that he could have retrieved from samples that did hit the ground and however he came about in getting those, the assessment that it was, the analytical assessment that was made.
Well, those are two compounds that are normally associated with certain types of environmental cleanups of chlorinated or halogenated compounds in groundwater and soils.
You mean, I remember this story, Mike, about oil spills, and I think they developed some sort of bacteria or a little bug, or I don't know what it was, or something that actually would eat the oil.
We're talking about the same live naturally current bacteria.
Yeah, they're various strains, but that's the same thing, and we've used those quite extensively in many, many cleanups, in cleaning up just petroleum compounds, gasoline, benzene.
But there are some that are selective in cleaning up chlorinated compounds or halogens, including PCBs, which are chlorinated compounds, and they are toxic.
And iron compounds.
There's something that my associate, I'll just give you his first name, it's Don in Farrisota.
He has his own company, and he's an industrial microbiologist.
And I kid Don because I say to people, I swear this guy talks to these things because he really understands bacteria.
It is comprised of ferric sulfate, which is in fact iron sulfate, and peroxide.
And when that comes in contact with a halogen or a chlorinated compound or a chlorinated hydrocarbon, it cleaves the chlorine off from the hydrocarbon And tends to, in fact, remediate the site.
The only problem is it works in the laboratory, but it doesn't really work out in the field.
I guess it was like what Wayne was saying last evening about the cold fusion.
You know, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
We have wells out here where I live, and you go down 160 feet and the water somehow going through so much dirt and rock and sand and whatever, all it goes through, that cleans the water.
Yes.
Yeah, and that's how we're able to have our waste disposal here just below ground level because it doesn't matter.
By the time it gets down 160 feet, it's like any other water.
I believe that there is something in what manner has put in.
Possibly Peter Davenport would say it might be coming from these UFOs, who knows?
But be it as it may, I believe that it is coming from various types of aviation and aircraft fuels that generates compounds because of the additives in the fuels, i.e.
ethylene debromide.
It is in fact a metal scavenger or a metal deactivator as an additive in jet fuels.
And in the case there, it's doing what it's supposed to do, plus a number of other additives, de-icers, antigelants, antioxidants, so on and so forth.
Those are all common things, but there's a couple of them that are in JP5, which is a military fuel.
And that particular fuel has a high flash, and it is mil-spec.
And of course, I am pursuing to find out what that mil-spec says to find out if it has something like ethylenedibromide in it.
Now, here's the point.
Ethylene dibromide could, in fact, if it's not, if it's dispersed as exhaust at altitude that we're talking about, 31,000 feet, the reaction process may still take place with ozone because it's in the same layer of atmosphere that you would expect ozone to be or even higher, at higher altitudes.
Well, I think what's possible, Art, is that it, in fact, could be depleting ozone.
Because ethylene doboromide, in fact, could react with ozone, O3, and in fact deplete the ozone such as chlorofluorocarbons, which were banned from the same thing.
If large holes in the ozone are being ripped, more UV sunlight comes in.
We in fact could be accelerating this phenomenon called global heating because of more ultraviolet irradation and of course the problems set aside for carcinogenicity, tumors, skin cancers, things like that.
That's not part of this, what we're talking about.
These compounds, iron compounds, bacteria, might go up in some way, would they in fact, or would there have to be more components to repair the ozone, or would these iron compounds and bacteria have a positive effect in the ozone layer?
Anything that in fact would be considered to be causative of depleting the ozone or reacting with ozone at that altitude.
And those two things that I mentioned that Bill Thomas, in fact, found are bacteria using an aerobic strain, meaning it, in fact, will degrade various types of materials without air.
And of course, there's not a lot of air up there as far as oxygen.
And secondly, the iron component is a methodology.
It doesn't work that well, but nonetheless, if that's what a, let's just say a large federally proof contractor, as I understand the discussions in unmarked planes, a lot of money, could in fact be trying to remediate these large holes in the ozone by taking the very thing out of it that is creating the holes.
In a nutshell, that's what I think could be part of this whole thing.
And there could be other causes of the ozone disruption or depletion.
But those two things right there has definitely turned south on us.
As a matter of fact, there was yet another report of another storm that went roaring into Scandinavia last night with 80 mile per hour winds, several storms with 100 mile per hour winds plus.
We've had 300 million trees in France go down as a result of the latest storms.
Ice is melting at the north and south poles.
It's horrible what's going on.
And so we know that is in fact occurring, and you're suggesting that ozone depletion may be contributing to all of this or maybe hurrying it up a little bit.
And somebody somewhere knows this, and they're trying to remediate whatever is wrong by doing this.
And that's exactly what Richard Hogan and I talked about on the phone the first time.
It was a calling, if you will, of somewhat like a volunteer effort with someone with the Learjet because Richard has been, as he told me, very close in the air to these trails.
The bacterial side and the other thing, starting with GCMS, gas chromatography mass spec, There's various methods of identification of various contaminants, and actually, that's in fact a protocol that we would use to identify these compounds.
And they're not easy, excuse me, there's no mystery here, Art, on identification of these compounds if you, in fact, get something besides a grab sample.
Speaking with Don about this very thing, my associate in Sarasota, as Don explained, anytime you ingest bacteria of any sort like that that's foreign to the human body or even animals, you'll get sick.
And it will create, in some cases, with certain strains of bacteria, flu-like symptoms and lethargy, you ache, respiratory problems.
If you recall people who have went swimming in water that was at a high level of coliform bacteria or sewage bacteria or raw sewage, they get sick just absorbing it.
And they get flu-like symptoms, they ache all over.
It's the same type of thing, including fevers.
That's just immersion in a bacterial form, and the bacteria will in fact find its way through the body and it will make you sick.
Well, I think that in fact if you dispend something in aerosol form at a high altitude and it gets back to the ground and you inhale this or it's on your skin or something like that, whatever type of illnesses that critter will create, you're going to get it.
And because it's looking for food.
I've actually experienced one of these bioclinics myself, getting in the wrong place at the wrong time and maybe putting my face down and smelling something and then getting the next day and I've got a red rash all over my face where my glasses were at and around my nose and I could not get rid of it, even going to a doctor.
But it was bacteria that in fact was designed or designated to eat a bunch of petroleum compounds.
So it was obviously going after oil.
And it does make you sick too, just like a virus or something like that.
So from personal experience, they can tell you it will make you sick.
But again, it depends on what type of bacteria it is.
And there's many, many types, as you know, and what they're designed to do in nature.
Okay, Mike, you, as an environmentalist, have testified in front of Congress, so you've had some contact with our federal government.
Can you imagine a program, a black program, in which they know the ozone is depleting at a horrendous rate, contributing to global warming, causing all this trouble, and they are desperately engaging in this massive program, trying to replenish ozone, and they are considering the health risks to all of us down here on the ground to be acceptable.
Yes, absolutely what you said, I would concur with that.
I know I can imagine that, but I've seen in other instances where the same type of things had surfaced, tremendous amounts of money had been spent, and using, I'm going to say in this case here, some very relatively crude methods of methodology for repairing this problem or abating the problem.
But yet the downside of it is I've even told people before on some sites that I've been aware of that they should evacuate everybody from a five-mile radius of this place.
Yes, because there are some real nasty environmental problems in this United States, especially around super funds, that have been there for an awful, awful long time.
And they've never gotten cleaned up.
But when the political machine kicks in, you know, hey, it's anybody's guess as to what you may be living around.
So, and I'm qualified to make that statement, Art.
But at the same time, I think if there is enough demonstration of a better technology, and by the way, that's what I have devoted my time to, is the development of technologies.
Since you, my resume, the first one, and you asked me to send you something else, you'll see that a lot of that is in product technology development.
And I don't need a resume because I've worked for myself for an awful long time.
But be as it may, these technologies include biological or bioremediation and cleanups.
Don and I developed a process called biointegration.
It's on the web, by the way.
It's a very sophisticated process, so cleaning these things up on the ground and in the water, not in the air.
At least we haven't tried it there.
But, no, I would concur with you 100% or imagine that would the health benefits be compromisable if they're going to be doing all this other stuff, which should be so much better for us.
If this were being done in the air, as in the scenario we're talking about right now, to repair the ozone, would you have to do it virtually almost everywhere, or could you do it over mostly unpopulated areas?
In other words, How can you imagine such a program would be deployed or have to be deployed?
Then the movement of the jet streams, you have a north and a south jet stream in this part of the world, you're going to have to take that into consideration because it continually moves in some fashion.
Being able to predict the trajectory of that jet stream would be where you would want to, in fact, place some type of remedial technique.
And I'm sure that somebody can be looking at some inferromy from a satellite way up there, looking at where these holes are occurring, or being able to predict where these holes could occur.
But in other words, what I'm getting at is the spraying, as it's ongoing, should be reasonably close to the jet stream at any given time, if that's what they're trying to do.
Is that accurate?
Yes.
So in other words, then we should be, I mean, I see the jet stream every day drawn on the weather map on my local weather station or the weather channel or whatever.
So you could begin then to put together a database to see if these chemtrails have a much higher occurrence level near the jet stream.
If you had been on some sort of committee, Mike, within the government, and they had come to you and they had said, Mike, with your environmental background, we want to present you with this.
We think we have a chance to repair the ozone.
It is a critical mission for all of Earth.
We're going to try this.
There may be some health repercussions, you know, for some on Earth, but it's an acceptable risk when we consider the alternative.
We want you to be part of the program, and it's something we're going to need to keep secret.
Well, I would probably want to look at what their proposal was going to be and what the entire health risk would be compared to the benefit that they're proclaiming and probably challenge them quite a bit on the technology that they were going to use.
Okay, we're talking about chemtrails or whatever in the hell they are.
And before we go back to Mike, I want to read to you, with Richard Hoagland's permission, what Richard sent to me on this subject.
And I want you to listen very carefully.
Richard says as follows, Art, my idea is that A, remember the radar rings that we discovered and discussed a year ago centering on the Turret Peak event?
Oh, yes, I do, Richard.
He goes on, if we're right, these extend far up into the stratosphere and are the product of some kind of super-secret black energy technology, somewhat akin to heart.
The exact purpose for this technology does not need to be introduced into the discussion without a lengthy explanation.
It would simply confuse people.
But when activated, this proposed secret technology, the controversial Project Samson we were discussing last year, has a nasty side effect.
B, in our model, it has been ferociously destroying ozone via the same ionization process, which makes its effects visible to ground-based and civilian weather radar.
Thus, every time this black technology has been used and or tested over the past year or so, it has also opened up a whopping ozone hole directly above the installation site.
The fevered spraying, which even Dames, which meaning, he means Ed Dames, says he cannot talk about, true, has simply been designed to plug these holes, thus one, limiting adverse and other environmental civilian casualties,
and two, limiting the possibility through those casualties of the eventual press discovery and revelation that this super secret technology and its testing slash use is now in our midst.
If I'm right, the deeply increasing respiratory infections now Being reported by every major network are simply an unwanted side effect of the ozone repairing agents being used, the mass emergency level dispersal methods chosen, and various other factors which Castle is highly qualified to speak to, Mike Castle, of course.
He goes on, I wouldn't put it past the black agencies behind this to have actively fostered the wild rumors that this is, quote, some kind of domestic bio-war, end quote, being waged against the citizens of the U.S. by its own government.
Because such a story, full of right-wing militia-type paranoia, would guarantee the New York Times, CNN, and so forth wouldn't touch the spraying story with the proverbial 10-foot pole.
Only Art Bell's Coast to Coast would be left to try and deal with it.
So, ask Mike Castle his thoughts on this, including some likely ozone replacement mechanisms.
Selenium, in fact, that is a standard material used in xerography, and it produces small amounts of ozone right there in your office if you use a copy machine.
I mean, it will completely replace dry cleaning fluids and clean your clothes with ozone.
But it will virtually destroy rubber and things of that nature.
And that's ozone.
Now, selenium is something that is black, it is gray-black when it's exposed to air, and it's a non-metallic material, amorphous in some forms, and it would tend to stay in the atmosphere if it's dispensed there for quite a long time.
And that was the other thing that I had to talk with Richard about was this massive transmitter at the North Pole, based on what I heard on your show, in the attempt to change weather patterns.
Well, that would be a very good reflective material.
And you, in fact, selenium being irradated with UV light would produce quantities of ozone in the atmosphere.
And that would be a method of repairing an ozone hole, even though Mother Earth does a very good job of repairing ozone naturally over a long period of time.
This may seem stupid, but maybe it relates and maybe it doesn't.
I have a hot tub.
I love my hot tub.
But when I first bought it, you know, state-of-the-art, beautiful hot tub, I had to constantly put chemicals in it.
Oh, man, I was dumping all kinds of chemicals and pH balancers and everything into it and testing it.
And it was really a pain in the butt, Mike.
And then along came this new system that I have installed now and have had installed for about a year that's absolutely amazing.
It's hydrogen peroxide, which goes through bubbles of hydrogen peroxide, really strong stuff, are pulled through a tube and then exposed to ultraviolet light and then combined with the water.
And in some way, the water molecule is changed and cleansed.
And I never put chemicals in my water anymore.
I haven't changed my water in a year and a half.
It's so fresh, you can clean your eyes out with it.
Hydrogen peroxide and ozone.
That's what the system I have now does.
I don't know how it does what it does, but it definitely does it.
And I think Richard Hoverland and along with William Thomas, if he's listening to see me, I'm sure he is, taking a collective effort here using our combined talents of making some good judgments on what this is, I think would bode very well.
And Richard convinced me that he can find these things once we get in the air.
Okay, if somebody has a jet, and there are lots of people who are listening to me right now who own Learjets.
In fact, when I stopped up in Colorado on the way to the Somewhere in Time Reunion, there was a Lear 80 sitting there, and I went inside and talked to the pilot who knew me.
So there's people listening with Learjets.
How would they connect with you or Richard or how do you think we ought to do this?
I think if there is the downside that we suspect right now with the, especially the bacterial being a side effect, if you will, I think that there should be because I believe that there are better ways of, in fact, going about this, possibly even abating the problem to begin with.
Possibly, I mean, we ban chlorofluorocarbons.
It's not saying that we could not find a less benign, environmentally benign or low-impacting if it is something like ethylene bromide, find a material to replace that, if that's part of the puzzle here.
And I'm also told that when we launched a shuttle, and people used to tell me this, and I would laugh at them, that, oh, every time a shuttle launches, it eats up a bunch of ozone or leaves a pretty big hole.
Shuttles, and of course, jet flights, my God, they're any day, walk outside your house, and you'll see them crisscreen and crossing and all over the place.
So if there is an environmental impact, and if it is on the ozone, you're talking about a worldwide transportation system that you just can't stop.
All right, we are in search of an aircraft that will go up to altitude, probably a Learjet, and that would be ideal because you could get to the location fairly quickly, but there are other aircraft that could get to altitude, and we're looking to actually put together a mission to get some of this stuff, whatever in the hell it is, at altitude and analyze it and find out what it is.
And maybe, maybe that will tell us what they're using it for.
Is that likely, Mike, that if we actually get it, we analyze a clean sample, we find out exactly what it is, would that tell us what it's being used for?
Or would it still be kind of part in the pun up in the air?
The other thing that people speculate about, of course, is that it's some bio-warfare test on the American people, and that's too dark for even me to contemplate.
Although we have ample evidence the U.S. government in the past has done bio-warfare testing on its own people.
We do know what's happened, but it's just, you know, on such a massive scale, it's hard to believe they would do it.
Well, biowarfare and some of the things that you've had on your website that I've looked at, you know, the revelations of the cadmium spraying over Shirley and Cities.
Well, that's not necessarily biowarfare, but it is chemical warfare.
And just to see what it would do, I think, point of name.
Okay, so just like when you start your car on a cold morning and you get steam out of that, out of your exhaust pipe, that is a fossil fuel combustion.
Is not also the same steam coming from a jet engine?
Okay, well, it's a good guess that somebody will volunteer their services with an aircraft that can get to altitude.
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Yeah, well, I just figured he cared a lot.
He cares a lot about Vancouver, and he's done a lot for our beautiful city up here, and these chemtrails I'm very concerned about.
Now, incidentally, I have a 38-page hard copy from Will Thomas, where he has already taken samples from a small airplane, and I want to know how can anyone justify such deadly pathogens that Will Thomas states in this hard copy.
I've got it in my hand, including the fact that the Chemtrails base is in a diethylene bromide base, which is on the OSHA Occupational Safety and Hazardous List as a highly carcinogenic substance.
Oh, yeah, that is what I meant with respect to the question to you, Mike, and you said yes.
How can it be justified?
I don't know.
I have no answer.
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Okay, some of the other substances, according to Will Thomas' report, like I say, I've got the hard copy in my hand, is that there are funguses and inform of yeast, fungus, mold, spores, mycoplasmas.
He's mentioned mycoplasma fermentans, mycoplasma chlamydia, which causes half the heart attacks because it's a similar cellular structure to our heart, the cell structure, pneumocochybacteria, pneumoniae viruses, meningocochi bacteria.
I've written them all down.
I think I've got every report that he's ever been on the radio, and we're very concerned about these highly pathogenic substances.
A small plane just not able to go above 10,000 feet unless it's pressurized and you're using oxygen and you want to get to the core of what they're putting out.
I can tell you, she's not here now, but I can tell you that I have a stack of reports, Mike.
Hospitals are turning patients away.
It's epidemic all over the place.
Even in Europe, by the way, epidemic proportion and soon perhaps pandemic.
It's really horrible, this flu that's out there right now.
And it's leading to upper respiratory infections that are not common and even pneumonia in volume that is not common to flu as we have known it in the past.
Similar to that.
Eastern the Rockies, you're on the air with Mike Castle.
I was stationed on an aircraft carrier as an officer of the deck.
I had extensive experience watching our aircraft and never noticed and don't have any memory of unique contrails coming from those, the F-18s or F-14s, or anything else on the aircraft carrier.
Putting that aside, the reason I called, I was also stationed on a different ship where we had two very similar experiences with contrails.
We were traveling in the Caribbean, and it was late at night, there was no moon out, and we were looking at the stars because they were very clear in the binoculars and the large binoculars we have on the ship, and noticed an almost fluorescent contrail forming above the ship.
It made a very big circle in the sky and as it settled it got bigger and bigger and it continued to have just a slight glow to it.
We all agreed that it wasn't coming like a reflection from the stars.
Have you heard any other stories or experiences with that type of contrail that was sort of glowing and kind of misty and smoky looking as it came down?
Yeah, that would suggest that there's some phosphorus involved too.
That happened two nights in a row.
We were in the same part of the ocean.
And we were looking at the source of the con trail.
Saw no like an aircraft, no lights for an aircraft or anything like that.
But as the trail appeared, you could see the front of it blocking out stars, which indicated to us that there was a small object with no lights on it up there.
But it's in the ship's logbook, and it's in the Navy archives now.
But we recorded it, showed it to the captain.
It happened late at night, but woke him up and showed him on the second night because we were all so amazed what was happening.
Well, if you could get details of that to somebody like Peter Gerston, who is an attorney and files freedom of information requests, I would bet that we could pry that information loose and find out what it was.
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Yes, sir.
I will email you or L or get that information to Mike somehow.
And let me give Mike's email address again because a lot of what's really going to happen, Mike, is going to happen in your email box.
So his email address is E, all lowercase, now EKIM C A S T L E. That's E KimCastle at yahoo.com.
And so if you have access to an aircraft that would do what needs to be done, and the altitude we would need to get to would be, what, about 33,000 at least?
You guys familiar with the Blackstone organization?
No.
No, it's kind of a situation that created the Red Army back before World War I and the secret weapons that Hitler used that the Americans fought so hard to KGB.
And this is what you guys are all boiling down to, that the secret weapons was a new state-of-the-art electromagnetic pulses, right?
Well, I got some documentation from the people who developed the stabilizers for people that first broke Soundberry in a jet airplane, okay, that made the plane to where it's stabilized and didn't rattle apart.
Okay, I mean, old technology, old people, old wars.
My father was a war hero, three Purple War hero.
My dad's cousin put up the American flag, Make You More.
So it's kind of like old history that was passed down to intelligence, to somebody that's just kind of tired of all of it.
They stole it from the KGB because Russia, honestly, if you dig in your history, built the secret weapon, and the largest one they saw was 746 feet round, high in diameter with a laser cannon.
And at the time of the president gave the general eight months of unlimited expenses to go down and find out what Hitler was doing at the South Pole at the time, they covered it up completely because they went running with their tails tucked in between their legs, getting shot at by something they thought was alien.
Well, the alien part comes when they open three tombs.
All right, well, you're getting a little far away from us here, but feel free to provide us with any documentation you can on what you're saying, and we'll read it.
We're open to read anything.
Listen, Mike, I want you to hang around a little bit because I've got William Thomas's number, so apparently he's awake and monitoring what we're doing, and I sure would like to get his take on all of this, get his take on your take, and maybe have a discussion of some of the chemicals in that 38.
I'm Artzel, this is coast to coast, A.M. William Thomas.
They've never met, but here, right here on the air.
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Actually, I don't want that noise at all.
What I want is this.
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Mike is a man who has testified in front of Congress on Superfund site cleanups.
He is an industrial polymer chemist in coatings and adhesives for 22 years.
He's got an extensive background within the U.S. Coast Guard Reserve, has been talking to us about what he believes may be going on with what we're calling the chemtrails.
The man who began all this is William Thomas, and I've got William Thomas on the line.
These gentlemen have never met each other, and we're going to let them meet right now on the air.
The two of you, what I would like to do is just let the two of you talk and ask each other questions and get together and see if what we're planning is a good idea, if what Mike is saying is a possibility at least.
What you found, maybe some of the 38-page report the lady referred to.
So, Mike, if you have questions for William, go or the other way around.
And as you may have heard this evening, that's what kind of gleaned my interest in this whole subject and just trying to put a little different flavor onto it from my background from the environmental field.
And what I heard this evening from this lady up in Vancouver, I did not know their 38-page report was even available, did not know that you had, in fact, attempted a sampling of this, and apparently you have, and that's of great interest to me to find out what the technical specificity of that analysis says.
I think there's something that I know my colleague, Don, and Sarah said, he's the, I've referred to him before, and Don, pardon me, but he's the bug guy.
He understands the bacteria and the microbes, and I think she, in fact, threw a couple of fungal form names in there.
And making something of that just by the description, like trying to tell somebody how to read music over a telephone, I don't think it's possible, right?
But I think if the comments that I've made this evening about this free-dried postulation about various types of halogens and ripping holes in the ozone layer and et cetera,
is in fact part of it, I think maybe what you have in that report from samples that have been taken both retrieved from ground level and at some altitude, I think that would be a very good first step in maybe understanding more of what you have found out already.
I'm just about to go to press with an 80-page report, actually a book, detailing my 12-month investigation with two co-researchers into the chemtrails, and that's available through my website.
Also, I'm very interested in this airplane scenario.
I've been working very hard on this for some months with Dave Peterson out in Aspen.
And the Chemtrail Research Foundation out there has been collecting monies.
And ART, we have an aircraft specifically configured for this mission.
The hard part is outfitting a jet with sampling equipment that protects the air crew and gets the samples.
There is a plane that flies this type of mission.
It is for hire.
The crew is trained.
We have a technician.
We have a lab.
What we need is $6,000 to fly this mission and get the samples tested.
But everything is set to go when that money comes into the research foundation in Aspen.
What do you think of the possibility, William, that there's some kind of ozone remediation underway as one possible scenario and that what we see falling to the ground or the chemtrails that we see visibly are sort of the fallout of that?
I've come to the conclusion that the word I used in the beginning of this investigation is apropos tonight, and that word is desperation.
This operation is desperate.
I have written extensively on environmental issues, including ozone depletion, and I have called it the number one emergency facing this planet, at least before the superstorms got cranked up, especially in terms of crop damage that we're looking at, forest damage.
Certainly, this is a major crisis.
And Art, I've just finished your book that you wrote with Whitley Striver.
I also have written on the North Atlantic Conveyor.
And we have a parallel crisis here with global warming.
A couple of storms across France, and 300 million trees are down, 300 million trees in France.
That's incredible.
And so then I take you both agree to some, at least to some point, that these are connected, this environmental, whatever it is, and what's going on with our weather.
I would agree that whoever is behind this program, this black operation, has deemed civilian casualties on the ground as acceptable losses, that the operation itself overrides those concerns.
And I'll just note to both of you gentlemen that this afternoon, one of my researchers came forward with a paper from one of the biggest national laboratories in the United States written in 1998, drawing on Freeman Dyson's work.
Mike, you'll be familiar with the physicist's work.
In 1979, he called for the spraying of fine particles into the atmosphere to cool the planet and protect against greenhouse warming.
In 1998 this paper was written.
I have it here in front of me.
It outlines a similar program costing $1 billion a year, a fraction, the paper says, of the $100 billion it would cost to curtail petroleum emissions.
$1 billion a year program to cool the planet by 1%.
From my work during the Gulf War in the Gulf, talking to atmospheric scientists in Jordan, in fact the chief scientific advisor to the king of Jordan, I learned that a 1% drop in temperatures is a major, major contribution to climate change, in this case perhaps to soften the greenhouse warming.
So I'm prepared to look at either the ozone or the greenhouse warming scenarios in terms of the spring, particularly when we look at the U.S. Air Force's own document, Owning the Weather, and they talk about cloud screens.
A question for you, Mike.
Bacteria released into the atmosphere around 20,000 feet or so traveling upwards, I would assume would be destroyed by ultraviolet radiation and the cold temperatures at higher altitudes.
Well, yes, that's very plausible that that in fact could and possibly does happen.
But then again, as long as the lipid part of the bacterial form, whatever it may be, is protected.
Someone had mentioned some type of oily substance on these materials that could be a hygroscopic material or something like that that would keep these bacterial forms at least alive for the length of time that they're in the air column, let's put it that way.
But the thing that I in fact explained this evening was I think there's two different things going on here.
I think the bacteria and the iron are in fact a method of in fact trying to abate some of the problems of things that in fact create ozone depletion such as the ethylene debromide scenario.
If in fact that forms, if it depletes ozone and reacts with ozone, the chlorinated compounds, the halogenated compounds, then this airborne bioremediation and the use of iron compounds in a different context could be part of the puzzle here.
But you're correct in it's very, very cold up there, and if they're going to do any work at all, they have to be wet anyways.
Yeah, take an instrument and do a mass spectrometry reading on one of these chemtrails because we know that they are reflecting, refracting light in prismatic rainbow colors that seem to indicate a chemical or petroleum content.
And I've often wondered why we couldn't get a mass spectrometry reading on some of these trails on the ground base.
Of the best that you found, the best sample or the most pure samples that you have found, which have, I don't know, come from the side of buildings or I think you did get one at a lower altitude, actually from the air.
Let's be very careful to make a very strong distinction here.
The good samples that I've gotten with my colleague Erminia Kassani, a very well-trained health researcher and reporter, have been from low-level drops of a gel-like, possibly polymer-mike material.
We have two very good samples a year apart, half of the country apart, and we have found a variety of toxic molds and Pseudomonas fluorescens and a marker from a distant coral reef out in the ocean somewhere that would enable these samples to be passed under, I presume, a black light and identified very, very quickly.
Those samples matched in their main pathogenic components.
And I stress that these were highly pathogenic to the point where the lab that did the testing on both samples asked Erminia Kassani where she had gotten this biohazard material and was very concerned because they could not find research data on some of it.
It was restricted information.
We have a cocktail of pathogens causing upper respiratory disease dropped at very low level, and we can see absolutely nothing to do with environmental remediation or weather control from these low-level drops that have been reported all over the United States.
And I myself witnessed one of these C-130s spraying Picosa Springs, Colorado last summer at 500 feet over that town.
We need molecular level analysis of these samples.
However, we did find a restrictor enzyme in the central United States sample that is used by research Labs to restrict or cut DNA to transfer it from one organism to another.
Well Pseudomonas fluorescens of course has been used by the military to eat oil spills and munitions.
And you mentioned a rash and a bacteria found on your own skin and I wondered if it was a Pseudomonas arginosa or fluorescens, both of which can eat petroleum.
But again it was all naturally occurring material.
That's right.
I think strains.
And we've done this with many sites, everything from the mom-and-pop gas station that used to be there, and they got a pool of our plume of old leaded gasoline, and we cleaned these up in very short order to a relatively large site that had eight inches of gasoline when we walked up to it.
In 18 months, there was, we in fact analyzed to less than five parts per billion of benzene in the water table.
So I mean, it's a very efficient technology using the bacterial form.
But I do know that Don is listening right now, and he's the one that can really keep track with your discussion on the bacterial forms.
And including, because his entire career is, in fact, in the industrial sense, being an industrial microbiologist.
I'm going through my own report here, and I'm listing some of the things that have been found in samples taken in Oakville, Washington.
Again, the famous case, low-level sprained gel-like material.
Again, we have found Pseudomonas arginosis, Pseudomonas fluorescens, naturally occurring, certainly.
Usually not in the concentrations we're finding them, though.
We're finding streptomyces predominant in our samples.
Enterobacter.
A serratea marcescens in one case.
This has been used in biowarfare experimentation on the American public and was voluntarily retired by the U.S. military some years ago because of its toxicity.
It has been found in our sample in Idaho within the last year and a half.
Human white blood cells were found by a state lab in Washington state.
And again, a variety of other toxic molds, all capable of producing heart disease, meningitis, upper respiratory, and gastrointestinal distress.
And of course, we're well aware that we are now at epidemic levels in at least 15 states, according to the CDC.
Mike Castle, an environmentalist who's testified in front of Congress, a polymer chemist for 22 years, and William Thomas are both here on the subject of contrails.
They have never spoken before.
I take it that both of you gentlemen agree that what's going on right now is not normal and is not natural and is a relatively new phenomenon.
Because a lot of people, to be honest with you, say, oh, come on.
Contrails, we've always had contrails.
Some weather conditions cause them to linger.
This is militia-like right-wing paranoia.
It's just bunk.
And the major networks and the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Sun-Times, they won't touch it with a 10-foot pole, as Richard said.
And so I guess it's important that the public understand if you two really feel that it's not normal and it's a new phenomenon and it is likely causing a lot of ill effects here on the ground, whatever else it's doing, if you all agree on that, then it's a serious, serious issue.
It means that you don't have to do elaborate blood tests Or even more sophisticated analysis, you could pass your blood sample under a black light and it would literally glow.
And if you knew what you were looking for, if you knew this marker had been placed in a biohazard sample, you would know that that person has that organism or organisms in their body from a very simple, very fast test.
I think this was very telling that we have found that marker.
And I might add that iron oxide is another marker that would show up in blood tests very easily and very readily.
Again, I must emphasize, these are from, so far, from low-level sprays.
And in a few instances, yes, from the so-called cobweb material.
We have found biologicals in the cobweb material, obviously sprayed from higher altitudes.
Primarily, though, we're looking at the deliberate low-level drop of cocktails of pathogens.
I'm very concerned now at the epidemic rate in the United States monitoring the CDC's websites and their official pronouncements.
Well, if we look closely, and again, I'm looking at my own report here, just about to go to press, the CDC is now reporting, Art and Mike, that the illnesses across the United States have been tested by the World Health Organization and the National Respiratory and Enteric Virus Surveillance System Laboratories for influenza.
And in the hardest-hit areas, less than one in four patients are testing positive for influenza.
And in most other areas, it's 2 to 15% with a national average of just 10%.
This is not, repeat, not the flu, at least not the flu as we've known it.
What would justify, I can see two different things going here.
The low-level flights you're talking about with the report that you're talking about, William, and then the high-level at-altitude flights seem to be something else entirely.
Are we talking about different things or are these the same?
Well, I think we have a much greater idea based on the chemistry of the components that we're able to retrieve and, in fact, postulate what is exactly in those chemtrails and try to, again, digress and find out if there is a difference in what you already know, William.
And then, as I said, the low-level flights seem to be something totally different.
And I would call this a pandemic, different from an epidemic in that a pandemic has unidentifiable virus or microorganisms.
The CDC itself is saying we don't know what this is that we have not identified as flu.
And I'm very concerned.
They also said that two major components of the illness now sweeping the United States, and I will say my area right here in Canada, one component, of course, is pneumonia.
And the other, for the first time, this again from the CDC, is cardiac arrest.
We are seeing statistically significant deaths now in connection with this pandemic.
I do not know if it's related to the chemtrail spraying.
I do know that heavy spraying in places like Houston and Phoenix seem to have exacerbated illness on the ground.
Normal jet trails do definitely increase cloud cover and affect the weather over heavily traveled air routes over the North Atlantic and other locations.
Again, the chemtrail phenomena is quite different and separate from the contrail phenomena and appears, Mike, I would agree, to be an emergency Response to some crisis.
Some people have speculated biological attack and inoculation.
I don't buy that.
My report looks at that very thoroughly.
It appears to be some kind of ecological crisis that is possibly addressed by this.
And here's something for you, Mike.
The spraying you mentioned would be aligned if it was weather modification along the jetstream.
And I would simply note that jetstream is, as far as I know, above 30,000 feet where airliners try to duck it or take advantage of it.
The spray planes we're seeing are operating below 30,000 feet for the most part, seem to be operating around 22,000 feet according to pilots.
I would suggest this to you, that if you want to look for weather modification and chemtrails, check out where stratospheric folding is taking place and note aircraft spray activity along those lines.
Now, I'm in touch with a high-ranking military officer who's talking about this.
Stratosphere or upper atmosphere is not in itself a weather-causing arena.
Our weather is formed in the troposphere, closer to the ground.
When the stratospheric winds fold or dip down into the troposphere, weather changes.
You can think of it as ocean waves influencing the depth below in ways that change in depth and altitude.
And this atmospheric folding is where fronts and other weather events can take place.
It's a very active regime where you get a mixing, again, from the stratosphere, folding down into the troposphere.
And Art, you'd be interested to note in your book and in weather reports, we're seeing microbursts and mini tornadoes appearing seemingly out of nowhere, flattening trailer parks and towns across the United States.
What's happening?
It appears that the stratospheric folding is reaching ground level for brief periods.
And again, if you want to mess with the weather, and I think it's a really risky thing to do since the weather is already being messed with by global warming, you would insert your aircraft and your chemicals along lines of atmospheric or stratospheric folding.
Well, the point I'm going to make, Art, was that, you know, 300 million trees, how can you possibly constitute that into loss of an organism that does one thing to live, and that absorbs CO2 and gives off oxygen?
That would, in fact, have a major effect on the CO2 that is going to, in fact, be free in the atmosphere to be the continuum of the greenhouse gas process.
No, I disagree because you, in fact, looking at it from one or two ways, you in fact are going to get more ultraviolet energy into the atmosphere, and there's going to be a lot more reaction of the atmosphere in a number of different ways.
And that in fact could in fact create a spontaneous heat evolution from the heat energy as opposed to cooling.
Well, if our scientists know this is that catastrophic, then you can imagine there would be some sort of black program and probably black because they wouldn't want to tell us about it to remediate this in some way, to try and do something.
Should this, both of you, should this be public information?
Should we all know about this?
Or is it proper they're doing it in the way they're doing it?
We're on an oasis planet, surrounded by the cold, irradiated vacuum of deep space.
And I think if we have a crisis of this level, we all must be apprised of it.
And if the fallout is literally making people sick, we have every right to be apprised of it.
And I'll simply note that the catastrophe of the ozone loss is heightened because you will have, in the loss of heat-trapping ozone, a cooling, a rapid cooling of the stratosphere.
And you talk about that in your book, Art.
And if you have a heating of the lower atmosphere and a cooling of the upper atmosphere, you are in for some very violent weather.
All right, well, listen, I guess there's going to be an attempt.
Now, if Mike should be lucky enough to come up with a jet aircraft that could perform this mission with somebody who would volunteer it, we do have listeners with those kinds of aircraft and others that can get up to that altitude.
I'm not sure of the instrument size, but that would be something to look at for our mission.
And again, I'll note that if we did get a donated Learjet, the trick is mounting air sampling equipment on the aircraft, which involves FAA red tape, or inside the aircraft, which could involve exposure of the crew.
What I am seeing, and my researchers are seeing, and a lot of Americans are seeing, is we are right back to where we were last year in terms of intensified spraying.
And we seem to have repeated a pattern of more frequent and heavy spraying starting around November through December and on into springtime with a cutback around June and then cranking up through the summer months so that in effect we have abnormally high numbers of upper respiratory hospital admissions throughout the year now.
But isn't it interesting that the increased spraying takes place during the height of flu season so that if you wanted to mask or attempt to mask the detrimental health effects of the chemtrail spraying, what better time?
We've called them contrails, we've called them chemtrails, but after some of the things that William has said tonight, Don and I kind of said maybe we should call these biohaz trails.
Well, let's see if we can use a little bit of good old innovation here and maybe find out a little bit more about what these things could or could not be.
I think I've got a lot to offer, and you do too, and there's probably a lot of other people out there.
In fact, we'll find out the answers.
If we can put a person on the moon, we can find out what's in these chemtrails.
Well, believe me, when I tell you I know the feeling, in the first hour tonight, we interviewed two police officers.
And if you go back and you compare the description I gave you of what my wife and I saw years ago now and what those police officers said they saw, it's identical in every way.
So whatever it is, it's real.
It's up there.
Don't you wonder?
Ours, theirs.
What difference does it?
You know, either way, it's a gigantic story.
I mean, if we have technology that allows us to defy gravity and go floating about the planet without the use of fossil fuel propulsion or whatever, then that's a gigantic story, isn't it?
But, sir, we now have a climate change that's in progress, that's doing things like knocking down 300 million trees at a time.
Now, that begins to be a kind of a self-perpetuating prophecy that accelerates.
And even the top British meteorological person and the top U.S. person have both said, whatever it's due to, and they think the hand of man, but whatever it's due to, it's now accelerating.
Climate change is rapidly accelerating.
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Well, if we're going to plant the trees in time, what we should do is cut the turning of gasoline into CO2, you know?
I mean, you know what you're up against there, I'm sure.
I don't think you're going to stop the use of gasoline and oil.
Would you all agree with me that the likelihood of that is rather slim?
And if you think it's bad here, try going to, oh, for example, Bangkok or Tokyo, some of the countries that are developing certainly Now, and their air is so bad that the policemen who do traffic duty, about 40% or better, have active lung disease from just standing in the street.
You know, the old expression, so thick you could cut it with a knife.
Some days in Las Vegas, it is that way, a valley, Los Angeles.
You've seen it yourself, I'm sure.
Are we going to stop using these engines that require petroleum?
Anyway, the guy had a pretty good comment about the cars.
I assume all of us seem to know that about the cars and the pollutants.
Sure.
But back to your William Thomas and Mike Castle's on earlier here.
Yes.
The thing I've came up with over the years is that American Native Indians, if you remember, they said that what created life is now taking it away.
About the space microbes.
And when we didn't have an atmosphere that started life, and now the atmosphere is thinning, we don't have that much of an atmosphere on the plant left.
That the microbes are attaching themselves to things such as our food.
That's probably why we're having our food irradiated, as you notice.
And a lot of us living creatures, such as humans and animals, our bodies are becoming so toxic that our byproducts, you know, the feces and stuff is seriously toxic.
We've had all these soaps, antibiological soaps, and lever 2000, all these things.
Well, whatever it is, I would agree with the two gentlemen I had on earlier that it's a crisis response of some kind.
I mean, we can speculate about what it is, biowarfare, inoculation, an attempt to remediate what's going on with the ionosphere.
I don't know.
I have no idea what it is, but there is some sort of crisis response going on right now, and that's what these chemtrails or whatever it is you want to call them, that's what, at least in part, what they are.
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Exactly.
Remember when Ronald Reagan, most people think COFOs, which it could be, and he said weapons if we're threatened by something from space coming down and the whole world was affected?