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Oct. 26, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Uri Geller - Telepathy and Predictions. Chris Carter - The X-Files

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours and beyond, the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands, out west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks to Broadcast.com for the wonderful distribution and of course the Intel Corporation for the G2 program, which allows this incredible ability of yours to go to my website at www.artel.com, download the G2 program, put it into your computer, come back, click on streaming video, and you will see the program in progress as well as hear it.
unidentified		And the audio is excellent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming up in a moment, the X-Files, Chris Carter.
unidentified		This is one I've been waiting for a while, and I'm really looking forward to.
		I want to know, for one thing, where he gets these ideas.
		Don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They seem to brush so close to reality.
unidentified		Sometimes you have to just wonder about the source a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I just got a report, a very serious report, from Peter Davenport at the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, and two large commercial airliners in the southern tier of the United States, and we're not going to break it down any further than that because we want to get the FAA report, so we're not going to specifically say where, have sighted a monstrous triangle.
		Now, I repeat, two large commercial Heavies jets have sighted a gigantic triangle going at a spectacular speed, and it was described as monstrous.
		And those are commercial pilots reporting that, folks.
		So there's a lot going on in the skies tonight.
		You might keep your eyes peeled.
		Also, check my website.
		I'm going to leave it up there for about 30 minutes.
		I took a picture last night of the moon, which I'm kind of proud of.
		And I did it with a raw video camera and just went out there and snapped it at the right time and happened to catch it.
		It's not easy to do when you're zoomed in that far.
		Take a look on the studio camera.
		I'll leave it up there for about a half hour.
unidentified		A picture of the full moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never done that before, and I thought it was pretty cool.
		Take a look-see.
		Anyway, there's a lot going on in our skies.
		You'll be hearing more about that, but I wanted to get the news to you right away.
		Now, Chris Carter, in 1992, multi-award-winning producer Chris Carter began creating and developing television projects for 20th Century Fox, including the X-Files, entering now its seventh season.
		The Worldwide Cultural Phenomena has won an Emmy Award and three Golden Globe Awards for best television drama.
		Since its inception, this series has garnered a total of 53 Emmy Award nominations.
		Carter wrote and served as a producer on the series' first feature film, The X-Files, which I saw, which I'm sure most of you did, released in the summer of 98.
		That made over $185 million worldwide.
		The second installment of that feature film series is currently in the planning stages.
		So another movie's coming.
		His writing additionally has garnered him an Emmy Award and Writers Guild nomination.
		As a director, Carter has received an Emmy nomination, award nomination, and three Director's Guild of America nominations.
		In 1996, he was named by Time magazine as one of the 25 most influential people in America.
		In addition to the X-Files, Carter also created and served as executive producer of the Fox series Millennium.
		Previously, Carter had a development deal with Walt Disney Pictures.
		Here is Chris Carter.
		Hi, Chris.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to have you on the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The bad news of the day, of course, is that your newest child, Harsh Realm, has been treated very harshly and canceled after three one, two, three episodes.
unidentified		Sorry to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So am I. Actually, even more than sorry to hear it, almost kind of angry.
		Now, this is not directed at Fox in particular, but it's directed at all the networks.
		I told you just before we got on the air, I was a big fan of Married with Children, and it ran for a year, over a decade ago, with bad reviews and bad ratings.
		And then it became a giant hit that was on the air for better than a decade.
		And now they're making decisions after three, three episodes.
		I mean, that's incredible to me.
		What can you say about that?
unidentified		Well, it is to me as well, because I produced over 200 hours of television for Fox, and the show, granted, didn't perform as well ratings-wise as they would have hoped, as I would have hoped.
		But my personal polling places where I have people who are brutally honest with me, everyone liked the show.
		All the indicators were good that it was, in fact, good work and could find an audience, but they just, for reasons that were political, creative, financial, and probably have more to do with what's going on at the Fox Network right now, I think they pulled the plug.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when you say political, you mean within the network, the politics within the network itself, or is there any outside influence possibly involved?
unidentified		No, it's really internal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Internal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess Friday nights were having a rough time of it anyway, weren't they?
unidentified		Yeah, it's a tough night of television, even though that's where the X-Mile started originally and built an audience.
		But it's a tough night because people the number of viewers is low.
		So even if you are a winner on Friday nights, you wind up in the big tally somewhere in the middle of the pack, even with winning scores.
		So it's a tough night of television.
		It can be a great night of television, but you really, really have to work to build an audience there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, though, I tell you, with your track record, it doesn't make sense to me that they would just arbitrarily, so quickly cancel it.
		It's just very strange.
		You're working on a second X-Files movie, are you?
unidentified		We're thinking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're thinking about it?
		Did the first one, it made $185 million.
		That's a lot of money.
		But they don't say how much is spent on it.
unidentified		I think the total cost of the movie, just production and everything involved in that, was something like $63 or $4 or $5 million.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, then there'll be another one.
unidentified		I think they've already spoken to me about it, of course.
unidentified		I think it's just a matter of choosing what kind of story to tell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um, the, uh, The episode you've got coming up on November 7th, which is a very interesting date anyway, is entitled The Sixth Extinction, right?
		Now, a lot of what you do and a lot of what I do parallel in a lot of areas.
		As you're well aware, I'm sure.
		That probably has something to do with why you had me on a Millennium episode, which we will talk about.
		But the Sixth Extinction, there have been rumors running all rampant across the internet of something that may not be so nice.
		It might happen on November 7th.
		Now, they're probably nothing but rotten rumors, but it's interesting that you would pick that date for the first show and call it the Sixth Extinction.
		Are you aware of those rumors?
unidentified		Have you heard them?
		In fact, you are the first person to tell me of these rumors.
		I see.
		Please tell me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to know.
		It has something to do with astronomers and things that were seen during the, some objects that were seen during the total eclipse that we had.
		You know, it would be a show for you, believe me.
		What is the sixth extinction?
unidentified		Well, there have been historically, I should say, prehistorically as well, five great extinctions in the history of the Earth, where a great number of the plant and animal species across time have died, including the dinosaurs.
		And there is a predicted or projected sixth extinction by scientists, which we would fall victim to.
		And we play with this idea in the first and second episode of the X-Line Off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you not wish to tell the audience from what quarter this extinction would come?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand you may not want to give too much away.
unidentified		Well, I mean, everyone knows what we do on the X-Files and how we've dealt with extraterrestrial life in many forms.
		And we do here as well.
		We play with it in terms of its perhaps role in that extinction or capitalization on that extinction.
		So these things are all part of the storytelling that have been a part of the six years going into the seventh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you personally, underline, personally believe there is an E.G. presence on Earth or that we are being visited?
unidentified		Well, it's funny because I've never ever had an experience myself.
		I've never had an encounter, never seen a UFO.
		But I have some kind of instinctual sense that there is more to the world than meets the eye.
		And certainly, like even skeptics like Carl Sagan, believe that the odds are too great to discount it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may have heard at the beginning of the show just before you came on, I said two commercial airline pilots, Heavies, you know, 747-type pilots in the southern tier of the U.S., have sighted a giant black triangle moving, and they said monstrous, actually, I think that was the word they used, traveling at an incredible speed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty hard to ignore those kind of reports.
unidentified		Every time I get on a commercial airliner, I ask the pilots if they've ever seen a UFO and the flight attendants, for that matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they ever say they have?
unidentified		Almost always they say they have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Or if they haven't, they have a friend who works in the airline business who has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You graciously invited me to go and do a Millennium episode, and it was a really interesting episode.
		And I've had a gal named Joyce Raleigh on who's talked about the Gulf War disease, specifically Microplasma Incognitus is a name of the disease that they think may be causing this problem, and that's what she's talked about.
		And when I received the original script, actually, I recall getting about five or six scripts, but the first one that came actually came with the name Microplasma Incognitis.
		And alarm bells went off all over the place in my head.
		And I thought, holy smokes, they're going to actually do a program on this.
		And when I got up there, about the fourth script or so, the name had been changed to something else.
		I sort of presumed in my own mind a political decision of some kind.
unidentified		It probably wasn't.
unidentified		It was probably more of a science advisor pushing us in another direction because we are, I'd say, mostly immune to any kind of political or certainly politically correct pressure exerted on us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was getting ready to be another question, but I'll phrase it a little differently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you had any direct or indirect contact with anybody at NASA, JPL, or ESA?
unidentified		You know, I've been to various functions where I'll have people approach me and they'll tell me that they work in certain levels of government classified, in classified areas and tell me, ask me where I get my information because they'll say, you don't know how close you are.
unidentified		But the truth is that I'd say more often than not, although we're sort of voracious readers and scavengers of material, that we are really just creators of fiction and using all of the materials that come to us and creating fictions based on what are putative facts, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's too close, Chris.
		Even I can't believe that.
		Have you ever used information from any of those sources in your stories?
unidentified		Well, not those sources in particular, but I'll sometimes hear stories.
		I was told there was a sound mixer, an on-set sound mixer, who told me a story about friends of the family who had, a man who had hit sort of rock bottom and had become homeless.
		And he came back to his family and he said that he had his teeth hurt, that the aliens had been drilling his teeth and the family thought he was a nut.
		And they took him to the dentist.
		And the dentist came back out into the waiting room and said, your brother, or whoever it was, has holes drilled in his teeth, microscopic holes that he doesn't know that there is any tool that could have done that work.
		I love those kinds of stories.
		In fact, that became an episode called Dwayne Berry in the second season, which was a big part of our mythology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess I've been doing this too long, but I have come to believe that there absolutely is something going on.
		I don't know what.
		Some of these aircraft obviously are experimental aircraft of ours, but then some obviously could not be.
		And so I think we are being visited.
		And have any of these contacts of yours...
		Could you relate to what?
		I mean, were they being specific at all in any area?
unidentified		To classify information that has been collected and not disseminated and that we've kind of as putting pieces, fragments of the truth or of fact together, we've sort of pieced it together in such a way that it is closer to a possibly a hidden truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm wondering if you've ever been close enough that you've received a sort of a back-channel, subtle warning.
unidentified		No, I've never actually had any warnings.
		I had a funny thing happen to me when we first started the X-Files.
		We were calling the FBI to get information on procedure and protocol, and they were answering our questions very happily and dutifully, and then all of a sudden they shut us, cut us off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And we weren't even on the air then, so they didn't know I was just some upstart Hollywood type.
		And they, as the show came close to air, probably two weeks from air, the FBI called in a kind of alarming way and said, who are you and why are you doing this?
		And it was one of those sort of instant fears where you think that the ghost of Hoover is going to come and shut you down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're not so obvious in the way they work, Chris.
		They're not so obvious.
		It can be in a lot more subtle ways.
		I mean, Harsh Realm is gone, and we can talk about a lot of things about why we think it might be gone, but maybe we don't truly know.
unidentified		I hope you play the word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you sound a lot like Lance Hendrickson.
		You've got that quality to your voice, a little bit of that quality to your voice.
		He was perfect in that part, wasn't he?
unidentified		Yes, he was.
		He was the person I wrote it for.
		No one else could have done it like he.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you knew beforehand when you approached him, did he have the same zeal?
unidentified		Well, you know, he had turned me down on several attempts to get him to be on the X-Files.
		And so when I wrote this project for him, I didn't know that, in fact, he would do it.
		And I ended up having someone stick a note under his door where I knew he was staying at the hotel, which is you've got to be resourceful as a producer.
		You've got to really sort of know how to put the pieces together.
		And this was, I had learned just enough to figure out how to get the word to land.
		and he agreed to do it.
		A funny story is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're already at the bottom.
		So stay right there.
		We'll be right back.
		Chris Carter, the exiles.
		Chris Carter is my guest.
		I'm Art Bell from the High Deserts.
		You watch the skies tonight.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Chicago's radio leader for the new millennium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		News Talk 89, WLS.
		All right, I'm going to try and fit in a few questions for Chris Carter.
		If you have any, we'll try and get them in.
		Time is short, but I'll do what I can.
		Chris, once again, you were about to tell a story about Lance when all this was beginning and the proposition was put to him.
unidentified		Lance, you know, he's been an actor for some time, and he came to Millennium, and I asked him if he would not use his hands at all.
		That I thought Frank Black was not a salesman.
		He was a man of tremendous conviction, and that if he used his hands, it looked a little like he was trying to persuade people.
		It was one of the hardest things ever for Lance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's so interesting because when Lance and I were sitting across from each other, he said, Don't use your hands.
		Though it must have been passed down.
		I'm curious.
		I'm sure you know with the run that Millennium had, all the demographics involved, but there's something about Lance Henriksen and women.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder if that got reflected in the demographics of the ratings.
unidentified		Well, I mean, we did very well in the 1849.
		I mean, not as well as X-Files, of course.
		But I know my wife, if she's any indicator, was a big, big fan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And my wife, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I asked.
unidentified		Of Terry O'Quinn, for that matter, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, both the X-Files, and this is a really serious question, and Millennium have hinted at some coming terrible something, something that is pending right around the corner at the Millennium.
		And I wonder, it's sort of a recurring theme.
		And if you believe that there's some basis to that, or if it's just serving up what you think people want to say.
unidentified		I'm actually one of these people who believes that it's going to happen imminently anyway, in spite of the millennium.
unidentified		So it's really just a product of my general pessimism and paranoia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pessimism and paranoia?
		Yeah, I have those too, pessimism and paranoia.
		And I'm beginning to get to be pretty cynical, I've noticed, with age, too.
		Now, I believe, Chris, that our government knows a whole hell of a lot more than they're telling us.
unidentified		I believe that wholeheartedly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do too, huh?
		Did you ever have an opportunity, you probably didn't as busy as you are, to see the Air Force's press conference, Roswell case closed, it was called, and they attempted, oh, it was a couple of years ago.
		Did you see that?
unidentified		I am aware of it.
unidentified		I saw enough material from it that we actually used it, I think, as part of our mythology in the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The press conference itself was so bad that it's like it was intended to cause people to go, what a bunch of clowns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		In fact, it had an amplifying effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely did.
		No question about it.
		And so then there are a lot of people who believe that there's a consortium within or outside of the government that keeps information from even the very highest levels, the president, perhaps some presidents, for example, even the current president.
		You think that could be true?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I mean, I have so little faith in people's ability to keep a secret, to execute anything flawlessly.
		I believe in conspiracies, but I have a sort of sneaking suspicion that conspiracies are impossible because of human nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I used to believe that.
		I used to believe that.
		But then I remember Hazel O'Leary, the energy secretary, stepping forward and admitting that we had done, we had fed plutonium to pregnant women and children and older people and stuff like that.
		And that secret was held for a lot of years.
		Chris, a lot of years.
		If they could hold something like that, then one has to imagine they could hold something like E.T. presence.
unidentified		You know, I believe you're right.
unidentified		But in this day and age of media saturation and the loss of privacy, I think it's harder and harder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you the one...
		Was there help?
		Was it presented to you?
		How did it come to be?
unidentified		It was me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was you.
unidentified		I was a big fan of this show, Colcheck the Nightstalker, when I was a kid.
		And I had subsequently come to Hollywood.
		And because I had some kind of ability to write young contemporary adult characters, I sort of spent the first few years doing that.
		And I remember pitching to Brandon Tarnikoff an idea that came from Kolchak the Night Soccer Scary Show.
		I said, there's nothing scary on television.
		And Brandon listened to me and paid no attention.
		I was then hired by Peter Roth at the Fox, at 20th Century Fox under an exclusive contract.
		And the first thing I pitched to him was basically my tried that I wanted to do something as scary as I remember to cold check that I thought you were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm frequently criticized for delving into very dark areas myself.
		And so I can only imagine what your email and mail must be like.
		What percentage of the mail takes you on for delving into such dark possibilities?
unidentified		A smaller portion than you might think.
unidentified		I sometimes I get sent interesting tapes about people recounting their UFO stories and encounters, but mostly it is TV fandom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they don't really take you on for the social side of preaching doom and gloom, that kind of thing?
unidentified		The critics, I think, have taken me on more than anyone.
unidentified		They called the Millennium a relentlessly grim show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Relentlessly Grim.
unidentified		Yes, I can describe it the same way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But somehow there's a big audience out there for relentlessly grim, isn't there?
unidentified		Well, I mean, you know, no one wants, I mean, life is too short to dwell On the grim, but you know, Frank Black was a very romantic hero.
		I mean, he had the weight of the world on his shoulders and wanted to keep the world safe for his family.
		That's a very bright hero in a way.
		He just happened to speak in a very laconic and, you know, heavy voice.
		So I think people took that as grim when I took it as Alice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, extinctions.
		Let's talk about extinctions.
		In fact, did you know that the latest theory among some very prestigious Israeli scientists is that the dinosaurs were not killed by a large rock that smashed us, but rather by an eruption of the sun that virtually sterilized everything on the planet, killed and sterilized everything on the planet.
		That's actually a somewhat mainstream notion now, and might account for a series of extinctions on the planet.
		And there are some people who believe that there was perhaps even ancient technology that is still present in some of the relics we see on Earth, pyramids that are all over the Earth, and some strange stone arrangements that may have given a hint about all of this.
		And if we just knew how to read it, we might be able to prevent whatever may be coming.
		You've heard any of those rumblings?
unidentified		I haven't.
		That's interesting.
		I mean, I've heard of the people who believe that sunspots, which are the same thing, but not specifically you're talking about, have a profound effect on weather and on global even earthquakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		even earthquakes So where are you going to take the show?
		I mean, the Millennium now is racing at us.
		Here we are almost at November, December, and that's it.
unidentified		You know, curiously, we have brought Lance Henriksen onto the X-Files to finish up his character, his Millennium character on the X-Files.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yes, and Mueller and Scully have, on New Year's Eve, they have an opportunity to do what a lot of people do on New Year's Eve.
		And so it is something of a millennial episode for them as well.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think will happen to Millennium after the first of the year?
		I'm sure a million people ask you that all the time.
		How will it affect the show?
unidentified		Well, Millennium isn't on anymore, actually, so it's already been affected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Live in X-Files.
unidentified		You know, I don't know.
		I don't know what the sort of that's the Y2K question is.
		It is, yes.
		I don't know the answer.
		It won't affect it as far as I'm concerned.
		I'll continue to do the same thing I've always done over seven years, is to try to do the best show possible.
		But I'm very curious to see what happens at the turn of the century and how I might, in fact, use some of what happens for stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm very curious what's going to happen, too.
		Do you have any guesses about this whole Y2K thing?
		I mean, there's a million different scenarios from very grim to nothing but a hiccup and a laugh and another glass of champagne.
unidentified		I think that, well, I was just saying to a guy worked with today, Frank Sponge, I was saying that I'm spending, you know, I'm staying home.
		I'm staying put.
		I'm staying grounded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
unidentified		Wisely, I think.
unidentified		And I'm predicting that there will be something unforeseen and unexpected and unanticipated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are hundreds of thousands of embedded chips and power companies switching equipment.
		And I recollect well a little station, a little power station down in Idaho somewhere, up in Idaho, went offline and knocked the entire western third of the U.S., Mexico, and Canada down.
		So if only a small percentage of what they're talking about with regard to ITK occurs, boy.
unidentified		I've seen, well, we've all seen the satellite hiccup that caused everyone's pagers to go out not long ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		And I've witnessed firsthand what happens on the freeway when someone drops a box of nails in L.A. The whole city log jams in gridlocks.
unidentified		So I'm very curious to see what happens when there's a real sort of event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we had a little preview with the hurricane recently in the southeast, and what happened was massive millions of people began to move, and you couldn't get a hotel, and you couldn't get a place to stay, and it was horrible moving west.
		People were literally filling everything up.
		Never had that many people moved.
		And if we ever did have a really large event, do you think we are prepared to handle it?
		I mean, if something threatened, for example, a large portion of the East Coast and people had to really move out suddenly, I don't think it could be done, Chris, if we're prepared for something like that.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		I witnessed the 50th anniversary of Sturgis, South Dakota, and they couldn't handle that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's exactly right.
		So you are personally somewhat hopeful, but professionally.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you describe yourself professionally?
unidentified		I mean, I'm a hopeful person, to be honest.
		I'm a happy person.
		I'm a person who wants things.
		I'm somewhat still idealistic.
		So all the grimness, the darkness, all the paranoia is a way of defending against defending that happiness, I should say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, I sort of believe the same thing.
		I do think there's a change coming, some sort of, you know, it's an overused phrase, paradigm shift, something's going to happen, something fairly major.
		And I think that discussing it and having people begin to consider it is a kind of a protective thing.
		It causes them to begin to think about preparedness and that sort of thing.
		That's a good idea no matter what.
unidentified		Right.
		You know, in the opening credits of the Millennium originally, we had the words worry and wait.
		And those were significant words to maybe for me or for Lance Hendrix and for Flank Black because they are a kind of bitter watchword for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, did you tell us a little while ago that essentially Mulder and Scully were going to consummate the millennium?
unidentified		They had the opportunity to do what a lot of people do at the stroke of midnight on New Year's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other than the movie, you know, the X-Wiles movie, what's in your mind?
unidentified		Well, I create and produce TV shows, so I'm always looking for an idea that will generate, you know, 100-plus episodes, and they're very, very few and far between good ones.
unidentified		I'm looking for people to work with that can sustain that kind of work, which is very, very difficult, the most difficult work in show business, as far as I'm concerned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a lot of new ideas out there, are there?
unidentified		No, there aren't.
unidentified		They tend to be the typical franchises, the Law Show, the Hospital Show, the Cobb Show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		And I try to do something different, as I have done over the past while with X-Miles, Harsh Realm, and Millennium.
		And sometimes they work, obviously, and as this recent decision was made, sometimes they don't.
		But I'll continue to try to do something different because it's what interests me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the entertainment industry, taken as a whole, ran out of ideas years ago, and it just seems like we're seeing them regurgitated all over the place.
		And that's kind of why I stepped away from what I was doing about a decade ago and began doing something good.
		I was sick of it all.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, I mean, you have to there's nothing worse than working with something you're unhappy at.
		and I'm lucky that I've found something that makes me happy, mostly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're in search of a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		in other words, you would be...
unidentified		No, I mean, I'm a hard worker, so if I see something that gives me the, you know, continues to generate story ideas like the Axel House is a perfect example.
		I mean, the show could go on indefinitely, really, because there are so many things to explore and stories to tell.
		If I find another idea like that, I get very excited about it because it's almost like the original idea begins to work for you and allows you to create a resource where it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Chinese have a curse about interesting times.
		And a lot of people suggest that at the millennium, why programs like mine and programs like yours may suffer.
		I think not.
		I think that the times are going to get really, really interesting going into 2000 and beyond.
unidentified		I think you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I really want to thank you for coming and being on the program tonight.
		I owe you.
		No, actually, well, yeah, you do owe me because I was on Millennium.
		I love that show.
		I love doing that show.
		And by the way, we talked for just a second before we were on the air.
		And you told me that once you were in one of your own episodes, and you strolled on there suggesting that they were all over highly paid people, and then after you were done...
		It wasn't enough.
unidentified		It was really hard.
unidentified		Anyone who thinks that it's easy to sit there in front of the camera and be natural or play a role is mistaken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How in God's name they do that day in, day out, week in, week out is completely, utterly beyond me.
unidentified		Well, that's easy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's easy?
unidentified		To do it week in, week out.
unidentified		But for the first time, that's really hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's that first one, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Chris, thank you for being on the program.
unidentified		Thanks.
unidentified		I appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		We'll do it again.
		That's Chris Carter.
		The X-Files, Chris Carter, Harsh Realm gone after three weeks.
unidentified		I'd say that's harsh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, this is not directed at Fox, it's directed at all of the networks.
		Since when does any program, any program catch on in the first three weeks?
		Don't touch that, darling.
unidentified		You got some anywhere.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I am Art Bell.
		And it's strange, all my life I've heard about Uri Geller.
		Uri was actually born in Israel on December 20th, 1946, so he's a little bit younger than I am by some months.
unidentified		And yet I've heard of him all my adult life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's who we're going to have on here shortly, Uri Geller.
		I'll tell you more about him in a moment.
		Right now, let's take care of biz.
		you you Uri Geller was born in Israel on December 20th, 1946.
		His parents are of Hungarian and Austrian descent, and he is distantly related on his mother's side to Sigmund Freud.
		Oh, that's interesting.
		At the age of four, he had a mysterious encounter with a sphere of light while in a garden near his house.
		He first became aware of his unusual powers.
		At age five, one day during a meal, a spoon curled up in his hand and broke.
		Although he had applied no physical pressure to it, his parents were somewhat, as you could imagine, taken back, and Uri did not mention the incident to anyone else at the time.
		He developed these powers in school by demonstrating them to fellow students.
		His mother thought he inherited them from Sigmund Freud.
		When he was 11, he went to Cyprus, where he remained till he was 17.
		He then returned to Israel, served as a paratrooper in the Israeli army, fought the Six-Day War of 1967, during which he was wounded in action.
		From 1968 to 9, he worked as a model, photographed for many different ads.
		In 69, he began to demonstrate his powers of telepathy and psychokinesis to small select audiences.
		By the end of 1971, however, his was a household name throughout Israel thanks to numerous stage appearances.
		He was given a plug by the then Prime Minister Goldemir when asked on national radio what he predicted for the future of Israel.
		She replied, don't ask me, ask Uri Geller.
		And so here he is, Eri Geller.
		Welcome to the program.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		It's great being on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's great having you.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And you know, that was the biggest plug in my life, Art, coming from the mouth of the Prime Minister.
		You can imagine what that did to me.
		First of all, it made me instantaneously a household name in Israel.
		But it also started the phones ringing, and managers started booking me into huge theaters.
		It was just really unbelievable that from nothing, you know, because I'm from poverty.
		I mean, I was scooting around television with my Vespa from one photographer to another, and suddenly I found myself performing in front of 5,000 people.
		So it was just unreal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why did she say that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, she must have had very good reason to ask.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'll tell you.
		I had a girlfriend who was a model.
		Her name was Iris Davidesco.
		And she took me once to a photo shoot, and a male model didn't show up.
		And the photographer looked at me and said, hey, you're good looking.
		Come and take his place.
		So he photographed me.
		And I just suddenly became really wanted for ads.
		And one day I bent a key in the hand of a photographer, and that freaked him out.
		And he invited me to a party to demonstrate my powers.
		And what amazed me, Art more than the spoon bending and the watch fixing, was how astonished the people around me were.
		And these parties became more prestigious.
		And from photographers, I went over to judges and lawyers and generals.
		And one day, Golda Meyer, the Prime Minister of Israel, was in one of these parties.
		And I decided to impress her, so I sent her to the bathroom.
		I think I was the only person to send the prime minister to the bathroom to draw a drawing.
		And she came back and she was holding it.
		And I looked into her eyes and I said, think of the drawing now.
		And I duplicated it.
		And I'll tell you the truth, I didn't have to be a psychic to know that she would draw a Star of David.
unidentified		Because what else would the Prime Minister of Israel draw?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		But it was exactly the same size, and that impressed her.
		And that's why she said it.
		You know, she didn't even think when you asked her to predict the future of Israel.
		She just said, don't ask me, ask Uri Geller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well then, Let's.
		A lot of people think that the future of Israel is the future of the world.
		And so the future of Israel is very much on our minds.
		What do you know about the future of Israel, Uri?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have a very important point there.
		You know, Art, I'm a religious man.
		I believe in God.
		I actually pray to God every day.
		I believe in all religions, by the way.
		And under God, I know there are infinite spaces out there, and everything is possible.
		And I think there is a master plan out there.
		I personally think that our, you know, talking to each other tonight is not to interview or get or to plug another one of my books, but there is a reason for everything.
		Maybe we don't know what the reason and the purpose is today, but we will know someday.
		And including you listeners who are listening to us right now, I think we're all somehow united and we're connected.
		Israel is a very important point on our planet simply because Jerusalem is where Jesus walked.
		Mount Sinai is where Moses came down with the Ten Commandments.
		And Prophet Elijah, I mean, the whole past, thousands of years ago, very important world-shattering events happened in that area of our planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Ari, I'm not all that religious a person, but I was in Jerusalem.
		I was in Bethlehem recently, and I stood at the place where Jesus was born, and I Could feel it.
		I could feel it all through me.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I bet you had goosebumps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		You know, whatever people, whether you're a believer or you're an agnostic or an atheist, there is something in the air there that you can't take away.
		I mean, it's just there is a deep, I don't want to call it even a vibration or a frequency, but there's something there.
		And it moves everyone, whether you're a Muslim, a Christian, or a Jew.
		So, you know, I pray to God that there will be peace because once there will be an everlasting peace in Israel with its Arab neighbors, I think that will catch around the world.
		And hopefully, maybe peace will come out from that area of our globe.
		And that's why it's so important.
		I'll tell you something, Art.
		I very rarely talk about this, but when I fought in the Six-Day War, my unit was taken to Jerusalem.
		And unfortunately, a horrifying event happened to me.
		Besides being wounded, about 25 minutes before I was wounded, suddenly a Jordanian soldier jumped out from behind a rock.
		And he looked me in the eye, and I had my Uzi, and he had his gun.
		And it was a matter of survival.
		It was whoever pressed the trigger first, and I beat him to it.
		And I actually art killed a man.
		And today, you know, obviously I have horrifying, recurring dreams.
		He comes in my dream in a nightmare, and he shakes me and he says, why did you do this?
		And his face looks at me and his black moustache.
		So I've been there.
		I've seen my friends being killed.
		I've seen Arabs being killed.
		And, you know, I want peace and I want it badly.
		And if everyone around the world, I don't know if you believe in the power of prayer, I do, but if everyone will pray for peace, gradually, hopefully, it will come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		It will come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Bible suggests different events eventually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That that will be the cradle, that which was the beginning will be the end as well, the beginning of the end.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, I don't believe that, Art.
		People ask me, I appear around the world all the time.
		I get hundreds of thousands of letters and emails.
		And they ask me, do you really believe that Armageddon is around the corner, that the doomsday is coming?
		I don't believe that, although I respect Nostradamus' prophecies.
		But why should the world end?
		I mean, sure, there could be natural catastrophes.
		They happen all the time.
		You know, floodings and the rainforests are dying on us and pollution is raging and there are earthquakes and so on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ice caps melting, we could go on and on.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I think that we still have many, many millions of years on our beautiful planet.
		Yes, we have to conquer things.
		I mean, Ar, do you realize that as we speak right now, if I count three seconds, one, two, three, someone just died from hunger.
		Every three seconds, someone dies from hunger.
		28 or 29 years ago, we put a man on the moon, yet we cannot cure cancer.
		So I ask myself, I struggle with my belief in God because I say, well, okay, I believe in God, but if there is God, why are there sick children right now dying from leukemia in hundreds and hundreds of hospitals around the world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what answer to that do you get?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I'm very confused today.
		My very good friend is a rabbi called Shmuly Boteach, and I had a debate with him about that.
		And I want an answer, and I don't have an answer, yet I do believe in my heart that God created us.
		And you know that I'm actually on your show to promote Mind Medicine, my latest book.
		And Mind Medicine is about healing.
		And I'm not a healer.
		I'm not a miracle worker.
		But I believe that with positive thinking, and plus with conventional medicine, you can get yourself, you can overcome illnesses.
		But the book is dedicated to a 10-year-old boy called Jonathan McCarthy, who I couldn't help, who died from a brain tumor.
		Yes, I eased his way to the other life because I'm a great believer in life after death.
		But that is a huge puzzle.
		Why do these things happen if God is good?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can make ourselves well, and I agree with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can also make ourselves sick.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I agree with you.
		I mean, just driving in the streets of Los Angeles or New York, look at the posters, listen to the commercials, look at the ads and papers.
		We're constantly, Art, bombarded by violence.
		We're constantly bombarded by medicines to take, to cure yourself with this and that.
		You know, just by looking at the stuff we are being fed forcefully, we can get sick just by that.
		I mean, we can get stressed out just by our, you know, mere existence because most people out there are struggling.
		I'm lucky.
		You're lucky.
		I mean, I made some money in life, so I can now comfortably live.
		But most people, billions and billions of people, are in a constant survival.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Week to week, most of them, you're absolutely correct.
		I am lucky, and I'm getting older, and so I can say what I want, and I don't care what I say anymore.
		I just say what I feel.
		And I'm sure you were getting to that same point or got there some time ago.
		Listen, one more question about Israel.
unidentified		They're trading land for peace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I know that your long view is one of peace, but in the short term, Do you really believe that trading land is going to bring peace?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I do, Art.
		And it's funny that you're asking me this question because it's a political question.
		It is, yes.
		You know that I know Prime Minister Barak.
		Actually, there is an unauthorized biography about me called Urigellar Magician or Mystic.
		It's not my book.
		And the publishers made sure to somehow find this picture, which is a current picture.
		And I trust Barak.
		And we came to a situation where there are people dying on both sides.
		Arabs and Israelis are dying all the time.
		Someone has to give.
		Someone has to be flexible.
		And I know lots of Israelis are going to be very angry at what I'm saying, and I'll probably get hate letters and so forth.
		But I believe, Art, that we have to give back land in order to secure long-lasting peace.
		And I fought there.
		I've seen my friends being blown up.
		I've seen my best friend fall to hold on his leg that just flew off him.
		And he died.
		And I've seen blood absorbed by that land.
		But today I say be flexible and give back land to obtain peace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What about the very high land?
		Would you give that back to Syria or would you wait?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		It is dangerous.
		I agree with you.
		You know, in 1967, well, I joined the Israeli paratroopers in 1965.
		And in 1966, believe it or not, one of my tasks was to patrol the kibbutzims, you know, those little communities under the Golan Heights.
		That's probably what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And it was so funny because, and so interesting to see the Syrians so high above me.
		And I was in my command car with a big Browning machine gun.
		And I said to myself, I mean, this gun is useless because these people, the enemy is above me.
		And it was really an interesting scene.
		Once a week, Art, a bus would come with prostitutes and they would sort of drop them in the bunkers for the Syrian soldiers.
		And we were sort of looking with binoculars and trying to see these women really close up.
		But it was always a threat.
		We always felt that there was someone so high above us that can destroy us.
		And that is a very, very interesting question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, if they had that land today, you do believe that you could coexist and that the terrible bombardment that could occur would not occur.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
		And I think gradually we'll have to give that land back.
		But you know, Art, having said that, unfortunately, weaponry today is so sophisticated.
		You know that Israel has nuclear weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're in the desert.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're all over the place.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I can guarantee you that there are small nuclear weapons right now attached to airplanes' wings, and they're ready to take off somewhere on a secret tarmart in an Air Force base in Israel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No doubt that.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		They're ready to take off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I'm sure there is that much on alert.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you know, a few years ago, this might come as a surprise to you, but I was actually asked by the American government, by Senator Clayburn Pell, who was the head of the American Foreign Relations Committee.
		He arranged me a secret meeting with Max Kempelman, who was the head of the nuclear negotiating team.
		They actually asked me to join them to Geneva when they were negotiating with the Russians.
		And my task was to bombard Yuli Vorontsov with positive thought waves to sign the nuclear treaty.
		And next to me stood Vice President Al Gore, the head of the CIA, and I just couldn't believe it that they asked me to do this.
		And Yuli Vorontsov was just across me.
		And I was just concentrating and saying, sign, sign, sign, because I'm totally and utterly against nuclear weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Eri, hold it right there.
		We'll be right back.
		We've got plenty of time, lots of ground to cover.
unidentified		Eri Geller is my guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		My guest is an Israeli, Farig Eller.
		He now lives in Great Britain, and he's here visiting the U.S., and I haven't even asked why yet.
		But he has much to tell us, and we haven't even really begun, so I suggest you stay right where you are.
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		Anyway, Eric Geller will be right back.
		Once again, Eric Geller, Eri, you said that you sat across from a man trying to influence him.
		You know what remote viewing is, of course.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, Art, years ago in 1972, in a way, I started the program for the American government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Very few people know that, but I was taken straight into Stanford Research Institute, and that's where it all started.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		It was funded by the American Defense Department.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Now, I have interviewed quite a number of remote viewers.
		In fact, almost all of the ones in the government program.
		And I ask them all about remote influencing.
		Very different than remote viewing, a step beyond remote viewing.
unidentified		True.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of them say, not possible.
		Others, I would say a majority, say, yes, it is possible.
		How do you influence the mind of another?
		And if you can do things like in front of reporters, you stopped a cable car in mid-air.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		True.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You stopped an escalator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you can do those kinds of things to those kinds of massive objects, then what can you do to a human mind?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I believe that you definitely can influence another mind.
		I would like to influence another mind positively, but when I was younger and very naive and gullible, I went along with what I was asked to do.
		I can tell you to all our listeners, I mean, next time you're in a supermarket standing in a line or you're flying in an aeroplane or you're in a bus, focus your eyes on the back of someone's head and say to them in your heart, in your mind, say to them, turn around, turn around, turn around.
		I can almost guarantee to you that eight out of ten times, that person will turn around and look at you.
		Now, we, this is my theory, I have absolutely no scientific explanation to it, but I know that we emit some kind of a frequency or a wave or a vibration from our brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I think it's exosensor perception.
		And with those waves, we can influence other minds.
		What scared me when I used to work for the CIA, I was asked to, for instance, erase floppy disks that KGB agents had chained to the wrists when they were flying out of Mexico City to Paris.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		To take another plane to Russia.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I had to influence the diplomatic pouches inside and erase those floppy disks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you do that?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and very successfully because I was continuously asked to do more and more and more.
		I've done some incredible things, and I did it for ideological reasons.
		I wasn't paid for it.
		But then one day, and I will not mention which government asked me to do it or what agency, but Art, I was taken to a laboratory.
		It was in a desert.
		And I was taken to a white room, and in the room was a pig.
		And the scientist looks at me and he says to me, I'm going to go and have lunch.
		You stay here with the pig.
		And by the time I come back, I want to see the pig dead.
		And I said, no, what are you talking about?
		He said, well, I would like to see if you can influence the heart of the pig.
		Now, you can imagine, Art, how that shocked me.
		First of all, I'm a great animal lover.
		I'm a vegetarian.
		I don't eat flesh at all because I'm against killing animals.
		And that horrified me.
		And I later on gradually understood that probably they wanted to see if the human mind can eliminate people because then they would ask super psychics to probably assassinate Julian Dropov, who was the head of the KGB.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Saddam Hussein, perhaps today, before he poisons the world in some way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you take somebody like Saddam Hussein, or back in history, Hitler, if it would be possible to burst a blood vessel in their head, for example, or cause their heart to begin to run out of control, I'm not asking you now if you would do it, but if it could be done.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I can't do it.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		There's no way my powers can activate that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		My only answer is that my ability or my belief system is attached to some universal law out there.
		And yes, maybe when I say it, it diminishes my credibility, but I sincerely believe that there is a higher governing force above me.
		And I won't call it God, but there is something out there that governs my abilities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then why didn't that same something then stop you before you pulled the trigger on that Jordanian soldier?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		I can't answer more honestly than this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's honest.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		You know, there are so many puzzles in my life that I'm searching for the answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We all are.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		We all are.
		You know, we all are looking for something, that bigger thing around the corner, true meaning of life.
		But I can tell you one thing, that throughout my career, I've influenced millions of people positively.
		Yes, in the early 70s, I was on an egotrip.
		I abandoned my friends.
		I was after fame and fortune.
		I was earning millions because, you know, I diverted my powers to finding oil and gold.
		And then I started writing my books and I became an addict.
		I was actually addicted to bulimia.
		I would walk into a restaurant, devour everything and then vomit.
		And it became an addiction.
		And I managed to stop it with again with the willpower, with the mind power.
		And this is why I can afford today to write books like Mind Medicine, which will basically help people change their lives for the better because I've been there.
		And I'm also in a position that, you know, I don't have to accumulate money anymore.
		Like you said, I have enough.
		I'm not a super millionaire.
		But, you know, I have just enough to live comfortably.
		Therefore, many of the royalties that I earn today from my books and my columns go to children's hospitals.
		You know, mentioning my columns, Art, just a few months ago, I actually wrote a column about you.
		I have a weekly column in the London Times.
		And I wrote a very nice column about you because I consider you a legend, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		So it's a privilege being on your show.
		You know, like you heard about me for so many years.
		I heard about you for 30 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is strange that our paths have not crossed until now, isn't it?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		But you see, there is a reason for everything.
		And here I am sitting today talking to you.
		And like I said, I don't think it's about plugging books.
		And it's about something different.
		It's about something with different facets and maybe higher dimensions.
		I would like to believe, Art, that someday you and I and all your listeners and your followers and your fans and your people who don't like you and people who love you will be united somehow and with the power of our minds,
		and I know this sounds fantasy now, and I know that some people will smile, but I hope that someday with the power of our brains, with our human potential, we will be able to neutralize nuclear weapons.
		This is a dream I have, but I think that it is somewhere shrouded in reality, and the day will come when that event will happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I tried seven massive experiments, Barry.
		They were very interesting experiments.
		Since I have such a big audience, millions of people.
		Yeah.
		And I guess it was perhaps foolish.
		But we had very arid areas in Florida that very badly needed rain.
		There was no forecast.
		I asked millions of people to concentrate on it.
		Within 24 hours, it was raining.
		Same in Texas.
		We tried again.
		Within 24 hours, actually less, there was rain when there was no forecast rain.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		So what you're saying to me, that the experiment worked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, in British Columbia, we did it.
		We did it with some people who were going to die.
		They had been given virtually a death sentence.
		All of them said they felt it.
		All of them are still alive.
		But, you know, Ray, it began to scare me, and I stopped because I'm not exactly sure what I'm toying with here.
		Some people would write to me and they'd say, stop the hurricane and conduct another experiment, do another experiment.
		Well, I thought, you know, I really don't know what the hell I'm doing.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, Art, what you are doing is basically what shamans did hundreds and maybe thousands of years ago.
		You know, the Red Indians were dancing to the rain and sort of influencing clouds to pour rain or to make sunshine and so forth.
		I think, Art, that when you are in command of millions of people who are listening or hundreds of thousands, you are really a catalyst.
		You are an enabler.
		You understand me?
		And what you do, you trigger the mind power of hundreds of thousands of people.
		And together, that is an immense power.
		So, you know, I became famous when I looked into the camera.
		It was on the BBC.
		And then a radio show.
		Actually, I was interviewed by a man called Jimmy Young.
		This is going back 28 years ago.
		And I bent his key, his producer's key, and actually he was arrested.
		The producer was arrested that night trying to break into his own house.
		And he had to be bailed the next morning because he tried to get in through the window.
		But on that show, something made me tell people to bring their broken watches to the radio set.
		And I said, one, two, three work, and the BBC's telephone system blew up.
		This is true.
		People were calling up in a panic that the watches that didn't work for years, they were grandfather clocks and pocket watches, 70, 80 years old, that watchmakers sent home that they can't fix, came alive.
		So for years I thought, wow, this is unbelievable.
		I possess a power that can fly through the airwaves, go through the television sets and radios and affect people at home.
		But I was wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it affected you, didn't it?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, of course.
		And I was wrong because it wasn't me.
		I was only the catalyst.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I said one, two, three.
		And you people now listening to me, I can almost guarantee you that if you go and bring your broken watches and broken clocks and some broken house appliance to the radio set while we speak in the next commercial, or you even put a spoon on the radio, and we are going to say one, two, three, work.
		You can try to even wind them up if they have winders.
		I will tell you that in most of your homes, your watches will start ticking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it was before I booked you to come on the program.
		I had a spoon.
		I brought a spoon in here, and I have a camera, you know, and people with computers, why, they can see me doing the program.
		And I brought a spoon in here and I said, come on, okay, let's give it a try.
		Somebody called and said, let's try it.
		And so I held the spoon here and I said, everybody out there concentrate on bending this spoon.
		And the damnedest thing happened, Erry.
unidentified		It didn't bend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The last thing I expected, it straightened.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		No, come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It straightened.
unidentified		What?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Did it have a curve and it straightened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, Art, I believe you.
		You're a credible person.
		But it's no big deal because this happens all the time.
		Now, the debate, you know that there are so many, well, first of all, you know that there's a minority of skeptics out there that for years tried to debunk me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know the amazing Randy.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've invited him on the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He won't come on my show.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I personally don't trust him.
		He's lied about me in his books.
		I mean, and by the way, maybe very few people know this, but he was found to be a liar by an American jury in an American court.
		Now, he's written the most horrible things about me.
		And that's when I said, wait a minute, I'm not going to take this.
		Because, you know, Art, I have two children.
		They're teenagers.
		And the last thing I want my kids is to read lies about their father.
		And when the skeptics saw that they can't sink me, they can't really debunk me, they started character assassination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, when I read in books that Uri Geller was convicted or Uri Geller was arrested, now that is over the top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Because not only that, I was never arrested, never convicted, I didn't even get a car park ticket in my life.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		So you understand what that does to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		It has to do with your conversation.
		It also happened to me.
		It also happened to me.
		So I know.
		When they finally cannot get to you in any other way, then they get to you with libel and slander.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And now it's one thing for skeptics not to believe in my power.
		Fine.
		It's your opinion.
		Don't buy my books.
		Don't watch me on television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like my show, hate my show.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't care.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		So I had to go through a major struggle.
		I had to take people to court.
		I had to sue.
		At the end of the day, the lawyers made the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do know.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Involved with the lawsuit.
		It's only the lawyers who win, really.
		But nowadays, skeptics know to be very careful what they say about me, because if they will libel me or damage me or defame me, they will end up in court.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the same thing I did.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Good for you, too, then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all you can do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your name is very important.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Especially, you know, Art, especially when you have children.
		Remember, your kids go to school.
		And sometimes these newspapers and some of the stories that are out there by skeptics can really influence your children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		It was the worst thing that can happen to a family.
		But that's it.
		But I'm over it now because, I mean, you know, let's face it, the skeptics are really losers.
		They're a tiny minority.
		Sooner or later, 10,000 years from now, spoon bending and telepathy.
		It's going to be a joke.
		Everybody will be doing it.
		I mean, you cannot today avoid the fact that exosensory perception happens to all of us every day.
		Look at the spirituality.
		Look at the healing that is happening around the world.
		Look at the awakening.
		I mean, you know, there's a movie called The Matrix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And in it, there is a scene that was inspired by me of spoon bending, where Keanu Reeves walks into a room and children teach him how to bend spoons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that, yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		There is a movie out called Now The Sixth Sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not yet seen it.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		So you see, the world is opening.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		The paranormal or the spirituality or the supernatural or the mysteries of the universe are becoming mainstream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's do it.
		We've got a break coming up.
		So you would ask people, gather watches.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you before the break, give me 30 seconds.
		All the people at home, go and get your broken watches, broken house appliances that are battery operated, broken clocks, bring a spoon along to the radio set.
		And after the commercial, I will run through a very simple one-minute experiment with you.
		And I think you will be amazed.
		And then, Art, if you can open up your phone lines, you'll get a few phone calls and see what happened in people's homes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I definitely can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's psychokinesis.
unidentified		It is.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And if you will allow me just to mention that my book is called Mind Medicine.
		The royalties are going to a children's hospital in England.
		And it's available, hopefully, in all bookshops, if not, then on Amazon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably amazon.com with a discount and bookstores.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		It's a fascinating book.
		And the other book is not mine.
		It's an unauthorized biography, but with an incredible conclusion.
		It's written by Jonathan Margolis, who is Time Magazine's European correspondent.
		And it'll answer all the skeptics, believe me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there.
		So an unauthorized biography that's kind of okay.
		Uri Giller is my guest.
		Get your clocks, your battery-operated appliances, and spoons, and be back here.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that you might understand who you're listening to.
		The following is from the UK news.
		Back in November of 96, Black might find it interesting.
		A man seeking a long-lost submarine learned the cost of ignoring the advice of Eric Geller, the psychic spoonbender, they call him, when he spent more than 1 million pounds looking in the wrong place.
		Eight years ago, Eric Geller pinpointed the exact location of the submarine sunk more than a century ago.
		But William Scanlon Murphy, skeptical of Geller's special powers, chose to ignore advice and instead financed a fruitless search an area 15 miles west of the actual location.
		Eventually, he gave up.
		Believing the wreck had been destroyed, it was only when a fishing trawler snagged its nets on the submarine, the world's first powered submarine, that the exact accuracy of Geller's advice emerged.
		He's Eri Geller, and he's with us tonight, and he'll be right back.
		Now, take a moment to go and gather watches that don't work, appliances that have ceased to function, spoons that you'd like to see take on a new shape.
		Get them together.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Assuming that you have rounded up the malfunctioning watches, these stopped toys and mechanisms and appliances and spoons and whatever I want to round, we have with us Uri Geller who's willing to give this a try.
		Now, what do we do?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here goes Art.
		But we all must remember this is a light-hearted experiment, but it is really astonishing if it works in your home.
		Now, first of all, to those people driving cars, don't take your eyes off the road.
		But if you have a broken component in your car, focus on it.
		Now, to the people at home, although your watches are broken, quickly wind them up.
		If at all they have winders, close your hands over the watches, and no matter how strange or bizarre or even comical this will look to you, I want you together with me on the count of three, to shout out, out loud, the word work.
		Truly believe that you yourself, with your mind power, will activate those broken watches.
		So we'll do it three times.
		Here it goes.
		And you shout the word work with me together, okay?
		One, two, three, work.
		One more time.
		One, two, three, work.
		And the last time.
		One, two, three, work.
		Now, people at home, open your hands.
		Look at the faces of your watches or clocks.
		If they have a second hand, look at it.
		Is it moving?
		If you don't have a second hand, lift the watches or the clocks to your ears right now and listen.
		Now, if anything happened to the spoon, whether it leaped off the radio or it bent slightly or any other strange event happened in your home, do let Art know this and call us.
		Now, to those who nothing happened to you, don't be disappointed because it doesn't happen all the time.
		It doesn't happen to everyone.
		But if something interesting happened, especially if an old watch started ticking, give us a call right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dari, call right now.
		You know what the numbers are, folks.
		But may I ask you why it works?
		Why does it work?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		You see, Art, I wish I knew.
		I can tell you one thing.
		Yes, there are a few watches that shake them or you warm them and all that.
		They will start ticking for a few minutes and stop.
		But I had thousands and thousands of reports from around the world, from people who told me that they took their watches and pocket watches and clocks to watchmakers many times.
		And the watchmaker sent them home, say, forget it.
		It's a broken part.
		It'll never work.
		Just keep it as a sentimental memento.
		I believe that when we say one, two, three work, we do unleash an energy and we visualize the watch working.
		And somehow, I don't know the technicality of it, but somehow that energy penetrates the watch and fixes it.
		It's that simple.
		And it's actually quite amazing because some of the reaction is just staggering from people.
		So now, if your phone lines are, we're not busy from before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, don't worry about that.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Then you will get calls.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		So I just hope that your lines weren't occupied before the experiment by just people trying to call us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we'll just, what we'll do is we'll begin taking random calls.
		But I guess in a lot of movies, I've seen this, people like yourself who have the power that you have or are able to bring forth in people, they will always ask, from where does this power come?
		Does it come from God?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, Art, I believe that all talents come from God.
		You're a presenter, your talent comes from God.
		A taxi driver, his talent, his job comes from God.
		So ultimately, because I'm religious, because I believe that there is a Creator out there that created us, I would like to believe that, yes, this is a gift.
		But having said that, many of my books, you know, I write, you know, by the way, I write both fiction and non-fiction.
		Actually, my second novel, Ella, is about a 14-year-old girl who is abused at home and bullied in school, and she suddenly develops supernatural powers.
		But in my how-to books, I tell people: look, we all have this force.
		It is dormant in our mind.
		We can awaken it, we can exercise it, and we can harness it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that too.
		All right, well, fine.
		Let's take some calls.
		First time caller online, you're on the air with Eric Geller and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
unidentified		This is Robert out in Kalapana, Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hi there.
unidentified		Yeah, hey.
		Okay, I have two, one's a clock.
		It's like this antique clock, beautiful.
		I wouldn't throw it away because it has base-relief statues like these angels and fairies on both sides.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Very colorful with all these flowers and a big sunflower around it.
		And it's just an art piece.
		And I swear it started ticking.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And you're actually calling from Hawaii?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		That's amazing.
		But you know, Art.
		Let me answer this.
		By the way, what's your name?
unidentified		I'm Robert.
unidentified		And Yuri, I am so happy to speak with you because I read your book, and this was my story with no space between the two words.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is a long time ago.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		28 years ago.
unidentified		That was my first read.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		But tell me, Robert, when this watch started ticking, were you amazed?
unidentified		Or what was your reaction?
unidentified		I was totally amazed because I've done so many things to try to make it work and everything.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it really just began working.
unidentified		Yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Robert, you owe me $1 now.
unidentified		Earlier, and nothing would happen and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uri says you owe a buck.
unidentified		I'm joking.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I'm joking, send it back to a charity in Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, send it to your favorite charity at a wildcard line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Uri Geller and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		It's me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Beggar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's you.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Well, this is Rick and Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Rick.
unidentified		Yeah, and, well, when Yuri said to go look for a watch, I went looking for a rather cheap broken watch that I didn't know if I would be able to find it, and I didn't find it.
		Instead, I found another watch that I had stuffed away maybe 10 years ago.
		I had completely forgotten about it, a much more valuable watch, but I had gotten it saltwater damaged in Hawaii, and I'd pretty much given up on it.
		And it's working.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		You know, Art, this is interesting.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Reno.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And you say that you damaged it in Hawaii?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		The call before you, because Art was saying that he's taking random calls, the call before you was actually from Hawaii.
unidentified		Yes, I did hear that.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		So that's synchronicity for you.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And so now it's ticking, right?
unidentified		Yes, it is.
unidentified		You've got a knowledge.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		You know, you've got a big gadget now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, sir.
		Hold it.
		One at a time.
		One at a time.
		Caller?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were you saying?
unidentified		Well, to be honest with you, it began ticking shortly before he began the experiment.
unidentified		But I found it somewhat a matter of synchronicity that I found this watch that I wasn't even thinking about, that I'd totally forgotten that I still had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, there's a very good point.
		Uri, in other words, it began ticking before we even did the 1, 2, 3 work three times.
		But is it not possible that the mind itself, which is really doing all this anyway, simply went to work on it the moment we began talking of it?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course, of course.
		I get many reports that before the person goes to the drawer, and I had a woman just a couple of days ago that had an 85-year-old pocket watch, and she took it three times to the watchmaker, and the watchmaker sent it back, telling her, forget it.
		It'll never tick.
		And it was in a wardrobe.
		And when I came on the air and told people to go and get the watches, she couldn't find it.
		And finally, when she found it before the experiment, she opened the drawer and it was under some, I don't know, t-shirts, and it was ticking.
		So it's definitely possible that the mind goes to work before the actual experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think so.
		The moment you begin considering it, it's kind of like ghost and poltergeist.
		Somehow they seem to come to those who consider the proposition of them.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and you know another possibility, Art Qui, that we are really dealing with no time, meaning that maybe the present and the past and the future is happening right now at the same moment.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I know it's a bit complicated to understand, but that is a possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's continue on the phones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on here with Eric Geller and Art Bell.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
unidentified		It's a pleasure to speak to both of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm calling from New York City.
		All right.
		I actually was trying the spoon thing to bend the spoon, and I was wondering if I should put it over the stereo or put it over the speaker.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, I usually tell people to put it on the radio.
unidentified		On the stereo.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because some reports, when I say some, thousands of people call up and write me and email me that actually a spoon leaps off the radio set.
		It's more rare, but it definitely happens.
		And that is really far out to see.
		Can you imagine suddenly the spoon takes off and just jumps off?
		Yeah, so it is a possibility.
		So while we're still on, you know, try to do it.
		Maybe it will happen to you.
		Thanks for calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So who did that?
		Who did that?
		If the spoon jumps off the radio, did you do that or did you facilitate it?
		Did the person sitting there in front of that radio do it?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		The person sitting at home does it.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Not me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I thought.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I'm a catalyst, Art.
		I'm an enabler.
		I started this.
		You realize, Art, that when I came on the scene, well, first of all, I discovered this power when I was a small child.
		But when I became sort of world famous because of my TV shows, again, I thought that it was me doing it until at UCLA, the University of Los Angeles, a scientist, Dr. Thelma Moss, videotaped me and fixing broken watches.
		And I went back to New York, and then she played that videotape to students who came with broken timepieces.
		And lo and behold, from the video, the watches started ticking.
		And I was really disappointed and angry.
		I said, how come?
		I'm in New York.
		How can a video do it?
		And that's when it dawned on me that it wasn't really me.
		It was I was, again, I was the trigger.
		It's the people's mind that unleashed the power.
		And this is why, these are trivial things, but that's why I believe that within us, we have human potential, enormous one.
		We can also heal.
		Parallel to medicine, never abandon medicine.
		That's dangerous.
		So you've got to see your doctor, you've got to listen to the conventional medicine.
		But parallel to conventional medicine, you've got a force in your mind which can be activated for healing purposes.
		And that is what Mind Medicine, my latest book, is about.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Uri Geller and Art Bell.
		Turn off your radio, please.
		All right, welcome to the show.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Gallatin, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're going to have to yell at us a little bit.
		You're not too loud.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		I think we fixed a TV tube.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A TV tube?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		My daughter's television said the TV tube has been getting old and it's turning green.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And I went into her bedroom and turned it on and sat there and watched it.
		And I couldn't shout because everybody in the house is asleep.
		But I shouted in my mind.
		And every time, the three times you've done it, the picture seemed to get clearer and clearer.
		So we'll wait and see what happens.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		Tell me, Eri, many times, what happens later?
		Do the watches, again, stop?
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it a delivery?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Most watches are that are fixed through the airwaves or television or radio are fixed for good.
		Yes, you will find those ones that will suddenly just tick for half an hour and then stop.
		By the way, you know that I stopped the Big Ben twice.
		And you know, the Big Ben, that's a huge clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's huge, all right.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I got a lot of hate letters from England, you know, that I shouldn't touch it because it's sort of a, you know, heritage and it's a monument that presents England.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		But it's interesting how, for instance, a few years ago when England played Scotland in soccer, I was actually asked to help England beat Scotland.
unidentified		Were you really?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so they put me in a helicopter hovering over Wembley.
		That's where the match played.
		And Scotland got a penalty shoot.
		So their main player, the captain, put the ball down, a guy called Gary McAllister.
		And I concentrated in the helicopter, and I swear to you, Art, and this is filmed by hundreds of cameras.
		The ball moved away from his leg, from being a stationary ball, and he missed the penalty.
		So you can imagine how angry Scotland were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can imagine, and Big Ben is nothing compared to affecting a soccer game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You weren't responsible for the behavior of the English in the last World Cup in France, were you?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope not, because I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you were there?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		But just to complete Art, the story about England and Scotland, just a week ago, Scotland called me, and they said, UI, you have to help us because they are going to play England in about two weeks.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		So I'll find myself hovering in a helicopter this time helping Scotland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose you could put yourself out to the highest bidder.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's what you used to do, huh?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I have to be neutral.
		I helped England, now I'm going to help Scotland.
		And it's fun, you know, but it really does help because, once again, it's the masses.
		It's the millions of people.
		When Brazil played in Los Angeles against Italy, and Baggio was going to score a penalty, I visualized 80 million Brazilians sending him these four twelves to miss.
		And he kicked the ball, and it actually went out of control, and he missed the penalty.
		So I believe it was the millions of Brazilians that influenced Baggio to miss the penalty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really could get in trouble for that kind of thing, Eric.
		Hold it right there.
		The rest of the world's very sensitive about their soccer.
		Really sensitive.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AI.
unidentified		Her hair is hollow gold.
		The left-sweet sky.
		Her hands are never cold.
		She's got better days inside.
		She's kind of using guns.
		You won't have to think twice.
		She's your New York snow.
		She's got better days inside.
		And she hears you.
		She won't hear you.
		How is that just to please you?
		She's close, yeah?
		She's close, yeah?
		If only you believe my God, if you believe my God, believe it, God.
		If only you believe in believing in me,
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe in miracles?
		Prayer, what we're doing right now?
		Do you think they're the same thing?
		We'll ask a little bit about that.
unidentified		Oh, just a couple of quick questions for Uri Geller, then we're back to the phones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uri, if you could make a watch start, can you make a watch stop?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, I did stop the Big Ben.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the answer is yes, then.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		But most of the time, I'm well known for fixing broken watches.
		And, you know, Art, in the late 60s, when I left the paratroopers and started performing, it was just unbelievable.
		There were hundreds of people who were hauling in not only watches to my performances, but grandfather clocks, broken dishwashers, broken air conditions.
		It was unbelievable.
		And they would all sort of put it on the stage.
		And because the watches were broken anyhow, people were throwing it onto the stage.
		And I had to duck broken watches and clocks coming flying towards me.
		And it was really a funny but mystical experience when I had this mountain of broken timepieces on the stage and everyone together with me in the auditorium, we said, one, two, three, work.
		And they came alive.
		And that's what made me famous because it was such a bizarre act.
		There was nothing like that before I came on the scene.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You mentioned football, translation, soccer in Europe.
		And incidentally, you're not messing with the baseball team down in Atlanta, are you?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, I was actually, I spent a day with Miami Heat, you know, the basketball team in Israel, actually just a few days ago.
		And I'm sorry that the Mets didn't ask me to help them in New York because I was there that day that they lost.
		And I tell you, if they would have allowed me to walk into the dressing room for two minutes to psych up the players, they would have won.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a story here from the BBC News April 29th.
		And it says, Glenn Hoddle is to sue Erry Geller over his claims in a Sunday newspaper that the England coach visited him at his home to seek his help.
		Ray Geller's article claimed the meeting took place at his Berkshire mansion a couple of years ago.
		Yes.
		And so he was going to sue you.
		He was at that point seeking legal advice.
		Did he sue you?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
		Because it is true that he did come to my house.
		Let me just explain.
		Glenn Hodel was a coach of England.
		Not a big deal, you know.
		But what he did, he also asked the help of a faith healer called Eileen Drury.
		Now, in which is very unusual and very rare that a coach of a country is asking a faith healer to heal his players.
		It's okay to do it in private, but don't announce it to the world press.
		Now, Glenn Hoddle and Eileen Drury visited my home, and she actually did a healing session on me.
		It was very interesting because she's a faith healer.
		Nevertheless, Glenn Hodell was asked in a press conference about Uri Geller, and he flatly denied coming to my house.
		And I was really angry because it made me look like a liar.
		And, you know, it was front-page news, and my children went to school, and they came back home and said, you know, father, these papers are saying that you're a liar, that Glenn Hodell says that he never visited your home.
		And I was furious.
		Obviously, he didn't sue me because it was true.
		He did come to my house with Eileen Drury.
		And that was the end of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, dropped and forgotten.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Eric Geller and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Art, unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I am in El Granada, California, south of San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I just got home, came in the door, got online, got the phone number, and started calling.
		I was coming back from a late-night jam session with some buddies.
		Got a Nissan Pathfinder, and the fog light hasn't been working for over a month.
		And it's like a little separate switch in the light stock.
		So I turned it to the on position, and it still wasn't working.
		I did the first work, nothing happened.
		The second one, like the instant I said it, the light flickered.
		The third one stayed on.
		And then I flicked the switch probably another 20 times, and it worked every single time.
		It was unbelievable.
		I'm freaked out.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		By the way, what's your name?
unidentified		Oh, it's Silwan.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And where are you calling from exactly?
unidentified		El Granada, California.
unidentified		It's probably about 23 miles south of San Francisco.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that's amazing.
		That's great.
		You see, Art, with nothing else, I save a lot of money to people.
		He doesn't have to take his car to be fixed, you know.
		And so many thousands of watches are ticking now.
		So I bet that the Watchmaker Association are really going to be upset at me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet they are.
		Well, listen, you know, people have said this to me.
		Are you ever going to take the next step?
		And when I mean the next step, fixing watches is one thing.
		Bending spoons is something else again.
		Moving things through the air is very interesting.
		But what about our real problems in the world, our social issues, our environment?
		In other words, are you tempted at all to go beyond to begin to tackle some of the very difficult issues in the world?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, Art, what I've demonstrated tonight is actually, you asked me to do it.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I don't do it anymore because it is rather trivial, but it is astonishing and fascinating because it proves that the power of the mind really works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it means more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it means that more could be done.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		Well, I am doing a lot of interesting work that I cannot talk about.
		You must understand, this is a very sensitive issue.
		I can tell you that I meet a lot of politicians, A lot of interesting officials in very high positions.
		I meet prime ministers and presidents.
		I can't drop names because it will damage their reputation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you affect the outcome of an election?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, believe me, I've been asked to do that and I refuse because that is not me.
		That would not be fair.
		But I do work where I gel people together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but I didn't ask you, would you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, could you?
unidentified		Yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		If I get on television and, you know, I know that I have 15 or 20 or 30 million viewers.
		I mean, some of my performances are watched by 48 million people.
		I just came back from Japan.
		Tens and tens of millions of people watched me.
		Obviously, it's the same thing like you and your listeners did to the rain.
		You unite millions of minds together.
		And when that happens, a huge surge of energy materializes.
		And that power can influence votes.
		Of course it can be done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uri, that power, should we be using it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that we should be using it for environmental reasons?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I am very concerned about the destroying of planet Earth.
		So am I. You know, I have a very big website, probably like yours, but mine is an educational website.
		It's a non-commercial one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we have a link, by the way.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
		By the way, if you'll allow me to mention it, it's www.urigeller1word.com.
		And on the front page, I tell people that, hey, wake up.
		We are killing our planet.
		And when I say that, you know, the pollution is immense.
		There are still diseases raging.
		Political situations are awful.
		As we speak, there are wars raging.
		Small wars, but they're going on.
		Then there is the destroying of our environment.
		So my dream, I told you that almost in the beginning of the program, is that someday to unite everyone together, not necessarily me, it could be you.
		It could be David Bowie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be anybody.
		Do you believe there is a collective consciousness?
		Do you believe that a suggestion can be made to that collective consciousness?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, a suggestion could be made, almost a subliminal suggestion can be made to our universal consciousness, which is valid and tangible.
		And doing that, we can turn things around.
		It's very hard for me to explain right now how it works, but I believe it could work.
		The problem is art.
		We don't get the opportunity to do it because the world is run by mega corporations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		The world is run by probably people who want wars because we're talking about thousands of billions of dollars in business.
		I question and I bring up the same question.
		Edgar Mitchell is my friend.
		He walked on the moon.
		He was the sixth man to walk on the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know him.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And yet, we planted a man on the moon, we brought them back, but we cannot cure cancer.
		I do not accept that.
		I cannot believe that with our technology, with our medical advancement, with the huge leaps in technology, that we cannot cure it.
		There must be a block somewhere.
		So there is, in my opinion, and look, again, this is my opinion, there is almost an invisible world conspiracy not to allow these things to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		I agree.
		Uri, the powers that we're talking about right now, are they the same as the powers of prayer?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I will have to say yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		The powers of prayer today are being validated in very important places like Yale and Princeton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And you know very well, Art, that there are experiments, scientific experiments, where they take two groups of people who are sick.
		One group is prayed for, the other is not.
		Actually, just yesterday, I saw it on one of the news Reuters, the UPI, that the power of prayer works.
		If you pray for someone and that someone doesn't even know that he's being prayed for, it works.
		It works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're proving it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scientifically, you're absolutely right.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In control groups.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		In control groups.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're doing some other work, too, at Princeton that involves the mind affecting random number generators, and they are proving that it can be done.
		And I have done it, Hurry.
		I've got the program.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I believe you.
		I mean, Professor Jan, for 11 years, and this is Princeton University.
		We're not talking about a small parapsychological association here.
		This is a mega university, a prestigious conservative place.
		This professor for 11 years, not for one month, because I was tested at Stanford for just maybe six months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did that come out?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		You mean my test?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they were, you know, I did the test under laboratory control conditions, so no one can say, oh, I hoodwinked the scientists.
		Some skeptics still say that, but so what?
		But my tests were published in Nature magazine, the most prestigious scientific magazine in the world, and that was enough for me to be validated.
		But going back to Princeton, you know, here is a man for 11 years took ordinary human beings, not urigalers, and he discovered that ordinary people, like everyone out there, could influence random numbers on computers.
unidentified		And that validated PK, psychokinesis.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Now, it's very hard today to take this power And use it in tangible manners, in constructive manners, because it's just the beginning.
		But I guarantee you that 25,000 years from now, we will be using telepathy and we will be using psychokinesis.
		And probably 100,000 years from now, there will be no more aeroplanes.
		You will walk into some kind of a tank, you will press a button, your body will dematerialize from Los Angeles and appear in Sydney, Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		IBM is working on it now.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Of course, and it'll happen.
		Some scientists, I'm working now with someone called Professor Brian Josephson, who's actually a Nobel Prize physicist.
		He won a Nobel Prize for physics.
		And he believes that the spoon bending is actually quantum mechanics.
		It's very, very interesting.
		So I'm learning a lot, Art.
		For years and years, I was always fascinated and amazed by my powers.
		I was astonished by the reaction of people.
		But I'm beginning to learn now that maybe there is an unexplained science to what I do and to what other people do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the average citizen would always say, the skeptic would always say, well, if he has these powers, then why isn't he rich?
		Why didn't he make a lot of money in the stock market or gold or silver or something like that?
		But you did, didn't you?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		I mean, I'm a millionaire today.
		I don't want to sound boasting, but I made enough money.
		I actually, in the mid-70s, diverted my powers to find oil.
		And they opened maps in front of me, and I said, okay, this is where I feel it is.
		Then we flew over with airplanes and helicopters, and I was successful.
		I've been in this many times.
		I was also very young and gullible then.
		And I remember the Mexican president sent me up with a helicopter with some Mexican geologists.
		And I pointed up at a place in the Gulf of Mexico, and I marked it on the map with a little X. And a year and a half later, I read in the Financial Times that they found the biggest offshore oil there.
		And I laugh today because all I got out of it was a Mexican passport.
		The president made me a Mexican citizen.
unidentified		Did you really?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as an honor, you know, and my passport is number one.
		No one ever got a Mexican passport without being born in Mexico.
		I would rather give that passport back to them, get some royalties out of the oil coming out of the sea there.
		But again, I knew when I had enough.
		I want to be with my family.
		Today I live in a small village with my wife and my children and my friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And I write my book, I write my columns.
		Sometimes I travel around the world promoting my books.
		And I'm happy.
		I have managed to create peace of mind around me.
		And this is where I come from, Art.
		And I think in a strange way, we are very similar.
		Don't you agree?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do agree.
		Do you feel like you have done the bulk of what you have wanted to accomplish?
		You have accomplished.
		And now you're living your life.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, Art, I don't think anyone comes to perfection, even near perfection.
unidentified		That's right.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I, like you and like all of our listeners, we are all the time searching.
		We all the time feel that there's something big around the corner, something that can change our life even further.
		Something positive, something awesome.
		And we are in a journey.
		We are a constant journey all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that?
		Something big around the corner.
		Something big is coming.
		Do you believe that?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, I do.
		And I think something very positive and mega is coming towards us, something good, something wonderful.
		And I hope that we will be ready to accept that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope it's something good.
		I hope it's something wonderful.
		All I know is it's something big, and it's coming.
		I hope your optimism is justified.
		Listen, we're coming to the top of the hour.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've got a million calls, and we can either continue for another hour if you're awake, or it's up to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I always ask.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Or I'll tell you what, because I admired you, I'm going to stay with you for another hour.
unidentified		Good.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Then I'm going to go to sleep.
		So I'm with you for another hour.
		I love being with you, and I love being with your listeners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Done.
		Hurry, stay right there.
		Hurry Giller is my guest.
		I'm Art Bell from the high desert of Great American Southwest, where it's finally beginning to cool off a little bit.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Though I would not give you false hope on a straight mournful day, but the other children is only emotionally.
		Oh, I'm living both.
		I care for the life of me.
		Remember a Saturday I know that you're a good boy I know that you're a good boy I know that you're a good boy I know that you're a good boy I know that you're a good boy I know that you're a good boy I know that you're a good boy I know that you're a good boy I know that you're a good boy I know that you're a good boy Sweet dreams are made of me.
		You disappoint me.
		I travel the world and I've never seen everybody that's looking for something.
		Some of them want to use you.
		Some of them want to get used by you.
		Some of them want to abuse you.
		Some of them want to be of you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's what you make of it that counts.
		Ray Geller is here with us this night.
		And he'll be right back.
		Oh, I almost interrupted my infamous stinger.
		I can't do that.
		Listen, I am trying at the last moment to see if I can get the attention of Jane Seymour, who, of course, was in somewhere in time.
		As you know, I'm going to somewhere in Time reunion at Nackinaw Island in Michigan.
		It's going to be a plane flight.
		You ought to check the weather forecast for the Northwest.
		There is the mother of all storms coming in, so I don't know what's going to happen.
		We'll see.
		I thought it'd be a real kick to get Jane Seymour on the air and just talk to her a few minutes about Somewhere in Time.
		It's such a very special, special movie for me.
		So if you have any influence with Jane Seymour, I'm making my back-channel calls already, but any of you have any influence with her, I'd sure love to have her here tomorrow night for a few minutes.
		All right, back to you, Murray Geller.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Actually, Art, let's all influence her right now to get on your show tomorrow.
unidentified		Come on, let's give it a 15-second try.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Come on, Jane Seymour.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Get on our bell tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, everybody, give it just a few intense moments of thought for me here.
		Come on, Jane.
		All right, listen, I've got a fax here.
		It says, would you please ask her to describe, this is very interesting, the first use and what happened after you did when you influenced gambling venture at a casino near London 12 to 18 years ago?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, that was the first time that I believed I abused my powers.
		You see, Art, once again, I came from a very poor family and we had nothing when I was a child.
		I lived with my mother in a one-room apartment.
		So when I started traveling the world, I decided one day to walk into a London casino.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense to me.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		And try to influence the roulette table.
		And what I did is I stood by the sort of turning roulette.
		Now I either predicted on which number the ball will fall or with PK I made it fall on the number I put my money on.
		And in a few hours, I walked out of the casino with 17,000 pounds sterling, which today would have been about $27,000, $28,000.
		And that was a lot of money for me then.
		And they were all in rubber bands, and I put them in my black coat.
		And the next morning, I was driven in a limousine to promote a record that I did.
		Believe it or not, I cut a record at that time.
		I'm not a singer, so I talked, you know, through the songs.
		And on the way to this radio station, suddenly, I was sitting in this limousine, a Daimler, which had a compartment behind, which means there was a divider between me and the driver, a glass divider.
		And suddenly, out of nowhere, I heard a voice shouting in my head.
		And I panicked.
		I thought I was going insane.
		It was pounding.
		It was screaming.
		And it was almost like a huge anxiety attack.
		And I panicked.
		And I broke the glass between me and the driver.
		And I grabbed his jacket from behind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By now he's panicked.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I started shaking him, and I shouted, stop the car, stop the car.
		And luckily, he sort of swung the car off the road.
		And suddenly, the door opened, almost like an invisible hand opened it.
		And in Art, I was thrown out of the car with such force, it almost embedded me into the ground.
		The whole event lasted for maybe, I don't know, 20 seconds.
		And then it suddenly stopped.
		And I had a strange reaction.
		I ran into the gas station and I started flicking through magazines and newspapers.
		I was embarrassed.
		Then I walked back to the car and I told the driver to continue driving.
		I lowered the window of the car and Art, I threw out 17,000 pounds out of the window.
		And that's what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nest message for Uri, huh?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember what was being yelled at you, what was being conveyed to you?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't a voice or a sound that I could decipher.
		It was a shout.
		And, you know, obviously, I thought it was like God was telling me something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something like greed!
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was awful.
		It was awful.
		It never happened to me again.
		And you know, Art, in my life, some events happen to me that diminish my credibility when I talk about it.
		But, Art, I have to stick to the truth.
		And there are certain events in my life that I will not turn away from.
		And another astonishing thing that occurred to me in Manhattan, and I'm going to tell it to you exactly the way it occurred, and to your listeners out there, please believe me that it is true.
		I was coming back from Bloomingdale with a binocular in my hand that I bought for a doctor as a gift.
		I went up to the apartment of Maria Janice Cooper, who is my best friend still today.
		She's Gary Cooper's daughter, and she's married to a very famous classical pianist called Byron Janice.
		I stayed with them for a while, and then I said, I'm going to jog back to my apartment, which was on 57th and 1st Avenue.
		And it took maybe eight minutes to jog from Park Avenue to my apartment.
		Now, a few yards before I reached the canopy of my entrance, you know, in New York you have this canopy stretching out to the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I suddenly look at the pavement and I see that I'm no longer on the pavement.
		And the next thing I remember is I was hurled through the air and something was rushing towards my face and obviously I wanted to protect my head and I sort of stretched my hands and I crushed through some metal mesh, fell on a round table, on the floor.
		I actually hurt my knee and it took me a few minutes to realize where I was, Art.
		Where were you?
		And I was on the floor in a porched room 36 miles out of Manhattan in a house that belonged to a scientist called Andrei Poharich.
		And there I was.
		Now, he found me.
		It took him five.
		I was shouting, Andrea, Andrea, because I recognized the porch.
		And he found me.
		It took him minutes to locate me.
		And you asked me what happened.
		I can't explain you this thing.
		In one second, I was in Manhattan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could he explain it?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		He suspected that maybe I was tricking him and there was snow outside.
		So his first reaction was to go out to the garden to look for footprints.
		Of course.
		And this is a summer porch which was sealed with a thin metal, you know, sort of a mesh to keep out flies and insects.
		And that was torn from the outside.
		The glass on the table was on the floor, broken.
		And you know when it dawned on me the severity of this event was when it drove me back to Manhattan in his daughter's Volkswagen.
		That's when I realized, my God, what happened was that I just, in no time, suddenly materialized, or whatever you want to call it, bilocated, into Osening, New York.
		And when I wrote about it in my first book, in my story, which actually one of your listeners brought up, it really damaged me because people said, this is too much, Geller.
		You know, bending spoons and reading minds is one thing.
		But you are telling us that, what, to believe you, that you dematerialized from Manhattan and appeared in Austin in New York?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're not really different things, though, are they?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		But they happened.
		This thing occurred to me.
		What am I going to hide it?
		Am I going to avoid talking about it?
		Because other people will make fun out of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, and I think all this power and all these things we're talking about come from one single source, whatever that is.
		I'm very hesitant to say what it is.
		I don't know.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		You know, Art, there is a very slight similarity in your website and mine is that I use the SETI at Home screensaver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you use SETI at home?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's my screensaver.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		It's on 24 hours a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Team Art Bell is now number one in the world.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you by a long shot, as a matter of fact.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that one day we may get the signal, we may make contact, or do you think they're here now?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, the reason I brought this up, because I wanted to ask you, Art, before I tell you my answer or what I believe in, what do you think?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that we are visited by craft or by UFOs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that some of the stories about abductions are true?
		Do you think that extrastrials are among us?
		I'd like to hear from you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I believe, huh?
		Yes, I think we're being visited.
		I have seen craft do things that have no earthly explanation.
		So, yes, I believe we are being visited.
		I've talked to many people who have been abducted, and I believe some of them, and I don't believe some of them.
		So the answer is yes, to really all of it.
		I rather believe it to be true more than not.
		The old Occam's razor thing.
		I think it's the most likely explanation that life is very abundant everywhere.
		And so there's every reason to believe that we may be watched.
		We have not yet really been contacted, but we're watched.
		I think we're watched.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, Art, my answer is almost identical to yours.
		You know, it's hard to believe that all the sightings are true stories, but forget all the sightings.
		Let's concentrate on 1%.
		If 1% is real, then we are being visited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll give you a real one.
		Just before the program began, I got news from the UFO Reporting Center up in Seattle that two aircraft, large, heavy 747-type aircraft, in the southern tier of the U.S. have just reported seeing a gigantic, their word, gigantic triangle doing an immense speed.
		This was seen by two commercial aircraft crews at the same time.
		Hurry.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is interesting art because this doesn't happen every day.
		You realize it's not from two 747s.
		But in Israel, in my performances, when I did my shows in movie theaters, because there were no big auditoriums in Tel Aviv, so they always waited to the end of the movie, and then my performance came on.
		There were many times sightings of triangular shapes in the sky.
		Now, this is very interesting that did you actually hear about it today, before today's show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, about 10 minutes before the program began.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		That's far out because maybe there is a connection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the reason that we're not saying exactly where it was, we're just saying the southern shear of the U.S. is because we want the FAA tapes, and we're working on getting those now.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		That'll be great, but I many times wonder, Art, that is it possible that our powers, our energies, the force that we sometimes have, and I have it all the time, most of the time, it could be that it is coming from an extraterrestrial source.
		And maybe there is a tiny baby extraterrestrial somewhere in a UFO in the universe that is playing around with me.
		and these trivial, strange abilities that I have are actually triggered by the mind of an extraterrestrial.
		Now, that is a possibility.
		I cannot shut the door to the fact that maybe that is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's one more possible truth.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And what is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That we are creating, we are manifesting these things ourselves.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Meaning the UFOs, the craft, and the aliens, and the extraterrestrials are a creation of our imagination?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Or is it coming from inner space, from within our brains?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From within our brains, Ari.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just like the things that you can do.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I agree with you because, remember, in the beginning of the program, I said that I know and I believe that infinity exists.
		Therefore, infinity in outer space is no end, and in inner space, infinity, there is no end.
		And maybe in those inner infinities, there are galaxies, there are universes.
		And some of these crafts come from within us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have a lot of calls, and I better get to them or I'll be in trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Uri Geller.
unidentified		Hello, this is Fritz from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Fritz.
unidentified		Uri, or better said, Mr. Ambassador, it is such a pleasure to hear you on Coast to Coast on the Adbel Show.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And you have single-handedly raised the consciousness of this planet by a few notches back in the 70s when you have made your appearances all over the planet.
		But you're now reaching a new generation, and that generation has very little knowledge with your connection with the visitors.
		So please tell us a little bit about Spectra, your experience in the desert.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Art, in 1972, when Dr. Ander Puharich came to test me in Israel, the American Defense Department sent him through Edgar Mitchell and Hal Putos, Rashtag.
		It was all paid by the government, the test.
		And he watched me.
		I mean, at that time, in 1972, I was finished in Israel.
		I was a superstar from 69 to 71.
		But because I'm not a magician art, I couldn't change my act.
		And I found myself in 1972 performing in nightclubs.
		It was awful.
		I was finished.
		I was destroyed.
		And Puharic was sitting there looking at me.
		And then he called me to his table.
		And he said to me, look, Laurie, what I've seen you do, any magician can do with tricks.
		But I want you to demonstrate this under my controlled condition.
		And I liked Andrea.
		He looked like an Einstein.
		And during the tests with Puharic, the most incredible phenomena happened.
		He would put a tape recorder, a new tape.
		He brought his own Sony tape recorder from the United States with brand new tape that was covered with seller taper.
		He would peel it open, put the tape in the recorder to tape me.
		And instead, suddenly, in front of our eyes, and there were some Mossad agents there too who witnessed this, the buttons of the tape recorder would be pressed almost like an invisible hand pushed the button.
		And a very strange voice would come out.
		And it would identify itself as Spectra, as Rhombus.
		It was so strange.
		I had very hard difficulty in believing Andrea.
		I thought he was tricking me.
		But my relationship with Andrea got more involved.
		And then he wrote this incredible book called Uri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hurry, Hurry, hold it right there.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		I could read my love.
		What a tale my thoughts could tell.
		Just like an old time movie about a ghost from a wish him well.
		In a castle dark or a fortress strong with chains upon my feet.
		You know that ghost is me.
		And I will never be set free as long as I'm a ghost you can see.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's who we are and more.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Uri Geller is my guest, and he'll be back with you.
		And I promise, we'll lay into the phones heavily in this segment.
		We're just about to go directly to the phones, but one very important question for Uri Giller, and that is, I can't let you get away tonight without talking about life after death, whether you believe that we continue, our consciousness as we understand it continues.
		What happens to us when we die, Uri?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe that energy cannot be destroyed, Art.
		Einstein said that.
		He proved that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is true.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And we all know that besides our flesh and bones and blood, there is something inside our body, and that is energy.
		I would like to call it our soul, our spirit.
		That spirit, that soul, survives death.
		It goes to the other side.
		And because I believe in God, I would like to Feel that our souls either go to heaven or paradise, whatever you want to call it, or our spirit reincarnates into a newborn child, or we turn into angels, or we stay and haunt a place.
		And those are the possibilities that are waiting for our spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is one more possibility.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And what is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolute blackness.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Meaning that life ceases absolutely?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That the energy is not destroyed.
		Of course it is not.
		But that it is simply dispersed.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but, Art, you just said a few minutes ago that sometimes these forces or these visitations come from inside us, correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may be, yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Now, how much can you disperse energy?
		There will be a molecular, tiny little minuscule, little energy going somewhere.
		Where is it going to travel to?
		Now, it is possible that within that little molecular minuscule point of energy, there is memory that has been embedded into the framework, the fabric of that little point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And that goes somewhere.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		That will continue to travel in the infinite spaces until it'll find a home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe as you do, I just thought I would throw in that for all the people that would otherwise call and do so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Erie Geller.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, I'm Colin from Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Eri.
unidentified		It's a pleasure to talk to you.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I'd like to let you both know my watch did start.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And I did have the pleasure of working with you on stage once at one of your performances.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And we did some levitation together back in the 70s.
unidentified		My goodness.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		How old were you then?
unidentified		Oh, I must have been 17 or 18.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Amazing.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Can you remember which auditorium it was or where?
unidentified		It was in Southern California in an area called Oxnard, California.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I remember that.
unidentified		Anyways, I have a question.
		I'm a longtime student and colleague of Dr. J.J. Hershack, and I also had the opportunity to help set up some lectures for Andre Bohart.
		So I've been following your work for a long, long time.
		And I have a question.
		What caught my ear was your discussion about Israel and how we're going to find a common ground between the Palestinians or the Arab brothers and Israel.
		My question is, the newer work being done in Egypt at Giza and at archaeology going on there and Egyptology, will we find, if we go deep enough and be open enough, a common bond between both Israel and Egypt or Israel and the Islamic world or even older than that as a very well-being.
		We have a common bond and not a separation, and this is why it's so politicized in the archaeology going on in Egypt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Sarah, hold on, hold on.
		Let's go ahead and ask him.
		Is it possible that under the left paw of the Sphinx will be found something that would provide that commonality?
		Casey said so.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		You know, Art, I always wanted to find something that would be earth-shattering archaeologically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Years and years ago, Moshe Dayan, who was the famous general who led Israel into victory, he was an avid archaeological collector.
		Actually, some of the stuff he had in his garden was taken illegally.
		And he asked me to locate things for him, which I did very successfully.
		I know that under the Sphinx and probably within inside the pyramid, there are more chambers.
		There is more important information to be found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that too.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I also believe in the Ark of a Covenant.
		It's buried somewhere.
		When we start finding those holy artifacts, then we will understand finally that humanity is one, that we all come from one source.
		So this is a brilliant question, and I hope that very soon we will find those, let's call it, books of knowledge.
		No matter what form they will take, they will teach us that thousands and thousands of years ago, things happened on this planet, on our Earth, that were beyond our imagination.
		And finding them will bring peace to our earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I view it as a kind of a race, Uri, a kind of a race.
		In other words, the way we're going right now, if we continue unchecked, I think we lose.
		If something occurs of the magnitude that you're talking about, then I think we win the race.
		But I'm worried.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		I sense that your fear is about an end of our world.
		Am I right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
		Let me clarify it.
		I don't think the world that we know, that we walk upon, that shifts every now and then in earthquakes and so forth, will end.
		The Earth will continue.
		I think the only question is whether we will continue upon it.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And the tangible fear art is the thousands and thousands of nuclear weapons that are aimed at cities as we speak.
		We mentioned it in the beginning of the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		did India Pakistan just uh...
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		There are silos that are loaded with nuclear weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		There are submarines underwater with nuclear weapons.
		There are airplanes with nuclear weapons.
		In Siberia, there are moving trucks with nuclear weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All waiting to be used.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and that's why I know that tonight we spoke for a reason.
		And hopefully you and I and your listeners, with no distinction of importance, we are important on the same level.
		We will soon focus our mind and be able to neutralize those weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know, Uri, that there was once a book written about something like this?
		It was called The Jesus Factor.
		And it simply suggested that at the moment when the buttons were pushed, the weapons didn't work.
		Not for any technical reason that anybody could ever explain.
		But the book title should tell you all.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Uri Geller.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Uri.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Hi, hi.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		Oh, very good.
		What's your name?
		My name is Janice.
		I'm from Anaheim.
		Anaheim, California.
		Yes.
		And I did pick up a clock that I had, a little wall clock.
		It hadn't been working for months and months and months.
		So I thought, oh, well, I'll go ahead and bring it over to the radio, not expecting much to happen.
		But it didn't even take me to walk over to the radio.
		As soon as I picked it up, it started working.
		I can't explain it.
		I just stood there dumbfounded.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Were you alone in the room?
unidentified		At the time, I was alone in the room.
unidentified		My two daughters were in their bedroom.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		What words did you utter when that happened?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Did you say something out loud?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And be sure we can air this on the radio now.
unidentified		I didn't say anything.
		I was just in amazement.
		I was trying to figure out how did this happen?
		I didn't say anything.
		I didn't think anything in particular.
		I just picked it up.
		As it was, it was a little clock that I had given to my husband as a birthday present, I believe, a number of years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know if that has any significance to it, but no, but it goes to what I was saying earlier, and that is that the moment you start thinking about this, in other words, she obviously had her attention on this as she was going to it, right?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, Art, you know that there are thousands of people who are probably trying to call you and they can't get to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Because the lines are busy.
		So this is why, if you allow me again, if you get on my website, www.urigellar.com, you'll find my email address, and you can email me, and I will email you back.
		I'll even send you all a signed picture for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're kidding.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I'm very dedicated to people who send me emails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll send you an email.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like to have an autographed picture for me.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it'll be a pleasure to send you a photograph.
		Remember, Art, I've been following your career also, and I was not kidding you when I was saying that you are a legend.
		You are a legend because you have the power to influence millions of people positively.
		You have no idea how many lives you have changed out there.
		And come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what, though?
		I know that.
		You know what?
		I found out that it's not something that I can abuse.
		It's only something that I can sort of ride with.
		I understand that I have the ability to influence, and I'm not very comfortable with it either, I might add.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you told me that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not at all comfortable with it, but I do realize it's there.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And as long as you let it flow naturally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And I think that part of my success in my life is because I stayed me.
		Uri Geller from Israel.
		I never planned anything in my life.
		I don't have PR people working for me.
		I don't have image makers.
		I don't have managers.
		And I don't have agents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say me.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		I just let it happen.
		And I knew that while my life was going on, I have to give back at some stage of my life what I took away.
		And that's what I'm doing now.
		It brings me great satisfaction.
		And I think you are doing the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You and I are just about the same age.
		And I think that in our careers, we're probably very close.
		The parallel is very close in our careers, our point of our careers.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		And Art, since we're coming to the top of the hour, my last words are these.
		First of all, I thank you for being so nice to me.
		You're wonderful, and I thank you.
		Secondly, I love all your listeners, and thank you, all of you, all across the United States and Hawaii, and I guess overseas, too.
		And my last words are, all of you out there, always remember, try to be positive, always be optimistic, believe in yourself, smile a lot, and very good things will come your way sooner or later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you create your own reality.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		And you create your own good luck.
		You create positivity.
		You become like a magnet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have wondered so many times about that.
		Do you create your own good luck?
		Or is there predestiny?
		Or I just, many times I have wondered about my career and my luck, if you wish to call it that, and I've never really understood it.
		Maybe I don't want to understand it.
		I don't know.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Well, I look at it this way.
		We are tiny little humans who are placed in a bottle by the Creator.
		Inside this little bottle, there is a little space which we can move in.
		That's our free will.
		But the bottle is on a river, and the river is flowing downstream.
		We cannot Stop that.
		That's our destiny.
		That's the way I see life.
		This is the way I see evolution.
		And only God or only the Creator or only that force out there knows where we are destined to end up.
		And I think it's the nicest way to finish the program with you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me try.
		We've got just a couple of minutes, and these people have been waiting so long.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Eric Geller.
		Not a lot of time here.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Okay, this is Diane from Minnesota.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Diane.
unidentified		And my watch, wristwatch, it hasn't worked for 13 years, it's still working.
		It was awesome when I put it up to my ear and heard it ticking.
		I couldn't believe it.
		And when you instructed to wind it up first, I did that and I checked.
		There was no ticking.
		I have checked this wristwatch odd enough.
		I'm an optimist.
		Knocked it on wood and stuff to see if it would start.
		Never did.
		It did tonight.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Fantastic.
unidentified		Thank you.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Great.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Your book, allow me to mention my book again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm about to demand it, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		It's called Mind Medicine.
		The foreword was actually written by Andrew Weil, MD, and it was endorsed by no other than Deepak Chopra.
		It's a fascinating book that will probably change your life and keep you healthy.
		And the other book that is not mine is a fascinating read, and it will really shatter skeptics.
		It's called Urigeller, a Magician or Mystic, and it's written by Jonathan Margolis, who is Time Magazine's European correspondent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the unauthorized, by the way.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is unauthorized, but luckily for me, it is a staggering conclusion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really nice to have happen.
		I've had some people write newspaper articles about me, and when I expected to be slaughtered, instead it went the other way.
		There's a new one up there on my website tonight, as a matter of fact, or last night, I think.
		Really a nice guy who I don't even know who wrote a wonderful article about me.
		Well, look, your book, what does this book tell you?
		You said it will help keep you healthy.
		Is it like kind of a 101 of how your mind can affect your body?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think that's, you put it the right way.
		It is about putting aside the usual, you know, meditations, confirmations, and affirmations, which I talked about before.
		It is a book that will really put your mind in touch with your body in a positive way.
		It's not a miracle book.
		I have no miracle pill to give you and tell you, take that and you will be healthy for the rest of your life.
		But if you learn how to keep your mind fit, exercise it, then your body will become healthy.
		And it's just a great book.
		And, you know, again, the royalties are going to a children's hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's wonderful.
		That's absolutely wonderful and appropriate with regard to the work of the book.
		So you're not getting any of that money, huh?
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		No, and I told you why, because, you know, I have enough.
		And I came to the conclusion that enough is enough.
		And now I want to enjoy life and write and create.
		You know, besides writing nonfiction and fiction, my fourth novel is coming out in March of next year.
		And you can find all my novels on Amazon.com.
		I also write columns.
		And I mentioned to you an hour ago that I wrote a column about you in the London Times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I want to read that.
		I really want to get a copy of it.
		I haven't read that already.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Either we email it to you or just tell your people to get onto the Times' website and put your name in the search engine and it'll bring up the column.
		And you know, that's a very prestigious paper.
		It's the equivalent to, for instance, to the New York Times.
		right and um...
		it's interesting how many years ago We're out of time.
		Okay, I love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will do it again.
uri geller ▲ ● ▼		Love to all of you.
unidentified		I'll never end that I love you.
unidentified		I'm nothing but I love you if you love me.

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