Chris Carter, The X-Files creator, explores extraterrestrial theories and canceled shows like Harsh Realm, while dismissing doomsday claims despite his pessimism. Uri Geller, born in 1946 to Freud’s distant relatives, discusses spoon-bending experiments, psychic "catalyst" roles, and unanswered questions like humanity’s inability to cure cancer, hinting at conspiracies. Both share skepticism of government interference—Geller suing James Randi for lies, Carter recalling FBI cutoffs—and believe collective mental energy could shape reality, from fixing watches to preventing nuclear apocalypse. Geller’s Mind Medicine and Bell’s experiments suggest unseen forces may govern human fate, blending science, spirituality, and paranoia into a call for optimism. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours and beyond, the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands, out west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
Thanks to Broadcast.com for the wonderful distribution and of course the Intel Corporation for the G2 program, which allows this incredible ability of yours to go to my website at www.artel.com, download the G2 program, put it into your computer, come back, click on streaming video, and you will see the program in progress as well as hear it.
Listen, I just got a report, a very serious report, from Peter Davenport at the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, and two large commercial airliners in the southern tier of the United States, and we're not going to break it down any further than that because we want to get the FAA report, so we're not going to specifically say where, have sighted a monstrous triangle.
Now, I repeat, two large commercial Heavies jets have sighted a gigantic triangle going at a spectacular speed, and it was described as monstrous.
And those are commercial pilots reporting that, folks.
So there's a lot going on in the skies tonight.
You might keep your eyes peeled.
Also, check my website.
I'm going to leave it up there for about 30 minutes.
I took a picture last night of the moon, which I'm kind of proud of.
And I did it with a raw video camera and just went out there and snapped it at the right time and happened to catch it.
It's not easy to do when you're zoomed in that far.
I've never done that before, and I thought it was pretty cool.
Take a look-see.
Anyway, there's a lot going on in our skies.
You'll be hearing more about that, but I wanted to get the news to you right away.
Now, Chris Carter, in 1992, multi-award-winning producer Chris Carter began creating and developing television projects for 20th Century Fox, including the X-Files, entering now its seventh season.
The Worldwide Cultural Phenomena has won an Emmy Award and three Golden Globe Awards for best television drama.
Since its inception, this series has garnered a total of 53 Emmy Award nominations.
Carter wrote and served as a producer on the series' first feature film, The X-Files, which I saw, which I'm sure most of you did, released in the summer of 98.
That made over $185 million worldwide.
The second installment of that feature film series is currently in the planning stages.
So another movie's coming.
His writing additionally has garnered him an Emmy Award and Writers Guild nomination.
As a director, Carter has received an Emmy nomination, award nomination, and three Director's Guild of America nominations.
In 1996, he was named by Time magazine as one of the 25 most influential people in America.
In addition to the X-Files, Carter also created and served as executive producer of the Fox series Millennium.
Previously, Carter had a development deal with Walt Disney Pictures.
The bad news of the day, of course, is that your newest child, Harsh Realm, has been treated very harshly and canceled after three one, two, three episodes.
So am I. Actually, even more than sorry to hear it, almost kind of angry.
Now, this is not directed at Fox in particular, but it's directed at all the networks.
I told you just before we got on the air, I was a big fan of Married with Children, and it ran for a year, over a decade ago, with bad reviews and bad ratings.
And then it became a giant hit that was on the air for better than a decade.
And now they're making decisions after three, three episodes.
I mean, that's incredible to me.
What can you say about that?
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Well, it is to me as well, because I produced over 200 hours of television for Fox, and the show, granted, didn't perform as well ratings-wise as they would have hoped, as I would have hoped.
But my personal polling places where I have people who are brutally honest with me, everyone liked the show.
All the indicators were good that it was, in fact, good work and could find an audience, but they just, for reasons that were political, creative, financial, and probably have more to do with what's going on at the Fox Network right now, I think they pulled the plug.
Um, the, uh, The episode you've got coming up on November 7th, which is a very interesting date anyway, is entitled The Sixth Extinction, right?
Now, a lot of what you do and a lot of what I do parallel in a lot of areas.
As you're well aware, I'm sure.
That probably has something to do with why you had me on a Millennium episode, which we will talk about.
But the Sixth Extinction, there have been rumors running all rampant across the internet of something that may not be so nice.
It might happen on November 7th.
Now, they're probably nothing but rotten rumors, but it's interesting that you would pick that date for the first show and call it the Sixth Extinction.
Are you aware of those rumors?
unidentified
Have you heard them?
In fact, you are the first person to tell me of these rumors.
It has something to do with astronomers and things that were seen during the, some objects that were seen during the total eclipse that we had.
You know, it would be a show for you, believe me.
What is the sixth extinction?
unidentified
Well, there have been historically, I should say, prehistorically as well, five great extinctions in the history of the Earth, where a great number of the plant and animal species across time have died, including the dinosaurs.
And there is a predicted or projected sixth extinction by scientists, which we would fall victim to.
And we play with this idea in the first and second episode of the X-Line Off.
You may have heard at the beginning of the show just before you came on, I said two commercial airline pilots, Heavies, you know, 747-type pilots in the southern tier of the U.S., have sighted a giant black triangle moving, and they said monstrous, actually, I think that was the word they used, traveling at an incredible speed.
It's pretty hard to ignore those kind of reports.
unidentified
Every time I get on a commercial airliner, I ask the pilots if they've ever seen a UFO and the flight attendants, for that matter.
You graciously invited me to go and do a Millennium episode, and it was a really interesting episode.
And I've had a gal named Joyce Raleigh on who's talked about the Gulf War disease, specifically Microplasma Incognitus is a name of the disease that they think may be causing this problem, and that's what she's talked about.
And when I received the original script, actually, I recall getting about five or six scripts, but the first one that came actually came with the name Microplasma Incognitis.
And alarm bells went off all over the place in my head.
And I thought, holy smokes, they're going to actually do a program on this.
And when I got up there, about the fourth script or so, the name had been changed to something else.
I sort of presumed in my own mind a political decision of some kind.
unidentified
It probably wasn't.
It was probably more of a science advisor pushing us in another direction because we are, I'd say, mostly immune to any kind of political or certainly politically correct pressure exerted on us.
Well, I was getting ready to be another question, but I'll phrase it a little differently.
Have you had any direct or indirect contact with anybody at NASA, JPL, or ESA?
unidentified
You know, I've been to various functions where I'll have people approach me and they'll tell me that they work in certain levels of government classified, in classified areas and tell me, ask me where I get my information because they'll say, you don't know how close you are.
But the truth is that I'd say more often than not, although we're sort of voracious readers and scavengers of material, that we are really just creators of fiction and using all of the materials that come to us and creating fictions based on what are putative facts, I think.
Have you ever used information from any of those sources in your stories?
unidentified
Well, not those sources in particular, but I'll sometimes hear stories.
I was told there was a sound mixer, an on-set sound mixer, who told me a story about friends of the family who had, a man who had hit sort of rock bottom and had become homeless.
And he came back to his family and he said that he had his teeth hurt, that the aliens had been drilling his teeth and the family thought he was a nut.
And they took him to the dentist.
And the dentist came back out into the waiting room and said, your brother, or whoever it was, has holes drilled in his teeth, microscopic holes that he doesn't know that there is any tool that could have done that work.
I love those kinds of stories.
In fact, that became an episode called Dwayne Berry in the second season, which was a big part of our mythology.
Well, I guess I've been doing this too long, but I have come to believe that there absolutely is something going on.
I don't know what.
Some of these aircraft obviously are experimental aircraft of ours, but then some obviously could not be.
And so I think we are being visited.
And have any of these contacts of yours...
Could you relate to what?
I mean, were they being specific at all in any area?
unidentified
To classify information that has been collected and not disseminated and that we've kind of as putting pieces, fragments of the truth or of fact together, we've sort of pieced it together in such a way that it is closer to a possibly a hidden truth.
I'm wondering if you've ever been close enough that you've received a sort of a back-channel, subtle warning.
unidentified
No, I've never actually had any warnings.
I had a funny thing happen to me when we first started the X-Files.
We were calling the FBI to get information on procedure and protocol, and they were answering our questions very happily and dutifully, and then all of a sudden they shut us, cut us off.
And we weren't even on the air then, so they didn't know I was just some upstart Hollywood type.
And they, as the show came close to air, probably two weeks from air, the FBI called in a kind of alarming way and said, who are you and why are you doing this?
And it was one of those sort of instant fears where you think that the ghost of Hoover is going to come and shut you down.
So you knew beforehand when you approached him, did he have the same zeal?
unidentified
Well, you know, he had turned me down on several attempts to get him to be on the X-Files.
And so when I wrote this project for him, I didn't know that, in fact, he would do it.
And I ended up having someone stick a note under his door where I knew he was staying at the hotel, which is you've got to be resourceful as a producer.
You've got to really sort of know how to put the pieces together.
And this was, I had learned just enough to figure out how to get the word to land.
Listen, both the X-Files, and this is a really serious question, and Millennium have hinted at some coming terrible something, something that is pending right around the corner at the Millennium.
And I wonder, it's sort of a recurring theme.
And if you believe that there's some basis to that, or if it's just serving up what you think people want to say.
unidentified
I'm actually one of these people who believes that it's going to happen imminently anyway, in spite of the millennium.
So it's really just a product of my general pessimism and paranoia.
Did you ever have an opportunity, you probably didn't as busy as you are, to see the Air Force's press conference, Roswell case closed, it was called, and they attempted, oh, it was a couple of years ago.
Did you see that?
unidentified
I am aware of it.
I saw enough material from it that we actually used it, I think, as part of our mythology in the show.
And so then there are a lot of people who believe that there's a consortium within or outside of the government that keeps information from even the very highest levels, the president, perhaps some presidents, for example, even the current president.
You think that could be true?
unidentified
I don't know.
I mean, I have so little faith in people's ability to keep a secret, to execute anything flawlessly.
I believe in conspiracies, but I have a sort of sneaking suspicion that conspiracies are impossible because of human nature.
But then I remember Hazel O'Leary, the energy secretary, stepping forward and admitting that we had done, we had fed plutonium to pregnant women and children and older people and stuff like that.
And that secret was held for a lot of years.
Chris, a lot of years.
If they could hold something like that, then one has to imagine they could hold something like E.T. presence.
unidentified
You know, I believe you're right.
But in this day and age of media saturation and the loss of privacy, I think it's harder and harder.
I was a big fan of this show, Colcheck the Nightstalker, when I was a kid.
And I had subsequently come to Hollywood.
And because I had some kind of ability to write young contemporary adult characters, I sort of spent the first few years doing that.
And I remember pitching to Brandon Tarnikoff an idea that came from Kolchak the Night Soccer Scary Show.
I said, there's nothing scary on television.
And Brandon listened to me and paid no attention.
I was then hired by Peter Roth at the Fox, at 20th Century Fox under an exclusive contract.
And the first thing I pitched to him was basically my tried that I wanted to do something as scary as I remember to cold check that I thought you were.
In fact, did you know that the latest theory among some very prestigious Israeli scientists is that the dinosaurs were not killed by a large rock that smashed us, but rather by an eruption of the sun that virtually sterilized everything on the planet, killed and sterilized everything on the planet.
That's actually a somewhat mainstream notion now, and might account for a series of extinctions on the planet.
And there are some people who believe that there was perhaps even ancient technology that is still present in some of the relics we see on Earth, pyramids that are all over the Earth, and some strange stone arrangements that may have given a hint about all of this.
And if we just knew how to read it, we might be able to prevent whatever may be coming.
You've heard any of those rumblings?
unidentified
I haven't.
That's interesting.
I mean, I've heard of the people who believe that sunspots, which are the same thing, but not specifically you're talking about, have a profound effect on weather and on global even earthquakes.
Well, there are hundreds of thousands of embedded chips and power companies switching equipment.
And I recollect well a little station, a little power station down in Idaho somewhere, up in Idaho, went offline and knocked the entire western third of the U.S., Mexico, and Canada down.
So if only a small percentage of what they're talking about with regard to ITK occurs, boy.
unidentified
I've seen, well, we've all seen the satellite hiccup that caused everyone's pagers to go out not long ago.
Well, we had a little preview with the hurricane recently in the southeast, and what happened was massive millions of people began to move, and you couldn't get a hotel, and you couldn't get a place to stay, and it was horrible moving west.
People were literally filling everything up.
Never had that many people moved.
And if we ever did have a really large event, do you think we are prepared to handle it?
I mean, if something threatened, for example, a large portion of the East Coast and people had to really move out suddenly, I don't think it could be done, Chris, if we're prepared for something like that.
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No.
I witnessed the 50th anniversary of Sturgis, South Dakota, and they couldn't handle that.
I do think there's a change coming, some sort of, you know, it's an overused phrase, paradigm shift, something's going to happen, something fairly major.
And I think that discussing it and having people begin to consider it is a kind of a protective thing.
It causes them to begin to think about preparedness and that sort of thing.
That's a good idea no matter what.
unidentified
Right.
You know, in the opening credits of the Millennium originally, we had the words worry and wait.
And those were significant words to maybe for me or for Lance Hendrix and for Flank Black because they are a kind of bitter watchword for me.
Other than the movie, you know, the X-Wiles movie, what's in your mind?
unidentified
Well, I create and produce TV shows, so I'm always looking for an idea that will generate, you know, 100-plus episodes, and they're very, very few and far between good ones.
I'm looking for people to work with that can sustain that kind of work, which is very, very difficult, the most difficult work in show business, as far as I'm concerned.
Well, I think the entertainment industry, taken as a whole, ran out of ideas years ago, and it just seems like we're seeing them regurgitated all over the place.
And that's kind of why I stepped away from what I was doing about a decade ago and began doing something good.
I was sick of it all.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you have to there's nothing worse than working with something you're unhappy at.
and I'm lucky that I've found something that makes me happy, mostly.
No, I mean, I'm a hard worker, so if I see something that gives me the, you know, continues to generate story ideas like the Axel House is a perfect example.
I mean, the show could go on indefinitely, really, because there are so many things to explore and stories to tell.
If I find another idea like that, I get very excited about it because it's almost like the original idea begins to work for you and allows you to create a resource where it does.
So I really want to thank you for coming and being on the program tonight.
I owe you.
No, actually, well, yeah, you do owe me because I was on Millennium.
I love that show.
I love doing that show.
And by the way, we talked for just a second before we were on the air.
And you told me that once you were in one of your own episodes, and you strolled on there suggesting that they were all over highly paid people, and then after you were done...
It wasn't enough.
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It was really hard.
Anyone who thinks that it's easy to sit there in front of the camera and be natural or play a role is mistaken.
That's who we're going to have on here shortly, Uri Geller.
I'll tell you more about him in a moment.
Right now, let's take care of biz.
you you Uri Geller was born in Israel on December 20th, 1946.
His parents are of Hungarian and Austrian descent, and he is distantly related on his mother's side to Sigmund Freud.
Oh, that's interesting.
At the age of four, he had a mysterious encounter with a sphere of light while in a garden near his house.
He first became aware of his unusual powers.
At age five, one day during a meal, a spoon curled up in his hand and broke.
Although he had applied no physical pressure to it, his parents were somewhat, as you could imagine, taken back, and Uri did not mention the incident to anyone else at the time.
He developed these powers in school by demonstrating them to fellow students.
His mother thought he inherited them from Sigmund Freud.
When he was 11, he went to Cyprus, where he remained till he was 17.
He then returned to Israel, served as a paratrooper in the Israeli army, fought the Six-Day War of 1967, during which he was wounded in action.
From 1968 to 9, he worked as a model, photographed for many different ads.
In 69, he began to demonstrate his powers of telepathy and psychokinesis to small select audiences.
By the end of 1971, however, his was a household name throughout Israel thanks to numerous stage appearances.
He was given a plug by the then Prime Minister Goldemir when asked on national radio what he predicted for the future of Israel.
And you know, that was the biggest plug in my life, Art, coming from the mouth of the Prime Minister.
You can imagine what that did to me.
First of all, it made me instantaneously a household name in Israel.
But it also started the phones ringing, and managers started booking me into huge theaters.
It was just really unbelievable that from nothing, you know, because I'm from poverty.
I mean, I was scooting around television with my Vespa from one photographer to another, and suddenly I found myself performing in front of 5,000 people.
And under God, I know there are infinite spaces out there, and everything is possible.
And I think there is a master plan out there.
I personally think that our, you know, talking to each other tonight is not to interview or get or to plug another one of my books, but there is a reason for everything.
Maybe we don't know what the reason and the purpose is today, but we will know someday.
And including you listeners who are listening to us right now, I think we're all somehow united and we're connected.
Israel is a very important point on our planet simply because Jerusalem is where Jesus walked.
Mount Sinai is where Moses came down with the Ten Commandments.
And Prophet Elijah, I mean, the whole past, thousands of years ago, very important world-shattering events happened in that area of our planet.
You know, whatever people, whether you're a believer or you're an agnostic or an atheist, there is something in the air there that you can't take away.
I mean, it's just there is a deep, I don't want to call it even a vibration or a frequency, but there's something there.
And it moves everyone, whether you're a Muslim, a Christian, or a Jew.
So, you know, I pray to God that there will be peace because once there will be an everlasting peace in Israel with its Arab neighbors, I think that will catch around the world.
And hopefully, maybe peace will come out from that area of our globe.
And that's why it's so important.
I'll tell you something, Art.
I very rarely talk about this, but when I fought in the Six-Day War, my unit was taken to Jerusalem.
And unfortunately, a horrifying event happened to me.
Besides being wounded, about 25 minutes before I was wounded, suddenly a Jordanian soldier jumped out from behind a rock.
And he looked me in the eye, and I had my Uzi, and he had his gun.
And it was a matter of survival.
It was whoever pressed the trigger first, and I beat him to it.
And I actually art killed a man.
And today, you know, obviously I have horrifying, recurring dreams.
He comes in my dream in a nightmare, and he shakes me and he says, why did you do this?
And his face looks at me and his black moustache.
So I've been there.
I've seen my friends being killed.
I've seen Arabs being killed.
And, you know, I want peace and I want it badly.
And if everyone around the world, I don't know if you believe in the power of prayer, I do, but if everyone will pray for peace, gradually, hopefully, it will come.
Yeah, but I think that we still have many, many millions of years on our beautiful planet.
Yes, we have to conquer things.
I mean, Ar, do you realize that as we speak right now, if I count three seconds, one, two, three, someone just died from hunger.
Every three seconds, someone dies from hunger.
28 or 29 years ago, we put a man on the moon, yet we cannot cure cancer.
So I ask myself, I struggle with my belief in God because I say, well, okay, I believe in God, but if there is God, why are there sick children right now dying from leukemia in hundreds and hundreds of hospitals around the world?
So in other words, if they had that land today, you do believe that you could coexist and that the terrible bombardment that could occur would not occur.
I can guarantee you that there are small nuclear weapons right now attached to airplanes' wings, and they're ready to take off somewhere on a secret tarmart in an Air Force base in Israel.
Yeah, and you know, a few years ago, this might come as a surprise to you, but I was actually asked by the American government, by Senator Clayburn Pell, who was the head of the American Foreign Relations Committee.
He arranged me a secret meeting with Max Kempelman, who was the head of the nuclear negotiating team.
They actually asked me to join them to Geneva when they were negotiating with the Russians.
And my task was to bombard Yuli Vorontsov with positive thought waves to sign the nuclear treaty.
And next to me stood Vice President Al Gore, the head of the CIA, and I just couldn't believe it that they asked me to do this.
And Yuli Vorontsov was just across me.
And I was just concentrating and saying, sign, sign, sign, because I'm totally and utterly against nuclear weapons.
I believe that you definitely can influence another mind.
I would like to influence another mind positively, but when I was younger and very naive and gullible, I went along with what I was asked to do.
I can tell you to all our listeners, I mean, next time you're in a supermarket standing in a line or you're flying in an aeroplane or you're in a bus, focus your eyes on the back of someone's head and say to them in your heart, in your mind, say to them, turn around, turn around, turn around.
I can almost guarantee to you that eight out of ten times, that person will turn around and look at you.
Now, we, this is my theory, I have absolutely no scientific explanation to it, but I know that we emit some kind of a frequency or a wave or a vibration from our brain.
And with those waves, we can influence other minds.
What scared me when I used to work for the CIA, I was asked to, for instance, erase floppy disks that KGB agents had chained to the wrists when they were flying out of Mexico City to Paris.
Yeah, and very successfully because I was continuously asked to do more and more and more.
I've done some incredible things, and I did it for ideological reasons.
I wasn't paid for it.
But then one day, and I will not mention which government asked me to do it or what agency, but Art, I was taken to a laboratory.
It was in a desert.
And I was taken to a white room, and in the room was a pig.
And the scientist looks at me and he says to me, I'm going to go and have lunch.
You stay here with the pig.
And by the time I come back, I want to see the pig dead.
And I said, no, what are you talking about?
He said, well, I would like to see if you can influence the heart of the pig.
Now, you can imagine, Art, how that shocked me.
First of all, I'm a great animal lover.
I'm a vegetarian.
I don't eat flesh at all because I'm against killing animals.
And that horrified me.
And I later on gradually understood that probably they wanted to see if the human mind can eliminate people because then they would ask super psychics to probably assassinate Julian Dropov, who was the head of the KGB.
Saddam Hussein, perhaps today, before he poisons the world in some way.
In other words, if you take somebody like Saddam Hussein, or back in history, Hitler, if it would be possible to burst a blood vessel in their head, for example, or cause their heart to begin to run out of control, I'm not asking you now if you would do it, but if it could be done.
You know, we all are looking for something, that bigger thing around the corner, true meaning of life.
But I can tell you one thing, that throughout my career, I've influenced millions of people positively.
Yes, in the early 70s, I was on an egotrip.
I abandoned my friends.
I was after fame and fortune.
I was earning millions because, you know, I diverted my powers to finding oil and gold.
And then I started writing my books and I became an addict.
I was actually addicted to bulimia.
I would walk into a restaurant, devour everything and then vomit.
And it became an addiction.
And I managed to stop it with again with the willpower, with the mind power.
And this is why I can afford today to write books like Mind Medicine, which will basically help people change their lives for the better because I've been there.
And I'm also in a position that, you know, I don't have to accumulate money anymore.
Like you said, I have enough.
I'm not a super millionaire.
But, you know, I have just enough to live comfortably.
Therefore, many of the royalties that I earn today from my books and my columns go to children's hospitals.
You know, mentioning my columns, Art, just a few months ago, I actually wrote a column about you.
I have a weekly column in the London Times.
And I wrote a very nice column about you because I consider you a legend, actually.
And like I said, I don't think it's about plugging books.
And it's about something different.
It's about something with different facets and maybe higher dimensions.
I would like to believe, Art, that someday you and I and all your listeners and your followers and your fans and your people who don't like you and people who love you will be united somehow and with the power of our minds,
and I know this sounds fantasy now, and I know that some people will smile, but I hope that someday with the power of our brains, with our human potential, we will be able to neutralize nuclear weapons.
This is a dream I have, but I think that it is somewhere shrouded in reality, and the day will come when that event will happen.
Well, Art, what you are doing is basically what shamans did hundreds and maybe thousands of years ago.
You know, the Red Indians were dancing to the rain and sort of influencing clouds to pour rain or to make sunshine and so forth.
I think, Art, that when you are in command of millions of people who are listening or hundreds of thousands, you are really a catalyst.
You are an enabler.
You understand me?
And what you do, you trigger the mind power of hundreds of thousands of people.
And together, that is an immense power.
So, you know, I became famous when I looked into the camera.
It was on the BBC.
And then a radio show.
Actually, I was interviewed by a man called Jimmy Young.
This is going back 28 years ago.
And I bent his key, his producer's key, and actually he was arrested.
The producer was arrested that night trying to break into his own house.
And he had to be bailed the next morning because he tried to get in through the window.
But on that show, something made me tell people to bring their broken watches to the radio set.
And I said, one, two, three work, and the BBC's telephone system blew up.
This is true.
People were calling up in a panic that the watches that didn't work for years, they were grandfather clocks and pocket watches, 70, 80 years old, that watchmakers sent home that they can't fix, came alive.
So for years I thought, wow, this is unbelievable.
I possess a power that can fly through the airwaves, go through the television sets and radios and affect people at home.
And you people now listening to me, I can almost guarantee you that if you go and bring your broken watches and broken clocks and some broken house appliance to the radio set while we speak in the next commercial, or you even put a spoon on the radio, and we are going to say one, two, three, work.
You can try to even wind them up if they have winders.
I will tell you that in most of your homes, your watches will start ticking.
But it's no big deal because this happens all the time.
Now, the debate, you know that there are so many, well, first of all, you know that there's a minority of skeptics out there that for years tried to debunk me.
But nowadays, skeptics know to be very careful what they say about me, because if they will libel me or damage me or defame me, they will end up in court.
Let me tell you before the break, give me 30 seconds.
All the people at home, go and get your broken watches, broken house appliances that are battery operated, broken clocks, bring a spoon along to the radio set.
And after the commercial, I will run through a very simple one-minute experiment with you.
And I think you will be amazed.
And then, Art, if you can open up your phone lines, you'll get a few phone calls and see what happened in people's homes.
So that you might understand who you're listening to.
The following is from the UK news.
Back in November of 96, Black might find it interesting.
A man seeking a long-lost submarine learned the cost of ignoring the advice of Eric Geller, the psychic spoonbender, they call him, when he spent more than 1 million pounds looking in the wrong place.
Eight years ago, Eric Geller pinpointed the exact location of the submarine sunk more than a century ago.
But William Scanlon Murphy, skeptical of Geller's special powers, chose to ignore advice and instead financed a fruitless search an area 15 miles west of the actual location.
Eventually, he gave up.
Believing the wreck had been destroyed, it was only when a fishing trawler snagged its nets on the submarine, the world's first powered submarine, that the exact accuracy of Geller's advice emerged.
He's Eri Geller, and he's with us tonight, and he'll be right back.
Now, take a moment to go and gather watches that don't work, appliances that have ceased to function, spoons that you'd like to see take on a new shape.
Assuming that you have rounded up the malfunctioning watches, these stopped toys and mechanisms and appliances and spoons and whatever I want to round, we have with us Uri Geller who's willing to give this a try.
But we all must remember this is a light-hearted experiment, but it is really astonishing if it works in your home.
Now, first of all, to those people driving cars, don't take your eyes off the road.
But if you have a broken component in your car, focus on it.
Now, to the people at home, although your watches are broken, quickly wind them up.
If at all they have winders, close your hands over the watches, and no matter how strange or bizarre or even comical this will look to you, I want you together with me on the count of three, to shout out, out loud, the word work.
Truly believe that you yourself, with your mind power, will activate those broken watches.
So we'll do it three times.
Here it goes.
And you shout the word work with me together, okay?
One, two, three, work.
One more time.
One, two, three, work.
And the last time.
One, two, three, work.
Now, people at home, open your hands.
Look at the faces of your watches or clocks.
If they have a second hand, look at it.
Is it moving?
If you don't have a second hand, lift the watches or the clocks to your ears right now and listen.
Now, if anything happened to the spoon, whether it leaped off the radio or it bent slightly or any other strange event happened in your home, do let Art know this and call us.
Now, to those who nothing happened to you, don't be disappointed because it doesn't happen all the time.
It doesn't happen to everyone.
But if something interesting happened, especially if an old watch started ticking, give us a call right now.
Yes, there are a few watches that shake them or you warm them and all that.
They will start ticking for a few minutes and stop.
But I had thousands and thousands of reports from around the world, from people who told me that they took their watches and pocket watches and clocks to watchmakers many times.
And the watchmaker sent them home, say, forget it.
It's a broken part.
It'll never work.
Just keep it as a sentimental memento.
I believe that when we say one, two, three work, we do unleash an energy and we visualize the watch working.
And somehow, I don't know the technicality of it, but somehow that energy penetrates the watch and fixes it.
It's that simple.
And it's actually quite amazing because some of the reaction is just staggering from people.
So now, if your phone lines are, we're not busy from before.
No, we'll just, what we'll do is we'll begin taking random calls.
But I guess in a lot of movies, I've seen this, people like yourself who have the power that you have or are able to bring forth in people, they will always ask, from where does this power come?
Well, look, Art, I believe that all talents come from God.
You're a presenter, your talent comes from God.
A taxi driver, his talent, his job comes from God.
So ultimately, because I'm religious, because I believe that there is a Creator out there that created us, I would like to believe that, yes, this is a gift.
But having said that, many of my books, you know, I write, you know, by the way, I write both fiction and non-fiction.
Actually, my second novel, Ella, is about a 14-year-old girl who is abused at home and bullied in school, and she suddenly develops supernatural powers.
But in my how-to books, I tell people: look, we all have this force.
It is dormant in our mind.
We can awaken it, we can exercise it, and we can harness it.
Yeah, and, well, when Yuri said to go look for a watch, I went looking for a rather cheap broken watch that I didn't know if I would be able to find it, and I didn't find it.
Instead, I found another watch that I had stuffed away maybe 10 years ago.
I had completely forgotten about it, a much more valuable watch, but I had gotten it saltwater damaged in Hawaii, and I'd pretty much given up on it.
Well, to be honest with you, it began ticking shortly before he began the experiment.
But I found it somewhat a matter of synchronicity that I found this watch that I wasn't even thinking about, that I'd totally forgotten that I still had.
I get many reports that before the person goes to the drawer, and I had a woman just a couple of days ago that had an 85-year-old pocket watch, and she took it three times to the watchmaker, and the watchmaker sent it back, telling her, forget it.
It'll never tick.
And it was in a wardrobe.
And when I came on the air and told people to go and get the watches, she couldn't find it.
And finally, when she found it before the experiment, she opened the drawer and it was under some, I don't know, t-shirts, and it was ticking.
So it's definitely possible that the mind goes to work before the actual experiment.
Yes, and you know another possibility, Art Qui, that we are really dealing with no time, meaning that maybe the present and the past and the future is happening right now at the same moment.
I know it's a bit complicated to understand, but that is a possibility.
You realize, Art, that when I came on the scene, well, first of all, I discovered this power when I was a small child.
But when I became sort of world famous because of my TV shows, again, I thought that it was me doing it until at UCLA, the University of Los Angeles, a scientist, Dr. Thelma Moss, videotaped me and fixing broken watches.
And I went back to New York, and then she played that videotape to students who came with broken timepieces.
And lo and behold, from the video, the watches started ticking.
And I was really disappointed and angry.
I said, how come?
I'm in New York.
How can a video do it?
And that's when it dawned on me that it wasn't really me.
It was I was, again, I was the trigger.
It's the people's mind that unleashed the power.
And this is why, these are trivial things, but that's why I believe that within us, we have human potential, enormous one.
We can also heal.
Parallel to medicine, never abandon medicine.
That's dangerous.
So you've got to see your doctor, you've got to listen to the conventional medicine.
But parallel to conventional medicine, you've got a force in your mind which can be activated for healing purposes.
And that is what Mind Medicine, my latest book, is about.
And, you know, I got a lot of hate letters from England, you know, that I shouldn't touch it because it's sort of a, you know, heritage and it's a monument that presents England.
But just to complete Art, the story about England and Scotland, just a week ago, Scotland called me, and they said, UI, you have to help us because they are going to play England in about two weeks.
So I'll find myself hovering in a helicopter this time helping Scotland.
And it's fun, you know, but it really does help because, once again, it's the masses.
It's the millions of people.
When Brazil played in Los Angeles against Italy, and Baggio was going to score a penalty, I visualized 80 million Brazilians sending him these four twelves to miss.
And he kicked the ball, and it actually went out of control, and he missed the penalty.
So I believe it was the millions of Brazilians that influenced Baggio to miss the penalty.
But most of the time, I'm well known for fixing broken watches.
And, you know, Art, in the late 60s, when I left the paratroopers and started performing, it was just unbelievable.
There were hundreds of people who were hauling in not only watches to my performances, but grandfather clocks, broken dishwashers, broken air conditions.
It was unbelievable.
And they would all sort of put it on the stage.
And because the watches were broken anyhow, people were throwing it onto the stage.
And I had to duck broken watches and clocks coming flying towards me.
And it was really a funny but mystical experience when I had this mountain of broken timepieces on the stage and everyone together with me in the auditorium, we said, one, two, three, work.
And they came alive.
And that's what made me famous because it was such a bizarre act.
There was nothing like that before I came on the scene.
But what he did, he also asked the help of a faith healer called Eileen Drury.
Now, in which is very unusual and very rare that a coach of a country is asking a faith healer to heal his players.
It's okay to do it in private, but don't announce it to the world press.
Now, Glenn Hoddle and Eileen Drury visited my home, and she actually did a healing session on me.
It was very interesting because she's a faith healer.
Nevertheless, Glenn Hodell was asked in a press conference about Uri Geller, and he flatly denied coming to my house.
And I was really angry because it made me look like a liar.
And, you know, it was front-page news, and my children went to school, and they came back home and said, you know, father, these papers are saying that you're a liar, that Glenn Hodell says that he never visited your home.
Oh, they were, you know, I did the test under laboratory control conditions, so no one can say, oh, I hoodwinked the scientists.
Some skeptics still say that, but so what?
But my tests were published in Nature magazine, the most prestigious scientific magazine in the world, and that was enough for me to be validated.
But going back to Princeton, you know, here is a man for 11 years took ordinary human beings, not urigalers, and he discovered that ordinary people, like everyone out there, could influence random numbers on computers.
I don't want to sound boasting, but I made enough money.
I actually, in the mid-70s, diverted my powers to find oil.
And they opened maps in front of me, and I said, okay, this is where I feel it is.
Then we flew over with airplanes and helicopters, and I was successful.
I've been in this many times.
I was also very young and gullible then.
And I remember the Mexican president sent me up with a helicopter with some Mexican geologists.
And I pointed up at a place in the Gulf of Mexico, and I marked it on the map with a little X. And a year and a half later, I read in the Financial Times that they found the biggest offshore oil there.
And I laugh today because all I got out of it was a Mexican passport.
I'm Art Bell from the high desert of Great American Southwest, where it's finally beginning to cool off a little bit.
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Listen, I am trying at the last moment to see if I can get the attention of Jane Seymour, who, of course, was in somewhere in time.
As you know, I'm going to somewhere in Time reunion at Nackinaw Island in Michigan.
It's going to be a plane flight.
You ought to check the weather forecast for the Northwest.
There is the mother of all storms coming in, so I don't know what's going to happen.
We'll see.
I thought it'd be a real kick to get Jane Seymour on the air and just talk to her a few minutes about Somewhere in Time.
It's such a very special, special movie for me.
So if you have any influence with Jane Seymour, I'm making my back-channel calls already, but any of you have any influence with her, I'd sure love to have her here tomorrow night for a few minutes.
Yeah, everybody, give it just a few intense moments of thought for me here.
Come on, Jane.
All right, listen, I've got a fax here.
It says, would you please ask her to describe, this is very interesting, the first use and what happened after you did when you influenced gambling venture at a casino near London 12 to 18 years ago?
And what I did is I stood by the sort of turning roulette.
Now I either predicted on which number the ball will fall or with PK I made it fall on the number I put my money on.
And in a few hours, I walked out of the casino with 17,000 pounds sterling, which today would have been about $27,000, $28,000.
And that was a lot of money for me then.
And they were all in rubber bands, and I put them in my black coat.
And the next morning, I was driven in a limousine to promote a record that I did.
Believe it or not, I cut a record at that time.
I'm not a singer, so I talked, you know, through the songs.
And on the way to this radio station, suddenly, I was sitting in this limousine, a Daimler, which had a compartment behind, which means there was a divider between me and the driver, a glass divider.
And suddenly, out of nowhere, I heard a voice shouting in my head.
And you know, Art, in my life, some events happen to me that diminish my credibility when I talk about it.
But, Art, I have to stick to the truth.
And there are certain events in my life that I will not turn away from.
And another astonishing thing that occurred to me in Manhattan, and I'm going to tell it to you exactly the way it occurred, and to your listeners out there, please believe me that it is true.
I was coming back from Bloomingdale with a binocular in my hand that I bought for a doctor as a gift.
I went up to the apartment of Maria Janice Cooper, who is my best friend still today.
She's Gary Cooper's daughter, and she's married to a very famous classical pianist called Byron Janice.
I stayed with them for a while, and then I said, I'm going to jog back to my apartment, which was on 57th and 1st Avenue.
And it took maybe eight minutes to jog from Park Avenue to my apartment.
Now, a few yards before I reached the canopy of my entrance, you know, in New York you have this canopy stretching out to the road.
I suddenly look at the pavement and I see that I'm no longer on the pavement.
And the next thing I remember is I was hurled through the air and something was rushing towards my face and obviously I wanted to protect my head and I sort of stretched my hands and I crushed through some metal mesh, fell on a round table, on the floor.
I actually hurt my knee and it took me a few minutes to realize where I was, Art.
Where were you?
And I was on the floor in a porched room 36 miles out of Manhattan in a house that belonged to a scientist called Andrei Poharich.
And there I was.
Now, he found me.
It took him five.
I was shouting, Andrea, Andrea, because I recognized the porch.
He suspected that maybe I was tricking him and there was snow outside.
So his first reaction was to go out to the garden to look for footprints.
Of course.
And this is a summer porch which was sealed with a thin metal, you know, sort of a mesh to keep out flies and insects.
And that was torn from the outside.
The glass on the table was on the floor, broken.
And you know when it dawned on me the severity of this event was when it drove me back to Manhattan in his daughter's Volkswagen.
That's when I realized, my God, what happened was that I just, in no time, suddenly materialized, or whatever you want to call it, bilocated, into Osening, New York.
And when I wrote about it in my first book, in my story, which actually one of your listeners brought up, it really damaged me because people said, this is too much, Geller.
You know, bending spoons and reading minds is one thing.
But you are telling us that, what, to believe you, that you dematerialized from Manhattan and appeared in Austin in New York?
Just before the program began, I got news from the UFO Reporting Center up in Seattle that two aircraft, large, heavy 747-type aircraft, in the southern tier of the U.S. have just reported seeing a gigantic, their word, gigantic triangle doing an immense speed.
This was seen by two commercial aircraft crews at the same time.
Well, this is interesting art because this doesn't happen every day.
You realize it's not from two 747s.
But in Israel, in my performances, when I did my shows in movie theaters, because there were no big auditoriums in Tel Aviv, so they always waited to the end of the movie, and then my performance came on.
There were many times sightings of triangular shapes in the sky.
Now, this is very interesting that did you actually hear about it today, before today's show?
And the reason that we're not saying exactly where it was, we're just saying the southern shear of the U.S. is because we want the FAA tapes, and we're working on getting those now.
That'll be great, but I many times wonder, Art, that is it possible that our powers, our energies, the force that we sometimes have, and I have it all the time, most of the time, it could be that it is coming from an extraterrestrial source.
And maybe there is a tiny baby extraterrestrial somewhere in a UFO in the universe that is playing around with me.
and these trivial, strange abilities that I have are actually triggered by the mind of an extraterrestrial.
Now, that is a possibility.
I cannot shut the door to the fact that maybe that is true.
And you have single-handedly raised the consciousness of this planet by a few notches back in the 70s when you have made your appearances all over the planet.
But you're now reaching a new generation, and that generation has very little knowledge with your connection with the visitors.
So please tell us a little bit about Spectra, your experience in the desert.
Art, in 1972, when Dr. Ander Puharich came to test me in Israel, the American Defense Department sent him through Edgar Mitchell and Hal Putos, Rashtag.
It was all paid by the government, the test.
And he watched me.
I mean, at that time, in 1972, I was finished in Israel.
I was a superstar from 69 to 71.
But because I'm not a magician art, I couldn't change my act.
And I found myself in 1972 performing in nightclubs.
It was awful.
I was finished.
I was destroyed.
And Puharic was sitting there looking at me.
And then he called me to his table.
And he said to me, look, Laurie, what I've seen you do, any magician can do with tricks.
But I want you to demonstrate this under my controlled condition.
And I liked Andrea.
He looked like an Einstein.
And during the tests with Puharic, the most incredible phenomena happened.
He would put a tape recorder, a new tape.
He brought his own Sony tape recorder from the United States with brand new tape that was covered with seller taper.
He would peel it open, put the tape in the recorder to tape me.
And instead, suddenly, in front of our eyes, and there were some Mossad agents there too who witnessed this, the buttons of the tape recorder would be pressed almost like an invisible hand pushed the button.
And a very strange voice would come out.
And it would identify itself as Spectra, as Rhombus.
It was so strange.
I had very hard difficulty in believing Andrea.
I thought he was tricking me.
But my relationship with Andrea got more involved.
And then he wrote this incredible book called Uri.
Uri Geller is my guest, and he'll be back with you.
And I promise, we'll lay into the phones heavily in this segment.
We're just about to go directly to the phones, but one very important question for Uri Giller, and that is, I can't let you get away tonight without talking about life after death, whether you believe that we continue, our consciousness as we understand it continues.
And we all know that besides our flesh and bones and blood, there is something inside our body, and that is energy.
I would like to call it our soul, our spirit.
That spirit, that soul, survives death.
It goes to the other side.
And because I believe in God, I would like to Feel that our souls either go to heaven or paradise, whatever you want to call it, or our spirit reincarnates into a newborn child, or we turn into angels, or we stay and haunt a place.
And those are the possibilities that are waiting for our spirit.
There will be a molecular, tiny little minuscule, little energy going somewhere.
Where is it going to travel to?
Now, it is possible that within that little molecular minuscule point of energy, there is memory that has been embedded into the framework, the fabric of that little point.
I'm a longtime student and colleague of Dr. J.J. Hershack, and I also had the opportunity to help set up some lectures for Andre Bohart.
So I've been following your work for a long, long time.
And I have a question.
What caught my ear was your discussion about Israel and how we're going to find a common ground between the Palestinians or the Arab brothers and Israel.
My question is, the newer work being done in Egypt at Giza and at archaeology going on there and Egyptology, will we find, if we go deep enough and be open enough, a common bond between both Israel and Egypt or Israel and the Islamic world or even older than that as a very well-being.
We have a common bond and not a separation, and this is why it's so politicized in the archaeology going on in Egypt.
When we start finding those holy artifacts, then we will understand finally that humanity is one, that we all come from one source.
So this is a brilliant question, and I hope that very soon we will find those, let's call it, books of knowledge.
No matter what form they will take, they will teach us that thousands and thousands of years ago, things happened on this planet, on our Earth, that were beyond our imagination.
And I don't know if that has any significance to it, but no, but it goes to what I was saying earlier, and that is that the moment you start thinking about this, in other words, she obviously had her attention on this as she was going to it, right?
So this is why, if you allow me again, if you get on my website, www.urigellar.com, you'll find my email address, and you can email me, and I will email you back.
And Art, since we're coming to the top of the hour, my last words are these.
First of all, I thank you for being so nice to me.
You're wonderful, and I thank you.
Secondly, I love all your listeners, and thank you, all of you, all across the United States and Hawaii, and I guess overseas, too.
And my last words are, all of you out there, always remember, try to be positive, always be optimistic, believe in yourself, smile a lot, and very good things will come your way sooner or later.
Either we email it to you or just tell your people to get onto the Times' website and put your name in the search engine and it'll bring up the column.
And you know, that's a very prestigious paper.
It's the equivalent to, for instance, to the New York Times.
right and um...
it's interesting how many years ago We're out of time.