Richard C. Hoagland and Art Bell explore the 60-ton woolly mammoth discovery in Siberia, where scientists may revive it using thawing techniques to extract DNA, despite risks from modern pathogens. Hoagland ties this to claims of NASA cover-ups—like the Mars Orbiter loss—and theories of a shadow government, citing Ed Mitchell’s warnings about dual U.S. administrations. He links President Clinton’s bizarre 1998 golf behavior (October 17th) to potential bioterrorism or security threats by November 7th or December 31st, suggesting subtle public warnings amid constitutional anomalies and Puerto Rican terrorist pardons. Both argue hidden advanced tech, possibly under non-governmental control, hints at broader undisclosed agendas, from ancient civilizations to asteroid defense. [Automatically generated summary]
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We're about, I guess, soon to get a woolly mammoth, a full 60-ton woolly mammoth back alive again because they've got one in the ice with green grass around it.
They're going to take air dryers, detaw it.
They obviously are going to get a complete sequence of DNA, and before we know it, Wooly Boy is going to be back.
One-time advisor to Walter Tronkide and the Angstrom Science Award winner Richard C. Hoagland with a number of things we want to cover for you this morning.
Something so captivating about that song, Courtney.
Underway in a moment.
By the way, once again, website alert.
We have really got some interesting stuff up tonight.
So does Richard C. Holland.
He'll tell you about that in a second.
We have a photograph of a stealth ship in the ocean.
It's real.
And I've never seen a picture of it before, but it looks like the waterborne version of the F-117.
Damnedest thing you ever saw.
It's up there now.
With respect to a conversation we had the other night with Lori, you may recall we talked about three men and a baby and one frame of that movie showing a young fellow staring out a window, or by a window.
Somebody sent me that frame, that one frame, and is on my website right now.
And then, to add to it all, we have the king of all contrail photographs.
Absolutely the king of all contrail photographs.
And when you look at it, you will realize the message is simple.
The message is we lose.
Take a look.
By the way, the website, before the weekend ends, maybe, who knows, before the night ends, is going to roll over to 50 million hits.
We're coming up on 50 million, 50 million hits.
Here is the man in effigy in Pasadena and Florida and Houston.
Well, there's a lot of people who are very confused, I think, in NASA right now because it's like a lot of people in government and in the country, what is really going on?
I think there is a core, a cadre that definitely don't like us because we're pursuing, you know, doggedly and very persistently what is, in fact, going on.
This amazing story now, just hours old, about the frozen body of a mammoth, a woolly mammoth, a full 60-ton adult woolly mammoth with green grass in the ice.
Scientists are going to take hair dryers and slowly, slowly, slowly melt the ice until they can get to the mammoth, and the grass for that matter.
And then they are going to obviously have fresh meat and they are going to get a full DNA sequence.
Well, I think this is an extraordinary step forward scientifically.
I heard you discussing with Linda there's a possible downside.
I don't see it.
In fact, I think this poor little guy, when he or she is born, little, well, they start little, is going to be definitely on the endangered list because A, there will only be one on the entire planet.
And B, since, I mean, let's go through what they're going to do.
They're going to try to get cells which will reproduce.
They will basically do the same procedure they did with Dolly, the infamous sheep in Scotland.
And they will then have to implant this genetic material in the nucleus of another animal, another kind of cell, to bring it to term.
And they have chosen, as I understand from the literature, an elephant.
Until they find another mammoth and do this with another mammoth, and then you might be able to breed a herd.
But here's the interesting question.
You worried before about diseases.
Linda, last week, I believe, had a show where she was reporting on a group at Syracuse State University who are looking in deep ice cores for preserved viruses.
And the closer you get in time, the more viable the viruses are and the more potentially dangerous they become.
Well, this little guy, if they succeed in the cloning, will not carry any viruses because it will literally be from one cell.
And it will be a pristine virgin birth.
Here's the problem.
This little guy lived, or his parent or his clone mate will have lived between 15 and 20 some thousand years ago.
That means that any and all diseases currently alive on planet Earth will play havoc with this little guy's immune system because he will have lived at a time.
He faces an extraordinary danger, and they will have to keep him in isolation from even simple things.
No one so far has raised this, but given the viability of the cells, you know, the green grass, the chlorophyll, the resilience of the flesh, there is a potential problem of, you know, other toxins, not toxins, but, you know, viable organisms, viruses, bacteria, whatever.
And I would think this all would have to be done in a clean room with overpressure from the outside.
I mean, it just seems to me, I've been watching this story now for the last couple, three days on, you know, CNN and MSNBC and Fox, and nowhere has anybody raised the problem of containment.
Because if you thaw this guy out, there is the excellent possibility of viable organisms that will be released.
In other words, for the last several decades, going back to the 20s, we've had stories of mammoths, you know, in Siberia, mammoths when they were putting in the Alaska Highway.
We've had lots and lots and lots of reports of samples from the northern tundra, the northern permafrost, and a lot of these are still in freezers, all right, as samples?
Let's just imagine that we're looking back, that we're looking back to conditions that existed here on Earth between 13,000 and 27,000 years ago for a reason.
We have a lot of data indicating that our history, our ancient, ancient history, is not exactly as it has been portrayed.
I'm thinking, for instance, of Charles Hapgood and the so-called Pira Reis map, which was found many years ago in the 20s, they actually found a copy of a map by this British, not British, Turkish admiral, Pira Reis.
And none other than FDR and the Secretary of State got really interested in the 30s at the discovery in Turkey of a version of this map.
And Hapgood published in his book, which has been reprinted by Dover, a series of letters going back between the administration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the Turkish administration trying to get hold of the map.
So there was a lot of interest around the 30s in this ancient window on an ancient technology which was stunningly more advanced than any navigation on this planet up until the 1800s, which of course is one of the solid evidences that we have that maybe we're not the first, maybe we're not the first high civilization to exist on this planet.
Well I find it remarkable that this fawing and cloning of this huge, amazing beast that disappeared, went extinct at the end of the last ice age, should be in the same timeframe that we discover other evidence that we may, in fact, not have been the first.
Well, the prevailing theory, the mainstream theory, is that Stone Age hunters on the North American continent were such efficient killers and hunters that they literally hunted them to extinction.
Even though the climatic conditions were conducive to them thriving even after the ice melted, because we know they existed in very deep ice regimes, they apparently disappeared when conditions got a lot sunnier, a lot warmer.
What I would recommend, given who you are and given what this audience is, is that you make an effort to get hold of the researcher.
I believe he's in the Midwest at one of the universities there and get him on the show and go through the story and point out some of these downside dangers.
I'm sure he might want enough time to, I mean, he talked, when I saw the brief interview today, he talked as if this was the magical completion of the goal of the lifetime.
So I don't think he would be hesitant to discuss, you know, his hopes, his dreams, the fruition, the plans, etc.
Well, I mean, the problem with dinosaurs, at least the conventional problem is you're dealing with creatures that are at a minimum 65 million years of age.
Well, as a matter of fact, a couple three years ago, there was a story that came out of Montana along about the time that the dinosaur named Sue became kind of controversial.
And there was a young grad student, I don't remember her name, it may have been Helen, but she was working with one of the chief paleontologists who I think was the consultant to Spielberg on Jurassic Park.
This is all dim memory.
The point is that we found through an interesting series of inquiries and phone calls that this young grad student on opening the femur of one of these Tyrannosaurus rexes which had been found in Montana or Wyoming.
By the way, this coming Monday night, I am going to be here live because towards the end of the week, I'm going to be going to Mackinac Island in Michigan for the Somewhere in Time reunion.
So live with Ghost Ghost on Monday, and then Tuesday, Chris Carter, executive producer of Harsh Realm and, of course, X-Files and on and on and on, is going to be here in the first hour.
Second hour is going to be Eric Geller.
So I thought I would pass that on to you once again, Richard C. Holtman.
Well, actually, this is interesting because it means that we can actually kind of eavesdrop and look over these guys' shoulders and see what's really going on.
Not that far away.
You approach him from the west, and I'll approach him from the east.
He's been acting, ABC story says Clinton cuts loose.
I've got that story, and it suggests that he's been acting in rather rather odd ways lately and getting very blunt and very I'm not sure what the right word to use would be here.
After the nuclear test span treaty was voted down, Clinton held a press conference, I guess, a day or two following.
And we can get, of course, the C-SPAN view or the C-SPAN repeat.
That's the beauty of C-SPAN, which I taped.
I mean, I kind of archived these things because you never know when something relevant to the things we're looking at will kind of slip in or pop up or whatever.
The most extraordinary thing happened.
This president has held, I don't know how many press conferences.
He has held press conferences with heads of state from all around the world.
He has, you know, held them by himself.
He has held forth in the Rose Garden.
He is the master of the extemporaneous remark.
He is, you know, at times he outreagens Reagan in terms of being able to handle himself on his feet.
Even the most difficult, awkward, embarrassing questions, somehow this guy, you know, he is the Teflon president.
Well, at the end of this press conference, where he was obviously, you know, aiming at the Republicans right between the eyes for what had been done to the tree, he ends it.
It ends on a solid note.
He turns to walk.
You know how they have the camera set up where you have the podium in front of that big, long hallway with the red carpet all the way up?
And it's in full view, and of course, C-SPAN cameras are running, and they keep the audio running, and the buzz among the press, the world press gathered is, what the hell is going on?
The president has been locked out of the White House.
There was, however, a beginning of a bizarre twist to this story in Chicago a few months ago, and it continued tonight in Washington at a fundraising dinner.
Because instead of, well, he showed up at this, I believe it was AFL-CIO meeting in Chicago in the middle of the summer, and everyone was primed that he would be giving a speech strongly in support of his vice president and his successor, carry on the work of the administration Al Gore.
Instead, he regaled the audience with a discussion of what it would be like if he could run for a third term.
Could remain in office until the emergency was over.
So I've been tracking the number of occasions.
I mean, this is the only president in modern history who has ever, at the end of his legal two terms, kept voicing the opinion that he would Love to run and that he would win if he could run and he'd like to stay on, etc., etc.
And there are stories now detailing all of what we're talking about on your website.
If you connect through my name or through Enterprise or go to Enterprise directly, you will see we've set up a whole page which is devoted to this Clinton bizarreness.
The most bizarre of which is the story that you referred to a moment ago about him going out Sunday night playing golf all by himself in the rain in the dead of night.
Drudge report for October 17th at 2307 E.T. Clinton golfs alone in rain and dark.
President Clinton played a full 18 holes of golf on Sunday evening, all by himself in the rain.
Clinton completed a full round in pitch dark at a deserted Army-Navy country club in Arlington, Virginia, in a development one Clinton insider called odd.
Quote, it was odd, it was strange, the Clinton insider, who has known the president for more than 20 years, told the Drudge Report on Sunday evening.
Quote, I'm worried.
It sounds completely out of character.
Maybe he is working off stress or he's using golf as a form of therapy or prevention.
He's promised Hillary no more cheating, said the Clinton insider.
Maybe he felt urges and went out to the golf course rather than give in to the urges.
Secret Service agents and news media were given only minutes' notice before Clinton departed for the club.
Quote, he was playing in the pitch dark.
He was swinging and wildly hitting balls everywhere, one pool reporter told an associate in the White House pressroom after the trip.
Well, I am looking at anomalies that would confirm or deny what we're all very heavily researching behind the scenes, which is, is something major going to go down on November 7th of this year?
We have, as you know, been in touch with a former member of the National Security Council, who in fact has a couple of good Secret Service friends who he asked about this bizarre escapade.
And the Secret Service guys gave a version of a story which with a wink and a nod, they basically told our source not to believe, that there was something else going on.
The ostensible reason was that Clinton was furious over a second treaty that we're attempting to have modified with the Russians, which is the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the ABM Treaty.
And we, in fact, have contributed a lot of money, many millions of dollars, to the development of a very high-power radar in the former Soviet Union, it turns out, in return for their acquiescence in the modification of this treaty.
And it looks as if the Republicans are going to stymie that effort as well.
So that was the ostensible reason, according to these three conservative sources, except they then turned to our source and said, but don't put too much stock in that.
We are looking for confirmation of some kind of event that appears to be coming out of the shadowy dark.
Now, our NSC source weeks ago, as we started intensively trying to track through what he knew and who was talking to him, mentioned October 17th as a critical day in this run-up to November 7th.
He said that November 17th, a major set of events would be set in motion.
One scenario was that there would actually be something that would precipitate the, how should I say, questioning of certain people who are not friendly to official government positions on some of these issues.
The fact of the matter is that that was the date that we were told maybe, just maybe, something would be happening at the presidential level in terms of enactment of orders in the event that some of these rumors turn out to be more than rumors.
So when this report came to my attention that Clinton is out in the dark with the press go, remember, if a president wants to take it out on furniture or glassware or dishes, he's got a whole residential floor.
No one would ever know.
He could bust up the whole place and nobody would ever know.
So what Clinton did was specifically, at the last minute, leave the White House and round up everybody who was in the press room on that Sunday evening and take them with him to watch him hit balls wildly in all directions in full view of the National Press Corps.
And people were looking and commenting on aberrant behavior.
Now, obviously, the president wanted this aberrant behavior to be noticed.
Why?
He has been making comments about a third term to be noticed.
Why?
There's one other data point.
No one can figure out why Clinton signed this release order for the FLN terrorists in New York City.
It just made no sense.
It made no sense in terms of his own administration.
My theory, and again, it's merely part of this shadowy thing We're trying to put together is that maybe this president is trying to tell us that he is really not running the system.
If there is an event and some on the inside suspect that it's being planned for the end of the year, and if they also suspect that there isn't anything they can really do about it, except maybe try to alert quietly those who are perceptive to take their own steps to not be in town when something untoward goes down,
it may be a way of calling attention to things that you cannot stand behind the podium in the East Room and talk to the world and the nation about because of the fear of panic.
Remember, there was a major discussion in that ABC series about how much can you tell the public how soon for fear of social disorder, social dislocation.
If we're looking at anything here, what we really need is more help.
We've got one solid source, a guy with impeccable credentials who is serious.
You talk to him, you know that he himself is clean.
We have concerns about the data he's been getting, about the sourcing he's been getting.
What would help us enormously out there tonight, everyone listening to us, is if somebody would call Art or fax me or call me or email Art or communicate in some way that they have solid information of whatever is planned, if anything is planned.
And again, we don't know specifically that anything is planned.
We've had, as you know, anonymous sources regarding this event.
We also had some intel sources I've dealt with over the years who have called and confirmed that something is going down, but even they are not sure exactly what.
We need more people like our NSE source who is willing to go on the air, on the record.
He's willing to talk to major newspapers, major television shows.
He's willing to talk to art.
We need more good Americans who believe in the Constitution.
And if they know that something is being planned, let them come forward.
Because the one thing I can tell you tonight is if it's being, if it's going to go down, it's being planned.
It's not an act of God.
And this includes up to the so-called meteor or asteroid scenario.
The technology exists on those STS videos, 48 and 80, under someone's control that's not from an outside source, some black ops project, to manipulate, maneuver, and deflect whatever is coming our way.
So the honest guys, let's assume for a minute that Clinton was briefed for the first time on Sunday night on what might be coming and the fact there's nothing that the Pentagon says that can be done about it.
A la Stephen Greer.
Under that scenario, I can imagine that he would basically take the press car out and whack balls in every direction because golf balls are a clear metaphor for projectiles landing willy-nilly in less than nothing.
Yeah, but Richard, the one piece that doesn't fit is if there's going to be an event that would precipitate the declaration of an emergency that would keep him in office, that is something he would like.