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Oct. 21, 1999 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Richard C. Hoagland - Wooly Mammoth Discovery (hour 1)
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nye.
Well, good morning, everybody.
We're about, I guess, soon to get a woolly mammoth, a full 60-ton woolly mammoth back alive again, because they've got one in the ice with green grass around it.
They're going to take hair dryers, de-thaw it, They obviously are going to get a complete sequence of DNA
and...
Ha ha ha!
Before we know it...
Wooly Boy is gonna be back.
Oh my, isn't that good?
Here is the cat.
Great to be with you coming up shortly.
A man's they have in effigy at NASA.
A one-time advisor to NASA.
a one-time advisor to NASA.
You know what they do to effigies, right?
One-time advisor to Walter Cronkite and the Angstrom Science Award winner,
Richard C. Hoagland, with a number of things we want to cover for you
this morning.
Ah.
Something so captivating about that song for me.
Underway in a moment.
By the way, once again, website alert.
We have really got some interesting stuff up tonight.
So does Richard C. Hoagland.
He'll tell you about that in a second.
We have a photograph of a stealth ship in the ocean.
It's real.
And I've never seen a picture of it before, but it looks like the waterborne version of the F-117.
Damnedest thing I ever saw.
It's up there now.
With respect to a conversation we had the other night, with Lori, you may recall we talked about three men and a baby and one frame of that movie showing a young fellow staring out a window, or by a window.
Somebody sent me that frame, that one frame, and it's on my website right now.
And then, to add to it all, we have the We have the king of all contrail photographs.
Absolutely the king of all contrail photographs.
And when you look at it, you will realize the message is simple.
The message is, we lose.
Take a look.
By the way, the website, Before the Weekend Ends, maybe, who knows, Before the Night Ends, He's going to roll over to 50 million hits.
We're coming up on 50 million, 50 million hits.
Here is the man in effigy in Pasadena and Florida and Houston and boy, they just love him everywhere.
Richard C. Oakland.
Hi, Richard.
Good morning, Art.
Well, this effigy thing, we're going to have to work up another intro because it's kind of wearing a little thin.
Well, I don't usually use effigy.
I think I use hallowed halls and maybe bust in lining the halls or something like that.
Effigy is new.
Well, I've had feedback from listeners who actually think that you're serious.
I'm serious.
You know, I was astonished that people can't, you know, see firmly on the webcam tongue in cheek, but some people can't.
Richard, you're not loved in much of NASA.
I mean, there is some truth in that, as you well know.
Well, there's a lot of people who are very confused, I think, in NASA right now, because it's like a lot of people in government and in the country.
What is really going on?
Sure.
We have people after the loss of Mars Orbiter, who before would never use the word cover story, Well, I don't think it's a lot.
I think there's a lot who are confused.
Well, that's true.
We had one on the other night.
Tom Van Flandern.
Tom Van Flandern.
Absolutely.
He's Tom.
He's said that.
He's never said it.
Tom, as you know, runs at warp nine from any hint of conspiracy.
Well, I didn't say whether you were right or wrong.
I just said a lot of them don't like you.
Well, I don't think it's a lot.
I think there's a lot who are confused.
I think there is a core, a cadre that definitely don't like us because we're pursuing, you
know, doggedly and very persistently what is, in fact, going on.
Well, yes, but Richard, if your theories are correct about who they are, they're the ones that are in real control.
Yeah, but those people are very small and few and far between.
The ones that I'm concerned about are the middle of the curve.
Most of us who don't really understand that there are two agendas, there appear to be two governments.
I mean, Ed Mitchell, who is a NASA person in good standing, has been on your show and has said there are two governments in these United States.
That's right.
Dually elected and then the one that we didn't elect.
Right.
Well, one likes you and the other doesn't.
Well, but would you expect any less or any more?
Absolutely not.
And time will tell if we have been correct.
There's a lot of things that I want to get through tonight because we don't have a lot of time.
Richard, based on what's happened to the two of us over recent times, I don't have any doubt.
Believe it or not.
Okay.
Alright.
And that means not just you, but it means me too.
They don't come after you for nothing, Richard.
I don't think so.
No.
Okay.
Alright.
We do have a lot to talk about.
I do want to get your comments.
This amazing story now, just hours old, about the frozen body of a mammoth, a woolly mammoth, a full 60-ton adult woolly mammoth with green grass in the ice.
Scientists are going to take Well, I think this is an extraordinary step forward, scientifically.
I heard you discussing with Linda there's a possible downside.
I don't see it.
in the grass for that matter and then they are going to obviously have fresh meat and
they are going to get a full DNA sequence and we may get a woolly mammoth and I think
you know more about how.
Well I think this is an extraordinary step forward scientifically.
I heard you discussing with Linda there's a possible downside.
I don't see it.
In fact I think this poor little guy when he or she is born.
Little?
Well they start little.
It's going to be definitely on the endangered list because A, there will only be one on the entire planet, and B, since... I mean, let's go through what they're going to do.
They're going to try to get cells which will reproduce.
They will basically do the same procedure they did with Dolly, the infamous sheep in Scotland, and they will then have to implant this genetic material in the nucleus of another animal, another kind of cell, to
bring it to term.
And they have chosen, as I understand from the literature, an elephant.
An elephant.
Because that is the closest, you know, related creature that currently exists to the woolly mammoth.
Now the audience should understand, what would be birthed, if it was successful, would not be a cross between an elephant and a mammoth.
It would be a full, a full-blooded, down-down mammoth.
100% mammoth.
Now here's the problem.
It would only have one sex.
At the moment.
Until they find another mammoth and do this with another mammoth, then you won't be able to breed a herd.
But here's the interesting question.
You worried before about diseases.
Last week, I believe, had a show Where she was reporting on a group at Syracuse State University who are looking in deep ice cores for preserved viruses.
30 to 40 million years old, yes.
And the closer you get in time, the more viable the viruses are and the more potentially dangerous they become.
Well, this little guy, if they succeed in the cloning, will not carry any viruses because it will literally be from one cell.
Gotcha.
And it will be a pristine virgin birth.
Here's the problem.
This little guy lived, or his parent, or his clone mate, will have lived between 15 and 20 some thousand years ago.
That means that any and all diseases currently alive on planet Earth will play havoc with this little guy's immune system.
Because he will have lived at a time.
Oh no, he faces that danger, huh?
He faces an extraordinary danger and they will have to keep him in isolation.
From even simple things.
What about, though, the unfrozen body of the fresh-meated woolly mammoth that they're going to take the DNA sequencing from?
Well, as the researchers, I would be very careful with their hair dryers, because that is a problem.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
No one so far has raised this, but given the viability of the cells, you know, the green grass, the porophyll, the resilience of the flesh, there is a potential problem of, you know, other toxins, not toxins, but, you know, Viable organisms, viruses, bacteria, whatever.
And I would think this all would have to be done in a clean room, with over-pressure from the outside.
Oh, sounds good to me.
That sounds good.
I know what you're saying, obviously.
They have to be very careful, but remember Reston, Virginia.
Oh, of course.
I mean, it just seems to me, I've been watching this story now for the last couple, three days on, you know, CNN and MSNBC and Fox, and nowhere has anybody raised the problem of containment, because if you thaw this guy out, There is the excellent possibility of viable organisms that will be released.
You bet.
That's a much deeper problem than the cloning.
The cloning, now let's get to one of the subjects that I want to move into tonight.
Alright.
I'm intrigued with the timing.
We have had this technology before Dolly.
I mean, Dolly was kind of the visible news of it, but it's been around for a few years before Dolly was successful.
There have been mammoth carcasses found.
Yes.
Not a whole mammoth, but you don't need a whole mammoth.
How many cells in a cubic foot of mammoth meat would you have to experiment with before you get one that would be viable?
Well, I don't think you'd need that much, but it would certainly have to be viable.
In other words, reasonably fresh, or the DNA breaks down.
For the last several decades, going back to the 20s, we've had stories of mammoths, you know, in Siberia, mammoths when they were putting in the Alaska Highway.
We've had lots and lots and lots of reports of samples From the northern tundra, the northern permafrost, and a lot of these are still in freezers, alright, as samples?
Yes.
So I'm intrigued with the timing.
Let's just imagine that we're looking back, that we're looking back to conditions that existed here on Earth between 13,000 and 20-some thousand years ago for a reason.
An Ice Age.
An Ice Age, or in the middle of the last Ice Age.
We have a lot of data indicating that our history Our ancient, ancient history is not exactly as it has been portrayed.
I'm thinking, for instance, of Charles Hapgood and the so-called Piraris map.
Yes.
Which was found many years ago in the 20s.
They actually found a copy of a map by this British, not British, Turkish admiral, Piraris.
And none other than FDR and the Secretary of State got really interested in the 30s.
At the discovery in Turkey of a version of this map.
And Apkut published in his book, which has been reprinted by Dover, a series of letters going back between the administration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the Turkish administration trying to get hold of the map.
So there was a lot of interest around the 30s in this ancient window on an ancient technology which was stunningly more advanced than any navigation on this planet up until the 1800s.
Which, of course, is one of the solid evidences that we have that maybe we're not the first.
Maybe we're not the first high civilization to exist on this planet.
Well, I find it remarkable that this, you know, following and cloning of this huge, amazing beast that disappeared, went extinct at the end of the last ice age, should be in the same time frame that we discover other evidence.
That we may in fact not have been the first, and I'm referring to the glyphs.
Hey Richard, why would the woolly mammoths go extinct just as a matter of curiosity?
Well, the prevailing theory, the mainstream theory is that Stone Age hunters on the North American continent were such efficient killers and hunters that they literally hunted them to extinction.
Even though the climatic conditions were conducive to them thriving even after the ice melted, because we know they existed in very deep ice regimes, they apparently disappeared when conditions got a lot sunnier, a lot warmer.
Well, let me put it this way, Richard.
I hope that theory is correct and that there was not something that killed them all that's still there.
I rest my case.
You're talking bivarial or bacteriological?
Yeah, well that's a very interesting consideration.
And it's not like we've not had viruses that have jumped species even recently.
Exactly.
What I would recommend, given who you are and given what this audience is, is that you make an effort to get hold of the researcher.
I believe he's in the Midwest at one of the universities there.
And get him on the show.
And go through the story and point out some of these downside dangers.
I wonder if he'd want to talk about that.
He seems to be interested in doing television.
I'm sure he might want enough time to... I mean, he talked, when I saw him in a brief interview today, he talked as if this was the magical completion of the goal of a lifetime.
So I don't think he would be hesitant to discuss, you know, his hopes, his dreams, the fruition, the plans, etc.
Oh, well, I'm sure that a Nobel Prize is glittering above his head.
If you can imagine a cartoon, you know, it's sitting up there above his head.
Well, you know, if this works, there's a potential for bringing back a number of extinct species.
Oh, sure!
Dinosaurs!
Dinosaurs!
Well, I mean, the problem with dinosaurs, at least the conventional problem, is you're dealing with With creatures that are at a minimum 65 million years of age.
That's right.
And the problem there is the viability of actual blood cells.
I mean, you can't clone a fossil because you're basically subsiding minerals for the active organic ingredients in the cell structure.
Unless they can find one that got roughly instantly frozen in the same way this mammoth did.
Well, as a matter of fact, a couple, three years ago, there was a story that came out of Montana.
Along about the time that the dinosaur named Sue became kind of controversial.
I remember Sue.
And there was a young grad student, I don't remember her name, it may have been Helen, but she was working with one of the chief paleontologists who I think was the consultant to Spielberg on Jurassic Park.
Right.
This is all dim memory.
The point is that we found through an interesting series of inquiries and phone calls that this young grad student on On opening the femur of one of these Tyrannosaurus Rexes, which have been found in Montana or Wyoming.
They're the real mean ones.
Had actually found in the center of the bone.
The femur of a T-Rex is a huge mass, weighing, you know, hundreds if not a thousand pounds.
They find viable DNA?
They found viable blood cells.
Alright, well that would do it then.
Somewhere, in some lab, somebody is about to produce a T-Rex then.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe this is just foreshadowing more interesting things to come.
Is it a brave new world, or is it a brave old world?
Well, I've seen all the Japanese monster movies.
All right, Richard, listen.
What I want you to do is hold on.
When we come back, we're going to talk about the recent interesting behavior of our president, if we can.
All right?
Okay.
Stay right where you are.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Art Bell.
Richard C. Hoagland is my guest.
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I'm Art Bell.
Richard C. Hoagland is here.
And by the way, our woolly mammoth friend, perfectly preserved in ice, has been flown to guess where?
Arizona.
Now, I live in the American Southwest, as you well know from the recent earthquake info.
And during the summer here, it can get to 118 degrees, as it does down in Arizona.
And of course, Y2K is coming, and you know me, I always tend to sort of look at the negative side of things, and somehow, in my mind, I picture this 118 degree day, and... Uh-oh, Harry.
Better check it.
it, the power has failed.
By the way, this coming Monday night I am going to be here live because toward the end of the week I'm going to be going to Mackinac Island in Michigan for the Somewhere in Time reunion.
So live with Ghost to Ghost on Monday and then Tuesday Chris Carter, executive producer of Harsh Realm and of course X-Files and on and on and on is going to be here in the first hour.
Second hour is going to be Eric Geller.
So I thought I would pass that on to you.
Once again, Richard C. Holden.
Richard, you're back on the air.
Hi there.
Hi.
By the way, you know I live downwind?
Weather systems go from west to east, Art.
That's right.
Because it's coming this way.
And 7,000 feet, that'd be about first place it would track.
Thank you.
You're very welcome.
But I mean, in Arizona, you know, Harry, the power's off, what do we do?
Well, actually, this is interesting, because it means that we can actually kind of eavesdrop and look over these guys' shoulders and see what's really going on.
Not that far away.
You approach him from the west, I'll approach him from the east.
Alright, listen.
Our president, and I've got a story here on it, he's been acting... The story is, ABC's story says, Clinton cuts loose.
I've got that story, and it suggests that he's been acting in rather... rather odd ways lately, and getting very blunt and very...
I'm not sure what the right word to use would be here.
How about on edge?
On edge?
Yeah, that's I suppose a good word.
Did you see the press conference the other day?
No, I did not.
After the nuclear test ban treaty was voted down, Clinton held a press conference I guess a day or two following.
And we can get of course the C-span view or the C-span repeat.
That's the beauty of C-span.
Which I tape.
I mean, I kind of archive these things because you never know when something relevant to the things we're looking at will kind of slip in or pop up or whatever.
The most extraordinary thing happened.
This president has held I don't know how many press conferences.
He has held press conferences with heads of state from all around the world.
He has, you know, held them by himself.
He has held forth in the Rose Garden.
He is the master of the extatemporaneous remark.
You know, at times he out-Regans Reagan in terms of being able to handle himself on his feet.
Even the most difficult, awkward, embarrassing questions, somehow this guy, you know, he is the Teflon President.
He feels them.
And also, he really begins telling all when he's tired.
Yes.
Well, at the end of this press conference, where he was obviously, you know, aiming at the Republicans right between the eyes for what had been done to the treaty, he ends it, it ends on a solid note, he turns to walk You know how they have the camera set up where you have the podium in front of that big, long hallway?
Yes.
With the red carpet all the way up?
Yes.
The President of the United States, the 800-pound gorilla of the free world, turns, majestically walks back down the hall, the C-SPAN camera pans out to give us this beautiful framed shot.
He then makes a sharp left-hand turn to enter the White House and the door that he entered to begin the press conference And the door is locked.
He cannot get in to the White House.
And it's in full view, and of course C-SPAN cameras are running, and they keep the audio running, and the buzz among the press, the world press gathered is, what the hell is going on?
The President has been locked out of the White House.
I figure it was Hillary.
In a few seconds, he moves further down the hall and goes out the end door.
Five guys come out of this door on the left and stand, you know, big guys, service type guys.
That's right, with little earphones.
It was bizarre because it was so symbolic of some of the other abnormalities and oddities that have been going on around this president.
For instance, this president over the last several months has been ostensibly priming the pump for Al Gore, his, you know, to-be successor.
Yes.
There was, however, a beginning of a bizarre twist to this story in Chicago a few months ago, and it continued tonight in Washington at a fundraising dinner.
Oh?
Because instead of, well, he showed up at this, I believe it was AFL-CIO meeting in Chicago in the middle of the summer.
And everyone was primed that he would be giving a speech strongly in support of his vice president and his successor, carry on the work of the administration, Al Gore.
Instead, he regaled the audience with a discussion of what it would be like if he could run for a third term.
I heard that.
And it was perplexing and confounding and dumbfounding to most people because, of course, of the, I believe it was the 25th Amendment.
22nd.
22nd.
He cannot, the 25th is his succession when the president is incapacitated.
That's correct.
He cannot, you know, succeed himself for a third term under any imaginable scenario except one.
If there is some national or international emergency, And the executive orders for martial law go into effect.
They're already signed in place.
Then William Jefferson Clinton, like FDR... The ability to sign is all in place.
...could remain in office until the emergency was over.
So I've been tracking the number of occasions... I mean, this is the only president in modern history who has ever, at the end of his legal two terms, kept voicing the opinion that he would love to run and that he would win if he could run And he'd like to stay on, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
I agree.
He would win.
He would win.
Tonight, he did it again.
And there are stories now detailing all of what we're talking about on your website, if you connect through my name, or through Enterprise, or go to Enterprise directly, you will see we've set up a whole page which is devoted to this Clinton bizarreness.
The most bizarre of which is the story that you referred to a moment ago about him going out Sunday night Playing golf, all by himself, in the rain.
In the dead of night.
Playing golf, 18 holes, right?
Yep.
By himself, in the dark, in the rain.
This is the Dredge Report.
With reporters.
With reporters.
Get this, alright?
Sure.
Dredge Report for October 17th at 2307 ET.
Clinton golfs alone in rain and dark.
President Clinton played a full 18 holes of golf on Sunday evening, all by himself, in the rain.
Clinton completed a full round in pitch dark at a deserted Army-Navy country club in Arlington, Virginia, in a development one Clinton insider called odd.
Quote, it was odd, it was strange, the Clinton insider, who was known the president for more than 20 years, told the Drudge Report on Sunday evening.
Quote, I'm worried.
It sounds completely out of character.
Maybe he is working off stress, or he's using golf as a form of therapy or prevention.
He's promised Hillary no more cheating, said the Clinton insider.
Maybe he felt urges and went out to the golf course rather than give in to the urges.
Secret service agents and news media were given only minutes notice before Clinton departed for the club.
Quote, he was playing in the pitch dark.
He was swinging and wildly hitting balls everywhere.
One pool reporter told an associate in the White House press room after the trip.
Maybe there's some metaphoric content in whacking balls that way, Richard.
Well, I am looking at anomalies that would confirm or deny what we're all very heavily researching behind the scenes, which is, is something major going to go down on November 7th of this year?
Rumor alert.
And I have been looking to Washington sources.
We have, as you know, been in touch with a former member of the National Security Council.
Who, in fact, has a couple of good Secret Service friends who he asked about this bizarre escapade.
I spoke to him earlier.
And the Secret Service guys gave a version of a story which, with a wink and a nod, they basically told our source not to believe.
That there was something else going on.
The ostensible reason was that Clinton was furious over a second treaty that we're attempting to have modified with the Russians, which is the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.
The ABM Treaty.
And we in fact have contributed a lot of money, many millions of dollars, to the development of a very high power radar, in the former Soviet Union it turns out, in return for their acquiescence in the modification of this treaty.
And it looks as if the Republicans are going to stymie that effort as well.
So that was the ostensible reason according to these three conservative sources, except they then turned to our source and said, but don't put too much stock in that.
So, what do I think is going on?
Well, let me add one more thing and then tell us what you think is going on.
Okay.
There is also another rumor, underlying rumor, that the President intends to address the nation on December 31st at 11.50 p.m.
Now, you gotta wonder what he might say.
Ten minutes to midnight?
Yeah, ten to midnight.
Anyway, what do you think it all means?
Well, obviously we don't know.
We are looking for clues.
We are looking for sources.
We're looking for confirmation of some kind of event that appears to be coming out of the shadowy dark.
Now, our NSC source, weeks ago, as we started intensively trying to track through what he knew and who was talking to him, mentioned October 17th as a critical day in this run-up to November 7th.
He said that November 17th, a major set of events would be set in motion.
One scenario was that there would actually be something that would precipitate the, how
should I say, questioning of certain people who are not friendly to official government
positions on some of these issues.
You mean like you?
Well, I guess like me, okay?
The fact of the matter is that if that was the date that we were told maybe, just maybe,
would be happening at the presidential level in terms of enactment of orders.
In the event that some of these rumors turn out to be more than rumors.
So, when this report came to my attention, that Clinton is out in the dark, with the Presco... Remember, if a president wants to take it out on furniture, or glassware, or dishes, he's got a whole residential floor.
No one would ever know.
He could bust up the whole place and nobody would ever know.
That's right.
So, what Clinton did was specifically, at the last minute, Leave the White House and round up everybody who was in the press room on that Sunday evening and take them with him to watch him hit balls wildly in all directions in full view of the National Press Corps.
And people were looking and commenting on aberrant behavior.
Now obviously the President wanted this aberrant behavior to be noticed.
Why?
He has been making comments about a third term.
Why?
To be noticed.
Why?
There's one other data point.
No one can figure out why Clinton signed this release order for the FLN terrorists in New York City.
Right.
It just made no sense.
It made no sense in terms of his own administration.
Hillary was really upset about that.
Well, because if you look at the polls, and Clinton has been driven by polls, Less than 1% of the Puerto Ricans give a damn about independence.
They want to be part of the United States of America.
Right.
So there was no political hay to be gained on the part of the Puerto Rican community, and you know that Clinton is not out of touch in terms of polls and pollsters, bowling.
He has spent an incredible amount of money on polls to find out which way the wind is blowing.
That's right.
My theory, and again it's merely part of this shadowy thing we're trying to put together, is that maybe this president is trying to tell us That he is really not running the system.
Oh, you know, lame ducks don't care as much about polls.
Or, for that matter, what they say as much.
But talk of a third term, now that's a little disturbing.
Well, it's repeating.
It's over and over and over again.
I mean, I was startled tonight to find more references.
Two more references in the last couple weeks.
Now, let me tell you what I think is going on with this terrorist business in New York.
If there is some event And remember ABC ran a full week of bioterrorism?
Of course, yes.
If there is an event, and some on the inside suspect that it's being planned for the end of the year, and if they also suspect that there isn't anything they can really do about it, except maybe try to alert quietly those who are perceptive to take their own steps to not be in town when something untoward goes down, it may be A way of calling attention to things that you cannot stand behind the podium in the East Room and talk to the world and the nation about because of the fear of panic.
Remember, there was a major discussion in that ABC series about how much can you tell the public how soon for fear of social disorder, social dislocation.
Right.
If we're looking at anything here, what we really need is more help.
We've got one solid source, a guy with impeccable credentials, who is serious.
You talk to him, you know that he himself is clean.
We have concerns about the data he's been getting, about the sourcing he's been getting.
Yes.
What would help us enormously out there tonight, everyone listening to us, is if somebody would call Art, or fax me, or call me, or email Art, or communicate in some way, That they have solid information of whatever is planned, if anything is planned.
And again, we don't know specifically that anything is planned.
Do you want to give out your fax number?
Absolutely.
Do it.
Area code 505-771-0820.
Alright.
505-771-0820.
0820.
505-771-0820.
Alright, 505-771-0820.
And that's anybody with...
Specific information we've had, as you know, anonymous sources.
Regarding an event.
Regarding this event.
We also had some intel sources I've dealt with over the years who have called and confirmed that something is going down, but even they are not sure exactly what.
We need more people like our NSE source who is willing to go on the air, on the record.
He's willing to talk to major newspapers, major television shows.
He's willing to talk to art.
We need more good Americans who believe in the Constitution.
And if they know that something is being planned, let them come forward, because the one thing I can tell you tonight is, if it's being, if it's going to go down, it's being planned.
It's not an act of God, and this includes up to the so-called meteor or asteroid scenario.
The technology exists on those STS videos, 48 and 80, under someone's control that's not from an outside source.
Some black ops project.
To manipulate, maneuver, and deflect whatever is coming our way.
So the honest guys, let's assume for a minute that Clinton was briefed for the first time on Sunday night of what might be coming and the fact there's nothing that the Pentagon says that can be done about it, a la Stephen Greer.
Under that scenario, I can imagine that he would basically take the press car out and whack balls in every direction, because golf balls are a clear metaphor for projectiles landing willy-nilly.
Yeah, but Richard, the one piece that doesn't fit is, if there's going to be an event that would precipitate the declaration of an emergency that would keep him in office, that is something he would like.
I mean, he's already said so.
So you wouldn't express it.
But Art has said so because that's the one scenario he doesn't want.
In other words, if this president is a prisoner of a system and forces beyond our control...
Remember, Ed Mitchell, there are two governments.
Remember the first question this president asked when he came into office.
What really happened to JFK?
I know.
And UFOs.
Richard, for the record, how's your heart?
My heart is great.
It's in good shape?
It's in excellent shape.
All right, listen, we're out of time.
My friend, as always, thank you very much.
And you've got your fax number out.
We'll find out what shows up.
And stay tuned.
Stay tuned is indeed the term.
All right, good night.
Richard C. Hoagland.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AF.
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