Stuart Wilde joins Art Bell to explore interdimensional "greys" and etheric vision, claiming these high-vibrational beings—seen in his hotel room or as a 30-foot silver disc—leave physical marks like non-coagulating blood. He links near-death experiences (NDEs) to theta brainwave states, describing a "near-death tube" where dimensions converge, and warns of a coming global collapse fueled by dark transdimensional forces, predicting turbulence by 2000. Wilde’s theories suggest humanity’s spiritual struggles mirror ancient myths like the Formorians vs. Shining Ones, while secret societies and pyramid grids may encode hidden truths about consciousness and control. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands outwest, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north, all the way to the Poland worldwide on the internet.
Thanks to the auspices of, of course, the good people at Broadcast.com that distribute for us.
And, of course, Intel Corporation has come up with this wonderful codec that allows you to go to my website, download the G2 programs.
You're going to want to do that, believe me.
Put it into your computer, go back to the website, and actually now it's on the main page.
Just click on streaming video, and you can not only see, but you can hear the show underway.
It'll be abbreviated by one hour tonight.
We've got a lot to do.
I'm going to kick out of here about one hour early so I can get a little bit of sleep before the airplane ride.
Fortuna, California, on its way to Medford, Oregon.
You might sort of decide if you're anywhere within high up in the air, 29,000 feet.
So we should have a good signal.
Leaving Fortuna about 6 in the morning for Medford, Oregon, and then leaving Medford, I don't know, shortly thereafter, to arrive in Peru, Nevada.
You can kind of draw a line here if you want to.
Between, oh, I don't know, between 9 and 9.30, leaving probably closer to 10 o'clock.
Then we'll fly over the Mesquite area.
We'll fly over Cheyenne, Wyoming, land in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and then on to Mackinac Island.
In the second half hour, I have an interview with Jane Seymour.
In the first half hour, I've got confirmation of a monstrous story that I sort of teased you with yesterday.
Peter Davenport, in the southern tier of the U.S., two heavy aircraft both reported, flight crews both reported a monstrous triangle moving at incredible speeds.
Well, all right, you heard about this last night on the program, and I know it's hard to believe, but two heavies, heavy aircraft in the southern tier of the U.S. sighted something incredible, and Peter passed it on to me tonight.
Peter is here to validate for you what he told me last night.
Peter, from the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, welcome.
Yeah, we have a really interesting report for our listeners tonight.
And since we have such limited time tonight, and since I know that you've already prepped your listeners not only tonight, but last night as well, allow me, if you would, to go to the first cut, just 51 seconds long, of the first hint we had had, that we received rather, that something unusual had happened yesterday morning over the southern United States.
Let me just play this audio cut, and I think it'll give our listeners a good idea for what happened.
And then we'll play the cut with the actual crew member who watched this object go by his plane.
But here's the first report we had yesterday morning.
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On 2.45 in the morning, or it was 2.45 in the morning, Tuesday morning, October 26th, and a couple of signs of aircraft at 37,000 feet.
And they'd be instructed to call you in the next few days, and here they will.
One of them both crew members saw the white, three white, and they were at their altitude 37,000 feet.
And they were coming at the aircraft and made a hardlift turn.
The object made a hardlift turn.
And it was about 30 miles south and saw the same thing.
And hopefully they'll give you a call and give you their descriptions.
For the sake of the audience, obviously little snippets were missing from that.
And folks, what we've done is eliminate the cities in question because we still, at this point, don't want it known until there's further investigation precisely where it occurred.
And not only have we deleted the location there, Art, but that gentleman will identify as just a professional in the aviation industry, whether on the ground or in the air, military or civilian.
We'll leave that up to the listener's imagination.
But that was the first hint that we had that something unusual had happened yesterday morning.
Now, if I may, let me just go to, oh, this is about a three-minute cut of my conversation with one of the crew members who actually laid eyes on this thing.
Towards the end of the cut, our listeners will be able to hear this gentleman's credentials as an aviator.
But here we go, about a three-minute cut of the gentleman who saw this triangular object yesterday morning, the 26th of October, go right by not only his aircraft, but another aircraft that was about 100 miles to the north of them.
They both saw this object.
Here we go.
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What we saw was three bright lights show up at about our 11 o'clock, about 37,000 feet altitude, which was our current altitude.
And they're extremely bright, perfect triangular formation.
You can see a faint light in between, a line actually, in between the lights.
And as we watched it moving from west to east, and this is over, the lights all of a sudden started fading and disappeared out of nowhere.
And just as they appeared, they disappeared.
And we asked ATC, hey, is there anybody here?
And there was nobody there except about 100 miles away from us.
And these lights were too bright to be any other airplane, especially from the rear end because moving east, we had no lights that bright.
we're going 0.8 so we're doing 0.8 mock and over the ground we're probably doing 555 540 ground speed and for it to move from our 10 to 1130 at the short time had to be either a fighter moving at that speed or something else the thing that got me was the size of it the the lights were so bright and the size of whatever it was was so
large to close as big as your clenched fist at arm's length.
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Yes, and not being on TCAS that and thinking, well, that's got to be over 40 miles away or closer, I don't know, so large, you would think it would be fairly close to you.
Yeah, both headed eastbound towards the east coast, different destinations, 100 miles apart, they're talking to one another on the radio.
They see this object with three lights on it, and the lights were extraordinarily bright, this gentleman reported to us, streaking from their 10 o'clock position.
The southernmost aircraft saw it coming, and apparently, according to one gentleman, it made a turn, and then it streaked by this aircraft going from this aircraft's 10 o'clock position to 11.30 position in about a minute.
And then the lights just faded out, like turning the lights down with a rheostat.
The interesting thing, this gentleman, I asked him whether, and you heard this in his statement, I asked him whether he could cover it with his thumbnail held at arm's length, and he said, no way, he said, it was as big as my fist held at arm's length.
That is 10 degrees of arc subtended, and the object appeared to be large to the crews of both aircraft.
So it was at least 40 or 50 miles from each aircraft, and it appeared large, and it covered about 20 degrees, maybe 30 degrees from their vantage point in about one minute.
Boy, it's not that frequently you get to commercial crews reporting something as serious as that.
People better sit back and think about what's going on here.
I said this to you, I think, earlier today, and you said, the amount of reports I'm getting, you said, Art, I think these may be the last days, is what I think you said, Peter.
It fluctuates from day to day, of course, but yesterday was very busy.
This is what our listeners have heard is only one report of the five reports we had, five major reports, four of which were reporting triangular, very large triangular-shaped objects.
We took also another report from the state of Mississippi, very good report from a gentleman who is a commercial pilot.
He's a ham radio operator.
He and his sons were standing outside at 2312 Central Daylight Time last night, Tuesday night, and they saw a very, very large object come at them.
This is a very good one, and I would like to play this.
This guy, he has had a UFO report in the past, but he elected not to report it.
He's sort of a humble guy, despite his credentials.
Let me just go to this, oh, it's about a two-minute report of what was seen over the state of Mississippi last night.
I'll let this guy speak for himself.
Here we go.
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He had a whole bunch of landing lights on him.
so I just stood there and watched and it looked to be about about 1,500 feet northbound and it stopped and hovered momentarily this thing was huge and I mean huge looked looked to be about the size of a probably a DC-10 What was so strange about it, it didn't make any noise whatsoever.
Me and my boys went out, we were outside.
We're kind of out in the country, and it just, everything's real quiet.
The dark could finish a good, oh, I'd say a good three minutes.
But at the angle that I was looking at it, I know for a fact that it stopped and hovering.
And it was only brief.
And then it continued on its northerly course.
It was triangular shaped in a sense.
I couldn't tell the total outline, but the marking system of this, whatever it was, it had nothing but white lights on it.
Okay.
And we had time to go in and get the binoculars and come back out.
We're going to have these reports posted to our website and many, many others, probably about 200 new reports, probably on Sunday when our webmaster gets back in town and people will be able to see with their own eyes what has been reported to us over our website in the recent past.
We are way short on time, so I'm going to say donations to the National UFO Reporting Center are welcome and needed.
That's what keeps them alive up there, folks.
You would simply send a check or a few bucks to the National UFO Reporting Center, P.O. Box 45623, University Station in Seattle, Washington, zip code 98145.
And I'll repeat that one more time.
The National UFO Reporting Center, P.O. Box 45623, University Station, Seattle, Washington, 98145.
And if you have something going on immediately, something happening now, there is a hotline number for you to call.
It is Area Code 206-722-3000.
It's good 24 hours a day.
Peter isn't, but it is.
That's Area Code 206-722-3000.
Peter, as always, incredible.
And the follow-up on this, I would like to talk.
If you can get one of those crew members to come on and do an interview, I'd like to do that.
What you just heard was a heavy airline crew member, but one of two that saw it.
All right.
Once again, in the morning, we're going to get our house sitters all comfortable here, the people who sit the house while we're gone.
And then we're going to fly away.
And Bob Crane and myself and Alan Corbeth, all are amateur radio operators, and we are going to be monitoring the following frequencies, 146.52 on the two-meter band, 146.52 Simplex, and on UHF, 446 Simplex.
The plane will leave Fortuna at about 6 in the morning, if all goes well, arriving in Medford sometime later, then taking off for Pahrump, Nevada, landing here in Pahump 9.30 to 9 to 9.30, somewhere in there, leaving about 10.
We'll then fly over Mesquite, Cheyenne, Wyoming.
We'll stop in Sioux Falls, South Dakota for a little liquid refreshment for the airplane.
And then on to Mackinac Island in Michigan.
So you can kind of look at that flight path.
That's the just-now-filed flight plan.
And if you've got a radio in your ham, you might try and get hold of us somewhere along that line.
We'll arrive in Mackinac Eastern Time at about 6 in the evening.
Of course, you lose about three hours on the way.
There is a very serious flu story that I'm going to get to at the top of the hour.
And coming up after the break, you did it.
Or we did it.
But I miraculously got hold of Jane Seymour, who starred in the movie Somewhere in Time with Christopher Reeves, the movie that has propelled me to make this airplane flight to Mackinac Island and the Grand Hotel.
And somehow, some way, magically, this morning at about 10 a.m., I got to interview Jane Seymour.
That interview is coming up shortly, so you're not going to want to miss it.
You're listening to Arkbell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 27, 1999.
And she knows I'd love to love her.
But she lets me down every time.
Can't make her mine.
She's no one's lover tonight.
With me, she'll be so inviting.
I want her all for myself.
Oh, damn, I dare should I ask.
I'm feeling through my mind.
I'm feeling through my mind.
Oh, temptation eyes.
You gotta love me.
Gotta love me tonight.
Love me, baby.
Nothing better hearted, never a day I can't hear a heart and a tear that's all up the way I can't hear the bad guys, but you're singing Please learn Teohan, and I can't hear him Nothing better hearted, never a day I can't hear a heart and a tear that's all up the way
You're listening to our fellow Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 27th, 1999.
In a moment, an interview coming up with none other than Jane Seymour, co-star of the Somewhere in Time movie that I'm going to go pay tribute to in Mackinac Island tomorrow morning.
Tomorrow, actually.
So, Jane Seymour just around.
Oh, by the way, if you'll check my website right now, my webcam, you'll see the picture of Jane Seymour that in that movie made Christopher Reeves and nearly anybody else who looks at it fall very much in love with her.
I'm going back now to a line in the movie that I'm calling to talk to you about somewhere in time.
And I remember Christopher Reeves sitting there, standing there, actually, and practicing lines that he was going to use on you when he finally met you.
You've had so many successes.
Emmys, Golden Globes, of course, your incredible series, Dr. Quinn.
So many successes, and yet I call you tonight to talk about Somewhere in Time.
Yeah.
I don't know how you feel about that movie, but I must tell you, I believe in the concept of soulmates.
Do you?
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I absolutely do.
And, you know, when we were making that movie, there was a magic that happened to everybody.
It was an extraordinary movie.
It only cost about $2 million to make.
Oh, my.
It was never properly released because Universal had the Blues Brothers $40 million movie coming out the same week, and they sort of didn't even notice we existed.
And there was an actor's strike that time, and we weren't allowed.
Chris and I were not allowed to publicize the movie.
And we were just so frustrated because we loved this movie.
And I conned my friend John Barry into doing the music for nothing.
And subsequently, he would own the rights afterwards.
And of course, he made more money, I think, from that ultimately than any of the other things.
So it was sort of a labor of love.
And it was a very special movie when we made it.
There were no cars allowed on the island, so we were all issued with bicycles.
In my studio, directly behind me right now, I have a picture and have had for a long time of Elise.
And I have never in my life, Jane, seen a more beautiful, classic fall-in-love with instantly face.
It's just, it's absolutely lovely, as are you.
Now, when you did that movie, I talked to Stephen Simon.
I've interviewed him a couple of times now, and he told me a really interesting story about your coming in in costume.
Did you really do that?
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Well, you know, what I used to do is I used to go in for interviews and things, and people would say, well, you know, we can see how you look, but could you play such and such?
And so a long time ago, I thought the smart thing to do would be to show up, not looking like I was in costume, but wearing clothes that were as close to the character as I could get away with while still pretending to be in street clothes.
Well, when you walked in the room, Stephen said everybody looked at everybody and said, that's the end of that.
It's her.
She's alone.
Now, I also believe that love, I've been kind of toying with the idea of time travel all my life.
It has fascinated with me, been a fascination with me.
And I think love is the one thing that actually might do it, if anything ever does, because it's got to be the strongest force on earth.
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I would agree with that.
And, you know, I think there are so many things we really don't understand.
I mean, we know there are so many parts of our brain and of our psyche and of our souls that we can't Pinpoint down that I think it's entirely possible.
And I especially believe that we want to believe that love transcends time and place.
I mean, he definitely inspired Dr. Quinn for me for seven years.
I mean, every day I'd walk on that set and I felt he was right there.
And I thought, what a coincidence that his passion for medicine, for his history of medicine, should suddenly turn into this amazing series that was so wonderful for me for so many years.
I would lay a wager with anybody that if somewhere in time were released today, it would be a smash hit.
Huge hit.
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Well, you know what?
I went to Universal and I said, are you crazy?
You're going to make some good money here.
And I think they did their research and they found that they probably could, but what they wanted to do was to try and see if we could come up with a sequel.
And I don't know how they can come up with a sequel.
I think what they would do that would be much better would be to re-release the original and really do a campaign around it because it's never really been given the opportunity in this country of being shown as a feature.
And I think there's a lot of people who've seen it hundreds of times that would enjoy the experience of going and watching it.
The same way that in a different way, people like going to see the Rocky Horror Picture Show or a Star Wars movie or something.
But this is the ultimate romantic movie, and people I know watch it 15, 20 times, you know, and they really enjoy the experience of sitting there and taking it in.
It's not a question of, well, I've seen that, you know, I know the story.
I mean, the big push right now, he said, is it's a question of how much money they can raise.
The more money they can raise, the sooner they can find a cure to this, because they have the scientists, they have the experiments, they have the people who are willing to be the guinea pigs.
And, you know, they've proven it in laboratory testing with animals that it does work.
And so now it's a question of doing it on human beings.
When I look at Christopher today, he doesn't look different.
His face, he still looks like the same Christopher.
And if he were to be back on his feet, I don't know that I'd see the difference.
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No, I mean, he looks amazing.
And what's amazing about him, though, is he's just inspirational.
And I had a conversation with him once about, you know, obviously no one would ever choose to have this horrible thing happen to him the way that it did.
But of all the people in the world that I know, he is able now to do more with his life in a funny way than he would have done if this had never happened to him.
I mean, he really is changing, he's changing history in terms of medical research because no one had ever considered it was possible to do anything for the spine.
It was one area that they'd all given up on.
And he is the one that's made that happen.
He's changing the world for people who have disabilities.
He's really fighting in government for rights for people.
And he's become an extraordinary activist.
And he really also, I think, has become an inspiration for everyone in the world.
When you think things are tough for you, you just think about the fact that he, not only is it tough for him just to survive moment by moment, but he is going out of his way with what energy he has to help other people.
And it makes you realize that that really is probably the key to happiness, is that when you can do something for someone else, it takes it away from whatever you feel is not right about your life.
What was the chemistry like between the two of you during that movie?
It was such a romantic movie.
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I think one day a book will have to be written on that.
Those of us who were there know, there was a magic, and there has always been a magic.
Chris and I, you know, we were really totally overcome by this movie and a very long-term, wonderful love we really had for each other and still do have.
And it's wonderful because our spouse is a very understanding person and happy about this.
So, you know, he's just a very special person and something magical happened and he just we felt very strongly about each other.
Jane, when you read the part of Elise McKenna, did you know right away?
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Oh, yes.
And I read it.
I just said, I have to play this role.
And I was so superstitious about not getting it that on the day that I went in for the final interview and I actually met Chris, I got into my car and a girl that I barely even knew, a sort of semi-girlfriend, said, I'm turning 40 and I'm freaking out.
Will you please take me far, far away so I can go on a beach?
And so I went off to this faraway beach.
I don't even know where I was.
I was in communicator all day.
And by the time I got back, the phones had been ringing off the hook.
Everyone's tried to leave messages to tell me that I'd got this part, and I'd completely forgotten.
Because, you know, I'd decided to dedicate the rest of the day to helping this girl get through what she thought was going to be a big trauma for her.
Well, you know, going back to if it were released today, I would love to see it re-released because there are so many people who would benefit from the love in that movie.
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I think it would be great, you know, around with the internet and everything.
If people got together and made a campaign to ask Universal to re-release it, maybe it would happen.
I mean, amazing things were happening.
But I think that's one that I think is really worth if people really feel that strongly about it.
And I don't think you're alone.
I know, for one, General Colin Powell, it's his favorite movie of all time.
It is what it is, and it would never be improved on.
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And, you know, when I watched Titanic and the hugeness, I mean, the extraordinariness of Titanic, I kept thinking to myself that Somewhere in Time was in some ways even more moving, and yet it was a small movie.
But there's something really, the same magic that Titanic had, Somewhere in Time has.
And I'm a big movie fan, Jane, but that movie, nothing has ever moved me like that movie.
And I can't even really explain it.
It's just something to my very core that was affected.
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I'll tell you something very interesting, a piece of trivia that you probably don't know, is that when it came out in the Far East, in Hong Kong specifically, they were going to play it for two weeks.
You have a very, very busy schedule, don't you, of shooting?
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Yeah, right now it's pretty crazy.
We're doing a movie for CBS called Murder in the Mirror, and I'm in Every Shot, and James is directing it and producing with Larry Thompson, and I'm filming every day for 18 days.
Well, I'm not going to miss it as I don't miss a thing you do.
Jane, I know you're busy, and I want to thank you.
But one thing, there are a lot of people from all over the country and beyond getting ready to converge in the morning and Friday on Mackinac Island.
And so you might have a word or two for them.
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Well, I really wish I could be with all of them.
I am so upset that I didn't get to make it this year.
I've sent a brief video message, so hopefully they'll put that up on the screen for everybody.
And I will be there.
I will find a way to get there one of these years.
And I just thank you all for being supporters of Somewhere in Time.
And let's see if we can't get it re-released as a feature, because that would be so exciting for us all to see it and to share it with this generation.
It was really neat of her to do on such short notice.
Now, I want to say again, if you want to see the picture that hangs in the history room of the Grand Hotel at Mackinoff, I have taken a studio cam photograph of it, and I'm going to leave it up for, I don't know, another half hour or so.
But if you've never seen it, number one, go and rent this movie.
Absolutely go out and rent this movie.
It's called Somewhere in Time with Jane Seymour and Christopher Reeves.
And then remember what you have seen on my webcam.
You just go to my website at www.artbell.com and go down to the left-hand side Do you see webcam and click on that?
Silly love songs.
Love silly?
I don't think so.
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You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 27th, 1999.
I look around me and I see it songs.
Some people wanna feel the world with a silly love song.
And what's wrong with that?
I'd like to know.
Cause here I go.
Again.
I love you.
I love you.
Longer.
ago in days of old There lived a knight who wasn't quite as bold as a knight should be He rode an old grey mare confess,
Searching for a damsel in distress Just to see a fee To send her free See the night in rusty armor Ride to her aid Trusty sword is hanging at his side
With a rusty blade Up the tower steps he sneaks But as he moves his reins
must be yarns we such a bumble And all the ghosts It must have been the puzzle ghost They jumped for their lives Reaper Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in time.
tonight's program originally aired October 27, 1999 you know I first heard the name Stuart Wild when somebody called me one day and said you stole Stuart Wild's title The Quickening, he wrote a book called The Quickening and that's who's coming up in a few moments with his indulgence I do have a couple of things I've got to get
on, our number one was amazing, we began with Peter Davenport one of the crew members of the
commercial heavy airliner and two actually saw it which in the southern tier of the U.S. saw a giant a gigantic fast-moving triangular object to commercial aircraft crews folks so we did that in the first hour and then in the second part of the first hour we interviewed Jane Seymour who co-starred in none other than Somewhere in Time
and as you uh...
may know i'm a on believable fan of that movie and so i'm gonna bail out a little early cuz i'm on a plane in the morning off or mackinac island and actually i'm going to give you a little bit if i can find it here of my itinerary and here somewhere because we're going to have uh...
we're all hands uh...
allen corbeth uh...
from other networks uh...
bob crane is a ham and i'm a ham That's a lot of hams in one airplane, I'll tell you.
and since it's a private plane he'll let us play with our radios so we're all going to have radios on two frequencies you might write them down if you're a ham 146.520 simplex on two meters 146.52 and 446 446 megahertz in 72 centimeter band and so right here's roughly what's going to occur we're going to leave
fortuna at about six in the morning well we bob will and head up uh...
or a head yes up toward medford oregon so from fortuna to medford in a plant that plot that out on a map and then they'll be leaving that ford for prompt nevada my little town arriving here probably around nine o'clock in the morning something like that as even plot that out and then we'll be leaving for romp uh...
after they juice up the airplane by nine thirty ten o'clock something like that and will be flying over but to give you an example mesquite and area fifty one i want to be a fun rare mesquite and then on up to uh...
over shy and why uh...
wyoming and we're going to make another juice stop airplane juice at sioux falls south dakota and then from sioux falls south dakota onto uh...
mackinac island and with the three hour loss arriving there at about six in the evening but all the way along the route will have will be monitoring one forty six five two and four forty six simplex and i thought i would just pass that on all hands out there might be a lot of fun uh...
there's one other item that i've got to get on here actually a couple of them quickly uh...
looking at the news i see it's a sweet new york one congratulations new york and i want to find the which that did it to atlanta or was it a regular uh...
somebody did it to atlanta actually new york did to it bradley and gore had their talkathon and it was who who who who who who who in armenia something awful has happened gunman seized armenia's parliament torrent of automatic weapons fire that you can see on c_n_n_n_
they actually killed the prime minister and seven other politicians did it for the constitution did it for the the patriotism because they thought their country was going to hell and that's not over yet the dress Marilyn Monroe War when she sang happy birthday to President Kennedy Sold today for $1.2 million.
$1.2 million.
But here's the biggie, and I'm sorry to have to report this to you, but it's on my website.
You can confirm it up there, a Reuters story.
I read you the electronic telegraph version entitled Fear of Flu Epidemic Growing as Deadly Virus Spreads.
A dangerous new strain of flu that could trigger a worldwide epidemic has broken out in Hong Kong.
Now, this story is just now breaking.
They say, like the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic that killed around 20 million people worldwide, the Hong Kong strain is believed to have jumped from pigs to humans.
Wonder if there's a message there.
Health officials were alerted after a 10-month-old girl was admitted to the hospital last month.
Two years ago, a strain of flu from chickens, you'll recall, killed 18 in Hong Kong.
Though health officials are anxious not to cause a panic, they're warning that killer strains usually come from pigs or poultry.
According to new scientists, the girl was successfully treated, but her virus bears the molecular hallmarks of a strain from pigs.
So you're going to definitely want to keep an eye on this story.
And as recent as this is, I would doubt the flu shots have covered it for the year, but I don't know.
I'm not a doctor, so what do I know?
All right.
I think that just about covers it.
As I said, we'll be meeting our house sitters in the morning, getting them all in place, and then we're on the way to the local Pahrump airport.
And maybe you'll talk to us in mid-air.
We'll be at 29,000, 33,000 feet somewhere way up there.
All right, I want to thank Stuart Wilde for his indulgence.
He's coming up next.
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The End Well, I want to thank Stuart Wild for the indulgence.
We just had the most remarkable story in the first hour of the show about this triangle sighted by two commercial heavy airliner pilot crews, and these are people who really know what they're talking about.
Well, my expertise has always been in these sort of interdimensional worlds.
And I started flashing at the skies some years ago a series of mathematical numbers, which many of your listeners would be familiar with, called the Fibonacci numbers.
you know, like our solid world, you know, we perceive it as solid, but then we're not moving at a high enough velocity to comprehend its non-solid state.
And I think they're moving at so much higher velocity to us that they can go from solid to not solid.
So in other words, it's your view that these may not be extraterrestrials necessarily, as in from light years away, but they may simply be with us right now, vibrating in a different way, in a different dimension.
The same way as a ghost can walk through the walls.
So I was in a hotel in Ireland, like 15 years ago in Wexford, and I was lying on my bed, it was 11 at night, and this woman appeared in my room, and she was wearing an old shawl, and she was kind of miserable looking, and she just walked straight through the cupboard and the closet and walked out into the hallway.
Okay, that would be like a low energy or lower energy than, let's say, the Greys, who can act proactively, can come in, change a room, do things.
You know, so she's at one oscillation.
Let's say she's running at 50,000 cycles a second, and the Greys are running at 300,000 cycles a second.
Michio Kaku, Dr. Kaku, who I interview frequently, one of the great theoretical physicists we have today, says there are 10 and now he thinks possibly 12 dimensions.
No, I mean, I'm a great follower of Kaku, and what he says is that our four dimensions rotate up to 10, and then they rotate up to 26.
And so there's a possibility of there being 26 dimensions of hyperspace which form, I mean, it's like cake.
So like there's, I don't know, there's chocolate and there's cream and then there's sponge and there's pastry and then there's more chocolate and more cream and more sponge and more pastry until you get up to 26, you know?
So Kaku, I mean, I have read every word that Kaku has ever written.
You would almost have to be with your theories because when you start talking about dimensional beings, a lot of Americans roll their eyes and I'm sure Australians and the British do the same thing.
They kind of roll their eyes.
But the fact of the matter is, cutting-edge science is now saying it's more likely than not.
I've been going there now for several years, and the best theory that anybody's come up with, and you've spoken to all the great experts, and I haven't, but there are so many films of these lights moving in the fields.
They're not vortices of wheaten.
They're not people wandering around with planks and pieces of string and so on.
Although there are certainly fake crop circles, they are definitely some kind of energy force that is pushing upon the crop.
And if you walk in the crop circles, they're just bent over.
They're not broken.
And now they're talking in mathematical terms.
Not far from the Apri crop circle this year, which was the most astounding crop circle that had ever been, was another one that actually portrayed Necker's Cube.
And Necker's Cube, as I'm sure many of your listeners would know, is a cube that turns itself inside out.
So when you look at Necker's Cube, it's a regular cube, and if you pull the back corner of it, it flips inside out.
And so it's a way of like talking to people in these geometric fractal terms.
And I've got a feeling that the whole UFO thing comes from that same idea, you know?
But if you fly these various bits and bobs and you get everybody thinking, there'll be loads of people who say like, oh, wow, you're out, Bell, you're out of your mind, you know?
Or like, Stuart Wilder, totally out of your mind.
And then there's other people that are looking at these geometric patterns and saying, wait a minute, Kaku's, you know, 4, 10, 26 dimensions are in a crop field in Wiltshire.
So I think it's a bit like, you know how you could have something that's very dogmatic and very sort of bullheaded, and they'll change, but they'll only change ever so slightly, ever so slowly, you know?
This is a shortened segment, of course, because I had to get a lot in.
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It does not get any more classic than that.
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So, the world comes full circle, and I get to interview Stuart.
Running with the night is what we're doing.
Good morning, everybody.
We'll get right back to it.
That horrid little story about this new flu strain just breaking in the last few hours is on my website as well.
And you can read all about Stuart Wilde as well.
We've got listings for, I think, the majority of his 20 books up there.
So just scroll on down into the guest area and you'll be able to hop over to amazon.com and buy one or check one out or do whatever you want to do.
Once again, ladies and gentlemen, Stuart Wilde, Stuart, welcome back.
I've got to take it back for a second.
I just can't leave alone this gray thing.
Not everybody, Stuart, has seen a gray.
Now, was the gray that you saw, one or several, I don't know, were they, for example, like the photographs that we've seen from Whitley Streeber or pictures of what a gray looks like?
So the screaming obscenities at them doesn't work.
But that was just one of the occasions when they just appeared in my room.
And what I believe is that they have this transdimensional ability and that they watch certain people.
I don't know what the selection process is necessarily.
I don't know that necessarily if you are selected, that's any great wonderful thing, you know, because a lot of people have been very frightened and freaked out, you know.
As a matter of interest, before we move on, for a man who's spent most of his time in Great Britain or Australia, or split between them, how do you know so much about my show?
And if I borrowed somebody else's title, well, I'm sorry.
But there's lots of books out there that have similar titles or the same titles, and nobody intends to steal a title intentionally, because that's just be silly to do.
But Mike, let me give you just a brief sort of outline of my book, The Quickening.
And it may not be at all related to what you wrote, since we both don't know.
As a talk show host, early in my career doing politics and then later doing The Paranormal, which I've been doing now for about a decade or better, I began to discern, reading the news every single night, that things were beginning to speed up.
Political things, social things, environmental things.
Every aspect of human endeavor seemed to be quickening.
Events seemed to be quickening, heading toward some sort of event.
Not necessarily the end of the world, mind you, but some sort of event that we're headed toward something.
And that doesn't do justice to it, but it's the basis of the idea and the reason I picked that title.
And what I said in that was that the world has kind of split into two evolutions.
That it began with flower power in the 60s, and that was like, okay, albeit very simplistic, but it was like an evolution of consciousness, awareness, you know, wanting to be informed, you know, more independent type of thinking.
And another evolution has sort of turned inwards.
It's like an ingrown toenail.
And it's becoming, you know, more regressive, more fascist, more controlling.
And there are two different evolutions going on in the world today.
Well, one of the things that I'm almost convinced of, Arthur, is that over the years, you know, people like yourself, you know, you're teachers, and you're spiritual in a way because you make people stop and think.
As people have become more aware, they're moving again into this transdimensionality without actually realizing they're doing it.
You know, their life may not be heaps different, but they're moving across.
They're beginning to bridge between one dimension and the next.
My particular expertise is like the subtle body, the etheric body, I call it.
And, you know, we live in both bodies, the physical body and the subtle body.
Now, I can walk down the streets of San Francisco and I can watch a person's etheric body.
And many people can do that.
And it doesn't take a great gift from God or great psychic abilities.
It actually only takes the ability to develop your peripheral side vision.
In other words, to develop this vision would enable you to begin to see things, I don't know, that you might not want to see about your friends, about your associates, business partners, that kind of thing.
Well, you know, the things you're going to see, you're going to see.
And, hey, if your business partner is a dishonest person, you might as well know it now, you know, rather than three months' time when they disappear with $100,000 a month.
No, no, because I've done a lot of that work, and I don't mean to sound grandiose, but I've been there before.
However, when I did get into a lot of trouble was when I actually got spun around by them.
So I was at my home in London where I had an office, and it was just an apartment that I used to go to to write.
I was laying down on a bed at five o'clock at the end of a day's work, and I was meditating, and one of the grace came through the wall, and it spun me around, not physically, but literally my etheric.
I fell asleep, and I woke up, and when I woke up, my etheric legs were not where my physical legs are.
You know, Stuart, a lot of people have had NDEs have claimed not only to see dead relatives, but to see creatures like graves and like many other forms of creatures as though this plane that we're talking about has not just human spirits in it, but all kinds of spirits in it.
I know we're grappling in the dark here, but is it possible that what we think of as life after death and the place we go is the place where some of these beings also go?
And perhaps off to the top of the eye art, I could talk to the listeners about how to have a near-death experience without having to have a road accident and go to surgery.
Because there's a way of actually doing it naturally.
It takes time.
I mean, it took me many years.
But if you can entrench yourself and simulate death and stay awake, you can actually see the near-death tube.
Well, are you really talking now about simulation of an NDE or are you talking about an OBE or are they talking about an NDE now, a near-death experience?
We'll talk about how to induce an NDE after the break.
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So if you really love me, come on and let it show You know I love you, I'm always with you My mind's made up by the way that I feel There's no beginning, there'll be no end
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Art, I'm an audio engineer in southeast Wisconsin near Milwaukee.
I've never been a real believer nor non-believer in the presence of UFOs.
Last night, I was returning home at 12.30 a.m., pulled into my driveway, where I proceeded to get out of my van, noticed how bright the almost full moon was.
That's right, almost full moon.
Crystal clear, so bright you could see without any lights.
Well, as I walked to my front door, the moon went out.
For lack of a better term.
No clouds.
I was surprised, looked up, and saw a black triangular shape completely blocking out the moon as it moved in an east-northeast direction.
I could see the moon's glow highlight the object.
it took almost five minutes to disappear the blackness and stars above it's Everywhere you go, all right.
All right, somebody is asking here what time we're going to arrive in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
Business aviation there.
I don't know.
I suppose if we leave here at 9.30, say, or quarter to 10, then you would have to commute.
How long it would take to get to Sioux Falls, South Dakota, I don't have the slightest idea.
Somebody else wants call letters.
I am W6OBB.
I will be, obviously, aeronautical mobile.
So you can listen to any of us.
We'll all be aeronautical mobile.
And no, we're not going to let Bob push little buttons.
Bob wants to push buttons on the airplane.
Somebody said, put a mid on the guy, you know?
That's what we'll do.
Last words, what does that little red button do?
All right, it's back to Stuart Wilde now.
Stuart, NDEs, I've had people on here without giving the name, as I told you, actually saying that you can induce them with drugs.
Well, what you do is you use a theta metronome, which is a series of clicks that run at four cycles a second.
That's the theta brainwave rhythm that is natural to the human body, and we drop through these various brain rhythms during our natural sleep at night.
By listening to a metronome, you train your body to get down to a very, very low brain speed without falling asleep.
And what happens normally is when we get down to about there, we fall asleep at night.
But you can stay awake.
And say, for example, you can get a state of metronome anyplace, but like I have one on a series called The Art of Meditation, which won Product of the Year a couple of years ago.
And then I also have a Delta metronome, which is running even slower.
Yeah, I knew Robert, and I hung out with him a little bit before he died, and that's what he uses.
And then he has this hemisph thing where he balances both sides of the brain and so on.
But by listening to a metronome, you can get your brain speed down very, very low.
And I learned that.
I did an out-of-body thing with Robert Munro maybe 20 years ago, maybe, and went on from that.
And once you can do it, what happens is eventually you will see the near-death tube without being in trauma surgery because you will simulate death, but you're not actually dead.
And then what happened to me was that when I finally got past the singularity, which is this area of extreme gravity at the bottom of the tube, I started trying to look up it.
And one of the problems with that is that those other dimensions are facing us, so they're like mirrored.
They're opposite us.
And as I tried to push my feelings or the force of my will up the tube, nothing happened.
And I went through the most frustrating nine months of my life.
Then one day I've got the idea to try to suck what was at the other end of the tube towards me.
Well, I think we are exposed to the panorama of possibilities.
So she would have looked at those hellish worlds and kind of skipped past them quick and probably felt most comfortable with the angelic celestial being.
Well, then you played, after that story of her, you played the sound of this hellish dimension that the geologists in Siberia discovered when they put a microphone down a hole, right?
And what's interesting about the sound that you played, which was so demonic and so hellish, it is actually the sound, I believe, of ordinary people's thoughts.
Not everybody's thoughts, but you know, like if you took a cross-section of a city street, they are going through that kind of anguish and pain.
They believe their thoughts to be silent.
But if you could actually record their thoughts, it would be similar.
And that's the sort of the pain, the cruelty, the injustice, the nastiness of life compared to the love, the kindness, the spirituality, the openness of life.
But it's like, hey, I think it was, my goodness me, here am I just an ordinary Joe, you know, going out of Albuquerque and I'm there for half an hour with these people while they're dusting the computer, you know?
But anyway, that band of energy that I was talking about is this sort of nastiness, this fascist influence that is permeating the world.
But beyond that is the celestial influence.
But, you know, perhaps we have to go through a bit of darkness and go through this whole millennium changeover before we create a world of goodness and kindness and love.
I mean, you know, you were talking about the triangles, the flying triangles, and we have a phenomenon in Great Britain, which I'm sure, you know, Lindemann and those kind of guys that get on your show talk about.
But they fly down from a place in Scotland called Donnybrook, and they kind of come down the west coast.
And this enormous triangle came down the west coast maybe six months ago and was seen by hundreds of people, including, I think, half a dozen policemen in Cornwall.
The latest explanation here is returning rocket boosters from Russia.
Re-entering rocket boosters.
We're getting a lot of that.
But I mean, it's really becoming overwhelming.
And when you have commercial airline pilot crews two at a time reporting exactly the same thing, it seems to me it's going to get more and more difficult for the Air Force or whoever tries to explain these things to explain.
And of course, the papers and the media, generally speaking, you know, TV and so on, they do it a great disservice because they either report it as like, these guys must be slightly nuts, ha-ha-ti-hee, or they just flat out lie.
And there was a group of seminar participants, and I was taking them on a journey through Ireland.
And we were just, we had this bonfire out at night, and we were kind of just meditating, and we were in trance, and then we were talking, and we were hanging out.
And this UFO came over us, like very, very high up.
I mean, many, you know, maybe 100,000 feet up or whatever.
And it was doing all these sort of gyroscopic, acrobatic moves in the sky.
So much so that, like, we gave up watching it because you can't look up forever before you get a pain in the neck.
And it's like sort of so amazing that here's a group of people that are doing some stuff that's really conscious and it's really, let's say, out there because it's like meditative or it's very trancy.
And hey, they're watching.
They're watching.
And they're watching ordinary people and they're watching anybody that's doing anything strange and they're right there.
I mean, there's, well, as you know, hundreds of thousands of sightings now, you know?
Well, it probably means that whatever is going on, I worry a lot about Earth, and maybe they worry a lot about Earth.
In other words, maybe what occurs in our dimension may in some way affect theirs.
And they may be looking at us right now, and they may be saying, boy, these people are really screwing it up.
I mean, look at the ozone, look at the ice packs melting, look at the diseases among the fish and the crabs.
I could go on and on and on about the environmental troubles we're having right now, and maybe they're looking at us and saying, look at that lower dimensional infestation.
Well, in England, the Prime Minister was for it, the government was for it.
And then the alternative people got up against it because, you know, there were reports about the fact of how it affected the immune system of rats and so on.
And the guy that brought out that report was a professor, and he got fired from the university and so on.
Well, after about nine months of pushing, and people would go out to these fields, and they would just symbolically destroy a little bit of the field.
But I mean, all of a sudden, the British government turned right around and said, wow, we need more research.
And they changed from being totally pro-GM foods, hey, this is going to be the way to feed the world, to where now they're saying, hey, we aren't even going to do the tests anymore.
So the power is with the people, but everybody has to get a little bit active and push.
stay right there I'm going to go We're going to keep playing this right on up through the millennium to remind you of the last part of this last thousand years.
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What I say, though I never think of her, but what can I do?
I'm all with you, and it makes me dance, I'm with you, no, good job, I'm all.
Every time I see that girl, you know I wanna lay down and die, but I really need that girl, oh, I'm living a lot.
Hey, life, look at me, I can see the reaction, cause when you surely took me out of my work, I'm all.
Suddenly I just forgot, cause that's what I have to do.
When you find that you love the dream, you'll be high, cause when you gotta tell my love you don't take care of, then you better beware of what happens.
One day you look at me, you turn around, you find your world, and you turn up down, it happened to me, and it can happen to you.
I will show it as you, as the Lord took a detail, in the bright clouds of the world, it happened to you.
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Tonight's program originally aired October 27th, 1999.
By the way, I am not going to the Grand Hotel on Mackinac Island unarmed.
I will have with me a 35-millimeter camera.
I'll have a Sony camcorder.
And I'll have a digital camera.
And I'll have my computer.
And so, as a result, I should be able to send photographs back.
So while I'm there, if you check the internet, you check my website, you'll probably see some pretty cool photos of the island and the hotel and all kinds of things.
I don't know what's going to be there, but we'll take pictures and we'll send them back to you if possible.
And how is that possible?
The internet, of course.
And once again, here is Stuart Wilde.
Stuart, welcome back.
I think that many people, certainly in my audience at least, accept the fact that they are here from wherever they are here.
Now, we hear about abductions, some I believe, some I don't, kind of like crop circles.
But something is obviously going on.
And so the larger question then becomes, what do they want with us?
Well, I mean, I cannot state categorically that I know how Cro-Magnon Man appeared, but it would seem that if there was a little bit of a genetic interference and you got five or ten thousand, you know, men and women going 30,000 years ago, eventually Cro-Magnon Man was faster and brighter than the Neanderthals, and Neanderthals died out, and Cro-Magnon Man appeared, you know?
But it is an issue that's never been explained archaeologically as to how suddenly 30,000 years ago we all appeared here.
Well, you know, nobody could say for certain that there was or there wasn't, but certainly now that we have the technology to understand how that might have happened, it makes it a greater possibility.
Well, it bothers me a lot that we live in a time where, you know, 30-plus years ago we went to the moon and back, haven't been out since, and we haven't even figured out what the pyramids are all about, what these odd stone structures worldwide and pyramids worldwide are all about.
There was an apparent technology long ago that we haven't even figured out yet here on Earth.
I've been in the Great Pyramid, and I've been underneath it, below the Queen's Chamber, and I've been there on my own.
And what was amazing about being inside the King's Chamber was that all the electronic equipment that I took in there, which were basically, you know, brain machines to monitor brain waves and stuff, nothing would work inside the King's Chamber.
Well, I can't say that he's a dishonest man out because I've never met him, you know.
And then again, he and the Egyptian government may have an agenda of slow and gradual release of information because obviously they are custodians of enormous heritage of art and knowledge.
there's just simply no way for science to explain it which means that there was some sort of technology since we've told you that may not It may not have been machines at all that did this.
And if you reverse them in and out of each other, so the bottom pyramid floats up to the top pyramid and the top pyramid floats down to the bottom pyramid, you wind up with this sort of mirror reality that's moving back and forth.
Now one day I had a vision and I saw an acrobat jumping around a wall and I realized, wow, that's a square with two diagonals across it.
Then if you pick up the diagonals from the center of the square, it makes a pyramid.
Then if you stick another pyramid on top of the top pyramid, you have this octahedron.
Then I had a vision of the coordinates and the coordinates actually are like west 33, east 173, 80 north, and 60 south.
And if you just subtract them from each other, they're completely mirrored.
Then when you calculate the two pyramids moving inside each other, converting and inverting, they come to 2704.
The square root of 2704 is 52.
Because there's two pyramids, you have to divide them with two and you get back to 26 dimensions.
So it could be that the pyramid is actually a description of half of our reality.
Yeah, it may well be it explains a lot of things they knew that we don't.
And so I guess I've got to ask you, you went in with scientific instruments.
obviously you did a great deal study what did you No, what I concluded was that there was something in there that was not going to allow us to discover what was going on.
Well, the government does not the full government, our elected government, they're a bunch of blabber mouths.
They can't keep secrets.
And so we've got to imagine, I think, that if some offshoot basement operation part of the government knows about this, not all of the government knows about this because they couldn't possibly keep it secret.
Yes, I've met some of those people, actually, at a distance and close up.
There's a lot of disinformation going on right now and attempts to discredit people when they cannot do it directly in substance, then they do it with attacks on character.
And while some of it was humor and silly, some of it was not.
And there are societies out there that may hold information.
The kind of information we were talking about that we imagine might come from Giza one day, for example, that's been passed from generation to generation to generation.
Well, I have, for example, Richard Hoagland on from time to time.
He talks of this kind of thing, and many times people scoff when he does.
But the fact of the matter is these secret organizations and societies really do exist, and they really do hold secrets, and they really do pass them down, and there really is something to it.
And I'm not sure where to go to crack that egg and whether I should even try.
Well, if the knowledge is real, they're not going to tell you.
That stands to reason.
But then there's a lot of people that have the knowledge, but they just can't pass it on because they would get into too much trouble or it would become so prolific that it may be misused.
So like, for example, I'm in touch with certain people in Europe, and I don't mean to make this sound mysterious, but these are people that are experts in inner worlds and dimensions and so on.
And I can go visit with them and hang out, and we can go look at things or we can talk about things.
But it isn't something that they can write a book on or say, oh, and by the way, next week in France, we're going to all get together in a hotel and discuss it.
Because it draws too much attention, it puts them in danger, and it's awfully difficult to explain a lot of stuff, you know, and therefore it makes them look strange and kooky, so they just live in their own world.
yet thirty would be more through well he's considered to be the the And if remote viewing is real and they spent $20 million in 20 years on it, then I think they're still doing it.
Now, every one of them denies it, but if it's real, how could they not be doing it?
And so they're already in this trans-dimensional world.
Now, metaphysicians and people like myself, you know, I go there naturally for benign reasons.
And I'm trying to get people to see this infinity inside of themselves.
And I wrote a book once which became sort of a classic called Infinite Self.
And that Infinite Self book has transformed a lot of people because it showed them how to get in touch with the power themselves.
But our governments have that much money and that much clout at their disposal that they're already crossing into that transdimensional world, you know?
Yeah, it is in a way, because it really talks about how to activate the power inside of you, how to activate the etheric body, and how to draw from nature, from the force inside of you, to sort of enliven yourself.
So, you know, when people say to me, like, if I stop at an airport and they say, well, which books do it?
Because of the 20 books I've written, 15 are out.
I would say, I'll go buy Infinite Self.
And they can get that from Amazon.com or they can get it from Hayhouse.com, H-A-Y-House.com.
But the Infinite Self is the one that really transforms people because it doesn't go against their religious belief, but it awakens them to the power that's in their subtle body, that is in their perceptions.
And it begins to take them into this transdimensional world.
Okay, it's the first step.
But it's like the sort of the little ABC Bible of how to wake yourself up to the power that is really inside of you.
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It's an article entitled Neanderthals Survived Longer Than Thought.
A typical scientific retraction.
Neanderthals, it says, once portrayed as grunting primitive cavemen, lived as recently as 28,000 years ago, according to research on bowls found in a cave in Croatia.
They probably also, get this, interbred with modern humans, said the scientists.
Previous evidence suggested that Neanderthals died out some 34,000 years ago and were replaced by modern Homo sapiens.
But the international team did more testing on the andrethol bones found in the 1970s.
Now they were a lot younger than that.
Quote, the new radiocarbon dates suggest that Neanderthals would have, get this folks, coexisted with early modern humans in Central Europe for several millennia.
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That's from Fred Smith of the Anthropology Department at Northern Illinois University.
Now, you know, this simply suggests to me that we don't really know what the hell the story is.
And we look back these thousands of years and we're constantly correcting ourselves.
Well, it's a little bit off tonight's topic, but just to answer you very, very quickly, it's the story of the forces of light and dark.
And there's a myth, a fairy myth in Ireland that the forces of light, the shining ones, had a war, a battle with the forces of dark called the Formorians.
So the concept was not my concept.
It's part of Irish mythology.
But I just wrote the story in the songs of that particular album, Voice of the Celtic Myth, which actually won New H Album of the Year last year.
But it's the story of the forces of lightness and dark and the battles between what were known as the Shining Ones or the Fairy Gods and the Dark Forces called the Formorians.
And I can see that going on today.
There's a battle between spirit and ego, you know, between softness, love, and then control and hatred.
So that's what inspired me to do it.
unidentified
Well, it's an absolutely beautiful CD.
And the music is wonderful, and the lyrics are great.
Thanks.
And looking forward to seeing you in L.A. God bless you, man.
Somebody writes and asks you to explain your statement that it is military strength, political power, financial clout, both corporate and private.
Please ask Mr. Wild comment on these issues.
In reference to the IMF's current leading accounting methods and relief of the aging crisis, and some people think the engineered market to not crash exactly, sort of has been a pretty bad market lately.
Do you have comments on the world financial situation?
I sometimes talk about it at art in my books and articles and so on because it's part of the sort of overall metaphysical story of what's going on.
The Asian crisis was definitely an engineered crisis.
Okay, those Asian countries perhaps bought it on themselves because they were tickled along to spend too much money and to hock themselves and perhaps grow too quickly.
But, you know, there was and there is always a concerted, organized plug-pulling day when everybody agrees to pull the plug simultaneously and bang, down they come.
You know, there's the same kind of manipulation going on in the gold markets, and some of the gold experts that you've had on your shows and so on have talked about that.
You know, some of these markets, they look like they're free markets, but there's enormous organizations that run the markets.
Well, I talk a lot about the death of the ego, and that's the death of this arrogant vision that says that we can expand and consume and pollute and control the planet.
The planet has a mind.
It has a feeling.
You know, if you're familiar with the work of Lovelock, you know, it's Gaia.
It has a feeling.
It isn't going to allow us to carry on the way we're going.
So at some point, I've got a feeling that the world will have to retract from this sort of massive, hedonistic, forward-surging consumption and to come back to a more placid, you know, more organic, more natural way of living.
So a correction's coming.
unidentified
I'll agree with you on that.
If I may just ask one more quick question.
You know, I've read a lot of different things, and about this ancient technology, do you see us discovering that?
Or do you think maybe the Egyptian government will finally let us do something with discovering the pyramids and the pyramid technology Art spoke about the black box and all this kind of funny stuff?
You know, there's this transdimensional perception that is becoming more and more normal.
And writers like myself that talk about it and that explain techniques are bringing people along to that place.
I've got a feeling that the ancient knowledge isn't that far away from us.
But perhaps we need more experimentation, a longer time to appraise What we already know.
And then, of course, there are organizations that, you know, art's in touch with that specialize in this transdimensional power source knowledge and so forth.
And this secret knowledge is being uncovered.
It isn't that secret anymore.
unidentified
Do you think there's any way that we can maybe force the Egyptian government to, you know, I mean, is there, Just want to say, if it wasn't for your show, people like us wouldn't be able to come out and ask these questions.
I mean, it's their real estate, it's their treasure, it's their heritage, and it's their religion, or it was, and they will uncover it when and if, and let it out when and if, and so forth.
I'm just so fascinated listening to you and listening to everybody calling in.
My question is rather a personal one.
I've been meditating quite a lot in the last, God, ever since I was maybe five or six years old.
It's always come naturally to me.
And as I got older, I took some classes in trance work and in deeper meditation techniques.
And I had some extremely frightening experiences, mostly on my own, actually.
And it happened before I'd go to bed.
And it would be, I would be half awake and half asleep, but totally aware of my consciousness.
And I would get this intense, almost painful sound in my ears, almost like a jet propeller trying to take off from my head.
And I felt like it would be trying to take me somewhere.
And I feel just this sensation of trying to go higher and higher and higher, but the sound and the intensity got just so much I'd have to come out of the trance.
And then if you're out there and you see anything really, really gruesome, because, you know, there's the whole interdimensional world, the closest interdimensional domains are sometimes very demonic or very gruesome, but they're only as powerful as you are scared.
So if you're not scared of them, you know, like if you look something in the eye, like I've seen things that look like 20-foot-high monsters have green fangs and all that.
You're in America now, where the Art Bell program thrives, and this kind of information flows, and the X-Files is a big hit, and all of this is going on, and we're having all of these sightings.
And, you know, people are just sort of into all of this now because it's happening.
Well, I think you'd have a massive following, you know, because there's a starvation there because there are very few major, major talk shows over there.
And if they deal with this subject, they always deal with it in a very derogatory way.
So they sort of say, look, we're going to interview this guy about psychic phenomena.
He's really a nutcase, but hey, he's going to entertain you for half an hour, that kind of vibe.
Yeah, they don't really...
So they're not as open.
But I have a feeling that, you know, it's ready.
In fact, I went to the biggest talk station in England and suggested that I did a late-night sort of UFO type show.
And they actually said it'd be great idea, Sue.
You got the job.
And then they said, well, who would you interview?
And I said, well, I don't know.
I just interviewed some of the experts.
And they say, well, would you interview David Icke?
And I said, yeah, of course.
And the guy started screaming up and down.
He got really, really angry, the president of the radio show.
And he said, you would interview David Icke?
And I said, yeah, because he's controversial and he's interesting.
And some people agree with him, some people don't.
But that's the sort of people you want to interview.
I was just kind of interested in the call, I mean, in the show tonight, and it was interesting that you had the secret society line on the other night.
Yes.
And I would just, Stuart might not be too happy with this, but I'd like to expose a little secret that you're probably talking to somebody who belongs to one of the most secret societies ever.
I believe he stems from a sister society, or maybe from the society of the Theosophical Society, founded back in 1875 by a woman named Helen Blavatsky.
Well, it just sort of interrupts, Stuart, that most of your things that you talk about as far as your trans those transcendial states of mind and I'm just thinking that they use a few different types of words to kind of show their association with the type of New Age type of thinking and the New Age type.
Well, based on that, you could call kinds of my guests and say you belong to.
unidentified
Oh, sure.
It's what's called a syntegrated, polycentric, integrated network that's so intertwined with one another that nobody really knows who they are and how they're affiliated with the group.
But I find that one of the new words of things that Stuart says, if you read some of David Spangler's books or Alice Bailey's books or Heaven Blavatsky's books, he's coming directly from what they taught in their books.
And say, for example, like the fairy kingdoms, okay?
Now, most people think of little people with wings and the Victorian-style fairy kingdoms.
But the true fairy kingdoms are these sort of alive flashes of energy where the trees and the rocks and the whole of the earth has a personality.
Well, if you say, hey, I'm going to write a book about the fairy kingdoms, people look at you like you're so tippy-doolally.
So I've stayed a little bit away from that kind of thing, even though I have been in there and I could document it and talk to people about how to reach it and take a look at it.
Yeah, I've got books on the pyramids, the Manahoonies, etc.
So.
published or waiting to be well i've got them right here on my my computer but uh...
Yeah, right.
So what my question is on, is on the pyramids, primarily this one.
I would like a follow-up also on the spirits, if it's all right.
My father was a mason and gave me what he thought were secrets of masonry, and that was that the pyramids represent a lot of biblical correctness.
For instance, there's 144,000 stones in the pyramids, and that these 144,000 stones represent the 144,000 lives that we go through, and that each stone compares to our DNA, and that as each life is sealed, the Ram, the memories of that life, then become ROM and become a part of you.
Once you have completed your pyramid, then you ascend to the celestial kingdom.
He further stated that each corner of the pyramid represents one of the four archangels, Jesus, Michael, Satan, and a Lucifer.
And on each side of each corner, of course, you have the two sides of everyone.
You've got the Christ, the Antichrist, the Lucifer, the Anti-Lucifer.
With respect, well, first of all, to the pyramids, I understand that there are three of them around the world at 120-degree increments, and that they are directly placed over our grid lines.
Okay, well, with respect to the grid lines and the Earth slowing, I was told that as the circumferential pressure on the grid lines relaxes due to our slowing, that the Earth is backing off the grid lines and causing the earthquakes.
And you'll notice that the earthquakes are more severe at the equator than they are in the northern latitudes, which would say then, wow, is this whole Earth encompassed in a grid, as some people have stated?
Well, it definitely is encompassed in a grid, and there's a whole grid of electromagnetic energy that flows back across the Earth, and that's a documented fact.
So whether or not these three pyramids are on those grids or not, I can't say so.
But yes, there's definitely a grid that runs across our Earth.
Well, I don't think that the helicopters are doing the cattle mutilations, but I think there's pretty good evidence that the helicopters are investigating cattle mutilations and right on the scene almost too soon.
unidentified
Right.
Well, that wasn't my question.
But about three months ago, I had one of these, I don't know if it was an NDE or what, but I was asleep probably for a little while.
And then I just felt like I could see through my eyelids and something was tugging on my shoulders, like pulling me out of my body.
And I was so convinced there was somebody in the room with me that I just had to wake up.
I think everybody's converging towards the same place.
So do I. You know, we're all light seekers and we're all trying to discover.
And, you know, we make mistakes and we're misguided at times and we're wrong at times, but we're all trying to head towards the light and head towards an explanation.
Because something somewhere is trying to show you that you have a transdimensional personality, you know, a being.
You're more than you think you are.
And that's really the nature of all of my writings, is to tell people, hey, okay, it's a bit spooky and scary, maybe.
But then sometimes sitting still in the same spot, you know, watching the ballgame gets spooky and scary as well, because, hey, there's a light out there that's trying to get us to learn more about ourselves.
But going out that way sometimes is heck scary, but somebody has to go, so it might as well be you.
It's an event that happened to me three times in the past.
It happens when I'm partly asleep, partly awake, somewhere in between, drifting kind of in semi-consciousness.
And the best way to describe it is, let's say like if you had a baseball bat and you swung it through your body and it passed through your body, it would actually impact your etheric or your soul and give you one heck of a jolt.
Almost like your soul has sneezed or coughed.
To the point it was very violent, scary, and at the same time, a very loud noise.
And it literally shook the roots of my foundation.
And I've never been able to find anybody who could explain what was happening.
About two years ago, the Institute of Noetic Sciences reported that there were some serious scientists somewhere in the United Kingdom that supposedly were communicating with deceased people using altered television sets and radios.
And I understand that they didn't want to reveal who these people were because they said they were fairly esteemed scientists and that one of their own members had passed away and then was on the other side communicating with them.
That's Stuart Weil, folks, author of a book also called The Quickening.
Well, as you know, we're going to gather with my house sitters in the morning, and then we are going to get on an airplane and go to Mackinac Island and the Grand Hotel.