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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Laurie Jacobson - Spirits, Trapped Souls, and the Afterlife

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from October 19th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest.
		The great, shaky American Southwest.
		I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		It's great to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to be talking about ghosts here in a little while with Laurie Jacobson as we get closer to that day.
unidentified		Oh hollows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How we keep sneaking up on us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, toward that end, folks, I've made a decision.
unidentified		Next Monday night, I'm going to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to be doing live radio next Monday night.
		Because toward the end of the week, I'll be taking off for the Grand Hotel in Mackinac on Mackinac Island, Michigan.
		So I'm going to work an extra day on Monday, and we're going to do a ghost-to-ghost show Monday next.
		You're going to want to be here for that.
		They're classic.
		They're always classic.
		And they're always scary.
		And they're very real.
		And the reason they're very real, and the reason they reach out and touch you and grab you and twist you is because there are ghosts out there.
		That's what we're going to be talking about tonight.
		Anyway, I wanted to let you know, Ghost to Ghost next Monday night.
		Nothing but ghost stories and from all of you at that.
		In fact, in the next couple of days, I'm going to be devoting a large amount of time to Open Lines, just because I kind of feel like it.
		And then next week, we're going to have kind of an interesting lineup.
		As I said, Ghost to Ghost on Monday night.
		And that'll be followed on Tuesday by Uri Geller.
		We've never had Uri Geller on the show before.
		Looking forward to that.
		And then Wednesday night, Thursday next week, we're going to have Stuart Wilde on.
		And we've been setting this one up for a long time.
		Stuart Wilde authored a book by the same name, the book I authored, called The Quickening.
		And his was, of course, prior to mine.
		But I think you'll be very interested in Stuart Wilde.
		So all of that is going on and a lot more.
		This week, there's no telling what's going to happen.
		I may book a guest in the next couple of days.
		I may not book any guests at all.
		It just kind of depends on how the mood strikes right now.
		I haven't booked any guests yet.
		Sometimes you feel like a guest, sometimes you don't.
		Tonight I do.
		Tonight I feel like Laurie Jacobson.
		And we're going to be talking about the ghosts of Hollywood.
		Otherwise, as you probably heard last hour, if you heard last hour, we had a hell of an earthquake here.
		I mean, we just really rocked here.
		It was a frightening earthquake, a big earthquake.
		And if you look at where I'm located on the map in Peruvian, Nevada, you will see why it was as strongly felt here as it was.
		My wife and I, Ramona and myself, were both awake at 2.46 in the morning.
		And the earthquake began, which as you know was centered in the desert not far from me.
		Actually, the story about which fault line and which quake and whether it was an aftershock, which I thought was silly or whatever, it's all changing.
		We're going to get the latest from Jim Birkeland here in a moment.
		But the earthquake began, and I thought two things during the earthquake.
		One, I wondered if we were going to survive it.
		It was so bad here where I am, and it's a small community, relatively, Perump, Nevada.
		You'll find it on the map, about 65 miles west of Las Vegas.
		And things were going back and forth so severely.
		It was like ocean waves, absolutely like ocean waves, rippling.
		And if I'd been outside, you could have seen the ground moving in waves.
		It was horrible.
		It went on for about, I estimated, 40 seconds.
		I came on the air at 3.10, 3.10 a.m. and interrupted my own replay and gave the report, which turned out to be accurate.
		I said I believe it was a 7 or a 7.1 and I gave the location, or the rough location.
		But again, going back to the moment or the seconds or the almost one minute of the earthquake, I thought two things.
		One, first, am I going to survive this?
		It appears to be getting worse and it's not stopping.
		My wife and I just went into the other room in the bathroom trying to get away.
		I've got a 100-foot tower up here.
		You know, you don't want 3,000 pounds of steel coming down on your head.
		And so I thought, are we going to survive it?
		And we just hugged.
		Went into the other room and just hugged and rode it out.
		And then I had a second thought during the earthquake.
		And it was, if this earthquake is coming from a great distance, like Los Angeles, for example, then a lot of people are dying right now.
		And Los Angeles is virtually disintegrating now.
	Those were my two thoughts.
	One, first, would we survive it ourselves, not knowing where it was?
	And secondly, could it be the big one?
	and if it is the big one and if it is in Los Angeles it's the end of a lot of people and it scared the New hurricane.
	Hurricane Jose is headed, unfortunately, for the French Island of Martinique in the Caribbean.
	It'll pass there overnight.
	Stockpiling water and food is going on right now.
	They're on alert in Puerto Rico, where it could strike by Thursday.
	Forecasters are saying they don't know yet whether this hurricane might threaten the U.S. East Coast.
	The way things have been going recently, I certainly would think there's a strong possibility that it would impact the East Coast.
	So I guess you don't have to get ready officially yet, but I'd be thinking real hard about it if I were you.
	And congratulations, Atlanta.
	My God, what a game that was tonight.
	I don't know whether you saw it or not, but Atlanta, of course, is going to the World Series.
	And it was done on a bases-loaded walk in extra innings.
	And the score was 10-9.
	And it really was quite a game.
	So congratulations, Atlanta.
	The World Series between Atlanta and New York really ought to be something to behold.
	And so I guess we all get to behold it next week.
	All right, coming up in a moment, Lori Jacobson.
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		Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
		Do you believe it's there?
		Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like giant players of chess.
		But it isn't.
		We don't have the government anymore.
		What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
		But we have no representation in that government.
		So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
		So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
		And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
		We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What we're going to be talking about tonight are ghosts, most specifically Hollywood ghosts.
		Ghosts, I guess, that you would know would be a good way to put it.
		Aside from those in the immediate family or a stranger, we're going to be talking about ghosts in Hollywood because that's the research that Lori Jacobson has done.
		Actually, she's done a lot more than that, but she's concentrated basically, I think, on what has occurred in Hollywood.
		And it's funny, you might expect somehow that if hauntings are real and ghosts are real, and I believe them to be, that Hollywood would be filled with them.
unidentified		Is that a fair conclusion to make, Lori?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that's fair.
		Stick around for very human reasons.
		And so many of the people who lived in Hollywood sought fame, never-ending, eternal, and they have it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But isn't there a possibility that really what they have is eternal hell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we'll get deeply into this, I'm sure, but to have your spirit trapped in some horrid little repetitive thing here on earth, as we know some ghosts seem to be, would seem more like hell than anything else to me.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I suppose to us.
		But, you know, for some of them, for example, there are security guards, ghostly security guards at the studios that continue to walk their beats.
		They protected that studio for 40 years.
		They loved it.
		Maybe they met their wife there.
		Maybe they brought their kids to work in there.
		Back in the old days, it was a family place, and you worked there your whole life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, how it's changed, huh?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, boy, it sure has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're right.
		It was that way.
		And yet I guess I would ask, then why would somebody be back walking the work beat and not with his wife and family in the afterlife?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of reasons.
		First, they might not know they're dead.
		Some people don't believe that there is anything after we die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This should give them a small hint if they maintain the same kind of consciousness after death that we imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if we still realize self after death, if we survive that with our consciousness in some sort of tact, then they have to eventually know they're dead.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it can often be very puzzling, very confusing.
		There are spirits around them trying to help them cross over to make the transition, but they don't see them because they don't believe in ghosts.
		It's a catch-22.
		So sometimes they're reached, sometimes they're helped, and sometimes, yes, it is an eternal hell.
unidentified		You believe in heaven and hell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the Bible, heaven and hell.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		The classic concept?
unidentified		Yeah.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Clouds and harps and wings?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about clouds and harps.
		But I always liked the wing idea.
		I wasn't opposed to that.
		But clouds and harps, that's boring.
		Flying, that'd be all right.
		But clouds and harps, no.
		But you know, the general, yeah, the biblical heaven and hell, fire and brimstone down there, good place up there.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Hmm.
		I don't know.
		I, you know, I think that we get sent back down to earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reincarnation.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		If we didn't get it right or we have some things to work out, we get sent back down.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's kind of hell.
unidentified		Once this really feels like enough for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have sympathy with that particular view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying I'm not enjoying life because there are many things in life I enjoy, but baby, it's a rough ride.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a rough ride.
		And it's no picnic down here.
		And I guess since Adam got tossed out, if you believe in all that sort of stuff, it's not meant to be.
		Well, it's not.
		It's a rough ride down here.
		But you don't necessarily, though, still, you don't.
		What do you think happens to us when we finally, in effect, graduate?
		If you think we come back again and again and again, something I sort of lean toward myself.
		Eventually, we don't come back.
		And then what?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I think that we get sort of high-level jobs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		High-level jobs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get bumped upstairs.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And we help other people, other spirits, in those positions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ever heard of the Peter Principle?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you really?
		People are promoted beyond their ability to perform.
		Inevitably, promoted beyond their ability to perform.
		I suppose that doesn't apply there.
		So high-level jobs.
		In other words, you become, in effect, a spirit guide, or I guess we think of them as spirit guides, right?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Yes, a spirit guide or a crossover spirit, a spirit who is there to help you make the transition.
		An example of this might be, do you recall Jay Sebring?
		Yes.
		He was killed at Sharon Tate's house by the Manson family.
		And he was an internationally acclaimed men's hairdresser.
		Before Jay Sebring, there were just barbers.
		He invented this incredible concept and was spectacularly successful in Hollywood and would have been worldwide had he lived.
		His ex-wife was very close to him and three times after his death he came to her in dreams.
		The first time, desperately sad.
		The second time he was worried about her being able to support herself and he taught her his technique to cut hair.
		She simply could wake up the next morning and do it.
		And the third time, he was with Sharon Tate, and they were very happy, and she felt at ease seeing them now so peaceful and happy.
		And Jay was dressed all in white, and he was in a room that was all white, and what looked like rows and rows of computers and machines.
		And this was 20 years ago, this dream.
		So it was before we had a computer in every household.
		But it was a very modern-looking room, and he seemed to be in control of all the people in the room, teaching them whatever they were doing.
		And she thought, that's so Jay.
		He was so ahead of his time.
		And she felt that he'd gotten one of those higher-level gigs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Higher level gigs.
		That sounds like somebody from Hollywood, all right.
		The higher level gigs.
		Yeah, but then, so then there is a place, or there is, I don't know what you call it, a place, there is a place, for lack of a better word, where ultimately you do reside after you have, in effect graduated uh...
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		from earth i mean she really felt he'd been no he was He was creative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was If it isn't heaven, what is that place?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's his heaven.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		That was a very specific heaven for that man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, were the students that he was teaching real?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The machines that were around, were all of those real, or were they part of the creation that was his reward?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		That's a great question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's your best guess?
		In other words, I guess the bottom line is, is that a real thing that happens to you after you die and graduate and don't come back anymore?
		Or I guess reality is a kind of a strange concept anyway.
		It certainly would be real to him, so it wouldn't really matter one way or the other, would it?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		No.
		And I would only be guessing now to say, was that real, wasn't that real?
		guess we'll all find out but it's nice to know that you know there that there are emotions beyond
art bell ▲ ● ▼		this life I saw a recent mysteries and scandals on the channel about the tape murders tape lobby on the murders and Sharon Tate was begging not to be killed and was killed in the most gruesome way you can imagine when she was pregnant and of course as we all know and I would have imagined if anybody would have been chained to the earth or unable to properly proceed at a
		time when you're looking forward to birth and renewal and you're pregnant and you're so happy to be pregnant and you're murdered in such a horrible way what can that that must have a traumatic horrible effect on your spirit on your soul yes and I would imagine that she'll she probably lingered earthbound for some
		some time confused and upset and wondering exactly which direction to go but you know there was a I'm sure there was a a spirit of her child too so she was that's a whole separate topic a spirit of her child you're right hold on we'll be right back we're gonna break here at the bottom of the hour Lornie Jacobson author of Hollywood Haunted is my guest What do you think?
		Is that a real place folks?
		A very real place when you graduate first time or last time that you go to or your dream?
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
		What does I make foolish people do?
		I never dreamed that I'd need somebody like you.
		I never dreamed that I'd knew somebody like you.
		No, I don't wanna fall in love with you.
		No, I...
		In the end, I'll hear in the treatment of the ocean look at that bird.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Ghost to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know who you're listening to right now?
unidentified		Her name is Lorena McKinnett.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lorena McKinnett.
		She is a Canadian singer and probably the best, along with Gordon Lightfoot.
		I interviewed Gordon here not long ago.
		But Lorena McKinnett is very special to me, and her music is very special to me.
		And I was actually talking to Gordon Lightfoot a couple of weeks ago, and I mentioned Lorena McKinnon, and he said, well, you know, she kind of dropped out.
		She was there, and then she was gone.
		And I reflected on that a little bit, and I said, you know, you're right.
		We haven't heard much from Lorena McKennett lately.
		And I got a facts from her office today, which is kind of interesting and tragic, and I had no idea.
		Canadian singer Lorena McKennett, whose songs have helped popularize Celtic music, is donating the proceeds of her new album to a fund to promote water safety following the drowning of her fiancée last year.
		McKennett's double CD, Live in Paris and Toronto, was originally available only by mail from her Aquinland Road company, but now it's going to be released commercially next month.
		So we've all got some more Lorena McKennett to look forward to.
		And again, it's a double CD called Live in Paris and Toronto, which is, I guess, what she does.
		Not a bad life all in all.
		And that's the news on Lorena McKennett.
		And I had no idea.
		She lost her fiancé in a drowning accident.
		And that is the thing of which ghosts are made.
		And her music, when you listen to it, has that kind of flair to it.
		I don't know exactly.
		Sort of urethral, sort of at times haunting, at times Egyptian, Celtic.
		That's Lorena McKennett.
		And that's why we haven't heard from Lorena McKennett for a while.
		One other sad announcement for you.
		Radio broadcasting legend Gene Shepard, a ham operator, K2ORS, died October 16th.
		He was 78.
		News reports say he died in a hospital near his home in Florida.
		One of the original radio talkers, Shepard gained a loyal following of overnight listeners during his more than two-decade tenure at the powerful WOR in New York, my competition in New York City in the 1950s and 60s and early 70s.
		Gene Shepard dead at 78.
		I'm so sorry to hear that.
		As a matter of fact, speaking of New York, as I always do, I try to follow, I try as best I can to follow the ratings now that we're on so many radio stations across the country.
		But the ratings for New York just came out today, and once again, this program, number one in New York City, number one in New York City.
		This is the big apple.
		As a matter of fact, the numbers actually went up.
		So that was really good news.
		But reflecting on a, not really a competitor, a competitor station and somebody who was there for a very long time doing essentially the kind of thing that I do, if not the specific topic material, certainly the same time of night.
		Dead at 78.
		I'll be lucky to make it to that far myself.
		All right, we're going to get back to Laurie Jacobson in just a moment.
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		Coast to Coast A.M. It's way out there.
		These groups of extraterrestrials that are unfriendly, many of which are hiding down there at the bottom of the ocean, why don't they want us to know about this?
		We've lost people in wars with UFOs.
		You know, we spend a lot of time honoring our heroes, and we have heroes that we don't know about.
		It's disturbing to that extent because we haven't debt the people who've defended us and we'll never know who they are.
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		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
		Music Hi, Lori.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, Lori, that the people who don't believe in reincarnation, the people who don't believe in God, the devil, afterlife, or anything else, they just believe it's the big black veil descending, nothing, that they get what they believe in?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, there are rules, so to speak.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, they believe that there is nothing, but there is something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what a terrible surprise it must be for them then.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, for some of them it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or a good, I don't know, a good surprise, bad surprise, hard to tell.
		Some of them are probably saying, sheesh, I knew I was dying.
		I actually had come to terms with it.
		What the hell is this?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Why can I still hear and see and not be seen?
		It can be a very frustrating thing.
		It happens to a lot of children who don't understand about death, who haven't even reached, you know, an age where their parents explained.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, what about the children that hadn't, and we were beginning to touch on them, hadn't even experienced life yet, the ones who haven't even talked yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can possibly occur to them?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I heard a story.
		A woman had a near-death experience.
		I think she died on the operating table and she was brought back to life.
		But while she was, quote, dead, end quote, she saw her mother, she saw her grandmother, she saw all these people who had passed on.
		And there was this adolescent who looked at her and said, what are you doing here?
		And instinctively, she knew it was a child she hadn't had yet and sent her rushing back to that table.
		So that was kind of, you know, that was kind of an odd story.
		And we were talking about Sharon Tate and the fact that she was murdered when she was eight and a half months pregnant.
		I mean, that child, for all intents and purposes, was living at eight and a half months.
		It could have, he could have been born.
		I mean, he was fully formed, and so I believe his spirit also was fully formed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are great arguments that rage about that, of course, but I would tend to agree with you.
		I don't know when a spirit is inculcated into a child in the womb, but I think sometime prior to that.
		So, yeah, I mean, that's a spirit that never experiences the world beyond the womb.
unidentified		And what can we know about its fate?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		You know, they say you choose.
		They say you choose your parents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You choose.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		So.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, imagine what the prior life of that child must have been like to be choosing Sharon Tate.
		Anyway, Hollywood, for some reason, appears to be just filled with ghosts, and some obviously ones that we all know of, like Lucille Ball, for example.
		And I watched Lucy, I love Lucy, for years and years and years.
		And you're telling me that her spirit was seen?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Her spirit was seen.
		Now, I don't think she's hopelessly haunting the earth in search of more laughs or anything like that.
		As I said, spirits stick around for very human reasons.
		Several years after she died, her husband, Gary Morton, sold the house that Lucy had lived in.
		He and Lucy had lived in for 35 years.
		And the new owners tore it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tore it down.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Tore it down to build a more grand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what we do here in Las Vegas.
		We tear everything down.
		If it gets a year or two old, it gets torn down.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And I must say, the whole neighborhood gathered around to watch it.
		I mean, it was a landmark.
		Everyone knew where Lucy lived.
		You could always see Lucy pulling out of her house or the kids.
		And so it was a sad thing.
		And one of Lucy's friends was driving by.
		He saw this house half torn down.
		You could see inside to some of the rooms where this man had been visiting Lucy.
		You could see the wallpaper.
		And he was so startled.
		He pulled over to the side of the road and he looked at the house.
		And peripherally, he saw a tall, thin woman walking along the perimeter of the property, also looking at the devastation.
		And he noticed that she was a redhead.
		And when she turned around, it was Lucy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was Lucy.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And he said she looked very melancholy, sad, confused, what's happening to my home.
		Lucy loved to be in control.
		And clearly she was not in control.
		It was a sad moment.
		Spirits do not like remodeling.
		So this was devastating.
		A home that she had loved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, spirits don't want to see things changed from when they left.
unidentified		Yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And they often do not recognize remodeling.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		So when you see spirits walking through a wall, well, either that wall wasn't there or it was the original door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah.
		Oh, that's very interesting.
		In other words, a spirit in the place of residence at death would probably not walk through walls.
		It would probably walk as it had walked in life.
unidentified		Yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I talked to many people who saw ghosts from the knees up or ghosts with no feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're right.
		As a matter of fact, I've got some pictures on my website.
		One that really freaked me out of a lady from about the knees down, nothing.
		She was in midair.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, we figured out that most of these spirits are walking on the original floors.
		But it sounds like this particular ghost was high up, higher up than the floor.
		But if you see a ghost walking...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just that they were missing.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand it.
		It's very difficult sometimes to materialize 100%, which is often why spirits come to you in dreams.
		It's easier on the bottom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But occasionally they do materialize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Occasionally, they seem to be even caught on camera.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I've got some pictures up on your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you have up there?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I have, well, and I'd love for some of your listeners to take a look at it and tell me what they think it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they will, believe me.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		A friend lives in a house in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles.
		There are some very negative people living in the house with her, and she feels a tremendous negative energy in and around the house.
		She was snapping an instomatic-type camera just at rooms at will.
		And when she developed the film, these bizarre sort of honeycomb-like white spirals appeared in the room.
		One of them was pushing down on her cat.
		One was traveling through the room.
		And the one thing in the house that had any religious connotation was a calendar that had a picture of Mary and the baby Jesus on it.
		And this bizarre figure clamped on to that calendar, it had eyes, a little head.
		It was very weird.
		We looked it up in a book.
		We found a drawing exactly like this white translucent image attached to the calendar, and it said it was a 13th century bohemian demon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, Lori, are you on a portable phone?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it sounds just fine, but say good and close to your base for us.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because it's going whoosh, whoosh, loosen.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They tend to do that.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I pace when I talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		I'm looking now at some of these images, and they appear to be sort of how do you describe, folks?
		You're going to have to go look for yourself.
		But I'm looking at the cat, for example, right now.
		And there is something obviously pushing.
		I guess it looks like it's pushing down on that cat.
		Actually, pushing down on the cat.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can see the cat cowering underneath it.
unidentified		Yeah.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		These things were not visible to the naked eye.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		She thought she was just taking a picture of her cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a picture of me, Lori, just like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've seen it on my website?
unidentified		I have not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you haven't?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did a program with a woman named Harlotte.
		A Satan worshipper, Lori.
		Her name was Harlotte.
		This was one scary, scary lady.
		She, toward the end of the program, said, I've ensured that my child, my son, is going to hell with me.
		She took steps to ensure her son would go to hell with her.
		I mean, this was one scary lady.
		And we were doing a reflective program on this a short while later.
		And at the exact moment that I began talking about it, like I'm talking about it right now, I've got a webcam that for years now has been sitting here snapping photographs of me every minute.
		It will snap one photograph and it goes up to the website.
		All of a sudden, there's a shot on the website that you flat wouldn't believe.
		Do you have a computer available to you tonight?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do, huh?
		So you go to an extra line, you get online.
		Keith, if you're out there listening, would you take that shot of me, please, and put it on the front page so Lori can find it?
		I've got this shot that I want you to see, Lori.
		You're just not going to believe it.
		I've had literally, I guess by now, hundreds of thousands of photographs taken by these webcams, and I've never had one like this.
		And it was during the exact instant that I was discussing this lady, this girl named Harlotte, who was going to take her child to hell with her.
		She was a scary lady, you know, hail Satan, the whole thing.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And what, do I have to wait to see the picture?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to tell me what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, before we get back on the air, you know, we're coming up to a break right now.
		And before we get back on the air, I will call and encourage Keith to get it up.
		He's probably already working on it.
		And I want your opinion on it.
		So you go during the break, get on my website, and stay there.
		And when we get back, I will direct you to it because I want you to look at it, all right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Stay right there.
		We're going to pause here at the top of the hour.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. I'm Art Bell.
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		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
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		Dream lover, where are you with a love for so true?
		And the hand that I can hold feeling here as I go old.
		Cause I want girls to call my own.
		And I wanna dream of her, so I don't have to dream alone.
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		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about ghosts.
		Lori Jacobson is here.
		And my photograph, my ghost photograph, is on the web right now.
		We'll tell you all about it.
		What about endless lonely days and nights without your woman?
		That might cause your spirit to twist a time or two, huh?
		Good morning.
		It's great to be here.
		We've got a lot to do.
		Laurie Jacobson is here, and as promised, Keith, of course, is very quick on the switch.
		And in addition to the ghost photographs that Laurie Jacobson has provided, which you can see on my website now, just go to www.artell.com and scroll down to the name Laurie Jacobson, and you will see, among others, the photograph of this spirit or whatever it is depressing on a cat.
		But you will also see a photograph, actually a couple of them, of me taken, let's see.
		It was 126.21 in the morning, 012621, which is an interesting time by itself.
		It reads the same, going both ways.
		012621.
		126.21.
		And if you read it backwards, it's 126.21.
		It was taken on the 12th of December of 97.
		And Lori asked, she did see it during the break, and she asked me an obvious question, were you smoking?
		Well, actually, I smoke a lot, and I was not at that moment smoking, but it doesn't matter.
		You've got to remember that I've been taking these photographs, one every minute, or 45 seconds more likely, for years now.
		Years.
		So that probably goes to hundreds of thousands of photographs.
		And there has never been another one like this taken of me while I'm sitting here smoking.
		So that one doesn't work.
		Nothing even close.
		Nothing even vaguely close.
		Nothing.
		And so take a good look at it.
		It's one of the links under Lori's name.
		And you'll get, and people said, well, you've got white hair.
		And so we had to actually put another photograph up to prove to people that I don't have white hair.
		I mean, clearly, toward the front part of my head, the frontal lobe area, you will see something gathered about me.
		There's no question about it.
		So take a look at that.
		See what you think.
		At that very instant, I was talking with a guest about a harlot, the Satan worshiper, and about her son, who she was going to take to hell with her, she said, and she had insured it, she said.
		And at that very instant, his photograph was snapped and got saved.
		And it has never ever been explained, nor is it now explained.
		So you will see that under the links with the pictures that Laurie Jacobson has provided for tonight's show.
		Laurie Jacobson, by the way, is a friend and worked with Dr. Barry Taff.
		And I know that you all remember, or you should, Dr. Barry Taff, who worked on some very special stuff that Laurie will tell you about.
		Anyway, we will continue with all of this in a moment, but for those of you that had never seen that 1997 picture, it definitely, definitely is one to puzzle about.
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		It's way out there.
		These groups of extraterrestrials that are unfriendly, many of which are hiding down there at the bottom of the ocean, why don't they want us to know about this?
		We've lost people in wars with UFOs.
		You know, we spend a lot of time honoring our heroes, and we have heroes that we don't know about.
		It's disturbing to that extent because we have a debt to people who've defended us, and we'll never know who they are.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, at that exact moment, 12621, I was actually listening to a replay of the audio of Harlotte talking about her son going to hell.
		And it was, without question, I think, the darkest show that I've ever done.
		Really the darkest and the most, in a lot of ways, difficult to do because she was unrelenting, absolutely unrelenting, a Satanist, a real Satanist.
		And it scared me.
		It really, it scared the you-know-what out of me.
		So, Lori, welcome back.
		You just got a brief glimpse of it during the newscast.
		And as I was telling you, I've been smoking for all the years I've been on the radio and for several years now taking webcam shots.
		And never, ever, ever, ever has one come out like this before or since.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I ask that for your listeners who haven't gone to their computers.
		It truly looked like there was a big puff of smoke above your head.
		I mean, it's thick and undeniable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And as you are telling us, you were deeply disturbed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Deeply disturbed, yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		By this conversation.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		If you go so far as to say it was your darkest show ever, I have to know that you were very deeply disturbed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, we all have spirits watching over us, and you really needed one then more strongly than ever, I think.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And somebody was there for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder.
		So was that an outside force?
		Or was that from within?
		Or All I know is it's real.
		You know, I don't fake things.
		And I just don't.
		That's a real photograph for whatever it is.
		I don't know what it is.
		It's either external or internal.
		It came from within me or it was from without.
		I take it from what you just said.
		You feel it came from without.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I feel it was a protective spirit that's probably always with you.
		And you're just not aware of it.
		But if ever you had a time of need, that was it.
		Your darkest show ever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's true.
unidentified		I mean, you know, she said what she said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We did the whole night, and we talked about Satanism and all the rest of it.
		And we were toward the end of the interview, and she was talking about taking her son to hell with her.
		And it stopped me in my tracks.
		It stopped me cold.
		She said, I have taken steps to see to it that he will be in hell with me.
		And it just stopped me in my tracks.
		I didn't know what to say.
		I didn't know what to do.
		It was one of those moments in, you know, in talk radio when you just get stopped.
		And I got stopped.
		And that was that moment.
		So, you know, whatever that is, it's real and it's something.
		I personally don't know if it's some guiding spirit or protective spirit for me or if my brain was just freaking out and producing something the camera caught.
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		But after looking at your photographs, I thought I would offer this one up for you and everybody else to look at back in 97.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		It was great.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And thank you, Keith, for working in Keith is really, really good at this kind of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So why is it, Lori, that some manifestations like this one that you're seeing, or the ones you brought forth and offered, can be caught by camera, a camera, sometimes not seen by the human eye, but caught by a camera.
		You know, as I reflect on it, I have no mirror here.
		I have no way of knowing whether had I been able to actually see my head, I would have seen that or not, whether it would have been visible to me or not, but yet the camera caught it.
unidentified		How come?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Great question.
		You know, if we knew the answers, then we could capture these images on film all the time.
		One of the psychics I worked with said it was like tuning in a radio.
		And sometimes you can get the station clearly, and sometimes you can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what night vision equipment is, Laurie?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do, okay.
		I have an extremely well-to-do friend named Bob Bigelow, Robert Bigelow in Las Vegas.
		And he purchased a ranch at a place we don't disclose here on the air where all kinds of really weird things have been going on and had been going on for years.
		And because Bob has the means and the ability, he just literally went and purchased the ranch and set up cameras and all kinds of sophisticated recording equipment and all the rest of it to try and figure out what was going on on the ranch.
		During one incident, somebody looking through a night vision, a third generation night vision piece of equipment actually saw a kind of a, in mid-air, saw a hole or a kind of a,
		let's see, how to describe it, a hole for him, I guess, literally in mid-air and saw something come through it and saw the hole close back up again.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, wow.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And what happened to the thing that came through?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		It lost sight of it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lost sight of it, it just disappeared.
		But something opened, it came through the center of it, and it just, then the whole thing vaporized.
		But they saw that.
		And a number of other things happened that were recorded on cameras that were completely impossible.
		Absolutely impossible.
		I mean, they had cameras on large poles hundreds of feet away from each other, one focused toward the other.
		And the wires were cut halfway up the pole.
		All the tape was taken off.
		And they went back on the timestamps, one camera looking at the other, and there was absolutely nothing to be seen.
		The damage was done while the camera was running, and it didn't show up at all on the camera.
		But this tremendous damage was done.
		All the tape was ripped off, the wires were cut, blah, blah, blah.
		All the rest of it.
		Second camera was looking right at this and didn't see it happen.
		Wow.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		So I'm wondering if these kinds of manifestations are in the same arena with ghosts.
		Are we dealing with dimensions of people?
		In other words, when you die, do you go to, in essence, what we think of as another dimension?
		And then occasionally, is there an interaction between this world and that world?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Another dimension.
		I don't know.
		I have heard only a little bit about openings.
		The Roosevelt Hotel in Hollywood, one room that was the original library in the hotel seems to be the entryway for the spirits that pass through.
		It's where they come through and go then throughout the rest of the hotel.
		And I have heard of people using Ouija boards and trying to make contact with something and literally opening a hole, like by making the contact day after day.
		And I have been told you shouldn't do that because you don't know what will come through that hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe that to be true?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I had some scary experiences with the Ouija board and I won't use one again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same here.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I know, do you remember the singer Phoebe Snow?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		She also had some very bizarre experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		She and her husband and another couple got into using the Ouija board, loved it.
		They were really having fun, and they used it quite a bit during the summer.
		And suddenly, you know, her phone started ringing at 2 or 3 in the morning and no one was ever there.
		But when somebody started tapping at her second-story bedroom window, she decided to quit playing with the Ouija board.
		She was very scared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's too much of a door opening for me, thank you.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way too much.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't, what do we know?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		We're infants, I think, in this area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you meet Dr. Taff, Barry Taff?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		When I began the research for my book, Hollywood Haunted, every book I read on ghosts talked about Barry Taff.
unidentified		Yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And I found him, and we just got along right away, and he agreed to come out to many of these locations with me.
		He was really fascinated.
		He also got to see a side of old Hollywood that he wasn't privy to, going into some of the old studios and some wonderful old homes and nightclubs and restaurants and theaters and places he had not ever been before.
		We walked into the Hollywood Palace.
		It's a nightclub now.
		And he was so excited to be there, had never been there, was no sooner in the place when he grabbed my arm and said, I can't breathe.
		Something's choking me.
		I have to leave here.
		And off he went, vowing never to return.
		Well, you know, what was that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		A lot of people don't know that there was really a basis to the And there really was a basis to that movie.
		A real-life basis to that movie, wasn't there?
		And Dr. Taft knows, participated in a lot of that, didn't he?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he was the main investigator on the Entity case.
		He's investigated thousands of cases.
		And we had some fascinating experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I was about to ask if you knew of any other cases where a person is literally attacked by a spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not exactly common, is it?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		No, it really isn't.
		Not a violent attack.
		That is rare.
		It happens.
		Some people mistake things being, well, like you were describing, wires being cut and tape being ripped off.
		I mean, that sounds violent, but it may be actions just done to frighten you away where a spirit has no intention of hurting you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, it would work for me.
unidentified		Yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		It would work for me, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you can imagine damage, but you can't imagine damage when you can actually go back to when the damage occurred and watch a camera that had a close-up look of where it should be occurring, and it's not caught by camera, the exact opposite.
		You know, this damage is actually in real life done.
		Tremendous.
		I mean, it would have taken one person probably an hour, you know, to climb this thing and to do all this damage.
		And the other camera was focused right on it and never saw a thing happen.
		That's kind of the opposite of what we were talking about a little while ago.
unidentified		Yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		That is just wild.
		Well, the first time I saw a ghost, and I have quotes around the saw, it made something move in front of me and there was nothing there.
		And it was just, it was perfectly obvious that a ghost was in my presence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you see exactly?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I was at the famous Gromanz Chinese Theater early one morning with about five other historians.
		We were getting a tour of the theater and I was allowed to go backstage behind the movie screen.
		There was at one time a very large backstage area and live actors would entertain before the films in the 20s.
		So I went back there.
		It was all storage now, nothing exciting.
		I climbed down off the stage.
		I joined my friends in the middle of the auditorium and without speaking, all of us were compelled to turn back toward the stage.
		And something standing on the stage, a person standing on the stage, had grasped the floor-to-ceiling velvet drape.
		We could see the impressions that ten fingers were making in the velvet.
		We could see that that edge of the curtain and only that edge had been lifted up off the floor and was being shaken very angrily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Angrily.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I got a lot of anger.
		I felt like somebody was saying, you invaded my territory and I don't like it.
		There were no doors or windows back there.
		It was not blowing in the breeze.
		And I said a new land speed record.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that makes sense.
		Yeah, I would have done the same thing.
		New land speed record.
		Goodbye.
		She take me out of here.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		You know, and for weeks, I tried to talk myself out of the anger that I felt.
		I thought, you know, what else could a spirit have done to let me know that it was present?
		You know, anything it would have done would have frightened me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that was more than enough, right?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, I found out much later that it was the spirit of a man named Fritz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there, Laura.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
		I'm a happy, somebody say.
		Oh, I've got a happy music place.
		What do people need?
		is a way to make them smile.
		And ain't no other deal with you now.
		Gotta get them happy, get it all through.
		oh If you could read my mind, love what a tale my fox could tell.
		Just like an old-time movie, about a ghost from a wishing well.
		In a castle dark or a fortress strong, with chains upon my feet, you know that ghost is seen.
		And I will never be set free, as long as I'm a ghost you can see.
		If I could reach your mind, love, what a tale your thoughts could tell.
		Just like the paper matted over, but kind of just yourself.
		When you reach the part where the heartaches come, the hero would be me.
		Hero of the field.
		You won't read that book again, because the ending's just too hard to take.
		I'd walk away like a movie star who gets burned in a three-way strip into number two.
		A movie green, the flavor scene, bringing all the good things out in.
		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you recall the last time Gordon Michael Scallion was on my show?
		He said, Art, I think that events toward the end of 1999, October or November, are going to bring me back on your program.
		Because I had asked him, when do you think you'll be on next?
		He said, well, events will bring me on in October or November.
		He writes to me, facts that just came in.
		Art, CNN is now reporting that Mount Etna is acting up again.
		How about Gordon Michael Scallion?
		Good thought.
		Events, earthquakes, volcanoes, the ones he's talked about.
		A large earthquake in the southwestern part of the U.S. Yeah, might be time for Gordon Michael Scallion.
		We'll be right back with Laurie Jacobson.
unidentified		Skiss
unidentified		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell Somewhere in Time Once again, Lori Jacobson, and actually, my comment, I said, oh, people in Hollywood, they don't have egos, do they?
		So we'll sort of touch on that.
		But the spirit that you were encountering, what was it named again?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, here I was hoping for Sid Grahaman, but instead I got Fritz, a former employee.
		But I found out that Fritz was a very sad man, and he hung himself in the theater.
		And guess where?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Behind the movie screen.
		So I learned in my research that even though I tried to explain away having been afraid of him, I learned that you really need to go with your first instinct.
		And I sensed I invaded somebody's space and they were angry about it.
		And, you know, you don't just arbitrarily pick a spot to kill yourself in a public place.
		It's very well sought out.
		That's his spot.
		Nobody goes back there now.
		So what was I doing there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I guess you didn't go back, huh?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		No.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		That was enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Laurie, I was sort of joking about the commercial I just had on, but, you know, actors and people who perform, they have egos.
		I should know, right?
		And pretty big egos.
		And I have a feeling, just a feeling, since you work with the hauntings that occur in Hollywood, most specifically, that how to present this to you.
		I talk to a lot of people who talk to me of spiritual things.
		And they always say that to get in the right state, you must subvert the ego in almost every discipline you can name.
		You must subvert your own ego to pass into any sort of different realm or state of consciousness.
		You must defeat your own ego.
		People in Hollywood, oh, they have big egos, big egos.
		And I wonder if that has anything to do with the stubborn sort of behavior that Hollywood ghosts seem to exhibit in sticking around.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know it does with the ghost of Clifton Webb.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I should, but I don't.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		A marvelous, wonderful old actor, the original Mr. Belvedere, and A Knight to Remember the version of a Titanic spirit.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I really liked him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		John Phillips Sousa, and lots of things.
		Well, he, you know, his spirit continued to haunt his old house and drive the new occupants crazy.
		And they finally had a seance with the very famous psychic Sybil Leake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And they invited a bunch of Clifton's friends.
		And Sybil went into a trance and channeled Clifton.
		And the friends, who were like Ruth Gordon and, you know, amazing people, said that only Clifton would have known the things that came out of Sybil Leake's mouth as Clifton.
		And one of the things she said as Clifton was that he was terribly sad that he didn't think people remembered him after all his work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be a reflection of an ego, all right.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that was one of the reasons he was sticking around.
		And then there are others who are, you know, real workaholics, like Ozzie Nelson was a real workaholic.
		He still haunts the sound stage where they shot Ozzie and Harriet.
		And he has for a very long time haunted their old home.
		And besides the usual ghostly goings-on, and by that I mean lights and faucets turning on and off, doors opening and closing, besides that, Ozzy has kind of gotten very cozy with the women who have moved in the house.
		In the middle of the night, they feel someone pulling back the covers of their bed, someone nuzzling at their neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And taking a few liberties, I might say.
		Now, this activity has died down in the house since Harriet died.
		We were talking much earlier about, you know, if you don't know you're dead, can someone who is dead help you make that transition?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe Harriet got up there and straightened them out.
		Or over there, I don't know.
		On the other side.
		I don't know where the other side is.
		I wish I knew.
		I guess we all wish we knew.
		What do you make of people who have near-death experiences?
		Do you think they actually experience the other side or just sort of a transitional place?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I think, you know, in my mind, I think they see it from like across a lake.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		You know, they can see the lights and feel the warmth and the peace and the easiness of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they're close to it.
		They're touched by it, sort of.
		But they're not really there.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		You know, one foot in, one foot out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Ricky Nelson.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is the most amazing story.
		I have never told this story before.
		Ricky Nelson bought Errol Flynn's old estate.
		And when he was separated from his wife, he lived there with his daughter, Tracy.
		Ricky saw the ghost of Errol Flynn in the house upon occasion.
		Tracy saw him once, and Ricky just, you know, eased her and said, hey, it's just Errol.
		He's cool.
		One night, Tracy comes home and her father's on the road.
		She's there alone.
		She's upstairs in her room and she hears what she thinks is someone breaking in downstairs.
		She eventually hears crashing, furniture being thrown against the wall.
		She can hear her father's gold record being removed from the wall and smashed to smithereens.
		The house was shaking.
		She hid in the closet while this activity went on for at least 45 minutes.
		And finally, it stopped, and after a safe period of time, she went downstairs.
		Nothing had been touched.
		The two family cats had been put in Rick's bedroom, and the door was locked from the inside.
		Other than that...
		Mm-hmm, the bedroom door.
		But other than that, nothing had been touched.
		Well, she decided then and there she was moving out.
		And Rick stayed in the house with his girlfriend.
		And several months later, they called the police.
		They heard someone upstairs in Tracy's room, tearing the room apart, crashing, breaking.
		They ran outside, down the driveway, waiting for the police to arrive.
		And they went inside.
		The noise had stopped.
		Tracy's bedroom was locked from the inside.
		Nothing, nothing had been touched.
unidentified		I couldn't stay in anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely couldn't stay.
unidentified		I'd be gone.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Tracy said that when she was younger, none of her girlfriends would spend the night at her house.
unidentified		And she just treated it like a pet, she said.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		The house had a weird energy, and I just looked on it like it was some sort of pet.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And after Rick died, she said the energy in the house went from playful to completely malevolent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Malevolent.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		They were terrified to even be in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they attribute this to Rick's spirit?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		She thought that perhaps the smashing and the crashing had been some kind of a warning about what was going to happen to Rick.
		The house had been owned by a handsome man who died before his time, Errol Flynn.
		And now another handsome man was about to die before his time in a plane crash.
		And she said after he died, it turned completely black.
		They abandoned the house.
		And it eventually, mysteriously burned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ricky Nelson had a very unusual life, actually.
		You remember his song Garden Party?
		He was bitterly, bitterly disappointed later in life at the way the fans refused to accept anything new that he would do at all.
		And so I had the feeling, if you ever listen to the words of Garden Party, I had the feeling that he was bitter.
		And maybe I'm wrong, but the words of that song would indicate that he kind of felt bitter.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, Tracy does add that there was a lot of drug usage in the house, and it created kind of a frenetic energy.
		When her parents were together, there were a lot of problems.
		And she didn't know whether that added to the activity in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about drugs generally and the effect on spirits or humans who make the transition to spirits?
		Does it affect the transition, I wonder?
		I mean, it's not a natural state, that's for sure.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		You know who believed that, all Jewish Huxley, the great writer, when he knew it was his last day on earth, he had a long, lingering death from cancer.
		And apparently, the night before you die, you have this incredibly claustrophobic night, and you wake up and you know, this is it.
		My spirit can't stay in this sick body any longer.
		And he could no longer speak, and he wrote a note to his wife that he wanted to be injected with 100 cc's of pure LSD, which she did.
		Yeah, and then later on she gave him more, and then she laid down next to him and sort of talked him away.
		You have no regrets.
		It's easy to let go.
		And she said his breathing just got less and less, and he just sort of floated away.
		And he believed in the Tibetan book of the dead, which says the way you exit this world has a very direct effect on how you enter the next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that part I really buy because people who die violently tend to produce some sort of ghostly appearance.
		People who die with a great love, an unrequited great love, tend to remain.
		People who die with something very much undone, unfinished, tend to somehow hang around.
		All of this seems to, the way you die does seem to affect whether you transition easily or in a very, very troubled way.
		And you mentioned the drugs, and that might be a very troubled way, or maybe conversely, it made it a very easy way.
		I don't know.
unidentified		What do you say?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		He believed, he had experimented with LSD.
		He believed it was a very spiritual drug.
		He didn't take it casually the way we think of in the 60s.
		It was, you know, a highly treasured experience for him.
unidentified		Yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		So for him, it was a very spiritual passing.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		After all the things he'd written, when someone asked him his advice, what advice would he leave the earth with, he said, I wish we would all be a little kinder to one another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like Rodney King.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		But he had, you know, he lived a full life.
		When you talk about people dying violently, usually they are lives cut short.
		And when a life is cut short, there is unfinished business.
		And it's hard for us to let go on this plane.
		And it doesn't change all that much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're here for such a very short time cosmically.
		I mean, when you think of it, we're just, you know, boom, it's a blink of the eye that we're here and we're gone.
		But, you know, nevertheless, it is a linear stretch of time during which it does seem like you've got to get certain things accomplished or done.
		It feels that way.
		And so if it feels that way, it probably is that way.
		So do you believe that you're supposed to get certain things done?
unidentified		Yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		You're supposed to fulfill a certain, you know, a certain plot.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And whatever happens is the way it was supposed to happen, which is even more frustrating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was told by my own wife long ago, and I've said this many times on the radio, that when we first got together, I said to her, you know, if I was fatally ill and I was in great pain, I would think it might be appropriate to go out the easy way, take some pills, whatever, you know, not suffer through some horrible, twitching, terrible death.
		And she said, oh, no.
		She said, oh, no.
		You're supposed to go through that.
		You have to go through that.
		And if you don't go through that, if you take the short, easy way out, then you're going to have to live it again.
		Or you're going to have to live it out or karma or whatever you want to call it.
		You know, the words people use for this kind of thing.
		It will be worked out eventually, if not now later.
unidentified		What do you think about that?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I think that that has a good ring of truth to it.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I, you know, I don't know if I...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, hearkening back to that photograph that's up on the web right now that I had you look at, I interviewed while he was alive a truly great man named Father Malachi Martin.
		And I interviewed him many times.
		And after I interviewed this young lady who so deserved me, named Harlotte, I went to Father Martin, and here on the air, I did it on the air, and I said, Father, it just couldn't be true.
		In other words, how could a mother, a mother couldn't possibly take her son to hell with her?
		And there was this long pause, and Father Martin said, I'm sorry, Art, but she could.
		He was a Catholic priest who was advisor to a couple of popes and very high up in the Catholic Church, a critic of it at some levels.
		But he said, make no mistake, she absolutely could have done that.
		Taken her son, an innocent soul from my point of view, to hell with her.
		And here was a highly placed Catholic priest telling me, indeed, she could have done that.
		Doesn't seem right, does it?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet it's true.
		Hold on, stay right where you are, and...
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
		Every Lord I own the heart of at least one lovely girl.
		I've a pretty senior even when I'm here.
		Waiting for me.
		Just go back to home.
		If there ever in Alaska, I'll be seen like you let you.
		Oh, my sweet fly, burly sound.
		Make my heart start to earn in my child, but it's all gone.
		Wait for my return when it comes to waving over the sea.
		I remember the night when we had a hard time.
		But a heart and dance almost away and I'm not in it.
		You want me all that I get here?
		No matter what a heart is thinking.
		Now I'm disturbed.
		Hey, I'm the wisdom that I can make with him.
		We all get all in.
		La-la-da-da-da-da-da-da.
		He's gone.
		Honey.
		is I'm awake, but I can't help him, it's just too slow, yeah.
		He's got me all, I said I can hear.
		I got a lot.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from October 19, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, can't tell I'm stuck on this song, can ya?
		Good morning, everybody.
		Lori Jacobson is here, and her book is Haunted Hollywood, Hollywood Haunted, actually.
		And we're going to tell you how to get it in a moment.
		The usual way, of course, at Amazon.com.
		That's the easy way.
		Also a little cheaper, actually.
		It's the wave of the future, you know.
		The way we're going to be ordering everything.
		Probably kidneys one day.
unidentified		Let's go online, kidney.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that I know there is such a place.
		There probably is.
		There's dot-com or everything else.
		Anyway, I'm going to turn Lori over to you.
		So if you have a question about Hollywood and ghosts or just ghosts, she's your lady.
		Lori Jacobson.
		and the phone's coming up shortly.
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		You'll find it on CoastToCoast AM.
		Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
		Do you believe it's there?
		Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
		But it isn't.
		We don't have the government anymore.
		What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
		But we have no representation in that government.
		So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
		So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
		And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
		We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
		Music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, here we go to the phones with Laurie Jenkinson.
		Just one item first, Laurie, your book, Hollywood Haunted.
		I keep wanting to say, Haunted Hollywood.
		Did you debate at all the title of your book before you so named it?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		There is a book that's about 30 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Called Haunted Hollywood?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no rule against that.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		That was the big debate.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you could have done that, or you could have gone with what you did, Hollywood Haunted.
		Well, where can people get your book?
		Obviously, Amazon.com, of course.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Amazon.com.
		It will be in stores on the 25th.
		You can also get it from my publisher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Also, it's not new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it hasn't even hit the store shelves yet.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		This is an updated and revised edition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Several new stories, including the Ricky Nelson story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Lots of pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's brand new then.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And it is brand new.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		You can get a signed copy if you call my publisher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People love those things.
		They love them.
		So you can really get a signed copy, huh?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		You really can.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		The 800 number is 949-8039.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I went here 8039.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's 1-800-949-8039.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Autographed copy.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Autographed copy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I love autographed copies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I, of course, get a lot of them because I interview a lot of authors, so I'm very fortunate to have autographed copies.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you must have a spectacular library.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you just wouldn't believe it.
		I truly do.
		And it means a lot to me.
		I don't know.
		These books mean a lot to me, period.
		But when you have an autographed copy, it's really very, very meaningful.
		So anyway, if you folks want an autographed copy, 1-800-949-8039, it's Hollywood Haunted.
		So if you're ready, Lori, we're going to go to the phone and see what's out there.
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it comes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Lori Jacobson and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which island?
unidentified		On Oahu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oahu, the big one.
		No, the main one.
		Not the big one.
unidentified		The main one, yeah.
unidentified		I actually moved here from Humboldt County.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well.
unidentified		And I started listening to you up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, you're in a very haunted place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There could be a book called Haunted Hawaii.
unidentified		Oh, I believe it.
		I believe it.
		I actually have a couple comments first, and then a question for Lori.
		First comment is, thank you so much for your show.
		I have to say that.
		A friend of mine, Up and Humbled, after my old landlord, turned me on to your show.
		I have to say hi to Billy.
		My name's Kat.
		I have to say hi to Billy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your name is Kat?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a favorite song right now called Year of the Cat.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		I know.
		You listen to it.
		My fiancé laughs every time you put it on when you play it.
		There you are.
		But the second comment I have for you, which we're not going to discuss right now, obviously, I saw one of the green fireballs the other night.
		I kept trying to call your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		But then my question for Lori is, I had a couple of experiences when I was living in Southern California, and I completely believe in everything you're talking about.
		But it was right after I had my son.
		He's almost 13 now, and I guess he was about four months old at the time.
		And I always had him sleep with me.
		And I got up in the night with him, you know, new mom, and was lying there in bed, hadn't fallen back to sleep yet, and had this experience of these little creatures coming around me, like little dark, shadowy figures.
		And it frightened me.
		It didn't frighten me for my son, but it scared me for me.
		And I screamed, and they just like dispersed.
		And so there was a period of time where I was scared to go to sleep, got over it, and about two years later, the exact same thing happened in a different apartment.
		And now he was two years old at this time.
		And I just want to know what your comment is on some kind of experience like that.
		Because most people think I'm nuts when I talk about it.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		When they came back two years later, was it to the same place?
unidentified		No, it was a different apartment.
		The only same thing about the apartment, same town, the only similarities was the same kind of windows.
		They were the crank windows that open out.
		It was in Ventura, California.
		And both really old apartment buildings.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I know Barry Taff would be all over you asking if there were any odd marks on your body or because he has described abductions.
		Well, you know, he has described to me, you know, people visiting from other places and kind of taking notes what's going on in your life now.
		And they would come back a couple of years later.
unidentified		Well, I've always felt that that was like something that was going to be reoccurring in my life.
		I haven't experienced it since.
		And the only similarities, like I said, were the windows.
		And also my son was still sleeping with me both times.
		And since he wasn't sleeping with me anymore, you know, after he became, you know, three, I never had that experience again.
		But it always affected me, I think.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I can see why, but I'm really glad it's not happening anymore.
unidentified		I know, me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call, Kathy.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Do ghosts frequently, or entities, do they follow people?
		I mean, usually they seem anchored to a place, but are they ever anchored instead to a prison and follow them?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		The entity case was an example of that, where she actually moved states away and it continued to go with her.
		You know, like I said, ghosts were humans.
		You know, they attached themselves to houses, to favorite rocking chairs, to it's why even the ancient Egyptians said you're not supposed to remove anything from this tomb.
		It meant something to someone.
		It was in a sacred spot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, there are, in fact, pretty well-documented stories about people who have opened tombs, who have...
		You know that.
		So I don't know.
		what is that is that a is it like Very odd since the majority of people don't believe in curses anymore, and so they don't seem to really.
		Yeah, a lot of people who died so horribly also didn't believe in curses, once who opened those tombs.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Now this I don't know, but I do know that spirits can go with an object or with a person.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		They can appear momentarily like the ghost of Lucy to lament the loss of her home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's one for you.
		Here's a horrible little thought.
		Do they remain ever with their bodies?
		I mean, we hear lots and lots of stories about graveyards, don't we?
		graveyards as places of haunting which would indicate to me that the spirit is unable to divest itself of the body or the other way around I guess you know I've heard of spirits being seen occasionally near their graves but How about morgues?
		I'd you like to work in a morgue at one point.
		Right?
		I mean, these are the very recently dead.
		Refrigerated.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		It's not high on my list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I must be in a mood.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Lori Jacobson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good evening, Laura.
		And good evening, Lori.
		This is John calling from Bel Air, and I thoroughly enjoy your show.
		I think it's a wonderful thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, John.
unidentified		And I have a theory, and then I have a question for Lori.
		And my theory is, Laurie, do you think it is possible that ghosts, spirits, and hauntings may be recordings like basically the universe around us, when we experience an incredible amount of emotion, physics teaches us that energy doesn't disappear.
		We can send energy out into the universe, and it can change forms, but it doesn't disappear.
		Do you think it is conceivable that in the case of some of these more horrible violent deaths, you know, the amount of energy, not just physical, but the mind, the spirit, the amount of trauma that some of these unfortunate individuals experienced prior to being killed, do you think that is what is just hanging around, that emotional energy?
		And perhaps gifted psychics and mediums can tune into energy that is around us all the time.
		I mean, maybe ghosts are around us all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you think, sir, the real spirit moves on, is that what you're saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just sort of an echo?
unidentified		Yeah, kind of like an echo.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can answer that in two ways.
		There are spirits who interact with people who are living.
		They see them.
		They respond to them.
		And then there are spirits that people see that seem to be repeating an endless tape loop, the same activity over and over again.
		And often it is reliving a violent end.
		And I agree with you.
		I think that is trapped energy more than a ghost.
		And in some cases, I mean, on how many levels, okay, art will love this, on how many levels do we exist?
		In the case of Sharon Tate, the incredible, violent nature of her death, I think, was out there so far in advance that two years prior to her death, she saw an apparition that was her death.
		She didn't recognize, she knew it was a dead person.
		I don't believe she recognized it as herself.
		But two years before this happened to her, so maybe it had happened on another plane some other time.
unidentified		Thank you.
		And my other question is, is the Doheny Mansion haunted?
		I was at a shoot there a couple weeks ago and a number of us were running around the rooms upstairs in the middle of the day.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I have heard that it was, but my partner in the book, Mark Wanamaker, lived there for a time and said nothing ever happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you experience, sir?
unidentified		Honestly, nothing.
		I wish I could say I experienced something.
		I was actually in the room where supposedly a murder occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well then her answer is right in line.
unidentified		Definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Very good.
		I would have expected you to have said, oh yes, yes, figuring that that's what he was saying, but you didn't.
		Good answer.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Lori Jacobson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, King of Talk.
		How you doing?
		This is Kathy from Woodwards, New Jersey.
		Hey, Kath, number one on WABC.
		I hear you shook, rattled, and rolled, and I'm so glad you and Ramona are okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I'm telling you, never again do I want to feel that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never, ever, ever, ever again.
unidentified		Never, ever feel safe anywhere, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, after that, you don't.
unidentified		We're keeping in topic form here.
		Whenever people go to locations, Lori, to do movies, many movies about polericed or just strange subjects, how about biographies, about actors who are dead 60 years or so.
		Has there ever been a story that's good enough to tell about a haunting on a Saturday?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question, Kathy, and I bet there is.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's quite a few.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		At Universal Studios, which was known for its horror pictures in the 30s, and they had the biggest horror star there was, Lon Cheney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And they built this soundstage, Stage 28, especially for him to do The Phantom of the Opera.
		The Paris Opera House sets were so enormous they had to build a special soundstage for it.
		And to this day, the Opera House sets are still stored in there, and lights go on and off, doors open and close, things move, and people see a caped figure running along the catwalk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say a caped figure?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		A caped figure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A caped figure.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Much like the phantom.
		Right.
		And most people believe it's Alon.
unidentified		That's...
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		That happens to be my favorite one.
		I'm trying to think, what is the movie where everyone sees the little boy looking through the window?
		Do you know what I'm talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The little boy looking through the window.
unidentified		Oh, it's three men.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three men and a baby, yeah.
		Now that's real.
		That's real.
		Somehow, I forget the story or how it happened, but one frame, one frame in that movie really is there, and you can find that frame of that child looking out the window.
		You can find that.
		There's no question about it.
		You can actually find it in the movie.
		You can go rent the movie.
		If you have a very good VCR and you can go frame by frame, you can find that.
		It'll give you the chills, but I'm not sure you want to, but you can.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Lori Jacobson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening, Art and Lori.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Calling from Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Over the years, I've had a chance to add various spiritual occurrences that happened in my family and all as growing up.
		Regret I never got to relate one to Malachi Martin, where in our family we had various religious statues that one was a statue of Joseph.
		We lifted it by the head, and the head just came off in our hand, and within a week one of our relatives died.
		Another time, a crucifix was on a solid wall, just fell off and broke.
		We're like, how did this actually just jump off the wall and do that?
		And within a week, another relative of ours died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, I just bet it's a real happy moment around your house when something like that happens.
unidentified		A little signals, a little signals.
unidentified		Now, for Lori, we all stand around looking at each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who is next?
unidentified		Who will it be?
		So for Lori, though, being in Los Angeles, I've heard about the Variety Arts Center.
		And I wonder if Lori's aware of it, because through a friend of mine, a ghost story was related where maybe three people went in the bar area.
		It was an old entertainment building in downtown Los Angeles.
		There were about three people having a drink.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell you what, sir, can you hold that story?
		Otherwise, we won't do it justice.
		We'll be back right after the break.
		Which is now.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from October 19, 1999.
		Oh, the East Mouse and Marie's the name of the ladies flame.
		He talked and talked.
		And I heard him say that she had the longest, fucking hair, the prettiest green dolls anywhere.
		And Marie's the name of the lady's flame.
		Though I smile the tears inside her, I wish him luck for me.
		She doesn't give you time for questions as she locks up your arms and hurts.
		And you follow to yourself which direction completely disappears.
		While the boots have all never marked the skull, but the hidden where she leads you to.
		These days, as I feel my life, just like a river running through, it's the year of the camp.
		The End
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is for Cat in Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just that very name alone recalled the fact that I wanted to hear this one again tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's haunting.
unidentified		One morning comes my soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So many songs like that.
		It's good to be here.
		We've got Lori Jacobson more directly ahead with your phone calls as we talk about ghosts.
		Her book is Hollywood Haunted.
		It's one you're going to want, and the new version is out, and you can get an autographed copy, and I'll go over that number one more time.
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		Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
		Do you believe it's there?
		Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
		But it isn't.
		We don't have the government anymore.
		What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies, but we have no representation in that government.
		So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
		So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
		And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music All right, once again, going back to Lori Jacobson, and you can get an autographed copy of Hollywood Haunted.
		Just about to hit the store shelves ahead of time.
		Autographed yet.
		Back now to Lori, and there was a gentleman with us, sir.
		You're back on the air again.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
		This was regarding the Variety Arts Center in downtown Los Angeles.
		It's a building of past entertainers, vaudeville and all, and some of the old-timers that would come back and do their acts for people who want to enjoy them once again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get good and close to the phone for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's better.
unidentified		So a friend of mine was 16 at the time, and his parents were in the entertainment business, so he happened to stop into the club or whatever, the little restaurant area there.
		He had a little bar on a particular floor, upper floor, got himself a soda, a few snacks, and said, I'm going to go to the restroom.
		Which way is it?
		Well, the bartender directed him down the hall on this particular floor.
		And as he's walking down the hall, he says, oh, are they reconstructing something there?
		Because it's kind of noisy at the end of the hall.
		And the bartender says, oh, you hear that, huh?
		And he says, well, yeah.
		He says, well, you know, there used to be stairs that went to another room on another floor.
		They're not there anymore.
		But that's where they used to be.
		So he says, oh, okay, well, I'm looking for the restroom.
		And the guy says, well, it's on this side of the hall.
		So he went to the restroom to wash his hands off from the snacks he was chewing on and all that.
		And he looks in the mirror, and he sees a woman behind him.
		Just then the stall door of one of the stalls there just slammed shut.
		And he looked up again.
		The woman wasn't there.
		He immediately just left the faucet running and got out of there.
		Went up to the bartender, said, where's that woman?
		Who is she?
		The bartender says, oh, you saw her too, huh?
		And he says, yeah.
		He says, well, that's a ghost that seems to wander the building.
		And she particularly likes people with blue eyes.
		Well, my friend did have blue eyes, and that's how he was able to see her.
		But she did pay a visit, and that's another site in Los Angeles.
		I don't know if your guest mentioned in her book.
		That and maybe the world-famous comedy store ghost as well.
		Is she familiar with that?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		At the comedy store, I have an extensive chapter, and I was a waitress there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you were?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So I experienced a great deal while I was there.
		The Variety Arts Center, though, I did not Include, and it's a wonderful old building.
		So, thank you for that great story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Marilyn Monroe, I've seen so much on her life, and it was such a troubled, strange life that this woman led.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you know about her?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And so odd now, they're auctioning off all her personal items.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I've heard, yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Marilyn, you know, Marilyn was a true child of Hollywood, and she loved to stay at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel.
		And she stayed there so often.
		She had a beautiful, full-length antique mirror installed in her favorite suite.
		When she died, they took the mirror out.
		They stored it downstairs.
		It stayed there for 25 years.
		Its history was forgotten.
		The hotel underwent a major renovation in the mid-80s.
		They found the mirror.
		They thought it was pretty.
		They installed it in the lower lobby.
		And on the night of the grand reopening, a cocktail waitress was walking by the mirror and she decided to polish it.
		She's cleaning it.
		She sees a blonde woman in the mirror.
		She turns around.
		There's no one there.
		She turns back to the mirror.
		The image is still there.
		And when she looks closely at it, it's Marilyn Monroe looking in the mirror, primping with her makeup, fixing her hair, as she must have done hundreds of times before.
		She got a very warm, happy feeling from the image that she saw.
		Now, is that a ghost, or is that, as your previous caller said, a trapped energy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or an echo.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I think it's an echo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's what I hope.
		You know, for all of our sakes, that's what I hope.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Lori Jacobson.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hi, this is Amber in Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Amber.
unidentified		Thank you for taking my call.
unidentified		Good morning, Lori.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I have a question regarding the photos on Art's web page.
		You mentioned the occupants of the residence are negative.
		What is negative about them?
		I mean, are we talking negativity like Grumpy Gus or actual negatively evil?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		They are described to me as just not nice people.
unidentified		You can see the house is just a little bit of a friend that she feels negativity from them yet she still lives there.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		It's her family.
unidentified		Oh, that's unfortunate.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and at the moment she has nowhere else to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now these photos went up on the website earlier in the day and I got several photographs who said they thought that emails about the photographs which said that they thought it was somehow thought it was your house, Lori.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they said, why don't you tell this woman when you get around the air tonight, clean up her damn house?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		It's not my house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
unidentified		Well, speaking still of the photos, is there in the photo where there's actually it looks like a daylight photograph of the religious calendar, is there a woman sitting under that in that photo?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		No.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		There's a picture, so you can see the calendar clearly, and then there's the other picture with the demon.
unidentified		Oh, no, you know what?
		It is the one with the, as you say, the 13th century Bohemian demon.
		There's not a woman sitting below that?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Maybe it's just the way I'm seeing it.
		As you said, there seems to be a lot of food and clutter about.
		Are there several people in the residence?
		Yes.
		And are they perhaps stockpiling for Y2K?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I doubt that.
		But, you know, a person who would keep a house that way would be, in my opinion, a troubled person, some way or another.
		And so I guess I'm not surprised at the negative aspect of it.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Lori Jacobson.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Andy from Largo, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Andy.
unidentified		Hi, good.
unidentified		Thanks for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		Lori, I was looking at Art's ghost page, page two, where he's got where the listeners and then their enhanced images.
unidentified		Image number nine, where the listener drew her like a red circle and says, what is this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that she's had an opportunity to see it, so go ahead.
unidentified		But outside of that, I'm not looking inside the red circle, but outside of that on your desk where your ham equipment is, it looks like a little alien face.
		Sounds kind of crazy, but if you just look at it, and then when you see that, then look back above your forehead area where he's got that drawn in there where that looks like ectoplasm, it looks like the same kind of species.
		It's just something strange I looked at.
		Really look at that.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will do that, and I'm sure Laurie will as well.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Check it out.
unidentified		But I just thought I'd call and let you look at it.
unidentified		Okay, thank Dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And I think, Laurie, that I've determined over the years that dealing with this kind of material and talking about these kinds of things brings them on.
		Thought about that at all?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Dr. Taft, for example, when I talked to him about the entity case, I questioned him very closely, and he's very careful about what he says with regard to what he believes about that.
		For example, I asked him, is it not possible, Doctor, that she brought it on herself, that this was actually a manifestation of her own brain?
		And he said, oh, yes, it's possible.
		Entirely possible.
		And he sort of leans in that direction.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he shared that with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		That she was rather a, you know, frenetic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, yes.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And that, you know, that energy, you know, can draw negative things to you.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Many of the people who allowed me into their homes with Barry and with psychics said that after we left, the spirits in their house kicked up a big fuss And they wouldn't let us back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, again, I believe, and I really do, that dealing with this kind of stuff brings it on, and it begs the question of whether the investigator, even some investigators like yourself, are more likely to see or have an experience with what we regard as an entity of some kind, a ghost, if you will, and it's because we deal with this material.
		We're open to it.
		It's like using a Ouija board and opening the door.
unidentified		You ever think about that?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, as many times as I went out and I was told that I was in the presence of a spirit, and as, you know, the psychics could, and Bar, they could outline exactly where they felt this energy.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't see or feel anything, and I so wanted to, and I believed, but, you know, as one of the psychics said, I just wasn't tuned into the right frequency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Lori Jacobson.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
		You're going to have to yell at us on you.
		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Okay, I'm sorry.
unidentified		This is Lisa from Fort Lauderdale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Lisa.
unidentified		Hi.
		Well, you know, I heard you make the comment about Three Men and a Baby, that movie with the little boy.
		And I did see that and it really, really freaked me out.
		But my question was about the Wizard of Oz.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a scene.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		I know what you're going to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't, so say it.
unidentified		Well, I'm trying to remember what part it was.
		I think it was at the part after the witch appears and she's throwing the fireballs at Dorothy and the scarecrow and the lion and tin man.
		And then as they go and skip down the yellow brick road, in the distance where you would imagine that it would be like a painted backdrop, you see some activity.
		And it almost looks like a person climbing up on a ladder and jumping off the ladder and they hang themselves.
		And that's what I've been told that it was.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		That is an odd rumor that has circulated for the last several years that one of the munchkins hanged themselves in the back of the picture.
		And the picture's been playing for 60 years and people just picked it up.
		No, it's actually, when you look at it, it's an odd ostrich-like bird.
unidentified		Okay.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		You know, with the head bobbing.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, now when you see it, you'll clearly see that that's what it was.
unidentified		But why would a bird be there?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		They actually got it from the L.A. Zoo.
		It was a theme in the film that they did not carry through.
		Exotic animals in the forest.
		But they had rented this bird and they paid a fortune, so they used it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, isn't that strange?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's your answer.
unidentified		Okay, well, thank you.
		But Laurie, you know what?
		Did you have any information about that little boy that was in Three Minute Baby?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		No.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		No, I've just heard the story and seen it, you know, in the frame.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you've seen it, too?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		Okay, well, thank you very much for answering my question.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And people inevitably run out, I suppose, and rent that.
		Hi there.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Lori Jacobson.
unidentified		Good morning, and thank you for taking my call.
		Sure.
		Laurie, I wondered if anyone had possibly done a correlation between the apparitions or ghosts that you hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I can barely hear her either.
unidentified		Some people say it.
		I wondered if there's any correlation between the ghosts and apparitions that some people see or hear and whether or not the tracing of the person's ancestry shows any designation of their spirituality.
		In other words, have there been any records to show whether or not a ghost was of a spiritual nature or of any particular faith?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Hmm.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I have seen ghosts of monks and nuns, so I suppose they, you know, they were spiritual people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a problem for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've seen ghosts of monks and nuns.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, and I, excuse me, I said that too quickly.
		I have stories of monks and nuns in this old monastery in Hollywood.
		And psychics have seen long rows of monks chanting and walking through the monastery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i'm not sure i like that in other words in unless you go with the echo or endless Yeah, if it's not an echo, then I'm troubled greatly by it because if monks are stuck here for some reason and nuns, then, you know, I'm definitely stuck here.
		One way to think about it.
		Laurie, you've been a real pleasure to have on the air.
		And again, I want to plug your book for you.
		It's called Hollywood Haunted, and people can get it at amazon.com or really cool is an autographed copy.
		And you can get that by calling.
		By the way, is that a 24-hour number?
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		No, it isn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It isn't.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's a machine will pick up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A machine will get it.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		If you call now in the middle, it's the middle of the night in Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In LA.
		Right, it is.
		So the number is 1-800-949-8039.
		Again, just so you get it, so you're sure you've got it, it's 1-800-949-8039.
		And again, I want to thank you for coming on the program.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Art, it's always so much fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we will have you back again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Lori.
unidentified		Good night, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Lori Jacobson.
		And one would imagine, wouldn't one, that the egos of Hollywood would remain.
		Unfinished business.
		Refusal to leave the set and the audience and the rush.
		All right, we're going to do an hour of open lines directly ahead.
		This whole week is going to kind of be catch-as-catch-can.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		The Drift Back in Time continues, with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast A.M. More somewhere in Time coming up.
		I can't say bye without your love.
		Oh, baby, don't leave me this away.
		I can't accept I surely miss your tender fear.
		Don't leave me this way, baby!
		My heart is full of love and desire for you.
		Now go down and do what you gotta do.
		You thought there's that fire down in my bowl.
		Now can't you see it fire in the heart of She's got something to move my soul, and she knows I'd love to love her.
		But she lets me down every time and make her mind.
		She's no one who loves tonight with me, she'll be so in mind.
		I want it all for myself.
		Oh, I'm impatient.
		I'm looking through my mind, my mind.
		Oh, I'm impatient.
		You gotta love me.
		You gotta love me tonight.
		You gotta love me, baby.
		You gotta love me.
		Oh, my bad, just the same, but just the same.
		My head is better.
		She's got a way to keep me on her side.
		Just a bite.
		Everybody with me should be so bad.
		I wanna hold my bed.
		I'm patient I'm looking through my, my, my door Temptation.
		Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues courtesy of Premier Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, there are certain songs that just sort of reach through the years and grab at you the way they did then.
		This is one of them.
		Remember it?
		Temptation Eyes?
		Grassroots.
		Actually, in an earlier incarnation in my lifetime, they introduced the Grassroots on stage, along with some other rock groups.
		That was another lifetime ago.
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		You'll find it on CoastToCoast AM.
		Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
		Do you believe it's there?
		Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
		But it isn't.
		We don't have the government anymore.
		What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies, but we have no representation in that government.
		So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
		So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
		And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
		We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
		Music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how's your noodle?
		Pretty interesting name, isn't it?
		All right, we're going into Open Lines, which means you can talk about anything you want to talk about.
		And we are going to kind of play it by ear all week.
		I may or may not schedule a guest for the rest of the week.
		Maybe I'll do Open Lines.
		You know, people keep wanting me to do this Illuminati line, but I thought it might be fun to open a special line for Secret Society members.
		Now, you know, if we just did Illuminati, I don't think we'd get enough.
		But if we open a line for secret society members, people with knowledge that is said to have been passed down over generation after generation after generation, to probably a time when we cannot even recall the genesis of it all.
		If we were to open a line for secret societies, which I have never done, it might be kind of fun.
		So maybe we'll do an open line night and combine it with a special secret society line.
		Maybe we'll do that tomorrow night.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll see.
		I've got a couple of guests coming up soon that I'm working on now.
		George Carlin is one of them.
		Yes, George Carlin.
unidentified		George, where are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear from his office just about daily.
		He wants to be on the show, but he, of course, has a lot of commitments, as you know.
		So he'll be here soon.
		And Crystal Gale, who I've never had on the air.
		And I've got to follow up on that, too.
		I got a message from Crystal.
		I'm sort of tied into the idea of a group of open lines, and I really like the idea of a secret society line.
		Secret society whistleblowers.
		That's what it would be, right?
		Yes.
		On the international line, you are on the air.
		Top of the morning to you.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bell at Sam in Ontario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, David.
unidentified		I was just wondering, last week I thought you said you were going to have on Major Ed Daines the night that you had on Richard Hoagland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I didn't say that.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Must have been my radio.
		Were you planning on having him on soon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Always, I will always have Ed Danes on again soon, so look forward to it.
		Of course, yes.
		Yes, any time with Ed.
		And especially now toward the end of the year.
		And especially since, uncomfortably, quite a number of his predictions really have begun to manifest themselves.
		A lot of people either love or hate Ed Dames, but he's had a lot of hits.
		He's really had a lot of hits.
		If you look at Ed Dames' predictions, as you would look at the quatrains of Nostradamus, then you would have to conclude that things like the encephalitis outbreak in New York might have some relationship to a prediction made by Ed Dames.
		Loose and not that loose, really.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So good to hear from you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good to hear from you, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in a truck, right?
unidentified		Yeah, in my car driving down the freeway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in a car, okay.
unidentified		Well, this is Daryl in Sacramento.
		Yes.
		A curious question for you.
		Why is it that you decided to switch Mondays and Fridays?
		I know you have the special shows on, pre-recorded, but why do you continue to do that?
		Are you just taking extra time with your family or what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a lot of things going on in my personal life, sir, some of which I can't discuss right now that require that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's personal.
unidentified		About those flashlights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The LED flashlights?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the flashlight.
unidentified		Is the array in those the same as in the light that comes with the Bajin?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes and no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, for example, they have a new offering of a light with eight, check it out, eight LEDs.
unidentified		Oh, now that would be brighter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not just brighter, but it rivals or exceeds a regular flashlight in brightness.
unidentified		Yeah, definitely.
		That would be better, because I've got the Bajin with the light, and it's bright.
		I mean, it'll put out some light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's not designed to be the world's answer to light the darkness of the night.
		But it will light.
		I mean, if your power went off and it was dark in the house, it'd beat the hell out of a candle.
unidentified		Oh, I totally agree.
		100%.
		Yeah, now, is that 8-light array on the new flashlight, is that the same deal as the 30 bucks or whatever?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's just 30, I forget what it is.
		Maybe it's more.
		You'd have to call Bob Crane and ask.
		It's just out.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's brand new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like within the last few days.
unidentified		That's a slick deal.
		Three batteries, I take it?
		I think two C-cells.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's a real serious line.
unidentified		Hey, I love your show, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you, my friend.
unidentified		Fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, I'm John.
unidentified		I'm calling from Yonkers, New York, listening on Talk Radio out of Philadelphia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had to switch over when WABC went to the morning show.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'd like to say how relieved I was to learn that no munchkins were hanged during the filming of The Wizard of Oz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you had heard that, too, huh?
unidentified		I'd heard that over the years.
		I haven't seen the movie in a long time.
		But I'm just glad to know that none of the little people were harmed.
		The reason why I called was the BBC Online story about the drilling in Antarctica in search of possible extraterrestrial organisms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Wonderful.
		Just wonderful.
unidentified		The first time I heard that story, it reminded me of something.
unidentified		There's a gothic fiction writer by the name of H.P. Lovecraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I've got to correct you just a little bit.
		They weren't in search of extraterrestrial organisms, although you might as well think of it that way.
		What they were in search of was to core down and get organisms that lived on Earth as much as 30 to 40 million years ago.
		Now, that's almost like getting extraterrestrial organisms, or really might be for all we know.
		But either way, you've got to figure.
		It could be really deadly for us.
unidentified		Well, that's what makes this Lovecraft story so intriguing, because in 1931 he published a story called At the Mountains of Madness.
		And it deals with a group of scientists who travel to Antarctica to drill for core samples.
		In the process of doing so, they discover a cave that's been sealed for tens of millions of years, and in it they find these large organisms that they've never seen before.
		They take, you know, a small group of scientists take some of these organisms back to the base camp to examine them.
		A blizzard moves in, they're cut off from communication, a rescue party is sent out, they find the camp deserted, these organisms have disappeared.
		And it's later discovered that these are actually were survivors of a race of intelligent aliens which presumably migrated to Earth 20, 30 million years ago when Antarctica had a warm climate.
		And it's strange how sometimes fact and fiction seem to interrelate with each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Synchronicity, it's called.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're right.
		And actually, I don't think it matters whether they'd be extraterrestrial or just really that old.
		Either way, for the present human race, it could have as large a negative impact.
unidentified		You know, one thing, you also mentioned last week's broadcast of the NOVA episode Time Travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that was one of the final appearances, I understand it, of Carl Sagan.
unidentified		And he said something very interesting about ghosts, which ties into tonight's guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did he say?
unidentified		In response to the question, if time travelers from the future are here, why don't we see them?
unidentified		He speculated that, well, perhaps those phenomena that we call UFOs or ghosts are actually time travelers or time machines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was, you know, what was happening to Carl toward the end was really remarkable.
		All his professional career, he really laid this kind of thing to waste.
		I mean, he really went after this sort of thing and just pooed it, you know.
		But then toward the end, he began to change in his views about what might be out there and what might be down here.
unidentified		really strange toward toward the end of his life he really began to modify his views and say things that The interesting thing, excuse me, about Dr. Sagan is that at the beginning of his career, he made his reputation as sort of one of the angry young men of science.
		Back in 1963, he co-wrote a book with a Russian astronomer named Aya Shlovsky.
		And in this book, he commented that astronomical observations of the Martian moon Phobos seemed to indicate that it was not a natural object.
		So Dr. Sagan did go from one extreme to the other.
		He did.
		You're right during the course of his career.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right.
		Thank you very much.
		He's right.
		He did swing back and forth.
		But toward the end, he really said what was on his mind.
		That's not such a surprise.
		I mean, if you work for the USGS right now, for example, you probably have to take the official position that people who predict earthquakes are, you know, relaxed, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		Right?
		Or maybe something slightly lesser.
		Maybe you chuckle or you do whatever you do if you work for the USGS, if that's where your check is signed every week or two weeks or however often USGS people get paid.
		But after you retire, frequently you begin expressing a very different sort of opinion about that kind of phenomenon.
		You know, it's like you're set free.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Jason Frump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Jason.
unidentified		Hey, how you doing, man?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Just fine?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm glad that you made it through the earthquake okay, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How was it for you, Jason, since you're here in town?
unidentified		You know, I was driving home and I thought we had some high winds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like your car was getting pushed all over?
unidentified		Yeah, I was working swing shift and things got kind of squirrely and then I was listening to the repeat.
		You came on the air.
		Yes.
		And as soon as you came on the air, I went and activated my ham radio and all the local Aries network, everybody was online.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Oh, yes.
		Everything was coming up.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you talk to other people who were in homes and buildings, family, and that sort of thing?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did they say about it?
unidentified		They said it was a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a good one, all right.
unidentified		Everybody's pretty worried, and as I was coming into town, what I did was I gave everybody the report that, well, I see that the power is not out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		The power didn't go out.
		Amazing that the power didn't go out.
unidentified		Yeah, that was something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's hard for me to imagine the earth would move beneath our feet in that kind of a violent fashion for that long without some wires and poles going down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was amazing.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, really, that actually, thanks, Jason.
		That was the story of this earthquake.
		I mean, it really was rough.
		And I'm a fairly old earthquake hand.
		I went through a lot of them on Okinawa in Japan, Asia generally, but particularly on Okinawa.
		That's a serious Ringo Fire zone there on the island.
		And I went through a lot of them.
		But this one scared me more than any.
		Maybe because it went on for so long.
		But the real story of this earthquake is that there wasn't that much damage.
		Well, at least because of where it was, you know, it was in a fairly unpopulated area.
		But you heard Jim Birkland in the first hour.
		If you didn't, you will.
		In fact, I think I'll have the first hour replayed when we finish here this morning.
		For those of you that sort of get the repeat, we'll do the first hour instead of the second hour.
		And you'll get to hear Jim talk about that.
		But there was a 25-mile stretch of land that was offset a long way, and they've just found it.
		It's where this earthquake occurred, a 25-mile rupture in the land.
		The only thing I forgot to ask Jim about tonight was the Mexican village that swirled into the ground.
		That one still bothers me, and I meant to ask Jim about that.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're not.
		I didn't push the button.
		West of the Rockies, now you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		I wondered how the kitties did in your earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ran like bats out of hell.
		Oh man, especially my wild one.
		I have not seen him move so fast since he's been here.
		He tore across the room and went into the he lives half his life in my closet still.
unidentified		Oh, at that now, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he planted himself in his little sort of a lair for himself in my closet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And actually in my wife's closet, and that's where he was and stayed for a long time.
unidentified		Did they give you any signals before?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if they did, I wasn't paying attention.
unidentified		Wasn't there a loud explosion like a day or two before where they thought something had blown up and then they decided it was some sort of a sonic boom?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think I heard that.
unidentified		I heard something like that and it was down in California, but I don't know where.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I don't know if that relates to the earthquake or not.
unidentified		Because I've heard sometimes there is some sort of a loud explosion before an earthquake.
unidentified		Okay, well, thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, thank you for calling, and take care of y'all.
		I'm telling you, you scared the hell out of me.
		I really thought the first flash was, we're not going to live through this, you know, a little ways into it.
		As it gets heavier and heavier and heavier, and things are really swinging and the house is really moving all over the place, and you can actually feel the waves pushing the house around.
		You can hear it creaking, and you can see, you can almost like a horror movie where you can see the floor in waves.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air high.
unidentified		Hi, Os.
unidentified		This is Carolyn in Perump as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're in Perump too!
unidentified		Yes, sir, yeah, I am, and loving it.
unidentified		We're holding you here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't it something?
unidentified		Oh, my God.
laurie jacobson ▲ ● ▼		That was amazing.
unidentified		I just thought.
		I mean, it just never would stop.
		The water in our pool was going schlippity schlop all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		You know, the people in Las Vegas talked about how serious it was there when I ran out of casinos.
		They don't know how much worse it was here.
unidentified		Uh-huh, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I was really quite surprised.
		I almost called CNN myself, and I said, you guys are talking about everywhere else.
		Why don't you try talking about Perump?
		Because we really caught hell here.
		Can you hold on?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we've got a break we've got to make at the bottom of the hour.
		And I never regarded Perump as earthquake country.
		Well, I do now.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
		Gonna take a lot of love.
		We won't get to run far.
		So if you look in my direction and we don't see eye to eye, my heart needs protection, and so do I. Gonna take a lot of love.
		Oh I feel it in my fingers, I feel it in my toes.
		Help it for myself.
		and so the feeling grows It's written down the way It's everywhere I go.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from October 19, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's written on the wind, all right.
unidentified		I feel it too, don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's going to be an event.
		And the earthquake really wasn't it.
		There's something that lies ahead.
unidentified		I can feel it in my fingers, my bones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like he says, it's written on the wind.
unidentified		And you can be there.
		I see your face before me as I lay on my bed.
		I can't forget the thinking of all the things you said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of my music of the millennium thing that I'm doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you listen to really the first words of that song.
unidentified		I feel it in my fingers.
		I feel it in my toes.
		Kind of like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, maybe time to have Gordon Michael Scalia back.
		Mount Aetna, I understand, is acting up again now.
		And we've got another hurricane brewing in the Caribbean.
		We have major sun flares going on.
		We have earthquakes aplenty popping.
		And it's just sort of exactly what I expected toward the end of the year here.
		and uh...
unidentified		it's written on the wind.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		It's way out there.
		These groups of extraterrestrials that are unfriendly, many of which are hiding down there at the bottom of the ocean, why don't they want us to know about this?
		We've lost people in wars with UFOs.
		You know, we spend a lot of time honoring our heroes, and we have heroes that we don't know about.
		It's disturbing to that extent because we have a debt to people who've defended us, and we'll never know who they are.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, tomorrow night we are going to do the Secret Society member line.
		That's what I've decided to call it.
		Everybody wanted me to do the Illuminati line.
		I don't think there's enough Illuminati folk out there to fill up a whole night.
		But you got to know, there's a lot of secret societies out there, right?
		Some so secret, we don't even know about them.
		Well, tomorrow night, we will invite the audience on one special line to come and tell us about their secret society.
		Now, I realize some of them may be killed after they do this, but I'll invite it.
		I mean, you know, if they want to tell us about it.
		Maybe you have some second-hand information like your friend Fred, right?
		Who told you about his secret society, and that way you won't get killed.
		Unless, of course, Fred kills you.
		On the international line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello?
		Hello.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon?
		Who's calling from Muskoka?
		Muskoka?
unidentified		Is this our bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		Where is Muskoka?
		Just above Toronto, about two hours north.
		Near Toronto, okay.
unidentified		I'm listening on Talk 640.
		Yes.
		I'd like to know what day you're playing Ghost to Ghost this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to do it Monday next.
unidentified		Monday next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Next Monday, because later in the week I have to make, I'm have to make, I'm going to make a trip to Mackinac Island, and so I'll be gone a little early in the week and therefore late in the week, so I'm going to come on a day early and do it on Monday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it'll be the 26th.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		You're very welcome.
		Yes, I thought and thought and thought about this.
		I can't let the year go without doing it.
		Everybody's driving me crazy about it, so yes, yes, yes, yes.
		Ghost to Ghost next Monday night.
		And it's a very strict show in a lot of ways.
		In other words, it's only you.
		We have no guests.
		And you get to tell your ghost story.
		And boy, we have heard some real winners.
unidentified		Woo-hoo-hoo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I did an extra Ghost to Ghost earlier this year, and it was chilling.
		They always are.
		And the reason is because so many people have stories to tell.
		Now, why would you imagine that would be if there weren't ghosts?
unidentified		There are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey, Art Bell.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		Good.
		My name's Nick.
		I'm calling from Montreal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Montreal?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And I just have information from the little boy in the apartment, the three men and the baby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I remember hearing this story a long time ago, and I've seen the movie a couple times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And what it turned out to be, what I heard later, was it's just a cardboard cutout of Ted Danson.
		Because in the movie, he's an actor.
		And he has, if you look in the movie, you see it quite a few times in that same room.
		it is just a cardboard cutout of Ted Danson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the way they put that frame in, if you saw it, is totally...
unidentified		It's behind the curtains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Totally bizarre.
unidentified		Yeah, it's really unclear.
unidentified		But I remember hearing about university students who did a study on it, and they came to the conclusion that that's what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, very good.
		I appreciate the information, but I don't know if that's what everybody thinks.
		That's what one group of university students thinks.
		That's fine.
		I'm not as convinced.
		I saw it and I thought it was completely eerie.
		But on the other hand, you've got to imagine if you're a movie producer and you want something very controversial that maybe even years later, after a film is out, will cause people to go back to the store and rent it, why not throw in a completely outrageous frame that really has no relationship to anything else in the movie.
		Something that people will speculate about.
		And I mean, I'm sure after talking about it tonight, a lot of you are going to run out and try and find the frame, right?
		West of the Rockies, so it works.
		You're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Carol from Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's everything in Saucator Mendoza?
unidentified		Actually, not too bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
unidentified		I was your last caller about a week and a half ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And I had a question to ask if you would be interested or contemplate implementing into your program your listeners to all put out goodwill, love for the planet and for mankind regarding the Beta ED when you had Betty ED on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And at that time you said it was in the works as we spoke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I'm thoughtful, you know, as you know, about all of this.
		And it may be, dear, and I don't mean to alarm you, that before the end of the year we're going to be forced into doing something like that.
		Maybe into the spring of this coming year, I'm not sure.
		I feel like an event is coming.
unidentified		That they were forced to do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that I would feel compelled to do it by events.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't need to worry you.
unidentified		Well, with what Betty said, that the Armageddon has already started, and the Hopies have said that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		I don't know if they specifically refer to it as Armageddon, but sure.
		The Hopi.
		Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Daniel Brinkley.
		So many that I've had on the program.
		It's really a long, long, laundry list of people who suggest we are in a process now, whatever you want to call it.
		And doing something like that, I think, may well become necessary before the end of the year or at least halfway into the new year.
		That's just my feeling.
		It's written on the wind.
		Listen, I don't know what happened to that poor young lady in Pahump, and I meant to go back to her, but when I did, the line was dead.
		So I don't know what happened.
		But I was very interested to talk to people here in Parump.
		I mean, you just have no idea how serious that earthquake was here.
		Nobody mentioned it.
		It didn't get on the news, but it was absolutely, totally frightening here in Perump.
		Take a look at a map where Perump is versus where the earthquake occurred, and you'll see it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Um, hi.
		This is Josh Wallace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Josh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Um, Elko, Nevada, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, I was just calling about, like, that earthquake thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the earthquake thing.
unidentified		Yeah, I was down in Las Vegas when that happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you were?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a hotel.
unidentified		Yes, I was.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How high up?
unidentified		Uh, second story, because, like, our high school band was on a trip, and, you know, I went down there, and it's pretty creepy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was, I bet, yeah, creepy, right, but imagine being up, like, on 30th or 40th floor of a building.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm sure that would scare me.
		Yeah.
		I just wanted to, like, um, bring up a topic of, like, um, Nostradamus, you know?
		Because didn't he, like, predict that there are going to be three waves before the end of the world or something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three what?
unidentified		Waves.
unidentified		Like, the first wave would be, like, worldwide, like, all kinds of earthquakes and hurricanes and tornadoes and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I believe he did make a prediction of that sort.
		I'm not sure I specifically remember three waves, but he did talk of a period of the kinds of things that we seem to be having right now.
		It's written on the wind.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, good morning, Mark.
		It's Paul in Philadelphia.
		Hi, Paul.
		I'm so glad you survived your earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But believe me, it's indelibly imprinted in my brain forever.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		It's so, you know, I always find when you describe things, I get a real sense of what they were like.
		And when you were describing, you know, things waving through for 45 seconds, that would be a long time.
		It was a long time.
		I wanted to say that these recent scientific stories are so troubling, you know, they're going to dig down into Antarctica and find something, anything, that they could bring out and maybe, you know, maybe it'll harm us and maybe they'll...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not.
		I mean, maybe they'll bring out the cure for cancer, but no doubt they're going to handle this in a level 4 biohazard lab and whatever it is they get.
		But I'm not all that confident that somehow if it's really bad, whatever it is, it'll get out.
unidentified		Yeah, it seems like it might.
		And then, of course, they're going to try to make that supposed mini big bang somewhere.
		So I just feel like I have just about as much faith in big time scientists as well.
		I don't have much faith in them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if the Big Bang created everything that is out to 15 billion years, light years, 15 billion light years, that was the Big Bang.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a mini Big Bang, no, it could be several star systems.
unidentified		I don't know.
		But what I wanted to say is that if they would just create, if I had more faith in scientists and I feel like if they would just do their job right and try to actually cure things and let people have alternative theories without persecuting people that have them, then there would be some level of faith that one could have in them.
		But I actually read a news story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But people with alternative theories are always going to be persecuted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Always.
unidentified		I know, but I want them not to be damned.
		Anyway, I want world discourse.
		That would give me more faith in them, and then they'd be able to defend themselves against things like the young evolutionists that I just read about in the New York Times.
		You know, the young creationists who say it's only a few thousand years old, the Earth, and it's bothering them.
		If they'd allow for a little bit more leeway in the scientific community, then they could cause us to have some faith, and then people would calm down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pretty much so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you were to take a select group from each of the two groups that you just mentioned and lock them in a room together for 24 hours, you'd be hauling dead bodies out on a stretcher.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I hope we all don't all get hauled out on a stretcher while, you know, in that apparent room.
unidentified		Anyway, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, Paul.
unidentified		Me too.
unidentified		Bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Easy to the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		If you and another caller were talking about me a few weeks ago, then you got me confused with someone else because I'm not a sightless person.
		I have good eyesight.
		So I'm using the nickname Niagara Mist when I call from now on.
		So I will no longer be confused with someone else.
		I have two suggestions.
		How about you and I be the ones to coin the name Awakening Decade for the Coming Decade?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Awakening Decade for the Coming Decade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's more optimistic than I might be.
unidentified		Okay, how about the second suggestion?
unidentified		Now, I have some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Second of all, we weren't talking about you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We were talking about somebody in Boston.
unidentified		I am in Boston, east of the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're here in Boston?
unidentified		I'm calling from Boston, but I have eyesight.
unidentified		So when you refer to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is another fellow in Boston who sounds very much like you.
unidentified		Okay, so I'm Niagara Missed when I call.
		Now, the second suggestion, okay, now though I don't have a printed degree in learning how to be a dream technician, I have a psychic degree in inventing how to be a dream technician.
		So if you're concerned about my credentials, if you will have me on as a lucid dream adventurer instead of instructor, very much like the guy with Mali's Ho-O.
		He wasn't required to be an expert, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he wasn't.
unidentified		But, you know, dreaming, that's kind of a different trip.
unidentified		I mean, thank you, but we all dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lucid or otherwise, we all dream.
		And so there are experts in dream technology.
		But I'm not sure that I would make a big show out of somebody who's had a lot of dreams coming on to tell us about their dreams.
		Or that would make a big show.
		But you know me.
		I'll consider anything.
		That's just my off-the-hip reaction.
		Welcome to the Rockies or on the air?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Art, I have information on the earthquake that you felt at the beginning of the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I felt was a little tiny shake.
unidentified		Yeah, it wasn't much.
		I managed to find it on the Pasadena USGS site.
		It has a little lag before the information goes on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
unidentified		But there were two of them.
		When I was looking at my watch, it looked like it was about 10.12 going into 10.13.
		You felt it?
		And there was one at 10.12.04, and there was one at 10.12.54.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, I knew it, I knew it, I knew it.
unidentified		So you could have felt both of them, or you could have felt just the last one.
unidentified		But the first one, 10-12.04, seconds at 40 miles east of Barstow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, so that's not far away from me at all.
unidentified		It's about 117 miles as a crow flies from where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there you are, right.
unidentified		And it's 3.5 miles depth.
		And that was 2.4 magnitude.
		So that was pretty good if you felt that one.
		And the second one, which was about precisely when you said it on the radio, from what I can figure out, was only 1.9 magnitude.
		It was in the 29 Palms Marine Corps Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never should have felt that.
unidentified		But it's always possible if you're real still that you can feel something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's also possible that I'm real paranoid.
unidentified		Yeah, it could be paranoid, but it's the exact second as I can figure it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, I'm telling you, I had my hand on my broadcast table and I definitely felt movement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Period.
unidentified		Yeah, and the odds of it, I mean, the odds of it just being your real paranoia, I doubt it because, like I say, from what I can figure out, the second one was within about five or six seconds of when you said it on the radio, I mean, from what I can figure out looking at my watch, so I think you probably felt a smaller one, which is quite amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't want any more big ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not at all, ever.
unidentified		Not like that.
		And when I used to live in southeastern Alaska, we didn't get very many earthquakes there.
		The other part I did, but in Anchorage we did.
		But in southeastern Alaska, we would get little ones that would be two, two and a half like that.
		And usually you wouldn't even feel it unless you happen to be up in a 10-story building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		No, I know.
		I lived in Anchorage, too.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For three years.
unidentified		But in Anchorage, I felt them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I felt them there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I felt them in Japan, but none of them ever scared me as much as this one.
unidentified		I felt one in Anchorage that was about, I can guesstimate it fairly good because I was bidding about 40 or 50 small ones in Anchorage, enough where you could feel them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		So it got to the point where I could estimate them.
		And it was about five and a half, but it went on for 45 seconds.
		And it was very shallow, so it really felt like an earthquake, and it just went on and on and on.
		And you know, a lot of these real deadlining ones go on for 45 seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I remember always waiting.
		Of course, I was in radio in Anchorage at KENI, which is my affiliate up there now.
		And we always were immediately on the phone to the Palmer Observatory.
		Remember that?
		They'd always tell us what the magnitude was.
unidentified		Yeah, and I used to listen to you back when it was easy to get on.
unidentified		And back when you were mostly political in those days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, I'll tell you what, I'm sure at the end of my rope on that, I look at the coming political race, and I am so uninspired.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, if the show's over, tell everybody, you know.
unidentified		Hey, good night, Karen and Allen in Anchorage, by the way, while I'm saying this.
unidentified		And good night, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way to do it.
		Indeed.
		I'm Art Bell from the high, shaky American Southwest, high desert.

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