Laurie Jacobson joins Art Bell to explore lingering spirits tied to unresolved emotions, like Jay Sebring’s ghostly transition into a "higher-level job" or Lucille Ball’s melancholy during her home’s demolition. They debate trapped souls—whether tied to places (e.g., Ozzie Nelson’s sound stage) or individuals (Kat’s shadowy figures near her infant)—and Jacobson’s Hollywood Haunted book, while callers propose theories like Sharon Tate’s pre-death vision as "trapped energy." Bell links violent deaths and unfinished business to hauntings, referencing the Tibetan Book of the Dead and Huxley’s LSD-assisted transition. Amid earthquakes (Perump, Nevada; 2.4-magnitude tremors near Barstow) and Mount Aetna’s activity, they hint at a looming "end-of-1999" event, blending paranormal warnings with seismic data, suggesting humanity’s spiritual reckoning may mirror physical upheaval. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm going to be doing live radio next Monday night.
Because toward the end of the week, I'll be taking off for the Grand Hotel in Mackinac on Mackinac Island, Michigan.
So I'm going to work an extra day on Monday, and we're going to do a ghost-to-ghost show Monday next.
You're going to want to be here for that.
They're classic.
They're always classic.
And they're always scary.
And they're very real.
And the reason they're very real, and the reason they reach out and touch you and grab you and twist you is because there are ghosts out there.
That's what we're going to be talking about tonight.
Anyway, I wanted to let you know, Ghost to Ghost next Monday night.
Nothing but ghost stories and from all of you at that.
In fact, in the next couple of days, I'm going to be devoting a large amount of time to Open Lines, just because I kind of feel like it.
And then next week, we're going to have kind of an interesting lineup.
As I said, Ghost to Ghost on Monday night.
And that'll be followed on Tuesday by Uri Geller.
We've never had Uri Geller on the show before.
Looking forward to that.
And then Wednesday night, Thursday next week, we're going to have Stuart Wilde on.
And we've been setting this one up for a long time.
Stuart Wilde authored a book by the same name, the book I authored, called The Quickening.
And his was, of course, prior to mine.
But I think you'll be very interested in Stuart Wilde.
So all of that is going on and a lot more.
This week, there's no telling what's going to happen.
I may book a guest in the next couple of days.
I may not book any guests at all.
It just kind of depends on how the mood strikes right now.
I haven't booked any guests yet.
Sometimes you feel like a guest, sometimes you don't.
Tonight I do.
Tonight I feel like Laurie Jacobson.
And we're going to be talking about the ghosts of Hollywood.
Otherwise, as you probably heard last hour, if you heard last hour, we had a hell of an earthquake here.
I mean, we just really rocked here.
It was a frightening earthquake, a big earthquake.
And if you look at where I'm located on the map in Peruvian, Nevada, you will see why it was as strongly felt here as it was.
My wife and I, Ramona and myself, were both awake at 2.46 in the morning.
And the earthquake began, which as you know was centered in the desert not far from me.
Actually, the story about which fault line and which quake and whether it was an aftershock, which I thought was silly or whatever, it's all changing.
We're going to get the latest from Jim Birkeland here in a moment.
But the earthquake began, and I thought two things during the earthquake.
One, I wondered if we were going to survive it.
It was so bad here where I am, and it's a small community, relatively, Perump, Nevada.
You'll find it on the map, about 65 miles west of Las Vegas.
And things were going back and forth so severely.
It was like ocean waves, absolutely like ocean waves, rippling.
And if I'd been outside, you could have seen the ground moving in waves.
It was horrible.
It went on for about, I estimated, 40 seconds.
I came on the air at 3.10, 3.10 a.m. and interrupted my own replay and gave the report, which turned out to be accurate.
I said I believe it was a 7 or a 7.1 and I gave the location, or the rough location.
But again, going back to the moment or the seconds or the almost one minute of the earthquake, I thought two things.
One, first, am I going to survive this?
It appears to be getting worse and it's not stopping.
My wife and I just went into the other room in the bathroom trying to get away.
I've got a 100-foot tower up here.
You know, you don't want 3,000 pounds of steel coming down on your head.
And so I thought, are we going to survive it?
And we just hugged.
Went into the other room and just hugged and rode it out.
And then I had a second thought during the earthquake.
And it was, if this earthquake is coming from a great distance, like Los Angeles, for example, then a lot of people are dying right now.
And Los Angeles is virtually disintegrating now.
Those were my two thoughts.
One, first, would we survive it ourselves, not knowing where it was?
And secondly, could it be the big one?
and if it is the big one and if it is in Los Angeles it's the end of a lot of people and it scared the New hurricane.
Hurricane Jose is headed, unfortunately, for the French Island of Martinique in the Caribbean.
It'll pass there overnight.
Stockpiling water and food is going on right now.
They're on alert in Puerto Rico, where it could strike by Thursday.
Forecasters are saying they don't know yet whether this hurricane might threaten the U.S. East Coast.
The way things have been going recently, I certainly would think there's a strong possibility that it would impact the East Coast.
So I guess you don't have to get ready officially yet, but I'd be thinking real hard about it if I were you.
And congratulations, Atlanta.
My God, what a game that was tonight.
I don't know whether you saw it or not, but Atlanta, of course, is going to the World Series.
And it was done on a bases-loaded walk in extra innings.
And the score was 10-9.
And it really was quite a game.
So congratulations, Atlanta.
The World Series between Atlanta and New York really ought to be something to behold.
And so I guess we all get to behold it next week.
All right, coming up in a moment, Lori Jacobson.
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Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
Do you believe it's there?
Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like giant players of chess.
But it isn't.
We don't have the government anymore.
What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
But we have no representation in that government.
So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
What we're going to be talking about tonight are ghosts, most specifically Hollywood ghosts.
Ghosts, I guess, that you would know would be a good way to put it.
Aside from those in the immediate family or a stranger, we're going to be talking about ghosts in Hollywood because that's the research that Lori Jacobson has done.
Actually, she's done a lot more than that, but she's concentrated basically, I think, on what has occurred in Hollywood.
And it's funny, you might expect somehow that if hauntings are real and ghosts are real, and I believe them to be, that Hollywood would be filled with them.
But isn't there a possibility that really what they have is eternal hell?
I mean, we'll get deeply into this, I'm sure, but to have your spirit trapped in some horrid little repetitive thing here on earth, as we know some ghosts seem to be, would seem more like hell than anything else to me.
This should give them a small hint if they maintain the same kind of consciousness after death that we imagine.
In other words, if we still realize self after death, if we survive that with our consciousness in some sort of tact, then they have to eventually know they're dead.
That sounds like somebody from Hollywood, all right.
The higher level gigs.
Yeah, but then, so then there is a place, or there is, I don't know what you call it, a place, there is a place, for lack of a better word, where ultimately you do reside after you have, in effect graduated uh...
this life I saw a recent mysteries and scandals on the channel about the tape murders tape lobby on the murders and Sharon Tate was begging not to be killed and was killed in the most gruesome way you can imagine when she was pregnant and of course as we all know and I would have imagined if anybody would have been chained to the earth or unable to properly proceed at a
time when you're looking forward to birth and renewal and you're pregnant and you're so happy to be pregnant and you're murdered in such a horrible way what can that that must have a traumatic horrible effect on your spirit on your soul yes and I would imagine that she'll she probably lingered earthbound for some
some time confused and upset and wondering exactly which direction to go but you know there was a I'm sure there was a a spirit of her child too so she was that's a whole separate topic a spirit of her child you're right hold on we'll be right back we're gonna break here at the bottom of the hour Lornie Jacobson author of Hollywood Haunted is my guest What do you think?
Is that a real place folks?
A very real place when you graduate first time or last time that you go to or your dream?
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
What does I make foolish people do?
I never dreamed that I'd need somebody like you.
I never dreamed that I'd knew somebody like you.
No, I don't wanna fall in love with you.
No, I...
In the end, I'll hear in the treatment of the ocean look at that bird.
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She is a Canadian singer and probably the best, along with Gordon Lightfoot.
I interviewed Gordon here not long ago.
But Lorena McKinnett is very special to me, and her music is very special to me.
And I was actually talking to Gordon Lightfoot a couple of weeks ago, and I mentioned Lorena McKinnon, and he said, well, you know, she kind of dropped out.
She was there, and then she was gone.
And I reflected on that a little bit, and I said, you know, you're right.
We haven't heard much from Lorena McKennett lately.
And I got a facts from her office today, which is kind of interesting and tragic, and I had no idea.
Canadian singer Lorena McKennett, whose songs have helped popularize Celtic music, is donating the proceeds of her new album to a fund to promote water safety following the drowning of her fiancée last year.
McKennett's double CD, Live in Paris and Toronto, was originally available only by mail from her Aquinland Road company, but now it's going to be released commercially next month.
So we've all got some more Lorena McKennett to look forward to.
And again, it's a double CD called Live in Paris and Toronto, which is, I guess, what she does.
Not a bad life all in all.
And that's the news on Lorena McKennett.
And I had no idea.
She lost her fiancé in a drowning accident.
And that is the thing of which ghosts are made.
And her music, when you listen to it, has that kind of flair to it.
I don't know exactly.
Sort of urethral, sort of at times haunting, at times Egyptian, Celtic.
That's Lorena McKennett.
And that's why we haven't heard from Lorena McKennett for a while.
One other sad announcement for you.
Radio broadcasting legend Gene Shepard, a ham operator, K2ORS, died October 16th.
He was 78.
News reports say he died in a hospital near his home in Florida.
One of the original radio talkers, Shepard gained a loyal following of overnight listeners during his more than two-decade tenure at the powerful WOR in New York, my competition in New York City in the 1950s and 60s and early 70s.
Gene Shepard dead at 78.
I'm so sorry to hear that.
As a matter of fact, speaking of New York, as I always do, I try to follow, I try as best I can to follow the ratings now that we're on so many radio stations across the country.
But the ratings for New York just came out today, and once again, this program, number one in New York City, number one in New York City.
This is the big apple.
As a matter of fact, the numbers actually went up.
So that was really good news.
But reflecting on a, not really a competitor, a competitor station and somebody who was there for a very long time doing essentially the kind of thing that I do, if not the specific topic material, certainly the same time of night.
Dead at 78.
I'll be lucky to make it to that far myself.
All right, we're going to get back to Laurie Jacobson in just a moment.
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Do you think, Lori, that the people who don't believe in reincarnation, the people who don't believe in God, the devil, afterlife, or anything else, they just believe it's the big black veil descending, nothing, that they get what they believe in?
I was going to say, what about the children that hadn't, and we were beginning to touch on them, hadn't even experienced life yet, the ones who haven't even talked yet.
Boy, imagine what the prior life of that child must have been like to be choosing Sharon Tate.
Anyway, Hollywood, for some reason, appears to be just filled with ghosts, and some obviously ones that we all know of, like Lucille Ball, for example.
And I watched Lucy, I love Lucy, for years and years and years.
She, toward the end of the program, said, I've ensured that my child, my son, is going to hell with me.
She took steps to ensure her son would go to hell with her.
I mean, this was one scary lady.
And we were doing a reflective program on this a short while later.
And at the exact moment that I began talking about it, like I'm talking about it right now, I've got a webcam that for years now has been sitting here snapping photographs of me every minute.
It will snap one photograph and it goes up to the website.
All of a sudden, there's a shot on the website that you flat wouldn't believe.
And my photograph, my ghost photograph, is on the web right now.
We'll tell you all about it.
What about endless lonely days and nights without your woman?
That might cause your spirit to twist a time or two, huh?
Good morning.
It's great to be here.
We've got a lot to do.
Laurie Jacobson is here, and as promised, Keith, of course, is very quick on the switch.
And in addition to the ghost photographs that Laurie Jacobson has provided, which you can see on my website now, just go to www.artell.com and scroll down to the name Laurie Jacobson, and you will see, among others, the photograph of this spirit or whatever it is depressing on a cat.
But you will also see a photograph, actually a couple of them, of me taken, let's see.
It was 126.21 in the morning, 012621, which is an interesting time by itself.
It reads the same, going both ways.
012621.
126.21.
And if you read it backwards, it's 126.21.
It was taken on the 12th of December of 97.
And Lori asked, she did see it during the break, and she asked me an obvious question, were you smoking?
Well, actually, I smoke a lot, and I was not at that moment smoking, but it doesn't matter.
You've got to remember that I've been taking these photographs, one every minute, or 45 seconds more likely, for years now.
Years.
So that probably goes to hundreds of thousands of photographs.
And there has never been another one like this taken of me while I'm sitting here smoking.
So that one doesn't work.
Nothing even close.
Nothing even vaguely close.
Nothing.
And so take a good look at it.
It's one of the links under Lori's name.
And you'll get, and people said, well, you've got white hair.
And so we had to actually put another photograph up to prove to people that I don't have white hair.
I mean, clearly, toward the front part of my head, the frontal lobe area, you will see something gathered about me.
There's no question about it.
So take a look at that.
See what you think.
At that very instant, I was talking with a guest about a harlot, the Satan worshiper, and about her son, who she was going to take to hell with her, she said, and she had insured it, she said.
And at that very instant, his photograph was snapped and got saved.
And it has never ever been explained, nor is it now explained.
So you will see that under the links with the pictures that Laurie Jacobson has provided for tonight's show.
Laurie Jacobson, by the way, is a friend and worked with Dr. Barry Taff.
And I know that you all remember, or you should, Dr. Barry Taff, who worked on some very special stuff that Laurie will tell you about.
Anyway, we will continue with all of this in a moment, but for those of you that had never seen that 1997 picture, it definitely, definitely is one to puzzle about.
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It's way out there.
These groups of extraterrestrials that are unfriendly, many of which are hiding down there at the bottom of the ocean, why don't they want us to know about this?
We've lost people in wars with UFOs.
You know, we spend a lot of time honoring our heroes, and we have heroes that we don't know about.
It's disturbing to that extent because we have a debt to people who've defended us, and we'll never know who they are.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
We did the whole night, and we talked about Satanism and all the rest of it.
And we were toward the end of the interview, and she was talking about taking her son to hell with her.
And it stopped me in my tracks.
It stopped me cold.
She said, I have taken steps to see to it that he will be in hell with me.
And it just stopped me in my tracks.
I didn't know what to say.
I didn't know what to do.
It was one of those moments in, you know, in talk radio when you just get stopped.
And I got stopped.
And that was that moment.
So, you know, whatever that is, it's real and it's something.
I personally don't know if it's some guiding spirit or protective spirit for me or if my brain was just freaking out and producing something the camera caught.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But after looking at your photographs, I thought I would offer this one up for you and everybody else to look at back in 97.
So why is it, Lori, that some manifestations like this one that you're seeing, or the ones you brought forth and offered, can be caught by camera, a camera, sometimes not seen by the human eye, but caught by a camera.
You know, as I reflect on it, I have no mirror here.
I have no way of knowing whether had I been able to actually see my head, I would have seen that or not, whether it would have been visible to me or not, but yet the camera caught it.
I have an extremely well-to-do friend named Bob Bigelow, Robert Bigelow in Las Vegas.
And he purchased a ranch at a place we don't disclose here on the air where all kinds of really weird things have been going on and had been going on for years.
And because Bob has the means and the ability, he just literally went and purchased the ranch and set up cameras and all kinds of sophisticated recording equipment and all the rest of it to try and figure out what was going on on the ranch.
During one incident, somebody looking through a night vision, a third generation night vision piece of equipment actually saw a kind of a, in mid-air, saw a hole or a kind of a,
let's see, how to describe it, a hole for him, I guess, literally in mid-air and saw something come through it and saw the hole close back up again.
The Roosevelt Hotel in Hollywood, one room that was the original library in the hotel seems to be the entryway for the spirits that pass through.
It's where they come through and go then throughout the rest of the hotel.
And I have heard of people using Ouija boards and trying to make contact with something and literally opening a hole, like by making the contact day after day.
And I have been told you shouldn't do that because you don't know what will come through that hole.
And I found him, and we just got along right away, and he agreed to come out to many of these locations with me.
He was really fascinated.
He also got to see a side of old Hollywood that he wasn't privy to, going into some of the old studios and some wonderful old homes and nightclubs and restaurants and theaters and places he had not ever been before.
We walked into the Hollywood Palace.
It's a nightclub now.
And he was so excited to be there, had never been there, was no sooner in the place when he grabbed my arm and said, I can't breathe.
I mean, you can imagine damage, but you can't imagine damage when you can actually go back to when the damage occurred and watch a camera that had a close-up look of where it should be occurring, and it's not caught by camera, the exact opposite.
You know, this damage is actually in real life done.
Tremendous.
I mean, it would have taken one person probably an hour, you know, to climb this thing and to do all this damage.
And the other camera was focused right on it and never saw a thing happen.
That's kind of the opposite of what we were talking about a little while ago.
So I learned in my research that even though I tried to explain away having been afraid of him, I learned that you really need to go with your first instinct.
And I sensed I invaded somebody's space and they were angry about it.
And, you know, you don't just arbitrarily pick a spot to kill yourself in a public place.
And Sybil went into a trance and channeled Clifton.
And the friends, who were like Ruth Gordon and, you know, amazing people, said that only Clifton would have known the things that came out of Sybil Leake's mouth as Clifton.
And one of the things she said as Clifton was that he was terribly sad that he didn't think people remembered him after all his work.
Yeah, and that was one of the reasons he was sticking around.
And then there are others who are, you know, real workaholics, like Ozzie Nelson was a real workaholic.
He still haunts the sound stage where they shot Ozzie and Harriet.
And he has for a very long time haunted their old home.
And besides the usual ghostly goings-on, and by that I mean lights and faucets turning on and off, doors opening and closing, besides that, Ozzy has kind of gotten very cozy with the women who have moved in the house.
In the middle of the night, they feel someone pulling back the covers of their bed, someone nuzzling at their neck.
You know who believed that, all Jewish Huxley, the great writer, when he knew it was his last day on earth, he had a long, lingering death from cancer.
And apparently, the night before you die, you have this incredibly claustrophobic night, and you wake up and you know, this is it.
My spirit can't stay in this sick body any longer.
And he could no longer speak, and he wrote a note to his wife that he wanted to be injected with 100 cc's of pure LSD, which she did.
Yeah, and then later on she gave him more, and then she laid down next to him and sort of talked him away.
You have no regrets.
It's easy to let go.
And she said his breathing just got less and less, and he just sort of floated away.
And he believed in the Tibetan book of the dead, which says the way you exit this world has a very direct effect on how you enter the next.
After all the things he'd written, when someone asked him his advice, what advice would he leave the earth with, he said, I wish we would all be a little kinder to one another.
Well, I was told by my own wife long ago, and I've said this many times on the radio, that when we first got together, I said to her, you know, if I was fatally ill and I was in great pain, I would think it might be appropriate to go out the easy way, take some pills, whatever, you know, not suffer through some horrible, twitching, terrible death.
And she said, oh, no.
She said, oh, no.
You're supposed to go through that.
You have to go through that.
And if you don't go through that, if you take the short, easy way out, then you're going to have to live it again.
Or you're going to have to live it out or karma or whatever you want to call it.
You know, the words people use for this kind of thing.
It will be worked out eventually, if not now later.
By the way, hearkening back to that photograph that's up on the web right now that I had you look at, I interviewed while he was alive a truly great man named Father Malachi Martin.
And I interviewed him many times.
And after I interviewed this young lady who so deserved me, named Harlotte, I went to Father Martin, and here on the air, I did it on the air, and I said, Father, it just couldn't be true.
In other words, how could a mother, a mother couldn't possibly take her son to hell with her?
And there was this long pause, and Father Martin said, I'm sorry, Art, but she could.
He was a Catholic priest who was advisor to a couple of popes and very high up in the Catholic Church, a critic of it at some levels.
But he said, make no mistake, she absolutely could have done that.
Taken her son, an innocent soul from my point of view, to hell with her.
And here was a highly placed Catholic priest telling me, indeed, she could have done that.
So if you have a question about Hollywood and ghosts or just ghosts, she's your lady.
Lori Jacobson.
and the phone's coming up shortly.
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Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
Do you believe it's there?
Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
But it isn't.
We don't have the government anymore.
What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
But we have no representation in that government.
So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
But then my question for Lori is, I had a couple of experiences when I was living in Southern California, and I completely believe in everything you're talking about.
But it was right after I had my son.
He's almost 13 now, and I guess he was about four months old at the time.
And I always had him sleep with me.
And I got up in the night with him, you know, new mom, and was lying there in bed, hadn't fallen back to sleep yet, and had this experience of these little creatures coming around me, like little dark, shadowy figures.
And it frightened me.
It didn't frighten me for my son, but it scared me for me.
And I screamed, and they just like dispersed.
And so there was a period of time where I was scared to go to sleep, got over it, and about two years later, the exact same thing happened in a different apartment.
And now he was two years old at this time.
And I just want to know what your comment is on some kind of experience like that.
Because most people think I'm nuts when I talk about it.
The entity case was an example of that, where she actually moved states away and it continued to go with her.
You know, like I said, ghosts were humans.
You know, they attached themselves to houses, to favorite rocking chairs, to it's why even the ancient Egyptians said you're not supposed to remove anything from this tomb.
I mean, we hear lots and lots of stories about graveyards, don't we?
graveyards as places of haunting which would indicate to me that the spirit is unable to divest itself of the body or the other way around I guess you know I've heard of spirits being seen occasionally near their graves but How about morgues?
And I have a theory, and then I have a question for Lori.
And my theory is, Laurie, do you think it is possible that ghosts, spirits, and hauntings may be recordings like basically the universe around us, when we experience an incredible amount of emotion, physics teaches us that energy doesn't disappear.
We can send energy out into the universe, and it can change forms, but it doesn't disappear.
Do you think it is conceivable that in the case of some of these more horrible violent deaths, you know, the amount of energy, not just physical, but the mind, the spirit, the amount of trauma that some of these unfortunate individuals experienced prior to being killed, do you think that is what is just hanging around, that emotional energy?
And perhaps gifted psychics and mediums can tune into energy that is around us all the time.
There are spirits who interact with people who are living.
They see them.
They respond to them.
And then there are spirits that people see that seem to be repeating an endless tape loop, the same activity over and over again.
And often it is reliving a violent end.
And I agree with you.
I think that is trapped energy more than a ghost.
And in some cases, I mean, on how many levels, okay, art will love this, on how many levels do we exist?
In the case of Sharon Tate, the incredible, violent nature of her death, I think, was out there so far in advance that two years prior to her death, she saw an apparition that was her death.
She didn't recognize, she knew it was a dead person.
I don't believe she recognized it as herself.
But two years before this happened to her, so maybe it had happened on another plane some other time.
unidentified
Thank you.
And my other question is, is the Doheny Mansion haunted?
I was at a shoot there a couple weeks ago and a number of us were running around the rooms upstairs in the middle of the day.
Whenever people go to locations, Lori, to do movies, many movies about polericed or just strange subjects, how about biographies, about actors who are dead 60 years or so.
Has there ever been a story that's good enough to tell about a haunting on a Saturday?
And they built this soundstage, Stage 28, especially for him to do The Phantom of the Opera.
The Paris Opera House sets were so enormous they had to build a special soundstage for it.
And to this day, the Opera House sets are still stored in there, and lights go on and off, doors open and close, things move, and people see a caped figure running along the catwalk.
Somehow, I forget the story or how it happened, but one frame, one frame in that movie really is there, and you can find that frame of that child looking out the window.
You can find that.
There's no question about it.
You can actually find it in the movie.
You can go rent the movie.
If you have a very good VCR and you can go frame by frame, you can find that.
It'll give you the chills, but I'm not sure you want to, but you can.
We've got Lori Jacobson more directly ahead with your phone calls as we talk about ghosts.
Her book is Hollywood Haunted.
It's one you're going to want, and the new version is out, and you can get an autographed copy, and I'll go over that number one more time.
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Music All right, once again, going back to Lori Jacobson, and you can get an autographed copy of Hollywood Haunted.
Just about to hit the store shelves ahead of time.
Autographed yet.
Back now to Lori, and there was a gentleman with us, sir.
You're back on the air again.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
This was regarding the Variety Arts Center in downtown Los Angeles.
It's a building of past entertainers, vaudeville and all, and some of the old-timers that would come back and do their acts for people who want to enjoy them once again.
So a friend of mine was 16 at the time, and his parents were in the entertainment business, so he happened to stop into the club or whatever, the little restaurant area there.
He had a little bar on a particular floor, upper floor, got himself a soda, a few snacks, and said, I'm going to go to the restroom.
Which way is it?
Well, the bartender directed him down the hall on this particular floor.
And as he's walking down the hall, he says, oh, are they reconstructing something there?
Because it's kind of noisy at the end of the hall.
And the bartender says, oh, you hear that, huh?
And he says, well, yeah.
He says, well, you know, there used to be stairs that went to another room on another floor.
They're not there anymore.
But that's where they used to be.
So he says, oh, okay, well, I'm looking for the restroom.
And the guy says, well, it's on this side of the hall.
So he went to the restroom to wash his hands off from the snacks he was chewing on and all that.
And he looks in the mirror, and he sees a woman behind him.
Just then the stall door of one of the stalls there just slammed shut.
And he looked up again.
The woman wasn't there.
He immediately just left the faucet running and got out of there.
Went up to the bartender, said, where's that woman?
Who is she?
The bartender says, oh, you saw her too, huh?
And he says, yeah.
He says, well, that's a ghost that seems to wander the building.
And she particularly likes people with blue eyes.
Well, my friend did have blue eyes, and that's how he was able to see her.
But she did pay a visit, and that's another site in Los Angeles.
I don't know if your guest mentioned in her book.
That and maybe the world-famous comedy store ghost as well.
Marilyn, you know, Marilyn was a true child of Hollywood, and she loved to stay at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel.
And she stayed there so often.
She had a beautiful, full-length antique mirror installed in her favorite suite.
When she died, they took the mirror out.
They stored it downstairs.
It stayed there for 25 years.
Its history was forgotten.
The hotel underwent a major renovation in the mid-80s.
They found the mirror.
They thought it was pretty.
They installed it in the lower lobby.
And on the night of the grand reopening, a cocktail waitress was walking by the mirror and she decided to polish it.
She's cleaning it.
She sees a blonde woman in the mirror.
She turns around.
There's no one there.
She turns back to the mirror.
The image is still there.
And when she looks closely at it, it's Marilyn Monroe looking in the mirror, primping with her makeup, fixing her hair, as she must have done hundreds of times before.
She got a very warm, happy feeling from the image that she saw.
Now, is that a ghost, or is that, as your previous caller said, a trapped energy?
Now these photos went up on the website earlier in the day and I got several photographs who said they thought that emails about the photographs which said that they thought it was somehow thought it was your house, Lori.
And they said, why don't you tell this woman when you get around the air tonight, clean up her damn house?
Well, speaking still of the photos, is there in the photo where there's actually it looks like a daylight photograph of the religious calendar, is there a woman sitting under that in that photo?
I don't think that she's had an opportunity to see it, so go ahead.
unidentified
But outside of that, I'm not looking inside the red circle, but outside of that on your desk where your ham equipment is, it looks like a little alien face.
Sounds kind of crazy, but if you just look at it, and then when you see that, then look back above your forehead area where he's got that drawn in there where that looks like ectoplasm, it looks like the same kind of species.
And I think, Laurie, that I've determined over the years that dealing with this kind of material and talking about these kinds of things brings them on.
I mean, Dr. Taft, for example, when I talked to him about the entity case, I questioned him very closely, and he's very careful about what he says with regard to what he believes about that.
For example, I asked him, is it not possible, Doctor, that she brought it on herself, that this was actually a manifestation of her own brain?
And that, you know, that energy, you know, can draw negative things to you.
Many of the people who allowed me into their homes with Barry and with psychics said that after we left, the spirits in their house kicked up a big fuss And they wouldn't let us back.
Well, again, I believe, and I really do, that dealing with this kind of stuff brings it on, and it begs the question of whether the investigator, even some investigators like yourself, are more likely to see or have an experience with what we regard as an entity of some kind, a ghost, if you will, and it's because we deal with this material.
We're open to it.
It's like using a Ouija board and opening the door.
Well, you know, as many times as I went out and I was told that I was in the presence of a spirit, and as, you know, the psychics could, and Bar, they could outline exactly where they felt this energy.
I couldn't see or feel anything, and I so wanted to, and I believed, but, you know, as one of the psychics said, I just wasn't tuned into the right frequency.
I think it was at the part after the witch appears and she's throwing the fireballs at Dorothy and the scarecrow and the lion and tin man.
And then as they go and skip down the yellow brick road, in the distance where you would imagine that it would be like a painted backdrop, you see some activity.
And it almost looks like a person climbing up on a ladder and jumping off the ladder and they hang themselves.
I wondered if there's any correlation between the ghosts and apparitions that some people see or hear and whether or not the tracing of the person's ancestry shows any designation of their spirituality.
In other words, have there been any records to show whether or not a ghost was of a spiritual nature or of any particular faith?
i'm not sure i like that in other words in unless you go with the echo or endless Yeah, if it's not an echo, then I'm troubled greatly by it because if monks are stuck here for some reason and nuns, then, you know, I'm definitely stuck here.
One way to think about it.
Laurie, you've been a real pleasure to have on the air.
And again, I want to plug your book for you.
It's called Hollywood Haunted, and people can get it at amazon.com or really cool is an autographed copy.
You know, there are certain songs that just sort of reach through the years and grab at you the way they did then.
This is one of them.
Remember it?
Temptation Eyes?
Grassroots.
Actually, in an earlier incarnation in my lifetime, they introduced the Grassroots on stage, along with some other rock groups.
That was another lifetime ago.
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Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
Do you believe it's there?
Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
But it isn't.
We don't have the government anymore.
What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies, but we have no representation in that government.
So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 19, 1999.
All right, we're going into Open Lines, which means you can talk about anything you want to talk about.
And we are going to kind of play it by ear all week.
I may or may not schedule a guest for the rest of the week.
Maybe I'll do Open Lines.
You know, people keep wanting me to do this Illuminati line, but I thought it might be fun to open a special line for Secret Society members.
Now, you know, if we just did Illuminati, I don't think we'd get enough.
But if we open a line for secret society members, people with knowledge that is said to have been passed down over generation after generation after generation, to probably a time when we cannot even recall the genesis of it all.
If we were to open a line for secret societies, which I have never done, it might be kind of fun.
So maybe we'll do an open line night and combine it with a special secret society line.
Always, I will always have Ed Danes on again soon, so look forward to it.
Of course, yes.
Yes, any time with Ed.
And especially now toward the end of the year.
And especially since, uncomfortably, quite a number of his predictions really have begun to manifest themselves.
A lot of people either love or hate Ed Dames, but he's had a lot of hits.
He's really had a lot of hits.
If you look at Ed Dames' predictions, as you would look at the quatrains of Nostradamus, then you would have to conclude that things like the encephalitis outbreak in New York might have some relationship to a prediction made by Ed Dames.
They weren't in search of extraterrestrial organisms, although you might as well think of it that way.
What they were in search of was to core down and get organisms that lived on Earth as much as 30 to 40 million years ago.
Now, that's almost like getting extraterrestrial organisms, or really might be for all we know.
But either way, you've got to figure.
It could be really deadly for us.
unidentified
Well, that's what makes this Lovecraft story so intriguing, because in 1931 he published a story called At the Mountains of Madness.
And it deals with a group of scientists who travel to Antarctica to drill for core samples.
In the process of doing so, they discover a cave that's been sealed for tens of millions of years, and in it they find these large organisms that they've never seen before.
They take, you know, a small group of scientists take some of these organisms back to the base camp to examine them.
A blizzard moves in, they're cut off from communication, a rescue party is sent out, they find the camp deserted, these organisms have disappeared.
And it's later discovered that these are actually were survivors of a race of intelligent aliens which presumably migrated to Earth 20, 30 million years ago when Antarctica had a warm climate.
And it's strange how sometimes fact and fiction seem to interrelate with each other.
It was, you know, what was happening to Carl toward the end was really remarkable.
All his professional career, he really laid this kind of thing to waste.
I mean, he really went after this sort of thing and just pooed it, you know.
But then toward the end, he began to change in his views about what might be out there and what might be down here.
unidentified
really strange toward toward the end of his life he really began to modify his views and say things that The interesting thing, excuse me, about Dr. Sagan is that at the beginning of his career, he made his reputation as sort of one of the angry young men of science.
Back in 1963, he co-wrote a book with a Russian astronomer named Aya Shlovsky.
And in this book, he commented that astronomical observations of the Martian moon Phobos seemed to indicate that it was not a natural object.
So Dr. Sagan did go from one extreme to the other.
But toward the end, he really said what was on his mind.
That's not such a surprise.
I mean, if you work for the USGS right now, for example, you probably have to take the official position that people who predict earthquakes are, you know, relaxed, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Right?
Or maybe something slightly lesser.
Maybe you chuckle or you do whatever you do if you work for the USGS, if that's where your check is signed every week or two weeks or however often USGS people get paid.
But after you retire, frequently you begin expressing a very different sort of opinion about that kind of phenomenon.
It's hard for me to imagine the earth would move beneath our feet in that kind of a violent fashion for that long without some wires and poles going down.
Wasn't there a loud explosion like a day or two before where they thought something had blown up and then they decided it was some sort of a sonic boom?
All right, well, thank you for calling, and take care of y'all.
I'm telling you, you scared the hell out of me.
I really thought the first flash was, we're not going to live through this, you know, a little ways into it.
As it gets heavier and heavier and heavier, and things are really swinging and the house is really moving all over the place, and you can actually feel the waves pushing the house around.
You can hear it creaking, and you can see, you can almost like a horror movie where you can see the floor in waves.
These groups of extraterrestrials that are unfriendly, many of which are hiding down there at the bottom of the ocean, why don't they want us to know about this?
We've lost people in wars with UFOs.
You know, we spend a lot of time honoring our heroes, and we have heroes that we don't know about.
It's disturbing to that extent because we have a debt to people who've defended us, and we'll never know who they are.
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Next Monday, because later in the week I have to make, I'm have to make, I'm going to make a trip to Mackinac Island, and so I'll be gone a little early in the week and therefore late in the week, so I'm going to come on a day early and do it on Monday.
I appreciate the information, but I don't know if that's what everybody thinks.
That's what one group of university students thinks.
That's fine.
I'm not as convinced.
I saw it and I thought it was completely eerie.
But on the other hand, you've got to imagine if you're a movie producer and you want something very controversial that maybe even years later, after a film is out, will cause people to go back to the store and rent it, why not throw in a completely outrageous frame that really has no relationship to anything else in the movie.
Something that people will speculate about.
And I mean, I'm sure after talking about it tonight, a lot of you are going to run out and try and find the frame, right?
And I had a question to ask if you would be interested or contemplate implementing into your program your listeners to all put out goodwill, love for the planet and for mankind regarding the Beta ED when you had Betty ED on.
But believe me, it's indelibly imprinted in my brain forever.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
It's so, you know, I always find when you describe things, I get a real sense of what they were like.
And when you were describing, you know, things waving through for 45 seconds, that would be a long time.
It was a long time.
I wanted to say that these recent scientific stories are so troubling, you know, they're going to dig down into Antarctica and find something, anything, that they could bring out and maybe, you know, maybe it'll harm us and maybe they'll...
I mean, if the Big Bang created everything that is out to 15 billion years, light years, 15 billion light years, that was the Big Bang.
So a mini Big Bang, no, it could be several star systems.
unidentified
I don't know.
But what I wanted to say is that if they would just create, if I had more faith in scientists and I feel like if they would just do their job right and try to actually cure things and let people have alternative theories without persecuting people that have them, then there would be some level of faith that one could have in them.
But people with alternative theories are always going to be persecuted.
Always.
unidentified
I know, but I want them not to be damned.
Anyway, I want world discourse.
That would give me more faith in them, and then they'd be able to defend themselves against things like the young evolutionists that I just read about in the New York Times.
You know, the young creationists who say it's only a few thousand years old, the Earth, and it's bothering them.
If they'd allow for a little bit more leeway in the scientific community, then they could cause us to have some faith, and then people would calm down.
If you were to take a select group from each of the two groups that you just mentioned and lock them in a room together for 24 hours, you'd be hauling dead bodies out on a stretcher.
unidentified
Yeah, well, I hope we all don't all get hauled out on a stretcher while, you know, in that apparent room.
There is another fellow in Boston who sounds very much like you.
unidentified
Okay, so I'm Niagara Missed when I call.
Now, the second suggestion, okay, now though I don't have a printed degree in learning how to be a dream technician, I have a psychic degree in inventing how to be a dream technician.
So if you're concerned about my credentials, if you will have me on as a lucid dream adventurer instead of instructor, very much like the guy with Mali's Ho-O.
I know, I'm telling you, I had my hand on my broadcast table and I definitely felt movement.
Period.
unidentified
Yeah, and the odds of it, I mean, the odds of it just being your real paranoia, I doubt it because, like I say, from what I can figure out, the second one was within about five or six seconds of when you said it on the radio, I mean, from what I can figure out looking at my watch, so I think you probably felt a smaller one, which is quite amazing.
I felt them in Japan, but none of them ever scared me as much as this one.
unidentified
I felt one in Anchorage that was about, I can guesstimate it fairly good because I was bidding about 40 or 50 small ones in Anchorage, enough where you could feel them.