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Oct. 7, 1999 - Art Bell
02:56:37
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Stan and Holly Deyo - Preparedness. Colm Kelleher - NIDS Hotline Reports
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From the high desert and the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening, or
good morning, as the case may be across all these many prolific time zones, stretching
from in the west, the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands.
With hula skirts dancing.
Beautiful women to the east in the Caribbean in the same vision near St.
Thomas in the islands.
Then down south into South America, north all the way to the pole where they definitely don't wear grass skirts.
And worldwide on the internet where You'll find all kinds of garb.
This is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell.
And by the way, that worldwide on the internet card is thanks to Broadcast.com for the distribution worldwide, and of course, the Intel Corporation for their amazing G2 codec that allows... Well, you can go up to my website if you have a computer.
Well, it's still working before January 1st, right?
Download the G2 program.
It's there for free, free, free, free.
Insert into thy computer.
Come back up to my website.
On the left-hand side, you'll see Streaming Video.
And there, behold, you will see me doing the program as well as hear the audio.
And I might say the audio's quite good now.
They really have made some rather significant advances in that area.
Coming up very shortly is Callum Cutter from NIDS, and he is going to report back to you on some of the phone calls, the many phone calls and reports they've got on their new hotline, which we will tell you about again, and how some of what they have heard correlates to their own research.
It's really going to be interesting.
That's coming up next, and then at the top of the following hour, Stan and Holly Dale.
Stan Dale and his beautiful wife Holly are going to be with us.
That should be really quite something.
First time we've ever had Holly on all the way, of course, from Australia.
All of that directly ahead.
New venture of Bob Bigelow's through NIDS.
What all this means is they are opening a 24-hour, have opened a 24-hour hotline number for sightings and for paranormal reporting and all the rest of it, but it gets better.
They have poured resources, and I mean big bucks, into having investigators prepared to fly anywhere and actually investigate Whatever it is, you might be reporting.
Not all will be investigated in that manner, of course, but the obviously interesting stuff is going to be.
In other words, there's money behind this.
PhD qualified people will go and investigate claims of the supernatural, abnormal, sightings of craft, dimensional holes, whatever you might have out there.
If they think it's worthy, they will actually commit resources to have it studied.
Now, Colm Kelletter, Dr. Colm Kelletter, PhD, is Deputy Administrator and Director of NIDS.
He is responsible for running day-to-day operations of NIDS, and I bet that's going to be a busy job, and supervising and managing scientific staff and investigators.
Here he is, once again, with an update for us.
Colm, welcome back to the show.
Good evening, Art.
It's really good to be back.
Great to have you.
Well, we gave out the hotline, which we're going to give out again tonight.
Last time you were on, what happened?
Well, I think it's only been a couple of weeks, maybe three at the max.
That's right.
We've had a very, very good response.
In the probably four days to two weeks after the initial announcement, we've had about 70 cases that have come in by telephone, email, fax, and online reports.
It's been really gratifying and they seem to, there's no pattern across the country, but they're everywhere from New Hampshire, you know, to California.
Well, if there is no pattern, that in itself is interesting.
Yeah, well there's a tendency to split between cases that are quite old to cases that have just happened.
Sure.
And obviously we're focusing mostly on the cases that are in the last few weeks.
Unless, and I think we covered that this last time, unless somebody has hard physical evidence to be examined.
Yes, that's exactly right.
In other words, if somebody's grandfather gave them a piece from the Roswell crash, that would qualify as hard physical evidence.
That would, if the chain of custody could be calibrated and that whole thing.
Right.
Definitely.
Sure.
We have the material science labs and we have contracts made with those labs so that we can get that kind of analysis done pretty quickly.
Well, what was of great interest that came in?
Well, we've had a number of cases that have happened, as I said, right through the United States, but a couple, one in particular was of interest that happened in Oklahoma on the September the 17th.
I can just run through it really quickly because it does have an interesting parallel with one of our cases that happened On the ranch that we work at.
The ranch, all right.
The ranch.
So, really briefly what happened was that two people were driving in a car between Claremore and Enola, which is in the northeast part of Oklahoma, at about 8.30 p.m.
on the 17th of September, which is a few weeks ago.
They were crossing a bridge and One of the people in the car saw what looked like an airplane at the beginning.
Told his friend to stop the car.
He got out because it did seem unusual.
Turned out that there was a large triangular craft right over a house that appeared to be abandoned.
But the triangular craft looked like it was searching for something.
It had three beams of light coming down to the ground and moving around.
It looked like it was searching for something.
No sound, and absolutely no sound at all.
How about size?
He described it as about half the size of a football field.
Oh, that's big.
Which is big.
Now, at the same time, the craft appeared to be rotating clockwise and counterclockwise.
After that, the craft headed off.
Now, wait a minute.
Let me think about that.
The craft appeared, at the same time, to be rotating clockwise... No, alternating between clockwise and counterclockwise.
After the craft left, he obviously got back into the vehicle, and this is where it gets interesting, because his partner in the vehicle, who had appeared nervous at the beginning, insisted that he had seen absolutely nothing.
Oh?
We've come across reports like this before where two people go side-by-side into an incident and one person sees something and reports vividly.
The other person is either unable or unwilling to remember or to report anything.
And that does have a parallel with one of the cases that I wanted to talk about that had happened on this research property of ours.
And this was during the late summer when I was actually involved in this case personally.
Some of the audience, I guess, should be grounded by knowing that Bob Bigelow has donated large sums of money to help research in the areas that we're talking about right now and others.
And there was this ranch at an undisclosed location where all of these paranormal occurrences were happening.
And Bob Bigelow simply bought the ranch, and they have set up a great deal of scientific study on that ranch, so that's what you're hearing right now.
Go ahead, Callum.
That's correct, and the particular area has a long history, actually close to a 50-year history, the immediate environment for unidentified flying objects, so it was of interest to study it.
But on this particular night in June, it was a moonless night.
And the reason that myself and a second investigator were down there was because a week previous to that, in a small field located on this property, there's an old homestead built about a hundred years ago.
And this investigator, a week previously, had photographed, using infrared equipment, an unusual light In the vicinity of this old homestead, which was about 100 years old.
So we were there on that night to see if we could replicate that.
And as I said, about 11 to 11.30 at night, we were located in a small field about 200 yards by 80 yards, surrounded by tall trees.
And as I said, it was a moonless night, so it was pretty dark.
We had two dogs with us because normally we use dogs as biological sensors.
Unexpectedly, about 80 yards to the south of us, a ball of light blinked on and it was right in the middle of the field.
Obviously it was unexpected because it was absolutely dark.
There was no source of light there at all.
And then suddenly this blinked on.
Obviously.
It was about the size of between a baseball and a basketball from our perspective.
It was a bluish tinge and it was located approximately about 15 feet off the ground.
It appeared to be hovering.
It blinked off and then blinked on rapidly.
Um, about three or four times, and then, um, and then just vanished.
Now, during that time, um, I began to, um, trying to photograph it with, uh, my, our infrared camera.
So you were there, you were seeing it?
Yes.
Okay.
And the, the person right beside me, who had, uh, night vision binoculars, activated the night vision binoculars just at the, uh, at the end of this sequence of events when the thing blinked out.
Now, at the same time, we had a very powerful flashlight.
We're talking about 3 million candle power flashlights, the kind of thing that you can, the law enforcement people use for crowd control.
So we could light up that field.
It's a pretty small field, pretty easily with this piece of equipment, which
we did after my partner had scanned the area with the infrared binoculars
and had seen nothing.
So we flicked on this very powerful, essentially, a searchlight and saw absolutely nothing.
So we blinked off the searchlight.
I continued taking photographs.
My partner then started scanning the area with the infrared binoculars.
Actually, they're generation three night vision.
They're not actually infrared binoculars.
They're light enhancement.
Well, infrared is used if you're in the complete dark to assist the night vision.
Yeah, it dramatically increases the amount of light that's visible.
It makes a dark night look like daylight.
You bet.
And by the way, something you might want to check into is I, too, have one of those three million candle power.
In fact, I have a six million candle power.
And you can put, Azalem, an infrared filter over that.
Yes, we have one of those.
Ah, I don't yet.
They would dramatically enhance night vision.
That's how we use it most of the time.
I see.
My partner was scanning the area with the night vision binoculars when suddenly he reported that there was a large object about 60 feet in diameter Located probably less than 50 yards away in the trees.
Yes.
He started giving me a running narrative.
So I swung the camera over in that direction and started taking long exposure photographs.
Meanwhile, this object, which appeared to be extremely black, diffused, began to move northwards and appeared to be actually in the trees rather than than behind or in front of them.
Was there any shape to this object?
It was shapeless and it didn't appear to have any structure, but it did black the stars
out behind it as it moved from south to north in a northerly direction, so it was definitely
solid.
Yes.
This guy reported this.
It moved probably about 20 to 30 yards very, very slowly, very silently.
The dog's behavior became very interesting once he started reporting this black object
because the dogs who had been actually ignoring the ball of light that had just disappeared,
they immediately came behind each of us and stood right behind us, crammed up against
our legs and both of them were obviously focused on the same area where this black object was.
And then my partner reported that the black object was beginning to dissipate.
In other words, it seemed to be folding in on itself.
Dissipate?
Folding in on itself and at the same time beginning to get smaller and smaller and dissipating.
And eventually it vanished.
But the interesting thing about this sighting was that I was standing right beside him, admittedly concentrating on taking infrared photographs, But I did not see the same object that he was reporting, and he was standing 15 feet away from me.
And this would suggest to you, with a wild guess, what?
This would suggest to me that there is a very interesting part of the whole UFO phenomenon that really needs to be looked at, and that is the Alterations in perception and or changes in consciousness that's associated with these experiences.
The metaphysical aspect?
Certainly the perception aspect, because that to me was a very powerful demonstration that something was visible.
Admittedly, he did have the night vision binoculars on, but I should have been able to see a large object 60 feet in diameter that was essentially blocking out the stars 50 yards in front of me.
Well, I was about to say, it must have had solidity to it, but that's a conclusion that perhaps we shouldn't make.
In other words, it may have been emitting some sort of something or another that had the same effect as solidity with regard to the human ability to perceive stars behind it.
What we're dealing with here, we just don't even have the slightest idea.
Hold on there, Callum.
By the way, everybody, when we get back we will Give you the hotline number so you can participate in all of this.
Stay right there.
Oh, wait a minute.
That isn't what I wanted to do.
That's for later.
This is what I wanted to do, really.
Only in America can a guy from anywhere go to sleep before her and wake up a millionaire.
Only in America can a kiss without a scent get a break and maybe grow up to be president.
only in America.
So, something that folded in on itself and disappeared, apparent to one person, but not another.
Again, suggestive of sort of a door opening, and then perhaps closing.
I don't know, intriguing.
The kind of work that NIDS is doing, and if you have something to report, something unusual, something like we just talked about, or a sighting you've had, or photographs you may have taken, or physical evidence you may possess, and you would like the possibility of PhD-level scientists coming to you and investigating whatever has happened, Then you're going to want to jot down the following information.
The NIDS UFO Hotline telephone number is area code 702-798-1700.
This is a significant asset for all of you.
Area code 702-798-1700.
798-1700.
This is a significant asset for all of you.
Area code 702-798-1700.
Soon to be up 24 hours a day and I think you can get a message to them any time.
It's a big asset.
They've got a website address.
I'll give it to you.
We've got a link up there right now.
It is the usual.
Hit up www.accessaccenv.com forward slash nids.
N as in Nora.
accessnevada.com forward slash nids.
N as in Nora, I, D, S.
So they've got a website and they've got a phone number and they've got the assets in place.
Tom, welcome back.
Thank you.
All right.
So, this thing then folded in on itself.
This, to me, sounds an awful lot like the other story you told me last time you were on, or the time prior to that, actually, about the hole opening up with something crawling through it.
Seen by, if I recall, one person but not another.
And the person who saw everything was, again, using a pair of night vision binoculars.
Yes.
And it may be as simple as that, but the key is that there's a lot happening in the infrared part of the spectrum that we're not actually seeing with our own eyes.
I would have thought that something that was blacking out the stars to that extent, and was 60 feet in diameter, and only 50 yards away, should have been visible to the naked eye.
Yeah, but it wasn't, because as I was taking these long exposure infrared photographs, I was concentrating on the tripod and the camera, but I was looking up all the time to see that I was aiming properly.
I just did not see anything.
So, this person was standing 15 feet away from me.
So, it was a very interesting, I thought, lesson for coming up against corroborative evidence when you're talking to eyewitnesses and other investigations.
Because I'm a lot slower to, for example, dismiss the Oklahoma case I discussed Based on the idea that the second person did not interoperate what the first person said.
But I'm still puzzling on what that suggests to us, that there may be a metaphysical aspect of it, one person spiritually open to be able to see this, or it could be a control of the mechanism of whatever the hell it is that's out there, Uh, which would, uh, enable itself to be seen by one person but not another.
Well, there are, um, there's certainly a lot of precedent to suggest that there is control of perception operating in some of these, uh, bizarre cases.
Otherwise said to be mind control.
Um, whatever the words are used, exactly.
That's right.
Listen, um, with regard to the ranch that Bob purchased, uh, I know there's a long history with that ranch.
But I've got a question.
Why the ranch?
Why any particular area?
Why are there hotbeds like this?
Any thoughts?
Well, we know reproducibly that this entire area has been the focus of a lot of activity for up to 50 years, and we have obviously Checked out the magnetic fields, the geology, all of the usual suspects, so to speak, and we've come up with very little.
We really do not have any idea of why particular areas are focused on for long periods of time.
And that definitely is the case in other parts of the country, too, where there's been repetitive sightings time after time.
Well, if that's the case, then an obvious search would be to look for commonality in these hotbed areas.
Some sort of commonality.
Any sort of commonality.
Yes, any kind of commonality.
However, within these particular areas, the eyewitnesses that we've talked to, and we're really, in one of these areas we're talking about close to 70 to 80 incidents in a particular area.
There is a huge spectrum of craft that are reported, a huge spectrum of experiences, and commonality is pretty low.
So, either we don't have enough data to actually generate patterns yet, or there's some interaction with the perception of the eyewitnesses.
But still, we do have specific areas Where there's high activity and somewhere there, if we dig deep enough, there's got to be something common about them.
I just don't see how else to go after this.
I suppose if you could come up with that commonality, then you could predict, ultimately, where such occurrences would be likely, even if they hadn't occurred or been seen.
Well, one of our biggest challenges in this research is the lack of reproducibility because every time we come up to speed in a particular hotspot on the methodology and the protocols that we use to investigate a particular case, we're presented with a brand new set of circumstances and a brand new case that has absolutely no precedence.
So, we've been moving from new case to new case to new case that have absolutely no commonality.
And that's been a real challenge because, you know, people say that investigators should be trained in certain aspects, but when you're presented with brand new situations almost continuously, That speaks to some kind of a learning curve.
Well, this is why mainstream science has not yet embraced the study of the paranormal because they just can't wrap their hands around it.
There's really no reproducibility and also there's absolutely no control of when and where something is going to happen.
Obviously there are people in the field of ufology who feel that they can approach Being able to attract this phenomena, but in our experience that has not been the case.
What about frequency?
Can we find any commonality there?
In other words, in this country, worldwide in fact, we have what most people call flaps, where all kinds of stuff begins to happen all at once, and then it goes quiet for a long time, and then boom, there you are again.
Any commonality there?
Full moons?
Planetary alignments?
Anything?
We've run that whole spectrum of the full moon and the planets and the weather and the time of the day, all of that, and so far there's been no patterns that leap out.
However, the beauty of getting new data all the time is that they can Eventually, if there's a broad enough baseline, something will emerge.
Oh, yes.
If your database gets large enough, and I presume that you commit what you consider to be legitimate to some database with data points in each case, that can then be correlated by computer.
Right.
Right now, from the hotline data, which we just started a couple of weeks ago, We've already returned phone calls and begun preliminary investigations on about 50 of the 70 cases that came in.
Wow!
We've been really pushing it because it's time intensive.
I'll bet you're pretty busy with that many cases.
Yes.
The next step is to bring quite a few of them to closure because if there's only a single eyewitness, Fairly well, eliminate the chances of it being corroborated, unless, you know, from a hotline, or coming in at a hotline, another one comes in by random chance, then you have a way of corroborating it.
But usually, if there's only a single eyewitness, that's pretty well the end of the case, unless there is physical evidence.
And have you had any cases yet With any physical evidence?
Not from the hotline, no.
We're still going through them, obviously returning the phone calls and trying to track down potential eyewitnesses.
Alright, well your service, I'll call it, is so attractive because you can actually dispatch Ph.D.
level people into the field, and you will, to do this at your own cost just for a phone call.
Let's give out that number again, the hotline number.
And I wanted to ask, when is it good now?
When is it live by manned personnel?
Well, as of this coming Monday, it's manned from 7 a.m.
till 1 a.m., which is essentially, what, 18 hours, 19 hours a day.
That's right, and soon 24, and that number, folks, is area code 702.
7-9-8-1700.
1-7-0-0.
7-0-2-7-9-8-1700.
I think it's a wonderful idea.
And, of course, you're going to have to get a year or two of it under your belt before the database gets big enough.
But you are going to get a big database.
Yes, I think we are.
And, as I said, the baseline, putting in the baseline, I think, is the most important part of it.
And from there, from the baseline, we can start comparing.
I want to ask you a question.
I'm asking most of my guests now.
Colm, I have been, from a lot of sources, receiving this, what I'm going to call only a rumor, that some event is possible in the month of November.
Have you been getting any rumblings at all?
I must confess, we have not.
We have not, we have not, I've heard rumors obviously on the internet.
Okay, so you've heard the rumor.
Yes, but not, we haven't had any calls on our hotline regarding anything, any event in November.
Good.
But I've seen, obviously I've seen some of the rumors.
I think it may just be what happens on the internet, I hope.
So I'll leave it at that, but I've been asking my guests.
So anyway, the hotline is in the process of expansion, and what else is going on?
Well, we've got other cases.
Obviously, the historical stuff is extremely interesting.
We got a series of ex-military people who are retired who have been calling us.
Oh yes.
And that seems to be on the increase in the last couple of years that people have seen stuff when they were in the military and now they feel slightly less encumbered by secrecy.
We got a very interesting case from a radar operator during the Korean War, he was operating the anti-aircraft
batteries out on the West Coast during the Korean War. He reported a phenomenally large
formation of UFOs in a circular formation that came in on his radar screen, traveling about 250 miles
an hour, right over the Hanford plant, the atomic plant that was there in 1933. Still there
now, actually. Yeah, still there now, exactly. The interesting thing about this
particular case was that as the formation hovered over this plant, individual members of
the formation took off and came back. They left and came back to the formation, but they
were coming in and out at speeds that were over the ability of the radar to actually calibrate
the speed.
And that maximum threshold is 80,000 miles an hour and was 80,000 miles an hour.
So these things, these single UFOs were coming back to the formation at those speeds and stopping dead.
And this was in atmosphere?
This was in the atmosphere, which again defies the usual ... Certainly does, by a long shot, actually.
Yeah.
There's a way, possibly, of investigating this that we're looking at right now, but the bottom line with this one was that there were two radar operators, and the entire formation stayed over this Hanford plant for over 30 minutes.
Remained hovering, as I said, with individual members leaving and returning, and then the entire formation left on exactly the same flight path that it had arrived.
It went back west over the sea.
This is one of many interesting cases that we've got that are of historical interest.
We might be able to follow it up, but we're not sure.
80,000 miles an hour in the atmosphere.
That would be obviously something that defied our laws of physics.
It would simply have to, wouldn't it?
Well, you would expect that, especially at low altitudes, that kind of friction would really destroy most of the technology that we knew of, and especially in the early 1950s.
We certainly had no capabilities of... I don't think we can do that now.
Not that I'm aware of, no.
Same here.
All right, well, so you stand ready to take and would like to have more reports.
Yes, but I should mention that I know two shows ago we said that we had a NIDS publication, a book that's still actually on sale for $15 at the same hotline number.
If you call in on the hotline number you can... What is the book?
It's called The Best UFO Cases in Europe and it's written by a German physicist and it's probably one of the more comprehensive treatises on UFOs.
It's focused on UFOs in Europe but it really does add an extra dimension to the UFO phenomenon because it makes it to the American audience global.
A lot of these cases have never been discussed or seen in North America before.
Alright, Colm, so there it is.
You can get that book or you can report a sighting or an occurrence at area code 7027981700.
That's 7027981700.
702-798-1700. That's 702-798-1700. And, Gunnum, I want to thank you for being here once again,
and we'll look forward to the next update on what you've been getting.
Thank you very much, Art.
It's really good to talk to you.
Good night.
Good night.
All right.
We'll pause here and then we'll try and connect with Down Under Australia and Stan and Holly Dale.
i'm art bell just one little precursor to the uh... the day of joining
us and that is the following story by reuters
entitled Antarctic ice sheet steadily melting.
Check this one out.
A big chunk of Antarctica has been melting for thousands of years and is going to continue to melt until it swamps millions of miles of coastline, scientists said Thursday.
They said, There's nothing anyone can do about it.
And unlike other areas of the Antarctic that are melting, or were, global warming probably, they said probably, was not to blame.
Quote, during the last ice age, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet was 1,300 kilometers, or 650 miles, more extensive than it now is in the Ross Sea Embayment.
That's Brenda Hall of the University of Maine.
Goes on to say that Our data would suggest it has been retreating ever since the end of the Ice Age, probably the last 10,000 years.
Reporting in the journal Science, they said its complete collapse would raise the global sea level by 15 to 20 feet.
Now, where would that put you, I ask?
Consider wherever you are, east, west, south, If sea levels rose by 15 to 20 feet, where would you be right now?
All right, now all the way down to the continent.
They are an actual continent, you know.
What should we call it?
They call it Down Under.
I guess Down Under will do.
It's Australia.
Stan?
And Holly Dale, what a treat that both of you are here, right?
Well, I think so.
Are you here, Holly?
This is truly a pleasure, Art.
Hi, Holly.
How great to finally talk to you here on the air.
I've talked to you privately a couple of times, but now finally here you are on the air with us.
Well, thank you for having both of us.
Did the two of you get an opportunity to hear that little piece of bumper music I played coming into this hour?
Yes.
Yes.
It talks about the return of our Lord, perhaps in the year 7510.
You guys think it'll take that long?
Don't think so.
No?
I think it's a lot closer than that.
Uh-huh.
If man survives.
Yeah.
Either way, you can call this place the lucky country, or that island paradise in the south, whatever.
Well, you're not a country, you're a continent, right?
Yeah, we are, but it's like a big island, isn't it?
Well, when you look at it on a map compared to other big places, yes, it does.
How, by the way, did Australia get the moniker of being a continent?
It doesn't look like it deserves that.
I mean, no bad reflection, I hope, but frankly, you're too small to seem a continent.
Well, when you compare size, if you were to lay us over the United States, we'd be about the same size.
Who has the right to claim continent?
But you're nowhere near the size of our continent when you consider Canada and Northlands and all the way down to South America.
Now you're talking about a continent.
We're going to look at Africa.
That's a continent.
But Australia... All right, well, we'll get back to an oversized island then, don't we?
Kind of like an oversized island.
Now, you know, it could be that they would change your status as they're talking about doing with Pluto.
You know, they're talking about degrading Pluto from a planet to a I don't know what they're going to call it.
Well, it used to be a moon of Neptune or something, didn't it?
I don't know.
They're talking of stripping it of its planetary status.
Sad.
Sad.
So, likewise, maybe Australia will get stripped.
Now, you guys have a new book out.
Actually, I've got several books here.
What is your latest book?
Holly, you tell him.
Your fault.
It's called Dare to Prepare, and it's a two-fold book.
Part of the book, about one-third, is dedicated to what we see happening with global weather changes, events with the sun, anything that affects our life, what the norm is.
Sure.
And there was a time when I desperately needed these figures to convince some people that were very close to me.
Family and friends.
And it was about the time that Gordon Michael Scallion was coming on with all of his earthquake predictions when he was first on your show.
Oh yes.
And I could only waffle on about earthquakes.
I knew something was up, but I didn't have any hard data.
And it's fine to look at prophecy, but it's better really for most of us to have something concrete we can wrap our minds around.
Statistics we can look at.
From reputable sources like NOAA and EMA and FEMA, NASA, and a whole host, USGS, of different sources.
And that's primarily what this is for the person that wants to be aware of what's happening and that needs to be able to point to hard statistics to help them convince other family members why we should prepare.
And then the other half of the book is how to do it step-by-step.
All right, let's begin with the obvious question.
The title of your book is Dare to Prepare.
The question might be, why prepare?
A lot of people would take a very fundamentalist religious view, and that would be, indeed, why prepare?
Because when it comes, our Lord is going to come back, And all the canned food and all the radios and lights that you have won't mean a whole lot as you listen to the horses galloping.
Well, Art, in the last section of the book, there is a little short story.
There is a fellow named, remember Downing Thomas?
And he was in his house and he's looking at the water coming up to his house.
And there are sirens going off, warning of disaster, warning of the floods.
And he says, hey, I'm right with God.
He'll take care of me.
I don't need to worry about it.
Then came the cop cars along with their sirens.
And they sent out messages that he needed to evacuate.
And Tom says, hey, God will provide.
No problem.
I'm fine.
I'm here.
So then he looks out the window and he sees the water is now to the second story window
of this house.
An emergency rescue people come by in boats and they say, ìCome on Tom, come on.
Come on, get out of the window.î And he says, ìNope, Iím right.
Iíll stay here.
God will provide.î A little later heís drowned and heís really mad.
Heís upset with God and heís standing up there in front of God and he says, ìHey,
I trusted you and you let me die.
Why didnít you help me?î And God says to Tom, ìBut I did.
Who do you think sent you the announcements?
Who sent you the cop cars?î Who sent you the rescue equipment?
You ignored it.
Yeah, that's a good point.
And while I do believe in a creator, not perhaps in the way that you and Stan do.
I know you're a pretty fundamentalist in a lot of ways.
I, too, believe that... I believe in preparation, and I believe that he does help those who help themselves, which is really what you're saying there.
And so it's smart to prepare.
How does your book deal with preparations?
I mean, you're looking at worsening weather, Holly.
You're looking at the sun, which is producing all kinds of strange things and is going to be very active toward the end of the year.
Weather patterns that are obvious.
Our change in weather, I think, is no longer arguable.
I think the only question now is how far it's going to go.
And so with all of these things upon us, and Y2K just around the corner, What kind of things do you have in your book that would help people?
We're very practical, Art.
The bottom line is you do what you can with what means you have and where you are.
We don't advocate that anybody pick up sticks and move into the desert or move into your nearest tent away from everything.
Most of us just don't have a desire to do that.
Us included.
Dare to Prepare is for the urban person, the rural person, the apartment dweller, just us average people.
And it tells how you can make your home safer, how to put away a little food, a little water, your supplies, and a lot of things will be stuff you have right around home.
Not only does Dare to Prepare help you prepare in that manner for emergencies, But it's really good household management.
How you can make some of your own cleaners much more cheaply than what you buy them in the stores.
How to go in your stores and buy foods at a good price rather than, like for instance, buying in bulk.
Everybody's pretty much aware of how that is a savings.
Sure.
There are lots of tips like that and there are charts upon charts of shelf lives That if you want to buy things up when they're on sale, whether it's cosmetics, paint, caulk, gasoline, your petrol... Actually, I find in your book, chart after chart after chart, dealing with every manner of food and nutrition, and talking about body weights and how much you should have, and all the rest of it, you obviously have spent a great deal of time researching all of this.
A lot of research went into this book, didn't it?
But it was enjoyable and rewarding research and a lot of it was for our own family here.
And then we put a lot of it up on the web for free for people.
And then looking at Y2K and so forth, I've always liked having a hard copy.
If you have computer problems and you can't get to stuff in cyberspace, you have a hard copy.
Well, here's an interesting question for the two of you.
Y2K is coming, and we'll ask you more about it, but you are able to hear me down there in Australia on the Internet.
How good do you think the odds are that as we progress through the 31st to the first day of the new thousand-year cycle, you're going to be hearing me?
Good question, Art.
I do think that there will be some sort of interruption along the way.
How long is another question?
I mean, Holly and I have been checking this week with our local telephone company, well, the national telephone company and the power company here.
And they don't really, they can't give us an answer either.
They say, well, we think we'll be okay, but we can't guarantee anything.
So that's as good as I can guarantee you, as well.
That's basically the same sort of answer that people are getting here, Stan.
There was one written, I had a letter from a power company, and they said, we can provide you with power, or we absolutely probably can provide you with power.
Love it.
Yeah, it was an attempt at humor, but I think they're really quite serious.
Nobody quite has any idea of what is going to happen.
Is there any betting going on down there?
What do people in Australia think?
Oh good lord, they probably are betting.
They have to be conscious that there's a possible problem first.
The power company did tell us that they are hoping that everyone will not suddenly turn on all their appliances at 12.01 on New Year's Eve because it would blow the grid if they did.
To see if it's working and stuff like that.
Oh!
Well, have you said that in a pamphlet or have you told anybody about it?
And they said, no, because we didn't want to alarm anybody.
So they're caught between the devil and the deep blue sea on this one, like everybody.
They really are.
They really are.
I understand.
So I guess we're just all going to have to wait and see what happens.
But if we were to go for a period of time without power and or without water, Which is certainly a possibility.
These are things that we really have to prepare for.
The human being doesn't last a whole long time without water, does it?
No.
The most important resource next to God himself, that's water.
Life just doesn't happen without it.
Well, when we moved to this place here, that was our prime concern was being sure we could get a hold of good groundwater here.
I understand.
And so, Holly, in your book, what do you recommend to people about water, particularly, say, an apartment dweller in a big city?
Are you speaking for, in general, or for Y2K?
Well, I don't think it makes any difference.
In other words, if you've got to be prepared to do without water, what advice do you give?
Well, obviously, it depends on how much room you can store.
But certainly, people, if you just take a look around, you'll find little hidey holes that you can put water, like, under a table.
People have hung them from rafters in their closets.
Under the bed, you can stick the two-liter pop bottles under there without a problem.
Even a water bed can hold water.
Yes, even a water bed.
There are lots of places That you can tuck water into on top of your refrigerator, in bookcases, on top of cupboards if they don't go all the way to the ceiling.
At least do some of those kinds of things.
There are other measures you can take too, which might entail looking into your apartment complex.
Is there a basement?
Can you rent space down there within your own complex?
Storage facilities?
Friends?
Family members?
You can contra-think.
Say, hey, if you'll let me store something here, I'll, you know, give you free haircuts or whatever.
There are ways to make it work.
Well, it's a good point, but I've got one possible hole in that idea.
We'll be right back.
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One of the very first things that we discussed with Stan Dale in Australia was our weather changes.
And we've been doing that now for a number of years.
And the weather has been rapidly changing for a number of years.
And I thought it worthwhile to perhaps inquire Stan, what do you think of the latest mess of weather that we've had about the globe and where it is going from here?
Well, a lot of folks have been asking that, a number of people that should be qualified to answer that.
From my perspective, I can see that the planet is heating up, particularly the oceans, which are the main repository of the heat.
And the North Pacific, from Japan clear across to California and Oregon, spread out like that, is definitely warming, giving signals like it's trying to be an El Nino.
Now, the official position is that we're not going into an El Nino, but a La Nina, the cooler form of it.
Still, if you look across the United States, the Northeastern United States and several pockets of the Southwest, we've got drought, severe drought.
We've got drought down here in Australia, and in fact, Melbourne, which is only about an hour and a half drive from here, announced publicly that they're going to have to go into water rationing because they're down to less than 25% water reserves for the whole city.
Oh my!
Severe water restrictions are about to be imposed there.
So, these things indicate, from what I can see on the global map, the thermal map, that The heating zones I see in the Indian Ocean, which move clear across Australia and down across New Zealand and over to South America, these are lighter than the ones that are headed for the United States right this minute.
In my term, I don't care whether you call it La Nina or El Nino or El Diablo, whatever you want to.
Now this is really what worries me, because as you pointed out earlier, and as I think most people know, we should be in the opposite situation now, and you're saying it's not so, If you look at the maps and you look at the surface or the ocean temperatures, they're higher, not lower.
Now, how could our scientists be missing that fact?
They aren't missing the fact.
What they're doing is a matter of semantics, because you've got to have a thermal wall at the equator.
You've got to have a hot zone at the equator coming up from Chile and up off the coast of Central America and bending to the left or to the west.
And stretching out from Midway into the Pacific, and you've got to have that thermal barrier.
If you don't have that, it's technically not an El Nino.
You have a cold wall there, which hits the southern oscillation.
It's just semantics.
If you ask them, is the weather a bit bizarre at the moment?
Yeah, sure.
Is climate and change questionable?
But they see the same maps we do, and all they're doing is giving the I think they're going to have to come up with a new term, though, in the next three or four months because we're seeing signs of an El Nino breaking halfway through the equator.
There are little reddish pools or dots that are appearing.
Yes.
But something else has happened in the last month.
I've been watching it off the northeast coast of America.
I think I told you about this probably about two years ago when El Nino was starting to Yes, of course.
Just a week before that hit, I saw something similar to what I've been seeing now for three
or four weeks off the coast of the United States and up slightly higher,
I guess closer toward the eastern Canadian border.
But it's a blue circle, almost perfect, of cooling in the ocean there.
And it doesn't move at all.
In the Atlantic?
In the northwest Atlantic.
In fact, people who study this who grab the Otis charts off the Navy like we do,
you'll look up there for the last month, at least the last month.
We made a movie of it to see if it drifted.
You know, we animated it.
And this sucker just sits there like a sinkhole sucking heat out of the ocean,
which was overheated.
And, you know, it's not something that I would think would be natural.
You know, you start to wonder if someone's not trying to pump the heat
out artificially with something like a harpoon.
Oh, that's really something to hear.
You say, how large is this circle?
Russell?
The size of, oh, let's see on the map, that would be, it would probably be, oh, the size of New York State.
Oh, that's big.
And so this circle is of intense cold, and it's literally sucking the ocean warmth into it?
Yep.
Yep, it's a thermal sink.
And it oscillates back and forth.
It's such a neat dance.
Wow!
Yeah, I was just saying it's well-defined.
It's like a well-defined circular thing.
It's not kind of a lazy little kind of odd pattern.
It's circular.
I mean, it's just so close to perfect that you have to wonder if it's not, you know, artificial.
Now, since you told me so far ahead of time about El Nino and how monstrous it was going to be, and you were doing that for a long, long time with your readings of the ocean temperatures, we really should be paying attention to what you're saying right now.
I've never heard of such a thing.
Is it common to have something like this in any ocean?
I've only seen this three times.
Once in the Indian Ocean.
For a very short period.
Then that time I told you about off the New York coast before the snowstorms hit.
And then I think, well yes, then it was to break a heat wall too.
It was a heat sink.
It's unusual.
In fact, the only other time I've seen a perfect circle like that was when we got hit, the planet did, by a large proton storm thrown off the sun.
This was probably six months or so ago.
I forget now exactly when.
It was in the last year.
And it dumped not gigawatts, but terawatts of power into the planet in less than a day into the electric system of the planet in the magnetic field.
Right.
And as I was looking at the OTIS maps, I've been working on a hypothesis that the ocean sea surface temperatures vary rapidly during the day because of electric currents and carrying the heat from one place to another.
This is the only thing we can explain the fast movements of these thermal patterns with.
Right after this huge proton storm hit the planet, a great huge red circle, perfect, hit right up off of Kanchatka Island, just one light north of Japan.
It was perfectly formed, beautiful.
It was there for nine to ten hours, then suddenly gone, perfect, cold, blue, as it sunk back in.
The next day it reappeared over in the South Atlantic between South America and Africa.
And I was absolutely amazed.
It was like the energy hit the planet, the electrical energy, bounced around over there and out over in the Northwest Pacific and then disappeared back in and bounced out over in the South of the Atlantic in between the other two continents.
So, wow.
That was kind of, I mean, we could attribute that to the workings of the sun.
That was bigger than what we're talking about, what we're seeing here now.
Are there any photographs on your website of this, what we're discussing right now in the Atlantic?
There are at the moment.
I've been waiting to get today's report in because I want to put that on the end of the movie.
I'm going to actually put up an animation of that spot over the last month and show people.
You can see how it was dancing around, or like the feet was dancing around this coal spot and disappearing into it.
So I'll put that up.
It'll probably be tomorrow before it goes up because I just got the data today.
All right.
We'll look forward to that.
I want to ask both of you a question, which you don't have to answer and certainly not in any detail, but I have been getting persistent rumors of an event that is going to possibly take place in the month of November.
Are you aware of those rumors?
Yes.
We've been kind of making a lot of inquiries about those rumors to everyone we know in the astronomical community.
I'm doing that as well.
Have you substantiated anything?
Have you had any responses that you consider either confirmation or at least suspicious?
Well, one, the We talked to our leading astronomer here in Space Guard, which watch for these sort of objects, and he said today, he said, no, look, someone's having a limb of your pulling your leg because we haven't got anything on detection, and the closest one that's going to come to us is asteroid number 1998-0X4 in the year 2014, so we're not too concerned at the moment.
He said we should have a very active November with meteor showers from the Leonids, and even more active, perhaps, next November in the year 2000.
And that was his official thing there.
Now, he was the astronomer that worked next to Duncan Steele, who wrote the book about the killer asteroids back in 95.
This is, again, a very respected astronomer, who is now over at the Naval Observatory in Ireland, at Armagh.
And he said to me, I contacted Dr. Steele about what he would do if he himself personally detected or knew of one coming to hit us.
Like in the short term.
Yes.
And he said, I would tell.
If I knew, I would tell.
I'm not one of those that's going to let him tell me to be quiet.
I would tell.
Then another source we had in the States, the answer was, I refuse to either confirm or deny.
Which in itself is rather interesting.
Now, all the data that I can get at the moment does not indicate an impact.
Perhaps a close passage might happen, but that would be from something detected in the Northern Hemisphere.
Understand that the astronomers in the Northern Hemisphere see the Northern sky with their telescopes.
Right.
That's why it's so important to have somebody in the South, Australia, observing the Southern Hemisphere.
And for three years, we haven't had anybody down here observing, because the Australian government said, oh, we want to spend the money on something else.
We're not going to look for near-Earth objects.
You're out of money.
Just three weeks ago, the University of Arizona said, look, we need this data from the Southern Hemisphere so bad.
Here is the money and a telescope to get you started.
Maybe the government will pick it up after that.
Please give us data as soon as you can, because fully, One-third of all of the near-Earth meteorites that have been detected in Space Guard have been done here in Australia on the East Coast at that one observatory.
One-third of all those have been detected, and there's 197 near-Earth or orbit-intersecting asteroids already detected.
There's also 1,700 that are not yet charted.
That is correct.
I understand we've charted about one in ten.
Interestingly enough, Art, right when Australia is coming on stream, September 14th, the U.S.
was voting in Congress whether or not to make cuts of 40% into their space card program.
Oh, good.
I have not heard the outcome of the vote.
I find that irresponsible to even consider.
That's amazing.
To a self-inflicted lobotomy.
I might have some comments on that, but I'll hold them back.
You know, Holly's put in her book, I think, did you put that meteorite strike map in your book?
Yeah.
Okay, in the book she's got a picture of where all the known major meteorite strikes have hit the planet.
And while we were researching what you talked about for the November possible event, We pulled that map up and we're having a look at it.
And I said, gosh, look at this.
Look at where all or the majority of these craters are.
They're in the Northern Hemisphere.
Right.
And look at where the majority of those are.
Half in the United States and half in Europe.
I said, well, let's count them.
So we count them.
30% of the meteorite impact craters that have been discovered on land and water are in the Southern Hemisphere.
70% in the Northern Hemisphere.
How many of those are in America?
Do you remember how many?
Yes, actually I do.
All right, if you've got that book handy, it's on page 81 there, where it shows all the strikes to date.
There's 158 known craters.
And out of that 158, North America has sustained 54.
Wow!
I am looking at it.
That's absolutely amazing!
That really is amazing!
I'm going to try to take a picture of this with my webcam.
I'm going to see if I can do that.
Get a sharp enough picture.
Europe has gotten 43 hits, so if you look at the Northern Hemisphere of 158, they have taken 115 hits.
That's absolutely astounding.
I just took a not very good photograph of it, but I did take a photograph of it.
I'll leave that up there on the webcam for a little while so people can see it.
Now, why in the world would they not be, with the randomness of these kinds of numbers, more evenly distributed?
That doesn't make any sense at all.
Well, I thought about that, too, and I looked at the strike patterns, and I thought, well, suppose it was one very big piece that, you know, kind of splattered into a bunch of cascading things it hit, and that didn't work because these are all different ages.
And if it had done it, it would probably rip continents apart, I suppose.
It might be some function of the way they entered the ecliptic plane in the orbit around the sun from the northern hemispheres.
I mean, I don't know.
But I know that while we're talking, probably real estate values in the southern hemisphere are going up.
How persistent have you found these rumors to be?
They're fairly persistent rumors, but I've really called in some favors from a lot of people, and so far the response is negative.
It's not happening so far, but the investigation has not stopped yet.
There are just a number of things going on at the moment.
I'm following a number of leads, and I'm not seeing much on the air other than what we have just said, and it may well be just another bunch of baloney You know Art, I wondered that.
You've still got to check these things out, understandably, but with the Internet, it's a new kind of psychological warfare weapon that can be used against the United States.
And if you look at the United States, a little bit of Europe and Australia, I mean, and Japan, we're the Internet users.
So if somebody from the outside is supposing they want to create a bit of havoc in the United States, You're so correct.
certainly do that if they could start a panic over whether it be bio warfare, anthrax in
your milk or something, and the sun is going to blow up and send a big glob of burning
goo down and burn you up or something.
If they could get enough people to panic buy or distrust the government, then it would
work.
It would be a great preliminary thing for that to get out of the way.
You're so correct.
You're so correct.
I must tell you I have people prepared to come on the air purporting to be from government
agencies willing to talk about this November story.
But I don't buy it yet.
And it would be irresponsible to go on the air with it yet.
But I am following it.
And I feel some responsibility to tell the audience that something is going on.
Yeah.
Maybe.
Me?
Ask yourself this.
Sorry, are you still there?
Yeah, sure.
I didn't mean to over-talk you at that delay there.
Ask yourself this.
If the government really did want to try to release to the public without creating a panic, how would they do it?
Probably they'd see me information stand, I'm sure of it.
Hold on and we'll break here at the top of the hour.
Maybe there's nowhere to run.
In this stereo heart of the city, where the sun refuses to shine.
People tell me there ain't no use in trying.
My little girl, you're so young and fresh.
And one thing I know is true.
Gonna die before you stand.
Say my daddy ain't fair.
You really have got to see this picture that I just took that's in Holly's book.
The caption is, Map of Known Meteor Impact Craters on Earth.
And if you look very carefully, it's so obvious the northern latitudes have been comparatively clobbered compared to the southern latitudes all across the Earth.
Now, anybody want to hazard a guess in Australia there about why this would be?
Are you talking to us?
You're the only ones I've got on the line from Australia.
Right.
Well, I don't know.
I keep wondering if maybe because so much of the Southern Hemisphere is water compared to land, the ratio is greater down here than in the Northern Hemisphere, that maybe we haven't done enough deep ocean imaging of craters, but that's kind of a stretch.
All I can think of is there must be something to do with the attitude of our planet and the, say, like the top half of the solar system for some reason.
Maybe the impactors, you know, play with that for some reason.
Maybe they did in the original time, because we're talking about ancient history here, not now.
It was during the formation stage, so... Well, when you look, yes, but when you look at Europe And you look at the United States at similar latitudes, and then you look down into Africa, which is a very significant land mass, and South America, ditto.
There's just no... There's no reason to it.
Yeah, I know.
You know, on that matter we were talking about for November... Yes?
There's also another matter attendant to that, which I think you may be aware of what you said, but About the sun and the increased flare activity toward the end of the year, November to December?
Yes, the sun cycle so far has been really interesting.
It started off, it got pretty wild, then it calmed right down again, and I have a feeling what we're in right now is the calm before the storm, pun intended.
Yeah, I know.
If it does go ahead and head towards peak and change, in fact, let me just say this, There are about three different schools of thought about how to predict when it's going to peak out in this particular solar cycle, when it's going to be the worst.
Now, the NASA forecast is oscillating around the end of June.
There's another one that's saying between now and December, which is from a lesser known source, and another group of scientists are saying that it will peak out in February, March.
Now, either way, We're coming to a peak.
They say we haven't reached it yet, and as you know, we talked about there was a point about a month and a half ago when it peaked at something we hadn't seen except four times before.
Yes, it's been very odd.
I've lived through a few solar cycles and I've watched them and I've never seen one like this.
No, and if it does throw off dust clouds from Ejecta in our direction, and certainly it has come close to doing that already, Because the coronal mass ejections are just coming fast and furious.
It's like a kettle on the boil.
It's just amazing to watch.
Have you been getting those animations off the satellite?
Oh, yes.
Well, you know what I'm talking about.
I know exactly what you're talking about, but a lot of people out there don't, so explain it to them.
A lot of people don't even really understand the cycle of the sun and what's going on.
Alright, alright. The sun periodically, about every 28 to 30 days, runs through a full rotation of it.
And we observe dark spots on the surface of the sun, which are spots that are dark because they're cooler than the surrounding gas temperature.
These spots run in longer cycles of about 11.2 years, over 11 years when they're Almost gone.
And then they rise to a peak in about five and a half years.
And they're very dominant on the features of the sun.
You can see it in your telescopes.
And then they wane off.
And then we go through another five and a half years where it's waning off.
And then we get to trough again.
And then we go to the next peak.
But it's not regular.
Sometimes these rises from no sunspots to a lot of them.
Well, they know very, very little about the Sun.
9 years instead of 11.
Sometimes they'll run 13 years.
We haven't really figured out why these periods are irregular.
In fact, we're doing good to even figure out what really causes the sunspot activity.
Although they know very, very little about the sun.
As a matter of fact, the astronomers, before we continue, just now are saying that they
have studied the suns, stars, suns, just like ours, thought to be stable suns and have been
stable suns, just like ours, that have suddenly emitted a super flare and sterilized, which
would, scientists say, have sterilized every planet in the system if there was a system
around that sun like ours.
Sterilized, Stan, everything.
Beings, microbes, everything.
Just to give you a point of reference here, one single medium-sized sunspot is roughly the size of Earth.
When we're talking about sunspots, these are massive spots up there.
That's not even counting a whole group of these cellars.
Well, I know this.
It was a month or two ago, I got a story that indicated that there had been a massive ejector from the sun.
And scientists were saying they thought it was headed for Earth.
And this was only for a few hours, and then they determined actually it was headed in the exact opposite direction of Earth.
But it could as easily have come toward us, and it would have been really something.
We heard about that one.
The thing is, they have a single satellite viewpoint.
They don't have stereo vision, like two widely spaced satellites.
They're trying to put one up after the year 2000, but until we get that, they can't do depth perception.
They can't perceive something moving farther or closer until a while has passed.
They're still arguing over something about the sun that is quite unusual.
If I were to ask the average person, where is the hottest part of the sun, they would say, oh, in the core inside that bugger.
It's really hot, you know?
But that would be wrong.
Because they're finding out that thin, gaseous envelope around the outside that we call the corona, that kind of cranny-looking thing with spikes coming off of the light around the sun, that is orders of magnitude heaps hotter than the core or the surface of the sun.
Yes, I think it's thousands of degrees at the center and millions of degrees in the corona.
So why is the atmosphere hotter than the core of the sun, you say?
A lot of questions we don't understand.
Look, you've watched the sun.
You've been on radio.
This sun is acting very weird this cycle.
Very weird.
I know.
I mean, I look at those flares and the ejecta, the mass being thrown off the sun in these super bursts of energy.
Now, it's how many did we get today, not did we get one this month.
Well, I'll give you one, Stan.
I said this on the air because I observed it myself.
Or somebody called and then I observed.
I forget.
No matter how it happened.
The sun is a whiter color than it used to be.
It used to be, to my eye, more yellow than it is now.
And anybody out there, you're not supposed to look at the sun, but I mean, you can obviously kind of squint and, you know, take your chances.
I wouldn't do that.
All advice says don't do that.
You know, make a little pinhole in a box or something.
The sun seems to have a whiter component than it used to have, Stan.
That may sound stupid, but I believe it to be true.
Listen, I think it is, from not just a subjective opinion, but having talked to a couple of astronomers, one in the United States in the Southwest in an observatory, and one to an Air Force officer astronomer here with a government project in Australia.
The sun did start emitting some new ultraviolet frequencies about two major bands in 1991.
And they had special meetings about this.
And in that band, it will add more blue light, hence, to your eye and to the housewife out there getting, you know, tearful eyes, it is a brighter, whiter sun.
You're kidding!
No, no, fair dinkum.
Great stuff.
Well, you made me feel so much better because I thought I was going out of my mind.
No, no.
We've had a number of cases here where we've had like high ultraviolet count or like, you know, the ozone layer was thin and it was getting through where numerous housewives complained they were hanging their whites on the line to dry.
That's right.
And they had to use sunglasses because their eyes were crying.
And I thought at the time, well, that's bunkum.
And I was driving down the freeway within a couple days of that and it hit again, and I got it driving down the freeway where my eyes just started crying from the brightness of the light.
It's weird.
I know you're exactly right.
So, there really is a lot going on.
What is all this leading to, you two?
Well, Art, there's... We don't know.
You know, I don't know any prophets, really, that can sit down today like the old-timey guys and say, well, you know, in January 15th, this is going to happen, that's going to happen, as far as disasters.
What we do have to our advantage today is a smattering of technology, primitive as it is, which allows us to make educated guesses, or what we call partially educated guesses, or pegs.
You peg things.
And if I were making a peg on this, I would say, That between now and June next year, we're going to be at extremely high risk of something extraordinary happening with the sun and what it does to the Earth.
If not that, other factors like what it's already doing as far as the heating and the global warming and the drought and the famines that are kind of in progress as we speak.
Now, this is not an isolated fellow's opinion.
We were just invited to attend a conference in Canberra.
Which is like the capital of Australia.
And it's an Australian Disaster Conference.
It's going to be on the 1st to the 3rd of November this year.
Sponsored by, like, you've got FEMA there, well we've got EMA here, the Emergency Management Authority, and the Australian AGSO, which is like the same as USGS there in the States, the Bureau of Meteorology.
All these people got together and are holding this huge conference on assessing the risk of the approaching disasters, raising the public awareness of them, Reducing economic losses and social disruption.
Get that social disruption from this.
And preparing for response to these disasters and recovering after them.
Those are the five major thrusts of this conference.
And we've invited government people, non-government, private enterprise, the general community.
They've opened it right up to specific people all dealing with this thing.
Come, let us get together.
We've got a problem here.
I kind of wonder if somebody out there doesn't know something and here's why.
I live in a very rural county, Nye County, Nevada, in Front, Nevada, as you know, near Death Valley.
And never before in my mailbox has arrived a disaster preparedness manual, pamphlet, whatever you want to call it.
The day before yesterday, one arrived.
I couldn't believe it.
And I read through it, and it didn't specifically cite anything, nor did it really even mention Y2K, for example.
Suggested you begin preparing for a disaster.
You begin preparing for something that is going to happen.
Didn't say what.
It was very general, and I'm sure they could just sort of slough it off if I were to call them up, but I puzzled at its delivery.
You two hold on.
We are at the bottom of the hour, and we're going to do a couple of messages, and we'll be right back.
We'll ask about Noah's Ark when we get back.
Noah's Ark, all right, we'll do that.
In the meantime, Holly, this one's for you.
you.
I'm gonna let you go.
I'm gonna let you go.
Where I am, what I tell, what I believe in.
I am holding.
I am holding.
And I think we're missing something, aren't we?
Our usual little noise at the end of it all.
So let's put that in.
Here we go.
All right.
Back now to Down Under and Stan and Holly Dale.
And I was supposed to ask you about the Ark.
Hi, Art.
A couple of things just before we get off onto the arc.
When we were talking about the CMEs on the sun.
Yes.
On page 185 there in the book, there's a nice color photo.
It's a composite that gives you a good idea how tiny, tiny we are compared to what is thrown off the sun.
Can you see that?
Okay.
What page was that again, please?
185. 185.
You've got to recall that I can see these things, but the rest of the audience cannot.
All right.
We were thinking if you wanted to use your webcam, you might be able to do that.
We don't have the way to show them because we haven't got it on the web.
Here is one photo, though, that we can explain.
No, this is great.
I will take a photo of this right now.
It kind of says it, doesn't it?
It kind of says it.
I'm wondering if the Earth is going to have enough resolution to get on the camera.
Put your pin up there and say, under this dot.
There's a little arrow to it, fortunately, so I think I'm going to be able to do it here.
All right.
Now, as far as another CME photo, a few pages before that, on 179, this was a very recent, but small, and underline the word small, CME event.
And for the person that's not looking at the book, it is four timed elapsed photos of the sun shooting off an actual CME.
And the middle ball in this picture is an actual satellite image of the sun.
And then there is a shield around it, that if you didn't have the shield there in place, you wouldn't be able to see what the ejecta actually looked like.
In the first photo, the sun It's very hot in all four corners, if you will, of the sun.
When you look down to the second photo, there is a blast off the upper left-hand side of the sun that is already just about two and a half times the size of the diameter of the sun.
That is a single CME, and it's not at its full explosion at that point.
When you look down there at the third photo, and this is only a matter of two and a half minutes later, that whole explosion has blown up to three times the size of the diameter of the sun.
And the fourth photo is about four times the size, and at that point in time, only three and a half, four minutes have elapsed.
That's how quickly that I've got a question for you.
Let us go back to the first photograph, the one I just put on the studio cam.
You see the sun and the relative size of the sun.
Then you see this horrid, evil-looking flare that would appear to be, to the naked eye, about halfway between the sun And the Earth, if distances are relative here.
They're not.
They're not?
No, no.
We had to squeeze them up so you could see the relative size.
Okay.
Well, anyway, and then you can see the Earth, and you'll see a little arrow pointing to the Earth, folks.
It's pretty, it's, I'm not sure what the right word is, daunting, I suppose, to look at this.
It's on my studio cam right now.
Or you could imagine if you had it on a piece of paper, you know, a letter-sized paper in front of you.
The whole, if you drew a diagonal line from the upper right corner to the lower left corner, that whole left side would be just the southern corner of the sun.
And then there's a thing about, what would you say, the fifth of size of that in between that side of the paper and the lower right hand corner, where that corner would be the earth, that little tiny dot down there.
Right.
Huge!
Anyway, I'm taking the air here.
You tell me about that Noah's Ark thing.
Oh, the last thing I want to say about the CMEs.
Every morning, Stan drags down the MPEGs, the movies of the sun and what's happened.
This truly is just a middle-of-the-road CME.
If you would look at the furthest portion of the matter ejected off the sun, it's about four times the diameter of the sun.
We have seen them easily six times the diameter of the sun.
And they are coming As often as six times a day.
They're not always reported on the net, but when we have the satellite information right there in front of us, we can count how many are coming off the sun.
It's massive.
It really is incredible.
All right, on to the Ark.
Yeah.
About the Ark, when you said that you'd gotten the pamphlet in your mailbox, we had a very similar thing happen here.
And bear in mind this is the lucky country where nothing bad ever happens.
About six months ago on the TV, I should probably preface this by saying our website is Noah's Ark and we've got the symbol of the Ark up there.
On the TV they had a Noah's Ark marching across the whole viewing portion of the TV set With a warning that saying, if this had been an actual emergency, you would have been instructed to tune to your radio for information.
Right.
Nothing else was said about it, but when you think about Noah's Ark, it was in reference to an enormous event, the flood.
Of course.
It wasn't like a little tornado or a little monsoon.
Well, I guess they just intended that to be a symbol of, well actually, not just disaster, but Armageddon.
I was about to say, it's just a symbol of disaster, but when you consider Noah's Ark, it isn't that, is it?
No, it's worse than Armageddon.
It was the end of civilized life on the planet.
Yeah, that's right.
But this was put out by EMA and the other emergency management teams here in Australia.
Now, they're not being terribly vocal about it, but they are starting to get people to think that, gee whiz, we probably ought to be doing something.
What's out there?
And what do they know that we don't know?
You know, one thing is interesting.
They emailed us from that emergency manager thing and said, look, could you please put links to our site on yours and we will send you more information you can put up.
Did they really?
They certainly did.
That was a year and a half ago.
Now why would you think they would have done that?
Funny?
So, funny? Art, listen, you know, you and I have done this before, pretending that we
were the guys in charge of the government to announce this kind of stuff.
If a real disaster is on the way of any kind like that that's going to be potentially disruptive to the community across the country, preparing the people, you don't just come right out and just tell them outright.
I think you do have to kind of lead up to it so that they gradually start to prepare rather than just panic.
It's a simple matter of resources.
Like if everybody in America, you know, you were talking about that food during a commercial there a couple times back.
Sure.
If everybody running up to right now said, oh gosh, we do need to prepare.
Let's go buy three or four months worth of food from the shelf.
Absolutely impossible.
Impossible.
They couldn't do it.
It would collapse the whole system.
That's right.
So I think that when you and I kind of have a chuckle about, you know, why are they doing this?
Well, we know why.
And it's It's to get people prepared for real disasters.
They don't waste money and time on stuff.
Not like this, anyway.
Right, you are.
Alright, we'll listen to you two.
Would you like to take some calls?
Do you have any other information that's a must get out before we begin to have a dialogue with people on the phones?
One other thing, Art, yes.
Sure.
We're hearing from folks, disturbing as it is, through lots of email and so forth, That people think if they get through Y2K, they're home free, there's no sweat.
Right.
And they're talking about checking their goods.
What am I going to do with all my fuel?
What am I going to do with all this food, for heaven's sakes?
I don't need my generator.
How am I going to get rid of this stuff?
We cannot impress upon people firmly and strongly enough, hold on to what you've got.
There are things coming that's going to probably make Y2K look like a cakewalk.
I'm trying to think of how to respond to that.
Obviously, you're referring to the weather changes documented by, for example, that cold spot in the Atlantic.
That's weird.
I tell you, I just co-authored a book with Whitley Streber called The Coming Superstorm.
You want to talk about chillingly synchronistic, what I've been hearing about the Atlantic
recently.
God, we don't people do that.
Does it say something about that, does it?
Oh, yes.
Yes, yes, yes.
I can't give it away.
But chillingly- When are we going to see this book?
December.
Probably mid-December, something like that.
It's going to be a big book.
It's called The Coming Global Superstorm.
I guess I can say that it's a big book.
It's called The Coming Global Superstorm, and I guess I can say it has something to
do with the Atlantic and rapidly changing temperatures in the Atlantic.
So you can see why it kind of gave me a little chill when you talked about that cold spot
sucking in warmth.
Well, I'll be darned, I can see why.
Listen, while we're talking to these folks, for the internet guys, do you have a link up to our site on your thing?
Does Keith have one up?
Yes, we do.
All right, well, they can dive in there and look at a few of the pictures.
I think we have one of the meteor impact...
NASA artist, Don Davis, who drew or painted, there's probably, I don't know, 10 photos
Good.
from the book there, some color, some black and white, to give people an idea of some
of the things we're talking about, which might help if they can't see the webcam, obviously.
Other than that, have them go to that site and they can get a bit of a blurb in the details
of each chapter.
We've got it outlined there so they can see exactly what we're talking about and why they
need to prepare.
Well, what we need to do, and it's a fine line to try and walk indeed, is to scare people
enough so that they'll go do something, but not scare them so much that they bring on
a catastrophe by their own actions.
And that's a really hard, fine line to walk.
It certainly is.
Alright, well let's see what's out there.
Let's pick up a few phone lines.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan and Holly Dale in Australia.
Hi.
Hi, it's Kathy from Woodbridge, New Jersey.
Art, how the hell have you been?
Well, thank you for getting through, Kathy.
Welcome to the program.
Ah, this is my favorite subject, survival.
You know, there's a day that goes by that I am the number one pack rat of the family.
And I go to the store almost every couple of days, and it's not because I'm running out of things.
I'm sort of looking for different things.
I have packaged, in case we have to leave our house, You have to think of that, right?
Sure.
I saw some very nice waterproof knapsacks, and I said, you know what these things would be good for?
Packing in small survival blankets, survival kits, water, herbal remedies, whatever I need.
If we each grab one and we have the car packed sufficiently, both of our cars are packed, and we have to get out of here for even a couple days, we will be okay.
People don't think that while they're saving for the food, Or just any kind of disaster.
Because weather's going to be terrible this year.
I can feel it.
I know.
It's 32 degrees here in New Jersey tonight.
Is it?
I don't know what's going on, Art.
42 degrees.
Did any of you remember Mr. Holliman?
He worked for CNN.
Yes, of course.
John Holliman passed away in a car accident.
Yes.
John Holliman, about four months before that happened, was sitting with a panel on CNN Talking about El Nino.
He looked at them and he said, El Nino, you haven't seen anything yet.
Wait for solar flares, CNE.
And there was a hush, Art.
No one said a word.
And I'll never forget that.
Would you like to comment from Australia?
I think she's absolutely right.
John Holliman was a science reporter for CNN before he met his Untimely, early, tragic end.
And as she pointed out, he sat there and said exactly what she just repeated.
Well, certainly, we think the sun will be instrumental in causing the most problems here.
And it's the hardest thing to get away from because they are almost global events.
They affect everybody.
It's not an earthquake that's localized.
The other thing that Kathy touched on is really, really good preparedness, Kathy.
is having the packs in your car.
One of our web friends here that's in our building community group, they were in the tornadoes in B.B.
this past January.
Yes.
B.B.
Arkansas.
Yeah, B.B.
Arkansas.
Right.
And his wife is a dispatcher and she knew that they weren't going to be able to get home and they had three tornadoes.
One landed in their front yard, one landed in their backyard.
And they were in a reinforced hallway with two dogs and the son.
And they had all their survival stuff in there, their blankets, their flashlights, candles
and oil lamps and the whole nine yards.
His wife, Karen, can't get home.
But she had her 72-hour kit in her car and she was able to have food and water and warm
clothing and all that right there where she needed it.
Right after the tornadoes hit, martial law was imposed and all the water was turned off.
Bye.
And they had filled the tub up and these people were in their own yard the next day and martial law told them to go back inside their home.
That's right.
You could, if you were a resident, you could leave the premises, but you are not allowed in.
And Kathy being a dispatcher, when she finally tried to get back into her home, was stopped four times in a space of two miles.
So it's good, good, good planning to have, whether it's summer or winter or whatever, it's very good planning to have your 72-hour packs in your car.
Can't depend on authorities because they will, if necessary, impose martial law.
There are plans well in place for all of that.
And whether or not they will then see to it that your needs are cared for, I think is highly suspect.
But they will indeed, as was just pointed out, keep you in your home.
So if you're not prepared, then you're not prepared.
Right.
I think they don't want to scare people, but they need to start preparing.
It's a function of personal responsibility.
Well, there's one more thing, Stan.
Sorry.
I think that you should tell everybody what you really do believe.
I think you believe that whether they make use of an emergency that is Something they're aware is coming, or they perpetrate one.
It is your belief, isn't it, that we're going to end up with martial law and with some kind of severe control, whether it's trumped up or real?
Well, I think, globally, I move outside the United States.
Globally, we are heading for a consolidation of power on a massive scale.
Whoever wins in the conflicts that are starting now will end up being a totalitarian structure of some sort, because our technology is so advanced on the planet, and it's not all just in America or Europe, that people can be monitored, you know, wherever they move on the planet, and we're heading toward a global government, and that will require In the early stages of it, something like martial law.
It'll certainly be very, very strong and they'll have authority probably to kill people on the spot if they don't kowtow to what the new orders are.
How far away from something like that do you think we might be?
We could be two or three months away.
We could be a year or two away.
What I'm watching is this, is the United States.
As soon as the United States gets in severe trouble, I think all heck is going to break loose across the planet because there are going to be opportunists trying to Bring America down then.
If you have a state, say for instance, say next month.
You mean there's nations that would want to bring us down, Stan?
I know that's a surprise.
God!
We'll be right back.
Stay right there.
Baboon Rising, indeed.
listen to the words of this one alright uh... i've got a couple of questions that i've got
a fire down to australia and then we'll go back to the uh... phone lines
Thank you.
Question number one, and these are not going to be easy ones, Stan.
Question number one is, it was told to us that you were aware, or you knew, what the third secret of Fatima is.
Do you in fact know what the third secret of Saddam is?
Well, what I had told him, he was by a Jesuit priest who was apparently privy to this in the Vatican when the Pope
had...
Was it John XXIII that opened it up?
I can't remember who was the one that opened it up.
I believe once previously you sort of expounded on this a little bit and then I had Father Malachi Martin on and somebody asked him if your description of the third secret was accurate and he said And the Father had seen the third secret.
He was advisor to two popes.
He'd actually seen it himself.
He said, what you said sounded correct.
I remember that.
That's why I'm bringing this up.
Well, part of it was, when the pope had opened it, it was in the late 50s, as I recall that the priest said to me, when he opened it, He fell to the floor in a dead faint after he read what the Third Secret said.
Right.
The reason that he thinks that he fainted first was because, or primarily, was because it said that the last Pope would be an anti-Christian Pope.
That he would turn against the faith and he would lead the flock astray.
Now that's what I had told you That's correct.
That's what he's referring to.
What else do you know?
It's a difficult subject.
on the line, I think, just right after that, and you got to ask that.
That's correct.
That's what he was referring to.
Yes.
What else do you know?
Well, it's a difficult subject.
If you want to refuse to answer this, you're welcome to, but if you do know, you should
tell us.
Well, I'm trying to figure out...
Well, first of all, okay, I suppose if the first part was correct, the rest of it may
be as well, but understand, Ollie and I try to interpret ancient prophecies from a lot
of sources, and primarily now the biblical ones, because they seem to be fairly...
Exactly.
Exactly accurate, as far as we can tell.
Yes.
But we look at Nostradamus, and like, what was her name, Mother Shipton in England, it was her mistake for being a witch, because she said these things in the Bible.
But what I think was in that third secret was about the failure of the church, of the Roman Catholic Church, and the Protestant children of it, in that they would be overthrown by a new military-political complex that would be global in nature, and it would turn on the church and destroy it.
Before that happened, the last pope, of course, would concede to them in an effort to make peace, and that's kind of why I think he thought it would be like the Antichrist or something, or false prophet or something.
And we have been trying to analyze this to see some other way from the Bible, but in the book of Revelation we're seeing that it's basically what it's saying is that the Catholic, Protestant, the Western, you know, Christian religions have turned, or will have turned, away from the original teaching so far that they will be treated like a harlot in the Bible it says and will be consumed by a consortium of political powers that will turn on it and destroy it.
I think they call it Babylon and you know for a long time I've wondered whether America was Babylon but it couldn't be.
It's like the third secret was saying I think it's going to be an apostate religious Well, the one thing that Father Malachi Martin said to me was, Art, if you can imagine and close your eyes and imagine the worst thing possible, it is worse than that, Art.
That's what he said.
Well, a lot of people are going to die if the rest of it follows.
And I must confess, I can only remember parts of it.
It was, what, 25 years ago that I sat and was Would that description sound accurate to you, though?
Yes.
Holly has put in her book, and I've put in my books, and we've said it in your program before, it is so bad, what we're seeing in our technical science is coming so close to the beginning of what we see in the prophecies in the Christian faith, in the apocalypse, you know, the really heavy stuff, that we really can't say to anybody That's a safe place, that's a safe place.
All we can say is get your spiritual part in order, your soul in order, get right with God, because the chances are that half the planet is going to be dead before the next ten years or so, maybe even less.
If I understand what it said correctly, we've still got to have another Pope come to power.
Holly, do you have anything to add to that?
Just that the natural disasters, Whether it's meteor impact, the sun getting hot, drought, famine, all those things are prophesied in Revelation.
It is spooky.
And the more you get into it and you understand the symbology and kind of weed off all that stuff and don't be put off by it, it's all there.
It's all there.
And in fact, that information is so prevalent all the way around Back in sixth grade, Sunday school class, we had to read the Bible.
Well, when I got down to Revelation, I thought, what in the world are they talking about?
I don't get this at all.
But the things like earthquakes stood out and, you know, really dire prophecies.
And I thought, there's got to be an easier way to get to this information than through Revelation that I don't understand.
And 30 years after that time, I read New Age stuff.
If it were printed, I'd read it, and just put my teeth into everything I could.
Two things came out of that.
One, we were headed for intense birth changes, and two, there was a lot of conflicting information out there.
Everybody supposedly thought they had it right, and if they all had it right, it should all be the same.
So, in the last year or so, I've gone back to the Bible and really started delving into it.
And, you know, maybe I wasn't supposed to understand it back then.
Maybe I was supposed to read all this other stuff in the interim time.
But through a couple of other authors that have written wonderful commentaries, it's like the blinders have been removed.
And everything that you read about in New Age material, The things that we're seeing from science and the things that are happening on the planet is predicted in Revelation.
She's really been working hard at this.
I've got to tell you, she gets up in the morning and a couple of hours before I do and she's got her notebook out and she's poring over this stuff and finding out new things about the coding, which are quite logical.
It's nothing super secret.
You've just got to sit down and read and study this stuff.
I know it sounds like we've fallen into that category of your fundamentalist Christians, and maybe we are if you've got to put a label on it, but we try to be hopefully a little objective in understanding what that book says and compared to current events in science.
We are quite sure we're at very close to the changeover from life as we used to know it to what's going to be for another thousand years very shortly.
The earth changes that the Hopi Indians have talked about are just a reflection of what's in the Bible.
I mean, remember when I told Holly I'd been over to see the Hopi Indians, and they were building underground kivas or igloos out of thick mud underground for the heat?
Oh, I know what they believe.
Well, you're close out there.
You know what I'm saying.
Yes, I know exactly what they believe.
Stan, leaving that for a second, a couple of other questions.
Would you please ask Stan and Holly About their take on the situation in East Timor, specifically with regard to the former Suharto plan to invade Australia.
Okay.
Now, Holly will chip in here where she feels like it, I'm sure, because she wrote about this in the book.
Believe it or not, she's got the lines drawn in there showing about the Suharto government was taking the top half of Australia, claiming it as its own.
And then she showed where Douglas MacArthur had established what was called the Brisbane Line, the southeast corner of Australia, which would be defended, the only place they could defend in World War II if the Japanese invaded.
Well, now then, that Brisbane line is being seriously rediscussed as we can defend Brisbane,
Sydney, and Melbourne, and Adelaide.
And all those cities and towns in that southeast corner are all going to be able to defend if the Indonesians come down.
Now, my eldest son in Australia is in the Australian Army, and at present is in training, getting ready to be shipped up to Timor.
Now, he's still not covered by any secrets yet, so he's told me what's been going on up there, and I don't know whether you would have heard about it in the press, but When the Australian troops went out there to peacekeep and to be a caretaker kind of government, while the transfer of power went from Indonesia to the Timorese, when they arrived, when the 2,500 troops arrived, there were poles all through the town of Pili, I think it is, in Timor-Fort Worth, and these poles had heads, fresh cut heads, stuck on them.
These guys are really kind of nasty business.
I mean, they're gross.
And we've already had two boys shot in an attack.
There was an attack on Australian troops yesterday, I think it was, and they survived it.
Their whole section was attacked, ambushed, and they killed two of the enemy and the rest got away.
But now then, they've changed it from a peacekeeping status to now it's a military action in Timor.
We've crossed the line as of today.
Here in Australia, fully expect the Indonesian Army to turn on us and come for us shortly.
They have taken our weapons away privately.
They have run our weapons down in the army because of budgets they've put into social services rather than the military.
The same they've done in parts of the states as well.
However, in this case, I'm not too sure But what the Indonesians are going to get a surprise when they come down.
We know they're coming.
We have 19, well at least 19, American research bases here in Australia.
Most of them are underground or way out of the cities.
Right.
I am aware, have been aware for probably 15, 20 years of some of the research that we've been doing there.
And although I will not discuss it openly over the air what kind of weapons we have there, I must tell you that if called upon The Australian Research Defence Network down here can thoroughly protect Australia from the Indonesian hordes coming in.
Whether it happens or not is another question, but that's our main line of defence, is the American presence down here in the high-tech regions.
You don't need soldiers when you've got these kind of weapons, I promise you.
So, we are reasonably certain That they're coming down and we're going to have a conflict here.
How prevalent in the news there in Australia is the situation in East Timor and the things of which you are now speaking?
Daily.
Daily.
Big, big news coverage.
Specials.
There are some channels that cater primarily just to news.
It is always the lead story.
It is going to run... I asked my son what Well, I hope it goes well for you.
If it does occur, I hope it goes well for you and it sounds like you know it will.
run years.
It's not going to be over in a hurry.
He said, we're all getting geared up.
In fact, they've already asked for a budget here to recruit more men and get reserves
trained and ready.
They're going to soak up the army now.
We're going to have a war.
Well, I hope it goes well for you.
If it does occur, I hope it goes well for you and it sounds like you know it will.
After today, Nate was telling us that when those two boys were killed, it has now been
considered a war.
It is no longer just a peacekeeping mission.
Does East Timor, or the Indonesians, should they decide so, do they really have the resources and the capability to come after you?
They've been buying weapons from the United States.
We in Australia have been training them in our tactics and our aircraft.
We do that too.
We train our enemies too.
Yeah.
Oh, it's cleverly done.
And they have 200 million people living on a chain of islands probably the size of three Texas's or something like that.
And we're here in Australia with 20 million people if we really stretch it, maybe 18 and a half.
Yeah.
I'll let you say that in a second, but sorry.
Getting instructions from the boss here.
And the army they've got up there outnumbers what we have in manpower, ten to one.
It's like, remember the Alamo.
Ten to one?
Yep.
Well, that's kind of uncomfortable.
Well, and in view of the size of Australia and the population, it just doesn't seem possible.
I mean, Australia's gigantic compared to all of Indonesia.
That's a lot of dirt, but not people.
Well, that's a good point.
I'll tell you what, there have been a number of scenarios discussed, and we're aware of some of the plans that some of those people or the military have had.
One was freighters coming into port, into our major cities, and out of the freighters at night coming commando teams, which hit our power, communications, water, etc., etc., and just wipe the cities so that the others can come in from, you know, international waters and take the cities.
Obviously we're aware of that.
We've made contentious for that.
Boy, we're sure not hearing about this stuff in America except now.
Eventually, you will probably have to hear about it.
Oh, I fully understand.
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Holly, hold on.
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That doesn't mean it's accurate.
It could be recirculated BS from the internet.
But I feel compelled to read it to you and I'll probably get in trouble for it, but I think I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it.
Stay right there.
Alright.
yeah yeah
yeah yeah we'll do that in a moment
stay right there alright
i want to repeat what i'm about to read you
may be nothing more than internet
recirculated bs garbage
bs garbage But it is all over the internet, and I have it from other sources that I can't really talk about right now.
But you've got to understand that all of it, even from these other sources, could be recirculated garbage.
But I have a fax from Teresa in Florida that I'm going to read.
Which reads as follows, Gerard Bell, do you really think that the government of this country or any other will let you broadcast any information about the three asteroids due to hit November 7th until they are visible with the naked eye and can no longer be denied?
Get real.
They'd shut you down, terminate you personally, blow up your studio, whatever it would take to silence the event, as long as conceivably possible.
There are people who need to know, however.
It has been reported or rumored that one will impact Alberta, Canada.
The other two are Atlantic Ocean impacts off New York shore and slightly northwest of Africa.
If true, There are tens of millions of people that will be wiped out by the wave immediately, right?
And what of the impact blast in Alberta?
The governments are not prepared to handle a seaboard evacuation globally.
The volcanoes on the Pacific Rim would erupt.
You know that stupid law, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
What in the hell would the Midwest do with 40 million coastal refugees?
They're not going to allow people the knowledge to evacuate or prepare because that would cramp the ill-prepared central country infrastructure.
This, in fact, may be necessary just to allow accidental survival of some to continue the human race.
That's it.
That's what Teresa sent.
And, as I said, that may be recirculated, regurgitated internet garbage.
But I can tell you it's all over the Internet, so all I'm doing is reporting on what the Internet is coughing up all over the place, but I do have some other sources on this, and what about you, Stan?
Does that sound anything like what you've heard?
Yeah, I saw the same rumors.
That's what I've been checking on.
I wasn't being specific for obvious reasons, but I've had We've had several reports in the last 48 hours of something else equally disastrous, and I don't know, this isn't from official sources, it's from the Philippines and from the United States.
A couple of Christian folks have been able to, I don't know, have visions and see things just before they happen, like the hurricane Floyd that just hit.
Yes.
And in the summary paragraph on the one I got here, it's just about three sentences long, it says this, This week, if my information is correct, there will be a major, underlying major, devastating earthquake on the west coast of the United States in the next few days.
See below for possible date.
Well, we're due.
We're due, Stan.
I mean, look at where the earthquakes have been, and the U.S.
west coast has been relatively quiet.
We're due.
I haven't checked the map today to see if we've got any pressure buildup or thermals.
I will check a bit later.
These two people have said that it's going to be the beginning of judgments, you know, of this big earthquake.
And certainly, I mean, it may be, but it's like the emails you've been getting on these three asteroids.
You listen to it, and you try to, you know, fathom out from your own kind of inner thoughts whether this is, you know, true or not.
I have no idea, and I want to be very clear about that.
Right now, I know this Only to be truly right, all over the Internet.
And that's how I'm reporting it, as an Internet rumor.
And I don't want anybody confusing it with anything else.
What I just read to you is nothing more at this point, to my knowledge, personal best knowledge, nothing more than an Internet rumor.
But believe me, it's all over the place.
Sort of on the QT.
Right on the heels of what Stan received on that Philippine prophecy came an email from
somebody that I don't know.
Normally, after a while, when you talk to enough folks often enough, you recognize names
and emails, if you don't have the volume of mail that you do, mind you.
This was rather timely, Art.
Right after the Loma Prieta quake in California, it's coming up on the 10 year anniversary,
USGS, underwritten by Red Cross, was asked to put together a pamphlet, which they did.
A 24-page, full-color pamphlet, telling people exactly what to do, how to mitigate damage, protect yourself, and so forth.
They are redoing that pamphlet, and there are 3 million copies of this in print.
It's done very well.
They are releasing a new one in one week's time on the 14th.
And in the old pamphlet, they also explained about there being a big quake in the Bay Area.
The big one?
By the year 2020.
In this new pamphlet, it does not give you a clue what it will be, but they have updated the probabilities in this report.
And it also includes the entire Bay region.
And the quote is, making preparedness message more vital than ever.
What do you need, an engraved invitation?
Yeah.
Well, they say the 11th of October in this Philippines guy thing, he said there's going to be a volcano erupting, he saw a huge earthquake on the 11th of October on the West Coast somewhere.
Well, gee whiz, we've only got three days.
All right, listen, you two.
I know that you've got the book out, Holly.
The book is not in American bookstores, and so I would like to ask you what people can do to get your book.
Well, actually it is, and it's handled by John and Katie Miller at Phantom Bookshops.
They handle all of Stan's books, but this book was, as you can tell, Lots of pictures, lots of photos, and so forth.
It was very expensive.
Oh, I'm sure it was, yes.
To reproduce, or to produce.
Must have cost a fortune.
And, as a result, we really can't afford to have a middleman in there.
So, John and Katie do handle it in Phantom Bookshops, and Stan has the phone number for folks that are not on the Internet.
And you can also order directly through our website.
Dan York, who has graciously set up A shopping cart for us.
It is now a secure site and can be directly ordered over the net.
Alright, that's good and we have a link up for people on the Internet.
Stan, for people who are not on the Internet, there is a phone number?
There certainly is.
I've got Santa Book's phone number in Ventura, California.
Alright.
It's area code 805-641-3844.
805-641-3844. I'll say it for you again, 805-641-3844. This is a very serious book, folks.
It's called Dare to Prepare, and it is full of all kinds of extremely valuable information.
It's by Holly Dremendale, D-E-Y-O, and you can get it by calling area code 805-641-3844.
And I know a little bit about the book business, because I've had a couple out, and I know this book must have cost you a fortune to produce.
We hocked our first born, let me tell you, for this one.
Well, I wish you well with it.
Certainly the timing is just about right.
Well, this is when we did it, Art.
We knew that people had to get the information in a form that they could absorb rapidly and it would stick with them.
Pictures do that as well as the writing.
You know, I mean, you've done that.
Before this hour ends, I want to add one more thing, and that is, Ladies and gentlemen, there is a breaking news story that's going to break in the Dallas Morning News with respect to what did, in fact, occur, what was known about Waco.
And this is going to blow the top off everything.
So you might want to check it out.
It's by Lee Hancock.
And it's going to appear in the Dallas Morning News.
Today is Dallas Morning News.
And I think a lot of people are going to be very angry when they read this.
I just wanted to get that in.
A wild card line.
You're on the air with Stan and Holly Dale in Australia.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, I'm Jessica from La Crosse, Wisconsin.
Please bear with me.
I have a cold.
That's quite all right.
All right.
Thank you, Art, for accepting my call.
I've spoken with you many times and I have everything under the sun, no pun intended on the sun, from C. Crane Company.
However, please don't clip me off.
I'm on an AM radio.
You keep fading in and out.
Okay.
Okay, the last name spelled again.
Nice meeting you Stan and Dolly.
Nice meeting you.
You're welcome.
Is your last name spelled D-I-S-M-D-O-G-E-Y-O?
Yes ma'am.
Okay, I got that and I did get the phone number.
I wanted to ask you one quick question.
We have a Y2K Monday through Friday for five minutes on 1410 WISM radio.
The man said about the water.
Well, I have 22 bottles now for me and my cat.
The boy has left the home.
Does he believe in Y2K?
Oh, well.
Anyway, he says that the water, even though it's sealed, lasts only three months.
If this is true, I'm in big trouble.
Well, there is something you can do about that.
Actually, all the information we've run across with Red Cross and the other Agencies like EPA.
If you store tap water, which you assume it's been treated and chlorinated.
No, this is from the store.
Your bottled water.
Uh-huh.
You'll have to look at the expiration date because it doesn't have one.
Do the wild thing at 775-727-1295.
No.
Do the wild thing at 775-727-1295.
The problem with purchasing bottled water, if you buy particularly distilled water,
those are in biodegradable jugs.
And those jugs will not last themselves beyond six months.
Okay.
And that's already sterile.
That's good water.
Yeah, this is distilled.
You don't have the minerals in distilled water that your body needs.
So, at least it's not three months.
It is six months, right?
I'm talking about water that is tap water.
That's six months.
She's talking about chlorinated water versus... Yeah, right.
Okay.
As far as your water that you purchase from the store, you need to look at the expiration date that is on that container.
They don't have one.
Okay.
That's all over.
Well, I guess my first question is, why are you buying water when you can get it free?
Well, I didn't know.
I didn't know.
In other words, Holly's saying that the chlorinated water has a better shelf life, probably, than that which you buy in the store.
Right.
I'm glad I found that out.
It doesn't cost you anything.
Right.
Take a two-liter pot model.
I've already done all that.
Sterilize that and put in your water.
Now, if you don't want to change it in only six months, Put a squirt, an eyedropper full of chlorine in there.
Right.
I know that.
And you'll be good for a couple of years.
Okay.
I have empty milk jugs that are really clean, so I'm going to do that on the tap water and the bleach.
I know about that.
Don't do the milk jugs.
Okay.
Those milk jugs are not going to last beyond six months.
They will degrade.
Oh, I see.
You have water everywhere.
I see.
Just use the two liter bottle with the tap water.
Yeah.
Okay.
Alright.
Is it a glass jug?
Is it a glass jug?
No, no, no.
Plastic.
Yeah.
Those don't last.
Then he was right.
He was absolutely right.
Okay, one last question.
I think, Art, you might have to clarify this for me.
I think it was last night, the minister, Stan, somebody came on.
Yes.
Said he had four dinosaurs.
Yes.
There was another gentleman that came on and he said down in Australia, they are not dinosaurs, they are lizards.
That's right.
That you have lizards in Australia that look just like dinosaurs.
We do.
I tell you what, if you want one of them to kind of run up your leg, they're big fellas.
Four, five, six foot long.
Are they really?
Oh my God, four or five or six feet long.
That is a dinosaur.
No kidding.
Like the Codota.
Alright, listen ma'am, thank you very much for the call and Stan and Holly, you have a choice now to hang around or we could terminate at this hour.
Your choice.
We're easy here.
We're just not coming to evening.
Just coming to evening.
Alright then, stay right where you are.
And with the subject matter in mind, this song would seem completely appropriate.
I'm Art Bell.
Well, all those past decades, they've been so hard to find.
I tried to wait for you, but you have never come by.
Whatever happened to our love?
I wish I understood it.
It's just a phase from life.
It's Anne of Australia and welcome back you two.
Hello.
Hi there.
We probably want to lay as heavily as we can into the phone lines this hour and just let people ask you questions, if that's okay with you.
Sure.
Listen, one thing I thought to tell you is just as an interest point, on our website, We have some new pictures we've just put up.
One of the pictures is of our storage area where we've got, you know, food and things put in a storage niche, you know, in our warehouse type thing.
Sure.
And it shows people how we've arranged things.
I mean, it's kind of got stuff on the floor still because when we took the picture we hadn't put everything on the shelves.
But we've got that plus some pictures, some really nice color pictures we've put up that we took in the last week.
How do you feel about living near a volcano?
Not a problem.
farm around here using a Nikon Coolpix 950 camera, which is absolutely wonderful.
It just makes tremendously high resolution color pictures and you just shove backwards
into it and that's all you've got to do.
We've taken those and put them on the web so you can see what it's like down here next
to the volcano where we live.
How do you feel about living near a volcano?
Not a problem.
It's being quiet and leaving us alone, so we're leaving it alone.
All right.
Well, again, your website, of course, is linked to mine.
A lot of people are used to going to mine, so just get on my website, as usual, and scroll down to Stan and Holly's name.
Click on that, and off you go to their website, and you can see what they're doing.
All right, here we go.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Stan and Holly Dale.
Hi, Holly.
This is Kimberly from Dayton, Ohio.
Kimberly.
I'm glad your book's out.
I've got a question for you though.
Years ago I had prepared like becoming a nurse so if we had martial law or something I could get around basically and could barter my services.
My question is how are we going to get through with should we buy silver or gold or should maybe we buy food as a bartering tool?
Which one should you invest in more or maybe gold or silver?
And also what are we also going to do about like antibiotics and things that we have to get a hold of there?
All right.
I have some suggestions about the latter.
What do you think about the bartering scheme?
If things fall apart, what recommendations do you make, Holly or Stan?
It depends on how much money you're speaking of.
If you're talking about $20,000, obviously you're probably not going to want to put all of that into food stuff.
But you can't eat silver, and you can't eat a gold coin.
If you're looking for the short hedge over Y2K and then want to cash back out and put those funds back into the market or whatever, very possibly, yes, you want to put some money in coins.
But as Stan and I have always said, it's best to have the hard goods.
You can either consume those yourselves, whether it's medical supplies, a pup tent, food things, beverages, or Whatever else you might need in a disaster, those things are good for yourself or for bartering.
Alright, she asked then about antibiotics, and I will offer this much without saying anymore, because I don't want to specifically have anybody break the law, but there are other countries around the world that do not require doctor's prescriptions for antibiotics.
That's just a piece of information people might find on the back of their minds.
Other than that, Holly, what would you suggest to somebody who might, in the middle of some sort of emergency, get an infection and not have access to a doctor to write a prescription?
What we have done here, Art, is look around for a doctor that is a little bit heads up and just say, hey, you know, we're going out on a long trip.
We're going to go out into the bush.
Tim may not be back for a month or two.
Would you set us up with some antibiotics?
And you just have to do a little checking around to see who is amenable.
Did you have a difficult time finding a doctor who would do that?
Yes.
So it's going to take a little checking around and unfortunately, well I don't know, I wonder if it's stricter there in Australia or here?
Well, I think they're fixing to outlaw colloidal silver as well.
No, I hadn't heard that.
Now, we have that from some people that distribute it.
They're into herbal remedies.
It's looking to be put under FDA jurisdiction and that it would not be obtainable through the net.
Well, I noticed that in your book there are very simple instructions on how to make your own colloidal silver.
That's the whole point.
It's so simple to do yourself, then outlawing it is just ridiculous.
I must inform you, I have not made up my own mind about the effectiveness of colloidal silver.
It may be effective in some situations, but with regard to protection from cold viruses and the flu and so forth, forget it.
Because I'm telling you, I went on a trip and I took some colloidal silver with me and I drank it.
And I snorted it, and while I was on the airplane, I did everything.
I damn near bathed in that stuff the whole time, and I came back, and I got the worst flu I've ever had.
Well, again, you said it was virus versus bacteria.
We were talking strictly bacteria, and it may be effective for that.
You know, the Roman army used to equip its troops with fresh garlic, because it contains a natural antibody called allium.
That's right.
When all else fails, maybe that would help.
I'll tell you another interesting thing.
If you've got wounds that are infected and you're thinking, well, you know, gangrene and all that, it sounds gross, but Princes of War from the United States in, was it World War II, I think it was, discovered this, that if you let flies, blow flies, blow larvae into the wound, they will clean it out and you can scrape them off.
You really are right.
That sounds gross, but whatever works, huh?
Beat the alternative.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Stan and Holly Dayo in Australia.
Hey, good morning Art and Stan and Holly.
Good morning.
This is Dan in Virginia.
I believe it was July 29th, there was a crop circle that showed the eclipse and I believe there were three objects on the outside of the eclipse.
Yeah.
And then I believe they took pictures during the eclipse that verified that.
I think Richard Hogan was talking about that on your show about six weeks ago.
That's right.
And I was just wondering if... Those three objects might be the same three objects that were the subject of the facts.
Right.
Yes.
The answer is yes.
That if you want to follow this train of thought, if you want to believe these rumors, that's probably the genesis of them, these objects that were spotted during the eclipse.
Now, again, as far as I know at this stage, nobody out there should treat this as anything more than just a really strong Internet rumor.
It's all over the place, and I don't want to get anybody overly concerned about it.
But on the other hand, I think it's fair to report on something that is ripping its way through the Internet, but I'm reporting on it in that way.
I don't want to hear one person out there say, I said this is going to happen, because I am not saying that.
I'm saying it is a damn rumor.
I hope it's a rumor.
Houston Rockies, you're on the air with Stan and Holly Dale.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, how's it going?
Okay, where are you?
We are in Michigan, and we're watching you on the Internet.
Well, hi there.
You look great.
Can you wave to the camera?
You make everyone here really happy.
I am waving at you now, and you'll see it in about a minute or two.
Thank you, you're the best.
All right, my question to your guests.
A while back, the subject of a totalitarian government taking over Um, maybe even within a few months came up?
Yes.
And, uh, my question is not to the when, but more to the how, because, um, for something like that to happen and for a kind of martial law to take over and control, it would take a lot of people.
And I was thinking that even if, you know, everyone in the American Army and then all the police and all the reserves were brought under the control, I mean, logistically, it seems like it would be impossible.
But even if they did that, do you think that a totalitarian government could really take over that way?
Because if I were in the military, I would want to go find my family.
Well, sir, all control over a civilian population depends on the majority of the civilians cooperating with that authority.
So in other words, if they tell you, stay home, do not leave your home, the breakdown would occur if people A large portion of people said, to hell with that, I'm going down to the store.
Well, obviously, that would be a problem.
So, even current law enforcement, we don't have enough police.
I mean, we've got 260 million people in America, and if even a small percentage of them decided to become unruly all at once, there's not nearly enough police.
Right.
To answer your question, if the people cooperate, then Then I suppose there wouldn't be riots and what we fear is the worst if they don't.
Stan, Holly?
Well, you're looking at it purely as what happens in America to overthrow America from within America by military law.
What I'm talking about is a global picture where I think America may be subtended to a global authority.
And our troops may be put into a new form of United Nations where our troops are taken off somewhere else and somebody else's troops are brought in to do the dirty work.
This will happen, I think, mainly in the wake of a serious disaster.
I mean a big disaster that hits not only the United States but other countries.
During the wake of a crisis, it's very easy to let martial law slip in because that's what brings you food and water and
provides for your security and aid and communication, all that kind of stuff.
And actually, Stan, it's logical.
In other words, in that kind of a situation, martial law actually is necessary.
I can see situations where it would be necessary.
I can also see situations where it could be so easily abused.
Sure.
That does always happen.
We have plans now.
If my government does not have plans to implement civilian control in the case of a major disaster,
then it is negligent.
It must have such plans.
FEMA has them.
Your equivalent of FEMA there in Australia has them.
And they would be negligent not to have them.
Now is somebody cooking up a scheme in a back room to use them for some nefarious purpose?
I don't know.
All right, look.
You know, a lot of people, myself included, when I was a lot younger, complained about a new world order or a world government.
There's nothing wrong with getting everybody under one fair law, under one economy, you know, cultural bias, etc., etc.
There's nothing wrong with that.
But the problem is, from where we are today in the fragmented world states and different religious biases and different political structures, we can't easily Uh, legislate or vote to go from where we are to being whatever this new world order would be.
Right.
It is going to take, as Reagan said, as the former Prime Minister of Australia Robert Hawke said, it is going to take an alien invasion, whether real or contrived, to bring all the nations and religions together long enough to try to set up a world government.
Right.
And that fact still stands.
That's the only hope that they have.
All right, well, we'll see what happens.
I guess it's going to be soon, whatever it is.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan and Holly in Australia.
Oh, hi, Ari.
It's Y2Karl in Seattle.
By the way, the New York Times had that article about the muzzle flashes in yesterday's edition.
If you're talking about the videotaped muzzle flashes at Waco.
No, sir, I am not.
Well, they had an article about that.
They had videotaped several muzzle flashes from the FBI going into the comms.
No, this was far more serious than that.
This is communication they had And they knew that the accelerants were being spread inside the compound.
They actually had audio.
And they went ahead and went in?
They went ahead and used what they used.
You need to read the article.
By all means.
You know, by the way, before I get on a roll here, I know the bass player that played on that in the year 2025.
Oh, really?
He lives here in Seattle.
As a matter of fact, I also know the editor of the Weekly who ran that Winston ad the other day.
I'd really like to talk to that editor.
Well, you know, I understood that ad right away.
It's about class warfare.
They were implying, because they're appealing to, like, educated, college-educated yuppies, and they're implying that abductees are trailer trash.
They're lower-class white people.
And that was how I read it, and I think that was the pitch, considering the magazine, because it's an alternative Weekly.
And that's exactly who the demographics are going for.
Well, why would they... Stan probably doesn't know what we're talking about right now.
Because that's a received opinion of people who don't believe in that stuff.
But according to a lot of statistics, they're also the people that use that product.
Well, yeah, yeah.
I thought it was a bit strange, too, when I thought, because I couldn't have... Well, see, there you are.
It doesn't make sense.
I want somebody on from the tobacco company to explain it to me.
I don't want to confuse Stanny, but I don't know about this.
Okay, I'll pass it on to him, because I'm actually trying to pitch him an article about how to call Art Bell.
In the meantime, I've got Stan and Holly here from Australia.
Right, well, okay, I want to just basically make three things that are more statements than questions, but one is, you know, I wish you would cover the WTO meeting, the World Trade Organization is having a meeting in Seattle next week.
I'm very well aware of it, yes.
Because, you know, you talk about an alien invasion, I think it should be the alien invasion of the billionaires.
We have 100 billionaires in the world today, and between those 100 people, they own more They control more of the wealth in the bottom 40% of the income.
I'm well aware of the WTO meeting, and if I can get a good guest on it, and I'm working on it, we'll have them on the air.
Well, that's good.
I'm well aware of it.
Anyway, I'm worried about global warming, especially, but I'm also worried about apocalyptic Armageddon.
Do-mongering, because, you know, I think that the year 2000 is an arbitrary date.
We don't know if Christ was born in the year zero.
Why were you born in 4 B.C.
if we're 2004 by now?
Oh, no.
We didn't say that.
Well, I think that... Caller, hold on.
We're on a break.
Do you want to hold on?
By all means.
All right, good.
By all means, stay right there.
Here's Gordon Weinstein.
I can feel I'm back in a certain dress In a room where you do what you don't confess
Come down, you'd better take care If I find you been creepin' down my back stairs
Come down, you'd better take care If I find you been creepin' down my back stairs
She's been looking for me If I find you been creepin' down my back stairs
Bye.
All right, the article that I told you about in its front page, Dallas Morning News, is going to blow the whole top off the Waco thing.
We presently have it on the links page, but I think it's important enough, and I just talked to Keith, he's going to add it to the news site editions for a while, so we're sure you see it.
That'll be right on the front page, and within moments I suspect you will see a link to it Right on the front page under the area entitled Newest Site Additions.
Let me take a look here.
Not quite there yet, but it'll be there momentarily.
And I do recommend you check out this article.
The whole Waco thing is about to blow sky high.
Believe me, sky high.
Stan and Holly, are you there?
We are.
We're here.
Okay.
Back to the phones we go.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Stan and Holly in Australia.
Hello.
Good morning.
Good morning, sir.
Where are you?
This is John.
I'm calling from Erie, Pennsylvania.
Erie.
Hi, John.
How are you doing this morning?
Holly, I wanted to take and commend you a little bit for putting some of the stuff that you have together in regards to the Revelations part.
I was looking at that for years, it hasn't made a lot of sense to me, but some of the
stuff that you guys are coming off with, it's starting to look a little scarier.
It talks about, actually what I can see, the closest thing, a meteor shower or something
coming into the North Atlantic, possibly hitting New York City, because it's talking about
the different centers of government just going up in smoke, and people around the world just
you know like wow there goes everything You figure where the World Bank is, Bank England, New York City, Boston, stuff like that, just going for a whack.
Yeah, but these are nothing right now but rumors, sir.
What?
No, but like I say, you know, this is stuff that's in there.
And then it talks about the angel standing in the sun in the next part of it, and with
the solar flares and whatnot, theories that this stuff could really get ... If this stuff
happens, look out.
I think that's exactly what Stan and Holly have been saying all along, right?
Yes.
John, certainly we've approached it from a scientific view to now then try to verify that or to line it up with The Revelation with the Book of Daniel and things like that.
I'm going to kind of give you a little bit of a preview here.
Holly has been working on this stuff, but she's also been creating a huge color image map of the Revelation in images with some titles to say what they're doing that she's going to put on the Internet.
Do you have access to the Internet, John?
I know John's gone.
Oh, is he gone?
All right.
Well, anyway, you can probably hear.
What we're doing is we've been going to a lot of sources trying to figure out where people say, this is the way you interpret, that's the way you interpret, and we've tried to put those areas on there, and Holly's done a really good job of it, to show, well, one group says this, one group says that, but either way, here is what signs to look for in the heavens or in the earth, what events.
Certainly, the sun, this behaving, plays a very big part, and so do falling asteroids or meteor.
Well, that's what gives, if it is a rumor, that's what gives these rumors the power they have.
And no man shall exactly know the time of whatever it is, and then on the other hand, you've got to at least, when you start getting this stuff from so many different sources, You've got to at least acknowledge it is a wild rumor all over the place, and if you're not on the Internet, you wouldn't know about it unless you listen to this program, I suppose.
So, it's probably a rumor.
If you're a biblical scholar, it's probably a rumor that sounds like it has sound basis to you.
That doesn't mean it's true this time, but it probably means it's going to be true eventually.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Stan and Holly.
Hi.
Hi, good morning, this is Dave.
I'm calling from San Jose.
Yes.
I sent you an article from the USA Today about Cohen established a new military command Thursday.
Did you get a chance to read that?
No, not yet.
Okay, well, what happened, and the other callers were talking about Marshall Lott, Defense Secretary William Cohen, he established a new military command in North Pole, Virginia.
Wait a minute, I'm sorry, I did see that.
Yeah, it's really interesting because one of the quotes here, as it reads, brushing aside concerns about federal troops operating at home, he says, and I quote, the American people should not be concerned about it, they should welcome it.
Well, I don't know.
I don't know what's coming down the road, but when you start seeing these types of movements... I know.
Does it kind of make your eyebrow raise, or is it just me?
No, it's not just you.
We all feel that way, and I am concerned about it.
We all should be concerned about it.
Our troops are to protect our country, not so much from its own citizens as other nations that would do us harm.
And so when you start to see them in our own streets, I think your eyebrow ought to raise.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan and Holly.
Hi.
Morning.
Art, this is Dave in Mississippi.
Hi, Dave.
I wanted to ask your guest, and I have heard, and since they live in Australia, first of all, I have heard that guns have been confiscated down there, including all hunting weapons, all kinds of weapons.
I was wondering if that's true.
They haven't really come around and confiscated.
They've put in a law that said you have to turn them in by a certain date.
Or if you were caught with them after that, unregistered, you were subject to fine and or imprisonment.
They took all kinds of stuff back, several hundred thousand weapons, and they paid for them.
They paid you for your weapons to bring them in.
For a person now then to register a handgun or a rifle or something like that, it would take a minimum of 90 days to get an approval for it.
You've got to go through a lot of bureaucracy and explain why.
You've got to go to some friend's property and kill off feral dogs or cats or kangaroos or something before they can even look at you to give you a permit.
You can't have such a thing for self-defense.
Now, a case in point which I think I mentioned here some time back, we were investigated personally by two officers of the Australian Immigration Department when I ordered a slingshot All for the internet from the states to be sent down here.
It was a really sexy looking thing.
19 bucks worth, right?
And I thought I'd have a shoot at some of the critters getting down around our crops down around the dam.
You know, with some stones and stuff.
Well, we had a personal visit from the Immigration Department.
Two officers came out of an hour and a half drive out of Melbourne.
Came to our property.
Checked it out to see if we were running some kind of a weapons business or an import illegal guns business or whatever because we ordered a slingshot.
And we couldn't have it.
It was illegal.
I asked him why and he said, well it had one of those wrist straps on it.
I said, well what difference does that make?
He said, well it makes the pellets go faster and they're more lethal.
I said, well what happens if I make one of these on my own property and I use it myself?
He said, well as long as you don't leave the property that's fine.
As long as you don't put a wrist strap on it so it becomes a lethal weapon, that's fine.
Otherwise we'd have to impound it and arrest you.
Okay, well that answers that.
Everybody's talking about martial law.
I don't know if you know it or not, but you can access it I think on the internet.
If not, I think you can get copies of it.
Just write Congressman.
But executive orders are in place.
Oh, I know.
I know, and they really have to be, sir.
You know, I mean, there has to be the ability of our government to control a population in a desperate situation.
The only question is whether they're going to use this power for some nefarious purpose.
Not whether it ought to be there.
It ought to be there.
But I realize the opportunity it presents to those who would pervert what they always do.
Well, you know, I understand what you're saying there, and I agree they have to have some kind of order.
But the thing about this, you know, everybody's talking about U.S.
troops coming out in the streets.
But it's not going to be just U.S.
troops.
Look at what happens, sir, to, for example, areas that are hit by large hurricanes in Florida and Texas and Louisiana and so forth and so on.
Inevitably, after about two or three days, the people are angry because the government was, they say, ill-prepared for this emergency.
So, the government gets it both ways.
They get yelled at because they're not prepared.
And they don't move fast enough, and so imagine if there was a giant catastrophe, how angry people would be if there was no help, no control, and people were running amok.
Right, yeah.
So they've got to have those plans.
What we have to worry about is whether they misuse them.
Well, I don't know.
Like I say, you know, of course, like I say, it's not only going to be U.S.
troops on the streets, You know, they've got a lot of foreign troops in our country now.
I'm aware of that, and I appreciate your call, sir.
I think that that would be pretty desperate before they would put foreign troops in the streets because Americans would hate that.
They'd really hate it.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan and Ollie in Australia.
Yeah, hi.
This is Bill in Burbank.
Bill in Burbank?
You're going to have to yell at us.
I can barely hear you.
You can barely hear me?
Is that better?
That's much better.
Okay.
First of all, I'm tempted to go off on any one of several different lines of inquiry that all lead to an apocalyptic doom scenario, but that's a waste of time, I think, because there's so damn many of them, and any one of them would be adequate.
For instance, I've taken all of the various maps that have been prognosticated by some of your guests and others, and after you overlay all of them, there's nowhere that's safe.
Pretty much true, although if you look at the maps of Gordon Michael Scallion and Laurie Toy and some of the others, there are some great similarities.
Right, there are certain congruencies, but then what happens after the, you know, coronal mass ejection scenario or the asteroid or Or the Doomsday War, atomics out of control.
I mean, there's so many things... Well, you know what you do?
You just get yourself in a very uncomfortable position and go... Exactly.
That's why I think it's significant that although I've learned to tolerate the Christians a little bit more, I've come to have a greater respect for what Jesus said, as opposed to what's in Revelations, etc.
I was a Biblical scholar, and I was even tempted to call up the night that you had Hal Lindsey on, and at the risk of doing something that Robert Heinlein said you should never do, and that is always know when to rub blue mud in your belly button, because even though tribal customs and superstitions are not the laws of the universe, knowing when to do so and act like it may very well be one.
Founding Fathers on The End Is Near, but he was so wrong.
Jesus Christ, as opposed to what he said, as opposed to what is said about him, are two completely different things.
When you compare the trials, tribulations, punishments of the Old Testament, or the book of Revelations at the very other end, I mean, from the flood, Jehovah's flood, or The revelations of St.
John the Divine, whom nobody's sure exactly even who he was.
Everybody forgets about the Sermon on the Mount, and that was what the guy that this whole book is about is saying, or if you're a Christian, the guy who it's about.
And it's like, when I hear people talk about preparations, I only think of, well gosh, now the Mormons have a real head start on us.
But that's nothing compared to the people that have the bunkers, like, for the Senate and for the President, the Executive Branch, and who knows what the military has been saving for all of this.
Well, actually, America's major cities also have these bunkers.
It's not well known, but Los Angeles, for example, has a vast underground control center.
Oh, no, I'm sure.
And that could be the whole topic of a show, the underground places and things that are going on.
I mean, there are just so many different things.
I don't have my invitation to the Underground Control Center yet.
Do you have yours?
No, but I'm going to keep my eye on any of the big CEOs of the major corporations, and when they start disappearing, I'm going to try to follow them.
That might be why they have stalking laws now.
That might be.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Stan and Holly and us.
West of the Rockies, call toll free 1-800-618-8255.
Santa Ana, California.
Ernie, hold it.
We have only one rule here, and that is that you cannot give us your last name, so... Oh, I'm sorry.
Let's try again.
You are Ernie?
Yeah.
Hi, Art.
This is Ernie from... calling from Santa Ana, California, listening to you on KOGO Radio in San Diego.
Well said.
The question I have for Stan and Holly is what's been happening with our sun.
I'm getting the impression that our sun may be going through a period of instability with all the solar flare activity.
I have to admit, while you commented earlier, that the sun looks like it's more white than yellow, because I remember the sun I know that sounds like a crackpot thing, but when I was young, to me, it also looked quite yellow, and when one looks at it in a safe way, hopefully, today, it looks quite white.
Yeah, I agree, and I also notice when I work outside at my job, the sun feels like it's more intense.
Well, they know a lot about that in Australia, because I think there is some sort of a law down there that children Must wear something on their head when they go to school because of the ozone problem.
Right, Sam?
Yeah, they had a special hat for school children made, which covers the neck and ears and face.
And they have, in some cases, little wraparound glasses when they're out playing in the direct sunlight on especially high UV days.
But you know that UV index you've got, which runs up, I don't know, 15 or 18, something like that?
It is such a part of life down here that on our weather report every day, they tell you what the UV count is for the day.
They have now begun to do that here as well, Stan.
What kind of numbers are you getting?
I've got a little, I can go measure the UV index myself.
I've got a little instrument here and I can carry it out.
Of course, I'm here in the middle of the desert and I get a lot of 10s.
Well, we get 12s and 14s quite regularly in the summer here.
So, there you are, caller.
Yeah, and Art, another question I had for Stan is what his view is on the so-called sterilization burst I've heard them talking about.
Well, I don't know if he's aware of it.
Let's find out.
Stan, I talked about it earlier.
Scientists are now discovering that suns just like ours, from time to time, Go nuts and sterilize everything around them.
Now, that's an astronomical fact now.
And these are not unstable suns.
These are suns, like ours, thought to be stable and, you know, eventually burning out billions of years in the future.
Every now and then, they sterilize everything about them.
Have you heard that?
Well, I'd heard that, yes, the report said that our star is now classified as a variable energy output star, which is a kind of euphemistic way to say, yes, it will put out more energy and less energy at unpredictable times, and certainly the amount of energy that does come out in some of the cases they've registered in nearby star systems would be enough, as you say, to sterilize or cook or kill life as we know it on, you know, Probably an entire system, if not at least the inner half of it.
All right.
Well, listen, you two, we are out of time.
The program is ending, so I'd like to give either one or both of you an opportunity to say any final words, because that's about all we have time for.
All right.
Lady in the house, final words.
I don't have any final words to add to what Victor said.
Just be logical about your preparation.
Don't go at everything whole hog, and don't forget to live your life.
That's right.
Just be a little bit responsible.
That's right.
And one last thing, if I can.
Certainly, I would encourage people to look for alternatives after we die.
It's very important.
We've mentioned that in every one of our books.
And I think that we're going to have to face the reality that we're going to meet our end a lot sooner than many of us thought.
The book that Polly has written and you can get is called Dare to Prepare, and you can get it on the internet, of course, or you can call the following telephone number.
Area code 805-641-3844.
One more time.
It's well worth it.
This is a book you really want to have.
Area code 805-641-3844.
You two, thank you very much.
Thank you, Art.
It's been a great pleasure.
Thank you, Art.
That's it.
That's it as it turns into evening in Australia.
It's certainly early morning here in North America.
So, we've got the link now to the Waco story that's going to blow the top off the whole thing from the Dallas Morning News.
Check it out on my website.
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