Art Bell hosts Stan and Holly Deyo (Australia) and Colm Kelleher (NIDS), who warn of unpredictable solar super flares—like Earth’s sun emitting sterilizing bursts—amid rising UV levels since 1991, while Kelleher details 70+ U.S. UFO reports, including a silent 60-foot black object in Oklahoma and 1953 Hanford radar anomalies exceeding 80,000 mph. Deyo highlights stationary thermal anomalies in the Atlantic, dismissing November asteroid rumors but stressing preparedness for disasters, including martial law risks and bartering strategies. Their alignment of Revelation’s prophecies with solar/meteor threats underscores a call to stockpile water, food, and medical supplies—logical steps amid potential global upheaval. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning, as the case may be, across all these many prolific time zones, stretching from in the west to the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands with fullest girths, dancing,
beautiful women to the east and the Caribbean in the same visions near St. Thomas and the islands, and down south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, where they definitely don't wear dress skirts, and worldwide on the internet where you'll find all kinds of garb.
And by the way, that worldwide on the Internet part is thanks to Broadcast.com for the distribution worldwide and, of course, the Intel Corporation for their amazing G2 codec that allows...
Come back up to my website on the left-hand side, you'll see streaming video.
And there, behold, you will see me doing the program as well as hear the audio.
And I might say the audio's quite good now.
They really have made some rather significant advances in that area.
Coming up very shortly is Kalim Kadaher from NIDS, and he is going to report back to you on some of the phone calls, the many phone calls and reports they've got on their new hotline, which we will tell you about again, and how some of what they have heard correlates to their own research.
It's really going to be interesting.
That coming up next, and then at the top of the following hour, Stan and Holly Dale.
Stan Dale and his beautiful wife, Holly, are going to be with us.
That should be really quite something.
First time we've ever had Holly on, all the way, of course, from Australia.
All right, we had him on here not long ago, and he announced an amazing new venture of Bob Bigelow's through NIDS.
What all this means is they are opening a 24-hour have opened, a 24-hour hotline number for sightings and for paranormal reporting and all the rest of it.
But it gets better.
They have poured resources and I mean big bucks into having investigators prepared to fly anywhere and actually investigate whatever it is you might be reporting.
Not all will be investigated in that manner, of course, but the obviously interesting stuff is going to be.
In other words, there's money behind this.
PhD qualified people will go and investigate claims of the supernatural, abnormal, sightings of craft, dimensional holes, whatever you might have out there.
If they think it's worthy, they will actually commit resources to have it studied.
Now, Colin Kelleher, Dr. Colm Kellether, PhD, is Deputy Administrator and Director of NIDS.
He is responsible for running day-to-day operations of NIDS, and I bet that's getting to be a busy job, and supervising and managing scientific staff and investigators.
Well, we've had a number of cases that have happened, as I said, right through the United States, but a couple.
One in particular was of interest that happened in Oklahoma on September the 17th.
I can just run through it really quickly because it does have an interesting parallel with one of our cases that happened on the ranch that we work at.
So, really briefly, what happened was that two people were driving in a car between Claremore and Enola, which is in the northeast part of Oklahoma, at about 8.30 p.m. on the 17th of September, which is a few weeks ago.
They were crossing a bridge, and one of the people in the car saw what looked like an airplane at the beginning, told his friend to stop the car.
He got out because it did seem unusual.
Turned out that there was a large triangular craft right over a house that appeared to be abandoned.
But the triangular craft looked like it was searching for something.
It had three beams of light coming down to the ground and moving around.
After the craft left, he obviously got back into the vehicle.
And this is where it gets interesting because his partner in the vehicle, who had appeared nervous at the beginning, insisted that he had seen absolutely nothing.
Some of the audience, I guess, should be grounded by knowing that Bob Bigelow has donated large sums of money to help research in the areas that we're talking about right now and others.
And there was this ranch at an undisclosed location where all of these paranormal occurrences were happening.
And Bob Bigelow simply bought the ranch.
And they have set up a great deal of scientific study on that ranch.
So that's what you're hearing right now.
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Go ahead, Colin.
That's correct.
And the particular area has a long history, actually close to a 50-year history, the immediate environment for unidentified flying objects.
So it was of interest to study it.
But on this particular night in June, it was a moonless night.
And the reason that myself and a second investigator were down there was because a week previous to that, in a small field located on this property, there's an old homestead built about 100 years ago.
And this investigator a week previously had photographed, using infrared equipment, an unusual light in the vicinity of this old homestead, which was about 100 years old.
So we were there on that night to see if we could replicate that.
And as I said, about 11 to 11.30 at night, we were located in a small field about 200 yards by 80 yards, surrounded by tall trees.
And as I said, it was a moonless night, so it was pretty dark.
We had two dogs with us because normally we use dogs as biological sensors.
Unexpectedly, about 80 yards to the south of us, a ball of light blinked on and it was right in the middle of the field.
Obviously, it was unexpected because it was absolutely dark.
There was no source of light there at all.
And then suddenly this blinked on.
It was about the size of between baseball and a basketball from our perspective.
It was a bluish tinge, and it was located approximately about 15 feet off the ground.
It appeared to be hovering.
It blinked off and then blinked on rapidly about three or four times and then just vanished.
Now during that time, I began to trying to photograph it with our infrared camera.
And the person right beside me who had night vision binoculars activated the night vision binoculars just at the end of this sequence of events when the thing blinked out.
Now at the same time, we had a very powerful flashlight.
We're talking about 3 million candle power flashlights, the kind of thing that you can, the law enforcement people use for crowd control.
So we could light up that field.
It's a pretty small field pretty easily with this piece of equipment, which we did after my partner had scanned the area with the infrared binoculars and had seen nothing.
So we flicked on this very powerful, essentially a searchlight and saw absolutely nothing.
So we blinked off the searchlight.
I continued taking photographs.
My partner then started scanning the area with the infrared binoculars.
Actually, at their Generation 3 night vision, they're not actually infrared binoculars.
And actually, that's how we use it a lot most of the time.
I see.
And so my partner was scanning the area with the night vision binoculars when suddenly he reported that there was a large object about 60 feet in diameter located probably less than 50 yards away in the trees.
He started giving me a running narrative.
So I swung the camera over in that direction and started taking long exposure photographs.
Meanwhile, this object, which appeared to be extremely black, diffuse, began to move northwards and appeared to be actually in the trees rather than behind or in front of them.
Can you describe, was there any shape to this object?
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It was shapeless and it didn't appear to have any structure, but it did black the stars out behind it as it moved from south to north in a northerly direction.
So it was definitely solid.
This guy reported this.
It moved probably about 20 to 30 yards very, very slowly, very silently.
Now, the dog's behavior became very interesting once he started reporting this black object because the dogs who had been actually ignoring the ball of light that had just disappeared, they immediately came behind each of us and stood right behind us, crammed up against our legs.
And both of them were obviously focused on the same area where this black object was.
And then my partner reported that the black object was beginning to dissipate.
In other words, it seemed to be folding in on itself.
Folding in on itself and at the same time beginning to get smaller and smaller and dissipating.
And eventually it vanished.
But the interesting thing about this sighting was that I was standing right beside him, admittedly concentrating on taking infrared photographs, but I did not see the same object that he was reporting.
And this would suggest to you, with a wild guess, what?
unidentified
This would suggest to me that there is a very interesting part of the whole UFO phenomenon that really needs to be looked at, and that is the alterations in perception and or changes in consciousness that's associated with these experiences.
Certainly the perception aspect, because that, to me, was a very powerful demonstration that something was visible.
Admittedly, he did have the night vision binoculars on, but I should have been able to see a large object 60 feet in diameter that was essentially blocking out the stars 50 yards in front of me.
Well, I was about to say it must have had solidity to it, but that's a conclusion that perhaps we shouldn't make.
In other words, it may have been emitting some sort of something or another that had the same effect as solidity with regard to the human ability to perceive stars behind it.
What we're dealing with here, we just don't even have the slightest idea.
Hold on there, Column.
By the way, everybody, when we get back, we will give you the hotline number so you can participate in all of this.
level So, something that folded in on itself and disappeared, apparent to one person, but not another.
Again, suggestive of sort of a door opening and then perhaps closing.
I don't know, intriguing.
The kind of work that NIDS is doing, and if you have something to report, something unusual, something like we just talked about, or a sighting you had, or photographs you may have taken, or physical evidence you may possess,
and you would like the possibility of PhD-level scientists coming to you and investigating whatever has happened, then you're going to want to jot down the following information.
The NIDS UFO hotline telephone number is Area Code 7027981700.
This is a significant asset for all of you.
Area code 702-798-1700, soon to be up 24 hours a day.
And I think you can get a message to them anytime.
It's a big asset.
They've got a website address.
I'll give it to you.
We've got a link up there right now.
It is the usual hit up, www.access, A-C-C-E-S-S-N-V, as in Nevada, AccessNevada, accessNV, actually, dot com forward slash NIDS, and as in NORA, I DS.
So they've got a website, and they've got a phone number, and they've got the assets in place.
This to me sounds an awful lot like the other story you told me last time you were on, or the time prior to that, actually, about the hole opening up with something crawling through it, seen by, if I recall, one person but not another.
unidentified
And the person who saw everything was, again, using a pair of night vision binoculars.
And it may be as simple as that, that the key is that there's a lot happening in the infrared part of the spectrum that we're not actually seeing with our own eyes.
But I would have thought that something that was blacking out stars to that extent and was 60 feet in diameter and only 50 yards away should have been visible to the naked eye.
Yeah, but it wasn't because as I was taking these long exposure infrared photographs, I was concentrating on the tripod and the camera, but I was looking up all the time to see that I was aiming properly.
And I just did not see anything.
So this person was standing 15 feet away from me.
So it was a very interesting, I thought, lesson for coming up against corroborative evidence when you're talking to eyewitnesses in other investigations.
Because I'm a lot slower to, for example, dismiss the Oklahoma case I discussed based on the idea that the second person did not corroborate what the first person said.
But I'm still puzzling on what that suggests to us, that there may be a metaphysical aspect of it, one person spiritually open to be able to see this, or it could be a control of the mechanism of whatever the hell it is that's out there, which would enable itself to be seen by one person, but not another.
unidentified
Well, there's certainly a lot of precedent to suggest that there is control of perception operating in some of these bizarre cases.
Well, if that's the case, then an obvious search would be to look for commonality in these hotbed areas, some sort of commonality.
Any sort of commonality.
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Yes, any kind of commonality.
However, within these particular areas, the eyewitnesses that we've talked to, and we're really in one of these areas we're talking about close to 70 to 80 incidents in a particular area, there is a huge spectrum of craft that are reported, huge spectrum of experiences, and commonality is pretty low.
So either we don't have enough data to actually generate patterns yet, or there's some interaction with the perception of the eyewitnesses.
But still, we do have specific areas where there's high activity.
And somewhere there, if we dig deep enough, there's got to be something common about them.
I just don't see how else to go after this.
I suppose if you could come up with that commonality, then you could predict, ultimately, where such occurrences would be likely, even if they hadn't occurred or been seen.
unidentified
Well, one of our biggest challenges in this research is the lack of reproducibility, because every time we come up to speed in a particular hotspot on the methodology and the protocols that we use to investigate a particular case, we're presented with a brand new set of circumstances and a brand new case that has absolutely no precedence.
So we've been moving from new case to new case to new case that have absolutely no commonality.
And that's been a real challenge because people say that investigators Should be trained in certain aspects, but when you're presented with brand new situations almost continuously, that speaks to some kind of a learning curve rather than.
This is why mainstream science has not yet embraced the study of the paranormal because they just can't wrap their hands around it.
unidentified
There's really no reproducibility, and also there's absolutely no control of when and where something is going to happen.
And that obviously there are people in the field of ufology who feel that they can approach being able to attract this phenomena, but in our experience, that has not been the case.
In other words, in this country, worldwide, in fact, we have what most people call flats, where all kinds of stuff begins to happen all at once, and then it goes quiet for a long time, and then boom, there you are again.
Any commonality there?
Full moons, planetary alignments, anything.
unidentified
We've run that whole spectrum of the full moon and the planets and the weather and the time of the day, all of that.
And so far, it's absolutely there's been no patterns that leap out.
However, the beauty of getting new data all the time is that they can eventually, if there's a broad enough baseline, something will emerge.
If your database gets large enough, and I presume that you commit what you consider to be legitimate to some database with data points in each case that can then be correlated by computer.
unidentified
Right.
And right now from the hotline data, which we just started a couple of weeks ago, we've already, we've returned phone calls and begun preliminary investigations on about 50 of the 70 cases that came in.
And the next step is to bring quite a few of them to closure because if there's only a single eyewitness, you can fairly well eliminate the chances of it being corroborated unless from a hotline or coming in in the hotline, another one comes in by random chance, then you have a way of corroborating it.
But usually if there's only a single eyewitness, that's pretty well the end of the case, unless there is physical evidence.
Well, your service, I'll call it, is so attractive because you can actually dispatch PhD-level people into the field and you will to do this at your own cost just for a phone call.
So let's give out that number again, the hotline number.
And I wanted to ask, when is it good now?
When is it live by manned personnel?
unidentified
Well, as of this coming Monday, it's manned from 7 a.m. till 1 a.m., which is essentially, what, 18 hours, 19 hours a day.
And that number, folks, is Area Code 702798 1700, 1700.
702-798-1700.
I think it's a wonderful idea.
And, of course, you're going to have to get a year or two of it under your belt before the database gets big enough, but you are going to get a big database.
unidentified
Yes, I think we are.
And as I said, the baseline, putting in the baseline, I think is the most important part of it.
And from there, from the baseline, we can start comparing.
I think it may just be what happens on the internet, I hope.
So I'll leave it at that.
But I've been asking my guests.
So anyway, the hotline is in the process of expansion.
And what else is going on?
unidentified
Well, we've got other cases.
Obviously, the historical stuff is extremely interesting.
We've got a series of ex-military people who are retired who have been calling us.
And that seems to be on the increase in the last couple of years, that people have seen stuff when they were in the military, and now they feel slightly less encumbered by secrecy.
We got a very interesting case from a radar operator who was during the Korean War.
He was operating the anti-aircraft batteries out on the west coast during the Korean War.
And he reported a phenomenally large formation of UFOs in a circular formation that Came in on his radar screen, traveling about 250 miles an hour, right over the Hanford plant, the atomic plant that was there in 1953.
The interesting thing about this particular case was that as the formation hovered over this plant, individual members of the formation took off and came back.
You know, they left and came back to the formation, but they were coming in and out at speeds that were over the ability of the radar to actually calibrate the speed.
And that maximum threshold is 80,000 miles an hour and was 80,000 miles an hour.
So these things, these single UFOs were coming back to the formation at those speeds and stopping dead.
So there's a way possibly of investigating this that we're looking at right now.
But the bottom line with this one was that there were two radar operators, and the entire formation stayed over this Hanford plant for over 30 minutes, remained hovering, as I said, with individual members leaving and returning, and then the entire formation left on exactly the same flight path that it had arrived, and it went back west over the sea.
And this is one of many interesting cases that we've got that are of historical interest.
We might be able to follow it up, but we're not sure.
Well, you would expect that, you know, especially at low altitudes, that that kind of friction would really destroy most of the technology that we knew of, and especially in the early 1950s.
Well, so you stand ready to take and would like to have more reports.
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Yes.
I should mention that I know two shows ago we said that we had a NIDS publication, a book that's still actually on sale for $15 at the same hotline number.
We'll pause here, and then we'll try and connect with Down Under, Australia, and Stan and Holly Dale.
I'm Mark Bell.
Just one little precursor to the Deos joining us, and that is the following story by Reuters entitled, Antarctic Ice Sheet Steadily Melting.
Check this one out.
A big chunk of Antarctica has been melting for thousands of years and is going to continue to melt until it swamps millions of miles of coastline, scientists said Thursday.
They said there's nothing anyone can do about it.
And unlike other areas of the Antarctic that are melting or were, global warming probably, they said probably was not to blame, quote, during the last ice age, the West Antarctic ice sheet was 1,300
kilometers or 650 miles more extensive than it now is in the Ross Sea embayment, as Brenda Hall of the University of Maine goes on to say that our data would suggest it has been retreating ever since the end of the ice age, probably the last 10,000 years.
Reporting in the journal Science, they said its complete collapse would raise the global sea level by 15 to 20 feet.
Now, where would that put you, I ask?
Consider wherever you are, east, west, south, north.
If sea levels rose by 15 to 20 feet, where would you be right now?
All right, now all the way down to the continent.
They are an actual continent, you know, of, what should we call it?
Part of the book, about one-third, is dedicated to what we see happening with global weather changes, events with the sun, anything that affects our life, as the norm is.
I knew something was up, but I didn't have any hard data.
And it's fine to look at prophecy, but it's better, really, for most of us to have something concrete we can wrap our minds around.
Statistics we can look at from reputable sources like NOAA and EMA and FEMA, NASA, and a whole host, USGS, of different sources.
And that's primarily what this is, for the person that wants to be aware of what's happening and that needs to be able to point to hard statistics to help them convince other family members why we should prepare.
And then the other half of the book is how to do it step-by-step.
A lot of people would take, oh, a very fundamentalist religious view, and that would be indeed why prepare?
Because when it comes, our Lord is going to come back, and all canned food and all the radios and lights that you have won't mean a whole lot as you listen to the horses galloping.
The bottom line is: you do what you can with what means you have and where you are.
We don't advocate that anybody pick up sticks and move into the desert or move into your nearest tent away from everything.
Most of us just don't have a desire to do that, us included.
Dare to prepare is for the urban person, the rural person, the apartment dweller, just us average people.
And it tells how you can make your home safer, how to put away a little food, a little water, your supplies, and a lot of the things will be stuff you have right around home.
Not only does VeriPrepare help you prepare in that manner for emergencies, but it's really good household management, how you can make some of your own cleaners much more cheaply than what you buy them in the stores, how to go into your stores and buy foods at a good price rather than, like Press is buying in bulk.
Everybody's pretty much aware of how that is a savings.
Sure.
There are lots of tips like that, and there are charts upon charts of shelf lives that if you want to buy things up when they're on sale, whether it's cosmetics, paint, caulk, gasoline, your petrol.
Actually, I find in your book chart after chart after chart dealing with every manner of food and nutrition and talking about body weights and how much you should have and all the rest of it.
You obviously have spent a great deal of time researching all of this.
There's a lot of research went into this book, didn't it?
That's basically the same sort of answer that people are getting here, Stan.
There was one written, I had a letter from a power company, and they said we can provide you with power, or we absolutely probably can provide you with power.
The power company did tell us that they are hoping that everyone will not suddenly turn on all their appliances at 12.01 on New Year's Eve because it would blow the grid if they did, to see if it's working and stuff like that.
Holly said to them, well, have you said that in a pamphlet or have you told anybody about it?
And they said, no, because we didn't want to alarm anybody.
So I guess we're just all going to have to wait and see what happens.
But if we were to go for a period of time without power and or without water, which is certainly a possibility, these are things that we really have to prepare for.
The human being doesn't last a whole long time without water, does it?
There are lots of places that you can tuck water into on top of your refrigerator, in bookcases, on top of cupboards if they don't go all the way to the ceiling.
At least do some of those kinds of things.
There are other measures you can take too, which might entail looking into your apartment complex.
Is there a basement?
Can you rent Space down there within your own complex, storage facilities, friends, family members.
You can contra things.
Say, hey, if you'll let me store something here, I'll give you free haircuts or whatever.
Instructions and charts that relate to everybody, how to do everything from composting to feeding your family to storing water to doing all of the things that you ought to be doing.
And even if you don't do them right away, you should have the book.
So just in case you have to do them, you will be prepared.
One of the very first things that we discussed with Stan Dale in Australia was our weather changes.
And we've been doing that now for a number of years.
And the weather has been rapidly changing for a number of years.
And I thought it worthwhile to perhaps inquire, Stan, what you think of the latest mess of weather that we've had about the globe and where it is going from here?
Well, a lot of folks have been asking that of a number of people that should be qualified to answer that.
From my perspective, I can see that the planet is heating up, particularly the oceans, which are the main repository of the heat.
And the North Pacific, from Japan clear across to California and Oregon, spread out like that, is definitely warming, giving signals like it's trying to be an El Nino.
Now, the official position is that we're not going into an El Niño, but a La Nino, the cooler form of it.
Still, if you look across the United States, the northeastern United States and several potties in the southwest, we've got drought, severe drought.
We've got drought down here in Australia, and in fact, Melbourne, which is only about an hour and a half drive from here, announced publicly that they're going to have to go into water rationing because they're down to less than 25% water reserves for the whole city.
Severe water restrictions about to be imposed there.
So these things indicate, from what I can see on the global map, the thermal map, that the heating zones I see in the Indian Ocean, which move clear across Australia and down across New Zealand and over to South America, these are lighter than the ones that are headed for the United States right this minute.
In my terms, I don't care whether you call it a La Niña or El Niño or El Diablo, whatever you want to.
What they're doing, it's a matter of semantics because you've got to have a thermal wall at the equator.
You've got to have a hot zone at the equator coming up from Chile and up off the coast of Central America bending to the left or to the west and stretching out Midway and Pacific.
And you've got to have that thermal barrier.
If you don't have that, it's technically not an El Nino.
You have a cold wall there, which hits the southern oscillation.
So it's just semantics.
If you ask them, is the weather a bit bizarre at the moment?
Yeah, sure.
It's climate and change questionable.
But they see the same maps we do.
And all they're doing is giving the edict of whether it's an El Nino or a La Nino.
I think they're going to have to come up with a new term, though, in the next three or four months, because we're seeing signs of an El Nino breaking halfway through at the equator, the little reddish pools or dots that are appearing.
But something else has happened in the last month.
I've been watching it off the northeast coast of America.
I think I told you about this probably about two years ago when El Nino was starting to affect us.
Remember those severe snowstorms, the 27-foot drifts we had in New York and all that a couple years back?
Just before that hit, a week before that hit, I saw something similar to what I've been seeing nowadays for three or four weeks off the coast of the United States and up slightly higher, I guess closer toward the eastern Canadian border.
But it's a blue circle, almost perfect, of cooling in the ocean there, and it doesn't move at all.
In fact, people who studied this, who grabbed the Otis charts off the Navy like we do, you'll look up there for the last month, I think, at least the last month.
We've made a movie of it to see if it drifted.
We animated it.
And this fucker just sits there like a sinkhole sucking heat out of the ocean, which was overheated.
And it's not something that I would think would be natural.
You start to wonder if someone's not trying to pump the heat out artificially with something like a harper.
Now, since you told me so far ahead of time about El Nino and how monstrous it was going to be, and you were doing that for a long, long time with your readings of the ocean temperatures, we really should be paying attention to what you're saying right now.
I've never heard of such a thing.
Is it common to have something like this in any ocean?
I've only seen this three times, once in the Indian Ocean for a very short period, then that time I told you about off the New York coast before the snowstorms hit.
And then I think, well, yes, then it was to break a heat wall, too.
It was a heat sink.
It's unusual.
In fact, the only other time I've seen a perfect circle like that was when we got hit, the planet did, by a large proton storm thrown off the sun.
And this was probably six months or so ago.
I forget now exactly when.
It was in the last year.
And it dumped not gigawatts, but terawatts of power into the planet in less than a day, into the electric system of the planet, into the magnetic field.
And as I was looking at the Otis maps, I've been working on a pet hypothesis that the ocean sea surface temperatures vary rapidly during the day because of electric currents and carrying the heat from one place to another.
This is the only thing we could explain the fast movements of these thermal patterns with.
And right after this huge proton storm hit the planet, a great huge red circle, perfect, hit right up off of Kenchatka Island, just one light north of Japan.
And it was perfectly formed, beautiful.
It was there for nine to ten hours, then suddenly gone, perfect, cold blue as it sunk back in.
And then the next day, it reappeared over in the South Atlantic, between South America and Africa.
And I was absolutely amazed.
It was like the energy hit the planet, the electrical energy, bounced around over there and out over in the Northwest Pacific, and then disappeared back in and bounced out over in the south of the Atlantic in between the other two continents.
So that was kind of, I mean, we could attribute that to the workings of the sun.
And that was bigger than what we're talking about, what we're seeing here now.
Yeah, well, one, we talked to our leading astronomer here in SpaceGuard, which watch for these sort of objects.
And he said today, he said, no, look, someone's having a linda, you're pulling your leg because we haven't got anything on detection.
And the closest one that's going to come to us is asteroid number 1998, 0x4 in the year 2014.
So we're not too concerned at the moment.
He said we should have a very active November with meteor showers from the Leonids and even more active perhaps next November in the year 2000.
And that was his official thing there.
Now, he was the astronomer that worked next to Duncan Steele, who wrote the book about the killer asteroids back in 95.
And this is, again, a very respected astronomer who is now over at the Naval Observatory in Ireland at Armand, I think that's where he is at the moment.
And he said to me, I had contacted Duncan Steele about what He would do if he himself personally detected or knew of one coming to hit us, like in the short term.
And he said, I would tell.
If I knew, I would tell.
I am not one of those that's going to let him tell me to be quiet.
I would tell.
Then another source we had in the States the answer was, I refuse to either confirm or deny, which in itself is rather interesting.
Now, all the data that I can get at the moment does not indicate an impact.
Perhaps a close passage might happen, but that would be from something detected in the northern hemisphere.
Understand that the astronomers in the northern hemisphere see the northern sky with their telescopes.
That's why it's so important to have somebody in the south, Australia, observing the southern hemisphere.
And for three years, we haven't had anybody down here observing because the Australian government said, oh, we want to spend the money on something else.
We're not going to look for near-Earth objects.
You're out of money.
Just three weeks ago, the University of Arizona said, look, we need this data from the southern hemisphere so bad.
Here is the money in a telescope to get you started.
Maybe the government will pick it up after that.
Please give us data as soon as you can.
Because fully one-third of all of the near-Earth meteorites that have been detected in SpaceGuard have been done here in Australia on the East Coast at that one observatory.
One-third of all those have been detected.
There's 197 near-Earth or orbit-intersecting asteroids already detected.
Interestingly enough, right when Australia is coming on stream, September 14th, the U.S. was voting in Congress whether or not to make cuts of 40% into their space card program.
Well, I thought about that too, and I looked at the strike patterns, and I thought, well, suppose it was one very big piece that kind of splattered into a bunch of cascading things it hit, and that didn't work because these are all different ages.
And if it had to done it, it would have probably ripped continents apart, I suppose.
But it might be some function of the way they entered the ecliptic plane in the orbit around the sun from the northern hemisphere or something.
I don't know.
But I know that while we're talking, probably real estate values in the southern hemisphere are going up.
You've still got to check these things out, understandably, but with the Internet, it's a new kind of psychological warfare weapon that can be used against the United States.
And if you look at the United States, a little bit of Europe and Australia, I mean, and Japan, we're the Internet users.
So somebody from the outside, supposing they were wanting to create a bit of havoc in the United States, could certainly do that if they could start a panic over whether it be biowarfare, you know, anthrax in your milk or something, and the sun going to blow up and send a big glob of burning goo down and burn you up or something.
If they could get the people, enough people to panic by or distrust the government, then it would work.
Really, you've got to see this picture that I just took that's in Holly's book.
The caption is, map of known meteor impact craters on Earth.
And if you look very carefully, it's so obvious the northern latitudes have been comparatively clobbered compared to the southern latitudes all across the Earth.
Now, anybody want to hazard a guess in Australia there about why this would be?
I keep wondering if maybe because so much of the southern hemisphere is water compared to land, the ratio is greater down here than it is in the northern hemisphere, that maybe we haven't done enough deep ocean imaging of craters.
But that's kind of a stretch.
All I can think of is there must be something to do with the attitude of our planet and, say, like the top half of the solar system for some reason.
Maybe the impactors play with that for some reason, or maybe they did in the original time because we're talking about ancient history here, not now.
Well, when you look, yes, but when you look at Europe and you look at the United States at similar latitudes, and then you look down into Africa, which is a very significant landmass, and South America, ditto, there's just no reason to it.
There's also another matter attendant to that, which I think you may be aware of what you said, but about the sun and the increased flare activity toward the end of the year, November to December.
It started off, it got pretty wild, then it calmed right down again, and I have a feeling what we're in right now is the calm before the storm, pun intended.
If it does go ahead and head for its peak and change, in fact, let me just say this.
There are about three different schools of thought about how to predict when it's going to peak out in this particular solar cycle, when it's going to be the worst.
Now, the NASA forecast is oscillating around the end of June.
There's another one that's saying between now and December, which is from a lesser known source.
And another group of scientists are saying that it will peak out in February, March.
Now, either way, we're coming to a peak.
They say we haven't reached it yet.
And as you know, we talked about there was a point, what, a month and a half ago when it peaked at something we hadn't seen except four times before.
And if it does throw off dust clouds from ejecta in our direction, and certainly it has come close to doing that already, because the coronal mass ejections are just coming faster than furious.
It's like a kettle on the boil.
It's just amazing to watch.
Have you been getting those animations off SOVO, off the satellite?
The sun periodically, about every 28 to 30 days, runs through a full rotation of it.
And we observe dark spots on the surface of the sun, which are spots that are dark because they're cooler than the surrounding gas temperature.
These spots run in longer cycles of about 11.2 years, just a little over 11 years when they're almost gone, and then they rise to a peak in about five and a half years, and they're very dominant on the features of the sun.
You can see it in your telescopes.
And then they wane off, and then we go through another five and a half years where it's waning off, and then we get to the trough again, and then we go to the next peak.
But it's not regular.
Sometimes these rises from no sunspots to a lot of them will occur in a full cycle of just nine years instead of 11.
Sometimes they'll run 13 years.
And we haven't really figured out why these periods are irregular.
In fact, we're doing good to even figure out what really causes the sunspot activity.
As a matter of fact, astronomers, before we continue, just now are saying that they have studied suns, stars, suns, just like ours, thought to be stable suns, and have been stable suns, just like ours,
that have suddenly emitted a super flare and sterilized, which would, scientists say, have sterilized every planet in the system if there was a system around that sun like ours.
The thing is, they have a single satellite viewpoint.
They don't have stereo vision like two widely spaced satellites.
They're trying to put one up after the year 2000, but until we get that, they can't do depth perception.
They can't perceive something moving farther or closer until a while has passed.
And they're still arguing over something about the sun that is quite unusual.
If I were to ask the average person, where is the hottest part of the sun?
They would say, oh, in the core inside that bugger.
It's really hot, you know.
But that would be wrong because they're finding out that that thin, gaseous envelope around the outside that we call the corona, that kind of crowny, you know, looking thing with spikes coming off of the light around the sun, that is orders of magnitude heaps hotter than the core or the surface of the sun.
Listen, I think it is from not just a subjective opinion, but having talked to a couple of astronomers, one in the United States in the Southwest in an observatory, and one to an Air Force officer, astronomer here with a government project in Australia.
And the sun did start emitting some new ultraviolet frequencies, about two major bands, in 1991.
And they had special meetings about this.
And in that band, it will add more blue light, hence, to your eye and to the housewife out there getting tearful eyes.
We've had a number of cases here where we've had high ultraviolet counter, like the ozone layer was thin and it was getting through where numerous housewives complained they were hanging their whites on the line to drive.
You know, I don't know any prophets really that can sit down today like the old-timey guys and say, well, you know, in January 15th, this is going to happen.
That's going to happen as far as disasters.
What we do have to our advantage today is a smattering of technology, primitive as it is, which allows us to make educated guesses or what we call partially educated guesses, pegs.
You peg things.
And if I were making a peg on this, I would say that between now and June next year, we're going to be at extremely high risk of something extraordinary happening with the sun and what it does to the earth.
If not that, other factors like what it's already doing as far as the heating and the global warming and the drought and the famines that are kind of in progress as we speak.
Now, this is not an isolated fellow's opinion.
We were just invited to attend a conference in Canberra, which is like the capital of Australia.
And it's an Australian disaster conference.
It's going to be in the 1st to the 3rd of November this year, sponsored by, like, you've got FEMA there, well, we've got EMA here, the Emergency Management Authority, and the Australian AGSO, which is like the same as USGS there in the States, the Bureau of Meteorology, all these people got together and are holding this huge conference on assessing the risk of the approaching disasters,
raising the public awareness of them, reducing the economic losses and social disruption, get that social disruption from this, and preparing for response to these disasters and recovering after them.
Those are the five major thrusts of this conference.
And they've invited government people, non-government, private enterprise, the general community.
They've opened it right out to specific people all dealing with saying, come, let us get together.
Now, as far as another CME photo, a few pages before that, on 179, this was a very recent but small, and underline the word small, CME event.
And for the person that's not looking at the book, it is four timed elapsed photos of the sun shooting off an actual CME.
And the middle ball in this picture is an actual satellite image of the sun.
And then there is a shield around it that if you didn't have the shield there in place, you wouldn't be able to see what the ejecta actually looks like.
In the first photo, the sun is very hot in all four corners, if you will, of the sun.
When you look down to the second photo, there is a blast off the upper left-hand side of the sun that is already just about 2.5 times the size of the diameter of the sun.
That is a single CME and is not at its full explosion at that point.
When you look down there at the third photo, and this is only a matter of two and a half minutes later, that whole explosion has blown up to three times the size of the diameter of the sun.
And the fourth photo is about four times the size.
And at that point in time, only three and a half, four minutes have elapsed.
Let us go back to the first photograph, the one I just put on the studio cam.
You see the sun and the relative size of the sun.
Then you see this horrid, evil-looking flare that would appear to be, to the naked eye, about halfway between the sun and the earth if distances are relative here.
Well, you can imagine if you had a piece of paper, letter-sized paper in front of you, the whole, if you drew a diagonal line from the upper right corner to the lower left corner, that whole left side would be just the southern corner of the sun.
And then there's a thing about, what, what would you say, the fifth the size of that in between that side of the paper and the lower right-hand corner where that corner would be the earth, that little tiny dot down there.
Oh, the last thing I want to say about the CMEs, every morning Stan drags down the MPEGs, the movies of the Sun and what's happened.
This truly is just a middle-of-the-road CME.
If you would look at the furthest portion of the matter ejected off the sun, it's about four times the diameter of the sun.
We have seen them easily six times the diameter of the sun.
And they are coming as often as six times a day.
They're not always reported on the net, but when we have the satellite information right there in front of us, we can count how many are coming off the sun.
About the ARC, when you said that you gotten the pamphlet in your mailbox, we had a very similar thing happen here.
And bear in mind, this is a lucky country where nothing bad ever happens.
About six months ago on the TV, I should probably preface this by saying, you know, our website is Noah's Ark, and we've got the symbol of the ark up there.
On the TV, they had a Noah's Ark marching across the whole viewing portion of the TV set with a warning that saying, if this had been an actual emergency, you would have been instructed to tune to your radio for information.
Nothing else was said about it.
But when you think about Noah's Ark, it was in reference to an enormous event, the flood.
It wasn't like a little tornado or a little monsoon.
They emailed us from that emergency manager thing and said, look, could you please put links to our site on yours, and we will send you more information you can put up.
You know, you and I have done this before, pretending that we were the guys in charge of the government to announce this kind of stuff.
If a real disaster is on the way of any kind like that, that's going to be potentially disruptive to the community across the country, preparing the people, you don't just come right out and just tell them outright.
I think you do have to kind of lead up to it so that they gradually start to prepare rather than just panic.
It's a simple matter of resources.
Like if everybody in America, you know, you were talking about that food during a commercial there a couple of times back.
We're hearing from folks, disturbing as it is, through lots of email and so forth, that people think if they get through Y2K, they're home-free, there's no sweat.
Well, they can dive in there and look at a few of the pictures.
I think we have one of the meteor impact that the NASA artist, Don Davis drew, or painted.
There's probably, I don't know, 10 photos from the book there, some color, some black and white, to give people an idea of some of the things we're talking about, which might help if they can't see the webcam, obviously.
But other than that, have them go to that site and they can get a bit of a blurb in the details of each chapter.
We've had an outline there so they can see exactly what we're talking about, why they need to prepare.
Well, what we need to do, and it's a fine line to try and walk indeed, is to scare people enough so that they'll go do something, but not scare them so much that they bring on a catastrophe by their own actions.
I saw some very nice waterproof knapsacks, and I said, you know what these things would be good for?
Packing in small survival blankets, survival kits, water, herbal remedies, whatever I need, if we each grab one and we have the car packed sufficiently, both of our cars are packed, and we have to get out of here for even a couple days, we will be okay.
People don't think that while they're saving for the food for just any kind of disaster, because weather is going to be terrible this year, I can feel it.
I think that you should tell everybody what you really do believe in.
I think you believe that whether they make use of an emergency that is Something they're aware is coming, or they perpetrate one, it is your belief, isn't it, that we're going to end up with martial law and with some kind of severe control, whether it's trumped up or real.
Well, I think globally, I move Outside the United States, globally, we are heading for a consolidation of power on a massive scale.
Whoever wins in the conflicts that are starting now will end up being a totalitarian structure of some sort because our technology is so advanced on the planet, and it's not all just in America or Europe, that people can be monitored wherever they move on the planet.
And we're heading toward a global government, and that will require, in the early stages of it, something like martial law.
It'll certainly be very, very strong, and they'll have authority probably to kill people on the spot if they don't count out what the new orders are.
As soon as the United States gets in severe trouble, I think all heck is going to break loose across the planet because there are going to be opportunists trying to bring America down then.
If you have a state, say for instance, say next month.
Well, part of it was when the Pope had opened it, it was in the late 50s, as I recall that the priest said to me, when he opened it, he fell to the floor in a dead faint after he read what the Third Secret said.
The reason he thinks that he fainted first was because, or primarily, was because it said that the last Pope would be an anti-Christian pope, that he would turn against the faith and he would lead the flock astray.
Now that's what I had told you at the time that Malachi Martin was on.
In fact, he was online, I think, just right after that.
Well, first of all, okay, I suppose if the first part of it was correct, the rest of it may be as well.
But understand, Ollie and I try to interpret ancient prophecies from a lot of sources, and primarily now the biblical ones, because they seem to be fairly exactly accurate as far as we can tell.
But we look at Nostradamus and what was her name, Mother Shippen in England, who was known as the state for being a witch because she said these things from the Bible.
But what I think was in that third secret was about the failure of the church, of the Roman Catholic Church, and the Protestant children of it, in that they would be overthrown by a new military-political complex that would be global in nature, and it would turn on the church and destroy it.
Before that happened, that the last Pope, of course, would concede to them in an effort to make peace, and that's kind of why I think he thought he'd be like the Antichrist or something, or false prophet or something.
And we have been trying to analyze this to see some other way from the Bible, but in the book of Revelation, we're seeing that is basically what it's saying, is that the Catholic, Protestant, the Western Christian religions have turned or will have turned away from the original teaching so far that they will be treated like a harlot in the Bible,
it says, and will be consumed by a consortium of political powers that will turn on it and destroy it.
I think they call it Babylon.
And for a long time, I've wondered whether America was Babylon, but it couldn't be.
It's like the third secret was saying, I think it's going to be an apostate religious thing over the whole planet.
Well, the one thing that Father Malachi Martin said to me was, Art, if you can imagine and close your eyes and imagine the worst thing possible, it is worse than that, Art.
Look, Holly has put in her book, and I've put in my books, and we've said it in your program before.
It is so bad, what we're seeing in our technical science is coming so close to the beginning of what we see in the prophecies in the Christian faith, in the apocalypse, the really heavy stuff, that we really can't say to anybody, that's a safe place, that's a safe place.
All we can say is get your spiritual part in order, your soul in order, get right with God, because the chances are that half the planet are going to be dead before the next 10 years is up, maybe even less.
If I understand what it said correctly, we've still got to have another pope come to power.
But, yeah, Holly, do you have anything to add to that?
Just that the natural disasters, whether it's meteor impact, the sun getting hot, drought, famine, all those things are prophesied in Revelation.
It is spooky.
And the more you get into it and you understand the symbology and kind of weed off all that stuff and don't be put off by it, it's all there.
It's all there.
And in fact, that information is so prevalent all the way around back in sixth grade Sunday school class, we had to read the Bible.
Well, when I got down to Revelation, I thought, what in the world are they talking about?
I don't get this at all.
But the things like earthquakes stood out and, you know, really dire prophecies.
I thought, there's got to be an easier way to get to this information than through Revelation that I don't understand.
And 30 years after that time, I read New Age stuff.
If it were printed, I read it and just put my teeth into everything I could.
And two things came out of that.
One, we were headed for intense earth changes.
And two, there was a lot of conflicting information out there.
And everybody supposedly thought they had it right.
And if they all had it right, it should all be the same.
But it wasn't.
So in the last year or so, I've gone back to the Bible and really started delving into it.
And maybe I wasn't supposed to understand it back then.
Maybe I was supposed to read all this other stuff in the interim time.
But through a couple of other authors that have written wonderful commentaries, it's like the blinders have been removed.
And everything that you read about in New Age material, the things that we're seeing from science, and the things we're happening on the planet is predicted in Revelation.
I've got to tell you, she gets up in the morning a couple hours before I do, and she's got her notebook out, and she's pouring over the stuff and finding out new things about the coding, which are quite logical.
It's nothing, you know, super-seeker.
You just got to sit down and read and study this stuff.
And I know it sounds like we fall into that category of your fundamentalist Christians, and maybe we are.
I wish you've got to put a label on it.
But we try to be, hopefully, a little objective in understanding what that book says and compared to current events in science.
We are quite sure we're very close to the changeover from life as we used to know it to what's going to be for another thousand years very shortly.
I think the earth changes that the Hopi Indians have talked about are just a reflection of what's in the Bible.
I mean, remember when I told Holly, I'd been over to see the Hopi Indians, and they were building underground kivas or like igloos out of thick mud underground for the heat?
Stan, leaving that for a second, a couple of other questions.
Would you please ask Stan and Holly about their take on the situation in East Timor, specifically with regard to the former Suharto plan to invade Australia?
Now, Holly will chip in here where she feels like it, I'm sure, because she wrote about this in the book.
Believe us or not, she's got the lines drawn in there showing about the Suharto government was taking the top half of Australia, claiming it's its own.
And then she showed where Douglas MacArthur had established what was called the Brisbane Line, the southeast corner of Australia, which would be defended, the only place they could defend in World War II if the Japanese invaded.
Well, now then, that Brisbane line is being seriously rediscussed as we can defend Brisbane, Sydney, and Melbourne and Adelaide.
And all those cities and towns in that southeast corner are all we're going to be able to defend if the Indonesians come down.
Now, my eldest son in Australia is in the Australian Army and at present is in training, getting ready to be shipped up to Timor.
Now, he's still not covered by any secrets yet, so he's told me what's been going on up there.
And I don't know whether you would have heard about it on the press, but when the Australian troops went up there to peacekeep and to be a caretaker kind of government while the transfer of power went from Indonesia to the Timorese, when they arrived, the 2,500 troops arrived, there were Poles all through the town there of Peely, I think it is, at the Timoreport where they were.
And these Poles had heads, fresh-cut heads stuck on them.
And these guys are really kind of nasty business.
I mean, they're gross.
And we've already had two boys shot in an attack.
There was an attack on Australian troops yesterday, I think it was.
And they had survived it.
Their whole section was attacked, ambushed, and they killed two of the enemy, and the rest got away.
But now then, they've changed it from a peacekeeping status to now it's a military action in Timor.
We've crossed the line as of today.
We here in Australia fully expect the Indonesian Army to turn on us and come for us shortly.
They have taken our weapons away privately.
They have run our weapons down in the Army because of budgets they put into social services rather than the military.
Same as they've done in parts of the States as well.
However, in this case, I'm not too sure but what the Indonesians are going to get a surprise when they come down.
We know they're coming.
We have 19, well, at least 19, American research bases here in Australia.
Most of them are underground or way out of the cities.
I am aware, have been aware for probably 15, 20 years, of some of the research that we've been doing there.
And although I will not discuss it openly over the air, what kind of weapons we have there, I must tell you that if called upon, the Australian Research Defense Network down here can thoroughly protect Australia from the Indonesian hordes coming in.
Whether it happens or not is another question.
But that's our main line of defense, is the American presence down here in the high-tech region.
You don't need soldiers when you've got these kind of weapons, I promise you.
So we are reasonably certain that they're coming down, and we're going to have a conflict here.
I'll tell you what, there have been a number of scenarios discussed, and we're aware of some of the plans that Suhargo's people, or the military, have had.
One was freighters coming into port, into our major cities, and out of the freighters at night coming commando teams, which hit our power, communications, water, et cetera, et cetera, and just wipe the cities so that the others can come in from international waters and take the cities.
Obviously, we're aware of that, so we've made contingencies for that.
I want to repeat, what I'm about to read you may be nothing more than internet recirculated BS garbage.
But it is all over the internet, and I have it from other sources that I can't really talk about right now.
But you've got to understand that all of it, even from these other sources, could be recirculated garbage.
But I have a fax from Teresa in Florida that I'm going to read, which reads as follows.
Dear Art Bell, do you really think that the government of this country or any other will let you broadcast any information about the three asteroids due to hit November 7th until they are visible with the naked eye and can no longer be denied?
Get real.
They'd shut you down, terminate you personally, blow up your studio, whatever it would take to silence the events as long as conceivably possible.
There are people who need to know, however, it has been reported or rumored that one will impact Alberta, Canada.
The other two are Atlantic Ocean impacts off New York shore and slightly northwest of Africa.
If true, there are tens of millions of people that will be wiped out by the wave immediately, right?
And what of the impact blast in Alberta?
The governments are not prepared to handle a seaboard evacuation globally.
The volcanoes on the Pacific Rim would erupt.
You know, that stupid law, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
What in the hell would the Midwest do with 40 million coastal refugees?
They're not going to allow people the knowledge to evacuate or prepare because that would cramp the ill-prepared central country infrastructure.
This, in fact, may be necessary just to allow accidental survival of some to continue the human race.
That's it.
That's what Teresa sent.
And as I said, that may be recirculated, regurgitated, internet garbage.
But I can tell you it's all over the internet.
So all I'm doing is reporting on what the internet is coughing up all over the place.
I wasn't being specific for obvious reasons, but I've had several reports in the last 48 hours of something else equally disastrous.
And I don't know, this isn't from official sources.
It's from the Philippines and from the United States.
A couple of Christian folk have been able to, I don't know, have visions and see things just before they happen, like the Hurricane Floyd that just hit.
And the summary paragraph on the one I got here says just about three sentences long, says this.
This week, if my information is correct, there will be a major, underlying major devastating earthquake on the west coast of the United States in the next few days.
Right on the heels of what Stan received on that Philippine prophecy came an email from somebody that I don't know.
And normally, after a while, when you talk to enough folks often enough, you recognize names and emails if you don't have a volume of mail that you do, mind you.
This was rather timely.
Right after the Loma Pareta quake in California, it's coming up on the 10-year anniversary, USGS, underwritten by Red Cross, was asked to put together a pamphlet, which they did, a 24-page full-color pamphlet telling people exactly what to do, How to mitigate damage, protect yourself, and so forth.
They are redoing that pamphlet, and there are 3 million copies of this in print.
It's done very well.
They are releasing a new one in one week's time on the 14th.
And in the old pamphlet, they also explained about there being a big quake in the Bay Area, the big one, by the year 2020.
In this new pamphlet, it does not give you a clue what it will be, but they have updated the probabilities in this report.
And it also includes the entire Bay region.
And the quote is, making preparedness message more vital than ever.
Before this hour ends, I want to add one more thing, and that is, ladies and gentlemen, there is a breaking news story that's going to break in the Dallas Morning News with respect to what did, in fact, occur, what was known about Waco.
And this is going to blow the top off everything.
So you might want to check it out.
It's by Lee Hancock, and it's going to appear in the Dallas Morning News.
Today is Dallas Morning News.
And I think a lot of people are going to be very angry when they read this.
I just wanted to get that in.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Stan and Hollydale in Australia.
Anyway, he says that the water, even though it's sealed, lasts only three months.
If this is true, I'm in big trouble.
Well, there is something you can do about that.
Actually, all the information that we've run across with Red Cross and the other agencies like EPA, if you store tap water, which you assume it's been treated and chlorinated, no, this is in the store, your bottled water.
You'll have to look at the expiration date because it doesn't matter.
So at least it's not three months, it is six months, right?
Well, I'm talking about water that is tap water.
That's six months.
She's talking about chlorinated water versus as far as your water that you purchase from the store, you need to look at the expiration date that is on that container.
If you're talking about $20,000, obviously you're probably not going to want to put all of that into foodstuffs.
But you can't eat silver, and you can't eat a gold coin.
If you're looking for the short hedge over Y2K and then want to cash back out and put those funds back into the market or whatever, very possibly, yes, you want to put some money in coin.
But as Stan and I have always said, it's best to have the hard goods.
You can either consume those yourselves, whether it's medical supplies, a pup tent, food things, beverages, or whatever else you might need, and a disaster.
Those things are good for yourself or for bartering.
And I will offer this much without saying any more, because I don't want to specifically have anybody break the law.
But there are other countries around the world that do not require doctors' prescriptions for antibiotics.
So that's just a piece of information people might file away in the back of their minds.
Other than that, Holly, what would you suggest to somebody who might, in the middle of some sort of emergency, get an infection and not have access to a doctor to write a prescription?
What we have done here, Art, is look around for a doctor that is a little bit heads up and just say, hey, you know, we're going out on a long trip and we're going to go out into the bush and may not be back for a month or two.
Would you set us up with some antibiotics?
And you just have to do a little checking around to see who is amenable.
You know, the Roman army used to equip its troops with fresh garlic because it contains a natural antibody called alium.
That's right.
When all else fails, maybe that would help.
I'll tell you another interesting thing.
If you've got wounds that are infected and you're thinking, well, you know, gangrene, all that, that sounds gross.
But prisoners of war from the United States in, ooh, was it World War II, I think it was, discovered this that if you let flies, you know, blow flies, blow larva into the wound, they will clean it out and you can scrape them off.
That if you want to follow this train of thought, if you want to believe these rumors, that's probably the genesis of them, these objects that were spotted during the eclipse.
Now, again, as far as I know at this stage, nobody out there should treat this as anything more than just a really strong internet rumor.
It's all over the place, and I don't want to get anybody overly concerned about it.
But on the other hand, I think it's fair to report on something that is ripping its way through the internet.
But I'm reporting on it in that way.
I don't want to hear one person out there say, I said this is going to happen, because I am not saying that.
I'm saying it is a damn rumor.
I hope it's a rumor.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan and Holly Dale.
A while back, the subject of a totalitarian government taking over maybe even within a few months came up.
Yes.
And my question is not to the when, but more to the how, because for something like that to happen and for a kind of martial law to take over and control, it would take a lot of people.
And I was thinking that even if everyone in the American Army and then all the police and all the reserves were brought under the control, I mean, logistically, it seems like it would be impossible.
But even if they did that, like, do you think that a totalitar government could really take over that way?
Because if I were in the military, I would want to go find my family.
Well, all, sir, all control over the civilian population depends on the majority of the civilians cooperating with that authority.
So in other words, if they tell you, stay home, do not leave your home, the breakdown would occur if people, a large portion of people, said to hell with that, I'm going down to the store.
Well, obviously, that would be a problem.
So even current law enforcement, we don't have enough police.
I mean, we've got 260 million people in America, and if even a small percentage of them decided to become unruly all at once, there's not nearly enough police.
Well, you're looking at it purely as what happens in America to overthrow America from within America by military law.
What I'm talking about is a global picture where I think America may be subtended to a global authority and our troops may be put into like a new form of United Nations where our troops are taken off somewhere else and somebody else's troops are brought in to do the dirty work.
This will happen, I think, mainly in the wake of a serious disaster.
I mean a big disaster that hits not only the United States, but other countries.
During the wake of a crisis, it's very easy to let martial law flip in because that's what brings you food and water and provides for your security and needs and communication, all that kind of stuff.
Look, you know, a lot of people, myself included, when I was a lot younger, complain about a new world order or world government.
There's nothing wrong with getting everybody under one fair law, under one economy, cultural bias, et cetera, et cetera.
There's nothing wrong with that.
But the problem is, from where we are today in the fragmented world states and different religious biases and different political structures, we can't easily legislate or vote to go from where we are to being whatever this new world order would be.
It is going to take, as Reagan said, as the former Prime Minister of Australia Robert Hawkes said, it is going to take an alien invasion, whether real or contrived, to bring all the nations and religions together long enough to try to set up a world government.
Anyway, you know, as far as what you're guessing, I'm really worried about global warming especially, but I'm also worried about apocalyptic, Armageddon, you know, doom-mongering, because, you know, I think that the year 2000 is an arbitrary date.
We don't know if Christ was born in the year zero.
I keep it All right, The article that I told you about in its front page, Dallas Morning News, is going to blow a whole top off the Waco thing.
We presently have it on the links page, but I think it's important enough, and I just talked to Keith.
He's going to add it to the new site additions for a while, so we're sure you see it.
That will be right on the front page, and within moments, I suspect you will see a link to it right on the front page under the area entitled Newest Site Editions.
Let me take a look here.
Not quite there yet, but it'll be there momentarily.
It hasn't made a lot of sense to me, but some of the stuff that you guys are coming off with, it's starting to look a little scarier.
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It talks about actually what I can see the closest thing, a meteor shower or something coming into the North Atlantic, possibly hitting New York City, because it's talking about the different centers of government just going up in smoke and people around the world just, you know, like, wow, there goes everything.
Yes, John, certainly we've approached it from a scientific view to now then try to verify that with, or to align it up with the Revelation and with the book of Daniel and things like that.
But I'm going to kind of give you a little bit of a preview here.
Holly has been working on this stuff, but she's also been creating a huge color image map of the Revelation in images with some titles to say what they're doing that she's going to put on the Internet.
What we're doing is we've been going to a lot of sources, trying to figure out where people say this is the way you interpret, that's the way you interpret.
And we've tried to put those areas on there, and Holly's done a really good job of it to show, well, one group says this, one group says that.
But either way, here is what signs to look for in the heavens or in the earth, what event.
And certainly, the sun misbehaving plays a very big part, and so do falling asteroids or meteor in the Revelation.
Well, that's what gives, if it is a rumor, that's what gives these rumors the power they have.
And no man shall exactly know the time of whatever it is.
And then on the other hand, you've got to at least, when you start getting this stuff from so many different sources, you've got to at least acknowledge it is a wild rumor all over the place.
And if you're not on the internet, you wouldn't know about it unless you listen to this program, I suppose.
So it's probably a rumor.
If you're a biblical scholar, it's probably a rumor that sounds like it has sound basis to you.
That doesn't mean it's true this time, but it probably means it's going to be true eventually.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Stan and Holly.
Okay, well, what happened in the other callers were talking about Marshall Law, Defense Secretary William Cohen, he established a new military command in North Polk, Virginia.
Yeah, it's really interesting because one of the quotes here, as it reads, brushing aside concerns about federal troops operating at home, he says, and I quote, the American people should not be concerned about it.
They should welcome it.
Well, I don't know.
You know, and I don't know what's coming down the road, but when you start seeing these types of movements, I know, does it kind of make your eyebrow raise, or is it just me?
We all feel that way, and I am concerned about it.
We all should be concerned about it.
Our troops are to protect our country, not so much from its own citizens as other nations that would do us harm.
And so when you start to see them in our own streets, I think your eyebrow ought to raise.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan and Holly.
Hi.
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Good morning.
Art, this is Dave in Mississippi.
Hi, Dave.
I wanted to ask your guest, now I have heard, and since they live in Australia, first of all, I have heard that guns have been confiscated down there, including all hunting weapons, all kinds of weapons.
They've put in a law that said you have to turn them in by a certain date, or if you were caught with them after that, unregistered, you were subject to fine and or imprisonment.
They took all kinds of stuff back, several hundred thousand weapons, and they paid for them.
They paid you for your weapons to bring them in.
For a person now then to register a handgun or a rifle or something like that, it'd take a minimum of 90 days to get an approval for it, and you've got to go through a lot of bureaucracy and explain why and tell them the great need to.
You've got to go to some friend's property and kill off feral dogs or cats or angrews or something before they can even look at you to give you a permit.
You can't have such a thing for self-defense.
Now, a case in point, which I think I mentioned here sometime back, we were investigated personally by two officers of the Australian Immigration Department when I ordered a slingshot off of the internet from the States to be sent down here.
It was a really sexy-looking thing, $19 worth, right?
And I thought I'd have a shoot at some of the critters getting down around our crops, down around the dam, with some stones and stuff.
We had a personal visit from the Immigration Department.
Two officers came out about an hour and a half drive out of Melbourne, came to our property, checked it out to see if we were running some kind of a weapons business or an import illegal gun business or whatever, because we ordered a slingshot.
And we couldn't have it.
It was illegal.
And I asked him why, and he said, well, it had one of those wrist straps on it.
And I said, well, what difference does that make?
He said, well, it makes the pellets go faster and they're lethal, more lethal.
I said, well, what happens if I make one of these on my own property and I use it myself?
He said, well, as long as you don't leave the property, that's fine.
As long as you don't put a wrist strap on it so it becomes a lethal weapon, that's fine.
Otherwise, we'd have to impound it and arrest you.
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Hmm.
Okay, well, that answers that.
Art, everybody's talking about martial law.
I don't know if you know it or not, but you can access it, I think, on the internet.
If not, I think you can get copies of it just right to Congressman.
What we have to worry about is whether they misuse them.
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Well, you know, I don't know.
Like say, you know, of course, like say, it's not only going to be U.S. troops on the streets, but, you know, they've got a lot of foreign troops in our country now.
First of all, I'm tempted to go off on any one of several different lines of inquiry that all lead to an apocalyptic doom scenario, but that's a waste of time, I think, because there's so damn many of them, and any one of them would be adequate.
For instance, I've taken all of the various maps that have been prognosticated by some of your guests and others, and after you overlay all of them, there's nowhere that's safe.
That's pretty much true, although if you look at the maps of Gordon Michael Scallion and Laurie Toy and some of the others, there are some great similarities.
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Right.
There are certain congruencies.
But then what happens after the, you know, coronal mass ejection scenario or the asteroid or the doomsday war atomics out of control?
You just get yourself in a very uncomfortable position and go exactly.
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That's why I think it's significant that although I've learned to tolerate the Christians a little bit more, I've come to have a greater respect for what Jesus said as opposed to what's in Revelations, etc.
And I was a biblical scholar, and I was even tempted to call up the night that you had Hal Lindsay on.
And at the risk of doing something that Robert Heinlein said you should never do, and that is always know when to rub blue mud in your belly button.
Because even though tribal customs and superstitions are not the laws of the universe, knowing when to do so and act like it may very well be one.
But Even he, who is like he was one of the founding fathers on the end is near, but he was so wrong.
Jesus Christ, as opposed to what he said, as opposed to what is said about him, are two completely different things.
When you compare the trials, tribulations, punishments of the Old Testament or the book of Revelations at the very other end, I mean from the flood, Jehovah's flood, or the revelations of St. John the Divine, whom nobody's sure exactly even who he was, everybody forgets about the Sermon on the Mount.
And that was what the guy that this whole book is about is saying, or if you're a Christian, the guy who it's about.
And it's like, when I hear people talk about preparations, I only think of, well, gosh, now the Mormons have a real head start on us, but that's nothing compared to the people that have the bunkers like for the Senate and for the President, the Executive Branch, and who knows what the military have been saving for all of this.
Well, they'd know a lot about that in Australia because I think there is some sort of law down there that children must wear something on their head when they go to school because of the ozone problem.
The report said that our star is now classified as a variable energy output star, which is a kind of eutemistic way to say, yes, it will put out more energy and less energy at unpredictable times.
And certainly the amount of energy that does come out, in some of the cases they've registered in nearby star systems, would be enough, as you say, to sterilize or cook or kill life as we know it on probably an entire system, if not at least the inner half of it.