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Oct. 7, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Stan and Holly Deyo - Preparedness. Colm Kelleher - NIDS Hotline Reports

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning, as the case may be, across all these many prolific time zones, stretching from in the west to the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands with fullest girths, dancing,
art bell ▲ ● ▼		beautiful women to the east and the Caribbean in the same visions near St. Thomas and the islands, and down south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, where they definitely don't wear dress skirts, and worldwide on the internet where you'll find all kinds of garb.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, that worldwide on the Internet part is thanks to Broadcast.com for the distribution worldwide and, of course, the Intel Corporation for their amazing G2 codec that allows...
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Download the G2 program.
		It's there for free, free, free, free.
		Insert into thy computer.
		Come back up to my website on the left-hand side, you'll see streaming video.
		And there, behold, you will see me doing the program as well as hear the audio.
		And I might say the audio's quite good now.
		They really have made some rather significant advances in that area.
		Coming up very shortly is Kalim Kadaher from NIDS, and he is going to report back to you on some of the phone calls, the many phone calls and reports they've got on their new hotline, which we will tell you about again, and how some of what they have heard correlates to their own research.
		It's really going to be interesting.
		That coming up next, and then at the top of the following hour, Stan and Holly Dale.
		Stan Dale and his beautiful wife, Holly, are going to be with us.
		That should be really quite something.
		First time we've ever had Holly on, all the way, of course, from Australia.
		All of that directly ahead.
unidentified		All of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we had him on here not long ago, and he announced an amazing new venture of Bob Bigelow's through NIDS.
		What all this means is they are opening a 24-hour have opened, a 24-hour hotline number for sightings and for paranormal reporting and all the rest of it.
		But it gets better.
		They have poured resources and I mean big bucks into having investigators prepared to fly anywhere and actually investigate whatever it is you might be reporting.
		Not all will be investigated in that manner, of course, but the obviously interesting stuff is going to be.
		In other words, there's money behind this.
		PhD qualified people will go and investigate claims of the supernatural, abnormal, sightings of craft, dimensional holes, whatever you might have out there.
		If they think it's worthy, they will actually commit resources to have it studied.
		Now, Colin Kelleher, Dr. Colm Kellether, PhD, is Deputy Administrator and Director of NIDS.
		He is responsible for running day-to-day operations of NIDS, and I bet that's getting to be a busy job, and supervising and managing scientific staff and investigators.
		So here he is once again with an update for us.
		Column, welcome back to the show.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
unidentified		It's really good to be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to have you.
		Well, we gave out the hotline, which we're going to give out again tonight.
		Last time you were on, what happened?
unidentified		Well, I think it's only been a couple of weeks, maybe three at the max.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		We've had a very, very good response, mostly in the probably four days to two weeks after the initial announcement.
		We've had about 70 cases that have come in by telephone, email, fax, and online reports.
		It's been really gratifying, and they seem to, there's no pattern across the country, but they're everywhere from New Hampshire to California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if there is no pattern, that in itself is interesting.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, there's a tendency to split between cases that are quite old to cases that have just happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And obviously, we're focusing mostly on the cases that are in the last few weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unless, and I think we covered that this last time, unless somebody has hard physical evidence to be examined.
unidentified		Unless, yes, that's exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if somebody's grandfather gave them a piece from the Roswell crash, that would qualify as hard physical evidence.
unidentified		That would, if the chain of custody could be calibrated on that whole thing, definitely.
unidentified		We have the material science labs, and we have contracts made with those labs so that we can get that kind of analysis done pretty quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what was of great interest that came in?
unidentified		Well, we've had a number of cases that have happened, as I said, right through the United States, but a couple.
		One in particular was of interest that happened in Oklahoma on September the 17th.
		I can just run through it really quickly because it does have an interesting parallel with one of our cases that happened on the ranch that we work at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ranch, all right.
unidentified		The ranch.
		So, really briefly, what happened was that two people were driving in a car between Claremore and Enola, which is in the northeast part of Oklahoma, at about 8.30 p.m. on the 17th of September, which is a few weeks ago.
		They were crossing a bridge, and one of the people in the car saw what looked like an airplane at the beginning, told his friend to stop the car.
		He got out because it did seem unusual.
		Turned out that there was a large triangular craft right over a house that appeared to be abandoned.
		But the triangular craft looked like it was searching for something.
		It had three beams of light coming down to the ground and moving around.
		It looked like it was searching for something.
		No sound and absolutely no sound at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about size?
unidentified		He described it as about half the size of a football field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's big.
unidentified		Which is big.
		Now, at the same time, the craft appeared to be rotating clockwise and counterclockwise.
		After that, the craft headed off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait a minute.
		Let me think about that.
		The craft appeared at the same time to be rotating clockwise.
unidentified		Oh, alternating between clockwise and counterclockwise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I've got you.
unidentified		After the craft left, he obviously got back into the vehicle.
unidentified		And this is where it gets interesting because his partner in the vehicle, who had appeared nervous at the beginning, insisted that he had seen absolutely nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
unidentified		And we've come across reports like this before, where two people go side by side into an incident, and one person sees something and reports vividly.
		The other person is either unable or unwilling to remember or to report anything.
		And that does have a parallel with one of the cases that I want to talk about that had happened on this research property of ours.
		And this was during the late summer when I was actually involved in this case personally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of the audience, I guess, should be grounded by knowing that Bob Bigelow has donated large sums of money to help research in the areas that we're talking about right now and others.
		And there was this ranch at an undisclosed location where all of these paranormal occurrences were happening.
		And Bob Bigelow simply bought the ranch.
		And they have set up a great deal of scientific study on that ranch.
		So that's what you're hearing right now.
unidentified		Go ahead, Colin.
		That's correct.
		And the particular area has a long history, actually close to a 50-year history, the immediate environment for unidentified flying objects.
		So it was of interest to study it.
		But on this particular night in June, it was a moonless night.
		And the reason that myself and a second investigator were down there was because a week previous to that, in a small field located on this property, there's an old homestead built about 100 years ago.
		And this investigator a week previously had photographed, using infrared equipment, an unusual light in the vicinity of this old homestead, which was about 100 years old.
		So we were there on that night to see if we could replicate that.
		And as I said, about 11 to 11.30 at night, we were located in a small field about 200 yards by 80 yards, surrounded by tall trees.
		And as I said, it was a moonless night, so it was pretty dark.
		We had two dogs with us because normally we use dogs as biological sensors.
		Unexpectedly, about 80 yards to the south of us, a ball of light blinked on and it was right in the middle of the field.
		Obviously, it was unexpected because it was absolutely dark.
		There was no source of light there at all.
		And then suddenly this blinked on.
		It was about the size of between baseball and a basketball from our perspective.
		It was a bluish tinge, and it was located approximately about 15 feet off the ground.
		It appeared to be hovering.
		It blinked off and then blinked on rapidly about three or four times and then just vanished.
		Now during that time, I began to trying to photograph it with our infrared camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were there, you were seeing it?
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay.
		And the person right beside me who had night vision binoculars activated the night vision binoculars just at the end of this sequence of events when the thing blinked out.
		Now at the same time, we had a very powerful flashlight.
		We're talking about 3 million candle power flashlights, the kind of thing that you can, the law enforcement people use for crowd control.
		So we could light up that field.
		It's a pretty small field pretty easily with this piece of equipment, which we did after my partner had scanned the area with the infrared binoculars and had seen nothing.
		So we flicked on this very powerful, essentially a searchlight and saw absolutely nothing.
		So we blinked off the searchlight.
		I continued taking photographs.
		My partner then started scanning the area with the infrared binoculars.
		Actually, at their Generation 3 night vision, they're not actually infrared binoculars.
		They're light enhancement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, infrared is used if you're in the complete dark to assist the night vision.
unidentified		Yeah, it it dramatically increases the amount of light that's visible.
unidentified		It makes a dark night look like daylight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		And by the way, something you might want to check into is I too have one of those 3 million candle power.
		In fact, I have a 6 million candle power.
		And you can put an infrared filter over that.
unidentified		Yes, we have one of those.
		Ah.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it would dramatically enhance night vision.
unidentified		And actually, that's how we use it a lot most of the time.
		I see.
		And so my partner was scanning the area with the night vision binoculars when suddenly he reported that there was a large object about 60 feet in diameter located probably less than 50 yards away in the trees.
		He started giving me a running narrative.
		So I swung the camera over in that direction and started taking long exposure photographs.
		Meanwhile, this object, which appeared to be extremely black, diffuse, began to move northwards and appeared to be actually in the trees rather than behind or in front of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you describe, was there any shape to this object?
unidentified		It was shapeless and it didn't appear to have any structure, but it did black the stars out behind it as it moved from south to north in a northerly direction.
		So it was definitely solid.
		This guy reported this.
		It moved probably about 20 to 30 yards very, very slowly, very silently.
		Now, the dog's behavior became very interesting once he started reporting this black object because the dogs who had been actually ignoring the ball of light that had just disappeared, they immediately came behind each of us and stood right behind us, crammed up against our legs.
		And both of them were obviously focused on the same area where this black object was.
		And then my partner reported that the black object was beginning to dissipate.
		In other words, it seemed to be folding in on itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dissipate.
unidentified		Folding in on itself and at the same time beginning to get smaller and smaller and dissipating.
		And eventually it vanished.
		But the interesting thing about this sighting was that I was standing right beside him, admittedly concentrating on taking infrared photographs, but I did not see the same object that he was reporting.
		And he was standing 15 feet away from me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this would suggest to you, with a wild guess, what?
unidentified		This would suggest to me that there is a very interesting part of the whole UFO phenomenon that really needs to be looked at, and that is the alterations in perception and or changes in consciousness that's associated with these experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The metaphysical aspect.
unidentified		Certainly the perception aspect, because that, to me, was a very powerful demonstration that something was visible.
unidentified		Admittedly, he did have the night vision binoculars on, but I should have been able to see a large object 60 feet in diameter that was essentially blocking out the stars 50 yards in front of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was about to say it must have had solidity to it, but that's a conclusion that perhaps we shouldn't make.
		In other words, it may have been emitting some sort of something or another that had the same effect as solidity with regard to the human ability to perceive stars behind it.
		What we're dealing with here, we just don't even have the slightest idea.
		Hold on there, Column.
		By the way, everybody, when we get back, we will give you the hotline number so you can participate in all of this.
		Stay right there.
unidentified		Music Oh, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That didn't what I wanted to do.
		That's for later.
		This is what I wanted to do, really.
unidentified		Only in America, and I got from anywhere.
		So the sweet book for that wake up from your head.
		Only in America.
		And I get without a second.
		To be present, only in America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		level So, something that folded in on itself and disappeared, apparent to one person, but not another.
		Again, suggestive of sort of a door opening and then perhaps closing.
		I don't know, intriguing.
		The kind of work that NIDS is doing, and if you have something to report, something unusual, something like we just talked about, or a sighting you had, or photographs you may have taken, or physical evidence you may possess,
		and you would like the possibility of PhD-level scientists coming to you and investigating whatever has happened, then you're going to want to jot down the following information.
		The NIDS UFO hotline telephone number is Area Code 7027981700.
		This is a significant asset for all of you.
		Area code 702-798-1700, soon to be up 24 hours a day.
		And I think you can get a message to them anytime.
		It's a big asset.
		They've got a website address.
		I'll give it to you.
		We've got a link up there right now.
		It is the usual hit up, www.access, A-C-C-E-S-S-N-V, as in Nevada, AccessNevada, accessNV, actually, dot com forward slash NIDS, and as in NORA, I DS.
		So they've got a website, and they've got a phone number, and they've got the assets in place.
		Salam, welcome back.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So this thing then folded in on itself.
		This to me sounds an awful lot like the other story you told me last time you were on, or the time prior to that, actually, about the hole opening up with something crawling through it, seen by, if I recall, one person but not another.
unidentified		And the person who saw everything was, again, using a pair of night vision binoculars.
		And it may be as simple as that, that the key is that there's a lot happening in the infrared part of the spectrum that we're not actually seeing with our own eyes.
		But I would have thought that something that was blacking out stars to that extent and was 60 feet in diameter and only 50 yards away should have been visible to the naked eye.
		Yeah, but it wasn't because as I was taking these long exposure infrared photographs, I was concentrating on the tripod and the camera, but I was looking up all the time to see that I was aiming properly.
		And I just did not see anything.
		So this person was standing 15 feet away from me.
		So it was a very interesting, I thought, lesson for coming up against corroborative evidence when you're talking to eyewitnesses in other investigations.
		Because I'm a lot slower to, for example, dismiss the Oklahoma case I discussed based on the idea that the second person did not corroborate what the first person said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm still puzzling on what that suggests to us, that there may be a metaphysical aspect of it, one person spiritually open to be able to see this, or it could be a control of the mechanism of whatever the hell it is that's out there, which would enable itself to be seen by one person, but not another.
unidentified		Well, there's certainly a lot of precedent to suggest that there is control of perception operating in some of these bizarre cases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise said to be mind control.
unidentified		Whatever the words are used, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Listen, with regard to the ranch that Bob purchased, I know there's a long history with that ranch, but I've got a question.
		Why the ranch?
		Why any particular area?
		Why are there hotbeds like this?
		Any thoughts?
unidentified		Well, we know reproducibly that this entire area has been the focus of a lot of activity for up to 50 years.
		And we have obviously checked out the magnetic fields, the geology, all of the usual suspects, so to speak, and we've come up with very little.
		We really do not have any idea of why particular areas are focused on for long periods of time.
		And that definitely is the case in other parts of the country, too, where there's been repetitive sightings time after time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if that's the case, then an obvious search would be to look for commonality in these hotbed areas, some sort of commonality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any sort of commonality.
unidentified		Yes, any kind of commonality.
		However, within these particular areas, the eyewitnesses that we've talked to, and we're really in one of these areas we're talking about close to 70 to 80 incidents in a particular area, there is a huge spectrum of craft that are reported, huge spectrum of experiences, and commonality is pretty low.
		So either we don't have enough data to actually generate patterns yet, or there's some interaction with the perception of the eyewitnesses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But still, we do have specific areas where there's high activity.
		And somewhere there, if we dig deep enough, there's got to be something common about them.
		I just don't see how else to go after this.
		I suppose if you could come up with that commonality, then you could predict, ultimately, where such occurrences would be likely, even if they hadn't occurred or been seen.
unidentified		Well, one of our biggest challenges in this research is the lack of reproducibility, because every time we come up to speed in a particular hotspot on the methodology and the protocols that we use to investigate a particular case, we're presented with a brand new set of circumstances and a brand new case that has absolutely no precedence.
		So we've been moving from new case to new case to new case that have absolutely no commonality.
		And that's been a real challenge because people say that investigators Should be trained in certain aspects, but when you're presented with brand new situations almost continuously, that speaks to some kind of a learning curve rather than.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is why mainstream science has not yet embraced the study of the paranormal because they just can't wrap their hands around it.
unidentified		There's really no reproducibility, and also there's absolutely no control of when and where something is going to happen.
unidentified		And that obviously there are people in the field of ufology who feel that they can approach being able to attract this phenomena, but in our experience, that has not been the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about frequency?
		Can we find any commonality there?
		In other words, in this country, worldwide, in fact, we have what most people call flats, where all kinds of stuff begins to happen all at once, and then it goes quiet for a long time, and then boom, there you are again.
		Any commonality there?
		Full moons, planetary alignments, anything.
unidentified		We've run that whole spectrum of the full moon and the planets and the weather and the time of the day, all of that.
		And so far, it's absolutely there's been no patterns that leap out.
		However, the beauty of getting new data all the time is that they can eventually, if there's a broad enough baseline, something will emerge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If your database gets large enough, and I presume that you commit what you consider to be legitimate to some database with data points in each case that can then be correlated by computer.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And right now from the hotline data, which we just started a couple of weeks ago, we've already, we've returned phone calls and begun preliminary investigations on about 50 of the 70 cases that came in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And so we've been really pushing it because it's time intensive because obviously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll bet you're pretty busy with that many cases.
unidentified		Yes.
		And the next step is to bring quite a few of them to closure because if there's only a single eyewitness, you can fairly well eliminate the chances of it being corroborated unless from a hotline or coming in in the hotline, another one comes in by random chance, then you have a way of corroborating it.
		But usually if there's only a single eyewitness, that's pretty well the end of the case, unless there is physical evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have you had any cases yet with any physical evidence?
unidentified		Not from the hotline, no.
unidentified		We're still going through them, obviously returning the phone calls and getting, trying to track down potential eyewitnesses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, your service, I'll call it, is so attractive because you can actually dispatch PhD-level people into the field and you will to do this at your own cost just for a phone call.
		So let's give out that number again, the hotline number.
		And I wanted to ask, when is it good now?
		When is it live by manned personnel?
unidentified		Well, as of this coming Monday, it's manned from 7 a.m. till 1 a.m., which is essentially, what, 18 hours, 19 hours a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, and soon 24.
		And that number, folks, is Area Code 702798 1700, 1700.
		702-798-1700.
		I think it's a wonderful idea.
		And, of course, you're going to have to get a year or two of it under your belt before the database gets big enough, but you are going to get a big database.
unidentified		Yes, I think we are.
		And as I said, the baseline, putting in the baseline, I think is the most important part of it.
		And from there, from the baseline, we can start comparing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to ask you a question.
		I'm asking most of my guests now.
		Colin, I have been from a lot of sources receiving this, what I'm going to call only a rumor, that some event is possible in the month of November.
		Have you been getting any rumblings at all?
unidentified		I must confess we have not.
unidentified		We have not I've heard rumors, obviously, on the internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've heard the rumor?
unidentified		Yes, but not, we haven't had any calls on our hotline regarding anything, any event in November.
		Good.
		I've seen, obviously I've seen some of the rumors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it may just be what happens on the internet, I hope.
		So I'll leave it at that.
		But I've been asking my guests.
		So anyway, the hotline is in the process of expansion.
		And what else is going on?
unidentified		Well, we've got other cases.
		Obviously, the historical stuff is extremely interesting.
		We've got a series of ex-military people who are retired who have been calling us.
		And that seems to be on the increase in the last couple of years, that people have seen stuff when they were in the military, and now they feel slightly less encumbered by secrecy.
		We got a very interesting case from a radar operator who was during the Korean War.
		He was operating the anti-aircraft batteries out on the west coast during the Korean War.
		And he reported a phenomenally large formation of UFOs in a circular formation that Came in on his radar screen, traveling about 250 miles an hour, right over the Hanford plant, the atomic plant that was there in 1953.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still there now, actually.
unidentified		And still there now, exactly.
		The interesting thing about this particular case was that as the formation hovered over this plant, individual members of the formation took off and came back.
		You know, they left and came back to the formation, but they were coming in and out at speeds that were over the ability of the radar to actually calibrate the speed.
		And that maximum threshold is 80,000 miles an hour and was 80,000 miles an hour.
		So these things, these single UFOs were coming back to the formation at those speeds and stopping dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this was in atmosphere?
unidentified		This was in the atmosphere, which again defies the usual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly does by a long shot, actually.
unidentified		Yeah.
		So there's a way possibly of investigating this that we're looking at right now.
		But the bottom line with this one was that there were two radar operators, and the entire formation stayed over this Hanford plant for over 30 minutes, remained hovering, as I said, with individual members leaving and returning, and then the entire formation left on exactly the same flight path that it had arrived, and it went back west over the sea.
		And this is one of many interesting cases that we've got that are of historical interest.
		We might be able to follow it up, but we're not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		80,000 miles an hour in the atmosphere.
		Yeah, that was the...
		It would simply have to, wouldn't it?
unidentified		Well, you would expect that, you know, especially at low altitudes, that that kind of friction would really destroy most of the technology that we knew of, and especially in the early 1950s.
		We certainly had no capabilities of...
		Not that I'm aware of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same here.
		All right.
		Well, so you stand ready to take and would like to have more reports.
unidentified		Yes.
		I should mention that I know two shows ago we said that we had a NIDS publication, a book that's still actually on sale for $15 at the same hotline number.
		If you call in on the hotline number, you can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the book?
unidentified		It's called The Best UFO Cases in Europe, and it's written by a German physicist.
		And it's probably one of the more comprehensive treatises on UFOs.
		It's focused on UFOs in Europe, but it really does add an extra dimension to the UFO phenomenon because it makes it, to the American audience, global.
		A lot of these cases have never been discussed or seen in North America before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Connum, so there it is.
		You can get that book, or you can report a sighting or an occurrence at Area Code 702-798-1700.
		That's 702-798-1700.
		And Conham, I want to thank you for being here once again, and we'll look forward to the next update on what you've been getting.
unidentified		Thank you very much, Art.
unidentified		It's really good to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
unidentified		Good night.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll pause here, and then we'll try and connect with Down Under, Australia, and Stan and Holly Dale.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Just one little precursor to the Deos joining us, and that is the following story by Reuters entitled, Antarctic Ice Sheet Steadily Melting.
		Check this one out.
		A big chunk of Antarctica has been melting for thousands of years and is going to continue to melt until it swamps millions of miles of coastline, scientists said Thursday.
		They said there's nothing anyone can do about it.
		And unlike other areas of the Antarctic that are melting or were, global warming probably, they said probably was not to blame, quote, during the last ice age, the West Antarctic ice sheet was 1,300
		kilometers or 650 miles more extensive than it now is in the Ross Sea embayment, as Brenda Hall of the University of Maine goes on to say that our data would suggest it has been retreating ever since the end of the ice age, probably the last 10,000 years.
		Reporting in the journal Science, they said its complete collapse would raise the global sea level by 15 to 20 feet.
		Now, where would that put you, I ask?
		Consider wherever you are, east, west, south, north.
		If sea levels rose by 15 to 20 feet, where would you be right now?
		All right, now all the way down to the continent.
		They are an actual continent, you know, of, what should we call it?
		They call it down under.
		I guess down under will do.
		It's Australia.
		Stan and Holly Dale.
		What a treat.
		Both of you are here, right?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think so.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Are you here, Holly?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		This is truly a pleasure, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Holly.
		How great to finally talk to you here on the air.
		I've talked to you privately a couple of times, but now finally here you are on the air with us.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you for having both of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did the two of you get an opportunity to hear that little piece of bumper music I played coming into this hour?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It talks about the return of our Lord, perhaps in the year 7510.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You guys think it'll take that long?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Don't think so.
		No.
		It gets a lot closer than that.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If man survives.
unidentified		Yeah.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		By the way, you can call this place the lucky country or that island paradise in the south, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not a country, you're a continent, right?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we are, but it's like a big island, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you look at it on a map compared to other big places, yes, it does.
		How, by the way, did Australia get the moniker of being a continent?
		It doesn't look like it deserves that.
		I mean, no bad reflection, I hope, but frankly, you're too small to seem a continent.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you compare size, if you were to lay us over the United States and be about the same size, who has the right to claim continents?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're nowhere near the size of our continent.
		When you consider Canada and Northlands and all the way down to South America, now you're talking about a continent.
		Going to look at Africa.
		That's a continent.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		But Australia, well, we get back an oversized island then, don't we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like an oversized island.
		Now, you know, it could be that they would change your status as they're talking about doing with Pluto.
		You know, they're talking about degrading Pluto from a planet to a, I don't know what they're going to call it.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, it used to be a moon of Neptune or something, didn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're talking of stripping it of its planetary status.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Sad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sad.
		So, likewise, maybe Australia will get stripped.
		Now, you guys have a new book out.
		Actually, I've got several books here.
		What is your latest book?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Holly, you tell me.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Your fault.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's called Dare to Prepare.
		And it's a two-fold book.
		Part of the book, about one-third, is dedicated to what we see happening with global weather changes, events with the sun, anything that affects our life, as the norm is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		And there was a time when I desperately needed these figures to convince some people that were very close to me, family and friends.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		And it was about the time that Gordon Michael Scallion was coming on with all of his earthquake predictions when he was first on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		And I could only waffle on about earthquakes.
		I knew something was up, but I didn't have any hard data.
		And it's fine to look at prophecy, but it's better, really, for most of us to have something concrete we can wrap our minds around.
		Statistics we can look at from reputable sources like NOAA and EMA and FEMA, NASA, and a whole host, USGS, of different sources.
		And that's primarily what this is, for the person that wants to be aware of what's happening and that needs to be able to point to hard statistics to help them convince other family members why we should prepare.
		And then the other half of the book is how to do it step-by-step.
unidentified		All right, let's begin with the obvious question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The title of your book is Dare to Prepare.
		The question might be, why prepare?
		A lot of people would take, oh, a very fundamentalist religious view, and that would be indeed why prepare?
		Because when it comes, our Lord is going to come back, and all canned food and all the radios and lights that you have won't mean a whole lot as you listen to the horses galloping.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the last section of the book, there is a little short story.
		There is a fellow named, remember Downing Thomas?
		And he was in his house, and he's looking at the water coming up to his house.
		And there are sirens going off, warning of disaster, warning of the floods.
		And he says, hey, I'm right with God.
		He'll take care of me.
		I don't need to worry about it.
		Then came the cop cars along with their sirens.
		And they sent out messages that he needed to evacuate.
		And Tom says, hey, God will provide.
		No problem.
		I'm fine.
		I'm here.
		So then he looks out the window and he sees the waters now to the second story window of his house.
		And the emergency rescue people come by in boats and they say, come on, Tom, come on.
		Come on, get out of the window.
		And he says, nope, he says, I'm right.
		I'll stay here.
		God will provide.
		A little later, he's drowned, and he's really mad.
		He's upset with God, and he's standing up there in front of God, and he says, hey, I trusted you, and you let me die.
		Why didn't you help me?
		And God says to Tom, but I did.
		Who do you think sent you the announcements?
		Who sent you the cop cars?
		Who sent you the rescue equipment?
		You ignored it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good point.
		And while I do believe in a Creator, not perhaps in the way that you and Stan do, I know you're a pretty fundamentalist in a lot of ways.
		I too believe that I believe in preparation, and I believe that he does help those who help themselves, which is really what you're saying there.
		And so it's smart to prepare.
		How does your book deal with preparations?
		I mean, you're looking at worsening weather, Holly.
		You're looking at the sun, which is producing all kinds of strange things and is going to be very active toward the end of the year.
		Weather patterns that have obvious.
		Our change in weather, I think, is no longer arguable.
		I think the only question Now is how far it's going to go.
		And so, with all of these things upon us and Y2K just around the corner, what kind of things do you have in your book that would help people?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		We're very practical, Art.
		The bottom line is: you do what you can with what means you have and where you are.
		We don't advocate that anybody pick up sticks and move into the desert or move into your nearest tent away from everything.
		Most of us just don't have a desire to do that, us included.
		Dare to prepare is for the urban person, the rural person, the apartment dweller, just us average people.
		And it tells how you can make your home safer, how to put away a little food, a little water, your supplies, and a lot of the things will be stuff you have right around home.
		Not only does VeriPrepare help you prepare in that manner for emergencies, but it's really good household management, how you can make some of your own cleaners much more cheaply than what you buy them in the stores, how to go into your stores and buy foods at a good price rather than, like Press is buying in bulk.
		Everybody's pretty much aware of how that is a savings.
		Sure.
		There are lots of tips like that, and there are charts upon charts of shelf lives that if you want to buy things up when they're on sale, whether it's cosmetics, paint, caulk, gasoline, your petrol.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I find in your book chart after chart after chart dealing with every manner of food and nutrition and talking about body weights and how much you should have and all the rest of it.
		You obviously have spent a great deal of time researching all of this.
		There's a lot of research went into this book, didn't it?
unidentified		Yes.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		But it was enjoyable and rewarding research.
		And a lot of it was for our own family here.
		And then we put a lot of it up on the web for free for people.
		And then looking at Y2K and so forth, I've always liked having a hard copy.
		If you have computer problems and you can't get to stuff in cyberspace, you have a hard copy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's an interesting question for the two of you.
		Y2K is coming, and we'll ask you more about it, but you are able to hear me down there in Australia on the Internet.
		How good do you think the odds are that as we progress through the 31st to the first day of the new 1,000-year cycle, you're going to be hearing me?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Ah, good question, Art.
		I do think that there will be some sort of interruptions along the way.
		How long is another question?
		I mean, Holly and I have been checking this week with our local telephone company, well, the National Telephone Company, and the power company here.
unidentified		Oh.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		And they don't really, they can't give us an answer either.
		They say, well, we think we'll be okay, but we can't guarantee anything.
		So that's about as good as I can guarantee as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's basically the same sort of answer that people are getting here, Stan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was one written, I had a letter from a power company, and they said we can provide you with power, or we absolutely probably can provide you with power.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was in attempt at humor, but I think they're really quite serious.
		Nobody quite has any idea of what is going to happen.
		Is there any betting going on down there?
		What do people in Australia think?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good lord, they probably are betting.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		They have to be conscious that there's a possible problem first.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		The power company did tell us that they are hoping that everyone will not suddenly turn on all their appliances at 12.01 on New Year's Eve because it would blow the grid if they did, to see if it's working and stuff like that.
		Holly said to them, well, have you said that in a pamphlet or have you told anybody about it?
		And they said, no, because we didn't want to alarm anybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they're caught between the devil and the deep blue sea on this one, like everybody.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		They really are.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		They really are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		So I guess we're just all going to have to wait and see what happens.
		But if we were to go for a period of time without power and or without water, which is certainly a possibility, these are things that we really have to prepare for.
		The human being doesn't last a whole long time without water, does it?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No.
		The most important resource lake to God himself, that's water.
		Life just doesn't happen without it.
		Well, when we moved to this place here, that was our prime concern was being sure we could get a hold of good groundwater here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so, Holly, in your book, what do you recommend to people about water, particularly, say, an apartment dweller in a big city?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Are you speaking for in general or for Y2K?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think it makes any difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you've got to be prepared to do without water, what advice do you give?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously, it depends on how much room you can store.
		But certainly, people, if you just take a look around, you'll find little hidey holes that you can put water, like under a table.
		People have hung them from rafters in their closets, under the bed.
		You can stick the two-liter pot bottles under there without a problem.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Even a water bed to hold water.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes, even a water bed.
		There are lots of places that you can tuck water into on top of your refrigerator, in bookcases, on top of cupboards if they don't go all the way to the ceiling.
		At least do some of those kinds of things.
		There are other measures you can take too, which might entail looking into your apartment complex.
		Is there a basement?
		Can you rent Space down there within your own complex, storage facilities, friends, family members.
		You can contra things.
		Say, hey, if you'll let me store something here, I'll give you free haircuts or whatever.
		There are ways to make it work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a good point, but I've got one possible hole in that idea.
		We'll be right back.
		Dan and Holly Dale are my guests from Australia.
		Stay right where you are.
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		Silver, thread, golden, needle, and I mend this part of mine.
		And I cannot drown myself in the warm world.
		I cannot drown myself in the warm world.
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		Instructions and charts that relate to everybody, how to do everything from composting to feeding your family to storing water to doing all of the things that you ought to be doing.
		And even if you don't do them right away, you should have the book.
		So just in case you have to do them, you will be prepared.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of the very first things that we discussed with Stan Dale in Australia was our weather changes.
		And we've been doing that now for a number of years.
		And the weather has been rapidly changing for a number of years.
		And I thought it worthwhile to perhaps inquire, Stan, what you think of the latest mess of weather that we've had about the globe and where it is going from here?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of folks have been asking that of a number of people that should be qualified to answer that.
		From my perspective, I can see that the planet is heating up, particularly the oceans, which are the main repository of the heat.
		And the North Pacific, from Japan clear across to California and Oregon, spread out like that, is definitely warming, giving signals like it's trying to be an El Nino.
		Now, the official position is that we're not going into an El Niño, but a La Nino, the cooler form of it.
		Still, if you look across the United States, the northeastern United States and several potties in the southwest, we've got drought, severe drought.
		We've got drought down here in Australia, and in fact, Melbourne, which is only about an hour and a half drive from here, announced publicly that they're going to have to go into water rationing because they're down to less than 25% water reserves for the whole city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Severe water restrictions about to be imposed there.
		So these things indicate, from what I can see on the global map, the thermal map, that the heating zones I see in the Indian Ocean, which move clear across Australia and down across New Zealand and over to South America, these are lighter than the ones that are headed for the United States right this minute.
		In my terms, I don't care whether you call it a La Niña or El Niño or El Diablo, whatever you want to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this is really what worries me because as you pointed out earlier, and as I think most people know, we should be in the opposite situation now.
		And you're saying it's not so.
		If you look at the maps and you look at the surface or the ocean temperatures, they're higher, not lower.
		Now, how could our scientists be missing that fact?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		They aren't missing the fact.
		What they're doing, it's a matter of semantics because you've got to have a thermal wall at the equator.
		You've got to have a hot zone at the equator coming up from Chile and up off the coast of Central America bending to the left or to the west and stretching out Midway and Pacific.
		And you've got to have that thermal barrier.
		If you don't have that, it's technically not an El Nino.
		You have a cold wall there, which hits the southern oscillation.
		So it's just semantics.
		If you ask them, is the weather a bit bizarre at the moment?
		Yeah, sure.
		It's climate and change questionable.
		But they see the same maps we do.
		And all they're doing is giving the edict of whether it's an El Nino or a La Nino.
		I think they're going to have to come up with a new term, though, in the next three or four months, because we're seeing signs of an El Nino breaking halfway through at the equator, the little reddish pools or dots that are appearing.
		But something else has happened in the last month.
		I've been watching it off the northeast coast of America.
		I think I told you about this probably about two years ago when El Nino was starting to affect us.
		Remember those severe snowstorms, the 27-foot drifts we had in New York and all that a couple years back?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Just before that hit, a week before that hit, I saw something similar to what I've been seeing nowadays for three or four weeks off the coast of the United States and up slightly higher, I guess closer toward the eastern Canadian border.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		But it's a blue circle, almost perfect, of cooling in the ocean there, and it doesn't move at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the Atlantic.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		In the West Atlantic.
		In fact, people who studied this, who grabbed the Otis charts off the Navy like we do, you'll look up there for the last month, I think, at least the last month.
		We've made a movie of it to see if it drifted.
		We animated it.
		And this fucker just sits there like a sinkhole sucking heat out of the ocean, which was overheated.
		And it's not something that I would think would be natural.
		You start to wonder if someone's not trying to pump the heat out artificially with something like a harper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's really something to hear.
		How large is this circle?
		Russaw.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Gee, size of, oh, let's see, on the map there, that would be, it would probably be the size of New York State.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's big.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so this circle is of intense cold, and it's literally sucking the ocean warmth into it.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		Yep.
		It's a thermal sink.
		And it oscillates back and forth and deep down.
unidentified		Wow.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was just saying it's well-defined.
		It's like a well-defined circular thing.
		It's not kind of a lazy little kind of odd pattern.
		It's circular.
		I mean, it's just so close to perfect that you have to wonder if it's not artificial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, since you told me so far ahead of time about El Nino and how monstrous it was going to be, and you were doing that for a long, long time with your readings of the ocean temperatures, we really should be paying attention to what you're saying right now.
		I've never heard of such a thing.
		Is it common to have something like this in any ocean?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I've only seen this three times, once in the Indian Ocean for a very short period, then that time I told you about off the New York coast before the snowstorms hit.
		And then I think, well, yes, then it was to break a heat wall, too.
		It was a heat sink.
		It's unusual.
		In fact, the only other time I've seen a perfect circle like that was when we got hit, the planet did, by a large proton storm thrown off the sun.
		And this was probably six months or so ago.
		I forget now exactly when.
		It was in the last year.
		And it dumped not gigawatts, but terawatts of power into the planet in less than a day, into the electric system of the planet, into the magnetic field.
		And as I was looking at the Otis maps, I've been working on a pet hypothesis that the ocean sea surface temperatures vary rapidly during the day because of electric currents and carrying the heat from one place to another.
		This is the only thing we could explain the fast movements of these thermal patterns with.
		And right after this huge proton storm hit the planet, a great huge red circle, perfect, hit right up off of Kenchatka Island, just one light north of Japan.
		And it was perfectly formed, beautiful.
		It was there for nine to ten hours, then suddenly gone, perfect, cold blue as it sunk back in.
		And then the next day, it reappeared over in the South Atlantic, between South America and Africa.
		And I was absolutely amazed.
		It was like the energy hit the planet, the electrical energy, bounced around over there and out over in the Northwest Pacific, and then disappeared back in and bounced out over in the south of the Atlantic in between the other two continents.
		So that was kind of, I mean, we could attribute that to the workings of the sun.
		And that was bigger than what we're talking about, what we're seeing here now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there any photographs on your website of this, what we're discussing right now in the Atlantic?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		There aren't at the moment.
		I've been waiting to get today's report in because I want to put that on the end of the movie.
		I'm going to actually put up an animation of that spot over the last month and show people.
		You can see how it was dancing around, or like the heat was dancing around this cold spot and disappearing into it.
		So I'll put that up.
		It'll probably be tomorrow before it goes up because I just got the data today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		But I'll put that up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll look forward to that.
		I want to ask both of you a question which you don't have to answer and certainly not in any detail.
		But I have been getting persistent rumors of an event that is going to possibly take place in the month of November.
		Are you aware of those rumors?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		In fact, we've been kind of making a lot of inquiry about those rumors to everyone we know in the astronomical community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing that as well.
		Have you substantiated anything?
		Have you had any responses that you consider either confirmation or at least suspicious?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, one, we talked to our leading astronomer here in SpaceGuard, which watch for these sort of objects.
		And he said today, he said, no, look, someone's having a linda, you're pulling your leg because we haven't got anything on detection.
		And the closest one that's going to come to us is asteroid number 1998, 0x4 in the year 2014.
		So we're not too concerned at the moment.
		He said we should have a very active November with meteor showers from the Leonids and even more active perhaps next November in the year 2000.
		And that was his official thing there.
		Now, he was the astronomer that worked next to Duncan Steele, who wrote the book about the killer asteroids back in 95.
		And this is, again, a very respected astronomer who is now over at the Naval Observatory in Ireland at Armand, I think that's where he is at the moment.
		And he said to me, I had contacted Duncan Steele about what He would do if he himself personally detected or knew of one coming to hit us, like in the short term.
		And he said, I would tell.
		If I knew, I would tell.
		I am not one of those that's going to let him tell me to be quiet.
		I would tell.
		Then another source we had in the States the answer was, I refuse to either confirm or deny, which in itself is rather interesting.
		Now, all the data that I can get at the moment does not indicate an impact.
		Perhaps a close passage might happen, but that would be from something detected in the northern hemisphere.
		Understand that the astronomers in the northern hemisphere see the northern sky with their telescopes.
		That's why it's so important to have somebody in the south, Australia, observing the southern hemisphere.
		And for three years, we haven't had anybody down here observing because the Australian government said, oh, we want to spend the money on something else.
		We're not going to look for near-Earth objects.
		You're out of money.
		Just three weeks ago, the University of Arizona said, look, we need this data from the southern hemisphere so bad.
		Here is the money in a telescope to get you started.
		Maybe the government will pick it up after that.
		Please give us data as soon as you can.
		Because fully one-third of all of the near-Earth meteorites that have been detected in SpaceGuard have been done here in Australia on the East Coast at that one observatory.
		One-third of all those have been detected.
		There's 197 near-Earth or orbit-intersecting asteroids already detected.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		And there's also 1,700 that are not yet charted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am saying we've charted about one in 10.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Interestingly enough, right when Australia is coming on stream, September 14th, the U.S. was voting in Congress whether or not to make cuts of 40% into their space card program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		I have not heard the outcome of the vote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I find that irresponsible to even consider.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		They likened it to a self-inflicted lobotomy.
unidentified		I'll tell you that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I might have some comments on that, but I'll hold them back.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		You know, Holly's put in her book, I think, did you put that meteorite strike map in your book?
unidentified		Yeah.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Okay, in the book, she's got a picture of where all the known major meteorite strikes have hit the planet.
		And while we were researching what you talked about for the November possible event, we pulled that map up and we're having a look at it.
		And I said, gosh, look at this.
		Look at where all or the majority of these craters are.
		They're in the northern hemisphere.
		And look at where the majority of those are.
		Half in the United States and half in Europe.
		He said, well, let's count.
unidentified		We count.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		30% of the meteorite impact craters that have been discovered on land and water are in the southern hemisphere, 70% in the northern hemisphere.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		And how many of those are in America?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember how we have?
		Yes, actually, I do.
		Arias, you've got that book handy.
		It's on page 81 there where it shows all the strikes to date.
		There's 158 known craters.
		And out of that 158, North America has sustained 54.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, I am looking at it.
		That's absolutely amazing.
		That really is amazing.
		I'm going to try to take a picture of this with my webcam.
		I'm going to see if I can do that.
		Get a sharp enough picture.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Europe has gotten 43 hits.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		So if you look at the Northern Hemisphere of 158, they have taken 115 hits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely astounding.
		I just took a not very good photograph of it, but I did take a photograph of it.
		So I'll leave that up there on the webcam for a little while so people can see it.
		Now, why in the world would they not be with the randomness of these kinds of numbers more evenly distributed?
		That doesn't make any sense at all.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought about that too, and I looked at the strike patterns, and I thought, well, suppose it was one very big piece that kind of splattered into a bunch of cascading things it hit, and that didn't work because these are all different ages.
		And if it had to done it, it would have probably ripped continents apart, I suppose.
		But it might be some function of the way they entered the ecliptic plane in the orbit around the sun from the northern hemisphere or something.
		I don't know.
		But I know that while we're talking, probably real estate values in the southern hemisphere are going up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How persistent have you found these rumors to be?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		They're fairly persistent rumors, but I've really called in some favors from a lot of people, and so far, the response is negative.
		It's not happening so far.
		But the case, the investigation has not stopped yet.
		There are just a number of things going on at the moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm following a number of leads, and I'm not saying much on the air other than what we have just said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it may well be just another bunch of baloney on the Internet.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		You know, Art, I wondered that.
		You've still got to check these things out, understandably, but with the Internet, it's a new kind of psychological warfare weapon that can be used against the United States.
		And if you look at the United States, a little bit of Europe and Australia, I mean, and Japan, we're the Internet users.
		So somebody from the outside, supposing they were wanting to create a bit of havoc in the United States, could certainly do that if they could start a panic over whether it be biowarfare, you know, anthrax in your milk or something, and the sun going to blow up and send a big glob of burning goo down and burn you up or something.
		If they could get the people, enough people to panic by or distrust the government, then it would work.
		It would be a great preliminary thing for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're so correct.
		You're so correct.
		And I must tell you, I have people prepared to come on the air, purporting to be from government agencies, willing to talk about this November story.
		But I don't buy it yet.
		And it would be irresponsible to go on the air with it yet.
		But I am following it.
		And I feel some responsibility to tell the audience that something is going on.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maya.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Maya.
unidentified		Ask yourself this.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, are you still there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I didn't mean to over talk here, that delay there.
		Ask yourself this.
		If the government really did want to try to release to the public without creating a panic, how would they do it?
		Probably they like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They deceived me information, Stan.
		I'm sure of it.
		Hold on, and we'll break here at the top of the hour.
		Maybe there's nowhere to run.
unidentified		In this trivial heart of the sea, where it's not received, people tell me it ain't no use to try.
		My little girl, you're so young and pretty.
		And one thing I know is true.
		I'm going to die before you stand.
		See my daddy in bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, you've got to see this picture that I just took that's in Holly's book.
		The caption is, map of known meteor impact craters on Earth.
		And if you look very carefully, it's so obvious the northern latitudes have been comparatively clobbered compared to the southern latitudes all across the Earth.
		Now, anybody want to hazard a guess in Australia there about why this would be?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking to us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're the only ones I've got on the line from Australia.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I don't know.
		I keep wondering if maybe because so much of the southern hemisphere is water compared to land, the ratio is greater down here than it is in the northern hemisphere, that maybe we haven't done enough deep ocean imaging of craters.
		But that's kind of a stretch.
		All I can think of is there must be something to do with the attitude of our planet and, say, like the top half of the solar system for some reason.
		Maybe the impactors play with that for some reason, or maybe they did in the original time because we're talking about ancient history here, not now.
		It was during the formation stage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you look, yes, but when you look at Europe and you look at the United States at similar latitudes, and then you look down into Africa, which is a very significant landmass, and South America, ditto, there's just no reason to it.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		You know, on that matter we were talking about for November.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		There's also another matter attendant to that, which I think you may be aware of what you said, but about the sun and the increased flare activity toward the end of the year, November to December.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The sun cycle so far has been really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It started off, it got pretty wild, then it calmed right down again, and I have a feeling what we're in right now is the calm before the storm, pun intended.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, I know.
		If it does go ahead and head for its peak and change, in fact, let me just say this.
		There are about three different schools of thought about how to predict when it's going to peak out in this particular solar cycle, when it's going to be the worst.
		Now, the NASA forecast is oscillating around the end of June.
		There's another one that's saying between now and December, which is from a lesser known source.
		And another group of scientists are saying that it will peak out in February, March.
		Now, either way, we're coming to a peak.
		They say we haven't reached it yet.
		And as you know, we talked about there was a point, what, a month and a half ago when it peaked at something we hadn't seen except four times before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's been very odd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've lived through a few solar cycles and I've watched them and I have never seen one like this.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No.
		And if it does throw off dust clouds from ejecta in our direction, and certainly it has come close to doing that already, because the coronal mass ejections are just coming faster than furious.
		It's like a kettle on the boil.
		It's just amazing to watch.
		Have you been getting those animations off SOVO, off the satellite?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what I'm talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know exactly what you're talking about, but a lot of people out there don't.
		So explain it to them.
		A lot of people don't even really understand the cycle of the sun and what's going on.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		The sun periodically, about every 28 to 30 days, runs through a full rotation of it.
		And we observe dark spots on the surface of the sun, which are spots that are dark because they're cooler than the surrounding gas temperature.
		These spots run in longer cycles of about 11.2 years, just a little over 11 years when they're almost gone, and then they rise to a peak in about five and a half years, and they're very dominant on the features of the sun.
		You can see it in your telescopes.
		And then they wane off, and then we go through another five and a half years where it's waning off, and then we get to the trough again, and then we go to the next peak.
		But it's not regular.
		Sometimes these rises from no sunspots to a lot of them will occur in a full cycle of just nine years instead of 11.
		Sometimes they'll run 13 years.
		And we haven't really figured out why these periods are irregular.
		In fact, we're doing good to even figure out what really causes the sunspot activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they know very, very little about the sun.
		As a matter of fact, astronomers, before we continue, just now are saying that they have studied suns, stars, suns, just like ours, thought to be stable suns, and have been stable suns, just like ours,
		that have suddenly emitted a super flare and sterilized, which would, scientists say, have sterilized every planet in the system if there was a system around that sun like ours.
		Sterilized, Sam, everything.
unidentified		Beings, microbes, everything.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		All right, just to give you a point of reference here, one single medium-sized sunspot is roughly the size of Earth.
		When we're talking about sunspots, these are massive spots up there.
		And that's not even counting a whole group of these fellows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know this.
		It was a month or two ago.
		I got a story that indicated that there had been a massive ejector from the sun, and scientists were saying they thought it was headed for Earth.
		And this was only for a few hours, and then they determined actually it was headed in the exact opposite direction of Earth.
		But it could as easily have come toward us, and it would have been really something.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We heard about that one.
		The thing is, they have a single satellite viewpoint.
		They don't have stereo vision like two widely spaced satellites.
		They're trying to put one up after the year 2000, but until we get that, they can't do depth perception.
		They can't perceive something moving farther or closer until a while has passed.
		And they're still arguing over something about the sun that is quite unusual.
		If I were to ask the average person, where is the hottest part of the sun?
		They would say, oh, in the core inside that bugger.
		It's really hot, you know.
		But that would be wrong because they're finding out that that thin, gaseous envelope around the outside that we call the corona, that kind of crowny, you know, looking thing with spikes coming off of the light around the sun, that is orders of magnitude heaps hotter than the core or the surface of the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think it's thousands of degrees at the center and millions of degrees in the corona.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		So why is the atmosphere hotter than the core of the sun, you see?
		A lot of questions we don't understand.
		And look, you've watched the sun.
		You've been in radio.
		This sun is acting very weird this cycle.
		Very weird.
unidentified		I know.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I look at those flares and the ejecta, the chronology, the mass being thrown off the sun in these super bursts of energy.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Now, it's how many do we get today, not did we get one this month?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll give you one.
		I'll give you one, Stan.
		Now, I said this on the air because I observed it myself, or somebody called, and then I observed, I forget, no matter how it happened.
		The sun is a whiter color than it used to be.
		It used to be, to my eye, more yellow than it is now.
		And anybody out there, you're not supposed to look at the sun, but I mean, you can obviously kind of squint and take your chances.
		I wouldn't do that.
		All advice says don't do that.
		You know, make a little pinhole in a box or something.
		But the sun seems to have a whiter component than it used to have, Stan.
		That may sound stupid, but I believe it to be true.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I think it is from not just a subjective opinion, but having talked to a couple of astronomers, one in the United States in the Southwest in an observatory, and one to an Air Force officer, astronomer here with a government project in Australia.
		And the sun did start emitting some new ultraviolet frequencies, about two major bands, in 1991.
		And they had special meetings about this.
		And in that band, it will add more blue light, hence, to your eye and to the housewife out there getting tearful eyes.
		It is a brighter, whiter sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No, no, fair thinking.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Great stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you make me feel so much better because I thought I was going out of my mind.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We've had a number of cases here where we've had high ultraviolet counter, like the ozone layer was thin and it was getting through where numerous housewives complained they were hanging their whites on the line to drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		And they had to use sunglasses because their eyes were crying.
		And I thought at the time, well, that's bunkum.
		And I was driving down the freeway within a couple of days and it hit again.
		And I got it driving down the freeway where my eyes just started crying from the brightness of the light.
		It's weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're exactly right.
		So there really is a lot going on.
		What is all this leading to, you two?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, Art, we don't know.
		You know, I don't know any prophets really that can sit down today like the old-timey guys and say, well, you know, in January 15th, this is going to happen.
		That's going to happen as far as disasters.
		What we do have to our advantage today is a smattering of technology, primitive as it is, which allows us to make educated guesses or what we call partially educated guesses, pegs.
		You peg things.
		And if I were making a peg on this, I would say that between now and June next year, we're going to be at extremely high risk of something extraordinary happening with the sun and what it does to the earth.
		If not that, other factors like what it's already doing as far as the heating and the global warming and the drought and the famines that are kind of in progress as we speak.
		Now, this is not an isolated fellow's opinion.
		We were just invited to attend a conference in Canberra, which is like the capital of Australia.
		And it's an Australian disaster conference.
		It's going to be in the 1st to the 3rd of November this year, sponsored by, like, you've got FEMA there, well, we've got EMA here, the Emergency Management Authority, and the Australian AGSO, which is like the same as USGS there in the States, the Bureau of Meteorology, all these people got together and are holding this huge conference on assessing the risk of the approaching disasters,
		raising the public awareness of them, reducing the economic losses and social disruption, get that social disruption from this, and preparing for response to these disasters and recovering after them.
		Those are the five major thrusts of this conference.
		And they've invited government people, non-government, private enterprise, the general community.
		They've opened it right out to specific people all dealing with saying, come, let us get together.
		We've got a problem here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got to wonder if somebody out there doesn't know something, and here's why.
		I live in a very rural county, Nye County, Nevada, in front of Nevada, as you know, near Death Valley.
		And never before in my mailbox has arrived a disaster preparedness manual, pamphlet, whatever you want to call it.
		The day before yesterday, one arrived.
		I couldn't believe it.
		And I read through it, and it didn't specifically cite anything, nor did it really even mention Y2K, for example.
		It simply suggested you begin preparing for a disaster.
		You begin preparing for something that is going to happen.
		Didn't say what.
		It was very general, and I'm sure they could just sort of slough it off if I were to call them up, but I puzzled at its delivery.
		You two, hold on.
		We are at the bottom of the hour, and we're going to do a couple of messages, and we'll be right back.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We'll ask us about Noah's Ark when you get back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Noah's Ark.
		All right, we'll do that.
		In the meantime, Holly, this one's for you.
unidentified		Holly, holy, I'm...
		Dream of holy where I am, what I tell what I believe in I hold him.
		And And I think we're missing something, aren't we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our usual little noise at the end of it all.
		So let's put that in.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Back now to Down Under and Stan and Hollydale.
		And I was supposed to ask you about the Ark.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
		A couple of things.
		Just before we get off onto the Ark, when we were talking about the CMEs on the Sun.
unidentified		Yes.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		On page 185 there in the book, there's a nice colored photo.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		It's a composite that gives you a good idea how tiny, tiny we are compared to what is thrown off the sun.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Can you see that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what page was that again, please?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		185.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		185.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you've got to recall that I can see these things, but the rest of the audience cannot.
unidentified		All right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We were thinking if you wanted to use your webcam, you might be able to do that.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Any other way to show them because we haven't got it on the web.
unidentified		185.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		There is one photo, though, that we can explain.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		It's a few things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, this is great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will take a photo of this right now.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		It kind of says it, doesn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It kind of says it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm wondering if the Earth is going to have enough resolution to get on the camera.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Put your pen up there and say, under this dot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a little arrow to it, fortunately, so I think I'm going to be able to do it here.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		All right.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Now, as far as another CME photo, a few pages before that, on 179, this was a very recent but small, and underline the word small, CME event.
		And for the person that's not looking at the book, it is four timed elapsed photos of the sun shooting off an actual CME.
		And the middle ball in this picture is an actual satellite image of the sun.
		And then there is a shield around it that if you didn't have the shield there in place, you wouldn't be able to see what the ejecta actually looks like.
		In the first photo, the sun is very hot in all four corners, if you will, of the sun.
		When you look down to the second photo, there is a blast off the upper left-hand side of the sun that is already just about 2.5 times the size of the diameter of the sun.
		That is a single CME and is not at its full explosion at that point.
		When you look down there at the third photo, and this is only a matter of two and a half minutes later, that whole explosion has blown up to three times the size of the diameter of the sun.
		And the fourth photo is about four times the size.
		And at that point in time, only three and a half, four minutes have elapsed.
		That's how quickly that is exploded off the sun.
		And this is a small CMA.
		This was taken on July the 2nd of this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Tolly, I've got a question for you.
		Let us go back to the first photograph, the one I just put on the studio cam.
		You see the sun and the relative size of the sun.
		Then you see this horrid, evil-looking flare that would appear to be, to the naked eye, about halfway between the sun and the earth if distances are relative here.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		They're not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're not.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No, we had to squeeze them up so you could see the relative size.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, anyway, and then you can see the earth, and you'll see a little arrow pointing to the earth, folks.
		And it's pretty, it's, I'm not sure what the right word is, daunting, I suppose, to look at this.
		It's on my studio cam right now.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can imagine if you had a piece of paper, letter-sized paper in front of you, the whole, if you drew a diagonal line from the upper right corner to the lower left corner, that whole left side would be just the southern corner of the sun.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		And then there's a thing about, what, what would you say, the fifth the size of that in between that side of the paper and the lower right-hand corner where that corner would be the earth, that little tiny dot down there.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		It's huge.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I'm taking the air here.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about that millis arching.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the last thing I want to say about the CMEs, every morning Stan drags down the MPEGs, the movies of the Sun and what's happened.
		This truly is just a middle-of-the-road CME.
		If you would look at the furthest portion of the matter ejected off the sun, it's about four times the diameter of the sun.
		We have seen them easily six times the diameter of the sun.
		And they are coming as often as six times a day.
		They're not always reported on the net, but when we have the satellite information right there in front of us, we can count how many are coming off the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Massive.
		It really is incredible.
		All right, on to the arc.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		About the ARC, when you said that you gotten the pamphlet in your mailbox, we had a very similar thing happen here.
		And bear in mind, this is a lucky country where nothing bad ever happens.
		About six months ago on the TV, I should probably preface this by saying, you know, our website is Noah's Ark, and we've got the symbol of the ark up there.
		On the TV, they had a Noah's Ark marching across the whole viewing portion of the TV set with a warning that saying, if this had been an actual emergency, you would have been instructed to tune to your radio for information.
		Nothing else was said about it.
		But when you think about Noah's Ark, it was in reference to an enormous event, the flood.
		It wasn't like a little tornado or a little monsoon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess they just intended that to be a symbol of, well, actually, not just disaster, but Armageddon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was about to say it's just, you know, a symbol of disaster, but when you consider Noah's Ark, it isn't that, is it?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		No, it's worse than Armageddon.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the end of civilized life on the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		But this was put out by EMA and the other emergency management teams here in Australia.
		Now, they're not being terribly vocal about it, but they are starting to get people to think that, gee whiz, we probably ought to be doing something.
		What's out there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do they know that we don't know?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		You know, one thing is interesting.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		They emailed us from that emergency manager thing and said, look, could you please put links to our site on yours, and we will send you more information you can put up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they really?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		They certainly did.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		That was a year and a half ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, why would you think they would have done that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Funny?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Art, listen.
		You know, you and I have done this before, pretending that we were the guys in charge of the government to announce this kind of stuff.
		If a real disaster is on the way of any kind like that, that's going to be potentially disruptive to the community across the country, preparing the people, you don't just come right out and just tell them outright.
		I think you do have to kind of lead up to it so that they gradually start to prepare rather than just panic.
		It's a simple matter of resources.
		Like if everybody in America, you know, you were talking about that food during a commercial there a couple of times back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		If everybody went running up to right now and said, oh, gosh, we do need to prepare.
unidentified		Let's go buy three or four months' worth of food from your shelves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely impossible.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Impossible.
unidentified		They couldn't do it.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It would collapse the whole system.
unidentified		That's right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		So I think that when you and I kind of have a chuckle about, you know, why are they doing this?
		Well, we know why.
		And it's to get people prepared for real disasters.
		They don't waste money and time on stuff.
		Not like this anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, you are.
		All right.
		Well, listen, you two.
		Would you like to take some calls?
		Do you have any other information that's a must get out before we begin to have a dialogue with people on the phones?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		One other thing, yes.
unidentified		Sure.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		We're hearing from folks, disturbing as it is, through lots of email and so forth, that people think if they get through Y2K, they're home-free, there's no sweat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		And they're talking about chucking their goods.
		What am I going to do with all my fuel?
		What am I going to do with all this food, for heaven's sakes?
		I don't need my generator.
		How am I going to get rid of this stuff?
		We cannot impress upon people firmly and strongly enough.
		Hold on to what you've got.
		There are things coming that's going to probably make Y2K look like a cakewalk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, I'm trying to think of how to respond to that.
		Obviously, you're referring to the weather changes documented by, for example, that cold spot in the Atlantic.
		God, that's weird.
		I tell you, I just co-authored a book with Whitley Streeber called The Coming Superstorm.
		And you want to talk about chillingly synchronistic what I've been hearing about the Atlantic recently.
		God, we know people.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Does it say something about that, does it?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
		I can't give it away.
		But chillingly.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		When are we going to see this book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		December.
		Probably mid-December, something like that.
		It's going to be a big book.
		It's called The Coming Global Super Storm.
		And I guess I can say it has something to do with the Atlantic and changing temperatures, rapidly changing temperatures in the Atlantic.
		So you can see why it kind of gave me a little chill when you talked about that cold spot sucking in warmth.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll be there.
		I can see why.
		Listen, while we're talking to these folks for the internet, guys, you can do you have a link up to our site on your thing?
		Does Keith have one up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we do.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, they can dive in there and look at a few of the pictures.
		I think we have one of the meteor impact that the NASA artist, Don Davis drew, or painted.
		There's probably, I don't know, 10 photos from the book there, some color, some black and white, to give people an idea of some of the things we're talking about, which might help if they can't see the webcam, obviously.
		But other than that, have them go to that site and they can get a bit of a blurb in the details of each chapter.
		We've had an outline there so they can see exactly what we're talking about, why they need to prepare.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		Well, what we need to do, and it's a fine line to try and walk indeed, is to scare people enough so that they'll go do something, but not scare them so much that they bring on a catastrophe by their own actions.
		And that's a really hard, fine line to walk.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's see what's out there.
		Let's pick up a few phone lines.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan and Hollydale in Australia.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, it's Kathy from Woodbreach, New Jersey.
unidentified		How the hell have you been?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you for getting through, Kathy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Ah, this is my favorite subject, survival.
		You know, there is a day that goes by that I am the number one pack rat of the family.
		And I go to the store almost every couple of days, and it's not because I'm running out of things.
		I'm sort of looking for different things.
		I have packaged, in case we have to leave our house, and you have to think of that, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I saw some very nice waterproof knapsacks, and I said, you know what these things would be good for?
		Packing in small survival blankets, survival kits, water, herbal remedies, whatever I need, if we each grab one and we have the car packed sufficiently, both of our cars are packed, and we have to get out of here for even a couple days, we will be okay.
		People don't think that while they're saving for the food for just any kind of disaster, because weather is going to be terrible this year, I can feel it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		It's 32 degrees here in New Jersey tonight.
unidentified		I don't know what's going on, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		32 degrees.
unidentified		Did any of you remember Mr. Holliman?
unidentified		He worked for CNN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John Holliman passed away in a car accident.
unidentified		Yes.
		John Holliman, about four months before that happened, was sitting with a panel on CNN talking about El Nino.
		He looked at them and he said, El Nino, you haven't seen anything yet.
		Wait for solar flares, CNEs.
		And there was a hush.
		No one said a word.
		And I'll never forget that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You two, would you like to comment from Australia?
		I think she's absolutely right.
		John Holliman was a science reporter for CNN before he met his untimely, early, tragic end.
		And as she pointed out, he sat there and said exactly what she just repeated.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly, we think the sun will be instrumental in causing the most problems here.
		And it's the hardest thing to get away from because they are almost global events.
		They affect everybody.
		It's not an earthquake that's localized.
		The other thing that Kathy touched on, and it's really, really good preparedness, Kathy, is having the packs in your car.
		One of our web friends here that's in our building community group, they were in the tornadoes in BB this past January.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		What did I say?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		BB, Arkansas.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, BB, Arkansas.
		And his wife is a dispatcher, and she knew that they weren't going to be able to get home.
		And they had three tornadoes.
		One landed in their front yard, one landed in their backyard.
		And they were in a reinforced hallway with two dogs and the son.
		And they had all their survival stuff in there, the blankets, the flashlights, candles, and oil lamps, and the whole nine yards.
		His wife, Karen, can't get home.
		But she had her 72-hour kit in her car, and she was able to have food and water and warm clothing and all that right there where she needed it.
		Right after the tornadoes hit, martial law was imposed and all the water was turned off.
		And they had filled the tub up, and these people were in their own yard the next day, and martial law told them to go back inside their home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		You could, if you were a resident, you could leave the premises, but you were not allowed in.
		And Kathy being a dispatcher, when she finally tried to get back into her home, was stopped four times in a space of two miles.
		So it's good, good, good planning to have, whether it's summer or winter or whatever, it's very good planning to have your 72-hour packs in your car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you really can't depend on authorities because they will, if necessary, impose martial law.
		There are plans well in place for all of that.
		And whether or not they will then see to it that your needs are cared for, I think is highly suspect.
		But they will indeed, as was just pointed out, keep you in your home.
		So if you're not prepared, then you're not prepared.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I think they don't want to scare people, but they need to start preparing.
		It's a function of personal responsibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was one more thing, Stan.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that you should tell everybody what you really do believe in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you believe that whether they make use of an emergency that is Something they're aware is coming, or they perpetrate one, it is your belief, isn't it, that we're going to end up with martial law and with some kind of severe control, whether it's trumped up or real.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think globally, I move Outside the United States, globally, we are heading for a consolidation of power on a massive scale.
		Whoever wins in the conflicts that are starting now will end up being a totalitarian structure of some sort because our technology is so advanced on the planet, and it's not all just in America or Europe, that people can be monitored wherever they move on the planet.
		And we're heading toward a global government, and that will require, in the early stages of it, something like martial law.
		It'll certainly be very, very strong, and they'll have authority probably to kill people on the spot if they don't count out what the new orders are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far away from something like that do you think we might be?
unidentified		Heart, we could be two or three months away.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		could be a year or two away.
		As soon as the United States gets in severe trouble, I think all heck is going to break loose across the planet because there are going to be opportunists trying to bring America down then.
		If you have a state, say for instance, say next month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean there's nations that would want to bring us down, Stan?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I know that's a surprise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
		Stay right there.
		Bad moon rising indeed.
unidentified		I'll be all the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to the words of this one.
unidentified		I see there's waves of lightning.
		I see bad times today.
		Don't worry about the night, but if I'm sick of that, there are the bad moons on the rise.
		I hear hurricanes of the wind.
		I hear hurricanes of the wind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I've got a couple of questions that I've got to fire down to Australia, and then we'll go back to the phone lines.
		Question number one, and these are not going to be easy ones, Stan.
		Question number one is, it was told to us that you were aware or you knew what the third secret of Fatima is.
		Do you, in fact, know what the third secret of Fatima is?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I had told to me was by a Jesuit priest who was apparently privy to this in the Vatican when the Pope had...
		Was it John 23 that opened it up?
		I can't remember who was the one that opened it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe once previously, you sort of expounded on this a little bit.
		And then I had Father Malachi Martin on, and somebody asked him if your description of the Third Secret was accurate.
		And he said, and the Father had seen the Third Secret.
		He was an advisor to two popes.
		He'd actually seen it himself.
		He said, what you said sounded correct.
		That's why I'm bringing this up.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, part of it was when the Pope had opened it, it was in the late 50s, as I recall that the priest said to me, when he opened it, he fell to the floor in a dead faint after he read what the Third Secret said.
		The reason he thinks that he fainted first was because, or primarily, was because it said that the last Pope would be an anti-Christian pope, that he would turn against the faith and he would lead the flock astray.
		Now that's what I had told you at the time that Malachi Martin was on.
		In fact, he was online, I think, just right after that.
		That's right, I asked that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		That's what he was referring to.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		What else do you know?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a difficult subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you want to refuse to answer this, you're welcome to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you do know, you should tell us.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm trying to figure out.
		Well, first of all, okay, I suppose if the first part of it was correct, the rest of it may be as well.
		But understand, Ollie and I try to interpret ancient prophecies from a lot of sources, and primarily now the biblical ones, because they seem to be fairly exactly accurate as far as we can tell.
		But we look at Nostradamus and what was her name, Mother Shippen in England, who was known as the state for being a witch because she said these things from the Bible.
		But what I think was in that third secret was about the failure of the church, of the Roman Catholic Church, and the Protestant children of it, in that they would be overthrown by a new military-political complex that would be global in nature, and it would turn on the church and destroy it.
		Before that happened, that the last Pope, of course, would concede to them in an effort to make peace, and that's kind of why I think he thought he'd be like the Antichrist or something, or false prophet or something.
		And we have been trying to analyze this to see some other way from the Bible, but in the book of Revelation, we're seeing that is basically what it's saying, is that the Catholic, Protestant, the Western Christian religions have turned or will have turned away from the original teaching so far that they will be treated like a harlot in the Bible,
		it says, and will be consumed by a consortium of political powers that will turn on it and destroy it.
		I think they call it Babylon.
		And for a long time, I've wondered whether America was Babylon, but it couldn't be.
		It's like the third secret was saying, I think it's going to be an apostate religious thing over the whole planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the one thing that Father Malachi Martin said to me was, Art, if you can imagine and close your eyes and imagine the worst thing possible, it is worse than that, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what he said.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, A lot of people are going to die if the rest of it follows.
		And I must confess, I can only remember parts of it.
		It was, what, 25 years ago that I sat and was told this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that description sound accurate to you, though?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Look, Holly has put in her book, and I've put in my books, and we've said it in your program before.
		It is so bad, what we're seeing in our technical science is coming so close to the beginning of what we see in the prophecies in the Christian faith, in the apocalypse, the really heavy stuff, that we really can't say to anybody, that's a safe place, that's a safe place.
		All we can say is get your spiritual part in order, your soul in order, get right with God, because the chances are that half the planet are going to be dead before the next 10 years is up, maybe even less.
		If I understand what it said correctly, we've still got to have another pope come to power.
		But, yeah, Holly, do you have anything to add to that?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Just that the natural disasters, whether it's meteor impact, the sun getting hot, drought, famine, all those things are prophesied in Revelation.
		It is spooky.
		And the more you get into it and you understand the symbology and kind of weed off all that stuff and don't be put off by it, it's all there.
		It's all there.
		And in fact, that information is so prevalent all the way around back in sixth grade Sunday school class, we had to read the Bible.
		Well, when I got down to Revelation, I thought, what in the world are they talking about?
		I don't get this at all.
		But the things like earthquakes stood out and, you know, really dire prophecies.
		I thought, there's got to be an easier way to get to this information than through Revelation that I don't understand.
		And 30 years after that time, I read New Age stuff.
		If it were printed, I read it and just put my teeth into everything I could.
		And two things came out of that.
		One, we were headed for intense earth changes.
		And two, there was a lot of conflicting information out there.
		And everybody supposedly thought they had it right.
		And if they all had it right, it should all be the same.
		But it wasn't.
		So in the last year or so, I've gone back to the Bible and really started delving into it.
		And maybe I wasn't supposed to understand it back then.
		Maybe I was supposed to read all this other stuff in the interim time.
		But through a couple of other authors that have written wonderful commentaries, it's like the blinders have been removed.
		And everything that you read about in New Age material, the things that we're seeing from science, and the things we're happening on the planet is predicted in Revelation.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		She's really been working hard at this.
		I've got to tell you, she gets up in the morning a couple hours before I do, and she's got her notebook out, and she's pouring over the stuff and finding out new things about the coding, which are quite logical.
		It's nothing, you know, super-seeker.
		You just got to sit down and read and study this stuff.
		And I know it sounds like we fall into that category of your fundamentalist Christians, and maybe we are.
		I wish you've got to put a label on it.
		But we try to be, hopefully, a little objective in understanding what that book says and compared to current events in science.
		We are quite sure we're very close to the changeover from life as we used to know it to what's going to be for another thousand years very shortly.
		I think the earth changes that the Hopi Indians have talked about are just a reflection of what's in the Bible.
		I mean, remember when I told Holly, I'd been over to see the Hopi Indians, and they were building underground kivas or like igloos out of thick mud underground for the heat?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know what they believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're close out there.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know exactly what they believe.
		Stan, leaving that for a second, a couple of other questions.
		Would you please ask Stan and Holly about their take on the situation in East Timor, specifically with regard to the former Suharto plan to invade Australia?
unidentified		Okay.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Now, Holly will chip in here where she feels like it, I'm sure, because she wrote about this in the book.
		Believe us or not, she's got the lines drawn in there showing about the Suharto government was taking the top half of Australia, claiming it's its own.
		And then she showed where Douglas MacArthur had established what was called the Brisbane Line, the southeast corner of Australia, which would be defended, the only place they could defend in World War II if the Japanese invaded.
		Well, now then, that Brisbane line is being seriously rediscussed as we can defend Brisbane, Sydney, and Melbourne and Adelaide.
		And all those cities and towns in that southeast corner are all we're going to be able to defend if the Indonesians come down.
		Now, my eldest son in Australia is in the Australian Army and at present is in training, getting ready to be shipped up to Timor.
		Now, he's still not covered by any secrets yet, so he's told me what's been going on up there.
		And I don't know whether you would have heard about it on the press, but when the Australian troops went up there to peacekeep and to be a caretaker kind of government while the transfer of power went from Indonesia to the Timorese, when they arrived, the 2,500 troops arrived, there were Poles all through the town there of Peely, I think it is, at the Timoreport where they were.
		And these Poles had heads, fresh-cut heads stuck on them.
		And these guys are really kind of nasty business.
		I mean, they're gross.
		And we've already had two boys shot in an attack.
		There was an attack on Australian troops yesterday, I think it was.
		And they had survived it.
		Their whole section was attacked, ambushed, and they killed two of the enemy, and the rest got away.
		But now then, they've changed it from a peacekeeping status to now it's a military action in Timor.
		We've crossed the line as of today.
		We here in Australia fully expect the Indonesian Army to turn on us and come for us shortly.
		They have taken our weapons away privately.
		They have run our weapons down in the Army because of budgets they put into social services rather than the military.
		Same as they've done in parts of the States as well.
		However, in this case, I'm not too sure but what the Indonesians are going to get a surprise when they come down.
		We know they're coming.
		We have 19, well, at least 19, American research bases here in Australia.
		Most of them are underground or way out of the cities.
		I am aware, have been aware for probably 15, 20 years, of some of the research that we've been doing there.
		And although I will not discuss it openly over the air, what kind of weapons we have there, I must tell you that if called upon, the Australian Research Defense Network down here can thoroughly protect Australia from the Indonesian hordes coming in.
		Whether it happens or not is another question.
		But that's our main line of defense, is the American presence down here in the high-tech region.
		You don't need soldiers when you've got these kind of weapons, I promise you.
		So we are reasonably certain that they're coming down, and we're going to have a conflict here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How prevalent in the news there in Australia is the situation in East Timor and the things of which you are now speaking?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Daily.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Daily.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Big, big news coverage.
		Specials.
		There are some channels that cater primarily just to news.
		It is always the lead story.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It is going to run.
		I asked my son how long he thought it would take for the engagement was over up there.
		He said, this is going to run years.
		It's not going to be over in a hurry.
		He said, we're all getting geared up.
		In fact, they've already asked for budgets here to recruit more men and get reserves trained and ready.
		They're going to soak up the Army now.
		We're going to have a war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope it goes well for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it does occur, I hope it goes well for you, and it sounds like you know it will.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		After today, Nate was telling us that when those two boys were killed, it has now been considered a war.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		It is no longer just a peacekeeping mission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does East Timor or the Indonesians, should they decide so, do they really have the resources and the capability to come after you?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		They've been buying weapons from the United States.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We in Australia have been training them in our tactics and our aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do that too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We train our enemies, too.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's cleverly done.
		And they have 200 million people living on a chain of islands probably the size of three Texases or something like that.
		And we're here in Australia with 20 million people, if we really stretch it, maybe 18 and a half.
		Yeah.
		I'll let you say that in a second, but sorry, getting the instructions on the boss here.
		And the army they've got up there outnumbers what we have in manpower, 10 to 1.
		It's like, remember the Alamo.
		10 to 1.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's kind of uncomfortable.
		Well, and in view of the size of Australia and the population, it just doesn't seem possible.
		I mean, Australia is gigantic compared to all of Indonesia.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of dirt, but not people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mayor, that's a good point.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what, there have been a number of scenarios discussed, and we're aware of some of the plans that Suhargo's people, or the military, have had.
		One was freighters coming into port, into our major cities, and out of the freighters at night coming commando teams, which hit our power, communications, water, et cetera, et cetera, and just wipe the cities so that the others can come in from international waters and take the cities.
		Obviously, we're aware of that, so we've made contingencies for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, we're sure not hearing about this stuff in America except now.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, eventually you will probably have to hear about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I fully understand.
		Stan, hold on, Holly, hold on.
		We will be right back.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Falling in love was the last thing I had on my mind.
unidentified		Holding you with the warmth that I thought I could never find.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, check out my webpage.
		Studio Camp.
		Look at the earth.
		Look at the sun.
		and feel small.
unidentified		Oh, baby, I don't have to.
		I'm so happy.
		I don't care for the answers to the questions that keep going through my mind.
		Baby, if I'm a child, I'm just not too bad.
		I'm so happy.
		I'm so happy.
		I'm so happy.
		Hi, Damon.
		Damon's a 13-year-old boy who has autism.
		Today, Easter Seals is helping him learn how to operate a cash register.
		I'm going to pretend that I'm a customer.
		May I help you?
		I would like one bag of potato chips.
		Hawk turns.
		Vocational training like this teaches communication skills for job placement, making Damon someone who can count and be counted on.
		So I owe you 90 cents.
		How much change do I get?
		Terms are very good.
		Easter seals.
		I like family chips.
		I'm so good to talk to you.
		She's all potential, but to reach it, she needs help.
		That's where you come in.
		Too many children today are victims of poverty, abuse, and neglect.
		Foster grandparents share 20 hours a week with kids.
		They receive a small stipend and a whole lot of love.
		It makes me happy.
		Call your local foster grandparent program for 1-800-424-8867 and give a child a chance.
		She's only got one grandfather, isn't he?
		I worry about my mom's safety.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't mean it's accurate.
		It could be recirculated B.S. from the internet.
		But I feel compelled to read it to you, and I'll probably get in trouble for it, but I think I'm going to do it.
unidentified		One more and come, and you'll still go.
unidentified		Yeah, we'll do that in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay right there.
unidentified		Stay right there.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to repeat, what I'm about to read you may be nothing more than internet recirculated BS garbage.
		But it is all over the internet, and I have it from other sources that I can't really talk about right now.
		But you've got to understand that all of it, even from these other sources, could be recirculated garbage.
		But I have a fax from Teresa in Florida that I'm going to read, which reads as follows.
		Dear Art Bell, do you really think that the government of this country or any other will let you broadcast any information about the three asteroids due to hit November 7th until they are visible with the naked eye and can no longer be denied?
		Get real.
		They'd shut you down, terminate you personally, blow up your studio, whatever it would take to silence the events as long as conceivably possible.
		There are people who need to know, however, it has been reported or rumored that one will impact Alberta, Canada.
		The other two are Atlantic Ocean impacts off New York shore and slightly northwest of Africa.
		If true, there are tens of millions of people that will be wiped out by the wave immediately, right?
		And what of the impact blast in Alberta?
		The governments are not prepared to handle a seaboard evacuation globally.
		The volcanoes on the Pacific Rim would erupt.
		You know, that stupid law, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
		What in the hell would the Midwest do with 40 million coastal refugees?
		They're not going to allow people the knowledge to evacuate or prepare because that would cramp the ill-prepared central country infrastructure.
		This, in fact, may be necessary just to allow accidental survival of some to continue the human race.
		That's it.
		That's what Teresa sent.
		And as I said, that may be recirculated, regurgitated, internet garbage.
		But I can tell you it's all over the internet.
		So all I'm doing is reporting on what the internet is coughing up all over the place.
		But I do have some other sources on this.
		And what about you, Stan?
		Does that sound anything like what you've heard?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I saw the same rumors.
		That's what I've been checking on.
		I wasn't being specific for obvious reasons, but I've had several reports in the last 48 hours of something else equally disastrous.
		And I don't know, this isn't from official sources.
		It's from the Philippines and from the United States.
		A couple of Christian folk have been able to, I don't know, have visions and see things just before they happen, like the Hurricane Floyd that just hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		And the summary paragraph on the one I got here says just about three sentences long, says this.
		This week, if my information is correct, there will be a major, underlying major devastating earthquake on the west coast of the United States in the next few days.
		See below for possible date.
		Well, we're due.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're due, Stan.
		I mean, look at where the earthquakes have been, and the U.S. west coast has been relatively quiet.
		We're due.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I haven't checked the map today to see if we've got any pressure built over our thermals.
		I will check a bit later.
		But these two people have said that it's going to be the beginning of judgments, you know, this big earthquake.
		And certainly, I mean, it may be, but it's like the emails you've been getting on these three asteroids.
		You listen to it, and you try to fathom out from your own kind of inner thoughts whether this is true or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea, and I want to be very clear about that.
		Right now, I know this only to be truly ripe all over the Internet, and that's how I'm reporting it as an Internet rumor.
		And I don't want anybody confusing it with anything else.
		What I just read to you is nothing more at this point, to my knowledge, personal best knowledge, nothing more than an Internet rumor.
		But believe me, it's all over the place, sort of on the QT.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Right on the heels of what Stan received on that Philippine prophecy came an email from somebody that I don't know.
		And normally, after a while, when you talk to enough folks often enough, you recognize names and emails if you don't have a volume of mail that you do, mind you.
		This was rather timely.
		Right after the Loma Pareta quake in California, it's coming up on the 10-year anniversary, USGS, underwritten by Red Cross, was asked to put together a pamphlet, which they did, a 24-page full-color pamphlet telling people exactly what to do, How to mitigate damage, protect yourself, and so forth.
		They are redoing that pamphlet, and there are 3 million copies of this in print.
		It's done very well.
		They are releasing a new one in one week's time on the 14th.
		And in the old pamphlet, they also explained about there being a big quake in the Bay Area, the big one, by the year 2020.
		In this new pamphlet, it does not give you a clue what it will be, but they have updated the probabilities in this report.
		And it also includes the entire Bay region.
		And the quote is, making preparedness message more vital than ever.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		What do you need, an engraved invitation?
unidentified		Yeah.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, they say the 11th of October in this Philippines guy thing.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		He said there's going to be a volcano erupting he saw and huge earthquake on the 11th of October on the west coast somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, gee whiz, we've only got three days.
		All right, listen, you two.
		I know that you've got the book out, Holly.
		The book is not in American bookstores, and so I would like to ask you what people can do to get your book.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, it is handled by John and Katie Miller at Phantom Bookshops.
		They handle all of Stan's books.
		But this book was, as you can tell, lots of pictures, lots of photos, and so forth.
		It was very expensive to reproduce or to produce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It must have cost a fortune.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		And as a result, we really can't afford to have a middleman in there.
		So John and Katie do handle it in Phantom bookshops.
		And Stan has the phone number for folks that are not on the Internet.
		And you can also order directly through our website, Dan York, who has graciously set up a shopping cart for us.
		It is now a secure site and can be directly ordered over the net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's good.
		And we have a link up for people on the Internet.
		Stan, for people who are not on the Internet, there is a phone number.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		There certainly is.
		I've got Santa Book's phone number in Ventura, California.
		It's area code 805-641-3844.
		I'll say it for you again, 805-641-3844.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a very serious book, folks.
		It's called Dare to Prepare.
		And it is full of all kinds of extremely valuable information.
		It's by Holly Drennan Dale, D-E-Y-O.
		And you can get it by calling Area Code 805-641-3844.
		And I know a little bit about the book business because I've had a couple out.
		And I know this book must have cost you a fortune to produce.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We hawked our firstborn, let me tell you, for this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wish you well with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly the timing is just about right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is one we did it.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We knew that people had to get the information in a form that they could absorb rapidly and it would stick with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pictures do that as well as the writing.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, you've done that yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before this hour ends, I want to add one more thing, and that is, ladies and gentlemen, there is a breaking news story that's going to break in the Dallas Morning News with respect to what did, in fact, occur, what was known about Waco.
		And this is going to blow the top off everything.
		So you might want to check it out.
		It's by Lee Hancock, and it's going to appear in the Dallas Morning News.
		Today is Dallas Morning News.
		And I think a lot of people are going to be very angry when they read this.
		I just wanted to get that in.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Stan and Hollydale in Australia.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, I'm Jessica from La Crosse, Wisconsin.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Please bear with me.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		I have a cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite all right.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, Art, for accepting my call.
		I've spoken with you many times, and I have everything under the sun, nope, unintended on the sun, from C-Crane Company.
		However, please don't click me off.
		I'm on an AM radio.
unidentified		You keep fading in and out.
unidentified		Okay.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		The last name spelled again.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, nice meeting you, Sam and Dolly.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		And you're welcome.
unidentified		Is your last name spelled D-I-S-M Dog-E-Y-O?
unidentified		Yes, ma'am.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I got that, and I did get the phone number.
		And I wanted to ask you one quick question.
		We have a Y2K Monday through Friday for five minutes on 1410 Rhythm radio.
		And the man said about the water, well, I have 22 bottles now for me and my cat.
unidentified		The boys left the home.
unidentified		Doesn't believe in Y2K?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well.
		Anyway, he says that the water, even though it's sealed, lasts only three months.
		If this is true, I'm in big trouble.
		Well, there is something you can do about that.
		Actually, all the information that we've run across with Red Cross and the other agencies like EPA, if you store tap water, which you assume it's been treated and chlorinated, no, this is in the store, your bottled water.
		You'll have to look at the expiration date because it doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do the wild thing at 775-727-1295.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		There's a problem with purchasing bottled water.
		If you buy particularly distilled water, those are in biodegradable jugs.
		And those jugs will not last themselves beyond six months.
unidentified		Okay.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Water that, and that's already sterile.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		That's good water.
unidentified		Yeah, this is sterile.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		The minerals.
		This is distilled water that your body needs.
		So at least it's not three months, it is six months, right?
		Well, I'm talking about water that is tap water.
		That's six months.
		She's talking about chlorinated water versus as far as your water that you purchase from the store, you need to look at the expiration date that is on that container.
		They don't have one.
unidentified		Okay.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		And it's all over.
		Well, I guess my first question is: why are you buying water when you can get it free?
		Well, I didn't know.
unidentified		I didn't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, Holly's saying that the chlorinated water has a better shelf life than probably than that which you buy in the store.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I'm glad I found that out.
		It doesn't cost you anything.
unidentified		Right.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Take a two-liter pot bottle.
		I've already done all that.
		Sterilize that and put in your water.
		Now, if you don't want to change it in only six months, put a squirt, an eyedropper full of chlorine in there.
		Right.
unidentified		I know.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		And you'll be good for a couple of years.
		Okay, I have empty milk jugs that are really clean, so I'm going to do that on the tap water and the bleach.
		I know about that.
		Don't do the milk jugs.
		Milk jugs are not going to last beyond six months.
		They will degrade.
		Oh, water everywhere.
unidentified		I see.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Just use the two-liter bottle with the tap water.
		Yeah.
		Okay.
		All right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Is it a glass jug?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Is it a glass jug?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
unidentified		Plastic.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Those don't last.
unidentified		And he was right.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		He was absolutely right.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and one last question.
unidentified		I think, Art, you might have to clarify this for me.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		I think it was last night the minister, Stan, somebody came on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Said he had four dinosaurs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		And then there was another gentleman that came on, and he said down in Australia, they are not dinosaurs, they are lizards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That you have lizards in Australia that look just like dinosaurs.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We do.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		I tell you what, you don't want them to kind of run up your leg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're big fellas.
		45, six foot long.
		Four, five, or six feet long.
unidentified		That is a dinosaur.
		No kidding.
		Like the Cadota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, ma'am, thank you very much for the call.
		And Sam and Holly, you have a choice now to hang around or we could terminate at this hour.
		Your choice.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We're easy here.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We're just coming to evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just coming to evening.
		All right, then.
		Stay right where you are.
		And with the subject matter in mind, this song would seem completely appropriate.
unidentified		i'm art bell I tried to wait for you, but you have failed to find whatever happened to our love.
		I wish I'd be listening.
		It is a phase of life.
		It is a phase of life.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Ann Australia, and welcome back, you two.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We probably want to lay as heavily as we can into the phone lines this hour and just let people ask you questions, if that's okay with you.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Listen, one thing I thought to tell you is just as an interest point, on our website, we have some new pictures we've just put up.
		One of the pictures is of our storage area where we've got food and things put in a storage niche in our warehouse type thing.
unidentified		Sure.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		And it shows people how we've arranged things.
		I mean, it's kind of got stuff on the floor still because when we took the picture, we hadn't put everything on the shelves.
		But we've got that, plus some pictures, some really nice color pictures we put up that we took in the last week.
		In fact, even some as late as yesterday of the farm around here using a Nikon CoolPix 950 camera, which is absolutely wonderful.
		It just makes tremendously high-resolution color pictures, and you just shove batteries into it, and that's all you've got to do.
		But we've taken those and put them on the web so you can see what it's like down here next to the volcano where we live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel about living near a volcano?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Not a problem.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		It's being quiet leaving us alone, so we're leaving it alone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, again, your website, of course, is linked to mine.
		A lot of people are used to going to mine, so just get on my website, as usual, and scroll down to Stan and Holly's name.
		Click on that, and off you go to their website, and you can see what they're doing.
		All right, here we go.
		First time call online.
		You're on the air with Stan and Holly Dale.
unidentified		Hi, Holly.
		This is Emberly from Dayton, Ohio.
		I'm glad your book's out.
		I've got a question for you, though.
		Years ago, I had prepared by becoming a nurse, so if we had martial law or something, I could get around, basically, and could barter my services.
		My question is, how are we going to get through with should we buy silver or gold, or should maybe we buy food as a bartering tool?
		Which one should you invest in more, or maybe gold or silver?
		And also, what are we also going to do about like antibiotics and things that we have to get a hold of there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I have some suggestions about the latter.
		What do you think about the bartering scheme?
		If things fall apart, what recommendations do you make, Holly, or Stan?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		It depends on how much money you're speaking of.
		If you're talking about $20,000, obviously you're probably not going to want to put all of that into foodstuffs.
		But you can't eat silver, and you can't eat a gold coin.
		If you're looking for the short hedge over Y2K and then want to cash back out and put those funds back into the market or whatever, very possibly, yes, you want to put some money in coin.
		But as Stan and I have always said, it's best to have the hard goods.
		You can either consume those yourselves, whether it's medical supplies, a pup tent, food things, beverages, or whatever else you might need, and a disaster.
		Those things are good for yourself or for bartering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		She asked then about antibiotics.
		And I will offer this much without saying any more, because I don't want to specifically have anybody break the law.
		But there are other countries around the world that do not require doctors' prescriptions for antibiotics.
		So that's just a piece of information people might file away in the back of their minds.
		Other than that, Holly, what would you suggest to somebody who might, in the middle of some sort of emergency, get an infection and not have access to a doctor to write a prescription?
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		What we have done here, Art, is look around for a doctor that is a little bit heads up and just say, hey, you know, we're going out on a long trip and we're going to go out into the bush and may not be back for a month or two.
		Would you set us up with some antibiotics?
		And you just have to do a little checking around to see who is amenable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you have a difficult time finding a doctor who would do that?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's going to take a little checking around.
		And unfortunately, well, I don't know.
		I wonder if it's stricter there in Australia or here.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think they're fixing to outlaw the colloidal silver as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I hadn't heard that.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Now, we had that from some people that distribute it that are into herbal remedies.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		It's looking to be put under FDA jurisdiction and that it would not be obtainable through the net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I noticed that in your book there are very simple instructions on how to make your own colloidal silver.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		That's the whole point.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		It is so simple to do yourself, then outlawing it, it's ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I must inform you, I have not made up my own mind about the effectiveness of colloidal silver.
		It may be effective in some situations, but with regard to protection from cold, viruses, and the flu and so forth, forget it.
		Because I'm telling you, I went on a trip and I took some colloidal silver with me, and I drank it, and I snorted it.
		And while I was on the airplane, I did everything.
		I damn near bathed in that stuff the whole time, and I came back and I got the worst flu I've ever had.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, you said it was virus versus bacteria.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		We were talking strictly bacteria.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it may be effective for that.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		You know, the Roman army used to equip its troops with fresh garlic because it contains a natural antibody called alium.
		That's right.
		When all else fails, maybe that would help.
		I'll tell you another interesting thing.
		If you've got wounds that are infected and you're thinking, well, you know, gangrene, all that, that sounds gross.
		But prisoners of war from the United States in, ooh, was it World War II, I think it was, discovered this that if you let flies, you know, blow flies, blow larva into the wound, they will clean it out and you can scrape them off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really are right.
		That sounds gross, but whatever works, huh?
		Beats the alternative.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Stan and Holly Deo in Australia.
unidentified		Hey, good morning, Art and Stan and Holly.
		Good morning.
		This is Dan in Virginia.
		I believe it was July 29th.
		There was a crop circle that showed the eclipse, and I believe there were three objects on the side of the, outside the eclipse.
		And then I believe they took pictures during the eclipse that verified that.
		I think Richard Hoagland was talking about that on your show about six weeks ago.
		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I was just wondering if Right.
		Yes.
		The answer is yes.
		That if you want to follow this train of thought, if you want to believe these rumors, that's probably the genesis of them, these objects that were spotted during the eclipse.
		Now, again, as far as I know at this stage, nobody out there should treat this as anything more than just a really strong internet rumor.
		It's all over the place, and I don't want to get anybody overly concerned about it.
		But on the other hand, I think it's fair to report on something that is ripping its way through the internet.
		But I'm reporting on it in that way.
		I don't want to hear one person out there say, I said this is going to happen, because I am not saying that.
		I'm saying it is a damn rumor.
		I hope it's a rumor.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan and Holly Dale.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
unidentified		We are in Michigan, and we're watching you on the internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hi there.
unidentified		You look great.
		Can you wave to the camera?
		You can make everyone here really happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am waving at you now, and you'll see it in about a minute or two.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		You're the best.
		All right, my question to your guests.
		A while back, the subject of a totalitarian government taking over maybe even within a few months came up.
		Yes.
		And my question is not to the when, but more to the how, because for something like that to happen and for a kind of martial law to take over and control, it would take a lot of people.
		And I was thinking that even if everyone in the American Army and then all the police and all the reserves were brought under the control, I mean, logistically, it seems like it would be impossible.
		But even if they did that, like, do you think that a totalitar government could really take over that way?
		Because if I were in the military, I would want to go find my family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all, sir, all control over the civilian population depends on the majority of the civilians cooperating with that authority.
		So in other words, if they tell you, stay home, do not leave your home, the breakdown would occur if people, a large portion of people, said to hell with that, I'm going down to the store.
		Well, obviously, that would be a problem.
		So even current law enforcement, we don't have enough police.
		I mean, we've got 260 million people in America, and if even a small percentage of them decided to become unruly all at once, there's not nearly enough police.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She answered your question.
		If the people cooperate, then I suppose there wouldn't be riots and what we fear is the worst if they don't.
		Stan, Holly?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're looking at it purely as what happens in America to overthrow America from within America by military law.
		What I'm talking about is a global picture where I think America may be subtended to a global authority and our troops may be put into like a new form of United Nations where our troops are taken off somewhere else and somebody else's troops are brought in to do the dirty work.
		This will happen, I think, mainly in the wake of a serious disaster.
		I mean a big disaster that hits not only the United States, but other countries.
		During the wake of a crisis, it's very easy to let martial law flip in because that's what brings you food and water and provides for your security and needs and communication, all that kind of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And actually, Stan, it's logical.
		In other words, in that kind of a situation, martial law actually is necessary.
		I can see situations where it would be necessary.
		I can also see situations where it could be so easily abused.
unidentified		Sure, that does always happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we have plans now.
		Look, if my government does not have plans to implement civilian control in the case of a major disaster, then it is negligent.
		It must have such plans.
		FEMA has them.
		Your equivalent of FEMA there in Australia has them.
		And they would be negligent not to have them.
		Now, is somebody cooking up a scheme in a back room to use them for some nefarious purpose?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		All right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Look, you know, a lot of people, myself included, when I was a lot younger, complain about a new world order or world government.
		There's nothing wrong with getting everybody under one fair law, under one economy, cultural bias, et cetera, et cetera.
		There's nothing wrong with that.
		But the problem is, from where we are today in the fragmented world states and different religious biases and different political structures, we can't easily legislate or vote to go from where we are to being whatever this new world order would be.
		It is going to take, as Reagan said, as the former Prime Minister of Australia Robert Hawkes said, it is going to take an alien invasion, whether real or contrived, to bring all the nations and religions together long enough to try to set up a world government.
		And that fact still stands.
		That's the only hope that they have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, we'll see what happens.
		I guess it's going to be soon, whatever it is.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Stan and Holly in Australia.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Artist.
		Y2 Carl in Seattle.
		By the way, the New York Times had that article about the muzzle flashes in yesterday's edition.
		If you're talking about the videotaped muscle flashes at Wake House.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, sir, I am not.
unidentified		Well, they had an article about that.
unidentified		They had videotapes of several muzzle flashes from the FBI going into the conference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, this was far more serious than that.
		This is communication they had, and they knew that the accelerants were being spread inside the comehouse.
		They actually had audio.
unidentified		And they went ahead and went in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They went ahead and used what they used.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You need to read the article.
unidentified		By all means.
unidentified		You know, by the way, before I get onto a roll here, I know the bass player that played on that year 2025.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		He lives here in Seattle.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, I also know the editor of The Weekly who ran that Winston ad the other day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd really like to talk to that editor.
unidentified		Well, you know, I understood that ad right away.
		It's about class warfare.
		They were implying, because they're appealing to like educated, college-educated yuppies, and they're implying that abductees are trailer trash.
		They're lower-class white people.
		And that was how I read it.
		And I think that was the pitch, considering the magazine, because it's an alternative weekly.
		And that's exactly who their demographics are going for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why would they know what we're talking about right now?
unidentified		That's the received opinion of people who don't believe in that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But according to a lot of statistics, they're also the people that use that product.
unidentified		Well, yeah, yeah.
unidentified		I thought it was a little strange, too, when I thought, because I couldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, there you are.
		It doesn't make sense.
		I want somebody on from the tobacco company to explain it to me.
		I don't want to confuse Stanny, but I don't know about this.
unidentified		Okay, I'll pass it on to him because I'm actually trying to pitch him an article about how to call Hartell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the meantime, I've got Stan and Holly here from us.
unidentified		Okay, I want to just basically make three things that are more statements than questions.
		But one is, you know, I wish you had covered the WTO meeting.
		The World Trade Organization is having a meeting in Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm very well aware of it, yes.
unidentified		Next week.
		Yes.
		Because, you know, you talk about an alien invasion.
		I think it should be the invasion of the billionaires.
		We have 100 billionaires in the world today, and between those 100 people, they control more of the wealth than the bottom 40% of the industry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm well aware of the WTO meeting, and if I can get a good guest on it, and I'm working on it, we'll have them on the air.
unidentified		Well, that's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm well aware of it.
unidentified		Anyway, you know, as far as what you're guessing, I'm really worried about global warming especially, but I'm also worried about apocalyptic, Armageddon, you know, doom-mongering, because, you know, I think that the year 2000 is an arbitrary date.
		We don't know if Christ was born in the year zero.
		Why would he be born in 4 BC?
		It's in 2004 by now.
		Oh, no.
		He didn't say that.
		Well, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Poller, hold on.
		We're on a break.
		Do you want to hold on?
unidentified		By all means.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		By all means, stay right there.
		Here's Gordon Whitefield.
unidentified		I can feel I'm back in the second bed.
		In a room where you do what you don't consider.
		Fall down, you better take care.
		I have been creeping down my backpack.
		Funny down, you better take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I keep it All right, The article that I told you about in its front page, Dallas Morning News, is going to blow a whole top off the Waco thing.
		We presently have it on the links page, but I think it's important enough, and I just talked to Keith.
		He's going to add it to the new site additions for a while, so we're sure you see it.
		That will be right on the front page, and within moments, I suspect you will see a link to it right on the front page under the area entitled Newest Site Editions.
		Let me take a look here.
		Not quite there yet, but it'll be there momentarily.
		And I do recommend you check out this article.
		The whole Waco thing is about to blow sky high.
		Believe me, sky high.
		Stan and Holly, are you there?
		We are.
unidentified		We are here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Back to the phones we go.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Stan and Holly in Australia.
		Hello.
		Good morning.
		Good morning, sir.
		Where are you?
unidentified		This is John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm calling from Erie, Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Erie.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing this morning?
unidentified		Yeah, Holly, I wanted to take and commend you a little bit for putting some of this stuff that you have together in regards to the Revelations part.
unidentified		And I was looking at that for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It hasn't made a lot of sense to me, but some of the stuff that you guys are coming off with, it's starting to look a little scarier.
unidentified		It talks about actually what I can see the closest thing, a meteor shower or something coming into the North Atlantic, possibly hitting New York City, because it's talking about the different centers of government just going up in smoke and people around the world just, you know, like, wow, there goes everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You figure where the World Bank is, Bank England, New York City, Boston, stuff like that, just going whack.
		But these are nothing right now but rumors, sir.
		Well, no, but like I say, you know, this is stuff that's in there.
unidentified		And then it talks about angels standing in the sun, you know, in the next part of it.
unidentified		And with the solar flares and whatnot, theories that this stuff could really get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If this stuff happens, look out.
		Well, all right.
		I think that's exactly what Stan and Holly have been saying all along, right?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yes, John, certainly we've approached it from a scientific view to now then try to verify that with, or to align it up with the Revelation and with the book of Daniel and things like that.
		But I'm going to kind of give you a little bit of a preview here.
		Holly has been working on this stuff, but she's also been creating a huge color image map of the Revelation in images with some titles to say what they're doing that she's going to put on the Internet.
		Do you have access to the Internet, John?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John's gone.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is he gone?
unidentified		All right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, you can probably hear.
		What we're doing is we've been going to a lot of sources, trying to figure out where people say this is the way you interpret, that's the way you interpret.
		And we've tried to put those areas on there, and Holly's done a really good job of it to show, well, one group says this, one group says that.
		But either way, here is what signs to look for in the heavens or in the earth, what event.
		And certainly, the sun misbehaving plays a very big part, and so do falling asteroids or meteor in the Revelation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what gives, if it is a rumor, that's what gives these rumors the power they have.
		And no man shall exactly know the time of whatever it is.
		And then on the other hand, you've got to at least, when you start getting this stuff from so many different sources, you've got to at least acknowledge it is a wild rumor all over the place.
		And if you're not on the internet, you wouldn't know about it unless you listen to this program, I suppose.
		So it's probably a rumor.
		If you're a biblical scholar, it's probably a rumor that sounds like it has sound basis to you.
		That doesn't mean it's true this time, but it probably means it's going to be true eventually.
		Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Stan and Holly.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, good morning.
		This is Dave.
		I'm calling from San Jose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I fetched you an article from the U.S. What the heck?
		USA Today about Cohen established a new military command Thursday.
		Did you get a chance to read that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not yet.
unidentified		Okay, well, what happened in the other callers were talking about Marshall Law, Defense Secretary William Cohen, he established a new military command in North Polk, Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, I'm sorry, I did see that.
unidentified		Yeah, it's really interesting because one of the quotes here, as it reads, brushing aside concerns about federal troops operating at home, he says, and I quote, the American people should not be concerned about it.
		They should welcome it.
		Well, I don't know.
		You know, and I don't know what's coming down the road, but when you start seeing these types of movements, I know, does it kind of make your eyebrow raise, or is it just me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not just you.
		We all feel that way, and I am concerned about it.
		We all should be concerned about it.
		Our troops are to protect our country, not so much from its own citizens as other nations that would do us harm.
		And so when you start to see them in our own streets, I think your eyebrow ought to raise.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan and Holly.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Art, this is Dave in Mississippi.
		Hi, Dave.
		I wanted to ask your guest, now I have heard, and since they live in Australia, first of all, I have heard that guns have been confiscated down there, including all hunting weapons, all kinds of weapons.
		I was wondering if that's true.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		They haven't really come around and confiscated.
		They've put in a law that said you have to turn them in by a certain date, or if you were caught with them after that, unregistered, you were subject to fine and or imprisonment.
		They took all kinds of stuff back, several hundred thousand weapons, and they paid for them.
		They paid you for your weapons to bring them in.
		For a person now then to register a handgun or a rifle or something like that, it'd take a minimum of 90 days to get an approval for it, and you've got to go through a lot of bureaucracy and explain why and tell them the great need to.
		You've got to go to some friend's property and kill off feral dogs or cats or angrews or something before they can even look at you to give you a permit.
		You can't have such a thing for self-defense.
		Now, a case in point, which I think I mentioned here sometime back, we were investigated personally by two officers of the Australian Immigration Department when I ordered a slingshot off of the internet from the States to be sent down here.
		It was a really sexy-looking thing, $19 worth, right?
		And I thought I'd have a shoot at some of the critters getting down around our crops, down around the dam, with some stones and stuff.
		We had a personal visit from the Immigration Department.
		Two officers came out about an hour and a half drive out of Melbourne, came to our property, checked it out to see if we were running some kind of a weapons business or an import illegal gun business or whatever, because we ordered a slingshot.
		And we couldn't have it.
		It was illegal.
		And I asked him why, and he said, well, it had one of those wrist straps on it.
		And I said, well, what difference does that make?
		He said, well, it makes the pellets go faster and they're lethal, more lethal.
		I said, well, what happens if I make one of these on my own property and I use it myself?
		He said, well, as long as you don't leave the property, that's fine.
		As long as you don't put a wrist strap on it so it becomes a lethal weapon, that's fine.
		Otherwise, we'd have to impound it and arrest you.
unidentified		Hmm.
		Okay, well, that answers that.
		Art, everybody's talking about martial law.
		I don't know if you know it or not, but you can access it, I think, on the internet.
		If not, I think you can get copies of it just right to Congressman.
		But executive orders are in place.
		Oh, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, and they really have to be, sir.
		You know, I mean, there has to be the ability of our government to control a population in a desperate situation.
		The only question is whether they're going to use this power for some nefarious purpose.
		Not whether it ought to be there.
		It ought to be there.
		But I realize the opportunity it presents to those who would pervert what they always do.
unidentified		Well, you know, I understand what you're saying there, and I agree they have to have some kind of order.
		But the thing about this, you know, everybody's talking about U.S. troops being on, coming out in the streets.
		But it's not going to be just U.S. troops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look at what happens, sir, to, for example, areas that are hit by large hurricanes in Florida and Texas and Louisiana and so forth and so on.
		Inevitably, after about two or three days, the people are angry because the government was, they say, ill-prepared for this emergency.
		So the government gets it both ways.
		They get yelled at because they're not prepared and they don't move fast enough.
		And so imagine if there was a giant catastrophe, how angry people would be if there was no help, no control, and people were running amok.
unidentified		Right, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they've got to have those plans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What we have to worry about is whether they misuse them.
unidentified		Well, you know, I don't know.
unidentified		Like say, you know, of course, like say, it's not only going to be U.S. troops on the streets, but, you know, they've got a lot of foreign troops in our country now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware of that, and I appreciate your call, sir.
		I think that that would be pretty desperate before they would put foreign troops in the streets because Americans would hate that.
		They'd really hate it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan and Ollie in Australia.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, this is Bill and Burbank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bill and Burbank, you're going to have to yell at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can barely hear you.
unidentified		You can barely hear me.
unidentified		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's much better.
unidentified		Okay.
		First of all, I'm tempted to go off on any one of several different lines of inquiry that all lead to an apocalyptic doom scenario, but that's a waste of time, I think, because there's so damn many of them, and any one of them would be adequate.
		For instance, I've taken all of the various maps that have been prognosticated by some of your guests and others, and after you overlay all of them, there's nowhere that's safe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty much true, although if you look at the maps of Gordon Michael Scallion and Laurie Toy and some of the others, there are some great similarities.
unidentified		Right.
		There are certain congruencies.
		But then what happens after the, you know, coronal mass ejection scenario or the asteroid or the doomsday war atomics out of control?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just get yourself in a very uncomfortable position and go exactly.
unidentified		That's why I think it's significant that although I've learned to tolerate the Christians a little bit more, I've come to have a greater respect for what Jesus said as opposed to what's in Revelations, etc.
unidentified		And I was a biblical scholar, and I was even tempted to call up the night that you had Hal Lindsay on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And at the risk of doing something that Robert Heinlein said you should never do, and that is always know when to rub blue mud in your belly button.
		Because even though tribal customs and superstitions are not the laws of the universe, knowing when to do so and act like it may very well be one.
		But Even he, who is like he was one of the founding fathers on the end is near, but he was so wrong.
		Jesus Christ, as opposed to what he said, as opposed to what is said about him, are two completely different things.
		When you compare the trials, tribulations, punishments of the Old Testament or the book of Revelations at the very other end, I mean from the flood, Jehovah's flood, or the revelations of St. John the Divine, whom nobody's sure exactly even who he was, everybody forgets about the Sermon on the Mount.
		And that was what the guy that this whole book is about is saying, or if you're a Christian, the guy who it's about.
		And it's like, when I hear people talk about preparations, I only think of, well, gosh, now the Mormons have a real head start on us, but that's nothing compared to the people that have the bunkers like for the Senate and for the President, the Executive Branch, and who knows what the military have been saving for all of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, America's major cities also have these bunkers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not well known, but Los Angeles, for example, has a vast underground control center.
unidentified		Oh, no, I'm sure.
		And that could be the whole topic of a show, the underground places and things that are going on.
		I mean, there are just so many different things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like, I don't have my invitation to the underground control center yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have yours?
unidentified		No, but I'm going to keep my eye on any of the big CEOs of the major corporations.
		And when they start disappearing, I'm going to try to follow them.
		That might be why they have stalking laws now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That might be.
		First time call our line.
		You're on the air with Stan and Holly and Australia.
		Listen to the Rockies.
		Call toll-free, 1-800-618-8255.
unidentified		Santa Ana, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ernie, hold it.
		We have only one rule here, and that is that you cannot give us your last name.
		So let's try again.
		You are Ernie.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Ernie from calling from Santa Ana, California, listening to you on KOGO radio in San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well said.
unidentified		The question I have for Stan and Holly is what's been happening with our sun?
		I'm getting the impression that our sun may be going through a period of instability with all the solar flare activity.
		And I have to admit, while you commented earlier, that the sun looks like it's more white than yellow because I remember the sun looking yellow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that sounds like a crackpot thing, but when I was young, to me, it also looked quite yellow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when one looks at it in a safe way, hopefully, today, it looks quite white.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, I agree.
unidentified		And I also notice when I work outside at my job, the sun feels like it's more intense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they'd know a lot about that in Australia because I think there is some sort of law down there that children must wear something on their head when they go to school because of the ozone problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, Sam?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they had a special hat for school children made, which covers their neck and ears and face.
		And they have, in some cases, this little wraparound glasses when they're out playing in the direct sunlight on especially high UV days.
		But you know that UV index you've got, which runs up, I don't know, 15 or 18, something like that.
		It is such a part of life down here that on our weather report every day, they tell you what the UV count is for the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have now begun to do that here as well, Stan.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		What kind of numbers are you getting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a little, I can go measure the UV index myself.
		I've got a little instrument here, and I can carry it out.
		Of course, I'm here in the middle of the desert, and I get a lot of tens, Stan.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		But we get 12s and 14s quite regularly during the summer here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there you are, caller.
unidentified		Yeah, and another question I had for Stan is what his view is on the so-called sterilization burst I've heard them talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if he's aware of it.
		Let's find out.
		Stan, I talked about it earlier.
		Scientists are now discovering that suns, just like ours, from time to time, go nuts and sterilize everything around them.
		Now, that's an astronomical fact now.
		And these are not unstable suns.
		These are suns like ours thought to be stable and eventually burning out billions of years in the future.
		Every now and then, they sterilize everything about them.
		Had you heard that?
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd heard that, yes.
		The report said that our star is now classified as a variable energy output star, which is a kind of eutemistic way to say, yes, it will put out more energy and less energy at unpredictable times.
		And certainly the amount of energy that does come out, in some of the cases they've registered in nearby star systems, would be enough, as you say, to sterilize or cook or kill life as we know it on probably an entire system, if not at least the inner half of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, listen, you two.
		We are out of time.
		The program is ending, so I'd like to give either one or both of you an opportunity to say any final words because that's about all we have time for.
		All right.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Lady of the House, final words.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		I don't have any final words, Pat, what Richard said.
		Just be logical about your preparations.
		Don't go at everything whole hog, and don't forget to live your life.
		Just be a little bit responsible.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		And one last thing, if I can.
		Certainly, I would encourage people to look for alternatives after we die.
		It's very important.
		We've mentioned that in every one of our books.
		And I think that we're going to have to face the reality that we're going to meet our end a lot sooner than many of us thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		The book that Polly has written and you can get is called Dare to Prepare.
		And you can get it on the internet, of course, or you can call the following telephone number: Area Code 805-641-3844.
		One more time.
		It's well worth it.
		This is a book you really want to have.
		Area code 805-641-3844.
		You two, thank you very much.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		It's been a great pleasure.
holly deyo ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, all.
stan deyo ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Art.
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it as it turns into evening in us.
		It's certainly early morning here in North America.
		So, we've got the link now to the Waco story that's going to blow the top off the whole thing from the Dallas Morning News.

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