Art Bell welcomes listeners on October 5, 1999, blending earthquake predictions (Nordberg’s 10-6 to 10-12 forecast), Y2K fears, and IRS reform debates before turning to dreams. Dr. Katya Romanoff and Lauri Loewenberg interpret Bell’s precognitive visions—like his Paris OBE—as unconscious messages or hypnagogic glimpses, not literal time travel, while dismissing claims of floating to the moon via a "silver cord." Callers’ recurring nightmares (tigers, falling as birds) symbolize suppressed anger or breaking free from limitations, and Bell’s fabricated "Hannibal Lecter" dream reveals self-destructive subconscious patterns. Sleep deprivation, drugs, and unresolved emotions distort dreams, even mimicking alien abductions, yet nightmares often highlight real-life issues needing resolution—suggesting dreams are a layered puzzle of the mind, not just random noise. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning as the case may be across this great land of ours.
Great it is indeed.
No, that is not a contradiction when I mentioned the plane.
Stretching from the Hawaiian and East Islands in the west eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands all the way to South America to the North Pole on the internet.
And of course, the Intel Corporation for all the extreme mathematics that makes possible this wondrous thing called the G2 program.
If you go up to my website on the left-hand side there, you'll see it.
And you can download for free, free is such a good word, isn't it?
The G2 program and put it into your computer and then go back to my website and click on streaming video and you will see the show in progress as well as hear it as it progresses toward whatever weird destination it's going to progress to on any given night, this one included.
We're going to be talking next hour about dreams.
I have been having an unrelenting, completely unrelenting spate of dreams.
Now, I don't like dreams that much, to be honest with you.
They're work.
In other words, when you wake up, if you have a great remembrance of a dream, a lot of times it's not like you were asleep.
It's like you were working when you were asleep.
And it's been a while since I've had a dream interpreter on, so we're going to have actually a pair of them on.
A Dr. Katya.
Sounds Russian, huh?
Katya?
We'll find out.
And her associate, whose name is Laurie, I think.
Is Lori right?
Let me see.
Yeah, Laurie.
So, Dr. Katya and Lori will be here interpreting some dreams for us, talking a little bit about dreams in the first place.
But that's why I guess we need interpreters for them, huh?
Now, the Japanese company has promised to pay damages for the victims of the country's worst nuclear accident, which exposed dozens of people to radiation and forced hundreds of thousands of others to stay inside.
Well, that's going to be quite a bit of damage, isn't it?
The House narrowly passed a $12.6 billion fiscal year 2004 and aid bill today, but the White House is threatening to veto it because we're not giving enough away.
The measure was approved 214 to 211, all but ensuring that a veto would indeed be sustained.
So I guess we're not giving enough away is the bottom line.
I'm sure you've heard about the London commuter trains that collided Tuesday during rush hour.
26 dead thus far we know of, injuring 160.
It was Britain's worst train accident in more than a decade now.
I'm hearing from a whole variety of people that the new ZZ Top album or CD is out and that on it is the voice of my announcer giving the east and west of the Rockies lines out in the middle of a brand new ZZ Top song.
Now a lot of you have an advantage on me yet because I don't have it yet.
I would like to have it, but I don't have it yet.
I haven't even heard it yet, but I'm getting a lot of email from people who tell me that it is out.
So it should be cool to have a copy of that with me.
I think the album is named XXX or something like that.
And I'm not sure of the tune that has the voice of Ross Mitchell in it.
So in a way, the program and Ross Mitchell are both immortalized by one of America's greatest rock groups.
Pretty cool, huh?
I thought so.
Let's see.
I've just got a whole bunch of things I want to cover.
We're going to be in open lines during this half hour.
By the way, the man who predicted this last big earthquake, the Mexican earthquake, John Nordberg, is now predicting another earthquake, the next dangerous period, he says.
Always listen to people when they have hits.
Will be between 10-6 and 10-12.
The Earth's acceleration will change dramatically, he says.
And this jerk has a very high possibility of setting off major earthquakes.
So all people in all earthquake-prone areas, says John, should be aware of this.
Well, that's all right, John.
I know you have not yet begun to receive other indications of your success in the press, but I'll make note of it.
And if you hit this one, then I think others will begin...
Now, if you hit two, I would say more and more of the press would begin to pay attention.
If you hit three, then you'll probably be getting bugged by the press.
And if you hit four, people are going to begin to think that you have a real gift.
So we'll see, John Nordenberg.
But anyway, between 10-6 and 10-12, there should be another major opportunity for an earthquake.
We will see what happens.
I've got some information, as you can see in here by listening to the press.
The Y2K thing is going berserk once again.
And there's getting to be a lot of press.
CNN is covering it.
Oh, speaking of CNN, I've got to tell you about something in a moment.
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You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into.
The paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, things like that.
The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
And all of a sudden, I woke up.
I simply woke up.
Is that what happened with you two?
Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
Here's the three options.
Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
There's no doubt in my mind.
Now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
The U.S. will be watching from afar as New Year's Eve revelers party in Australia, New Zealand, and Guam.
U.S. officials are going to have their eyes on two Pacific nations in the U.S. territory December 31st for an early read on Y2K problems that may play out at home.
So we're going to be watching down under Australia and New Zealand and Guam as all of this races toward us.
It reads, senior U.S. officials tell NBC News that Washington has made arrangements with the government of Australia and New Zealand and has wired U.S. military facilities on Guam to have them provide early reads of how Y2K is going.
Because of time differences, obviously they will experience all of this first.
And we have people in place ready to decide what kind of thing we're facing, how serious it might be.
I have not made up my mind about how serious it's going to be.
But I'll tell you what I have done.
I have ensured that I will be here.
A CNN called earlier today, and very nice people at CNN, and they offered to come out on the 31st and broadcast the show or film the broadcasting of the show and so forth.
And it would be on CNN and CNN headline and all the rest of it.
And I said, no.
I'm turning down all media.
All media.
Newspapers, television, all of them.
I am not doing interviews and will not do interviews anymore.
I have done enough interviews.
So I'll be here.
What I am going to do is I'm going to be here two hours early on New Year's Eve, which I will spend here on the air.
We'll come on at 8 o'clock Pacific time.
That means that ensures we're on in just about every time zone we cover at the magical hour.
And by then, of course, we'll have quite a few reports from around the world, New Zealand, Australia, Guam, and so forth.
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And we'll have some idea of what's going to occur.
I know that a lot of you think, that I think something really serious is going to happen.
But it might surprise you to know, or maybe it shouldn't if you've been listening, that I'm absolutely unsure of what's going to happen.
I have listened with care to Gary North and many others.
And by the way, we'll try and get another pro or two on the air between now and the event.
The event.
But I still Have not made up my mind.
Have you?
Have you made up your mind yet whether you think Y2K is going to be a big happening or a big yawn?
Not so many people apparently are going to be in Times Square as originally they thought.
The Gulf Stream Ocean Current, according to Reuters, Dateline Copenhagen, the Gulf Stream Ocean Current has changed course in the North Atlantic.
Now, that sentence alone puts a big chill down my spine, and I know that of Whitley Streeber.
I haven't talked to Whitley about this, but we wrote a book called The Coming Superstorm.
As you probably know, it's not out yet.
You can't get it.
Don't try.
It'll be out, I think, maybe in December, something like that.
I'll have to find out for you, you know, a couple of months from now at least, or better.
But reading that line is enough to send a chill right down your spine.
The Gulf Stream ocean current has changed course in the North Atlantic.
But this shift, says writers, did not necessarily herald a new ice age.
Stronger westerly winds over the North Atlantic in recent years provided the main factor in an eastward shift in the flow of that current.
The change in the course of the current, which now runs closer to Norway, had not altered the volume of warm water carried into the North Atlantic by the Gulf Stream.
No signs yet that the climate in Northern Europe was becoming colder because of a weaker Gulf Stream.
You have to laugh at these things because to not do so if you took them totally seriously.
All I can say is when you read our book, reflecting on what I just told you, you are going to definitely freak out.
Again, from Reuters, a rich source of goodies tonight.
The legendary lost continent of Atlantis, which was thought to be buried in a torrent of water, may sit actually at 12,000 feet above sea level in Bolivia.
This is all according to a British explorer.
Quote, it's time to officially declare Bolivia and the world that Bolivia is, where the legendary city most probably existed out of any other possible site in the world.
It's according to Jim Allen, again a British explorer.
Allen, the former Royal Air Force Photographic Interpreter and author of Atlantis, the Andes Solution, has devoted the last 20 years of his life to proving that theory.
He believes the town of Quilacas, about 1,000 people, 187 miles south of the capital of La Paz, was the actual center of the continent.
The town is in a volcanic area, and its buildings are constructed with red and black rock in line with the description of Atlantis penned by the Greek philosopher Plato in the 4th century BC.
So wouldn't that be something?
If Atlantis didn't seek sink, but arose.
Either way, when you think about it, it would be just as elusive, wouldn't it?
People have tried to locate it beneath the ocean.
but what if this explorer is correct and it's you know fourteen thousand feet up in the andes but but but but but I got this faxed to me by a man who obviously saw something kind of like I saw Randy.
Randy says, Mr. Bell, I saw a black delta-type object around 8 p.m.
October 4th flying southwest over the Denver metro area.
The object made no sound.
No sound at all.
That sounds very much like what I saw.
It was as black as the sky and was flying at what appeared to be a slow rate of speed.
The determination would be altitude-dependent as well.
In a heavy air traffic area, since we're about 30 minutes from DIA, all planes flying within this area have their approach lights on.
Might be a military aircraft.
A very, very, very quiet one.
It would have been impossible for me to find this in the sky without it happening by chance.
You see, I was trying to show my two-year-old the stars, and we were listening to the crickets lying on our backs in the grass, and this thing flew right over us.
So you see, in the night sky, folks, as Randy found out, and as I found out, if something black, dark black, flies over you,
short of a well-moonlit night, short of your intensely concentrating on the star field so that you can see the outline of something that actually blanks out the star field, you really would have no way of knowing, would you, that something was flying over you.
You wouldn't hear it.
You certainly wouldn't see it unless you actually were paying strict attention.
And so in most ways we can imagine, without sound, this really would be a stealth aircraft.
Perhaps stealth to radar as well.
Now, are we developing something like this?
I bet we are.
Wouldn't you?
I mean, wouldn't you bet that we are developing something that virtually cannot be seen?
It makes sense to me.
The next generation from the so-called stealth aircraft we have now would be what?
They'd be invisible.
Really stealth aircraft.
Are we working on it?
Well, if we aren't, we should be so I would imagine there is a at least 50% probability maybe better that these aircraft that we're all seeing are in fact real as a heart attack and they are our own government's product the only question is what it is they're doing I've really grown to like this song here comes bumper music and I don't know why but I really really like this must
gone when this was out.
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We'll be right back.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
Coast to Coast AM from October
5th, 1999.
Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th 1999 You know I thought it would be interesting moving toward the end of this thousand years to play some music that would call up some memories for you and that's what we're doing Actually,
I'm doing it because I'm having fun doing it too I have literally now have a stash of hundreds of memory makers and we're gonna kind of roll through those between now and the beginning of the next thousand years What do you think music will be like in a thousand years?
We can't even imagine the next generation, much less the next thousand years.
A lot is going to happen indeed between now and the turn of the century.
more in a moment.
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Weird stories on the radio must be coast to coast a.m. with George Norrie.
You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
And all of a sudden, I woke up.
I simply woke up.
Is that what happened with you two?
Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
Here's the three options.
Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
There's no doubt in my mind.
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When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
And unfortunately, this is one of them.
You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
And now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
And I get upset that the media only highlight the illegal use of guns where bad things happen to good people.
And I know that every day in the United States there's thousands of instances where guns are used to protect innocent lives, not even having been fired.
Just, you know, a lot of times a gun owner will show a gun and that's the problem.
Well, let me finish this real quick so it won't annoy you.
You know, when I belong to the NRA, in their magazines, would have instances, newspaper reports that show the homeowner did this or a woman defended herself, etc.
And I thought maybe if you got one of those instances and just read it or reported it, you know, after it was confirmed in the newspapers or somewhere from your listeners, that would help even out the lopsided liberal media always pointing out the bad uses of it, but never the good uses of it.
And whenever I get stories of anybody who has successfully defeated, and there are many, many, many, many, many.
It's just that the tragedies, you know, the kids who kill other kids, people going into schools with guns and beginning to wildly shoot in offices and day trading and all that crap, all of that is what garners the headlines to be immediately followed by the latest anti-gun effort.
I don't know, if I had to make a call, I am afraid I would say that I think that the days of gun ownership in America are numbered.
Now, everybody's going to fight as hard as they can, but I think the days are numbered.
They're going to manage to get so many restrictions of the Second Amendment.
I don't think they can get rid of it entirely.
That would be a political impossibility.
The American people would not go for that.
But they can tie it up so far that gun ownership damn near becomes impossible.
And I think that's what their goal is.
They are pursuing gun manufacturers with regard to liability when somebody is shot.
That ought to do it.
That's going to put a lot of them out of business.
But guns are always going to be available if they are essentially legal.
They're just going to make it tighter and harder and harder and harder for a legitimate citizen to own a gun.
It's crazy.
By the way, the phone system here, we are experiencing, you may hear it on our lines.
I've been raising hell with my phone company locally.
It's kind of a little crackly sound that goes on with somebody's voice.
And of course, the Nevada Bell sent somebody out here, and he said, sounds good to me.
You know how it is.
And left.
It's a pretty subtle problem that they're going to have to pay attention to.
So, Nevada Bell, I hope you're listening because we really do have a problem.
Well, an electromagnet, sir, is you take a, as you well know, you take a rod or a piece of steel and you wrap it and wrap it and wrap it with wire and pass current and voltage through that wire and you then get an electromagnet.
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Well, yeah, but I mean, in the sense of, like you see in the junkyard, a big iron thing hanging.
Only this thing was not suspended from anything.
In other words, if you a boilerplate construction like the Titanic Hull type, in other words, this thing would not seem to me to be extraterrestrial in any way except for the fact that it was moving.
So in other words, when I'm reading one thing, they're hearing about a woman's health forum forum.
Exactly.
See, there you are.
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What I hope you will do at some point is maybe put something like Giorgio Marauder in it or something.
Well, you know what I mean.
What I call for is two points on Y2K.
Yes.
Today, while you Americans at 2 o'clock in the afternoon were listening to what the Fed would do about the interest rate and what CNN was covering the governor from Minnesota's press conference, we in Canada up here in our equivalent of MSNBC, CBC Newsworld, got a press conference on the NASTA Special Commission on Y2K.
Two points of interest as far as I'm concerned, and I think the second one's the most interesting.
But first, the first one, both the United States delegates and the Canadian delegates emphasized the importance that all small businesses are a business for what they called a problem, troublesome problem area, which is somewhat in line with what a Canadian Y2K expert says.
He, about six months ago in this country, he said that if you're in a small business and if you're not looking for a job for the year 2000, because maybe your small enterprise that you work for, your employer might go out of business, you're not being Y2K prepared.
Well, look, if it's that bad that people should be out looking for a job if they work for a small company, and they really have no way of knowing if they're Y2K compliant or not, then if it's that bad, then it's going to be awful.
Point number two, which I think is the most important, both the Canadian and the American, as well as the Mexican, the American said, the Mexican spokeswoman, she said that Y2K doesn't obey international boundaries, which of course we understand.
But the Canadian and American documents, our spokespeople, both stated that we are going to be carefully watching on an international basis the euphemism they call hoarding.
Now, given your just past commercial for your food preparation, I would suggest it's not the 11th hour, but it's 1155, because it's not an issue yet.
But when it gets to be about December, this so-called hoarding, the negative euphemism, is going to become a bigger and bigger issue.
So you can bet that if the American government is going to change American laws, you're right.
And what are they going to do about those who have hoarded or those who have prepared?
Well, they're probably going to want to have a talk with those who have prepared and ensure they share.
Or else, right?
This is always the bottom-line question when we talk about Y2K.
The real bottom line.
In other words, are you prepared to give away the food you have or fight?
That really is what it comes down to.
All right, we're going to talk at the top of the hour a little bit about dreams with a couple of dream interpreters, and I've been having some wild ones lately.
Really wild dreams.
Very prolific dreams.
Too damn many dreams.
It's like I've been working or something.
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You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
I think this is an appropriate startup hunk of music.
I'm playing a lot of oldies as we head toward the next thousand years.
This was just part of what we had music-wise for this thousand years.
The better part, I would argue.
I wonder what it's going to be like in the next thousand years.
How will music morph?
I've been considering that tonight.
In other words, consider how it's morphed since the days of that music.
You know, just say in the 60s.
To present.
So if you add, oh, well, I don't know, another 500 years, halfway through the next millennium, to the changes in music, we might not even recognize it.
Well, in this hour, we're going to begin talking about dreams.
And so I have two dream interpreters, Dr. Katya Romanov, a Ph.D., and Laurie Quinn Lohenberg.
I hope that's right.
It could be Lauenberg, Lohenberg.
I'll say Lohenberg until I find out better.
Who is a certified dream interpreter as well as a professional artist?
Going to be interested in how one becomes a certified dream interpreter.
We'll ask.
They have a website, The DreamZone.
And of course, you can get to that site.
I think we've got a link up there right now.
I hope we do.
www.thedreamzone.com.
And we're going to talk some about dreams.
Maybe interpret a few.
And I suppose if we get some that are somewhat generic, the kind of dream that everybody has, then we can hit one that you may have had that would come.
I've just been dreaming a lot lately.
I don't know if they had a chance to hear my first hour, but I've been in a real dream fest lately.
And when I say fest, I mean fest.
It's been more like an infestation, I would say.
Not that they've been bad dreams, but I object, under most circumstances, to dreams.
Not all, but most.
Because it's kind of like somebody once said sleep is like a little slice of death.
Well, I prefer it that way.
In other words, I want to wake up rested.
If I wake up having chased something or somebody or been chased around in a dream or something like that, unless it was a particularly pleasurable dream, and we'll talk about those, then I feel like I've worked.
I have worked.
And I would prefer the little slice of death, personally, to that.
That'll probably be an interesting question, and one that I'll ask right away of our two interpreters, which will be up next.
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Looking for the truth?
You'll find it on Coast2Coast AM with George Norrie.
When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
And unfortunately, this is one of them.
You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
Now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
All the religions of the world and how they tie together.
You know, the different symbols that we believe in are the same things like the cross, the cosmic circle, the yin-yang symbol that you see on surfer shops.
They all appear in our dreams one way or the other.
And they also are the symbols of our world beliefs.
I have my view, which you may have heard at the top of the hour and or before last hour if you were listening, is that dreams, more times than not, annoy me.
In other words, when I go to sleep, I like the old little slice of death, you know, and then waking up refreshed, all set to go for the day.
But many times when I have a dream, I wake up and it's been a wild dream and I feel like I'm working.
Therefore, I feel like I'm tired.
I just went through something instead of getting a good night's rest.
Because my dreams are very vivid, and I'm a part of them.
And if I'm being chased by the mafia, a recent dream, then I'm being chased by the mafia.
I mean, that's not a good dream.
It's not what anybody would choose in real life, and it sure as hell is not such a cool dream.
So, you know, not all dreams are necessarily welcome, I guess is the right word.
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Exactly, and especially a disturbing dream like that is showing me that there's something in your life you're avoiding, some issue you don't want to face, so that it has to chase you in your sleeping time, in your dream time.
It has to chase you to get your attention.
It says, pay attention to me.
There are forces out there that are causing you anxiety that you're avoiding looking at in your waking life, so it comes out when you're asleep.
Anything we repress during the day is going to come out to get our attention.
That may be why you don't feel rested when you wake up, because you're grappling with certain issues or situations while you're sleeping.
And then there's something else you should know about me as we discuss my dreams, and that is I have two sleep periods per day, not one.
In other words, after the show at about 3 a.m. Pacific time, I get off the air, adrenaline's pumping along for a while, and I don't manage to get to sleep generally until at least 5 a.m.
And I sleep until about maybe 9, 9 o'clock in the morning.
Then in the afternoon, I sleep at about 4 or 5 o'clock in the afternoon for another couple of hours.
So I have two sleep patterns every single day because of the program I do all night here.
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That's very unique.
That's like a soldier's sleep pattern.
And that is going to create variance in your REM sleep patterns because every night, every 24-hour period in your case, we spend about two hours dreaming.
So even if you feel that dreaming is exhausting to you, that you would like a night where you don't dream, tough.
You're going to dream every night, no matter whether you remember your dreams or not, you're spending two hours a night in the dream state.
Some people longer.
Yeah, frankly, a lot of them are just a pain in the butt.
Now, there's another category of dream that is not, of course, and they're quite all right, too.
But is there a way, I would ask either one of you, of you, I realize it's going opposite of the reason that you're on the show tonight.
But if a person didn't want to dream, is there a way to put yourself in such a state that you're not likely to dream?
And if so, what is it?
unidentified
That would probably, the only way to achieve that would be to wake yourself up before you reach the REM state.
But that is extremely dangerous and unhealthy because that will cause you to hallucinate during the day, have horrible mood swings, and just be an all-around cranky, insane person.
So you're trying to avoid a certain kind of dream.
Even during the dream state, you don't want to face something.
It's going to come before you even more so.
Why put yourself through this unnecessary anguish and pain?
You know, just turn and face your fear and it will go away.
Yeah, that's the solution.
Pay attention to these horrible dreams.
Work it out what it's pointing out to you, the problem in your life, and then you'll get good dreams.
Well, the first thing when you get a dream like that is to look at it literally.
Is it pointing to an actual hearing problem?
And in your case, it very well may have been.
Many dream scholars do theorize that, and Carl Jung himself believed that the dreaming state was to point out areas in our physical health that need work.
Cancer patients, heart disease, many studies have been done showing that you'll dream that you're being shot in the legs repeatedly and then the person goes to the hospital, goes to the specialist, and finds out they have cancer in the legs.
So the first thing to do is to check the literal interpretation.
But of course, I'm seeing the symbolic interpretation here, which is what, who or what are you not listening to?
There's something you're not hearing in your life.
Yeah, a cancer patient, an older parent is in the hospital, and that morning he dreams of a house plant being transplanted, being dug up and placed in the earth at large.
And then that afternoon he dies.
He tells his son of that dream in the morning and then that afternoon he dies.
House plants, clocks ticking, dreaming of a clock.
Yeah, so there are studies where people will report their dreams every day, and then, of course, they perish later in the day, so then they remember those, they record the dreams that the person had.
But as they are dying, I don't know what they might be dreaming, because it depends on the physiological conditions of the world.
But it's kind of not like a Monday, as in the song, because I love being here.
unidentified
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When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
And unfortunately, this is one of them.
You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
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Music All right, we have with us Dr. Katya Romanoff and Lori Quinn-Lohenberg.
We talked about perhaps dreams people have when they die, which we'll never really know for sure.
Do people have precognitive dreams frequently?
In other words, it'll happen when we open the lines, if I do.
People will call and say, I dream things that then always happen.
I've had these people call me.
What do you know about that?
unidentified
A lot.
There are certain criteria that a precognitive dream must meet in order to be considered a precognitive dream.
The Psychical Society, the Society of Psychical Research, looks into paranormal dreams.
There are telepathic dreams and there are precognitive dreams.
And one of the rules for precognition is that the person must have shared this precognitive dream with someone else before they knew what was going to come true.
It must be very unlikely for the event to happen.
And then the event must happen within a certain amount of time.
Well, I've had one precognitive experience, but it was while I was fully conscious.
There was no question about it.
It met all of the criterion that you just talked about with regard to a dream.
But it didn't occur in a dream.
It occurred wide awake.
unidentified
Yeah, that happens.
What probably occurred there, you know, when you meditate, when a person meditates or when a person's on LSD or other substances, the mind will reach the same brain waves, the same brain speed of dreaming.
So you just told me you had a vision, a precognitive experience.
Well, it's been a while since I've bored my audience with this, so let me go ahead and tell it to you two, and you can tell me what you think, since one of you has a degree in parapsychology.
I lived in Santa Barbara, California.
It's a really pretty area.
And I was working for a radio station there, KDB in Santa Barbara.
And I was doing a midday show, and I came home in the evening, early evening.
I lived in a garden-style apartment, you know, the type where you have the large sliding glass doors that you can open to the outside to a little porch-like area, and you can look out on the street, was the case in my case.
And so I came home.
The curtains were drawn.
I sat down to watch the evening news and began watching it.
A nightly duty for me in my business.
You know, you have to watch the news.
Well, a few minutes into the news, this incredible wave came washing over me.
I can only describe it as 30-foot ocean waves.
These waves were washing over me, telling me, hey, somebody is going to hit your car.
Somebody's going to hit your car.
Well, my car was parked outside because I had had something stolen from it previously, so I parked it right outside my window so I could look at it if I wanted to.
And that had occurred months earlier.
Well, I didn't make it a regular practice to look out there, but I had it parked right outside my window with a little walkway down to the road, and it was right there parked on the street, which was allowed.
Now, I thought, this is annoying.
And so I went over and I parted the curtains and I looked out the window, and there was my car, just fine, nothing wrong with it.
And I thought, stupid, stupid, stupid.
And so I went back and I sat down and watched the news some more.
In about one minute, the waves came back.
I mean, just stronger and stronger and stronger until I finally uttered something I can't repeat here on the air.
And I got annoyed and I stood up and I walked over and I opened the curtains and slid the car back and stood there, just stood there and watched my car to satisfy this insane pounding of something's going to happen, something's going to happen.
And as I was standing there watching my car, which was fine, a fellow went down the walkway from the apartments where I live, and I watched him.
He walked down the walkway, and he walked in front of my car and behind his car, went around, opened the driver's side, got in, started his engine, put it in reverse, and hit my car.
Since I have been doing this program, exploring the paranormal, I can tell you without any question, many, many more things in the realm of the paranormal have happened to me.
Now, what does that tell you?
unidentified
You are more open and receptive to it because it's part of your daily consciousness.
And your boundaries are thin.
What Ernst Hardman, the great nightmare researcher, called thin boundaries.
Some people are born with them.
They're also the same people that tend toward mental illness.
But fear not, many, many normal people have a propensity for nightmares and have thin boundaries, and you're not going to become schizophrenic.
Well, look, I think the American Psychiatric Association says that one in four people in this country, and or in the world maybe, suffer mental illness.
You aware of that?
unidentified
Yes, and what do they term illness?
You know, mental illness may be a state that's preferred.
You know, in ancient scriptures, we often hear that out of the mouth of the fool.
Yeah, so I was studying mainstream psychology, and then I got into Jungian dream analysis, which, you know, Carl Jung was a very spiritual individual, and he pulled away from the Freudian sex, sex, all dreams are repressed sex.
Well look, what I really wanted to do, of course, was to bring on the callers and allow them to ask you some questions because obviously they have dreams and we've talked enough about my dreams.
So I want to talk a little bit about their dreams.
So if you're up for it in this next hour, we'll open the lines and let them ask you questions.
So, guys think about sex on average once every four and one-half minutes.
Women, on the other hand, according to my guests, only think about it maybe once on average or twice a day.
When you consider it, this really explains a lot that goes on in society.
unidentified
The End Oh, this is intolerable.
One of those is enough.
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When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
And unfortunately, this is one of them.
You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
Now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
If they make me keep playing that, I'm going to play a different sound.
It's going to be so horrible that they'll supply me finally with a silent sound that nobody has to hear.
Which, by the way, technically Is feasible.
Suppose I were to use something like this.
Every time I come and go from a commercial set, give them a Bigfoot screen.
Bet they'd get me a silent switch pretty quick then, huh?
All right, well, anyway, here are my two guests back again, Dr. Katia Romanov and Lori Quinn Loewenberg.
And they are both interpreters of dreams and actually would also take questions, I presume, generally on parapsychology, metaphysics, and world religion, even world religion, right?
All right, ladies, we're going to go to the phones this hour and see what you can pull out of the hat for some of those poor people.
unidentified
Okay.
I'd like to mention real quick that they can get on our website, thedreamzone.com, and they can submit their dream as well as find out all kinds of more interesting dream tidbits and facts like we were discussing earlier.
Now, that's interesting, but I'd be a lot more interested if two people saw the same red Corvette.
unidentified
Actually, yes.
But someone else might see a red chair.
But there was always one significant thing that would make them all believe that they all were there and saw each other in some form, because you know how dreams speak to us in weird symbols and images.
Well, do you believe that actual out-of-body experiences are possible?
unidentified
Well, Kosh is pretty good at answering that kind of question.
He's asking, what do you believe?
I've never had an out-of-body experience.
I think I may have had a small one.
I have a hard time dealing with the whole silver cord thing that you're still attached by this silver cord and you can float up to the moon and then come back.
But I don't have a hard time with the one in an operating room, in a hospital situation, in any kind of anxiety or stress, that you're above your body, you're floating in the room above, and you're observing events.
That's okay, but some of the other stuff, I get a little skeptical.
It's just like reincarnation, you know?
All these past life memories and past life recall, many people try to use dream research to prove that past lives exist.
Do you have a hard time with the concept of God of the Bible and the devil, too?
unidentified
Definitely.
Oh, really?
Yeah, those are issues that so much time and so many men and women have written about and theorized about that it's bound to color it with human error.
Aha.
So we've got to discover these things for ourselves.
Because I was staying at a hotel on vacation exactly two blocks from the Eiffel Tower, and it happened without any warning, any of this paralyzed feeling that most people have and report and all the rest of that.
In one second flat, in an instant, faster than you could measure, I was up above Paris for just a split second in this total ecstasy, and I knew damn well it was no dream.
I've had dreams all my life.
No dream, folks, guarantee you.
And then, I was so shocked and pleasantly surprised that I went smacking right back into my body, and it was that fast.
It was just an utter, complete shock to me.
So that was my one.
unidentified
Yeah, that's similar to the half of one that I had.
Whenever we see death, blood and guts, in a dream, it's probably talking about something in your life that's no longer needed but still could be valuable to you and maybe you're failing to nurture it.
Instead of nurturing it, you're killing it off.
Because again, the tiger is your energy.
That's maybe some suppressed power you have that you're avoiding.
And of course, the tiger is a cruel animal.
Big cats are very cruel.
They play with their prey.
So it may be telling you, in the end, only kindness matters, as the song says.
It comes to me and it just sort of, and I'm kind of afraid of it.
And it's sort of paralyzing and it comes up and it bats at me.
But it won't hurt me.
You know, another thing a tiger can mean is someone else's anger.
Is there someone angry with you and you are afraid of their anger?
You're having to deal with, that dream may come to you when you are afraid of someone being ticked at you.
Is it a powerful force?
Or is there a part of you that you are somewhat afraid of?
Yes.
Temper or some part of your personality that's wild, untamed.
Well, I'm trying to develop my business right now.
I am Art Bell, and I have two interpreters of dreams.
One is a PhD in the subject, Dr. Katya Romanov, and the other is Laurie Quinn Lohenberg.
And together, they are sort of interpreting dreams.
And so far, actually, we've had some pretty darn interesting ones.
But brace yourself.
unidentified
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You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
And all of a sudden, I woke up.
I simply woke up.
Is that what happened with you two?
Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
Here's the three options.
Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
There's no doubt in my mind.
And now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
I can see I'm going to have to be very careful how I ask you girls questions.
unidentified
It's about we're learning to balance the male and female polarities of our being.
We all have a male and female side.
So when you're dreaming of having sex with someone, your boss, even a parent, someone that seems, quote, inappropriate, oh my God, I shouldn't be having sex with them.
Or even this person is the same gender as you, so, oh, does this mean you're a latent homosexual?
That's really interesting because for somebody who has never seen a road, you kind of wonder how they picture it.
And for those of us who have been on roads maybe too frequently and driven, we all know that they're sort of pitted and they have white lines and they have lots of, they're not very even surfaces.
So I was kind of curious how she would imagine a road to be.
Isn't that something?
Somebody blind from birth.
West of the Rockies, you are on the air with Dr. Katya and Lori Quinn Lohenberg.
I wanted to ask the doctors about a dream I had some years ago.
And there's not much to it, really, but it really stood out in my mind, and I can still see the image I saw very clearly if I think about it.
But I've never understood it.
All the dream consisted of was I could see black space and then I saw this globe rather like the moon except it didn't have any imperfections or craters or anything, a glowing white globe and as I looked at it a circle of light began to form around it starting at the bottom and it went up around the globe to about three quarters of the
way around it and my dream ended.
And it just struck me as supposed to be really significant to me but I don't know, have any idea what it means.
You said that the light went three quarters of the way around it?
Right.
It didn't complete?
No.
Hmm.
That's a classic Jungian dream.
We would call that a mandala dream, a mandala dream, because you're seeing a spherical object, something round, and it's not complete.
A mandala symbolizes the wholeness of self.
So this is kind of psychoanalytical talk here.
But it means completing your wholeness of nature, your personality, all the way integrated.
Yeah, I'm trying not to use...
I would have you draw that.
We would talk about that endlessly because you've had one of those classic symbols.
The circle means eternity.
It means your soul, your higher self, all that makes you.
But yet you're not completely finished.
You haven't reached that wholeness that is our goal.
Our dreams help us reach that completion.
So you were three-quarters of the way there.
That's neat that you put a percentage to it, a practice.
You're still a work in progress.
Yeah, that was quite a long time ago I had that dream.
I sort of thought of that a little bit, that that might be it.
It just struck me how the image kept coming back to me, and it was like something was trying to tell me this is very significant, something that you need to think about.
Exactly, whenever something's so vivid.
Yeah.
There's some area of your life.
Some part of your personality you need to complete.
You're talking the physiological camp, that dreams are just something going on, a madman in the brainstem, random misfirings of the brain.
That's right.
A small percentage of dream scholars do believe that, but the greater majority see the undeniable results of psychotherapy and dream work that there is a connection, and they're trying to work this out.
Talk about locking horns.
Yeah, I mean, you've got to think about it.
How many times have you woken up and a problem has been solved?
And when I get into the sleep I start noticing things are all puffy and fat.
I'm basically almost surrounded.
It's hard to move around in there.
I can't describe what I'm in.
It's just sort of all puffy and swollen.
I've been waken up by my mother and still sort of stay in this trance for half hour sort of thing, statements that she proves that aren't true and that I firmly believe.
But it just seems odd.
I found as I get older I could control it and haven't had it in a year or two now lately.
I know I've done it for a few years now where I could feel it coming on and I just sort of roll over, try to go back to sleep and I'm usually successful in getting to sleep without it.
So that man has a dream he doesn't like or had a dream he didn't like, and he figured out how to stop having it.
Is that normal?
Is that something most people can do?
unidentified
Usually they need the help of a trained counselor or psychoanalyst to help them turn that off.
But he figured it out on his own.
That's good job.
That means he's well balanced psychologically and able to solve his own situation.
What's interesting is he goes into a trance.
This is the hypnagogic state.
The hypnagogic state that we all go through as we are drifting into sleep is just the same state as when someone's high on LSD, or what do you call it, tripping on LSD, or someone who is in the deep stages of meditation.
So it is trance-like.
And some of the most psychic dreams occur during this drifting state as we're going in.
The psychic impressions, visions, seeing deities, lost loved ones happen during this period, the hypnagogic state.
And then as we drift into REM sleep, we become paralyzed.
Otherwise, we'd act out our dreams.
We'd get up and walk around.
There are rare cases of people who do this.
So notice he said he felt paralyzed, he felt closed in, trapped.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
As we will fly soft, it's another summer's day.
Locking all our girls away, just to remind us we sleepy warmth on summer nights Gazing after this value that you gain in the air of the cast She
She doesn't give you time for questions As she looks up your eyes and her And you follow till your sense of which direction Completely disappears By the blue tarred walls near the market stalls As a hidden door she leads you to These days she says I feel my life Just like a river running through
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All right, we'll get back to dreams and our guests in a moment.
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Weird stories on the radio must be Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into.
The paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
And all of a sudden, I woke up.
I simply woke up.
Is that what happened with you two?
Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
Here's the three options.
Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
There's no doubt in my mind.
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When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
And unfortunately, this is one of them.
You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
You're listening to Arkbell Somewhere in Time on Premiere Radio Networks.
Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
All right, well, I've got a kind of disturbing fact here from somebody calling himself Han.
And he says, my dream involves kidnapping random people, taking them home, killing them, chopping them up, wrapping them in individual packages, and putting them in my refrigerator, and then eating them.
How would you interpret that?
unidentified
Jeffrey Dahlmer here revisited.
Again, murder in our dreams is he's killing off parts of himself.
He's holding them hostage.
He's killing them and redigesting them.
In other words, he's improperly going about realizing the wholeness of self.
He's working like everyone else toward that union of the soul, that completion.
But he's doing it inappropriately, definitely, and maybe a little too violently.
He's just destroying segments of himself that he really shouldn't.
I unfortunately have dealt with losing a best friend.
She died in a car accident four years ago.
And after she passed away, I had just been hoping I was going to have a dream about her because her death actually was an accident.
And still to this day, her parents really don't know how exactly the accident happened.
And I don't need to go into details about that, but I always wanted to have a dream about her, just maybe her saying something to me that she was okay and everything was fine and everything, but I never did until after about a year and a half later.
And all I dreamt about was her and I in a restaurant and we were sitting in a booth and I was looking at her and she was looking at me and she was smiling.
I would say that at the time you had the dream, since it was so long after her death, you were in need of some kind of spiritual or emotional nourishment.
That's why you were in the restaurant.
And it could have been a contact dream.
Then again, she could represent some part of your personality that has died or some part of your personality that is like her and is showing up in your dream to reassure you everything's fine.
Or as Laurie says, it could have been a contact dream.
There are countless, countless reports of loved ones who've passed on coming to us in the dreaming state as though to say, hey, I'm fine.
And she was smiling at you, showing you a tranquility that it's cool, I'm okay.
Well, that's neat.
I guess, I mean, I wish there was some way I could have more dreams about her, but I don't know, is there any way possible that maybe I'm just thinking too much about it and wishing it so much that that could possibly just not let me have a dream of her, possibly?
Yes, I think so.
A lot of people who deal with this type of staying out-of-body experiences and contacting the beyond would tell you, don't ask it to come to you.
Just leave yourself open and they will come when they need to tell you something and when they feel that you need that.
When somebody like that lady calls up and says, give their dream, and you say, well, it might mean this, or it might mean that, or it might mean something else, which is it?
I mean, it might mean any of those things, and those are very different things.
Would it take her coming in and lying down horizontally as you would in front of a psychiatrist and talking about lots of dreams before you really understood what it means?
Is that why we get sort of a multiple, it could mean this or it could mean that from you?
unidentified
Well, dreams are multi-layered like an onion.
And the one thing that will stick out to her as we give her these options is what it means to her.
Whereas if someone else had that similar dream...
Some dreams are very easy to know the meaning of, but when something is multifaceted like this and you're dealing with the contact issue of a deceased person, you have to deal with people's beliefs on that.
Some people believe that contact dreams are impossible.
It's just her psychological need to know that her friend is okay, that she was sort of bringing it on.
But then other people really believe that from the beyond we can contact our loved ones and know they really are still with us.
In other words, you went in like your family doctor and he gave you a referral to a sentence.
unidentified
I was trying to be a priest, and then they sent me over to be checked out.
Anyway, that's just my journey, okay?
That's just my little path in life, okay?
And whatever.
Anyway, part of it is that I ended up marrying a woman who is a lot, it's a really seriously troubled woman.
And part of what I learned is that a person can ask to take on the burdens of another person.
And so one of my little prayers was to take as much of her pain silently as I was able to handle.
And another thing I learned over the years that involves dreams, and I'd like to see if this is still the idea, is that a dream that's painful enough to wake you up is in fact a nightmare by definition.
And that you only remember the dreams that you wake up during.
If a dream, a nightmare, propels you into the waking state before you normally would awaken, then it's a frightening dream, it's a nightmare, it makes your palms sweat, your heart race, you feel paralyzed.
That's by definition a nightmare.
But when we're in the emergent stage one of sleep, we're coming out of the REM state, we're naturally waking up.
And those are dreams.
They're not nightmares.
It is a difference.
Well, what I wanted to share with you is that being with this woman and taking on that task, every single night that I slept with her, I woke up in a sweat during a dream that involved aliens attacking, planes blowing up a block down the street, just stuff like that.
And the moment we broke apart and I moved away, I slept like a baby.
And have not, you know, I've just, it was just like night and day.
You know what that means.
That meant you were not worried about.
None of this surprises me at all, you know, and I just wanted to share that with you and with the audience.
What's the difference between a legal and illegal drug?
In fact, hold, we'll come back to that question in a moment.
Stay right there, and we'll get the other half of our team back together as well.
And sorry about that.
This occurs occasionally when we have multiple lines operating.
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You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
Each and every day of the year.
January, you start the year off fine.
February, you're my little Valentine.
Army's gonna march you down the aisle.
February, the Easter Board, when you smile.
Yeah, yeah, my heart's in a whirl.
I love, I love, I love my little pal and a girl every day.
Every day, yeah.
Maybe if I ask your daddy mom, you'll be good morning with the sunshine to brighten up
my day.
Come sit beside me in your way I see you every morning outside the rest of you,
The music plays on Anshallah.
listening to Artfell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th 1999 We're going to do another segment of Dreams with Dr. Katya Robanov and Laurie Quinn Lohenberg and We're going to ask about how some people wake up in a moment.
You'll find it on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
And unfortunately, this is one of them.
You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
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Weird Stories on the Radio must be Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
And all of a sudden, I woke up.
I simply woke up.
Is that what happened with you two?
Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
Here's the three options.
Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
There's no doubt in my mind.
And now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Why wouldn't a dream about dying mean you're going to die?
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Rarely, rarely will mean that.
Because death, impending death, again, we've done studies, shows up with other really odd symbols that you wouldn't expect, like the ticking of a clock, a candle going out.
But actual death is just too literal.
Dreams are so symbolic.
So really seeing death in a dream means death in the metaphorical sense.
Some part of you is dying off or some big change is about to happen.
Well, that was the conclusion I pretty much came to about the dream.
The other thing I was going to tell you about is I have had an out-of-body experience where actually I think it was closer to a near-death experience when I was younger.
I went to a picnic with my parents and they had the helium balloons there and I'd been sucking in the helium all day.
I was probably about 11 or 12 and I remember that it felt funny.
You know, it felt like I was walking above ground.
Well, we came to where we did the three-legged race and I decided to suck down this huge balloon that I had really quick.
And when I did that, I was standing.
Well, the next thing I knew, I was above myself looking down, and I was floating up.
And I remember thinking, well, this isn't right.
And grabbing hold of a tree branch of the tree that was right above me and looking down, seeing myself laying on the ground.
And the next thing I remember is I opened up my eyes and there I was laying on the ground.
And going to sleep for when you're, well, I don't know, stoned or took LSD or whatever.
What's the difference?
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Drugs and chemicals affect the dreaming mind.
Anything that's going to mess with your mind and the brainwaves, the speed of what's going on in there is going to induce these kinds of states so we can induce it artificially.
You know, if we didn't have this technology, we wouldn't be able to anesthetize people before surgery.
It's all the same stuff.
So he was messing with his mind, those chemical substances.
Up until this is, the reason I said this for all three, this is a little do for you too, Arc, was up until I was about 13, I used to be able to control my dreams at will.
When I went to sleep, I could control it, right when I went into the dream, I could control every single thing that would happen, except for the base plot of the dream.
Ladies, I have interviewed over the years many people who claim to be abductees, to have been taken by aliens or the military or various sorts of nefarious beings.
How many of the reported abductions that we hear about do you think are dreams?
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Whew.
Oh, gee, it's very possible.
You see, when you deprive yourself of sleep, when you affect your body and you don't get enough dream time, your body will compensate by giving you dreams when you're awake, i.e., hallucinations.
And I was stupid, young, and I did a bunch of publicity stunts.
And one of them was I broadcast consistently, constantly, from Monday night through Saturday afternoon.
That's Monday night through Saturday afternoon, or yeah, I think it was late Saturday when I finally quit.
And I never slept that whole time.
And they wouldn't let me drink coffee.
They had doctors tending to me.
There were crowds all around me.
No drugs.
I had coffee in the beginning, but then they cut me off because my pulse rate began to get too high.
So they made me stop.
The only way I could keep myself awake was taking frozen cans of orange juice and putting it up against my neck and my forehead and stuff to shock myself.
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Hey, there was a DJ in New York who did this, and they studied him.
It was about two-thirds of the way through this, I began to hallucinate.
And when I say hallucinate, it was as real as the experience that I'm having with you right now on the radio.
Every detail, every aspect of everything I did, it was that real.
And I told them that I had been upstairs in a different part of the radio station, up in the management offices of the Japanese managers that we had, and been roaming around and had seen things and touched things and opened refrigerators and drawers and stuff like that.
It was that real.
Now, is that the same as a dream you have when you go to bed at night?
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Well, it's the same, but yet it's different, too.
Because your mind is desperately trying to get into REM because you're depriving yourself of sleep.
So it's like, fine, fine.
I'll start firing from the brainstem while he's awake.
That's a physiological thing.
But what's neat is how you're this great little proof of hallucination and how very real it is.
What's really going on?
You know, are we all a bunch of waves, energy, connected?
What are our minds really up to?
Are we all part of this big over mind?
We're just cells in some big consciousness.
Is the goal of our existence just to become aware?
Well, you're not going to burn things, but you're not going to regenerate either.
When we're sleeping, there's a regeneration process going on in our brain.
That's one of the purposes, they believe, of dreaming.
But remember, shamans and holy men and holy women too, for thousands of years have been doing what you just described in order to get visions.
There would be one person chosen in the tribe, and they would deprive this person of sleep just to get foretaste of the future to invite these hallucinations.
You weren't damaging yourself unless there's really, that's why I was asking you, what sense did you have?
What proof do you have that you damaged yourself?
You just entered a realm that very few people had.
Well, the body has a good way of making up for lost time.
And when you went back to sleep, this is very similar to a study done with some college students where they, in a sleep laboratory, they were allowed to go to sleep, but once they entered that REM state, they were woken up.
So they were able to sleep, but not able to dream.
And they became cranky, moody, they hallucinated, had signs of psychosis.
One last question, and I mentioned this going into the bottom of the hour, and we're almost out of time, but some people wake up really happy, and other people wake up like the wicked witch of the north.