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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dreams - Katia Romanoff and Lauri Loewenberg

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unidentified		I think they have hit the end.
unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring coast-to-coast a.m. from October 5th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning as the case may be across this great land of ours.
		Great it is indeed.
		No, that is not a contradiction when I mentioned the plane.
		Stretching from the Hawaiian and East Islands in the west eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands all the way to South America to the North Pole on the internet.
unidentified		Thanks to Broadcast.com for the distribution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And of course, the Intel Corporation for all the extreme mathematics that makes possible this wondrous thing called the G2 program.
		If you go up to my website on the left-hand side there, you'll see it.
		And you can download for free, free is such a good word, isn't it?
		The G2 program and put it into your computer and then go back to my website and click on streaming video and you will see the show in progress as well as hear it as it progresses toward whatever weird destination it's going to progress to on any given night, this one included.
		We're going to be talking next hour about dreams.
		I have been having an unrelenting, completely unrelenting spate of dreams.
		Now, I don't like dreams that much, to be honest with you.
		They're work.
		In other words, when you wake up, if you have a great remembrance of a dream, a lot of times it's not like you were asleep.
		It's like you were working when you were asleep.
		And it's been a while since I've had a dream interpreter on, so we're going to have actually a pair of them on.
		A Dr. Katya.
		Sounds Russian, huh?
		Katya?
		We'll find out.
		And her associate, whose name is Laurie, I think.
		Is Lori right?
		Let me see.
		Yeah, Laurie.
		So, Dr. Katya and Lori will be here interpreting some dreams for us, talking a little bit about dreams in the first place.
unidentified		They really are weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's why I guess we need interpreters for them, huh?
		Now, the Japanese company has promised to pay damages for the victims of the country's worst nuclear accident, which exposed dozens of people to radiation and forced hundreds of thousands of others to stay inside.
		Well, that's going to be quite a bit of damage, isn't it?
		The House narrowly passed a $12.6 billion fiscal year 2004 and aid bill today, but the White House is threatening to veto it because we're not giving enough away.
		The measure was approved 214 to 211, all but ensuring that a veto would indeed be sustained.
		So I guess we're not giving enough away is the bottom line.
		I'm sure you've heard about the London commuter trains that collided Tuesday during rush hour.
		26 dead thus far we know of, injuring 160.
		It was Britain's worst train accident in more than a decade now.
		I'm hearing from a whole variety of people that the new ZZ Top album or CD is out and that on it is the voice of my announcer giving the east and west of the Rockies lines out in the middle of a brand new ZZ Top song.
		Now a lot of you have an advantage on me yet because I don't have it yet.
		I would like to have it, but I don't have it yet.
		I haven't even heard it yet, but I'm getting a lot of email from people who tell me that it is out.
		So it should be cool to have a copy of that with me.
		I think the album is named XXX or something like that.
		And I'm not sure of the tune that has the voice of Ross Mitchell in it.
		So in a way, the program and Ross Mitchell are both immortalized by one of America's greatest rock groups.
		Pretty cool, huh?
		I thought so.
		Let's see.
		I've just got a whole bunch of things I want to cover.
		We're going to be in open lines during this half hour.
		By the way, the man who predicted this last big earthquake, the Mexican earthquake, John Nordberg, is now predicting another earthquake, the next dangerous period, he says.
		Always listen to people when they have hits.
		Will be between 10-6 and 10-12.
		The Earth's acceleration will change dramatically, he says.
		And this jerk has a very high possibility of setting off major earthquakes.
		So all people in all earthquake-prone areas, says John, should be aware of this.
		Well, that's all right, John.
		I know you have not yet begun to receive other indications of your success in the press, but I'll make note of it.
		And if you hit this one, then I think others will begin...
		Now, if you hit two, I would say more and more of the press would begin to pay attention.
		If you hit three, then you'll probably be getting bugged by the press.
		And if you hit four, people are going to begin to think that you have a real gift.
		So we'll see, John Nordenberg.
		But anyway, between 10-6 and 10-12, there should be another major opportunity for an earthquake.
		We will see what happens.
		I've got some information, as you can see in here by listening to the press.
		The Y2K thing is going berserk once again.
		And there's getting to be a lot of press.
		CNN is covering it.
		Oh, speaking of CNN, I've got to tell you about something in a moment.
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		Weird Stories on the Radio must be Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into.
		The paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, things like that.
		The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
		And all of a sudden, I woke up.
		I simply woke up.
		Is that what happened with you two?
		Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
		And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
		And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
		Here's the three options.
		Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
		And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
		They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
		There's no doubt in my mind.
		Now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen to this, Y2K.
		This is NBC News, October 5.
		The U.S. will be watching from afar as New Year's Eve revelers party in Australia, New Zealand, and Guam.
		U.S. officials are going to have their eyes on two Pacific nations in the U.S. territory December 31st for an early read on Y2K problems that may play out at home.
		So we're going to be watching down under Australia and New Zealand and Guam as all of this races toward us.
		It reads, senior U.S. officials tell NBC News that Washington has made arrangements with the government of Australia and New Zealand and has wired U.S. military facilities on Guam to have them provide early reads of how Y2K is going.
		Because of time differences, obviously they will experience all of this first.
		And we have people in place ready to decide what kind of thing we're facing, how serious it might be.
		I have not made up my mind about how serious it's going to be.
		But I'll tell you what I have done.
		I have ensured that I will be here.
		A CNN called earlier today, and very nice people at CNN, and they offered to come out on the 31st and broadcast the show or film the broadcasting of the show and so forth.
		And it would be on CNN and CNN headline and all the rest of it.
		And I said, no.
		I'm turning down all media.
		All media.
		Newspapers, television, all of them.
		I am not doing interviews and will not do interviews anymore.
		I have done enough interviews.
		So I'll be here.
		What I am going to do is I'm going to be here two hours early on New Year's Eve, which I will spend here on the air.
		We'll come on at 8 o'clock Pacific time.
		That means that ensures we're on in just about every time zone we cover at the magical hour.
		And by then, of course, we'll have quite a few reports from around the world, New Zealand, Australia, Guam, and so forth.
unidentified		And we'll have some idea of what's going to occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that a lot of you think, that I think something really serious is going to happen.
		But it might surprise you to know, or maybe it shouldn't if you've been listening, that I'm absolutely unsure of what's going to happen.
		I have listened with care to Gary North and many others.
		And by the way, we'll try and get another pro or two on the air between now and the event.
		The event.
		But I still Have not made up my mind.
		Have you?
		Have you made up your mind yet whether you think Y2K is going to be a big happening or a big yawn?
		Not so many people apparently are going to be in Times Square as originally they thought.
		The Gulf Stream Ocean Current, according to Reuters, Dateline Copenhagen, the Gulf Stream Ocean Current has changed course in the North Atlantic.
		Now, that sentence alone puts a big chill down my spine, and I know that of Whitley Streeber.
		I haven't talked to Whitley about this, but we wrote a book called The Coming Superstorm.
		As you probably know, it's not out yet.
		You can't get it.
		Don't try.
		It'll be out, I think, maybe in December, something like that.
		I'll have to find out for you, you know, a couple of months from now at least, or better.
		But reading that line is enough to send a chill right down your spine.
		The Gulf Stream ocean current has changed course in the North Atlantic.
		But this shift, says writers, did not necessarily herald a new ice age.
		Stronger westerly winds over the North Atlantic in recent years provided the main factor in an eastward shift in the flow of that current.
		The change in the course of the current, which now runs closer to Norway, had not altered the volume of warm water carried into the North Atlantic by the Gulf Stream.
		No signs yet that the climate in Northern Europe was becoming colder because of a weaker Gulf Stream.
		You have to laugh at these things because to not do so if you took them totally seriously.
		All I can say is when you read our book, reflecting on what I just told you, you are going to definitely freak out.
		Again, from Reuters, a rich source of goodies tonight.
		The legendary lost continent of Atlantis, which was thought to be buried in a torrent of water, may sit actually at 12,000 feet above sea level in Bolivia.
		This is all according to a British explorer.
		Quote, it's time to officially declare Bolivia and the world that Bolivia is, where the legendary city most probably existed out of any other possible site in the world.
		It's according to Jim Allen, again a British explorer.
		Allen, the former Royal Air Force Photographic Interpreter and author of Atlantis, the Andes Solution, has devoted the last 20 years of his life to proving that theory.
		He believes the town of Quilacas, about 1,000 people, 187 miles south of the capital of La Paz, was the actual center of the continent.
		The town is in a volcanic area, and its buildings are constructed with red and black rock in line with the description of Atlantis penned by the Greek philosopher Plato in the 4th century BC.
		So wouldn't that be something?
		If Atlantis didn't seek sink, but arose.
		Either way, when you think about it, it would be just as elusive, wouldn't it?
		People have tried to locate it beneath the ocean.
		but what if this explorer is correct and it's you know fourteen thousand feet up in the andes but but but but but I got this faxed to me by a man who obviously saw something kind of like I saw Randy.
		Randy says, Mr. Bell, I saw a black delta-type object around 8 p.m.
		October 4th flying southwest over the Denver metro area.
		The object made no sound.
		No sound at all.
		That sounds very much like what I saw.
		It was as black as the sky and was flying at what appeared to be a slow rate of speed.
		The determination would be altitude-dependent as well.
		In a heavy air traffic area, since we're about 30 minutes from DIA, all planes flying within this area have their approach lights on.
		Might be a military aircraft.
		A very, very, very quiet one.
		It would have been impossible for me to find this in the sky without it happening by chance.
		You see, I was trying to show my two-year-old the stars, and we were listening to the crickets lying on our backs in the grass, and this thing flew right over us.
		So you see, in the night sky, folks, as Randy found out, and as I found out, if something black, dark black, flies over you,
		short of a well-moonlit night, short of your intensely concentrating on the star field so that you can see the outline of something that actually blanks out the star field, you really would have no way of knowing, would you, that something was flying over you.
		You wouldn't hear it.
		You certainly wouldn't see it unless you actually were paying strict attention.
		And so in most ways we can imagine, without sound, this really would be a stealth aircraft.
		Perhaps stealth to radar as well.
		Now, are we developing something like this?
		I bet we are.
		Wouldn't you?
		I mean, wouldn't you bet that we are developing something that virtually cannot be seen?
		It makes sense to me.
		The next generation from the so-called stealth aircraft we have now would be what?
		They'd be invisible.
		Really stealth aircraft.
	Are we working on it?
	Well, if we aren't, we should be so I would imagine there is a at least 50% probability maybe better that these aircraft that we're all seeing are in fact real as a heart attack and they are our own government's product the only question is what it is they're doing I've really grown to like this song here comes bumper music and I don't know why but I really really like this must
	gone when this was out.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
		Coast to Coast AM from October
		5th, 1999.
		Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
		Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
		listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th 1999 You know I thought it would be interesting moving toward the end of this thousand years to play some music that would call up some memories for you and that's what we're doing Actually,
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing it because I'm having fun doing it too I have literally now have a stash of hundreds of memory makers and we're gonna kind of roll through those between now and the beginning of the next thousand years What do you think music will be like in a thousand years?
		We can't even imagine the next generation, much less the next thousand years.
		A lot is going to happen indeed between now and the turn of the century.
		more in a moment.
unidentified		Weird stories on the radio must be coast to coast a.m. with George Norrie.
		You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
		The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
		And all of a sudden, I woke up.
		I simply woke up.
		Is that what happened with you two?
		Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
		And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
		And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
		Here's the three options.
		Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
		And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
		They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
		There's no doubt in my mind.
		ScreenLink, the audio subscription service of Coast2Coast AM, has a new name, Coast Insider.
		You'll still get all the same great features for the same low price, just 15 cents a day when you sign up for one year.
		The package includes podcasting, which offers the convenience of having shows downloaded automatically to your computer or MP3 player, and the iPhone app with live and on-demand programs.
		You'll also get our amazing download library of three full years of shows.
		Just think, as a new subscriber, over 1,000 shows will be available for you to collect, enjoy, and listen to at your leisure.
		Plus, you'll get streamed and on-demand broadcasts of Art Bell, Summer In Time Shows, and two weekly classics.
		And as a member, you'll have access to our monthly live chat sessions with George Norrie and special guests.
		If you're a fan of Coast, You won't want to be without Coast Insiders.
		Visit Coast2CoastAM.com to sign up today.
		Looking for the truth?
		You'll find it on Coast2Coast AM with George Norrie.
		When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
		I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
		You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
		And unfortunately, this is one of them.
		You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
		And now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, am I happy, somebody asks, with the NFL's instant replay?
		Answer yes.
		Absolutely yes.
		Thank God they did as I hoped they would and brought back instant replay.
		I think it has been fair with very little, relatively very little trouble.
		And it has corrected some otherwise game-altering bad decisions of what otherwise are very good umpires.
		They're good umps, but you know, it's hard to beat the camera.
		It's really hard to beat the camera.
		And so I think the answer for me would be that instant replay absolutely is working.
		If you're a football fan, you might want to offer up your opinion, but I'd say it's working.
		All right, to the lines, open lines, west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Tally Ho.
		Hey, Tally Ho.
		All right, I have an idea.
		I'd like to run by you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I know that you are a great defender of the Second Amendment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
unidentified		You understand why the founders put it in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		And I get upset that the media only highlight the illegal use of guns where bad things happen to good people.
		And I know that every day in the United States there's thousands of instances where guns are used to protect innocent lives, not even having been fired.
		Just, you know, a lot of times a gun owner will show a gun and that's the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have Paul waiting or something, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm hearing a blip on your end.
unidentified		No, I sure don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of phone are you using?
unidentified		The kind that you hate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a cellular phone.
		A digital phone.
		A digital cellular phone.
		Okay, well, that answers all that.
unidentified		Well, let me finish this real quick so it won't annoy you.
		You know, when I belong to the NRA, in their magazines, would have instances, newspaper reports that show the homeowner did this or a woman defended herself, etc.
		And I thought maybe if you got one of those instances and just read it or reported it, you know, after it was confirmed in the newspapers or somewhere from your listeners, that would help even out the lopsided liberal media always pointing out the bad uses of it, but never the good uses of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, clearly I'd be happy to do that.
		I'd be more than happy to do that.
		And whenever I get stories of anybody who has successfully defeated, and there are many, many, many, many, many.
		It's just that the tragedies, you know, the kids who kill other kids, people going into schools with guns and beginning to wildly shoot in offices and day trading and all that crap, all of that is what garners the headlines to be immediately followed by the latest anti-gun effort.
		I don't know, if I had to make a call, I am afraid I would say that I think that the days of gun ownership in America are numbered.
		Now, everybody's going to fight as hard as they can, but I think the days are numbered.
		They're going to manage to get so many restrictions of the Second Amendment.
		I don't think they can get rid of it entirely.
		That would be a political impossibility.
		The American people would not go for that.
		But they can tie it up so far that gun ownership damn near becomes impossible.
		And I think that's what their goal is.
		They are pursuing gun manufacturers with regard to liability when somebody is shot.
		That ought to do it.
		That's going to put a lot of them out of business.
		But guns are always going to be available if they are essentially legal.
		They're just going to make it tighter and harder and harder and harder for a legitimate citizen to own a gun.
		It's crazy.
		By the way, the phone system here, we are experiencing, you may hear it on our lines.
		I've been raising hell with my phone company locally.
		It's kind of a little crackly sound that goes on with somebody's voice.
		And of course, the Nevada Bell sent somebody out here, and he said, sounds good to me.
		You know how it is.
		And left.
		It's a pretty subtle problem that they're going to have to pay attention to.
		So, Nevada Bell, I hope you're listening because we really do have a problem.
		Kind of a crackly sound on many of our lines.
		Not all, just some.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hey, Art, how you doing?
		All right, sir.
unidentified		First time caller.
		I listen to your show all the time.
		I'm a truck driver?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		Got a couple questions for you.
		I heard in the news today.
		Have you heard about the government trying to get rid of, or wanting to get rid of the IRS?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that IRS?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I've not heard of the federal government wanting to get rid of the IRS.
unidentified		Have I heard about that today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		the uh...
unidentified		the iris there is the funding arm that allows our federal government to continue to grow well what they were trying to do they collected Tax returns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not exactly following you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean the state would collect it instead of the federal government?
unidentified		Yes, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is it your imp impression they would take less?
unidentified		Well, they were decided on 15 to 20 percent in that area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, thank you.
		Yes, I've heard of many schemes, of course, to have a flat tax.
		There are many candidates running on that platform to have a flat tax.
		But I don't think it's politically viable.
		Why not?
		Well, answer, because it would remove the power of the people who we elect.
		That's where their power lies, in the tax code.
		In other words, the power of the federal government is how they apply the tax code.
		Who gets the breaks, who gets the encouragements, who that is their power, their main power, and of course main source of income.
		But I've not heard of the government itself considering abolishing the IRS in favor of some system that would be at the state level.
		That's like shooting yourself in the foot.
		Wild guard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
unidentified		Why 2K?
		Yes.
		Why can't they just, in a worst-case scenario, turn computers back one year?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they can with regard to personal computers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But how do you turn back an embedded chip?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Black triangles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Black triangles, yes?
unidentified		Did you see any detail under the craft or on the craft at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only this is the only way that I could describe it to you.
		What I saw was close enough with even backlighting of the moon that you could detect the solid black surface.
		In other words, you could see the substance of the surface itself.
		Do you follow me?
unidentified		Like a texture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it wasn't just a black thing blotting out stars.
unidentified		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a substance, a texture, if you want to call it that.
		There really was no texture in the sense that it was smooth, but I was aware that I was looking at a surface, not just seeing a black spot in the sky.
		Follow me?
unidentified		Well, no panel lines or anything that would...
		So would the movement of it be the main thing that suggests that it may be something alien Completely silent.
		Moving like a blimp, except not like a blimp.
		Very like it was on rails.
		Moving slowly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, a blimp could move that way, I would presume, but a blimp has to be propelled, as you all know.
unidentified		Yeah, I saw something similar, but it wasn't at nighttime.
unidentified		It was at dusk, and this thing looked like it had tiles on the bottom of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not mine.
unidentified		I mean, it looked like a big electromagnet.
unidentified		But it was not attached to anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean it looked like a big electron?
unidentified		Like a big piece of iron.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With the wrappings around it to be an electromagnet?
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		Just as if it was made of cast iron or it had like bolts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, an electromagnet, sir, is you take a, as you well know, you take a rod or a piece of steel and you wrap it and wrap it and wrap it with wire and pass current and voltage through that wire and you then get an electromagnet.
unidentified		Well, yeah, but I mean, in the sense of, like you see in the junkyard, a big iron thing hanging.
		Only this thing was not suspended from anything.
		In other words, if you a boilerplate construction like the Titanic Hull type, in other words, this thing would not seem to me to be extraterrestrial in any way except for the fact that it was moving.
		Well, you say about 35 miles an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what it was doing.
unidentified		There was absolutely nothing suspending it or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, sir.
		There was not some great god in the sky with fingers dangling this thing down above me.
		No, none of that.
		It was either floating or it was a defined gravity.
		And I would choose the latter despite some information the U.S. is working on some sort of triangular blimp.
		There have been rumblings about that.
		But look, I'll tell you again right now, as far as I am concerned, what I saw probably, or at least a good 50-50 chance.
		I can't say it's extraterrestrial.
		What I can say is that I think we are working on craft like this.
		And you should think that too.
		It's the most logical explanation for the next advancement in stealth technology.
		You want to be stealth in every way you can, not just to radar, but to the eye as well, and the ear.
		What does stealth mean?
		It means that none of your senses detect the object is above you.
unidentified		That's stealthy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		No, you're not.
		International Line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		It's Sammy Colling from Kansas, Capitol Auto.
		Yes, sir.
		I agree with you, but that bumper music for that Canadian commercial.
		Up here it's used for a commercial for a Canadian woman's health form commercial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A woman's what?
unidentified		Health Forum commercial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's used for a moment.
		Okay.
		So in other words, when I'm reading one thing, they're hearing about a woman's health forum forum.
		Exactly.
		See, there you are.
unidentified		What I hope you will do at some point is maybe put something like Giorgio Marauder in it or something.
		Well, you know what I mean.
		What I call for is two points on Y2K.
		Yes.
		Today, while you Americans at 2 o'clock in the afternoon were listening to what the Fed would do about the interest rate and what CNN was covering the governor from Minnesota's press conference, we in Canada up here in our equivalent of MSNBC, CBC Newsworld, got a press conference on the NASTA Special Commission on Y2K.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and what did they say?
unidentified		Two points of interest as far as I'm concerned, and I think the second one's the most interesting.
		But first, the first one, both the United States delegates and the Canadian delegates emphasized the importance that all small businesses are a business for what they called a problem, troublesome problem area, which is somewhat in line with what a Canadian Y2K expert says.
		He, about six months ago in this country, he said that if you're in a small business and if you're not looking for a job for the year 2000, because maybe your small enterprise that you work for, your employer might go out of business, you're not being Y2K prepared.
		That's point number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, if it's that bad that people should be out looking for a job if they work for a small company, and they really have no way of knowing if they're Y2K compliant or not, then if it's that bad, then it's going to be awful.
unidentified		Well, that's what the American Delicious is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, my country's economy and yours is largely made up of small companies, not big.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and the second point?
unidentified		Point number two, which I think is the most important, both the Canadian and the American, as well as the Mexican, the American said, the Mexican spokeswoman, she said that Y2K doesn't obey international boundaries, which of course we understand.
		But the Canadian and American documents, our spokespeople, both stated that we are going to be carefully watching on an international basis the euphemism they call hoarding.
		Now, given your just past commercial for your food preparation, I would suggest it's not the 11th hour, but it's 1155, because it's not an issue yet.
		But when it gets to be about December, this so-called hoarding, the negative euphemism, is going to become a bigger and bigger issue.
		So you can bet that if the American government is going to change American laws, you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Preparation is the word we use now.
unidentified		Well, they use the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if the emergency is really awful, then they're going to translate that word immediately to hoarding.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those who have prepared are going to be those who are now hoarding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about it.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what are they going to do about those who have hoarded or those who have prepared?
		Well, they're probably going to want to have a talk with those who have prepared and ensure they share.
		Or else, right?
		This is always the bottom-line question when we talk about Y2K.
		The real bottom line.
		In other words, are you prepared to give away the food you have or fight?
		That really is what it comes down to.
		All right, we're going to talk at the top of the hour a little bit about dreams with a couple of dream interpreters, and I've been having some wild ones lately.
		Really wild dreams.
		Very prolific dreams.
		Too damn many dreams.
		It's like I've been working or something.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not without a star.
unidentified		Free.
		Only want to be free.
		With huddle clothes.
		Hang on to a dream.
		On the boat and on the plane.
		They're coming to America.
		Never looking back again.
		becoming good.
		Every night I hope in a dream.
		A dream lover will come my way.
		A girl that holds in my arms.
		And know the magic of her charms.
		But a woman, girl, to call her.
		Dream lover, so I don't have to dream alone.
		Dream lover, where are you?
		With a love for so.
		And the hand that I can hold.
		Here you hear as I go home.
		But I want girls to call my home.
		I want to dream of them so I don't have to dream along.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired October 5th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think this is an appropriate startup hunk of music.
		I'm playing a lot of oldies as we head toward the next thousand years.
		This was just part of what we had music-wise for this thousand years.
		The better part, I would argue.
		I wonder what it's going to be like in the next thousand years.
		How will music morph?
		I've been considering that tonight.
		In other words, consider how it's morphed since the days of that music.
		You know, just say in the 60s.
		To present.
		So if you add, oh, well, I don't know, another 500 years, halfway through the next millennium, to the changes in music, we might not even recognize it.
		Well, in this hour, we're going to begin talking about dreams.
		And so I have two dream interpreters, Dr. Katya Romanov, a Ph.D., and Laurie Quinn Lohenberg.
		I hope that's right.
		It could be Lauenberg, Lohenberg.
		I'll say Lohenberg until I find out better.
		Who is a certified dream interpreter as well as a professional artist?
		Going to be interested in how one becomes a certified dream interpreter.
		We'll ask.
		They have a website, The DreamZone.
		And of course, you can get to that site.
		I think we've got a link up there right now.
		I hope we do.
		www.thedreamzone.com.
		And we're going to talk some about dreams.
		Maybe interpret a few.
		And I suppose if we get some that are somewhat generic, the kind of dream that everybody has, then we can hit one that you may have had that would come.
		I've just been dreaming a lot lately.
		I don't know if they had a chance to hear my first hour, but I've been in a real dream fest lately.
		And when I say fest, I mean fest.
		It's been more like an infestation, I would say.
		Not that they've been bad dreams, but I object, under most circumstances, to dreams.
		Not all, but most.
		Because it's kind of like somebody once said sleep is like a little slice of death.
		Well, I prefer it that way.
		In other words, I want to wake up rested.
		If I wake up having chased something or somebody or been chased around in a dream or something like that, unless it was a particularly pleasurable dream, and we'll talk about those, then I feel like I've worked.
		I have worked.
		And I would prefer the little slice of death, personally, to that.
		That'll probably be an interesting question, and one that I'll ask right away of our two interpreters, which will be up next.
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		When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
		I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
		You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
		And unfortunately, this is one of them.
		You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
		Now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Music All right, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if we can connect with our dream interpreters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First, Dr. Katya Romanov, are you there?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a doctorate in parapsychology, metaphysics, and world religion.
unidentified		Yes, religion, believe it or not, ties in with what we're dreaming because the symbols are universal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		World religion.
		What's that?
		There is no world religion.
unidentified		World religions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		All the religions of the world and how they tie together.
		You know, the different symbols that we believe in are the same things like the cross, the cosmic circle, the yin-yang symbol that you see on surfer shops.
		They all appear in our dreams one way or the other.
		And they also are the symbols of our world beliefs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We have with us a Lori Quinn.
		Is it Loewenberg, Lori?
unidentified		Yes, it's Loewenberg, like the beer.
		Yes.
		With the berg instead of brow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Loewenberg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you are a certified dream interpreter, right?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the two of you work together?
unidentified		We do.
unidentified		And we also write a column, a dream interpretation column.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
unidentified		Yes.
		It's sort of like a dear Abby column.
		Folks write in, tell us their dream or their nightmare, and we tell them what it means.
		Every dream has a message.
		And I illustrate the most interesting dream in the column.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait a minute, now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every dream has a message.
unidentified		Believe it or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you prove that?
unidentified		How would you prove that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm going to ask a hard question.
		How would you prove that?
		You made a definitive blanket statement.
		You said every dream has a message.
		How do you prove that's true?
unidentified		Well, there's an interface going on in the dreaming mind between the unconscious and the conscious mind.
		So the unconscious is sending the waking mind.
		In other words, your deep, the dark part of you that can't be seen and can't be accessed when you're awake, is communicating with the waking mind.
		So there's an interface going on there, so they are messages, so to speak.
		And many of them, many of these messages are easy to figure out.
		They're Rather obvious.
		But others, you need a little help interpreting what the heck that means or what it's trying to say to you.
		And after the interpretation is done, the dreamer will go, oh, of course.
		And that's kind of proof enough for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have my view, which you may have heard at the top of the hour and or before last hour if you were listening, is that dreams, more times than not, annoy me.
		In other words, when I go to sleep, I like the old little slice of death, you know, and then waking up refreshed, all set to go for the day.
		But many times when I have a dream, I wake up and it's been a wild dream and I feel like I'm working.
		Therefore, I feel like I'm tired.
		I just went through something instead of getting a good night's rest.
		Because my dreams are very vivid, and I'm a part of them.
		And if I'm being chased by the mafia, a recent dream, then I'm being chased by the mafia.
		I mean, that's not a good dream.
		It's not what anybody would choose in real life, and it sure as hell is not such a cool dream.
		So, you know, not all dreams are necessarily welcome, I guess is the right word.
unidentified		Exactly, and especially a disturbing dream like that is showing me that there's something in your life you're avoiding, some issue you don't want to face, so that it has to chase you in your sleeping time, in your dream time.
		It has to chase you to get your attention.
		It says, pay attention to me.
		There are forces out there that are causing you anxiety that you're avoiding looking at in your waking life, so it comes out when you're asleep.
		Anything we repress during the day is going to come out to get our attention.
		That may be why you don't feel rested when you wake up, because you're grappling with certain issues or situations while you're sleeping.
		That you're avoiding while you're awake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably sound advice.
		I've got a lot of that kind of stuff going on.
		And then there's something else you should know about me as we discuss my dreams, and that is I have two sleep periods per day, not one.
		In other words, after the show at about 3 a.m. Pacific time, I get off the air, adrenaline's pumping along for a while, and I don't manage to get to sleep generally until at least 5 a.m.
		And I sleep until about maybe 9, 9 o'clock in the morning.
		Then in the afternoon, I sleep at about 4 or 5 o'clock in the afternoon for another couple of hours.
		So I have two sleep patterns every single day because of the program I do all night here.
unidentified		That's very unique.
		That's like a soldier's sleep pattern.
		And that is going to create variance in your REM sleep patterns because every night, every 24-hour period in your case, we spend about two hours dreaming.
		So even if you feel that dreaming is exhausting to you, that you would like a night where you don't dream, tough.
		You're going to dream every night, no matter whether you remember your dreams or not, you're spending two hours a night in the dream state.
		Some people longer.
		Yeah, frankly, a lot of them are just a pain in the butt.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, there's another category of dream that is not, of course, and they're quite all right, too.
		But is there a way, I would ask either one of you, of you, I realize it's going opposite of the reason that you're on the show tonight.
		But if a person didn't want to dream, is there a way to put yourself in such a state that you're not likely to dream?
		And if so, what is it?
unidentified		That would probably, the only way to achieve that would be to wake yourself up before you reach the REM state.
		But that is extremely dangerous and unhealthy because that will cause you to hallucinate during the day, have horrible mood swings, and just be an all-around cranky, insane person.
		So you're trying to avoid a certain kind of dream.
		Even during the dream state, you don't want to face something.
		It's going to come before you even more so.
		Why put yourself through this unnecessary anguish and pain?
		You know, just turn and face your fear and it will go away.
		Yeah, that's the solution.
		Pay attention to these horrible dreams.
		Work it out what it's pointing out to you, the problem in your life, and then you'll get good dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's another one for you.
		And this is, I'll give you a specific dream.
		And I warn you, I have given this to other dream interpreters in the past because it was so dramatic.
		In my dream, I was having a hard time hearing.
		You know, my hearing was suffering for some reason.
		And I had to go to the doctor.
		Or, in fact, actually, I recall in my dream, I wanted to go to the doctor.
		In other words, I knew I was having hearing problems.
		So in my dream, I went to the doctor.
		The doctor had me lay my head on the table and took a pair of scissors and began screwing the scissors into one of my ears.
		And he would, I'm not kidding, he would twist the scissors a few twists and say, is that better?
		And I'd say, well, as a matter of fact, it is.
		You know, and it was.
		In other words, I was hearing better.
		Take a few more twists on the scissors into my ear.
		Is that better?
		Yes, it is.
		And that's how I remember getting my hearing repaired in my dream.
		Now, in real life, my hearing probably is impaired a little bit because I've had headphones on for all of my adult life.
unidentified		So what do you guys do with that one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The old scissors in the ear dream.
unidentified		Well, the first thing when you get a dream like that is to look at it literally.
		Is it pointing to an actual hearing problem?
		And in your case, it very well may have been.
		Many dream scholars do theorize that, and Carl Jung himself believed that the dreaming state was to point out areas in our physical health that need work.
		Cancer patients, heart disease, many studies have been done showing that you'll dream that you're being shot in the legs repeatedly and then the person goes to the hospital, goes to the specialist, and finds out they have cancer in the legs.
		So the first thing to do is to check the literal interpretation.
		But of course, I'm seeing the symbolic interpretation here, which is what, who or what are you not listening to?
		There's something you're not hearing in your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably the same stuff that had the mafia chasing me, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
unidentified		And the scissors is an interesting tool that was pointed out in your dream, which are used to cut things.
unidentified		So the dream may be telling you you need to cut some bad attitude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but in my dream, it was not a cut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a ream.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, David, the doctor was reaming it out.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Using a cutting tool, the scissors, they're still symbolic.
		Archetypally of things that need to be cut out of your life, but yet using it to bore a hole.
		You see, you were not feeling, it wasn't unpleasant, right?
		You were like, yeah, this is helping.
		You weren't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, you're correct.
		I mean, I had the normal trepidation in my dream.
		I mean, when the doctor had me put my head down and said he was going to screw some scissors into my ear, I wasn't happy about that.
		But then, once he began, the results were promising, good.
		I was happy about it.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I was also terrified before he began.
unidentified		Oh, so that's telling you that you don't want it.
unidentified		You're not listening to something, and you really don't want the cure, even though you know you need it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		It's like getting out of bed in the morning.
		You know that you have to.
		And once you do, it's not so bad.
		Oh, I've got to get up.
		I've got to go to work.
		I've got to get into my day.
		And once you do, it's fine.
		But it's just that getting motivated to do it.
		Something's got to go in your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something's got to go, huh?
		Yeah, so I really have wild dreams.
		Now, I also have good dreams, like everybody else does.
		I have flying dreams occasionally.
		Those are actually my favorite.
		Just zooming over the treetops and houses and, you know, flying as though I were a bird.
		And that's a very common dream, of course.
		A lot of people have that one.
unidentified		Yeah, that's considered number two.
		Number one is the falling dream.
		Even newborn infants, they believe, have falling dreams.
		And then flying is number two.
		It's inspiration.
		It's good stuff.
		It means sort of transcending ordinary reality.
		Sometimes that flying dream may come to you when you need to escape from your earthly problems.
		Rise above the situation.
		But flying dreams can also come as a pat on the back from your psyche when you've done a good job or you're feeling really good about yourself.
		You feel like soaring.
		Dreams are very punny.
		So try to find any kind of pun in your dream that might have the meaning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's one for you.
		I'm not going to ask the usual questions.
		So, you know, you're going to be a little challenged by this.
		What kind of dreams do you think people who die in their sleep have?
unidentified		Die in their sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I was just asking.
		A lot of people die in their sleep, right?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what kind of dreams do you think they have?
unidentified		Well, I would bet they have dreams of God and the people who they love who have died before them.
		You know, how people have had near-death experiences.
		Their loved ones a lot of times will come to them and beckon them forward into the light.
		And I would bet that that's what their dream is.
		It's very similar to a near-death experience and then becomes one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then becomes one.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Now there have been studies done about dreams that point to impending death.
		And there are cases, there's one case I remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dreams that point to impending death.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
unidentified		Yeah, a cancer patient, an older parent is in the hospital, and that morning he dreams of a house plant being transplanted, being dug up and placed in the earth at large.
		And then that afternoon he dies.
		He tells his son of that dream in the morning and then that afternoon he dies.
		House plants, clocks ticking, dreaming of a clock.
		Candles being blown out.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Candles being blown out.
unidentified		Yeah, it's very symbolic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's really interesting.
unidentified		Yeah, so there are studies where people will report their dreams every day, and then, of course, they perish later in the day, so then they remember those, they record the dreams that the person had.
unidentified		But as they are dying, I don't know what they might be dreaming, because it depends on the physiological conditions of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Christy, obviously, as you point out, we can't ask.
		All right, hold on, ladies.
		We'll be right back.
		I sleep twice every day, which makes me a day tripper.
		Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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		When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
		I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
		You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
		And unfortunately, this is one of them.
		You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
		You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
		Music All right, we have with us Dr. Katya Romanoff and Lori Quinn-Lohenberg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Dr. Romanov has changed her phone to possibly a slightly better phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Is it Dr. Katya, or would it be technically, I guess, Dr. Romanoff, right?
unidentified		Well, I go by Dr. Katya because it makes me sound like I'm an old man when you call me Dr. Romanoff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you Russian?
unidentified		Yes, my people came over, like, in World War I, so I'm an American as the next guy.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Laurie, are you there?
unidentified		I am here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, we've covered some aspects of dreaming.
		We talked about perhaps dreams people have when they die, which we'll never really know for sure.
		Do people have precognitive dreams frequently?
		In other words, it'll happen when we open the lines, if I do.
		People will call and say, I dream things that then always happen.
		I've had these people call me.
		What do you know about that?
unidentified		A lot.
		There are certain criteria that a precognitive dream must meet in order to be considered a precognitive dream.
		The Psychical Society, the Society of Psychical Research, looks into paranormal dreams.
		There are telepathic dreams and there are precognitive dreams.
		And one of the rules for precognition is that the person must have shared this precognitive dream with someone else before they knew what was going to come true.
		It must be very unlikely for the event to happen.
		And then the event must happen within a certain amount of time.
		You know, it can't be years later this happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're sending me the proof that is required to have it declared a precognitive dream, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That you have told somebody about it, that it occurs within a certain period of time, so forth and so on.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And that it be unlikely that it would happen.
		And it must be literal.
		That's another one of the requirements.
		It can't be symbolic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many people, by percentage, have these kinds of dreams?
unidentified		It's very rare.
		And many researchers suggest that when you're having a a propensity for precognition, you're always dreaming of things that are going to come true.
		It it's not necessarily good.
		It's trying to point out to you that you are ignoring this side of life, the unseen side.
		So you're being sent these dreams to show you that, yes, there are forces that we aren't aware of.
		There are paranormal ESP type forces.
		So we're going to wake you up by showing you constantly in your dreams that there is an interface between you and the psychic realm.
		You know, we all have a psychic core deep within us.
		You know, each of us is psychic because the word psyche means the soul.
		That's sort of our connection to humanity's collective pool of, you know, brain power and power energy and all that good paranormal stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've had one precognitive experience, but it was while I was fully conscious.
		There was no question about it.
		It met all of the criterion that you just talked about with regard to a dream.
		But it didn't occur in a dream.
		It occurred wide awake.
unidentified		Yeah, that happens.
		What probably occurred there, you know, when you meditate, when a person meditates or when a person's on LSD or other substances, the mind will reach the same brain waves, the same brain speed of dreaming.
		So you just told me you had a vision, a precognitive experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		But you were awake.
		What happened was your brain slowed down to this certain kind of wave pattern and information came in.
		The mind is offline.
		Your ordinary chattering noisy mind is offline.
		That's when you can access these areas of higher knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, it's been a while since I've bored my audience with this, so let me go ahead and tell it to you two, and you can tell me what you think, since one of you has a degree in parapsychology.
		I lived in Santa Barbara, California.
		It's a really pretty area.
		And I was working for a radio station there, KDB in Santa Barbara.
		And I was doing a midday show, and I came home in the evening, early evening.
		I lived in a garden-style apartment, you know, the type where you have the large sliding glass doors that you can open to the outside to a little porch-like area, and you can look out on the street, was the case in my case.
		And so I came home.
		The curtains were drawn.
		I sat down to watch the evening news and began watching it.
		A nightly duty for me in my business.
		You know, you have to watch the news.
		Well, a few minutes into the news, this incredible wave came washing over me.
		I can only describe it as 30-foot ocean waves.
		These waves were washing over me, telling me, hey, somebody is going to hit your car.
		Somebody's going to hit your car.
		Well, my car was parked outside because I had had something stolen from it previously, so I parked it right outside my window so I could look at it if I wanted to.
		And that had occurred months earlier.
		Well, I didn't make it a regular practice to look out there, but I had it parked right outside my window with a little walkway down to the road, and it was right there parked on the street, which was allowed.
		Now, I thought, this is annoying.
		And so I went over and I parted the curtains and I looked out the window, and there was my car, just fine, nothing wrong with it.
		And I thought, stupid, stupid, stupid.
		And so I went back and I sat down and watched the news some more.
		In about one minute, the waves came back.
		I mean, just stronger and stronger and stronger until I finally uttered something I can't repeat here on the air.
		And I got annoyed and I stood up and I walked over and I opened the curtains and slid the car back and stood there, just stood there and watched my car to satisfy this insane pounding of something's going to happen, something's going to happen.
		And as I was standing there watching my car, which was fine, a fellow went down the walkway from the apartments where I live, and I watched him.
		He walked down the walkway, and he walked in front of my car and behind his car, went around, opened the driver's side, got in, started his engine, put it in reverse, and hit my car.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Yo was right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sank to my knees.
unidentified		You were a believer then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it absolutely freaked me out.
		I sank to my knees.
		And I was in shock for a second.
		And then I got up and I yelled out the now open door.
		I said, I saw that.
unidentified		You sure did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he said, I'm stopping, I'm stopping.
		And it was no big deal.
		There was some damage to my bumper.
		But there's also no question about what happened to me.
		I had a precognitive mandated, I mean, it wouldn't leave me alone.
unidentified		You certainly did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the only time in my life that's ever happened.
		I don't know how to turn it on.
		I couldn't bring it back if I had to, and I wouldn't know how to turn it off.
unidentified		You don't need to have another dream like that because you got the message.
		It was showing you what your psychic mind can do, that there are other ways of receiving information.
		Yeah, but that's time travel, in a way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it's knowledge of an event prior to it occurring in any given timeline.
unidentified		It's not necessarily time travel.
		You know, all the different theories of time and time layering.
		Layers of time.
		So you're reaching of time, and then you can get into, well, what is time really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we could, and maybe we should.
		Because, look, this was an event that had not yet occurred.
		It was in the future.
		Now, how could I possibly know an event in the future unless The nature of time is not quite what we think it to be.
unidentified		Right.
		Oh, exactly.
		It's not what we think it to be.
		Well, we invented it in order to exist.
		We had to measure our lives, our existence somehow.
		So we see it as linear because we're in this plane and in our bodies and we are very limited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		We had to do that to cope.
		So, you know, this is something I don't know that we'll ever understand while on this earth.
		But these things definitely happen.
		What I find fascinating about your precognitive experience is that it was while watching television, you know, the TV really does hypnotize us.
		And that may be what slowed your brainwaves, allowed you to be preceptive to this higher information.
		Suddenly, you were able to interface with your psychic self there.
		I was going to ask you if perhaps you had the dishwasher on because that monotonous rolling sound can put you in that hypnagogic state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't wash dishes.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I was simply watching the evening news.
		I think it might have been NBC's evening news.
		That's what I'm saying.
unidentified		And you're sort of veggie out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what I'm telling you is that this was no minor message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was so overwhelming, so washing over me in such waves.
unidentified		Yeah, I like how you used the term wave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's the way it felt.
		It was stronger and stronger.
		And the more I ignored it, the stronger it got.
		You know, I actually cursed a couple of times.
		In fact, both times when I got up.
unidentified		You were really fighting it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		There are a lot of things in your life that you're fighting there, sir.
		Some inner conflicts here.
		Who?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who, me?
unidentified		Why?
unidentified		Relax and open up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not a relaxed person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am a type A personality all the way.
unidentified		But you're the type of person, though, that does listen up when you get the message.
		You're not going to be hit with recurring dreams or recurring nightmares, maybe recurring themes if there's something you're avoiding.
		But you strike me as, you know, you got the message there that there is a paranormal realm.
		And look what you do in your career now.
		You explore the paranormal.
		So it was sort of getting you started.
		Lest there be any doubt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, and here's another thing.
		Since I have been doing this program, exploring the paranormal, I can tell you without any question, many, many more things in the realm of the paranormal have happened to me.
		Now, what does that tell you?
unidentified		You are more open and receptive to it because it's part of your daily consciousness.
		And your boundaries are thin.
		What Ernst Hardman, the great nightmare researcher, called thin boundaries.
		Some people are born with them.
		They're also the same people that tend toward mental illness.
		But fear not, many, many normal people have a propensity for nightmares and have thin boundaries, and you're not going to become schizophrenic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I think the American Psychiatric Association says that one in four people in this country, and or in the world maybe, suffer mental illness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You aware of that?
unidentified		Yes, and what do they term illness?
		You know, mental illness may be a state that's preferred.
		You know, in ancient scriptures, we often hear that out of the mouth of the fool.
		The fool is the one with the wisdom.
		So, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hadn't thought of it that way, but it may well be that the one in four are comforted by thinking of it that way.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Mental illness, well, I don't know how they define it, frankly.
		Something aside from the norm, which is what they established, and I have no idea.
unidentified		Yeah, which is always persona surface issues, psychiatry.
unidentified		That's why I left mainstream psychology, because it's so shallow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you were in it?
unidentified		Yeah, so I was studying mainstream psychology, and then I got into Jungian dream analysis, which, you know, Carl Jung was a very spiritual individual, and he pulled away from the Freudian sex, sex, all dreams are repressed sex.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we haven't talked about that yet.
unidentified		Sex is repressed sex.
		All sex is repressed religion.
		And he pulled away from that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't it depend on your age?
		Now, that description of sex and everything relating to sex probably applied to me 18 through 25 years of age, maybe 30.
		I could see that possibly being true.
		I spent a lot of my day thinking about sex, more than I probably should admit.
		But then as I got older, I began to think of other things as well.
unidentified		In your 30s, you were the normal standard sexual male.
		In your 30s is when it began to taper off.
		The average male thinks about sex once every four and a half minutes.
		So you just, yes, you just described yourself beautifully as a very healthy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then wait a minute, just so that we know, the average American woman thinks about it how frequently?
unidentified		Oh, there have been studies and they can't seem to pin it down once a day, maybe twice.
		Yeah, isn't that something?
		Some women go days without thinking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		We know about males.
		We know about males.
		Spread the seed.
		But remember, your hormones are cycling much more frequently than ours, too.
		Ours have to cycle very slowly because of the whole human reproduction thing.
		So isn't it neat that men are constantly recycling that, whereas women were slower?
		We're based on the moon.
		You guys are based on the sun.
		If you watch the sun, it's constantly changing.
		Don't get me started on this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, this is important, and I think it's interesting as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I had no idea, no idea, that women thought of sex that infrequently.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Well, some women.
		Are you going to confess?
		I will leave it at that.
		Come on, girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But forget you two individuals.
		We'll just go nowhere with that.
		But you two are saying that as a general rule that's the case.
unidentified		Once or twice a day for most average women oh yes according to studies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And men every four and a half minutes.
unidentified		Yes once every four and a half minutes.
		That's the average.
		So that means there are some guys every two minutes and some guys every eight and maybe some guys all the time.
		Yeah.
		Is their driving factor, the driving force in their life is that catheterone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that then reflected in their dreams?
unidentified		Oh yes.
		Whatever's happening in you in your waking life is going to come around when you're sleeping.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's really, really interesting.
		Dreams are interesting.
		All right.
		Well look, what I really wanted to do, of course, was to bring on the callers and allow them to ask you some questions because obviously they have dreams and we've talked enough about my dreams.
		So I want to talk a little bit about their dreams.
		So if you're up for it in this next hour, we'll open the lines and let them ask you questions.
unidentified		Oh yeah, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Done deal then.
		Stay right there.
		We'll open the lines coming up this next hour.
		Men, four and a half minutes.
		Women, maybe once or twice a day.
		How disappointing.
unidentified		You're listening to Artfell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
		Love will be mine.
		Searching.
		I'm always searching.
		Hoping someday I'll find someone to love me.
		Someone to need me.
		I hate the world today.
		You're so good to me, I know, but I can't change.
		Tried to tell you, but you look at me like maybe I'm an angel underneath.
		Innocent and sweet.
		Yesterday I cried.
		But just then relieved to see the softer side.
		I can understand how you get so confused.
		I don't envy you.
		I'm a little bit of everything.
		All rolling to what I'm a bitch.
		I'm a lover.
		I'm a child.
		I'm a martyr.
		I do not feel ashamed.
		I'm your help.
		I'm your dream.
		I'm nothing in the scene.
		Oh, you wouldn't want it any other way.
		Take me as I am.
		May mean you'll have to be some sort of man.
		But sure that when I start to make you nervous, and I'm going to the stream, tomorrow I will change.
		And today won't mean the same.
		I'm a bad.
		I'm a mother.
		I'm a child.
		I'm a mother.
		I'm a man.
		I'm a saint.
		I do not mean the same.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Toast to Toast AM from October 5th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, guys think about sex on average once every four and one-half minutes.
		Women, on the other hand, according to my guests, only think about it maybe once on average or twice a day.
		When you consider it, this really explains a lot that goes on in society.
unidentified		The End Oh, this is intolerable.
		One of those is enough.
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		When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
		I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
		You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
		And unfortunately, this is one of them.
		You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
		Now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Music Oh, that heated sound again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't handle much more of that.
		If they make me keep playing that, I'm going to play a different sound.
		It's going to be so horrible that they'll supply me finally with a silent sound that nobody has to hear.
		Which, by the way, technically Is feasible.
		Suppose I were to use something like this.
		Every time I come and go from a commercial set, give them a Bigfoot screen.
		Bet they'd get me a silent switch pretty quick then, huh?
		All right, well, anyway, here are my two guests back again, Dr. Katia Romanov and Lori Quinn Loewenberg.
		And they are both interpreters of dreams and actually would also take questions, I presume, generally on parapsychology, metaphysics, and world religion, even world religion, right?
		Is that correct?
unidentified		Religions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Religions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm reading from your paper.
unidentified		Oh.
		Oh, that's my fault.
		I forgot the S. I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's quite all right.
		I just read it as I get it.
		All right, ladies, we're going to go to the phones this hour and see what you can pull out of the hat for some of those poor people.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'd like to mention real quick that they can get on our website, thedreamzone.com, and they can submit their dream as well as find out all kinds of more interesting dream tidbits and facts like we were discussing earlier.
		So get on there and explore it.
		It's a lot of fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have had other dream analysts on, and we have always discussed a dream, a sort of a national dream bank.
		Had you considered anything like that, ladies?
		In other words, the internet provides us this wonderful opportunity to gather incredible numbers and collate things.
		And for example, we could find out if people are having mass dreams of the future or something really significant.
		If 100,000 or 200,000 people dreamed the exact same thing one night, I'd want to think real hard about that, wouldn't you?
unidentified		There are email lists that do that.
		Yeah, I was actually in a dream group where some of them were doing that.
		They would pick a place, let's say Paris.
		I'll meet you there tonight by the Eiffel Tower.
		And for some of them, it was working.
		Of course, it would take several nights to program their computers in their minds to get to that point.
		But someone would dream of being at the Eiffel Tower, and something that would stick out is that they would see a red Corvette.
		And then the next day, they would talk to their friends and they would say, well, I was wearing red pajamas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Those are called shared dreams.
		Right.
		And shared dreams happen more than we realize.
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's interesting, but I'd be a lot more interested if two people saw the same red Corvette.
unidentified		Actually, yes.
		But someone else might see a red chair.
		But there was always one significant thing that would make them all believe that they all were there and saw each other in some form, because you know how dreams speak to us in weird symbols and images.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you believe that actual out-of-body experiences are possible?
unidentified		Well, Kosh is pretty good at answering that kind of question.
		He's asking, what do you believe?
		I've never had an out-of-body experience.
		I think I may have had a small one.
		I have a hard time dealing with the whole silver cord thing that you're still attached by this silver cord and you can float up to the moon and then come back.
		But I don't have a hard time with the one in an operating room, in a hospital situation, in any kind of anxiety or stress, that you're above your body, you're floating in the room above, and you're observing events.
		That's okay, but some of the other stuff, I get a little skeptical.
		It's just like reincarnation, you know?
		All these past life memories and past life recall, many people try to use dream research to prove that past lives exist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the tone of your voice, I take it you think that reincarnation is baloney.
unidentified		Well, I just, I have a hard time with it.
unidentified		That's one of the things I personally grapple with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a hard time with the concept of God of the Bible and the devil, too?
unidentified		Definitely.
		Oh, really?
		Yeah, those are issues that so much time and so many men and women have written about and theorized about that it's bound to color it with human error.
		Aha.
		So we've got to discover these things for ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that the soul survives physical death?
unidentified		Ah.
		I think so.
		I think I believe that the soul does.
		Some part of us must be permanent.
		And last, maybe we go all into a collective pool of souls, and then that's recycled.
		I believe in recycling.
		The recycling of souls.
		You know, some folks don't even believe in the existence of the soul.
		We're just a mind.
		The mind is the brain.
		The brain is the mind.
		The mind is the soul.
		That's all we are.
		Well, you know, I don't deny anything.
		Yeah, Laurie, she believes in visitations.
		And I do, too.
		It's just I'm a little more skeptical.
		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mark's good.
unidentified		Have you had an out-of-body experience, Laurie?
		I don't know.
		I know.
		My mother used to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, did you say Laurie?
unidentified		Laurie, yeah, I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Laurie, okay.
unidentified		Laurie.
		I know you're not mindful amongst ourselves.
		What about you, Art?
		Have you had out-of-body experiences?
		Yeah, one.
		One, yes.
		I had half of one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One really serious, fast one.
		And it's funny.
		You should mention Paris.
		Because I was staying at a hotel on vacation exactly two blocks from the Eiffel Tower, and it happened without any warning, any of this paralyzed feeling that most people have and report and all the rest of that.
		In one second flat, in an instant, faster than you could measure, I was up above Paris for just a split second in this total ecstasy, and I knew damn well it was no dream.
		I've had dreams all my life.
		No dream, folks, guarantee you.
		And then, I was so shocked and pleasantly surprised that I went smacking right back into my body, and it was that fast.
		It was just an utter, complete shock to me.
		So that was my one.
unidentified		Yeah, that's similar to the half of one that I had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You went halfway, just got halfway there.
unidentified		I got a half of one because it was like that.
unidentified		It was just a flash, and I was above a city, not so much my own self lying in a bed, no silver cords that I had to worry about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't have a silver cord either.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nor did I have any control over any of it.
		It just happened to me.
		And I talked to somebody about this who's an expert in OBEs, and they said this occurs to a lot of people, completely unbidden.
		A lot of other people have warnings.
		Look, I want to go to the phones, so let's do that.
		On the first time, caller line, you're on the air with Katya and Lori.
unidentified		Hi, my name's Charles.
unidentified		I'm from Memphis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Charles.
unidentified		Hi.
		I am interested in one of your guests, that she's an artist.
		I'm also an artist.
		And I paint wildlife.
		And I have a recurring dream of a tiger that I would like you to interpret for me because I've had this several times.
		It's a larger-than-life tiger, like from the Pleistocene or something, a great powerful beast.
		And it kills a lot of people in my dream, but it only comes at me and it bats at me with its paw and it won't ever hurt me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it kills a whole bunch of other people.
unidentified		It kills other people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Girls?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ladies?
unidentified		You know, it could represent, it is a part of you.
		It might represent your anger.
		You may have this dream whenever you lash out at someone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you own an assault rifle, sir?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Semi-automatic weapon of any sort?
unidentified		No, none at all.
		All right.
		Whenever we see death, blood and guts, in a dream, it's probably talking about something in your life that's no longer needed but still could be valuable to you and maybe you're failing to nurture it.
		Instead of nurturing it, you're killing it off.
		Because again, the tiger is your energy.
		That's maybe some suppressed power you have that you're avoiding.
		And of course, the tiger is a cruel animal.
		Big cats are very cruel.
		They play with their prey.
		So it may be telling you, in the end, only kindness matters, as the song says.
		It comes to me and it just sort of, and I'm kind of afraid of it.
		And it's sort of paralyzing and it comes up and it bats at me.
		But it won't hurt me.
		You know, another thing a tiger can mean is someone else's anger.
		Is there someone angry with you and you are afraid of their anger?
		You're having to deal with, that dream may come to you when you are afraid of someone being ticked at you.
		Is it a powerful force?
		Or is there a part of you that you are somewhat afraid of?
		Yes.
		Temper or some part of your personality that's wild, untamed.
		Well, I'm trying to develop my business right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we were to go to your neighbors right now, sir, and we were to inquire about you of your neighbors, would they say he's a really nice guy?
		He's generally quiet, sticks to himself.
		Would they say that?
unidentified		Not necessarily.
unidentified		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just checking.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
		Nothing like that.
		It's just a big, powerful animal.
		And I often have dreams like that, of different kinds of animals, where they come up to me and they're really big and powerful.
		Even like a gorilla, I've had a dream several times where a big, powerful gorilla was right at me.
		And it wouldn't hurt me, but I could feel like it was going to, it could.
		Charles, you're describing yourself.
		You're saying big, powerful, a magnificent animal.
		That's you.
		You have that within you, and it's trying to get your attention.
		It says, see, I won't hurt you.
		Even though I have the ability to hurt other things, you, I will not hurt.
		In other words, you could choose in your business to climb all over everyone and not care who or what gets hurt, but you don't.
		You know what?
		Charles is your name, right?
		Yeah.
		Charles, you should paint this tiger.
		I am.
		Actually, I'm painting it right now.
		Good.
		Own it, name it, give it a name.
		And then it will come to you in your dreams and give you a message in some way.
		It's your spirit's guide.
		It's your own personal symbol.
		Yeah, it is.
		Yeah.
		And by the way, you can read our column in the Memphis Flyer.
		Okay.
		So check it out.
		Check it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you ladies have columns where?
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		We have quite a few around the country.
		I'll mention a few.
		In the Buffalo, New York area, you can find us in The Art Voice.
		In Greenville, South Carolina, you can find us in Creative Loafing.
		In Memphis, you can find us in the Memphis Flyer.
		In Clarksville, Tennessee, you can find us in Our City.
		In Chattanooga, you can find us in NSYNC.
		And there is a New Age magazine called Sedona, Journal of Emergence, which I bet you'll find in your local New Age store all over the country.
		And we're in that as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're in a lot of publications around the country.
unidentified		And you can always find the column on the website, though, if you can't, if one of those newspapers, we're in a lot of alternative newspapers.
		We don't like them, mainstream press.
		So you can find us on the net, www.thedreamzone.com.
		Don't forget the the.
		You need publishers out there if you're looking for something new and interesting for your paper.
		Work deep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Here comes another one.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air with Dr. Katya and Lori Lohenberg.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm listening to you on CJBK in London, Ontario.
		Okay.
		And I just wanted to say I just got turned on to your show within the last couple of months by a friend of mine.
		And since then, you keep me up for as long as I can stay awake every single night, much to my employer's demise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, your employer who's going to demise, it's going to be you if you don't get to work.
unidentified		I've been getting to work.
		I've just been tired sometimes.
		But when I do sleep, I've been having this dream.
		And I've been having it for a few years now.
		It happens from time to time.
		I have this dream that I'm a bird.
		Like, yes, I'm flying, but it's not me flying.
		I am a bird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are.
unidentified		Right?
unidentified		So I'm flying around above the birds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, are you a bird in every way?
unidentified		Yeah, I eat a bird.
		Do you eat worms?
		I can look down at my feathers on my wings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you have feathers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you eat worms?
unidentified		I eat mice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You eat mice?
unidentified		Really?
unidentified		He's a raptor bird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
		Yeah, a raptor.
		You're a raptor.
		This is serious, sir.
unidentified		The thing is that every now and then it'll happen that I'm flying, and then suddenly the realization will kick in that I'm not a bird, I'm a person.
		And I start falling towards the canopy.
		And then I realize again, wait a minute, I'm not in the jungle, I'm in bed.
		And at this point, I usually wake up.
		Oh, I think this dream is bringing you down to earth.
		You may be flying high in some area of your life or some attitude.
		And also in a powerful, possibly even aggressive way, being that you are a carnivore.
		And you have that realization, wait, I'm merely human.
		I can't fly.
		This dream must be bringing you back down to earth.
		What do you think, Katya?
		Well, whenever we whenever we're we're flying and then we start to plunge, to lose altitude, it can mean a fear of exploring higher dimensions.
		Breaking out of limits.
		That there there are some limitations in your life and you want to break out, but you're afraid.
		Something's holding you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but this guy's a predator.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And birds symbolize spiritual freedom and freedom from material pie.
		And a predatory bird eating, you know, we're all, life eats, okay?
		We eat.
		What has to die to feed all of us?
		Sometimes it sucks.
		Just because he's a raptor and he's drinking the blood of small rodents doesn't mean he's any different from the rest of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never had a dream like that.
unidentified		No eating worms.
unidentified		Yeah, you were worried whether he was eating those worms or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wondered how much of a bird he was, and so I asked, and we got more of an answer than I frankly expected.
unidentified		Listen, you guys were also talking about precognitive dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I'll just mention this one and get off your line.
unidentified		My grandfather, I had a conversation in a dream with my grandfather the very night he died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And found out the next day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I've heard a lot of stuff like that.
unidentified		He actually said goodbye to me and apologized for not recognizing me.
unidentified		I was just young and he had Alzheimer's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's remarkable.
unidentified		It kind of upset me when I didn't.
		Oh, yeah.
		You should report that one.
		Write that one down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I've got to split because we've got a break here.
		And when we get back, we'll ask more about sex and dreams.
		Because apparently that's a terrible thing.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 5, 1999.
		Lay, lay, lay.
		Lay across my big breast bed.
		Whatever colours you have in your mind, I show them to you.
		And you see them shine.
		Lay, lay, lay, lay, lay across my big breath.
		The End Words of love, so soft and tender, won't win a girl's heart anymore.
		If you love her, then you must send her somewhere where she's never been before.
		Lord your praises, and morning gazes, gets you where you want to go.
		But the kinder won't win it You ought to know by now You ought to know by now You are you.
		Something can do Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight's program originally aired October 5th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I am Art Bell, and I have two interpreters of dreams.
		One is a PhD in the subject, Dr. Katya Romanov, and the other is Laurie Quinn Lohenberg.
		And together, they are sort of interpreting dreams.
		And so far, actually, we've had some pretty darn interesting ones.
		But brace yourself.
unidentified		Here it comes.
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		You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
		The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
		And all of a sudden, I woke up.
		I simply woke up.
		Is that what happened with you two?
		Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
		And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
		And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
		Here's the three options.
		Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
		And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
		They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
		There's no doubt in my mind.
		And now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, once again, back to dreams and my guests and ladies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, we talk about in real life that men think about sex once every four and a half minutes of every day and women maybe once or twice a day.
unidentified		How does that convert to dreams?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, do men have frequent dreams of sex while women dream very rarely of sex?
unidentified		Or is there a difference?
		The fascinating thing is that in dreams, it's almost equal.
		That women do dream about sex.
		Women have wet dreams too, people.
		It's just not as messy.
		Women's dreams will have more of a romantic connotation to it, whereas men's dreams might be just more the sexual act.
		The release of that sexual energy.
		And a lot of men will dream that they have had a wet dream when, in fact, they haven't.
		You even dream, it's called the false awakening, where he dreams he's waking up and he's had, oh, I've had a wet dream.
		And then he wakes up and realizes, oh, no, I didn't.
		But yet, he truly did orgasm.
		So we have many sleep laboratory studies that show that men are having an orgasm in their dreams, but they're not making that mess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
unidentified		Isn't that nice?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess.
		Let's ask this.
		If you dream of having sex with another other than the one snoring beside you, does that mean you're cheating on that person?
		Or is that a normal, in quotes, thing to do?
unidentified		Very normal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very normal.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Whenever the dreaming process, especially sexual dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can see I'm going to have to be very careful how I ask you girls questions.
unidentified		It's about we're learning to balance the male and female polarities of our being.
		We all have a male and female side.
		So when you're dreaming of having sex with someone, your boss, even a parent, someone that seems, quote, inappropriate, oh my God, I shouldn't be having sex with them.
		Or even this person is the same gender as you, so, oh, does this mean you're a latent homosexual?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or lesbian?
unidentified		No, right.
		Well, homosexual is supposed to be gay or lesbian.
		I suppose.
		Yes.
		And so you might even dream you're having sex with your mother or your father.
		It's just a merger of energies.
		It means you're taking within yourself qualities you associate with that person.
		It has nothing to do with actual sexual desire toward that person.
		A lot of people will email us or call us and say, I dreamed of having sex with my boss.
		What the heck does that mean?
		That means you're trying to emulate your boss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or you want to raise.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, let's be practical here.
unidentified		You're very practical.
		Remember, sex is the ultimate union.
		And dreams, of course, exaggerate to get a point.
		So it's telling you, unite what that person is like, that quality, that strong quality of that person within yourself.
		You need to be more like that person or animal or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I have never dreamt of having sex with my boss.
		I've had dreams of axe murders that involve my boss, but never sex.
		Well, all right, let's go back to the phone.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Kadya and Lori Lohenberg.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right.
unidentified		I'm glad to be online because I've been listening for a long time.
unidentified		I'm a totally blind person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since birth?
unidentified		Slightly nervous, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, since birth, okay.
unidentified		I've been having this dream, it's not been lately, but I'll be in a car and I'll be driving.
		I've never driven.
		It's really weird to me because I'll wake up and go, whoa.
		I cannot believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you dream that you're driving, do you see the car or do you just feel the sensations that you are used to experiencing in life?
unidentified		I guess I feel the sensations.
		Yeah, she's been blind since birth, and it is believed that blind people do not see in their dreams unless they were sighted for a time in childhood.
		Then they see in their dreams.
		Oh, you do see.
		I do.
		You believe you see.
		Tell me what you see.
		Well, I see, you know, roads and some signs.
		It just depends on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe a road.
unidentified		Well, they're black.
unidentified		They are either curved or they are gravelly on the shoulder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Dirt or ditches.
		Right.
		Let's see.
		That's about it, really.
		What's your first name, Color?
		Faith.
		Faith.
		The car is a symbol of our body.
		So when you dream that you are driving the car, that's actually a very good symbol because it means you're in control of your life.
		You're in control of your body.
		If we ever dream that someone else is driving us around, that's not good.
		That means that person is trying to take control of your life or running your life.
		So this is very good for your self-confidence because being a person who's never driven, it would be very common.
		It would be expected for you to dream of being a passenger.
		But yet you're still dreaming of being in the driver's seat.
		You are in control of your life, Stace.
		That's very good.
		Wow.
		You are the driving force of your own life.
		That's good to hear.
		Very good to hear, guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
		And I really appreciate your answering that question about a road.
		I mean, it's hard for me to...
unidentified		It depends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A paved road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A paved road.
unidentified		Paved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To you, does a paved road, is it just a smooth, unbroken surface, or how do you picture it?
unidentified		It's smooth and unpaved.
unidentified		It's smooth, and it's smooth, and it's got curves and turns and twists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really prefer it.
unidentified		I haven't missed one yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good job.
		That's really interesting because for somebody who has never seen a road, you kind of wonder how they picture it.
		And for those of us who have been on roads maybe too frequently and driven, we all know that they're sort of pitted and they have white lines and they have lots of, they're not very even surfaces.
		So I was kind of curious how she would imagine a road to be.
		Isn't that something?
		Somebody blind from birth.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air with Dr. Katya and Lori Quinn Lohenberg.
unidentified		Hello, did you say West of the Rockies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Fort Collins, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		My name is Jesse.
		I wanted to tell you I love your show.
		Thank you.
		I wanted to ask the doctors about a dream I had some years ago.
		And there's not much to it, really, but it really stood out in my mind, and I can still see the image I saw very clearly if I think about it.
		But I've never understood it.
		All the dream consisted of was I could see black space and then I saw this globe rather like the moon except it didn't have any imperfections or craters or anything, a glowing white globe and as I looked at it a circle of light began to form around it starting at the bottom and it went up around the globe to about three quarters of the
		way around it and my dream ended.
		And it just struck me as supposed to be really significant to me but I don't know, have any idea what it means.
		You said that the light went three quarters of the way around it?
		Right.
		It didn't complete?
		No.
		Hmm.
		That's a classic Jungian dream.
		We would call that a mandala dream, a mandala dream, because you're seeing a spherical object, something round, and it's not complete.
		A mandala symbolizes the wholeness of self.
		So this is kind of psychoanalytical talk here.
		But it means completing your wholeness of nature, your personality, all the way integrated.
		Yeah, I'm trying not to use...
		I would have you draw that.
		We would talk about that endlessly because you've had one of those classic symbols.
		The circle means eternity.
		It means your soul, your higher self, all that makes you.
		But yet you're not completely finished.
		You haven't reached that wholeness that is our goal.
		Our dreams help us reach that completion.
		So you were three-quarters of the way there.
		That's neat that you put a percentage to it, a practice.
		You're still a work in progress.
		Yeah, that was quite a long time ago I had that dream.
		I sort of thought of that a little bit, that that might be it.
		It just struck me how the image kept coming back to me, and it was like something was trying to tell me this is very significant, something that you need to think about.
		Exactly, whenever something's so vivid.
		Yeah.
		There's some area of your life.
		Some part of your personality you need to complete.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but suppose I try this argument on you ladies, and that is that all of this is complete crapola.
		That we have dreams.
		Of course we all know we have dreams, but they are not significant.
		They represent simply the random firing of neurons of the brain and a dream being important to have so that we get rest or whatever.
		But that there is not all this importance attached to the dreams at all, that they really mean basically, absolutely nothing.
unidentified		There are two camps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		You're talking the physiological camp, that dreams are just something going on, a madman in the brainstem, random misfirings of the brain.
		That's right.
		A small percentage of dream scholars do believe that, but the greater majority see the undeniable results of psychotherapy and dream work that there is a connection, and they're trying to work this out.
		Talk about locking horns.
		Yeah, I mean, you've got to think about it.
		How many times have you woken up and a problem has been solved?
		Because you've got to switch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many, actually.
unidentified		Right, or you wake up just feeling elated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rarely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not elated until after my second cup of coffee.
unidentified		Oh, bless your heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I have had many experiences of solving problems while I sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about it.
unidentified		That's where our sleep on it comes from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Intractable, impossible problems the night before, and the next morning I wake up and boom, there it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer.
unidentified		Right.
		And we've gotten many creative projects because of dreams that people have had.
		Like the story of Frankenstein, because Mary Shelley had a nightmare.
		And the story of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde was from a dream.
		On a sewing machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Is Einstein drawing a theory of relativity from a dream?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Einstein?
unidentified		He was inspired by a dream.
		Yes.
		He came up with a theory of relativity from a dream.
		Yeah, and Edison, Edison confessed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He never heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Edison.
unidentified		Yeah, a lot of famous people have heard of it.
		Thomas Edison kept a cot in his study so that when he was having a mental block, he could go to sleep and dream and, quote, grab an idea from space.
		Grab an idea from space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Grab an idea from space.
		Well, that would imply a kind of collective consciousness.
		Would it?
		Would it?
		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I think so.
		Carl Yung coined that term, the collective unconscious.
		And that's that blueprint of humanity that we all are interwoven together.
		Pretty cool.
		It's like a library you can tap into.
		It's like the Internet.
		You just tap into it, ask your question, and your dreaming mind will answer it.
		But can you interpret that answer?
		Are you listening to that answer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I must say I lean toward your explanation more than I do my little argumentative presentation of they mean absolutely nothing.
		I think they do mean something.
		But I'm not sure we've got it all figured out.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Katya and Lori Quinn Lohenberg.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, it's John calling from Halifax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Halifax, Nova Scotia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nova Scotia.
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, all right.
		I just want to comment on that one last thing they were saying there about geez, I think I've lost my thoughts on that.
		Basically, I should get to the point.
		I have two actual dreams.
		One that's odd I've had all my life where even before I go to sleep I can feel almost trance coming on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can feel what?
unidentified		I feel a trance sort of almost coming on.
		And when I get into the sleep I start noticing things are all puffy and fat.
		I'm basically almost surrounded.
		It's hard to move around in there.
		I can't describe what I'm in.
		It's just sort of all puffy and swollen.
		I've been waken up by my mother and still sort of stay in this trance for half hour sort of thing, statements that she proves that aren't true and that I firmly believe.
		But it just seems odd.
		I found as I get older I could control it and haven't had it in a year or two now lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can control your dreams?
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can control your dreams?
unidentified		Well, I can now stop myself from going into them.
		I can feel the sort of swollenness coming on as I'm going to bed.
		It happened to me last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you can turn it away.
unidentified		I can shut it off.
unidentified		I know I've done it for a few years now where I could feel it coming on and I just sort of roll over, try to go back to sleep and I'm usually successful in getting to sleep without it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's really...
unidentified		I don't sleep at that point.
		It's hard to sort of describe what I'm in, but everything is swollen around me.
		I'm almost enclosed in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, no, I think I get the idea.
		Thank you.
		So that man has a dream he doesn't like or had a dream he didn't like, and he figured out how to stop having it.
		Is that normal?
		Is that something most people can do?
unidentified		Usually they need the help of a trained counselor or psychoanalyst to help them turn that off.
		But he figured it out on his own.
		That's good job.
		That means he's well balanced psychologically and able to solve his own situation.
		What's interesting is he goes into a trance.
		This is the hypnagogic state.
		The hypnagogic state that we all go through as we are drifting into sleep is just the same state as when someone's high on LSD, or what do you call it, tripping on LSD, or someone who is in the deep stages of meditation.
		So it is trance-like.
		And some of the most psychic dreams occur during this drifting state as we're going in.
		The psychic impressions, visions, seeing deities, lost loved ones happen during this period, the hypnagogic state.
		And then as we drift into REM sleep, we become paralyzed.
		Otherwise, we'd act out our dreams.
		We'd get up and walk around.
		There are rare cases of people who do this.
		So notice he said he felt paralyzed, he felt closed in, trapped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, bogged down with...
		Hold on, ladies, and we'll be right back.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		We're talking about dreams, your dreams.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
		As we will fly soft, it's another summer's day.
		Locking all our girls away, just to remind us we sleepy warmth on summer nights Gazing after this value that you gain in the air of the cast She
		She doesn't give you time for questions As she looks up your eyes and her And you follow till your sense of which direction Completely disappears By the blue tarred walls near the market stalls As a hidden door she leads you to These days she says I feel my life Just like a river running through
		The air of the camp The American Pronunciation Guide Presents "How to Pronounce
		Jax"listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, the year of the cat.
		There's something about this record, too, that has been getting to me lately.
		It just keeps coming back.
		Not like a bad dream, but like a good dream.
		I don't know what it is about it.
		Women are kind of cat-like, aren't they?
		I think that's what they're singing about here.
unidentified		Moving through the year of the cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about dreams tonight.
unidentified		Wanna join in?
unidentified		One morning comes and you're still open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotta admit, that's pretty stiff, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll get back to dreams and our guests in a moment.
unidentified		All right.
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		You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into.
		The paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
		The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
		And all of a sudden, I woke up.
		I simply woke up.
		Is that what happened with you two?
		Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
		And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
		And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
		Here's the three options.
		Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
		And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
		They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
		There's no doubt in my mind.
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		When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
		I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
		You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
		And unfortunately, this is one of them.
		You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
		You're listening to Arkbell Somewhere in Time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Katya Romanov, actually, and Lori Quinn-Lohenberg are my guests.
		They are dream interpreters.
		Dr. Katya has a PhD in parapsychology, metaphysics, and world religions, plural.
		Lori is a certified dream interpreter as well as a professional artist.
		And by the way, how do you get to be a certified dream interpreter, Lori?
unidentified		Well, I took a 55-hour collegiate course taught by Dr. Katya.
unidentified		Oh, and I graduated head of the class.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
unidentified		Yeah, that's how we met.
unidentified		Yeah, we teamed up and decided we needed to spread dream awareness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right, well, I've got a kind of disturbing fact here from somebody calling himself Han.
		And he says, my dream involves kidnapping random people, taking them home, killing them, chopping them up, wrapping them in individual packages, and putting them in my refrigerator, and then eating them.
		How would you interpret that?
unidentified		Jeffrey Dahlmer here revisited.
		Again, murder in our dreams is he's killing off parts of himself.
		He's holding them hostage.
		He's killing them and redigesting them.
		In other words, he's improperly going about realizing the wholeness of self.
		He's working like everyone else toward that union of the soul, that completion.
		But he's doing it inappropriately, definitely, and maybe a little too violently.
		He's just destroying segments of himself that he really shouldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So would you not want to know somebody who had this dream?
unidentified		No, certainly not.
		No, it doesn't mean he's psycho or has latent violent tendencies.
		No, that's very common to dream of violence.
		I would, of course, see with what relish he related the dream to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great relish.
unidentified		Yeah.
		See, then you have to think, haha, is he exaggerating?
		Is he trying to get a rise out of me?
		You know, we get that a lot.
		And you learn.
		You learn when someone's making it up, when they're not, or when they're designing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it might be somebody screwing with you, to be honest.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is exactly that because the signature is Hannibal Lecter.
		You know, Han?
		Han, Hannibal Lecter.
		I made all that up.
unidentified		I see how you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just wanted to see how you'd answer that.
unidentified		We knew something was up there.
unidentified		We are right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did very well.
		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Dr. Kalya and Lori Lowenberg.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		And hello to your guests.
		I'm a colleague from Las Vegas, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, over the hill.
unidentified		Just over the hill.
		I actually had a question about a dream of mine.
		I unfortunately have dealt with losing a best friend.
		She died in a car accident four years ago.
		And after she passed away, I had just been hoping I was going to have a dream about her because her death actually was an accident.
		And still to this day, her parents really don't know how exactly the accident happened.
		And I don't need to go into details about that, but I always wanted to have a dream about her, just maybe her saying something to me that she was okay and everything was fine and everything, but I never did until after about a year and a half later.
		And all I dreamt about was her and I in a restaurant and we were sitting in a booth and I was looking at her and she was looking at me and she was smiling.
		And that's all I remember from the dream.
		And that was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, ladies?
unidentified		Okay.
		I would say that at the time you had the dream, since it was so long after her death, you were in need of some kind of spiritual or emotional nourishment.
		That's why you were in the restaurant.
		And it could have been a contact dream.
		Then again, she could represent some part of your personality that has died or some part of your personality that is like her and is showing up in your dream to reassure you everything's fine.
		Or as Laurie says, it could have been a contact dream.
		There are countless, countless reports of loved ones who've passed on coming to us in the dreaming state as though to say, hey, I'm fine.
		And she was smiling at you, showing you a tranquility that it's cool, I'm okay.
		Well, that's neat.
		I guess, I mean, I wish there was some way I could have more dreams about her, but I don't know, is there any way possible that maybe I'm just thinking too much about it and wishing it so much that that could possibly just not let me have a dream of her, possibly?
		Yes, I think so.
		A lot of people who deal with this type of staying out-of-body experiences and contacting the beyond would tell you, don't ask it to come to you.
		Just leave yourself open and they will come when they need to tell you something and when they feel that you need that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be careful what you ask for.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		You might get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You might get it.
unidentified		Well, let me ask you, ladies, this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When somebody like that lady calls up and says, give their dream, and you say, well, it might mean this, or it might mean that, or it might mean something else, which is it?
		I mean, it might mean any of those things, and those are very different things.
		Would it take her coming in and lying down horizontally as you would in front of a psychiatrist and talking about lots of dreams before you really understood what it means?
		Is that why we get sort of a multiple, it could mean this or it could mean that from you?
unidentified		Well, dreams are multi-layered like an onion.
		And the one thing that will stick out to her as we give her these options is what it means to her.
		Whereas if someone else had that similar dream...
		Some dreams are very easy to know the meaning of, but when something is multifaceted like this and you're dealing with the contact issue of a deceased person, you have to deal with people's beliefs on that.
		Some people believe that contact dreams are impossible.
		It's just her psychological need to know that her friend is okay, that she was sort of bringing it on.
		But then other people really believe that from the beyond we can contact our loved ones and know they really are still with us.
		So you have to sort of play that one carefully.
		So we often will offer options.
		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Both of my grandparents on my mother's side have passed away.
		And I never dream about them.
		I never have contact with them.
		But on the other hand, I feel the presence of a cat I once had all the time.
		Go figure that one.
unidentified		Cats are psychic.
		They symbolize the feminine side.
		They symbolize psychic ability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cats do.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Feminine.
		Cats are so psychic.
		There have been cases of real-life cats being separated by thousands of miles from their owners.
		The owner even moves.
		So it's not like the dog who can find the owner because he remembers where the home was, the house was.
		The cat can find the person by their brainwaves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's only the feminine side, huh?
unidentified		Well, it's usually what it symbolizes.
unidentified		A cat symbolizes females and dogs symbolize males.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whereas guys never ask directions, they wander aimlessly for hours.
unidentified		Serious overgeneralization here and gender typing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was about to complain about that.
unidentified		Yes, I was wondering why you weren't jumping on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Katya and Laurie Lohenberg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		My name is David, and I'm calling from near Austin, Texas.
		Hi, David.
		I have a subject I'd like to bring up.
		One, three parts.
		One is my past involved a lot of paranormal experiences, which, like you, I didn't have control over.
		They just happened from time to time without necessarily my involvement, but they just taught me that they exist.
		Unfortunately, when I discussed them, I was declared mentally ill.
		Were you really?
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of stuff did you have?
unidentified		Oh, I've had out-of-body experiences.
		I've seen objects appear and disappear.
		I've had precognitive dreams.
		I've had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why would somebody call you mentally ill for that?
unidentified		Well, because you're talking to a medical doctor instead of a talk show host.
		From their standpoint.
		I mean, that's another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you went in like your family doctor and he gave you a referral to a sentence.
unidentified		I was trying to be a priest, and then they sent me over to be checked out.
		Anyway, that's just my journey, okay?
		That's just my little path in life, okay?
		And whatever.
		Anyway, part of it is that I ended up marrying a woman who is a lot, it's a really seriously troubled woman.
		And part of what I learned is that a person can ask to take on the burdens of another person.
		And so one of my little prayers was to take as much of her pain silently as I was able to handle.
		And another thing I learned over the years that involves dreams, and I'd like to see if this is still the idea, is that a dream that's painful enough to wake you up is in fact a nightmare by definition.
		And that you only remember the dreams that you wake up during.
		So you basically only remember your nightmares.
		Ladies?
		I don't know if that's true or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's find out.
unidentified		Ladies?
		Well, it's true, yes and no.
		If a dream, a nightmare, propels you into the waking state before you normally would awaken, then it's a frightening dream, it's a nightmare, it makes your palms sweat, your heart race, you feel paralyzed.
		That's by definition a nightmare.
		But when we're in the emergent stage one of sleep, we're coming out of the REM state, we're naturally waking up.
		And those are dreams.
		They're not nightmares.
		It is a difference.
		Well, what I wanted to share with you is that being with this woman and taking on that task, every single night that I slept with her, I woke up in a sweat during a dream that involved aliens attacking, planes blowing up a block down the street, just stuff like that.
		And the moment we broke apart and I moved away, I slept like a baby.
		And have not, you know, I've just, it was just like night and day.
		You know what that means.
		That meant you were not worried about.
		None of this surprises me at all, you know, and I just wanted to share that with you and with the audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate that.
		Ladies, you said you know what that means.
		What does that mean?
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just knocked one of my guests off, so I only have Lady.
unidentified		Oh, I guess that would be me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be you.
		You're the only one left.
		I just pushed the wrong button and I knocked my other guests off.
		So you've got to jump on this one.
unidentified		Okay.
		You, of course, know that this is a foreign situation to you, having to deal with this.
		And I think this dream also shows that dreams aren't just random misfirings of the brain.
		It's showing that he is having to battle with something in his daily life.
		It's a pun.
		Dreams are very punny.
		He's grappling with his wife's situation.
		And it's foreign to him.
		That's why he dreams of aliens attacking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said that he consciously chose to take on her troubles.
unidentified		Yeah.
		It was a battle for him.
		He didn't want to, but yet he felt he had to out of love, out of duty, who knows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you tell some people what their dream means, I take it that you are brutally honest with them.
		In other words, if it means the worst or something that is going to be negative, you don't couch that.
		You don't hold that back from them, do you?
unidentified		Well, no, but we also tell them, you know, this dream is bringing this situation, no matter how horrible it is, to light so that you can deal with it.
		There's no such thing as a bad dream.
		The scarier the dream, the more important the message is.
		And it's just scaring you to get your attention.
		It's drawing attention to a bad situation in order to take care of it.
		To face it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no such thing as a bad dream?
unidentified		Not really.
unidentified		It it will be scary when you think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now here's an interesting question.
		I once went to the dentist a long time ago.
		And this was they would give you gas to put you to sleep.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I was about 13, I guess.
		I had a bunch of cavities.
		It was horrible.
		I demanded I be put to sleep in fact.
		My dentist was so painful.
		And I dreamed that little guys were chopping up the world with pickaxes.
unidentified		And this is why you were under the gas?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it was extremely vivid.
		And little guys chopping up our entire world with pickaxes.
		Now, what possible good could that do be?
unidentified		Well, now, you're not actually in the normal, natural dream state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the question is...
		This is under the influence of a drug.
		Do we dream differently when under the influence of drugs?
unidentified		Yes, we do.
unidentified		Alcohol and drugs and illegal drugs especially will cause you to have nightmares.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the difference between a legal and illegal drug?
		In fact, hold, we'll come back to that question in a moment.
		Stay right there, and we'll get the other half of our team back together as well.
		And sorry about that.
		This occurs occasionally when we have multiple lines operating.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th, 1999.
		Each and every day of the year.
		January, you start the year off fine.
		February, you're my little Valentine.
		Army's gonna march you down the aisle.
		February, the Easter Board, when you smile.
		Yeah, yeah, my heart's in a whirl.
		I love, I love, I love my little pal and a girl every day.
		Every day, yeah.
		Maybe if I ask your daddy mom, you'll be good morning with the sunshine to brighten up
		my day.
		Come sit beside me in your way I see you every morning outside the rest of you,
		The music plays on Anshallah.
		listening to Artfell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from October 5th 1999 We're going to do another segment of Dreams with Dr. Katya Robanov and Laurie Quinn Lohenberg and We're going to ask about how some people wake up in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it has anything to do with dreams to be honest with you, but Mr. Sunshine.
		There are some people who wake up and they're just happy-go-lucky from the moment they open their eyes.
		It's a beautiful day and everything is piffy.
		And other people wake up.
		Let's see how to describe those people.
		Well, for a short period, they're actually evil.
unidentified		Totally evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The worst kind of wake-up you can imagine.
unidentified		Grouchy and mean and miserable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll ask.
unidentified		Go and daily.
		Go home, baby.
		Where would I be without my wall?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In that street.
unidentified		anyway all that coming up Looking for the truth?
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		When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
		I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
		You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
		And unfortunately, this is one of them.
		You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
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		Weird Stories on the Radio must be Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
		The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
		And all of a sudden, I woke up.
		I simply woke up.
		Is that what happened with you two?
		Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
		And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
		And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
		Here's the three options.
		Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
		And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
		They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
		There's no doubt in my mind.
		And now we take you back to the night of October 5th, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, once again, my two guests, welcome back, Dr. Kanye.
		Sorry about that.
		It happens.
		I hit the wrong button.
		Sometimes it's my fault.
		Sometimes the phone company does it.
		This time it was me.
		No offense.
		First time caller online, you're on the air with Dr. Katya Romanov and Laurie Quinn Lohenberg.
unidentified		As we went down, down.
		I remember starting to go down, but I don't remember crashing in my dream.
		But I remember after we crashed that I saw my brother and I walked up to him and he had like a body bag with him.
		And when, you know, I kept trying to get him to open it up and he wouldn't do it for me.
		When I finally got to the point where I could get it open, I saw myself there and I was dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
unidentified		And, you know, you've always heard how if you see yourself dead in a dream, supposedly you die.
		Or if you fall and you land, you die.
		I was just curious about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, ladies.
unidentified		Well, he's obviously proved that that's just an old wives tell.
		But death in a dream means change.
		Getting rid of the old and making way for the new.
		Now, this dream could have been dealing with your fear of flying.
		And perhaps you were going through the process of changing that about you.
		That old part of you that is afraid of flying is dying off.
		And your dream is reflecting that change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why wouldn't a dream about dying mean you're going to die?
unidentified		Rarely, rarely will mean that.
		Because death, impending death, again, we've done studies, shows up with other really odd symbols that you wouldn't expect, like the ticking of a clock, a candle going out.
		But actual death is just too literal.
		Dreams are so symbolic.
		So really seeing death in a dream means death in the metaphorical sense.
		Some part of you is dying off or some big change is about to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel better, sir?
unidentified		Well, that was the conclusion I pretty much came to about the dream.
		The other thing I was going to tell you about is I have had an out-of-body experience where actually I think it was closer to a near-death experience when I was younger.
		I went to a picnic with my parents and they had the helium balloons there and I'd been sucking in the helium all day.
		I was probably about 11 or 12 and I remember that it felt funny.
		You know, it felt like I was walking above ground.
		Well, we came to where we did the three-legged race and I decided to suck down this huge balloon that I had really quick.
		And when I did that, I was standing.
		Well, the next thing I knew, I was above myself looking down, and I was floating up.
		And I remember thinking, well, this isn't right.
		And grabbing hold of a tree branch of the tree that was right above me and looking down, seeing myself laying on the ground.
		And the next thing I remember is I opened up my eyes and there I was laying on the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a whole tank of helium here.
		That's worth a shot.
		Ladies, that brings us back to this drug thing.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I meant to ask you about that.
		I asked you, look, what's the diff between legal drugs and illicit drugs?
		What's the difference between going to sleep, say, drunk, and going to sleep somebody's phone is beeping?
unidentified		Yes, I'll use my phone.
unidentified		I'll take care of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And going to sleep for when you're, well, I don't know, stoned or took LSD or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the difference?
unidentified		Drugs and chemicals affect the dreaming mind.
		Anything that's going to mess with your mind and the brainwaves, the speed of what's going on in there is going to induce these kinds of states so we can induce it artificially.
		You know, if we didn't have this technology, we wouldn't be able to anesthetize people before surgery.
		It's all the same stuff.
		So he was messing with his mind, those chemical substances.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, most of these drugs come from something that's grown in the ground, right?
unidentified		Right.
		But you're inducing that state using an outside element.
		If you can get high on your own, then I encourage people to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what about coffee?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you drink too much coffee and you try to sleep, you have a very disturbed sleep.
unidentified		Definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a weird kind of sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, because I drink a lot of coffee.
unidentified		Caffeine's a bad drug.
unidentified		And nicotine, people who are coming off of cigarettes quit, their dreams suddenly come flooding in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Very vivid, very active dreaming life as the nicotine comes out of their system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that good or bad?
unidentified		Well, you know, take that as you may.
		I would say it's good because we need the dream state to help us process information and solve problems.
		That's why we dream.
		It's a learning thing.
		It's a schoolhouse.
		You spend one-third of your life sleeping, okay?
		Why not use this time for constructive purposes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		A third of your life, a third of your life dreaming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's something to contemplate all by itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Kat and Lori Loewenberg.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Good morning.
		I have a little something for all three of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Michigan, all right?
unidentified		One is I love to dream.
unidentified		There's nothing more I look forward to than having a dream, whether it be the worst dream you can have or the best dream you can have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're pretty unusual.
unidentified		Up until this is, the reason I said this for all three, this is a little do for you too, Arc, was up until I was about 13, I used to be able to control my dreams at will.
unidentified		When I went to sleep, I could control it, right when I went into the dream, I could control every single thing that would happen, except for the base plot of the dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in other words, the plot would be random, but within that, you could control what you did?
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
unidentified		Called lucid dreaming.
		Correct.
		Now, the reason I said this was for you too, Art, was as at 13, I had an experience where I believed that I may have been an abductee.
		I have no idea.
		But after that had happened, this instance, I have never been able to do that since.
		But I've always felt that I could get back to that, and I don't know how.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's ask the following question.
		Ladies, I have interviewed over the years many people who claim to be abductees, to have been taken by aliens or the military or various sorts of nefarious beings.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many of the reported abductions that we hear about do you think are dreams?
unidentified		Whew.
		Oh, gee, it's very possible.
		You see, when you deprive yourself of sleep, when you affect your body and you don't get enough dream time, your body will compensate by giving you dreams when you're awake, i.e., hallucinations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen, I've been there.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, I bet you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you a little story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I lived on the island of Okinawa for a decade, 10 years.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I was stupid, young, and I did a bunch of publicity stunts.
		And one of them was I broadcast consistently, constantly, from Monday night through Saturday afternoon.
		That's Monday night through Saturday afternoon, or yeah, I think it was late Saturday when I finally quit.
		And I never slept that whole time.
		And they wouldn't let me drink coffee.
		They had doctors tending to me.
		There were crowds all around me.
		No drugs.
		I had coffee in the beginning, but then they cut me off because my pulse rate began to get too high.
		So they made me stop.
		The only way I could keep myself awake was taking frozen cans of orange juice and putting it up against my neck and my forehead and stuff to shock myself.
unidentified		Hey, there was a DJ in New York who did this, and they studied him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, 115 hours and 15 minutes is what I made.
unidentified		That's incredible.
unidentified		I think by the end of the week, your show was really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was about two-thirds of the way through this, I began to hallucinate.
		And when I say hallucinate, it was as real as the experience that I'm having with you right now on the radio.
		Every detail, every aspect of everything I did, it was that real.
		And I told them that I had been upstairs in a different part of the radio station, up in the management offices of the Japanese managers that we had, and been roaming around and had seen things and touched things and opened refrigerators and drawers and stuff like that.
		It was that real.
		Now, is that the same as a dream you have when you go to bed at night?
unidentified		Well, it's the same, but yet it's different, too.
		Because your mind is desperately trying to get into REM because you're depriving yourself of sleep.
		So it's like, fine, fine.
		I'll start firing from the brainstem while he's awake.
		That's a physiological thing.
		But what's neat is how you're this great little proof of hallucination and how very real it is.
		What's really going on?
		You know, are we all a bunch of waves, energy, connected?
		What are our minds really up to?
		Are we all part of this big over mind?
		We're just cells in some big consciousness.
		Is the goal of our existence just to become aware?
		You know, really helping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When it was over, I slept for 18 hours straight.
		I woke up, I ate a meal, and went back to sleep for 12 more hours.
		But I have always thought all my life that I damaged myself in some rather permanent fashion by doing that.
unidentified		Why?
		What made you think you were damaged?
		What was different?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just had the sense that I was never quite the same.
unidentified		Was it guilty?
unidentified		Were you feeling guilt or fear?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		That I damaged my brain in some way by doing this.
		And really, that kind of deprivation probably is harmful.
unidentified		Now, I have no idea whether it's commons happen to burn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Burned out brain cells?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine that possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happens when you deprive yourself of sleep?
unidentified		Well, you're not going to burn things, but you're not going to regenerate either.
		When we're sleeping, there's a regeneration process going on in our brain.
		That's one of the purposes, they believe, of dreaming.
		But remember, shamans and holy men and holy women too, for thousands of years have been doing what you just described in order to get visions.
		There would be one person chosen in the tribe, and they would deprive this person of sleep just to get foretaste of the future to invite these hallucinations.
		You weren't damaging yourself unless there's really, that's why I was asking you, what sense did you have?
		What proof do you have that you damaged yourself?
		You just entered a realm that very few people had.
		They had the guts to keep themselves awake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no proof.
unidentified		Well, the body has a good way of making up for lost time.
		And when you went back to sleep, this is very similar to a study done with some college students where they, in a sleep laboratory, they were allowed to go to sleep, but once they entered that REM state, they were woken up.
		So they were able to sleep, but not able to dream.
		And they became cranky, moody, they hallucinated, had signs of psychosis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One last question, and I mentioned this going into the bottom of the hour, and we're almost out of time, but some people wake up really happy, and other people wake up like the wicked witch of the north.
		What controls that?
		Do you have any idea?
unidentified		Well, it depends.
		If you mean they regularly, habitually wake up.
		Always nasty?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, nasty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I used to when I was young.
unidentified		Yeah, that's a personality thing.
		That has nothing to do with dreams.
		But if it's every once in a while that that happens, it could be a dream that disturbed them or messed them up.
		It could be their lifestyle.
		If they have a very stressful job or a stressful life, their dreams are going to be stressful.
		And so they wake up not feeling like they had a good night's sleep and just cranky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Actually, that happens to me a lot.
		I've got a lot of stress in my life.
		More stress than most 10 people.
		And so that does happen to me.
unidentified		And your sleep thing, that two sleep periods a day, that's rough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is rough.
		It's different.
		I'm now used to it, of course, but I realize that it's rough and different and probably not very good for me.
		All right, listen, ladies.
		Thedreamzone.com is your website, right?
unidentified		Yes, come see us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like, you run it all together, the DreamZone.
unidentified		It's all one word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got a link on our site for you right now.
unidentified		Oh, how nice.
unidentified		What's your website, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's really complicated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		www.artbell.com.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So we are linked with you.
		We will send people, and I want to thank you both for being here.
unidentified		And we thank you for having us.
		This is fun.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll talk about dreaming of a place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, ladies.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.

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