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Sept. 29, 1999 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Soviet UFOs - Paul Stonehill - Gordon Lightfoot
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As you know, I have played a lot of Gordon Lightfoot's music.
And I mean a lot of his music.
It is absolutely beautiful.
You will recognize it immediately.
He's recorded 19 albums now.
19 albums!
Has 5 Grammy.
Nominations.
See, I can't interrupt this, so I'm going to have to do this later.
It's too good.
You don't talk over that.
Five Grammy nominations, 17 Juno Awards in his native Canada, 1970 in recognition of his contributions in furthering Canadian culture.
He received the prestigious Order of Canada citation in November of 1997.
Presented the Governor General's Award, the highest official Canadian honor.
Which is conferred on very few.
Joni Mitchell is another for their international efforts in spreading Canadian culture.
Well, it certainly has done that.
Most recently, Gordon Lightfoot was honored as a charter member of Canada's Walk of Fame.
And I assume that's probably much like our sidewalk in Hollywood with footprints of the famous.
There are so many things you would recognize that he has done.
Some not, perhaps.
Early Morning Rain.
Canadian Railroad Trilogy.
Cotton Jenny.
Sundown.
Sundown was something that really fooled me.
We're going to ask about that.
Shadows, if you could read my mind, of course.
My favorite.
Carefree Highway.
The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
So many asking about that.
Beautiful.
Alberta Bound and Ribbon of Darkness.
He has, I'll tell you, he has interacted and recorded Had recorded his songs by people like Bob Dylan, Peter, Paul and Mary, Ian and Sylvia, Richie Havens, Glenn Campbell, Ann Murray, Harry Belafonte, Elvis Presley?
Elvis Presley!
Barbara Streisand and George Hamilton IV.
And here is Gordon Lightfoot.
Gordon, welcome to the program.
Thank you, Art.
I'm very pleased to be with you this evening.
It's the greatest honor for me.
You have no idea.
I've been playing your music for a long time now, and I guess somebody recently told you that I've been playing your music.
Is that how it went?
Yeah.
One of the guys down at the gym was tuning into the program and told me about it.
I thought I would whip off a fax.
You were in a choir when you were young, weren't you?
I really appreciate it.
I appreciate it very much.
I appreciate the play.
I was so honored to get the facts, I held it up to my camera here so everybody could
see it.
Gordon, you come from, you were in a choir when you were young, weren't you?
Oh yeah.
So many really good singers come from that kind of background, pop singers and folk alike.
I mean, Neil Diamond early on, boy, heavy religious influence.
They get a little religion thrown in.
Pointer Sisters?
Yeah.
All of them, son of a preacher man, did a lot of gospel singing.
And so that's where you began singing, huh?
Yeah, I got started really early on.
My mother was into having me take piano lessons as well at that time, so singing and the piano lessons, I got right into it really young.
So music just grabbed you and never let go?
No, I really wanted to make my living at it.
I think by the time I was about ten, I'm sure of that.
Your music, to me, And I guess everybody judges it their own way, but it has a definite sort of spiritual or mystical leaning to it.
Obviously, that has to come from your life.
Well, those are pretty powerful words.
I don't know how mystical it is.
It's just the way I do it and try to make it flow.
Spiritual, then.
In other words, there's got to be something in Gordon Lightfoot's life that allows these kind of spiritual lyrics, like if you could read my mind.
I mean, what inspired that?
Can you tell me?
Well, probably life changes at the time.
I just know I was working on a whole bunch of stuff all at the same time and working in an empty house.
at that time and it was just one of the songs that popped out and
Believe you me the album was out for about eight months before
For anyone noticed if you could read my mind at all It hit me right between the eyes and I can only imagine
It had to come from something in your life, I mean Actually, that's a good question.
Where do these things come from?
In other words, when you come up with some kind of fabulous song like this, that to so many means so much and is so spiritual, does it come from something that happened in your life, or is it just sort of a creative, spiritual moment for you?
It happened right around the end of my first marriage, which lasted for seven years.
I'm sure it was reflected in that song.
It was.
It really was.
Is it fair to say, Gordon, that some of the best musicians and artists and all kinds of creative people come at some of the worst times?
Yeah.
You just seem to get into it and it takes your mind off it, you know what I mean?
I know exactly what you mean.
In fact, it's impossible really for a while to get your mind off it.
Maybe writing a song about it provides some kind of closure for you?
Yeah, but usually I'm working on more than one song at a time, so I'm into a flow.
I guess on a binge.
I used to write songs like on binges.
And sometimes come up with quite a large number of songs over a period of weeks.
So it's like a creative ebb and flow.
In other words, when it's there, it's almost unstoppable.
You take advantage and go for it.
Exactly.
And it keeps you up all night and all day or whatever it takes.
It may well be that staying up all night and all day and really being in a creative binge, as you call it, is in fact the way it happens.
You stay up all night and all day and you're almost in an altered state of some kind, aren't you?
Yeah, that was such a long time ago.
It's not like that now.
I have to be much more disciplined about it now than I was then.
you wrote a song which i don't have right now called the record the edmund
fitzgerald and knowing that you're going to be on the program
i got a million faxes from people on who asked me to ask you a day really really are into
that song and they asked me to ask you
the story behind the wreck of the admin fits gerald and why you you wrote a song
about it we we made lots of new friends and uh... in the great lakes
area as a result of that song
and i do keep myself open to conversation with the people you know when they come to see us in
concert Sure.
And one of the very first questions that I was asked was, what happened?
do you know what what might have taken place i had uh... it's seen on the on the on the television i
tell I'd seen it on TV the night of the 10th, which was perhaps a Monday, a Monday evening.
It was just on the TV.
It had just sunk just three hours earlier.
I didn't give it another thought for really for another 12 days.
Then I saw an article in Newsweek Magazine.
And then I went back and got the newspaper articles, the Toronto Telegram and the Toronto Star, and read up on the chronological order of this thing, and already had previously stumbled on a chord progression for a musical idea that seemed compatible with the story.
But still no lyrics, so I took that melody and I'd been saving it, and I I built a story around that.
So the melody came first?
The inspiration for the melody first and then later the words?
Usually.
Yeah, usually it's that way.
Spiritual again.
Here's a fact I want to read you from somebody that I think you may understand.
It says, I too am an avid fan of Gordon Lightfoot Art and I've been for many years.
His appearance on your show next week will be very special for My wife and myself, not only because we love his music, but also because of the following reason.
My wife's brother was struck with multiple sclerosis in 1971.
By 75, the disease had progressed to the point of total confinement.
Betty loved music, so I introduced him to the music from Gordon Lightfoot.
He loved all of it from the first time he heard it.
But there was one song that he especially loved.
That song was The Watchman's Out.
Art, I swear to you, the following is true.
Jimmy ended up in the hospital with complications, was in very bad shape, went into a coma, hung on for a few days.
While we were there, I walked out of his room and into a lounge area, just for a moment, to have a cup of coffee.
It was about 3 in the morning.
The lounge was empty, there was soft music being played as I sat there amazingly, Gordon Lightfoot's The Watchman's Out came on after listening to it, went back to Jimmy's room to give someone else a break, and found that Jimmy had just passed on.
Oh, my goodness.
Oh, dear.
During that song, and that was the song that he had fallen in love with.
That particular song is one that we enjoy playing very much on stage, too.
It's stood the test of time.
I know that music is good for people who are having distress.
It is very helpful.
I've heard about it.
Oh, it's therapeutic.
When I'm having a really tough time, my Sony CD Walkman and I get together and I'll just sit down for an hour and I'll listen to all my favorite music and it completely puts me in a new place.
Oh, that's good.
And your music really, really does that.
Thank you very much, but I've got to say, I'm recognizing, too, there's a lot of great artists out there, and you've got to appreciate the quality of some of the work that's been done over the last 20 years, let's say.
And you've written for a lot of them, haven't you?
Well, I did.
I got quite a bit of stuff recorded.
I got some management happening.
Stateside, back in about 1965, and I got into a good publishing situation, too, for my stuff, and I had a lot of stuff, and it got around.
The one that Elvis did was Early Morning Rain, and he did a wonderful job.
Oh, I love that song.
Early Morning Rain.
No kidding.
Yeah.
That's a great song.
I was really proud of that one.
I didn't realize it at the time, but I sure do now.
Does that happen to you?
In other words, later on, even years later, you suddenly recognize... Yeah, I was real happy that he did that.
It made me feel secure in the totem pole.
Did you get to talk to him, meet him?
No, I did not.
But I did see him perform.
I had an opportunity to meet him, but there was too much going on.
I'm kind of a quiet fellow.
The party at the end of the rainbow had passed by for me many years ago.
Me too.
Actually, Gordon, I'm kind of a recluse, to be frank with you.
So am I.
I love what I do when I'm on the air, probably like you love what you do when you're on stage or when you're cutting into an album and you know you've got a piece of gold in your hands.
I've got a family, too, on the other side and I try to balance the two of them.
How do you do that?
It's a balancing act, I can assure you, as people can well understand.
Show business and family and yet it works and we're well organized.
Our band takes it seriously.
It's fun to do when you do it that way.
We're like a team.
We're almost like a sports team.
When we go out, we're ready to go out there and really do it well.
How much of the year do you spend away from home?
I only play up to 50 times a year.
It's done in sections.
On the road or anything like that.
We're really happy to be able to have it organized in such a manner.
You were not that long ago in Las Vegas, weren't you?
We did.
We played at the House of Blues in Las Vegas.
We had a great time and everything went really well there.
Las Vegas is just over the hill from here.
If I go outside right now, I can see the lights of Las Vegas.
Ah.
Lighting up the night sky.
I'm about 65 miles away and that's how much light there comes from Las Vegas.
Is that not an amazing place now?
Yes it is.
You're located outside of Las Vegas.
That's right.
Out here in the middle of the very serious desert.
Ah.
Not all that far from Death Valley.
Closer to Death Valley than Las Vegas.
Oh man.
It's a very serious remote place to live and I love it.
Oh, that is good.
It sounds wonderful.
So, anyway, if you could read my mind, it came at a moment when... That was at the end of a marriage.
Heartbroken?
Well, I felt pretty bad about it.
I did.
It really tore me up, as I'm sure it does anyone else that has.
There was a couple of children involved there as well.
That's what it does, it did.
But it came and it went and I kept writing and that seemed to me at the time to be the most important thing.
So I put all my effort into that and started back on the single life again.
Alright, well hold it right there.
Gordon Lightfoot is here.
Listen to the words now that you know what he was singing about.
I'm Art Bell.
You could remind my love What a tale my thoughts could tell Just like an old time movie About a ghost from a wishing well In a castle dark Or a fortress strong With chains upon my feet You know that ghost is me And I will never be set free As long as I'm a ghost that you can't see
If I could read your mind, love, what a tale your thoughts could tell.
Just like a paperback novel, the kind the drugstore sells.
The hero would be me, the hero of this.
You won't read that book again because the ending's just too hard to take.
I'd walk away like a movie star Who gets burned in a three-way strip
Art Bell is taking your calls from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255, east of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
I'd walk away like a movie star who gets burned in a three-way Because the ending's just too hard to take
And enters number two A movie queen to play the scene
Of bringing all the good things out in me But for now, love, let's do it
If you listen to the words after hearing what was going on, now you get it too.
Good morning everybody.
I'm Art Bell.
and now i get it
he listened to the words after hearing what was going on now you get it too
good morning everybody i'm art bell gordon like what is here
and he'll be right back you
you All right, once again from Canada, here is Gordon Lightfoot.
And Gordon, you know, now that you've told me what you told me about that song, listening to the words, it goes click, click, click for me.
But I've got to tell you that before you told me what that was about, my interpretation and that of my wife, we are oh so close, Gordon.
We're really soulmates.
We have talked about what would happen if one of us were to leave the earth before the other.
That song kind of resonated with me that way, that I'll never be gone, I'll never be free as long as your ghost is there.
I somehow took it that way, and I think everybody does that with music.
They put their own little mental print on it, and it means something very special to them.
That sounds like a very acceptable interpretation to me.
Well, it sure was mine at first, and my wife's as well.
And then another surprise came along, and here's where I'm going to pin you down a little bit.
One of my favorite songs of all time, all time, is this one.
It's Sundown.
Let me just play a little bit of it, alright?
Because I really, really want to know what some of this song means.
This and I never even knew it was Gordon.
Boy, was that a surprise.
I can see her lying back in her satin dress In a room where you do what you don't confess
Some down you better take care If I find you been creeping round my back steps
Some down you better take care If I find you been creeping round my back steps
She's been looking like a queen in a sailor's dream And she don't always say what she really means
Sometimes I think it's a shame When I get feeling better when I'm feeling no pain
That'll about do it right there.
Gordon, I listened to that song and loved it as one of my favorites for years, and somehow, no one ever told me it was Gordon Lightfoot.
About two weeks ago, somebody said, that's Gordon Lightfoot.
And I said, what?
Oh, no kidding.
No kidding.
No kidding.
So I want to know a little bit about this song.
Now, Sundown, you better not come creeping around.
What does that mean, please?
You know, I lived through a time when infidelity was a problem in my life.
It was just there and it was just that period of time.
The marriage had ended and I was on my own and I was finding out what it was like to See how the shoe fits on the other foot and finding out that it could be reciprocal on the part of the woman as well.
She looked like a queen in a sailor's dream.
There's some infidelity going on and you don't want it to happen because it's making you feel bad.
You know that it's going on.
i guess uh... issuing uh...
uh... you know or it is just to stay out of my territory to some to someone
all-out with her actually picking up the you know
without picking up a gun and going into the end of the second
Oh, I do know.
Believe me, I do know.
know.
But it was starting to catch up with me, I think, at that point.
I had a puzzle with that too, but I got that one covered by 1982.
It was starting to catch up with me, I think, at that point.
You were mixing it up in Sundown with the rest of it.
You could see how that would be connected in your head?
Yeah.
Is that right?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, then I get it.
I was living on a farm as well at the time, and every night there was a glorious sunset out to the west of the farm.
That entered into the picture, too.
Do you ever wonder, Gordon, where it comes from?
You know, all I know is I wrote the first one at 17 in grade 12 in high school and I kept writing them from that point on.
I was a singer.
I was wise enough to realize that if I wrote my own songs I'd be in much better shape all around.
I seemed to have the capability of doing it.
You do, but again...
Diligently for about ten years before anything really took place.
Still and all though, here you are today, top of the heap, and so when I say, you ever wonder where it comes from?
I mean, the talent, the inherent ability, the God's gift, whatever it is you call it, you ever wonder?
It really was the parental support, without a doubt, in my case.
Finding out that I was able to carry a tune when I was very, very small was all it took to get my mother motivated.
But Gordon, there's a lot of people that can carry a tune.
And she did it in a gentle way, too.
That's the nice part about it.
Another genius was, in my opinion, John Lennon, who wrote and wrote and wrote.
There are only a few people Like you, Gordon, there aren't many.
Maybe you don't see it that way, but there aren't many of you out there, and so where does this come from?
Maybe it's just that it helps to pay the bills.
Maybe it was the recording contracts, because when I started to get recording contracts, I said, now I have a contract, now I must.
I must produce, and I would just knuckle down and just get to it.
The method was fairly straight ahead, you know, just basic musical theory and the melody and the chords and the lyrics, and it's just that simple.
You can't even really classify yourself, can you?
In other words, you're not exactly folk, you're not exactly adult contemporary, or what we call that down here.
You're sort of all over the place?
Yeah, singer-songwriter.
Adult contemporary usually is what the agency would refer to it as.
I think Willie Nelson is adult contemporary too, more than he is country.
Yeah, I spent five hours interviewing Willie.
He's really something else.
That guy is something else.
Do you know Willie?
I've never met him, but I know some of the mutual friends.
I know Chris quite well.
You have some mutual experiences as well, incidentally.
Yeah.
Do you ever tell you the story about the time that he was in the bus, and he travels in a bus everywhere, I think.
A lady friend of his caught him doing something he shouldn't be doing, tied him to the bed and beat him with a broom.
No, no.
He was fast asleep and she came in time to the bed and beat the hell out of him with
a broom.
Oh, that is a wonderful story.
A lot of artists go through some pretty tough times.
I sometimes wonder about the people that get hurt along the way, too.
It seems like that brings out the best in them.
Why is it that we have to have these tough times to have the inspiration for the greatness?
Why would that be?
I don't know.
I sometimes wonder about the people that get hurt along the way, too.
That bothers me because I have a conscience about that.
I know.
Well, I guess you have to remember that none of us here are perfect.
I've been far less than perfect myself.
I have a lot of stuff I could think over the years about that I could sure be guilty about if I had to review my life.
I don't think I'd like that.
Well, I try to keep up my family responsibility to the letter.
I really do.
Do you... another great Canadian singer that I play a lot of here is Lorena McKenna.
Yeah?
Any comments on her work?
I've heard them, but they were sort of... they kind of came and went.
I saw them... I know who you mean.
I've seen them perform too.
Loreen is really an awesome artist.
She has a great range of voice and I got to see her in concert actually up in Western Canada.
Really something else.
So you spend a lot of time with your family?
Yeah, I mean it's like I take the family life seriously and I take all my kids seriously.
I'm in my second marriage now and I take it very seriously.
Are you straight with your children?
Oh yeah, I'm straight all around and I get a chance to play.
I can play.
The very last thing I do every night when I'm on the road is I call Liz on the telephone.
Things like that.
She knows.
They worry.
They worry about us when we're out there.
A long time ago they had every right to.
I guess.
But it's different now.
It's the work and it's the concentration and the results are what really fascinates me.
I'm really getting good results and I love to play live anyway and it is my forte after
all.
All right.
Now there's a question I want to ask.
You play live, both in Canada and the U.S., right?
Yes, we do.
Well, there's a pretty big difference between the demeanor of Canadians and the demeanor of Americans.
Canadians are so ever well behaved at a concert.
I mean, they just are so well behaved.
And that in comparison to And respectful.
I mean, they will clap, but the audiences in Canada are so respectful, and down here in the U.S., they tend to be a lot more boisterous, don't they?
Well, in some places, but we're always able to quiet them down somehow.
I don't know what causes this, but... Well, when you start singing, they'll get... Moreover to that, too, I think that they're...
The response is the same.
I feel the same kind of response in Canada as I do down in the States.
When I'm up there, it's the same.
Well, it's just that Canadian audiences tend to be sort of more laid back.
I mean, Canadians in general, do you think this is true or kind of more laid back in their attitude?
Oh, I don't know.
I don't think about it much.
We're sort of in this together.
That's the way I look at it, you know?
We absolutely are.
It's like the upper North American continent here.
Yeah, do you worry while we're on that subject?
We are all in this together, and I have a lot of concerns about the environment, Gordon.
It's like we're really screwing things up.
I had some involvement with David Suzuki for a while.
I was kind of afraid, and then I started thinking about the meat and potatoes aspect of this thing.
If we don't work and do things and cause waste, how are we going to put the meat and potatoes on the table?
We can't.
You can't?
But then again, on the other side of the coin, I'm sure because of what you do, you've done a lot of travel.
You've probably been all over the world.
Well, not quite, but I've been to a lot of parts of it, right?
You know, in third world countries, they want what we have, and nobody in the world could blame them for that.
They want what we've got.
They want a couple of cars, they want a nice house, they want to be comfortable, and all the rest of that, and yet if they get it, I'm not sure the planet can sustain it.
It's a tough problem.
It's been here for five billion years, or what is it, four and a half billion years?
So they say, yes indeed.
You wrote for Barbara Streisand.
She did a wonderful job on If You Could Read My Mind.
Just a real fine job.
A lot of respect for her.
She's an amazing person.
She's a big perfectionist, isn't she?
Well, there again, I did not get the opportunity to meet with her.
I got to meet with some of the other artists.
I got to meet with Mr. Sinatra at one point.
What happened, he did, if you could read my mind, he threw it on the floor.
He threw it on the floor and he said, I can't sing this.
Really?
Yeah, it was related to me by the engineer.
The next day I was quite amused.
I thought it was great.
He also said, I can't do this.
And he threw it on the floor.
He didn't say why?
He said, I can't sing this.
So, you know, you have a 35-piece orchestra and everything sitting there.
I was not there for that.
I got there the next night and he was doing Stevie Wonder's You Are the Sunshine of My Life.
Really?
I loved it.
I thought he was doing a great job on it and they finished that one, but then I don't think it appeared on the album.
Why do you think he couldn't have done or felt he couldn't do that song?
Why do you think?
I beg your pardon?
Why do you think he thought he couldn't do it or said he couldn't do it?
Maybe it was the way the melody moved.
Maybe it was the key.
I don't know.
Maybe he just didn't feel comfortable with it.
And I always thought he could have done anything.
Well, he did a lot of great work.
Being with Reprise...
Actually was associated with Sinatra because he was one of the owners of that record company.
He was an amazing man.
I've seen a lot of movies about Frank and the Rat Pack and all the rest of them.
That was quite a thing down here just across the hill from me in Las Vegas.
Well, I cannot... I wish we had more time.
Is there anything... You know, they're listening all across Canada now and all across the U.S.
as well.
Is there anything you want to tell all those folks out there?
Well, I just, you know, be well.
Just be well.
You're going to just keep turning them out then, huh?
I'm going to try.
I'm going to keep on playing as long as, you know, it's humanly possible because I love to play.
I don't see why I should not.
Just one more question.
When you write a song, Do you ever know it's going to be a hit?
I mean, before it ever gets to the record company, before you ever record it, I mean, you just know?
I felt that way about the song, Sundown.
I felt that it had the beat and the pulse, you know, that it had a pretty good chance.
Yeah, and then it had your life behind it, too.
Everything else was a surprise.
Gordon, thank you.
And good night from the high desert.
Thank you Art, it's been, or shall I say Mr. Bell, it has been a pleasure.
Alright, let's say it for goodnight.
I can see her lying back in her satin dress, in a room where you do what you don't confess.
Some man you better take in, with that man you've been creeping round my back.
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Good morning, everybody. Last hour, we interviewed Gordon Lightfoot. I'm Gordon Lightfoot. I'm
I mentioned this lady to him, Lorena McKennett, whose songs I'm in love with, as well as Gordon's.
And his comment was, well, you know, she was there and then kind of gone.
And I thought about that, and you know, he's right.
Ramona and myself were honored to go to a Lorena McKennett concert in Vancouver, British Columbia.
And that's where my comments about Canadian audiences came from.
They were very respectful and clapped as you would at a perhaps a An opera or something.
I mean, very staid.
But her music was just incredibly good.
And we saw her at the end of that tour.
And so, Gordon Lightfoot's comment makes some sense.
She really has not resurfaced.
And she's probably recharging batteries.
I know she went off to do that for a while.
But I did expect her back by now.
So, Gordon Lightfoot's comment was very interesting.
Alright, coming up now in a moment is Paul Stonehill.
Who is a Soviet-born researcher of anomalous phenomena, a Soviet-born researcher, an independent consultant, lecturer and writer, has lived here in the U.S.
since 1973 after immigrating from Soviet Ukraine.
Paul has created the Russian Ufology Research Center, the subject of a special article in Omni magazine.
The October 93 issue, if you want to look it up.
In 91, after years of intense research into the forbidden subject, the Soviet government had banned public discussion of UFOs until 1989, while its intelligence agencies and secret military research bureaus had been collecting data, files, and physical clues since 1917.
Wow!
The Center has served as a bridge for the Russian CIS scientists, researchers, ufologists, and military personnel who want to share information about the past and present surge of anomalous phenomena.
Most of the information has never reached the West before.
The Center also helps investigate hoaxes and planted disinformation.
A collection of Paul Stonehill's articles and lectures On the subject was published as a book in Moscow in 1992.
This is going to be a very, very interesting man to talk to.
He graduated from CSUN in 1983, a BA in Political Science, later a freelance journalist.
Paul had covered military conflicts in the 1980s, Middle East and South Africa.
He's also written extensively about Soviet espionage, covert actions, and Russian history.
Well, this is going to be really interesting.
Presently, his main areas of research are Russian and Chinese interests in anomalous phenomena and related areas, specifically military studies of UFOs, psychotronics, naval intelligence studies of UFOs, unidentified Underwater Objects, Space Defense Programs, Covert Operations, and Cryptozoology.
That's one to throw in there at the end.
In a moment, Paul Stonehill.
All right!
Now, here's Paul Stonehill.
Paul, welcome to the program.
Well, Paul's not there.
haha uh... good old phone company
it's unbelievable to me that this can happen this frequently uh... but obviously
the phone company has done us in so i will take
the measure of injecting uh... one additional word for you
which you can all hear now get paul and will be right back
well right now i think we have also no Paul, welcome.
Thank you.
Glad to have you on the program.
I'm glad too.
So, I read about you here, and you came out of the Soviet Union.
Immigrating from the Soviet Union then wasn't so easy, was it?
No, it was quite difficult, actually.
What kind of hoops did you have to jump through to get out of there?
The Soviet government let out a number of different nationalities because of pressure from the West.
Jews and some other, like ethnic Germans.
So we were able to go through the net, so to say, because my father was not by any means a high official or anyone with secrets who could threaten the Soviet Union.
So we were quite lucky to get out.
Why did your father want to leave?
Because the Soviet system was corrupt, and we had nothing facing us except poverty, grief, and, you know, other beauties of Soviet socialism.
When you left the Soviet Union, how old were you?
I was 13. 13?
They sent me, you know, the little press release with your information on it, and on the left it says Paul Stonehill, and on the right it says something in Russian that I can't read.
Well, what it is is how my name would sound in Russian.
Uh-huh.
It couldn't be Paul Stonehill, could it?
Well, it wasn't Stonehill before, it was something else, but Pavel Borisovich means Paul, son of Boris.
Son of Boris?
Uh-huh.
Um, I've got, I don't know, a million things I want to ask you, but let me first ask you about something that's really worrisome to a lot of us right now.
You know, the Chechen War looked like it was over, and then the bombs began to go off in Moscow, and now it looks like there may be a new Chechen War all over again.
It's so dangerous, Paul.
You know, the Soviet Well, the Russian Army embarrassed itself terribly, of course, in the first war.
Now it looks like it's not going to stop.
Do you have any views on what's going on over there right now?
I don't think that the Russian Army will stop because, like you said, they embarrassed themselves and they have to show to the peoples of the South Russia and the Caucasus Mountains region that they can strike back.
They can keep control.
It's very important.
Otherwise, Russia will start falling apart.
There are a lot of people who think that process is already well underway.
I agree.
Unfortunately, I think Russia is falling.
It's lost all control over it.
And Yeltsin is just a figurehead.
And regional governors are exercising more and more control.
Up to the point that they have their own, so to say, adopted armed units of the Russian Army.
When I got to go, a couple of years ago, I was in Moscow, and I got to actually eat lunch in the Kremlin, inside the Kremlin, and I really observed a bunch of wild things about Russia.
It seems like the the mafia there that you know the gangsters
are assuming control of your country
of russia that is uh... and uh...
i also felt even though supposedly everything today is so open and so
different that we were watched every single minute we were there
i think that under yeltsin yeltsin is surrounded by more
uh... police agents and bodyguards and uh...
so-called pretorial guard than brezhnev let's say would ever be
uh... the security apparatus has grown tremendously he has his own private army
so to say and paratroopers
in moscow who will protect him from any uprising that there can be
much more severe than during the soviet times And so he doesn't want what happened to Gorbachev to happen to him?
No, Gorbachev's problem was that he did not have enough cajones, as they say in Spanish, to get rid of Yeltsin and the other two conspirators and keep the Soviet Union intact on the way to democracy through slow reforms.
There were two things that amazed me about Russia.
One was I was standing in Red Square and we heard a big BOOM noise and we were told after we left that that was an assassination attempt.
A little bomb had gone off and somebody thought they had blown up Yeltsin but he was not where the bomb was.
But we actually heard that in Red Square.
Later they tried to Kill Yeltsin.
So he's got a lot of enemies there I guess, huh?
He's got a lot of enemies.
But one thing I see, the more anarchy there is in Russia, the more behind-the-scenes control is being exercised.
Now, that's exactly right.
Everything is very strictly controlled, and the American people have this idea that Russia is now a young America where freedom reigns and, you know, freedom of speech and all kinds of freedoms reign.
It's not necessarily true, is it?
No, it's not.
Russia is very much cursioned by American money for a while, but that's about it.
you know accepted from the united states there is a lot of uh... dislike of the united states
because of what happened in yugoslavia
and uh... there's a lot of and the today and those and actually a lot of uh...
frustration because people instead of freedom
they had received fake capitalism
as they see it fake capitalism not default of the united states
but so much has been promised to them by so...
And it's not happening as it should over there fast enough.
tourism fault you know they expected to just walk into
prosperity and uh... well
as we have in the united states but it doesn't happen overnight
no it doesn't and uh... it's not
happening uh... as it should uh... over there fast enough what do you think will happen
i think that there will be uh...
cover of power by someone like general lebed Oh boy!
Yes, yes.
It's coming that way.
You mean the General Lebed who would like to have Alaska back?
Yes, absolutely.
And he may not be the most radical person in today's Russia.
There are so many radical movements who are being used by their secret services and opportunists like Lebed.
And so, in other words, it could be somebody even worse than Leavitt?
Yes.
By no means, he's not the worst one.
Oh, you know what?
I don't think I meant Leavitt.
He's not the one that wants Alaska.
Thank you very much.
Aronofsky is one.
Well, that clown will not take it.
He has no power among the military.
Yeah, I had that all wrong.
Now, if it's Leavitt, who is not nearly as bad as Aronofsky, but no angel either, what would you expect?
I would expect that there will be a military dictatorship over Russia, supported by people who are tired of anarchy and gangsters over them.
In other words, bring back the iron fist.
Absolutely, bring back the control.
And of course, to make it easy, there will be threats to the West.
And it makes it easy, because people don't have to work To improve themselves, all they can look forward to is getting things out from the West.
Look, it's happening today.
Even Ukraine, actually my native land, even Ukraine today gets things out from the West just by simply threatening to turn back the Chernobyl power station.
And it's working out.
Russia is doing the same with nuclear weapons.
I'm sure behind the scenes they can Tell our government, look, if we don't get this and that IMF loans, we may as well start selling nuclear weapons to such and such states.
So we're being blackmailed?
Absolutely.
It's my humble opinion, but I think that's what's happening.
I share your humble opinion, because without nuclear weapons, Russia right now would be just down in the The basket with other third world nations, wouldn't it?
Absolutely.
But given victory in Chechnya, in the Chechen War, Russian military will want to show the world that it's still, you know, a force to reckon with.
And so much money is being spent today on the military that they will want more and they will need more victories.
Well, if they're spending so much on the military, how come they're not paying their Military members, I mean, they're taking second jobs, they're virtually on welfare and in the black market so they can survive day-to-day.
How do you maintain a military that way?
Russia is a very strange planet to look at, because whatever money is being spent on the military ends up in the pockets of functionaries and bureaucrats and finds its way to the West, to Switzerland, I know.
to their own private account it's true that the soldiers uh... you know if you very
little you know putrid uh... fish
and uh...
stale water stale bread
while dollars and rubles you know and up somewhere else
this is russia today and our government knows it
and yet the russia keeps getting i m f loans
there are some millionaires from this strange capitalism in russia right now
Oh, you can see them here.
Yeah, if the iron hand comes back, what happens to the millionaires?
They will be taken care of.
Whatever wealth they have in Russia will be nationalized, and some scores of them will be executed, maybe public executions, because, after all, they stole from Mother Russia and from the people.
After the euphoria will subside, the reality will dawn that basically Russia is in shambles, falling apart, and the future is very, very bleak.
Much worse than it was back in 1988-89.
Well, now you're just really scaring the hell out of me.
All right.
Paul, hold on.
We're going to a break here at the bottom of the hour.
And we'll be right back.
Okay, I'm here.
All right, good.
Stay there.
Don't hang up, no matter what you do.
Don't hang up.
Well, great.
And unfortunately, I think he's exactly correct.
That's the way it's headed.
The question is what it's going to be like on the other end for us, our relationship with the new Soviet Union.
Is that what we have to think about?
Well I think it's time to get ready To realize just what I have found
I have been only half of what I am It's all clear to me now
My heart is on fire It's only day day, it's the only day day
Where would I be without my world?
you Good morning, everybody.
Paul Stonehill is here, and we're gonna get to UFOs and the paranormal, but... I don't know.
This stuff is even scarier.
And here, I thought it was safe to come out of the fallout shelter.
We'll be right back.
You know what happens, he continues, to people who don't have guns?
Remember Tiananmen Square?
Chinese didn't have guns.
Chinese government had tanks.
And that's what happens to people who don't have guns.
You might say, well, what good guns against tanks?
Well, I don't know.
If you give up your guns, expect anything.
That would be my point of view.
Paul, welcome back.
Thank you.
There are rumors, lots and lots of rumors, that some of the suitcase nuclear devices the Soviet Union had are already out of the country, have been sold, and may be in the hands of Iran or Iraq or God knows who.
What do you think about that?
Well, not just rumors.
General Lebed himself said so on one of the American news I would say about two years ago.
About two years ago, yes, he was here in the United States.
I think that it's a danger that our government recognizes.
Maybe this is one of the reasons that the FBI is trying to help Russia hunt down those terrorists who had put bombs inside apartment buildings.
Yes.
And there may be more that we know very little about.
I know our FBI is over there helping.
I find that a remarkable thing, considering the FBI is a domestic enforcement agency.
You know, it's supposed to be just here in the U.S.
Yes.
Also, I'm sure CIA has agents throughout the former Soviet Union, because there's a power struggle underway in Azerbaijan to, you know, who would control the oil routes in Kazakhstan.
Yes.
Plus they have to check Russia's influence in the area.
So we're back to the great game.
Back to the great game.
Well, again, if we get Levin and we get the iron hand, what do you think would happen to Russia's foreign policy?
Internally, yeah, they'd clamp down and sort of do it China.
Where the economy of China right now is managing to crank up their economy, but they've still got a really hardcore communist political system.
There's no question about that.
I was there too, I know.
And so, do you think that's what Russia would do?
They'd try to keep some form of capitalism and international trade alive while clamping down internally, or what?
Yeah, what I'm afraid about is whenever somebody like General Lebed will take power, he will need brains behind him.
And the brains will be Primakov, that old KGB gentleman, I can't call him gentleman, Sly Fox, who basically is the moving force behind the new Russian foreign policy.
And he is the one that is pushing the axis, Russia, China, India.
When I was in Russia, I sensed that the Russians were really, really a very proud people, very technologically competent, and very paranoid.
russian private west when i was in russia i sense that the russians were really
really very proud very technologically competent
uh... and very paranoid
is that still true well it's true in
paranoid because they had seen recently an example of uh... western
weapons being used against them and their allies as for in yugoslavia
All right.
As for technological savvy, listen, some of the best computer programmers in the United States are new immigrants from Russia.
They're being, not even immigrants, they're being brought here by Microsoft and other You know, Silicon Valley enterprises.
So I have very much respect for Russian science and technology.
And I gotta tell you, after about eight or nine years of stagnation, again, Russia's science is on the upswing.
They're getting money.
They're getting money from the state and from people like George Soros.
So there's a lot of development going on.
What shape the development will take?
I'm afraid it will go more towards military.
Well, you know, that's true here, too.
Absolutely.
It's true here, too.
We have more black projects and black project money than you could ever imagine.
And it's just incredible what goes on here in secret.
I mean, the amount of money that is Given out to certain projects in secret, and I guess that goes on in both countries.
But to see us headed back, you know, to the brink of Armageddon again, that's pretty sad.
I mean, I remember as a child, when I was your age, around 13, 12, 13, even 11, in school, you know, we were all hiding under our desks.
Wondering about an attack from the Soviet Union and the end of the world.
And if I listen to you correctly, you're really saying it could go back there again?
It could.
There was much more control when the Soviet Union was a great power because it was centralized and everything was checked.
Now, Yeltsin has a check over his army, for example.
Under control, but not localized units.
And if somebody goes crazy and reaches for the button, there's no way to stop him.
There are no military, you know, commissars over him or her.
And again, people did not starve in the Soviet Army.
There were a lot of other crimes committed against them, but soldiers did not starve and had no reason to go wild like that young gentleman about a year ago.
No, I don't.
Well, it happened aboard one of the nuclear submarines when a young soldier went berserk and he was armed and he basically threatened to blow up the ship.
Thank God that he talked more than he did and a sniper was able to kill him.
But the problem is that it's only one of many incidents For example, I found out very strange that few people in the United States knew about an incident that happened some years ago over Siberia, where during a test flight of one of their new aircrafts and shooting of missiles, one of the missiles missed
and landed about a kilometer and a half away from the nuclear power station
oh my god so they said you know there was a rumor that the pilot was actually
drunk or maybe did not have enough food or you know incidents like this take place and we don't
find out about them
for a long time i never heard that
that i that actually i would say about three years ago
Of course, we all know about Chernobyl, and I've seen a lot of kind of interesting stories on, I don't know, 16 Minutes and some of the other programs about the status of Chernobyl, and it's like it's covered up, but it's all decaying and coming apart, and they say that the containment they have it in May not last.
Do you hear those things?
Yes.
Yes, and Ukraine keeps asking for more money, and they will get it from the West.
How they will be spent, I don't know, but it is true that, yes, the sarcophagus, I believe they call it, is just splittering apart.
Splitting apart, yeah, the sarcophagus is splitting apart, that's right.
And it's not a very safe situation.
God only knows the effects of Chernobyl.
on European people and beyond that.
God only knows, because we're not being told all the facts.
No, I know.
Do you think that that accident modified Russian policy, nuclear policy, changed anything at all?
I mean, here comes Y2K, for example, and the Russians have said they're going to wait and see what happens and then fix it, you know, if they see there's a problem.
That worries me.
I can tell you something.
I spoke to a lady about four months ago.
She just came over from Kamchatka, one of Russia's faraway lands.
And they had a powerful military unit stationed at Kamchatka.
So I was telling her, look, I'm sure Russia will do something about Y2K.
And she said, what are you talking about?
I was at one.
I quite often used to go to one of the military units.
I brought over potatoes.
I exchanged for other things there.
And she says that whatever computers they have are stained with vodka stains.
and he boards and she said, Paul, don't be naive.
Nobody cares.
Nobody knows about it.
People think how to survive, what to sell.
I'm sorry, but that's how it is.
And here, we're going to get to UFOs and the paranormal, but this is scaring me more.
So, vodka stains on the computers and the keyboards and... Well, ABC News today carried an excellent story about how Russia is not prepared for Y2K and how we are going to help them.
$50 million worth of equipment just for the basic control over military units and some of the communications.
In case of a false alarm, so no one pushes a button?
Yes.
Yes, so I've heard.
The rocket forces and the nuclear forces in Russia are still under very much centralized control, aren't they?
And let's pray they will be.
I'm sure they are still under centralized control.
They always were.
I mean, our submarine commanders, for example, had independent authority to do what they had to do under certain circumstances.
Soviet submarine commanders never had that, and I don't think they do today.
It was all very centralized, and you think it still is?
Pretty much.
Absolutely.
Good.
Whatever submarines are out there, yeah.
I guess that's good, unless it's Leavitt and then...
Oh, maybe somebody worse than Levitt.
Oh, worse than Levitt.
Absolutely.
Have you been back?
No.
No.
And if I do go back, it will have to be Ukraine, not Russia.
Because I do so much research, and I'm not hesitant to publish it here, I don't think it will be safe for me to go back to Russia.
Not safe.
No, not safe.
I've told this story before, but you might be interested, with a group that I went to Russia with, to Moscow.
uh... we had one really nice fellow who came along with us and he was uh... blind not sighted and uh... he would carry a video recorder with him uh... only to record the sounds uh... obviously uh... for himself because he couldn't see anything so he would just carry the video recorder in his arms and he was on a moscow street and he was passing a factory uh... where people were going inside and showing identification to a guard as they went inside And this man, this young man, and his mother were both arrested and questioned for hours and hours and hours.
They almost missed the airplane getting out of Moscow because they were questioned for so many hours.
They almost didn't let him go.
It was just because he walked by a factory where people were showing IDs with a camera.
That's it.
He was arrested.
So the secret boxes still exist.
That's what the Soviet people used to call secret military institutions, where research, you know, top secret research was taking place.
I'm sure, I'm sure they still exist.
And especially in the area of the Ural Mountains.
A lot of strange things are taking place.
And the research goes on.
Look, Russian airplanes are quite well.
They're not worse than American airplanes today, military aircraft.
Well, military aircraft, yes.
I must tell you, I flew internally inside Russia in Aeroflot.
Brave man you are.
It scared the hell out of me.
I mean, I have never in my... We were... the seats in the Aeroflot aircraft, for example, my wife was laughing about something and she pounded the seat in front of her and the person in front of her collapsed because the seat just went forward.
You know, they go either way.
They just flop back and forth and When you went into the bathroom on the aircraft, it was all sticky, you know?
Your shoes were sticking to the floor, and the way the pilot flew the... Oh, yeah, and then I got off the aircraft, and I looked at the tires, and they had holes in them.
I could see the tread.
I took pictures of it, as a matter of fact, put it on my website.
I have never taken a scarier flight in my life.
I imagine, you know, it's very easy to bite off the No, I was an uninformed man.
And when I finally got off the aircraft in Moscow and I looked around, then I was not brave.
I was just plain scared because I was thinking about having to fly back.
Anyway, so much for all of that.
We have You know, I'm here in the desert.
I'm 65 miles west of Las Vegas, Nevada.
And just over the mountain from me, we have Area 51.
And I'm sure you know all about Area 51, or at least its reputation.
I would assume that in the former Soviet Union, they have the equivalent of our Area 51, or perhaps many of them.
I don't know.
What do you know?
They had several, and still have several, areas where interesting research takes place.
I mentioned, for example, the far east of the Soviet Union.
In my book, The Soviet UFO Files, I go into description of several such areas.
The most interesting thing is that, yes, they exist, yes, Something is being done in those areas and we still don't have the complete information but I must tell you that a lot of the information about such areas leaked out between 1989 and 1992.
After that, that secrecy and those who had tried to study military research of UFOs in today's Russia Had suffered.
Some were killed, some were maimed, and some just stopped and dropped out of sight.
Why do you think there was a period of time of openness and then it closed down again?
I understand the openness, I don't understand why it closed down again, do you?
Well, first of all, it closed down again because I think they realized the value of what they have.
That's number one.
Meaning Russians and their secret research of UFOs.
Meaning by military forces and by secret service.
The openness, thank God, we had that period where we could get things out.
We were not the only ones.
The Chinese were quite interested and CIA was interested in joint Russian-Chinese research.
And of course, our own intelligence agencies were quite interested in obtaining information.
How much do you think we really got out?
In other words, our government, I presume, probably got some information that we don't know about that came out of Russia.
Would that be reasonable to suspect?
I think our government has got its hands on Stalin's Roswell files.
I'm positive about it because we, myself and Dr. Haynes of NASA, tried to get information from Russia about... Roswell?
Yes, what happened back in 1940s, early 1950s... Wait, wait, Paul, this is a perfect place to hang everybody up.
We're up here at the top of the hour, so... Okay.
That's amazing!
We'll talk about that when we get back.
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of god well paul stonehill is here
he's an immigrant from the former soviet union you've got to sit down for a minute and contemplate what we
were talking about just before the break
Thank you.
And that is that we went to the former Soviet Union during that brief period of years when the information did get out to get information about Roswell.
You know?
Roswell, New Mexico?
USA?
I mean, you've got to give that a little bit of thought.
thought we're gonna ask about that when we once again uh... here is paul stonehill and i i i was
thinking about that during the break
that we would go to the former soviet union to get information on something
that happened in roswell new mexico here in the united states of america
and a And you know, our current president,
It's said that when he got into office, and I think we know this to be true, President Clinton said he wanted to know about two things.
The assassination of John Kennedy, and whether we had any secret files or information, and about UFOs.
He wanted to know about those two things, and as best as I know, he's not satisfied on either count.
So what could the Russians have known about Roswell?
Well, what the Russians knew, what the Soviet dictator Stalin knew, was contained in a pile of documents that he had shown to top Soviet scientists and academicians.
Among them, Sergei Korolev, father of the Soviet space science, former prisoner of a concentration camp, and somebody who had actually, later in his life, witnessed a very strange UFO.
There's more to the story.
What our president may not know is that I think we also got out from Russia findings of the Beria expedition to the Donetsk site.
The Donetsk now, 1908, very, very unusual explosion.
Yes.
Now, Korolev was given an access to the documents and he was also given an interpreter Or two and three days to go through the documents and give Stalin his opinion on what UFOs are and whether they, these objects, threaten the Soviet Union's security.
And he could not take a step out from the rooms he was given at the Kremlin.
He went through the documents and his assessment was that yes, UFOs exist and no, they do not They do not present any immediate danger to the Soviet Union.
But I might repeat, Roswell documents, as far as we know, were among that pile that has disappeared.
I think that because we, meaning the United States, were able to get our hands on such documents, the United States Air Force was able to issue, in 1994, its very Very funny, I should say, assessment of Roswell.
They knew that no one else has those documents.
No one else will challenge them.
You're right.
It was funny.
It was funny and pathetic.
There is more to this story.
After Korolev visited Stalin and went through these documents, all of a sudden he became an ardent supporter of a theory that the Tunguska phenomenon was actually an explosion of an alien spaceship.
So he also sent an expedition to the site.
But we need to understand that Soviet secret police, the KGB, under Beria, sent a more secret expedition back in 1949 to the site.
And whatever they found never became public.
Oh?
And I think, I'm also of the opinion that the United States intelligence service must have gotten this information out from Russia.
Unfortunately, one of those who came up with the idea that this was an alien spaceship, this gentleman, his name was Zolotov, was murdered in 1995.
Murdered?
Yes.
Do you know, or think you know, any details of what they believe occurred at Tunguska, and why they believe it?
There are very different ideas.
What interests me is that a number of scientists and military people strongly believe that what happened, it was an actual explosion of an alien spaceship.
I understand.
And if they have any evidence of that, physical evidence of that, then Then one might imagine they shared that information at some point with our government, and our government shared information with the Soviet government on this very subject.
I wonder what we imagine they might have communicated to each other.
That's interesting.
I also need to tell you that our government, whatever communications have been going, and I'm sure there was a joint research, I have no doubts about it, At the same time, the CIA was very much interested in Soviet UFOlogy, UFO reports and such information.
That's coming through declassified files of the CIA that I went through.
And I must tell you that they knew much more than we can even guess now.
What classified files did you go through?
I went through declassified, not classified, but actually declassified.
Most of the files of the CIA, most of them curiously were declassified on November 16, 1978 and that tells me something that they, meaning the CIA, must have received, must have gotten their hands on very interesting information before that to allow them to declassify fascinating information.
For example, one of the files mentions that In 1972, there was a commission created by the Soviets to study UFOs.
I know about several such research committees, but none that would have been created back in 1972.
1978, as a matter of fact.
1979, yes.
But not 1972.
1978 as a matter of fact, 1979 yes, but not 1972.
Also, you need to know that back in 1952, the CIA actually asked all field stations
to gather information about any hint, any mention of UFOs in Soviet media.
There was much more.
The information, you know, for example, let's go in 1989, 1990, the CIA sent a special team to the Soviet Ukraine, to the Academy of Sciences, To feel, to find out information from scientists about various research and to assess their interest in UFOs.
And of course Ukrainian scientists told them that yes, we believe something is happening and quite a number of us want to find out what is the nature of UFOs.
You know, they were not, unlike many scientists here, there was a serious research No, serious interest towards UFOs.
Well, maybe you can help me with this.
At the completion of our investigation in the United States of Project Blue, the now famous or infamous Project Blue Book, the conclusion at the end was that they may exist, and some of the reports remained unexplained.
However, there was no threat to U.S.
national security.
And that sounds just like what you said.
Yes.
Yes.
What interests me primarily is not so much even as scientific research, it does, but military scientific research.
Because military researchers and naval researchers were basically given the task to Touch UFOs, to feel them, to find out what they are.
There wasn't even a question whether they exist or not.
Of course they exist.
Of course we have something in our hands.
Of course we have, you know, collected pieces of something that crashed.
Now, we need to find out whether more of them will come back.
So then, the American statement and the Russian statement are American and Russian BS.
Baloney.
Because there's no way things can be flying in our sky and over our missile silos in the U.S.
We have many stories about that confirmed.
And I saw a 2020 report, by the way, on a Russian missile silo in which a disc hovered over and actually began to send the missile into a launch sequence.
And the story goes, and they told it on 2020, that afterwards they disassembled the entire control panel, ripped everything apart, all the wiring, Nothing was wrong, but there was a disc hovering over this site.
Have you heard that story?
Absolutely, and more.
I have a chapter in my book called UFOs over Soviet nuclear installations.
Yes.
And I go into details, names and dates, but I need just to let you know that the Soviet High Command, for example, had issued an order several times, not only once, to stop shooting at UFOs.
That no military unit was to shoot You know, Russians were quite afraid of military acting berserk and shooting at UFOs.
uh... and you know whatever the aim of the ufo's might have been
they had proven themselves to be peaceful and uh... that's
you know this is at one russians were quite afraid of uh... you know military
acting berserk and shooting at ufo's it happened on some occasions
with very sad results for soviet aircraft but there was something else that's interesting that uh...
very few people know
Back in 1973, over the Institute for Nuclear Research in Dubna, this is one of the most secret Soviet locations, there was a UFO.
It came from nowhere, right above one of the most secret installations in Dubna, and stood, you know, and hovered above for a number of hours.
Hours?
So there was a general in charge, a military general, and he panicked, and he called Moscow, and he says, you know, there's this metallic apparatus of unknown origin, and it's immovable in the air, and what the hell do we do?
He demanded instructions.
And Moscow, of course, Moscow, you know, replied that, we control the situation, don't worry those who are authorized controllers.
They controlled nothing.
The UFOs, you know, took whatever, I guess, observations that they had to, and It took whatever information it had and just went away.
And, you know, scientists came out and they jeered and they looked at it and... Just one example.
Well then, then, my God, then perhaps you can help me out with the definition of national security there or here.
National security is to, I guess, to be sane as much as possible and to hold on to reality as much as possible and hide As much as possible.
Because we cannot explain what the hell is buzzing over us.
well see that's a thing we all think about here in america we think
that our government knows about these things they of course no you said it
yourself they know but as so then we wonder
well then why don't they tell us and one of the reasons that we think
they don't tell us is because
they have no control at all
over these things and uh... since they have no control
uh... uh... they they they governments love secrets and uh...
they would not admit to us that something is flying above us uh...
about which we have no control is
It's, you know, the situation in Russia.
While the Soviet Union was a great power, you could, you know, actually you could get more information out of the Soviet Union than you could, than you can from the United States.
Although it was a superpower, it had a lot of holes.
I know because I collected a lot of this information.
So you could find out that there was a very intensive naval research of UFOs and underground objects.
I, you know, I come from a naval family, Soviet naval family.
Do you mean underground or underwater?
Underwater.
Underwater.
I've heard many stories of very large things moving very fast underwater, detected by, you know, our saucers and our submarines and so forth and so on.
You've heard that too?
Well, absolutely.
I published it.
Again, it's in my book and also other articles I've published.
I can tell you names.
I can tell you dates.
What I find interesting is towards the end of 1970s, the counterintelligence service of the Soviet naval forces had collected so many reports that they had to actually spend a lot of money just to study the reports and to send operatives into field.
And when I mean field, I mean underwater.
Look, Ajaja, one of the most famous Soviet ufologists.
He was burned because he talked too much about UFOs.
So he was threatened and thrown out from his very nice position as a researcher.
So who gave him, who helped him?
He was a submariner before, during the war.
So the naval intelligence gave him a very cozy position and told him, you write monographs for us.
You have to help us study UFOs.
And because of that, some of his naval bodies, like, you know, General...Counter Admiral Ivanov, let him see some of the reports they have and some of the research.
What I find interesting is the presence, throughout Soviet history, of gigantic cylinders that emit lesser-sized UFOs.
Hold it right there, Paul.
We'll be right back.
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Paul, I've talked to a number of members of our Navy, the American Navy, and they have told me stories of things rising up out of the water of immense size and of things moving through the water at immense speeds.
Do you know of any specific incidences that the Soviets were aware of?
Many.
Throughout, let's say in the early 1960s, Lieutenant Commander Oleg Sokolov, during his submarine's navigation, he has observed through a periscope an ascent, you know, rising up of some strange object through the water.
He was not able to operate it, but he does know that the speed was incredible.
Soviet sonar operators, military hydroacoustic technicians, were hearing At great depth, very strange targets.
And the Soviet submarines were being chased by other submarines, except they were gigantic and the speeds were faster than any other similar vessel in the world at that time.
In 1982, there was a very interesting sighting up in the North Russian seas of an object that was about 125 meters in diameter.
Many more.
I can tell you about 1950s around Sevastopol Naval Base.
There is a picture in existence of this incident.
Right behind a Soviet military ship, the battle cruiser, the object sighted was some great ball that just rose from the sea and slowly went up.
1965 Soviet steamship Praduga in the Red Sea was able to Observe also a fiery sphere that dashed out from under the water and just hovered over the surface of the sea.
I mean, others.
So many.
In 1984, there was a very interesting observation in the Mediterranean by a Soviet ship.
You go on and on and on.
But what's interesting is the so-called swimmers.
And I mention them in my book in great detail.
Swimmers.
Swimmers.
What are swimmers?
Gigantic beings.
Gigantic beings that are about, I would say, nine feet tall and swimming at will at the bottoms of Soviet lakes doing something that they need to do.
Humanoid beings that have no aqualangs, no breathing apparatuses.
I never heard of this.
Yeah, I know.
I mean, a few people did, I'm sorry, but in 1982, the Soviet High Command was quite alarmed when there was an incident when they tried to catch such a swimmer, and being clad in silvery suit, call it whatever you want, swimming underwater, and when the hapless Soviet divers were sent to throw a net against it, they were just thrown out at
great speed, velocity, out from the lake, bottom of the lake,
and they died as a result, you know, because they couldn't go through the decompression process.
Names, dates, I all mentioned them in the book, but also, I mean, so much has happened.
And this is, I love this research, because I know that the Navy was quite serious about it.
What is the name of your book, please?
It's called Soviet UFO Files, and it's paranormal encounters behind the Iron Curtain,
and it was published by Quadrillion Publishing back in 1998.
It's available throughout the United States.
Is it in bookstores now?
In bookstores, of course, Amazon.com.
Maybe a cheaper one.
Yup, they give a big discount.
We've got a link right up there for you now.
Thank you.
To your book.
And one more time, the name of the book please.
The Soviet UFO Files Paranormal Encounters Behind the Iron Curtain.
At Paul Stonehill, alright.
Somebody writes, going back for a moment to Tunguska, somebody asks about Tunguska, asks Paul if he's aware of a report that gallium arsenide fragments were found in some of the trees at Tunguska.
Of course now it's used for light emitting diodes, but they found some gallium arsenide in the trees at Tunguska.
Have you heard that?
I've heard about that.
I also heard that they found so much, so many strange things back in the early 1920s that Stalin had to send an expedition, actually a barrier, like I said, a secret expedition to bring back results.
They knew it was a nuclear explosion.
They actually thought it was a thermonuclear explosion and they wanted to know the difference.
And they sent a specialized team.
This is fascinating stuff.
I just got it from Russia.
And I wish we knew more, but again, we don't know what happened to the files.
You need to understand, we talked about something in the beginning, but today in Russia, people are scared to even talk about this, such information.
Going back to naval research, I asked Russian researchers through their website, I asked them if anybody knows what had happened to the files of the Soviet Navy UFO research.
And if yes, all I asked them was to find out what had happened and, if possible, to publish in Russia, of course, any information.
So we all know.
And they told me, they were quite upset, and they said, next time please don't ask such requests, don't put such requests on our website, because we I guess that's true here, too.
One of our congressmen, who has now passed away, Congressman Schiff, New Mexico, he tried, Paul, to get a bunch of documents about Roswell.
And, you know, he was told That they were destroyed.
Just the documents from that period, Paul.
He had enough oomph, you know, to really get an answer, but my God, what an answer!
The documents from that period, just that period, were destroyed.
The difference is, why this reply bothered me, is because in 1989, 1991, I've got so much information out, you know, the Russian Soviet researchers would send it to me and they said, oh no, go ahead and, you know, please publish it.
We're all for exchange.
Everybody was so optimistic about future and exchange of information about UFOs.
For a while.
For a while.
They, you know, they didn't know too much about tabloid, you know, UFOlogy and about this secret, I hate them, this secret, you know, behind the scenes move Yes.
You know, that's what's happening.
But to go back to Tunguska, what's interesting is that a few people know about this in the United States, is that one of the Soviet astronavigators, Mr. Sternfeld, calculated that back in 1908, if a ship was to leave Venus in order to get to our planet, using the use Using the least energy output, it would have to leave exactly at the date when the explosion took place.
It's very interesting.
It's just one of the more fascinating information.
And we do know that in 1949, under this Beria expedition, you had KGB people, among them geologists too, who were actually flown in to the site of the Farrington Mountain
and took to collect what was there and my god, they did collect a lot of information
but what's fascinating is that they knew back in 1949 that it was a nuclear explosion over Siberia
A nuclear explosion What is your best guess about what it was?
A nuclear device?
exploded to, I have heard theories that space travel could be accomplished with a series
of nuclear explosions. People have talked about that kind of thing, to use literally
as a drive, or it could have been a crash. What do you think?
My opinion is very close to this one of Professor Zolotov, who was murdered in 1995. And this
is it. The Tunguska explosion was an object of artificial origin.
And he...
It might have been a UFO bomb with a power of 40 megatons, which was exploded by an alien race to attract mankind's attention.
Some kind of a signal from another world.
But the aliens chose to explode it in a faraway wilderness.
So as to minimize the harm.
So somebody or something was trying to call attention of at least some of the humans, maybe those up in the government, to something that they wanted to inform.
Well, if that's what it was, do you think we got the message?
Oh, I think that those on top did get the message.
I just don't know whether, you know, how they're going to Play this message out and what is it they're doing.
But so much has happened after that, behind the scenes and others.
I'd like to find out more.
All we know, it's like a mirror that has been shattered in thousands of pieces.
You and me, we can collect a few of the pieces.
And something was reflected in that bloody mirror and we don't know what it is.
Because the pieces are locked away KGB files or naval files or the CIA files?
Well, at one point, as you said, it was easier to get to the KGB files than it was to CIA files.
We still don't really have those.
But we did get some KGB information.
Is it enough to convince a reasonable person, we use that expression a lot in this country, a reasonable person, as a standard, that there is no question About the fact that we are being visited by some intelligence.
It was enough to convince a reasonable KGB functionary to collect at least 124 pages of such documents, which I have, for example, and I know a few other researchers do.
And enough going through such files to convince a reasonable UFO researcher that the KGB You're quite upset, maybe by some of them, because it was not the KGB's role to collect information about UFOs, but they had received it anyway from their informers and case officers.
And they had to do something about it.
You know, you're looking at bureaucracy.
You get a report, you've got to do something about it.
So they file reports about gigantic cylindrical Objects, as I mentioned before, strange clouds, you know, throughout the land.
Strange clouds?
Oh, clouds.
I mean, don't even start about it, because clouds are very interesting.
Something is happening over Russia in several areas, especially the north.
Clouds appear, perfectly shaped so-called clouds.
Sometimes aircraft comes out from such clouds.
Never before seen.
Sometimes UFOs, you know, differently shaped UFOs.
Sometimes such clouds envelop whole towns.
That's just one of the things in those files.
And again, I would not, you know, I would not exchange KGB files for the naval intelligence files.
I mean, I would rather get those naval files.
But I know I can't.
Well, we can't, is right.
I mean, as you pointed out, we have better access to the Russian files for a while than we do to this very day to our own.
And the American people are, of course, naturally very curious about this kind of thing, because it could mean, ultimately, something really important.
One question we ask here all the time is, what we're seeing, in other words, are these beings from another I'm very much interested in underwater phenomena.
I think there is definitely something down there.
would there be some other dimension that is actually all around us and uh... we simply don't know how
to break that barrier
or are these beings from somewhere else do you have any thoughts
uh... i'm very much interested in underwater phenomena i think there is
definitely something down there down there
and let's get again due to the fact
department of the navy naval historical center yes in washington dc
and at the grab bibliography of on i'd unidentified flying objects
Thanks.
You see, information like this exists, and we can all get to it through the Internet, for example.
And if you look at the selection that's being kept as a bibliography, it's astounding.
I could not get my hands on some of it about the Soviet Union, but they have it.
And they have it on record.
I don't know if we can get it from them, but it's there in Washington, D.C.
For example, there's an interesting article from a very obscure publication that doesn't exist anymore.
Soviet soldier.
Yes.
English.
Yes.
It's called paratroopers and UFOnauts.
Meaning like cosmonauts, UFOnauts.
Yes.
That's just one.
So, you know, you can see that our navy yes is very much interested in
what the soviet research
church new and uh...
i guess they're doing uh... there is
there is in this country now for example i've got a story in front of me
associated press just released today september thirtieth
An anticipated collision over the Pacific this weekend is seen as the first test of a national missile defense system that critics argue could increase, not reduce, the nuclear threat it aims to stop.
Launching Saturday night from California is a Minuteman missile that has the potential to carry a nuclear warhead anywhere in the 50 states.
Some 4,300 miles away in the Pacific Ocean, a booster rocket will fire an interceptor if the two collide at a combined speed of 16,000 miles an hour.
The force would reduce both missiles to harmless space dust at about 140 miles above the Earth.
So we are working on this Now, and there are some people, Paul, who think that it's not necessarily the Soviets, or excuse me, the Russians, that we are so worried about.
I think we're worried about beings or entities that take care of our spacecraft over Mars, as an example.
Look at another report.
A few days ago we lost yet another spacecraft.
And I've done a lot of research about the Phobos incident back in 1989.
And it's my deepest belief, shared by a prominent Russian scientist, that there is something on Mars, as an example, that doesn't like what we're doing.
We're sending our craft into forbidden territory.
a lot of us feel the very same way it's been i don't know how many of them now
that blow up or
uh... well we get all kinds of excuses the latest one i i i thought was the
most uh... on credible
which is probably not a valid word but not at all credible
that uh... we simply made a mistake in math and senate too close to mars
uh... when it was out of radio contact Pretty hard to buy, Paul.
What did the Hubble telescope see during the so-called time of the mistake?
There was a substantial amount of time.
Well, unfortunately, the spacecraft, though, was on the other side of Mars and out of radio contact.
And so I presume probably, well, I don't know, maybe or maybe not out of the ability of Hubble to see it.
And you've got a good point, but it was a cynical point.
I wanted to, as a comparison, I wanted to say the same excuse was given to us when the Hubble telescope, so to say, was dysfunctional.
In my opinion, he had seen something.
All right.
Listen, would you be willing to stick around and answer some questions from the audience?
Yes.
Well, I imagine there are going to be plenty of those.
Believe me, plenty of those.
So stay right there, Paul, and we'll get back to you.
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Paul Stonehill is here.
He's an immigrant from the former Soviet Union.
Sort of former, anyway.
And we're talking about ufology and a lot more, and if you have any questions at all for Paul, we're going to open the lines and let you have at it.
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It just says, hmm, I wonder if in order for us humans to communicate with UFOs, we would all have to accept and believe in them.
And if that is the case, the people in power would not want to ever openly admit UFOs exist, because if they did that, mankind would accept UFOs as real and communicate with them.
It would begin, the communication would begin, and they, meaning the government, might lose their power.
Kind of makes sense, because, aside from the government, those who stand to lose the most would be, oh, for example, the church.
And these are the very same people that seem to irrationally deny they exist.
Looks like we're stuck unless those who do believe manage to steal one or get one and plop it down on the steps of the Capitol in Washington, D.C.
What do you think, Paul?
Well, it's quite possible.
I think it's quite possible.
And whatever the governments know, whatever information they dole out, I think Hundreds more are being kept away from us and they just don't trust us.
They don't trust us?
But we have to trust them.
Well, I don't know about you, I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.
Alright, first time caller on the line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill, where are you please?
Art, my name is Paul, I'm from Pomona.
Hi Paul.
First time caller, yes, and I enjoy your show.
Thank you.
It's very interesting.
You have a very interesting show.
Anyway, my question is this.
Now, first, I've got to premise it first that, first off, I believe UFOs is a real phenomenon.
As a matter of fact, it's a scientific term.
The government does, in fact, admit to UFOs, but they don't admit to them being extraterrestrial.
Alright?
That's at least to my understanding.
Now, my question is this.
Premising that UFOs are not extraterrestrial, Why is it important to you personally, Paul, that they are extraterrestrial?
Why would it be important?
It's not.
As I mentioned, it's in case of Tunguska phenomena.
I do think, in my opinion, that it was an extraterrestrial object.
But generally, based on my research, Maybe my interest in this whole research, I tend to believe that there is something at the bottom of the ocean that is trying to interact with us or to at least to study us.
Do you hear what he said?
The bottom of the ocean, sir.
Now, would that be important to you?
Oh, to me?
Yes, yes.
I mean, if you thought there was something at the bottom of the oceans.
Well, personally, you mentioned the concern about Christians.
Well, I'm a Christian, and so my observation of this regarding UFO phenomena, I find that people who believe, and groups that believe that UFOs are of extraterrestrial origin also tend to also believe in the Ouija board, And spirit guides, and similar type phenomena.
Probably true.
Yeah.
And it seems to be a one-to-one correlation, and I've not found any exception.
Any books that I've picked up to read about UFO phenomena, inevitably I've found that there is a definite belief in psychics and such phenomena.
Jay, can you answer just a good, honest question for me?
Sure.
With a good, honest answer.
If I can.
If you were to become convinced that UFOs are in fact extraterrestrial, and that in fact they may even account for our being here, how would that affect your faith?
Well, to be honest with you, depending on how you were to interpret or state Yes, that's what I'm asking.
Alright, well that would dismiss the Genesis account as I believe it, personally.
So, it would crush your faith as you presently hold it?
Well, it would crush my current belief system, yes, but my belief in the true God would not change.
I understand.
Alright, I thank you.
Well, you see, Paul, there is an example, and I'm sure that even in Russia, Well, there is quite a bit of religion still.
It always has been.
In fact, when I was there, I never saw so many places of worship in my whole life.
Many of them.
But if somebody's beliefs were to be challenged, they would pretty much come apart.
And I guess that's one reason why a lot of Americans think we are not told about these things.
Would that be the case there, too, in Russia?
Possibly.
Let me explain, if I may, my interest.
I was fascinated with the research that had been going on, conducted by, again, the secret police and the military and the naval people and air force pilots, simply because these people are better equipped than anybody else to study the phenomena.
Well, many of them actually, you know, came in close contact with UFOs were destroyed, sometimes captured a few things.
None of them, you know, lost any beliefs that they had held.
They continued on as being Soviet officers, maybe not devout Marxists.
None of us, I guess, were in the later years of the Soviet Union.
But no beliefs were shattered as a result.
Deep, profound impact sometimes But that's about it.
Well, I would think a devout Marxist might not have so much trouble accepting their presence, or even their presence as our creators at all, as would a lot of American Christians.
In 1985, there was a report from aboard one of the Soviet space stations that they had seen angelic-like beings.
We got that report here.
I remember that report.
And U.S.
astronauts also have seen things.
I have interviewed them, Paul, and can you relate that?
What exactly did they say they saw?
They saw, coming from the orange cloud, something like a cloud, were angelic-like beings that they had seen, that had peaceful Now, wait a minute.
There are not clouds in space, right?
Absolutely.
So, you know, that's another phenomenon.
And they looked at it in wonderment, of course.
You know, they did not kneel down to pray.
They just wondered, what is it?
Maybe, what the hell is it?
You don't know.
But this was something unusual.
By no means the only observation that was Ever received by Soviet cosmonauts.
And I'm sure the ground crew probably said they've been up there too long or something, you know, dismissed the report.
Smuggled vodka aboard.
You know, we used to be quite cynical and even more so.
You think they allow vodka?
Do you think they ever got vodka up on Mir?
There have been rumors how a female cosmonaut could smuggle it in what place, and we will not get into it.
No, absolutely, let's not get into that.
Houston Rockies, you're on the air with Paul Stone, hello.
Yes, good morning Art, how are you?
I'm alright, sir.
Kind of a very interesting program.
Oh, very good program.
This is Mike, and I'm calling from Birmingham, Alabama on WERC.
Yes, sir.
And I do have a couple questions for Paul.
My first question is, Well, it is my belief that we are being visited by extraterrestrials.
We have been for probably many thousands of years.
And my two questions would be, do you think that we're being visited within our solar system?
Or do you think they're using some type of wormhole in space to come from great distances?
And two, since there are many different recorded shapes and sizes of UFOs, do you think That we're being visited by more than one species or races of extraterrestrials.
Okay.
Based on the information I have collected, I think there definitely is, to answer your second question, more than one species.
And the first question I would say, in my opinion, we may be visited by beings that have a way station on Mars.
And I think our government knows about it.
Maybe the same beings that keep destroying the craft we send there?
I would say so.
It's a sentinel of some sort that does not want us buzzing around.
Buzzing around.
How's that, caller?
Okay, very good.
I do appreciate it.
All right, thank you very much for the call, and take care.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Good morning.
Hello there.
Hello.
Yes, sir.
You're on there.
Where are you?
Good morning, Clark.
My name is Misha.
I'm from Santa Monica, California.
Santa Monica?
Yes, sir.
And I think I detect a Russian accent.
Dobro jutro, Paul.
Dobro jutro.
Well, Paul, yes, I'm a Russian descent, or Russian dissident.
I see.
Paul, I would like to ask you a question about the appearance of UFO during the Chernobyl If you know anything about it, can you elaborate?
A whole chapter in my book, absolutely, based on Mr. Krakatwil's information and some other ones.
The rumor has, not the rumor, but the report has it that actually UFO helped subside the explosion.
That's exactly what I heard, yeah.
Not only subside, but it's reduced the radiation by, I think, like a thousand times.
Yes, like this.
The first reading that was taken just as the UFO appeared in the sky was 3,000, I believe it's milliroentgens an hour.
Milliroentgens, yes.
After the rays, you know, came out from UFO directed at the site of the explosion, the reading showed 800 milliroentgens an hour.
Significant reduction, yes.
Yeah, it's quite a big reduction.
Thank you very much.
All right.
You're very welcome.
And have a good morning.
And I hope nothing he said was bad.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
This is Dave from Waterbury, Connecticut.
Hi, Dave.
Listen, I have a question for both of you.
You know, I've been listening to you for about two years, Art.
Yes, sir.
And you know, this thing about the NASA and the security, I'm beginning to wonder, if you were under direct orders of NASA to maintain security, And let's suppose that the top management in the government has got messages from these aliens to say, if you divulge this, we will do very damaging things.
But you wanted to get the message out.
Yes.
Wouldn't you try to put it out in kind of a coded way by giving really stupid explanations?
And my question to Paul is, having come from the Soviet Union, they may be a little more familiar with passive resistance to direct governmental authority.
If you were going to resist something where you knew you spoke out directly, you could be bodily harmed.
Would it seem reasonable to put out explanations through management that might slide through or some other kind of passive resistance thing?
And do you know of any other incidents, either in the U.S.
or Russia, where really silly explanations come out from very intelligent people that would kind of like make claims that would make you very skeptical at what you just heard?
Excellent.
Actually, it's a very good idea.
I think it's quite possible there may be people who are fed up and need to find a way to express themselves, and maybe that's the way.
Maybe there are other ways.
I once met here a former U.S.
Top Gun flyer, and I hope he's still alive.
He had flown a lot of aircraft during the 1950s.
he doesn't believe in god and devil and UFOs but he did tell me
that in 1955 he was called to chase
something that was speeding through the sky at incredible speed
and he said not us, not the Russians, we did not have such technology
and he chased it over two states couldn't catch up
I interviewed Gordon Cooper, U.S.
astronaut Gordon Cooper, not more than about two weeks ago, Paul, and he talked to me about chasing discs over Germany.
No question about it.
I mean, he was in a high-performance jet and he was chasing things that He had absolutely no explanation for, and I know your cosmonauts also, your cosmonauts, I'm sorry, you're here now, that Russian cosmonauts also have seen a lot of things, not just the angelic presence, but they've seen other things as well, haven't they?
Absolutely!
I can give you, you know, I can give you examples, but we should go back to 1957, even during the second uh... start-up satellite you know to get the soviet uh...
you know sent to the sky
you know if you did they had been ufo's over the over that uh... area
and uh... we knew that i mean these uh... we found out about it here
but uh...
you or more about the cosmonauts they had seen gigantic waves
rising in the oceans they had seen uh...
objects from aboard
uh... again the oceans Yeah, yeah.
Again, the ocean.
But I don't want to concentrate on the ocean by no means.
No, that's quite alright.
That's an area of great fascination to me.
And I imagine that from space, you surely would see something big coming up out of the ocean, wouldn't you?
Absolutely.
And, um, I... Salute 6 Space Station was cursed or blessed with so many sightings by different cosmonauts.
For example, Yuri Romanenko and Yuri Grechko.
Back in 77 had seen an object that was chasing them.
It was definitely a small metallic body.
And they even had like a drawing of it.
That's one.
A lot was happening in 1978.
By the way, the same year that the CIA declassified a whole number of files on Soviet geophology.
I still am trying to find out why.
So, something was... definitely Soviet cosmonauts had seen a lot.
A lot.
For example, on August 28, 1978, there were four cosmonauts.
Two of them were East Germans, and they had seen an object that... a gigantic object that was kind of flying around the station.
1981.
Wait till you read my book.
There's a whole section about the 1981 case.
And what had been seen, a close contact, so to say, between Soviet cosmonauts and beings from another spaceship.
This is not hearsay.
This information was leaked to the West some years ago, many years ago, and I was chasing after a film that was taken aboard the Salute 6 station of the whole incident.
Yes.
You can't get it.
Others did too.
I know some Hollywood producers are always out for such things.
My contacts in Russia were afraid to talk about it.
We have also some unusual footage from our shuttle flights, as you must know, STS-48, STS-80, and now some even newer stuff that is just absolutely amazing.
Have you seen any of the shuttle footage?
Yes.
You have?
I think, yeah, whatever was available, I believe, I had seen once.
And I have no doubts.
I have a photograph that was given to me by Professor Burdakov, who himself is one of the top Soviet space scientists, who has no doubts about the existence of UFOs as a scientist.
He gave me a picture of the Soviet Buran shuttle, and when it was being loaded, I guess, aboard one of the aircraft, they took pictures of the whole scene.
When they developed it, they found out black balls flying, black spheres flying around.
Oh, black spheres flying around, did you say?
Yeah.
Oh, my.
Well, it's, you know, and you take somebody like Professor Burdakov, and Western debunkers hate him, I mean, with passion, like they hate me, but he exists.
Oh, they hate you, too?
They hate you, too?
Yeah, definitely.
All right, Paul, hold on.
on will be right back i didn't realize that we did not only go to paul stonehill's
book but that's being taken care of right now
Of course, it's at Amazon.com, but here in a few moments, I think we'll have a link up.
I just spoke with Keith.
So, you're listening to Paul Stonehill.
You have a rare opportunity to ask about the other side.
And while we know a lot about what's going on and has been going on here, You know very little about there.
All right, it's done.
That's how fast Keith is.
Actually, we've got two links up for Paul Stonehill right now.
One is the Soviet UFO files, and that'll take you right to the book.
And the paranormal.
And, Encounters Behind the Iron Curtain.
We've got both of them up now.
So, if you want to buy the book, and I bet you do by now, you can go to my website, www.artbell.com, scroll down to the name Paul Stonehill, and click on, I would suggest, I guess, the first one, the Soviet UFO Files.
That would be a very valuable book for anybody to have.
Paul, welcome back.
You bet.
Stay good and close to the phone for me, that's very important.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hello.
Hello, how do you do?
Good evening, and Roussuite, Paul.
That's a bad Russian, but anyhow, I hope you can understand it.
This is my question.
I am also from a Navy family, Naval Academy graduates all around.
I'm wondering if the Liberty incident might have a connection with what you're talking about.
And this is why I'm telling you this.
I had a conversation with an officer who was in the Mossad.
And he also, by the way, originally was from Russia, or his family are from Russia.
Very well connected there with the Soviet Union.
In any case, he said that the reason the Liberty was attacked in 1967, the Six Day War, was that they had an underground facility sort of like an
Area 51 underneath the Sinai.
And they were doing the experiments with the antigravitic craft.
And I wondered if you know of anything of whether this was just disinformation because
as the sister of one killed on that ship, me, the survivors are all trying to find out
why this happened and why it's so blacked out 32 years later.
Well, that would not have been the first explanation I would have jumped to with regard to the Liberty, but Paul, do you have any thoughts?
My suggestion is contact the Israeli UFO Society.
You can do it through the Internet.
And I think Mr. Barry, I can't recall his last name, but he's quite knowledgeable.
Chumash, I believe.
Barry Chumash.
And I respect his research.
And he's quite outspoken, because so many things have happened over Israel, that he might actually help you much better than I would.
All right.
Thank you for that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Good morning.
Hello, Art and Paul.
Where are you, sir?
I'm in Atoka, Oklahoma.
I have a comment to make, and then I'd like to ask him three different questions, if I may.
Well, we'll see.
First, I believe that there are certain parts of our governments, and it transcends all nations, that are in league with certain aliens that have been on our planet for many centuries.
And they are in the process of trying to come out of their own genetic dead-end that they are in.
In the process, they're doing the genetic experiments and crossbreeding experiments and abductions.
All right.
That being said, what questions do you have?
Is he aware of any research in Russia about the reigns of human flesh and blood and body parts from clear blue skies?
No.
Good, quick answer.
No.
No.
No, and I don't think I've ever heard of human body parts falling from the sky, save a plane crash.
If you'll go into some of the Reader's Digest Mysteries of the Unexplained and some other books similar to that, you'll come across many accounts of them that are well documented by doctors.
I don't doubt you.
That, I believe, is part of the aliens, when they get through with the genetic experiments, they actually use the people for food.
They have been feasting on our species for centuries.
The reason that we have all the secrecy in the governments, I believe, is the governments know that the Federation, i.e.
all the other life that is time traveling back now to remedy the situation, are on the horizon and they're coming soon.
You remember how to serve man, right?
Yeah, obviously you do.
We'll leave it there.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hi.
Good morning, Paul.
Good morning, Art.
Hi.
I can barely hear you, sir.
You're going to have to yell at us.
Okay.
Hey, Art, can I use my nickname?
Oh, I don't know.
What is it?
It's Bud Z. Green from Potland, Oregon.
All right.
It's in the honor of Willie Nelson and the late, great Dr. Carl Sagan.
Bud Z. Green from Pottsville, Oregon.
Pottland, Oregon.
Pottland, Oregon.
And Willie, if you're listening... No, Willie, another day for Willie, sir.
I've got Paul Stonehill now.
Sorry.
Willie Nelson's music seems to transcend through many ages from young to old.
Yeah, please don't give a bad reputation to your nickname.
Try and ask a relevant question.
Okay.
First of all, Are there any proof to the rumors of a moon base on the dark side of the moon?
All right.
Paul, you alluded to something on Mars.
What about the moon?
What do you think?
I have, I think, about two chapters that deal with moon.
The Soviets had been quite interested in lunar research.
Soviet astronomers had seen unusual things.
And we're not hesitant to report such, even in the newspaper, on the surface of the moon.
And I think Chinese researchers know quite a lot about Soviet and American research.
And what is it that the Americans know?
Well, yes.
It's a very interesting area for us to discuss a little bit about, Paul.
Thirty years ago, thirty years ago, we went to the moon.
And we have not yet been back with man since.
And a lot of us wonder about that.
You mentioned Mars and the fact that somebody or something might not want us there.
And it may well be that something or somebody doesn't want us in space, period.
And maybe would allow us low Earth orbit, which is where we are, but not much beyond.
And a lot of us suspect that's why the manned space program has not gone beyond.
I think so.
Even the Soviet attempts to create a so-called super-fighting biological machine and send it to the moon have failed.
Again, I have quite a lot about it.
Even about the KGB's attempts to use the Lunokhod to have somebody come along on the Lunokhod.
The point is, they have been very much interested in lunar research.
But I found, in my opinion, They had not done it together with the Americans, unlike their Martian expeditions.
And the Phobos expedition to Mars was definitely not a Soviet expedition in itself.
It was a joint operation, and JPL knew minute by minute what had been happening.
Much of the equipment of the failed Phobos probes was created in the West, France, Finland, a few other
states.
It was a very, very curious expedition, mounted by many states.
And it was...
One of the tasks of the expedition was to test a new laser on the surface of the Moonlet.
And I guess whoever is up, you know, next to Mars or on Mars did not like it.
Well, I think the following is logical.
If there's anybody else out there, and I believe there is, and they have been observing us, meaning what we're doing, what we have, all the atomic and hydrogen weapons that our countries possess and probably are getting closer every day to using, that If I were making a judgment about whether I wanted us flitting about in space, I don't think I'd want us out there yet, would you?
Absolutely.
You know, in their eyes we may be a primitive race, you know, armed too much for our own good.
Yes, with too many constant disagreements.
Absolutely.
Over things like gods.
Absolutely.
You're right, and as a direct result with the so-called Joint Human Expedition to Mars back in 1989 was, uh, you know, crushed by whatever being up there, whatever sentinel may be waiting out there.
All right.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hello.
Hi Art.
Hi Paul.
This is David calling from Denver, Colorado.
Yes, David.
And I wanted to ask Paul, have you, uh, been in touch with British intelligence and, uh, I had a chance to go through the KGB files that were smuggled out, the vast amount of KBG files that were smuggled out.
I think the man's name was Matrokin.
Why would they be in touch with me, an immigrant?
Well, yeah, I understand, but I was wondering if you had any idea if those files contained any information about ufology or I doubt it.
From what I have seen of what Mr. Mitrokhin did, they did not, but they contained enough information to get out Soviet agents and traitors.
And I hope, by the way, I really hope that we get all of the information from the files, because a few people in the United States may feel heat under their feet, and they should, because they were traitors to their own government.
And I know that some people in California, from what I had read, should be named, no matter how high a position they hold in a certain political party.
I mean, for years, I've lived in the United States, and I had to fight when I went to college, when I went to receive my education.
I had to fight so-called Soviet sympathizers.
Actually, not so-called.
And when I would tell them that the Soviet Union is a bloody prison of nations and a communist concentration camp, they would tell me, no, you are not being honest about it.
And some of these bastards, I know, then they grow up and become big shots in several industries.
And I remember them quite well at Cal State Northridge.
I attended in a few other places, and they would laugh at me, and they were quite uncomfortable with me, and people like... I'm sure they were, because you were telling them a truth that they did not want to hear.
Yeah, that Marxism sucks?
No, they don't like to hear it.
They don't want to hear that, I know.
And now we may find out that they did something, you know, they did actual things to help along Marxist state of the USSR.
That's why, this is the value of the Mitrokhin files, not the aliens.
I don't think that the KGB was primarily interested in UFOs.
As I said, they had to write down information, register information sent to them.
You couldn't find, you couldn't hide facts like gigantic, you know, spaceships like objects flying over the Tundra or the Arctic.
You know, you can't hide it.
So they have to take reports like that.
We also have reports.
NATO has been monitoring large, very large, very fast, 25,000 mile per hour somethings going across the North Atlantic.
There have been a number of reports about that between Britain and North America and or Canada.
Just tremendous speeds, and commercial pilots have seen them and reported them.
So, I wonder if the Russian authorities have similar reports on that side of the world.
Absolutely.
Especially over the northern areas.
You know, less populated areas, but areas that contain a lot of military bases and secret installations, definitely.
I think one of such objects crushed back in 1981 over the Kola Peninsula, a still very
secretive place, and the Soviets had recovered it.
1981 was a very curious year in itself, and Soviet ufology and Western ufology, and Americans
had always been interested in the northern parts of the Soviet Union and what had been
going on there, the CIA and I'm sure our defense intelligence.
Many reports.
In the Soviet Union.
Even the KGB files mention them.
And then you have files of the Navy.
Naval research.
I'll give you a date.
20th of September, 1977.
In the White Sea of Russia.
A submarine.
A very highly effective submarine.
Staffed by engineers.
Military engineers.
No small fries.
They had found, they had observed a sky that, I mean something in the sky, like a small star that had been, that turned into a gigantic cylinder as it approached.
And again, this was a cylinder that would emit small P-shaped UFOs that would buzz around and go back inside the mothership, I would say.
And there was a, you know, a report about it done.
Another, say, October 7, 1977.
This one is even more sinister.
This was a Soviet base, a so-called floating submarine base in the Barents Sea.
This is up north.
Yes.
What happened to it is that nine helicopter-like objects approached, but they were not helicopters.
Actually, they turned out to be disks, nine of them.
Strange, silvery, shining disks, and they started dancing, some kind of movement.
Rapid movement around, you know, about the ship and the captain, his name is Tarankin, he ordered his people to write down what had happened all there, you know, so that he would not be taken for a madman.
Yes.
He could not contact his base.
Remember this.
I've never heard any of this before.
In my book you will meet about, you know, that cylindrical, gigantic cylindrical object Back in 53, there was a very interesting case over Siberia, well reported, I even have drawings, by a scientist, imprisoned scientist, who was a hell of a guy, you know, fearless, hated communists, and was one of their top scientists at the same time.
Well, up over the tundra, he had observed this gigantic, cylindric-like object, and the KGB came over, actually, rushed in, They disappeared?
studied but uh... because of the effect biological effect you know it downplayed this object uh... they they they ran
away but they forced the scientists to stay on the study
he almost died and then the soviet
actually sent i think three uh... aircraft
against it and although the order was don't don't don't shoot
such objects they did shoot and as a result
they still don't know what happened to the planes they disappear yeah absolutely
that's not the only time but nineteen fifty three this was quite an interesting
year and in your apology it happened
Again, the same cylindrical, gigantic cylindrical object, and I had other reports throughout, not only by military, but Primarily, I'm interested in military reports.
Yes, of course.
Paul, just a quick question from the top of my head.
Where were you during the Cuban Missile Crisis?
during the uh... missile cry cuban missile crisis i was uh... three years old
Three years old.
So you don't remember that, really, do you?
No.
I remember, but my parents told me that everybody was afraid.
I was wondering if the Russian public, if the Soviet Union at that time, told everybody what was going on.
Well, of course, the aggression from the United States towards brotherly Cuba and world peace and so forth.
But people were more cynical at the time.
And sometimes people spoke out.
I understand.
Listen, we have one more hour.
Can you stay?
Or do you want to go to bed?
It's your choice.
I have an appointment.
I need to leave.
Okay.
Let's do it.
I promise we can do it the next time.
Yes.
Call me and we'll set it up.
Done deal.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you, sir.
Good night, Paul.
Good night.
night. Bye bye.
Whew, that was something.
That was a good one.
Bye bye.
I think she's happy to be moving.
She looks away from me and I start to feel so good.
I'm worried that I was creeping from her room.
I'm scared to be trapped.
I'm scared to be moved.
Well, that last hour was really something, wasn't it?
I'm scared to be trapped.
Wanna take a ride?
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Alright, I've got a couple of things I really want to get on the air here.
One, I hope we can get a link to it.
Keith, Keith Rowland, are you listening?
I'll send you a link to this.
It's in the Portland Press-Herald, and I had a phone call about it last night, but I was afraid To air this because I, you know, to go further with it last night because I didn't have confirmation of it.
Well, I've got the newspaper story in front of me from Portland Press-Herald and the headline is, front page, State Keeps Y2K Report Secret.
Sub-headline, Officials Pay $600,000 for the Study of Y2K Readiness but Citing Security Order there be no written report.
Now, let us think about that a little bit, all right?
They paid the better part of, well, certainly over a half million dollars, anyway, $600,000, a lot of money, for a Y2K readiness report, but they said don't put one damn word of it on paper.
They took the report, vocally, And then closed the lid on it.
Now this is on the front page of the Portland Press-Herald.
Now I'm, look, I've still, I want you to know, I've got an open mind on Y2K, but it's crap like this, it scares the stuffing out of me.
Why would they order a Y, you know, obviously not to panic the public in some way.
Here's somebody on the front page who is quoted as saying, You know, in response to this, I guess they interviewed some people.
Having a report that's not in writing, so that it will not become public, just feeds the public frenzy that something is being kept from me.
Frankly, it sounds like it is.
End quote.
Marge, and I can't make out Marge's last name, but I mean, this is on the front of the Portland paper here.
Why would they do that, unless there were things that they did not want us to know about the readiness of one city?
That's something to think about, isn't it?
Then I've got another article here.
It looks like front page.
Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
And it's entitled, Nuclear Blob Grows at Hanford.
That's right.
Nuclear blob grows at Hanford.
So, in a moment, we will get to that report.
How would you like to look and feel 10 years younger in 10 weeks?
We already did that.
Let's get to the report now.
A giant radioactive, they call it scuffle, S-O-U-F-F-L-E, scuffle?
...is rising toward the top of a million-gallon tank of nuclear waste buried near Richland.
Richland, Washington.
Great.
Whipped up by unexpectedly... an unexpected action, I guess, by a pump that was supposed to instead dissipate pockets of hydrogen gas, the waste has smothered one tube for vapor sampling, threatens other instruments, could eventually, they say, overflow, According to officials of the Department of Energy and the contractor in charge of that tank.
That would be a Lockheed Martin-Hanford Corporation.
They are rushing to pump some of the waste into another tank, possibly within a month.
In May, workers stopped the growth, at least temporarily, by lancing the crust with high-pressure water jets.
But the hole they made is beginning to close.
This is fairly worrisome stuff, from my point of view.
Very worrisome stuff.
A giant bubble.
In other words, they put in a pump to ensure this kind of thing wouldn't happen, and instead of relieving it, it actually caused it.
it.
So they've got a nuclear blob growing at a million-gallon tank at Hanford.
You wonder why I have storable food advertisements and such here.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yeah, this is Dave from Orange Cove, California.
Hi Dave, you're going to have to yell at us a little.
Get close to the phone.
Yeah, calling about anything new on the sightings in Mexico City.
No, I have nothing recent.
Jaime Mazan, I think, was interviewed recently on that, and he would have had the latest.
I didn't catch the program, but I think... I forget.
One of my guest hosts had Jaime Mazan on recently.
All right.
Well, thanks a lot.
I listen to your show all the time.
Okay.
Thank you.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
This is Pamela in Seattle.
Hello, Pamela.
The only thing to worry about Y2K about is that people are addicted to electricity.
Well, they certainly are.
And it's not necessarily a good idea.
You remember Mr. Hogue last night started out saying that we are addicted to this lifestyle of overextending ourselves and the only way to save the planet is to get back in touch with what's supposed to be?
Well, fat chance we're going to do that voluntarily.
Isn't that true?
I took the news kicking and screaming myself.
I refuse to admit that there's absolutely anything wrong.
With the way I see the world, I think I'm a very healthy person, and to have to stop drinking was a real blow.
Oh yes, I know.
Because I never misbehaved, Art.
I never drank to excess.
Okay, I'm not going to keep talking about this with you.
I know.
We haven't done enough talking about it, so you have two choices I'm going to give them to you, alright?
Yeah.
One is you can continue to call the program and talk about other things, or you can not call the program anymore.
I told you, Art, I'm not doing this of my own free will.
Well, then I'm going to have to exercise my discretion as a talk show host, and when you start doing it, I'm going to take you off the air.
I know, Art.
Nobody wants to talk about it.
Okay, well, yes, we have talked plenty about it.
And I don't mind that you call, but to repetitively come in under cover of some other subject and then revert to that every single night, I will not tolerate.
So you make up your own mind out there.
If you want to contribute to the program, you're welcome to do it.
If you are compulsively driven to talk only about your alcohol problem, then we're not going to continue with you.
You make up your own mind, your choice.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Yeah, all right, that woman is hilarious.
You know, it's not hilarious.
It's really kind of sad.
I understand she's driven to do that, but I'm not going to have it night after night after night.
By the way, Suffolk, it's actually Soufflé.
Soufflé?
Yeah.
That's Soufflé?
Nuclear Soufflé.
Nuclear Soufflé?
Yeah, I just had some yesterday.
Does it worry you a little bit?
I mean, to talk about a blob growing in a million-gallon tank of nuclear waste is really something to think about if you're up in that area.
Highly irregular, I'd say.
Highly irregular, yes.
Actually, what I'm calling about is that prediction that Ed Dames made seven or eight months ago that in July or August, Using his remote viewing technique, he interpreted one of the quatrains of Nostradamus to mean that there would be an attack on a U.S.
stadium.
Oh yes, I recall.
And it didn't happen.
Has not manifested.
But on the other hand, he's hit a lot of them here recently.
Yeah.
I just think it's important when he makes a prediction like that and it goes by and nothing happens.
I think you ought to, especially when he's on, you ought to take him to task on it and point it out.
I remember that show, and when he was making that prediction, you spent a lot of time talking about it and saying, oh, this is frightening.
Get the kids out of the room and all that.
You ought to devote at least some time, when he's wrong, to talking about that, that here's one that he missed.
Well, that's what I have you for, and lots of other people.
I mean, you're welcome to go up and slam anybody around whenever they miss one, but also know when they make one.
Yeah, well, I would love to.
And it's, you know, because, like, a lot of times you'll ask.
It seems like every time... You know, for example, he said that the next Mars probe would be destroyed.
Did he say that?
Yeah, he said that.
You forgot that, huh?
No, I guess I didn't hear it, but, I mean, he ought to, like, publish them before they happen and have them, you know... Well, when he goes on the radio and gives them, that's like publishing them.
And, obviously, you have some hits, you have some misses.
That's all there is to it.
doesn't claim short it what it if you listen to him carefully
he says only predictions
that are done by the entire group that's like that
will be guaranteed to be a hundred percent anything else uh... independent work he's done and so forth
well i know that a hundred percent at all and he doesn't claim
but i remember that the master domicile was one that he claimed that you know
several members that worked on He looked at Nostradamus' quatrain, that's true.
And by the way, don't give up yet.
We've got one more day before the quatrain, even with liberal interpretation through a sept, is not valid.
I'm just waiting for him to come on and say that the attack from the sky was the mosquitoes they have now in New York.
Encephalitis?
Yeah.
So that's already occurred to you as a possibility, huh?
Yeah.
Thank you.
It's true, isn't it?
Now, check me if I'm wrong, but it did come from the sky.
It is mosquito and bird-borne, right?
Mosquitoes biting birds and then people.
And the press has gone out of its way, unusually, to indicate That this thing has never been seen in North America before and was confined to Africa.
As if in great puzzlement.
I mean, that is true, right?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Yeah, all right.
It's Tony calling from Vancouver, British Columbia.
Hi, Tony.
I just wanted to lighten things up a little bit and talk about a comment you made when you were going in with some of your You're at Bumper Music a while ago with ABBA?
Oh yes.
And you were saying, um, I wonder why we don't hear the accents.
Yeah, when ABBA sings, um, all the accents are gone.
I mean, you could not detect them from a bunch of L.A.
Valley girls.
That's true.
But I think the reason for that is, and um, you've had neurologists and people like that on your program, and it might be worth asking them about this the next time you have one on.
But it's different centers in the brain responsible for speech and singing.
Really?
And they're actually not that close together on the brain.
And that's why people who have a bad stuttering problem can sing.
Like Mel Tillis is a classic example.
I've heard, yes, I certainly have heard that, yes.
No, I think that's probably the reason, the different actual centers in the brain.
It's a point well made.
Thank you very much, sir.
And yes, if you listen to Abba carefully, you've got to understand they're not Americans.
For the most part, I don't think speak English.
But they sing English flawlessly.
Absolutely flawlessly.
That's all there is to it.
I've always been a big fan of girl harmony.
You know, a lot of girls in the ABBA group.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hey, good morning, Art.
How you doing?
I'm alright, sir.
Hey, this is Lance calling from AM600 in Montreal.
Yes, sir.
Okay, I had two questions I wanted to ask you about some prior guests you had on the show.
Okay.
I'm actually piloting the transmitter here in Montreal, and I listen to the show a lot.
So, you did a show with a guest, I can't remember his name, it was about reverse speech.
Yes.
I was absolutely dumbfounded with what I heard that night.
I was wondering if you were going to have that guest on another time.
The guest you refer to is David Oates.
David Oates.
Okay, that was one.
And I've heard you make references to Mel's Hole many times.
Yes.
And if you could just briefly, maybe if I hang up and just listen, if you could run down what that was all about.
Alright, I'll see what I can do.
With reference to your first question, not very likely.
With reference to your second question, Mel's Hole.
You know what?
I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.
If you sit here and try and explain the saga of Mel's Hole to you, it would be impossible.
But it just occurred to me that this is a program that we could probably cobble together.
We did a couple on Mel's Hole.
And maybe one night, as a repeat program, we'll put Mel's Hole on And we'll let you decide for yourself.
It really took several hours for the story to unwind.
And it was absolutely riveting and intriguing about a very, very deep hole in the ground in eastern Washington.
Potentially an endless hole.
And I think we could probably cobble together a couple of shows And get a full five hours on Mel's Hole that would absolutely astound you.
I will make that request to the network and see what we can do.
So that's it in brief, but the minutiae of that story is astounding.
And so I'll see if we can get it on the air again.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi Art, this is Anthony in Fairbanks.
Fairbanks, Alaska.
Yes sir.
And I've got three quick questions for you.
Alright.
Some time ago, you had a doctor on the air as a guest, and an alien he said had killed his dog, and then he in turn had hit the alien with a stick.
That would be Dr. Reed.
Yes.
Didn't you say you were going to have an update on that sometime soon?
I have heard from Dr. Reed and his partner, and they will soon have more information for us, and they've got my number, and as soon as they're ready to go public, I'll give them air time.
So when I get the call, you'll Get the story.
OK.
And the second question.
Some time ago, that computer program that you have, and you said you'd have to focus your mind on it and try to clarify one picture as it forms on the computer?
Correct, yes.
Did you ever put that on the webcam like you said you were thinking of doing and having everybody focus on it?
I don't think I put it on a webcam, but we did make that software program available to anybody who wanted to download it some time ago.
Okay, and the last question.
The publisher of your After Dark newsletter?
Yes.
have you ever heard of any their computers are like you can't compliant
uh... uh...
uh... no but i'll tell you a little story and it is as follows
I've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 computers in the house and I did a Y2K compliance test on mine And one of them is a brand new laptop, you know, a 300 megahertz laptop.
Every single one of them failed.
Every single one of them failed.
And was going to toy with a 1900 date.
Now, how that would have, you know, affected operation, I don't know.
But they all failed.
So I would not give the false hope on this strange and mournful day.
But the mother and child reunion is only a motion away.
Oh, little darling of mine, I care for the life of me.
It's written on the wind.
I feel the same way about it.
It's written on the wind.
Can't you feel it?
I've got a couple of faxes here that are kind of interesting.
Andy in Los Angeles says, hey Art, you know why the Dark Ages happened?
Why 1K?
And then maybe from Coos Bay, Oregon, something not quite as humorous.
Seems to come from a power company at the request of a customer that says, we've been getting a lot of calls from our customers asking if we'll still be able to deliver electricity to them on January 1st, 2000.
And the answer is a very definite, probably.
We'd like to be able to give you a 100% guarantee, but it's just not possible in this situation.
We've been working on the various parts of the Y2K problem for over two years, and we're at about 99% now in readiness.
It's probably simplest to view our systems as two groups.
Those that are involved directly in our ability to provide power, and those that are not.
The first group would include things like switching equipment, remote metering, monitoring equipment, diagnostic equipment, Those are the things most critical in actually delivering power.
That group of systems is 100% ready for the year 2000.
But the second group would include things like our internet computer systems, inventory systems, billing programs.
Those systems are about 98% ready for the year 2000, and we expect to be 100% by October 1st, 1999.
ready for the year 2000 and we expect to be a hundred percent by October 1st 1999
that would be tomorrow right but keep in mind that we don't generate the power we
sell to our customers That power is generated at dams on the Columbia River by the Bonneville Power Administration, or BPA, so we have to rely on them to keep the power flowing to us.
And they seem to be on top of their situation.
They've had a plan in place for several years to deal with Y2K, and they're even a little ahead of schedule.
If you have internet access, it gives a webpage and so forth.
So, I really like the way they opened this up with regard to the chances of having power.
It's a definite probably.
Tell you what, I'm not going to do it.
I was so blown away by this Portland Press-Herald fax that I got.
It's of the front page.
It was Wednesday's Portland Press-Herald.
That I've held it up.
I've held it up.
It was September 29th, Wednesday.
I've held it up on the webcam.
And I'm going to leave that photograph up there.
Again, Portland Press-Herald.
You can go take a look at it.
If you go to my website at www.artbell.com.
A-R-T-B-L-L dot com.
And on the left-hand side, you'll see StudioCam, I think it says.
And take a look at that.
And think about it a little bit.
State keeps Y2K Report secret.
Secret!
Now in the body of the article they described a report which was an oral report that cost $600,000 and they took it in chambers in secret and uh... I guess it's also www.portland.com for you Keith if you happen to be looking for it.
But I really think that people should see this.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
Oh, hi, Art.
Let me grab my recorder real quick.
Yes, thank you.
I wanted to call up... I'm calling from Denver, by the way.
Denver, all right.
Yes.
I am one Christian who would not be threatened by any UFOs or aliens.
Good.
And the reason why is this.
I belong to a Christian religion who believes that there are as many inhabited worlds as there are sands on all the beaches of the world.
That we are far from being alone.
And also that, you know, in the next world we go to, if you're righteous, you're right here on Earth, just on a different plane of existence.
Well, that's a very broad, interesting view.
What religion is it?
It's the Mormon religion.
The Mormon religion.
So the Mormons then believe that there's life all over the place.
Who do they believe created that life?
God, the Creator, Heavenly Father.
Created all of it.
Not just us, but all of the other little grains of sand.
Yes.
And to me, if they came, it would be from one of those two groups.
And they could look a lot different from us.
I mean, all of us here on Earth are created in his image.
And look what difference there is in humans here on this Earth.
Then why would there be a difference if it was his image somewhere else?
Well, what I'm saying is they don't all look Scandinavian here on Earth, right?
I mean, there's a tribe in Africa that's over seven feet tall on average, and then there's pygmies.
And we all... I know, but there's still a basic configuration, right?
Right.
A couple of legs, a couple of arms, a couple of eyes, nose, mouth, all that sort of thing, right?
Yeah, and if they were humans, that's what form they would have.
You're right, I see what you're saying.
If there's something else... Good, that was my question.
In other words, if all are created in his image...
Then when we get to that other grain of sand, they ought to look pretty much like we do, right?
With minor modifications, ranging from seven-foot Africans to Pygmies.
But within that range.
Good question, anyway.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hello?
Going once, going twice.
In Cary.
Oh, you are there.
Okay, where are you?
In Cary, North Carolina.
Okay, welcome.
Yeah, you were talking about the nuclear waste earlier.
My brother-in-law, he used to fly for SAC in the B-52s, and do you realize that they actually, one of their aircraft was going down and they dropped a nuclear bomb in the dismal swamp around here, it's up by the coast.
I remember they dropped one in the ocean, and they were having a lot of trouble getting that one.
I don't recall the swampland of North Carolina.
Yeah, and they apparently don't have the technology to get it out, so they've got it chained off, and apparently it's safe.
So they know where it is, but they can't get it out?
Yeah, they can't get it out.
So they build a little fence around it?
Yeah, and they keep guard on it.
Great.
You know, we were all talking about the Y2K thing, and you remember the satellite, or the GPS, a couple weeks ago, where the weak You know, 10,054 clicked around?
Yes.
The time he was actually flying, you know, flying, you know, they'd gone through and corrected all their code, of course, and his nav system actually went down.
Yep.
And any GPS constructed before a certain date died.
Yeah.
That's all there was to it.
And even after they'd rewritten the code, they still died.
Still died, huh?
Well, somebody doesn't have a piece of code where it ought to be, but it's still possible.
Thank you very much.
It's possible to get a GPS unit that works.
It's not the satellites that went out.
It's the units themselves.
They couldn't do it, and they did die.
All of the units prior to a certain manufacture date died.
Simple as that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, there.
Is this Art Bell?
Yes, it is.
Well, magnificent, Art.
I've been trying to get through for a while.
Turn your radio off.
That's number one.
There we go.
Good for you.
Art, years ago, I was listening to the old Blue Network, and a guy was on there by the name of Frank Edwards.
Blue Network?
Now, that's before my time.
Well, I'm 65 today.
Well, you're before my time.
So, the point being is that The book, Flying Saucers, Serious Business.
Yes.
Is that still going around?
Oh, it's still available, I believe, yes.
Yeah, because Frank Edwards started talking about this in the late 40s and he got me interested in it.
And then I lived in Los Angeles, Ray Breen got me interested in Nikolai Tesla.
Oh, Ray talked about that kind of thing for years and years.
Sure, I know Ray well.
K-L-A-C.
Hey, you play some bumper music.
I want to ask you about it.
It's called Love's All Right by a young woman.
What's the name of that CD?
It's a beautiful collection.
I'm sorry, Love's All Right.
That doesn't click with me.
You play it constantly.
It's all right, blah, blah, blah.
It's all right, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
That just doesn't do it for me.
It's all right, blah, blah, blah.
I could have a little more than that, but it's been great talking to you, Art.
And this is a great program that explores what nobody else wants to talk about.
That it does.
All right.
Thank you very much.
It's all right, blah, blah, blah.
Maybe somebody out there can help me with that.
It's all right, blah, blah, blah.
It's all right is not the title.
It's part of the song.
It is the traditional difficulty in finding any song.
And believe me, I have spent countless hours, if not days, racking my brain, calling up people who I know who know any record and humming to them with limited and sometimes no success at all.
But it's all right.
Recited to me, not sung.
Blah, blah, blah is not going to get me there.
Sorry.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
How are you doing?
I'm fine.
Let me get this radio done.
I'm in Seattle here.
Yes, sir.
Hey, you know the guy you just called from the LDS Church saying many grains of sand, blah, whatever?
Yes.
I wonder, what is your... You often say it's going to shake the foundations of the religion sphere if we make contact.
Yes.
I am a pretty mainstream Christian.
I don't hold that view.
I hold the view that There may be even more than one God in different parts of the universe.
Well, then you're not a mainstream Christian.
Well, okay.
I'm sorry, but... Okay, that's fine.
I'll take that label.
That's fine.
All right, as long as you accept that, then your view is fine.
The thing that I wonder, you know, we have brothers and sisters.
Why can't he?
I know that our Bible teaches that there's one and only, but what if we went to another planet and we found a Bible there that had the Adam and Eve story that was similar.
Then the average Christian would be ecstatic.
But that's not the likelihood, frankly.
Well, I guess that's true.
Although, who knows?
I tend to believe that we certainly are not alone in the universe.
It's just way too big.
In fact, really, to contemplate what you just suggested is incredible.
That might be the biggest surprise of all.
Imagine the shock.
Imagine the scientists going berserk.
Imagine NASA swallowing hard.
I mean, we finally make it through hook or crook or a black hole or whatever, and we get to some other civilization.
I mean, we pop out on the other side of a black hole in a machine or a spaceship or whatever.
There's a planet revolving with obvious cities lit up like a Christmas tree, you know, kind of like Earth must look like.
And on it we find beings very much like ourselves.
Bipeds, you know, all the usual features, right?
In the range that that man talked about.
And when we investigate their belief system as we begin to communicate with them, we find A record either identical to or nearly identical to our Bible.
That would have as big an impact as the other possibility, wouldn't it?
A first time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi.
Hello.
Is this our bill?
I'm the one.
Wow.
I just wanted to call about the lady in Seattle.
She mentioned something about a bit of reality.
She's the alcoholic lady.
Yeah, she calls about that every night that she didn't manage to get through.
Well, actually, I'm surprised I got through.
Anyway, she said something about the main problem of Y2K being that we're addicted to electricity.
That was the one...
The intro she used to begin talking about what she wanted to talk about.
You're right, though.
Yes, she said that.
Right.
Well, I just kind of wanted to point out to her and maybe to a lot of other people, I think you had it on one of your shows before, if that's the only problem with Y2K.
I mean, I believe our nuclear plants need electricity to cool.
They do.
There's over four, I think there's 420 nuclear plants in the world right now, and a lot of them are having problems with the Y2K problem.
If we don't have electricity, then we're not going to be able to cool them.
Well, of course they have backup systems and battery banks and that kind of thing, and I presume that they are going to look at things enough ahead of time so that they will begin to turn them off if they think there's going to be a problem.
I did some research, and I believe it takes four months to cool a nuclear reactor.
And they don't think that they're going to have enough backup power to actually run the entire plant.
Well, I'm sure there will not be, definitely will not be a problem.
Probably.
Well, I hope not.
And I'm Wayne, and I'm in West Richland, Washington, above the nuclear souffle.
Yeah, nuclear souffle.
Now, what do you think about that?
Well, I just hope that it's not too big of a problem that they can't handle it.
Big bubbles in million-gallon tanks.
That's bad.
That's kind of scary.
It really is.
It might have been one of the sirens I heard go off.
I hope not.
We can see the nuclear plant from here.
You can see it from there?
Yeah, we're on a hill in West Richland.
I'm on a hill, and we can see it from where we live.
Gee, sirens would take on a whole new meaning for you, huh?
Yeah, definitely.
And you can hear them from here.
By the way, it's a 20-year-old tank called SY-101, buried just under the surface at Hanford.
SY-101.
Yeah, that's right.
Well, I'll see if I can get some information for you.
Maybe I'll try to call back.
Says the waste in the tank produces unwanted hydrogen as radiation bombards organic chemicals that were added years ago in what officials now say was a mistaken strategy to reduce the waste's volume.
And what do they say is going to happen if it does reach the surface of this bubble?
Well, they are concerned about the possibility, of course, of an explosion, which would be Really bad.
Especially bad for anybody who can see Hanford.
Oh, I'm sure.
Well, hopefully we go up quick.
Yeah, hopefully.
I appreciate the call, sir.
Well, thank you, sir, and have a good night.
Right.
It's in the Seattle Post-Intelligence, sir.
Let's see, the Monday morning edition, September 27th, in case anybody wants to check it out.
I'm torn between which one of these is the more meaningful one to hold up for the studio cam, but I've chosen the Portland Press-Herald.
We can get a link, no doubt, to the post and to answer as well.
Nuclear blob grows at Hanford.
Great headline.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had a sort of a scenic view out your window of Hanford?
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
This is Art Bell.
That's me.
Hi, Art.
This is Carol from Sacramento.
Carol, we have so little time.
You can't believe it.
The show is ending.
What's on your mind?
Okay, I wanted to talk about when you had Betty E on.
Yes.
And she had talked about... I know what you did with several of your friends when they were having surgery and we all got together and prayed for them.
Yes.
And it went through.
Yes.
And she was saying that we can change the outcome of... That's right.
So would you ever consider putting or implementing into your program at a specific time every night that everyone put out goodwill towards the planet?
I'm thinking about the whole thing, hon.
I'm giving it a very great deal of consideration, so bear with me.
In the meantime, my show is over.
Tell everybody out there, nighty-night.
Good night, America.
We love you.
Indeed.
Indeed we do.
That's it for tonight, folks.
See you tomorrow night.
Should be very interesting.
Dr. Evelyn Paglini on the dark side of magic from the high desert.
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