Gordon Lightfoot’s 19 albums and Grammy-nominated hits like If You Could Read My Mind reflect his emotional songwriting, while Soviet UFO researcher Paul Stonehill reveals KGB investigations into the 1908 Tunguska event (40-megaton "alien signal"), cosmonaut sightings of nine-foot underwater beings, and Chernobyl’s radiation drops after UFO activity. Stonehill warns of suppressed military research and potential threats from advanced entities, linking Soviet secrecy to global security risks. Meanwhile, Art Bell exposes Y2K cover-ups and Hanford’s nuclear waste "blob," threatening overflow in a 20-year-old tank, amid callers’ fears of explosions and debates on extraterrestrial life. These revelations underscore governments’ hidden agendas and humanity’s fragile grip on understanding anomalous phenomena. [Automatically generated summary]
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Gordon Lightfoot, as you know, I have played a lot of Gordon Lightfoot's music, and I mean a lot of his music.
It is absolutely beautiful.
You will recognize it immediately.
He's recorded 19 albums now.
19 albums.
Has five Grammy nominations.
See, I can't interrupt this.
I'm going to have to do this later.
It's too good.
You don't talk over that.
Five Grammy nominations, 17 Juneau Awards in his native Canada, 1970 in recognition of his contributions in furthering Canadian culture.
He received the prestigious Order of Canada citation in November of 1997, presented the Governor General's Award, the highest official Canadian honor, which is conferred on very few.
Joni Mitchell is another for their international efforts in spreading Canadian culture.
Well, it certainly has done that.
Most recently, Gordon Lightfoot was honored as a charter member of Canada's Walk of Fame, and I assume that's probably much like our sidewalk in Hollywood with footprints of the famous.
There are so many things you would recognize that he has done.
Some not, perhaps.
Early Morning Rain, Canadian Railroad Trilogy, Cotton Jenny, Sundown.
Sundown was something that really fooled me.
We're going to ask about that.
Shadows, if you could read my mind, of course, my favorite.
Carefree Highway, The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, so many asking about that.
Beautiful, Alberta Bound, and Ribbon of Darkness.
He has, I'll tell you, he has interacted his songs by people like Bob Dylan, Peter Paul and Mary, Ian and Sylvia, Richie Havens, Glenn Campbell, Ann Murray, Harry Belafonte, Elvis Presley, Elvis Presley, Barbara Streisand, and George Hamilton IV.
In other words, there's got to be something in Gordon Lightfoot's life that allows these kind of spiritual lyrics.
Like if you could read my mind.
I mean, what inspired that?
Can you tell me?
unidentified
Well, probably life's changes at the time.
I just know I was working on a whole bunch of stuff all at the same time and working in an empty house At that time, and it was just one of the songs that popped out.
And believe you me, the album was out for about eight months before anyone noticed if you could read my mind at all.
it hit me right between the eyes and i can only imagine uh...
it had to come from something in your life i mean these things that don't come from Where do these things come from?
In other words, when you come up with some kind of fabulous song like this that to so many means so much and is so spiritual, does it come from something that happened in your life, or is it just sort of a creative spiritual moment for you?
unidentified
Well, you know, it happened right around the end of my first marriage, which lasted for seven years.
You wrote a song, which I don't have right now, called The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
And knowing that you were going to be on the program, I got a million faxes from people who asked me to ask you.
They really, really are into that song.
And they asked me to ask you the story behind The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald and why you wrote a song about it.
unidentified
Well, you know, we made lots of new friends in the Great Lakes area as a result of that song.
And I do keep myself open to conversation with the people, you know, when they come to see us in concert.
Sure.
And one of the very first questions that I was asked was, what happened?
It was like, do you know what might have taken place?
I had seen it on the television.
I'd seen it on TV the night of the 10th, which was, God, I believe it was perhaps a Monday, a Monday evening.
It was just on the TV.
It had just sunk just three hours earlier.
I didn't give it another thought for really for another 12 days.
Then I saw an article in Newsweek magazine.
And then I went back and got the newspaper articles, the Toronto Telegram and the Toronto Star, and read up on the chronological order of this thing and already had previously stumbled on a chord progression for a musical idea that seemed compatible with the story.
But still no lyrics.
So I took that melody and I'd been saving it and I built a story around that.
Here's a facts I want to read you from somebody that I think you may understand.
It says, I, too, am an avid fan of Gordon Lightfoot art, and I've been for many years.
His appearance on your show next week will be very special for my wife and myself, not only because we love his music, but also because of the following reason.
My wife's brother was struck with multiple sclerosis in 1971.
By 75, the disease had progressed to the point of total confinement to bed.
He loved music, so I introduced him to the music from Gordon Lightfoot.
He loved all of it from the first time he heard it.
But there was one song that he especially loved.
That song was The Watchman's Out.
Art, I swear to you, the following is true.
Jimmy ended up in the hospital with complications, was in very bad shape, went into a coma, hung on for a few days.
While we were there, I walked out of his room and into a lounge area just for a moment to have a cup of coffee.
It was about three in the morning.
The lounge was empty.
There was soft music being played.
As I sat there, amazingly, Gordon Lightfoot's, The Watchman's Out, came on.
After listening to it, went back to Jimmy's room to give someone else a break and found that Jimmy had just passed on.
When I'm having a really tough time, my Sony C.D. Walkman and I get together and I'll just sit down for an hour and I'll listen to all my favorite music and it completely puts me in a new place.
you listen to the words after hearing what was going on, now you get it too.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Art Bell.
Gordon Lightfoot is here, and he'll be right back.
All right, once again, from Canada, here is Gordon Lightfoot.
And Gordon, you know, now that you've told me what you told me about that song, listening to the words, it goes click, click, click for me.
But I've got to tell you that before you told me what that was about, my interpretation and that of my wife, we are oh, so close, Gordon, we're really soulmates, and we have talked about what would happen if the other, if one of us, you know, were to leave the earth before the other.
And that song kind of resonated with me that way, that, you know, I'll never be gone, I'll never be free as long as your ghost is there.
I somehow took it that way, and I think everybody does that with music.
They put their own little mental print on it, and it means something very special to them.
unidentified
That sounds like a very acceptable interpretation to me.
Well, it sure was mine at first, and my wife's as well.
And then another surprise came along, and here's where I'm going to pin you down a little bit.
One of my favorite songs of all time, all time, is this one.
It's Sundown.
Let me just play a little bit of it, alright?
Because I really, really want to know what some of this song means.
This, and I never even knew it was Gordon.
Boy, was that a surprise.
unidentified
I can see you lying back in your seven rest.
In a room where you do what you don't confess Some down you better take care If that night you've been breathing'round my back stairs Somehow you better take care If I find you been creeping round my backstay Thank you.
She feels like a weed in the sailors breathe.
She don't say what she really needs.
Sometimes I think it's a shame that I get feeling better when I'm feeling no pain.
Now, Sundown, you better not come creeping around.
What does that mean, please?
unidentified
You know, I lived through a time when infidelity was a problem in my life.
And it was just there, and it was just that period of time the marriage had ended, and I was on my own, and I was finding out what it was like to see how the shoe fits on the other foot, and finding out that it could be reciprocal on the part of the woman as well.
And it's about, you know, there's some infidelity going on, and you don't want it to happen because it's making you feel bad.
and uh...
you know that it's going on uh...
i guess uh...
issuing uh...
you know or it is just to stay out of my territory to some of it to someone all that was really actually picking up the you know Picking up the gun and going after him, you know.
Being with Reprise, I actually was associated with Sinatra because he was one of the owners of that record company he was an amazing man i've seen a lot of movies about frank and the rat pack and all the rest of them and that was quite a thing uh down here just across the hill from me in las vegas they had quite a thing going well i cannot uh i wish we had more time uh is there anything you know they're listening all across canada now and
all across the u.s as well is there anything you want to tell all those folks out there well i just uh um you know be well just be well you're gonna just keep turning them out then huh i'm gonna try i'm gonna keep on playing uh as long as uh you know it's it's humanly possible because i i love to play i don't see why i should not yeah it's just one more question when you write a song do
you ever know it's going to be a hit i mean before it ever gets to the record coming for you ever recorded i mean you just know i i felt that way uh...
the front sundown i felt they had the beat and and and the pulse in order to they had a pretty good chance you know that had your life behind it to everything else was as thank you and uh...
unidentified
the guys from the high desert thank you artist in the or shall i say mr bell it has been all right let's face with good night i can see you're lying back in your satin dress in a room where you do what you don't confess don't confess and take care of you and i will be on the back and
i will be on the back
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I mentioned this lady to him, Lorena McKennett, whose songs I'm in love with, as well as Gordon's.
And his comment was, well, you know, she was there and then kind of gone.
And I thought about that, and you know, he's right.
Ramona and myself were honored to go to a Lorena McKennett concert in Vancouver, British Columbia.
And that's where my comments about Canadian audiences came from.
They were very respectful and clapped as you would at perhaps an opera or something.
I mean, very staid, but her music was just incredibly good.
And we saw her at the end of that tour.
And so Gordon Lightfoot's comment makes some sense.
She really has not resurfaced, and she's probably recharging batteries.
I know she went off to do that for a while, but I did expect her back by now.
So Gordon Lightfoot's comment was very interesting.
All right, coming up now in a moment is Paul Stonehill, who is a Soviet-born researcher of anomalous phenomena, a Soviet-born researcher, an independent consultant, lecturer, and writer, has lived here in the U.S. since 1973 after immigrating from Soviet Ukraine.
Paul has created Russian ufology, actually created the Russian Ufology Research Center, the subject of a special article in Omni magazine, the October 93 issue, if you want to look it up.
In 91, after years of intense research into the forbidden subject, the Soviet government had banned public discussion of UFOs until 1989, while its intelligence agencies and secret military research bureaus had been collecting data, files, and physical clues since 1917.
Wow.
The center has served as a bridge for the Russian CIS scientists, researchers, ufologists, and military personnel who want to share information about the past and present research of anomalous phenomena.
Most of the information has never reached the West before.
The center also helps investigate hoaxes and planted disinformation.
A collection of Paul Stonehill's articles and lectures on the subject was published as a book in Moscow in 1992.
This is going to be a very, very interesting man to talk to.
He graduated from CSUN, that's CSUN, in 1983, a BA in political science, later a freelance journalist.
Paul had covered military conflicts in the 1980s, Middle East, and South Africa.
He's also written extensively about Soviet espionage, covert actions, and Russian history.
Well, this is going to be really interesting.
Presently, his main areas of research are Russian and Chinese interests in anomalous phenomena and related areas, specifically military studies of UFOs, psychotronics, naval intelligence studies of UFOs, unidentified underwater objects, space defense programs, covert operations, and cryptozoology.
You know, it's unbelievable to me that this can happen this frequently, but obviously the phone company has done us in, so I will take the measure of injecting one additional word for you, which you can all hear.
At that time, the Soviet government let out a number of different nationalities because of pressure from the West.
Jews and some other ethnic Germans.
So we were able to go through the net, so to say, because my father was not by any means high official or anyone with secrets who could threaten the Soviet Union.
I don't think that the Russian army will stop because, like you said, they embarrass themselves and they have to show to the peoples of the South Russia and the Caucasus Mountains region that they can strike back, that they can keep control.
Unfortunately, I think Russia has lost all control over it.
And Yelton is just a figurehead.
And regional governors are exercising more and more control up to the point that they have their own, so to say, adopted armed units of the Russian army.
I think that under Yeltsin, Yeltsin is surrounded by more police agents and bodyguards and so-called praetorial guard than Brezhnev, let's say, would ever be.
The security apparatus has grown tremendously.
He has his own private army, so to say, and paratroopers in Moscow who will protect him from any uprising that there can be.
No, if Gorbachev's problem was that he did not have enough cajones, as they say in Spanish, to get rid of Yeltsin and the other two conspirators and keep the Soviet Union intact on the way to democracy, through slow reforms.
And of course, to make it easy, there will be threats to the West.
And it makes it easy because people don't have to work to improve themselves.
All they can look forward to is getting things out from the West.
Look, it's happening today.
Even Ukraine, actually my native land, even Ukraine today gets things out from the West just by simply threatening to turn back the Chernobyl power station.
And it's working out.
Russia is doing the same with nuclear weapons.
I'm sure behind the scenes they can tell our government, look, if we don't get this and that IMF loans, we may as well start selling nuclear weapons to such and such state.
I share your humble opinion, because without nuclear weapons, Russia right now would be just down in the basket with other third world nations, wouldn't it?
You see, Russia is a very strange planet to look at.
And because whatever money is being spent on the military ends up in the pockets of functionaries and bureaucrats and finds its way to West, to Switzerland, to their own private account.
It's true that the soldiers see very little.
Putrid fish and stale water, stale bread, while dollars and rubles end up somewhere else.
This is Russia today, and our government knows it.
Whatever wealth they have in Russia will be nationalized, and some scores of them will be executed, maybe public executions, because after all they stole from Mother Russia and from the people.
And after the euphoria will subside, the reality will dawn That basically Russia is in shambles, falling apart, and the future is very, very bleak.
The question is, what it's going to be like on the other end for us, our relationship with the new Soviet Union?
Is that what we have to think about?
unidentified
Well, I think it's time to get ready To realize just what I have found I have been on that path of what I am It's all clear to me now My heart is on fire
Lonely days, lonely days Where would I be without my wall?
There are rumors, lots and lots of rumors, that some of the suitcase nuclear devices the Soviet Union had are already out of the country, have been sold, and may be in the hands of Iran or Iraq or God knows who.
Also, I'm sure CIA has agents throughout the former Soviet Union because there's a power struggle underway in Azerbaijan to, you know, who would control the oil routes in Kazakhstan.
Well, again, if we get Lebed and we get the Iron Hand, what do you think would happen to Russia's foreign policy?
Internally, yeah, they'd clamp down and sort of do it China, where the economy, China right now is managing to crank up their economy, but they've still got a really hardcore communist political system.
There's no question about that.
I was there too, I know.
And so is that, do you think that's what Russia would do?
They try to keep some form of capitalism and international trade alive while clamping down internally or what?
Yeah, what I'm afraid about is whenever somebody like General Lebedev will take power, he will need brains behind him.
And the brains will be Primakov, that old KGB gentleman, I can't call him gentleman, a sly fox, who basically is the moving force behind the new Russian foreign policy.
And he is the one that is pushing the Axis, Russia, China, India, against the Western alliance, Western powers.
Limakov is very clever, very intelligent, and very much anti-West.
We have more black projects and black project money than you can ever imagine.
And it's just incredible what goes on here in secret.
I mean, the amount of money that is given out to certain projects in secret, and I guess that goes on in both countries.
But to see us headed back, you know, to the brink of Armageddon again, that's pretty sad.
I mean, I remember as a child when I was your age, around 13, 12, 13, even 11, in school, you know, we were all hiding under our desks wondering about an attack from the Soviet Union and the end of the world.
And if I listen to you correctly, you're really saying it could go back there again.
There was much more control when the Soviet Union was a great power because it was centralized and everything was checked.
Now, Yeltsin has a check over his army, for example.
He keeps them under control, but not localized units.
And if somebody goes crazy and reaches for the button, there's no way to stop him.
There are no military commissars over him or her.
And again, people did not starve in the Soviet army.
There were a lot of other crimes committed against them, but soldiers did not starve.
and had no reason to go wild like that young gentleman about a year ago aboard one of the nuclear submarines you recall that case when he Well, it happened aboard one of the nuclear submarines when a young soldier went berserk and he was armed and he basically threatened to blow up the ship.
Thank God that he talked more than he did and a sniper was able to kill him.
But the problem is that it's only one of many incidents.
For example, I found out very strange that few people in the United States knew about an incident that happened some years ago over Siberia where during a test flight of one of their new aircrafts and shooting of missiles, one of the missiles missed and landed about a kilometer and a half away from a nuclear power station.
So there was rumor that the pilot was actually drunk or maybe did not have enough food or incidents like this take place and we don't find out about them for a long time.
Of course, we all know about Chernobyl, and I've seen a lot of kind of interesting stories on, I don't know, 16 Minutes and some of the other programs about the status of Chernobyl, and it's like it's covered up, but it's all decaying and coming apart.
And they say that the containment they have it in may not last.
Do you think that that accident modified Russian policy, nuclear policy, changed anything at all?
I mean, here comes Y2K, for example, and the Russians have said they're going to wait and see what happens and then fix it, you know, if they see there's a problem.
Well, ABC News today carried an excellent story about how Russia is not prepared for Y2K and how we are going to help them.
$50 million worth of equipment just for the basic control over military units and some of the communications in case of a false alarm so no one pushes a button.
We were the seats in the Aeroflot aircraft, for example.
My wife was laughing about something, and she pounded the seat in front of her, and the person in front of her collapsed because the seat just went forward.
You know, they go either way.
They just flop back and forth.
and uh...
and when you went into the bathroom on the aircraft was all the news sticky you know if you choose were sticking to the floor the way the pilot flew the uh...
And then I got off the aircraft, and I looked at the tires, and they had holes in them.
I could see the tread.
I took pictures of it, as a matter of fact, put it on my website.
And you've got to sit down for a minute and contemplate what we were talking about just before the break.
And that is that we went to the former Soviet Union during that brief period of years when the information did get out to get information about Roswell.
You know?
Roswell, New Mexico.
USA.
I mean, you've got to give that a little bit of thought.
We're going to ask about that when we get back.
Once again, here is Paul Stonehill, and I was thinking about that during the break, that we would go to the former Soviet Union to get information on something that happened in Roswell, New Mexico, here in the United States of America.
And you know, our current president, it said that when he got into office, and I think we know this to be true, President Clinton said he wanted to know about two things.
The assassination of John Kennedy and whether we had any secret files or information and about UFOs.
He wanted to know about those two things, and as best as I know, he's not satisfied on either count.
So what could the Russians have known about Roswell?
Well, what the Russians knew, what the Soviet dictator Stalin knew, was contained in a pile of documents that he had shown to top Soviet scientists and academicians, among them Sergei Karadov, father of the Soviet space science, former prisoner of a concentration camp, and somebody who had actually later in his life witnessed a very strange UFO.
There is more to this story.
What our president may not know is that I think we also got out from Russia findings of the Beria expedition to the Dungaska site, the Dungaska 1908 very, very unusual explosion.
Now, Karalov was given access to the documents and he was also given an interpreter or two and three days to go through the documents and give Stalin his opinion on what UFOs are and whether these objects threaten the Soviet Union's security.
And he could not take a step out from the rooms he was given and the Kremlin.
He went through the documents and his assessment was that yes, UFOs exist and no, they do not present any immediate danger to the Soviet Union.
But I might repeat, Roswell documents, as far as we know, were among that pile that has disappeared.
I think that because we, meaning the United States, were able to get our hands on such documents, the United States Air Force was able to issue in 1994 its very funny, I should say, assessment of Roswell.
After Karaliov visited Stalin and went through these documents, all of a sudden he became an ardent supporter of a theory that the Tungaska phenomenon Was actually an explosion of an alien spaceship.
So he also sent an expedition to the site.
But we need to understand that Soviet secret police, the KGB under Beria, sent a more secret expedition back in 1949 to the site.
But what interests me is that a number of scientists and military people strongly believe that what happened, it was an actual explosion of an alien spaceship.
And if they have any evidence of that, physical evidence of that, then one might imagine they shared that information at some point with our government, and our government shared information with the Soviet government on this very subject.
I wonder what we imagine they might have communicated to each other.
I also need to tell you that our government, whatever communications have been going, and I'm sure there was a joint research, I have no doubts about it.
At the same time, the CIA was very much interested in Soviet UFology, UFO reports and such information.
That's coming through the classified files of the CIA that I went through.
And I must tell you that they knew much more than we don't even, you know, we can even guess now.
I went through declassified, not classified, but actually declassified files of the CIA.
Most of them, curiously, were declassified on November 16, 1978.
And that tells me something that they, meaning the CIA, must have received, must have gotten their hands on very interesting information before that to allow them to declassify fascinating information.
For example, one of the files mentions that in 1972 there was a commission created by the Soviets to study UFOs.
I know about many, no, not many, sorry, several such research committees, but none that would have been created back in 1972.
1978, as a matter of fact, 1979, yes, but not 1972.
Also, you need to know that back in 1952, the CIA actually asked all field stations to gather information about any hint, any mention of UFOs in Soviet media.
There was much more.
The information, you know, for example, let's go in 1989, 1990, the CIA sent a special team to the Soviet Ukraine, to the Academy of Sciences, to find out information from scientists about various research and to assess their interest in UFOs.
And of course, Ukrainian scientists told them that, yes, we believe something is happening, and quite a number of us want to find out what is the nature of UFOs.
You know, they were not, unlike many scientists here, there was a serious research, no, serious interest towards UFOs.
At the completion of our investigation in the United States, the now famous or infamous Project Blue Book, the conclusion at the end was that they may exist, and some of the reports remained unexplained.
However, there was no threat to U.S. national security.
So then, then, then, then the American statement and the Russian statement are American and Russian BS baloney.
Because there's no way things can be flying in our sky and over our missile silos.
In the U.S., we have many stories about that confirmed.
And I saw a 2020 report, by the way, on a Russian missile silo in which a disk hovered over and actually began to send the missile into a launch sequence.
And the story goes, and they told it on 2020, that afterwards they disassembled the entire control panel, ripped everything apart, all the wiring.
Nothing was wrong, but there was a disc hovering over this site.
And I go into details, names and dates, but I need just to let you know that the Soviet high command, for example, Had issued an order several times, not only once, to stop shooting at UFOs, that no military unit was to shoot at UFOs that buzzed above missile silos.
And whatever the aim of the UFOs might have been, they had proven themselves to be peaceful.
And that, you know, this is at one.
Russians were quite afraid of military acting berserk and shooting at UFOs.
It happened on some occasions with very sad results for Soviet aircraft.
But there was something else that's interesting that very few people know.
Back in 1973, over at the Institute for Nuclear Research in Dubna, this is one of the most secret Soviet locations, there was a UFO.
It came from nowhere, right above one of the most secret installations in Dubna, and stood, you know, a hovered above for a number of hours.
So there was a general in charge, a military general, and he panicked and he called Moscow and he says, you know, there's this metallic apparatus of unknown origin and it's immovable in the air.
And what the hell do we do?
He demanded instructions.
And Moscow, of course, Moscow, you know, replied that we control the situation, don't worry, those who are authorized control it.
They controlled nothing.
The UFO took whatever, I guess, observations it had to and took whatever information it had to and just went away.
And scientists came out and they jeered and they looked at it.
National security is to, I guess, to be sane as much as possible and to hold on to reality as much as possible and hide as much as possible because we cannot explain what the hell is buzzing over us.
Well, see, that's the thing we all think about here in America.
We think that our government knows about these things.
They, of course, know.
You said it yourself.
They know.
So then we wonder, well then, why don't they tell us?
And one of the reasons that we think they don't tell us is because they have no control at all over these things.
And since they have no control, governments love secrets and they would not admit to us that something is flying above us about which we have no control.
Again, it's in my book and also other articles I published.
I can tell you names, I can tell you dates.
What I find interesting is towards the end of 1970s, the intelligence service of the counterintelligence service of the Soviet naval forces had collected so many reports that they had to actually spend a lot of money just to study the reports and to send operatives into field.
And when I mean field, I mean underwater, to actually study.
Look, Azhaja, one of the most famous Soviet UFologists, was burned because he talked too much about UFOs.
So he was threatened and thrown out from his very nice positions as a researcher.
So who helped him?
He was a submariner before during the war.
So the naval intelligence gave him a very cozy position and told him, you write monographs for us.
You have to help us study UFOs.
And because of that, some of his naval bodies, like, you know, General Counter-Admiral Ivanov, let him see some of the reports they have and some of the research.
What I find interesting is the presence throughout Soviet history of gigantic cylinders that emit lesser-sized UFOs.
Once again, Paul Stonehill, Paul, I've talked to a number of members of our Navy, the American Navy, and they have told me stories of things rising up out of the water of immense size and of things moving through the water at immense speeds.
Do you know of any specific incidences that the Soviets were aware of?
Throughout, let's say in the early 1960s, Lieutenant Commander Alex Akalov, when he doing his submarines navigation, he has observed through a periscope an ascent, you know, rising up of some strange object through the water.
He was not able to operate it, but he does know that the speed was incredible.
Soviet sonar operators, military hydroacoustics technicians, were hearing at great depths very strange targets.
And the Soviet submarines were being chased by other submarines, except they were gigantic and the speeds were faster than any other similar vessel in the world at that time.
In 1982, there was a very interesting sighting up in the North Russian seas of an object that was about 125 meters in diameter.
Many more.
I can tell you about 1950s around Sevastopol Naval Base.
There is a picture in existence of this incident.
Right behind a Soviet military ship, the battle cruiser, the object sighted was some great ball that just rose from the sea and slowly went up.
1965, Soviet steamship Praduga in the Red Sea was able to observe also a fiery sphere that dashed out from under the water, just hovered over the surface of the sea.
I mean, others, so many, 1984, there was a very interesting observation in the Mediterranean by a Soviet ship.
But in 1982, the Soviet high command was quite alarmed when there was an incident when they tried to catch such a swimmer and being clad in silvery suit, call it whatever you want, swimming underwater.
And when the helpless Soviet divers were sent to throw a net against it, they were just thrown out at great speed, velocity, out from the lake, bottom of the lake, and they died as a result, you know, because they couldn't go through the deconstruction process.
Names, dates, I all mentioned them in the book, but also, I mean, so much has happened.
And this is, I love this research, because I know that the Navy was quite serious about this.
Somebody writes, going back for a moment to Tunguska, somebody asks about Tunguska, ask Apoll if he's aware of a report that gallium arsenide fragments were found in some of the trees at Tunguska.
Of course, now is used for light-emitting diodes, but they found some gallium arsenide in the trees at Tunguska.
I also have heard that they found so much, so many strange things back in the early 1920s that Stalin had to send an expedition, actually Beria, like I said, secret expedition to bring back results.
They knew it was a nuclear explosion.
They actually thought it was a thermonuclear explosion, and they wanted to know the difference.
And they sent this specialized team.
This is fascinating stuff.
I just got it from Russia.
And I wish we knew more.
But again, we don't know what happened to the files.
You need to understand, we talked about something in the beginning, but today in Russia, people are scared to even talk about this such information.
Going back to naval research, I asked Russian researchers through their website, I asked them if anybody knows what had happened to the files of the Soviet Navy, UFO research.
And if yes, all I asked them was to find out what had happened and if possible to publish in Russia, of course, any information so we all know.
And they told me they were quite upset and they said, next time, please don't ask such requests, don't put such requests on our website because we value our lives and we value interests of our country.
But to go back to Tungaska, what's interesting is that few people know about this in the United States, is that one of the Soviet astronavigators, Mr. Sternfeld, calculated that back in 1908,
if a ship was to leave Venus in order to get to our planet using the least energy output, it would have to leave exactly at the date when the explosion took place.
It's very interesting.
It's just one of the more fascinating information.
And we do know that in 1949, under this barrier expedition, you had KGB people who, among them geologists too, who were actually flown in to the site of the Farrington Mountain and to collect what was there.
And my God, they did collect a lot of information.
But what's fascinating is that they knew back in 1949 that it was a nuclear explosion over Siberia.
My opinion is very close to this one of Professor Zolotov, who was murdered in 1995.
And this is it.
The Tengaska explosion was actually an object of artificial origin.
And it was actually, it might have been a UFO bomb with a power of 40 megatons, which was exploded by an alien race to attract mankind's attention.
Some kind of a signal from another world.
But the aliens chose to explode it in a faraway wilderness so as to minimize the harm.
So somebody or something was trying to call attention of at least some of the humans, maybe those up in the government, to something that they wanted to inform.
Well, I think that those on top did get the message.
I just don't know whether, you know, how they're going to play this message out and what is it they're doing.
But so much has happened after that, behind the scenes and others, and others, that, you know, I'd like to find out more.
All we know, it's like a mirror that has been shattered in thousands of pieces.
And you and me, we can collect a few of the pieces.
And something was reflected in that bloody mirror, and we don't know what it is, because the pieces are locked away in KGB files or naval files or the CIA files.
Well, at one point, as you said, it was easier to get to the KGB files than it was to the CIA files.
We still don't really have those.
But we did get some KGB information.
Is it enough to convince a reasonable person?
We use that expression a lot in this country, a reasonable person as a standard that there is no question about the fact that we are being visited by some intelligence.
It was enough to convince a reasonable KGB functionary to collect at least 124 pages of such documents, which I have, for example, and I know a few other researchers do.
And enough, you know, going through such files to convince a reasonable UFO researcher that the KGB knew a lot about such reports, quite upset maybe by some of them, because KGB, it was not the KGB's role to collect information about UFOs, but they had received it anyway from their informers and case officers, and they had to do something about this.
You know, you're looking at bureaucracy.
You know, you get a report, you've got to do something about it.
So they file reports about gigantic cylindrical objects, as it mentioned before, strange clouds, you know, throughout the land.
Department of the Navy, Naval Historical Center in Washington, D.C., has a bibliography of unidentified flying objects.
You see, information like this exists, and we can all get to it through the Internet, for example.
And if you look at the selection that's being kept as a bibliography, it's astounding.
I could not get my hands on some of it about the Soviet Union.
But they have it, and they have it on record.
I don't know if we can get it from them, but it's there in Washington, D.C. For example, there is an interesting article from a very obscure publication that doesn't exist anymore, Soviet soldier in English.
It's called Paratroopers and Euphonauts.
Meaning like cosmonauts, euphonauts.
Yes.
So, you know, you can see that our Navy, yes, is very much interested in what the Soviet research knew and, I guess, are doing.
There is in this country now, for example, I've got a story in front of me, Associated Press, just released today, September 30th.
An anticipated collision over the Pacific this weekend is seen as the first test of a national missile defense system that critics argue could increase, not reduce, the nuclear threat it aims to stop.
Launching Saturday night from California is a Minuteman missile that has the potential to carry a nuclear warhead anywhere in the 50 states.
Some 4,300 miles away on the Pacific Ocean, a booster rocket will fire an interceptor if the two collide at a combined speed of 16,000 miles an hour.
The force would reduce both missiles to harmless space dust at about 140 miles above the Earth.
So we are working on this now.
And there are some people, Paul, who think that it's not necessarily the Soviets or, excuse me, the Russians that we are so worried about.
I think we're worried about beings or entities that take care of our spacecraft over Mars.
As an example, look at another report.
A few days ago, we lost yet another spacecraft.
And I've done a lot of research about the Phobos incident back in 1989.
And it's my deepest belief, shared by prominent Russian scientists, that there is something on Mars, as an example, that doesn't like what we're doing.
It's been, I don't know how many of them now, that blow up or, well, we get all kinds of excuses.
The latest one I felt was the most uncredible, which is probably not a valid word, but not at all credible, that we simply made a mistake in math and sent it too close to Mars when it was out of radio contact.
Well, I imagine there are going to be plenty of those.
Believe me, plenty of those.
So stay right there, Paul, and we'll get back to you.
boy From Russia without so much love, I guess, huh?
Sounds just like us, doesn't it?
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And if you have any questions at all for Paul, we're going to open the lines and let you have at it.
I've done that for about two hours, and I could keep doing it, but I'm going to turn it over to you, and we'll see what you have to say coming up next.
All right, we are about to go to the phones with Paul Stonehill, but here's something that somebody wrote for Paul to comment on.
It just says, hmm, I wonder if in order for us humans to communicate with UFOs, we would all have to accept and believe in them.
And if that is the case, the people in power would not want to ever openly admit UFOs exist, because if they did that, mankind would accept UFOs as real and communicate with them.
It would begin, the communication would begin, and they, meaning the government, might lose their power.
Kind of makes sense because aside from the government, those who stand to lose the most would be, for example, the church.
And these are the very same people that seem to irrationally deny that they exist.
Looks like we're stuck unless those who do believe manage to steal one or get one and plop it down on the steps of the Capitol at Washington, D.C. What do you think, Paul?
As I mentioned, in case of Tungaska phenomena, I do think, in my opinion, that it was an extraterrestrial object.
But generally, based on my research, maybe my interest in this whole research, I tend to believe that there is something at the bottom of the oceans that is trying to interact with us or to at least to study us.
I mean, if you thought there was something at the bottom of the oceans.
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Well, personally, you mentioned the concern about Christians.
Well, I'm a Christian.
And so my observation is this regarding the UFO phenomena.
I find that people who believe and groups that believe that UFOs are of extraterrestrial origin also tend to also believe in the Ouija board and spirit guides and similar type phenomena.
If you were to become convinced that UFOs are in fact extraterrestrial, and that in fact they may even account for our being here, how would that affect your faith?
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Well, to be honest with you, depending on how you were to interpret or state that they were a human origin, assuming, let's say, that they actually were the cause of our human origin.
I was fascinating with the research that had been going on conducted by, again, the secret police and the military and the naval people and Air Force pilots, simply because these people are better equipped than anybody else to study the phenomena.
Well, many of them actually, you know, came in close contact with UFOs, were destroyed, sometimes captured a few things.
None of them lost any beliefs that they had held in anything.
They continued on as being Soviet officers, maybe not devout Marxists.
None of us, I guess, were in the later years of the Soviet Union.
But no beliefs were shattered as a result.
Deep, profound impact sometimes, but that's about it.
Well, I would think a devout Marxist might not have so much trouble accepting their presence or even their presence as our Creator at all, as would a lot of American Christians.
My first question is, well, it is my belief that we are being visited by extraterrestrials.
We have been for probably many thousands of years.
And my question, two questions would be, do you think that we're being visited within our solar system, or do you think they're using some type of wormhole in space to come from great distances?
And two, since there are many different reported shapes and sizes of UFOs, do you think that we're being visited by more than one species or races of extraterrestrials?
And, you know, this thing about the NASA and the security, I'm beginning to wonder, if you were under direct orders of NASA to maintain security, and let's suppose that the top management in the government has got messages from these aliens to say, if you divulge this, we will do very damaging things.
But you wanted to get the message out, wouldn't you try to put it out in kind of a coded way by giving really stupid explanations?
And my question to Paul is, having come from the Soviet Union, they may be a little more familiar with tacit resistance, resistance to direct governmental authority.
And Paul, if you were going to resist something where you knew you spoke out directly, you could be bodily harmed, would it seem reasonable to put out explanations through management that might slide through or some other kind of tacit resistance things?
And do you know of any other incidents either in the U.S. or Russia where really silly explanations come out from very intelligent people that would kind of like make claims that would make you very skeptical at what you just heard?
I interviewed Gordon Cooper, U.S. astronaut Gordon Cooper, not more than about two weeks ago, Paul.
And he talked to me about chasing disks over Germany.
No question about it.
I mean, he was in a high-performance jet, and he was chasing things that he had absolutely no explanation for.
And I know your cosmonauts also, your cosmonauts, I'm sorry, you're here now, that Russian cosmonauts also have seen a lot of things, not just the angelic presence, but they've seen other things as well, haven't they?
And Salute 6 space station was cursed or blessed with so many sightings by different cosmonauts.
For example, Yuri Ramanienko and Georgia Grechko back in 1977 had seen an object that was chasing them.
It was definitely a small metallic body.
And they even had like a drawing of it.
That's one.
A lot was happening in 1978.
By the way, the same year that the CIA declassified a whole number of files on Soviet geophology.
I still am trying to find out why.
So something was, definitely Soviet cosmonauts had seen a lot.
A lot.
For example, on August 28, 1978, there were four cosmonauts.
Two of them were East Germans.
And they had seen an object that, a gigantic object that was kind of flying around the station.
1981, wait till you read my book.
There's a whole section about the 1981 case and what had been seen, a close contact, so to say, between Soviet cosmonauts and beings from another spaceship.
This is not hearsay.
This information was leaked to the West some years ago, many years ago, and I was chasing after a film that was taken aboard the Salut 6 station of the whole incident.
I think, yeah, whatever was available, I believe, I had seen once, once.
And I have no doubts.
I have a photograph that was given to me by Professor Burdakov, who himself is one of the top Soviet uh space scientists who has no doubt doubts about existence of UFU of Oser.
He gave me a picture of the Soviet Buran shuttle and when it was being loaded, I guess, aboard one of the aircraft, you know, they took pictures of the whole scene and when they developed it, they found out black balls flying, black spheres flying around.
I didn't realize that we didn't have a link up to Paul Stonehill's book, but that's being taken care of right now.
Of course, it's at Amazon.com, but here in a few moments, I think we'll have a link up.
I just spoke with Keith.
So, you're listening to Paul Stonehill.
You have a rare opportunity to ask about the other side.
And while we know a lot about what's going on and has been going on here, we know very little about there.
All right, it's done.
That's how fast Keith is.
Actually, we've got two links up for Paul Stonehill right now.
One is The Soviet UFO Files, and that'll take you right to the book and the paranormal.
And Encounters Behind the Iron Curtain.
We've got both of them up now.
So if you want to buy the book, and I bet you do by now, you can go to my website, www.artbell.com, scroll down to the name Paul Stonehill, and click on, I would suggest, I guess, the first one, the Soviet UFO files.
That'd be a very valuable book for anybody to have.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hello.
Hello.
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How do you do?
Good evening.
And vra sweete, Paul.
That's a bad Russian, but anyhow, I hope you can understand it.
This is my question.
I am also from a Navy family, Naval Academy graduates all around.
And I'm wondering if the Liberty incident might have a connection with what you're talking about.
And this is why I'm telling you this.
I had a conversation with an officer who was in the Mossad.
And he also, by the way, originally was from Russia, or his family are from Russia.
Very well connected there for the Soviet Union.
In any case, he said that the reason the Liberty was attacked in 1967, with the Six-Day War, was that they had an underground facility, sort of like an Area 51, underneath the Sinai.
And they were doing the experiments with the anti-Gravitic craft.
And I wondered if you know of anything of, whether this is just disinformation, because as the sister of one killed on that ship, me, the survivors, are all trying to find out why this happened and why it's so blacked out 32 years ago.
First, I believe that there are certain parts of our governments, and it transcends all nations, that are in league with certain aliens that have been on our planet for many centuries.
And they are in the process of trying to come out of their own genetic dead end that they are in.
And in the process, they're doing the genetic experiments and crossbreeding experiments and abductions.
No, and I don't think I've ever heard of human body parts falling from the sky save a plane crash.
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If you'll go into some of the Reader's Digest Mysteries of the Unexplained and some other books similar to that, you'll come across many accounts of them.
Even the Soviet attempts to create a so-called super-fighting biological machine and send it to the moon have failed.
Again, I have quite a lot about it.
Even about the KGB's attempts to use the lunar horde to have somebody come along on the lunar horde.
The point is, they had been very much interested in lunar research, but I found, in my opinion, they had not done it together with the Americans, unlike their Martian expeditions.
And the Phobos expedition to Mars was definitely a not Soviet expedition in itself.
It was a joint operation, and JPL knew minute by minute what had been happening.
Much of the equipment of the failed Phobos probes was created in the West, France, Finland, a few other states.
It was a very, very curious expedition mounted by many states.
And it was one of the tasks of the expedition was to test a new laser on the surface of the moonlet.
And I guess whoever is up next to Mars or on Mars did not like it.
If there is anybody else out there, and I believe there is, and they had been observing us, meaning what we're doing, what we have, all the atomic and hydrogen weapons that our countries possess and probably are getting closer every day to using, that if I were making a judgment about whether I wanted us flitting about in space, I don't think I'd want us out there yet, would you?
And as a direct result of it, the so-called joint human expedition to Mars back in 1989 was crushed by whatever being is up there, whatever sentinel may be waiting out there.
And I wanted to ask Paul, have you been in touch with British intelligence and had a chance to go through the KGB files that were smuggled out, the vast amount of KVG files that were smuggled out?
I think the man's name was Mitrokhin.
Why would they be in touch with me?
Immigrant.
Well, yeah, I understand.
I was wondering if you had any idea if those files contain any information about ufology or From what I had seen of what Mr. Mitrohin did, they did not.
But they contained enough information to get out Soviet agents and traitors.
And I hope, by the way, I really hope that we get all of the information from the files.
Because a few people in the United States may feel heat under their feet, and they should.
Because they were traitors to their own government.
And I know that some people in California, from what I had read, should be named.
No matter how high a position they hold in a certain political party.
I mean, I've for years I've lived in the United States, and I had to fight when I went to college, when I went to, you know, to receive my education.
I had to fight to so-called Soviet sympathizers.
Actually, not so-called.
And when I would tell them that the Soviet Union is bloody prison of nations in a communist concentration camp, they would tell me, no, you are not being honest about it.
And some of these bastards, I know, then they grow up and become big shots in industries.
And I remember them quite well at Cal State Northwich.
I attended and a few other places.
And they would laugh at me and they were quite uncomfortable with me and people like me like.
You know, less populated areas, but areas that contain a lot of military bases and secret installations, definitely.
I think one of such objects crushed back in 1981 over the Kola Peninsula, a still very secretive place, and the Soviets had recovered it.
In 1981 was a very curious year in itself, and Soviet ufology and Western ufology.
And Americans had always been interested in the northern parts of the Soviet Union and what has been going on there, the CIA and I'm sure our defense intelligence.
Oh yes, many reports in the Soviet Union.
Even the KGB files mention them.
And then you have files of the Navy, Naval Research.
I'll give you a date, 20th of September, 77, in the White Sea of Russia, a submarine, a very highly effective submarine, staffed by engineers, military engineers.
No small fries.
They had observed a sky that, I mean, something in the sky, like a small star that turned into a gigantic cylinder as it approached.
And again, this was a cylinder that would emit small P-shaped UFOs that would buzz around and go back inside the mothership, I would say.
There was a report about it done.
Another, October 7, 1977.
This one is even more sinister.
This was a Soviet base, so-called floating submarine base in the Baryon Sea.
In my book, you will meet about, you know, that cylindrical, gigantic cylindrical objects had been seen.
Back in 1953, there was a very interesting case over Siberia, well reported.
I even have drawings, by a scientist, imprisoned scientist, who was a hell of a guy, fearless, hated communists, and was one of their top scientists at the same time.
Well, up over the tundra, he had observed this gigantic cylindric-like object, and the KGB came over, actually, rushed in to study it, but because of the effect, biological effect, you know, done by this object, they ran away, but they forced the scientists to stay on and study it.
Hilmas died, and then the Soviets actually sent, I think, three aircraft against it.
And although the order was, don't shoot at such objects, they did shoot, and as a result, they still don't know what happened to the planes.
All right, we are going to open lines and talk about anything you want to talk about, but I've got some pretty strange stuff to lay on you, and so I'll do that, and then we'll open the lines next.
All right, I've got a couple of things I really want to get on the air here.
One, I hope we can get a link to it.
Keith Rowland, are you listening?
I sent you a link to this.
It's in the Portland Press Herald, and I had a phone call about it last night, but I was afraid to air this because I, you know, to go further with it last night because I didn't have confirmation of it.
Well, I've got the newspaper story in front of me from the Portland Press Herald.
And the headline is, front page, state keeps Y2K report secret.
Subheadline.
Officials pay $600,000 for the study of Y2K readiness but citing security.
Order there be no written report.
Now, let us think about that a little bit, alright?
They paid the better part of, well, certainly over a half million dollars, anyway, $600,000, a lot of money, for a Y2K readiness report, but they said don't put one damn word of it on paper.
They took the report vocally and then closed the lid on it.
Now this is on the front page of the Portland Press Herald.
Now I'm look, I'm still, I want you to know, I've got an open mind on Y2K, but it's crap like this.
It scares the stuffing out of me.
Why would they order a Y2K?
You know, obviously not to panic the public in some way.
Here's somebody on the front page who is quoted as saying, you know, in response to this, I guess they interviewed some people.
Having a report that's not in writing so that it will not become public just feeds the public frenzy that something is being kept from me.
Frankly, it sounds like it is, end quote.
Marge, and I can't make out Marge's last name, but I mean, this is on the front of the Portland paper here.
Why would they do that unless there were things that they did not want us to know about the readiness of one city?
I don't know, something about it.
Then I've got another article here, looks like front page, Seattle Post Intelligencer.
And it's entitled Nuclear Blob Grows at Hanford.
That's right.
Nuclear Blob Grows at Hanford.
So in a moment we will get to that report.
How would you like to look and feel 10 years younger in ten weeks?
We already did that.
Let's get to the report now.
A giant radioactive, they call it Scoffel, S-O-U-F-F-L-E, SOFL, is rising toward the top of a million-gallon tank of nuclear waste buried near Richland.
Richland, Washington.
Great.
Whipped up by unexpectedly, an unexpected action, I guess, by a pump that was supposed to instead dissipate pockets of hydrogen gas, the waste has smothered one tube for vapor sampling, threatens other instruments, could eventually, they say, overflow, according to officials of the Department of Energy and the contractor in charge of that tank.
Now, that would be a Lockheed Martin Hanford Corporation.
They are rushing to pump some of the waste into another tank, possibly within a month.
In May, workers stopped the growth, at least temporarily, by lancing the crust with high-pressure water jets.
But the hole they made is beginning to close.
This is fairly worrisome stuff from my point of view.
Very worrisome stuff.
A giant bubble.
In other words, they put in a pump to ensure this kind of thing wouldn't happen, and instead of relieving it, it actually caused it.
So they've got a blob, a nuclear blob, growing at a million-gallon tank at Hanford.
You remember Mr. Hoag last night started out saying that we are addicted to this lifestyle of overextending ourselves and the only way to save the planet is to get back in touch with what's supposed to be.
Okay, well, Boy, yes, we have talked plenty about it.
And I don't mind that you call, but to repetitively come in under cover of some other subject and then revert to that every single night, I will not tolerate.
So you make up your own mind out there.
If you want to contribute to the program, you're welcome to do it.
If you are compulsively driven to talk only about your alcohol problem, then we're not going to continue with you.
Actually, what I'm calling about is that prediction that Ed Dames made seven or eight months ago, that in July or August, using his remote viewing technique, he interpreted one of the quatrains of Nostradamus to mean that there would be an attack on a U.S. stadium.
But on the other hand, he's hit a lot of them here recently.
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Yeah, I just think it's important when he makes a prediction like that and it goes by and nothing happens.
I think you ought to, especially when he's on, you ought to take him to task on it and point it out because I remember that show and when he was making that prediction, you spent a lot of time talking about it and saying, oh, this is going to be, this is frightening, you know, get the kids out of the room and all that.
And, you know, you ought to devote at least some time, you know, when he's wrong, to, you know, to talking about that.
Now, check me if I'm wrong, but it did come from the sky.
It is mosquito and bird-born, right?
Mosquitoes biting birds and then people.
And the press has gone out of its way, unusually, to indicate that this thing has never been seen in North America before and was confined to Africa as if in great puzzlement.
I mean, that is true, right?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Hi.
Yeah, all right.
It's Tony calling from Vancouver, British Columbia.
I just wanted to lighten things up a little bit and talk about a comment you made when you were going into some of your bumper music a while ago with ABBA.
I mean, you could not detect them from a bunch of LA Valley girls.
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That's true.
But I think the reason for that is, and you've had neurologists and people like that on your program, and it might be worth asking them about this the next time you have one on.
But it's different centers in the brain responsible for speech and singing.
With reference to your first question, not very likely.
With reference to your second question, Mel's Hole.
You know what?
I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
To sit here and try and explain the saga of Mel's Hole to you would be impossible, but it just occurred to me that this is a program that we could probably cobble together.
We did a couple on Mel's Hole.
And maybe one night as a repeat program, we'll put Mel's Hole on and we'll let you decide for yourself.
It really took several hours for the story to unwind.
And it was absolutely riveting and intriguing about a very, very deep hole in the ground in eastern Washington, potentially an endless hole.
And I think we could probably cobble together a couple of shows and get a full five hours on Mel's Hole that would absolutely astound you.
I will make that request to the network and see what we can do.
So that's it in brief, but the minutiae of that story is astounding.
And so I'll see if we can get it on the air again.
I have heard from Dr. Reed and his partner, and they will soon have more information for us, and they've got my number, and as soon as they're ready to go public, I'll give them airtime.
So when I get the call, you'll get the story.
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Okay.
And the second question, some time ago, that computer program that you have, and you said you have to focus your mind on it and try to clarify one picture as it forms on the computer?
Got a couple of facts here that are kind of interesting.
Andy in Los Angeles says, hey, Mark, you know why the Dark Ages happened?
Why?
1K.
And then maybe from Coos Bay, Oregon, something not quite as humorous seems to come from a power company at the request of a customer that says we've been getting a lot of calls from our customers asking if we'll still be able to deliver electricity to them on January 1st, 2000.
and the answer is a very definite probably we'd like to be difficult to be Definite probably.
We'd like to be able to give you a 100% guarantee, but it's just not possible in this situation.
We've been working on the various parts of the Y2K problem for over two years, and we're at about 99% now in readiness.
It's probably simplest to view our systems as two groups, those that are involved directly in our ability to provide power, and those that are not.
The first group would include things like switching equipment, remote metering, monitoring equipment, diagnostic equipment.
Those are the things most critical in actually delivering power.
That group of systems is 100% ready for the year 2000.
But the second group would include things like our internet computer systems, inventory systems, billing programs.
Those systems are about 98% ready for the year 2000, and we expect to be 100% by October 1st, 1999.
That would be tomorrow, right?
But keep in mind that we don't generate the power we sell to our customers.
That power is generated at dams on the Columbia River by the Bonneville Power Administration, or BPA.
So we have to rely on them to keep the power flowing to us.
And they seem to be on top of their situation.
They've had a plan in place for several years to deal with Y2K, and they're even a little ahead of schedule.
If you have internet access, it gives a web page and so forth.
So I really like the way they opened this up with regard to the chances of having power.
And the reason why is this, I belong to a Christian religion who have believed that there are as many inhabited worlds as there are sands on all the beaches of the world.
That we are far from being alone.
And also that the next world we go to, if you're righteous, you're right here on earth, just on a different plane of existence.
It is the traditional difficulty in finding any song.
And believe me, I have spent countless hours, if not days, racking my brain, calling up people who I know, who know any record, and humming to them with limited and sometimes no success at all.
Okay, alright, as long as you accept that, then your view is fine.
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The thing that I wonder is, you know, we have brothers and sisters.
Why can't he?
I know that our Bible teaches that there's one and only, but what if we went to another planet and we found a Bible there that had the Adam and Eve story that was similar?
In fact, really, to contemplate what you just suggested is incredible.
That might be the biggest surprise of all.
Imagine the shock.
Imagine the scientists going berserk.
Imagine NASA swallowing hard.
I mean, we finally make it through hook or crook or a black hole or whatever, and we get to some other civilization.
I mean, we pop out on the other side of a black hole in a machine or a spaceship or whatever, and there is a planet revolving with obvious cities lit up like a Christmas tree, you know, kind of like Earth must look like.
And on it, we find beings very much like ourselves, bipeds, you know, all the usual features, right?
In the range that that man talked about.
And when we investigate their belief system as we begin to communicate with them, we find a record either identical to or nearly identical to our Bible.
That would have as big an impact as the other possibility, wouldn't it?
That was the one intro she used to begin talking about what you want to talk about.
You're right, though.
Yes, she said that.
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Right.
Well, I just kind of wanted to point out to her and maybe to a lot of other people, I think you had it on one of your shows before, if that's the only problem with Y2K.
I mean, I believe our nuclear plants need electricity to cool.
And I presume that they are going to look at things enough ahead of time so that they will begin to turn them off if they think there's going to be a problem.
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Right.
Well, I did some research, and I believe it takes probably four months to cool a nuclear reactor.
And they don't think that they're going to have enough backup power to actually run the entire plant.
It says the waste in the tank produces unwanted hydrogen as radiation bombards organic chemicals that were added years ago in what officials now say was a mistaken strategy to reduce the waste volume.
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And what do they say is going to happen if it does reach the surface, this bubble?
And she was saying that we can change the outcome of So would you ever consider putting it in your, or implementing into your program at a specific time every night that everyone put out goodwill towards the planet?