On September 28, 1999, Coast to Coast AM’s Art Bell and Nostradamus expert John Hogue debate Y2K prophecies—Nasser Damas’ October 1999 eclipse warning, rainforest deforestation risks (60% of Earth’s organic matter), and water wars like the Euphrates’ 75% diversion by Turkey’s Ataturk Dam. Hogue links solar flares, supernovas, and a 3797 "mini Big Bang" to ecological collapse, framing humanity’s self-destruction as avoidable through consciousness shifts. Skeptical callers challenge prophecies’ accuracy, while Bell warns of mass helplessness from doomsday predictions, concluding that survival hinges on individual awareness over blind faith in apocalyptic timelines. [Automatically generated summary]
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Period.
And then I guess on the way back.
And of course, worldwide on the internet.
And before that end, I should like to thank Broadcast.com for the distribution and the Intel Corporation for the magnificent map that allows the G2 program, which means you can go to my website, download the G2 program, it is free, come back to my website, click on Streaming Video.
It's all on the left-hand side of the webpage there.
And here I will be.
You'll see me and hear me doing the show.
So you get a little bit of the visual and what I call almost television.
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Also, WFBA, 1230 on the dial in Fredericksburg, Virginia.
Welcome.
WMLB in Monroe, Louisiana.
Where I once worked.
Where the accents were so thick that you couldn't even understand the song that people were requesting on the air.
And I used to listen to some of the accents and I'd say, okay, we'll play that.
Lying my tail end off because I couldn't understand what they were saying.
KXMR, welcome 710 on the dial in Bismarck, North Dakota, as we continue to fill in what few little holes exist in coverage anywhere, anytime, and approach, of course, the magic number of 500 affiliates.
500 affiliates.
God, if you really think about it, it's scary.
Anyway, as I said, bad news for North Carolina.
Just as it was beginning to recover from the damage of Floyd, North Carolina today endured, check this out, six inches of rain is threatening homes, putting portions of towns, entire towns, underwater.
A couple of weeks ago with Floyd, they had 20 inches of rain.
And so you can imagine the condition the ground is in.
I'm sure you've seen the pictures on CNN of whole, entire towns inundated, underwater.
And now, without a hurricane, six more inches of water.
Boy, North Carolina.
Who did you mistreat?
Tragic.
Indonesia will face serious consequences, it is said, if it fails to ensure the success of the UN-sanctioned peacekeeping mission in East Timor.
Well, that's interesting.
How can it ensure the success of the UN-sanctioned peacekeeping mission?
I don't get that.
If it could ensure success, it would have done so on its own, one would think.
A rare African strain of encephalitis that's already killed four around New York City could spread now, they're saying, to other parts of the country as infected birds fly south for the winter.
The virus is transmitted to humans by mosquitoes that have bitten infected birds.
New York City and New Jersey have been spraying pesticides to kill mosquitoes.
Scientists in southern states are testing dead birds there for the virus.
The African strain has never before been seen in the Western Hemisphere.
Great.
Just great.
More than two weeks of air and artillery strikes and the deployment of Russian soldiers around the borders of Chechnya have raised a stark question, is Russia on the brink of yet another protracted bloody war with the breakaway Republic of Chechnya?
The disastrous 94 to 96 war against Chechen separatists still haunts Russia.
About 100,000 people were killed, 100,000 people, according to some estimates, and the reputation of the Russian army in the process was shredded.
Russian troops took months to capture the Chechen capital, Rosny.
Soldiers were poorly trained in lead.
Corruption was common.
And it was just an all-around bad deal for the Russians.
But of course, the bombs have been going off in Moscow.
I guess this is a reaction to that, but it's rather worrisome.
Remember, in Russia and the former Soviet republics, there's More atom bombs than a reasonable person could count in days and days and days and days.
Hydrogen bombs.
Want things to really get out of control there at all.
So we're going to have to watch that one very, very carefully.
The Supreme Court agreed Tuesday to hear the constitutionality of a federal law that allows rape victims to sue their attackers.
In other words, a test of how far Congress can go in fighting sex discrimination.
Very interesting.
The justices who have curtailed Congress's power in recent years will decide whether a former Virginia Tech student, Christy Rosakwa, is it, can sue two college football players under a provision of the 1994 Violence Against Women Act.
She says they raped her.
The Federal Appeals Court threw, by the way, out the lawsuit, saying Congress's power to regulate interstate commerce and assure equal protection to all citizens did not authorize it nor allow it to have rape victims sue their attackers for financial damages.
Well, why not?
In fact, really any crime committed upon you seems to me rape, assault, burglary, you know, whatever might be why in the world would you not be able to sue for that?
If somebody bashes your head in, you can sue for that.
So if somebody rapes you, why can you not sue for that?
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You know, when I started doing this radio program just, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that.
The conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
And all of a sudden, I woke up.
I simply woke up.
Is that what happened with you two?
Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
Here's the three options.
Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
There's no doubt in my mind.
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I can't think of a time where also the world was in total chaos.
You know, people are weirded up, and I'm beginning to wonder if there's something on this planet that's affecting people's brains.
I believe that we are in uncharted, tenuous, tumultuous, unprecedented times.
You know, wake up.
Something is happening globally to this planet, and it's not normal.
It's just not business as usual.
Now we take you back to the night of September 28, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
And I suppose all they've got left is their sense of humor.
But you've got to admit, that is funny.
Somebody said that to me in email, and I simply couldn't resist.
Oh, boy.
Scientists believe there is a strong possibility that they will find new life forms if they drill down into a lake buried four kilometers under the East Antarctic ice sheet.
I mean, here we've already got this African thing that's never been here before, killing people in the Northeast.
Drill down into a lake buried four kilometers under the East Antarctic ice sheet.
Now, if they find new life forms, life forms come in many a variety, don't they?
Little crawly things, big crawly things, little tiny things you can't even see, probably from billions of years ago.
I don't know if this is such a good idea.
It's like going to another planet in a lot of ways, and just sort of bringing back a bunch of air and water and dirt, whatever you find, and opening it up in the lab and subjecting yourself to whatever it may be.
Actually, some researchers say, with respect to what they'll get, it may be as far in the past as 35 to 40 million years ago.
35 to 40 million years ago.
They say this could have provided a unique opportunity for life to develop along a separate evolutionary path.
Now again, I say, let's think about this a little bit.
Life which has formed using an entirely separate evolutionary path.
Now, what makes you think, or the scientists, that such life is going to automatically, as Brown and Williamson, be in love with us?
It might not.
Be following this story very, very, very carefully.
Any life found down there would have to be pretty tough, you see.
It would have to be capable, for example, of withstanding extremes of cold and pressure and survive in waters that are completely dark and contain few precious nutrients.
Nevertheless, here's the quencher line.
Scientists are confident some microorganisms could inhabit such a hostile world.
Great, huh?
And here is somebody who's been a faithful listener and is going to take me to task for about seven years, he says.
It's from Larry.
Art, I've been a faithful listener for seven years.
One thing that bothers me, though, is your sometimes very inconsistent position on things.
I'm just the kind of person who likes things to be logical.
Other night, you were talking about how cynical you've become, with which I agree and concur.
It's true.
An hour or so later, a caller was complaining about what this country has become, and you dressed him down like a drill sergeant to a recruit.
I remember.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you said something like, this is the greatest country and the greatest system in the world.
And quote, if you don't agree, you should travel.
I always tell people that, and see how the rest of the world is, blah, blah, blah.
To me, this is extremely illogical.
How do you reconcile these opposite points of view?
Simply.
Very simply.
I am cynical for a really, really, really good reason.
Because I have been given lots of reason to be cynical.
Our government lies to us on a rather consistent basis.
However, I stand by my other statement.
Now, I've been around the world a few times, actually, into a lot of different countries, and I'm telling you, what we have got is by far and away the best.
Far and away the best.
He has it as good as we do.
Nobody.
But that doesn't mean that I do not, even within this greatest system in the world, become cynical about our government and some social practices that we now have in this modern day and age.
I'm very cynical.
But make no mistake about it, I still think we're the best there is.
There is nothing better, as the old saying goes, we're not perfect, but we're the best thing going.
Something like that.
Anyway, open lines this hour, next hour, John Hoag is going to be here.
And John is a Nostradamus expert in the period of Nostradamus.
1,000 Predictions for 2000.
I think that might be the title of his book.
I was supposed to get the book here, but they sent it to the network, so my network has the book.
I don't.
But that will not matter.
A thousand predictions for the year 2000 or for 2000.
You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 28, 1999.
The love that you're driving, all of a gonna be written down in history, a kind of like Romeo and Juliet.
I'm gonna buy the pretty presents, just like the one that I said I want.
I'm gonna show how much I love her, let her know one way or the other.
The love's gonna be written down in history, a kind of like Romeo and Juliet.
I saw her again last night.
And you know that I should go hard.
If I could never warn you, what can I do?
I'll go to the pool and the liquid and the liquid of the snow.
I've been waiting all over my head Now she thinks that I love her She's the best one I think Though I never think of her What can I do?
I'm all with you And it makes me feel so It's in love You live the home She's got me Every time I see that girl, you know I wanna lay down and die.
Cause I really need that girl Oh, I'm giving a lot Oh, I'm giving a lot You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 28, 1999.
And to stay here, you may need to make it through some rather interesting times coming up.
And before I get into any great detail with regard to that, I'm supposed to do this.
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I can't think of a time where also the world was in total chaos.
You know, people are weirded out, and I'm beginning to wonder if there's something on this planet that's affecting people's brains.
I believe that we are in uncharted, tenuous, tumultuous, unprecedented times.
You know, wake up.
Something is happening globally to this planet, and it's not normal.
It's just not business as usual.
Now we take you back to the night of September 28, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Well you must have called for a reason other than all this.
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I did.
I actually this is only the third time I've tried the show.
As I told you before, like I when you have guests on either the person that called before me would ask what I was going to or I didn't feel I necessarily had anything to add to the show.
Well, what happened is I kept seeing people run past me so fast you couldn't make them out, and I chased one, and he just disappeared, you know, went around a corner.
And next thing you know, well, I was blocking the sidewalk, and a couple days later, they ran the other way.
And this evil wind with his swoosh, you know.
And then one day I was in a grocery store a few blocks from my house.
In fact, we both did in Las Vegas about a decade ago.
And what has become of Billy?
Anyway, good evening or good morning, depending on your time zone.
I'm Mark Bell.
Coming up shortly is John Hoag.
He's generally acknowledged to be one of the world's experts on Nostradamus, and there is a lot to talk about.
We are in the time of Nostradamus, aren't we?
Dead smack in the middle of the time.
And I contend between now and the spring of 2000, we are going to be in for one wild ride.
But we'll ask an expert about all of that shortly.
Let's see, I've got to do this, and we'll talk about this, this little stinger, in just a moment.
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Thank you.
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You know, when I started doing this radio program, Jesse, half of the subjects I was really into, the paranormal, the unusual, ghosts, and things like that, the conspiracy stories, you know, I was a little weary about these, other than the Kennedy assassination.
And all of a sudden, I woke up.
I simply woke up.
Is that what happened with you two?
Yeah, that's when I really started to say, what is going on here?
And I started to truly then investigate 9-11.
And today, I don't believe the government story of 9-11.
Here's the three options.
Either we knew about it and allowed it to happen, or we knew about it and participated in it, or these were the dumbest buffoons that could have ever been in charge of our country who could have all this pre-information.
And I started to think they knew it was going to happen.
They either are part of it or they allowed it to.
There's no doubt in my mind.
Now we take you back to the night of September 28, 1999 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
All right, that little tone is driving a lot of people crazy.
Not a lot, some.
And so I suggested, well, it could be anything.
I mean, we do that for our Canadian friends.
We have so many Canadian affiliates.
And so that's for them to know when a commercial set is coming up.
It could be anything.
It doesn't matter.
Somebody wrote to me, my suggestion for replacing the stinger for Canada would be to use the sound of the cat screeching when its tail got stepped on.
How long do you think that one would last, huh?
You know what happens to people who have cats on their lap when I play that?
You've never seen human skin shredded, have you?
Cats react in a strange way to that.
All right, now.
Comes John Hope.
What lies in store for the world as the millennium approaches?
Fire?
Famine?
A world in chaos?
Or?
A world in peace?
The eradication of hunger and disease.
The coming of the fabled age of Aquarius promising virtual paradise on earth?
Prophecies, are they the crazed musings of lunatics and madmen?
Or the grim portents of doom from the lips of seers whose vision pierces the veil of time itself?
That's profound.
Renowned prophecy expert John Hoag has collected a thousand, one thousand such predictions for the days to come.
Listed by subjects of topical interest to our times, as all humanity sits poised on the brink of a new millennium, are we headed for Eden or Armageddon?
He was very specific about talking about July of 1999, and then following that up with a description of an eclipse that would happen at the end of a cycle of centuries.
And then he goes about describing where the shadow of the moon would pass over Europe, over Flanders, and other areas.
And as we said last week, in 1555, just the ability to see something that we take for granted, but would be simply fantastic in his time.
The great skyscrapers and the half-moon coastline of Bombay or the great skyscrapers of Shanghai, all going black, blacking out all at once.
And seeing such a thing, he might misinterpret his signs and elaborate, expand on it, and think, my God, the world has gone in blackness, the movement of the cars and everything, gone.
And maybe he has overshot his visual sight.
It may certainly see huge areas of Asia, in fact, right even today they're talking about the red phone between the Pentagon and the Kremlin still is not Y2K compliant between Russia and America.
Now, I know that there have been problems with, oh, John, how to put it, reports that are not wholly truthful that have been given regarding our nuclear power plants.
It's very much when I lived in Asia and every culture has its different positives and negatives.
And one thing I found was kind of a cultural given was that often things, they wait until it goes bad, and then it gets fixed.
In power outages that I experienced in India and other places, with living there and knowing how sometimes things are done, I'm not very confident when I hear people say, oh yes, it'll be all ready when the time comes around.
It's almost like, and let's rub our rabbit foot, you know.
Well, I do think there will be some large-scale power outages in the third world and the former Second World, the Soviet bloc.
I think, I always felt even years ago that America would probably go through relatively good times with it.
Not too many problems in the major super system grids, but what's the big unknown is the little guy, you know, the little businesses, people who just haven't had time.
No, and that kind of brings back the statement of Nasser Damas about sudden reversals.
You know, the stock market seems to me at least to have been tremendously inflated for years now.
I just look and shake my head in disbelief when I see it looking like the NISE average 10 years ago, approaching 11,000, 12,000 points.
And some of my contacts and psychics and others are seeing a collective vision that we've got about three more years of this illusion, this bubble, before it has to go through a major correction.
And it may probably be triggered by ecological stresses that might overtake the insurance industry because of hurricanes.
But while we're on that subject, I read a story earlier, I guess you heard it in the first hour, about these plans these scientists have to drill down in the Antarctic and retrieve organisms that were here 30 or 40 million years ago, 30 or 40 million years ago, and developed as life and somehow survived this incredible cold and they're thinking of bringing the mop and i just
It's kind of chilling in how it parallels some prophecies about mass global plagues that cover the entire northern hemisphere, one that Nostradamus talks about.
And it seems to be in around our times.
I mean, one of the big mistakes we may make and hopefully learn from is we keep going into the unknown regions of the rainforest and pulling microbes out of there.
We now have encephalitis, western Nile mosquitoes on the eastern seaboard.
We have the Great Collider in Long Island, which actually parallels some of the potential interpretations for Edgar Casey's prophecies about the destruction of New York.
Oh, for those who don't know about that, the collider is going to do something that has never been done before.
They're saying they're going to create a mini Big Bang.
Now, the Big Bang was really big.
It accounts for, it is said, everything that is now that we can see and touch, Earth, Sun, all the planets, everything else, all the other stars out there, in other words, all that is.
And there's also Edgar Casey looking in his future life.
He had a visionary dream where he saw himself born in Nebraska in the year 2100, and he was taken by these scientists with very thick glasses and long beards into a cigar-shaped silver ship, which hovered over the new coastal areas of Nebraska, which are now the Pacific, and the ruins of New York City, which were just being rebuilt.
And as it says in my book, 1000 for 2000, they were being rebuilt.
It couldn't be clear whether it was destroyed in a war or by some disaster.
And hopefully the scientists who are making bets on this one in November when they're going to start up that machine will be as lucky as the scientists standing in Alamogordo in 1945 who were betting 50-50 with Oppenheimer that the atomic bomb would start a chain reaction and burn up the atmosphere, that it will not do anything like that.
But I'm just wondering how little a black hole you need to cause a rather large explosion.
Well, a lot of times we wonder, John, why we don't hear other civilizations yet by radio or whatever.
Well, maybe they all develop along similar lines until they get to the point where they can, for example, we'll just use this as an example, where they can create a mini big bang and irresistibly, inevitably, they push that button, just as we will.
Do you remember they were talking about, the scientist was there talking about the probability of such a complex system as they had constructed on this island functioning properly without disaster occurring?
And he was saying it's impossible.
It's going to occur.
Eventually, at some point, a disaster is going to occur, and all the dinosaurs are going to get out.
Well, I said in the last few years that I had a sense that I would know clearly what it was if July came and went.
And it was such a clear prophecy that I already come out with what I think is at least my interpretation of what the King of Terror is.
And it's you've got to understand that Nasr Damas is often using people sometimes to hide things, and things to hide people in his strange, codified, nebulous form of prediction.
And so it was never clear if the King of Terror was a person or a phenomenon descending from the skies.
And so with that said, and looking in general at the whole dearth of prophecies from other traditions, I have to conclude that the King of Terror descending from the skies is our climate going out of control.
It's global warming.
And perhaps the Antichrist is in some respects our anti-consciousness.
To explain that further, it would be, you know, up to this time, Art, we've had been able to pretty much muddle along.
And we could rely on what we did in the past to get some enlightenment about how we can deal with challenges that come up to us in the future.
But with the coming of this new millennium and the coming of the 21st century, we're facing challenges that our past has never experienced.
Yes, but they've always had a certain finite quality.
They've never been so globally pervasive.
They've never...
That's a full billion people in 12 years.
The estimate is another 11 years we'll see the 7th billion child, and another 11 years after that the 8th.
And so it's not like they're new challenges, but maybe it would be better to say they're more magnified by our numbers and by our need to consume resources.
And this magnification, multiplication of the problem is going to face us with untold challenges where the climate is going crazy, the fish are running, we're emptying the ocean of fish, the phytoplankton, which are really the basis for a lot of our oxygen creation, are threatened.
We have the population is now invading the rainforest, which as the Amazon Indians used to say, the tropical rainforests support the sky, cut down the trees, and disaster will follow.
That's a pre-Columbian tribal statement.
We've never cut down the rainforest before, so we've never seen what that might do to change the climate.
We've never released all the unknowns.
60% of the organic matter and life forms of our planet live there.
So 60% of viruses and diseases we've never known before live there.
We've always gobbled up the food or destroyed the range, but now there's no kind of new world to go to.
And so we're kind of facing a habit of, well, there's always another hill to go over, but we're really in a reality of, no, there's no more hills to go over.
And so in a way, looking to the past ways of doing things will be less and less workable.
We're going to have to kind of look at it all new again.
And a lot of people aren't ready to do that.
And as the Hopi prophecies talk about it, they talk about how in the purification of the world that's coming, and according to their final warnings, we're basically right on track for it.
And they've just recently come out with new warnings about how the sun is out of balance again.
And it may enter into a solar flare-up that may be the biggest in 500 years.
So that will trigger probably Nasser Damas' prophecy about the great drought that covers the 48th latitude, which is where all the northern hemisphere grain belts are.
And, you know, given the fact that in a few decades China will need all the current food that we can, grains that we can export just to feed itself alone, we are heading for some unique challenges.
And this is just really recent science, but it's hard science.
It has always been thought that our sun is extremely stable, and that it always has been, and that it is decaying at a certain rate, and billions of years in our future, which we always tell our children, our sun will someday wink out, stop producing enough light to support life here, so forth and so on.
And it'll just sort of slowly peter out.
Well, unfortunately, astronomers are now seeing suns just like ours, thought to be extremely stable, suddenly giving off bursts or CMEs so strong that they sterilize every single planet around them.
Well, you know, Nastradamus gives us a little hope on that line.
He describes the sun going haywire and devouring the Earth in a huge conflagration.
First, it sends out energy that dries up all the waters and kills all the life on the surface, and then it basically, with huge meteor showers and flames, and then it basically devours the sun.
But then it says that in his prophecies, and this is in the epistle to Henry II, his king at the time, he said, but that Mars will continue its revolutions around the sun.
What makes this prophecy interesting is it's dated for the year 3797, which is just under 1,800 years in our future.
And even though many astronomers would take umbrage at his timeline, thinking, as you said, we tell the kiddies that we have several billion years, he gets the volume of our little yellow dwarf right.
Whether it's billions of years or 1,800 years, when you're asking somebody who's going to be around, at best, 70 or 80 years more with some of my younger audience, basically they go, who cares?
And I mean, that's just one view, and that's just Master Thomas' view.
And he's not always right on his dates.
Maybe it is sooner.
He also talks about a huge meteor the size of a mountain one square mile in circumference that crashes in the Aegean Sea and sends 900-foot tidal waves up the Arno Valley into Florence, and they splash over Mount Olympus.
But I would tell those young people that there's something just around the corner that is going to affect their lives, and that's like the fossil fuel supersystem collapse in 2010, the potable water collapse by the 2020s, the grain belts collapse.
It's highly likely, especially over the Temple Mount.
Whenever I hear that, you know, there's also a lot of prophecies concerning how the people, you'll know its time is coming when it looks like peace has finally come.
That's the real dangerous period, because those forces which for thousands of years habitually don't want peace there will then make their move in some terrorist action.
And it would behoove the people who love peace to not let a handful of madmen pull them down.
And it's still, there's always a possibility of it.
I mean, you were talking earlier about being a cynic with all these things happening.
In a strange way, I'm also cynical in a different way.
In sort of what I might call a kind of a cynicism of Dharma, if you will, where you kind of see where there's just certain things that can't be fixed if you fix them the way people try to fix them for thousands of years.
Because it doesn't work to fix them.
Because they're always, you know, people are always trying to end war out there.
They're trying to make the world work.
The real problem is me, not this thing out there.
It's you and I. That's at least how I see it.
It's like we haven't dealt with the war going on inside our own consciousness.
There are, John, and you can figure out how to comment on this or not comment at all, but there are plenty of people out there who believe that there are certain organizations or groups that understand that fully well and have plans to reduce the population to the area of about 2 billion at the appropriate time.
Well, whether there are people out there planning it or whether our own kind of collective sleepwalking towards that future will do it, I think I doubt that we can get through the first half of this next century without billions of people passing on because we just can't sustain what we're doing.
And, you know, humanity can either choose to either control our numbers and change the way we behave to kind of soften that blow, or we'll just have to go through that blow and then the survivors will be wiser and maybe we'll create a better society from the pain rather than from the understanding.
And that's always been the cycle that's shown in prophecy.
Well, if we choose to think like mice, read like mice, pollute and consume like mice, and I used to be a pest controller, so I used to deal with mice populations.
Yeah, I mean, I used to, in eastern Oregon, there was this town built there, and it was like there were suddenly all of these mice that lived in a harsh climate that suddenly had all these mobile homes to hide under, and they had all this food available, and in a way they behaved like an affluent society, modern human society.
They suddenly, the litters that would not survive the summers or the winters suddenly lived and got fat and spread a more, a weaker genetic pool.
Well, and then what happens is that when mice overpopulate, or like lemmings, some disease comes through, nature just kind of eradicates them, or they get all freaked out and continues out.
And the only way to stop it as a pest controller was to control their numbers so that they didn't overbreed and stress their super systems, if you will, of food and water and shelter and then kind of endanger themselves with large-scale plagues.
But on the other hand, you're going to certainly want to keep your eyes open.
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Is that what happened with you two?
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I can't think of a time where also the world was in total chaos.
You know, people are weirded out, and I'm beginning to wonder if there's something on this planet that's affecting people's brains.
I believe that we are in uncharted, tenuous, tumultuous, unprecedented times.
You know, wake up.
Something is happening globally to this planet, and it's not normal.
It's not business as usual.
Now we take you back to the night of September 28, 1999, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
All right, back now to John Hoag, who's generally acknowledged to be one of the world's great experts on Nostradamus.
And John, what about the people out there who say, and I will say it for them, ah, these prophets, even the good, supposed good ones like Nostradamus and Edgar Casey and all the rest, come on, give us a break.
There's only one thing that's going to happen.
God will dictate when that will occur and no man shall know the time.
And the only problem with that argument is you don't hear the opposite argument.
You don't hear what the Hittites said about Deuteronomy or the Canites when Moses made those statements.
And you know how it is with an argument.
If the only data you have is from the group that supports one side of the argument, it's a little, it's, you know, it may be true, it may be not true, but objectively speaking, it's a bit subjective.
It's open to interpretation.
It may be open to a certain prophetic bias, what I like to call propaganda.
In other words, their attitude is, well, if it's all going to end, you know, whether they happen to believe in the next life or not, there's not a damn thing I can do about it.
So in a way, I agree with them, but in a little different, in a funny way, like I was saying earlier about a certain kind of spiritual cynicism that I support.
You know, we can't really do anything about the big abstracts that are overwhelming us.
It's really the wrong way to transform it.
I feel more and more after, like, I've been around the world like you have, I've at least three times lived in a lot of strange, unusual places and seen how different cultures deal with things.
And I just, it really comes down to that there's no way, if you look at history, the collective attempts to fix things haven't worked.
I mean, at the best that we muddle along, but, you know, wars haven't ended, hunger hasn't ended.
These things haven't ended.
So I feel more and more like the real transformation is individual and can only be individual.
I can't do anything about what my government is doing, derailing the world or whatever, but I can do something about me.
That's at least the new theory that I'm testing in my own life as a subjective scientist.
That is, someone who's using certain means to unlock how I tick.
I mean, at least I can take care of me and see what it is about me that contributes my little vial of war and hatred and fear and uncreativeness to the world, and also to see what little contribution I make to make the world better, even if it's a little thing.
Well then, you should be particularly concerned, as should I, because you relay some rather dire prophecy, and you've got to imagine, I have, that you are contributing to the collective consciousness a concept of helplessness and inevitability that actually drives reality.
Well, unfortunately, in the medium that we're currently working in, and also in TV, the difficulty always is that, I mean, at least on your show, I sometimes get a chance to speak for hours on the subject and at least not soundbite it to death to a point where it's pure sensation rather than any statement.
We can at least talk about things.
That's why I love doing your show.
And I agree with you that a lot of what we've been speaking over the last hour and a half is pretty scary.
And all I can say to that is to the people to just read the full book because everything I've got in there is counterbalanced.
All the fearful stuff is counterbalanced by many of the same prophetic traditions also seeing an alternative future, a millennium of peace, a fantastic future for us if we can just get over the next 30 years.
Well, you know, imagine, you've got to understand if he's seeing people that are not of this earth, he may give them a definition that is, he uses the word actually not demonic but monstra which can mean divine omen or monstrous looking and I can imagine that if I were speaking from the 1600s 16th century and and and looking into my little water bowl
and getting in a trance and seeing human beings meeting some other extraterrestrial life for the first time.
But just as we were talking earlier about misinterpreting a blackout in Bombay, a man from the 16th century might misinterpret descriptions of fantastic, angelic, or monstrous-looking people as extraterrestrial civilizations that humanity may deal with in the future.
Well, the other thing is that the big hurdle coming in the more distant future is humanity dealing with genetic revolutions.
And, you know, it's sort of, there's certain things that happen in future history that are sort of unavoidable because of certain steps we've taken.
For instance, a hundred years ago, if we were sitting at the blacksmiths thinking about the future of the horse and buggy industry, we might think, wow, you know, isn't it terrible that the car is coming?
And, you know, for better or worse, it couldn't be stopped and people tried to stop it in those days.
Let's say that you, John Hogue, could have a being, a human being, minus emotion, minus even perhaps some degree of self-awareness, minus a lot of human traits, and yet still of a human body, which would be an absolute virtual, don't worry about it, rest of your life slave for you.
A genetically created slave, which would do your bidding, do your work, provide you with everything you wanted.
And these are the things that people in the future are going to have to sort out, just like when Nostradamus, 450 years ago, was telling his king in a letter, you know what, this sounds unbelievable, let me tell you this, you and your kind will be deposed, executed even.
A human being with every single body part, which would match yours, save a brain.
There would be only a brain stem enough to keep this thing alive until you needed, say, a liver or whatever.
Yeah, I know.
Now, you say now, no, no, no, no, so horrible, but if you needed the liver and you were dying on your deathbed, and they said, well, do you want this or not?
As me, as a 20th century man with my 20th century conditioning, I have to own up that I have a hard time with that.
But in my 30 years of studying prophecy, I have constantly had to encounter my limitations in seeing things that will come that are so alien to my understandings, to my sense of morality.
It happened in the past to prophets.
It's happening to prophet interpreters today.
It's imagined.
I mean, we could look at many, a number of themes that would be horrifying to us in the distant future that people might bless, like the end of sexuality.
Well, hopefully, virtual reality will save us in this level.
But I know, I mean, it's pretty mind-boggling.
I'm not saying I agree with this whole list, but it's like I have to report it as a prophet scholar.
There's some pretty wild things out there that...
people in the future may think God how did they ever live without having no sexuality the little machine with a button right well you know it's one of the things I think that makes people so fascinated with the whole metaphor of the Borg I was horrified and fascinated with the Star Trek.
I mean, you can have an orgasm, but there is no machine that I'm aware of yet that will provide you.
I mean, they do say, well, you could go to an area of the brain that does that and, I suppose, implant something and then have a little button you could push.
But like the, you know, I think they did an experiment with rats and cocaine.
There's a certain prophetic flow of evolution that may see us eventually unlock the secret of how thought works and how thought is the basis for creating physical realities.
Now, if that, by 500 years' time, is understood, just like we understand electricity, you could see where people over time, if thoughts are the source of things, then certain sensations and realities could be achieved by bypassing the usual physical, more traditional ways that we achieve them.
in food there's prophecies that are showing that people will stop eating in the future because they'll get their energy directly from light and of course Yeah, I know.
On the other hand, there's something about thy neighbor.
We're about to talk about that.
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John, there are others who have said in the far distant future, they imagine mankind to evolve to a state where we actually no longer possess, need, or have physical bodies at all.
And that could happen in, oh, 4000 A.D. 4000 A.D. Yeah.
Yeah, that's their prophecies concerning that the human being, and again, gets back to the idea of how if the human being has unlocked thought, the nature of thought, how it may create reality, then at some period of time, the whole reality of being in a body will come up as a controversy, as something to encounter.
How, you know, if people in the year 1,000 could see our cities, could see our clean streets, our clean bodies healthy compared to people of medieval times, they would have seen us and perhaps did see us as the people who were translated into paradise.
And that's the wonderful thing about studying prophecy for me is trying to get into the heads of people to see their perception of tomorrow and how that changes.
I mean, in Nostradamus, The Complete Prophecies, I finally had enough room in a book of a thousand pages to look at how you take famous quatrains of Nostradamus and you look at how the people in the 17th century saw it, the 18th, 19th, 20th.
And what you're really seeing is how is something about people in the past.
Often when you're looking at the future, the future is a mirror to reflect where people are at in their past.
I mean, and that will cause another set of interesting challenges and perhaps even revolutions.
You might have people going to the barricades for age reduction rather than just food and water and the basics that people went to the barricades in the French Revolution.
It's also usually translated into the, well, when the Messiah returns and we have the thousand-year millennium of peace, that's in the Old Testament and New Testament.
There are references to people living and dying at age 100 would be like people dying at age 18 today.
You know, it'd be thought to be too soon and too short, that aging would almost disappear.
So even the biblical prophets perhaps had a vision of this issue.
And perhaps also another thing to consider is the revolution that it'll do to euthanasia.
What if people just don't really die except for accidents and untimely deaths of that sort?
What if in the natural process of life you lived hundreds or even thousands of years?
What at a certain time would the soul want to just leave that body?
And if that were the case, people in the future may have a very different view about euthanasia than we do today.
And there's funny, there's a lot of ancient future twists to the future.
Some of the things that are very ancient, like tribal culture, may actually have a renaissance in the future.
More communal societies may happen.
The nuclear family may not survive.
I have a whole chapter about how the nuclear family may undergo a travail that brings back the extended family where people do help each other more.
I mean a lot of the and it goes with the cycles of things.
If we go in a cycle where we're kind of in a what some people might call a selfish cycle of me first, my family first, and you know we get to the top of the ladder and it doesn't matter.
We're kind of all kind of competing against each other.
That might actually, with the coming 30 years of dislocation going on in the world, the emergencies that happen at a time may create generations to come that will be more interested in working together.
And also with the nuclear family suffering like this, you also see something like 3,000 co-housing organizations across America now, as people pooling their resources together almost tribally.
I mean, tribal is a strong word to use for it, but you could see where, give it a century or give it even a few decades, and give with the situations going on with certain potential breakdowns of our super systems, given that there's these negative prophecies about global civil war, there's also prophecies that counter that saying, yeah, if there's a global breakdown, then your neighbors suddenly you all get to know each other, you all start to work together.
I mean, when we had an earthquake here in Seattle once, you know, I got to know a lot of my neighbors when that happened.
People often in dire emergencies, some of the best potentials come out.
Altruism, sacrifice, helping each other.
We might have to become pioneers again, like our great-grandfathers and mothers in America, because we won't have the systems that you just push a button and get the things, won't be able to go down with QFC.
We'll have to pool our resources and be together, and that could have very positive results for the future.
Unfortunately, coming out of a dire situation, but there's always a good that can come out of anything, even the worst situations.
War, but he uses the word, there's a link to that in that July 1999 prophecy where he implies war by using the word Mars, the god of war, or the Martian planet.
But it would be premature to just use one definition in the occult jargon of that.
I mean, Mars has two definitions, basic definitions.
Its lower aspect is war, loss of temper, arguments, thinking, acting before thinking.
And the same way with astrology, an adept astrologer who has the gift of speaking the language of the stars and conveying it will get a lot farther than somebody who just doesn't know.
It's just numbers and planets.
The thing about Mars and about the warrior, yes, Mars is the warrior, but there's two kinds of warriors.
There's the warrior that kills, and there's the with the spear, and the warrior that penetrates the truth, the spiritual warrior.
And both are implied in the final line of that famous prophecy.
Before and after Mars rules happily.
I see it as another classic situation of a prophet hedging his bets according to two destinies, one that's destructive and one that's creative.
And, you know, a lot of people who don't like or skeptical about prophecy say, oh, well, you know, they're always hedging their bets, the prophets.
And I say, yes, exactly.
If you're talking about future potentials, how else can you be than to show you here's the positive and the negative potential of the actions you commit today?
Absolutely hedges, because we are the ones that are making that future happen.
Well, there are a whole lot of his prophecies, 800 plus, that are open to interpretation because he wanted them to be open to interpretation.
Fine.
Because, you know, for the very reasons where I'm being clearer about certain things in the future which are very shocking, he wanted to coax it, as he said.
He said, for a long time I withheld my pen from paper and kept silent because of the harm that I might do.
If people of my present time could see how their current fantasies and expectations and religions and governments would be so vastly changed in the future, they would damn their own future.
And so I decided to cloud my work in nebulous wild poetry.
And he did that probably for some other reasons, too.
Some pretty bad people were interested in his prophecies, like Joseph Garibald's.
And if it wasn't for his powerful friendship with the Queen of France, he would have been killed.
But he did die in his bed, which was quite an accomplishment for a person in his career.
But in the future, too, he was also concerned that something he would say, if he said it too clear, might warn somebody like an Adolf Hitler or a Saddam Hussein to do something a little differently and make the future worse.
Or again, I asked the same question I asked earlier, and that is that how can you be sure that the dire prophecies and predictions on the dire side that you relate to people don't in fact, through the mass collective consciousness, actually set it into motion?
It is one of the main ethical issues that I deal with in this profession.
And it is definitely a possibility, and that's why I hope that the people listening will not just listen to what we're just touching upon here, and will actually read my books and read them completely.
Yeah, but because there's so much myopia in this particular genre of prophecy, because of this old training that everybody has of, well, of course, my Messiah is the only one that's real.
But you know, there's all this finger pointing from all of the prophetic traditions.
So in Messiahs, I try to look at how they share hopes and expectations of transformation of the world, and also how they share a lot of religious prejudices.
And it's going to be quite a controversial book, and it's going to be in four color, fully illustrated with a lot of cutting-edge illustrations.
All right, when we get back, some more of the predictions, 1,000 of them, for 2,000, and then we'll open up the phone lines, and we'll let you talk with John Hove.
I'm Art Bell.
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I can't think of a time where also the world was in total chaos.
You know, people are weirded out, and I'm beginning to wonder if there's something on this planet that's affecting people's brains.
I believe that we are in uncharted, tenuous, tumultuous, unprecedented times.
You know, wake up.
Something is happening globally to this planet, and it's not normal.
It's just not business as usual.
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Internet's just, it won't be in the box on the screen.
Maybe not even in another century will pass before we're all like Johnny Mnemonic.
Or actually, that's what I was saying earlier about the fascination-repulsion that we have often through the metaphorical borg of the Star Trek universe.
Or maybe the attraction-repulsion we have to Garth Vader.
The cyber human is an issue that we're going to have to deal with.
And they deal with it much sooner than anyone imagines.
So it actually brings the challenge of us being more responsible and more aware of our consciousness.
As we become more interfaced with our reality and our machinery, the issue of who we are, our soul, our being, becomes even more important than it really is now.
But suppose it doesn't work, and socially we don't keep up with it, and we have the ability to make bigger wars, kill faster, kill easier, kill cheaper, to use a Pentagon or warp, a Pentagon expression, and we keep acting as we are now.
Well, you know, it's, as you were saying earlier, a certain point, if we keep acting the way we are now, we're going to be like one of those stars out there that may have been communicating to us, but they just didn't get past this barrier that all civilizations have to surmount.
I also feel that just because of chance and just because of the luck of things, that there must be some out there who did.
And obviously, we may actually be seeing them in our skies.
I mean, it is, you know, evolution, it is a certain conceit that we have that just maybe that conceit has to be destroyed so that we can really survive.
And the conceit is that, well, we're humans.
We're, of course, we're God's chosen.
You know, we're the center of the universe.
It wasn't very long ago that people thought the earth was the center of the universe just a few centuries ago.
on that the fun moved around it and galileo dot a lot of the relief for the funny thing is that if you actually look at a chart of the universe we are In other words, we're out in the middle of nowhere.
You would think that if they were well motivated, which we can hope, that if they did figure it out, they would go searching for others to help them make it through, others that otherwise would not make it through.
I mean, many people who believe in the Pleiadian ideas think that human evolution is 50 million years old and we're basically a hybrid experiment or a spread of colonists from Vega and from other stars.
I think we definitely have to be open to that possibility.
My question is, is in his research on Nostradamus, did he ever come up with anything dealing with the Illuminati or, you know, the Trilateral Commission?
And if you don't mind, what your views on all that is.
In other words, all the secret societies out there, might as well throw the Masons in, all of these different secret societies, the Illuminati, these societies that are supposedly holding earth-shaking or changing secrets.
There's also the Ashoka, and I might as well bring the East in the East in as well.
Masudamus is very careful, at least in my understanding of his old French, to not hint a lot about what his associations with his own secret groups were.
And one could understand the problem of being a Christianized Jew, dabbling in shady, on-the-fringe legalities, spiritually speaking.
He wanted to be an almanac writer, which probably would have gotten him burned at the stake.
So because the story goes that he came from a line of doctors, his grandfathers who were doctors convinced him that he could kill two birds with one stone, as it were, and be a doctor, which would make him politically correct to use astrology because they could defend it because it's in the Old Testament, the use of stars and whatnot.
So he was very careful.
Certainly you can see some indications that he was a Neoplatonist and a Hermetic, involved in Hermetic mystery schools.
And if he was involved in secret societies, they were of an occult nature and not the kind that we're talking about here that are interfacing with political change as well as spiritual change, like the Tri-Ladder Old Commission, the Query of Sion, the Ashoka 9, which some people believe influenced and used Hitler as a medium.
So maybe the rapture everyone's looking for is that kind of an upgrade.
I have another thing for you.
What do you think?
I like your concept of the leveling of the playing field.
If we put everything into a better perspective, I think the mass consciousness of everyone will click into the right direction.
When we think of Antichrist and those that Nostradamus predicted and different ones saying these would be the Antichrist like Napoleon and Hitler, well these were men who had a certain spirit.
Well Jesus and different ones like you're going to write your book on the Messiahs and I think that's wonderful.
I'm looking forward to it.
These were men who had a certain spirit.
So if you level out the playing field then you'll understand that even people like Nostradamus however he viewed the future there are those who can alter the future.
If the future were written in stone, the past would be written in stone and the present would be written in stone and we would just be stone.
Life is unpredictable in many ways and it seems like our society have for a lot of good reasons but at least the way I see it is that every new child is brought into the world as a tabla rasa, an empty page.
And for all good intentions our parents, our priests, our pedagogues try to give us identities or structures which we need and perceptions of spirit, economical understandings, all of that.
But in the job often what is given is borrowed and often the child is not given a chance to think and explore on their own because it goes against the society perhaps.
And you look at a lot of the great thinkers, even spiritual catalysts of new religions, and you can't really say that any of them were very traditional.
I mean Jesus was not a traditionalist in his time.
People used to think back when the world's mainstream religion was Mithraic, Persian religion in Rome, they had all kinds of outlandish ideas about what the Christians were doing in the catacombs.
Eating babies, things like that.
The same kind of stuff that you see.
I mean, that's one of the other fields that hopefully in the next decade I'll be writing a few books about new religious movements.
This has been something I've been studying since 1980.
And this is one of the main reasons why I've been traveling around the world, encountering directly, experiencing directly, these so-called cults.
And because of the possibility that one of these cults or some of these cults may be the new religious mainstream ideas of the next thousand years.
But see here, sir, here's the problem that I have.
And I'm not saying you're not the Antichrist.
You may well be.
But one night, not long ago, I opened the line, the Antichrist line, and I had a full night, a whole show, full of people claiming to be the Antichrist.
Not perhaps as serious sounding as you, but some of them quite serious.
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So, how are we to know?
Unless and until you come and visit me and I show you reams, literally reams of information, and ancient bricks from Atlantis, because Atlantis is buried here in Otoka, Oklahoma.
And other signs that I have here and research that I've done and explain my birth, my six fingers, and so on and so forth.
And it may very well be that St. John of Patmos, who wrote the book of Revelation, was honestly thought that the Antichrist would come, as he says in the scripture, in his own time.
And it was Nero.
Certainly the mark of the beast, if it is 666, would have been on the coinage, as they were saying, Nero's image.
Any Roman emperor always stamped his image on the coinage of the day.
And since he was ruling Europe at the time, many of the prophecies that people wait for a Messiah in the future or an Antichrist may have already happened 1,000, 2,000 years ago.
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Haven't seen you in a while.
Have you been?
Have you changed your style and everything that we've grown up differently?
Don't seem to say seems you've lost your feel for me.
So let's leave it alone.
Cause we can't be eye to eye.
There ain't no good guy.
Winding your way down a vacuum street, lighting your head and dead on your feet well another crazy day.
You feel the night away and forget about everything.
This city doesn't miss your thing so cold.
It's got so many people, but it's God knows so and it's taking you so long.
I found out you were wrong when you thought it held everything You could think that it was so easy You're listening to Ark Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 28th, 1999.
Yeah, just go to www.hogprophey.com and right there you'll see my email address.
And please come and send me a letter and email.
If you want to get in touch with me through snail mail, you can get in touch with me by writing to Harbor San Francisco, if it's in the case of 1,000 for 2,000.
And if you want to write to me about any of the books that I've written for Element, which are Master Thomas the Complete Prophecies and the upcoming Messiahs book, which will be released in November, you can write Element there in Boston.
but hopefully the best way to cache me and the best way that I'm able to respond to people is through the internet.
So also if somebody we have the Art Bell Chat Club in Seattle is going to have me come and speak and sign books and that's going to happen.
I will be appearing at the Seattle Art Bell Chat Club Sunday, October 17th at 7 p.m.
Well, let's look at, since we've been talking about North Carolina, let's look at some of the predictions concerning global warming and the coming hurricanes.
There was a famous prophet from Scandinavia called Anton Johansson, who in 1918 visualized hurricanes reaching as far as Oslo, Norway, because of global warming.
He didn't call it global warming, but he saw it anyway.
And he was talking about an unheard of hurricane raging over two continents.
I was led in spirit to the great cities on England's east coast.
Yeah, like one of these storms that they're expecting in the next 40 years that could be 50% stronger than Hurricane Mitch and Hurricane Floyd.
Where he saw ships thrown on shore and many collapsed buildings and much wreckage and floating on the water.
Later he said, then I was shown Holland, Belgium, the German coasts of the North Sea.
Even Denmark's western and northern coasts and Sweden's western coasts had suffered.
And, you know, we might see hurricane warnings that far north.
In 1990, a bit of a hurricane did slam into southwestern England and that knocked down thousands of trees in Europe.
So unfortunately, situations like Hurricane Floyd are just beginning.
I would not be surprised if every year the southeastern United States has to see two or three million people evacuate.
And hopefully the people will take heed of those warnings and not get lackadaisical about it because the storms that are coming are getting more serious.
And if there's some good that can come out of this, hopefully the constant battering from these storms may tell the people of the world that we really have to get serious about eradicating global warming, stopping the destruction of the forests that eat up the carbon that make the hot atmosphere.
And we could fix it.
You know, we only have to plant 6 billion trees.
It sounds like a lot, but it only covers an area of the size of Australia.
And if it was just a simple process of everybody being responsible for every one tree they cut, they plant three.
That could, within 10 years' time, do a lot to devour the carbon in the air and stop the global warming.
Well, I've got three things here, and I'll just spit them out and let you guys respond to them, and I'll try to be brief.
And number one is I have a hard time with prophecies, and actually, John touched on it earlier.
People are always going on about the book of Revelations.
I always thought that if you read it in the context of its time, the book of Revelations is a veiled thing about Nero and his persecutions of the Christians.
And I have a problem of people using the Bible as a thing in prediction because it's a book in translation.
And unless people who are coming up with this stuff know their Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew really well, I have the same problem with Nostradamus in that he says, a French speaker in the 16th century.
The second thing I have is, and it has to deal with new art, and it has to deal with thought experiments.
And I was thinking about that because you're always talking that you don't want to do thought experiments, but yet in a way with your program you do.
And oftentimes I refer to your program as being sort of Doomsday du jour.
And I understand your fascination, but I was just thinking about that because for instance, today in the New York Times, they said that actually this year we're way below average on earthquakes.
Well you know what we've got to do, Carl, is because we'll have to see.
If this window that starts, especially supposed to start even to get more intense next month in October, if this is the right interpretation of Mastradamus' narrative, which I read a few hours back, if it is, then all these allusions to the spring are about the coming spring.
Because one of the things I'm interested in is sort of like the study of miracles, especially in the 20th century.
And I guess I'd just call myself an agnostic.
Actually, I'd call myself a cynic in the classical sense, if you think of Diogenes.
But I think that belief is really, I mean, if you look at particle physics, it's like the attention of sentient beings on a physical event will alter that physical event.
Then I worry about doomsday thing in that we may be calling, I mean, we're maybe marching on Frankenstein's castle to kill a monster we're creating.
Well, I love that you bring this up because this is why I hope that people will just read the books completely because it is an important issue and it's what I call propaganda.
And that is that we are collectively, perhaps, duped over thousands of years to follow certain misinterpretations.
As you were saying earlier, it might have been about a wrong misinterpretation, a wrong interpretation of Revelation, maybe taking an event that should have happened 2,000 years ago, projects it into our near future, and over 2,000 years of indoctrination, subconsciously speaking, people may be actually triggering it into happening.
By the way, that thing about sex in a button, I always thought it would be like masturbation because I thought sex is something that happens between two people when it's really good.
I can't see that ever going away.
And that thing about the thing about the monkeys and the cocaine, the only way to get those buttons.
I mean, there's so much to look at now that, you know, overwhelm is a major issue in the 21st century.
I mean, we talk about the battles in the 20th century between union and management that were sometimes triggered revolutions in the early part of this century that's ending.
Overwhelm on many levels is going to be one of the definitive challenges for individuals and collective groups alike.
How do we siphon through all of this information?
Because when you can virtually make reality, when you have to deal with so much information, you either get overwhelmed or you have to become a center of this, a quiet kind of conscious center in the cyclone of all that stuff.
And it may be the best way to deal individually with the roller coaster times that are coming.
Be a center of the cyclone.
To deal with it as best you can, but always retain your oasis of peace and awareness and love.
Okay, first what you need to do is not look into the National First Biropic newspapers because most of the time they don't even give you the index number to the prophecy because usually it's made up.
The next place to look is at a complete examination of the prophecies.
Now in the last 35, 40 years there's only been two made.
One, a very fine one that's quite a skeptical approach by Edgar Leone.
And that is anybody interested in Nostradamus should look at that.
The other one is the one that I wrote which released in 1997.
And what I like to consider is that one looks at Leone's work as well as others and tries to find kind of a middle road between skepticism and blind believers.
But the other way to do it is you have to go back and find the earliest edition of Nasser Dames' original French, which I did happen to find in the Aix en Provence library.
And they were nice enough to, kind enough to give me a copy of it.
And then you have to, at least what I've done, is study the possible nuances of ancient and medieval, I mean medieval and Renaissance French, Latin and some of the local dialects like Provençal and Languedo to get a feel for how Nostradamus filtered what he saw.
And so, I mean, it's quite a study and it's not something that can be done on a shoestring or just a real quick zip through it.
I am going to try to write a little pocketbook that will be released scheduled in the spring, which will kind of give you kind of a cliff notes for Nasr Dhammas.
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Okay, one more question, actually, for both of you.
I've heard some people tell me that the Antichrist is on earth today, and some people say that it's the Pope.
And they say this because of some sort of Roman numerals or something like this in his clothing or in headgear or something like this.
Well, some people think that the Vidi Vedi Viki is sometimes used in his mitre cap and that Latin, ancient Latin, translated to Numbers in 666.
But yeah, that is a tradition that's been around, especially since the Great Reformation, the split and the schism in the church between Protestants, protesters, and the Catholic mainstream at the time of the 16th century, 17th century.
And so there is a tradition, and in the book 1000-2000, I also address that tradition that looks at some future pope as the Antichrist.
In a way, a lot of new religions can be viewed also as Antichrist, maybe in a wrong way.
Maybe they're just new, and the new is terrifying.
But, you know, if we're doing what I think we're doing to our environment, I don't think there's anywhere to hide.
Now, that's just me, negative old cynical me, but I look at the, I've been following the environment like a hawk.
And I really think the changes are going to be global, and there's not really going to be a safe place to hide if what I think is going to happen is going to happen.