Dr. Ann Blake Tracy, Ph.D., exposes how serotonergic antidepressants—Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, and others—disrupt blood sugar, fueling alcohol/sugar cravings and violent side effects like the Phil Hartman murder (1994) or "going postal" incidents, with Utah’s usage rates far exceeding national averages. She warns these drugs now cause over 150,000 annual psychiatric hospital admissions due to induced psychosis, ranking third in U.S. deaths behind cancer and heart disease. Callers share personal struggles—Jim lost custody after refusing Ritalin for his son, Mark experienced homicidal fantasies on Prozac—while pharmacists like Sandra advocate for nutrition-based alternatives. Tracy urges systemic reform, questioning psychiatry’s profit-driven reliance on fast-tracked, poorly studied medications over holistic care. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm delighted to bring back to this program Dr. Ann Tracy.
The last time we had her on, which was, oh, many months ago, we talked about Zoloff, Paxil, Ritalin, a lot of things.
And there have been so many tragedies that we see in the news since that time, which relate directly to what we've been talking about.
There is a Hartman family in Hollywood where his wife killed him.
I could go on, I could, you know, and talk about so many of these major cases.
Of course, there is the man who shot up the Children's Day Center in Los Angeles and then killed the mailman.
There are, well, you know, so many high-level, high, what's the word I'm looking for, profile, I guess.
Including, and this is new to me, and I'm going to have to find out about this, Princess Di and Dodi Fayed, Monica Lewinsky, Sarah the Duchess of York.
Wow, that's news.
I had not heard any of that.
And of course, there's a Littleton, Colorado shooting.
The boy in Pocatello, Idaho last year had a standoff at school.
I could just go down, down, down, down, down the list.
And we'll cover many of these for you tonight.
We'll also talk with Mark Miller, who has had a tragedy of his own, and he will come on the program and tell you what happened to him.
Currently, 200,000 people die every year due to adverse reactions brought on by using prescription drugs as prescribed by their doctors.
We think doctors know what they're doing.
Give me a break.
Not necessarily the case.
Now, Dr. Ann Blake Tracy has a Ph.D. in psychology and health sciences has specialized for 10 years in adverse reactions to serotonergen, I can't even pronounce it, serotonergenic medications.
She is the executive director of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness and the author of the book, Prozac, Panacea, or Pandora.
And of course, we are talking about more than Prozac.
We are talking about Zolof.
We are talking about Paxil.
We are talking about, well, lots and lots and lots.
No, Riddalin's in a different category, but it is pretty similar in that it does have a very strong effect upon serotonin levels, and that is the problem with these drugs.
In fact, what we found, Dr. Felix Solman was one of the pioneers in researching serotonin back in the 50s.
And Dr. Sulman found clear back then that what serotonin is, is a stress neural hormone indicating stress in the brain, throughout the system.
And he found that people that were unable to metabolize their own serotonin would have all kinds of terrible things go wrong with them.
They became, there's quite a list here.
They became unable to sleep.
They would suffer horrifying nightmares.
They would sleep on the edge of wakefulness and then wake up after only a few hours of sleep and not feel rested, which is basically what sleep apnea is.
They suffered migraines, hot flashes, irritability, the sleeplessness, pains around the heart, difficulty breathing.
Of course, we saw that with the fin fin and redux.
And as we read through the cardiovascular side effects of these drugs, we find very, very similar side effects.
Well, can we stay with Riddlein for just a minute because you don't want to lump it up?
Yeah, because you don't want to lump it with all these others.
So this was in the news this week.
I don't know if you saw it, but I don't remember what day, but every network TV cast, you know, the evening newscast, carried this story about Riddleton.
And I'm sorry, I can't remember who came out with the information, that Ridalin may not be as good for youngsters as they say it is.
And you know that Brookhaven National Laboratory, and we've certainly heard enough about that lab over the years, has studied Ridalin and found the drug decreased the flow of blood to all parts of the brain by 20 to 30 percent.
And that's incredible.
And they're saying here that parents, teachers, and so, by the way, I'm reading from a report by my guest tomorrow night, which is John Rappaport.
When he's talking about Waco, but he did a paper on this.
And it says here that in the meantime, parents, teachers, counselors, principals, schools, psychologists know nothing about this, nor do they know that cocaine produced the same blood flow effect.
And that was what was in the news this week, in which the doctor was saying it goes to the brain just like cocaine does.
And I don't understand why we have these big methamphetamine raids, and the guys come out dressed in these yellow jackets and hoods and everything to contaminate these labs that make the meth.
Well, you know, the thing that interests me, and we talked about this, I believe, a few months ago when you were on, is that if you take Riddelin, the military will not accept you.
Yeah, will not take you.
And that doesn't mean you're taking it now.
That means you could have taken it when you're 10 years old.
I mean, that's one of the most damning pieces of evidence that I think we could have about the reason that we should not be giving our kids Ritalin, and yet it seems to be the answer.
So many teachers feel, oh, the kids are the problem.
Well, you know, put them on Ritalin.
And doctors, doctors, you know, say, if you don't put your kid on Ritalin, you know, we'll call you up before the thought police or something.
I think we're in the middle of the worst drug problem our country has ever seen, and that is because the line between illegal drugs and legal drugs has totally disappeared with this group of serotonergic medications.
Because we've seen serotonergic medications in the past, we now know them as LSD, PCP, ecstasy.
And when those came out, we thought they were safe medications.
PCP was given the name Serenal, meaning peace, tranquility.
Any police officer will tell you that's not what PCP does.
LSD was put out by the makers of Prozac.
They patented it in 1956, and we were led to believe that that was going to cure mental illness, it was going to aid in psychoanalysis, it would cure alcoholism.
I think they pulled out all their old files and gave us the same line about Prozac.
And we have never seen a group of drugs so similar to LSD and PCP.
In fact, if you go through and read what it is that people on PCP describe as their experience on the drug, they even use the exact same words that people on these serotonergic antidepressants use to describe their experience on these drugs.
Monica was on these drugs, has been on these drugs at least six years that we know of.
She says she's still on them, which might explain why she had an accident.
But there's a lot of different accidents that you...
And that's what causes the violence, too, is when you increase serotonin, remember Dr. Suhlman found that you had horrifying nightmares.
Well, you have the horrifying nightmares and then when you can't sleep enough, you go into the REM sleep, which is your dream state while you're awake.
So if you're going into that dream state while you're awake and what you're having is nightmares, you act out your worst nightmare, which is what Bryn Hartman did.
Yes, he, in fact, after she shot Phil, she went to get a friend that she knew was Phil up that night to get him to come back and check to see if Phil was really dead or if she was having a nightmare because she could not tell the difference.
He had to check for her to tell her what was real and what wasn't.
Big change because, well, a lot of things have changed.
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Dr. Tracy, while we are talking and giving out numbers and things, I think we should mention your book, which is Prozac, Panacea, or Pandora.
It's a book that you wrote after years of experience, a lot of case histories, and you have a I didn't check to see on the Artville website whether there's a link.
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Well, do you think as this person who signs himself a psycho-drug victim, do you think that, let's say, people in Los Angeles who breathe that stuff more than anybody else, do you think they're more likely to have this synergistic reaction?
And I'm concerned also about fluoride in the water, people being treated with fluoride.
Let me give you one example.
I had a woman who gave birth to, oh, I think it was three children while she was on Prozac.
She was on the drug for a total of seven and a half years.
But one of the little girls that she gave birth to, when the little girl was about three, they began to treat her with fluoride.
And in no time, this little girl quit talking.
She couldn't talk where anyone could understand what she was trying to say.
She would become extremely frustrated because she could no longer speak.
And the woman called me and said, what am I going to do?
Look what's happening to my little girl.
And so I started asking questions and realized that she had begun to be treated with fluoride by her dentist.
They were giving her the pills.
And I said, oh, my gosh, she can't do that.
I said, you've got to get her off of the fluoride.
And in no time, she was able to speak again.
But it was that synergistic effect from being treated with the fluoride by the dentist and the combination of the drug still in her system from her mother's use that caused her to no longer be able to speak.
In fact, one of the later biological psych texts that they use in the university says that if you have any tendency toward violence, you should never touch NutraSuite.
Look at the kids that we've got today.
We've got teenagers that are so concerned about their weight that they're constantly downing all this diet stuff full of NutraSuite.
And we've got the most violent bunch of kids we've ever seen.
Of course, they're popping drugs like crazy, too, from every direction, because we give them Ritalin and then we give them Prozac and then we give them anything else we can think of to give them.
Well, everything that ever happened to her before became your fault, right?
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And certainly, I can see how that can be attributed just to her trauma with her mom.
Anybody that looks like or sounds like what her mother did, making her feel like she's inferior, incompetent, and so forth, she would react to it.
But it seemed like it was just enhanced.
And she would go through these wild mood swings.
And so one day I just remarked, it almost seems like you're bipolar sometimes.
This Jekyll and Hyde syndrome.
And it would seem to correspond with her taking of these drugs, or it looked like it was just enhanced.
And of course, that would just make it worse.
She would think I was making fun of her.
And I kept thinking that there's a problem here.
And it really came to a head here last month or so.
She moved out of the house.
And then she came back.
After I, you know, I pleaded with her to come back.
She had said, you need to make some changes.
And for the past two and a half months, I've been making those changes, and it's been actually working.
Things got much better.
So I thought, but she suddenly moved out, came back in tears, saying, I don't know what's wrong with me.
I find I've been lying to people.
I've been telling lies.
Well, it turns out she was telling lies about me behind my back.
Now, of course, that made things worse.
Her family doesn't know what to believe now.
So now they're afraid for the children.
And so even though she moved back in, she went back home one night, came back the next morning with her parents, moved out all her stuff, and now she's gone.
But I kept thinking, something's wrong here.
Her doctors, of course, won't talk to me.
But I see this, and something that I heard you mention earlier in the program, you mentioned that it causes people to be very argumentative.
And the argument makes absolutely no sense.
And certainly, if I had known that that was shaking your hand, there's something I could have done.
I'm Colorado County in defense of Riddlin and Crozac just a little bit.
Glad to have you.
And when I was younger, I was hyperactive, and I took Riddlin.
According to what my mom said, that had calmed me down.
I'm 31 now.
Back in 93 and 94, I was on Prozac.
Had some mental problems.
Actually went through a lot of stress, divorced and everything.
When I was in the MHMR Hospital, they told me about Prozac and what it did and how your Brain produces two kinds of chemicals to keep you in balance, and that when you go through some kind of shock or stress, your brain stops producing that one chemical, and Prozac helps your brain produce it again.
And that when your brain starts producing right, you need to come off of it slowly.
What I think is happening with this Prozac and people going berserk is, or I guess that's where you could use, doctors aren't taking them off Prozac and the brain continues to produce more of that chemical and more and more puts them off balance again.
Prozac worked for me fine, and I'm not on it anymore.
I came off for gradually, and I think it's not the problem with the company that's making it.
I think it's a doctor and the lack of information that's out there.
Well, we're not going to disagree with you, James.
You know, it's both, really.
It's ignorance on the part of the doctors, but it's also the companies in the sense that they're not giving the full information and the warnings that they should.
Hey, appreciate the call.
And Dr. Tracy, we'll let you comment on that if you want after this break that's coming up.
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Well, the faxes are pouring in for Dr. Tracy, as are the phone calls.
It's a very hot subject, and I've got some faxes that challenge Dr. Tracy.
So we'll get to those and see what more we can find out about these various drugs and what they're doing to our society.
And I think, because so many people tune in and out, we should mention to you once again that the fellow who shot up the Jewish Day Center in Los Angeles and killed the postman was on these drugs.
One of the shooters in Littleton, Colorado was on these drugs.
And the fellow in Atlanta, who recently killed 13 people, was apparently on these drugs.
They found him in his automobile.
The case of the crash of the Princess Die and Dodi Fayed, which just came to a conclusion a couple of days ago when France said it was the driver.
It was not the other people.
It was the driver that did this that caused the accident.
And he was on these drugs.
Monica Lewinsky had an accident just last week.
She's been on these drugs.
This was a single auto accident.
She went off the road.
And I could go on and on and on and on of all these various incidents that we hear about in the news all the time.
Certainly the case of Mr. and Mrs. Phil Hartman, and Dr. Tracy is very, very involved with that particular case.
And they're suing the makers of Zoloft.
And so we will move along here and try and dispense information.
And I'm going to challenge Dr. Tracy in just a couple of minutes.
you hang on there and we will continue with these words Dr. Ann Tracy is our guest.
She heads up a group called the International Coalition for Drug Awareness, author of the book, Prozac, Panacea, or Pandora, which is only available from a special phone number.
Why don't you give me that phone number, Dr. Tracy?
I think what should be said is something that we haven't said yet, and that is there were two developers of the serotonin binding process.
One, Dr. Solomon Snyder, the other, Dr. Candace Kurt.
Solomon Snyder is a Johns Hopkins.
He's considered one of the leading biological psychologists in the country today.
And Dr. Kurt was the head of the brain chemistry department at the National Institute of Health for 13 years.
So there's the background on these two individuals.
Dr. Snyder has said that the psychedelic drugs have their effect By what they do to serotonin.
And what they do to serotonin is exactly what these drugs do to serotonin.
They do it by mimicking serotonin, is what he said.
So as we increase serotonin, we should expect the same thing.
Dr. Kurt, two years ago in Time magazine, October 20, 1997, if anybody wants to look it up, page 8, Dr. Candace Kurt came out speaking of these drugs and said, I am alarmed at the monsters I have created.
I can tell you that never in the history of medicine has a developer of a drug come out as strongly as she has against these drugs.
So when you have the developers of these, the process that made all these drugs possible, speaking out in those strong a term, the people taking these medications had better listen.
Why would you want to take a drug that the developer has called a monster?
In which he says, I am deeply concerned about the damage you may be doing to some of the individuals I have in my care, as well as others throughout the world.
You discuss LUVOX having a frequent adverse reaction of manic reaction and psychotic reaction.
If you check the PDR, which is the book that has prescriptions in it, you will note that these are adverse effects associated with the use of LUVOX.
And please note that LUVAX is used in conjunction often with other medicines and sometimes alone in the treatment of manic depressive disease and severe depression, which have of their own nature and natural course manic reactions and psychotic states.
To truly find what is a side effect of any medication, one must compare it to a double-blind placebo-controlled group and take the differences between the incidents in the placebo group and the incidents found in the treated group.
If you are a researcher, and again, this is a letter to Dr. Perth, if you are a researcher, I guess she's, I know she's a doctor, she's a research professor.
If you are a researcher, you know that, and as a researcher, I am chagrined that you would knowingly misrepresent and mislead individuals who may not have the educational background to interpret data themselves.
And then he goes on talking about SSRIs.
He says, certainly, I'm wrapping off here, certainly any drug can be inappropriately prescribed, prescribed at too high of a dose, or be ineffective in the condition it is to treat.
As a physician, I am well aware that other medications for other illnesses often have much more untoward side effects than do the SSRIs and are used more casually by the general physician.
I likewise have seen individuals without psychiatric training utilizing psychotropic medication in inappropriate ways, such as trying to medicate away at alcoholics hangover and depressive lifestyle, rather than referring them to AA, thereby making matters worse.
One thing is certain.
There is no one way that is the correct way for every individual patient.
Your dogmatic and polarizing statements are a continuation of the bashing of psychiatric illness, which is a far more destructive form of discrimination than racial discrimination.
I suggest you avail yourself of an intensive course in medical ethics.
Ooh, wow.
Now, again, let me stress, this was not written to you.
This was written to Candace Kurt at Georgetown.
But nonetheless, there are some things in here that I think you should comment on.
Why has murder-suicide skyrocketed across the nation?
Why are mothers killing their children at an absolutely alarming rate that we've never seen before?
And such a high number of them on these drugs?
You know, they keep talking about their success.
And I say, show me.
Show me.
I don't see it.
Every time I talk to an individual that even thinks that they've done well, after I talk to them for a while and show them all the different side effects that come from these drugs, they start pointing out this and this and this and this, saying, oh my gosh, I didn't know that was a side effect.
I've had this, I've had this, I've had this.
I had no idea it was related to my medication.
And to find someone who's done okay is extremely rare.
It says, listening to the broadcast has gotten me quite concerned about the course of my treatment my doctor has prescribed for me.
I'm taking a tricyclic antidepressant described for depression and to rebalance the neurotransmitters of my brain after a few years' skin of heavy drinking.
Yet you are saying that antidepressants typically promote alcoholism and contribute to depression.
I attended an entire seminar at the National Institute of Health a year ago where there were doctors from around the world that presented all of their research and their experience with patients using omega-3 oils, which is flaxseed oil, fish oil, or the omega-3s.
They had amazing results with schizophrenia, mania, depression, hyperactivity, even seizures with using these oils.
And yet, they had patients that were schizophrenic that had symptoms disappear using flaxseed oil.
And we have new research also out of the University of Florida that's just come out in the last few months showing that people that are schizophrenic and autistic, now keep in mind that all of these are caused by high serotonin levels.
Schizophrenia and autism, they found that 80% of the patients that had it, that they were doing the study with, had symptoms disappear when they took them off dairy products and a lot of the gluten products.
They found that they were unable to metabolize these proteins and they would build up and act like morphine in the brain, and morphine increases serotonin levels.
And I took ritalin and also lithium as a child, basically from the ages of about 8 to about 13.
And when I was taking those drugs, if anything, I was, in my mind, I was just in a way joking with it and going against the drugs.
And they took me off of it.
And I proceeded to live my life and, you know, do what I needed to do.
The question I need to ask you is, I have a problem with the excuses that we use on crime or against crime when people are on something like Prozac or Ritalin or lithium or whatever drugs we're using.
I understand there is chemical imbalances, but I also understand, though, there is problems that a person may regardless from a childhood all the way to adulthood that they have to resolve in drugs, and I agree are not the problem, I mean, are not the answer.
But to use those as excuses to saying that they're going to go out there and shoot somebody or kill people, I think that's a joke not to put down those people that have died, unfortunately.
But I think it's an excuse for that individual to use, well, I was on this or this and that kind of drug.
I think that, to me, is a slap in my face of what I have achieved in my life.
And you were talking about their successes and very few successes on people who are on these supposedly these drugs.
I would like to think personally that I might have been on somewhat of a success.
And if anything, a lot of these people are using these drugs for excuses if they make a mistake in life.
And that is something that I had to struggle with for a very long time in doing my research.
And it's one of the reasons why I continued to do research because I saw people doing things that were so completely and totally out of character for them.
They were things that they had never done before in their life.
And that I couldn't understand.
It was very confusing for me.
And I am very religious.
So, you know, I do believe in people taking responsibility.
So that became very difficult for me to understand.
There is one entire chapter in my book that talks about sleep and sleep disorders.
And that is what made me finally understand why people do the things they do on these drugs and how they are not accountable.
Because there are brainwave patterns that I show in my book.
It shows a patient on these drugs.
And the brain shows that they are in a total anesthetic sleep state, dreaming with their eyes wide open, appearing alert and functioning.
And yet they're acting out dreams.
How can you hold somebody accountable when they're acting on a nightmare?
The subject tonight is serotonergic medications, Prozac, Zoloth, Paxil, Luvox, Bethexor, Sirzone, Anaphrenil, Fenphen, and Redux.
Good thing I'm not a doctor.
I can't pronounce those names.
My guest is Dr. Ann Blake Tracy, a Ph.D. in psychology and health sciences who has specialized for 10 years in adverse reactions to serotonergic medications.
I'm slurring over it.
She is the executive director of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness, author of the book Prozac Panacea or Pandora.
I want to get to a lot more calls, doctors, so let me just give you some facts really, really quickly here.
My wife is taking iniphamphramine for postpartum depression.
Is that in the same category as an antidepressant?
It's something that I have not yet had a chance to really look into, but I remain convinced that there are alternatives out there that are natural and harmless.
The liver is very strongly affected by these drugs, yes.
But we do know that one particular liver enzyme system begins to shut down, that it can no longer metabolize the drug itself, and then it builds to high levels.
And of course, you have a toxic reaction.
And that's what you're trying to avoid, is the toxic reaction.
I would make another good case study for your doctor.
Okay.
Positive or negative?
Both.
I believe fully in what she's trying to get across, is that untherapeutic administration of these antidepressants is completely inappropriate.
You have to be in therapy to have a useful monitor to achieve your goal, and your goal is to get rid of the depression.
I have been on Prozac for nine years.
Since January 90, last week, I was just given permission to go off of it.
And now I'm on another SSRI called Buspirin.
And it's an anxiety, and it works quite similarly.
The family history I have is both my mother's family and father's family had suicide and depression.
So my family has the same trait.
I have two sisters and one brother.
And for a clinical depression where you have suffered an extremely great loss, my sister has for five years been staring at the wall because she lost permission to see her grandchildren.
I lost a partnership that I worked in for nine years, and I was kicked out as it became profitable.
And after one year of therapy with a psychologist, I was told by the psychologist, I have to recommend you to a psychiatrist who's an MD who can prescribe a psychoactive drug.
Okay, so I took it for the next three years, and I no longer wanted to kill my ex-partner's widow.
The other partner committed suicide on me, so I lost about a quarter million dollars, and I had to borrow money and start all over in my new business.
Now, three years later, I was grounded out of lightning strike.
And so all of a sudden, I had great anxiety.
I was very depressed about not being able to work, and I had great anxiety.
I was on both Dilantum, I was on Prozac, and I was on Abusebiron, or Abusebar.
And so, as these things have gone through their phases of me getting over my lightning strike, which was July of 94, last year in January, in April of 98, I got Bell's palsy.
Now, coming through Bell's palsy, I got a damn near full cure of it in three or four months for the major nerves.
But then I started getting the ticking and the twitching.
If your doctor is not seeing you every month to six weeks and can monitor your reaction to whether you're high or low or hypermanic or hypermanic, or you're maintaining, I got so successful in the last month after I got off Bell Palsy and started working again after not working for a year that he said, You're okay, you're approaching hypomanic.
Let's switch from Prozac over to Buspirin.
And once again, it's an SSRI, but it affects different neurotransmitters in a different manner.
I think, yeah, we do understand.
And I think, you know, I don't need any more about your particular condition.
Yeah, but see, I just got off of it after nine years, and I think I've been completely successful.
In fact, there was a mother in San Francisco that killed her three children and then tried to kill herself while she was on that particular combination.
Because I think he's going to have some serious problems probably about six, seven, eight months down the road now after coming off of Prozac that quickly.
And we do have research to show that the half-life is much longer.
It's brand new research that it's far, far longer than seven days.
And we also have research to show that the drug does accumulate in brain tissue at a rate 100 times greater than what's in the blood.
And it will stay there for a very long time.
So as it stays in the brain, it's interacting with any other new drug that you're putting into your system.
I would like to offer my family's experience as a negative in this case study that we're doing here, the last three calls.
The powers that be, the school system, the courts, all are pressuring parents not to disallow their children this drug when they are prescribed it by the teachers.
The teachers used it rather indiscriminately.
Now, there are 10 to 15 percent of the school population on Middleton or a amphetamin, a similar amphetamine.
The number is doubling every two years.
These facts are common knowledge.
I've talked to psychiatrist.
The psychiatrist that prescribed this drug for my son said that he expected it would level at 30% of the school population would be on amphetamines.
My son was diagnosed with ADHD in the first grade.
I knew better than to put my son on amphetamines, and I told my wife so.
She was pressured by the school administrators, the teachers, the counselor, that my boy needed this drug and that I needed to study the evidence that what a wonderful miracle drug this is.
It's almost a smart pill.
It was the impression that she was given.
So she, against my will, put my son on this, on Riddling for four years before I found out about it.
It was part of our divorce at that point.
We agreed in our divorce to, because the kids wanted to live with me, that they would live with me.
I found out at that point that we agreed.
The divorce was final, and I had custody of my two boys, my oldest being on Riddling.
I found out about it five months after I had custody.
I immediately took my son off of it.
The school administrators convinced my wife that it was an emergency, that my son was going to fail out of school without this drug, and that they needed to, it was an emergency, and she went to court and got a judge to say it was an emergency, that they needed to be taken out of my custody because I wouldn't allow them the Ritalin that the doctor said they needed.
So on temporary orders and finally, on final orders, the children were taken away from me.
The courts with the teachers, the counselors, the psychologists, all saying that the boy needed the drug.
There's no way a parent can resist it.
In court, they ruled against me.
It is an insidious thing, and I hope that other parents, it should be obvious that impediments are not something that you would want children to have.
You brought up an interesting point, which we'll continue with into the next portion of the program.
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And his case was very, very similar to Bryn Hartman's in the fact that he didn't know where he was afterwards, had to ask directions in an area where he had lived in his whole life.
But right there in the same school, two, two they've already got?
This is insane.
I've got a case down in Tennessee that's happened since we did our last show.
A mother that killed her children and then herself.
In the same small town six years ago, a mother on Prozac killed her two children and herself.
I mean, the sheriff is so sick of this, he says, I want you on Larry King Live.
You know, this has just got to stop.
Why don't we talk to law enforcement?
They're the ones that have to clean up the mess after the drug companies are finished with these drugs.
Well, you I know, but you could stop something, but you wanted to go back on it.
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Well, the reason I wanted to get back on it was initially when I first started in the beginning, it was the drug that helped me the most.
I mean, I've had to try several different medications to try to get my depression under control.
I mean, I've never been suicidal or anything like that, but I would close myself off from the rest of the world, you know, and not even want to be around people or anything.
And I had to have some help.
I mean, what does she say about this as far as what should you do instead of taking medications?
As we mentioned before, there are quite a few different things that you can do that are non-toxic solutions.
And it would have been nice to know if he had any blood sugar disorders in his family, like diabetes or hypoglycemia, because often when depression starts that early in life, it's a symptom of a blood sugar disorder.
So going on a hypoglycemic diet could help if that's the problem that runs through your family.
Using flaxseed oil or fish oil are another, The omega-3 oils.
As I mentioned before, the National Institute of Health had an entire seminar on using those last year for all of these different disorders.
And then also, another thing that I've found that's very, very helpful is Noni juice.
And then also we mentioned sleep, which maybe we shouldn't mention on your show.
Let's go to Virginia Beach, Virginia, and talk with Rich.
Hi, Rich.
Hello.
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Good morning, Hill.
Yeah.
And Dr. Tracy.
Right.
I was calling because just about all these drugs that y'all have been talking about, I have been on at one time or another because I have been going to psychiatrist and inpatient and outpatient, the whole nine yards.
And I have taken everything that has been, I've heard been mentioned in the past hour from Ozak, which I could tell after a week, at least a week, that that wasn't doing me any damn good.
And I told my psychiatrist, you know, and he said, well, I'll put you on something else.
So what he put me on was not a, not Louvaux is what I'm on now, but...
Zoloft?
Zoloft, yes.
I was on that man for...
Yes, and I was on that for two and a half years, and that was supposed to help with chronic anxiety and slash panic attacks and depression.
And I couldn't see it helping with either one of them.
Okay, Rich, I don't want to hear any more about your personal case.
I want to know what's the point you're making?
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The point I'm trying to make is that people should be given, you know, like my pharmaceutical, you know,
he gives us sheets of information as to the side effects, you know, everything else that they have learned about the drug, like something out of the PDR that doctors use.
Dr. Tracy didn't mean to cut her off, but when you're out of time, you're out of time, friends.
This is live, coast to coast, a.m.
I am Hilly Rose, sitting in for Heartbell.
And Blake Tracy is our guest, head of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness.
Dr. Tracy, I have a very long, unfortunately, fax here, and I can't possibly read it all to you.
But this will make you feel good.
It's a lady who says, thank you so much for tonight's topic.
As a mother of a six-year-old diagnosed with very mild ADD and prescribed Ritalin, I am grateful for this added information.
And she goes on and on, and I just can't read it all to you, but she is asking this.
She's saying, please ask Dr. Tracy to elaborate on the use of diet and vitamins to assist children and adults also are nutraceuticals, I've not heard that word before, beneficial.
Who do you trust to dispense such advice?
Not doctors, certainly.
And nutritionists?
I don't know.
So that's a compliment for you and also a question.
I said years ago that the rate of diabetes is going to skyrocket in this country because of these drugs.
You don't start messing with serotonin and not expect blood sugar disorders.
We already have hypoglycemia is at epidemic proportions in this country because of our diets, because of our extremely high consumption of refined sugars.
And yet these drugs will induce it quicker than just about anything I've ever seen.
So those problems are increasing.
I recall one young man that had called me because his wife had divorced him on one of these drugs.
And he was really upset about that and got interested and read my first book and then called me several years later after being on Sarazone for six months and started talking to me and was very upset that he did not understand that Sarazone was basically the same drug as Prozac and producing many of the same side effects.
And within a six-month period, he was diabetic and he was only in his late 20s.
Doctor, are you saying then as a result that people who are diabetic, and as you point out, more and more people in the United States are being diagnosed, and this is basically a disease where the body is not able to regulate the sugar accurately or well.
Are you saying that diabetics should not take Prozac?
Okay, Doctor, let's get a lot of folks waiting to talk to you, so let's go to Bellevue, Washington, and talk with Amanda.
Good morning, Amanda.
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Hello.
Hello, Hilly, and hello, Dr. Tracy.
I am really enjoying the show tonight.
There's just a lot of information that I certainly did not know about.
However, when I heard that you, Dr. Tracy, you had a section in one of your books on sleep disorders, I really did have to call in.
The drug I'm on is not one that you specified as one of your specialties per se, but I am taking Cenobarbitol.
I've been taking 120 milligrams, and I was prescribed to take Cenobarbitol since the age of 8.
I am now 21.
That's really a long time for just one drug.
Yeah, and it's done the job in keeping the seizures away.
However, I have noticed some behaviors that I myself am not comfortable with, and even things that I didn't know about until me and my fiancé started living together.
Just breathing patterns in my sleep that I didn't know that I had.
My breathing is very short and very rapid in my sleep.
And also, I will wake up, this has happened in the past year and a half to two years, I will have mornings where I will wake up and just have an overall confused state for the rest of the day.
Even simple tasks, I will just obsess over them and it'll seem like it's just too much for me to handle.
And I've also gained a large amount of weight.
I am now weighing in just a little over 200 pounds.
And with my depression, I don't have huge bouts of depression, but I have just noticed that I have always been a very active person, have always been up doing things, and I would never just sit in front of the television.
I would read.
But now I'm finding that I don't know if it's just a common state, but even simple things, it's harder for me to get up.
I'm more lethargic than I used to be.
And I don't know, could this be a long-term side effect of the drug, or I'm not quite sure.
And also, some family history, just very quickly, I'm also concerned about this now because I recently found out that my mother is on Xanax.
And I didn't know exactly if that would have to do with family history or if that would be a side effect of the drug that I might need to be concerned about.
Well, she was just concerned in terms of whether it related to her condition.
But I think the more important thing is to discuss here is phenobarbital, which is a very common kind of drug usage that you haven't discussed at all, as she pointed out, in talking about all these various drugs.
Well, we don't have any prescriptions on this program.
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I don't know.
I've got a pretty terrible experience with Prozac to relate, but I wanted to start by saying it's kind of silly that we even have to have a discussion like this.
I think that we're even to the point to where we can condone this type thing, drug use at this level at ADAT.
That we even talk about it as being okay is somehow crazy to me to even think.
50 years ago, if you'd have mentioned that we'd have this many people on this stuff, you'd have been thought crazy.
But the people that I've listened to that call and support it, having done it, had Prozac myself back in 1990.
When they call in and they're on this thing, with all due respect To them, they want to be right, they support it, but in reality, a lot of them have no idea of the options that are out there and that this isn't the only way.
And some of them that are on it, it's just a quick fix and it's due to laziness.
The options are diet.
She talks about them.
I've experimented with a lot of them, and they work: diet, changing your habits, and remembering a simple Buddhist premise that life is suffering.
We're going to all be depressed at times.
But we've been in a society now that's labeled everything.
So we don't think that life is suffering, but it is, a great deal of it.
But anyway, my experience with the PROSAC, can I go into that?
my wife, three young kids, and it was really a stressful time, and things were not going so well.
Anyway, the doctor, not the doctor, but I had to talk to my wife, and she'd seen a show This new drug that was out that was going to help people with this type of mood problems and things.
Anyway, I took Prozac.
About three months later, I began to have fantasies about killing people, killing myself, even getting up on a bridge and shooting some people.
It was a totally bizarre and psychotic episode.
Never had anything like that.
She's right, I began to have the alcohol cravings.
But a lot of this is just a quick fix, and we need to remember that the root of all this is greed by the drug companies and the people wanting to make money on it.
That's the bottom line.
I don't problem at other countries with this type of stuff.
Okay, wrapping up our discussion about Prozag, Zolof, Paxil, Luvox, Efexor, Sirzone, Anaphranel, Fenfin, and Redux, and of course, Ritalin as well.
And much earlier tonight, we talked about all the very famous cases like the Phil Hartman case, like the guy who shot up the school in Los Angeles and killed the postman, like the guy in Atlanta who killed 13 people, including his wife and child.
And on and on and on.
There are so many of these cases.
All of these people.
All of these people.
On these pills.
And that's what we're talking about.
And I'm telling you, folks, you do what you want to do.
I think you should read up on it.
Don't take the doctor's advice blindly about anything.
Well, there is just one thing that I'd like to mention, and that is that when I started this, I had no idea what I was getting into.
I really didn't know.
And I have learned just a little at a time how dangerous these drugs are.
My book has 23 pages just of references to medical studies and literature on these drugs.
You've had callers tonight who called in saying that they felt the drug was helping them.
Let me give you just a couple of sentences out of a letter from a British nurse.
She said she started to have bad reactions to Prozac.
She found it causing joint and muscle pain.
And then she noticed that she was developing signs of Cushing syndrome.
Terrible, terrible thing to have.
She said, I was very pro-ProZac until this happened, and I would not have listened to anything said against it until I was the one who got problems.
She said, I thought it was saving my life while all the time it was insidiously and slowly killing me.
And then when I first heard about your book on the internet, I was interested but quite skeptical.
However, since reading it and having suffered so many problems with this drug, I've come to the conclusion that the book is brilliant and a lifeline as far as I'm concerned.
I've tried to fault the research and reasoning, but could not and still can't.
Then she went on to thank me for what I've done.
But you need to know that it's well documented.
The research is there.
You need to know it if you're on these drugs.
You need to find out what's happening.
You need to know what to watch for.
Even if you don't want to get off the drug, you need to know what to watch for.
And I guess I ought to give the number again, shouldn't I?
It's N-O-N-I noni juice, and it's a fruit juice out of Tahiti.
And if you go to the drug awareness website and click wherever you see Dr. Tracy's book, Prozac Panacea or Pandora, we'll take you to a separate site that will talk about the book, and it will also talk about Noni juice, essential aromatherapy oils.
It talks about all different types of alternatives on that site.
Okay, I have one other fact here, and I ask you, we did cover it a couple of hours ago, but it's such an important question, I'm going to just throw it out at you again.
It says, can regular coffee with non-sugar sweetener do things to blood sugar?
Okay, let's go now to Muskegon, Michigan, and talk with Sandra.
Good morning, Sandra.
unidentified
Good morning.
Hello, Dr. Tracy.
Hi.
I have worked as a pharmacist for the past 20 years, and I really applaud what you're doing because out there are a whole bunch of consumers who have no idea what they're in for.
And I appreciate what you're doing.
I've had experience with antidepressants personally and also in my clients.
And I can tell you that it sometimes does take months or years for some of these things to show up.
And they aren't always, the physicians don't see them as a side effect.
They see them as other problems and start to prescribe more medications.
And that in itself has led me to nutrition.
And that's one thing you can't stress enough, and I'm sure that's in your book, and I will be purchasing your book because I think that it's just phenomenal what you're doing, that they need to go and look and know that their conditions didn't happen overnight.
It took years for some of these conditions to come about, and many of them are from nutritional deficiencies.
The pharmacist would be one source, an excellent source, if they have nutritional backgrounds.
And as far as their physicians go, nutritional backgrounds are of the utmost importance because most of the ones that will say that supplements are not a good idea are those that aren't educated enough.
And it's not their fault because that's what they were taught when they went to med school.
Most physicians I've talked to, at best, have had an afternoon on nutrition in med school.
That's about it.
unidentified
Right.
So anyway, that's one more possible source for people to go to if they're a pharmacist, and especially listen to them if they're on some polydrug therapy, and that these side effects are not innocuous, and that over a period of years, they can lead to some very serious diseases.
Just medications alone can deplete things like CoQ10, and there's another nutritional aspect to look into, and that's glyconutritional.
I don't know if that's on your site or not, but I sure will be checking it out.
And I just wanted to say how much I appreciate what you're doing.
I wanted to ask the doctor in her research, I know this doesn't necessarily in her work, but as she determined the future of physicians, the medical training, do you foresee this changing?
I mean, it seems to be on a global scale where they're prescribing these type drugs to people who are coming to medical professionals for help.
And we're raised to trust doctors when someone goes to them for help.
And this seems to be on such a scale now for such a long period of time where people, well I hesitate to use the word, but seem to be victimized by doctors who just, they seem to be wanting to do the right thing, yet they're prescribing something that's a literal poison to people.
Do you see this changing as far as the training of future physicians?
Washington State has now proposed that pharmacists along with doctors prescribe medication, which is interesting because I said that in my book.
I said if we're going to continue to use drugs, if that's the method that we want to use, we need to have somebody who knows something about the drugs pharmacists should be prescribing rather than doctors.
I would like to say the B-word at this point, and I want to commend you so much for your courage and your hard work.
I have done a lot of research with a group called the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, whose primary mission and purpose is to expose and to prosecute psychiatric fraud and psychiatric abuse.
Now, the B word is betrayal.
Now, not only are they betraying their profession as medical practitioners to do no harm, but look at the millions of school children, look at the individuals, look at the people over the last 25 years who suffered from the individuals who went postal.
And I'm sure that at some point we're going to see the media covering these toxicology reports, but apparently that's being suppressed.
And I think what your show has done is enlightened millions of listeners tonight.
The evidence is clearly damaging.
You know, preliminarily spoke of the famous celebrity cases and so forth.
My blood boils when I discuss this.
I am so angry at what the field of psychiatry has done and what they are trying to do to silence this.
Now, I do believe that physicians are not stupid.
I do believe that they have to know something.
And in a court of law, they could be prosecuted, just as drug dealers are, for felonies.
Drug dealers make a lot of money making cocaine available.
Psychiatrists make a lot of money with their signature with patients that they never see again by signing a person to a horrible future.
And again, I am very concerned about our children.
There is such blanket, nurses in schools will open their drawers and there's hundreds of pills.
And with phony attention deficit disorder things, like you look out the window.
Well, I think when I was a kid, I fidgeted and I did look out the window.
That is being a child.
And I am concerned about the protection that seems, we seem to have been induced to becoming silent.
This is totally outrageous.
The psychiatrists need to be exposed.
The drug companies are finally starting to have to pay the piper with the lawsuits that are happening right now.
There needs to be front page headlines in every paper in the United States.
The American people have been lied to by the FDA.
Historically, Dr. Tracy, you know, that they have been in collusion from time to time with drug companies that make billions of dollars.
In any event, it does seem to be a hand-in-hand thing between the psychiatrists and the drug companies.