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Sept. 4, 1999 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Hilly Rose - Dr. Ann Blake Tracy - Prozac - Panacea or Pandora
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This is a special edition of Costa Conte with Ellie Rose.
Now filling in for Art Bell, here's Ellie Rose.
I'm delighted to bring back to this program Dr. Ann Tracy.
The last time we had her on, which was, oh, many months ago, we talked about Zoloft, Paxil, Ritalin, a lot of things.
And there have been so many tragedies that we see in the news Since that time, which relate directly to what we've been talking about.
There's the Hartman family in Hollywood, where his wife killed him.
I could go on and talk about so many of these major cases.
Of course, there is the man who shot up the children's Day Center in Los Angeles, and then killed the mailman.
There are so many high level, what's the word I'm looking for?
Profile, I guess.
Including, and this is new to me and I'm going to have to find out about this, Princess Di and Dodie Fayed, Monica Lewinsky.
Sarah, the Duchess of York?
Wow, that's... that's news.
I had not heard any of that.
And of course, there's the Littleton, Colorado shooting, the boy in pink, Pocatello, Idaho last year, had a standoff at school.
I could just go down, down, down, down, down the list, and we'll cover many of these for you tonight.
We'll also talk with Mark Miller, who has had a tragedy of his own, and he will come
on the program and tell you what happened to him.
Currently 200,000 people die every year due to adverse reactions brought on by using prescription
drugs as prescribed by their doctors.
We think doctors know what they're doing.
Give me a break.
Not necessarily the case.
Now Dr. Anne Blake-Tracy is a Ph.D. in psychology and health sciences and has specialized for
ten years in adverse reactions to serotonergenic medications.
She is the executive director of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness and the author
of the book Prozac, Anastasia, or Pandora.
Of course we are talking about more than Prozac.
We are talking about Zoloft, we are talking about Paxil.
We are talking about, well, lots and lots and lots.
The list goes on and on and on.
Is it good?
Does it do well for some people?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But we're paying a terrible price for it, and that's what we're going to be talking about tonight.
So, before I bring on Dr. Tracy, let's hear these messages.
The subject tonight is Surretergic.
I'll get that pronunciation from Dr. Tracy in a moment.
But it's serotonin, which you've heard Talked about for years in terms of adjusting your clock if you have jet lag.
But these are not exactly drugs that do that.
We're talking about Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Afexor, Surzone, Anaphrenil, Fenfen, and Redux.
Wow.
That's a whole lot of serotonergic Dr. Tracy, how do you pronounce that word?
Theraphenergic.
Oh, just like I did.
Okay.
You did really well.
All right.
Dr. Tracy is the head of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness, author of the book Prozac, Fantasy, or Pandora, and she has a lot to say about a lot of the things that have been going on.
So, doctor, I don't even know where to begin with you, because since the last time we talked, we've had this shooting in Los Angeles, We've had Littleton, Colorado.
We've had, well, we can go on down the list, and they're terrible.
Atlanta.
Atlanta, yeah.
Oh, yeah, they found this Prozac in this guy's car.
Right.
Of course, that doesn't mean he took it, but why would he have it if he didn't take it?
Right.
So that doesn't make any sense.
And there's Phil Hartman, his family.
I guess his wife was taking this drug.
And I don't know.
I'm trying to think of the guy from Star Wars.
His wife was found dead recently.
Right, William Shatner.
William Shatner.
I don't know.
Do you have any clue whether she was on that kind of a drug?
She was on Prozac.
She was on Prozac.
Well, half the world, it seems, is on Prozac.
Yeah.
Now, isn't there a difference in all these various drugs like Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, etc.?
The way they're spelled is about it.
Are they made by the same manufacturer?
No.
Different manufacturers?
Different manufacturers, different names, but they're all the same type of drug.
They're all designed to do the same thing.
How about Ritalin?
Is Ritalin in that same category?
No, Ritalin's in a different category, but it is pretty similar in that it does have a very strong effect upon serotonin levels, and that is the problem with these drugs.
In fact, what we've found Dr. Felix Suleman was one of the pioneers in researching serotonin back in the 50's and Dr. Suleman found clear back then that what serotonin is is a stress neurohormone indicating stress in the brain throughout the system.
And he found that people that were unable to metabolize their own serotonin would have all kinds of terrible things go wrong with them.
They became, there's quite a list here, they became unable to sleep, they would suffer horrifying nightmares, they would sleep on the edge of wakefulness.
And then wake up after only a few hours of sleep and not feel rested, which is basically what sleep apnea is.
They suffered migraines, hot flashes, irritability, the sleeplessness, pains around the heart, difficulty breathing.
Of course, we saw that with the Fin Fin and Redux.
And as we read through the cardiovascular side effects of these drugs, we find very, very similar side effects.
Well, can we stay with Ritalin for just a minute, because you don't want to lump it with all these others.
So, this was in the news this week, I don't know if you saw it, I don't remember what day, but every network TV cast, the evening newscast, carry this story about Ritalin, and I'm sorry I can't remember who came out with the information, that Ritalin may not be as good for youngsters as they say it is.
And you know that Brookhaven National Laboratory, we've certainly heard enough about that lab over the years, has studied Ritalin and found the drug decreased the flow of blood to all parts of the brain by 20 to 30 percent.
And that's incredible.
And they're saying here that parents, teachers, and so, by the way, I'm reading from a report by my guest tomorrow night, which is John Rappaport.
We're going to talk about Waco, but he did a paper on this, and it says here At the meantime, parents, teachers, counselors, principals, school psychologists know nothing about this, nor do they know that cocaine produced the same blood flow effect.
And that was, that was what was in the news this week, in which the doctor was saying it has, it goes to the brain just like cocaine does.
Yeah, it's in the same drug classification as cocaine.
It is?
Oh yeah.
So, in other words, it's sort of a high class speed, is what it is.
Yeah.
Um, it's actually a methamphetamine.
Ritalin is methylphenidate.
And, uh, I don't understand why we have these big methamphetamine raids.
And the guys come out dressed in these yellow jackets and hoods and everything to decontaminate these labs that make the meth.
And yet, we feed this to our kids.
Well, you know, the thing that interests me, and we talked about this, I believe, A few months ago when you were on, is that if you take Ritalin, the military will not accept you.
Yeah, will not take it.
And that doesn't mean you're taking it now.
That means you could have taken it when you were ten years old.
That's right.
And that's true with any of these drugs.
So, if the government feels that somehow, you know, this scrambles your brain so much, they don't want you in the military... Why are you giving it to your kids?
Yeah, why are we giving it to our kids?
I mean, that's one of the most damning pieces of evidence that I think we could have about the reason that we should not be giving our kids Ritalin.
And yet, it seems to be the answer so many teachers feel, oh, the kid's a problem, well, you know, put them on Ritalin.
And doctors, doctors, you know, if you don't put your kid on Ritalin, you know, we'll call you up before the thought police or something, I don't know.
Well, if it's decreasing the blood flow to the brain, Do we know yet if it's decreasing the blood flow to other parts of the body as well?
Probably not.
You know?
Probably not.
Is that why growth is retarded by this drug?
Development is retarded by this drug?
Are we just talking Ritalin?
Well, all of these do it.
But Ritalin does.
The thing is that it works.
You know, it quiets people down, they become better students.
It's very hard to convince some teachers that maybe there's a problem here.
But it may work for 97% of the people, but wow!
that 3% that are out there, they make parents into killers sometimes.
But the military doesn't want them, that's for damn sure.
Right.
Okay, let's get back to this various other drugs, Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, etc.
Um, I have no idea how many millions of people are taking this now.
Why do you believe that something should be done about what's going on in this country?
Um, I think we're in the middle of the worst drug problem our country has ever seen.
And that is because the line between illegal drugs and legal drugs
has totally disappeared with this group of serotonergic medications.
Because we've seen serotonergic medications in the past, we now know them as LSD, PCP, And when those came out, we thought they were safe medications.
PCP was given the name Serenal, meaning peace, tranquility.
Any police officer will tell you that's not what PCP does.
LSD was put out by the makers of Prozac.
They patented it in 1956.
And we were led to believe that that was going to cure mental illness.
It was going to aid in psychoanalysis.
It would cure alcoholism.
I think they pulled out all their old files and gave us the same line about Prozac.
And we have never seen a group of drugs so similar to LSD and PCP.
In fact, if you go through and read what it is that people on PCP describe as their experience On the drug, they even use the exact same words that people on these serotonergic antidepressants use to describe their experience on these drugs.
It's very chilling to compare the two.
Now, I certainly know about all the various famous cases, like the Hartmans, Littleton, you know, we could go on and on, there could be the shooting in Los Angeles, But you've sent me some material here that's surprising.
You're saying other famous victims, Princess Di and Dodie Fayed, is that because of the driver?
Yes, because of the driver.
Well, Princess Di was on Prozac for six years before she died.
That's why she had a lot of the problems that she had.
I thought that you'd take that to alleviate your problems.
Well, that's what you're told.
Well, what about Dodie Fayed?
Was he also taking?
I don't know about Dodie.
I've wondered.
He was seeing a psychiatrist.
So it's a very strong possibility that he might have been.
What about Monica Lewinsky?
Monica was on these drugs, has been on these drugs at least six years that we know of.
She says she's still on them.
Which might explain why she had an accident.
But there's a lot of different accidents that patients will say that they They'll be driving down the road and all of a sudden they're dreaming while they drive, because your dreams enter into wakefulness on these drugs.
And that's what causes the violence, too, is when you increase serotonin, remember Dr. Suleman found that you have horrifying nightmares.
Well, you have the horrifying nightmares and then when you can't sleep enough, you go into the REM sleep, which is your dream state while you're awake.
So if you're going into that dream state while you're awake and what you're having is nightmares, you act out your worst nightmare, which is what Bryn Hartman did.
Before you pass by and go to Bryn Hartman, Monica Lewinsky, that was what happened in her accident.
I'm saying it was a one-person accident, one-car accident, and she went off the road.
So she apparently was dreaming like you said.
Could very easily be.
There's lots of one-car accidents now where these kinds of things have happened.
And Brent Hartman, Phil Hartman's wife, you were just starting to say something about that.
Yes.
In fact, after she shot Phil, she went to get a friend that she knew was still up that night to get him to come back and check to see if Phil was really dead or if she was having a nightmare because she could not tell the difference.
He had to check for her to tell her what was real and what wasn't.
I was going to say, I know you're very close to this case.
Very close.
I wondered, and the family is suing, who are they suing?
The drug company.
They're suing Pfizer Pharmaceutical, who are the makers of Zoloft.
The children have filed a lawsuit.
Wow.
Great kids, by the way.
Just incredible kids.
You're going to testify in this case?
I don't know that I'll be testifying, but I'll definitely be doing everything I can to help.
I've stayed really close to the family while this has gone on.
One last big name, that's Sarah, Duchess of York.
She's on these pills?
She was on Finfen.
She was on Finfen or Redux.
She was using the diet pills.
And she has come out publicly and talked about what they, the effects that she got from the drugs and the problems that she had from them.
Now, the government has said it's taking Fin-Fin off the market, hasn't it?
Uh, no.
The drug company pulled Fin-Fin from the market, but the government did not do it.
Uh, the drug company did, and because of that, the drug is still being used in this country.
You can still get it.
I thought the government, I guess it was just a government warning.
Right.
All right, Dr. Tracy, we have a lot more to talk about, and I do hope that, um, Well, I hope we do some good tonight as we move along here.
Come back, we'll talk more about Steve's effects.
Some of his very famous cases as a result.
And, um... You know, I just don't understand.
Well, maybe I do understand.
People who want to make money and don't care how.
Dr. Anne Tracey, our guest.
This is Coast to Coast AM, Saturday edition, live.
I am Hilly Rose, in for a hard throw.
I'll pretend to pray.
I'll pretend to pray.
He will wait till I'm gone.
He knows I'm gone.
He knows I'm gonna stay.
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This is Coast to Coast AM with special guest host, Killy Rose on the Premier Radio Network
We're talking about Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Bluevox, Affector Surzone, anaphronal, Fin-Fin, and Redux, and Ritalin.
If you're on any of these, or members of your family are on any of these, you want to listen to this program.
We're not telling you what to do.
We're not trying to dispense medical advice.
We're just telling you what the effects are of these drugs, and let's talk a little bit about doctors and their role in all this.
Let's talk about the Y2K connection, because there is one, and lots more.
As we continue with Dr. Anne Tracy of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness.
And we'll do that right after these words.
This is Coast to Coast AM, live on Saturday night.
Big change, because a lot of things have changed.
Art Bell is now with you Monday through Friday nights, and the repeats are done on Mondays and Fridays.
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Hope you'll remember to tune in on the weekends.
The fax number, my fax number, is Area code 831-685-FLAG or 685-3524.
And our guest is Dr. Anne Tracy of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness.
Dr. Tracy, while we are talking and giving out numbers and things, I think we should mention your book, which is Prozac, Panacea, or Pandora.
It's a book that you wrote after years of experience, a lot of case histories, And you have a, I didn't check to see on the Artville website whether there's a link.
Did you check that out?
No, I have not had a chance to check that out.
Okay, well then why don't you give your website.
The website is www.drugawareness.org.
The website too?
The website, yeah.
Okay.
The website is www.drugawareness.org.
www.drugawareness.org.
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And the website is www.drugawareness.org.
And the book is not available in the bookstores, is that right?
No, it isn't.
It's only available direct at 1-800-280-0730.
That's 1-800-280-0730.
1-800-280-0730.
Okay, and is that something that you have to call on after the holiday or is there somebody there now to take the number?
No, it does.
It's automatic.
And is that something you have to call on after the holiday or is somebody there now
to take the money?
No, it does, it's automatic.
It's automated.
So there is a message on there telling you where you can mail your order in or you can
leave credit card information.
It will be processed and sent right out.
280-0731.
Right.
Please leave your phone number in case anything goes wrong with your order.
This is Coast to Coast AM with special guest host, Hilly Rose.
We are talking with Dr. Anne Miller, I'm sorry, Anne Taylor.
Hello, Anne Tracy.
Get myself straight here.
Dr. Anne Tracy of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness.
And we are talking about Prozac.
We are talking about Luvox.
We're talking about all kinds of pills that are supposed to be do-good for everybody.
But, well, a lot of bad things are happening.
Zoloft, Paxil, Pefixor, Serzone, Anaphranil, Phenphen, and Redux.
And we'll continue our conversation with Dr. Tracy in just a moment or two.
I want to remind you that we are live on Saturday night, Sunday morning.
And we are also live on Sunday night, Monday morning.
Tomorrow on the program, first hour dedicated to WACO, more inside information, more examples of what happens when the government decides to step in.
Like most governmental functions, it doesn't turn out quite the way it's supposed to.
Or maybe, who knows, maybe it's what they plan.
I have no idea.
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It is 831, please.
Don't get the wrong prefix, area code, or whatever.
And so we will continue here.
If you have more questions for Dr. Tracy, we'll let you in on it in just a little bit.
Get your calls.
And what it is that Maybe some of your experiences as we did the last time we did this program with Dr. Tracy about three months ago.
So let's move along here and have some words that sound like this.
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Dr. Anne Tracy, our guest from the International Coalition for Drug Awareness, author of the book, Prozac, Panacea or Pandora, and we'll give you her numbers in just a little bit.
Dr. Tracy, I have a number of faxes here, people who want to be in touch with you, and of course we are going to open the phone line shortly.
We have from Portland here, thanks, so would you please ask the doctor why these drugs are put on the fast track to approval with little regard for their effects?
Does it have to do with the effect of soft money from the pharmaceutical companies?
Yes, and they did put a law through to quickly approve drugs.
These were approved on only five and six week studies.
drugs to the market? Good question and I'm sure you have an answer. Yes and they
did put a law through to quickly approve drugs. These were approved on only five
and six week studies. So after five or six weeks the original studies didn't
give us any idea what the drugs would do to an individual and most definitely it
It has a lot to do with money.
We're talking out of the top ten money makers in the world, or in this country today, five are pharmaceuticals.
Well, I think the question is, we know they make big bucks off of all this stuff, but do you think that they're paying off the legislators in some way?
They donate plenty of it to campaigns and there's a lot of concern about that and there has been.
There's a lot written about that and I think there definitely is.
It seems to me that in our country today we've got to do something about people in government taking money.
Why do they have to have all this money?
To run their campaigns.
Why can't time be donated to them?
We're just asking for graft and corruption.
The way things are set up, it's just really sad.
I have a fax here from someone who signs themselves a psycho drug victim who also experienced severe adverse effects.
I'm not sure I fully understand this.
It's fairly brief.
It says, All psychodrugs are synergistic with common neurotoxic chemicals in the environment.
These especially include the pesticide chemicals, which are severely neurotoxic.
This is because both are toxic to the human neurotransmitter system.
The combination effect is much greater than either item acting alone.
This may be a major reason for the severe adverse effects experienced by so many.
And I want to know if you're aware of the synergistic effect with common non-drug neurotoxic chemicals which proliferate our immediate environment.
Definitely.
Definitely.
In fact, I was just listening to a tape today of a show that I did where we really got into that quite a bit.
In fact, there is a doctor here locally that calls Prozac air pollution in a pill.
Because Prozac is fluorohydrochloride.
What's your air pollution?
It's the fluorohydrochloride.
Right.
And it's fluoxetine hydrochloride.
And that's what it is that you're looking at.
It's the same chemical makeup.
And he just calls it air pollution and a pill.
Well, do you think as this person assigns himself a psycho drug victim, do you think that Yes, I do.
And I'm concerned also about fluoride in the water, people being treated with fluoride.
Let me give you one example.
more likely to have this synergistic reaction?
Yes, I do.
And I'm concerned also about fluoride in the water, people being treated with fluoride.
Let me give you one example.
I had a woman who gave birth to, I think it was three children while she was on Prozac.
She was on the drug for a total of seven and a half years.
But one of the little girls that she gave birth to, when the little girl was about three, they began to treat her with fluoride.
And in no time, this little girl quit talking.
She couldn't talk where anyone could understand what she was trying to say.
She would become extremely frustrated because she could no longer speak.
And the woman called me and said, what am I going to do?
Look what's happening to my little girl.
And so I started asking questions and realized that she had begun to be treated with fluoride by her dentist.
They were giving her the pills.
And I said, oh my gosh, you can't do that.
I said, you've got to get her off of the fluoride.
And in no time she was able to speak again.
But it was that synergistic effect from being treated with the fluoride by the dentist and the combination of the drugs still in her system from her mother's use that caused her to no longer be able to speak.
It was really very frightening for the family.
One other area, this is another fax here.
Dr. Tracy, since I have become enlightened to the societal problem thanks to you, I can't believe how many people close to me are taking SSRIs.
I hear that all the time.
These people seem to be fine on the surface until I ask a little more about what got them started.
Here is my recent finding.
Aspartame, the artificial sweetener, is a possible gateway chemical to the SSRIs.
The ingredients of aspartame create neurological imbalance.
Exactly.
So you go to the doctor and he gives you Prozac.
Right.
I've always said that NutraSweet It's the closest thing we saw to Prozac that was legal before Prozac hit the market.
But you use it as a sweetener, not to change your mood.
It does.
In fact, one of the later biological psychotics that they use in the university says that if you have any tendency toward violence, you should never touch NutraSweet.
Look at the kids that we've got today.
We've got teenagers that are so concerned about their weight that they're constantly downing all this diet stuff full of NutraSweet.
And we've got the most violent bunch of kids we've ever seen.
Of course, they're popping drugs like crazy, too.
From every direction.
Because we give them Ritalin, and then we give them Prozac, and then we give them anything else we can think of to give them.
Dr. Tracy, once again, I sort of have to ask you.
Millions of kids are on Ritalin, for example, and I realize this is a slightly different situation.
Four million, I think.
Yeah, four million.
Okay.
I would suggest to you that of that group, most of them seem to have some beneficent effect, and some of them, of course, go off the deep end.
Does that mean we should stop giving them Ritalin?
Yes, I think so.
In fact, I just spoke to a friend's daughter today.
Who has been cutting herself up.
She's got 30 cuts on one arm, 50 cuts on another arm.
And come to find out, she's been on Ritalin very long term.
Very long term.
About 10 years, I think.
So we'd probably be amazed to know that half the nation at least is on these drugs, if not more.
Yeah, and you know, if it's fixing something, why on earth are they on it so long?
Apparently it doesn't fix much very quickly.
Let's go to Steve in San Antonio, Texas.
Good morning, Steve.
Good morning.
I'm going through a really tough time right now with my soon-to-be ex.
When I met her, I learned then that she was under the care of a psychiatrist here in town.
I knew that there were issues concerning her and her mother and how she felt about her and everything, but I also found out that she had been prescribed Prozac.
I think I've heard the word Paxil mentioned here.
She has gone through drug rehab at one point in time and I thought all that was behind
her and everything was under control.
I kept noticing a certain line of just being very argumentative.
I could never get her past...
Well everything that ever happened to her before became your fault, right?
Exactly.
I can see how that can be attributed just to her trauma with her mom.
Anybody that looks like or sounds like what her mother did, making her feel like she's
inferior, incompetent and so forth.
She would react to it, but it seemed like it was just enhanced.
And she would go through these wild mood swings.
And so one day, I just remarked, it almost seems like you're bipolar sometimes, this Jekyll and Hyde syndrome.
And it would seem to correspond with her taking of these drugs, where it looked like it was just enhanced.
And, of course, that would just make it worse.
She would think I was making fun of her.
And, you know, I kept thinking that there's a problem here, and it really came to a head here last month or so.
She moved out of the house, and then she came back after I, you know, I pleaded with her to come back.
She had said, you need to make some changes, and for the past two and a half months I've been making those changes, and it's been actually working.
Things got much better, so I thought that she'd Suddenly moved out, came back in tears, saying, I don't know what's wrong with me.
I find I've been lying to people.
I've been telling lies.
Well, it turns out she was telling lies about me, behind my back.
Of course, that made things worse.
Her family doesn't know what to believe now, so now they're afraid for the children.
Even though she moved back in, she went back home one night, came back the next morning with her parents, moved out all her stuff, and now she's gone.
But I kept thinking, Something's wrong here.
Her doctors, of course, won't talk to me.
Right.
But I see this, and something that I heard you mention earlier in the program, you mentioned that it causes people to be very argumentative, and the argument makes absolutely no sense, and certainly if I had known that that was a side effect, I think there's something I could have done.
Well, what could you have done?
I could have helped with.
Well, what could you have done?
Well, we could have gone in to talk with her doctor about it.
We could have gone in to talk to marriage counseling.
In fact, we had made an appointment.
That's one of her conditions.
And so I said, well, fine.
My concern was that I wasn't sure after we found out that she was diagnosed by her doctor as being manic depressive.
I guess it's bipolar disorder is what it's called.
After being on the drugs?
I'm sorry?
After being on these drugs?
Well, yeah.
In fact, that's the most common diagnosis.
I'm sorry?
That's the most common diagnosis after these medications.
It's incredible.
Steve, I'm going to have to move along.
I think we've got the picture pretty well.
I thank you much for the call.
Let's go to Kentucky.
Talk to James on a cell phone.
Hi, good morning, James.
Yes, I'm calling kind of in defense of Ritalin and Prozac just a little bit.
Glad to have you.
I know.
When I was younger, I was hyperactive and I took Ritalin.
According to what my mom said, it calmed me down.
I'm 31 now.
Back in 93 and 94, I was on Prozac.
I had some mental problems.
Actually, I went through a lot of stress, divorce and everything.
When I was in the MHMR Hospital, They told me about Prozac and what it did and how your brain produces two kinds of chemicals to keep you in balance.
And that when you go through some kind of shock or stress, your brain stops producing that one chemical and Prozac helps your brain produce it again.
They lied.
And that when your brain starts producing it right, you need to come off of it slowly.
What I think is happening with this Prozac and people going berserk is, or I guess that's the word you could use, Doctors aren't taking them off Prozac, and the brain continues to produce more of that chemical, and more and more puts them off balance again.
Prozac worked for me fine, and I'm not on it anymore.
I came off it gradually, and I think it's not the problem with the company that's making it.
I think it's the doctors and the lack of information that's out there.
Well, we're not going to disagree with you, James.
It's both, really.
It's ignorance on the part of the doctors, It's also the companies in the sense that they're not giving the full information and no warnings that they should.
Hey, appreciate the call.
And Dr. Tracy, we'll let you comment on that if you want after this break that's coming up.
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Well, the faxes are pouring in for Dr. Tracy, as are the phone calls.
It's a very hot subject and I've got some faxes that challenge Dr. Tracy so we'll get to those and see what more we can find out about these various drugs and what they're doing to our society.
And I think because so many people tune in and out we should mention to you once again that the The fellow who shot up the Jewish Day Center in Los Angeles and killed the postman was on these drugs.
One of the shooters in Littleton, Colorado was on these drugs.
And the fellow in Atlanta who recently killed 13 people was apparently on these drugs.
They found them in his automobile.
The case of the crash of Princess Di and Dodi Fayed, which just came to a conclusion a couple of days ago when France said It was the driver.
It was not the other people.
It was the driver that did this, that caused the accident.
And he was on these drugs.
Monica Lewinsky had an accident just last week.
She's been on these drugs.
This was a single auto accident.
She went off the road.
And I could go on and on and on and on of all these various incidents that we hear about in the news all the time.
Certainly the case of Mr. and Mrs. Phil Hartman, and Dr. Tracy is very, very involved with that particular case.
And they're suing the makers of Zoloft.
And so, we will move along here and try to dispense information.
And I'm going to challenge Dr. Tracy in just a couple of minutes, so you hang on there.
And we will continue with these words.
She heads up a group called the International Coalition for Drug Awareness, author of the book Prozac, Panacea, or Pandora, which is only available from a special phone number.
Why don't you give me that phone number, Dr. Tracy?
Are you there, Dr. Tracy?
Can you hear me?
Yeah, I hear you now.
Okay.
What's that phone number?
1-800-280-0730.
800-280-0730.
Okay, and that's, you know, I've read the book, and I would think that anybody taking these drugs certainly ought to at least inform themselves.
And now, back to the best of Art Bell.
Do you have any comment on what the last caller said in the last half hour?
Definitely.
I think what should be said is something that we haven't said yet.
And that is, there were two developers of the serotonin binding process.
One, Dr. Solomon Snyder.
The other, Dr. Candace Pert.
Solomon Snyder is at Johns Hopkins.
Considered one of the leading biological psychologists in the country today and Dr. Pert was head of the brain chemistry department at the National Institute of Health for 13 years.
So there's the background on these two individuals.
Dr. Snyder has said that the psychedelic drugs have their effect by what they do to serotonin.
What they do to serotonin is exactly what these drugs do to serotonin.
They do it by mimicking serotonin is what he said.
So as we increase serotonin we should expect the same thing.
Dr. Kurt two years ago in Time Magazine, October 20th, 1997, if anybody wants to look it up,
page 8, Dr. Candice Kurt came out speaking of these drugs and said, I am alarmed at the
monsters I have created.
I can tell you that never in the history of medicine has a developer of a drug come out
as strongly as she has against these drugs.
Thank you.
So when you have the developers of the process that made all these drugs possible speaking out in those strong terms, the people taking these medications had better listen.
Why would you want to take a drug that the developer Well, by sheer coincidence, I have a number of faxes here.
We'll try and get to as many as I can, but this one's a little bit lengthy, and it is a letter from a doctor, a psychiatric consultant from South Carolina, and he has sent me a copy.
It's a two-page letter, and I'll try and paraphrase her to be as quick as I can.
A letter that he sent to Candace Pert, research professor at Georgetown University Medical Center.
Okay.
In which he says, I am deeply concerned about the damage you may be doing to some of the individuals I have in my care, as well as others throughout the world.
You discuss Luvox having a frequent adverse reaction of manic reaction and psychotic reaction.
If you check the PDR, which is the book that has prescriptions in it, You will note that these are adverse effects associated with the use of Luvox, and please note that Luvox is used in conjunction often with other medicines, and sometimes alone in the treatment of manic depressive disease and severe depression, which have of their own nature and natural course manic reactions and psychotic states.
To truly find what is the side effect of any medication, one must compare it to a double-blind placebo-controlled group and take the differences between the incidents in the placebo group The incident's found in the treaty group.
If you are a researcher, and again, this is a letter to Dr. Perth, if you are a researcher, I guess she's, I don't know if she's a doctor, she's a research professor.
She's a researcher.
Yeah.
If you are a researcher, you know that, and as a researcher, I am chagrined that you would knowingly misrepresent and mislead individuals who may not have the educational background to interpret data themselves.
And then it goes on, talking about SSRIs, says, certainly, I'm wrapping up here, Certainly, any drug can be inappropriately prescribed, as prescribed at too high of a dose, or be ineffective in the condition it is to treat.
As a physician, I am well aware that other medications for other illnesses often have much more untoward side effects than do the SSRIs, and are used more casually by the general physician.
I likewise have seen individuals without psychiatric training
utilizing psychotropic medication in inappropriate ways, such as trying to medicate a way at alcoholics hangover
and depressive lifestyle, rather than referring them to AA, thereby making matters worse.
One thing is certain, there is no one way that is the correct way for every individual patient.
Your dogmatic and polarizing statements are a continuation of the bashing of a psychiatric illness,
which is a far more destructive form of discrimination than racial discrimination.
I suggest you avail yourself of an intensive course in medical ethics.
Ooh, wow.
Now, again, let me stress, this was not written to you.
This was written to Candace Pertz at Georgetown.
But nonetheless, there are some things in here that I think you should comment on.
My first comment is, why didn't he send that to the drug manufacturer?
Because all Candace Pertz was doing was quoting them.
They're the ones that say that their drug, Fluvox, Frequently causes psychosis and mania.
All she's doing is quoting what's right in their handouts that comes directly with the drug.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
I don't care where he said it.
He saw her evaluation and wherever it came from, he's upset with her saying, look, I'm a doctor, you're not.
Therefore, I think you need to understand that we do prescribe these things with great success.
Show me.
Show me.
Has suicide gone down?
In the ten years since these drugs have been on the market, has our suicide rate gone down?
How effective are they?
Well, they must be effective to some degree.
Then why hasn't suicide gone down?
Why has murder-suicide skyrocketed across the nation?
Why are mothers killing their children at an absolutely alarming rate that we've never seen before, and such a high number of them on these drugs?
You know, they keep talking about their success, and I say, show me.
Show me.
I don't see it.
Every time I talk to an individual that even thinks that they've done well, after I talk to them for a while and show them all the different side effects that come from these drugs, They start pointing out this and this and this and this, saying, oh my gosh, I didn't know that was a side effect.
I've had this, I've had this, I've had this.
I had no idea it was related to my medication.
And I, to find someone who's done okay is extremely rare.
Well, if, you know, doctors are not going to come out and say, look, I've got 200 patients and they're all doing well on these drugs.
That wouldn't impress you at all, would it?
Well, the FDA reports don't show that.
Prozac has led the way from the beginning when it was introduced for adverse reactions filed with the FDA.
Its closest competitor has about half the number of reports as Prozac does.
So, you know, The stats aren't there to prove what he's saying.
All right, let's move along here.
There's another fax.
It says, listening to the broadcast has gotten me quite concerned about the course of my treatment my doctor has prescribed for me.
I'm taking a tricyclic antidepressant described for depression and to rebalance the neurotransmitters in my brain after a few months in a heavy drinking.
Yet you are saying that antidepressants typically promote alcoholism and contribute to depression.
That's right.
So he's saying That's right, they do.
If antidepressants aren't the answer, what methods of alleviating depression are the most helpful and least toxic?
There are many things.
I attended an entire seminar at the National Institute of Health a year ago where there
were doctors from around the world that presented all of their research and their experience
with patients using omega-3 oils, which is flaxseed oil, fish oil, or the omega-3s.
They had amazing results with schizophrenia, mania, depression, hyperactivity, even seizures
with using these oils.
Something you can get at a health store.
And yet, they had patients that were schizophrenic that had symptoms disappear using flaxseed
oil.
And we have new research also out of the University of Florida that has just come out in the last
few months showing that people that are schizophrenic and autistic, now keep in mind that all of
these are caused by high serotonin levels.
Schizophrenia and autism, they found that 80% of the patients that had it, that they
were doing the study with, had symptoms.
symptoms disappear when they took them off dairy products and a lot of the gluten products.
They found that they were unable to metabolize these proteins and they would build up and
act like morphine in the brain and morphine increases serotonin levels.
So what is, what say, what would you recommend for depression?
What would I recommend?
That's what he's asking.
If I were someone in his position, first of all I would go on a hypoglycemic diet.
Get off sugars is what you do with hypoglycemia.
Eat small meals every two hours to three hours so that you're constantly keeping your blood sugar level up.
That's what I would do.
Definitely a hypoglycemic diet.
Use some very good natural vitamins and start rebuilding the body and you will be amazed at how depression will begin to go away.
Also going to bed early.
If someone is unable to take medication, there is research to show that a doctor will put you to bed early for a week, say 6 or 7 o'clock.
You go to bed early for a week and that will knock depression for 6 months at a time.
Well, there goes my audience who stay up late.
Let's go to San Diego and talk to Tim.
Hey, Tim.
Are you there, Tim?
Dr. Rhodes?
Yeah.
How are you doing?
I'm well.
Great.
Dr. Jones, I've got a question for you.
Okay.
I was diagnosed as ADHD and ADD, and I took Ritalin and also Lithium as a child, basically from the ages of about 8 to about 13.
And when I was taking those drugs, Same thing, I was, in my mind, I was just, in a way, joking with it and going against the drugs.
And they took me off of it.
And I proceeded to live my life and, you know, do what I needed to do.
The question I need to ask you is, I have a problem with the excuses that we use on crime or against crime when people are on something like Prozac or Ritalin or Lithium or whatever drugs we're using.
I understand there is chemical imbalances.
But I also understand, though, there is problems that a person, maybe regardless from a childhood all the way to adulthood, that they have to resolve, and drugs, and I agree, are not the problem, I mean, are not the answer.
But to use those as excuses to saying that they're going to go out there and shoot somebody or kill people, I think that's, it's a joke, and not to put down those people that have died, unfortunately.
But I think it's an excuse for that individual to use, well, I was on this or this and that kind of drug.
I think that, to me, is a slap in my face of what I have achieved in my life.
And you were talking about those successes and very few successes on people who are on these supposedly these drugs.
I'd like to think personally that I might have been on somewhat of a success.
And if anything, a lot of these people are using these drugs for excuses if they make a mistake in life.
I'd just like to hear your comment on that.
Yeah, and I've heard that before, and that is something that I had to struggle with for a very long time in doing my research, and it's one of the reasons why I continued to do research, because I saw people doing things that were so completely and totally out of character for them.
They were things that they had never done before in their life, and that I couldn't understand.
It was very confusing for me.
And I am very religious so, you know, I do believe in people taking responsibility.
So that became very difficult for me to understand.
There is one entire chapter in my book that talks about sleep and sleep disorders and that is what made me finally understand why people do the things they do on these drugs and how they are not accountable.
Because there are brainwave patterns that I show in my book that shows a patient on these drugs and the brain shows that they are in a total anesthetic sleep state, dreaming with their eyes wide open, appearing alert and functioning, and yet they're acting out dreams.
How can you hold somebody accountable when they're acting on a nightmare?
All right, with all the time we have for now, And we will continue with Dr. Tracy into the next hour, so you stay right there.
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The subject tonight is serotonergic medications. Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Lubox, Defexor, Serzone,
anapranil, fenfen, and redox.
Good thing I'm not a doctor, I can't pronounce those names.
My guest is Dr. Anne Blake Tracy, a Ph.D.
in psychology and health sciences, who has specialized for 10 years in adverse reactions to serotonergic medications.
I'm slurring over it.
She is the Executive Director of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness, author of the book Prozac, Panacea, or Pandora.
I want to get to a lot more calls, doctors, so let me just give you some facts really, really quickly here.
My wife is taking Imipramine for postpartum depression.
Is that in the same category as an antidepressant?
It is an antidepressant.
It's not in the same category as the SSRI antidepressant, but it probably should be.
It has a very, very strong effect upon serotonin.
It is mentioned in my book.
I do talk about the drug and its effect upon serotonin.
Okay, but it's not as bad as some of the others.
Is that what you're saying?
No, it's really close.
Okay.
Really close.
Okay.
Enough to scare me.
Please ask your guest what she thinks is worse, children smoking marijuana or children taking these antidepressants.
And what do you think kids would choose if given a choice to use one or the other?
Definitely the antidepressants.
They would choose that?
Without a doubt.
And you think that's worse?
They've been selling it to each other for years.
Yeah, that's true.
The kid right across the street from me Let's see, this was five years ago she was offered Prozac at school.
Offered to buy some.
Wow.
And last one I'm going to read here is, I am diagnosed with narcolepsy with severe catalepsy several years ago.
The only treatment ever offered to control catalepsy has been Prozac, Zoloft, Epsor.
Without these I am left completely debilitated to complicate that.
I am prescribed Ritalin and other amphetamines to combat the constant sleepiness.
Narcolepsy is a really terrible disorder.
It's something that I have not yet had a chance to really look into, but I remain convinced that there are alternatives out there that are natural and harmless.
I really believe that there are.
Which we discussed in the last half hour.
Right.
Let's move along here and take a call from Mike in Mobile, Alabama.
Good morning, Mike.
Good morning, Dr. Tracy and Mr. Rose.
Hi.
Hi.
You've had a lot going on in Alabama.
Oh, sure have.
I'd like to first say that I think, it's my understanding that after five years that you're off of these drugs that you can join the military.
Okay.
You know.
Whatever that's worth.
Whatever that's worth.
Which means it takes five years to get off of it before they think your brain's scrambled enough, or unscrambled enough.
Go ahead.
Right, but Dr. Tracy, I should be a case study for you.
Because I've been on Zoloft for three years.
And it saved my life.
And these people, some of these people, it's the opposite of what happened to me.
I was having panic attacks.
I thought I was dying.
I was short-tempered, paranoid, and the doctors first started treating me with some kind of hydroxine drug, or allergy, a strong allergy drug, I don't know if you're familiar.
But that didn't work, and then the doctor put me on Zoloft, and my wife tells me now I'm the person she fell in love with.
And it totally changed my life.
Well, Dr. Casey, you say, show me, and here's a guy saying, here I am.
Um, true.
Have we got a half hour to start asking him some of the side effects he might be having?
No, we've just got a couple of minutes.
Okay.
What side effects are you having?
Um, I'm a fairly happy individual.
Have you read through the list of side effects?
I don't have a clue.
Do you have any chest pain?
No.
Okay.
That's one thing that would really concern me is that the heart is being affected.
Watch for that.
Watch for tightness in your chest, difficulty breathing.
Those are severe physical side effects.
At least keep an eye out on those.
What about your sleep though?
Can you sleep?
Well, I'm a night person, so as a matter of fact, it's a little bit after my bedtime.
I was staying up so I could talk to you, but I should have been in bed about an hour ago, and I'll sleep until about 11 or noon tomorrow, but that's normal for me.
Okay, Michael, it sounds like you're, you know, you're a good case study here, as you said, and Doctor, you're not saying that everybody who takes these drugs is going to have a bad reaction, are you?
Three years is a long time on this drug.
Yeah, but if it's working, why are you arguing about it?
Because of the... See, we do know that these drugs are metabolized by an enzyme in the liver.
And the drugs themselves will slowly shut down.
They'll totally overwhelm that liver enzyme system.
So, the longer you're on them, the better the chances are that the body will no longer be able to metabolize the drug.
So it's a self-defeating process.
Doctor, can I ask you this?
Sure.
Is what you're saying that if I'm on this drug long term that I will be destroying my liver?
The liver is very strongly affected by these drugs, yes.
But we do know that one particular liver enzyme system begins to shut down.
That it can no longer metabolize the drug itself, and then it builds to high levels.
And of course, you have a toxic reaction.
And that's what you're trying to avoid, is the toxic reaction.
I think, Mikey, you know, we can't diagnose your particular condition.
I understand that, but what she's saying, she's saying is be aware of the side effects.
Read up on it, on the drug, and, you know, decide for yourself.
Right, you need to know what to watch for Mike.
Okay, thanks Mike.
Let's move along here to Vail, Colorado and talk to Steve.
Good morning Steve.
Good evening.
I would make another good case study for your doctor.
Okay.
Positive or negative?
Both.
I believe fully in what she's trying to get across, is that I'm therapeutic.
Administration of these antidepressants is completely inappropriate.
You have to be in therapy to have a useful monitor to achieve your goal.
Your goal is to get rid of the depression.
I have been on Prozac for nine years.
Since January last week I was just given permission to go off of it.
Now I'm on another SSRI called Buspirin.
It's an anti-anxiety and it works quite similarly.
The family history I have is both my mother's family and father's family had suicide and depression.
My family has the same trait.
I have two sisters and one brother.
For a clinical depression where you have suffered an extremely great loss.
My sister has for five years been staring at the wall because she lost permission to see her grandchildren.
I lost a partnership that I worked in for nine years.
And I was kicked out as it became profitable.
And after one year of therapy with a psychologist, I was told by the psychologist, I have to recommend you to a psychiatrist who is an M.D.
who prescribes a psychoactive drug.
Okay, so I took it for the next three years and I no longer wanted to kill my ex-partner's widow.
The other partner committed suicide on me, so I lost about a quarter million dollars.
And I had to borrow money and start all over in my new business.
Now three years later I was grounded on a lightning strike.
And so all of a sudden I had great anxiety.
I was very depressed about not being able to work and I had great anxiety.
I was on both Dilantin, I was on Prozac, and I was on Buspirin, or Buspar.
And so as these things have gone through their phases of me getting over my lightning strike, which was July of 94, Last year, in April of 1998, I got Bell's Palsy.
Now, coming through Bell's Palsy, I got a damn near full cure of it in three or four months for the major nerves, but then I started getting the ticking and the twitching.
And so I started experimenting, the doctor, the neurologist, I had an EEG, is this related to the lightning strike, so on.
All in all, it comes back to the point, if your doctor Not seeing you every month to six weeks and kind of monitor your reaction to whether you're high or low or hypermanic or hypermanic or you're maintaining.
I got so successful in the last month after I got off Valdez Palsy and started working again after not working for a year that he said you're okay, you're approaching hypomanic.
Let's switch from Prozac Over to Bruce Byron and once again it's an SSRI but it affects different neurotransmitters in a different manner.
I think, yeah, we do understand and I don't need any more about your particular condition.
Yeah, but I just got off of it after nine years and I think I've been completely successful.
How quickly did you come off?
What?
Well he just came off of it last week.
Oh yeah, it only has a seven and a half day half-life.
Wow.
That means that anything you take today is half out of your system in seven days.
I've been off of it for two weeks, so I'm completely out of Prozac in my system.
Not in your brain, though.
It accumulates in the brain tissue.
I beg to differ with you.
You can take the blood test, but I have no trace.
If you look at the half-life, as given on the prescription pharmacist, it says seven and a half day half-life.
Okay, Dr. Tracy, you seem to react badly to the three drugs he was taking all at one time.
Why is that?
They're not supposed to be used together.
You're not supposed to use Silantin with Prozac.
In fact, there was a mother in San Francisco that killed her three children and then tried to kill herself while she was on that particular combination.
Well, why do you argue with it when, you know, here he is and he's saying, I'm happy and I'm off this drug and, you know, why is there a problem here?
Because I think he's going to have some serious problems probably about six, seven, eight months down the road now after coming off of Prozac that quickly.
And we do have research to show that the half-life is much longer.
It's brand new research that it's far, far longer than seven days.
And we also have research to show that the drug does accumulate in brain tissue at a rate 100 times greater than what's in the blood.
And it will stay there for a very long time.
So as it stays in the brain, it's interacting with any other new drug that you're putting into your system.
All right, my friend, I appreciate the call.
Let's move along here to Austin, Texas and talk to Jim.
Good morning, Jim.
Good morning, Hillary and Dr. Tracy.
Hi, Jim.
I would like to offer my family's experience as a negative in this case study that we're doing here, the last three calls.
The powers that be, the school system, the courts, all are pressuring parents not to
disallow their children this drug when they are prescribed it by the teachers.
The teachers use it rather indiscriminately.
Now there are 10 to 15% of the school population on Ritalin or a similar amphetamine.
The number is doubling every two years.
These facts are common knowledge.
I've talked to psychiatrists.
The psychiatrist that prescribed this drug for my son said that he expected it would level at 30% of the school population would be on amphetamines.
My son was diagnosed with ADHD in the first grade.
I knew better than to put my son on amphetamines and I told my wife so.
She was pressured by the school administrators, the teachers, the counselor, That my boy needed this drug and that I needed to study the evidence that what a wonderful miracle drug this is.
It's almost a smart pill is the impression that she was given.
So she, against my will, put my son on this Ritalin for four years before I found out about it.
It was part of our divorce at that point.
We agreed in our divorce to, because the kids wanted to live with me, that they would live with me, I found out at that point that we agreed.
The divorce was final and I had custody of my two boys, my oldest being on Ritalin.
I found out about it five months after I had custody.
I immediately took my son off of it.
The school administrators I convinced my wife that it was an emergency, that my son was going to fail out of school without this drug and that they needed to... It was an emergency and she went to court and got a judge to say it was an emergency, that they needed to be taken out of my custody because I wouldn't allow them the Ritalin that the doctor said they needed.
So on temporary orders and finally on final orders, the children were taken away from me.
The courts, with the teachers, the counselors, the psychologists, all saying that the boy needed the drug.
There's no way a parent can resist it.
In court, they ruled against me.
It is an insidious thing, and I hope that other parents... It should be obvious that impediments are not something that you would want children to have.
Okay, Jim, I really appreciate that call.
You brought up an interesting point, which we'll continue with into the next portion of the program.
We are talking here with Pam Tracy, who is trying to say, hey folks, there's something going on in America that we should be paying attention to.
This is a live edition of Coast to Coast AM, as all of our weekend programs are now.
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Once again, talking with Anne Blake Tracy, doctor, head of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness.
Dr. Tracy, what got you started in this whole thing?
You know, not too many people have made this their specialty, that's for sure.
Most doctors haven't a clue to what's going on.
So what got you started?
Well, I tell everyone that what got me started was I live in the Prozac Laboratory and everyone else calls it Utah.
We've kind of led the way in the use of these drugs.
I know the county just below us for years has used six times the national average.
Utah as a whole uses three times the national average of all these so-called medications.
And when you're absolutely completely surrounded by it, it kind of gets your attention.
So that's how I got started.
In fact, one of the very first things that I noticed was the cravings for alcohol.
And that would stand out like a sore thumb in Utah where it may not other places.
Because when you're surrounded by teetotaling Mormons that become alcoholic almost overnight on these medications, it really shows.
These are people that have never touched alcohol before and yet they're having such a strong effect.
It's scary.
Well, the body is a pretty wise thing on its own.
Yes, it is.
And therefore, I have to wonder, if it creates a desire for alcohol, what does alcohol do that the body craves so much?
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Well, what it does, when you increase serotonin, it causes rushes of insulin, which drops your blood sugar very low.
So, what they're trying to do is bring the blood sugar level back to normal.
And you reach for alcohol, you reach for sugar, the wrong things to reach for to normalize the blood sugar.
But they will do it very quickly.
The problem is that they will then subsequently drop it lower than ever.
You need another drink and another drink, or more sugar and more sugar.
Well, yeah, but there are plenty of ice cream parlors in Utah.
True.
So then they have the dairy that's increasing the serotonin that's causing the blood sugar to drop.
So we use lots of dairy, we use lots of Jell-O, lots of sugar, all of those things would set us up for Prozac use.
The Jell-O increases serotonin levels, the gelatin does, the dairy does, and so does the sugar.
Do you feel ten years later now that you wish you hadn't gotten into this because it's so depressing?
Oh, definitely.
I wish I didn't have to do this at all.
I wish it didn't exist, so I didn't have to do it.
This is the last thing on earth I want to be doing.
Maybe you should be taking Prozac, Doctor.
Alright, quick question here before I get back to calls, and that is, the guy called from Alabama, and you said a lot going on in Alabama right now.
What do you mean by that?
Right.
In Alabama, I have got two cases.
Both 16-year-old boys, both in the same school, that are both in prison for murder right now.
One on Prozac, the other on Zoloft.
The boy on Zoloft killed someone, I think, just five days on the drug.
The other boy was on a combination of Prozac and Ritalin he used.
You ready for this?
Sledgehammer.
A butcher knife, um, sledgehammer, butcher knife, gosh I've forgotten it so awful, an axe, and a pointed mechanics file.
Wow, he really wanted to get the job done.
Yeah, he killed both of his parents, and attacked his little brothers and little sisters.
Terrible tragedy.
Yeah, just really tragic, and his case was very, very similar.
To Bryn Hartman's in the fact that he didn't know where he was afterwards.
Had to ask directions in an area where he'd lived in his whole life.
But right there in the same school... Two?
Two they've already got?
This is insane.
I've got a case down in Tennessee that's happened since we did our last show.
A mother that killed her children and then herself.
In the same small town six years ago, a mother on Prozac killed her two children and herself.
I mean, the sheriff is so sick of this, he says, I want you on Larry King Live.
You know, this has just got to stop.
Why don't we talk to law enforcement?
They're the ones that have to clean up the mess after the drug companies are finished with these drugs.
Why don't we talk to the American Medical Association?
They don't see the patient too much after they've got the drug.
Alright, well the reason I ask you about Alabama because we have a caller from Mobile again and this is Keanu.
Hi, good morning to you.
Hello.
Yes, go ahead.
Hi.
I would say I'm another one helped by medication.
I've had depression since I was a child and my doctor When I was twelve years old, I told my parents that I needed to see a psychiatrist.
I had a series of panic attacks at the time that put me in the hospital.
My parents refused because they didn't believe in psychiatry because of their religion.
So I suffered with depression all my life up until my late twenties when I decided to seek psychiatric help myself.
I've taken Prozac took it for a year and I didn't have any bad side effects from it except it made me impotent.
It didn't make me want to try to go out and kill anyone or anything like that.
I believe that the problem with this comes from people that are already inclined to do something like this.
No, that's absolutely wrong and I won't even, I won't even Let me finish what I've got to say.
I think physicians need to evaluate their patients more before they give them these drugs.
I'm on Effexor now.
I've heard Hilly mention that drug a few times tonight.
Right, it's the same drug.
That drug has helped me so much.
I'm no longer depressed.
I...
It's just...
It's like my...
My world has become brighter since I've been taking this medication.
And...
And sure, I have side effects from it.
But in everything in life, you have trade-offs.
You're going to have side effects with medication.
But with all the medications I've ever taken, I study up on the side effects.
I make sure that I know things that could go wrong.
Did you know that in the initial studies with Effexor, then, that one-third of the patients couldn't get off of the drug?
Well, I've taken it before and stopped, and then I'm back on it again.
And when I stopped it, I stopped at cold turkey, and I had no trouble.
For how long?
For how long, Keanu?
Uh, for how long, what?
Did I take it?
Yeah, did you stop it?
I took it for about three months, and then it seemed to quit doing its job.
So I stopped at cold turkey.
Yeah, but you're back on it now, and I'm asking how long between the time you stopped it and the time you started again.
Or did they put you on another drug?
They put me on another drug.
Right.
Which was Elevelle.
Yeah, I'm still trying to find out how long between... Oh, okay.
I'm sorry.
About a year.
Between the time you stopped and you started again.
Exactly.
Why did they put you back on it then?
Because I asked to be put back on it.
Okay, so what she's saying may not be untrue.
In other words, she's saying all these people couldn't get off of it.
Well, I mean, it was a year.
Well, you... I know, but you could stop something, but you wanted to go back on it.
Well, the reason I wanted to go back on it was, initially, when I first started, in the beginning, it was the drug that helped me the most.
I mean, I've had to try several, several different medications to try to get my depression under control.
I mean, I've never been suicidal or anything like that, but I would close myself off from the rest of the world, you know, and not even want to Be around people or anything.
And I had to have some help.
I mean, what does she say about this as far as what should you do instead of taking medication?
What's the answer?
Okay, we went through that a couple... Taking medication.
What's the answer?
We went through that a couple hours ago, but we're very glad to go over it again, and thank you much for the call, Keanu.
Dr. Tracy?
As we mentioned before, there are quite a few different things that you can do that are non-toxic solutions, and it would have been nice to know if he had any blood sugar disorders in his family, like diabetes or hypoglycemia, because often when depression starts that early in life, it's a symptom of a blood sugar disorder.
So, going on a hypoglycemic diet could help if that's the problem that runs through your family.
Using flaxseed oil or fish oil or another, the omega-3 oil, as I mentioned before, the National Institute of Health had an entire seminar on using those last year for all of these different disorders.
And then also, another thing that I found that's very, very helpful is noni juice.
And then also we mentioned sleep, which maybe we shouldn't mention on your show.
No, that's okay.
They can sleep during the day, just not at night.
Or go to bed at the end of the show.
That's fine.
Okay.
Dr. Tracy, the... darn, I was going to ask you a question that went clear out of my... oh, I know what it is.
You know, we've had a number of examples tonight of people who've been on these drugs, who like what's happening to them on these drugs.
Right.
And, you know, this is a nation with a lot of problems.
And a lot of people are taking these drugs.
Now, if you just could wave a magic wand and get rid of them all, you might have more murder, mayhem, and problems than you do right now.
We didn't before.
Oh, sure you did.
You ever hear of Lizzie Borden?
Yes, but that was... She stood out like something that... I mean, it was just so rare to hear anything like that.
Now it's every day.
Yeah, but life is that way now.
In your own neighborhood, it's everywhere.
Yeah, but life is speeded up now, as we know.
The quickening is with us.
And, you know, a lot of crime is committed, a lot of things.
Of course, people are on other kinds of drugs.
Right.
Some of them are similar, like cocaine.
Yes, and cocaine makes the world much brighter, too.
You feel really good on it.
Yeah, that's true.
And people that are on it will swear by it.
That's just the way drugs work.
And cocaine once was thought to be wonderful.
Freud thought it was great.
He gave it to all of his patients.
He himself became addicted to cocaine.
We're just doing it again.
In a different form.
Right.
We're just using a different drug.
Let's go to Virginia Beach, Virginia and talk with Rich.
Hi, Rich.
Hello.
Good morning, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Going to a psychiatrist, an inpatient, an outpatient, the whole nine yards.
And I have taken, you know, everything that has been, I've heard been mentioned in the past hour from Prozac, which, you know, I could tell, you know, after a week At least a week.
That wasn't doing me any damn good.
And I told my psychiatrist, you know, and he said, well, I'll put you on something else.
And so, what he put me on was, uh, um, uh, not a, uh, not Luvox is what I'm on now, but, uh, Uh, Zoloft, yes, I was on that man before.
So I put you on the same thing spelled differently.
Yes, and I was on that for two and a half years, and that was supposed to help, uh, with, uh, chronic anxiety, and slash panic attacks, and depression, and I couldn't see it helping with either one of them.
What's your point, Rich?
I don't want you to case history.
What are you trying to say?
Well, I'm trying to say that I've been on all these drugs, these different drugs.
And you're still on them?
Well, no, I've just gotten off of the last two.
The, uh... The, uh... Prozac.
Well, I... What does it matter?
I got all that.
I'm still trying to find out what your point is.
I, you know, we could all go through our case histories, but I'm trying to find out what are you trying to say about that?
Uh, well, um, my doctor put me on Luvox.
He took me off of Vstar and... Okay, Rich, I don't want, I don't want to hear any more about your personal case.
I want to know, what are you, what's the point you're making?
Um, the point, I, I'm, I'm trying to make is that people should be given, you know, like my pharmacist now, you know, he gives us a sheet of information as to the side effects, you know, everything else that they have learned about the drug, like something out of the PDR that doctors use.
Right.
That's a great help, you know?
Because if any of those symptoms occur, you can go back and tell your doctor about it.
Well, I think that's true of any drug, actually.
Yeah, but I don't think it's being used enough.
People may not be reading it, but it's there.
Okay, Rich, I appreciate the call.
I thank you very much.
And, Doctor, do you want to comment on that at all?
Because clearly, this is a guy who thinks things are good with him.
But he's been on these drugs for years and I don't think he's improved at all.
Doesn't sound too good.
Well, he did make a good point in talking about the handout that comes with the drug.
People need to know that that is added to constantly as patients begin to report their side effects.
For instance... I haven't got time for that.
Go ahead.
I'll let you finish your thought on the other side, okay?
Fine.
So just hang in there, please.
Dr. Tracy didn't mean to cut her off, but when you're out of time, you're out of time, friends.
This is live, coast-to-coast AM.
I am Hilly Rose, sitting in for Art Bell.
And Blake Tracy is our guest at the International Coalition for Drug Awareness.
Dr. Tracy, I have a very long, unfortunately, fax here.
And I can't possibly read it all to you, but this will make you feel good.
It's a lady who says, thank you so much for tonight's topic.
As a mother of a six-year-old diagnosed with very mild ADD and prescribed Ritalin, I am grateful for this added information.
And she goes on and on.
I just can't read it all to you, but she is asking this.
She's saying, Please ask Dr. Tracy to elaborate on the use of diet and vitamins to assist children and adults.
Also, are nutraceuticals, I've not heard that word before, beneficial?
Who do you trust to dispense such advice?
Not doctors, certainly.
And nutritionists?
I don't know.
So, as a compliment for you, and also a question.
Let me point out that there is an entire chapter in my book on the different Natural alternatives that you can use.
And so there's quite a few pages that do cover that.
So that is one source that she can go to to find other things that she can use.
Why don't you give us the telephone number for that?
800-280-0730.
800-280-0730 800-280-0730
and the website is www.drugawareness.org There's a lot of information there, too, talking about the different things that you can do.
If her child is still on sugar, I'd get him off.
I don't know how parents can raise children on sugar.
I really don't.
Most of them do.
Kids are always drinking soft drinks and candy bars.
I know.
And Twinkies.
And they're bouncing off the walls.
It's just sad to see that happen when there doesn't have to be that much disruption in your life all the time.
It can be far more peaceful when the body and brain are at peace.
So there are many, many natural things that she can do, as we've discussed earlier in the show.
Doctor, you have raised this issue of blood sugar a number of times.
Right.
Now, a lot of people are diabetics in this country.
Is there a relationship then?
Definitely.
Definitely.
I said years ago that the rate of diabetes is going to skyrocket in this country because of these drugs.
You don't start messing with serotonin and not expect blood sugar disorders.
We already Hypoglycemia is at epidemic proportions in this country because of our diets, because of our extremely high consumption of refined sugars, and yet these drugs will induce it quicker than just about anything I've ever seen.
So, those problems are increasing.
I recall one young man that had called me because his wife had divorced him on one of these drugs.
And he was really upset about that and got interested and read my first book and then called me several years later after being on Sarazone for six months and started talking to me and was very upset that he did not understand that Sarazone was basically the same drug as Prozac and producing many of the same side effects.
And within a six month period, he was diabetic.
And he was only in his late 20s.
Doctor, are you saying then, as a result, that people who are diabetic, and as you point out, more and more people in the United States are being diagnosed, and this is basically a disease where the body is not able to regulate the sugar accurately or well.
Are you saying that diabetics should not take Prozac?
I would never want to see a diabetic on Prozac.
I do have a case of a woman that had mild diabetes.
She was able to control it with her diet.
After nine weeks on Prozac, she became psychotic.
The doctors wrote in the record that it was induced by Prozac, but didn't tell she and her husband.
As they went back and got the records, they were able to find that out, but her diabetes When she checked her records, she found that her blood sugar had dropped drastically while she was in the hospital.
It was very, very low.
And yet, after she got off of the Prozac, it went very high.
She could not control it.
She had to go on pills for a period of time and then really, really worked for several years to get her blood sugar back to where it was.
That's a really strong effect on what it's doing to the blood sugar and the only reason she went back and looked at that is because she read my information on what we're finding out about blood sugar and she worked on a case of a police officer who became psychotic on Prozac and ran into a police substation shooting and was killed and when she checked his records his blood sugar had dropped to 46.
to 46. 40 is comatose. So that's just extremely low.
It's just extremely low.
And all the doctors did at that point was increase his Prozac by another pill.
And two weeks later, I think it was that he did this.
Just tragic that they don't understand that connection.
Okay, doctor, let's get a lot of folks waiting to talk to you.
So let's go to Bellevue, Washington and talk with Amanda.
Good morning, Amanda.
Hello, Hilly, and hello, Dr. Tracy.
I am really enjoying the show tonight.
There's just a lot of information that I certainly did not know about.
However, when I heard that you, Dr. Tracy, you had a section in one of your books on sleep disorders, I really did have to call in.
The drug I'm on is not one that you specified as one of your specialties, per se, but I am taking phenobarbital.
I've been taking 120 milligrams and I was prescribed to take phenobarbital since the age of 8.
I am now 21.
Wow!
That's really a long time for just one drug.
It is.
Yeah, and it's done the job in keeping the seizures away.
However, I have noticed some behaviors that I myself am not comfortable with and even things I didn't know about.
Until me and my fiancé started living together.
Just breathing patterns in my sleep that I didn't know that I had.
My breathing is very short and very rapid in my sleep.
And also I will wake up, this has happened in the past year and a half to two years, I will have mornings where I will wake up and just have an overall confused state for the rest of the day.
Even simple tasks.
I will just obsess over them and it'll seem like it's just too much for me to handle.
And I've also gained a large amount of weight.
I'm now weighing in just a little over 200 pounds.
This is the most I've ever weighed.
All this, do you believe, from phenobarbital?
I'm not quite sure.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Yeah.
Why is that?
You find this drug in the same category, Doctor, as Zoloft and all the others?
Venabarbital is a very, very strong medication generally used for seizures.
And a lot of doctors are getting away from it because they now understand, you know, the problems that it does have.
But there are so many natural things that you can do.
Yeah, it's just a shame to see you stay on a drug that can cause so many problems.
Yeah, but she's having... You read the side effects on phenobarbital and they're really scary.
But if she's having seizures and then this seems to quell them, she can't just go off of it.
No, no, no.
You can't just quit.
You have to... When you come off these drugs, you have to come extremely slowly when they're drugs that are for convulsions.
But if you'll remember that seminar at the National Institute of Health, Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
Omega-3 oils for seizures.
Also, I... There are many other natural alternatives you can use to help, too.
Okay.
And with my depression, I don't have huge bouts of depression, but I have just noticed
that I have always been a very active person, have always been up doing things, and I would
never just sit in front of the television.
I would read.
But now I'm finding that I don't know if it's just a common state, but even simple things,
it's just harder for me to get up.
I'm more lethargic than I used to be.
And I don't know if it could just be a long-term side effect of the drug, or I'm not quite
sure.
And also, some family history just very quickly.
I'm also concerned about this now because I recently found out that my mother is on
Xanax.
Um, and I didn't know exactly if that would have to do with family history, or if that would be a side effect of the drug that I might need to be concerned about.
Okay, let me get you an answer off of here, and thank you much for the call, Amanda.
And thank you so much for your time.
Sure.
Alright, so goodnight.
Goodnight.
Um, Doctor?
Um, I didn't quite... She had.
Did you?
What, she... My mother being on Xanax?
Well, she was, she was just concerned.
In terms of whether it related to her condition.
But I think the more important thing is to discuss here is phenobarbital, which is a very common kind of drug usage that you haven't discussed at all, as she pointed out in talking about all these various drugs.
So are you putting it in the same category?
No.
I don't think so.
No, it's a different type of drug, but I do have a director there in Washington State My son has been on phenobarbital for years and she's been very slowly and gradually lowering his dose and the limbic rages that he was having are almost completely gone.
Her son is becoming more alert and things that they thought he was not capable of doing, he's now doing.
I do reach a point where you become more toxic the longer you're on it.
Let's move along here to Dallas, Texas and talk with Mark.
Good morning, Mark.
Good morning, Hilly and Dr. Tracy.
Hi.
I want to congratulate you, Hilly, and thank you for having this show.
I don't think a lot of the radio and TV shows have the courage to air this stuff due to sponsors and listeners that are on it and that type of thing.
Well, we don't have any prescriptions on this program.
I don't know.
I've got a pretty terrible experience with Prozac to relate, but I wanted to start by saying it's kind of silly that we even have to have a discussion like this.
I think that we're even to the point to where we can condone this type thing, drug use at this level at ADAPT.
That we even talk about it as being okay is somehow crazy to me to even think.
50 years ago, if you'd have mentioned that we'd have this many people on this stuff, you'd have been thought crazy.
But the people that I've listened to that call and support it haven't done it.
I had Prozac myself back in 1990.
When they call in and they're on this thing, with all due respect to them, they want to be right.
They support it.
But in reality, a lot of them have no idea of the options that are out there and that this isn't the only way.
Some of them that are on it, it's just a quick fix, and it's due to laziness.
The options are diet.
She talks about them.
I've experimented with a lot of them, and they work.
Diet, changing your habits, and remembering a simple Buddhist premise that life is suffering.
We're going to all be depressed at times.
We've been in a society now that's labeled everything, so we don't think that life is suffering, but it is.
A great deal of it.
But anyway, my experience Prozac.
Can I go into that?
Uh, yeah, but you're going to do it in 60 seconds.
I can do it real quick.
Go ahead.
In 1990, I started a new job up in Minneapolis.
My wife, three young kids, and it was really a stressful time, and things were not going so well.
Anyway, the doctor, not the doctor, but I had to talk to my wife, and she'd seen a show that... 30 seconds, Mark.
This new drug that was out that was going to help people with these, this type, mood problems and things.
Anyway, I took Prozac.
About three months later, I began to have fantasies about killing people, killing myself, even getting up on a bridge and shooting some people.
It was a totally bizarre and psychotic episode.
Never had anything like that.
She's right, I began to have alcohol cravings.
But, uh, a lot of this is just a quick fix, and we need to remember that the root of all this is greed by the drug companies and the people wanting to make money on it.
That's the bottom line.
No problem in other countries with this type of stuff.
Okay, thank you Mark for the call.
And we'll talk about it more with Dr. Anne Blake-Tracy on the other side.
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Okay, wrapping up our discussion about Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Effexor, Surzone, Anaphranil,
Fen-Phen, and Redux, and of course Ritalin as well.
And much earlier tonight we talked about all the very famous cases, like the Phil Hartman case, like the guy who shot up the school in Los Angeles and killed the postman, like the guy in Atlanta, Who killed 13 people including his wife and child.
And on and on and on.
There are so many of these cases.
All of these people.
All of these people.
On these pills.
That's what we're talking about.
And I'm telling you folks.
You do what you want to do.
I think you should read up on it.
Don't take the doctor's advice.
Blindly.
About anything.
Anything.
Do doctors know more than you do?
Perhaps.
They've been at it for a long time, but many of them are stodgy in their attitudes.
Many of them will tell you what they learned in medical school 30 years ago, and a lot of changes since then.
So I'm saying to you, hey, it's your life.
You do what's best for you, but you're not going to know unless you spend some time finding out about these things.
Whether you agree with Dr. Tracy or you disagree, you probably should read her book, Prozac, Panacea, or Pandora.
She's entitled to her opinion, you're entitled to yours.
Doctors are entitled to theirs.
Excepting doctors haven't spent ten years of their life studying this stuff.
So, all we're trying to do tonight is encourage you to fight out for yourself, and for the callers who've called in, they're happy taking the drug, hey, you know, That's fine, as long as you don't get violent.
Long-term effects on these kinds of drugs.
Alright, we have lots of phone calls to go to, and we will do that right after these words.
Dr. Anne Blake Tracy of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness.
Dr. Tracy we've covered so many things tonight and we're now about ready to wrap up here and I want to get as many of these calls on as I can.
Is there anything that we haven't touched that we shouldn't raise?
Well there is just one thing that I'd like to mention and that is that when I started this I had no idea what I was getting into.
I really didn't know and I have learned just a little at a time how dangerous these drugs are.
My book has 23 pages just of references to medical studies and literature on these drugs.
You've had callers tonight who called in saying that they felt the drug was helping them.
Let me give you just a couple of sentences out of a letter from a British nurse.
She said she started to have bad reactions to Prozac.
She found it causing joint and muscle pain.
And then she noticed that she was developing signs of Cushing's Syndrome.
Terrible, terrible thing to have.
She said, I was very pro-Prozac until this happened and I would not have listened to anything said against it until I was the one who got problems.
She said, I thought it was saving my life while all the time it was insidiously and slowly killing me.
And then when I first heard about your book on the Internet, I was interested but quite skeptical.
However, since reading it and having suffered so many problems with this drug, I've come to the conclusion that the book is brilliant and a lifeline as far as I'm concerned.
I've tried to fault the research and reasoning, but could not and still can't."
Then she went on to thank me for what I've done.
But you need to know that it's well documented.
The research is there.
You need to know it if you're on these drugs.
You need to find out what's happening.
You need to know what to watch for.
Even if you don't want to get off the drugs, you need to know what to watch for.
And I guess I ought to give the number again, shouldn't I?
800-280-0730.
800-280-0730.
800-280-0730. 800-280-0730. And the website is www.drugawareness.org.
Okay, two quick faxes and then we'll get right to calls.
One, I heard Dr. Tracy mention noni juice the last time she was on, and also on this show.
Would you please ask her how to spell noni?
I've never heard of it and would like to buy some.
It's N-O-N-I, noni juice, and it's a fruit juice out of Tahiti, and if you go to the Drug Awareness website, And click wherever you see Dr. Tracy's book, Prozac, Panacea, or Pandora.
We'll take you to a separate site that will talk about the book and it will also talk about noni juice, essential aromatherapy oils.
It talks about all different types of alternatives on that site.
Okay, so it's a juice out of Tahiti.
I thought it was out of Hawaii.
They do have some in Hawaii as well.
It's a plant, I assume, right?
Yes, it's just, it's a fruit.
Okay, and it's benefit is?
We believe that the way it works is it has a particular digestive enzyme in it that breaks down proteins.
And see, these are proteins that build up in the system when you can't metabolize milk that carve the serotonin effects in the brain.
So because it's helping the metabolism, Hopefully what it's doing is helping to metabolize the serotonin the way it should be.
Okay, I have one other fact here and I ask you, we did cover it a couple of hours ago, but it's such an important question I'm going to just throw it out at you again.
It says, can regular coffee with non-sugar sweetener do things to blood sugar?
Coffee?
No, well, it's talking more about non-sugar sweetener.
The aspartame.
Oh, the aspartame, definitely.
Because it increases serotonin levels.
A couple of hours ago, but it's such an important question, I'm going to just throw it out at you again.
It says, can regular coffee with non-sugar sweetener do things to blood sugar?
Coffee?
No, the, uh, talking, well, he's talking more about non-sugar sweetener.
The aspartame.
Oh, the aspartame, definitely.
Because it increases serotonin like Prozac.
So anything that increases serotonin is going to cause the blood sugar problem.
Because you're going to get that insulin release that drops the sugar.
Okay.
Let's go now to Muskegon, Michigan and talk with Sandra.
Good morning, Sandra.
Good morning.
Hello, Dr. Tracy.
Hi.
I have worked as a pharmacist for the past 20 years and I really applaud what you're doing because out there are a whole bunch of consumers who have no idea what they're in for.
I appreciate what you're doing.
I had experience with antidepressants personally and also in my clients and I can tell you that it sometimes does take months or years for some of these things to show up and they aren't always, the physicians don't see them as a side effect.
They see them as other problems and start to prescribe more medications.
Right.
And that in itself has led me to nutrition and that's one thing.
You can't stress enough, and I'm sure that's in your book, and I will be purchasing your book, because I think it's just phenomenal what you're doing, that they need to go and look and know that their conditions didn't happen overnight.
It took years for some of these conditions to come about, and many of them are from nutritional deficiencies.
The pharmacist would be one source, an excellent source, if they have nutritional backgrounds.
And as far as their physicians go, nutritional backgrounds are of the utmost importance, because most of the ones that will say that supplements Are not a good idea are those that aren't educated enough.
And it's not their fault, because that's what they were taught when they went to med school.
But I really think nutrition is the key.
You know, it's interesting Sandra, most of the physicians I've talked to at best have had an afternoon on nutrition in med school.
That's about it.
Right.
So anyway, that's one more possible source for people to go to if they're pharmacists.
And especially listen to them if they're on some poly drug therapy.
And that these side effects are not innocuous and that over a period of years they can lead to some very serious diseases.
Just medications alone can deplete things like CoQ10 and there's another nutritional aspect to look into and that's glyconutritional.
I don't know if that's on your site or not but I sure will be checking it out and I just wanted to say how much I appreciate what you're doing.
Okay Sandra, thank you very, very much.
Thank you.
There's nothing more I'm sure you want to say other than thank you.
Your pharmacist will tell you more about the drugs than your doctor will because that's his specialty.
And it is a really good source and often they argue back and forth and you're caught in the middle.
Let's go to Atlanta, Georgia and talk to James.
Good morning, James.
You have to speak right in your phone, James.
We don't hear you too well.
Much better, thank you.
I wanted to ask the doctor in her research, I know that doesn't necessarily enter in her work, but as she determined the future of physicians, the medical training, do you foresee this changing?
I mean, it seems to be on a global scale where they're prescribing these type drugs to people who are coming to medical professionals for help and we're trying, we're raised to trust doctors and when someone goes to them for help, And this seems to be on such a scale now for such a long period of time where people, I hesitate to use the word, but seem to be victimized by doctors who just, they seem to be wanting to do the right thing, yet they're prescribing something that's a literal poison to people.
Do you see this changing as far as the training of future physicians?
Yes, I do.
In fact, they're leaning more and more that way.
Washington State has now proposed that pharmacists Along with doctors prescribed medication, which is interesting because I said that in my book.
I said if we're going to continue to use drugs, if that's what the method that we want to use, we need to have somebody who knows something about the drugs pharmacists should be prescribing rather than doctors.
Let the doctors diagnose.
Okay, James.
Thank you very much.
Let's now go to Stephanie in St.
Louis, Missouri.
Hi, Stephanie.
Hello, Hilly, and hello, Dr. Tracy.
Hello.
I would like to say the B-word at this point, and I want to commend you so much for your courage and your hard work.
I have done a lot of research with a group called the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, whose primary mission and purpose is to expose and to prosecute psychiatric fraud and psychiatric abuse.
The B-word is betrayal.
Now, not only are they betraying their profession as medical practitioners to do no harm, but look at the millions of school children, look at the individuals, look at the people over the last 25 years who suffered from the individuals who went postal, and I'm sure that at some point we're going to see the media covering these toxicology reports, but apparently that's being suppressed.
And I think what your show has done is enlightened millions of listeners tonight.
The evidence is clearly damaging.
You know, preliminarily you spoke of the famous celebrity cases and so forth.
My blood boils when I discuss this.
I am so angry at what the field of psychiatry has done and what they are trying to do to silence this.
Now, I do believe that physicians are not stupid.
I do believe that they have to know something.
And in a court of law, they could be prosecuted, just as drug dealers are, for felonies.
Drug dealers make a lot of money making cocaine available.
Psychiatrists make a lot of money with their signature with patients that they never see again by signing a person to a horrible future.
And again, I am very concerned about our children.
There's such blanket, nurses in schools will open their drawers and there's hundreds of pills.
And with phony attention deficit disorder things, like you look out the window.
Well, I think when I was a kid I fidgeted and I did look out the window.
That is being a child.
And I am concerned about the protection that seems, we seem to have been induced to becoming silent.
This is totally outrageous.
The psychiatrists need to be exposed.
The drug companies are finally starting to have to pay the piper with the lawsuits that are happening right now.
There needs to be front page headlines in every paper, and this is in the United States.
The American people have been lied to by the FDA.
Historically, Dr. Tracy, you know that they have been in collusion from time to time with drug companies that make billions of dollars.
In any event, it does The hand-in-hand thing between the psychiatrist and the drug company.
Okay, Stephanie, I'm really out of time.
That's all I have to say.
Yeah, I think you said it all right there.
Thank you much for the call.
And Dr. Tracy, we just have a couple of minutes here.
I wanted to say, I don't know that you can add anything to what Stephanie has said.
Well, one thing that I could add is that prescription drugs are the third leading cause of death in America today.
And it's only behind cancer and heart attacks.
We lose $10,000 to $15,000 a year from illegal drugs, but we lose $200,000 a year to prescription meds.
So, we need to start looking at what it is that we're doing wrong.
All of us.
Not just doctors.
All of us.
Well, you've got your group, which is the International Coalition for Drug Awareness.
There is a webpage.
You have your book out.
But I guess you need to enlist a bigger army to get this word out.
I realize that the AMA is not going to do much.
They generally don't.
But it seemed to me that they have got to start looking at this thing and paying some attention to what's going on.
Because as a nation, we are going to lose our souls.
We can't afford the cost.
I mean, 8% of those going into psychiatric hospitals are a direct result of going crazy on these medications.
Do you realize that that's over 150,000 people a year?
How on earth does anybody handle that?
It's just horrible.
All right, Dr. Tracy.
You know, we certainly will keep an eye on what's going on, and we appreciate your spending this time with us.
Clearly, once again, as I've said, we're here to educate people, and they have to sort of look at it for themselves and make their own decisions.
Again, the book is Prozac, Panacea, or Pandora, which can be gotten at 1-800.
What's the number, Doctor?
280-0730.
And the website?
I assume there's a lot of this information on the website.
There is.
www.drugawareness.org.
Okay, thank you so very, very much.
Thank you.
It's depressing.
Make you want to take it.
Depressing.
Well, that's information I have to give out.
Let's hope that not many more people have to die before we wake up to this.
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