Joyce Riley, nurse and Gulf War Veterans Association spokesperson, exposes classified 1990 VA reports acknowledging Agent Orange’s health effects—suppressed despite 55% of veterans testing positive for a patented Air Force-funded parasite. She links Waco’s 1993 fire to 20 Apache helicopters armed with Hellfire missiles and M60 cannons, deployed without legal warrants, while questioning government narratives like child exploitation claims. Callers detail CS gas (1,384 gallons) and plutonium ordnance risks, missing records, and systemic cover-ups, from Waco to Oklahoma City bombing. Riley warns of unchecked DOD experiments and urges activism against martial law—history’s pattern suggests silence enables further abuse. [Automatically generated summary]
Reverend Eff Waco tonight with some very shocking news.
We're also going to talk about the Gulf War Syndrome.
And I think we'll begin with an update on the Gulf War Syndrome and some associated news for you in a few moments.
Listen.
Joyce Riley is a registered nurse of 27 years and is presently spokesperson for the American Gulf War Veterans Association.
For 10 years, she has served as a consultant and expert witness for medical malpractice trials involving nursing negligence.
She has served as a director of nursing in four institutions, as a heart transplant nurse and a charge nurse of a federal prison infirmary.
She now investigates the unwitting use of military and civilian populations for biological, chemical, and mind control experiments by the Department of Defense and CIA.
The most recent investigations center into the plight of the Gulf War veterans.
Working in conjunction with Vietnam Veterans Wives Association under the name of Project Brave Heart, their goals are to expose the experiments, including Agent Orange exposure victims, obtain adequate compensation for the injured servicemen and women.
We are going to talk about Waco in a bit, but first we're going to sort of update ourselves on the Gulf War syndrome problem, whatever you want to call it.
It's awful and it's real, and it has touched me personally.
I tell you, Joyce, about, oh, I don't know, several months ago now, a very close friend, a very, very close friend of mine named John Pyre, died unexpectedly quickly.
He had been in Vietnam.
He had been exposed to Agent Orange.
And I came on the program in quite a state of grief about the whole thing and talked about his dying, passing away.
And the events with regard to his death are bizarre, unclear.
The events surrounding his death and his exposure to Agent Orange are being suppressed, hidden.
There's evasion going on.
People are not producing records.
Records are turning up lost.
Fortunately, his wife, who's a friend of mine, has kept those records and has now dispersed them to several safe geographic locations.
But Joyce, as the surviving wife, as you know, she's going through hell.
And she is representative of what a lot of wives are going through now and families, isn't she?
There are thousands of women and thousands of families that go through this very same thing, regardless of whether it was exposure to the atomic radiation or various experiments during the military or Agent Orange Gulf World Illness, whatever.
And the plight of these people is so incredibly painful because the burden of proof is always on the person that is left to prove up the case.
And I deal with these people all the time, and there's only so much sometimes that we can do for them.
My heart goes out to them because they're left with a world that they don't understand, a lot of material they don't know anything about, and a system that is absolutely an adversarial system.
The Veterans Administration, the Department of Defense, does everything it can to disprove, disqualify, and eliminate people from obtaining their just compensation or even truth as to why they died.
And we have found out that there is collusion with the Veterans Administration and the service organizations to the point now where there have never been more than 5% claims ever given or granted in any one year to servicemen, regardless of how needy and how appropriate the claims were.
This whole system needs to be overhauled because we have found fraud, we have found fraud, we have found fraud.
And now we're dealing with GOPOR illness.
And I'm personally now going to these facilities and having to see what these fouses go through.
And I don't know how she does it because, I mean, it's a difficult system to me.
And I don't have a personal involvement with a deceased husband.
And my heart goes out to these women.
And I think that it's time that we bring to light just how difficult the system is and how inappropriate so that we can give them some kinds of support and assistance.
I referred her to Dana Hughes, the Vietnam Veterans Wives out of Republic, Washington.
This lady is a husband who is sick with Agent Orange and a son who is sick with Gulf War illness.
And she knows the system inside and out and has been fighting it for a long time.
And I will tell you, if anyone can get a claim through and make an impression upon the VA system, it is Dana Hughes.
And that's why Dana and I have joined together with Operation Braveheart because we feel like there are no veteran organizations out there that are really advocates for the veterans.
And some of our research has turned up some interesting things, and I have not shared this with you, Art, but it's on our website.
We have on our website, listen to the title of this, Classified.
Confidential Status 1.
Warning, not for publication and release to the general public.
The title is Report to the Secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs on the Association between the Adverse Health Effects and Exposure to Agent Orange.
And it is classified.
It comes out of the Department of Veterans Affairs, and it was authored by Admiral Zimwald in 1990, but it says warning on it, not for release to the public.
It's on our website.
I believe it's under Hot News.
And this whole 57-page document can be downloaded by any Agent Orange sufferer, and you will see information in there that will actually make you so angry to see that the lies have been going on for so long.
And in here, Zimwalt admits the truth about Agent Orange.
So I encourage people to go there.
But it's only through this kind of research can we bring forward the information that the DOD and the VA has been having for a long time that could have made Donna's plight a whole lot easier.
Well, what I have found over the past four years in my investigation came as a total shock to me because I had no idea that your friend may have just very well have been involved in experiments by the U.S. government on its own military because we found Senate Report 103-97, which is in its entirety on GulfWarvets.com, that's Gulf War Vets, No Caps, No Spaces, GulfWarvets.com.
103-97 says its first statement is, during the last 50 years, hundreds of thousands of our military have been used in experiments without their consent.
So we have people dying of very, very bizarre diseases.
They are dying before their time.
If you go into a VA hospital, I'm sure you have, and you know that people look 10 times sicker in there that are the same age as anybody in a regular hospital.
They have been used.
In fact, we have gotten the information on MKUltra, the use of BZ, the use of LSD on Vietnam veterans.
While they were fighting, they gave them a dose of BZ or LSD to see what would happen.
Then they had continuous flashbacks, and they were relegated to the emotionally ill category when they were, in fact, a result of an experiment.
Well, I've had a number of people speak about MKUltra, and inevitably, Joyce, you asked them, well, if they were doing that then and admit that now, then what do you suppose they're doing now?
Well, unfortunately, the Department of Defense did not have a religious experience in 1977 and stopped these projects.
They are going on.
In fact, I got information from the Army War College dated 1994 that talks about the so-called behavior modification program that will have to be instituted to shape people's beliefs and change their minds.
It talks about the takeover of a country prior to war, and it is entitled The Revolution in Military Affairs and Conflict Short of War, right out of the Army War College, Carlisle Barracks, Pennsylvania.
And again, my very good friend, deceased now, John Pyre, who was a retired FBI, and prior to that was in Vietnam fighting for his country and doing a lot of very secret kinds of things, very secret kinds of things, died a really terrible death.
And his body was racked with tumors.
And he definitely had been exposed to Agent Orange and had those records.
And we're discussing one case right Now, and really, many, many, many, many cases.
But this case involves my friend, now deceased, named John Pyre, who was retired FBI in government service all his life, was in Vietnam at a very, very, very high level.
In fact, there are pictures with Westmoreland and other luminaries of the Vietnam era.
And he had exposure to Agent Orange, and I can tell you some things about my friend John.
He had skin rashes that you wouldn't believe.
He had skin that would turn black and fall off.
His body was racked with tumors.
He was in unimaginable shape when he actually died, something that he kept well hidden from his family.
However, he had established that he was suffering exposure from Agent Orange.
Now, a lot of records are disappearing, but a lot of records still exist.
And I'm just not going to let this happen.
His wife, Donna, is trying desperately now to even properly establish the cause of death.
And to all those associated with this case and others like it, be assured that a lot of us are not going to let this go, and we're not going to let you go, and we're not going to let you get away with it.
You're not going to get away with it.
So it's time to own up and take responsibility for what we have done to our own and take care of them.
It's the very least we can do.
We'll go back to Joyce Riley in a moment.
Back now to Joyce Riley.
And again, with respect to my friend, deceased John Pyre and his surviving wife, Donna, I'm not going to let go of this, Joyce, much as you're not going to let go of I know a lot of what you're working on.
The question is, are we going to be able to break through?
Are they going to finally own up?
Are we going to finally begin to take care of our own?
Or are we going to have to continue fighting our own damn government to do the right thing?
But you don't hear anyone fighting for the veterans.
I mean, you hear the service organizations with their slick four-color magazines, but there is no real advocacy for veterans.
They are left out there to just fend for themselves.
And your friend, I mean, he has suffered in silence.
He was one of those people that didn't want to complain about what happened to him, but it should not have happened to him in the first place.
This is not a compensation issue.
It is not a, gee, we're trying to get money for people issue.
This is an issue of we have a government with a Declaration of Independence, a Bill of Rights, a Constitution, and a Nuremberg Code that says you do not experiment upon one American anytime, any place.
You don't experiment upon 500 blacks or 1,000 Eskimos.
You don't do it, and it's been allowed.
And President Clinton comes forward after the Tuskegee Institute services, in which they allowed people to die to see how the experiment would work.
And he apologizes on behalf of the American government.
No, I want President Clinton to bring with him a list of indictments of the people that will spend the rest of their natural lives in prison for what they did.
We have got to get this out of our heads that it is okay for the greater good to do these experiments.
It is not.
And so where we have come in this country is we have been sitting at a table art where we have been braiding the rope that we are going to allow them to hang us with.
And so we now are going to stand up and say, enough is enough.
And that's why Rolling Thunder went to Washington, D.C., and that's why we're doing what we are doing.
But, you know, we are no match for the Department of Defense's PR budget and the equipment that they have and the amount of time and energy and people they have.
I've been doing this on my own.
Individuals do this.
Dana does it on her own also.
We do this because we love the veteran and because these veterans have been kicked to the side of the curb like a dead animal.
And I will not allow it to happen and thank God there are people like you that feel the way that you do because if we do not stand up, it will continue to happen right into the Gulf War issue.
And we are now losing thousands of our veterans that are dying and no one even knows about it.
On our website is a young man named Scott Siefkin.
Scott had the rash like you were talking about and the VA said we must remove his skin.
They removed his skin.
The VA did because they had a good experimental skin.
Well, I've been a tissue transplant nurse and you don't remove anyone's skin.
And on the website is a picture of America's hero, Scott Siefkin, after the VA experimented upon him, removed his skin, and God bless him.
May he rest in peace.
He's no longer with us.
And his son was born two weeks after he died.
And I want to tell the world that his parents, Raleigh and Artie Siefkin, moved to Versales, Missouri, where I live this past week to say we need to fulfill a deathbed promise to our son that we will try and save the rest of his brothers and sisters that served under the Constitution of this United States of America.
And Raleigh and Artie Siefkin are now here in Versales.
It's a small town of 2,000, and we are going to get together with the American public, and there's going to be a Mother's March now.
But we have to do it because the experiments, and by the way, you recall, we talked about Title 50, United States Code Annotated.
Yes.
That allows the U.S. government to experiment with the American people.
Okay, do we have this to the top of the air to cover this?
Yeah.
Okay.
What we have now among Gulf War veterans is a parasite that is inflicting these Gulf War veterans in a tragic way.
It comes out of the skin.
Now, this is going to sound so horrific, but I must tell you, and I must preface it by saying, the biological experiments that were transacted during the Gulf War are now becoming full force.
These Gulf War veterans, and I have now talked to four of them, are now having sores that come upon their skin, and out of that skin, it bleeds, and a worm eats its way through to the surface of the skin.
When that happens, there is pain, there is biting pain, and then the worm usually stays alive for about an hour and then dies.
These records are all missing from the VA.
I have been to the VA personally myself to find records, and these records are all being sanitized.
And I understand that there may be a much higher rate of antibodies within the individuals that may create this problem in the future.
And I say this because, and I'm going to get some pictures and video of it to have on our website.
It's not there now.
But this is the kind of thing these veterans are dealing with, and the world knows nothing about it because we're busy with Seinfeld reruns while biological agents are being inflicted upon our troops and our military for whatever reason, God only knows.
And we have got to stop this.
We have got to give these people help.
We have got to get them some kind of assistance.
Because can you imagine living?
And I will tell you that the last young man that told me about this said that when he lays in bed at night, he can feel them crawling throughout his skin.
Imagine, imagine, this is torture.
He lives and feels them crawling.
And then when they start to come out of the skin, they bite ferociously.
They bleed.
He had one that came out of his tongue.
When it came out of his tongue, there was a tremendous amount of blood.
And it was alive in his hand.
He showed everyone at the table.
And this is the kind of thing our military are having to deal with.
You know, John was in my life, intricately in my life.
He was a brilliant man.
He did nothing but loyal service for his country in so many ways as an FBI agent, high up in the FBI, as a matter of fact, after his service in the military in Vietnam.
And, you know, to kick his widow in the teeth like this totally sucks.
Well, and for every veteran out there, we are here for you.
We want you to know that there are people that do care.
Art cares, we care, and we will force this issue because we have a government that is out of control that would use its people for biological experimentation, for gene maneuvering.
It's unbelievable the kinds of things that we know are going on.
Basically, it says for anything to do with research, anything to do with agriculture, anything to do with medical experiments, it just gives carte blanche.
It just gives several categories of the reason that you can do it.
It is just, it's more open, if you will.
The reporting is not as extensive as I recall.
I don't have it in front of me.
But this is just an example of the blatancy of what is going on.
And we sent two people from each state to the Senate and thought they would take care of us.
And this was enacted in 1997.
We need to get every name that voted for this art, as well as in 1977 when it was first voted into place, and find out who the people are that's the traitors to this country and have made the American public its enemy.
What in heaven's name could be given to people that would cause parasites to begin to live within them and then, I suppose they're literally eating them alive, that's what parasites do, and then actually exit their skin.
I have no idea what kind of experiment it can be, but we know there are all kinds of experiments now that are going, passing the species barrier.
There's just so many.
I don't know the motivation for this, but I will say that this is a horrendous life for these people to live because, first of all, nobody believes them.
Secondly, they are placed into a category of wanting to isolate themselves.
They're frightened.
They don't know if it's transferable or not.
We don't know.
And then to have the VA completely eliminate all records and treat them as if they're crazy, that's not what people joined to serve this country for.
And so now we need to bring these people out of the background and let them know that it's okay to come forward.
We want to help you.
By the way, we did a video called Are You a Government Guinea Pig?
And we did this video on the American Gulf War Veterans Association to help people see the number of experiments.
We had 12,000 people at Keeser Air Force Base that were involved in experiments at one time.
You know, this has got to stop.
And by the way, the website is GulfWarvets.com, and the number to get the video is 877-485-3838.
We will have documented evidence to prove that it is real.
Because we're going to have to do that because the burden of proof herein, again, is on the victim.
The burden of proof is on the military person who's been inflicted with this dastardly biological experiment to have to come forward and say what is wrong with them.
But then look at what happened at Waco.
I mean, it's the same kind of thing of what our government has done to its own.
And now we're in a position of knowing more about that.
And I will tell you that what I am saying right now in your program regarding Waco art has never been released anywhere, is going to be aware of.
In the mail, after being on your show, I want you to know that there are a lot of people out there that are providing us this documentation.
In a brown lanella envelope, after we discussed the fact that I am positive for this mycoplasma, I was tested at CMD Anderson Cancer Center.
55% of the Gulf War veterans are now positive.
I received the patent for the Mycoplasma Incognita.
And I'll be darned if it didn't just make the hair on the back of my neck stand up because I saw right there, and it's on our website, it's on our website under Mycoplasma, Gulfwarvets.com, Art, there was the patent that was filed in 1991.
And the inventor is listed as Dr. Shai-Ching-lo, who just now happens to be the primary medical investigator on the Gulf War illness.
And it was paid for by the Air Force Institute of Pathology.
And it was changed by the time we did the shooting of that episode, which was, by the way, a very good episode.
And you can probably still catch it in rerun.
When we come back, we're going to talk about a similar thing.
Waco.
A government doing unto its own.
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And if you were to ever see one, it is just, it's very formidable.
And in talking with this Gulf War veteran, and part of the reason that I'm saying this today is because of his protection, because the Texas Rangers have become involved in this since I talked with UART.
So I'm not at liberty to identify some of the things that I was going to say.
But I did get a phone call from Dick DeGuerin today, which is the attorney for the Branch Davidian.
And I can assure you that this information that he gave coincides with what he already knew and speculated.
But let me just say that this Gulf War veteran, after we talked about this, I said, you know, you have a responsibility to come forward because if we want people to tell the truth about Gulf War illness, if we want the people to come out of the Pentagon and out of the corners and the back alleys and admit to what has gone on there, we're going to have to tell what we know.
So he has come forward.
He is a destitute, if you will, sick Gulf War veteran who has no purpose in doing this other than the world needs to know the truth.
And it is time that we quit harboring these secrets under the name of military adventure or military action.
What he told me is that while he was stationed at Fort Hood at the F-227 Aviation Apache Attack Squadron, that they armed the Apache helicopters to go in to Waco.
Now understanding that if what we say is true here today, this is the most devastating information to come across because this puts the liability and the accountability all the way up to the president for arming a helicopter for a war situation within the United States, basically violating the Posse Comitatas Act.
There were 20 helicopters that took turns going back and forth between Fort Hood and Waco, which was a five-minute flight or a 20-minute drive, 30-minute drive.
They were supported by the 3rd Armored Division.
They armed these helicopters with eight Hellfire missiles, which to the person that may not know a Hellfire, it can go through an M1 tank and it explodes into a fireball.
There was a belly gun with an M60 armor-piercing 20-millimeter cannon.
The round pod contained 50 on each side air-to-ground 122-millimeter rockets.
There were also air-to-ground two-to-four Sidewinder missiles loaded on each helicopter.
Those are, the Sidewinder missiles are the ones that are on the wings of the F-16.
There were two Apaches at all times at Waco.
There were Blackhawk helicopters, two to four of those with eight individuals per Blackhawk, and there were Humvees that were there.
He also said there were Delta forces.
He does not want to say the unit or where they came from.
However, they were present there, and he did talk with them.
And I also, my husband, who was doing a talk show for WATR in Winterbury, Connecticut, did an interview with Clive Doyle, who is one of the individuals who escaped from Mount Carmel.
Listen, let me read to you what Matt Drudge wrote tonight and see if this resonates with you.
Matt wrote, a federal judge wants all Waco evidence, threatens government with contempt.
According to Friday's Atlanta Journal Constitution, U.S. District Judge Walter Smith Jr. has ordered the federal government to turn over all evidence relating to the Branch DeVidian siege at Waco by the end of the month or face a contempt of court citation.
The Journal Constitution's Mark England and Tommy Witherspoon are reporting that Judge Smith has dismissed Justice's strongly worded 19-page motion in response to his original August 9th order as an, quote, unwarranted and substantial burden, end quote.
Justice argued that Judge Smith's original request for all the evidence was too demanding.
Smith wrote, quote, the court finds this argument somewhat disingenuous since the government has been in possession of this material for six and one-half years and has been aware since 1996 when the civil suits were originally filed that this material could very well be subject to discovery, end quote.
It continues, quote, additionally, the court would have thought that the vast majority of the material now sought in this civil litigation would have already been compiled as a result of the various congressional hearings held over the Branch Davidian matter, end quote.
Smith is set to preside over the Branch Davidian's wrongful death civil lawsuit scheduled to begin in late October.
So here's a judge prepared to hold the U.S. government in contempt.
But I mean, for instance, they have just now announced that perhaps Mr. Rudman, Senator Rudman, will now be listed as the chief of the investigating committee on Waco.
Well, he's the one that just headed up the Gulf War Investigating Committee and found nobody's sick and there's no problem.
We're now all of a sudden hearing, Joyce, that the Attorney General who had just come in in the middle of this mess in Waco may not, they say, have been told everything.
So, if that sort of thing was going on, and I've also now heard admissions that the gas canisters that were tossed in were flammable as well and could have started fires.
They're trying to say, well, we tossed them in much earlier than the fire, and while they could have caused a fire, they didn't, but they were not the primary cause of the fire.
So all of a sudden, everything they said then is BS now.
But, you know, colonels and generals at Fort Hood don't just say, hey, let's send an Apache helicopter fully armed with Hellfire Spitfire missiles, 122-millimeter rockets.
Now, here's something that I, to this day, Joyce, do not understand.
I watched the FBI briefings daily, as did so many Americans.
And inevitably, the FBI spokesman, you know, knowing there were women, children in there, said, if necessary, we'll wait until hell freezes over, whatever it was.
We won't go in violently.
We won't end this violently.
We will respond, but we will not end it violently.
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And I just want to say to everybody, I wish I could answer everybody's phone call, but we work, we do this as a volunteer.
So, you know, and we could help, we could certainly utilize your donations if you'd like to help the Vietnam Veteran Wives Association, which is a 501 C-17 nonprofit.
But we do need to understand that we can't deal with everybody's problem because there are so many.
Joyce, there was also, the lady that you mentioned earlier that talked to Donna has a number she would like people to call for Vietnam-era veterans who have had their records disappear.
And the reason I'm saying it is because of protection, and I want those people out there who are concerned about what we just said to know that there's no evidence at my home or at his home.
And we came out with this in advance of the newspaper story because we want people to know that there is going to be protection for these people.
God, I hope it's, you know, it's one of those things you just hope and pray really aren't true because how do we all live with ourselves knowing we did this?
And how do we live with ourselves knowing that at the time we could have made a stand or maybe we should have done something else?
I think we're going to be looking at the issue of the Oklahoma City bombing.
I think the Freeman issue.
I believe, Art, honestly, that we've not been told the truth about anything.
I really believe that.
I think that there has been an agenda or there has been a facade on everything that's been presented to us.
Because I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but after I came out with the GoFor information, my name was listed in information that went out to law enforcement authorities that I was a terrorist.
The Southern Poverty Law Center provided in their information, I believe it's called Intelligence Report or the Intelligence Something or another, sent out to 7,000 law enforcement agencies, all of these people that had tattoos and rings in their nose and were potential white hate groups and all this kind of stuff, and they included my picture in there wearing a red, white, and blue jacket talking to Gulf War veterans.
Now, if in this country you can be maligned and victimized and made to feel as though you are, or made other people to believe, like law enforcement, like the FBI agents that told me they had seen my picture, that I am some kind of terrorist because I am going around the country trying to tell the truth, then this country is in trouble because we are being maligned as being the hate mongers.
We are being told we are the bad people.
No, we are not.
The people who will take and attack a church or will go in and possibly blow up a building.
And I'm not saying that we know the truth about that yet, but I know there's a lot we don't know.
By the way, did you know that Mr. Nichols has never even been given a sentence?
Terry Nichols has never received a sentence in that case.
Well, I think that's the prevailing information they want you to believe.
I think there's a lot more.
I think there was not enough evidence there.
And I think that whole case is going to open up again.
But that's neither here nor there right now.
I am concerned about the so-called patriots, the freedom-oriented people, the people that have been researching these cases in the past, because anyone that got involved and stood on the side of Waco was named an enemy of the government.
Ramsey Clark came forward.
I mean, I was named right-wing until I had a nice conversation with Ramsey Clark, and then I thought, well, then I was named left-wing, and now I don't know, you know, it's not important who you are.
Well, I've learned also, Joyce, that when you tread in areas that people don't want you to tread into, they attack you in the most vicious, vile manner possible.
I've been going through this now myself for a couple of years.
And that's how they dispense with you.
They hang a moniker of some sort on you.
In my case, something awful like a child molester or pornographer or something like that.
They hang that, or they try to hang that moniker on you.
And therefore, everything else you say is discredited in some way.
Unless you have the assets and the ability to get to the truth and root it all out, find out where it came from, and bring it all to the light of day, you're doomed.
And the average person without great assets does not have that ability.
I cannot imagine the pain that you have gone through.
I cannot imagine what it would take to fight this issue because when somebody labels you, all of a sudden, because they label you, they are the right one, they are correct, and you have to be the victim, and the burden of proof is on you.
And I would say at this point that the average person doesn't have 12 million, 20 million listeners, and they don't have the access to what you have the access to.
And how sad it is, because I really, I again say, we have either a rogue government or an out-of-order government that needs to be brought back into line because what they have been doing is absolutely unconscionable.
The very fact that these experiments have been going on, why are we not at their doorstep with broomsticks and pitchforks and saying, out of here?
How dare you do this to even one person in the military?
How dare you do this to one person at Mount Carmel?
It is time we reevaluate everything and take for granted now that everything they have said is a lie.
You know, I frequently Thought about all of this myself, and I too have become pretty cynical.
And I think as you get older, you become more cynical.
That's one possibility.
The other is that there's an honest-to-God reason to become more cynical today, based on what we've been hearing from you tonight, from you in past years about the Gulf War illness.
These are men who fought for our country, and we are turning our backs on them in a conspiracy.
I mean, it's just, it's beyond all reason.
And I tell you, Joyce, when I was younger, I'd have said BS and something stronger, and I would not have believed it.
But I'm sorry to say the evidence is overwhelming.
It is, and I wouldn't have believed it already until 1994.
I didn't start to waken until 1994.
And it was after the Oklahoma City bombing because I was one of those people that said something is wrong here.
I lived down in that area, and I called to get the seismographic report.
And I actually took it to Rice University and asked them to analyze it.
And they said, well, whatever happened here, it was two of something, explosions, whatever.
And by the way, my husband has all of the original clips from the television stations that show that there were two, three, and four bombs present at that time.
Well, that's all vanished.
So we need to go back and reevaluate all of these issues.
Of course, my concern is the military people and those that are out there suffering in silence.
And by the way, I thought very long and hard before discussing the issue of these parasites and these worms, because I know every Gulf War veteran is scared to death right now.
But I had to say it for those that are affected, because if you are affected, you need to come forward.
We need to find help for you, and it is not going to be within a VA or a DOD facility.
Well, one of the best ways for people to believe the unbelievable is to go to my website now, go down, scroll down to the guest area, find the name Joyce Riley.
Under related info, you will now see a link that says U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1620A.
And unfortunately, I am afraid that it is what we don't know right now that's even more pervasive.
We know there are experiments going on of all types, of all kinds.
The genetic experiments that are going on are beyond belief.
And it is time that people come out of the labs, out of their research facilities, come forward, and let's get it out in the open as to what damage has been done to this population.
Because we have a responsibility to our progeny, to our children, to our grandchildren.
They're struggling to earn a living, maintain whatever standard of living they have.
They've all got family problems, just the way I do.
They've all got various problems and things going on in their lives every day.
And it's very hard for them to break out of that routine, to care enough, to pay attention enough, to get upset enough, to become an activist and actually do something about this.
How do we break them out of this shell of indifference?
And I'm not really criticizing them because I understand why they don't.
I really, I do.
It's so easy to let it go.
So much horrible stuff is in the news every day.
That to consider a slaughter at Waco, a blood on the hands of our government, to consider our own veterans who have fought for us, for our country, for our rights, such as they are, who are not cared for, they just can't think about it.
We know, though, that they are given such perceived information as to these horrific people in there, that they probably have ground-to-air missiles, that they are whatever they want to tell them, that they are so into such a mindset.
And besides, they want to be able to pull that trigger.
That's what they have been training for.
And that's why I am so afraid right now of Operation Urban Warrior, which is going right on in this United States as we speak.
It happened down in Texas.
It happened in Anniston, Alabama.
The military is going in with real maneuvers, and they are combining with the military department and foreign troops.
You have a lot more information if you've talked to the survivors.
This information has been out there.
It's not some big secret that all of a sudden some seal was broken and the information came out.
It's been out there.
And I think it is time that the media began to address the issues of those people that come forward that have information, such as, like I was saying with the Dallas Morning News, why haven't you dealt with other issues?
It's not just this issue of Waco, the Gulf War Illness issue, which I will now put the Dallas Morning News on notice to say that they have said they will fully look at all the information that I present them on this issue.
So we've got a lot of issues to be looked at in this country, not just these two.
Also, I will say that we're starting to get more and more reports of these issues, and I think that the Department of Defense is going to have a lot to explain.
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I also wanted to ask Art something.
Art, do you remember right after the Oklahoma bombing, a man called you and said that there were bombs attached with military cords?
Yeah, well, you know, who knows what people say on a phone, on a talk show, sir.
There's no way to know, and there's no way to trace.
And so my answer to you is it just got left in a blizzard of calls and accusations and conspiracy theories.
And eventually it gets so bad that if the truth were to walk up and hit you in the forehead, you wouldn't know it because of the noise level of all the various conspiracy theories.
But here with Waco, at least we're dealing with something that apparently we can all understand.
And that is munitions that were used that should not have been.
A military that was used that should not have been.
And in my opinion, this is my opinion.
This is what I said at the time, and I've said ever since, and I say today was government-sanctioned murder.
And my opinion of that has never changed.
Maybe it will someday, but not this day.
Joyce, I know that you have got, I want to have you get your information out.
I know you've got to be somewhere early in the morning, so give us your contact info, please.
Now, to order, and this is only to order any of the documents or the videos, 1-877-485-3838.
877-485-3838.
To write to me, P.O. Box 85 Versal, Missouri, 65084.
It is Gulfwarvets.com.
If you would like to help us out with Operation Braveheart, it's Dana Hughes, P.O. Box 396, Republic, Washington, 99166.
And I don't want any Gulf War veterans to give up, to feel frustrated.
You have got Art Bell on your side, and I cannot tell you how much that means to us, Art, because I know that you'll continue to wage this war in behalf of the veterans.
Who knew, after days of, After days of leaning in favor of an independent inquiry, the Justice Department announced Thursday that Reno had ordered an outside investigation.
The White House FBI Director Lewis Free said congressional Democrats and Republicans had suggested Reno order an independent inquiry.
President Clinton, quote, is deeply concerned that the Attorney General appears to have been misled and may have been lied to, end quote, about what went on at Waco.
And so, where does that leave us?
Well, I guess drifting slowly in the wind as the subpoenas fly.
Second of all, I know a little bit of where she comes from, although I have only worked with a few veterans.
I've worked with a number of returned Peace Corps volunteers.
And in the early days, there were problems because of undiagnosed illnesses.
And there's a catch-22 in terms of getting their benefits.
The Department of Labor requires a diagnosis before they compensate or give medical care, and some volunteers were coming home with kind of exotic problems.
But we handled that in a number of ways.
First of all, we were able to identify microbiologists who had done studies back as far as World War II on the Baton death march and was able to provide a lot of clues about exotic things.
And then sometimes with just a phone call, many times local American doctors wouldn't be acquainted with, say, problems coming out of South America.
And then we got a hold of the GAO, a group of us volunteers who had been disabled out of Peace Corps.
And I'm happy to say the GAO required the Peace Corps to conform to American hospital service standards.
And that took five years.
But we got that squared away.
And we had to do a lot of things.
We went out with yo-yos and stood as close as we could to bureaucrats and yo-yoed until they made decisions.
Yeah, and but, you know, it took a long time and a lot of effort for me, about 20 years.
I'm very pleased to say that the Peace Corps was very responsive, went out of their way, and now has a first-rate medical service with a minimal amount of complaints.
And, you know, if the Peace Corps can do that, I think the military should be able to do it.
If the military was suddenly responsible for treating thousands and thousands of veterans, even perhaps hundreds of thousands of veterans, who may have contracted something in the Gulf, then the stakes are not exactly what they are with respect to the Peace Corps scale-wise or monetary expenditure-wise.
As you mentioned, sir, yourself, you mentioned the way it finally got done.
It's political, it's money, it's connections, it's many things, right?
But there is also the scale of offense that has been committed and what it's going to take to rectify that that you have to deal with.
So imagine the amount of money and the amount of politics that would have to go on with respect to the Gulf War.
Wildcard line, you're on air.
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Hi.
Hi, there are KOH 50,000 watts of power up in Reno.
I still don't understand why they didn't simply wait.
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Do you?
Well, I was watching Nightline tonight, and the FBI had all kinds of monitors back in Washington, D.C., and they were monitoring everything that was going on, so I think there's going to be probably a lot more tapes come out.
It's like with somebody shoots up a schoolyard, we have gun legislation.
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Exactly.
And it's funny, if you read the Second Amendment, you know, the last part of it says that you can't infringe upon that amendment, but yet every single law then would have to be illegal.
You know, I had a couple of, I've been listening to you for about the past two years, and I did have a couple of theories about the progression of the deterioration of government over the years.
I was at a high school sock, a junior high school sock hop when JFK got assassinated and had to make the announcement to a gym load of kids to go home.
The president's been shot, and I couldn't figure out why.
And I sat in front of the old Stilco, if you remember them, and just cried my eyes out and cried and cried.
Something was wrong, because even though JFK did have his things going on, shall we say, he was the most honest president I think we had had in quite a while and was willing to tackle the forms of bureaucratic subdivisions, shall we say, on this government that did indeed represent a threat to our existence because we represented a threat to theirs.
And I think one of the big lies that good old Billy boy has told is that he didn't inhale.
I think he did inhale.
I think his problem was that he exhaled.
And, you know, as far as I'm concerned, the big drug companies and the medical people in this country know what the truth is, and they know that there are many alternative methods out there for treating people and controlling pain.
But if we cut into that profit, that would eliminate their jobs.
Everybody says that, and I'm sure there are methods of treatment for various illnesses that are not FDA-approved.
If I had a fatal illness, a fatal diagnosis, perhaps like Terrence McKenna, my friend Terrence, I would do exactly what Terrence is doing.
And what he's doing is pursuing legitimate FDA-approved cutting-edge medical scientific aid, the gamma knife, that kind of thing, and then going to every alternative method of healing that I believe will work or has a chance of working.
And I would do both.
That's what Terrence is doing.
And that opportunity is pretty much available to anybody in this country.
You can seek various forms of treatment, whether or not they're approved.
And if it's your life, you're going to do what you want, right?
It's unfortunate that they're now experimenting on their own, but I think these kind of conspiracies and cover-ups have been going on for an awful long time.
And I go at all levels of government and especially in the secret agencies of government like the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, and in the banking industry and the media.
And I think it's all connected.
I think I believe in conspiracies because a conspiracy to me is really the unknown.
It's what other people contrive in the back rooms of industry and banking to further their own individual ends and objectives.
But the one thing that I think is important, when you can find little bits and pieces of information that are important, well, the Secretary of the Army, Caldera, had in a memo which has been put on the internet at Gulf War Vest, I believe.com, it says that the Secretary of the Army, Caldera, has linked the Gulf War illness to the anthrax vaccine, publicly.
Of course, I think you'll find science behind leech fields, appropriate leech fields for the water table, is pretty solid, and the water that you would get would be just fine.
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Well, okay.
Here's another one.
How about a little bit of natural power, natural energy?
Yes.
Okay, well, you hook up like all those drains that are going down off the roof.
I think you should amplify the thought a little bit.
I don't know about drains turning wheels at the end of everybody's water spout on their house.
However, to magnify what you said into a proper perspective, if we don't start moving toward alternative energy sources very quickly, and you really wouldn't believe how much power it takes to power your house, if we don't begin exploring and going into production with alternative energy,
wind, solar, whatever, very quickly in 40 or 45 years, we'll be killing each other over gasoline, oil, fossil fuels.
However, it remained stationary for a really protracted period of time in the east, and I could damn near make out form.
And I had no idea what it was.
It was pointed out to me by my wife, and I kind of blew it off as an aircraft or whatever.
And then I had his call, and I went, hmm.
We saw that too.
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Well, I didn't see it myself, but I know I saw something a little bit similar one time, and I called the reporting center in Seattle, and it turned out that they thought it was probably the mere space station, but also I know that the International Space Station sometimes is visible, and it...
Again, my wife pointed it out, and I said, oh, yeah.
Then I said, well, I think it's moving.
But your eye does that.
You can test that theory, by the way, by going out to look at Venus when it's low in the sky and when you're looking through quite a bit of atmosphere.
If you stare at Venus long enough, it will appear to move up and down and left and right.
You can test that theory, by the way, by going out to look at Venus.
When it's low in the sky, and when you're looking through quite a bit of atmosphere, if you stare at Venus long enough, it will appear to move up and down and left and right.
And there does appear to be a discussion underway that would virtually put a Russian commander inside of, I guess, Cheyenne Mountain and an American equivalent commander with the Russian Rocket Forces Command Center so that nobody makes a mistake on New Year's Eve.
For an object, and I'm not a scientist, as you know, but for an object to be seen from where I am, for example, and as far north as Vancouver, and as far east as the Midwest, and to be seen simultaneously from all of those locations would require, you know, you could work that out, but it would require something in space.
In other words, we would be looking at something, we would have to be looking at something in space.
Anywhere within the atmosphere would be too low, in my opinion, to be seen from that varied kind of geographic location.
So whatever it was, it would have had to have been in space.
And if that were true, then based on the relative size, as I saw it, whatever it would be the really big.
I'm disappointed that you haven't done this already.
I would like for you to have, as a guest on your show, better yet two guests, and for four or five hours, talk about how secondhand smoke is not dangerous.
Talk about how that it is possible to smoke for like 50 or 60 years and never get sick.
Here when Healy was subbing for you the last time around, he had Mr. John Rappaport, investigative reporter out of, I think it was Prisco.
Right.
And Ravenport was saying that he mentioned that Foster was, I think he said Foster was the point man in this whole situation, and that Ron Horiuchi was also down there at Waco.
And he also mentioned that his foster wife said he was very distraught, et cetera, and was writing up something about the Waco situation, which may lead as to why there was the taking of records from his office.
You know, and again, I'm very cautious when it comes to consideration of application of the word conspiracy to everything the government does in terms of readiness.
In other words, the government is responsible for anticipating and preparing for the safety of all of us.
It's part of their job.
And so they do preparation.
FEMA does legitimate preparation.
I know there are a lot of you who worry that that preparation is really for something else.
And I might occasionally worry with you, but for the most part, I think a lot of it is very legit.
The preparations they're making.
They should be doing that.
The continuity of government demands it.
The public safety demands it.
And so they do a lot of this kind of work that is interpreted by those who think in gray areas as very dark indeed.