Art Bell and Dr. Albert Taylor explore night paralysis and out-of-body experiences (OBEs), with Taylor describing his family’s superstitions and interrupted sleep techniques to induce superconscious states, even encountering deceased relatives or non-human entities. Bell shares his own OBE in Paris, while Taylor argues most revived cardiac arrest patients recall some consciousness, dismissing hell as external punishment but suggesting self-imposed mental prisons. They debate whether fear or belief shapes astral encounters—callers report visits from grandfathers and "Jesus Christ" in lower realms—before Taylor advises surrendering control for OBEs, hinting at humanity’s latent spiritual potential despite scientific risks like Brookhaven Lab’s experiments. [Automatically generated summary]
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Good evening or good morning as the case may be across this great land of ours and welcome to another edition of whatever it is we do here.
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All right, let's look around the world and see what's going on first.
In Argentina, an airliner carrying at least 90 people crashed on takeoff tonight, slamming into a nearby golf course, catching fire, and reportedly killing, they think now, about 69 people.
It was a Boeing 737, an airplane I have frequently flown on.
Hurricane Dennis, which skirted the North Carolina coast and then took a trajectory toward the northeast and then more east, appears to have changed its mind, and though somewhat lesser with regard to wind speed, is now moving west, directly west, back toward North Carolina.
That's pretty odd.
I guess it has occurred before, but I thought there was a great big high-pressure system that once it took hold was going to push Dennis way out to sea and keep it going.
But instead, it stopped, and now it's moving back toward the coast.
So look out in North Carolina.
Here out west, we have wildfires burning all over the place.
And I've got to tell you, here where I live, in the Little Prompt Valley, it is so hazy from the fires in the San Bernardino Mountains, just over the hill, which are only now, I understand, about 10% contained.
It is so hazy you can't see the mountain.
In fact, you cannot see the reflected light from Las Vegas anymore, which is really something.
So the wildfires out here are not good.
FBI Director Lewis Free is seeking an independent investigation into the Waco, Texas case.
He wants to know why it took the agency six years to acknowledge using incendiary tear gas canisters to end the branched video siege.
This is really hotter news than you think.
There are subpoenas flying like crazy.
And in fact, right now, Attorney General Janet Reno is being warned that some inside the Justice Department may have withheld evidence from her about the fiery end of the standoff at Waco, Texas.
Oh, what a surprise.
The only surprise to me is that it took this long to get out, finally get out.
As far as I was concerned, and I said then, and I repeat now, Waco was government-sanctioned murder.
That's my opinion, and it was then, and it remains that now.
I recall so well covering the entire thing.
I recall the FBI standing there and saying they would basically wait until hell froze over, if necessary, so that it would not end with violence.
You've got to acknowledge it possible they did not tell her everything, and there was some on-the-spot action that she was not aware of.
But this whole thing is about to blow up big time.
So we'll see.
By the way, we've just had a big solar flare.
It occurred Saturday.
It was actually a CME.
And it was a pretty big one, too.
It occurred crossing the sun's southern hemisphere.
And it should put on quite a light show.
Should be putting on quite a light show.
Here's somebody who writes kind of an interesting email.
Art today, I've witnessed a half dozen birds, that's a half dozen, folks, hit my sliding glass door.
It is three o'clock in the afternoon as I write this, and in four hours' time, six birds have run into my window.
This rarely happens in the same month, much less the same day, much less six times today.
I tell you all this because Jim Birkland was on the sightings radio program last October, said that hundreds of passenger pigeons have been lost in the east.
A leading brain surgeon has unveiled plans to perform the first human head transplant.
The operation already carried out successfully on dogs and monkeys would initially cost about 800 pounds.
That's English.
Among those who could benefit are quadriplegics with conditions similar to that of Christopher Reeve, the Superman actor who was paralyzed after a fall from a horse tragic.
The operation may also appeal to rich people with terminal illnesses.
The technique for transplanting heads was proven in principle with small mammals in the early 1990s.
However, it was abandoned when scientists realized the extra time needed to connect larger human arteries and muscles would deprive the brain of oxygen and cause tissue damage.
Last week, it was claimed this obstacle has finally been overcome.
Robert J. White, an American neurosurgeon, one I have interviewed, by the way, says now he has developed a blood cooling system that means a living head could be disconnected from its blood supply for up to an hour without ill effect.
White and his team, based at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio, claim they've already practiced the technique on corpses retained for medical research at the American hospital where he works.
The white machine cools the brain from 37 degrees centigrade to 10 degrees centigrade.
This slows the metabolism and allows plenty of time to reconnect a head to its new body.
All we're waiting for now, said Dr. White, is the money and the patients.
So they are now ready to transplant a head.
The downside, well, there'd be no connection of the neural system to the rest of the body, so you would be in essence paralyzed.
However, it represents the closest thing that we now have to immortality.
There are those who would say, who would want to live that way?
Others would suggest that, I guess, if you believe there is nothing that comes in the hereafter, then it is better to be here than after, even in that condition.
How about you?
Who would you think would be an appropriate candidate, first candidate for a head transplant?
Well, at this point, yeah, there's a few dry things around to eat, you know, and that's okay.
So what I called to say, sir, is that my bank has put a generator the size of about a half of a semi-trailer hooked up directly to the main gas pipe outside.
The Keister and Keister Insurance Agency just sent me a letter last week saying that they will not be responsible for any lapses nor any quote-unquote act of God things that might happen from any Y2K-related issues.
issue so the president has you mean he's actually had to sneak away to listen to what you have to say Yes, he was on vacation, and now he's snuck away from that.
you don't think we believe that do you i mean i've given local i'll tell you what Do something for me.
This gentleman talks about a supernova and that he thinks our son is going to go a supernova and says the president is now attending his secret briefing.
Anybody know where the president is right now?
He's not at a briefing, is he?
A secret briefing.
Stay right there, and we'll be right back from the high desert.
Open lines.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
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This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 3rd of September, 1999.
Robert J. White, if you're out there, we should get together again.
The last time I interviewed Dr. White, he affirmed all of the experimentation he did with monkeys with regard to head transplants, but he thought it would be years until he would get to a human being.
But here in this August 29th story from the London Sunday Times, it looks like he's just about ready to go, unless they misquoted him terribly.
And I can't imagine that, well, of course, they do get things wrong, but this would be awfully wrong.
I don't quite understand what occurred because the weather guys on the weather channel were saying there is this McGungus gigantic high coming down, and it's going to push the hurricane straight out east.
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Yeah, it'll go east, but I've seen them circle around there.
I've seen them go out there and play around for five or six days and come right back in.
There's something about the Cape Fear River that sucks these things in.
It was very rare that this one didn't come right up the Cape Fear River.
In other words, somehow the automation messed up and it did everything backwards.
In other words, it played all the commercials and the news, but not the program.
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Right, yeah.
But, you know, you had some important, you had a guest on that was supposed to have a guest on that was going to give some either that or it was the trilateral commission.
This is a problem that we have because of the type of material that I deal with.
When a radio station goes off the air for maintenance or they have a technical difficulty, my listeners are somewhat less than tolerant because they always conclude that a government agency is responsible.
And another thing, I was listening to you in Bakersfield probably about seven months ago, Art, and the weirdest thing happened.
I was doing a paper route early in the morning.
You happened to be talking about them green flashes that people had been seeing in Night Skies.
Well, this was in Bakersfield, Art, and I was kind of up in the foothills above the city.
Weirdest thing happens, I see this humongous flash green light, and it was so close to me, Art, that I actually braced myself for something that was about to hit.
It was several hundred feet up in the air.
It had to have landed, I don't know, miles, maybe, you know, 15 miles at the most.
It reminds me of, remember when that island, I think it was a year, maybe two years ago, that tsunami hit?
And a lot of the people on that island were saying that they say, and actually they did find some of the victims burned, and a lot of the people there said they actually saw walls of fire coming at them.
I tell you what, I took a photograph not long ago of a contrail that was really bizarre.
It was like little O-rings, like little puffs of something or another.
And what I think it is, is some new type of propulsion system.
And here's an article that might back that up.
All right.
From the deserts of California to the panhandle of Texas, civilian observers have reported intriguing hints that the Pentagon may be testing one or more super-secret aircraft, including perhaps one with a revolutionary form of propulsion.
They say they have photographed contrails shaped like doughnuts.
Ta-da!
Actually, the quote is doughnuts on a rope.
Seen delta-shaped aircraft with unusual lights and heard engines that pulse with enough force to make walls quiver and sleepers awake.
There is speculation the craft may include next-generation spy planes, either manned or unmanned, capable of flying several times speed of sound, matching or exceeding the fastest planes to date.
But what caught my eye was contrails shaped like doughnuts on a rope.
And if they were to sever my head and attach it to another's body, and other than the fact that I could move, not move my limbs, I felt exactly the same.
Coming up, Albert Taylor, who has been a NASA aeronautical engineer with nearly two decades of experience working on satellite systems for the space program.
And he will, in fact, talk about the space program on this anniversary and the moon and why we haven't been back and a lot more.
He's the author of the best-selling book, Soul Traveler.
We'll talk about that, of course, as well.
And he's an active member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies.
I didn't know about that one, so obviously that's a road we're going to go down this night as well.
So all of that coming up, to repeat a very sad announcement for you.
Father Malachi Martin is near death, folks.
He's in critical condition in the hospital in New York, and he had a fall after what looked like a good recovery.
He had a fall that produced blood on the brain and very much like Danien.
They put in a shunt, literally drilled and put in a shunt to remove the blood and remove the pressure.
And then they removed the shunt.
And at that time, he had seizures, extreme seizures of some sort.
And then following that, at about 1:30 this afternoon, New York Time, now yesterday, the father suffered a stroke, a very serious stroke.
He's received extreme unction.
Your prayers are urgently requested.
Should Father Malachi Martin live to Friday, he will be 78.
I'll keep you informed.
We've got a lot of very good programs coming up for you if you have just joined us.
In addition to Albert Taylor coming up in a few moments, we have tomorrow night a forensic psychologist, the kind of guy who looks into the brain of the killer, the violent killer, the Hannibal Lectors, the son of Sam's, those kinds of killers, the Littleton business, all of it tomorrow night.
Should be very, very interesting.
Also, in the first hour, Stephen Bassett has a couple of surprises for you.
We'll do that in the first hour.
Then the following night, the next night, we are going to have on the former CEO of U.S. Web, Joseph P. Firmage, who also will have some pretty big surprises for you.
As a matter of fact, I heard from him just a few hours prior to airtime.
And it's a show you're not going to want to miss.
In the following week, we will have on another mover and shaker, Bob Bigelow, and I think Robert Bigelow of the Bigelow Foundation.
Both these men have done a lot of behind-the-scenes funding of very serious research.
Bob Bigelow has never, to my knowledge, done a radio interview.
This will be his first.
So a lot of things coming up, more than I have time to tell you about right now.
A lot of things happen right after Apollo 11 landed.
You know, we in America somehow lose interest in flights that aren't the first one.
And especially toward Apollo 17, a lot of people weren't, they had to even, they had to beg to get on those television stations just to get airplayed because a lot of people weren't even interested anymore.
And it did the same thing with the shuttle until the Challenger accident.
Then everyone was watching that first flight.
And then here we are back again where a lot of people have no idea what's even going on with the shuttle missions.
And then the thing about it is back when we, I think it was during the Gemini program, it was proposed that we produce a reusable spacecraft where we could build a space station and use that space station to build another vehicle to ferry back and forth or shuttle back and forth to a possible lunar base that we would build.
Sure.
And then that lunar base would be used to facilitate a halfway station back and forth to Mars.
Well, I would prefer to go back to original designs of the space station when it had full capability to do a lot of things.
It could even expand itself.
It had an onboard shed that a space vehicle would be built on, built in.
It was the Cadillac of space stations.
Now it's a compact economic model, which really is a floating laboratory, and that's going to replace the Mir space station, but it's not going to have any more capabilities.
I would like to see that because with that, that opens the door to our solar system.
We can do a lot more.
And personally, if we can't do that, then I think we're wasting our money.
I would also like to see more money put into the Delta Clipper or the vertical takeoff and return vehicle that a few aerospace companies were coming up with.
That would be good.
And we also need a heavy lifting vehicle because we don't have a vehicle that can put a lot of tonnage in orbit right now.
The Russians have the Energia booster, which is heavy lifting, but we don't have that at all.
So without the heavy lifting vehicle and these other things, we really pretty much are stuck to stay about 300 nautical miles above the Earth, and that's it.
Well, you know, like I said before, I think the people would rally behind the space station if we said this is what we're going to do around the space program.
This is where we're going.
We're going to build a lunar base because we want to get this.
This is the product.
And tell the people that.
Right now, the average citizen has hard times, is trying to feed their family, they're paying high taxes, and they have no idea why this money is being taken out of their paychecks.
Something similar to what's happening to our atmosphere.
The ozone is opening up.
We're losing, our atmosphere is turning to, at least some people are predicting, the greenhouse effect.
So we don't know if Mars was ever inhabited or if it happened naturally, but something happened to its atmosphere where it slowly started losing it and it became thin and then lost pressure, which is really essential.
Right now, if you went there, your blood would boil because the pressure is so thin.
So I don't know exactly what happened, but something did happen to change it, and we need to be very aware of that and even study it.
That would be another important reason to go there so that we don't allow that to happen to our own planet.
What we don't realize, Art, I believe, in a lot of cases, but a lot of people do, is that we are one link in the chain of how this whole system functions.
And if that link becomes weaker or more dominant than others, or puts more stress on the other links, then the chain is going to break.
Well, we have certain parameters that we as humans can exist within.
Plants and some insects have parameters that are beyond what we can.
Like I was amazed that after a forest fire, there were still insects that would come out of the ground and survive the intense heat that we can't.
So if those parameters, meaning temperature and oxygen content and things like that, begin to shift, it becomes thinner, then of course a lot of people are the what's going to happen is it won't be a you know catastrophic and happen overnight, but people will slowly start dying of certain illnesses, especially of cancer when the ozone layer begins to deplete and things like that, and the population will be reduced.
Now, whatever happened to the dinosaurs, that's kind of the same thing that happened to them.
Their population was gradually reduced until extinction.
Is this just the ebb and flow of this particular dirt ball floating in space where life forms come up, become very civilized and advanced, and then somehow either destroy themselves or destroy the planet till the planet no longer supports them and then the planet goes back into a recovery mode.
If you look at how many species have been on this planet and that are now extinct, which like I think it's like 90%, then the probability is that it's exactly like that.
But the one thing we don't know about ancient civilizations as much as we'd like to, but the one thing we do know is we do have capability and technologies and free will that we don't have to let it go that way if we spend time to understand how it functions.
It's going to take planetary awareness and action, not just talk, action.
I mean, there's some things that I love that I have or that you may have or something like that that may be causing this damage, you know, over that we might not even be aware of.
Right, so we just have to get, we may have to give up some things that we've become very, very comfortable with.
Albert Taylor is here, and we'll get back to him in a moment.
This was a very short UPI article that ran and then did not run again.
A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper told WCVB TV in Boston that he was out walking Friday night, just about the time of the crash, and saw a big white flash in the sky off Philman Beach.
Well, hard to say whether there's any relationship or not, but that does appear to be some sort of eyewitness testimony.
Guess we'll know in the next couple of days if and when they make recovery of that airplane.
All right.
We're going to talk for a second about radio because that's my favorite subject of all the world, radio.
It's the best medium there is.
You know what?
I've been offered more than 13 television shows in the last six months, and I've turned them all down, every single last one of them.
Big ones, some of them really big, too.
And it's because I, bless your hearts out there, and I watch it, but I don't like being on TV.
And Albert, I'm going to say this politely, but a lot of people believe that the reasons that we have not gone back to the moon have little to do with public apathy and more to do with what was found or what may be there.
And so they think some of what you've said is a bunch of crap.
And there was something really, really strange that manifested during those interviews.
And that was when Edgar was asked to comment about his emotions, feelings, and recollections when he was actually walking on the moon.
He became suddenly very vague and sort of launched into a, you know, Art, here's something I really haven't understood myself in all these years, that my recollections of it all are kind of surrealistic.
Well, I think, well, I'm only guessing because I think I met Edgar Mitchell one time when I was working on SDI, Strategic Defense Initiative.
He came through and was talking to a few people in a classified area that I was in.
Sure.
But the one thing that I've noticed is that there are a lot of astronauts who have had experiences or some kind of vision or sighting during a program that they're very, very reluctant to talk about.
It may be partially because if you don't understand it, you may sound kind of kooky.
He's rather circumspect and intriguing when he talks about he went to the White House one time and said something really interesting about wondrous things that we will be discovering, wondrous things that are out there.
And when he talked of it, he talked of it not as something that he's guessing might be if we explore, but something that he knows is out there.
I can't say for sure what happened and what Neil and Michael Collins and Buzz and everybody else actually know that they haven't shared with the public.
But I can tell you this.
I have had a secret clearance since I was 17 years old.
I'm 43 now.
I have worked on things that probably no one will even talk about.
And if they do, you won't see it for another 20 to 30 years.
Well, some might absorb that comment and think, aha, he saw something.
Others might absorb that comment and simply sort of have the gee look how many stars and systems and planets there are and from the movie if they are not out there, what a waste of space kind of comment.
I track a lot of people doing a lot of work in this area, lawyers, lobbyists back in Washington who think the political venue is the way we're going to break this open.
I don't think I agree with that.
In other words, I don't think that political pressure, and I know Steve Bassett's sitting out there cringing, but I don't think political pressure is going to do a damn thing, and we're not going to know until we're meant to know.
I mean, so I don't think, I think the only way that it's going to be revealed is from a meltdown, meaning a scandal, huge one, where the evidence cannot be hidden anymore, that kind of thing, because I believe, and this is why I think that, because having been in the military and worked on nothing but military programs, everything is under the label of national security.
NIDS, which is financed by Bob Bigelow, recently did a study and asked the high-end percentage of the public, a big survey with a very small error margin.
They asked people in the survey, if there's extraterrestrial life out there, do you think the government would hide it?
The answer came back.
Eight out of ten said absolutely.
Yes.
And hardly any survey that you run, short of the one about George Bush right after the war, gives you that high of a percentage ever on anything.
If you think about it, let's just simplify it a little bit.
Now, you have two, you have an island where their most effective weapon is the bow and arrow.
And all of a sudden, a world war, for some odd reason, a plane crashes and the natives on another part of the island find in the wreckage a machine gun.
They're not going to tell everybody, the other natives, that they found this incredible thing.
They're going to figure out how to use it, how to make more of them, and then they're going to use it to sustain or take some type of control over their little piece of the island.
I think that's what we would do, and I think that's what we have done, is we're trying to maintain national security and control.
And so you're really, then you are saying that our little piece of the island, in this case, the United States, if it possessed this kind of technology, would be back engineering like crazy.
You would be doing all kinds of things with the technology, but sure as hell not telling the population nor the world about it.
So if you don't have any money, you can read it for free.
It's not about that.
What's really important to me is the message within the pages because I'm sharing my description of what has happened to me and which has changed my life in a spiritual level that I never ever dreamed possible.
Well, one thing that, of course, everybody would be curious about is how you go from being a hardware guy, an engineer with NASA for all those two decades, and make the giant leap for mankind into the metaphysical.
called midlife crisis now i've been having some strange uh... i thought i was i think i was still training after another job of space center when these things started happening to me more often with these happen about once a week But about seven, eight years ago, I started having some strange nocturnal experiences that really scared me.
And I started keeping a diary.
And they were related to, like I've mentioned before, a superstition that's been in my family for a long, long time.
And that has to do with night paralysis, where you wake up in the middle of the night and you can't move, but you can see.
And that's exactly, that's how I started writing this book, because I was having these episodes not only once a night, usually, but sometimes three times a night, and they were scaring me so bad as a grown man, I would literally stay up all night long, afraid to go back to sleep.
That's how I got into it.
I feel like I was kicked or thrown into it rather than something that I consciously wanted to explore.
Especially in one night, I got a chance to experience it three times.
So it wasn't like one night and then a week later.
I was having a nightly basis.
And then what happened, this was happening by itself.
And so being a researcher, I wanted to know if there was something physically wrong with me neurologically or something like that, or psychologically.
So I started going through the process of elimination.
And I stumbled upon the reason why it was happening more often than not.
And what I did, the way I stumbled upon that, is because I just started duplicating what I did on the night that it happened by itself.
And when I did that, when I was able to find this thing, which has to do with interrupting your sleep pattern, I was able to experiment with it a lot more than just waiting for it to happen.
And when I was able to do that, that's when I got a little bit braver and a little bit braver.
And I realized that I was safe because nothing happened to me.
And then that's when I got the courage to start exploring this and to find out what it really was.
Well, if I were sitting in your living room and you and I were just having coffee and you said, Al, do you really believe in this stuff and what's really going on?
I would have to say, Art, I never in a million years would have believed this seven years ago.
I would have thought you were nuts if you'd have told me I'd be talking about this or even that this was something that was real.
But I can tell you, after having all of these experiences, and I continue to have them, and they build upon each other, they're not isolated.
They've rounded my understanding of this phenomenon and who and what I am.
I have to tell you, one-on-one, Art, yes, I am thoroughly convinced, 110%, that we definitely have a soul, and it can operate independently of the physical body.
The only difference, I believe, between what we do each night, consciously or subconsciously or unconsciously, the only difference between that and death is that we come back to our physical bodies.
Consciousness-wise in the experience, I believe it's almost the same.
And as a matter of fact, I have to quote a dear friend of mine, Robert Peterson.
All right, and I am reminded by the man himself, Dick Algaire, and that's not the way to pronounce it.
I know it's A-L-L-G-I-R-E, who is a news anchor in Hawaii, reminds me it was Story Musgrave and not Buzz Aldrin who unveiled that little gray at the end of the talk that he gave in Hawaii.
So, sorry about that.
It was Story Musgrave, not Buzz Aldrin.
But the same questions apply and the same intrigue applies.
Sorry, I got the name wrong.
And, you know, this is worth noting for your consideration.
There is coincidence, and there is and then I don't know what else there is.
There's coincidence.
And I have somebody here who sees a lot of coincidence this last weekend leading up to today.
When you consider the 30th anniversary of Apollo 11, JFK Jr., Chappaquittic, and for that matter, JFK Sr.'s decision to send men to the moon, there's a lot of synchronicity and coincidence, some of it rather unhappy. with all of that.
And I don't know that it means that it adds up to anything, but you've got to admit, it's thought-provoking.
They appear to be related, and you're telling me, yes, they are.
That our soul, in both cases, leaves the body.
But my question to you prior to the top of the hour was, a lot of times I go to sleep, velvet blackness, don't remember a thing, just had a good, sound sleep.
I wake up, hello, world, consciousness returns.
Now I'm told, yes, I dream whether I remember it or not.
But to me personally, there's a big difference.
And sometimes I like velvet blackness.
I really like it.
It doesn't scare me as a little slice of death probably ought scare a person.
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You look at it as a vacation or a break period, right?
And see, what we're talking about regarding soul travel, out-of-body experiences, going exterior, astral projection, whatever label you want to put on it, you don't get that tired feeling because the body does truly sleep.
And matter of fact, it's almost like a suit of clothing that once you take it off and the soul slips out of it, the body pretty much is just a machine that keeps running on its own.
It doesn't move independently, and you don't toss and turn like you would if you were having a rough dream.
Yes, and I've, well, I've been exposed to a lot of different people who've had near-death experience, Danion, and I was in Greece with Raymond Moody, and I've met hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people who are members and have had.
Well, the memory is a very interesting thing, and that's what we're talking about.
We're talking about your ability to consciously recall whatever is up inside your cranium.
And what's something interesting about the memory is just because The memory doesn't present itself when you make the demand or when you try to recall it doesn't mean that it's still not locked away in there and going to be exposed at a future date.
How many times, Art, have you had a dream and then it wasn't until maybe two, three days later, or maybe even a week later that something happened in your waking life that all of a sudden you remembered the dream.
It's happened to quite a few of us.
I don't know how many other people, but sometimes I thought, oh my God, I forgot I dreamt that.
So it's still there.
Whether I'm able to pull it to the surface readily when I want to and right after the experience really doesn't have anything to do with whether it's going to be there to help me at a later date.
That's why that happens to the majority, as a matter of fact.
What I tell people is when you have, and that's why if you read a lot of, talk to a lot of people who do dream work and talk about how to recall dreams, what I tell people is to write it down immediately because it's not going to be as fresh as it would be a few hours to days later.
And the one thing that you'll be missing, especially if you want to understand it thoroughly, is you won't have the emotional content that you had right after the dream.
It'll lose some.
For instance, if I had to write my book now and recall some of the experiences that I had, I wouldn't have put into it all the emotions that I felt that day.
I tell my audience when I'm playing devil's advocate, I try to.
But if more people than not do not have an experience when all vital signs are gone, then why is it not at least possible to suggest that there may not be anything at all but velvet blackness?
Because some percentage experience this thing they seem to recall does not absolutely make it so.
I can only say this because I haven't had a near-death experience.
But I can say it's not, saying more people than not is not as accurate because more people who have near-death experiences are people who, let me back up, people who have had their vital signs cease for a period of time, the majority do have some type of experience.
So that's a great place to look at the percentage of out of all those people, more people have had some type of non-physical recall of an experience than people have not.
Well, I've spoken up there like three times to the largest group in the nation of Ions.
And I also have a dear friend who is on the fire department there who has literally, I mean, he even saved Jimi Hendrix's father's life.
And he was the one who gave me all these statistics because he's actually out there doing this.
And they have an extensive training program where they help a lot of citizens learn CPR.
It's quite phenomenal in Seattle.
I mean, so if you take that given as that a sample of the ratio of people versus the people who haven't had the experience or have no recall versus the people who have in Seattle area, well, you've got the majority who are having some type of experience.
It's not all identical.
Not everybody sees the light.
Not everybody has the same type.
But there are more people recalling consciousness after the body ceases to function than people who aren't.
And me personally, because now we're asking for my beliefs, me personally, I don't believe in hell.
I would say that if you want to call it heaven, you could.
If you want to call it Valhalla or the astral plane or whatever, I believe that there definitely is a location that non-physical or deceased spirits, entities, souls do go.
And even in that location, there are multiple levels in that reality.
And most of the things that I've discovered, because a lot of these areas I've had like out-of-body experiences.
That's going to have a tremendous impact on your experience after leaving the physical body.
Because not that that has to happen or that it's in the cards or etched in stone that it has to happen, but what I find, and I find this in the out-of-body experience, is that a lot of your thoughts can manifest into thought forms and experiences if you let them run amok.
So if you have this belief that, you know, like in Dreams May Come, she had a belief that she had done so many horrible things, and that's why she was there, not because she was sentenced, it's because in that realm, you really have to.
Now, if you knew that in the beginning when you were maybe stepping off the path, so to speak, whatever you may be judging yourself on, if you knew that it's not about someone else judging me or like the child doing something that the parent doesn't know about, and if they get caught, the parent's going to chastise them.
If you knew that beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was going to be you that was letting you down, that would have a tremendous impact on whether you did something or not or whether you stepped off the path.
Well, I like, you know, I look at it differently because I look at it like this.
If I hadn't had an out-of-body experiences or had these experiences all my life, I think my particular soul is so stubborn and so fixed in its views and things like that, so it's going to take something like that for me to change.
And unfortunately, maybe Daniel's spirit is so hard-headed that it takes a near-death experience to open him up and really make him an instrument to share this with many, many, many people.
And so, yes, I believe that our brains can do this, that we are capable of projecting, if you want to call it our soul, we'll call it our soul, or our spirit, or whatever.
Yes, we can project that out of our living body.
But that's all I can attest to.
I can't say that that's as close to death as you're ever going to be, or that's what death is going to be like, or anything else, because, brother, I ain't been there.
If you want to take a ride, stick around because we are going to tell you how we've got the expert, probably the nation's expert on that right now, Albert Taylor, who wrote a book called Soul Traveler, and he can tell you how to leave your body.
And I can tell you, it can be done.
Not that I had any direction in what happened to me.
Since the passing of Robert Monroe, who I had the distinct honor of interviewing, probably the person best known now for out-of-body experiences is Albert Taylor.
And a lot of people out there want to know specifically what this is.
So I guess we're going to have to tell them and tell them how they can do it.
But why you?
So many people don't have this, but Albert Taylor not only has it, but has it almost at will.
And a lot of people, some people have told me why it was me, because I really can't say for sure, but for some reason, with the background that I have and all that, I didn't come from a woo-woo kind of background or upbringing.
I'm a very rational person.
I've been very, I have a very, what do you call it, very, I can't even think of the word.
I've always been working in aerospace and always succeeded in everything that I've done.
I've always been able to present legitimate and valuable information to NASA and a bunch of other people.
So this thing, I guess because I have all those credentials, maybe that helps to add credibility to this thing that's so unbelievable and that maybe that is what it takes to actually get the information out to people who would otherwise be skeptical.
But I mean, if soul travel is everything you say it is, then, well, frankly, with what we know right now and what Einstein has taught us, we are not going to go to other suns and other systems.
We can't do that.
It will take too long.
Soul travel, on the other hand, will get us there, if what you're saying is correct.
But, you know, the thing is, is that even it's a lot easier to have a high reliability in a mechanical device that we create to transport us to a new location than with the out-of-body experience.
And it depends on whether you're going to be relaxed.
So that makes it very difficult for laboratory conditions and things like that.
So until a new generation, or maybe we as a species are evolving to this point where maybe the children being born now are going to have this capability more than the generation, my generation.
Maybe we're going to evolve to a state where this is going to be very commonplace.
We may be in transit.
So we can't expect a lot out of it right now.
What we can do is explore it and try to understand it as much as possible.
And yes, ladies and gentlemen, what you're about to hear, it's true.
It can be done.
You can leave your body.
It's real.
And this man can tell you how to do it.
It begins frequently with a very discomforting paralysis followed by a kind of a buzzing sound, a very loud buzzing sound that you'll hear as you're on the edge of sleep.
Well, after having done, I've written like five different techniques or so in my book.
But there's two that I really think are very, very important.
And the one that is easy for people who have trouble quieting the mind.
If you have trouble quieting your mind, then this one helps you.
And that one is called the interrupted sleep technique.
And what that is, is for various reasons, you want to try to control this whole thing from beginning to end.
And part of that control comes with eating early, early on, meaning before 6 o'clock at night.
The reason you want to do that is because late at night, the body is still using energy to process food, and you want to kind of free the body up from that.
So what you want to do is go to bed maybe about 9 or 10 o'clock.
Set your alarm clock to wake up about maybe 1.30 or 2 o'clock in the morning.
Get out of bed, turn on art bell, and listen to art for a while.
I'm not going to say how long.
Until you start getting tired or sleepy.
Then go back to bed.
Drink water.
Do not eat anything.
You can't eat because that just takes a lot of the steam out of what you're doing.
Go back to bed and then lay perfectly still and in a very, very comfortable position.
Don't prop your head up very high, that type of thing.
And what I like to do is if you're laying flat on your back, a lot of people have a lot of discomfort with that.
Put something under your knees to prop up your knees a little bit.
It's great.
Get all your scratching out of the way, itching your nose and whatever you're going to do.
Because once you stop moving, you do not want to move under any circumstances because it's going to take a while for your metabolism and your body's functions to slowly slow down.
Now, what you want to do with your mind is you want to keep your mind focused on something very, very simple.
And that could be just focus on relaxing each muscle in your body one at a time.
And what you want to do is you want to give yourself a fork in the road.
Because as you're slipping into a different state of consciousness, one thing that happened, if you take the road to the left, let's say, you slip into a dream state with the body.
But what this interrupt the sleep technique does is it gives you a better option, a better chance of taking the road to the right, where your body goes to the left and falls asleep, and your consciousness goes to a superconscious level.
That's what you want to do.
So you want to focus in on just relaxing your body and let your body fall asleep.
The gate swings open and the spirit emerges in its natural state because that's where you really come from.
That's where you know things that you never ever dreamed about yourself.
Once you get to that point, anything and the sky is the limit.
I have not found any limitations as far as physical locations on where I could go and what I could access.
But what I found out is that the physical is just a minute and very tiny part of where you can go.
The non-physical is where you find the universe and things that you never dreamed existed, like life after death, because I never believed in that.
I never believed in that at all.
I thought we were just this genetic accident that after you died, that was it.
You turned to dust.
But that door swings open where you can find validation and personal validation, not believing what I say, but you can actually experience it yourself where you see relatives that you know or that have passed away in the past.
You can see strangers even.
And you can see things, people or entities that we've written books about, biblical books about, like, non-humans and things like that.
And I remember when I first wrote my book, I was telling my aunt about, oh, Auntie, I travel all over the place, and I fly in rooms and see things that I never ever dreamed.
And she told me, my aunt said, well, if you come to my room, I'm going to shoot you.
I said, Auntie, you're going to put holes in your wall.
It is possible to interact with the dream material of somebody else because what that dream material is, it manifests in something called thought forms.
You can read thought forms, you can feel thought forms, and in some cases you can influence thought forms, but in very, very limited cases.
But yes, you can.
You can experience someone's dream or either maybe not as they would experience it, but you can have a sense of what's going on.
Definitely, because especially there are a lot of hidden things beyond the physical plane.
Things that are very natural and things that are occurring.
If you can access, let's say, the past on things that have happened in the past that you knew nothing about that maybe involved you, well, that's going to tell you a lot more about the present and probably a lot more about the future if you know that you have existed in some shape or form in the past or that something occurred in the past that explains what's happening today in the physical plane.
That the human, that mankind may have been going and still is going in exactly the wrong direction.
In other words, to achieve all that mankind wants or would like, the pursuit of the physical, the pursuit of the sciences, the pursuit of the academic may be all the wrong direction.
And the right direction may be completely within, and we just simply have missed it.
Or, that's one perspective, or it might be, and I like this one a lot better, is that maybe we're headed in the right direction.
It's just we have a choice of running or crawling or walking, and maybe some things that we obsess on along the path slow us down, but yet we still are going to get there.
Technology, all these physical things will slow you down regarding that non-physical reality.
But I believe still, we're still headed in the right direction.
To tell you the truth, the five senses are a distraction.
So anything your five senses tell you will either turn your head away from the non-physical and the more you focus in on what the five senses tell you, the less you're going to be able to perceive something that is non-physical.
But if God or the Creator had meant for us to be spiritual and not physical, then what the hell did he give us noses for and a mouth so we could make noise and ears so we could hear?
Why did he give us all of these senses if we were not meant to evolve at least through and past them?
Because I believe that the challenge spiritually is overcoming these things.
I believe that that's what makes us stronger.
It's overcoming these things that are so powerful in our lives and these things that a lot of us only identify with.
To overcome that makes you more spiritually sound, I believe.
And I believe it's helped me because I'll tell you, the way I have been brought up and the schools and things that I have gone to did not help me to accept what I've written about at all.
The one thing I say is that, and I don't want to generalize and say this is going to happen to everybody, but I can tell you this, in my life, it has changed my perspective on everyday occurrences.
It has changed my perspective on how I relate to other people.
I have more peace and well-being and satisfaction in my life than I ever dreamed.
And even in the face of adversity, I've had some really tragic things happen to me, Art, since you and I have been speaking.
I mean, a year ago, my son, who is a Marine, had a horrible car accident and broke his neck and is now in a wheelchair paralyzed.
And for a while, he was on a respirator and we thought we were going to lose him and all of that.
And then through that adversity, I had a spiritual light at the end of the tunnel that helped me make it through.
And I would say that I'm glad that I had these out-of-body experiences and this changed.
So if you have a question for Albert Taylor, author of the best-selling book, Soul Traveler, and yes, you really can travel outside your body, then we'll go to the phones when we get back.
Don't touch that dial.
unidentified
This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
I can only say that it is possible for you to perceive whether they can communicate with you.
I don't know about the life forms.
If they do exist, it is possible.
Put it this way.
Not only is that possible, I don't think there are any limitations.
I think the only limitations are your ability to focus your thoughts.
unidentified
Okay.
So, okay, in regards with the Prime Directive, you know, the old Star Trek thing, is that a safe thing to do to try to contact these people?
I mean, because it's always been thought of that the reasons why it's either the government's hiding the fact that we have contacted aliens or the aliens don't want to contact us directly because of the prime directive.
I mean, I remember when I was a kid, people, you know, we'd go into the bathroom or whatever and look in the mirror and say, Mary Widow or something like that.
But on a scientific note, a lot of people have done experiments with things called a psychomantium.
I've talked to Raymond about it, and a lot of other people have duplicated it.
I think even the Monroe Institute has an experiment with it.
But that's where you put a mirror on one part of the wall with a chair facing it, usually black curtains or some kind of flat black walls environment and turn off the lights.
And people, even Raymond, this is what's amazing to me.
Raymond is such a scientist.
He cracks me up.
Even Raymond will neither confirm nor deny that these things are possible, but he has a whole list of stories he can tell you about personal experiences that have happened to him.
So I have heard of people doing that.
And I don't know if the mirror allows us to blank our mind or to use that other part of us that can see beyond the mirror.
I don't know if that happens or maybe it's just something that helps us.
But definitely people have experiences like that.
unidentified
Yeah, because I was staring in the mirror for a long time and I could really put on a shadow, but of course nobody else would see it.
You were talking earlier about the afterlife and what happens when you die.
Now, my belief, and I don't know if you would agree with this or not, is you end up what you think, like if you believe in a heaven or hell where you're going, that's where you end up.
Well, I think a lot of things happen to us on the other side or in the non-physical that have to do with our belief systems, but those things aren't permanent.
And in that afterlife situation, eventually, whatever the universal reality or truth of where we are is, that eventually filters through.
And a lot of the things that we've taken in or we believe that it's going to be like eventually dissipates and we get to see a clear picture or get a clear understanding of what that reality is all about.
unidentified
Kind of like we all ultimately end up in the same place.
Gee, just think, if we could only get to that place here on Earth, most of the wars and the killing and the strife and the human misery would all stop.
The thing is, is that we, in the physical plane, I believe, have come up with reasons to separate ourselves from our fellow man, be it whatever you see in your, whatever your eyes tell you, whatever you hear, or whatever.
But the reality of the situation is that we aren't separate and that we all are of similar substance and origin.
And the quicker we can realize that, the easier and the quicker we're going to get along and the better and the more prosperous I believe we're going to be.
In the name of everything, in the name of a spot of land, in the name of spiritual beliefs or religious beliefs, in the name of visual shades of color, in the name of handicaps, of everything.
We divide ourselves based on almost everything you can imagine.
Those are the most fascinating stories I've ever heard as a child.
I think it was one of my first year of being a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies, IANS, and I met a kid, I think he was 13 or 14 years old, but he'd had a near-death experience when he was seven.
And one of the fascinating things about it is it wasn't religious-oriented.
It wasn't any of that.
It was just kind of spiritually based, and he told it in a way that it didn't matter what religion you were, it still fit in.
And I thought that was fascinating, and it was told with innocence and honesty.
unidentified
Absolutely, because some of the ones I've heard about, they'll lean towards Christianity or Judaism or whatnot.
And I thought maybe that a child would have a different outcome.
Yeah, I started listening to you a couple hours ago.
And when I was a kid, it seems to me anyway, I remembered it, and then you forget after a while.
But when I was a kid, I used to do that all the time.
And, well, some kids went off, and I sat by a tree, and I went over and listened to what they were saying, and later I started telling them what they were saying, and my sister freaked, who is real religious, says, oh, the devil's in you, so I quit doing it.
And I started hearing you tonight, and yeah, that's pretty good.
Okay, this has been happening to me for about two years.
You know, what we were talking about, I've had, you know, I've had the vibration, I've been coming out of that, but I've never quite come out of the body yet.
Get kind of nervous about it just before that happens.
But and then I've also had, you know, the, you hear the voices just before it happens too.
But then the one incident that I'm really telling about is that I was went through the vibration period and I don't know if I was, you know, starting to come out of the body or not, but I could hear a couple guys yelling and stuff, looking for people who could hear them.
And it's like, all of a sudden it's like, oh, this guy can hear us over here.
And he started talking to me, and that scared me.
And I said, I'm out of here.
So what was that?
Was I going into some like past life regression automatically or what?
I mean, can you imagine if you were suddenly thrusted into that state or died and you found yourself still fully conscious and still in some kind of body, but the only thing is the people who were still in the physical body couldn't hear you?
And wouldn't you search around for someone to be able to link or if you were really obsessed with the physical plane, you would search around for someone to hear you to validate that you are still real.
And if that person did hear you, I think you'd be around them all the time, just trying to communicate with them.
It scared me so bad that I stayed up all night long afraid to go back to sleep.
unidentified
I totally understand.
It happens to me a lot because I'm a driver, and I don't know if it's like if I sleep on my steering wheel, you know, I'll let it head over there and it vibrates.
Well, the only, you know, this is what I can say, and it's still consistent to this day after all this time of actually, once I found out what it was, the only time I have had negative experiences was in the beginning when I didn't know what this was, and I had a lot of fearful thoughts.
To this day, and it's been quite a while since you and I have been speaking.
And you never know what this program is going to be.
It's kind of a cross between science and science fiction.
And I don't know what it is.
But I do know this.
We vacillate between having hard scientists on the air and people who take, well, the kind of approach that Albert's taking right now.
And he's been in both.
And as I listen to these hard scientists, the physicists, the mathematicians, the astronomers, and I listen to the metaphysics type folks, I'm still not sure today where the answer is.
I'm really not.
Are you?
I sit here and I read articles about people building machines, which by the way are almost done, which will attempt to duplicate the Big Bang.
Literally could cause a Big Bang, a black hole, could cause the Earth to wink out, like that.
Yeah, you know, science, I believe curiosity and research are all so important, but I think we should have some kind of restraint so that we don't end up being like children playing with a loaded gun.
You know, end up opening a can of worms where we can't put it back in the can.
I read an interesting book a while back about a scientist creating a microscopic or a small minute black hole.
And it was killing people and going through houses and you name it.
Yep.
That kind of thing.
You know, we have to know our limitations.
I think we have to be very cautious when we're exploring new ground, new technologies, and trying to duplicate what's already out there that nature or God or whatever you want to say has created.
It sounds like it was just happening to you without you trying and you experimented when it was available or when it presented itself to you.
But if you become proactive about it and try to make it happen and read some of maybe try some of the techniques that I've written in my book and in other books, if you've done it once, you can do it again.
Anyway, Albert, I've been having the I'm 41 years old.
I've been having these experiences since I was just a little kid.
But I've noticed lately or whatever, that this plane doesn't seem to be the be-all and end-all that some people think it is.
It's not like the pinnacle of spiritual experience.
As a matter of fact, it seems that there's an emptiness about it.
And I'm not trying to push an agenda.
I have a question for Art, if I could.
I'm not trying to push an agenda, but when you become lucid, or when I become lucid to where I am in this plane, and if my thoughts or my mouth says Jesus Christ or something, that's not very well accepted on that plane.
Am I missing something here?
Or as an experiment, have you ever mentioned his name on that plane and saw the reaction?
What I found out, and I've said this before, is that there are a lot of religious beliefs that are only on the lower areas of the astral plane or that next level.
A lot of those religious beliefs do not exist in the higher realms of consciousness.
Well, look, if they are successful, it won't make any difference whether you're in New York or whether you're out here in the desert the way I'm reading it.
I do want you to kind of like talk a little bit about how you can raise your vibration so you can avoid many of the negative things because sometimes people do experience.
I would like to talk about one experience very quickly.
It'll take a minute.
In the beginning when I tried to move out of the body, this was in 73.
And I was living with a young lady, and I was out of the body.
She went to the bathroom.
When she came back, she saw me in two places at the same time, in bed and out of the body.
And she saw that.
And I did concur.
I did have the experience of seeing her trying to communicate, to tell her not to scream.
Wow.
She did not get my communication.
She did scream quite loudly.
And so, yeah, so that was a validation from someone from external who wasn't.
Well, you know, let me share this with you real quick because there's probably a lot of people out there who have the paralysis and they're not looking to have an out-of-body experience.
They just want to end the paralysis and maybe come out of it.
So if you are, the big thing that I found is that most of us are trying to move the entire body and reconnect with the entire body, and it's very difficult and maybe even frightening because we can't make it happen right away.
But instead of trying to move the entire body and jump back in and sit up or something like that, just think about moving a small portion of your body.
Maybe the little finger, your toe, or something like that.
Because what happens is once you're able to move one of those, it's kind of just a dominoes and eventually you're reconnected and you can move the physical body again.
If there's something non-physical, especially when I found out that if you think it's an alien, you're going to see that whether it is or not.
So, and if it's a guide or something or an angel, or whatever you want to call it, that's wanting, that's trying to take you somewhere, and you're perceiving it a little bit differently, of course, you're going to think you're being abducted.