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Sept. 1, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Peter Davenport - Streaking UFO

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again to report to you from Oregon, from California, from all over the West, people have observed something traversing our skies that took anywhere from a minute by witnesses to two minutes to cross our skies in a very fiery way, floating across.
		It just I don't see how any meteor could take that long to cross our skies.
		There's no way.
		So about 10 seconds before I had to come back on the air, and I hope I made it, we got power back up again.
		We're trying to gather ourselves together here, and I do think we're on the air, but something has occurred.
		The power failure may be totally unrelated to the events in our skies.
		We'll find out.
		Peter Gerston is coming along in a few moments, assuming everything continues to tick along.
unidentified		William Schackner here for Priceline.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, once again, there are a series of events going on.
		They're pretty weird right now.
		We have had an event in our western skies with an object or objects, some saw many, traversing the sky for a very long period of time from west to east.
		At the bottom of the hour, as soon as Peter Davenport has had the opportunity to gather the witnesses and record things for you, we're going to have a comprehensive report put together for you.
		In the meantime, synchronistically, we had planned to have Peter Gerston on, and we are in fact going to have Peter Gerston on in a moment.
		Peter Gerston is our nation's only UFO attorney.
		And I hope all goes well.
		Again, we're on emergency power here.
		The entire valley in which I live has lost power for whatever reason.
		It could be the fires in the San Bernardino Mountains.
		I suppose that might have something to do with it.
		But something major has gone down for some reason.
		Hopefully not related to what happened in the skies.
		I have no idea what's going on, so bear with me, everybody, and we'll make it through all this as best we can.
		Peter Gerston, as I said, is our nation's only UFO attorney.
		He is filing a major lawsuit.
		He's got a brand new website up as of tonight.
		As a matter of fact, Keith Rowland is the man, the genius behind the construction of this excellent website, which I can't get to right now because I've got my computers down.
		This is going to be one of those nights, I can tell.
		So let us go to Peter Gerston, but stand by because we will be getting a report shortly from Peter Davenport.
		Peter.
		Peter, indeed, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Good evening, Arthur.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it figures it'd be, how am I?
		Ten seconds before I went back on the air, all the power went away for the entire valley here.
		I had to go to generator, and something is happening in our skies right now.
unidentified		It's a great story.
unidentified		It sounds like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		It's the ET's acknowledgement of the cause lawsuit today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think so?
unidentified		Either that or a black project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of the two, huh?
unidentified		Let me ask you something, Arthur.
		Did I lose stature since the last time I was on your show?
		The last time I was on, you introduced me as the galaxy's only UFO lawyer.
		Now, just the nations?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the world, certainly.
		The galaxy is probably the only UFO lawyer.
		Well, of course, we don't know about life elsewhere, Peter, so maybe that's stretching it a little bit, but certainly on this planet.
		And by the way, Peter, are you ever going to write a book?
unidentified		I have a book proposal in the hands of some publishers right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a title for you.
unidentified		What is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ready for this?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To sue a planet.
unidentified		What was the name of that movie about the country, The Little That Roared?
unidentified		The Mouse That Roared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Mouse That Roared, that's right.
unidentified		To Sue a Planet.
		Then I can get aid from a planet, possibly to Fun Corp.
		That's what I need.
		It's been a very, very frustrating day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has it?
unidentified		Those are my issues going on.
unidentified		But listening and hearing your voice, I get cheered every day well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad it cheers you.
unidentified		But it's been very difficult.
unidentified		It has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing when the power goes off here.
		I mean, it gets dark, brother.
		I had to light a cigarette lighter to get up to my short power pack to turn on an LED light in here so I could get enough light to stumble around to do the rest of what I had to do, get the generator going, and somehow I think we made it back almost on time.
		It's amazing.
		People have no idea how critical power is.
unidentified		This is an amazing day.
		There's no question about it.
		Everybody must be experiencing something in their own way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, this entry of whatever it is, is there any way, Peter, that you can imagine something, a fireball, so described, or several of them, could take a minute to two minutes to traverse?
		I mean, I've seen meteors all my life.
		We all have.
		And I've even seen fireballs.
		But nothing that could ever approach enough time for someone, for example, as I read in the first hour, to call his family outside and say, come here and look at this.
unidentified		You know what a depressing thought is?
		That probably we're never going to get an explanation as to what this is.
		There are things that have been flying in the sky for at least 50 years that no one has explained.
		And after 50 years, don't you think we need an explanation?
		And here's something else.
		Do you think we're really going to find out what this is unless it decides to expose itself fully in the daylight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The way things are going, it probably hit the power plant here in Burund.
unidentified		It's amazing what's going on, and nobody really seems to care.
unidentified		At least the media doesn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, but people do, Peter.
unidentified		Well, but, you know, the problem is, let me regress for a second.
		You know, the principles cause was founded on.
		Number one, it believes that we are in contact, the people on this planet are in contact with another form of intelligence.
		The evidence is overwhelming.
		Two, it is against all secrecy surrounding this, Whether it's the government, the military, UFO researchers, or the ETs themselves, it believes that we have an absolute right, an unconditional right, to know about contact another life form coming in contact with our species.
		And Ford uses the judicial process to hopefully get at the truth.
		And by using the judicial process, I can hopefully one day go into court and prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury, to the public, to a national audience, that we are in this contact.
		The evidence is overwhelming.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, the quote here, and I've got your quote, it says, according to Gerston, quote, cause has undeniable evidence of an ongoing clandestine invasion, end quote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		I believe so.
		The same evidence that I've used in court for the 20 years I practiced criminal and civil law, I tried hundreds of cases, murder cases, major felonies, civil cases.
		I've gotten large awards for plaintiffs in cases.
		I've seen people, I prosecuted, and sent people away for life.
		The same type of evidence that can incarcerate an individual or win a large award, million-dollar award in a civil suit, the same type of evidence I can use to prove we're in this contact.
		Why is it being denied?
		Why is it being ignored?
		And one aspect of this contact seems to be a threat to our safety.
		And there is evidence for that.
		Why is that being denied?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not only a threat to our safety, but a threat to our national security, and maybe a threat to the national security of every country in the world.
unidentified		Well, I've said in the past that unless we take a close look at what this is, it could be a threat to our survival as a species.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some people think it's going to be our savior.
		With regard to survival of the species, with all that is going wrong with the planet, you know, the environmental degradation we're suffering right now and all the rest of it.
		They really think that somebody will come along from out there and save our butts.
unidentified		Yeah, as long as we look for somebody else to save us, it's never going to happen.
		The only people that can save us is ourselves.
		We have to take our power back and stop giving it away to some savior to help us with our problems.
		But that's beside the point.
		The bottom line seems to be is that, you know, with the lawsuit, which we will get into in a little while, the bottom line seems to be that when I talk about evidence of an invasion, of a threat, it's too scary.
		It's too scary for the media.
		Whoa, an invasion, E.T. invasion?
		An attorney has evidence?
		Whoa, we don't want to touch that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Bob Bigelow's organization, NIDS, I think you know, did a survey.
		And you may be exactly right, Peter.
		In other words, the survey seemed to reveal that if contact were realized, you know, like SETI, for example, got a signal that was 50 light years out or something like that, people would accept it readily and fairly calmly.
		On the other hand, if the evidence was suddenly thrown in front of their face, you know, like something landing on the south lawn of the White House or something Peter Gristen might come up with or pry from the hands of the government, it would not be accepted at all calmly.
		And so you may be right about that.
unidentified		Well, that makes a lot of sense.
		That's why what happened in Roswell is easier to digest than what's happening today in the skies.
		But unfortunately, we have to deal with what's happening today.
		And there's evidence of contact, and it's not through SETI.
		It's right here with us now.
		It's through personal contact experiences.
		It's through crop circles.
		It's through some of these objects that we see, possibly something that we are seeing actually tonight as we talk.
		As a matter of fact, everybody that's listening to us should be outside watching the sky and reporting back to us on cell phones what's going on.
		We should have instant replay on what's going on.
		Now, with all due respect to both of us, I think what we're saying is important, but what's important is what's flying in the sky.
		And everybody should be outside.
		Wake the town.
		Get everybody out of bed, outside, and watch what's going on and let us know what's going on.
		We have an opportunity now.
		Something's being seen in the skies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's interesting, Peter.
		I saw the shuttle re-enter, which is a controlled re-entry.
		And it was a spectacular thing to see.
		And it began as a fireball in the west and then streaked across the sky all in a matter of about 30 seconds or less.
		And that was a shuttle re-entry.
		Now, I have no idea what could take a minute or two minutes to literally float across our skies as we're getting reports tonight.
		I mean, what the hell could that be?
		Nothing we have that I know of.
unidentified		Well, a morning meteor?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
unidentified		Tomorrow morning, we can either get an explanation which we will accept or we will not.
		The bottom line is, no matter what that is, whether it's a natural phenomenon, whether it's something that we should be aware of, we should be outside watching it.
		So if it turns out to be a natural phenomenon, so what?
		So the next time we go watch something out, because we can't rely on the government, we can't rely on the people in authority to tell us what's flying in our own skies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
unidentified		We have to go out and find out ourselves, and we have to bring lawsuits, and we have to write the media and tell them, listen, you've got to cover this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you have gone to newspapers, right?
unidentified		Well, I filed a lawsuit today under Article 4, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution, which requires the federal government to protect the states against invasion.
		The bottom line is that I think the evidence has to be brought to the attention of the species.
		It has to be covered by the media.
		It has to be treated seriously.
		It has to be treated professionally.
		There's evidence here.
		So on the idea that how best to get the media's attention without going under the Freedom of Information Act, because that has become totally impotent.
		As a matter of fact, one of the reasons of the frustration today is because the court denied my request to subpoena Greer And Davenport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On what basis?
unidentified		On the basis is that I did not supply enough basis, enough probable cause to believe that their information would help or would enable the Department of Defense to find the documents that I'm looking for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		In other words, I didn't say, well, I want to subpoena them because they know where the information is or they have sources that know where the information is.
unidentified		Unfortunately, I don't know what any of the sources Dr. Greer has, so I can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever, Peter, did you ever get a reaction from Dr. Greer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he ever email you or communicate with you with regard to your effort to get him subpoenaed?
unidentified		No, not since I announced on your show that that's what I was thinking of doing.
		I had contacted him on two occasions prior to resorting to the attempt to obtain a subpoena, and both times he was totally uncooperative in all ways.
		And I even offered to help him so that he wouldn't even have to do anything.
		I would do all the work.
		And he was still just totally uncooperative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter Davenport, on the other hand, was to some degree cooperative because I asked him on the air and he said, look, I've already said if I'm subpoenaed, I will tell what I know.
unidentified		Well, that's a catch-22, if only if he's subpoenaed, which means that under certain circumstances, he would come forward and tell us what I think is significant information.
unidentified		But unless he's subpoenaed, he's not going to come forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what, though?
		I mean, there is a bit of a conundrum here in that he did make promises, personal, my word kind of promises to the people that he talked to.
		Under subpoena, the balance, I think, would be broken.
		But just tell me what you know, break your promise.
		I'm not sure that one works.
unidentified		Well, I can understand his position.
		The problem is he shouldn't have promised in the first place.
		I don't understand why he did, but since he did, then it's the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suppose somebody came to you, some pseudo-government source came to you and said, all right, Mr. Gerson, sit down, have a seat.
		We're going to tell you what's really going on here, but you are going to have to promise, for at least the time being, to keep it to yourself.
		And you have that choice.
		It was either, okay, I promise, or, hell no, I can't keep it to myself.
		Go away.
		I don't want to know.
		Now, be honest with yourself and me, Peter.
		What would you say?
unidentified		Well, I'll be very honest with you.
		I'll tell you the truth.
		Number one, there is such a thing as an attorney's privilege.
		I've had that in relationships with clients.
		Everything clients tell me in the course of my representation has to be privileged.
		I have to keep it secret, confidential.
		I know, but the answer is no.
		The answer is no, author.
		I would tell them, goodbye.
		I don't want to know the information because it would compromise me as to what I want to write and talk about.
		And I don't want to be compromised.
		What happens if I find out the same information through another source?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, but Peter, I work a lot with attorneys, as you know, maybe more than I want to.
		And I know that attorneys will take information sometimes on background.
		And although they don't develop that information directly in court, they use it to develop information based on what they've been told, right?
		In other words, you get something from somebody under privilege, but you find another way to go to the source and get the information.
unidentified		Okay, so you're qualifying it now.
unidentified		You're saying that I can use the information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm saying you know you could.
unidentified		Well, I don't.
		You see, the thing is, we're talking in a vacuum, and I don't really know what it is that I can use or not use.
		It depends on the agreement between the two parties.
		If the agreement is not to use the information in any way, shape, or form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but if you can go down another highway and develop the same information because you know what the destination is, then information is power, right?
unidentified		Well, I would consider it.
		In other words, if the only thing I didn't have to do is reveal the actual information learned from this people, these people, but any leads that I got or any other sources, that I was on my own.
		Yes, I would consider that, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good enough.
		Hold tight right there, and it may be for a while.
		We'll check with Peter Davenport and see if he has his act together with regard to what's just happened in our skies out west here.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, what a weird night.
		This is really weird, folks.
		We have had a major occurrence out west here.
		I don't know what's happened, but we're about to find out.
		Peter Davenport is about to be on the line with me.
		And I, of course, began receiving reports, which I read to you in the first hour, of something major in our skies crossing west to east and seen in Oregon and California, and who knows where else, probably here in Nevada as well.
		I was on the air, or actually not on the air, but just prior to going on the air, so I missed it.
		And then our entire valley is now out of power.
		You are hearing me right now, courtesy of an 11.5 kilowatt generator operating on propane.
		And I just walked outside and looked to both sides of our valley, and it is utterly dark.
		All power in the Perump Valley is off everywhere.
		It's absolutely eerie out there.
		I mean, really eerie.
		You can see a few neighbors who have got candles flickering, but other than that, close in, there's nothing out there, folks.
		It's deader than a doornail here, and we're on emergency power as I speak to you.
		So, Peter Gerston is my main guest.
		Peter Davenport is coming up in a moment because something's going on out there.
		Something big.
		Pornography on the internet is serious.
		Moon coming up.
		I'm telling you, it is a weird night.
		It's a blood-red moon coming up out there Over a smoky valley.
		There's a lot of smoke and absolutely no light at all.
		All power in our valley is off.
		And something streaked across our western skies going west to east here at the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington, where I bet the phones have been going absolutely berserk, is Peter Davenport.
		So we can get it.
		Peter, welcome.
		Are you there, Peter?
		Oh, wait a minute.
		Push the button, dummy.
		All right, now you should be there, Peter.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Can you hear me now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, indeed, you're correct, Art.
		Something has taken place.
		We're trying to put the pieces together here.
		I just walked through the door about an hour ago and was confronted by a full answering service stacked up with messages to the ceiling.
		I've gone through those messages very briefly.
		I have a few cuts here, but in brief summary, it appears that something has happened from as far north as Oregon in the vicinity of Eugene, the objects we're seeing.
		We're talking about multiple objects.
		It appears, this is all based on preliminary data, of course, but it appears as though we're dealing with more than one group of objects.
		Apparently, a large group of objects, I'm estimating seven in number, they were visible to most observers on the ground long enough for them to be able to count the objects, very large in size, went from approximately northwest to southeast, the full length of California.
		In addition to that, we have reports from Nevado, California, just north of San Francisco, of course.
		People saw an object come in from the west and then split into three parts and proceed to the east.
		How many groups of objects we're dealing with at this point, we don't know, but it appears to me at this early stage that at least two distinct clusters of objects.
		We just got a call from NBC News in Chico, California.
		They confirm that they've taken a number of reports there.
		And a very interesting report from Portland, Oregon, some witnesses on the ground there report that what they think were military aircraft went at a blistering pace headed south probably on an afterburner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chasing it.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Chasing whatever it is we're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now I have, I began right away to get faxes, which I began reading on the air, Peter.
		Yeah, people are telling me they saw this for as long as one to two minutes going from horizon to horizon.
		They described it as floating across the horizon, not coming in any way as a meteor would come in.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's consistent with everything we have received, too.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I've taken about 15, approximately 15 reports in the last hour, Art, and they're still coming in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to verify that, I mean, people, you know, they're almost in shock, but here's a man in Reading, California, who had time to go out and actually invite his family to come out and see it occurring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, no matter what you think of eyewitness testimony, if he had that much time, I mean, that's just not possible.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's certainly not Crash Dummies or Swamp Gas, that's for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, indeed not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've got some audio for us.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let me play one short clip.
		I think it's about 40 seconds.
		This comes from a family in Chico, California.
		I think mother and four children were able to see the objects, and they counted them.
		Let's just go to the cut.
		Here we go.
unidentified		It's Wednesday night at 9.34, and my boys and I were just outside and saw a group of glittery-tailed UFOs going from northwest to southeast across from horizon to horizon.
		They were visible for probably a minute, a minute and a half.
		There was a large group in the front and several following, one of which changed its course in order to get into a better line.
		I'd be glad to talk to you anytime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Was Chico, California?
		Apparently, the objects were actually maneuvering in formation.
		This is not a proton booster breaking up, as far as I can tell, Art, or any kind of space junk.
		Let me go right to a cut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she said, Peter, I'm sorry, she said one of the objects changed its course to get back into formation.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they were maneuvering, Art.
		This is very similar to what we heard in November of 1997, November 14th, Friday night.
		You probably remember the incident in which the cluster of lights went across Washington and British Columbia and Alberta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall, yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That was the incident that caused the Air Force out of Cheyenne Mountain to declare that it was a proton, Russian proton booster flying from east to west, interestingly, that plunked down in the Pacific.
		It's going to be very interesting to see what their statement is about this incident.
		My sense of it, based on now about 15 messages I've listened to, is that we're dealing with something major and it is not meteor.
		And there's been some very complex maneuvering of these objects to take place.
		And again, they've been seen by as far north as Eugene, perhaps even Salem, Oregon on I-5 by a trucker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And these are early days, yet, with regard to reports.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And I should mention that our answering service is filled up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder, Peter, how far east it was seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if people here in Nevada saw it.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I haven't taken any reports from Nevada yet.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I'm intrigued by the fact that your power is out there, Art, because they were headed right in your direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The entire valley's out.
		I have no idea what happened.
		But just prior to the hour actually coming back, 10 seconds, literally before I was due to come back from the news, all power went off in the valley, and we had to scramble and get the generator on.
		And we're still on emergency power.
		Now, my internet is down at the moment.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		So is mine, interestingly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if somebody could please email my webmaster, That would be Keith Rowland, webmaster at artbell.com.
		I would like to know how extensive the power failure is.
		I don't know, for example, whether they have power in Las Vegas or not.
		And I would like to know.
		I have no idea how extensive the outage is, whether it's related or not.
		But you go right ahead with more.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Let me go to another cut that comes in from Novato, California, again, just north of San Francisco.
		Comes in from a young woman who was driving with her husband.
		I think they were going east on Route 37.
		And this is what she describes that the two of them saw.
		Here we go, Novato, California.
unidentified		Which was a series of three glowing trails slowly moving across the sky at a low altitude.
		And I watched one of them break off.
		And so these looked like they were heading south across the sky, maybe southeast.
		And I watched one break off from that configuration and go off into an easterly direction.
		And we pulled over on the side of the highway to see what was happening with that.
		And just as we pulled over, they actually just completely disappeared from view.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Just disappeared from view, apparently.
		So we have reports of objects approaching the main cluster with which they're flying.
		We now have a report of an object separating itself from the cluster of lights that it was flying with.
		We've had reports of clusters as large as seven or perhaps eight fairly large objects.
		That was the cluster that went down sort of the spine of California, headed to generally in the southeastern direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a question, Peter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would it be possible, and you probably haven't had time to do this yet, but if you had pretty good time hacks on when these objects were seen from Oregon and when they were seen in California, you might be able to estimate the speed of the objects.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's the interesting thing.
		All the times are about the same.
		In other words, the time, and I'm going on memory now, but the time reported over Oregon was about 9.30 to 9.35.
		But all the times over California are about the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same time.
		I'm getting the same thing.
		From Redding, California, from, let me see, where in Oregon, southern Oregon, it says.
		Only southern Oregon.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		So they were up over northern Oregon, again, in the vicinity of Salem, and certainly as far north as Eugene.
		And we're getting calls from law enforcement, 911 facilities.
		And again, I'm particularly intrigued by this allegation or assertion that military jets were going out of the Portland area, headed apparently south.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who told you that?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It comes in from somebody in the news media, I believe.
		I have a telephone number, but I didn't get a name on that.
		It was just before I was going on the air with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, whatever these things are, somebody considered them obviously to be some sort of threat to national security.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That would appear to be the case, or of interest to the military, ruling out the possibility that it's one of their own pieces of hardware.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		So it looks like a major event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, since I'm, again, folks, please, since I am not able to access the internet at the moment, if you would be so kind as to, if you saw the objects and or you have lost power, please contact Keith Rowland.
		That would be webmaster at artbell.com, and we'll try and get some of that information together as we move into the next hour.
		You've got more, Peter.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have a few more cuts here that are particularly interesting.
		The next one comes from a truck driver who was in just south of Mount Chast in Northern California in the vicinity of Dunsmuir, I think he said.
		This is his description of what he saw.
		It's somewhat different from the reports I've played so far.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Southern California, just south of Mount Chasta.
		At 9.30, I was looking off outside of my truck of a driver.
		I saw a bunch of diagonal line of white dots with a long trail of golden, fiery color straight up in the sky heading north to south.
		It had a leader in front of it with the same tail behind it.
		I countered it for 15 seconds before it got out of sight.
		It did not dissipate at all.
		The color was bright until it was out of sight.
		But by unmeted distance, it was about three inches between my thumb and forefinger.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Three inches between thumb and forefinger.
		That's probably about six to eight diameters of a full moon.
		So the cluster was smeared out across the sky for individuals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's big.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It was a big formation of lights.
		And I have a cut here from, I think it's from Napa, that suggests that the witnesses there saw large objects and small objects, suggesting that perhaps the latter were at higher altitude by the time they'd gotten down to Napa.
		So let me go to that cut, if I may, Art, and let's hear what this gentleman has to say.
unidentified		Here in Napa, and we just saw a weird sighting.
		It was a single red light shooting across the sky at semi-to-rapid speed.
		It was lateral.
		There wasn't falling at all.
		And then immediately it shot at three different pieces.
		One shooting upward, one shooting straight, one shooting downward.
		It was about 10.30 California time.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And if you'd like to contact me, I think he meant 9.30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		But that is the only report we have of a single object breaking into multiple objects.
		Interestingly, this is very similar to a number of reports we received of that dramatic event on the 15th of August over New Mexico.
		We are still collecting very, very interesting data on what happened there.
		And we have a number of people who report, like one of the early witnesses whom we had on that first program, Jake from Aztec.
		You may recall, he described how the object just sort of blew into a bunch of streaks of light.
		We just received another interesting report similar to his from Bosque, New Mexico, about 25 miles south of Albuquerque.
		So, what is happening tonight has some parallels to what happened over New Mexico on the 15th of August.
		I have no idea what's going on tonight, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was what I was about to ask you.
		Peter, is this report at all consistent with what a meteor could be?
		In other words, could a meteor or a group of meteors or even space junk remain for a minute or two minutes in sight?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I think it is possible in theory for space junk to do that.
		For example, when the space shuttle comes back, it's usually in the atmosphere burning bright probably for five, maybe as much as ten minutes.
		However, the objects are reported to be maneuvering, and people see the, again, the sparks are coming off the tails of these objects, not off the noses.
		When an object comes back from space or comes in from space at high speed, it is the nose of the object, obviously, which heats up.
		Everybody is emphasizing that very beautiful trails of sparks are trailing off the trailing edge, the aft end of these objects.
		And again, the objects, according to many reports, are seen by the witnesses to be maneuvering in some kind of complex fashion.
		That's the interesting thing, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the first one you played, the lady who said she saw an object get out of formation and then move back into formation.
unidentified		Yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It was approaching the group, apparently trying to orient itself somewhat closer to the other objects.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		So it's going to be very difficult to force this one into the space junk box.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, I would like to make another appeal, and that is to anybody in the military or anybody who had access to weather radar.
		Again, would you please send an email to my webmaster?
		That would be webmaster at artbell.com.
		And give us a contact phone number.
		These should have shown up on all kinds of radars, right?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It depends on their altitude.
		My understanding is most aviation FAA radars go up only to about 60,000 feet.
		If these were above that altitude, they would not have been seen on an FAA radar scope.
		Whether military goes higher than that or not, I don't know.
		But if anybody got videotape, we'd certainly like to see it.
		Or any other kind of objective evidence they may have gotten of these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And particularly any witnesses who saw military aircraft chasing them.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did that person tell you?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		He called from Beaverton, Oregon, and he said that he lives under the major north-south route for commercial traffic.
		If you take off from Seattle and go south, you go essentially right over Beaverton.
		He said they're very familiar with traditional commercial traffic, and they can distinguish between military and commercial.
		And the objects, the aircraft rather, they heard tonight were distinctly military, they thought.
		And they were going to the south.
		So it appears that they may have been out of either the Portland area.
		I think they have Air National Guard.
		They may fly F-15s out of Portland.
		They also could have been out of Tacoma, McCord Air Force Base, which is not too far north of there.
		It wouldn't take them very long at all to get from Tacoma down to Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any reports at all of any impact?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		None so far.
		If anybody saw those objects close to the ground, obviously, we would like very much to hear from them.
		Or if anybody sees them stop in mid-air or stop close to the ground, we'd like to get reports from those individuals as well, obviously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		As you know, I've got Peter Gersten on the line.
		And so I'm going to go away for, oh, I don't know, about 13 minutes, Peter.
		If you want to collect any more data during that time, go right ahead.
		I'm going to come back to you after the top of the hour break and then bring you on with Peter Gersten, if that'd be all right.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that sounds fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then stay right where you are.
		Well, very, very strange occurrences here in the West tonight, folks.
		Something streaked across our skies, something big, something that had several portions, something that maneuvered.
		That's what we've got so far.
		We'll be right back from the high desert.
		This is Coast to Coast AF.
		What a night.
		Good morning, everybody.
		We are monitoring several stories going on here.
		Obviously, a large object or objects have re-entered the atmosphere.
		And I say re-entered because I'm beginning to get some reports that some news media is saying that it was a Russian booster rocket that the scientists thought would come down over the Pacific, but has re-entered early, unexpectedly, obviously causing a pretty big commotion.
		Now, whether or not that's an accurate story, I have no way of knowing.
		I also have a second story, both of these from Keith Rowland, who is able to receive email and relay it to me by telephone.
		We are in contact.
		That power went out in parts of northern Arizona at, get this, 9.30, the same time as the Russian booster, if that's what it was, was seen to be re-entering.
		Now, why chase planes would be going after a re-entering Russian booster, I don't know.
		And whether that is an accurate story or not, I don't know.
		But I report it to you as I have received it.
		Several people have said that various news organizations have reported that what we have seen is some sort of Russian booster that has re-entered.
		Back now to Peter Davenport at the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Peter?
		Yeah, I'm here, Art.
		That's a very interesting bit of information, and indeed in the final analysis, it may be an accurate report.
		I'm trying to get to a map of California to look at where places like Chico is relative to Novato.
		We heard that gentleman describe how an object came in from the west and split into three pieces.
		Also, one thing I wanted to add are during the break, I was going through some of my hastily scribbled notes here.
		The trucker up in Oregon actually was closer to Portland than he was to Eugene, and he reported that the objects he saw disappeared suddenly from his sight.
		Now, I don't know much about re-entering space junk, but it seems unusual to me that it would come into the atmosphere and then just disappear from sight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was trying to put together the other comment.
		The lady who said that something went out of formation and then got back into formation, I suppose the aerodynamics of something re-entering could cause it to seem to veer to off course and then veer back again.
		I'm trying to put together in my mind how that could be.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And also the amount of time that we're talking about, a couple of minutes or so, suggests to me that some fragments of this, if it is indeed space junk, fragments should reach, some of them should reach ground level.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		The other question I have is why the military, or rather the space command, didn't scorn people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, they said unexpectedly re-entered.
		They thought it would hit the Pacific two days from now.
		Now, these are very sketchy reports, Peter, and don't depend on them at all.
		I'm simply passing on to you what I'm getting from Keith, who's going through tons of email right now.
		I'll bet.
		Anyway, it's kind of an interesting backdrop.
		By the way, we're well over an hour now here without power in the entire valley.
		I understand Las Vegas does have power, and I'm not sure about other directions from here.
		And again, northern Arizona lost power, interestingly, at about 9.30, Peter.
		That's ironic, isn't it?
		Yeah, it is.
		You know, you remember when the western half or western third of the U.S. lost power?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There were objects that night that went streaking across, as you may recall, and then boom, the power went down.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I remember the night, actually.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Similar events back in, I think it was the 9th of December 1965, the Great Eastern Blackout, of course, objects reported.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, should we believe reports on the radio that say it's some sort of Russian booster?
		I don't know.
		That's a mundane, interesting explanation, but I'm not sure I believe it any more than any of the rest of what I'm hearing.
		You know, it's early days here.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I'm looking at a map of California.
		Obviously, Nevato is just north of the San Francisco Bridge.
		The one witness who's reported from there suggested that it was one object coming in from the west, and it split into three separate objects.
		Now, if that's the case, that is a far cry from an object coming down from northern Oregon moving at a steady procession over northern California.
		Now, of course, we're going to have to put all the pieces together.
		It's going to take days to analyze all the reports.
		And I don't want to say it can't be space junk, but based on the preliminary reports we've gotten, it does surprise me that if this is space junk.
		But time will tell, I guess.
		And again, if anybody saw objects close to the ground or heard anything, we would like to know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to ask you, Peter, to hold on for a moment.
		I want to bring you on with Peter Gerston.
		It's very synchronistic that you should happen to be here.
		We'll do all of that in just a moment.
		Seven.
		Only UFO lawyer that we're aware of in the cosmos is Peter Gerston, and he is with us now, or back with us now.
		Thank you for yielding some time, Peter, so that we could do this.
		Are you there?
unidentified		Oh, no problem.
		This has been fascinating for me.
		Very synchronistic, as you say.
		You know, it's amazing.
		I'm just sitting here in amazement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What I would like to do is to bring on Peter Davenport for whatever comments he may still have and for a bit of a discussion, because you were going to depose Peter Davenport.
		And let's find out why you were going to do that.
		Mr. Davenport.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I am here, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any more updates?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
		Just one more cut from Auburn, California, but essentially it's the same.
		One observation I make, Art, just very briefly here, is November 14th, 1997, when that alleged Russian booster re-entered over the Northwest, people reported that there were seven large objects, principal objects.
		That is the same number that people are talking about tonight.
		Whether there's any significance to that or not, for example, there could be seven major engines and fuel tanks that are the principal metallic objects in a proton booster, if that's what we're dealing with tonight.
		But I did note the similar number between the two incidents, again, November 97 and the incident tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when somebody tells me a Russian booster has re-entered, and that's what we all just saw, we've got to take their word for it.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess we have to consider that seriously.
		And time will tell, and after we've looked at the reports and the data, we'll know more.
		Everything we've said tonight is very preliminary.
		I would state that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		To be out, a power out an hour and 20 minutes where I am, the entire valley is highly unusual.
		The Northern Arizona outage at 9.30 is also of some interest.
		At any rate, Peter, if you wouldn't mind, Peter Davenport, if you wouldn't mind, tell our audience why it is that Peter Gerston sought to have you subpoenaed, deposed, With regard to something that you know, tell us as much as you're able to why he wanted to talk to you.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it stems from a meeting I had with some people from the federal government.
		They contacted the National UFO Reporting Center in late April 1997.
		They were interested in some information we had that they had seen on our website.
		They requested a meeting.
		That meeting did take place on the 17th of May 1997.
		Very interesting meeting.
		It was scheduled to have lasted for an hour, but it ended up going for four hours.
		So I presume they were very interested in what I had to say.
		They were deadly serious about wanting information.
		When we sat down, I guess principally as a courtesy to me, they said, three things, Peter.
		Let us state our position with regard to the UFO phenomenon.
		Number one, we know that it is real.
		Number two, we know that these objects or we suspect that they are controlled by some form of intelligence.
		And number three, we're worried about them.
		That was the beginning of a four-hour meeting.
		It was very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And these definitely were government guys.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		They certainly worked for the U.S. government.
		I had assured myself of that long before the meeting took place.
		Then in June of 98, I revealed this on Coast to Coast, as you will recall.
		Peter Gerston, I gather, got wind of this from one of his subscribers to his website, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's got a very extensive newsletter that goes out by email every day, which is free, by the way, folks.
		And a new website up.
		We'll tell you about all that.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And Peter contacted me in June of this year to confirm that these facts were correct.
		I assured him they were.
		I sent him an email.
		And from that, he's expressed an interest in knowing who these people are in support of his case in federal court to press the government to come clean with the American people.
		That in a nutshell is what is going on.
		Peter might have some amendments to what I've said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Peter Gerston.
unidentified		No, that's basically true, but let me back up for a minute.
		First of all, Peter, I think you did a great job tonight, and I think you're doing a great job in general.
		And I think all of us, all the people on this planet, have a great deal to be thankful for with you, the head of the UFO Reporting Center.
		And I know the sacrifice you're making.
		I know the financial difficulties that you have.
		And it's wonderful.
		And I'm in deep gratitude.
		And I pay tribute to you, my friend.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you very much for the kind words, Peter.
		You're right.
		People should understand that being a UFO investigator is very, very hard work, oftentimes full-time work for very little compensation.
		In fact, no compensation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A very strange job to have, period.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it sometimes makes me wonder about me, Art.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		260 million Americans, I end up with the hotline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and there you are.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Why me, Lord?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		It's wonderful that you can be on the show tonight reporting to us, because other than that, where are we really going to hear the information as it's happening?
		But with that said, the bottom line is causes against secrecy of any kind by anybody.
		And there's secrecy surrounding this meeting that Peter had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter, what promises did you make?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking to me now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yes.
		I'm sorry.
		Peter Dappenporte.
		I better say that.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		When we were approached by these people and they requested the meeting, one proviso they requested was that they did not want members of the press knocking on their door.
		And they said, Peter, we would like to meet, but can we do it in such a fashion that you do not reveal who we are?
		Well, I consented to that art.
		I explained to them that we do handle privileged information probably on a daily basis with regard to not revealing personal information about the people who contact us without their express permission.
		If we get their permission, of course, we give out name, telephone number, and so on, for example, for purposes of investigation.
		At Peter's request, I went back to these people and I explained to them that Peter Gerson had a case in federal court.
		He was very interested in talking to them or knowing who they were.
		And I did consent to Peter's request to try to get them to go public or to contact Peter.
		I've exchanged probably three or four emails with them, and they have declined to do that.
		They do not want publicity, and it's that simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, short of a subpoena, I know you said if you were subpoenaed, you would come forward with the information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But short of that, you gave your word as a man, as an investigator, that you wouldn't reveal your source.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly the case, and I have to honor that.
		That's the way our operation runs.
		We can't do anything that would make people believe that the information they impart to us would find its way into the public forum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter Hurston, what do you say to that?
unidentified		Well, what can I say to that?
		I brought a lawsuit against the Department of Defense involving these large flying triangles, and the government, the Department of Defense, replied that they have no information on this object.
		And now Peter sits down and has coffee with some federal employees, possibly from the Department of Defense, who tells him three things, that number one, UFOs are real.
		Number two, that they're under intelligent, some kind of intelligent control, which would mean not our control.
		That's the implication I get.
		And number three, that their agency is worried about this.
		And I just have to sit with my hands tied behind my back because Peter made a promise to these two.
		And the promise had to do with publicity.
		Now, I'm not saying that they're going to get publicity, that I would put them in any kind of jeopardy or compromise their positions.
		I want to talk to them.
		That's what I want to do.
		If They tell me they don't have any information concerning my particular lawsuit, goodbye.
		If they can tell me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But obviously, they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, with what you just laid out for me.
unidentified		Well, if they tell me that I can't reveal any of the information, but then what we talked about early in the program, possibly I can go indirectly and maybe speak to somebody else who can give me information.
unidentified		You know, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Peter Davenport, are they willing, do you think, to talk off the record as long as they're assured it's not going directly to the press or going to get to the press or anything else?
		In other words, to pass on the information to Peter Gerston that he could follow through other avenues, not specifically the information they provide?
		Yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I requested that they do that.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I specifically requested that they contact Peter Gerston, gave them his address and phone number in Scottsdale, the new one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're even declining that.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They, after some consideration of that, declined that.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I suspect, however, that they would prefer to do that rather than have it broadcast in public, but I'm only conjecturing there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not the threat because we can't make that threat because Peter Gristen has been unable to get a subpoena.
		Both of you hold on for a moment.
		We'll take a break here at the bottom of the hour.
		Continuing to operate on emergency power from Tarump, Nevada.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Was it a Russian booster re-entering?
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter Gerston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter?
unidentified		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Peter Davenport?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I'm here too, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any updates, Peter?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		No, nothing new.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I haven't had a chance to check our messages while I'm on this line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't I allow you now to get off the line and go ahead and see if you can collect some more information for us and get us another report before we're off the air tonight?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		I'll touch base with you again in about a half an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Davenport, thank you so much.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, and good night, Peter.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.
		And now, once again, here is Peter Gerston.
		Well, Peter, man, what a night.
unidentified		Quite a night, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got computers going down left and right here, so.
unidentified		I have a point to contention with you, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, far away.
unidentified		Maybe I misunderstood what you said, but several moments ago, you said that in reference to the rocket booster, you said we, quote, we have to take their word for it, unquote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I said we really have no choice.
		In other words, that's all they're saying.
		If that's what they're officially saying, then we either have to take their word for it or believe they're lying to us, right?
unidentified		Well, we have reason to believe they're lying to us, don't we?
unidentified		Do you believe the Department of Defense has no idea, no information what these flying triangles are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't believe that.
unidentified		No, and you saw it.
		Do you think what you saw, the Department of Defense, does not have information on, whether it's ours, whether it's somebody else's, whether it's something else's?
		So they're lying.
		In other words, the presumption now is that we don't believe what they tell us.
		And we know for a fact, besides the DOD lawsuit, we know whenever there's a major event, there's cover stories.
		It started way back with swamp gas.
		It goes flares, right?
		Flares.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		And planes.
		And for every, almost every sighting, a major sighting, there's an explanation.
		It has to be a cover story.
		If only to give to the media so that the people who don't want to be alarmed will accept this explanation and go on their own way, nine to five, weekdays, weekends.
		And they won't be bothered because the implication of what is going on in this reality is very alarming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
		It sure is.
		This whole thing is alarming to me, Peter, what we're going through right now, and how you're going to break through that barrier.
		Describe the lawsuit that you filed, where you filed it, and so forth.
unidentified		Okay, but one other point about what we talked about with Peter Davenport.
		What's frustrating, and what to a certain extent is ludicrous, is we have two federal employees who contact him and discuss whatever it is they discuss, telling him certain facts about the UFO phenomena.
		They then tell him that they do not want him to reveal their identity or what affiliation.
		But they can talk about what they are telling him.
		In other words, he comes on national radio, a U.S. show, and he tells everything about it, right?
		The conversation.
		But then they don't want to go any further.
		It's like a tease.
		How can we verify the information?
		Even witnesses in the grand jury, well, not in the grand jury on trial, are cross-examine us to their credibility.
		Number one, how do we know they're telling us the truth?
		How do we know where they know their information from?
		And if, in fact, their concern, their agency is concerned and is truthful, then causes concern.
		And that's the basis of this lawsuit.
		We're concerned, but it's based on the evidence.
		There is evidence of contact.
		There is evidence that an aspect of this contact is threatening.
		And it's the same type of evidence that we see in court.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you lay out your case, that not only is there evidence of contact, but that the contact is threatening, how do you endeavor to establish that?
unidentified		Well, in two forms it takes, the threatening aspect.
		The first, and it's interesting because in this type of lawsuit under Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution, there's only been one interpretation, one prior case, and that was where Arizona sued the United States under Article IV, Section 4.
		And they wanted to be protected against the illegal aliens that were coming in from Mexico.
		Isn't that synchronistic?
		And the court, in looking over that section of the Constitution, said basically it applied only in cases of an armed hostility.
		Okay, now if we can back up a couple of more points, the reason that I brought this lawsuit indirectly has to do with Dick Hoagland.
		Dick Hoagland, I think last year sometime, had a discussion with me about bringing a lawsuit against NASA because of certain practices that NASA, certain rituals that they were involved in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Of certain practices that NASA, certain rituals that they were involved in.
		Yes.
		And I thought about it, and I did a little research, and I spoke to him again.
		I told him I couldn't find any basis, any legal basis where the government or NASA would be responsible unless we could show some kind of like if a person was fired, if a NASA employee was fired because he wouldn't go along with these rituals, then we can bring our lawsuit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you would need a specific incidence of some sort.
unidentified		Some cause of action, some direct connection between NASA or the federal government and, you know, Richard, or you needed a plaintiff in the action.
		So he said, oh, Peter, you're just not thinking creatively.
		You should think, you broaden your horizons, come up with some novel approach.
		Well, I thought about it, but I couldn't come up with any.
		A little while later, I was getting these reports, and as you said, we send out newsletters every day, and in response to the newsletters, we get back personal contact experiences.
		And people were sending in experiences about what, if committed by humans, conduct if committed by humans would be prosecuted.
		People would be arrested and prosecuted and put on trial and then sentenced to incarceration if convicted.
		The same type of conduct, abductions, sexual abuse, unlawful imprisonments, assaults, but for the fact that the perpetrators were described as non-human.
		That's the only difference between a report that you give to the police that winds up on trial or this type of report.
		The only difference was in the description of the perpetrator.
		Now, of course, there were other differences, such as the act itself had a little high strangeness and so forth and so on.
		But basically, they kept on coming in.
		And we used to hear about these reports since Betty and Barney Hill's report.
		And they haven't gone away.
		And it's generational.
		And it seems to transcend time even.
		So how long do we have to ignore this?
		And so after receiving these reports, I just decided, well, let me see if somehow I can bring a class action on behalf of all the abductees and we'll sue the federal government.
		but i couldn't think of any basis of the federal government being responsible even if aliens were abducting uh...
		people uh...
		and a class action uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's the part that I'm not comfortable with.
		I mean, let's go back to what's happened tonight.
		Maybe a Russian booster re-entered.
		Maybe not.
		Who the hell knows?
		That's what we're saying.
		Some media is beginning to say that it was a Russian booster.
		I said, what choice do we have but to believe them?
		And I stand by that in a way.
		In other words, it might not be that, and or it might be that, but we only have one source of information.
		And if that one source of information doesn't want to cough up the truth, how do we force them to do it, Peter?
		I just, I don't think we can do it in court.
		I don't see how.
		You have to explain to me how this process really is going to break through a barrier they don't want broken.
unidentified		Well, by getting public attention, by getting the citizens of this country to stand up for their rights and the rights to be told the truth and a right not to be lied to.
		And we have the resources.
		We have the technology.
		We don't have to depend on anybody else.
		But unfortunately, the resources aren't directed in the right avenues.
		We could collect so much evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're coming at this very broadly.
		Article 4, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution that requires the federal government to protect each and every one of the 50 states against invasion.
		Right.
		Now, you have to establish, I guess, to move forward, that we are, in fact, being invaded.
unidentified		That's the easiest part of it.
		The most difficult part is staying around to prove that.
		Because basically, I'm not even sure cause has standing.
		Because you have to remember that the Constitution gives the federal government, actually gives the states the right to ask for federal intervention.
		Nowhere does it say that the people have the right.
		So if the governor of, say, Arizona doesn't ask for that, I'm not sure that the people can then go in.
		It's possible that the only remedy might be to elect another governor who promises to do that.
		It might be a political question and not a judicial question.
		So the problem is whether a cause has standing to be in court in the first place.
		See, that's the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's your best guess?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How that would rule?
unidentified		Well, they're going to try to knock it out because of that.
		And the only thing I can do is cite a similar type of right with shareholders in the corporation.
		In other words, the corporation being the state and the shareholders being the citizens.
		Now, if the board of directors, in other words, the governor, refuses to take action where action is due, the shareholders of the corporation have a right called a derivative right that allows them to bring the action in the name of the corporation.
		So I'm just going to cite that law and hopefully it gets the judge to say, okay, I just want to say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that a legal long shot?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, definitely.
		The whole lawsuit is a legal long shot.
		I took Dick's advice and I thought creatively, and basically, I took a risk because I could be probably criticized for bringing this type of Case in court, but I'd rather take a risk than not do anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could they come back after you with Rule 11?
unidentified		Which is what, sanctions?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, in other words, frivolous.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, of course.
		But then again, I'm almost hoping they do that because if they do that, then I can appeal that decision, and maybe then I can show it's not frivolous because I can show there's an evasion.
		You see, the point is, if there's an evasion, then it's not frivolous.
		But I might not be able to get to argue that unless they cite me and dismiss it because it's frivolous and fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you were right now required to show that there, in fact, is an invasion and therefore your lawsuit is not frivolous, if they began to require that, what would be your proffering?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you offer?
unidentified		Well, the main cases, I would think, is the evidence surrounding the crash that occurred in 1947 in Paradise Valley, Arizona.
		You got Travis Walton's abduction.
		You have the Phoenix Lights.
		And you have the various other sightings in Arizona.
		Now, of course, within that, you have the two aspects.
		Number one, it's the abduction.
		Number two, it's these unusual objects that are being seen in the skies almost on a monthly basis in Arizona.
		A couple weeks ago, they saw the triangles again.
		Arizona is a very interesting state as far as sightings are concerned.
		So I can show that there are strange, unusual, what appear to be advanced, technologically advanced objects flying in the skies that haven't been identified, the triangles.
		We have orbs coming into people's bedrooms and being scanned.
		We have abductee reports.
		Very unusual instances of contact in different forms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that eyewitness testimony, first-person testimony, would be sufficient to prove the case?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, without physical hard evidence?
unidentified		Well, there's two aspects.
		Number one, I have to make out a prima facie case so it isn't dismissed as a matter of law, but I don't think that's a problem.
		It's a question for the jury, like anything else.
		Credibility is a question for the jury.
		If they believe the witnesses, then they believe the witnesses.
		But that's just not eyewitness testimony.
		You have expert testimony.
		You have some leading UFO researchers in this field that would be qualified as an expert in a federal court, whether it's Dave Jacobs, whether it's Bud Hopkins.
		I'm just naming a few without getting into their testimony, whether it's John Mack, whether it's some of the people, even some of the support groups, the people that put together and sponsor and lead the support, upduct the support groups, would, based on their practical experience, be able to come in and testify as an expert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suppose I were to tell you that I know from private knowledge that a couple of extremely high-level senatorial level representatives are aware of the situation and find it politically impossible to come forward.
unidentified		Well, of course.
		There's such a close secrecy surrounding this.
		I filed this lawsuit today.
		Steve Bassett, Larry Bryant, some of the CORS members that are actually directly working with me, we all sent out press releases.
		Matter of fact, I paid $250 today to an internet group to send out press releases just to make sure we covered all the bases between Bassett and Bryant and myself.
		And I even asked CORS members who can download the press release on the website to send it to their local radio and TV stations and newspapers.
		So we sent out thousands and thousands of notices.
		There's even an AP and UPI reporter that's assigned to the federal court.
		One radio station called.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One radio station.
unidentified		One radio station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will come back to all of this, but there's a couple of things I really, really want to get on the air tonight.
		One is your new website, which we have linked from my website, of course.
		But it's a major new website just put together with the help of the genius of websites, and that's Keith Rowland, my webmaster.
		And he's put a website together for you.
		What do you think of it, Peter?
unidentified		What do I think of it?
		I'm amazed.
		I'll tell you, it's been a really bad day, except for Keith.
		Keith is a wizard.
		A web wizard.
		He is unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		He is the best, actually.
		And so it's all together.
		And what is the website address?
unidentified		It's www.caus.org.
unidentified		And if you want to see a website that has information on it, pages and pages of information on it, whether it's personal contact experiences, whether it's the court cases, whether it's crap circles, whether it's UFO sightings, whether it's Paranormal News Network, or whether it's The Ultimate Secret or Non-UFO Sunday, you've got to go to this website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's all on that website as of tonight, right?
unidentified		Take you at least six months to read everything.
		It's all there.
		Thanks for Keith.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wonderful.
		Now, number two, you have a cause email newsletter, I guess, sort of a letter that comes out on a daily basis.
		And by the way, some idiot unsubscribed me again.
		So do me a favor and subscribe me once again, please, and put a pick lock on it so no fool can unsubscribe me because that's what they're doing.
unidentified		Probably Keith can do that.
unidentified		Keith is probably listening now, so you're already subscribed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Somehow, yeah, he can do it.
		You're right.
		Keith can do that.
		For everybody else who would like to receive it, it's free, folks.
		Free.
		And it comes to you once every day with all the latest of what's going on from Peter Gerson.
		And they can go to your website and sign up for that.
		Isn't that correct?
unidentified		That is definitely correct.
		And we changed the newsletter around a little bit because now we stress the website.
		What the newsletter does, gives you the highlights of what's on the website.
		So you even get in your mailbox information about subjects that either you like or don't like.
		So you can go to the website and read just what you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		So everybody should go to that website first and sign up for the daily headlines.
		We'll be right back.
		northern Arizona suffered a power outage at about the same time I did, as well as at about 9:30, when these objects were seen.
		Some media sources are reporting these objects as re-entering Russian booster parts that they thought would re-enter over the Pacific a couple of days from now, but surprise, surprise.
		And just one little note.
		You may recall hearing recently that the Mir space station was abandoned, and they say they think they will bring that down over the Pacific when the time comes.
		But if you buy the Russian space parts business, then think about this.
		If they thought these parts would come down in the Pacific and they didn't, then why are do we believe, how should we believe that Mir will come down over the Pacific and not over land?
		In other words, if they can be wrong about this, they can be wrong about that.
		Or would it be some kind of controlled re-entry?
		But as far as I know, they have simply abandoned Mirror without ability to control its re-entry.
		I could be wrong about that.
		There's more news about the object tonight.
		Once again, from Seattle, Washington, here's Peter Davenport.
		Peter.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Art, the parts are beginning to fall into place here, and we've had three quick reports that strongly militate against the Russian booster theory.
		Just in rapid sequence, we took a call from the vicinity of Elsinore, Utah.
		A man and his wife were returning from a bow and arrow hunting session, and they had a group of lights come at them from the north, and they were acting very strangely.
		One went over a ridge.
		They saw an immense flash, and the thing hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where was this, please?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		This was in the vicinity of Elsinore, Utah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They said that it was about two hours north of Las Vegas, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they've got impact.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, now I have about a minute cut of this gentleman reporting this.
		However, about 10 to 12 minutes ago, they were out smoking, and one of the objects came over and did a U-turn and went streaking off.
		I don't think we're talking about re-entering Russian booster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let me hear it.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Let me play the cut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, please.
unidentified		We were coming back from the Deer Hunt to the Dartery Hunt season, her brother's hunting, and we were coming back home, and we seen, we thought it was a truck behind us because it was going up over a hill, and we thought a truck was behind us, and I turned to look behind, and there was just lights, you know, coming in a certain direction, but there was just like so many lights you couldn't even see because you're in Utah?
unidentified		I'm in Utah, yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And what direction were the lights coming from?
unidentified		Let's see, which way were they coming from?
		We were going.
		I couldn't tell you because the roads turn and we couldn't tell.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		So what did the lights do and how did they act when you saw them?
unidentified		When we were driving down the road, there was this little ravine that just drops down like a big drop-off.
		And we just seen all these lights, there was just a big glow.
		And then finally, when they started to break up, you could tell, you could tell that there were single lights.
		You could tell that there was just like more than one light because it just wasn't a big light.
		And two, I don't know if there was two or three, we couldn't tell from the glare of my windshield, just went to the west, like over our truck and went down a hill, and then one just shot and did like a U-turn type thing over the hill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A U-turn.
unidentified		And then we heard a big bang or a big hit or just like a sonic boom type thing hitting the mountain up here.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It did a U-turn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A U-turn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then an impact.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And it was going to the west.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, I wonder what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's no Russian booster.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		No, it's getting...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We just took a report from a young woman in the Portland area who reported that at 9.30, she and her neighbors heard jet aircraft circling the area and landing at Port, I guess, Portland International Airport.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They saw F-15s flying at slow speed that apparently landed there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Now, in addition to that, we just took a report not 10 minutes ago from a gentleman who lives in the vicinity of Portland, Oregon, and they were monitoring military frequencies with their scanners, he reports.
		And he said that as late as midnight tonight, they were launching aircraft out of that area, and they were trying to get aircraft, he reported to me, launched out of Kingsley Field.
		Really?
		Don't know where that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kingsley Field.
		Somebody will tell us.
		Yeah.
		All right.
		You have another cut.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Lo-fine F-15s going very slowly.
unidentified		We assumed they were heading back to the Portland airport.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		So you are sure you saw F-15s or heard F-15s tonight over Portland?
unidentified		Yes, it brought me and my Cross-Street neighbor to the door to see what was going on.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We've never seen them that low.
		Okay.
		So F-15s over Portland tonight at about 9.30 or afterwards.
		And again, just to reiterate, Art, we have an unconfirmed report that the military was attempting to launch F-15s as late as midnight tonight.
		Now, two and a half hours for Russia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Pacific time?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is Pacific time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So 9.30, the main event occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And as late as midnight, they were trying to get F-15s off the ground.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Off the ground.
		And as recently as 20 minutes ago, this couple in Elsinore, Utah saw objects go streaking over their heads.
		So this clearly, if we can believe these reports, of course, eyewitness reports are not terribly reliable, but my impression is we're dealing with very reliable people, more or less reliable people from what I can tell.
		And they're reporting that the incident apparently is continuing some roughly three and a half hours after it began.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that makes no sense at all.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		So your power outages there may not be an accident.
		I don't know what's going on, but as I say, the pieces begin to fall into place here.
		And if the incident was continuing as recently as 20 minutes ago, this is not a Russian booster re-entering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Peter, as always, listen, you may not be done for the night.
		So are you all done now?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
		I'm going to be up until.
		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, are you done with respect to the cuts you wanted to play for us?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then I'm going to release you back to the world of taking reports.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you can get back to me before 2 a.m., you know the private number.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I do indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be here.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And I encourage anybody who's up in the western United States to go outside and see what they can see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right, Peter.
		Thank you.
		So something obviously ongoing, ladies and gentlemen.
		That was Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington.
		Quite a night for you to be with us, huh, Peter?
unidentified		Definitely.
		And it's definitely cause for concern.
		It's a major event that should be investigated thoroughly.
		But you know what's going to happen tomorrow.
		It's going to be explained away.
		There's a Russian booster, and that's going to be it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are they going to explain U-turns?
unidentified		Well, they can't explain it.
		They don't try to explain it.
		All they need is a cover story.
		Cover story, Russian boosters.
		People that don't believe in UFOs will believe Russian boosters, and the people that are familiar with what's going on in the skies will know that it's something other than a Russian booster.
		And everybody go back to work 9 o'clock in the morning, come home 5 o'clock in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An explosion, impact.
		Wouldn't we expect to see some military teams out?
		And even at this hour, they've still got jets up.
		Now, that doesn't make sense.
		If they have positively identified this as a Russian booster re-entering, they're sure not going to waste the fuel having F-15s up even right now.
unidentified		It's a cover story.
		It's very easy to prove whether, in fact, they expected a Russian booster to be coming down.
		There must be a record of that.
		So that can be checked into to see if something came down two days early, or at least, you know, could have come down two days early.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Peter, hold it where you are.
		And what I'm going to ask is, I'm going to take a quick break here.
		If any of you are eyewitnesses to what occurred tonight, would you please call me?
		Would everybody else please hang up?
		If you were an eyewitness to what occurred tonight or what may even still be going on at this hour, then I would like you to call me.
		But would everybody else please hang up and stop trying to call?
		So we'll take information with respect only to this incident and any calls you might have for Peter as well.
		Interesting night, huh, folks?
		How would you like to look in?
		Job has been many things, but never boring.
		Now we're beginning to get some reports that would seem to dispute the possibility that it was a Russian rocket re-entering.
		We have with us Peter Gerston, who's trying to fight his way through to the truth legally.
		And you can join in that battle, folks, by going up to my website right now and go over to the cause website and do two things.
		One, observe the incredible work of my webmaster, Keith Rowland, who has put all of this together for you and for Peter Gersten.
		It's just its big debut is tonight.
		You can sign up for the daily newsletter as well, which will tell you roughly what's going to be on that site at any given time or on any given day.
		Let me bring Peter back.
		Peter, are you there?
unidentified		I'm still here, Rod.
unidentified		I wouldn't miss it for the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Interesting night.
		Let's take a couple of reports just for grins and see what we have out there.
		On the first time, caller line, you're on the air.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		This is Chad in Portland, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chad in Portland.
		All right.
		What did you see, if anything?
unidentified		Actually, I didn't see the incident itself, but I worked 300 feet from the end of the runway, and they've been launching F-15s like crazy out here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, I started working about 9.30 tonight, and at 9.20, I was on my way to work, and I stopped right at the end of the runway and just watched about 11 of them coming in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		11?
unidentified		Yeah, and they've been launching and landing all night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, isn't that interesting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say that was about 9.20?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever it was that came in came in at 9.30.
		I think we have reasonably established.
		That sounds like they might have known ahead of time what was about to happen.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm not sure what it is, but I work at the post office and we're right at the end of the runway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and you normally would not get this kind of traffic at this time of the morning.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Normally they do morning type runs about 6 o'clock in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your report.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Military traffic.
		Wildcard line, you're on here with Peter Gerston and Art Bell.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Dan in Idaho Falls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Idaho Falls, Idaho.
unidentified		I represent the Galactic Federation, and they put on a show tonight in the sky just to enhance this call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think so?
unidentified		I have a message to tell the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then tell it quick.
unidentified		The King of Terror arrived on July 5th.
unidentified		Jupiter and Saturn ignited and became stars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They did not.
unidentified		You can verify that by looking in your sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		You've got the Redshift program.
unidentified		All right, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you don't need Redshift to verify that those planets became stars.
		Thank you very much.
		West of the Rockies, you're out there with Peter Gerston and Art Bell, who are not members of the Galactic Federation.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		I'm calling from Tucson, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		My son's a truck driver who just got in tonight, and he called his dad between 11 and 11.30 and said he thought he saw a UFO.
		He said it was a string of lights.
		At first, he just kind of thought it was a military formation and wasn't paying any attention to it, and it was doing something else.
		And he looked back and saw they were still there.
		It was moving very slowly.
		And when they seemed to get closer, he could tell it was separate lights.
		That was in Tucson, and he called here between 11 and 11.30 tonight.
		It says it was just before then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was seen in Arizona then.
unidentified		That's what my son said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		He didn't even know your show was on.
unidentified		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I appreciate your call.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		All right, bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye.
		All right.
		There you are, Peter.
		So, you know, right now, when you consider everything that we've heard, what the press is saying, what Peter Davenport is saying, and what my witnesses are saying, like the fellow who has listened to These F-15s screaming over his head.
		It could go either way, couldn't it?
		It could be.
		Actually, from what I've heard so far, in my mind, but maybe that's because of me, I tend more toward believing that we're being told a load of you know what here.
unidentified		Well, that seems obvious.
unidentified		And a witness on the stand, if the witness is caught lying, the judge will instruct the jury when it gives its instructions on the law that if they believe that the witness lied on the stand, they can disregard the witness's entire testimony, even if they don't know whether he lied about the entire testimony, if they find he lied about one particular thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, in any sort of trial, that generally would be true if a witness is a proven liar on the stand, then their entire testimony can be disregarded.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does not have to be, but can be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
unidentified		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		So basically, we have evidence that the POWs and authority have lied to us before on many occasions.
		So there is no reason for us to believe they're telling us the truth when they tell us it's a rocket booster, especially when there's evidence to the contrary.
		And we have eyewitness testimony to the contrary from different people in different parts of the country, whether it's U-turns, whether it's maneuverability, whether it's leaving the main group and doing something else, whether it's floating.
		The evidence is overwhelming.
		It's a major event that we're listening to that's taking place now over how many, three, four, five states, over a three-hour period of time involving the scrambling of military jets, possible power blackouts.
		This is a major event.
		This should be on the front pages of every single newspaper tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if it will be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somehow I doubt it.
unidentified		I doubt it too, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somehow I doubt it.
		But I bet there will be some coverage.
		There has to be some coverage of all of this.
unidentified		I would think so.
unidentified		This is bigger than the Phoenix Lights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if it's bigger, but it's as big as so far, and we've really only just begun.
		You know, when you have this kind of event, the stories you hear in the beginning are usually not all that trustworthy.
		But, you know, all these witness reports have been pretty consistent with regard to direction.
		They've been differing a little bit in the behavior of the objects, but that may be dependent on where you were when they did what they did.
		I just, somehow we've got to figure a way, and you're the only guy I know of trying to dry this information from their hands.
unidentified		You know what's interesting also, you say that the early reports might not be reliable.
		You know what hearsay is?
		You can't go into court and testify to what you heard somebody else say?
		There are certain exceptions.
		One of the exceptions is the spontaneous declaration.
		And basically, if you hear somebody say something that's close to the act they're reporting, then that seems to be more reliable than later on.
		In other words, it's more spontaneous.
		They're telling you what they just experienced rather than weeks later when their memories fade.
		So I would think the initial reports to a certain extent are reliable, possibly more reliable than a couple reports a week or two after the event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's something for you to think about, because I'm thinking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I had not been prepared with significant emergency power backup, the event that just occurred would not have been reported on my show because there wouldn't have been a show.
unidentified		It's amazing how the universe works.
		I think that this event is intentional.
		Whatever these objects are, whatever this intelligence is, is very deliberate in what it does.
		Usually at night, and they put on a show tonight.
		This is a show for us, for the listeners that are listening.
		This is a message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, a lot of people that I talk to, Peter, well, highly placed people, are telling me the same thing, that whoever they are and whatever they are, what they have been doing is demonstrating to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's just about what you just said.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt about it.
unidentified		They're in control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold tight.
		We're the bottom of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
		And again, let me restrict the lines out there to people who saw something.
		If we could, please.
		Once again, Peter Davenport.com is online.
		You can influence the music you hear on the radios.
		Absolutely.com.
		Actually, that sounds pretty interesting, and so does what Peter Davenport has to say.
		I was so much in a hurry to get on the air, I didn't even see RateTheMusic.com coming.
		I'm telling you, folks, it's getting weirder by the minute.
		Peter Davenport, once again.
		Peter?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		We've had a number of very interesting reports.
		Just in very rapid sequence, a commercial pilot over Northern California flying out of Beale Air Force Base, he was at about 16,000 feet doing about 200 knots, and the objects were directly in front of him.
		He turned his lights down.
		They went over him.
		He actually turned his aircraft to pursue them.
		He reports that as they were going away from him, they were much more difficult to see.
		I have no explanation for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let's backtrack a little bit.
		This is an important report.
		You got a report from a pilot, a commercial airliner pilot, I take it.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		He's a commercial pilot.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I think he was in a private aircraft, single-engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he was at 16,000 feet?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they went right in front of his aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, isn't that generally pretty high for a private aircraft?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Oh, not really.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Not for some of the high-performance ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It's probably a pressurized aircraft.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said they were roughly at his altitude?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		No, they were above his altitude.
		He was at 16,000.
		How high above him, he doesn't know.
		But we also have a very interesting report from a gentleman in Everett, Washington, just north of Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		He's a ham operator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter, I'm going to give you a second to put On your call, yeah, one second, and I'll come right back to you.
		All right, go ahead.
		He's got obvious calls coming in there by the Godzillion, so he's going to try to make an adjustment and come back to us so that that will not interrupt the reports.
		Obviously, thousands of people at once are trying to get through.
		And I think that what he's done is probably...
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		All right.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		If you can hold just a second, I'll come right back to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's got to hit a couple of things.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It's madness here tonight.
		Everybody's trying to get in touch with me all at once.
		Also, a ham radio operator reports a very peculiar signal at 14.290 megahertz heard in Everett, Washington with a strange pinging sound on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		14,290?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		14,290 megahertz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's in the ham.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		He said he's never heard it before.
		I have no idea the validity of this report.
		A third interesting report comes from a gentleman who lives off the end of Kingsley Field.
		Apparently, that is a field I'm not familiar with it down in the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on one second.
		Okay, that's 14,290 I'm listening to right now.
		And it's essentially quiet.
		So I just wanted to let you know.
		All right, go ahead.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		A gentleman who lives very close to Kingsley Field said that he has heard no activity out of there tonight.
		Also, I just received a call from Gerald Rowls, the state director for MUFON in the state of Washington.
		He contacted some of his military friends in eastern Washington.
		Apparently, no activity there.
		However, I have an audio cut here that I'd like to play.
		This comes from a young girl in Richfield, Utah, if I have this tape properly cued.
		She saw a distinct ball of light come across the mountain, viewed from her vantage point in Richfield.
		It stopped, visibly stopped for an estimated two to three seconds, and then blew into four parts, which went streaking off across the horizon, according to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It stopped.
		It stopped.
		And this was at about what time, please?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the time.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Information's coming in here pretty quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Fast jets.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is a gentleman in Utah who's reporting jet activity near Elsinore, Utah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		This is 10 minutes ago.
unidentified		Here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		You can tell that they're jets and they have little flashing lights on them.
		There's about three or four of them in the area that we were in.
		They're just like all over the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They're all over the air near Elsinore, Utah, he reports.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		So I believe if we can believe these preliminary reports that we're dealing with something other than just a simple re-entry of space junk, there are too many reports of objects stopping, turning, doing U-turns, and so on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have the young ladies' tape?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've lost that.
		Thank you.
		I understand.
		It's an utter madhouse.
		Utter madhouse, I can imagine.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I've got a stack of papers and tapes here, and it's just piling up on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Peter.
		All right.
		Bless your heart.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I thought you'd like to know, and if anything major happens, I'll get back in touch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		That's Peter Davenport at the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington.
		Peter Gerston is still with us, sort of along for the ride tonight.
		He was here to debut his website, which is incredible and, I might add, timely considering what's going on right now.
		And he's still with us.
		Thanks for your forbearance, Peter.
unidentified		No problem, my friend.
		This is great.
		This almost sounds like the Austin Wells broadcast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is a little like that, isn't it?
		All right.
		A first-time caller line.
		You're on the air with Art Bell and Peter Gerston.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Art Bell son?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is Art Bell.
unidentified		Art Bell son.
		This is Sally.
		I'm calling from Sonoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Sally.
unidentified		I don't know what's more exciting that I'm getting to talk to you or what I saw tonight for the first time in my life.
unidentified		I'm still shaking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, tell us what you saw.
unidentified		All right.
		I went to visit my girlfriend who lives in Marinwood.
		That's North Marin County, about approximately 20 to 30 miles north of San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And she has a beautiful house on the side of a hill, and we went out on the back deck because I'm an amateur astronomer and I spend most of my evenings looking up at the sky and listening to you.
		And I looked off to the north, something caught my eye, and it was heading in moving in an easterly direction.
		And I said, Jerry, look, what is that?
		And what we both saw were three objects.
		I had to just really concentrate.
		I thought, is some light moving on a cloud?
		But it was three formations moving to the east, perfectly in unison.
		It wasn't anything with blinking lights or flashing, just three.
		All I can describe it is like the shape of a tadpole, kind of round but with a long tail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Like a comet tail behind it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, I've got you.
unidentified		And there was one in the lead and two behind it, but just what struck us was how perfectly in unison they were moving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and how long were you able to see them?
unidentified		We replayed it back.
unidentified		We, you know, kind of had the mini recreation, and we counted out, I thought, for seven seconds, and she caught it for about the last five.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And it just disappeared.
		And we stood out there in shock, thinking, oh, we can't believe this.
		What's happening?
		What's happening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that about 9.30?
unidentified		It was 9.30 because I got to her house at 9 and we sit-chat for a while and ate some Snickers.
		And then we went out because I said, God, this is such a beautiful night.
		And she turned out all the lights in this enormous house she has and all the outside lights so it would get really dark.
		And then she told me what she saw, and it was exactly what I saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really, really appreciate your call.
unidentified		And I just want to say one more thing.
unidentified		When I was driving home, I was listening to you, and if I wasn't mistaken, I heard somebody call from Novato recording something, and that's probably just a mile from where she lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Sally.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, Sabina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say.
unidentified		Good night, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm out of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Peter Gerston and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi.
unidentified		What I saw, I'd just come out of a movie, so I was in the parking lot of the movie theater.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Redding, California.
		Right.
		And look up in the sky, and in the western sky, we saw three objects, one larger one in front, two smaller one behind, and it crossed all the way across the sky until we couldn't see it in the eastern sky.
		My friend, who was standing beside me, said he saw a part break off of the lead object.
		I did not see it, however, as there were many lights in the parking lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How bright was it?
unidentified		Well, it's very smoky where I am because there's many fires just like there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		But it was pretty bright.
unidentified		It was orange in color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long were you able to see it?
unidentified		To give you an idea of that, I had time to walk across the parking lot and ask another group of people if they saw the same thing and get back before it disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
unidentified		So it took quite a while to get across the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure appreciate your report, sir.
		Thank you.
		And let's take one more quick one.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the oath.
		Peter Gerston and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Dan from Clarkdale, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Dan.
unidentified		I'm listening to you on KAZM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Unfortunately, I didn't see any lights, but we did have a power outage in the whole Verde Valley area, which is about two hours north of Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you did?
unidentified		Yeah, and that includes the towns of Sedona and Camp Verde.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sedona, Camp Verde, and where I am.
		Now, that's really interesting.
		How long did it last?
unidentified		It lasted for approximately 20 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		20 minutes.
unidentified		And the lights went out at exactly 10.30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10.30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What time is it where you are now?
unidentified		Right now it's 10 till 2.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10 till 2.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same as, so we're in sync.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10.30.
unidentified		And there were occasional flashes of lightning in the sky.
unidentified		I didn't know if that had anything to do with it or not, but when I heard your show, I figured it was a little too coincidental.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a coincidental night, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so very much.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Peter, what a night for you to be on.
unidentified		Great night.
unidentified		I'd like to know what that commercial pilot saw when these things flew over his plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How high above him he estimated they would have been, how quickly they passed him to estimate speed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you notice Peter said that the commercial pilot said he actually turned to try and follow the objects.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that there was almost no light behind them.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Why would he turn to follow the objects?
		Even if he was in a private plane?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Curiosity, I suppose?
unidentified		Well, be an interesting person to talk to.
unidentified		If he's listening, let him call in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if he's listening, good luck on getting in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, all the lines are jammed.
unidentified		But there's a...
		Yeah, definitely.
		Definitely.
		Now, these objects are interesting, and I don't remember similar types of reports.
		Peter Davenport indicated that they are similar to other reports, but if these were flying triangles, there'd be no question that these weren't rocket boosters.
		So I don't know what these objects are, but they are definitely worth further inquiry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, everybody in the world says the same thing.
		And earlier we were talking about the fact that we believe they are demonstrating something to us.
		But everybody in the world says the same thing.
		Well, look, why go through this cat and mouse game of demonstrations of things over big cities and demonstrations like we've had tonight?
		Why do that?
		Why not just land and make your presence known?
		Say, hi, we're from the Galactic Federation and we're going to kill you all, or hi, we're going to save you all, or whatever it is.
		Why these obscure, wild demonstrations?
unidentified		Yeah, I think that's a great question.
		And possibly the answer is simple in that we have to demonstrate that we as a species want to know the truth.
		It's almost like a programming, a slow time release program of presence.
		And it's at night.
		Why not during the day?
		Why not make it obvious?
		It isn't obvious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, it's not obvious.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a slow indoctrination program until finally they get the mass of this life form, our species, to say we want to know.
		But as of now, we don't have that.
		As I said to you earlier, I got one phone call from a radio station in Chicago that wanted to know about the lawsuit.
		And basically, I was on for three minutes.
		What can you talk about in three minutes?
		Not much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If the media would like to contact you, Peter.
		There's a really good question as we approach the top of this hour.
		If the media would like to comment, get comments from you on the lawsuit and do a story, which they ought to do.
		I mean, it's a really interesting story.
		How would they do that?
unidentified		Well, the best way to do it is through the website.
		And on the website, they can contact me through email.
		I'd rather not give out my phone number because the last time I gave it out on your show, I started getting calls right away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wouldn't do that.
unidentified		I don't want to do that now that I live in Scottsdale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I wouldn't give it out.
unidentified		No, so basically, the best way to do it is through the website.
		But also, for the people that, your listeners that do not have access to the internet, they can subscribe to my offline newsletter called Cause and Effect, which is the highlights of what I write about online.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would they do that?
unidentified		Well, it's a monthly newsletter, and they can subscribe to it.
		They can get 12 monthly issues for $20.
		We have to charge for that because of the postage and the printing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Understood.
unidentified		And basically, all they have to do is write to CARS, C-A-U-S, at 8624 East San, S-A-N, Bruno, B-R-U-N-O Drive, Scottsdale, Arizona, 85258.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, do it again.
unidentified		That's CORS, C-A-U-S, 8624-EAS SAN BRUN DRIVE, SCOTTSDALE, Arizona, 85258.
unidentified		So whether you're online or offline, you can be kept aware of what CAUS is doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I didn't get the zip code.
unidentified		8-85258.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		258.
		All right.
		People write slow.
		It's CAUSE, C-A-U-S, 8624 East San Bruno Drive, Scottsdale, Arizona.
		Zip code 85258.
		All right, I wanted to get that before the hour ended.
		Peter, I always give my guests an opportunity to either stay over during the last hour of the program or to hit bed, their choice.
unidentified		No, we'll stay over.
unidentified		I just, I'm really curious about what's going on now, so anything that could shed some light onto it, I'm going to stay up and listen to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure we're going to continue to get reports, and I doubt all this is going to shake out until tomorrow.
		Now, it might be re-entering space junk from the Russians, but I don't know.
		Just about fully 50% of the reports that Peter's had tonight would dispute that, I think.
		And so it goes back to what you said.
		Why can't we call this an invasion?
		If it's not something that our military can tell us about, they're out there obviously chasing it, whatever it is.
		They can't tell us about it.
		And they declare they don't investigate these things, they say, because they are not a threat to national security.
		But how could they not be?
unidentified		The mere presence poses a threat.
		Otherwise, they wouldn't have scrambled jets.
		The reason they have to cover it up and come down with some kind of phony story shows that it must pose some kind of a threat.
		So the inherent quality of the phenomena poses a threat simply by the fact that we don't know what it is.
		So it's really strange, the reality that's going on here.
		In other words, we're told not only that it's Russian boosters, but it's not given the do that it should be.
		We're being kept in the dark.
		We're being kept in the secrecy.
		And it's possible that there's a news blackout on this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think we'll hear when we wake up tomorrow about what happened tonight?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I don't know what the universe has planned for us.
		Possibly something pretty interesting.
		You have to remember, the Phoenix Liance, even though that occurred on March 13th of 97, it really didn't get full publicity until, what, three, four, five months later when USA Today did a story, a front-page story on it.
		And then all of a sudden, you would think it happened yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Also, what's interesting is two weeks ago, or last week, all of a sudden, an English newspaper did a story on a CIA report that was released at least, I think, in 1997 also.
		And that was played up as if it was released the other day.
		So that got a lot of attention.
		So who knows what the media's reasons are for, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like somebody turns a switch out there and they decide it's time to tell the story.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
		And time doesn't matter.
		Time can be transcended.
		Reports from two years ago all of a sudden occurrent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter, hold on.
		We'll be right back from the high desert.
		This is Coast to Coast, AM.
		All right, my guests are Peter Gerston and Peter Davenport is back.
		I'm going to bring both of them up online and then read a couple of things to the two of them.
		Let's see if we can do this.
		Peter Gerston, are you there?
unidentified		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Mr. Davenport.
		I am still here, Arch.
		All right, I want to read a couple of things, get your reaction, gentlemen.
		And this is a supposed press release from the Public Relations Office of Edwards Air Force Base at California.
		It may be a hoax, but let me read it to you.
		Tonight, at about 2155 hours Pacific, aircraft from Edwards Air Force Base in California were scrambled in response to multiple radar images moving in a southerly direction from the central California area toward Edwards at plus Mach 5 speeds.
		Two USAF F-15 interceptors climbed to about 48,000 feet and did make radar contact but were unable to confirm visual contact due to deteriorating weather conditions.
		Two more aircraft were scrambled from Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada when it was determined that the radar images were moving south toward the Arizona-Mexico border.
		Two F-16 tactical fighters also climbed to intercept altitude at about 50,000 feet, but were unable to make either radar or visual contact.
		All aircraft have now returned to their respective bases of operation.
		That's one item.
		Next, Art, I'm a deputy sheriff in central Oregon.
		We got reports of an airplane going down in flames at, you guessed it, 2131 hours.
		My sergeant saw the same thing at the same time, described it to me in great detail, headed southeast, got real bright, a piece fell away, and then the main part continued on, but dimmer.
		He was outside looking up as it went out of sight.
		It was about the size of a satellite in a starry sky.
		That's the last image he saw.
		The first report, he says, said it took about 45 seconds to cross out of sight with the same heading, southeast.
		All right, I'm going back out to study the skies.
		And on and on and on it goes.
		Here's somebody reporting from, let me see, Seattle, no, Portland, saying indeed he too is observing F-15s scrambling.
		That was about 11.30 p.m.
		And here's something from my affiliate in Santa Cruz, KSEO, AM 1080 in Santa Cruz.
		It says local radio talk show host Dave Allen, the Nighthawk, has had his board go haywire shortly after 9.30 p.m.
		So as whatever it was passed overhead, the board, the operational board of our affiliate in Santa Cruz went berserk.
		And those are the reports I have.
		Peter, Davenport?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a pretty unusual Russian booster that can knock out somebody's board in Santa Cruz when the objects are over Northern California and Oregon and Utah and perhaps Arizona.
		I'm intrigued by the news release by Edwards Air Force Base.
		They're, for all intents and purposes, admitting that this was not a Soviet Russian rocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it's an accurate report.
		No.
		Somebody could have typed this up, obviously, and it may not be real.
		Somebody's going to have to check with Edwards and see if it's real.
		I just now got it.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting.
		One flaw I noticed in that report.
		It said the F-15s were at, what did you say, 45,000 or 50,000 feet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		48,000 feet.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		48,000 feet.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		But then it went on to say that weather was obscuring their view of these objects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the weather should not have been that high.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, weather can go that high in rare circumstances, but my impression is particularly given the weather conditions across the western United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't know what the ceiling is right now.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we don't know, but if somebody could report what the weather conditions are like near Edwards or in the environs down there, that would be a big help.
		Two things I can add to that, Art, if I may.
		Got a report about a half an hour ago from a gentleman who is sleeping in his truck at a major fueling center on I-5 in the vicinity of Portland International Airport.
		He says, I believe he said he used to serve on a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier.
		And he said what he saw, what he heard going out of Portland tonight took him back to his days on that aircraft carrier.
		He counted, I believe he said, seven sorties going out between 9.30 and 10.30 tonight.
		So if they were still launching F-15s out of Portland at 10.30, approximately, that's a long time for a Russian booster to be in the atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, besides, it's an awful lot of assets to commit to something that you now know what it is and have known for some time.
		Russian booster, right?
		Yeah, right.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I finally found this tape of this young girl reporting from Richfield, Utah, which is sort of south central Utah.
		It's only about 30 seconds long.
		May I play this?
		It's rather interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Here we are.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And a very bright, very distinguishable round ball of light came across the top of the mountain, stopped at the very top of the mountain for about two to three seconds, and then broke off into four different distinguishable lights and went up, down, straight across, and just like went in several different directions.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Went in several different directions.
		Now, if the Russians are building boosters like that, we've got real trouble on this planet because that is sophisticated technology.
		This is the next generation MRV warhead, I guess.
		But my impression at this time, and it's always subject to revision, of course, is that we're not dealing with a Russian booster.
		That is disinformation.
		And time will tell.
		We'll have to sort through all the reports.
		But it looks like something extremely bizarre happened over the western United States tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This night.
		Well, I'm glad you were here to cover it with me, Peter.
		We've got another 40 minutes of show left, so if anything else dramatic comes in, get right back to me.
		Will indeed, Art.
		My friend, thank you.
		And Peter Gerson, again, thank you for being so patient through all of this.
unidentified		No problem at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's exactly, of course, really why you're doing what you're doing, isn't it?
unidentified		Well, it's the major reason to find the truth, to end the secrecy.
unidentified		And I thought I was finished with the FOIA Freedom of Information Act, but I guess I'm not finished.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, yeah, I was about to ask that.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		But as a matter of fact, that's where I was going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, we know exactly when this occurred.
		We have multiple, multiple reports.
		The very least it seems we could do is to file FOIA reports about what they got on radar or didn't get, what they scrambled, what assets they put in the air, and for what reason, couldn't we?
unidentified		Well, I'm going to see Peter Davenport this weekend at the Bay Area UFO Expo in San Mateo, and I think we're going to sit down and coordinate this.
unidentified		And he's going to provide his reports, and we're going to submit certain FOA requests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter, in other words, could you make that specific request since you knew what time it was and you knew what assets were used, would they have to answer that?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Basically, I did a request for the Phoenix lights on behalf of Skywatch International, and they came back, they had no reports, that they hadn't scrambled any jets, and they had no information.
		So we're going to do the same thing, and either they can say the same thing, or they can tell us what the truth is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
		What do you think you'll get back?
		I mean, this is so damn public.
unidentified		Well, first, I think we have to find out whether this press release from Edwards Air Force Base is legitimate or not.
unidentified		I have my suspicions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have my doubts.
unidentified		Yeah, because just the admissions.
unidentified		How did you obtain this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was just facts to me.
unidentified		By an individual?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no facts returned other than a date.
		Let me see.
		I've got page 101, Wednesday, September 1st, 1999, 11.42.08 p.m.
		So that was some time ago.
		I don't know if it's real or not.
unidentified		It just doesn't sound real.
		It's too good to be true, but it's too early in the whole episode, in the whole scenario to be coming out.
		Why would Edwards Air Force Base release some kind of information at night, no less?
		It just doesn't make sense.
		And there are too many admissions in it.
		But it might be like some type of information that's being leaked in this format.
		Because whenever we get information like that, the messenger is always tainted.
		The question is whether the message is valid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of the rest of this, though, like the sheriff who just sent me a fax, is definitely legit.
		The report from my affiliate in Santa Cruz, AM1080, KSEO, that's definitely legit stuff.
		I've confirmed all this.
unidentified		Well, there's no question that something was being seen, and it seems to what from anywhere from three to seven different objects over many hours, over several states.
unidentified		I think it's amazing that there were coincidentally power blackouts and misfunctions, malfunctions of what, computers or switchboards, or whatever it was in Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know, jets were scrambled.
		In other words, you can separate each of these pieces.
		Well, the jets were on routine maneuvers, and the power blackouts had to do with something entirely different.
		And it was the Russian booster that came down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all of this was highly coincidental.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's just take some random phone calls now, Peter, and see what people have on their minds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Peter Gerson and Art Bell.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, this is John from Edwards Air Force Base.
unidentified		I used to be stationed out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, John.
unidentified		We have no alert aircraft out there.
		There are small experimental aircraft or chase planes.
		And you guys are talking about Portland, Oregon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		There's no alert aircraft.
		You're a zoo alert aircraft.
		This is at McFord Air Force Base.
		The only thing I can think of what's going on out there at Portland Air Force Base, or Portland, is they're having probably an ORI or something like that as they're doing their night training.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, have you heard anything about this massive sighting tonight?
unidentified		Yeah, I have.
		As far as the location of your alert aircraft or anything like that, that sounds bogus to me.
		What about the weather out here by Edwards Air Force Base?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's clear.
unidentified		It's smoky from the fires, but it's clear out here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, did you see any alert aircraft leave Edwards at about that time?
unidentified		No, not tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you in a truck?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I appreciate the report, sir.
		Thank you.
		So, hmm.
		He knew about the object sighting, but doesn't confirm any of the alert aircraft.
unidentified		It's just so confusing.
unidentified		There's so much disinformation and misinformation and secrecy that if anybody tells you they know what's really going on, I'd be very suspicious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really is hard to begin to discern what's reality and what's disinformation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, we live in a strange age of mass communication and miscommunication and intentional miscommunication.
unidentified		It's amazing.
unidentified		And tomorrow morning, we're going to get up and get tomorrow's newspaper, and you're going to see the same headlines that you do every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Clinton's buying a house in New York and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Peter Gerson and Art Bell High.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is Alan from Salem.
unidentified		Hello, Alan.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I just wanted to mention several months ago, my brother, who lives in Sacramento, his whole family were eating supper, and they saw a UFO in the north part of the sky.

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