Peter Davenport and Peter Gerston detail a June 1997 streaking UFO event across the western U.S.—Oregon, California, Nevada, Utah, Washington—with eyewitnesses reporting fiery objects performing unnatural maneuvers, splitting apart, and trailing sparks. Gerston’s lawsuit, citing the U.S. Constitution (Article 4, Section 4), clashes with DoD denials of "flying triangles," despite a 1997 federal meeting where officials admitted UFOs are real and controlled by non-human intelligence. Davenport’s reports—including military chases, commercial pilots tracking objects at 16,000 feet, and ham radio signals—contradict official claims of Russian space debris, suggesting deliberate, advanced activity. Gerston calls the explanations "disinformation," arguing secrecy endangers public rights to know about potential invasions, while Bell insists FOIA requests are critical to exposing military radar logs and aircraft movements. The episode underscores a persistent gap between eyewitness accounts and government transparency in UFO cases. [Automatically generated summary]
Again to report to you from Oregon, from California, from all over the West, people have observed something traversing our skies that took anywhere from a minute by witnesses to two minutes to cross our skies in a very fiery way, floating across.
It just I don't see how any meteor could take that long to cross our skies.
There's no way.
So about 10 seconds before I had to come back on the air, and I hope I made it, we got power back up again.
We're trying to gather ourselves together here, and I do think we're on the air, but something has occurred.
The power failure may be totally unrelated to the events in our skies.
We'll find out.
Peter Gerston is coming along in a few moments, assuming everything continues to tick along.
All right, once again, there are a series of events going on.
They're pretty weird right now.
We have had an event in our western skies with an object or objects, some saw many, traversing the sky for a very long period of time from west to east.
At the bottom of the hour, as soon as Peter Davenport has had the opportunity to gather the witnesses and record things for you, we're going to have a comprehensive report put together for you.
In the meantime, synchronistically, we had planned to have Peter Gerston on, and we are in fact going to have Peter Gerston on in a moment.
Peter Gerston is our nation's only UFO attorney.
And I hope all goes well.
Again, we're on emergency power here.
The entire valley in which I live has lost power for whatever reason.
It could be the fires in the San Bernardino Mountains.
I suppose that might have something to do with it.
But something major has gone down for some reason.
Hopefully not related to what happened in the skies.
I have no idea what's going on, so bear with me, everybody, and we'll make it through all this as best we can.
Peter Gerston, as I said, is our nation's only UFO attorney.
He is filing a major lawsuit.
He's got a brand new website up as of tonight.
As a matter of fact, Keith Rowland is the man, the genius behind the construction of this excellent website, which I can't get to right now because I've got my computers down.
This is going to be one of those nights, I can tell.
So let us go to Peter Gerston, but stand by because we will be getting a report shortly from Peter Davenport.
I had to light a cigarette lighter to get up to my short power pack to turn on an LED light in here so I could get enough light to stumble around to do the rest of what I had to do, get the generator going, and somehow I think we made it back almost on time.
It's amazing.
People have no idea how critical power is.
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This is an amazing day.
There's no question about it.
Everybody must be experiencing something in their own way.
Well, you know, this entry of whatever it is, is there any way, Peter, that you can imagine something, a fireball, so described, or several of them, could take a minute to two minutes to traverse?
I mean, I've seen meteors all my life.
We all have.
And I've even seen fireballs.
But nothing that could ever approach enough time for someone, for example, as I read in the first hour, to call his family outside and say, come here and look at this.
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You know what a depressing thought is?
That probably we're never going to get an explanation as to what this is.
There are things that have been flying in the sky for at least 50 years that no one has explained.
And after 50 years, don't you think we need an explanation?
And here's something else.
Do you think we're really going to find out what this is unless it decides to expose itself fully in the daylight?
Well, but, you know, the problem is, let me regress for a second.
You know, the principles cause was founded on.
Number one, it believes that we are in contact, the people on this planet are in contact with another form of intelligence.
The evidence is overwhelming.
Two, it is against all secrecy surrounding this, Whether it's the government, the military, UFO researchers, or the ETs themselves, it believes that we have an absolute right, an unconditional right, to know about contact another life form coming in contact with our species.
And Ford uses the judicial process to hopefully get at the truth.
And by using the judicial process, I can hopefully one day go into court and prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury, to the public, to a national audience, that we are in this contact.
Actually, the quote here, and I've got your quote, it says, according to Gerston, quote, cause has undeniable evidence of an ongoing clandestine invasion, end quote.
Yes?
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I believe so.
The same evidence that I've used in court for the 20 years I practiced criminal and civil law, I tried hundreds of cases, murder cases, major felonies, civil cases.
I've gotten large awards for plaintiffs in cases.
I've seen people, I prosecuted, and sent people away for life.
The same type of evidence that can incarcerate an individual or win a large award, million-dollar award in a civil suit, the same type of evidence I can use to prove we're in this contact.
Why is it being denied?
Why is it being ignored?
And one aspect of this contact seems to be a threat to our safety.
With regard to survival of the species, with all that is going wrong with the planet, you know, the environmental degradation we're suffering right now and all the rest of it.
They really think that somebody will come along from out there and save our butts.
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Yeah, as long as we look for somebody else to save us, it's never going to happen.
The only people that can save us is ourselves.
We have to take our power back and stop giving it away to some savior to help us with our problems.
But that's beside the point.
The bottom line seems to be is that, you know, with the lawsuit, which we will get into in a little while, the bottom line seems to be that when I talk about evidence of an invasion, of a threat, it's too scary.
Well, you know, Bob Bigelow's organization, NIDS, I think you know, did a survey.
And you may be exactly right, Peter.
In other words, the survey seemed to reveal that if contact were realized, you know, like SETI, for example, got a signal that was 50 light years out or something like that, people would accept it readily and fairly calmly.
On the other hand, if the evidence was suddenly thrown in front of their face, you know, like something landing on the south lawn of the White House or something Peter Gristen might come up with or pry from the hands of the government, it would not be accepted at all calmly.
And so you may be right about that.
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Well, that makes a lot of sense.
That's why what happened in Roswell is easier to digest than what's happening today in the skies.
But unfortunately, we have to deal with what's happening today.
And there's evidence of contact, and it's not through SETI.
It's right here with us now.
It's through personal contact experiences.
It's through crop circles.
It's through some of these objects that we see, possibly something that we are seeing actually tonight as we talk.
As a matter of fact, everybody that's listening to us should be outside watching the sky and reporting back to us on cell phones what's going on.
We should have instant replay on what's going on.
Now, with all due respect to both of us, I think what we're saying is important, but what's important is what's flying in the sky.
And everybody should be outside.
Wake the town.
Get everybody out of bed, outside, and watch what's going on and let us know what's going on.
Tomorrow morning, we can either get an explanation which we will accept or we will not.
The bottom line is, no matter what that is, whether it's a natural phenomenon, whether it's something that we should be aware of, we should be outside watching it.
So if it turns out to be a natural phenomenon, so what?
So the next time we go watch something out, because we can't rely on the government, we can't rely on the people in authority to tell us what's flying in our own skies.
We have to go out and find out ourselves, and we have to bring lawsuits, and we have to write the media and tell them, listen, you've got to cover this.
Well, I filed a lawsuit today under Article 4, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution, which requires the federal government to protect the states against invasion.
The bottom line is that I think the evidence has to be brought to the attention of the species.
It has to be covered by the media.
It has to be treated seriously.
It has to be treated professionally.
There's evidence here.
So on the idea that how best to get the media's attention without going under the Freedom of Information Act, because that has become totally impotent.
As a matter of fact, one of the reasons of the frustration today is because the court denied my request to subpoena Greer And Davenport.
On the basis is that I did not supply enough basis, enough probable cause to believe that their information would help or would enable the Department of Defense to find the documents that I'm looking for.
In other words, I didn't say, well, I want to subpoena them because they know where the information is or they have sources that know where the information is.
Unfortunately, I don't know what any of the sources Dr. Greer has, so I can't.
Peter Davenport, on the other hand, was to some degree cooperative because I asked him on the air and he said, look, I've already said if I'm subpoenaed, I will tell what I know.
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Well, that's a catch-22, if only if he's subpoenaed, which means that under certain circumstances, he would come forward and tell us what I think is significant information.
But unless he's subpoenaed, he's not going to come forward.
Yeah, but if you can go down another highway and develop the same information because you know what the destination is, then information is power, right?
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Well, I would consider it.
In other words, if the only thing I didn't have to do is reveal the actual information learned from this people, these people, but any leads that I got or any other sources, that I was on my own.
I don't know what's happened, but we're about to find out.
Peter Davenport is about to be on the line with me.
And I, of course, began receiving reports, which I read to you in the first hour, of something major in our skies crossing west to east and seen in Oregon and California, and who knows where else, probably here in Nevada as well.
I was on the air, or actually not on the air, but just prior to going on the air, so I missed it.
And then our entire valley is now out of power.
You are hearing me right now, courtesy of an 11.5 kilowatt generator operating on propane.
And I just walked outside and looked to both sides of our valley, and it is utterly dark.
All power in the Perump Valley is off everywhere.
It's absolutely eerie out there.
I mean, really eerie.
You can see a few neighbors who have got candles flickering, but other than that, close in, there's nothing out there, folks.
It's deader than a doornail here, and we're on emergency power as I speak to you.
So, Peter Gerston is my main guest.
Peter Davenport is coming up in a moment because something's going on out there.
Something big.
Pornography on the internet is serious.
Moon coming up.
I'm telling you, it is a weird night.
It's a blood-red moon coming up out there Over a smoky valley.
There's a lot of smoke and absolutely no light at all.
All power in our valley is off.
And something streaked across our western skies going west to east here at the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington, where I bet the phones have been going absolutely berserk, is Peter Davenport.
I just walked through the door about an hour ago and was confronted by a full answering service stacked up with messages to the ceiling.
I've gone through those messages very briefly.
I have a few cuts here, but in brief summary, it appears that something has happened from as far north as Oregon in the vicinity of Eugene, the objects we're seeing.
We're talking about multiple objects.
It appears, this is all based on preliminary data, of course, but it appears as though we're dealing with more than one group of objects.
Apparently, a large group of objects, I'm estimating seven in number, they were visible to most observers on the ground long enough for them to be able to count the objects, very large in size, went from approximately northwest to southeast, the full length of California.
In addition to that, we have reports from Nevado, California, just north of San Francisco, of course.
People saw an object come in from the west and then split into three parts and proceed to the east.
How many groups of objects we're dealing with at this point, we don't know, but it appears to me at this early stage that at least two distinct clusters of objects.
We just got a call from NBC News in Chico, California.
They confirm that they've taken a number of reports there.
And a very interesting report from Portland, Oregon, some witnesses on the ground there report that what they think were military aircraft went at a blistering pace headed south probably on an afterburner.
And to verify that, I mean, people, you know, they're almost in shock, but here's a man in Reading, California, who had time to go out and actually invite his family to come out and see it occurring.
Now, no matter what you think of eyewitness testimony, if he had that much time, I mean, that's just not possible.
I think mother and four children were able to see the objects, and they counted them.
Let's just go to the cut.
Here we go.
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It's Wednesday night at 9.34, and my boys and I were just outside and saw a group of glittery-tailed UFOs going from northwest to southeast across from horizon to horizon.
They were visible for probably a minute, a minute and a half.
There was a large group in the front and several following, one of which changed its course in order to get into a better line.
That was the incident that caused the Air Force out of Cheyenne Mountain to declare that it was a proton, Russian proton booster flying from east to west, interestingly, that plunked down in the Pacific.
It's going to be very interesting to see what their statement is about this incident.
My sense of it, based on now about 15 messages I've listened to, is that we're dealing with something major and it is not meteor.
And there's been some very complex maneuvering of these objects to take place.
And again, they've been seen by as far north as Eugene, perhaps even Salem, Oregon on I-5 by a trucker.
But just prior to the hour actually coming back, 10 seconds, literally before I was due to come back from the news, all power went off in the valley, and we had to scramble and get the generator on.
Would it be possible, and you probably haven't had time to do this yet, but if you had pretty good time hacks on when these objects were seen from Oregon and when they were seen in California, you might be able to estimate the speed of the objects.
All right, since I'm, again, folks, please, since I am not able to access the internet at the moment, if you would be so kind as to, if you saw the objects and or you have lost power, please contact Keith Rowland.
That would be webmaster at artbell.com, and we'll try and get some of that information together as we move into the next hour.
And I have a cut here from, I think it's from Napa, that suggests that the witnesses there saw large objects and small objects, suggesting that perhaps the latter were at higher altitude by the time they'd gotten down to Napa.
So let me go to that cut, if I may, Art, and let's hear what this gentleman has to say.
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Here in Napa, and we just saw a weird sighting.
It was a single red light shooting across the sky at semi-to-rapid speed.
It was lateral.
There wasn't falling at all.
And then immediately it shot at three different pieces.
One shooting upward, one shooting straight, one shooting downward.
I think it is possible in theory for space junk to do that.
For example, when the space shuttle comes back, it's usually in the atmosphere burning bright probably for five, maybe as much as ten minutes.
However, the objects are reported to be maneuvering, and people see the, again, the sparks are coming off the tails of these objects, not off the noses.
When an object comes back from space or comes in from space at high speed, it is the nose of the object, obviously, which heats up.
Everybody is emphasizing that very beautiful trails of sparks are trailing off the trailing edge, the aft end of these objects.
And again, the objects, according to many reports, are seen by the witnesses to be maneuvering in some kind of complex fashion.
Well, very, very strange occurrences here in the West tonight, folks.
Something streaked across our skies, something big, something that had several portions, something that maneuvered.
That's what we've got so far.
We'll be right back from the high desert.
This is Coast to Coast AF.
What a night.
Good morning, everybody.
We are monitoring several stories going on here.
Obviously, a large object or objects have re-entered the atmosphere.
And I say re-entered because I'm beginning to get some reports that some news media is saying that it was a Russian booster rocket that the scientists thought would come down over the Pacific, but has re-entered early, unexpectedly, obviously causing a pretty big commotion.
Now, whether or not that's an accurate story, I have no way of knowing.
I also have a second story, both of these from Keith Rowland, who is able to receive email and relay it to me by telephone.
We are in contact.
That power went out in parts of northern Arizona at, get this, 9.30, the same time as the Russian booster, if that's what it was, was seen to be re-entering.
Now, why chase planes would be going after a re-entering Russian booster, I don't know.
And whether that is an accurate story or not, I don't know.
But I report it to you as I have received it.
Several people have said that various news organizations have reported that what we have seen is some sort of Russian booster that has re-entered.
Back now to Peter Davenport at the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.
That's a very interesting bit of information, and indeed in the final analysis, it may be an accurate report.
I'm trying to get to a map of California to look at where places like Chico is relative to Novato.
We heard that gentleman describe how an object came in from the west and split into three pieces.
Also, one thing I wanted to add are during the break, I was going through some of my hastily scribbled notes here.
The trucker up in Oregon actually was closer to Portland than he was to Eugene, and he reported that the objects he saw disappeared suddenly from his sight.
Now, I don't know much about re-entering space junk, but it seems unusual to me that it would come into the atmosphere and then just disappear from sight.
Well, I was trying to put together the other comment.
The lady who said that something went out of formation and then got back into formation, I suppose the aerodynamics of something re-entering could cause it to seem to veer to off course and then veer back again.
I'm trying to put together in my mind how that could be.
And also the amount of time that we're talking about, a couple of minutes or so, suggests to me that some fragments of this, if it is indeed space junk, fragments should reach, some of them should reach ground level.
The other question I have is why the military, or rather the space command, didn't scorn people.
What I would like to do is to bring on Peter Davenport for whatever comments he may still have and for a bit of a discussion, because you were going to depose Peter Davenport.
Just one more cut from Auburn, California, but essentially it's the same.
One observation I make, Art, just very briefly here, is November 14th, 1997, when that alleged Russian booster re-entered over the Northwest, people reported that there were seven large objects, principal objects.
That is the same number that people are talking about tonight.
Whether there's any significance to that or not, for example, there could be seven major engines and fuel tanks that are the principal metallic objects in a proton booster, if that's what we're dealing with tonight.
But I did note the similar number between the two incidents, again, November 97 and the incident tonight.
To be out, a power out an hour and 20 minutes where I am, the entire valley is highly unusual.
The Northern Arizona outage at 9.30 is also of some interest.
At any rate, Peter, if you wouldn't mind, Peter Davenport, if you wouldn't mind, tell our audience why it is that Peter Gerston sought to have you subpoenaed, deposed, With regard to something that you know, tell us as much as you're able to why he wanted to talk to you.
And Peter contacted me in June of this year to confirm that these facts were correct.
I assured him they were.
I sent him an email.
And from that, he's expressed an interest in knowing who these people are in support of his case in federal court to press the government to come clean with the American people.
That in a nutshell is what is going on.
Peter might have some amendments to what I've said.
It's wonderful that you can be on the show tonight reporting to us, because other than that, where are we really going to hear the information as it's happening?
But with that said, the bottom line is causes against secrecy of any kind by anybody.
And there's secrecy surrounding this meeting that Peter had.
When we were approached by these people and they requested the meeting, one proviso they requested was that they did not want members of the press knocking on their door.
And they said, Peter, we would like to meet, but can we do it in such a fashion that you do not reveal who we are?
Well, I consented to that art.
I explained to them that we do handle privileged information probably on a daily basis with regard to not revealing personal information about the people who contact us without their express permission.
If we get their permission, of course, we give out name, telephone number, and so on, for example, for purposes of investigation.
At Peter's request, I went back to these people and I explained to them that Peter Gerson had a case in federal court.
He was very interested in talking to them or knowing who they were.
And I did consent to Peter's request to try to get them to go public or to contact Peter.
I've exchanged probably three or four emails with them, and they have declined to do that.
I brought a lawsuit against the Department of Defense involving these large flying triangles, and the government, the Department of Defense, replied that they have no information on this object.
And now Peter sits down and has coffee with some federal employees, possibly from the Department of Defense, who tells him three things, that number one, UFOs are real.
Number two, that they're under intelligent, some kind of intelligent control, which would mean not our control.
That's the implication I get.
And number three, that their agency is worried about this.
And I just have to sit with my hands tied behind my back because Peter made a promise to these two.
And the promise had to do with publicity.
Now, I'm not saying that they're going to get publicity, that I would put them in any kind of jeopardy or compromise their positions.
I want to talk to them.
That's what I want to do.
If They tell me they don't have any information concerning my particular lawsuit, goodbye.
Well, if they tell me that I can't reveal any of the information, but then what we talked about early in the program, possibly I can go indirectly and maybe speak to somebody else who can give me information.
All right, Peter Davenport, are they willing, do you think, to talk off the record as long as they're assured it's not going directly to the press or going to get to the press or anything else?
In other words, to pass on the information to Peter Gerston that he could follow through other avenues, not specifically the information they provide?
Why don't I allow you now to get off the line and go ahead and see if you can collect some more information for us and get us another report before we're off the air tonight?
Maybe I misunderstood what you said, but several moments ago, you said that in reference to the rocket booster, you said we, quote, we have to take their word for it, unquote.
Do you think what you saw, the Department of Defense, does not have information on, whether it's ours, whether it's somebody else's, whether it's something else's?
So they're lying.
In other words, the presumption now is that we don't believe what they tell us.
And we know for a fact, besides the DOD lawsuit, we know whenever there's a major event, there's cover stories.
And for every, almost every sighting, a major sighting, there's an explanation.
It has to be a cover story.
If only to give to the media so that the people who don't want to be alarmed will accept this explanation and go on their own way, nine to five, weekdays, weekends.
And they won't be bothered because the implication of what is going on in this reality is very alarming.
This whole thing is alarming to me, Peter, what we're going through right now, and how you're going to break through that barrier.
Describe the lawsuit that you filed, where you filed it, and so forth.
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Okay, but one other point about what we talked about with Peter Davenport.
What's frustrating, and what to a certain extent is ludicrous, is we have two federal employees who contact him and discuss whatever it is they discuss, telling him certain facts about the UFO phenomena.
They then tell him that they do not want him to reveal their identity or what affiliation.
But they can talk about what they are telling him.
In other words, he comes on national radio, a U.S. show, and he tells everything about it, right?
The conversation.
But then they don't want to go any further.
It's like a tease.
How can we verify the information?
Even witnesses in the grand jury, well, not in the grand jury on trial, are cross-examine us to their credibility.
Number one, how do we know they're telling us the truth?
How do we know where they know their information from?
And if, in fact, their concern, their agency is concerned and is truthful, then causes concern.
And that's the basis of this lawsuit.
We're concerned, but it's based on the evidence.
There is evidence of contact.
There is evidence that an aspect of this contact is threatening.
And it's the same type of evidence that we see in court.
When you lay out your case, that not only is there evidence of contact, but that the contact is threatening, how do you endeavor to establish that?
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Well, in two forms it takes, the threatening aspect.
The first, and it's interesting because in this type of lawsuit under Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution, there's only been one interpretation, one prior case, and that was where Arizona sued the United States under Article IV, Section 4.
And they wanted to be protected against the illegal aliens that were coming in from Mexico.
Isn't that synchronistic?
And the court, in looking over that section of the Constitution, said basically it applied only in cases of an armed hostility.
Okay, now if we can back up a couple of more points, the reason that I brought this lawsuit indirectly has to do with Dick Hoagland.
Dick Hoagland, I think last year sometime, had a discussion with me about bringing a lawsuit against NASA because of certain practices that NASA, certain rituals that they were involved in.
Of certain practices that NASA, certain rituals that they were involved in.
Yes.
And I thought about it, and I did a little research, and I spoke to him again.
I told him I couldn't find any basis, any legal basis where the government or NASA would be responsible unless we could show some kind of like if a person was fired, if a NASA employee was fired because he wouldn't go along with these rituals, then we can bring our lawsuit.
In other words, you would need a specific incidence of some sort.
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Some cause of action, some direct connection between NASA or the federal government and, you know, Richard, or you needed a plaintiff in the action.
So he said, oh, Peter, you're just not thinking creatively.
You should think, you broaden your horizons, come up with some novel approach.
Well, I thought about it, but I couldn't come up with any.
A little while later, I was getting these reports, and as you said, we send out newsletters every day, and in response to the newsletters, we get back personal contact experiences.
And people were sending in experiences about what, if committed by humans, conduct if committed by humans would be prosecuted.
People would be arrested and prosecuted and put on trial and then sentenced to incarceration if convicted.
The same type of conduct, abductions, sexual abuse, unlawful imprisonments, assaults, but for the fact that the perpetrators were described as non-human.
That's the only difference between a report that you give to the police that winds up on trial or this type of report.
The only difference was in the description of the perpetrator.
Now, of course, there were other differences, such as the act itself had a little high strangeness and so forth and so on.
But basically, they kept on coming in.
And we used to hear about these reports since Betty and Barney Hill's report.
And they haven't gone away.
And it's generational.
And it seems to transcend time even.
So how long do we have to ignore this?
And so after receiving these reports, I just decided, well, let me see if somehow I can bring a class action on behalf of all the abductees and we'll sue the federal government.
but i couldn't think of any basis of the federal government being responsible even if aliens were abducting uh...
Some media is beginning to say that it was a Russian booster.
I said, what choice do we have but to believe them?
And I stand by that in a way.
In other words, it might not be that, and or it might be that, but we only have one source of information.
And if that one source of information doesn't want to cough up the truth, how do we force them to do it, Peter?
I just, I don't think we can do it in court.
I don't see how.
You have to explain to me how this process really is going to break through a barrier they don't want broken.
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Well, by getting public attention, by getting the citizens of this country to stand up for their rights and the rights to be told the truth and a right not to be lied to.
And we have the resources.
We have the technology.
We don't have to depend on anybody else.
But unfortunately, the resources aren't directed in the right avenues.
Well, they're going to try to knock it out because of that.
And the only thing I can do is cite a similar type of right with shareholders in the corporation.
In other words, the corporation being the state and the shareholders being the citizens.
Now, if the board of directors, in other words, the governor, refuses to take action where action is due, the shareholders of the corporation have a right called a derivative right that allows them to bring the action in the name of the corporation.
So I'm just going to cite that law and hopefully it gets the judge to say, okay, I just want to say that.
I took Dick's advice and I thought creatively, and basically, I took a risk because I could be probably criticized for bringing this type of Case in court, but I'd rather take a risk than not do anything.
But then again, I'm almost hoping they do that because if they do that, then I can appeal that decision, and maybe then I can show it's not frivolous because I can show there's an evasion.
You see, the point is, if there's an evasion, then it's not frivolous.
But I might not be able to get to argue that unless they cite me and dismiss it because it's frivolous and fine.
Well, if you were right now required to show that there, in fact, is an invasion and therefore your lawsuit is not frivolous, if they began to require that, what would be your proffering?
What would you offer?
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Well, the main cases, I would think, is the evidence surrounding the crash that occurred in 1947 in Paradise Valley, Arizona.
You got Travis Walton's abduction.
You have the Phoenix Lights.
And you have the various other sightings in Arizona.
Now, of course, within that, you have the two aspects.
Number one, it's the abduction.
Number two, it's these unusual objects that are being seen in the skies almost on a monthly basis in Arizona.
A couple weeks ago, they saw the triangles again.
Arizona is a very interesting state as far as sightings are concerned.
So I can show that there are strange, unusual, what appear to be advanced, technologically advanced objects flying in the skies that haven't been identified, the triangles.
We have orbs coming into people's bedrooms and being scanned.
We have abductee reports.
Very unusual instances of contact in different forms.
Do you believe that eyewitness testimony, first-person testimony, would be sufficient to prove the case?
In other words, without physical hard evidence?
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Well, there's two aspects.
Number one, I have to make out a prima facie case so it isn't dismissed as a matter of law, but I don't think that's a problem.
It's a question for the jury, like anything else.
Credibility is a question for the jury.
If they believe the witnesses, then they believe the witnesses.
But that's just not eyewitness testimony.
You have expert testimony.
You have some leading UFO researchers in this field that would be qualified as an expert in a federal court, whether it's Dave Jacobs, whether it's Bud Hopkins.
I'm just naming a few without getting into their testimony, whether it's John Mack, whether it's some of the people, even some of the support groups, the people that put together and sponsor and lead the support, upduct the support groups, would, based on their practical experience, be able to come in and testify as an expert.
Suppose I were to tell you that I know from private knowledge that a couple of extremely high-level senatorial level representatives are aware of the situation and find it politically impossible to come forward.
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Well, of course.
There's such a close secrecy surrounding this.
I filed this lawsuit today.
Steve Bassett, Larry Bryant, some of the CORS members that are actually directly working with me, we all sent out press releases.
Matter of fact, I paid $250 today to an internet group to send out press releases just to make sure we covered all the bases between Bassett and Bryant and myself.
And I even asked CORS members who can download the press release on the website to send it to their local radio and TV stations and newspapers.
So we sent out thousands and thousands of notices.
There's even an AP and UPI reporter that's assigned to the federal court.
And if you want to see a website that has information on it, pages and pages of information on it, whether it's personal contact experiences, whether it's the court cases, whether it's crap circles, whether it's UFO sightings, whether it's Paranormal News Network, or whether it's The Ultimate Secret or Non-UFO Sunday, you've got to go to this website.
So everybody should go to that website first and sign up for the daily headlines.
We'll be right back.
northern Arizona suffered a power outage at about the same time I did, as well as at about 9:30, when these objects were seen.
Some media sources are reporting these objects as re-entering Russian booster parts that they thought would re-enter over the Pacific a couple of days from now, but surprise, surprise.
And just one little note.
You may recall hearing recently that the Mir space station was abandoned, and they say they think they will bring that down over the Pacific when the time comes.
But if you buy the Russian space parts business, then think about this.
If they thought these parts would come down in the Pacific and they didn't, then why are do we believe, how should we believe that Mir will come down over the Pacific and not over land?
In other words, if they can be wrong about this, they can be wrong about that.
Or would it be some kind of controlled re-entry?
But as far as I know, they have simply abandoned Mirror without ability to control its re-entry.
I could be wrong about that.
There's more news about the object tonight.
Once again, from Seattle, Washington, here's Peter Davenport.
Yeah, Art, the parts are beginning to fall into place here, and we've had three quick reports that strongly militate against the Russian booster theory.
Just in rapid sequence, we took a call from the vicinity of Elsinore, Utah.
A man and his wife were returning from a bow and arrow hunting session, and they had a group of lights come at them from the north, and they were acting very strangely.
We were coming back from the Deer Hunt to the Dartery Hunt season, her brother's hunting, and we were coming back home, and we seen, we thought it was a truck behind us because it was going up over a hill, and we thought a truck was behind us, and I turned to look behind, and there was just lights, you know, coming in a certain direction, but there was just like so many lights you couldn't even see because you're in Utah?
So what did the lights do and how did they act when you saw them?
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When we were driving down the road, there was this little ravine that just drops down like a big drop-off.
And we just seen all these lights, there was just a big glow.
And then finally, when they started to break up, you could tell, you could tell that there were single lights.
You could tell that there was just like more than one light because it just wasn't a big light.
And two, I don't know if there was two or three, we couldn't tell from the glare of my windshield, just went to the west, like over our truck and went down a hill, and then one just shot and did like a U-turn type thing over the hill.
We just took a report from a young woman in the Portland area who reported that at 9.30, she and her neighbors heard jet aircraft circling the area and landing at Port, I guess, Portland International Airport.
They saw F-15s flying at slow speed that apparently landed there.
Now, in addition to that, we just took a report not 10 minutes ago from a gentleman who lives in the vicinity of Portland, Oregon, and they were monitoring military frequencies with their scanners, he reports.
And he said that as late as midnight tonight, they were launching aircraft out of that area, and they were trying to get aircraft, he reported to me, launched out of Kingsley Field.
And as recently as 20 minutes ago, this couple in Elsinore, Utah saw objects go streaking over their heads.
So this clearly, if we can believe these reports, of course, eyewitness reports are not terribly reliable, but my impression is we're dealing with very reliable people, more or less reliable people from what I can tell.
And they're reporting that the incident apparently is continuing some roughly three and a half hours after it began.
People that don't believe in UFOs will believe Russian boosters, and the people that are familiar with what's going on in the skies will know that it's something other than a Russian booster.
And everybody go back to work 9 o'clock in the morning, come home 5 o'clock in the morning.
Yeah, I started working about 9.30 tonight, and at 9.20, I was on my way to work, and I stopped right at the end of the runway and just watched about 11 of them coming in.
So, you know, right now, when you consider everything that we've heard, what the press is saying, what Peter Davenport is saying, and what my witnesses are saying, like the fellow who has listened to These F-15s screaming over his head.
It could go either way, couldn't it?
It could be.
Actually, from what I've heard so far, in my mind, but maybe that's because of me, I tend more toward believing that we're being told a load of you know what here.
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Well, that seems obvious.
And a witness on the stand, if the witness is caught lying, the judge will instruct the jury when it gives its instructions on the law that if they believe that the witness lied on the stand, they can disregard the witness's entire testimony, even if they don't know whether he lied about the entire testimony, if they find he lied about one particular thing.
So, in other words, in any sort of trial, that generally would be true if a witness is a proven liar on the stand, then their entire testimony can be disregarded.
So basically, we have evidence that the POWs and authority have lied to us before on many occasions.
So there is no reason for us to believe they're telling us the truth when they tell us it's a rocket booster, especially when there's evidence to the contrary.
And we have eyewitness testimony to the contrary from different people in different parts of the country, whether it's U-turns, whether it's maneuverability, whether it's leaving the main group and doing something else, whether it's floating.
The evidence is overwhelming.
It's a major event that we're listening to that's taking place now over how many, three, four, five states, over a three-hour period of time involving the scrambling of military jets, possible power blackouts.
This is a major event.
This should be on the front pages of every single newspaper tomorrow.
Here's something for you to think about, because I'm thinking about it.
If I had not been prepared with significant emergency power backup, the event that just occurred would not have been reported on my show because there wouldn't have been a show.
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It's amazing how the universe works.
I think that this event is intentional.
Whatever these objects are, whatever this intelligence is, is very deliberate in what it does.
Usually at night, and they put on a show tonight.
This is a show for us, for the listeners that are listening.
Listen, a lot of people that I talk to, Peter, well, highly placed people, are telling me the same thing, that whoever they are and whatever they are, what they have been doing is demonstrating to us.
Just in very rapid sequence, a commercial pilot over Northern California flying out of Beale Air Force Base, he was at about 16,000 feet doing about 200 knots, and the objects were directly in front of him.
He turned his lights down.
They went over him.
He actually turned his aircraft to pursue them.
He reports that as they were going away from him, they were much more difficult to see.
Peter, I'm going to give you a second to put On your call, yeah, one second, and I'll come right back to you.
All right, go ahead.
He's got obvious calls coming in there by the Godzillion, so he's going to try to make an adjustment and come back to us so that that will not interrupt the reports.
Obviously, thousands of people at once are trying to get through.
A gentleman who lives very close to Kingsley Field said that he has heard no activity out of there tonight.
Also, I just received a call from Gerald Rowls, the state director for MUFON in the state of Washington.
He contacted some of his military friends in eastern Washington.
Apparently, no activity there.
However, I have an audio cut here that I'd like to play.
This comes from a young girl in Richfield, Utah, if I have this tape properly cued.
She saw a distinct ball of light come across the mountain, viewed from her vantage point in Richfield.
It stopped, visibly stopped for an estimated two to three seconds, and then blew into four parts, which went streaking off across the horizon, according to her.
So I believe if we can believe these preliminary reports that we're dealing with something other than just a simple re-entry of space junk, there are too many reports of objects stopping, turning, doing U-turns, and so on.
And she has a beautiful house on the side of a hill, and we went out on the back deck because I'm an amateur astronomer and I spend most of my evenings looking up at the sky and listening to you.
And I looked off to the north, something caught my eye, and it was heading in moving in an easterly direction.
And I said, Jerry, look, what is that?
And what we both saw were three objects.
I had to just really concentrate.
I thought, is some light moving on a cloud?
But it was three formations moving to the east, perfectly in unison.
It wasn't anything with blinking lights or flashing, just three.
All I can describe it is like the shape of a tadpole, kind of round but with a long tail.
When I was driving home, I was listening to you, and if I wasn't mistaken, I heard somebody call from Novato recording something, and that's probably just a mile from where she lives.
And look up in the sky, and in the western sky, we saw three objects, one larger one in front, two smaller one behind, and it crossed all the way across the sky until we couldn't see it in the eastern sky.
My friend, who was standing beside me, said he saw a part break off of the lead object.
I did not see it, however, as there were many lights in the parking lot.
To give you an idea of that, I had time to walk across the parking lot and ask another group of people if they saw the same thing and get back before it disappeared.
Now, these objects are interesting, and I don't remember similar types of reports.
Peter Davenport indicated that they are similar to other reports, but if these were flying triangles, there'd be no question that these weren't rocket boosters.
So I don't know what these objects are, but they are definitely worth further inquiry.
No, so basically, the best way to do it is through the website.
But also, for the people that, your listeners that do not have access to the internet, they can subscribe to my offline newsletter called Cause and Effect, which is the highlights of what I write about online.
What do you think we'll hear when we wake up tomorrow about what happened tonight?
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I don't know.
I don't know what the universe has planned for us.
Possibly something pretty interesting.
You have to remember, the Phoenix Liance, even though that occurred on March 13th of 97, it really didn't get full publicity until, what, three, four, five months later when USA Today did a story, a front-page story on it.
And then all of a sudden, you would think it happened yesterday.
Also, what's interesting is two weeks ago, or last week, all of a sudden, an English newspaper did a story on a CIA report that was released at least, I think, in 1997 also.
And that was played up as if it was released the other day.
So that got a lot of attention.
So who knows what the media's reasons are for, you know.
All right, I want to read a couple of things, get your reaction, gentlemen.
And this is a supposed press release from the Public Relations Office of Edwards Air Force Base at California.
It may be a hoax, but let me read it to you.
Tonight, at about 2155 hours Pacific, aircraft from Edwards Air Force Base in California were scrambled in response to multiple radar images moving in a southerly direction from the central California area toward Edwards at plus Mach 5 speeds.
Two USAF F-15 interceptors climbed to about 48,000 feet and did make radar contact but were unable to confirm visual contact due to deteriorating weather conditions.
Two more aircraft were scrambled from Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada when it was determined that the radar images were moving south toward the Arizona-Mexico border.
Two F-16 tactical fighters also climbed to intercept altitude at about 50,000 feet, but were unable to make either radar or visual contact.
All aircraft have now returned to their respective bases of operation.
That's one item.
Next, Art, I'm a deputy sheriff in central Oregon.
We got reports of an airplane going down in flames at, you guessed it, 2131 hours.
My sergeant saw the same thing at the same time, described it to me in great detail, headed southeast, got real bright, a piece fell away, and then the main part continued on, but dimmer.
He was outside looking up as it went out of sight.
It was about the size of a satellite in a starry sky.
That's the last image he saw.
The first report, he says, said it took about 45 seconds to cross out of sight with the same heading, southeast.
All right, I'm going back out to study the skies.
And on and on and on it goes.
Here's somebody reporting from, let me see, Seattle, no, Portland, saying indeed he too is observing F-15s scrambling.
That was about 11.30 p.m.
And here's something from my affiliate in Santa Cruz, KSEO, AM 1080 in Santa Cruz.
It says local radio talk show host Dave Allen, the Nighthawk, has had his board go haywire shortly after 9.30 p.m.
So as whatever it was passed overhead, the board, the operational board of our affiliate in Santa Cruz went berserk.
Yeah, that's a pretty unusual Russian booster that can knock out somebody's board in Santa Cruz when the objects are over Northern California and Oregon and Utah and perhaps Arizona.
I'm intrigued by the news release by Edwards Air Force Base.
They're, for all intents and purposes, admitting that this was not a Soviet Russian rocket.
Yeah, we don't know, but if somebody could report what the weather conditions are like near Edwards or in the environs down there, that would be a big help.
Two things I can add to that, Art, if I may.
Got a report about a half an hour ago from a gentleman who is sleeping in his truck at a major fueling center on I-5 in the vicinity of Portland International Airport.
He says, I believe he said he used to serve on a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier.
And he said what he saw, what he heard going out of Portland tonight took him back to his days on that aircraft carrier.
He counted, I believe he said, seven sorties going out between 9.30 and 10.30 tonight.
So if they were still launching F-15s out of Portland at 10.30, approximately, that's a long time for a Russian booster to be in the atmosphere.
And a very bright, very distinguishable round ball of light came across the top of the mountain, stopped at the very top of the mountain for about two to three seconds, and then broke off into four different distinguishable lights and went up, down, straight across, and just like went in several different directions.
The very least it seems we could do is to file FOIA reports about what they got on radar or didn't get, what they scrambled, what assets they put in the air, and for what reason, couldn't we?
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Well, I'm going to see Peter Davenport this weekend at the Bay Area UFO Expo in San Mateo, and I think we're going to sit down and coordinate this.
And he's going to provide his reports, and we're going to submit certain FOA requests.
Peter, in other words, could you make that specific request since you knew what time it was and you knew what assets were used, would they have to answer that?
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Oh, yeah.
Basically, I did a request for the Phoenix lights on behalf of Skywatch International, and they came back, they had no reports, that they hadn't scrambled any jets, and they had no information.
So we're going to do the same thing, and either they can say the same thing, or they can tell us what the truth is.
Well, some of the rest of this, though, like the sheriff who just sent me a fax, is definitely legit.
The report from my affiliate in Santa Cruz, AM1080, KSEO, that's definitely legit stuff.
I've confirmed all this.
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Well, there's no question that something was being seen, and it seems to what from anywhere from three to seven different objects over many hours, over several states.
I think it's amazing that there were coincidentally power blackouts and misfunctions, malfunctions of what, computers or switchboards, or whatever it was in Seattle.
The only thing I can think of what's going on out there at Portland Air Force Base, or Portland, is they're having probably an ORI or something like that as they're doing their night training.
Yeah, I just wanted to mention several months ago, my brother, who lives in Sacramento, his whole family were eating supper, and they saw a UFO in the north part of the sky.